Justin Anderson: Neuticles, Doggie Drugs & the Realities of Pet Parenting

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Speaker 1: You're listening to In the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horchak.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, and welcome back to In the Vets Office. I am your host, doctor Josie, and today we are joined by Justin Anderson. Justin and his fiancee Scoot are dog dads to Kevin McAllister and Clark Griswold. You may also know Justin from being one of the most well known celebrity hair colorists, and he's besties with Kristin Cavalary and often making appearances on her podcast or her reality show, Very Cavalry. If you're not already following Justin on Instagram, you probably should because he is hilarious and I love his hot takes on all things pop culture. Welcome Justin.

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Speaker 1: What a nice little intro. I love that. It's so funny when you're on a podcast and people are doing that. I never know if I'm just like chime in or just sit here like a little like vegetable. Yeah, I'm like, that's cute. Well that's not true. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited you're here in this podcast. As the listeners know, is b Yod. Today it's B yo, double d We've got both of your.

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Speaker 1: Dogs here, double dues in the house. I can't believe that we have our dogs. Our dogs are like crazy dogs, but they seem chill right now. They're sweet, they're doing good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's like good career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they might go crazy in a minute.

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Speaker 2: We had a pet psychic on last season, and we are convinced that ever since then, like all the dogs have been so calm. I think she's like Raiki, they're staged the space.

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Speaker 1: I'm so into that stuff. We just worked with somebody with our dogs, and she was explaining to us that Kevin, the little white one who's not here, he might be a little autistic or like have some sort of like add.

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Speaker 2: We call that autistic.

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Speaker 1: Oh really I like that. But dogs can have that stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely, they're just like humans. Okay, some come out super anxious, like they can be on the spectrum.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, m little white one is me, and then Clark Griswold is my partner Scoot like personality wise, and it's like, I'm not sure if they like got that from us or if it was just like a perfect if that's just how they came.

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Speaker 2: I think so. And there's like that saying that the longer you've had your pet, the more you start to look like, Yeah, I think that's true too, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and we're Kevin and I are completely bonded. And then Scoot and Clark.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Well, we'll dive in to the dogs, but first we're going to jump into our case of the week. We always start our podcast with an interesting case that I've seen in practice, and this case is from back when I was first starting as a vet. I had been out for like maybe three months out of school. It was in Chicago, and I had an owner, she was about my age, come in and she had this big pit bull named Frank, and Frank was peeing all over the house and getting into fights at the dog park. Frank was not neutered. And this is very I'm just going to say it. His balls were huge. I mean they were like swaying in the wind. He would sit with his legs open, they would like flop on the floor and.

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Speaker 1: So, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And so I told her, I was like, I think we should neuter him. Like I think that's going to sell all these issues plus like all the other benefits of not getting prostatic cancer and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Because does that mean like they're like an alpha dog too much testosterone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like full of tesosterone. They want to like mark their territory.

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Speaker 1: It's a real thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: I have big balls and I have a lot of testosterone. Should be cut off.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind nutering you, but the dogs do. And so I said, hey, I think we need to nuter him, and she starts bursting into tears and she's like, my husband refuses to get him Nuteredhall refused. And so I have found that all the pushback that I get with neutering, it's almost always neutering, not ever spang the girl dogs is coming from the male owners.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that makes so much sense.

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Speaker 2: Just want to go on record that, guys, if your dogs don't have their balls, that doesn't make you any less of a man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, say that.

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Speaker 2: So she goes home. She calls me two weeks later and she says, doctor Josie, I just did some research and I found out about neuticles. Do you know what those are? And I was like, I have no idea what those are? If a for like twelve seconds, and so I get onto Google and they are silicone implants dog ball implants. No, yes, And she said, the only way my husband will agree to neuter our dog is if we put nudicles in.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's like some elations. Wait, this was in Chicago, Chicago. Who cares about your dog's balls?

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Speaker 2: Alpha man? I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm like actually shocked. Not a lot shocks to me, but like, getting fake balls on a dog is the weirdest thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: I was shook. So I neutered the dog and at the time of neutering put in the dog all implants and the neuter is like pretty quick. But when I put the implants in, I'm like okay, Like I don't want the right to be lower than the left. Like I really took my time to make sure it's surgeon. I that's what I said. I said, if all else fails, I'll be a plastic surgery.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I had no idea that was a real thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of dogs are doing that.

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Speaker 2: No, I've heard like through the grapevine, through friends at like a couple of people like probably maybe like once a year or two will get asked about it. But but no, it's definitely not a common thing.

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Speaker 1: That is the weirdest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: But all that to say, like, if your husbands don't want to neuter your dogs, and that's what we have to do to get it done. Like, I'm all for neuticles.

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Speaker 1: How did you even come up with like a price for that? Did you have to like like ask her and how much do you charge for them?

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Speaker 2: I made her purchase the nudicles and then she brought them in and then I just charged a little bit extra for my time.

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Speaker 1: That is wild.

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Speaker 2: So Frank still lives on with his fake balls.

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Speaker 1: Did they look good? Yeah, they looked beautiful, and they were like similar size to they were before he went down.

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Speaker 2: We kept them about the same size. He wanted them to be around the same size, just.

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Speaker 1: Like a boom lift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. That was Frank. And yeah, never, I haven't done it since. I don't know if I ever will again. But yeah, are your dogs uttered?

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Speaker 1: They're both neutered? Yeah, they're both. But I feel like Kevin still has balls.

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Speaker 2: That's that has a really common misconception.

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Speaker 1: I feel them in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, there's two things going on here. So one dogs have a bulbo urethral gland, so like on like the the shaft of their penis are those two little glands on either side, and those get enlarged in the morning or like after they wake up.

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Speaker 1: Kevin is his wiener is huge. The first time his wiener came out, because he humps a lot, like when he was younger, he would hump a lot. We screamed like two little girls when we saw he has the biggest wiener I've ever seen on a dog.

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Speaker 2: Scot Right, it's scary.

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Speaker 1: No, his is huge though, it's like the same size as his body, and it like matches his personality because he's so like alpha and he like he's like really dominant, like he would hump everything. But the first time we saw his wiener, we screamed so that we were running around the house screen and then he was chasing us because he thought we were like playing with his wiener out and he was chasing us and we were screaming ready from him, but then he couldn't get it back in.

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Speaker 2: It's the shock, and that is like if it stays out for a long time, it can be hard to get back in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So scoot has to push it back in.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is it not a glamorous job, but it's what we signed up for.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't never he has to push it back in.

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Speaker 2: If that happens, a little bit of water with sugar in it will help, oh war loop. Yeah, but water with sugar will help it go back in.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So what I was saying is in the morning and Kevin sleeps like on my head, like we're like really connected when we sleep. So in the morning, like I start to like rub his belly or whatever, and he has like a morning wood like his like is that area is like hard but.

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Speaker 2: Blood flow just like just like just like just like you guys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, makes sense.

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Speaker 2: And then the other thing that people ask me is when we take the testicles out, like the little scrotum is still there. My husband calls it the coin purse. I'm not sure why, like the coin pouch, but the scrotum is still there. And so like they still have that like little sack, and a lot of owners will be like, what the heck, you didn't need my dog, And I'm like, yeah, I did. They just have a little coin pouch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Because I literally thought that maybe they made a mistake and they didn't take his balls. Okay, so it just like fills up with like fluid. That's pouch is still there.

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Speaker 2: It is still there, and it will shrink with time, like as the testosterone like slowly goes out of their system. Like by the time they're ten, eleven, twelve, they're like little scrotle pouch will be gone.

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Speaker 1: We can ask you a questions. I'm not that smart about dogs, but like why do you have to neuter male dogs so that they can't get girls pregnant?

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Speaker 2: Yes, A, we don't want to be I don't want to be a grandparent just yet. And then b they a lot of like behavioral issues like getting into fights, marking, and then really the big thing is they get prostatic disease if they're not neutered, and certain kinds of cancer. So that's like that's the big one.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The downside to it is they can get like they're more likely to get fat. Oh really because they don't have all that testosterone in their system.

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Speaker 1: And so wait, so if they take the walls that they're likely to.

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Speaker 2: Get fat, you're more likely to put on weight. Oh, but I'd rather have like a little like a muffin top on my dog than them getting cancer.

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Speaker 1: Kevin's getting chunky. He's getting chunky right now. He's getting big, but I love him bigger. Well, that's another question that I want to ask you. You have to really monitor their weight, right, especially when they're smaller dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, any dog, it's important. And that how old is Kevin?

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Speaker 1: He's four years old.

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Speaker 2: It's like human years, very classic. All your twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: It was thirtieth birthday too. We can't wait. Actually he was like an insane teenager. I can't wait till he's in his thirties.

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Speaker 2: We're so excited for his thirties. It's really classic that once they're neutered and then they hit true adulthood, like three, four or five, they start to pack on the LB's okay, their metabolis exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is so wild.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So we really like a lot of times when my patients come in around like four years old, I'm like, whoa, we got to like get you on weight watching.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then that's where he's at. Yeah, because we took him recently to our vet and she was like, he put a little bit of weight on, and I was like, we're not going back to her. She's rude. Yeah, yeah, because if it was up to be, I would have him be like a little chunker. I love when he's like bigger, but it's not healthy for them, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean a little like he I'm looking at him, and he is not obese by any stretch of the imagination. So if he was like morbidly obese, I'd be like, listen, justin, I don't care what you like. We have to have him lose weight, but like a little like cushion is.

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Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, when his defense to a lot of that is for he actually a lot smaller than that. But I can feel his body is getting bigger well. And as he gets older, he's kind of like every all the guys in my family, we get like barrel chested as we get older, like car chest area gets bigger, and that's kind of what's happening to him, Like his body area is just getting really thick, barrel chest. He's a big boy, a big boy. Oh my god, I love him so much. I never want him to die.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. We talk about this a lot. It's called anticipatory grief.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think.

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Speaker 2: About them dying.

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Speaker 1: Just the other night, we were laying in bed and I just start crying out of nowhere because I was like holding him in the cutting with him and Scoot it can't deal with my emotions because I'm like really up and down. But was like, what are you crying about right now? And I'm like, I'm just thinking about when we don't have him anymore, and I like, I want to lose my shit, to be honest. That's why I never really wanted a dog as an adult, because I'm like really afraid of death, Like it freaks me out when I'm attached to somebody. So I think, God, it.

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Speaker 2: Daily, Yeah it is. You can spiral. I don't get it, Like I think.

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Speaker 1: We're just driving in the car. I'll think about it and I just start crying.

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Speaker 2: It's awful. You just have to think, like, well, a, we get them to bring joy into our lives, which they do. So I try to, like ninety of it to be focusing on the joy. But think about all the wonderful years that you've got, you know that you have and still have with him, and all of that is worth the heartbreak that you'll have after he's.

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Speaker 1: Going to be stuffed for sure and put next to my bed for the rest of my right yeah doubt no, like for really he's gonna be right there. Like well, then I was telling Scot, I was like, what I wish we could plan it out where we all went at the same time, you know. And then sometimes I have morbid thoughts. I'm like, shoud we just we all just go and Julia.

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Speaker 2: As your vet. I don't advise that, but totally but not really. I completely understand though. And then I've had a pet pass away, and I was like, I'm never getting another dog.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't even think about how I'm going to be, Like it's really going to be a huge issue. It is.

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Speaker 2: It's like that will be hard, sugarcoated.

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Speaker 1: But no, I know, harder than probably anybody in my life, you know, because a lot of times it's like, well I don't know, No, humans are big deal to you. No. No.

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Speaker 2: I have clients all the time say to me when their pets passed away, like I didn't cry as much when my mom died, right, cry as much when my grandma died, Like this is, but your mom and your grandma like aren't getting into bed sleeping with you every sing night.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. We're so attached. I mean, like even like him. He literally sleeps like kind of wrapped around my head and he like put his mouth right by my ear, and so like I sleep to the sound of his like little breathing in my ear and like the thought of that not being there, Oh my god, it's our sound right now.

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Speaker 2: But I stop.

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Speaker 1: I saw something on social media recently where they were talking about like they're trying to work on these things like prolonged dogs lives. Do you think that's kind of gross and weird or do you think they should?

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Speaker 2: Like the nad stuff? Were you reading?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Like, no, I don't think it's I mean, if we.

00:12:29
Speaker 1: Have modern science for us, why can't alle.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and we already know our dogs are living a lot longer than they were even in the eighties and nineties.

00:12:36
Speaker 1: Because of diet and stuff, I think food.

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Speaker 2: Like preventative care. We're taking care of their teeth like all these things that.

00:12:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that we are crazy about them, like we do everything to try and keep them really healthy.

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Speaker 2: So when I first came out of practice, I lived in Boystown in Chicago.

00:12:51
Speaker 1: Oh, we got Boystown is fun the best. It's the best gay area in America.

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Speaker 2: In America. I love it. Take me back there, all the gays and Boystown. I you, and I was convinced that in my next life I needed to come back as a pet to double dog dads. Oh there's nothing better.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand why our dogs lived the life. It's so funny because like they've never been alone, Like if we go to dinner for like two hours, they have a babysitter, or they're like with cokear neighbor who's like their second mom. They are so well taken care of. I would want to be a gay guys dog for sure.

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Speaker 2: Have you always have you had pets growing up? Have you always loved animals?

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Speaker 1: So we always had pets growing up. We always had Golden tree ris, like big big dogs. I feel like that's such the Mormon dog. I'm like from a big Mormon families who always have like blonde Yeah, everyone was blonde. It was just like our thing, like whatever. But as we got older, I love like little dogs, like I want the gayest dogs in the world. I secretly want like those shit suos and I want to put like bows in their hair and like have them blown out and stuff. But scou was like, absolutely not. So I've always loved dogs, but these are my first ones as an adult.

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Speaker 2: I have always had big dogs, and I now have Biggie. The audience knows he's a terror, but he's small, and I don't think I'm ever going back to big dogs.

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Speaker 1: No. I love them, no, I love it. Just like holding them cudd I need like a little bit of girth on their body, like Kevin, like I like how he's got that little thick body, and the same thing with Clark, like I couldn't do like a chihuahua. You know, I'm a real like cuddler, Like I like hold them tight and stuff. But I know how to do it too. Sometimes they say, I read this thing the other day on Instagram. I'm on Instagram too much, but they're saying, like a study came out that said dogs don't like to be held or cuddled, And I'm like, you need to calm down, because our dogs like climb into our arms and want us to hold them. But I feel like you have to train them to want to do that, because if you hold the dog and they don't want it, and you hold on to them and they start to freak out and you don't let go. That would like create like a it feels.

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Speaker 2: Unsafe to them, right, Sure they feel trapped.

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Speaker 1: So from a young because I like read all this stuff, but from when they were really little puppies, like you hold them very gentle. If they start to squirm, you let them go, you know, so they know that it's like a safe space, right, like you're not trying to like exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and these specifically Kevin's a Cavish on right, Yeah, so cavaliers were bred to be lap dogs for the for the Queen.

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Speaker 1: I think he's so royal, he's so loyal and so thisicians they say that they're like like a velcrow dog, like Kevin is attached. If I even shut the bathroom to like our little toilet area, like he'll just sit there like he's like sniffing under the door, like he has to be with us.

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Speaker 2: Like maybe borderline separation anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Bad, like really bad.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so yeah, I mean these dogs specifically are like made to be loved and cuddled on. Like my German shepherd at home is like hell, no, get away from me, lady, Like pet me on my head, but like I don't need you to squeeze my face and tell me how much you love me. So all dogs are kind of different with them. I mean I still force them into it sometimes, but not as much. Like my little dog gets all my affection.

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Speaker 1: We had one dog when I was a kid that was like a rescue dog still like a golden treever mixed, but it was a rescue dog and really didn't like people being too close to it, so like growl and stuff. And I got bits so hard in the face because I was like squeezing him so hard as a kid. You know. Yeah, they'll let you know.

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Speaker 2: Like one of the things that we learned in at school is like reading their body language, like when we're doing like I'm in their mouth and I'm looking at their eyes, like if they're licking their lips, if they're yawning, like those are signs of like, hey, I'm stressed really, So if I like notice them doing that, I'll like slowly back away or like get a muzzle if I have to, because well, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Because they are they're little humans, you know. And I'm so I feel like doing hair for so many years, and I was with people in the chair. You have to like read people's part. You have to see what people are comfortable with, you know, And it's the same thing with with dogs for sure.

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Speaker 2: How is the how do you and Scute separate like the roles in the house, Like is one more of the caretaker?

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Speaker 1: I'm like the if you had to stereotype dads and moms, I'm like the dad. Like I'm like, so I'm they think of me as like playful, like I have like a big loud personality.

00:17:03
Speaker 2: You bring the fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so they get really really excited with me. But then when I like will lay down to watch a movie, they'll come and like lay on me and hang out with me. But Scoot is like takes care of everything, and it's kind of sad because he does all the really like all the work, and then they kind of will favor me at like the cuddly fun time or like playing you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I relate to you. Yeah, it's not fair, like I feed you like I birthed you, and you don't even give a shit. You just want to hang out with my husband.

00:17:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's kind of funny, but we definitely have like our two roles with them.

00:17:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure all the mom like human moms out there are probably listening to this, like yep, yeah, you get it.

00:17:37
Speaker 1: It's a thing, right, Yeah, it's.

00:17:38
Speaker 2: Definitely a thing. When you guys, I know you travel a lot. When you travel a isn't it the worst thing ever leaving your pets?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's really hard. And we actually do travel a lot. And just the summer we traveled for a long time. We go to Nantucket for a big stretch in the summer with like family and stuff, and we've taken Kevin before this summer. Clark is new. We just got him like around Christmas time, and he's kind of too young to take on a plane. And then like in Nantucket, we like go to the beaches and we hang out. There's tons of dogs around, so we got nervous, so we left them home this time with Coco, our neighbor.

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Speaker 2: You're so lucky to have Coca. Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's the best thing in the world. Like, that's why we don't like worry out all. You know. Cocoa is literally like their their mom, so we never get nervous about it. But it was really really hard. Same thing in Nantucket we'd be like drinking at dinner and we start talking about the dogs and both of.

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Speaker 2: Us start carrying out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so embarrassing too, because I never wanted to be this person, Like this is so freaking queer that I'm like at dinner crying about my dogs. But it's a real thing, you know, so real. And when we got home, because that one was like a long stretch, so we were going to like a month and then we got home. And that's also why Kevin, I think, will not leave my side, like in the house, Like he like sleeps on my head, like really really close, because they get nervous that you're gonna leave again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do they know when the suitcases are coming out?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can feel their energy. They're staring at the suitcase. They like keep coming around and sniffing it. They'll like sit knit. They know what's happening. We're packing because we do go on a lot of like little trips and stuff, and so yeah, they definitely know.

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Speaker 2: If I didn't have a pet sitter that I like loved and I knew my dogs loved, like, I think I'd be a recluse.

00:19:11
Speaker 1: Oh, we'd never leave, never leave our house. If it wasn't for cocoa for.

00:19:15
Speaker 2: Sure, So Clark is new. How is it going from? Because a lot of listeners will ask.

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Speaker 1: Mek you one question really quick about the vacation things. Do they do they understand time? Like do they know how long that is?

00:19:26
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I wish.

00:19:27
Speaker 1: Sometimes people will say, like, oh, if you leave the house, the dogs don't know if it's five minutes or seven hours. Is that true.

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Speaker 2: I think they have some concept of time, like, no matter what, they're excited to see you, right, whether it's been a week or like you just went to the grocery store. So I think that that is where people maybe get a little confused. But I think they I think they have some concept of you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they came in like screaming when we got home. Much of this trip, I bet like Kevin was on my chest like howling screaming at you. Yeah. It was like the cutest thing. But then also broke my heart.

00:19:54
Speaker 2: That's a cave. Caves make those noises like they were all.

00:19:58
Speaker 1: So he wakes up in the morning and it like to kind of like get me going and stuff. It's the cutest thing in the world. Oh my god.

00:20:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of listeners will ask me, Hey, I have one dog. We're thinking about getting a second, Like we don't really know how it's going to go. I have found that it usually goes great. What was it in your guys' experience? Like how did Kevin handle it?

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Speaker 1: So we for a while, I was like begging to get another dog, and Scoot was like, no, it's so much work, and like we have it so good right now because Kevin was so good as like a single dog or whatever, and I was like, I would just feel so much better if they had somebody to like play with in the house. Bab blah. We went through this whole thing forever. Then we got Clark and we literally just the other night we're like, we want to get another one, Like, you know, we were so nervous about it, but it made it so much easier because they're like little buddies, you know, And like I feel like Kevin really loves attention from animals or people like whatever, so having like another little buddy in the house has made it so good for him.

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Speaker 2: It makes me feel better too, Like when I leave them, I'm like, oh, they're not He's not there alone, Like they have a buddy.

00:20:51
Speaker 1: Or a friend. So also I'm so like codependent, like such a people pleaser. So like with Kevin, like let's say I was we were cooking in the kitchen. We were like doing laundry or something. I feel bad when he's bored, Like I feel really bad, Like I get like, I'm like, oh my god, he's bored, Like I feel like he's a dog. He can sit there like that. You know. We actually both kind of like that, like we feel it. But now we're not worried at all because they're like buddies. They chase each other around the house. We were really nervous because, like I was saying, like Kevin has like a really dominating personality. I was really afraid that he was going to try to eat Clark or something. But he's they're like best friends, and I think he like knows that it's a puppy and like it's his brother.

00:21:27
Speaker 2: They're makes a huge difference.

00:21:28
Speaker 1: They're protective of each other. But like Kevin is insane about his ball, like he's will throw the ball all day long, never gets tired, right, And so I was so nervous. I'm like, if Clark takes the ball, Kevin's gonna lose his mind. He actually, he's totally fine with it. It's like the weirdest thing to me. He doesn't he doesn't try to attack him if he takes the ball.

00:21:45
Speaker 2: It's it's usually having that adult dog and then a puppy coming in nine times out of ten goes great because they just Clark kind of learns the ropes. Kevin shows him like, this is my ball, Like they just figure it out. They have their little like hierarchy, so it usually works itself out nicely. And it's funny you say that, because I do have a lot of owners that are like they feel guilt when their dogs are like just chilling and dogs sleep like eighteen hours a day.

00:22:08
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Well, I'm like, whose dog sleeps eight hours? Our dog does not sleep. But it's true they want to just sleep and relax. Yeah, but like we feel bad. Kevin though, has like little human eyes, Like when he looks at you, it's like it it's like human eyed, and he like looks at you like, I'm fucking bored, bro, I need to do something. I feel so bad. Yeah, I'm trapped. Yeah, So it's helped so much to have the two dogs.

00:22:29
Speaker 2: That's interesting that he likes to fetch. That's sort of unusual for cavaliers and be shin.

00:22:34
Speaker 1: He is insane to the point where like that's where we kind of thought that maybe he is like a little bit autistic, because he like gets obsessed with the ball, Like it's like this weird obsession, kind of like neurotic about it, neurotic Like when you kind of stop throwing the ball from him, he starts like doing this weird little moaning thing and he's like staring at you almost like he's like nervous, and I'm like, really.

00:22:53
Speaker 2: Has some anxiety. I mean it sounds like he has a separation anxiety, like maybe just generalized anxiety, which is, you know, I have anxiety. Who doesn't right? And they all come out a little anxious. So that might be what you're seeing.

00:23:04
Speaker 1: Oh that breaks my heart. Okay, can you take medication for that?

00:23:07
Speaker 2: They can take medication for that. We'll talk about it.

00:23:10
Speaker 1: I saw a clip where you talked about trazodone and dog. I took one of their traso doones one time because I thought it would be a less I thought it'd be less of a dose.

00:23:21
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so When you said.

00:23:23
Speaker 1: That, I was like, that makes perfect sense, because like I could take anything. I'm like built like a street dog. I could eat anything. My stomach never heard second deal. Yeah, could take anything. I could drink so much that never get too drug river. I took one of his tras dots. I was like on another planet day night.

00:23:38
Speaker 2: No, for all of you listening, humans can listen to your doctor.

00:23:42
Speaker 1: Don't.

00:23:43
Speaker 2: Don't take tras donon unless they prescribe it for you. But the dog dose is like exponentially more.

00:23:48
Speaker 1: I haven't no. I thought it would be way less because of their little body.

00:23:51
Speaker 2: You would think, but they metabolize it differently. Yeah. So if you take your dog's dose like you're you are lights out, no one's home.

00:23:57
Speaker 1: Wow, that made so much sense to me.

00:23:59
Speaker 2: That was a t A lot of people will take it to like sleep on long hal flights and stuff.

00:24:03
Speaker 1: That's what I did. Yes, So we took it on scoot. Where were we flying to last summer, Oh, to Greece, And we took it and normally, like a sleeping pill would take a while for me, I had like ordered food, but I'm on the plane and I was like wait, I'm like I'm gonna eat my food and then go to better. Ever, I took it within five minutes.

00:24:18
Speaker 2: I was like, crash, can keep your eyes open.

00:24:21
Speaker 1: And I actually started getting really bad inside because I'm like, what is going on? Like it because it came on so intense. This is an embarrassing story. He's a drug addict. I really don't take anything except for like a sleeping pill on a flight or no.

00:24:32
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean it's prescribed for humans.

00:24:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we didn't have it on that flight. And so I had taken trasidone years ago when am I going into the story coort when I was like in a depressive state after a big breakup in my twenties. So this doctor prescribed me trasdone because I couldn't sleep, and it was like a game changer, put me back on like a good sleeping cycle. So then all these years later they prescribed the dog transit and I'm like, oh, I could take one of those, yeah, because I know that drug or whatever, and I took it.

00:24:57
Speaker 2: Now we know I'm not need a doctor. Josie in your life before that, do you ever groom your own dogs? Being that you are hair stylist, colorist, we.

00:25:06
Speaker 1: Almost got to the point Scoot does. And Scoot's actually really good at it, Yeah, because he has like a really good eye for it.

00:25:13
Speaker 2: Have you ever used any of your products? I know you sold your company, but you I know you had hair have hair products. Have you ever used them?

00:25:19
Speaker 1: Yeah? We did. We did use them on the dogs and they were great. And for a while I thought about like creating the line for dogs, you know, something really really healthy because there's such a market for it.

00:25:29
Speaker 2: Maybe we should collaborate. That would be fun. Oh my gosh, look at this creating a business idea on the podcast.

00:25:35
Speaker 1: That would be really good.

00:25:37
Speaker 2: A lot of people will die, especially in Boystown. We have like rainbow colored tails and like a lot of like dogs coming in with their hair or fur dyed. And the big thing is like you want to use animal safe tested product.

00:25:49
Speaker 1: Yes, that's just safe. And then fragrance. So I'm like a huge fragrance person. Like I love smells and I want them to smell like me.

00:25:57
Speaker 2: Amazing.

00:25:57
Speaker 1: I don't have like a Santele smell like a yeah, yes exactly, but our perfume is scary for dogs.

00:26:04
Speaker 2: No, I think you just have to be like mindful of what you're putting on them. I will say, like a lot of the dogs shampoos though, don't smell very good.

00:26:10
Speaker 1: They don't they smell like fruit fruit. Yeah. I don't like that stuff. I want them to smell like they're masculine, you know. Yeah.

00:26:20
Speaker 2: I did see you post the other day about how you liked shaggy dogs better than like the perfectly groomed and it's funny you say that. I bet you've got a lot of flak for that.

00:26:27
Speaker 1: I got a lot. It really started.

00:26:29
Speaker 2: As debate, but I'm here to say that I think shaggy dogs are so cute and I kind of prefer it too, as long as they're not matted, yeah, which is like a big difference. I like when they're kind of shaggy. I don't like them as like perfectly quaffed.

00:26:39
Speaker 1: Right. So I did get a little bit of heat for that because there are a bunch of people coming in and they should rightfully. So sometimes I don't like when people chime in. I'm like, calm down, it's just Instagram. We can say whatever we want, like whatever. But some people came in because I used the word dreaded, which is so bad. Piece. Okay, so we took Kevin to Nantucket a few summers ago and it was the first time he ever went in the ocean. He's such a good swimmer by the way he like swim his.

00:27:00
Speaker 2: Way out, like go over bying all things, cavash on.

00:27:02
Speaker 1: Really he's like an Olympic swimmer. If he's like Michael.

00:27:05
Speaker 2: Phelshon or Cavalier or go swimming.

00:27:08
Speaker 1: Really, that's what people were saying on the beach. They're like, I've never seen a dog like that go in the water. Like he was obsessed, like he would swim. But his hair was longer at the time. We came home and we didn't know. You know, this is a new thing for us. It was his first time on the beach where his hair was so matted. So we took him in and they were so pissed at us. They had to shave him all the way down. So it can hurt all when.

00:27:28
Speaker 2: They come home when they're like shaved, I call him like a naked mole rat. It's so sad.

00:27:32
Speaker 1: They like, know, Oh, he was so embarrassed. He was mortified. He wouldn't even look at me. He knew what he looked like. Yes, but also it's really sad because they were saying that the dreads can hurt them so that like pulls on their skin.

00:27:44
Speaker 2: If they're really madded, like I saw all doodle owners plan for every six eight weeks, like they have to get groomed, and if they don't, like those mats can like like cut off blood circulation to their skin.

00:27:55
Speaker 1: So yeah, So right after he gets groomed and he comes home, I can't really even look at him out. He looks like what was that guy's name, Ron Specter whatever, the music guy who got in trouble. It's such a niche person. But anyways, his hair is all like fluffy and like combed out, and I'm like, don't even look at me, Kevin, because I like when it gets a little moisture to it.

00:28:12
Speaker 2: In the middle perm almost yes, yeah.

00:28:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like when it has like a little bit of a curl to it.

00:28:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think they're whatever's happening right now is perfect.

00:28:19
Speaker 1: They're adorable right now right this is great weather for them too. There's a little bit of moisture in the air, so like it curls up. I love that brush.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: They look amazing. Anything. I always like to ask guests, is there anything funny that you guys do in the choir of your own home behind closed doors, that you're like, this is so embarrassing, Like people will sing songs to their pets or like tuck them in in a funny way, or like we.

00:28:41
Speaker 1: Are the most embarrassing, or i am Scoot just pointed at me. I'm like, it's so embarrassing. Like I I really talk to Kevin, and you know, I think he understands everything that I'm saying. You know, I think that he understands my language, like we talked, but he loves I can do like a really high pitch voice that's actually like creepy. I'm not gonna do it right now. No, it's so embarrassing, but you have to. Oh my god, I can't do it.

00:29:06
Speaker 2: Whoosh, whoosh, whoh oh just started running towards you.

00:29:17
Speaker 1: But he when I talked to him in that really annoying, like mini mouse girl voice, he gets so excited.

00:29:23
Speaker 2: He just bolted to you.

00:29:24
Speaker 1: That was amazing. He loves it.

00:29:26
Speaker 2: Oh so cute.

00:29:28
Speaker 1: But then I also read I would read way too much about dogs, but I read that people were saying that, like dogs really love when you do the high pitch voice today.

00:29:34
Speaker 2: I love it. I think they love it. I know we sound ridiculous and like I'll be talking to dogs in front of their owners and I'm like, I know this person thinks I'm insane, but the dogs love it.

00:29:43
Speaker 1: It makes them feel calm and it's like a sweet, sweet voice. Right. I can get really really loud, like schoon. I actually have such a great relationship, and we never fight in the house. We're never like yelling. But I'm a very loud person. Like in the morning, I come out like love to sing a show too, yes, yes, And Kevin's always been really good then really loud at the boarding, I'm like really loud and morning. But Kevin like loves it, like he gets getting amped up. Yeah, but Clark it freaks him out. Like Clark's a little scaredy cat.

00:30:11
Speaker 2: You've got like the anxious dog, and then you've got like the he just wants to chill. You guys are like it's so funny.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: It's literally scoop and I like that is crazy. There are dogs exactly.

00:30:20
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I love it. Okay, we're gonna play who's more likely to with Kevin and Clark, So who of Kevin and Clark is more likely to poop in.

00:30:28
Speaker 1: The house Clark, and he does it out of like who goes to Clark. Yeah, he gets like he gets nervous.

00:30:36
Speaker 2: It's a nervous poop. Yeah, that's my little dog at home. He tries so hard to make out to the bathroom and he'll be running and then he'll stop and he'll just drop one little like ball on the way out to the bathroom because he can't hold and make it out to the door.

00:30:49
Speaker 1: It's so funny though, because Kevin I think he's such a people pleaser and he wants like people to love him. He wants to be like a show off. So I think he would hold a poop for ten days if he had mortified trouble. Yeah. Yeah, he's like he's he was kind of like a gay man, but he's actually very straight, but he kind of seems like a gay man, Like he's very like clean and particular. Like I don't think he would poop in the house just because of hygiene.

00:31:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, metro street man.

00:31:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very metro.

00:31:13
Speaker 2: What is Clark?

00:31:18
Speaker 1: He could be a sexual. Yeah, we don't really know. Yes, that's spot off. Okay, he's asexual.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: Clark just looked up.

00:31:29
Speaker 1: Do you know why this is such a fun thing to do. It's because we all love to talk about our dogs, you know so clearly, like your listeners are probably dog people, So this is like fun conversations. But it's like I'm so aware, like I try to be so self aware, like don't talk about your dogs too much. But it's my favorite conversation.

00:31:44
Speaker 2: This is what this whole podcast is about.

00:31:46
Speaker 1: It.

00:31:46
Speaker 2: I know, what a beautiful, amazing all of us welcome. Okay, who's more likely to go on a hunger strike? Oh?

00:31:56
Speaker 1: Oh well Kevin. Kevin's not food obsessed. Clark is like food obsessed.

00:32:00
Speaker 2: Now, well he cooco. Will he stop eating when they go on vacation, No, he'll just that. That is very besh on of him. They will not eat for like they'll skip many meals.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: He will do that. He's Yeah, he's very He like knows what he's doing. He's a he's a game player. He's manipulative.

00:32:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows what he's a strategy.

00:32:21
Speaker 1: It's all strategy with him. Like he's so weird. The stuff that he'll do to get what he wants, it's like crazy, and he like mopes, like when he's not getting something he wants, he'll sit in the corner, just go and like staring and tell you look yeah, like the deep side.

00:32:36
Speaker 2: You want for nothing? My dog's will the deep sigh. Okay. Who's more likely to bark at the mailman?

00:32:42
Speaker 1: Oh, Kevin is the biggest parker in the world. It's actually a real problem.

00:32:46
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:32:46
Speaker 1: He barks at like everything. He barks at the TV like crazy.

00:32:50
Speaker 2: Does he watch the TV?

00:32:52
Speaker 1: He watches the TV. Clark watches the TV a lot too. But Kevin will just always see if there's a dog or a horse or like a chicken on the TV or something, and he loses his mind.

00:33:00
Speaker 2: Say, that's a sign of high intelligence and dogs if they can pick up other animals on screen.

00:33:04
Speaker 1: Einstein, Baby Einstein. He is the smartest dog in the world. I believe it's a genius. He would rule the world if he could just find his words.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Kevin for president in twenty twenty four. Who's more likely to hog the bed?

00:33:20
Speaker 1: Clark is very not aware of his like space Like Clark will just like fall onto you, like throughout the night. Like Kevin will pick a spot and he'll stay there all night. Okay, Clark moves around all night and like he'll just like fall onto us and like nuzzle into you. Clark Clark Griswold.

00:33:37
Speaker 2: Who's more likely to ignore you when you say no m.

00:33:42
Speaker 1: I would say Kevin, And I think Kevin's like teaching in Clark bad habits. They both don't listen. We like have the most rowdy little kids in the world. Like if if they were our kids, they would be the kids that people would leave and be like their kids are insane. We just have the discipline. No, there's no discipline at all. And it's like having dog. It's taught us. Like we're not supposed to have kids, you know, all my siblings are having kids now. Like I love being an uncle more than anything that it's my favorite thing. But like kids, I would have nightmare kids.

00:34:10
Speaker 2: How do they do with kids?

00:34:12
Speaker 1: The dogs? Yeah, oh they're great. Actually they're great, right, they're great. Yeah, Yeah, they're good with kids.

00:34:20
Speaker 2: That's good.

00:34:20
Speaker 1: So if you ever do, I mean I would know if they weren't, I guess like when my nieces and nephews come, Yeah, they're really good with them. Actually, yeah.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: Who is more likely to be a couch potato sounds like they're both pretty active.

00:34:35
Speaker 1: They're both well they're literally like so I would say Kevin because Kevin's like me, like I'm either crazy hyper, can't sit down doing tons of things, or like I love to be a couch potato and I'm really good. I could rot for days, like once you give me the the okay, yeah, like when I have nothing else to do. And Kevin's the same way, Like Kevin will like cuddle with you and just like hang out. He's so he's it's Kevin Kevin.

00:34:57
Speaker 2: And who's more likely to sneak a treat off the table when you're not looking?

00:35:01
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's Clark because Clark is just like really food obsessed, like he's food obsessed.

00:35:06
Speaker 2: Those are usually easier dogs to train. Oh really, they like really are motivated by treats than usually you can train them. I feel like Kevin would be tough to train. Kevin's like subburn, like strategic about when he eats.

00:35:19
Speaker 1: No, there's nothing you can do about Kevin.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: Smarter than us. Probably we got about things were so dumb.

00:35:24
Speaker 1: Yea gives us the dirtiest looks.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: One last thing I wanted to ask you, is you know you have been with a lot of celebrities. Any celebrities are like, wow, they're amazing dog parents, or like any interesting stories from your time working with them and their pets.

00:35:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I in my career. So my whole career was like doing a celebrity hair color in Los Angeles, and I really worked with like every celebrity I ever dreamed of, Like I had a fabulous client tele and but I found that the people that I connected the most with, like my clients who I had forever, were dog people. Dog people, it's a certain breed, like I don't know, that's a certain type of person. So a lot of my big celebrity clients were really good with dogs. Jennifer Aniston is like such a dog person.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: Okay does she have she has?

00:36:10
Speaker 1: I would say I think like three right now, And but she's really into like the rescue stuff like on her social media and stuff. She's just a real dog person. I love people like that, you know, they have like a big heart, yes for sure. And Miley Cyrus is a really big into rescue and taking care of dogs and super connected. Chelsea Handler is constantly rescuing what's that type of dog? She has the big furry looking. I no, no, no, it's a I don't know.

00:36:37
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him anyway.

00:36:38
Speaker 1: She has like one type of dog she loves to rescue.

00:36:40
Speaker 2: Do you still do hair color here for celebrities?

00:36:43
Speaker 1: I don't. So I did the hair color forever and then I had my product line, you know, and then I moved here and wanted to totally change it up. And I don't do hair, and I think maybe at some point I'd love to go back to hair and just do it like in a fun way. I don't want to go back to doing it for money. I'm kind of in a place where in my life right now where like money's not my driving factor. I want to figure out what I really want to do that like makes me happy and I enjoy, right, And when I was doing hair, I just take it so seriously, Like I was so busy. I was working seven days a week. I was going to people's homes for house calls like every night of the week and stuff because they needed privacy and stuff. And I'm not good with like setting boundaries for myself. So I don't want to go back to that kind of lifestyle that I used to have, working around the clock.

00:37:24
Speaker 2: And everything, but I do I saw a little burnt out.

00:37:27
Speaker 1: Oh I felt so burnt out. I was really good at it. I was really talented and I did beautiful hair color. But then also, like I just love connecting with people. So that's the thing that I missed the most, is like when they're sitting in the chair. Like I loved connecting with my clients. They were all such good friends of mine, like all of my celebrity clients, Like I still keep in touch with them because like, I loved the conversations that we would have. So I missed that part of it, like the human connection part.

00:37:51
Speaker 2: Maybe you should start a podcast.

00:37:52
Speaker 1: I had one when I was doing hair. It was called in the Chair, and so I would be doing their hair and we'd both be miked up and just have fun conversations and it was so fun. But then I moved to Nashville did Kristen's reality show, and I had plans of going back to LA, but then the pandemic happened and I just stopped going back to LA. So, yes, I kind of want to go back into that because I love it. I love chatting with people and going deep with people.

00:38:17
Speaker 2: Well, I am so glad that you moved to Nashville, and I have loved meeting Kevin and Clark. Before you go, we're going to take a quick break and then we're going to jump into Paw and Order. O. Good, all right, we're back and for this week's Paw and Order, we are going to talk about three things. Where as a veterinarian, I would never do with my own pet. Number one, I would not use Google or pet md to try and diagnose my pet. This is a recipe to spiral, and guys like I'm the first one to get it. My I will twitch for four seconds and I'll be like, I have a brain tumor and I'm gonna.

00:39:04
Speaker 1: Die this exact same.

00:39:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad, and so I understand, but when it comes to your animals, try not to do that. I had an owner come in last week. Her dog was tilting its head. She was in hysterics. Had to read online that this can be because of a brain tumor and he just had an ear infection. We treated it and he was back to normal the next day. So spare yourself the trauma and stay off.

00:39:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, that would freak me out. When we first got Kevin, he went outside and he's I think he stepped on a wasp or a bee or something. And he came in and his face was so swollen and like he was freaked out. Like we were hysterical, like I mean just like to do a hysterical game and freaking out about like our baby. And it was like ten o'clock at night and we were like trying to get in touch with like a vetinaria and that was a nightmare of a night. Like we were both a mess, like trying to keep it together. But I was going on the I was googling it and the things that they were saying. I'm like, who is putting this information that They're like, get them to the hospital immediately, they can die. Their their throat's gonna close up. And I was like losing my mind. We're like righty around the house. Yes, we ended up finding a veterinarian in our neighborhood who helped us out.

00:40:08
Speaker 2: It definitely can send you down a rabbit hole and it's like, Okay, you know your dog needs to be seen and get care, but like and the intrum, it just turns you into like a total psychopath.

00:40:16
Speaker 1: So it's so funny because sco is like a total hypochondriac, and he like really freaks out about anything bad that happens. And like he and where I'm more like I had parents who were like, you broke your leg, You're fine, you can walk to school. You just walk home. Yeah, just hop the school or whatever. So I'm kind of the same way. But I always say to Scoot, I'm like, Scoot, these are dogs, Like they live, They're supposed to be out in the world, Like they could eat like garbage off the street and their stomachs would handle it or whatever. You know. I think they're pretty resilient, right, dogs very resilient.

00:40:46
Speaker 2: I mean you think about like their ancestors were like wolves hunting in the world. Yes, granted as Kevin sits in his little carrier and with a perfectly groomed hair. No, they are resilient, and and we tend to make a much bigger deal than out of like what's actually going on.

00:41:05
Speaker 1: I mean it is good to like worry, though you don't want to just like let your dog do any like I get it, but like it's a good reminder to us, like these dogs are built.

00:41:13
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, ask your vet always if you have questions, ask your vet, but like you don't need to go down to dark.

00:41:19
Speaker 1: Is your husband pretty chill about everything? Like so chill? Okay, So that's a good balance. That's like scooting. I like that guy. I like talk scoot off of the ledge all the time with that kind of stuff.

00:41:28
Speaker 2: Yeap, Luckily you're the yintur Yang.

00:41:31
Speaker 1: Okay.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: Number two. I would not let my dog drink out of communal dog bulls. Justin and I both live in Nashville. We know that, like in twelve South and Germantown, like a lot of restaurants and stores will have dog bowls out and I do love that. I think if you're in a pinch, like, of course, let your dog drink out of them. But they can get gi parasites and other viruses from contaminated water, so I'm really I try not to let them drink out of that. And then they make these like little they're not very aesthetically pleasing, but they make these little like plastic collapsible bulls that you can attach to their releash, so then you have them out and about and you can fill those up with water. So I would avoid the communal dog bulls as best as you can.

00:42:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, they drink their triple filtered water.

00:42:10
Speaker 2: Yes, I would expect nothing.

00:42:12
Speaker 1: We're traveling. I was like, what a communal dog won't't net for her. I don't even think they would do it. I think they would actually kind of be grossed that bay. They're so snobby. Our dogs like snobbier than scut and I like, we're actually kind of chill. But I don't think they would drink out of a communa bul. I think they'd literally look at it and walk away. I know Kevin would do that. He wouldn't do it. Kevin be like, absolutely, he is spoiled.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: Not know about reverse osmosis. Okay, number three. I would not go and buy new shoes and then leave them out, just kidding. I just did that, and I deeply regret it. My dogs haven't chewed shoes and years, and I just went and bought a fabulous new pair of shoes. My brother in law is getting married this weekend. And I came home and the heel is completely ripped off and chowed to shreds. And I thought maybe it was my big german chef bird, but it wasn't him. It was my sweet little dog who's never done anything wrong in her entire life. The listeners know Saya, yes, and she just went for it, and I can't blame her. It's my fall, like I left them out. But this is just a reminder. They are dogs. They're unpredictable. So anything nice that you don't want mess with, keep it up.

00:43:19
Speaker 1: Our dogs respect the shoes, thank god. Yeah, you're very lucky, very lucky with that. They like actually really respect shoes. They don't chew on them.

00:43:26
Speaker 2: Is there anything that they like to go for?

00:43:29
Speaker 1: Well, Kevin had like a little weird thing when he was like a younger puppy, like he chewed on the side of our cabinet in the kitchen. Yeah, but now it's like so cute, Like I love it. I don't want them. We didn't, we never painted over. I'm like, you know, that's so cute. I like love it.

00:43:40
Speaker 2: We're gonna move and like take the cabinet with because it's so cute.

00:43:43
Speaker 1: It's like these little, like tiny little bite marks in there. So you did that, And then I think Clark would if he was like left unattended. Do you create him when you leave we Well, he's never alone. He always could. When I tell you that they are I've never been alone. They really haven't.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: Double dog dads like let me come back.

00:44:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, like every time we go anywhere, it's over at Coco's house, you know, so they've never but Coco, we do the create training when they like take naps and stuff. Yeah that's good, but they've never been in our house by themselves.

00:44:12
Speaker 2: Dog that would rip each individual button off the remote control. Yeah. I don't know why, but she would do that.

00:44:19
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

00:44:20
Speaker 2: And I just kept getting remotes and she just kept to I mean, like you think I would have learned my lesson keep them up, but no. So anyways, yeah, keep your keep your nice things up if you don't want them to get chewed, even if your dog's never chew because they will surprise you. Anyways, that is our episode for the week. Thank you so much for coming on.

00:44:38
Speaker 1: This was so fun.

00:44:38
Speaker 2: I loved having you. If you guys don't follow Justin, you should. His handle is at Justin Anderson on Instagram. He is very active on there, so I.

00:44:47
Speaker 1: Got too active. I like enjoy it so much. I love that for you.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: I'm scared the dms I'm starting to get with this podcast are kind of crazy.

00:44:55
Speaker 1: Oh the dms are crazy. I mean, I could go into a whole thing with that with you. It's just yeah, it's hard, but I love it once you find the right community, and I think you can kind of like nurture your community to like set boundaries for yourself. You say things that people. I appreciate your feedback, but I completely disagree with you, right, but you can kind of set boundaries and stuff, and I really feel like you can create like a really great creative disagree, but it's funny. I mean, you're in that world where dogs, people have dogs and kids. I cannot believe the amount of like unsolicited feedback that people get. They'll feel very sor oh my gosh, Like when I watch my friends have a kid and they're on social media and then I see these comments that people write, I'm like, who are you by the way to like they're not whatever.

00:45:35
Speaker 2: It's great.

00:45:35
Speaker 1: I can't imagine.

00:45:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that to say, if you do have questions, you can feel free to DM me. I do welcome them. It's just been an adjustment, I would say. And then please rate, review, and subscribe anywhere you listen to your podcasts and then send in your questions because we do are still doing our Q and as every week, so tap the link in my bio and feel free to record and we'll see you next week. Thanks guys, by