Great White "...Twice Shy" (1989): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Hey, friends, this is Jay from the Okie Book Cast
<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to the Surely You Can't Be Serious
<v Speaker 1>Podcasts with my fellow okies Jason and d Hello everybody,
<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to the Surely you Can't Be Serious
<v Speaker 1>podcast where it is the middle of the night on
<v Speaker 1>the open road and the heater don't work and it's
<v Speaker 1>oh so cold. But don't go getting tired because you're
<v Speaker 1>looking kind of beat. The music that we're talking is
<v Speaker 1>gonna knock you off your feet.
<v Speaker 2>That is good.
<v Speaker 1>We are here today to talk about one the only
<v Speaker 1>great White.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, car Caradon Carkarrius, otherwise known as Great Whites.
<v Speaker 1>Great White. Now it will be interesting to talk about
<v Speaker 1>how they got their name, how it wasn't even really
<v Speaker 1>related to a shark at all. But we are comparing
<v Speaker 1>this album Twice Shy, which is their fourth total album,
<v Speaker 1>with an album from the cult called Sonic Temple.
<v Speaker 2>These are both big albums from the summer of nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine. I mean, we're kind of riding the crest
<v Speaker 2>of hair metal. It's about to crash and burn yep.
<v Speaker 2>But these are some of the last big remnants. Although
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people would say the Cult that was
<v Speaker 2>never hair metal.
<v Speaker 1>I would say the same thing about Great White. I
<v Speaker 1>think that Great White got lumped in with the hair metal.
<v Speaker 1>But they I mean, in listening to their music, they're
<v Speaker 1>really more blues. They're like English rock blues than they
<v Speaker 1>are hair metal. It was just they're in that same
<v Speaker 1>time and they're you know, they've got black leather pants on, right,
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, who wasn't wearing black leather pants in nineteen.
<v Speaker 2>Eighty nine, No doubt right.
<v Speaker 1>I would put these guys more in a category with
<v Speaker 1>like Tesla and Black Crows, Cinderella Cinder for sure, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>not Poison Motley Crup. Now, this is a really great
<v Speaker 1>pair of eppisodes for me because I told you, whenever
<v Speaker 1>you suggested that we do these two albums, I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard the Cult before it went by me.
<v Speaker 1>I never heard a song, didn't wasn't familiar with them,
<v Speaker 1>wasn't familiar with their music at all. And it's not
<v Speaker 1>much more for Great White. I mean, I knew who
<v Speaker 1>Great White was because once Bitten Twice Shy was all
<v Speaker 1>over the radio and all over MTV all of the time, right,
<v Speaker 1>And I had this great experience as a new Guitar
<v Speaker 1>player where I came across a video that Great White
<v Speaker 1>had done like a very early MTV Unplugged show, and
<v Speaker 1>they did this cover of the Led Zeppelin song Babe
<v Speaker 1>I'm Gonna Leave You.
<v Speaker 2>That is a fantastic performance in one of the very
<v Speaker 2>first MTV Unplugged TV shows. Yeah, I've got a great
<v Speaker 2>story on that. Let's hold that for a minute.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, fantastic. All right, guys, we for this episode,
<v Speaker 1>we have had a Patreon blast. Thank you everyone, five
<v Speaker 1>executive producers for this album. Excuse me for this album episode, Jason,
<v Speaker 1>who are our executive producers?
<v Speaker 2>All right? So Carrie Ahearn, who has been a Patreon
<v Speaker 2>re member before, she's back with us.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.
<v Speaker 2>I love Carrie.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back.
<v Speaker 2>So she's done it. Chris and Jeanie Alexander, they're back.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. Chris and Jeanie. Genie helped us out.
<v Speaker 2>Hoped she did depeche Mode with us.
<v Speaker 1>Oh I was silent an episode. Yeah, check that one out. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Then we've got Dirk Smith who's a new patreonmember.
<v Speaker 1>He's reached out to us on email, Dirk giving us
<v Speaker 1>some great intel on some stuff. I love it. Thank
<v Speaker 1>you for joining, Dirk. We're super happy to have your board.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. Thanks Dirk. And then Eugene Ussel. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>sure I'm saying his last name right, but Eugene has
<v Speaker 2>been jumped in on Patreon. He's been great for us.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Love to have you as part
<v Speaker 1>of the Patreon family. Eugene.
<v Speaker 2>And then Chris Connell.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that one threw me a second. I was like,
<v Speaker 1>did Chris Cornell just join He's not alive? No, Chris Connell. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>Chris Connell joined us. Chris, Welcome to the Patreon family.
<v Speaker 1>We are so happy to have you guys. These are
<v Speaker 1>our executive producers. If you're interested in becoming an executive
<v Speaker 1>producer one of our episodes, go to our Patreon page,
<v Speaker 1>Patreon dot com slash Shirly Podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Carrie, Chris, Jeanie, Eugene, and Chris.
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the album, get into these songs and
<v Speaker 1>find out what these guys are all about. Awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we do, I've got just a couple of
<v Speaker 2>little background details for you on the album. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>this was their fourth album, like you said, This was
<v Speaker 2>released April twelfth of nineteen eighty nine. Of course, the
<v Speaker 2>lead singles once Bitten, Twice Shy. We're going to talk
<v Speaker 2>about that, and that owned that summer for me. It
<v Speaker 2>was just on the radio every fifth song. It went
<v Speaker 2>two times platinum. And the cover. I want to talk
<v Speaker 2>about the cover of this album for a second. Here's
<v Speaker 2>the cover and I showed this to you a minute ago.
<v Speaker 1>You've got two bottom halves of ladies that are artfully
<v Speaker 1>wrapped in the most appropriate places with some red ribbon
<v Speaker 1>or satin sheets if you will.
<v Speaker 2>Red satin sheets. You've got a giant white dorsal fin
<v Speaker 2>going right through the middle of this bed.
<v Speaker 1>Yesday.
<v Speaker 2>Notice they've got these little anklets that you get at Destined,
<v Speaker 2>you know, on the beach, made of shark teeth, right,
<v Speaker 2>which is really cool.
<v Speaker 1>Side note, there have been like two major shark attacks
<v Speaker 1>within the last week. There have been at the beach
<v Speaker 1>that I'm about to go to vacation on. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>a little concerning, but fortunately no deaths, but some really
<v Speaker 1>serious injuries. That's right. Okay, So I'm sorry you're at
<v Speaker 1>the album. Yes, the shark swimming through red satin sheets somehow,
<v Speaker 1>all right, do you know who these.
<v Speaker 2>Two wonderful bottom halves belong to No, I don't, all right.
<v Speaker 2>One of them is Tracy Martinson.
<v Speaker 1>That's the girl whose face was on Once Bitten.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And she was in the video for Rockney.
<v Speaker 2>She's in the video for Save All Your Love.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Two songs that I absolutely think are bangers which you're
<v Speaker 2>not familiar with, and I'm marking it down. I'm spiking football.
<v Speaker 2>You will love those songs. Okay. So one of them
<v Speaker 2>is Tracy Martinson, girl from the One Spitten album.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Second one is Bobby Brown.
<v Speaker 1>Shut up.
<v Speaker 2>She's the cherry pie girl.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's gonna make an appearance in the We're
<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about her in just a minute a little
<v Speaker 2>more in depth. She's in the One Bitten Twice Shy video.
<v Speaker 1>Be sure and go back and check out our top
<v Speaker 1>five songs of nineteen nine because I talk a little
<v Speaker 1>bit about it. Touch on her anyway. Sorry, are we
<v Speaker 1>ready to jump in track by track? Now?
<v Speaker 2>Let's jump in track by track?
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Song number one off of the album is a
<v Speaker 1>song called move It. Okay. I'm not sure why. We
<v Speaker 1>start off with the sound of a bus taking off.
<v Speaker 2>The beginning of a journey, right right.
<v Speaker 1>Well that the intro to the song is such a
<v Speaker 1>slow burn. If you were arguing that these guys were
<v Speaker 1>hair metal, I'd say, okay, let's listen to the beginning
<v Speaker 1>of this song, because this is not a hair metal
<v Speaker 1>way to start a song. This is a slow blues
<v Speaker 1>burn that builds and builds, builds until Mark Kendall's raging
<v Speaker 1>guitar comes blasting through your speakers.
<v Speaker 2>So this is a great kickoff song, right, Yeah. I
<v Speaker 2>think this is like the start of a concert type
<v Speaker 2>of song where you've got the drummer, you can't quite
<v Speaker 2>see what's happening, the shadows and the lights are moving,
<v Speaker 2>guys are beginning to take their place as you've got
<v Speaker 2>this beginning build. I love this song. I think there's
<v Speaker 2>a great beginning song. It's a good rocker. It's a
<v Speaker 2>great kickoff to the album. Yeah, Okay, I've got this
<v Speaker 2>incredible story that I've been waiting to discuss with you.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you and I have talked a little bit
<v Speaker 2>off air.
<v Speaker 1>About this, but oh I'm excited here. Let's go.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Great White started in nineteen seventy seven or eight.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So listening to Mark Kendall talk it was seventy eight.
<v Speaker 1>He said, Wikipedia is wrong, it was not seventy seven.
<v Speaker 1>He said, I met Jack Russell in seventy eight, and
<v Speaker 1>I got the story on that. If you want to
<v Speaker 1>know how they met, tell me. Yeah. Okay. So Mark Kendall,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously a wicked good guitar player. He is.
<v Speaker 1>He underrated as far as guitar players go. You don't
<v Speaker 1>hear his name come up at all. But he is
<v Speaker 1>phenomenal guitar player. Just take that, babe. I'm gonna leave
<v Speaker 1>you riff that he plays, and it's amazing it. As
<v Speaker 1>a new guitarist, I was like, I want to learn
<v Speaker 1>how to play like that. I went to a guitar
<v Speaker 1>teacher and I said, can you teach me how to
<v Speaker 1>do what he's doing in this song because it's so incredible.
<v Speaker 1>But he was a guy who decided seventeen years old.
<v Speaker 1>He's walking along the beach. He's been learning how to
<v Speaker 1>play guitar, and he says to himself, I am giving
<v Speaker 1>myself only one option. I am going to make it
<v Speaker 1>as a guitarist, and that's it. There is no fallback plan.
<v Speaker 1>I will either be successful as a guitarist or I
<v Speaker 1>will be a bum and those are my only options.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>And so he starts a couple of bands and by
<v Speaker 1>the time he's twenty, he's playing some shows, but he's
<v Speaker 1>not super happy with the singer that he's got. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and somebody just hits him up and he's like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>I saw this kid playing. He was singing in somebody's backyard.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like a backyard party like we talked
<v Speaker 1>about with Van Halen, where people just show up, they
<v Speaker 1>just do stuff. And he goes, this guy could wail.
<v Speaker 1>I mean he could, he could belt. And as it
<v Speaker 1>turns out, that sixteen year old kid was a guy
<v Speaker 1>named Jack Russell.
<v Speaker 2>Man. That's so crazy.
<v Speaker 1>So they get together and Jack listens to Mark's band
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, these guys kind of suck. Would you like,
<v Speaker 1>maybe me and you form our own band, And Mark
<v Speaker 1>Kendall's like, let's do it. And they drop Mark Kendall's
<v Speaker 1>band that he's in and they form a band called Highway,
<v Speaker 1>which then becomes Live Wire. Then some other stuff happens,
<v Speaker 1>and we'll get into that in just a second.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we got to talk about this. This is one
<v Speaker 2>of the most incredible stories of Great White Yeah, in
<v Speaker 2>a history of a band that has terrible things happen.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the worst.
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the worst, and but it works.
<v Speaker 1>Out something, it does work out. So Mark Kendall is talking.
<v Speaker 1>I mean they're just playing clubs at this point, right, sure,
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, I had jobs and potato chip factories.
<v Speaker 1>I was doing everything I could, he said. I was
<v Speaker 1>out painting the back of the AMPM science, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like the convenience store grocer plays, right, and he goes
<v Speaker 1>and I look down and I see a newspaper that
<v Speaker 1>says winter Man Jack Russell arrested for shooting. And he
<v Speaker 1>was like, Jack Russell, I know a guy named Jack
<v Speaker 1>Russell and that's where he's from. And he's like, I
<v Speaker 1>better go call his mom. He calls his mom and
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I saw this in the paper. Is this Jack?
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, yep, that's Jack.
<v Speaker 2>So Jack Russell had problems with drugs and alcohol from
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning. He and Mark Kendall get together. Jack
<v Speaker 2>Russell is what sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, Yeah, not quite eighteen,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think, yeah, no, right, seventeen yeah, okay, So
<v Speaker 2>at age seventeen, He and this idiot friend of his
<v Speaker 2>decide one of the ways they're gonna get their hands
<v Speaker 2>on drugs since they don't have money, is they're gonna
<v Speaker 2>rob drug dealers.
<v Speaker 1>Brilliant, rights, I mean, that's so patently obvious.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who has drugs drug dealers and who doesn't
<v Speaker 2>call cops drug dealers? There you go, right, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>this is a brilliant plan.
<v Speaker 1>But then you do you have to take that next
<v Speaker 1>step of what do they do? Instead of yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, right, all right, So Jack Arrels sold his buddy
<v Speaker 2>go to this well known drug dealer's house and it's
<v Speaker 2>like rattel Jimmy, I mean, it's like nice, It's like
<v Speaker 2>a mansion, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is this the mansion built by Bugsy Siegel?
<v Speaker 2>But we've talked about him many times. But he's got
<v Speaker 2>a twenty two pistol okay, twenty two caliber, huh, which
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about. It's not a big bullet, but it
<v Speaker 2>is quite enough to kill somebody, that's right. Yeah, got
<v Speaker 2>the ski mask on. He breaks in and the only
<v Speaker 2>person in there at the moment is the maid. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>she's Vietnamese. She doesn't speak great English, and he comes
<v Speaker 2>up with the ski mask on. At first she thinks
<v Speaker 2>he's joking, Like, she thinks it's a joke, right, He says,
<v Speaker 2>where's the coke, pointing the gun at her, where's the cock?
<v Speaker 2>Where's the coke? She's like in the fridge, in the fridge,
<v Speaker 2>and she said, no coke, pepsi And he said that
<v Speaker 2>at that moment he knew it was just not going right.
<v Speaker 2>She runs off and hides like in a closet, and
<v Speaker 2>he's coming back and he's like banging on the door
<v Speaker 2>and he's blackout, high out of his mind, like he
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really remember any of this, and this is what
<v Speaker 2>the court reporters have read back to him. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>he comes back and he's banging on the closet, going
<v Speaker 2>where's the coke? Where's the coke? Well, next thing he knows,
<v Speaker 2>he's wandering around. He's arrested by the police. They take
<v Speaker 2>him down and they're like, why did you shoot her?
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, shoot who what are you talking about?
<v Speaker 2>They're like, you shot the maid. It's like, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>shoot the maid. Well, he shot the maid.
<v Speaker 1>I shot the store clerk. I shot the store clerk exactly.
<v Speaker 2>Because a viddy so he fires through a solid oak
<v Speaker 2>door with a twenty two bullet. It hits a Saint
<v Speaker 2>Christopher's medallion that she's wearing, and Rick Achet's.
<v Speaker 1>Off of her heart.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Like the medallion protects that bullet from killing her.
<v Speaker 2>He said at that moment that medallion saved her life
<v Speaker 2>and his. Yeah, he gets eight years in.
<v Speaker 1>Jail, sentenced to eight years. Now can you imagine, as
<v Speaker 1>I mean from Mark Kendall's perspective, like he's just formed
<v Speaker 1>this band, just gotten it together. It sounds great, they're
<v Speaker 1>doing great, they're moving up, and then help start this
<v Speaker 1>crap all over again.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. This is not nobody. Jack Russell has an incredible voice.
<v Speaker 1>Well, what are you gonna do? He's in prison for
<v Speaker 1>eight years.
<v Speaker 2>Eight years. Guess what he's out in eleven months. Wikipedia
<v Speaker 2>says he served eighteen months. I heard Jack Russell himself
<v Speaker 2>say eleven months because he knows it's for sure because
<v Speaker 2>he signed his record deal within the year. Within twelve
<v Speaker 2>months of shooting the maid. He had signed a record deal.
<v Speaker 2>Eleven months later he walks away.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did all of the programs because he was
<v Speaker 1>I believe, just under eighteen years old. Whenever this happened.
<v Speaker 1>He was able to take advancege of like the youthful
<v Speaker 1>offender programs that they have and build himself up all
<v Speaker 1>of these points, which knocked down what is the total
<v Speaker 1>of his sentence?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, all the while this is happening, Mark Kendall's
<v Speaker 2>auditioning other singers for Great White. Actually wasn't Great White
<v Speaker 2>at the time.
<v Speaker 1>No, no, it wasn't. So yeah, he has to rebuild.
<v Speaker 1>So he pulls Donnie Costa for bass yep, and Tony
<v Speaker 1>Richards for drums yep. And if you're a WASP fan,
<v Speaker 1>those names are familiar because they both went on to
<v Speaker 1>play for Wasp after that. Yep. And he gets a
<v Speaker 1>singer named Butch Say. It sounds like Rob Halford from
<v Speaker 1>Jewish Priest. Yeah right, yep. And then this female singer
<v Speaker 1>shows up. Her name is Lisa Baker, and they're like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>she's better, and they dump but Say and Lisa Baker
<v Speaker 1>becomes their singer, and that's when they give themselves the
<v Speaker 1>name Dante Fox.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of an interesting name. Yeah, you know, you get
<v Speaker 2>Britney Fox a couple of years later.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's true, But what happens is Lisa Baker. It's
<v Speaker 1>invited by another guy to join his band. The band's
<v Speaker 1>name is Exciter and the guy who invited her to
<v Speaker 1>come join is a guy named George Lynch. And if
<v Speaker 1>you know who Dawkin is and you know what Lynch
<v Speaker 1>Mob is, you know who George Lynch is.
<v Speaker 2>George Lynch is one of the truly I mean we
<v Speaker 2>talk about great guitar players. He is aficionado. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>this guy is unbelievable. And then Jack Russell gets released.
<v Speaker 2>Guess what, guys, I'm free, and they're like, well, we
<v Speaker 2>already got a singer. And he's like, let me audition.
<v Speaker 2>If I don't make your audition, I'll go away. I'll
<v Speaker 2>leave you alone. You won't hear from me, right, And
<v Speaker 2>so he comes in and auditions, and Mark Kendall's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we need to have Jack sing for us, and Costa
<v Speaker 2>is like, yeah, we need to have Jack Russell come
<v Speaker 2>sing for us. The guy that voted against him was
<v Speaker 2>Tony Richards. Tony Richards like, I kind of like the
<v Speaker 2>way Butch sings and they're like, dude, shut up, We're
<v Speaker 2>not going to just cover Brue Judas Priest for the
<v Speaker 2>rest of our life, right, get that guy out of
<v Speaker 2>here and bring in Jack Russell, and so that's that's
<v Speaker 2>what happens, and the band comes back together and they
<v Speaker 2>begin performing as Dante's Fox. And when they're performing together,
<v Speaker 2>there's an interesting dynamic that they do. Okay, they have
<v Speaker 2>basically a dark side and a light side on the stage.
<v Speaker 2>So Donnie Costa will dress like all in black.
<v Speaker 1>He like put he puts like cheese graters on his
<v Speaker 1>guitar so that he can make his knuckles bleed while
<v Speaker 1>he's playing, like he looks like a demon. And then
<v Speaker 1>Mark Kendall is on the other side of the stage
<v Speaker 1>and he's in like a white jumpsuit and he's got
<v Speaker 1>blonde like shot like almost white blonde hair, and he's
<v Speaker 1>playing a white guitar. And so it's this duality. And
<v Speaker 1>every time he would introduce him for a solo, Jack
<v Speaker 1>Russell would say great white people, and that's he would
<v Speaker 1>introduce Mark Kendall as great white But we got to
<v Speaker 1>move on. Song number two.
<v Speaker 2>Song number two is called Heart the Hunter.
<v Speaker 1>That is an incredible hook.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is.
<v Speaker 1>This is a great song.
<v Speaker 2>This is a great song. Is If you like this song,
<v Speaker 2>I mean you'll like the rest of the songs on
<v Speaker 2>this album, and they have a kind of a formula
<v Speaker 2>that works for them. It's crunchy guitars, it's passionate vocals,
<v Speaker 2>heavy drums, it's a lot of fun. I like it.
<v Speaker 1>I would say that the chorus on this one, the
<v Speaker 1>hooky chorus, it kind of reminds me of the early
<v Speaker 1>days of def Leppard, Like this is something that you
<v Speaker 1>get off of High and Dry or maybe Pyromania. That's
<v Speaker 1>just the way that the chorus, I don't know sounds
<v Speaker 1>to me, has got that kind of feel to it.
<v Speaker 2>You could easily slide and die hard the Hunter.
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Okay, So they're now together as Dante's Fox.
<v Speaker 1>They're doing these white and black shows, right, and they're
<v Speaker 1>doing demos. And one of the bands that's there in
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood performing at the same time is a band called
<v Speaker 1>Docin Yep, and Don Docan is friends with these guys. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and so he hits up this guy named Alan Niven
<v Speaker 1>to come watch them. He's like, you, guys, you've got
<v Speaker 1>to hear these guys. They need management. Come come listen
<v Speaker 1>to them play. Alan Niven goes and listens to them
<v Speaker 1>play and thinks, no, they're not for me.
<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>And Don's like, did you hear him play? And he's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>not for me. He's like, nah, go back and listen again.
<v Speaker 1>He goes and listens again, comes back again and he's like, no,
<v Speaker 1>they're they're not They're not my guys now. Alan Niven
<v Speaker 1>is is a very up and coming guy. I mean
<v Speaker 1>his he and his partners have signed Molly Crue, they've
<v Speaker 1>signed Berlin throw back to our Top Gun episode. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, this is just not this doesn't
<v Speaker 1>fit within our stuff. And Don Dowcin is like, let
<v Speaker 1>me go to a show with you, okay, Yeah, And
<v Speaker 1>so they go to the show together and it's like
<v Speaker 1>the end of the show, Alan seems unmoved, and then
<v Speaker 1>they come out with an encore, right, and they do
<v Speaker 1>an encore of a humble Pie song, and the humble
<v Speaker 1>Pie song is called I Don't Need No Doctor's point.
<v Speaker 1>At the point, Alan Evan is like, Okay, I can
<v Speaker 1>work with these guys.
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, his voice, I mean, he sounds very Robert Plant
<v Speaker 2>and yet better than Robert Plant.
<v Speaker 1>Well I don't want to go there, but there he
<v Speaker 1>was there. He has those moments. His voice is incredible.
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to think of a different name because he
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't like Dante's Fox and like they Dante's Fox.
<v Speaker 1>The end of the band drives by in a limo
<v Speaker 1>and Mark Kendall is sticking his head out of the
<v Speaker 1>window and is like whoo and you know, just being
<v Speaker 1>a crazy, you know, twenty something year old guy, right.
<v Speaker 1>And one of their fans is standing next to Alan
<v Speaker 1>Niven and he's like, there goes great White.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, that's it. That's what we name the band.
<v Speaker 2>They do their first gig at the Tribute or in Hollywood.
<v Speaker 2>But here's the key. So I heard Jack Russell talk
<v Speaker 2>about this somehow or another. Alan Niven convinces the DJs
<v Speaker 2>at k M E T and KLOS, which are rock
<v Speaker 2>stations in Los Angeles, to start playing songs off of
<v Speaker 2>their original EP, and he says that never happens, like
<v Speaker 2>you don't get an unsigned band who's dropping an EP
<v Speaker 2>and convinced the rock radio station in Los Angeles to
<v Speaker 2>play your stuff?
<v Speaker 1>Right. And in case you don't know who Alan Niven is,
<v Speaker 1>if that name is meaningless to you, not only did
<v Speaker 1>he manage Berlin, not only did he manage Motley Crue
<v Speaker 1>during their early days. He also manage this band that
<v Speaker 1>you might i've heard of, Cold Guns N' Roses just
<v Speaker 1>side story, side story here. He was their manager up
<v Speaker 1>until just before the release of Use Your Illusions and
<v Speaker 1>like the two the usual Illusion one and two.
<v Speaker 2>Go back and listen to those episodes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Axel Rose wanted him out. The rest of the
<v Speaker 1>band was like, no, Alan's great, why do we And
<v Speaker 1>Alan's like, and then Axel's like, I'm not going to
<v Speaker 1>finish these albums until we get rid of Alan Nevin. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>what a dick.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not singing another note until we dump our manager.
<v Speaker 1>Sucks.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So because of this, they get a little notoriety
<v Speaker 2>in LA which I love this story. Yeah, Like they
<v Speaker 2>feel like, oh man, we have made it because they
<v Speaker 2>played six Flags Magic Mountain in front of six thousand people.
<v Speaker 1>That's a big deal, dude.
<v Speaker 2>Six Flags Magic Mountain sounds like a fantastic gig too. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And so that summer they begin touring. They tour with Whitesnake,
<v Speaker 2>they tour with Judas Priests, they tour with Kiss docin Scorpions.
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of a who's who of early eighties bands
<v Speaker 2>right there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And So during this time they had recorded an
<v Speaker 1>EP called Out of the Night, and after that six
<v Speaker 1>Flags act, that's when Emi comes and says, hey, we
<v Speaker 1>want to sign you. And then, like you said, they
<v Speaker 1>start touring with those guys. Now here's the story that
<v Speaker 1>I was I was gonna blow your mind with. Oh yeah, okay, okay.
<v Speaker 1>So while they're doing their Judas Priest tour, they are
<v Speaker 1>without a drum riser and they're like, hey, we need
<v Speaker 1>a drum riser for the show that we're doing, and
<v Speaker 1>the engineer is like, oh, hey, I know an old
<v Speaker 1>rocker here who's nearby. He's got a drum riser. He'll
<v Speaker 1>totally let us use it. So they go over to
<v Speaker 1>his house and they say to this guy, They're like,
<v Speaker 1>can we use your drum riser? He's like, yeah, can
<v Speaker 1>I come see the concert? And so they're like yeah sure.
<v Speaker 1>So he lends them their drum riser and then rides
<v Speaker 1>on their tour bus like a taxi over to the
<v Speaker 1>show and watches this show right right now? This is
<v Speaker 1>this is nineteen eighty two, eighty three, right. Do you
<v Speaker 1>know who the old rocker is? No, this is Ozzie.
<v Speaker 1>Who is this? This guy named Ian Hunter.
<v Speaker 2>Get out of Town. That is a fantastic nugget.
<v Speaker 1>No way, yes, Yeah, Like years before Once Bitten Twice
<v Speaker 1>Shy has come out. They are hooking up with Ian Hunter,
<v Speaker 1>getting a drum riser, and he's coming out to their show.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's just an old has been rocker at
<v Speaker 1>this point that they just are like, oh, hey, make friends.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're gonna talk about if you don't know why,
<v Speaker 2>that's such a mind blowing.
<v Speaker 1>Fact, it's gonna come up.
<v Speaker 2>Hang tie, hold tight.
<v Speaker 1>Okay Ian Hunter remember the name.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a great nugget. Yeah, okay, So let's
<v Speaker 2>move on to the next song. This song is called
<v Speaker 2>Highway Nights.
<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned that they play with a formula. Could
<v Speaker 1>this be any more like move it? I mean, once again,
<v Speaker 1>we start with the sound of a bus us waving
<v Speaker 1>again and then it's a gradual build blues song. It's great.
<v Speaker 1>I like the music, but I'm like, I feel like
<v Speaker 1>you should have spaced these a little more than just Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>One song in the We've Got a We've Got a
<v Speaker 1>Bus intro sandwich with the first three songs on this.
<v Speaker 2>Album right, and the drums to be sound very John Baum.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think more led Zeppelin in this one.
<v Speaker 1>This is There on the Road song, like every band
<v Speaker 1>has to have There on the Road song. This is
<v Speaker 1>the you know, Highway Nights, redtail Lights lead.
<v Speaker 2>My every band has this song light On.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, do you remember the early name for
<v Speaker 2>the band Highway Highway. Okay, so let's move on to
<v Speaker 2>the next song. This song is called the Angel Song.
<v Speaker 3>Angel Retailing, Combatita Lively, Treats You Bad Shows, Raision Star,
<v Speaker 3>and Scott Way.
<v Speaker 1>Both of these songs are obviously minor chord songs, right,
<v Speaker 1>that's right, Yeah, like Save All Your Love, I'm Feeling
<v Speaker 1>e minor, the Angel Song, I'm feeling a minor. It's like, yes,
<v Speaker 1>this is a minor key sad power ballot, but now
<v Speaker 1>we got piano instead of the cool guitar. But I
<v Speaker 1>still I love it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's the power ballad on this album that
<v Speaker 2>makes me want to weep because it's so good. This
<v Speaker 2>was the second single. This reached number thirty on the
<v Speaker 2>Hot one hundred, which again it deserved better.
<v Speaker 1>In eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this song is about innocence, broken dreams, disappointment, death.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I would say that the lyrically it's very
<v Speaker 2>similar to Fly to the Angels by Slaughter, which, right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's about death. Every band in the eighties
<v Speaker 2>to have a successful album, you had to have a
<v Speaker 2>really good power ballad to go along with your rockers.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it. So this one. Writing credits include Mark
<v Speaker 1>Kendall and Alan Nivin. Yeah, you know Mark Kendall. It
<v Speaker 1>was neat to watch him, watch him be interviewed because
<v Speaker 1>he's he's always this guy that's kind of struck me
<v Speaker 1>as an aloof kind of you know, untouchable guy. But
<v Speaker 1>then when I've seen his interviews, he is the most friendly,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like just does tons of interviews, very cordial,
<v Speaker 1>very well spoken, great, just very friendly guy, great telling
<v Speaker 1>a story, all of this stuff. So it was it
<v Speaker 1>was great to see him talk. But he mentioned when
<v Speaker 1>the question came up about Alan Nivin writing some of
<v Speaker 1>their songs, he was like, yeah, you know, like we
<v Speaker 1>all have our weaknesses. I have my weaknesses, and Jack
<v Speaker 1>at that point was not strong on coming up with
<v Speaker 1>lyrics for the song. You know, incredible voice, could do
<v Speaker 1>whatever you wanted him to with the lyrics you gave him.
<v Speaker 1>He just wasn't great about coming up with words, and
<v Speaker 1>so Alan just kind of came in and it was
<v Speaker 1>something where it would be suggestions at first, and then
<v Speaker 1>it was, hey, I wrote these lyrics for you, what
<v Speaker 1>do you think? And he said, you know, the whole
<v Speaker 1>band would be involved in the writing process, and everybody's
<v Speaker 1>suggestions were taken and considered. But Alan really kind of
<v Speaker 1>stepped in to become a lyric writer for them on
<v Speaker 1>this album, more so than he had been previously.
<v Speaker 2>By the way that piano is played by band member
<v Speaker 2>Michael Lardie. Okay, I've got a quote from him, a
<v Speaker 2>stinging quote. Oh they we'll talk about later.
<v Speaker 1>Oh all right, okay, Street.
<v Speaker 2>They're making beautiful music here, not so much later.
<v Speaker 1>There are things that happen with rock bands from time
<v Speaker 1>to time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm spiking the football. This is the best song
<v Speaker 2>on the album. Ooh, okay, I love me some power ballad.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, that's interesting that you say that, because I
<v Speaker 1>hollered at Kevin Davis before this episode, because he and
<v Speaker 1>I had talked about the Cult and he said, you know,
<v Speaker 1>he'd seen the Cult live like several times. I don't
<v Speaker 1>remember how many times it was, but like three at least.
<v Speaker 1>So today I was like Hey, what do you think
<v Speaker 1>about a Great White? You know the band, and he said,
<v Speaker 1>love it. Favorite song, it's the Bone.
<v Speaker 2>It's bluesy, I love it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a great one. This is a great one,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, subtle suggestions of the band.
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was a single because I've heard a
<v Speaker 2>lot of radio play from this one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I talked to Chris Webber Pete remember
<v Speaker 2>Chris Webber today on the phone, and was asking him
<v Speaker 2>if he had any memories of Great White. He said
<v Speaker 2>he had a friend who was at a just a
<v Speaker 2>music festival in New Orleans. He called it Howling Wolf,
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not familiar with, but his buddy was just
<v Speaker 2>sitting there and looked over and like did a double take,
<v Speaker 2>and there's Jack Russell of Great White when watching a
<v Speaker 2>band perform. And he walked over to him. He's like, Hi,
<v Speaker 2>are you Jack Russell. He's like, yeah, good to meet
<v Speaker 2>you and shook hands talked for a few minutes. That's awesome,
<v Speaker 2>just a man among the people.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's funny that you say that. So I asked Kevin,
<v Speaker 1>did you ever see them live? Because he had mentioned
<v Speaker 1>seeing the Cult live, and he said, I saw Jack
<v Speaker 1>Russell's Great White about five years ago, and they were
<v Speaker 1>very good. And then he said I saw him in
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom for the show, and he said he looked rough,
<v Speaker 1>but he sounded great. Yeah, which is in opposition to
<v Speaker 1>his report on the cult, which we'll talk about when
<v Speaker 1>we get to that app interesting. Yeah. By the way,
<v Speaker 1>Patrian member Kevin Dates, we love you guys.
<v Speaker 2>I listened to a podcast where Eddie Trunk was interviewing
<v Speaker 2>Jack Russell. And he's done all these terrible things to
<v Speaker 2>his body, and his health has been terribly poor. At
<v Speaker 2>times he's had to use a cane, but he's never
<v Speaker 2>lost that unbelievable voice. Yeah, this bite mistreating it with drugs, alcohol, cigarettes.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you told you were the one that told me
<v Speaker 1>the story about his doctor telling him, in no uncertain terms,
<v Speaker 1>what would happen if he had another drink?
<v Speaker 2>Right, yes, and I'll tell you that story here in
<v Speaker 2>just a few minutes. All right, all right, hit stop
<v Speaker 2>on your tape player, kick it out, flip it over
<v Speaker 2>side to This song is called Baby's on Fire.
<v Speaker 1>Got to go down because I need a distraction. I've
<v Speaker 1>been trying it on with everyone in sight. She's been
<v Speaker 1>waiting so long for me to come tonight. Another bit
<v Speaker 1>of subtle suggestion and the lyrics by a hard rock fans.
<v Speaker 2>It that's it. So, I mean, this is the formula, right,
<v Speaker 2>it's crutchy guitars, it's pounding drums, it's funky blues.
<v Speaker 1>Sign I mean talk about a long intro. I mean
<v Speaker 1>you're a full minute and nearly fifteen seconds into the
<v Speaker 1>song before you realize, oh, this is not just a
<v Speaker 1>guitar solo. Right, this song does have lyrics and I
<v Speaker 1>like it. It's fine, right, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Now.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be too clever with this, but
<v Speaker 2>based on the title of this song, Baby's on Fire, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think we need to talk about February twentieth, two
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what you're referring to was a fire at the Station,
<v Speaker 1>which was a big club in Rhode Island. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's an incredible event because that night,
<v Speaker 1>we need to say. The band split up in two
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one. Jack Russell's addiction had gotten too much
<v Speaker 1>of you know, his bender went on too long. The
<v Speaker 1>band couldn't depend on him now. Sadly, they just kind
<v Speaker 1>of quit returning his phone calls. He was kind of
<v Speaker 1>irritated that. He's like, I understand. He goes, if somebody
<v Speaker 1>in my band now was behaving like that, I would
<v Speaker 1>fire them. That's what I would do. I would fire them,
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, But they didn't fire me. They just
<v Speaker 1>quit talking to me. Right, It's not the thing that
<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody you've been friends with and toured with
<v Speaker 1>and worked with for the last fifteen years should be doing.
<v Speaker 1>And I mean it's at two thousand and one, we're
<v Speaker 1>closer to twenty at that point.
<v Speaker 2>But well it's back it up just a step from there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety two, during the making of Psycho City, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Jack and Mark both became clean and sober. Yeah, with
<v Speaker 2>the help of Steven Tyler.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, right right, Yeah, they.
<v Speaker 2>Quit drinking, quit smoking, they got fit, they like worked
<v Speaker 2>out right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then still ugly though. Sorry, guys, I just
<v Speaker 1>I pointed out to Jason, like, I think another reason
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't fall into the hairband scenarios. These guys are
<v Speaker 1>not musicians, right, They got some they got some interesting
<v Speaker 1>look about them, not what I would describe as a
<v Speaker 1>pretty boy act. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>So after eight years of being clean and sober. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>in the year two thousand, they both both Jack and
<v Speaker 2>Mark fell off the wagon.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 2>Jack said he went from like friendly drinking to freebasing
<v Speaker 2>like that. Wow, he said, It's just he cannot be trusted.
<v Speaker 2>He is a full blown alcoholic drug addict and can't
<v Speaker 2>be around it at all ever. Right, and so when
<v Speaker 2>the band broke up in two thousand and one, Mark
<v Speaker 2>got clean and sober again and could just could not
<v Speaker 2>be around a drug addict.
<v Speaker 1>The thing was is that when they split up, as
<v Speaker 1>weird as that was, the question was who gets to
<v Speaker 1>keep being Great White?
<v Speaker 4>Right?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because I mean to hear Jack Russell say it,
<v Speaker 1>he was like, I didn't get fired. I fired everybody else.
<v Speaker 1>And so it was it's and so what if you know,
<v Speaker 1>the litigation or whatever it was that they had to
<v Speaker 1>get through things. It then became Jack Russell's Great White
<v Speaker 1>and it was just him singing with an entirely different
<v Speaker 1>band for quite a while. And then, as you said,
<v Speaker 1>we have this kind of weird thing that happens the
<v Speaker 1>night that they play at the station in Rhode Island,
<v Speaker 1>where they don't build themselves as Jack Russell's Great White,
<v Speaker 1>They just build themselves as great White. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So in two thousand and two, Jack Russell reached out
<v Speaker 2>to Mark Kendall and said, hey, man, it's been a while.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think you want to try and do
<v Speaker 2>this thing again. So the two of them got together
<v Speaker 2>with another couple of dudes, different guys that you know,
<v Speaker 2>we're not in the original man, right, And so Mark
<v Speaker 2>Kendall joined him on this tour. And then in February
<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and three, they're playing this local club
<v Speaker 2>in Rhode Island called the Station, called the Station, yep,
<v Speaker 2>the Station Nightclub, and they set fire to a pyrotechnic
<v Speaker 2>as the concert's starting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was their tour manager. They had just they
<v Speaker 1>were just opening the show. Their opening song was Desert Moon.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay. And I don't know what goes on
<v Speaker 1>in people's heads on why they decide things were a
<v Speaker 1>good idea. But the guy's name was Daniel Lachelle yep.
<v Speaker 1>And he ignited flammable acoustic foam on both sides and
<v Speaker 1>the top center of the drummer's alcove at the back
<v Speaker 1>of the stage.
<v Speaker 2>All right, So I heard the story on why that
<v Speaker 2>stuff was there. This is kind of an interesting story
<v Speaker 2>in itself. So there had been a lot of noise
<v Speaker 2>complaints around this club, and so they put all this
<v Speaker 2>foam on the walls to keep the sound from going
<v Speaker 2>out and disturbing people in the neighborhood. Oh okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Well that foam was extremely flammable, and when you light
<v Speaker 2>a giant pyrotechnic next to something super flammable, you have
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and thirty people injured and one hundred people killed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was The design of the club was bad.
<v Speaker 1>The club was bury old, like one hundred years old.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's just alcohol soaked wood. The design of
<v Speaker 1>the club. The entrance has a hallway, like you're immediately
<v Speaker 1>in a hallway. So when the fire started and it
<v Speaker 1>was fast, it was fast. One of the owners was
<v Speaker 1>there and he was near the entrance and so he
<v Speaker 1>immediately got out, but he was like he was having
<v Speaker 1>to scream at people to get out of the way
<v Speaker 1>of the door so that other people could get out
<v Speaker 1>because the fire was coming so quickly. The bouncer who
<v Speaker 1>was there, I mean, this was a guy who was
<v Speaker 1>beloved in the community. He'd actually been on Letterman multiple times.
<v Speaker 1>I think the stupid human tricks he just had a
<v Speaker 1>weird He had an operation at some point in his
<v Speaker 1>life that gave him the like it was a operation
<v Speaker 1>for something that a side effect was he could balance
<v Speaker 1>anything on his chin, Like he put a full sized
<v Speaker 1>canoe on his chin and balance it, or a human
<v Speaker 1>being on a stand and bounce it. So he would
<v Speaker 1>be on Letterman on these stupid human tricks. He's working
<v Speaker 1>as a bouncer at this club, and you watched the
<v Speaker 1>documentary on this and his brothers. He's saying in ninety
<v Speaker 1>seconds he went in and out of that club nine times,
<v Speaker 1>grabbing people and bringing them out. And the interviewers like,
<v Speaker 1>how do you know it was nine times? And the
<v Speaker 1>guy says, because I've had nine families come and tell
<v Speaker 1>me your brother saved my life, saved my son's life,
<v Speaker 1>saved my daughter, wife whoever's life. So this amazing guy
<v Speaker 1>goes back in and out so many times that trying
<v Speaker 1>to save people that on timey number ten, he doesn't
<v Speaker 1>make it out.
<v Speaker 2>You know who else was killed was one of the
<v Speaker 2>guitarists in the band. Yeah, his name was Ty Longley. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>young guy married, she was pregnant, Yeah, three months pregnant,
<v Speaker 2>and he knew somebody in the crowd and was trying
<v Speaker 2>to protect them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was an exit at the back of the stage,
<v Speaker 1>and that the rest of the band goes out that
<v Speaker 1>back just like it. Yep. Yeah, But because he had
<v Speaker 1>had a friend in the crowd, he was like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to leave my buddy behind, right, you know,
<v Speaker 1>how would you feel if you did exit through the
<v Speaker 1>easy exit and then your buddy dies? So it makes
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense, But you were telling me he took
<v Speaker 1>his guitar with him.
<v Speaker 2>He used his guitar to break windows to get people out,
<v Speaker 2>And we looked at there's a great diagram in the
<v Speaker 2>picture of it. You and I were looking at it
<v Speaker 2>were like, well, there's a giant bottleneck. You just can't
<v Speaker 2>get out fast enough.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>It was the deadliest fireworks accident in US history and
<v Speaker 2>the second deadliest nightclub incident.
<v Speaker 1>The owners of the club were charged criminally with this.
<v Speaker 1>I think they were ultimately acquitted, and I felt listening
<v Speaker 1>to him talk. I felt bad for him. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>they were guys who just were you know, they made
<v Speaker 1>an investment in a club. They were actually trying to
<v Speaker 1>sell it like it was on the market.
<v Speaker 2>Sheesh Well and Daniel the tour manager, he lights the pyrotechnice,
<v Speaker 2>he gets fifteen years, he serves four. You know why
<v Speaker 2>he got out or why he was paroled so quickly
<v Speaker 2>because family members went to bat for him, like people
<v Speaker 2>who lost members of their family in the fire. They
<v Speaker 2>were like, that's not this guy's fault. He didn't need
<v Speaker 2>a rotten jail forever. Wow, he's paid his price, let's
<v Speaker 2>get him out.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>I hate to bring the podcast down, but you cannot
<v Speaker 2>talk about the history of Great White without discussing this
<v Speaker 2>incredible fire.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a monumental event in their history for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we need to move on. Let's let's
<v Speaker 1>let's go back to happier times. Let's go move on
<v Speaker 1>to our next song that's not Babies on Fire.
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the House of Broken Left.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna say that this is my favorite song
<v Speaker 1>on this album.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised that you love it.
<v Speaker 1>And if it's not also David Wright's favorite song, I'll
<v Speaker 1>eat my hat.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>This is so Blue Jean Blues by Zezy Top, Like
<v Speaker 1>it's just that slow, just my heart is ripped in half.
<v Speaker 1>The blues of the blues, like truly sad blues, which
<v Speaker 1>is appropriate for how the song came to be, you
<v Speaker 1>know this story.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so Mark and Jack Russell had just recently
<v Speaker 2>gone through these terrible breakups.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, divorce for Jack Russell.
<v Speaker 2>Divorce, his first divorce. And they're sitting there like looking
<v Speaker 2>pitiful on the amps, you know, waiting to begin in
<v Speaker 2>practice or whatever, like bummed out. And Alan even comes in.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, what is this the house of broken love.
<v Speaker 3>With the devil? Help the devil in the.
<v Speaker 2>Broken love, which I think is hilarious. Yeah, but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they were just in the dumps going through breakup.
<v Speaker 1>How many times have you heard somebody say something and
<v Speaker 1>you're like, that'd be a good songtime, Yeah, exactly. And
<v Speaker 1>then I could just imagine that's a broken love. That's
<v Speaker 1>a broken love, Like that got something we could do
<v Speaker 1>with that? That's it.
<v Speaker 2>At least I got something out of this divorce. This
<v Speaker 2>was the third single Releast January of nineteen ninety that
<v Speaker 2>reached number eighty three on the Hot Whenever.
<v Speaker 1>He is a travesty again, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I I got something for you on this one.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the B side on this one?
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what the B side is b.
<v Speaker 1>Side on this one was Bitches and Other Women and
<v Speaker 1>then the live version of Redhouse, which is an old
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendrix staple song.
<v Speaker 2>So this is like a medley cover of Bitch by
<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stones. It's only rock and Rolled by the
<v Speaker 2>Rolling Stones and Women by Foreigner. So Bitches and Other.
<v Speaker 1>Women, gotcha nice. So we were talking before about you know,
<v Speaker 1>borrowing Ian Hunter's drum riser and him coming to the
<v Speaker 1>concert Judish Priest concert. Now they were with him. I
<v Speaker 1>at that point they had done all these tours. We
<v Speaker 1>talked about it, you know, Kiss Doc and Judas Priest,
<v Speaker 1>White Snake back when White Snake still had Cozy Powell
<v Speaker 1>as a drummer. Yes, there you go. But when they
<v Speaker 1>get back home, hadn't had any significant radio hits. And
<v Speaker 1>EMI is like, listen, guys, we're just not We're not
<v Speaker 1>really going to promote this anymore. And they they've got
<v Speaker 1>a multi record deal with them, but if you don't
<v Speaker 1>get promotion, it's meaningless, right, And so they parted ways
<v Speaker 1>amicably into their contract. But that meant that in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty five they were an unsigned band again. Oh wow.
<v Speaker 1>And so they literally they had T shirts printed up
<v Speaker 1>that said Survive eighty five. Like Alan Even's talking to him,
<v Speaker 1>he's like, do you want to fight? He's talking to
<v Speaker 1>Mark Kendall, He's like, do you want to fight or
<v Speaker 1>do you want to give up? And Mark Kendall's tells
<v Speaker 1>him about when he was seventeen years old walking on
<v Speaker 1>the beach, I said to myself, I am either going
<v Speaker 1>to make it as a guitarist or I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>be a bum and those are my only two options.
<v Speaker 1>And so I want to fight. And so through eighty
<v Speaker 1>five they're trying to live, but they're really going back
<v Speaker 1>to the club scene. And then a magical thing happens.
<v Speaker 1>There's a song that they have called on your Knees okay,
<v Speaker 1>and there's this group of concerns earned parents that get
<v Speaker 1>together called the PMRC.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I remember them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, as it turns its fifteen, the Filthy fifteen
<v Speaker 1>includes a great white song what called on your Knees,
<v Speaker 1>And it's I mean, it's a juvenile like it sounds
<v Speaker 1>if you were an uptight Tipper Gore. It sounds like
<v Speaker 1>a rape song, but it's really just a you know,
<v Speaker 1>rough love kind of song, right sure, And so they
<v Speaker 1>get notoriety even though they're an unsigned band, they get
<v Speaker 1>the notoriety of being on the Filthy fifteen with this
<v Speaker 1>song on your Knees, and so they're thinking, we could
<v Speaker 1>do this. We just have to get another album, right,
<v Speaker 1>But they don't have a record label to cover the
<v Speaker 1>cost of their album. So they're talking to the engineer,
<v Speaker 1>and their engineer is like, Oh, I got a friend
<v Speaker 1>or a cousin or something like that named Fred, who's
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's looking to back a band on something.
<v Speaker 1>And so they borrow fifteen thousand dollars from Fred. Whoever,
<v Speaker 1>Fred Fred?
<v Speaker 2>Right, let's go Fred.
<v Speaker 1>They borrow fifteen thousand dollars for him, and they produced
<v Speaker 1>their own album called Shot in the Dark. So on
<v Speaker 1>Shot of the Dark, they have this song called Face
<v Speaker 1>the Day. Okay, okay, here's here's what Face the Day
<v Speaker 1>sounds like. So, just like they did before, they managed
<v Speaker 1>to get this song played on a few radio stations,
<v Speaker 1>and it actually becomes a kind of a successful song
<v Speaker 1>in Texas and Arizona and ends up being the second
<v Speaker 1>most requested song on KLOS.
<v Speaker 2>A big rock station in Los Angeles.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. So what happens, Capitol Records calls them up. Now
<v Speaker 1>Capitol Records is the parent company of EMI that had
<v Speaker 1>just screwed them over months ago, and Capitol Records. It's like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we like what you're doing out there, how about we
<v Speaker 1>sign you in. They're like, we did it. Like they
<v Speaker 1>managed to survive eighty five. They end up signing with
<v Speaker 1>Capitol Records. They go on the road with docin for
<v Speaker 1>like five shows and one other thing that happens in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, Once Bitten gets released seven No. Eighty five.
<v Speaker 1>What it was a movie?
<v Speaker 2>Jim Carrey and Laura Hutton Jim Carrey.
<v Speaker 1>And Lauren Hutton are in the movie Once Bitten in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five, and are you ready for this? Do
<v Speaker 1>you remember what Jim Carrey's character's name is in that movie? No,
<v Speaker 1>it don't. His name is Mark Kendall. It is.
<v Speaker 2>You're exactly right?
<v Speaker 3>What stop?
<v Speaker 2>That is a mind blowing You're not gonna get that
<v Speaker 2>anywhere else. But it surely can't be serious podcasts. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>great job, dee.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So then of course they released Once Bitten in
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven, and then of course we get you know
<v Speaker 1>twice Shy in nine awesome second last song on the
<v Speaker 1>album she Only Well Once Again twelve string guitar, acoustic
<v Speaker 1>guitar playing some minor chords, power ballad song. This is
<v Speaker 1>a good one. It's acceptable. The melody gives me kind
<v Speaker 1>of this you know, Bible Goes West, you know, Don
<v Speaker 1>Bluth kind of song somebody's singing as they're staring at
<v Speaker 1>the moon, kind of vibe about him. But but it's
<v Speaker 1>not it's not bad. I would enjoy it.
<v Speaker 2>It's not bad, it's good.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>In the movie Twins where you've got Kelly Preston and
<v Speaker 2>her kind of not the best looking sister, yes, right,
<v Speaker 2>so save all your love is Kelly Preston, and then
<v Speaker 2>this one's kind of the you know not, you know,
<v Speaker 2>not as cute sister. Right, go back to our Twins episode.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, that's great. Yeah, so again, I love
<v Speaker 1>the sound of Jack Russell's voice with a twelve string guitar.
<v Speaker 1>And we talked like the voice is the thing that's
<v Speaker 1>stuck with him, right, didn't you tell me, like he's
<v Speaker 1>you don't even have a house now.
<v Speaker 2>He lives on a boat. He lives on a boat,
<v Speaker 2>which we both agreed it sounds kind of fitting for
<v Speaker 2>this kind of old.
<v Speaker 1>Rocker, you know. Yeah, sure, I mean Why why worry
<v Speaker 1>about property taxes?
<v Speaker 2>Exactly right? Yeah, he says, he just lives on this
<v Speaker 2>booney fishes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he likes to. Hey, it turns out he does
<v Speaker 1>love sharks. I mean, if this guy hasn't gone shark
<v Speaker 1>fishing on his houseboat, there's something wrong, something right, right,
<v Speaker 1>that's right.
<v Speaker 2>You know I told you that in two thousand he relapsed.
<v Speaker 2>He and both he and Mark k relapsed and he
<v Speaker 2>went instantly to free racing cocaine. And you know, he
<v Speaker 2>got down to one hundred and thirty seven pounds right,
<v Speaker 2>had to use a cane. He went into a coma.
<v Speaker 2>His liver shut down, and while he was in this coma,
<v Speaker 2>doctor told his wife, I don't think he's going to
<v Speaker 2>make it right. You need to prepare yourself.
<v Speaker 1>He's not going to leave, okay. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>Well when he did, he said, he told her, you know,
<v Speaker 2>if he takes another drink, he dies, like this is
<v Speaker 2>not okay. He needs to dial it back. No, he
<v Speaker 2>needs to cut it out or else. And he said
<v Speaker 2>that was exactly what he needed to have because he
<v Speaker 2>is just a raging alcoholic. And he used that word
<v Speaker 2>raging alcoholic. He said, I just cannot handle it and
<v Speaker 2>so I have to be abstinate. I mentioned earlier that
<v Speaker 2>Marc A. Lardie, who was in the band with him,
<v Speaker 2>kind of made a cutting comment in the twenty tens
<v Speaker 2>when he's like full on drug addict stage. They all
<v Speaker 2>went to Janeye Lane's funeral, which Jannie Lane died of
<v Speaker 2>alcohol poisoning. He married Bobby Brown. Janie Lane was the
<v Speaker 2>lead singer for Warrant Right, Yes, flash back to our
<v Speaker 2>best of eighty nine where you picked a song and
<v Speaker 2>I picked a song and they weren't the same.
<v Speaker 1>Just leap yourself there.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, he's a full on, raging drug addict
<v Speaker 2>at this moment, and he's in the bathroom and he
<v Speaker 2>hears his former bandmate say, in reference to Jack Russell,
<v Speaker 2>why doesn't that guy just die already? Wow? He said
<v Speaker 2>that comment hurt him really bad. He's like, I don't
<v Speaker 2>mind that they didn't want to be in a band
<v Speaker 2>with me, but that one really hurt.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and Lauren Black, who was their bassist, he
<v Speaker 1>died as well from his drug addiction. So it's just
<v Speaker 1>a tragic I mean, it's it's a rough industry to
<v Speaker 1>get in in the eighties and make it out Alive
<v Speaker 1>Drugs Kids. Yeah, so Once Bitten gets certified platinum by
<v Speaker 1>April of eighty eight. Okay, And so they go out
<v Speaker 1>on a year long tour and they are touring with
<v Speaker 1>T and T, David Lee, Roth, White Snake probably the
<v Speaker 1>new version at this time, Monsters of Rock Tour, Twisted Sister,
<v Speaker 1>and importantly a band mentioned before in case you don't remember,
<v Speaker 1>their name is Guns and Roses. And that's important because
<v Speaker 1>the guitarist, not the lead guitarist, but the rhythm guitarist
<v Speaker 1>for Guns N' Roses, a guy named Izzy Stradlin says
<v Speaker 1>to Alan Niven one day, Hey, these guys have this
<v Speaker 1>album Once Bitten. You know this song by Ian Hunter.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, now, let me play it for you. It's
<v Speaker 1>it's a song called once Bitten twice shy man. So
<v Speaker 1>Alan Niven brings this to the band and they're like, okay, sure,
<v Speaker 1>why not, I know whatever? This is fun. And so,
<v Speaker 1>in case you don't know, Ian Hunter is the guy
<v Speaker 1>who used to be the singer for Mata Hoopel back
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies. Yeah, yeah, and he had split with them.
<v Speaker 1>In his first album out that he called Ian Hunter,
<v Speaker 1>he had this song called once bitten twice shy on it.
<v Speaker 1>It was a minor hit. I hit number fourteen in
<v Speaker 1>the UK, never showed up in the US at all.
<v Speaker 1>Just this kind of minor thing that because is he
<v Speaker 1>straddling the rhythm guitarist for Guns N' Roses is a
<v Speaker 1>well versed musician. He happened to know about it, and
<v Speaker 1>that's how we get to the song that we're about
<v Speaker 1>to play for you, Sad.
<v Speaker 2>This song is so awesome and it just ruled the
<v Speaker 2>summer of nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>This is a fantastic song. I don't care that it
<v Speaker 1>was popular. I still love it. The piano on this,
<v Speaker 1>the funk and fun and the they're just having a
<v Speaker 1>great time playing this song because they have no idea
<v Speaker 1>that they are making a worldwide mega hit song that
<v Speaker 1>will blast the airwaves for the next six months.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. They thought it would be fun to do,
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't really think it's gonna be a hit.
<v Speaker 1>No.
<v Speaker 2>This song goes all the way to number five on
<v Speaker 2>the Hot one hundred. Okay, before you tell me what
<v Speaker 2>the four are that beat it out, because I know
<v Speaker 2>that you have got it. Yeah, they didn't even want
<v Speaker 2>This is the single off the album.
<v Speaker 1>The band didn't even there there. It's like, really you
<v Speaker 1>want this cover? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>No.
<v Speaker 1>The record guys came in and they're like, yes, this
<v Speaker 1>is it. This is the obvious single off of it.
<v Speaker 1>And they're like really, and Alan Niven's like, guys, how
<v Speaker 1>do you not know that this is They're like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>you know they would have picked another song.
<v Speaker 2>Oh this is so fun. I can tell you stories
<v Speaker 2>of me and Patre. I remember Chris Bauer aka Bomber.
<v Speaker 2>We would thump this song as we're going to school,
<v Speaker 2>going to football practice, going all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And in fact, he had the single I've Once betten
<v Speaker 2>Twice Shy, which the B side has a bonus song
<v Speaker 2>that we're gonna talk about once we get done with
<v Speaker 2>this one. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, Now then the hot
<v Speaker 2>one hundred.
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna give me the four songs, the four songs
<v Speaker 1>that beat this one out. Yeah, okay, maybe not the
<v Speaker 1>best way to put that, The four songs that topped
<v Speaker 1>this one on the chart.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I told you this is a kind of
<v Speaker 2>a Hodge nineteen eighty nine. I'm a big proponent of
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, but the musical landscape in eighty nine was
<v Speaker 2>weird because hair metal was there, but it was changing.
<v Speaker 2>You had kind of the rise of sort of R
<v Speaker 2>and B, and then you had sort of rap and
<v Speaker 2>it was just a kind of a hodgepodg So number
<v Speaker 2>four you have So Alive by Love and Rockets.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a big one. Yep. I feel like we
<v Speaker 1>should do a Patreon episode on that one. It's a
<v Speaker 1>great one man.
<v Speaker 2>Number three is Batanance by pra Oh my gosh, maybe
<v Speaker 2>the worst number one song of the eighties. I love
<v Speaker 2>it because all it is is just quoting Batman stuff.
<v Speaker 2>But it's just junk, you know.
<v Speaker 1>It is a bit junky but fun.
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Number two is on our Own by Bobby Brown,
<v Speaker 2>the Ghostbusters two song Wow. And then number one is
<v Speaker 2>right Here Waiting by Richard Marks, the song about Cynthia Rhodes.
<v Speaker 1>They go back to our other Patreon episode where we
<v Speaker 1>can't discuss it because there's a secret.
<v Speaker 2>It's a secret.
<v Speaker 1>That's it. Yes. By the way, guys, if you want
<v Speaker 1>to join our Patreon family, we have some of our
<v Speaker 1>most fun episodes. We cover one hit wonders and other
<v Speaker 1>novelty songs on there. And sometimes it's like a mystery song.
<v Speaker 1>You have to guess what the song is. But if
<v Speaker 1>you guys are interested in doing that, go to Patreon
<v Speaker 1>dot com slash. I got called out on Facebook and
<v Speaker 1>God bless you sir for letting me know mistake. It's
<v Speaker 1>not backslash. There is no backslash in a url slash
<v Speaker 1>Shirley podcast. And you can become a Patreon member where
<v Speaker 1>you will hear all of our super secret episodes that
<v Speaker 1>we share with our Patreon family. Lots of very fun
<v Speaker 1>stuff on that.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I got a nugget for you on one's bitten
<v Speaker 2>twice I d okay, Yeah, all right. So the music
<v Speaker 2>video is directed by our man Nigel Dick.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Nigel Dick.
<v Speaker 2>Nigel Dick, Yes, I do so, and it was huge
<v Speaker 2>on him TV. Right, this is on all the time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we talked about little miss Bobby Brown, yes, who later
<v Speaker 2>went on to become the Cherrypie Girl. She's on the
<v Speaker 2>cover of this album.
<v Speaker 1>Later went on to become the missus.
<v Speaker 2>Jai Lane Lane. Yeah, she's also in the video. You
<v Speaker 2>can see her. She's nineteen or twenty, you know, very beautiful. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>but there are a lot of lady friends from the
<v Speaker 2>band there, right, Yeah, it's just a little big happy
<v Speaker 2>family there. And you know, the band told me they
<v Speaker 2>were the best look in town. I can't say that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that. I gotta no.
<v Speaker 1>You don't leap yourself if you want to, boy, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it's a great video. All it is is
<v Speaker 2>they're in a warehouse and just kind of jamming out
<v Speaker 2>Girl's next, Yeah, hot chicks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it. Fun video, fun song, love it absolutely so.
<v Speaker 1>Ian Hunter, the same guy that had just years before
<v Speaker 1>lent them the drum riser and used their bus as
<v Speaker 1>a taxi to get to the show. His song is
<v Speaker 1>now their biggest hit, and as it turns out, he
<v Speaker 1>gets money from that. He don't get just a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of money, Like this song has probably made him
<v Speaker 1>a million dollars, Like it's it's crazy. But even back
<v Speaker 1>then it's he's it's getting checks in the mail. I
<v Speaker 1>told you he was kind of this washed up. At
<v Speaker 1>this point, he puts a band back together, they start touring.
<v Speaker 1>He starts playing once bit and twice shy, and people
<v Speaker 1>come up to him after the show go why are
<v Speaker 1>you covering a great white song?
<v Speaker 2>Because I love them right, and they gave me a
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Yeah, yeah, I love it all right, Li.
<v Speaker 2>So we've given plenty of warnings about illegal drugs and
<v Speaker 2>how they're terrible for your health and how they almost
<v Speaker 2>I mean they did kill one of the guys in
<v Speaker 2>this band and almost killed everybody else. Yeah, but I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 2>This song is so fun.
<v Speaker 1>We've got to cover two bonus songs. So if you
<v Speaker 1>had the extended version of this album, you got it
<v Speaker 1>later on. This song made it on Wasted Rock Ranger
<v Speaker 1>and another song called slow Ride, which you would say
<v Speaker 1>best two songs on the album.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's in the conversation. I love both of
<v Speaker 2>these songs.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So before we hit Wasted Rock Ranger, because that's
<v Speaker 1>the one we're gonna talk about, I just want to
<v Speaker 1>get a sample of slow Ride for people who have
<v Speaker 1>who may not have heard it.
<v Speaker 3>Go outside.
<v Speaker 1>So when you told me about Wasted Rock Ranger, I
<v Speaker 1>found the extended edition. I saw a slow Ride on here.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, they did a fog Hat cover. No
<v Speaker 1>that is not that's not that slow Ride. This is
<v Speaker 1>a different slow Ride.
<v Speaker 2>I love the song, and thing's great.
<v Speaker 1>You said you thought it. I mean, if it was
<v Speaker 1>on the original album, you said it would have been
<v Speaker 1>one of the top three songs.
<v Speaker 2>I think so, Yeah, I think so.
<v Speaker 1>But the fun, the fun one, the one we're here
<v Speaker 1>that we got to talk about is wasted rock ranger.
<v Speaker 1>Here we go.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm a wasted rock ranger.
<v Speaker 4>I live the life danger all the road, fine, higher high.
<v Speaker 3>I don't need no inspection. I need it's my abjection out.
<v Speaker 3>If you let's follow, get me bye.
<v Speaker 1>This this great white singing country man. This is like
<v Speaker 1>this is like on lies when they go I used
<v Speaker 1>to love her, but I had to kill her. It's
<v Speaker 1>that fun little we're just being crazy and wildly inappropriate.
<v Speaker 1>And who's this trucker that we're listening to at the beginning?
<v Speaker 1>Does he have any idea that they recorded him making
<v Speaker 1>some comment to some poor truck stop?
<v Speaker 2>Probably year, No way, I love this song. It's so
<v Speaker 2>fun man. And he's talking about hanging out with Jimmy
<v Speaker 2>and his friends, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah, So he's he's talking about the
<v Speaker 1>fun of drug addiction.
<v Speaker 4>Right, So hey, your rock razer, sing this song and
<v Speaker 4>follow it. When you read number one, you can't over
<v Speaker 4>those more.
<v Speaker 1>Fun and going, which is really I mean, the guy
<v Speaker 1>went to prison for shooting somebody in a drug robbery.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know how he thinks it's okay,
<v Speaker 1>And then of course loses his place in one of
<v Speaker 1>these bands because of his whatever whatever. That's fine, but yes,
<v Speaker 1>he's he's singing about how fun drug addiction is. That
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't be working for some fed up slob. He
<v Speaker 1>left his wife and his family so that he could
<v Speaker 1>go be a rock singer. If you're a wasted rock ranger,
<v Speaker 1>you'll live a life of danger. Sing this song and
<v Speaker 1>follow it till the end. When you reach number one,
<v Speaker 1>you can overdose for fun and go and visit Jimmy
<v Speaker 1>and his friends.
<v Speaker 2>Love it, man, it's so fun.
<v Speaker 1>That has some messed up stuff, but I love it.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I told you. I said that there's no way
<v Speaker 2>we can cover this album without talking about this song.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure. Okay, we dropped the teaser at the
<v Speaker 1>beginning talking about Babe, I'm Gonna leave You. I gotta
<v Speaker 1>tell you. I remember, I remember the moment sitting in
<v Speaker 1>front of the TV and seeing them play bab I
<v Speaker 1>Want to leave You. I was listening to led Zeppelin
<v Speaker 1>by that point. I don't think that I had come
<v Speaker 1>to this song yet.
<v Speaker 2>This is.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of their earlier songs. Zeppelin's earlier songs, right,
<v Speaker 1>maybe off the first album I remember it's very first album, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin second song on the album,
<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly. Maybe Anyway, Anyway, they play this
<v Speaker 1>song and I'm floored at how good it is. And
<v Speaker 1>as I said, I went to the guitar teacher I
<v Speaker 1>had at that time, and I'm like, hey, have you
<v Speaker 1>heard this great white song? And he's like, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but it's a led Zeppelin song. And I'm like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>show me how to do this. And I was not
<v Speaker 1>good enough at that point to figure out how to
<v Speaker 1>do it. And then when I listened to the led
<v Speaker 1>Zeppelin version. I hate to say this, I love I
<v Speaker 1>still love the led Zeppelin version, I was a little
<v Speaker 1>disappointed and I said this to you. I'm like, this
<v Speaker 1>is one of the greatest covers of all time, and
<v Speaker 1>your words were, it's better it is. I hate to
<v Speaker 1>say it because I love led Zeppelin, but they did
<v Speaker 1>such an incredible job on this song that I would
<v Speaker 1>say it's better than the original, and it is a
<v Speaker 1>it is a true to the original song. They haven't
<v Speaker 1>like redone it. This is a very true to the
<v Speaker 1>original song, and they did it better than the original.
<v Speaker 3>Summer comes alone. Bame bab bab bab bab Baby, Baby,
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to leave you.
<v Speaker 1>Now. After I told you this, you told me a
<v Speaker 1>story that blew my freaking mind.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this was played on MTV's second unplugged television show.
<v Speaker 2>This is May sixth, nineteen ninety second, the second one.
<v Speaker 2>You know that everybody knows unplugged. But right, yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>this is the second show.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No, what was the first show?
<v Speaker 2>The first one was the Squeeze.
<v Speaker 1>Squeeze me right, yeah, the Squeeze.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was the first MTV unplugged Great White was
<v Speaker 2>the second.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen the Squeeze, but I have to think
<v Speaker 1>that afterwards they were like, well, we got another band
<v Speaker 1>to come and do this. I don't know if this
<v Speaker 1>unplugged thing is really going to work out, but man, well.
<v Speaker 2>I would say I would argue that, Babe, I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to leave you is what launched MTV unplugged, right, Oh
<v Speaker 2>for sure? Okay, so here's the deal. Yeah, Jack Russell
<v Speaker 2>and Mark Kendall are right in the car together on
<v Speaker 2>the way to this gig and they're like, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>we should do this led Zeppelin song and they just
<v Speaker 2>kind of popped in a tape you know the old days,
<v Speaker 2>you know, cassette play and they're working it out on
<v Speaker 2>the way over.
<v Speaker 1>They figured out the song on the way to the
<v Speaker 1>Unplugged show.
<v Speaker 2>They listened to it in the car and they were like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we should totally do this. They go backstage and they're like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>they're re listening to it and they're like, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>don't forget that part. Oh hear how that guitar kind
<v Speaker 2>of does that and they kind of.
<v Speaker 1>Work it out. I mean, guys, keep in mind, this
<v Speaker 1>is the full band. This is guitarist, bass, rhythm guitarist.
<v Speaker 1>That is also I mean, if you listen, they're playing together,
<v Speaker 1>they are playing picking the notes together, Mark Kendall and
<v Speaker 1>whoever they had is their rhythm guitarist at that point,
<v Speaker 1>and they nailed it.
<v Speaker 2>They nailed it, and in fact, this is the deal.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you and I agree, this gives us chills. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Jack Russell said the one in rehearsal, the one that
<v Speaker 2>they did prior to this one, was even better.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you said that they did one run through for
<v Speaker 1>the audience, and then they did it live on the
<v Speaker 1>show recording and you said that the first one was
<v Speaker 1>even better than this one.
<v Speaker 2>That's why he said it still gives them chills.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, Well, okay, fantastic. We have finished up with
<v Speaker 1>an incredible band, oh so many incredible stories and an
<v Speaker 1>incredible album, but we're matching it up against something that
<v Speaker 1>is truly worthy. So you guys come back next week.
<v Speaker 1>We are going to be talking about the Cult and
<v Speaker 1>Sonic Temple. I will be telling you about my virgin
<v Speaker 1>experience with this album because I had never listened to
<v Speaker 1>a single Cult song before I heard this album, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk about it. And we will be
<v Speaker 1>joined by one of our our oldest Atreon member, mister
<v Speaker 1>James Buckley. Back again. I can't wait to talk about
<v Speaker 1>this album.
<v Speaker 2>We'll see you back here next week. All right, now,
<v Speaker 2>just for pure reactionary purposes, we've talked about how you're
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily a great white fan. You're kind of learning
<v Speaker 2>their stuff. I jumped in in nineteen eighty seven with
<v Speaker 2>once a Bit, and I told you there's a song
<v Speaker 2>on there called Save All Your Love. It's one of
<v Speaker 2>their big songs and I just want you to play
<v Speaker 2>it because I think you're gonna love it. We just
<v Speaker 2>get a live reaction from you on this one.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this will be my live reaction at this song.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, weekend's always.
<v Speaker 1>I already love it.
<v Speaker 2>It builds, it's a builder.
<v Speaker 1>We know what. Second, it's my new favorite Great White song.
<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>It's so good. I mean the acoustic songs with the guys,
<v Speaker 1>with the rocking like I love when the children cry,
<v Speaker 1>I love those, the power ballad songs, and that's fan fantastic, fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here and I like, while while it's going,
<v Speaker 1>I'm typing into the computer, going what how did I
<v Speaker 1>miss this song? Well, okay, so you're the answer. I
<v Speaker 1>came up with it spent twelve weeks on the Hot
<v Speaker 1>one hundred, peaking out at number fifty seven. Ah, that's
<v Speaker 1>a travesty. And that was in February of eighty eight,
<v Speaker 1>when any song like that should have been topping the charts.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that flew under the radar.
<v Speaker 2>That's Chray stupid George Michael, which we love. But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I just knew you would love that song. Being the
<v Speaker 2>guitar player and the soulful lyrics and the voice.
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. That's the type of song I want to
<v Speaker 1>hear Jack Russell singer more than any other song.