The Batman (2022) a review

<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast from Minute Media.
<v Speaker 2>I'm Vengeance. Who's me?
<v Speaker 3>All right?
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back here we are, Jason. I have a very
<v Speaker 2>special present for you, all right, what is it? Yesterday
<v Speaker 2>I bought us tickets to see The Batman.
<v Speaker 3>The Batman on March first. We're gonna be watching The Batman.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but if you were waiting till Friday to watch it,
<v Speaker 2>definitely listen to this podcast. There will be spoilers at
<v Speaker 2>the end, but we will give you fair one.
<v Speaker 3>We've got some cool research for you to prep you
<v Speaker 3>for this movie. Yes, okay, what do you got for Usty?
<v Speaker 2>All right? So our story begins with the end of
<v Speaker 2>one of the worst movies I've ever seen, which is well,
<v Speaker 2>I can't even believe it. That does Rise of Skywalker
<v Speaker 2>have to do with the No, that's your hated movie.
<v Speaker 2>The one that I despise is the Joss Whedon Justice League.
<v Speaker 2>I hated it from minute one. Tried my best throughout
<v Speaker 2>the movie to love it, and I didn't. But still,
<v Speaker 2>despite all that, I waited around for the end credits scene.
<v Speaker 2>And the end credits scene has a character that you
<v Speaker 2>may or may not know. Driving up to this yacht
<v Speaker 2>you said you had something I'd want. You better not
<v Speaker 2>be wasting my time death stroke.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, So.
<v Speaker 2>Ben Affleck had in Batman in the previous two movies.
<v Speaker 2>He's been in Batman Versus Superman or Superman versus Batman,
<v Speaker 2>whatever that one was. And the plan was that Ben
<v Speaker 2>Affleck was going to write a script for the next
<v Speaker 2>Batman movie.
<v Speaker 3>Ben Affleck and Jeff John's comic book Superstar Jeff Johns,
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna write the next movie. I actually told you
<v Speaker 3>that I had forgotten that Ben Affleck had even played Batman.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was forgettable. It was very forgettable. I love
<v Speaker 2>Ben Affleck and a lot of stuff, but his Batman
<v Speaker 2>was not one that was super memorable. Right, Why did
<v Speaker 2>you say.
<v Speaker 3>The name or the I didn't forget that much, I guess.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I actually kind of enjoyed the Batman Versus Superman movie.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like that to kill people in it, but
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't I didn't hate it as much as a
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of other folks did.
<v Speaker 3>I felt like that one was rushed. They tried to
<v Speaker 3>do too much in the course of one movie.
<v Speaker 2>So what we've learned and going through these Batman and times,
<v Speaker 2>is that the Batman goes up and down. But as
<v Speaker 2>we mentioned in our previous episode, Michael Uslan wanted people
<v Speaker 2>to know what the real Batman was like. He put
<v Speaker 2>together a film company called bat Film's Ink, and ultimately
<v Speaker 2>they are the ones that produced Batman eighty nine, which
<v Speaker 2>took Batman back to the dark one.
<v Speaker 3>It was quick. We both love Batman eighty nine, yes,
<v Speaker 3>and then they started to slide.
<v Speaker 2>A little bit. Batman returns not nearly as good, not
<v Speaker 2>half as good, and then Tim Burton stepped away and
<v Speaker 2>we got Joel Schumacher and Nipples.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Batman Forever had its moments, and then we got
<v Speaker 3>Batman and Robin, which was horrendous.
<v Speaker 2>So what we've learned is then when we get to
<v Speaker 2>that camp again, what's destined to happen? Will we get
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Nolan involved and it goes back to the dark again,
<v Speaker 2>and we've got reality and realistic and Heath Ledger is
<v Speaker 2>Joker and it is fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>You complean me.
<v Speaker 2>And then Zack Snyder get involved and I love a
<v Speaker 2>lot of what he does, but he had some trouble.
<v Speaker 2>Josh Whedon took over and by the time we've gotten
<v Speaker 2>our last appearance of Batman once again. It's writing, not good,
<v Speaker 2>just kind of a misfire with those big missfire. So
<v Speaker 2>Ben Affleck has written a script, yes, and then he's
<v Speaker 2>going through some troubles.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes he is.
<v Speaker 2>And while that script is out there, they're looking for
<v Speaker 2>a director and they hand it to a young director
<v Speaker 2>named Matt Reeves.
<v Speaker 3>Well, before we get to Matt Reeves, let's talk about
<v Speaker 3>ben Affleck's struggles.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, go ahead.
<v Speaker 3>I just feel like this is a part of the story.
<v Speaker 3>Ben Afflack was going to he wrote the screenplay. Sorry,
<v Speaker 3>ben Fleck was He had written the screenplay with Jeff Johnson. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>he was going to star as Bruce Wayne and Batman
<v Speaker 3>and he was going to direct. That's a lot, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and it's really a lot. When you're going through a divorce,
<v Speaker 3>you're an alcoholic, you have to go to rehab and
<v Speaker 3>you're sick of the character. Yeah, I mean, he just
<v Speaker 3>he ran out of steam, couldn't do it, had personal problems,
<v Speaker 3>had to back away.
<v Speaker 2>So Matt Reeves gets Ben AFFLECKX script. He's been shooting
<v Speaker 2>some other movies that we'll talk about in a minute,
<v Speaker 2>and when he looks at it, he's like, this is great.
<v Speaker 2>But it's not for me, right. This Ben Affleck script
<v Speaker 2>was a James Bond style Batman.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, James Bond's style, and he's going to face death stroke,
<v Speaker 3>you know. And and I'd read that the joker, like
<v Speaker 3>Jared Leto from Suicide Squad, the Batman movie was going
<v Speaker 3>to be like the Game About like Fincher. So it
<v Speaker 3>had some good things, I think, but it just wasn't
<v Speaker 3>matt Reeves the script right.
<v Speaker 2>And then with ben Affleck going through the troubles that
<v Speaker 2>he's going through, he ultimately decides to pull out of
<v Speaker 2>the picture. Yeah, and so one of her brothers calls
<v Speaker 2>matt Reeves back up. Before we get there, let's talk
<v Speaker 2>about Matt Reeves. I want you to do me a favorite.
<v Speaker 4>I want you to tell all your friends about me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who is this guy?
<v Speaker 2>Who is this guy? Well, well, this guy is a
<v Speaker 2>guy who's been friends with JJ Abrams since they were
<v Speaker 2>thirteen years old. JJ Abrams, if you don't know, did
<v Speaker 2>the Star Trek reboots. He did Force Awakens and you're
<v Speaker 2>most hated Star Wars movie. But he's not. He's not
<v Speaker 2>an insignificant character. I mean he's huge.
<v Speaker 3>He rebooted the Star Wars and Star Trek franchises. You
<v Speaker 3>don't get that by being a no hotellent hacker.
<v Speaker 2>I know. I mean, and he did Super eight, which
<v Speaker 2>is a great movie. He's done a bunch of really
<v Speaker 2>fantastic stuff. I don't want to only look at the
<v Speaker 2>stuff that we're unhappy with. He is an amazing director.
<v Speaker 2>But he and Matt Reeves met when they were thirteen.
<v Speaker 2>Just a few years later, this is so bizarre. A
<v Speaker 2>few years later, they get a job from Steven Spielberg
<v Speaker 2>taking his Super eight movies and moving them to VHS.
<v Speaker 2>How does that happen? Well, they had been making short
<v Speaker 2>films themselves. I guess that's what with the glue of
<v Speaker 2>their relationship. Was like, hey I want to make movies.
<v Speaker 2>Hey me too, So make short films and would come
<v Speaker 2>out on public access TV on the Z channel.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if Spielberg was watching the Z Channel.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the deal was. But somehow Spielberg
<v Speaker 2>knows about these two kids and hires them, and they
<v Speaker 2>met Kathleen Kennedy. I mean, how does what right? So
<v Speaker 2>he hires these two kids to move his Super eight
<v Speaker 2>stuff to VHS. They both are like, well, now we know,
<v Speaker 2>our destiny is to make movies, right, Yeah, and so
<v Speaker 2>he ends up going to USC as a screenwriting student.
<v Speaker 3>Actually, you know, before we go too much further with
<v Speaker 3>Matt Reeves, yeah, you know, Warner Brothers had a list
<v Speaker 3>of directors that they were interested in kicking this too.
<v Speaker 3>We're talking big boys like Ridley Scott and George Miller
<v Speaker 3>and Vennis Villa Nueva. So Warner Brothers was talking to
<v Speaker 3>other big name directors to take over the Batman franchise. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I mean you've got guys like Matt Ross, Gavin O'Connor,
<v Speaker 3>but I mean George Miller, Ridley Scott.
<v Speaker 2>Ridley Scott, that would have been an interesting Batman.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So and once again they go with kind of
<v Speaker 3>the unknown guy, much like Tim Burdon and Christopher Nolan.
<v Speaker 2>Right right, Well, Matt Reeves is a little bit more
<v Speaker 2>known than they were. It's just that maybe not everybody
<v Speaker 2>else in the world knows, but he had done some
<v Speaker 2>amazing stuff. Okay, Okay, So he goes to USC where
<v Speaker 2>he's a screenwriting student for the writer Jeff Loeb who
<v Speaker 2>wrote like the Lost series. He's I mean renowned guy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>He ends up making a student film called Mister Petrified's Forest,
<v Speaker 2>which is an award winning student film that he's made,
<v Speaker 2>which because it wins awards, he gets himself an agent.
<v Speaker 2>He decides to write this script that he's like, Okay, well,
<v Speaker 2>what's the first kind of movie I want to make? And,
<v Speaker 2>like you and me, he loves Diehard, so he's like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make a Diehard style movie. And he
<v Speaker 2>writes the script and the agent sells it, and it
<v Speaker 2>takes a long time before it ultimately hits the screen,
<v Speaker 2>and there weren't like people interested for the longest time.
<v Speaker 2>And finally when they're like, hey, we finally sold your script,
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh great, who's going to star? And they're like,
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be Steven Seagal, it's going to be
<v Speaker 2>under Siege too, Dark Territory.
<v Speaker 3>Oh.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I didn't write that movie. And they're like, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you did it. You did yeah, And so what you
<v Speaker 2>get probably is nothing like the script that he wrote.
<v Speaker 2>But that's it was that weird. It's a weird IMDb
<v Speaker 2>technicality here. He is the screenwriter for under Siege to
<v Speaker 2>Dark Territory.
<v Speaker 3>Now I have seen I saw under Siege Too. In
<v Speaker 3>the theater. Oh my w because I was such a
<v Speaker 3>big Under Siege fan.
<v Speaker 2>So he ends up directing a couple of movies. His
<v Speaker 2>debut movie is called Future Shock, which came out in
<v Speaker 2>ninety four, and it looks not good. I haven't seen it,
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't look like a good movie.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>The next one is nineteen ninety six and it stars
<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth Paltrow ninety six, that's her primetime, Sure, David Schwimmer,
<v Speaker 2>who's in the middle of friends at this point, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>prime time. The movie's called The pall Bearer. It was
<v Speaker 2>not a well received movie.
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember this one.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's a fair He's done two movies and
<v Speaker 2>neither one of them are very good, so it's not
<v Speaker 2>looking to promise him. For him, he goes back to
<v Speaker 2>his friend JJ. They start working on a movie idea,
<v Speaker 2>which ultimately becomes a TV show called Felicity.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah okay, Now Felicity was some success, right, Sure is
<v Speaker 5>that Carrie Russell and Felicity? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, yeah
<v Speaker 5>yeah yeah, And so he ends up doing this was
<v Speaker 5>ninety eight.
<v Speaker 2>He ends up doing TV for the next ten years,
<v Speaker 2>like he's the TV guy. He does all kinds of
<v Speaker 2>different TV shows, but not doing any big directing until
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight, and he comes out with this
<v Speaker 2>low budget horror movie produced by his friend JJ Abrams
<v Speaker 2>called Cloverfield and it is a huge success. Then he
<v Speaker 2>writes directs a remake of a Swedish film called Let
<v Speaker 2>the Right One in that he titles let Me In.
<v Speaker 2>And then he gets t have to do Twilight, which
<v Speaker 2>is how he no, wait, it's the twilight Zone, Twilight Zone,
<v Speaker 2>no different Twilight Twilight Zone. He gets they are going
<v Speaker 2>to rebooth the Twilight Zone. He signs on, but then
<v Speaker 2>they make him an offer he can't refuse. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>Matt Reeves loved two things when he was a kid,
<v Speaker 2>The Planet of the Apes Yeah, and Batman comic books.
<v Speaker 5>Kill.
<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and twelve, he gets on offer to
<v Speaker 2>direct the new Planet of the Apes movies. There have
<v Speaker 2>already been two that have come out. The first one directed.
<v Speaker 3>By Tim Burton.
<v Speaker 2>Tim Burton, right, not a big success, right, second one
<v Speaker 2>is slightly more successful, but they think, Okay, we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>keep going, We're gonna build, and so they tap him
<v Speaker 2>to do Dawn of Planet of the v Ape, which
<v Speaker 2>comes out in twenty fourteen, much bigger success, and then
<v Speaker 2>War for the Planet of the Apes, which came out
<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen. So this guy who is unsuccessful as
<v Speaker 2>a movie director falls into TV, happens to get back
<v Speaker 2>into the movies a little bit at a time, and
<v Speaker 2>ultimately becomes someone that Warner Brothers is now seeking out
<v Speaker 2>to direct their new reboot of Batman.
<v Speaker 3>I've seen those two Planet of Day movies. They're pretty
<v Speaker 3>darn good.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're really good. I'm neither one of us are
<v Speaker 2>CGI fans. They do a really good job with the
<v Speaker 2>CGI on this. It's still not my favorite, but it's
<v Speaker 2>I mean, as far as it goes, it's good. And
<v Speaker 2>you've got Andy Serkis as the Ape, and so the
<v Speaker 2>acting is on point.
<v Speaker 3>Andy Serkis plays Caesar, He's the main character in the Batman.
<v Speaker 3>You know who's playing Alfred?
<v Speaker 2>Right Andy Serkis, Yes, a friend of yours. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>so sure. So Matt Reeves gets Ben Afflecks and he
<v Speaker 2>looks at it and he's like, this is awesome, but
<v Speaker 2>this is not my Batman, right. I mean, this will
<v Speaker 2>be a great movie, and whoever makes it, it's going
<v Speaker 2>to be fantastic. But I have a different idea for
<v Speaker 2>Batman altogether. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And as a Batman fan, he's like, Okay, I want
<v Speaker 3>to go back to like Batman The Long Halloween or
<v Speaker 3>Batman Year one or Batman ego. And being a comic
<v Speaker 3>book fan, I've read The Long Halloween and you're one.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, They're awesome. Yeah, And we mentioned that those were
<v Speaker 2>also the comic books that inspired The Dark Knight.
<v Speaker 3>He also took the style from the nineteen seventies uh
<v Speaker 3>huh movies like The French Connection and Clute and Chinatown
<v Speaker 3>and Taxi Driver and The Conversation Francis Ford Coppola and
<v Speaker 3>All the Presidents Man and like Hitchcock and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>If you've watched the trailer, I mentioned this to you.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this looks very much like a David
<v Speaker 2>Fincher movie to me, right right, there's all kinds of rain.
<v Speaker 2>We've got what appears to be a serial killer leaving
<v Speaker 2>these little clues I mean screams David Fincher, right, sure,
<v Speaker 2>And so you've got seventies movies style, you've got the
<v Speaker 2>David Fincher serial killer style yep. And then the other,
<v Speaker 2>I mean the other thing to throw into the pot
<v Speaker 2>of the mix, he's Kirk Cobain from your Secret Friend.
<v Speaker 3>I know that this is incredible. So we discussed last
<v Speaker 3>episode that in the trailer they're playing really low something
<v Speaker 3>in the Way off of Nirvana's never Mind, right, And
<v Speaker 3>he played that on loop while he was writing the
<v Speaker 3>scripts exactly. And so his idea was to make Bruce
<v Speaker 3>Wayne rather than playboy billionaire stud to make him a reclusive,
<v Speaker 3>dark rockstar Kirk Cobain.
<v Speaker 2>Right, maybe drug addict, right, like his millions of dollars
<v Speaker 2>are meaningless to him. And if you've seen the documentary
<v Speaker 2>that Gus van Zandt did on Kirk Cobain called Last Days,
<v Speaker 2>he said that was a big inspiration for him as
<v Speaker 2>he was making this film. As a matter of fact,
<v Speaker 2>in Last Days, you'll see these amps that are just
<v Speaker 2>stacked up in a corner. Keep an eye out for
<v Speaker 2>those in the Batman. So he's listening to Something in
<v Speaker 2>the Way, and he is referencing all of these Fincher
<v Speaker 2>movies and all of these seventy movies, and that's how
<v Speaker 2>he comes up with the storyline. But also something else
<v Speaker 2>that he sees in this time period is a movie
<v Speaker 2>called Good Time. It's a movie that came out in
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, starring an actor that has been doing stuff
<v Speaker 2>for twenty years. Okay, his name is Robert Pattinson.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Now I say he's been doing stuff for twenty years
<v Speaker 2>because for a whole lot of people, when they heard
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to be the new Batman, they said,
<v Speaker 2>the Twilight guy. Right, Okay, he's done some other stuff
<v Speaker 2>since then. What he did, I mean, he was he's
<v Speaker 2>a very handsome man. Right, there's no question he's a
<v Speaker 2>handsome guy. He was playing those handsome guy parts. But
<v Speaker 2>what he said is, I don't want to be that guy.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be that actor. Much like Keith Ledger.
<v Speaker 2>He was like, I want to find movies that mean
<v Speaker 2>something to me and when I'm hungry enough to do
<v Speaker 2>those movies. And so he's been in a ton of
<v Speaker 2>indie movies and when I heard Good Time was the
<v Speaker 2>thing that triggered Matt Reeves to go, Okay, I want
<v Speaker 2>this guy as my Batman, and he wrote the whole
<v Speaker 2>thing with him in mind. I watched it. I watched
<v Speaker 2>it today. I've watched three quarters of the movie today
<v Speaker 2>and it is awesome. I encourage everybody who's skeptical about
<v Speaker 2>Robert Pattinson to go check out Good Time before you
<v Speaker 2>watch The Batman, because he's got shops. He is a
<v Speaker 2>solid actor and not just a pretty boy a pretty
<v Speaker 2>vampire who twinkles in the summer.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we talked about that in our previous episodes that
<v Speaker 3>you know, people freaked out when Michael Keaton got the
<v Speaker 3>part of Batman. Yeah, I mean that's mister mom and Beetlejuice, right,
<v Speaker 3>And when Heath Ledger mister broke Back Mountain, he's joker.
<v Speaker 3>People freaked out about that and people hit the ceiling
<v Speaker 3>when Robert Pattinsons got this role. Let's see how he
<v Speaker 3>does guys. Yeah, when you're talking about Matt Reeves and
<v Speaker 3>when he's writing this screenplay, he's thinking about the bad guy. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>so we've talked about him being influenced by seventies movies.
<v Speaker 3>He is influenced by Fincher. We both talked about how
<v Speaker 3>this looks just like seven, but another Fincher movie is Zodiac.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The one time that you see the Riddler, not
<v Speaker 2>as you know, just the guy in the coffee shop
<v Speaker 2>where he's actually got some sort of costume on the
<v Speaker 2>costume looks nothing like Jim Carrey. It looks nothing like
<v Speaker 2>the sixty four Riddler with the green suit and the
<v Speaker 2>question marks. It looks like the Zodiac Killer from Zodiac
<v Speaker 2>by David Fincher. And just like in Zodiac, he's sending
<v Speaker 2>out these cipher messages that you have to solve the
<v Speaker 2>riddle in order to figure out who's involved in the crime.
<v Speaker 2>Right and seven, same style. And I'll say this, go
<v Speaker 2>watch that trailer. Go watch the trailer that begins with
<v Speaker 2>the dark, rainy street and the neon bar and the
<v Speaker 2>police are coming in. Edward n Ashton, aka the Riddler.
<v Speaker 2>You never see his face. He's just sitting there having
<v Speaker 2>a cup of coffee and he slowly raises his hands.
<v Speaker 2>This guy's giving himself up, just like John Doe and seven,
<v Speaker 2>just like the Joker in the Dark Night. This has
<v Speaker 2>got to be part of a plan. I'm so excited
<v Speaker 2>to see what they're going to do with this serial
<v Speaker 2>killer Riddler giving himself up. Cipher's Year two. This is
<v Speaker 2>what we're taking on is year two where the Batman
<v Speaker 2>is troubled and doesn't know how to do things right yet.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you look at year one, he's messing stuff
<v Speaker 2>up he's getting people killed. He's walking around without the
<v Speaker 2>batsuit on, like in the Red Light District, which is
<v Speaker 2>how he meets Selena Kyle. I mean, this is some dark,
<v Speaker 2>gritty stuff. But also if you watch the trailer, you
<v Speaker 2>get lots of action, so hopefully Matt Reeves said, I
<v Speaker 2>want deep art film style, but I don't want to
<v Speaker 2>lose the action, and that's how we're going to get
<v Speaker 2>the muscle car busting through the flames. Got so, I
<v Speaker 2>got so.
<v Speaker 3>I do think there's gonna be a lot of action.
<v Speaker 3>I do think. I do agree with you. It's Barry
<v Speaker 3>Fincher esque. But I've read that they're going to really
<v Speaker 3>emphasize his detective skills. Okay, remember we talked about in
<v Speaker 3>Batman eighty nine where he's like, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 3>he's like, it's Harris brain deodorant.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait, what how do you know you figured that out?
<v Speaker 3>So it's a whole bunch of noir and detective skills
<v Speaker 3>and serial killer.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Matt Reeves was reading Mind Hunter by John Douglas. Have
<v Speaker 3>you ever read that book? No, I have read that book.
<v Speaker 3>It's fascinating and disturbing. John Douglas is who the Scott Glenn,
<v Speaker 3>character in Silence of the Lambs is based on he
<v Speaker 3>wrote a book like compiling all of the serial killers
<v Speaker 3>and what their emos were and how they worked.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we talked about how Matt Reeves was a
<v Speaker 2>Batman fan, yes, And we talked about how Year one
<v Speaker 2>is a major influence on this, right, sure, And we
<v Speaker 2>talked about how Taxi Driver is a major influence on this.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>So there's a frame in Year one that when Matt
<v Speaker 2>Reeves was reading and he was like, Batman looks like
<v Speaker 2>the taxi driver in this one. That's what he looks like. Well,
<v Speaker 2>a while later he got the commemorative edition of Year one,
<v Speaker 2>which had basically like liner notes in the back of it,
<v Speaker 2>and one of them was a note from Frank Miller
<v Speaker 2>to David Mazaicelli, who's the artist on it, and his
<v Speaker 2>note is I want Batman to look like he's won
<v Speaker 2>a Taxi Driver lookalike contest. So they are literally on
<v Speaker 2>the same page.
<v Speaker 3>Taxi Driver starring Roberts de Niro. We were going to
<v Speaker 3>talk about the Godfather and Godfather too here next week. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and it's going to be amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Who the hell so you talking talking to me. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I'm the only one here. Let's talk about let's start.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about casting now, Okay, So first, I think
<v Speaker 2>and foremost, let's talk Robert Pattinson. Right, Sure. So when
<v Speaker 2>Robert Pattenson gets the offer to come audition for The Batman,
<v Speaker 2>he's in the middle of filming a movie called Tenant
<v Speaker 2>with Christopher Nolan. I know this is fascinating, right, and
<v Speaker 2>so he has to lie to Christopher Nolan and say,
<v Speaker 2>I can't be there today. I have a family emergency.
<v Speaker 2>But Christopher Nolan, I mean, he's in touch with all
<v Speaker 2>things WB and the Batman. So his immediate response is,
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna go audition for the Batman, aren't.
<v Speaker 3>That's great?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, yeah. So when he does his audition, he
<v Speaker 2>wears Val Kilmer's suit, which Christian Bale also wore, veil
<v Speaker 2>flower suit, and they did his screen test, right, So,
<v Speaker 2>as we mentioned that.
<v Speaker 3>Would did not have nipples as far as I can remember.
<v Speaker 2>So, as we mentioned, he Matt Reeves had him in
<v Speaker 2>mind after seeing Good Time, right, and so he's been
<v Speaker 2>the image the whole time. But when he first he's like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if he's interested. You know, he's
<v Speaker 2>doing these indie art films. I don't know that he's
<v Speaker 2>going to be wanting to do a big superhero movie, right.
<v Speaker 2>And he talks to Robert, and Robert Pattinson is also
<v Speaker 2>a Batman fan. Bigo, all the lights clicking. That's great, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so let's talk cast. Okay. When you go to IMDb,
<v Speaker 2>the first personalist, very first person number one is an
<v Speaker 2>actor named Barry Keegan who's been in Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>and his character is Stanley Markle. I had to look
<v Speaker 2>up Stanley Markle. Stanley Markle was apparently a partner of
<v Speaker 2>James Gordon's when he first got started. I think he
<v Speaker 2>ends up later getting killed by the Hangman. He has
<v Speaker 2>relatives that are criminals, so I don't know how he's
<v Speaker 2>going to play into all of this. It's just weird
<v Speaker 2>to me that this guy, who we've not seen a
<v Speaker 2>bit of him in any of the trailers is the
<v Speaker 2>number one guy on IMDb. Okay, number two, you get
<v Speaker 2>Robert Pattinson. That makes sense. And then we've got Zoe Kravitz,
<v Speaker 2>Selena Kyle, the cat one.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know who Zoe Kravitz's parents are? Yes, So
<v Speaker 3>I remember when she was born. That's how old I am. Right,
<v Speaker 3>Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet right from The Cosby Show, right,
<v Speaker 3>had a girl, Zoe Kravitz, and now she's freaking.
<v Speaker 2>Catwoman right, which it's too long a connection, But Aquaman
<v Speaker 2>and Lisa Bonet just broke up, not too long. Very
<v Speaker 2>important to Matt Reeves that we not have anybody who
<v Speaker 2>can talk to fish. Please know So Zoe Kravitz, I'm
<v Speaker 2>watching a series right now called Big Little Liars. She
<v Speaker 2>plays a part of that one. She's really good.
<v Speaker 3>She looks like a great cat one.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, So then we have as Edward Nashtin Slash
<v Speaker 2>the Riddler, Paul Dano. I'm just the truth about this.
<v Speaker 2>Paul Dano is one of them. I really enjoy his stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I hated There Will Be Blood. Everybody else loved it.
<v Speaker 2>I hated it, but there's no question he did a
<v Speaker 2>fantastic job with that movie. He was also in Little
<v Speaker 2>Miss Sunshine. He was in Swiss Army Man with Daniel Radcliffe,
<v Speaker 2>and he was in Love and Mercy where he played
<v Speaker 2>a young Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys. Also great.
<v Speaker 2>I'm super excited to see what he does with this
<v Speaker 2>serial killer style Riverler.
<v Speaker 3>Ye any ill feelings about him not being mister e
<v Speaker 3>Nigma Edward Edward Enigma, No me either, me either.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We have a guy who you're not going to
<v Speaker 2>recognize in the trailer, Oswald Cobblepot slash Penguin.
<v Speaker 3>This is fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>This blew my mind. When I saw his picture on IMD,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, who is he? He's he's what?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>The fat gangster looking guy that you see in the
<v Speaker 2>trailer is played by Colin Ferrell. What I know. That's nuts.
<v Speaker 2>Colin Ferrell.
<v Speaker 3>Colin Ferrell who has been in He was in the
<v Speaker 3>remake of Friday Night, he was in the remake of
<v Speaker 3>Total Recall. He's been in a lot of stuff. He's
<v Speaker 3>a great looking dude. He based his character Oswald Cobblepot
<v Speaker 3>on Fredo Corleone from The Godfather. Oh wow, he's a gangster,
<v Speaker 3>you know, a member of the mob, but he's sort
<v Speaker 3>of kicked aside and unappreciated.
<v Speaker 5>I'm smart, like everybody says, like Dumb's set.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic. That makes so much sense because you see
<v Speaker 2>the iceberg like that. I think it's called the Iceberg Lounge.
<v Speaker 2>That's his thing. That's a very Fredo from his Vegas stint.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, preview to what was coming up. We
<v Speaker 2>have got celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the release of
<v Speaker 2>the Godfather. We have The Godfather one versus The Godfather
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<v Speaker 2>not miss those episodes.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we've got Jeffrey Wright playing James Gordon. Right,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he's Commissioner Gordon and not.
<v Speaker 2>I think there's another commissioner that like that. The funeral
<v Speaker 2>I think is for the commissioner.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. He plays Felix Leder from the Daniel Craig James Bond.
<v Speaker 2>Movie The FBI Guy. Yeah, yeah, he's.
<v Speaker 3>A guy loses all these chips at Cassina Royal.
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, and what about the winnings.
<v Speaker 3>Does it look like we need the money? Okay? And
<v Speaker 3>then you've got John Tuturo as Carmine Falcone.
<v Speaker 2>I love, I love John Deturo. I don't care what
<v Speaker 2>he's in. It's awesome, all right.
<v Speaker 3>I got something for you here, Okay. Peter sars Guard
<v Speaker 3>is playing Gil Coulson.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is.
<v Speaker 3>The district attorney somewhere prior to.
<v Speaker 2>Harvey Dent right right.
<v Speaker 3>He describes this character as untruthful and distasteful. It'd be
<v Speaker 3>interesting to see what kind of character this is. But
<v Speaker 3>do you know who Peter sars Guard is married to
<v Speaker 3>Maggie Gillenhall. Oh wow, she plays Rachel Dawes in The
<v Speaker 3>Dark Knight.
<v Speaker 2>You've got as Alfred Penniworth. Andy Serkis, Andy Serkis.
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting, and I know that they're trying to lean
<v Speaker 3>more that Alfred has this sort of military background. I
<v Speaker 3>think even maybe m I six or something.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's in a preview. He's got a scar on
<v Speaker 2>his forehead, which leads me to believe he's seen some action.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, who else better to train Bruce Wayne than
<v Speaker 3>mister I six Alfred Penniworth.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it. I think that's fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>We should say this is outside the DCEU, right, right,
<v Speaker 3>the extended universe, right, So none of the Aquaman stuff,
<v Speaker 3>none of the Henry Cavillman of Steel, all that stuff
<v Speaker 3>takes place somewhere else. I think they even said this
<v Speaker 3>is Earth two.
<v Speaker 2>Right, this is this is a different universe kind of
<v Speaker 2>like The Joker, right, which, if we can discuss for
<v Speaker 2>just a second. Yeah, yeah, I saw that movie before
<v Speaker 2>you did. Yes, I went and watched it with my
<v Speaker 2>wife and she did not like it. Yes, and I
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it for what it was. It's it is a
<v Speaker 2>fantastic movie. It is not what you expect when you're
<v Speaker 2>going to go see a movie based on comic books.
<v Speaker 2>And I called you and I said, this is not
<v Speaker 2>your kind of movie. And you went and saw it anyway,
<v Speaker 2>and you called me up and said that was I.
<v Speaker 3>Said that wasn't a strong enough but I say those
<v Speaker 3>words were not strong enough.
<v Speaker 6>That was like beat. This movie was terrible. I said,
<v Speaker 6>I told you it was to do like that was
<v Speaker 6>not a strong enough warning. Yes, man, Yes, So yeah, if.
<v Speaker 2>You if you take The Joker and make it a
<v Speaker 2>Tats and Driver, it's a different movie than than a
<v Speaker 2>superhero movie that you've been used to, for sure. I
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it very much, but it's not for everybody, for sure.
<v Speaker 2>But here's what's interesting. The hospital. They don't call it
<v Speaker 2>the Arkham Asylum in The Joker they call it the
<v Speaker 2>Arkham State Hospital. Okay, why is that interesting? Because in
<v Speaker 2>the trailer for The Batman, there's a part where the
<v Speaker 2>Batman has come in to see the Riddler inside of
<v Speaker 2>what appears to be a jail cell. Right, the screen
<v Speaker 2>is rising so they can talk to each other through
<v Speaker 2>the glass and Batman, yes, lambs is an arm against
<v Speaker 2>the glass. What are you doing? And all of this
<v Speaker 2>is the only thing that we hear the Riddler say.
<v Speaker 2>He says, I've been trying to reach you, meaning again.
<v Speaker 2>I think this goes back to him giving himself up.
<v Speaker 2>This is all part of his plan. But you don't
<v Speaker 2>see his face. What you do see is his uniform.
<v Speaker 2>You see his chest is that thing hands up. What's
<v Speaker 2>written on the uniform is not a jail. It is
<v Speaker 2>the Arkham State Hospital, just like at a Choker. Don't
<v Speaker 2>know if they're going to be in the same universe
<v Speaker 2>or not. I mean they be the styles are similar.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that could be interesting. And I know that that
<v Speaker 3>Robert Pattinson has signed a three picture deal to do
<v Speaker 3>three Batman movies. This is another trilogy. Yeah, and you
<v Speaker 3>know they're gonna want to bring Joker back.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't. I really don't think Joaquin Phoenix is
<v Speaker 2>going to do another one. I mean, it's just not
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's his type of thing to do.
<v Speaker 2>Let's just standalone, Jack Nicholson.
<v Speaker 3>Let's go make the call.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic. This town needs an enema. So the writers
<v Speaker 2>that we have on this, we mentioned Matt Reeves is
<v Speaker 2>primarily responsible. He teamed up with Peter Craig to write this.
<v Speaker 2>Peter Craig wrote the Hunger Games movies. He also wrote
<v Speaker 2>The Town starring mister Bin Attack. Great movie. So I'm
<v Speaker 2>just I'm thinking through this right. So we've got some
<v Speaker 2>solid acting skills, We've obviously got a significant budget. We've
<v Speaker 2>got a reboot style tale that goes back to the
<v Speaker 2>dark grittiness. We have Matt Reeves, who gave us some
<v Speaker 2>incredible Planet of the Apes movies, and we've got He's
<v Speaker 2>a great storyteller. Yes, he is a great storyteller. He
<v Speaker 2>is completely devoted to one picture at a time. And
<v Speaker 2>when he agreed to do this, it was twenty seventeen,
<v Speaker 2>February of twenty seventeen. When did you tell me? Filming
<v Speaker 2>started on this January of twenty twenty.
<v Speaker 4>January of twenty twenty, which means he went for three
<v Speaker 4>years developing the movie, only to have it stop abruptly
<v Speaker 4>in March.
<v Speaker 3>We got to talk about that. So this, to me
<v Speaker 3>is the major story about the filming of this is.
<v Speaker 3>Production started January twenty twenty in London. As we all know,
<v Speaker 3>in early March of twenty twenty, the world shut down
<v Speaker 3>because of the COVID nineteen pandemic. Well, at first, Warner
<v Speaker 3>Brothers was like, we're not shutting down. No, no, this
<v Speaker 3>is bull crap.
<v Speaker 2>We got movies to make, we got.
<v Speaker 3>A budget, We're making them freaking Batman, right.
<v Speaker 2>Can you remember when the swine flu came out?
<v Speaker 3>This is boil over in a.
<v Speaker 2>Couple of weeks.
<v Speaker 3>This is bull crab, keep rolling. So when they realized no,
<v Speaker 3>this really is the real deal on March fourteenth, they
<v Speaker 3>shut down, but only for two weeks. That was the plan,
<v Speaker 3>all right, two weeks, Yeah, this all should be over
<v Speaker 3>in two weeks, right, right, So two weeks later, obviously
<v Speaker 3>the world still very much under pandemic.
<v Speaker 2>Yeh.
<v Speaker 3>They did not resume filming until September of twenty twenty.
<v Speaker 3>That's a six month pause in the middle of a
<v Speaker 3>major movie, right.
<v Speaker 2>And then when they started filming again. They can't just
<v Speaker 2>go back to doing things the way they'd done them
<v Speaker 2>before because the world changed.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Robert Pattinsons says, like a military operation, right, they
<v Speaker 3>had earbuds in to receive direction. He said, there was
<v Speaker 3>like robotic remote control cameras. He said, he didn't even
<v Speaker 3>know if there was a crew. He's like standing out
<v Speaker 3>there by himself.
<v Speaker 2>Guys, how was that somebody's the action? Sorry? Did you
<v Speaker 2>order a hamburger?
<v Speaker 3>I have to go to the bath room.
<v Speaker 2>That, by the way, was the note that was given
<v Speaker 2>to both he and Zoe Kravitz. Make sure you can
<v Speaker 2>go to the bathroom in this thing.
<v Speaker 3>That's great.
<v Speaker 2>So once again on the producer list, we've got Michael Uselin,
<v Speaker 2>who I think we're in good hands, right, and then
<v Speaker 2>the composer. Okay, are you ready for this?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>The composer is Michael Giacchino. Every Pixar film that you love,
<v Speaker 2>he composed the score for it. He did The Mission
<v Speaker 2>Impossible movies that you love, He did Rogue one. This
<v Speaker 2>guy is a master. I mean, if you just took Up. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the music in Up is so utterly brilliant that it
<v Speaker 2>blows me away. And then you compare it to The Incredibles,
<v Speaker 2>which is completely different and still perfect for the movie.
<v Speaker 2>And I have downloaded the theme for The Batman and
<v Speaker 2>I can't stop listening to it. We talked about the
<v Speaker 2>difference between Danny Elfman and his obvious theme that he's
<v Speaker 2>got going on, and Hans Zimmer and the more repetitive
<v Speaker 2>style that Hans Zimmer has, and how different they are.
<v Speaker 2>I think that Michael g and Chin, who gives us both,
<v Speaker 2>He's got a theme that is very nicely intermixed with
<v Speaker 2>these tension building Austinado's that it's so good. I can't
<v Speaker 2>wait to see what they do with all of it.
<v Speaker 3>He had me had incredible, So I'm just telling you yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then we've got the cinematographer. His name is Greg Frasier. Okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I just found the other day, born the same day
<v Speaker 2>that I was. It was a good day also. By
<v Speaker 2>the way, he was four years old, n four years
<v Speaker 2>old the day that bat Film's Inc. Was formed. Now,
<v Speaker 2>he did the cinematography for Let Me In, and he
<v Speaker 2>also did it for Zero Dark thirty, he did it
<v Speaker 2>for Doune, and he did it for Rogue One. I
<v Speaker 2>can remember seeing Rogue one and going how did they
<v Speaker 2>make this look so much like the original t Religion. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was spot on and it had a
<v Speaker 2>lot to do with his cinematography style. Right. So in
<v Speaker 2>the trailer, there's this moment that it's it's basically darkness
<v Speaker 2>and you see Batman charging forward and the only lights
<v Speaker 2>that you can see are coming from these machine guns
<v Speaker 2>that are shooting him. And I watched that scene and
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this looks like the end of Rogue one
<v Speaker 2>where Darth Vader is coming through the dark hallway and
<v Speaker 2>it's only lit by that light by his lightsaber and
<v Speaker 2>the gun shooting. And sure enough, the same guy film
<v Speaker 2>both scenes. I'm geared up.
<v Speaker 3>One of the coolest scenes filmed for any Star Wars movie.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and I will say Rogue one is my favorite
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars movie aside from the original trilogy. I might
<v Speaker 2>even put it above for Return of the Jedi. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>it's I love Rogue One. I really really do.
<v Speaker 3>I can go with you on that.
<v Speaker 2>So we have all of these ingredients for a successful movie.
<v Speaker 2>I'm super excited to see where it goes. Me too.
<v Speaker 3>I got some tidbits for you. Okay, So Matt Reeves
<v Speaker 3>brought in Robert Pattinson. Yes, put him in the Val
<v Speaker 3>Kilmer suit, but he said he knew he was right
<v Speaker 3>when he put on the makeup, right, And actually in
<v Speaker 3>the trailer you see Bruce Wayne without his cow on
<v Speaker 3>and you have the black makeup on. And they really
<v Speaker 3>wanted to show, you know, in Batman Forever, when Michael
<v Speaker 3>Keaton rips off his mask, he's not wearing any makeup.
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's yeah, it's a meme.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's ridiculous, yeah, right, And so they wanted to
<v Speaker 3>show that sweaty, bruised makeup tough, gritty guy underneath.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, and you know a little bit of the
<v Speaker 2>Emo vibe, a little bit of the Curtin darker. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Robert Pattinson took a selfie of himself in the batsuit
<v Speaker 3>just in case he got fired the first week. He
<v Speaker 3>was like, He's like, it was very much against the rules,
<v Speaker 3>but I needed it just in case. Did you know
<v Speaker 3>that Zoe Kravitz actually void the character of Catwoman in
<v Speaker 3>the Lego Batman movie?
<v Speaker 2>Wow?
<v Speaker 3>How about that?
<v Speaker 2>That is fantastic? Yes? Okay, so quick note on that.
<v Speaker 2>Last year. May of last year, Matt Reeves signed on
<v Speaker 2>to do an animated series of The Batman called Batman
<v Speaker 2>Caped Crusader. I'm excited to see man.
<v Speaker 3>I'm all in.
<v Speaker 2>His wife is Melinda Wang. She's a former animator, So.
<v Speaker 3>No offense Melinda Wang. What that's from Shack? Sorry? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>we mentioned that Colin Ferrell is playing the Penguin, right.
<v Speaker 3>He actually has the distinction of playing a super villain
<v Speaker 3>in both the DC and Marvel universe. Can you name
<v Speaker 3>the super villain that he plays in the Marvel universe?
<v Speaker 2>Is it in the Eternals?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 2>I give up.
<v Speaker 3>He plays Bullseye in the ben A Flack Daredevil movie
<v Speaker 3>from two thousand and three.
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, I remember that novel.
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Jennifer Gardner who he married and now divorced?
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow? Yeah, I had even forgotten the ben Affleck
<v Speaker 2>was every the daar doll whoa.
<v Speaker 3>And finally, this is the first solo Batman film to
<v Speaker 3>be shot on digital. You know, we talked about COVID
<v Speaker 3>nineteen interrupting this movie. This film was originally scheduled to
<v Speaker 3>be released June twenty fifth, twenty twenty one, but due
<v Speaker 3>to that production halt, they had to push it back
<v Speaker 3>to October first of twenty twenty one. And now finally
<v Speaker 3>we're getting it worldwide March fourth, twenty twenty two. This
<v Speaker 3>should be a summer blockbuster. The movie has a run
<v Speaker 3>time of two hours and fifty five minutes. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 3>a long time. I don't care.
<v Speaker 2>And the cameras that they used are the Area Alexi
<v Speaker 2>and the Air Alexa. Many using anamorphic lenses, which I'm
<v Speaker 2>super excited that they did that because it gives it
<v Speaker 2>such a great cinematic look. It's gonna be great.
<v Speaker 3>This movie is nearly three hours long. Dark Knight was
<v Speaker 3>two and a half hours. Man eighty nine was over
<v Speaker 3>two hours. The Godfather, Godfather Too, and Goodfellows are all
<v Speaker 3>three hour movies.
<v Speaker 2>Right, so at least in The Godfather you get an intermission.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that. I'm gonna say we're gonna be
<v Speaker 2>seeing it the night that it comes out. We're not
<v Speaker 2>gonna have windogo pee dot com. We won't know. We'll
<v Speaker 2>have to let you know.
<v Speaker 3>We'll do our best.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, basically, just don't go right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>start dehydrating like early that morning.
<v Speaker 3>No coke for you.
<v Speaker 2>Let's now go to the movie theater and see the movie.
<v Speaker 3>I'm ready, let's go.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll get the pop up. Holy crap, go see
<v Speaker 2>that movie.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, we are back from watching the movie. This is
<v Speaker 3>just minutes ago that we're back in the car.
<v Speaker 2>Now, okay, guys, we've seen the movie. We are going
<v Speaker 2>to have spoilers, so be prepared for those this point forward.
<v Speaker 3>If you don't want to know anything else, don't listen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, push pause, go see the movie, and then come
<v Speaker 2>back and listen. So tell me your thoughts. What do
<v Speaker 2>you think? Good?
<v Speaker 3>Bad?
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was fantastic. I thought it was fantastic, fantastic, fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So just off the top of your head, which
<v Speaker 2>your best best part about me?
<v Speaker 3>So? I love the first the riddles at the beginning,
<v Speaker 3>like the first hour or so, while they're solving the
<v Speaker 3>mystery and he's plucking important people out of Gotham and
<v Speaker 3>you know, endangering them and they're having to try to
<v Speaker 3>track him down, and all the riddles and all that
<v Speaker 3>stuff was awesome. I do think it lulled a little
<v Speaker 3>bit in the middle. So it's it started with a
<v Speaker 3>bang right off the bat. We don't we're not fooling
<v Speaker 3>around with any of the stupid Bruce Wayne backstory. We're
<v Speaker 3>not fooling around with any of the penguin or any
<v Speaker 3>of that backstory. We're just dropped right in the middle
<v Speaker 3>of a mystery that's beginning, and they expect you to
<v Speaker 3>already understand who some of these characters are, which we do.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is you know, American folklore, these characters,
<v Speaker 3>and it starts right off, and man, you're following these
<v Speaker 3>clues and there's this crazy Riddler character who's like John
<v Speaker 3>Doe from Seven. I thought it was very much like Seven,
<v Speaker 3>very much. I thought there was a you know, zodiac,
<v Speaker 3>and I thought there was even a little bit of
<v Speaker 3>the movie Saw if you've ever seen.
<v Speaker 2>Saw a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, very very dark. My little my thirteen year
<v Speaker 3>old daughter wants to watch this, and I thought, well,
<v Speaker 3>it's PG thirteen. I'm not really comfortable with her watching
<v Speaker 3>this one.
<v Speaker 2>It is. It is definitely pushing that edge of the thirteen.
<v Speaker 2>I almost wish they would have gone ahead and just
<v Speaker 2>done an R version and just pushed it a little
<v Speaker 2>bit more. But this is definitely this is a strong movie.
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised at some of the strength of some
<v Speaker 2>of the scenes. Here's what Okay, So number one for me,
<v Speaker 2>Number one is the music. I knew I was gonna
<v Speaker 2>love it, and I was. It exceeded my expectations. Did
<v Speaker 2>a perfect job with the music. Number two. I liked
<v Speaker 2>the kind of learning his way Batman. He doesn't really
<v Speaker 2>know it yet. We talked about how this is just
<v Speaker 2>year two and he makes mistakes, and there's not a
<v Speaker 2>ton of mistakes, but when we had them, they were good.
<v Speaker 2>They were a solid moment in that it's really the
<v Speaker 2>tone is so dark, and you do have this seventies five.
<v Speaker 2>I was watching this. It doesn't take place in the seventies.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we got flash drives and cell phones and all.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's obviously a now type of universe. But
<v Speaker 2>the cars that are driving around are for the most part,
<v Speaker 2>kind of those seventies style taxis and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>Until you get to the chase scene. What do you
<v Speaker 2>think of the chasing?
<v Speaker 3>The chase scene was very born identity. It was gritty
<v Speaker 3>and you felt the impact of it and the throttle
<v Speaker 3>and I really felt like I was inside the chase scene.
<v Speaker 2>So this Bruce Wayne is a gearhead. You catch a
<v Speaker 2>glimpse of his engine a few times as it's panning
<v Speaker 2>around in the bat cave, and then it comes to
<v Speaker 2>life in the Batmobile, and it's awesome.
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't as big a fan as of the batmobile.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean it was cool.
<v Speaker 3>It was a muscle car. Yeah, I'm still a tumbler
<v Speaker 3>guy all the way.
<v Speaker 2>So you had talked about before in the earlier part
<v Speaker 2>of this episode that you were excited about the idea
<v Speaker 2>that it was going to be a detective story that
<v Speaker 2>was more detective story, and it was definitely that. In fact,
<v Speaker 2>it was a throwback to the Mickey Splaine like here
<v Speaker 2>I am in this ragged city, this is my life.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it has him narrating just like that character.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like, you know, Raymond Chandler or Nashal
<v Speaker 2>Hammett or something like that. I mean it's it is
<v Speaker 2>the from the perspective of the detective and it's got
<v Speaker 2>his narration on there. And I thought it was brilliantly done.
<v Speaker 2>Opening scene. Oh wow, so good, so good. You everybody
<v Speaker 2>knows that you've got I mean from the trailer, we
<v Speaker 2>know that we've got the death of the Mayor and
<v Speaker 2>that that scene was perfect. It's perfect.
<v Speaker 3>So it was scary, right, Yeah, Like it was legit
<v Speaker 3>because there's he's got that crazy, sadistic looking mask on,
<v Speaker 3>and it's the mayor and he's walking around his house
<v Speaker 3>and he's he's watching TV and you see this flash
<v Speaker 3>and there's a person in the room with him and
<v Speaker 3>it's dark and we know it and he doesn't. And
<v Speaker 3>it's that tense Alfred Hitchcock type of.
<v Speaker 2>Thing, absolutely, and they build it. They show you him,
<v Speaker 2>and then you wait and you wait and you wait,
<v Speaker 2>and you think maybe nothing's going to happen. And it's
<v Speaker 2>at that moment that you think nothing's going to happen
<v Speaker 2>that he explodes into action with a scream, and it's.
<v Speaker 3>Very violent, like very violent right off the bat Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So those things all, you know, the detective and the
<v Speaker 2>ciphers that we like from seven that we talked about,
<v Speaker 2>those come into play and build really nicely for the
<v Speaker 2>first couple of acts. But if I got to say
<v Speaker 2>anything bad about the movie, it's the same bad thing
<v Speaker 2>that we said about Batman eighty nine and The Dark Knight.
<v Speaker 2>The third act doesn't finish off quite as strong the
<v Speaker 2>climax of the movie. And this is I mean, this
<v Speaker 2>is big spoiler here, everybody. I almost don't want to
<v Speaker 2>say this. I want to say this. I'm not going
<v Speaker 2>to give you all the details. Yeah, but the big
<v Speaker 2>climax of the movie is when you think, think that
<v Speaker 2>the Riddler knows who Batman is, and then you realize
<v Speaker 2>that it is kind of like the Jack Nicholson you
<v Speaker 2>made Me kind of story, and it's it flips it
<v Speaker 2>on its head and it's a surprise.
<v Speaker 3>The verb, the way he words it, I'm like, oh no,
<v Speaker 3>he's exposed. And then, without giving too much away, you
<v Speaker 3>realize he doesn't know.
<v Speaker 2>Excellent writing, very very well done. I love the fight scenes.
<v Speaker 2>The fight scenes were on point. We didn't have we
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a batman who knew you know, Brazilian jiu jitsu.
<v Speaker 2>We had a batman who threw some punches and got
<v Speaker 2>hit himself and got thrown around and hit you until
<v Speaker 2>you stop moving.
<v Speaker 3>Here's what I thought. You know the punch sound that
<v Speaker 3>you get from Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Star, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you know that full on sound. So every punch that
<v Speaker 3>bat Man throws it you feel it like a compression
<v Speaker 3>in your chest.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so.
<v Speaker 3>I thought Robert Pattinson did a great job. He was
<v Speaker 3>very dark. I thought he was very Kurt Cobain. You know,
<v Speaker 3>we talked about he's not playboy rich out there, He's
<v Speaker 3>a reclusive rock star Kurt Cobain.
<v Speaker 2>Right. There is a point that the Riddler says to him,
<v Speaker 2>your your true self when you have the mask on,
<v Speaker 2>and I think that was absolutely true for the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Like you, you were excited when he was dressed as
<v Speaker 2>the bat when he was Bruce Wayne, he felt like
<v Speaker 2>he was out of place. He felt you know, everybody's
<v Speaker 2>been saying, oh, he's the emo Bruce Wayne. Well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he felt like a guy who was displaced, which you
<v Speaker 2>can say emo or you could say, you know, NEI Western.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's the cowboy. And there's a there. There is
<v Speaker 2>a point that you get kind of a cowboy style
<v Speaker 2>music and the red flames in the back as it's
<v Speaker 2>coming on, and I'm like, oh, this is a very
<v Speaker 2>nice touch on that kind of Western style.
<v Speaker 3>Gun's okay, let's discuss problems. Do you have any problems
<v Speaker 3>with this?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? So problem number one that I mentioned is the
<v Speaker 2>the third act, once you get past that very impactful
<v Speaker 2>scene between the Riddler and the Batman and you see
<v Speaker 2>his plan, it's not as clean and clear as I
<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you and I were talking in the actually in
<v Speaker 3>the bathroom after the game, after the movie and the
<v Speaker 3>Big the Big Riddler last act, like he's in custody,
<v Speaker 3>but he's got one more trick up his sleeve, right,
<v Speaker 3>John Doe's got the upper hand. Yeah, it's a fizzle.
<v Speaker 2>At it's a little bit of a fizzle. It is
<v Speaker 2>not as big as it could have been. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna say this. You know, when I walked out of
<v Speaker 2>the Dark Night after seeing in the movies, I wasn't like,
<v Speaker 2>this is the perfect movie. I was like, Okay, that
<v Speaker 2>was good, and I'm a little confused. Yeah, And it
<v Speaker 2>took watching it a few times. And Quentin Tarantino has
<v Speaker 2>said as much about Christopher nolan movies. You know, when
<v Speaker 2>they asked him about Tenant and he's they're like, did
<v Speaker 2>you like that one? He's like, tell you truth, I
<v Speaker 2>don't think I've seen it enough times yet to know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to see this movie again, probably two
<v Speaker 2>or three more times, and maybe once I've seen it
<v Speaker 2>two or three more times, it's going to fit. The
<v Speaker 2>pieces of the puzzle are going to fit together for me.
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that on first watch, Act one
<v Speaker 2>and Act two solid as rock.
<v Speaker 3>I thought this movie was a fantastic movie, where parts
<v Speaker 3>of Act three weren't executed as well as I was hoping.
<v Speaker 3>But it's the best movie I've seen in the theater
<v Speaker 3>in years, years, years and years, absolutely and maybe decades.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I know we're talking about things that we
<v Speaker 2>didn't like. Yeah. The other thing they blind me about.
<v Speaker 2>Every twenty to twenty five minutes, they will shine a
<v Speaker 2>light right in your freaking fay. I'm like, okay, why
<v Speaker 2>why do you keep doing that? It's like light, It's
<v Speaker 2>like a flashlight, It's like a torch. I mean, like, ah,
<v Speaker 2>So that was That's my one those two things that
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a strong finish at the end. Now I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to say this. I started thinking about this is
<v Speaker 2>I told you I needed to be here, Like, are
<v Speaker 2>you going to tell me what you thought? Like, I
<v Speaker 2>gotta kind of gather, I gotta I gotta process this.
<v Speaker 2>So spoiler alert, the realization that he makes at the
<v Speaker 2>end is that he can't be vengeance. He has to
<v Speaker 2>be hope. And that is a strong biblical connection because
<v Speaker 2>Old Testament God is this wrathful God, and Jesus is
<v Speaker 2>this hope and what you see. Once he realizes that
<v Speaker 2>his persona of vengeance is having an ill effect on
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the Gotham, he switches and suddenly he
<v Speaker 2>is this very impressive scene where he is leading his
<v Speaker 2>people out. They do this great crane shot and it's
<v Speaker 2>him with a light leading them through the water, and
<v Speaker 2>the water itself is very much a flood. It's very
<v Speaker 2>much that we're going to wash away the filth of
<v Speaker 2>the city. The problem that I had with it is
<v Speaker 2>the Riddler seemed so focused for Act one and two
<v Speaker 2>on the corrupt officials, and then an Act three it
<v Speaker 2>ended up, well, we're just going to wash away everybody.
<v Speaker 2>That was kind of an odd take. We're going to
<v Speaker 2>inconvenience everyone well, and I think the intention was to,
<v Speaker 2>you know, flood them into a spot and then I
<v Speaker 2>don't won't give away the end, but there are followers
<v Speaker 2>who are there. But yeah, it didn't where I understand
<v Speaker 2>the allegory that they were trying to give. I don't
<v Speaker 2>think it was as strong as it could have been.
<v Speaker 2>But I've only seen it once, right, I've only seen
<v Speaker 2>it once.
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about strengths.
<v Speaker 2>Selena Kyle, she best catwoman of all time.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, coming strong.
<v Speaker 2>I was spiked football every day, all day long. Best
<v Speaker 2>catwoman of all time. She as far as that they have.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they've got this love interest to me, she delivered.
<v Speaker 2>Robert Pattinson didn't quite. I didn't feel like he had
<v Speaker 2>the chemistry for her that she had for him. Like
<v Speaker 2>it felt like if like I believed her fascination with
<v Speaker 2>him and his I didn't buy so much.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I thought she was fantastic. I thought it was real. Right.
<v Speaker 3>They alluded to the fact that maybe she's a prostituted
<v Speaker 3>or that she'd worked in this kind of underbelly club
<v Speaker 3>doing sort of sortid things.
<v Speaker 2>Very Batman Year one, and she even looks like Selena
<v Speaker 2>Kyle and Batman Year one.
<v Speaker 3>Definitely, definitely okay. Penguin Penguin was the best penguin of
<v Speaker 3>all time.
<v Speaker 2>Best penguin of all time, but by far, far and
<v Speaker 2>away best villain in the movie in my opinion. Oh wait, wait,
<v Speaker 2>wait wait, Riddler's great. Riddler is great.
<v Speaker 3>Riddler was fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Falcone stole every scene that he was in. John Tuturo
<v Speaker 2>stole every scene that he was in.
<v Speaker 3>That was awesome.
<v Speaker 2>He really really was.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, what about Gordon.
<v Speaker 2>I loved Gordon. Yeah, I loved it, and he provided
<v Speaker 2>some comedy in the movie that I like. I say,
<v Speaker 2>every movie needs to have some laughs, and I laughed
<v Speaker 2>at least three or four times in this movie out loud.
<v Speaker 3>The laughs were rare.
<v Speaker 2>The laughs were rare, and I think I may have
<v Speaker 2>laughed inappropriately the couple, but they were there. They were
<v Speaker 2>there enough for such a dark, dark movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was one scene that I almost laughed inappropriately.
<v Speaker 3>It's when the penguin like flips his car like twenty times.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you and I know I just had a
<v Speaker 2>wreck like three days ago. That was a little triggery
<v Speaker 2>for me. Was like, oh, it's made me a little uncomfortable. Okay, sorry,
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, So he flips his car.
<v Speaker 3>You actually see the rolling of the car from inside
<v Speaker 3>the car. You experienced the role. There's stuff going everywhere,
<v Speaker 3>and then you see these boots. It's very cowboy. He's
<v Speaker 3>walking up in a clump, clump, clump, and I expected
<v Speaker 3>him to bend over and be like, are you okay,
<v Speaker 3>But instead of you know, grabs him and starts beating
<v Speaker 3>him up.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, penguin was fantastic. Gordon was fantastic. I thought
<v Speaker 3>Robert Pattinson as Batman it was a different take on
<v Speaker 3>Batman and Bruce Wayne, but I'm fully invested. I was
<v Speaker 3>very very much a fan. And then The Riddler was
<v Speaker 3>amazing scary. Uh he provided a real menace yeah, verse seven.
<v Speaker 2>Right, And Paul Dano just as a human being, has
<v Speaker 2>a demented look about him. I mean no offense to
<v Speaker 2>the it's a gift that he has that he can
<v Speaker 2>play those kind of warped characters. But you don't see
<v Speaker 2>him for three quarters of the movie. You don't see
<v Speaker 2>his face.
<v Speaker 3>No, But those videos and stuff that he posted were
<v Speaker 3>super scary.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And there was a scene. There was a scene
<v Speaker 2>where he had two IDs and they said which one
<v Speaker 2>of these are you? And he said, you tell me,
<v Speaker 2>And I felt like there was more of a story there.
<v Speaker 2>And a little bit later on it showed his picture
<v Speaker 2>without the mask on next to his picture with the
<v Speaker 2>mask on. I was expecting there to be some sort
<v Speaker 2>of twin thing that was going to happen, which apparent.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously it didn't happen, unless that's a plan
<v Speaker 2>for a later movie or something like that. I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, one more thing I want to bring up before
<v Speaker 3>we finish up. Okay, the last scene in Arkham Asylum. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there's a conversation that happens between the Riddler and somebody
<v Speaker 3>and somebody.
<v Speaker 2>Another inmate in the Arkham State Hospital. Okay, that's Arkham
<v Speaker 2>State Hospital. And when when I was looking at him,
<v Speaker 2>he kind of looked like his face was messed up,
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, is this two face? But then he
<v Speaker 2>talked about being a clown, so I'm like, is this joker?
<v Speaker 2>And then he says, riddle me this, and he's like,
<v Speaker 2>what's more valuable the for you or you have? And
<v Speaker 2>the Riddler answers friends and so he's talking to the
<v Speaker 2>Riddler about a comeback story, and so maybe that's what's
<v Speaker 2>in store, but we don't know exactly who this guy is.
<v Speaker 2>But then they both start to laugh together and it's
<v Speaker 2>this maniacal, weird laugh. Who do you think it is?
<v Speaker 3>It's got to be. They're clearly putting the Joker out there,
<v Speaker 3>so yeah, okay, or at least they're throwing us off
<v Speaker 3>the trail.
<v Speaker 2>That is.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's the Joker.
<v Speaker 2>But it's not a joker we've seen before. It's definitely
<v Speaker 2>not what Keene Phoenix, it's definitely not Jared Leto.
<v Speaker 3>I'm okay with both that. That's fine with me.
<v Speaker 2>That's good stuff. Let's see. Is there anything else that
<v Speaker 2>we need to talk about this? Okay? Yeah, we so
<v Speaker 2>we do. We have to do this, all right? How's
<v Speaker 2>it going to rank? Okay, but let's do it like
<v Speaker 2>we did on our on our episodes. Okay, Keaton, Bail, Pattinson,
<v Speaker 2>what do you ring?
<v Speaker 3>I would Okay, I just watched it just a few
<v Speaker 3>minutes ago, so it's still fresh in my brain. But
<v Speaker 3>I'm going Keaton, Pattinson, Bail Nice Batman.
<v Speaker 2>Nice so so number one, Keaton number two, Pattinson, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and Christian Bale finishing third. Yes, Okay, all right, I agree, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm right, I'm I'm right there. Okay, Yeah, I think
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly Yeah. I think you're spot on on that one.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So there is no joker in this one, right,
<v Speaker 2>We've got a slew of good characters. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>that we can really compare any of our bad guys
<v Speaker 2>in this movie to either one of those jokers, though, No,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think any of them reach either Jack Nicholson
<v Speaker 2>or Heath Ledger level.
<v Speaker 3>He's more of a behind the scenes and kind of
<v Speaker 3>off screen scary.
<v Speaker 2>Both of those actors had the opportunity to build a
<v Speaker 2>real character that we got to see a lot of.
<v Speaker 2>This is an entirely different story. This was somebody in
<v Speaker 2>the shadows and almost all circumstances. So it's not the same.
<v Speaker 2>It's not fair to compare them, but it's important to
<v Speaker 2>note that we don't have one of those standout villains
<v Speaker 2>in this one. We've got a different type of villain altogether,
<v Speaker 2>a great villain, John, a genuinely scary villain. Yeah, it's you.
<v Speaker 2>You don't look at them and laugh. You you look
<v Speaker 2>at them and go, my word, what could happen to
<v Speaker 2>some twisted mind? Right? Okay, I'm still saying Number one
<v Speaker 2>is the Keaton Mobile. Yeah, but that Muscle care Car
<v Speaker 2>was awesome. I loved the Muscle Car. I love the
<v Speaker 2>Muscle Car, Bars through the Flames. I still am picking it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm picking it above the Humby version of the Batmobile, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>which you would put at number one?
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you're crazy, Yeah, Tumbler one eighty nine, Batmobile two,
<v Speaker 3>Muscle Car three. I don't it really didn't do anything.
<v Speaker 3>Especially had a like a turbo charged engine, but it
<v Speaker 3>didn't didn't have any kind of special machine guns or
<v Speaker 3>oil slicks.
<v Speaker 2>Or smoke screen or year two.
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, I'm just I mean.
<v Speaker 2>And there's something interesting too, like the batsuit, Like you
<v Speaker 2>could see the threads where he had woven it together.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like leather and and cloth. It does not
<v Speaker 2>look like any of the modern batsuits that we've seen
<v Speaker 2>from Keaton on. This is as handmade a batsuit as
<v Speaker 2>we've seen since the sixty six Batman without him West.
<v Speaker 3>I loved how the bat emblem on his chest popped
<v Speaker 3>out and became a knife for a batter ring.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, I really liked
<v Speaker 2>the batsuit. What do you think batsuitise number one?
<v Speaker 3>This is the best one.
<v Speaker 2>This is the best batsuit you've seen. I agree, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it kept catching my eye. Was not and
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like I was thinking. It wasn't like it
<v Speaker 2>was a distraction. It was just like, this is perfect.
<v Speaker 2>This is so realistic.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, can I say one thing too? He took all
<v Speaker 3>kinds of bullets to the chest that he was protected from.
<v Speaker 3>But at the very end a guy put a shotgun
<v Speaker 3>to his face.
<v Speaker 2>And then answered the question, right.
<v Speaker 3>Dumb and dumb question. What if he's shut in the face.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what if he shot me in the face.
<v Speaker 3>And he was clearly in danger, he was going to
<v Speaker 3>get he was going to die.
<v Speaker 2>That was a die, ye, yeah, and then he gets saved. Yep. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So movies movie to movie to movie.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's how I rank them right this second. I
<v Speaker 3>hope I'm not overreacting. The Batman number one, Oh wow,
<v Speaker 3>The Dark Knight number two, Batman eighty nine, number.
<v Speaker 2>Three, Wow Wow.
<v Speaker 3>It was fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>It blew my doors off, it did. I mean, here's
<v Speaker 2>the thing we knew walking into this that Rotten Tomatoes
<v Speaker 2>had said, this is a near perfect movie. We have
<v Speaker 2>built this up in our minds because we've been doing
<v Speaker 2>this research and we've been fascinated with the developments that
<v Speaker 2>we've seen, and this movie it delivered.
<v Speaker 3>It delivered. Here's what I think. I think you take
<v Speaker 3>all the great parts of The Dark Knight, and they
<v Speaker 3>were amazing, right, and you trim all the stuff, all
<v Speaker 3>the story building, and all the Alfred stuff and all
<v Speaker 3>the extra and you cut all that crap out and
<v Speaker 3>it's just full throttle story. I think this takes place
<v Speaker 3>in one week. Yeah, and it's just straight action, straight involvement,
<v Speaker 3>straight detective straight, it's all Batman. There's very little Bruce Wayne,
<v Speaker 3>so it doesn't really slow down that much, right, and
<v Speaker 3>so it's just like you love chocolate cake. Here it is,
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just full on, all Batman, all the
<v Speaker 3>best stuff, the Dark Knight for three hours.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you think?
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I'm still no, no.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I totally you're messing with my messing with
<v Speaker 2>my thoughts here. I am not ready to take The
<v Speaker 2>Dark Night out of the number one position. And it
<v Speaker 2>comes down to simply Heath Ledger's performance that I'm not
<v Speaker 2>ready to move it out of that position yet. The
<v Speaker 2>story on this one, it's better than the other two. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>it's a store. The story for the Batman is that
<v Speaker 2>detective story that. I mean. They kept me on the
<v Speaker 2>edge of my seat for three solid hours. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>want it to be over. I didn't want to get
<v Speaker 2>on with it. I mean a lot of people talk
<v Speaker 2>about this being too long. I disagree. This kept me
<v Speaker 2>engaged for three hours, solid piece of work. So storyline wise,
<v Speaker 2>I would put it at number one, but without heath
<v Speaker 2>led you there, I don't know. I just can't. I
<v Speaker 2>can't let The Dark Knight slip from the number one
<v Speaker 2>spot yet. Let me watch this one as many times
<v Speaker 2>as I've seen The Dark Knight, and maybe it will.
<v Speaker 2>But for right now, Dark Knight for me still holds
<v Speaker 2>the number one spot. This is definitely a very close
<v Speaker 2>number two, and Batman eighty nine is at number three
<v Speaker 2>for me.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, just a couple of odds and ends. Would you
<v Speaker 3>allow a child under thirteen to see this movie?
<v Speaker 2>It depends on the kid. I would let Caleb watch
<v Speaker 2>this movie. I would not let Avery watch this movie.
<v Speaker 2>I would let my twelve year old, you know, guy
<v Speaker 2>who likes to pretend to stab people. I'd let him
<v Speaker 2>go watch this. But not my little girl. Although she's
<v Speaker 2>pretty good about scary movies too, I don't know he
<v Speaker 2>might be scared by this one. Honestly, it's not one
<v Speaker 2>that you should take little kids too.
<v Speaker 3>It's on the edge. Yeah, it's a push in the
<v Speaker 3>envelope for the.
<v Speaker 2>R it is. It is is if you took the
<v Speaker 2>movie seven and made it a PG thirteen rating, so
<v Speaker 2>you got to take out some of the super graphic,
<v Speaker 2>explicit stuff. There's an F bomb in there.
<v Speaker 3>And there there's one f bomb.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's one fbom in the movie, as you typically
<v Speaker 2>get with a PG thirteen movie, and the initial attack
<v Speaker 2>and resulting injury. It's graphic, and so that one's a
<v Speaker 2>little rough. That's solid rough. I wouldn't take a under
<v Speaker 2>twelve year old to see this movie. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>My other question to you is when do you go pee?
<v Speaker 2>I didn't go pee, and there is not a spot
<v Speaker 2>as far as I could tell.
<v Speaker 3>The only spot that I could say is when Batman
<v Speaker 3>and Catwoman are kind of romance in it on top
<v Speaker 3>of the building. But that's an important part of the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.
<v Speaker 3>That's when I would go pee.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I would say, yeah, wait until after
<v Speaker 2>the flood and then you can go pee.
<v Speaker 3>You might as well stick around. And there is a
<v Speaker 3>post credit.
<v Speaker 2>Scene, uh sort of.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not a very good one.
<v Speaker 2>No, although I want to go back and see what
<v Speaker 2>it was.
<v Speaker 3>I want to be able to pause it and find
<v Speaker 3>out what exactly it says.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, and there's another thing. Is this a movie
<v Speaker 2>that is as good streaming as it is in the theater?
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not. You got to see this in theater.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely have to see it in the theater. Go if
<v Speaker 2>you can watch it in imax, which is what we did.
<v Speaker 2>Did watch it in imax. If you can't do that,
<v Speaker 2>go watch it in the regular theater. But please don't
<v Speaker 2>sit in your living room and push pause and go
<v Speaker 2>get popped while this movie's playing. Sit down and sew
<v Speaker 2>this movie and like the movies you used to watch
<v Speaker 2>when you were a teenager.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, highest recommend for me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, for sure, guys, it has been great
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<v Speaker 2>I'm really glad I got to see this with you.
<v Speaker 3>Awesome night, awesome night, Thanks Mary. And for now here
<v Speaker 3>is something in the way now that's bad.