Episode 283

<v Speaker 1>Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is
<v Speaker 1>not intended for all audiences.
<v Speaker 2>Listener discretion is advised. He asked me not to talk
<v Speaker 2>to the media. I don't mind. I don't need to
<v Speaker 2>talk to the media. I want to talk to you
<v Speaker 2>any quote unquote said Rodney. We actually thought he'd be
<v Speaker 2>home by Christmas. I said, well, you can't come home
<v Speaker 2>if you're fucking dead.
<v Speaker 3>Final Sword and Scale until April. So this is two
<v Speaker 3>eighty three, season twelve.
<v Speaker 1>Let's go.
<v Speaker 3>All right, no reason to further delay.
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<v Speaker 1>Here's the show. Adam J.
<v Speaker 3>Chase was born in October of nineteen eighty to his parents,
<v Speaker 3>Linden and Sylvia, in Gorham, New York. Growing up, Adam
<v Speaker 3>wasn't exactly the outdoorsy type. He spent most of his
<v Speaker 3>days inside playing computer games on his PC while his
<v Speaker 3>peers sped past his bedroom window on their BMX bikes,
<v Speaker 3>enjoying the beautiful nature that the Finger Legs region of
<v Speaker 3>Upstate New York has to offer. By high school, Adam's
<v Speaker 3>introverted personality hadn't changed much. In short, he was a nerd,
<v Speaker 3>not in a bad way, but you were more likely
<v Speaker 3>to catch him at the local renaissance fair dressed up
<v Speaker 3>in costume and festering on a fried turkey leg, and
<v Speaker 3>you were to spot him at let's say, sporting event.
<v Speaker 2>Or party private persons. There was nothing wrong with Adam
<v Speaker 2>except Adam was Adam. He wasn't a real sociable person
<v Speaker 2>other her own family.
<v Speaker 3>He loved his family, so when he met Rose, a
<v Speaker 3>girl one year younger than him, while attending Marcus Whitman High,
<v Speaker 3>Adam welcomed the attention from the opposite sex, something he
<v Speaker 3>hadn't exactly known prior. Adam was by no means the
<v Speaker 3>popular kid in school, but he did have a few
<v Speaker 3>core gaming buddies he hung around with. Rose, on the
<v Speaker 3>other hand, was much more of an outcast and struggled
<v Speaker 3>in school due to her dyslexia. As a result, she
<v Speaker 3>was subjected to more than.
<v Speaker 1>Her fair share of bullying.
<v Speaker 3>Adam came to a rescue on more than one occasion,
<v Speaker 3>and after learning that they shared an interest in sci
<v Speaker 3>fi movies in particular, it wasn't long before the two
<v Speaker 3>began dating, it seemed as though he'd found his fair maiden.
<v Speaker 3>Rose was just as eager to dress up in ornamental
<v Speaker 3>attire and accompany her new prince charming to his favorite
<v Speaker 3>historical events, celebrating the days of yesteryear. Just a couple
<v Speaker 3>of geeks, young and in love. A sweet but in
<v Speaker 3>terms of academics, Adam wasn't quite the stereotypical bookworm. In fact,
<v Speaker 3>he was pretty much the opposite and ended up dropping
<v Speaker 3>out right before his senior year. He eventually earned his
<v Speaker 3>ged before bouncing from one menial job to the next
<v Speaker 3>while his girlfriend Rose remained in high school. To the
<v Speaker 3>frustration of Rose's mother, Patty, Adam tried to convince his
<v Speaker 3>girlfriend to drop out along with him, hoping to jump
<v Speaker 3>start their new life together. Unfortunately for Adam, Rose's mother
<v Speaker 3>wasn't having it and insisted she finished school. Shortly after graduation,
<v Speaker 3>the now nineteen year old Rose and twenty year old
<v Speaker 3>Adam wasted no time trying to tie the knot and
<v Speaker 3>got married in two thousand and one. They moved into
<v Speaker 3>Patty's house while saving up to get a place of
<v Speaker 3>their own. By this point, Adam worked more low paying
<v Speaker 3>jobs than anyone would care to admit, selling anything from
<v Speaker 3>windows to used cars. Meanwhile, Rose secured a position working
<v Speaker 3>at a local factory. Between their two incomes, the newlyweds
<v Speaker 3>eventually managed to squirrel away enough cash to buy a
<v Speaker 3>small trailer in the nearby town of Bristol, New York.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't much, but you know, it was theirs, and
<v Speaker 3>after years of trying, Rose became pregnant with their first child.
<v Speaker 3>Their son, Tristan, was born in two thousand and seven.
<v Speaker 3>From that moment on, Adam dedicated his life to fatherhood
<v Speaker 3>and quit his job to become a stay at home
<v Speaker 3>dad full time. As for Rose, she was eventually given
<v Speaker 3>a promotion at the factory and soon became the sole breadwinner.
<v Speaker 3>A few years later, the couple was finally able to
<v Speaker 3>put a down payment on their first home in Stanley,
<v Speaker 3>New York, a big white colonial farmhouse with an oversized
<v Speaker 3>porch overlooking half an acre of remote land. Adam's mother
<v Speaker 3>and father also lived in Stanley, which meant baby Tristan
<v Speaker 3>got to spend quality time with his grandparents whenever Adam
<v Speaker 3>needed a break from his duty. Says mister mom. Lyndon
<v Speaker 3>and Sylvia Chase were happy to take Tristan whenever they
<v Speaker 3>had the chance. This was helpful because Adam and Rose
<v Speaker 3>now had a hefty mortgage payment to take care of.
<v Speaker 3>As a result, Adam was forced to look for a job,
<v Speaker 3>but struggled to lock down anything full time. Even so,
<v Speaker 3>he and his wife Rose found a way, as life does,
<v Speaker 3>and around the time their son was about to start kindergarten,
<v Speaker 3>Adam finally landed a low paying gig working as a
<v Speaker 3>student loan debt collector, the kind of guy I'm sure
<v Speaker 3>we all love. From the outside looking in, things seemed
<v Speaker 3>to be fine for Adam Rose Chase, that is until
<v Speaker 3>midsummer of twenty twelve rolled around. On the evening of
<v Speaker 3>June fourteenth, twenty twelve, Rose Chase showed up at Adam's
<v Speaker 3>parents' home to pick up their son, Tristan.
<v Speaker 4>Mother's intuition, but I knew something was definitely wrong.
<v Speaker 3>Before Sylvia could even open her mouth, Rose explained that
<v Speaker 3>she and Adam had gotten into a fight earlier that
<v Speaker 3>day and that she hadn't seen him since. Rose claimed
<v Speaker 3>that in the midst of a heated argument, Adam punched
<v Speaker 3>a hole in the upstairs wall before storming down the
<v Speaker 3>steps and out of the house. Rose said that she
<v Speaker 3>was certain Adam would be back in no time, thinking
<v Speaker 3>he'd simply be gone for a walk around the neighborhood
<v Speaker 3>cool off. According to Rose, that was around eleven am,
<v Speaker 3>roughly seven hours before. In addition, he had left his
<v Speaker 3>cell phone behind after night fell over Stanley, New York,
<v Speaker 3>and Adam still hadn't returned home. It was at that
<v Speaker 3>point that Rose said she drove to Sylvia's to inform
<v Speaker 3>her that her son had disappeared. After delivering this troubling news,
<v Speaker 3>Rose quickly gathered up her own son and was at
<v Speaker 3>the door. Sylvia's head was spinning. She tried to convince
<v Speaker 3>herself that her son was somewhere safe, but when morning
<v Speaker 3>came and there was still no sign of Adam, that
<v Speaker 3>anxious feeling in the pit of her stomach began to tighten.
<v Speaker 5>My son always called me when someone was up, always
<v Speaker 5>either me or his day.
<v Speaker 3>At After a sleepless night, Sylvia was forced to begin
<v Speaker 3>her shift at the local public school where she worked,
<v Speaker 3>with no indication of where her son had gone. Shortly
<v Speaker 3>after arriving, she spoke with a resource officer at the
<v Speaker 3>school to express her concerns given the fact that it
<v Speaker 3>had been roughly twenty four hours since Adam was last
<v Speaker 3>seen or heard from. The officer encouraged Adam's mother to
<v Speaker 3>file a missing persons report right away, which is exactly
<v Speaker 3>what Sylvia Chase did on the morning of June fifteenth,
<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve. Later that same day, a deputy with the
<v Speaker 3>Ontario County Sheriff's Department called up Adam's wife, Rose on
<v Speaker 3>the phone, provided that she was the last one to
<v Speaker 3>have seen Adam. Naturally, Rose was the person authorities wanted
<v Speaker 3>to speak with.
<v Speaker 2>The cher's department called her on Friday night and wanted
<v Speaker 2>to ask her questions instead of going to the house
<v Speaker 2>and asking if they could walk around and make sure
<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't eiding her in some place in the house.
<v Speaker 3>During that telephone conversation, Rose told officers that the day
<v Speaker 3>Adam went missing, their four year olds son was staying
<v Speaker 3>with Adam's mother, Sylvia, which was true, but Rose expanded
<v Speaker 3>on the original story she'd told Adam's mother by informing
<v Speaker 3>police that before Adam walked off, he'd called out of work.
<v Speaker 3>Adam's boss later confirmed the police that he had called
<v Speaker 3>in sick, but that it was hours after his shift
<v Speaker 3>had already begun, which, according to his employer, was uncharacteristic
<v Speaker 3>of him. Rose went on to explain to the officer
<v Speaker 3>that Adam wasn't actually sick, but had taken the day
<v Speaker 3>off so that he could discuss some marital issues they'd
<v Speaker 3>been having. Rose alluded to the deputy over the phone
<v Speaker 3>that there'd been some infidelity going on in their relationship.
<v Speaker 3>This was obviously a red flag, or at least it
<v Speaker 3>should have been. Without going into further detail. At the time,
<v Speaker 3>Rose told the officer about the argument that broke out,
<v Speaker 3>causing Adam to punch the wall and angrily walk out
<v Speaker 3>of the house. A few days later, on June eighteenth,
<v Speaker 3>investigators arrived at Rose's residence on Stanley to meet with
<v Speaker 3>her in person for the first time since Adam mysteriously disappeared.
<v Speaker 3>During that visit, Rose consented to a search of her
<v Speaker 3>and Adam's property, at which time police dogs began scouring
<v Speaker 3>the woods surrounding the farmhouse. While all of that was
<v Speaker 3>going on, investigators sat down to chat with Rose face
<v Speaker 3>to face. She reiterated that the last time she saw
<v Speaker 3>her husband was four days prior, on June fourteenth, While
<v Speaker 3>in the home, Rose was kind enough to lead officers
<v Speaker 3>upstairs to show them the hole that Adam had allegedly
<v Speaker 3>punched his fist through. While canines circled in the backyard,
<v Speaker 3>Rose suddenly produced a typewritten note to police that she
<v Speaker 3>claimed Adam had left behind. The exact contents of this
<v Speaker 3>note are unknown, but it was something to the effect
<v Speaker 3>of I'm never coming back, good riddance. After hours of
<v Speaker 3>searching outside, the dogs ultimately failed to pick up any
<v Speaker 3>trace of Adam outdoors. Authorities then asked Rose if the
<v Speaker 3>dogs could search inside the home. At first, she was hesitant.
<v Speaker 3>She told officers she was worried about the canines dragging
<v Speaker 3>mud inside. She also said that her dogs don't play
<v Speaker 3>well with others, But after some brief hesitation, Rose eventually complied.
<v Speaker 3>The dogs proceeded to lead authorities through the second story
<v Speaker 3>of the home, but when it came time to check
<v Speaker 3>the basement, Rose became even more apprehensive. She told police
<v Speaker 3>that the basement was somewhat of a mess due to
<v Speaker 3>the rodent infestation, and there was also some flooding caused
<v Speaker 3>by a bad sewer pump. But despite her reluctance, she
<v Speaker 3>eventually gave in to authorities once more and allowed them
<v Speaker 3>to continue the search. When they asked Rose if there
<v Speaker 3>was a light to the basement, she told them that
<v Speaker 3>there was, but that it had been broken. As officers
<v Speaker 3>walked down the cellar steps with their two canines leading
<v Speaker 3>the way, they found a light switch on the wall,
<v Speaker 3>and weirdly enough, it worked.
<v Speaker 1>It worked as fine.
<v Speaker 3>In addition, the basement wasn't flooded at all. The one
<v Speaker 3>thing Rose was right about, though, is that the basement
<v Speaker 3>was disgusting. The dogs proceeded to roam through the bottom
<v Speaker 3>dwelling of the residence, which was filled with piles of junk,
<v Speaker 3>including kids toys, rotten pieces of wood, an old door,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, other crap. While there was a slight
<v Speaker 3>musk in the air, the canines made no significant hit
<v Speaker 3>in the basement whatsoever, and all that they found were
<v Speaker 3>some dead rodents. After returning back upstairs, Rose delivered some
<v Speaker 3>alarming news. She told police that she believed Adam had
<v Speaker 3>returned to the house in days following his disappearance to
<v Speaker 3>retrieve his cell phone, which was now missing.
<v Speaker 1>That was all the.
<v Speaker 3>Information Rose had to offer during this particular visit, and
<v Speaker 3>after the canines and deputies alike came up empty handed.
<v Speaker 3>They eventually left the home, seemingly no closer to solving
<v Speaker 3>the disappearance of the young father. The following day, Adam's
<v Speaker 3>family began receiving some strange text messages sent from Adam's phone.
<v Speaker 3>Chase's sisters say there were two texts on June nineteenth,
<v Speaker 3>one to each of their parents.
<v Speaker 6>It said, staying with a friend in Canandagua.
<v Speaker 2>Need time to think.
<v Speaker 3>These texts were sent to both Adam's father, Linden and
<v Speaker 3>his mother Sylvia at the time. Sylvia tried to call
<v Speaker 3>Adam's phone back in me idiately, but by the time
<v Speaker 3>she did, it had already been turned off and Sylvia's
<v Speaker 3>call went directly to voicemail. After notifying the police about
<v Speaker 3>the texts, investigators were able to ping Adam's device to
<v Speaker 3>an area in Canadagua as its last known location, just
<v Speaker 3>like the text message set, but after searching the area
<v Speaker 3>roughly twelve miles north of where Adam was last seen,
<v Speaker 3>there was no trace of him or his phone. Adam's
<v Speaker 3>face was seen on virtually every telephone, poll and corner
<v Speaker 3>store window in upstate New York. At the foot of
<v Speaker 3>his Missing Persons Flyer was an address to a Facebook
<v Speaker 3>page helped bring Adam Chase home. It had been created
<v Speaker 3>by his sisters as a public space dedicated to any
<v Speaker 3>updates or developments regarding his whereabouts. Eventually, the overwhelming publicity
<v Speaker 3>of this case caught the eye of Rodney Miller, Ontario
<v Speaker 3>County deputy turned private investigator.
<v Speaker 2>Well, my name's Rodney G. Miller. I'm seventy three years old.
<v Speaker 2>But years ago, in nineteen eighty I got hired by
<v Speaker 2>Ontario County as a deputy.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney doesn't do zoom interviews. Some people are very particular
<v Speaker 3>about very random thing, so we sent one of our
<v Speaker 3>producers to Stanley, New York to interview him in person.
<v Speaker 3>Back in the nineteen eighties, Rodney Miller was a patrol
<v Speaker 3>cop for the better part of the decade and led
<v Speaker 3>the county in dui arrests.
<v Speaker 2>When I went to work, I went to work to work.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't go to work to goof off. I did
<v Speaker 2>my job. My record would speak for itself.
<v Speaker 3>But despite years of dedication to serving his community, the
<v Speaker 3>veteran officer was fired after refusing to go back to
<v Speaker 3>working overnight shifts.
<v Speaker 2>It was about shift change, He told me when I
<v Speaker 2>come back to work after my two days were off,
<v Speaker 2>I'd be going back on a night shift. And I said,
<v Speaker 2>that's not going to happen. They came the next morning
<v Speaker 2>toil me that they won my cars, my gunner badge,
<v Speaker 2>and my keys. Then I was terminated.
<v Speaker 3>After he was leto from the force in nineteen eighty six,
<v Speaker 3>Rodney began working mostly on insurance fraud cases as an
<v Speaker 3>independent PI. Fast forward years later to the summer of
<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve. After returning home from a case he'd been
<v Speaker 3>tackling out in Pennsylvania, Rodney learned that the person who'd
<v Speaker 3>been missing for more than two weeks by that point
<v Speaker 3>was a local man he'd known personally for quite some time.
<v Speaker 2>I knew there was a boy missing, but I did
<v Speaker 2>not know it was Adam until I came home from
<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania from a trip. And then my wife said, well,
<v Speaker 2>do you know who the boy is missing from Stanley?
<v Speaker 2>And I said no, She goes it's Adam Chase, And
<v Speaker 2>all I said to her was, well, where's he gonna go.
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have that many friends to go any place.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney's son went to high school without him. He's known
<v Speaker 3>the Chase family for years. Rodney also knew what kind
<v Speaker 3>of person Adam was. An introvert, so when he heard
<v Speaker 3>that the sheriff's department was treating the case like a
<v Speaker 3>missing person's investigation, it didn't make sense. Already, with a
<v Speaker 3>bad taste in his mouth and grievances towards the Ontario
<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff's Department, he decided to drop by the Chase
<v Speaker 3>family home on July fourth, twenty twelve.
<v Speaker 2>When I went to see them, Lennon asked me, what's up,
<v Speaker 2>and I said, why, come to help you find your son.
<v Speaker 3>During that first meeting with Adam's family, Sylvia showed Rodney
<v Speaker 3>a photo. It was a picture of Adam's wife, Rose,
<v Speaker 3>and she was with another man. The picture was taken
<v Speaker 3>in a local park, roughly one week before Adam disappeared.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney also learned that Adam had long suspected Rose of
<v Speaker 3>cheating before he went missing, and had expressed those suspicions
<v Speaker 3>to his loved ones. In turn, Adam's sisters Jessica and
<v Speaker 3>Becky decided to follow Rose that day, only to find
<v Speaker 3>their brother's wife up to another guy on a park bench.
<v Speaker 3>They quickly snapped the photo without being seen before running home,
<v Speaker 3>printing out the image and giving it to Adam.
<v Speaker 7>When they first showed Adam the picture, I told him
<v Speaker 7>it's just me on the park bench dating because that's
<v Speaker 7>to me.
<v Speaker 8>And what it looked like.
<v Speaker 7>And I tried Tom otherwise.
<v Speaker 2>Once she got confirmed with that photo that was her
<v Speaker 2>gay friend. There were little things that were being told
<v Speaker 2>that raised a lot of suspicion.
<v Speaker 3>But Adam's mother was worried and had already reported all
<v Speaker 3>this to the police. But Adam's family didn't feel like
<v Speaker 3>they were treating this investigative lead with any sense of urgency.
<v Speaker 3>Before Rodney left the Chase family home that day, he
<v Speaker 3>promised Adam's parents that he would find out what happened
<v Speaker 3>to their son, and from that moment on, he began
<v Speaker 3>working the case independently, free of charge.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't asked for any financial money or nothing. I
<v Speaker 2>just went there to tell him that I thought I
<v Speaker 2>could help him find Adam.
<v Speaker 9>Terro Connie Sheriff Stepan.
<v Speaker 5>He's are asking for your help tonight finding a missing man,
<v Speaker 5>they say.
<v Speaker 6>Thirty one year old Adam Chase went missing on June.
<v Speaker 3>Fourteenth, following a heated argument with his wife, In June
<v Speaker 3>of twenty twelve, thirty one year old Adam Chase walked
<v Speaker 3>off his front porch in Stanley, New York and never returned.
<v Speaker 3>But when Rodney Miller, a former deputy turned private investigator,
<v Speaker 3>heard the news, it didn't sit right with him. He
<v Speaker 3>was close to the family and knew that Adam wasn't
<v Speaker 3>the type of guy to just disappear. Not sure if
<v Speaker 3>I know the guy that just disappears though.
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.
<v Speaker 3>That's when he began an investigation of his own, working
<v Speaker 3>on the case pro bono and without the help of police.
<v Speaker 3>Several weeks after Adam went missing, Rodney Millard drove to
<v Speaker 3>the place where he was last seen to speak with
<v Speaker 3>his wife Rose.
<v Speaker 2>The day I went to see her. When I pulled
<v Speaker 2>in and I went up and introduced myself, we were
<v Speaker 2>at the side of the house by there were two
<v Speaker 2>porches on that house. There was a side porch and
<v Speaker 2>there was a front porch. When I was a youngster
<v Speaker 2>in school, that was one of my hangouts. That house.
<v Speaker 2>The family that used to live there in Lipping Cuts
<v Speaker 2>were very good friends of mine and still are to
<v Speaker 2>this day. So I knew that house almost like the
<v Speaker 2>back of my hand.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney never stepped foot inside of Rose's house that day,
<v Speaker 3>but he wasn't shy and letting her know that he
<v Speaker 3>was fairly certain she had something to do with her
<v Speaker 3>husband's disappearance.
<v Speaker 2>She's setting on this back porch, She's facing towards the house,
<v Speaker 2>and she's looking right into the window of the cellar.
<v Speaker 2>She's setting down the steps, and I used an old
<v Speaker 2>trick that I was taught. I got close to her
<v Speaker 2>and I touched her on her shoulder, and she shook
<v Speaker 2>like a leaf and I got right down and I'm
<v Speaker 2>right beside her face, and I in a whisper, I
<v Speaker 2>say to her, Rose, I know about the fight that
<v Speaker 2>she had upstairs in the hole in the wall. And
<v Speaker 2>she trembled for maybe twenty five or fifteen seconds, and
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, she springs right up, turns around,
<v Speaker 2>the stands right in front of me and says, I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 2>He walked out of the house and I didn't see
<v Speaker 2>which way he went. And I looked right at her
<v Speaker 2>and told her to her face, I think you killed him.
<v Speaker 3>Naturally, to Rose, these allegations were outlandish, and she just
<v Speaker 3>denied being involved in anything of the sort. But that
<v Speaker 3>was all it took for her to opt out of
<v Speaker 3>the conversation altogether. Rose said her goodbyes to Rodney Miller
<v Speaker 3>before shut flying back inside her house. After departing from Rose,
<v Speaker 3>Rodney was on his way back to pay someone else
<v Speaker 3>to visit a former colleague, give his Ontario County Sheriff,
<v Speaker 3>Phil Pavero.
<v Speaker 2>I left her house and went to the Sheriff's house,
<v Speaker 2>sat on his ports with him, and told him that
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe he ever left the house.
<v Speaker 3>Imagine having good reason to believe that something is true,
<v Speaker 3>screaming it from the rooftops, only to have your words
<v Speaker 3>fall on deaf ears. I can relate. But that's exactly
<v Speaker 3>how Rodney Miller felt working this case. Even so, he
<v Speaker 3>chose to push forward and urged the sheriff to start
<v Speaker 3>looking at Adam Chase's disappearance from a different angle. But
<v Speaker 3>according to what Rodney told us, the sheriff wasn't interested.
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't tell me what they'd done or were doing,
<v Speaker 2>because that was none of my business, which I understood.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't asking for that. I was telling him what
<v Speaker 2>I felt, And he said, off the record, we think
<v Speaker 2>he committed suicide. We're going to find him out in
<v Speaker 2>the woods of the fields, and that was the summer.
<v Speaker 2>We were having two to hundred and some degree days,
<v Speaker 2>and if he was in the fields of the woods,
<v Speaker 2>the buzzards would have told us where he was. And
<v Speaker 2>I disagreed with him and told him that I don't
<v Speaker 2>think he ever left the house.
<v Speaker 3>By this point, investigators had already visited over ten hotels
<v Speaker 3>in the area, as well as a local cemetery where
<v Speaker 3>one of Adam's friends had recently been buried, thinking maybe
<v Speaker 3>the missing thirty one year old father had been distraught
<v Speaker 3>and took his own life in that very location, But
<v Speaker 3>just like the searches of his home, nothing was found
<v Speaker 3>at the cemetery. Despite his suspicions of Adam's wife, Rose,
<v Speaker 3>the sheriff essentially ignored Rodney and told him to let
<v Speaker 3>the police handle it. In the eyes of law enforcement,
<v Speaker 3>Rose had been cooperative up to that point, and there
<v Speaker 3>was reason to consider her a suspect. With that being said,
<v Speaker 3>authorities did stop by Rose's residence a second time that July.
<v Speaker 3>When Rose invited the deputies in, they noticed a man
<v Speaker 3>sitting on the couch and at sure as hell wasn't Adam.
<v Speaker 2>The gay friend moved in two days after Adam went missing.
<v Speaker 3>It took a moment for authorities to realize that the
<v Speaker 3>man sitting there had a striking resemblance to the individual
<v Speaker 3>seen in the photo from the park weeks before aka
<v Speaker 3>Rose's gay friend Mark. During that police visit, Rose started
<v Speaker 3>to event more openly to the officers. She told them
<v Speaker 3>that Adam had stopped paying attention to her romantically in
<v Speaker 3>the days leading up to his disappearance. She went on
<v Speaker 3>to say that all he ever wanted to do was
<v Speaker 3>play video games on his computer, that she was fed
<v Speaker 3>up with him, and if Adam were to walk through
<v Speaker 3>the front door at that very moment, she wouldn't take
<v Speaker 3>him back. Rose then asked the deputies something rather strange.
<v Speaker 3>When she inquired about the process of filing for divorce.
<v Speaker 3>Rose also said she was going to sell Adam's motorcycle,
<v Speaker 3>almost inferring that he wouldn't be coming back to get it.
<v Speaker 3>The officer then flat out asked Rose if she killed
<v Speaker 3>her husband, to which she said no. The deputy then
<v Speaker 3>suggested she call a lawyer regarding the divorce before leaving
<v Speaker 3>the residents. On July tenth, twenty twelve, Rose was interviewed
<v Speaker 3>by The Daily Messenger, a local publication in town, and
<v Speaker 3>was quoted in the paper stating the following.
<v Speaker 10>I just want to make sure he's safe and that
<v Speaker 10>he knows people miss him. We do miss him. I
<v Speaker 10>just hope it ends on a happy note.
<v Speaker 3>Rose Chase began popping up on virtually every local news
<v Speaker 3>station in Ontario County and never seemed to pass up
<v Speaker 3>an opportunity when it came to press. During almost all
<v Speaker 3>of these televised appearances, Rose pleaded for her husband Adam
<v Speaker 3>to come home in hopes that he might be out
<v Speaker 3>there somewhere watching Adam.
<v Speaker 11>If you are seeing this, can you please come home
<v Speaker 11>to your family.
<v Speaker 12>They really do miss you.
<v Speaker 11>And if anybody knows where Adam is, please contact Interior
<v Speaker 11>County Sheriffs so this way the family can know how
<v Speaker 11>he is and that he's okay.
<v Speaker 3>While Rose was seemingly reveling in the local media spotlight,
<v Speaker 3>behind the scenes, she continued to speak with law enforcement
<v Speaker 3>on several occasions, but to the frustration of Adam's family,
<v Speaker 3>nothing seemed to come out of it. As a result, Then,
<v Speaker 3>on Saturday, July twenty eighth, Rodney Miller drove back to
<v Speaker 3>Rose's house for another visit, at which point he asked
<v Speaker 3>her if he could search Adam's car that hadn't left
<v Speaker 3>the driveway since the day he disappeared.
<v Speaker 2>She was outside again when I pulled in, walking around
<v Speaker 2>with her in the sun. I introduced myself again. She remembers,
<v Speaker 2>she said, she remembered me, and I asked her if
<v Speaker 2>she popped the trunk of the car and I could
<v Speaker 2>make sure that Adam was in there. She did that,
<v Speaker 2>and then I asked her if we could go inside
<v Speaker 2>and walk through the house, and she told me I could.
<v Speaker 3>Rose took Rodney upstairs first, and the two proceeded to
<v Speaker 3>walk every square inch of the second floor.
<v Speaker 2>She showed me the hole a wall, and she showed
<v Speaker 2>me where he played his games and stuff, and the
<v Speaker 2>house was literally a mess. They weren't the best of housekeepers.
<v Speaker 2>As we're walking back down, the boyfriend sat down the
<v Speaker 2>couch about fifteen feet from me, and that was Mark Broadhurst.
<v Speaker 3>Before leaving the house that day, Rodney had one last
<v Speaker 3>request for Rose, and that was to look around the basement.
<v Speaker 2>I asked Rose, can I look go down in the basement.
<v Speaker 2>She said, no, it's flooded, And I said well, at
<v Speaker 2>least let me look. And she opened the door and
<v Speaker 2>turned on the light, and the basement floor was as
<v Speaker 2>dry as could be, And I said, do you mind
<v Speaker 2>if I go down, And on the third step I
<v Speaker 2>smelled him.
<v Speaker 3>Before Rodney even got halfway down the basement stairs, the
<v Speaker 3>foul odor of decay hit him like a ton of bricks.
<v Speaker 3>When he asked Rose about the smell, she pointed out
<v Speaker 3>several dead animals scattered among the concrete floor.
<v Speaker 2>They were like a dead squirrel. And I forget what
<v Speaker 2>was there, but there was a couple of carcasses laying
<v Speaker 2>on the floor. And she said, I have let her
<v Speaker 2>road problems in the house.
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't see much. It was extremely dark. Though there
<v Speaker 3>was one light working in the basement, an entire corner
<v Speaker 3>remained unlit.
<v Speaker 2>The back part of the basement she took taken all
<v Speaker 2>the lights out, and that did have a little water
<v Speaker 2>on the floor, not to wetch your shoe.
<v Speaker 3>Just then Rodney stumbled upon an oversized freezer, the kind
<v Speaker 3>big enough for a body.
<v Speaker 2>There was a chess freezer in the one corner of
<v Speaker 2>the basement, and I asked her to open it so
<v Speaker 2>I could look in there, and that just I think
<v Speaker 2>relatively was empty.
<v Speaker 3>After failing to find anything when it comes to physical evidence,
<v Speaker 3>Rose walked Rodney out to his car.
<v Speaker 2>We walked back up and she came back out, and
<v Speaker 2>she's walking in the yard with me, and she's walking
<v Speaker 2>beside me, and I have a specific question I want
<v Speaker 2>to ask her. I'm looking for an answer. I said
<v Speaker 2>to Rose, what are you going to do if one
<v Speaker 2>of these knights Adam comes home, walks in the house
<v Speaker 2>and you're in bed with another man. And she says
<v Speaker 2>to me. She starts to say, he ain't and she
<v Speaker 2>caught herself and she goes, I'm not taking him back,
<v Speaker 2>but she said what I wanted her to, he ain't
<v Speaker 2>coming back.
<v Speaker 1>And that was that.
<v Speaker 3>From there, Rodney drove to Sheriff Pavero's house, just like
<v Speaker 3>last time, except now he had new information. That information
<v Speaker 3>was that he was fairly certain something was rotting inside
<v Speaker 3>Rose's basement.
<v Speaker 2>I went to Serpavo's house again, set right on the
<v Speaker 2>boards beside him, and I said, I can't prove that
<v Speaker 2>he's in the basement, but I know he was in
<v Speaker 2>the basement, I said, Phil, I smelled him at the
<v Speaker 2>third step, but I couldn't find him. I could smell him,
<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't find him.
<v Speaker 3>The sheriff thanked Rodney before telling him that they'd already
<v Speaker 3>been in the basement with the dogs and Adam wasn't there. Disappointed,
<v Speaker 3>Rodney Miller then drove back to his wife across town,
<v Speaker 3>feeling a bit more hopeless than he had before. Several
<v Speaker 3>months would pass, and as the leaves begin to change,
<v Speaker 3>there's still no sign of Adam. His thirty second birthday
<v Speaker 3>eventually came and went that October. On the fifth month
<v Speaker 3>anniversary of his disappearance, the Ontario the Sheriff's Department held
<v Speaker 3>a press conference on Wednesday, November fourteenth, twenty twelve. Adam's mother, Sylvia,
<v Speaker 3>and his sister Jessica were seen sitting at a long
<v Speaker 3>table to the right of the sheriff and the lead investigator.
<v Speaker 3>At the opposite end of the table was Adam's wife,
<v Speaker 3>Rose Chase. Unlike her prior on camera appearances, Rose sat
<v Speaker 3>silently for the majority of the press conference with her
<v Speaker 3>eyes glued to the floor. During the broadcast, authorities urged
<v Speaker 3>anyone with information regarding Adam's whereabouts to come forward, but
<v Speaker 3>these press conferences and news headlines were becoming redundant. Regardless,
<v Speaker 3>the sheriff expressed his optimism, stating his personal belief that
<v Speaker 3>Adam was out there, still alive, and the investigation remained
<v Speaker 3>in full swing. Out of the family members present that day,
<v Speaker 3>Adam's mother was the only one to speak. Sylvia scanned
<v Speaker 3>her eyes across the sea of local journalists and begged
<v Speaker 3>her son to come home, just like she had countless
<v Speaker 3>times before.
<v Speaker 5>Adam, if you can hear this, you have a place
<v Speaker 5>to come home to call me, email me, whichever, Just
<v Speaker 5>come on home.
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, Rodney Miller was working around the clock on his
<v Speaker 3>own without the help.
<v Speaker 1>Of law enforcement.
<v Speaker 3>He never once believed Adam walked off on his own accord.
<v Speaker 3>In his gut, there was only one person responsible for
<v Speaker 3>whatever happened to him, and that was Adam's wife, Rose Chase.
<v Speaker 3>But he had to prove it. In the eyes of
<v Speaker 3>the local sheriff's department, any evidence Rodney brought them was circumstantial. Eventually,
<v Speaker 3>the independent investigation into the disappearance of his family friend
<v Speaker 3>began to weigh on him, and for his own sanity,
<v Speaker 3>Rodney had to step away.
<v Speaker 2>There came a point when I walked away from it.
<v Speaker 2>I had things to do around the farm. I burn
<v Speaker 2>would for my heat. I knew winter was coming. I
<v Speaker 2>had to get some of my stuff done, and I'd
<v Speaker 2>actually got burned out about Adam.
<v Speaker 3>As the winter frost began to settle in that year,
<v Speaker 3>for the first time since getting involved, Rodney Miller began
<v Speaker 3>to fear that Adam might never be found.
<v Speaker 2>It was a snowy, cold day, and when I come home,
<v Speaker 2>my wife said, I sat in a lounge chair and
<v Speaker 2>my wife said, what are you going to do? And
<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't know. I'm running out of things
<v Speaker 2>to do, and if the weather changes were not going
<v Speaker 2>to find them.
<v Speaker 3>But that feeling of defeat shifted when Rodney got a
<v Speaker 3>call from an old friend.
<v Speaker 2>But then I got a phone call was Adam's father, Lyndon,
<v Speaker 2>and his father said, the SHARE's department fucked us and
<v Speaker 2>if you don't help us find our son, we ain't
<v Speaker 2>going to find him. At her he said, why'd you
<v Speaker 2>give up? He said he never give up, and I said,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't give up. I said, I just had to
<v Speaker 2>get away from it for a while, because I walked
<v Speaker 2>a lot of miles looking for Adam.
<v Speaker 3>That was all it took for Rodney to pick himself
<v Speaker 3>up and dive back into the case, remembering the promise
<v Speaker 3>he'd made to the Chase family.
<v Speaker 2>After that conversation had kind of fired me up, and
<v Speaker 2>I went back a lot harder than I did in the.
<v Speaker 3>Beginning with a newfound rejuvenation. The former deputy turned private
<v Speaker 3>detective Rodney Miller decided to play his last hand and
<v Speaker 3>executed a final trick that he had up his sleeve.
<v Speaker 3>In mid December of twenty twelve, he devised a plan,
<v Speaker 3>a plan that involved a little help from Rose's new babysitter.
<v Speaker 2>And I called Sandy and I said, well, you help me.
<v Speaker 2>She want to know what I wanted, and I said, well,
<v Speaker 2>when Rose comes to pick up her Sunday night, I
<v Speaker 2>want you to tell her so you don't get in trouble,
<v Speaker 2>that you heard it from another one of your customers
<v Speaker 2>that there's a break in the case. They're gonna make
<v Speaker 2>an arrest and charge somebody with murder.
<v Speaker 3>Essentially, Rodney came up with the idea to have the
<v Speaker 3>babysitter tell Rose that she'd heard rumblings around town, rumors
<v Speaker 3>that authorities were ramping up to make an arrest regarding
<v Speaker 3>her husband's disappearance in the coming days, which in actuality
<v Speaker 3>was bullshit.
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing there to make an arrest on my
<v Speaker 2>end other than the bluff.
<v Speaker 3>When Rose came to pick up her son from Sandy's
<v Speaker 3>house just after five pm the evening of December thirteenth,
<v Speaker 3>the babysitter followed through with her end of the plan
<v Speaker 3>as instructed, but unfortunately no dice in terms of a
<v Speaker 3>confession from Rose Chase. She appeared nervous when Sandy made
<v Speaker 3>mention of an arrest, but ultimately Rose kept her mouth shut,
<v Speaker 3>picked up her son, and was soon on her way
<v Speaker 3>back home in Stanley. As soon as Rose left, Sandy
<v Speaker 3>texted Rodney to let him know she'd planted a seed
<v Speaker 3>of fear in Rose. But if we've learned anything from
<v Speaker 3>our communications with Rodney Miller, it's at He's great at
<v Speaker 3>a lot of things, but texting isn't one of them.
<v Speaker 2>And she didn't call me. I told her not to
<v Speaker 2>text me because I don't read Texas. But anyways, she
<v Speaker 2>texted me, but it came quarterly after five, and I
<v Speaker 2>knew she picked him up at five o'clock. She didn't
<v Speaker 2>call me, so I called her and I said, Sandy
<v Speaker 2>did she pick up. Yes, she goes, didn't you get
<v Speaker 2>my text? And I said, I told you not to
<v Speaker 2>text me. But anyways, she said you should go. She said,
<v Speaker 2>well she left here. She was as white as the
<v Speaker 2>she and all she could say was oh shit, oh shit.
<v Speaker 3>After getting off the phone with Sandy Rodney, Miller rushed
<v Speaker 3>over to his number one suspect's residence, just a few
<v Speaker 3>miles away.
<v Speaker 2>I was all ready to go. I'd had my coat
<v Speaker 2>on and I was ready to go to her house.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I did that evening.
<v Speaker 3>He confronted Rose, and he informed her that for her
<v Speaker 3>this was the end of the road.
<v Speaker 2>When I went there that night, she came out on
<v Speaker 2>the front porch and sat down and I said, Rose,
<v Speaker 2>I've had enough. You got to give him up. You're
<v Speaker 2>never going to be at peace. Do you tell me
<v Speaker 2>what you did with him? And I want to know
<v Speaker 2>where you buried him? And just like that, she took
<v Speaker 2>her hands away from her face and looked right at
<v Speaker 2>me and said, I didn't bury him. I said, where
<v Speaker 2>is he? I took him to my mother's where he's
<v Speaker 2>in the burn barrel. Where are the bones? They're in
<v Speaker 2>the barrel. Then when I asked her, who helps you
<v Speaker 2>take him out of the house. She just said, I
<v Speaker 2>took him out by myself. I said, how piece by piece.
<v Speaker 3>Before Rodney Miller called the sheriff to let him know
<v Speaker 3>Rose Chase had just confessed to murder. She walked back
<v Speaker 3>inside to say goodbye to her new boyfriend Mark.
<v Speaker 2>It was a cool night. She wanted to go and
<v Speaker 2>get her coat and cigarettes, and I walked back into
<v Speaker 2>the house with her. She walks over into the side
<v Speaker 2>of the house again to the couch where the boyfriend
<v Speaker 2>Mark satin and he gets up and he's standing in
<v Speaker 2>front of her, and she puts her hands out like
<v Speaker 2>she's looking for a hug, and she says to the
<v Speaker 2>the boyfriend, I killed Adam and his jaw dropped the
<v Speaker 2>belt down to his belt buckle.
<v Speaker 3>It didn't take long after that for the local authorities
<v Speaker 3>to come knocking on Rose's door with a search warrant
<v Speaker 3>in hand. Rose was in tears when police showed up.
<v Speaker 3>She knew it was over. While a team of investigators
<v Speaker 3>searched the property once more, Rose broke down to one
<v Speaker 3>of the detectives and told him exactly what she'd just
<v Speaker 3>told Rodney Miller. That she had killed Adam and burned
<v Speaker 3>his remains. Before she was placed in the handcuffs, Rose
<v Speaker 3>knelt down to her son Tristan, who had been playing
<v Speaker 3>with his toys on the carpet.
<v Speaker 2>He was down on the floor plane with something and
<v Speaker 2>she squatted down game a hug and said, man, he's
<v Speaker 2>got to go away for a while.
<v Speaker 3>Rose was then transported to the Ontario County Sheriff's office
<v Speaker 3>for questioning, where she'd reveal all of the shocking details
<v Speaker 3>surrounding what really happened to her husband of eleven years,
<v Speaker 3>Adam Chase.
<v Speaker 13>So when we were in there the night that we
<v Speaker 13>came over with me and investigator during where in the.
<v Speaker 2>Basement was.
<v Speaker 13>The part that I tooda the light when it work.
<v Speaker 3>Rose was questioned for nearly two and a half hours,
<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't much of an interrogation, Just like she
<v Speaker 3>had to Rodney Miller hours before. Rose began confessing to
<v Speaker 3>the murder of her husband Adam almost as soon as
<v Speaker 3>she sat down.
<v Speaker 13>I had.
<v Speaker 7>Along the wall and he was underneath all this that.
<v Speaker 14>Was in the quarner.
<v Speaker 3>The more she continued to speak, the detectives began to
<v Speaker 3>pick up on two main aspects. Number one, the end
<v Speaker 3>result of this tragedy was much more grotesque than they
<v Speaker 3>could have anticipated, and number two, they fucked up. Rose
<v Speaker 3>was quick to tell detectives that on the morning of
<v Speaker 3>June fourteenth, her husband Adam, confronted her about having an affair.
<v Speaker 3>This was warranted considering the fact that Mark, the man
<v Speaker 3>who was photographed with Rose in the park, wasn't her
<v Speaker 3>gay friend at all, but instead her new boyfriend, well
<v Speaker 3>one of them anyway. By now, investigators had already seen
<v Speaker 3>east Roses computer back at her residence, and it didn't
<v Speaker 3>take long for them to find several romantic emails she'd
<v Speaker 3>been sending to various men behind Adam's back.
<v Speaker 13>I mean, let's let's be perfectly honest.
<v Speaker 15>We had your tower computer, yeah, right, and I saw
<v Speaker 15>and I pound the emails in there from three four
<v Speaker 15>years ago, and you're talking to other men and saying
<v Speaker 15>that I'm yeah, I'm married technically, but we don't really
<v Speaker 15>have anything to do.
<v Speaker 13>With each other. I mean, I'm sure in your mind
<v Speaker 13>it was it was over long ago, and part of it,
<v Speaker 13>you know that then.
<v Speaker 7>It was true we fairly talked to each other, and
<v Speaker 7>then I didn't realized Adam put a key Water. So
<v Speaker 7>he was watched.
<v Speaker 15>Seeing what I Want right right, because he was probably
<v Speaker 15>suspicious of what was going on.
<v Speaker 13>But that person that was never right, didn't that person?
<v Speaker 3>During that fatal argument, Rose admitted to Adam that she'd
<v Speaker 3>been cheating on him, adding insult to injury. She told
<v Speaker 3>him that it was his fault. Why you ask well,
<v Speaker 3>because all that Adam ever wanted to do was play
<v Speaker 3>video games. Clearly Rose is an extremely reasonable woman, but
<v Speaker 3>what really sent Adam over the edge was when his
<v Speaker 3>wife told him that their four year old son, Tristan
<v Speaker 3>wasn't his.
<v Speaker 13>The day that he called into work. Is that when
<v Speaker 13>has happened?
<v Speaker 14>Yes, okay, what happened? Him?
<v Speaker 7>And I called into work so this way we could
<v Speaker 7>warn things out. He went back to sleep after he
<v Speaker 7>called up in his boss. Okay, I tried waking in love.
<v Speaker 7>It took me a while, but he finally got up.
<v Speaker 7>He went upstairs to grab a smoke. Then you started
<v Speaker 7>to go on the computer. I go, I thought we
<v Speaker 7>were going to talk about this, started arguing again, the
<v Speaker 7>fact that Mark chistning and I go, yes, it was
<v Speaker 7>only a chiss and he goes, well, you told me
<v Speaker 7>last night that we're going to get a DNA test
<v Speaker 7>done on Tristan.
<v Speaker 14>I told him.
<v Speaker 7>I told him then, no name, Tristan's not yours. He
<v Speaker 7>got furious, punched the wall.
<v Speaker 13>That was the that was the hole that we saw.
<v Speaker 13>I went to grab him. He did push me away.
<v Speaker 13>I went to grab him again, and.
<v Speaker 14>I don't know how if.
<v Speaker 7>He tried to push me away again, or if.
<v Speaker 16>I tried to grab and he grabbed him wrong.
<v Speaker 7>But he his foot caught the stairs and he tumbled
<v Speaker 7>down the stairs.
<v Speaker 3>Rose called out to Adam, but he didn't respond on
<v Speaker 3>then he wasn't moving. According to her statements to police,
<v Speaker 3>it's quite possible that he broke his neck.
<v Speaker 12>Not what happened.
<v Speaker 14>When I got there, I paused.
<v Speaker 13>I go at him, you okay, and it'd shuck him
<v Speaker 13>a little bit.
<v Speaker 14>Waited a few more minutes. Still wasn't moving. I shook
<v Speaker 14>him again, was.
<v Speaker 13>To see if he had a pause where okay, checked
<v Speaker 13>his neck at all, to see if he had one there, okay,
<v Speaker 13>all right, thank you.
<v Speaker 16>Then I just waited a few more minutes, and then
<v Speaker 16>he started to let himself okay.
<v Speaker 3>It's unclear how long Adam was alive following the traumatic injury,
<v Speaker 3>but in all likelihood he could have been saved. Instead,
<v Speaker 3>Rose made the decision to leave him there at the
<v Speaker 3>bottom of.
<v Speaker 1>The steps to die.
<v Speaker 3>She didn't call nine one one, She didn't render any
<v Speaker 3>aid to her husband. She just left him there.
<v Speaker 13>I panicked, I didn't want.
<v Speaker 7>I didn't know.
<v Speaker 13>Any of the neighbors for anything. I really panicked. Dragged him.
<v Speaker 13>That was just struggle, But I dragged him. Was he
<v Speaker 13>was he moving at all? Was he fighting back at all?
<v Speaker 13>And he also moving at all? How long from the
<v Speaker 13>time that he fell down the stairs to.
<v Speaker 2>Him to be figured.
<v Speaker 14>Okay after he brought himself if when he knew was dead.
<v Speaker 3>Rose then described what happened before following day. She told
<v Speaker 3>investigators that she originally planned to hide Adam's body in
<v Speaker 3>the crawl space, but he was too.
<v Speaker 14>Big and went to the things. Sylvia called me.
<v Speaker 7>And said that she talked to the sheriff, that he
<v Speaker 7>wanted to talk to me. So I went back to
<v Speaker 7>the house in the panic. So I have just laying
<v Speaker 7>in there, and I didn't want to share to see
<v Speaker 7>him there because I knew she would brust me right
<v Speaker 7>on the spot. So that little corner cut.
<v Speaker 16>Out of the wall.
<v Speaker 13>I thought about putting him in there.
<v Speaker 7>I went in there, checked it out.
<v Speaker 14>I was going to put him in an area in
<v Speaker 14>the dirt, but.
<v Speaker 7>When I went to move him, she just to really lift.
<v Speaker 13>Him there far.
<v Speaker 3>When authorities first called Rose on the phone the day
<v Speaker 3>that Adam's mother reported him missing, he was still in
<v Speaker 3>plain sight at the bottom of the stairs, and more
<v Speaker 3>likely he was still alive. After hanging up the phone,
<v Speaker 3>Rose realized she needed to get moving and moving quickly
<v Speaker 3>to hide the body.
<v Speaker 7>Grabbed a bag out from the kitchen, waving the bags
<v Speaker 7>underneath him.
<v Speaker 14>Still wasn't doing anything. Got him on that bad I.
<v Speaker 7>Mean it was one of those heavy duties. Are almost
<v Speaker 7>like what you use for lining of a waterbed.
<v Speaker 15>Okay, yeah, then made it a little.
<v Speaker 13>Bit easier to drag them into.
<v Speaker 7>After I got.
<v Speaker 13>Them to the stairwell in the.
<v Speaker 7>Right in front of the basement, still wasn't moving anything.
<v Speaker 7>I actually cleared all those doors and stuff out of
<v Speaker 7>the stairwells, giving myself some more room.
<v Speaker 14>Grabbed them.
<v Speaker 13>He's still not moving. Got him right there. He's right
<v Speaker 13>there on the power.
<v Speaker 7>Form, and I gave him another show into the basement.
<v Speaker 14>I'm going to hear him.
<v Speaker 7>I just let gravity, just let gravity do its work.
<v Speaker 13>There there he hit his head.
<v Speaker 3>Rose can be seen in the interrogation footage getting out
<v Speaker 3>of her seat to demonstrate how she folded Adam's body
<v Speaker 3>up like a pretzel into a fetal position.
<v Speaker 7>I actually drag him by his feet into.
<v Speaker 13>The lower park of.
<v Speaker 7>The basement, got him to this way he was, it's
<v Speaker 7>properly like this, and I struggled to get him into
<v Speaker 7>this position, okay, and that's when I put this harp when.
<v Speaker 3>Again it's unclear exactly when Adam died, but from what
<v Speaker 3>Rose was saying, it was a long and excruciating process.
<v Speaker 3>Rigor mortis sets in within a couple of hours of
<v Speaker 3>death and lasts up to four days. If Adam's body
<v Speaker 3>was able to be manipulated in the way Rose had
<v Speaker 3>demonstrated for detectives, he was likely still breathing helplessly in
<v Speaker 3>the basement. It may be hard to believe, but Adam
<v Speaker 3>having been left paralyzed potentially for days before he took
<v Speaker 3>his last breath, is only the beginning of the horrific
<v Speaker 3>manner in which he lost his life.
<v Speaker 7>It was my son's pitful that he was originally over
<v Speaker 7>top of him. I had all the skins of stuff
<v Speaker 7>surrounding him.
<v Speaker 13>Then I put long chases on board over top of it, and.
<v Speaker 1>I made it look like a table.
<v Speaker 3>Rose told authorities she left Adam in the basement for
<v Speaker 3>about two weeks before she dragged various pieces of lumber
<v Speaker 3>from her backyard down through the bulkhead. Those pieces of
<v Speaker 3>wood were ultimately used to conceal Adam's body, along with
<v Speaker 3>the other items. But according to Rodney Miller, law enforcement
<v Speaker 3>should have already known this. That's because they interviewed Rose's
<v Speaker 3>neighbor who saw her doing this, but for some reason,
<v Speaker 3>they never took down his statement or made any sort
<v Speaker 3>of official report.
<v Speaker 2>Timmy Marks watches her on that Saturday carry this old
<v Speaker 2>burned door back down to the basement. He can't figure
<v Speaker 2>out what she's doing, and he's gonna go help her,
<v Speaker 2>but his phone rings. But when he comes back out,
<v Speaker 2>he notices that she taking out the door in the
<v Speaker 2>basement somehow. Now she's carrying all this rotten wood.
<v Speaker 3>Weeks after Adam went missing in June of twenty twelve,
<v Speaker 3>roses neighbor Timmy noticed her doing some landscaping. Approximately five
<v Speaker 3>days after that, the neighbor was interviewed by police.
<v Speaker 2>The same Deputy John Beck goes to Timmy Marx's house.
<v Speaker 2>What can you tell us about your neighbor Adam Chase? Well, why,
<v Speaker 2>John tells him he's missing. Oh, Timmy Mark says to
<v Speaker 2>John Beck, you got to check the basement where she
<v Speaker 2>carried that door in wood, and what they did was nothing.
<v Speaker 3>One would think that this is pretty important information, but
<v Speaker 3>to law enforcement it apparently wasn't. This crucial investigative lead,
<v Speaker 3>which would have led to recovering Adam's body early on,
<v Speaker 3>was essentially thrown to the wayside. Bad police work.
<v Speaker 7>The house, well, only the basement, And I've had people
<v Speaker 7>in the house. They know I like to burn candles,
<v Speaker 7>so they didn't really smell anything out of the ordinary.
<v Speaker 14>I can never wandered down into the base I try
<v Speaker 14>to keep people out of the basement.
<v Speaker 3>After telling investigators how she simply lit candles in the
<v Speaker 3>home to cover up the stench of her decomposing husband,
<v Speaker 3>investigators went on to ask her a pretty obvious and
<v Speaker 3>simple question, if Adam's death really was an accident, why
<v Speaker 3>didn't she call for help? Her answer, well, it's pretty remarkable.
<v Speaker 13>I guess what I'm having trouble with is if this
<v Speaker 13>was him falling down the stair.
<v Speaker 2>Why do we go through all it? I mean, what
<v Speaker 2>do we go through all this?
<v Speaker 13>I'm just helping figure this out because I thought everyone
<v Speaker 13>was didn't think it was murder that you know that
<v Speaker 13>I often I'm purvish.
<v Speaker 7>No, you think as his body and the dogs came in,
<v Speaker 7>I thought I got pretty lucky. I was going to
<v Speaker 7>turn myself in several times. But the thing that kept
<v Speaker 7>shying me away from turning me and put myself in
<v Speaker 7>with how his family acted.
<v Speaker 13>So what do you mean by that has been?
<v Speaker 7>What they were doing was you know, making a kissing
<v Speaker 7>me off?
<v Speaker 13>How about they were.
<v Speaker 7>You know, saying that I did all this stuff without
<v Speaker 7>physical evidence, and it really kissed me off.
<v Speaker 17>And I just.
<v Speaker 13>Wanted so that drags out, mostly because of their treatment
<v Speaker 13>of you after this happens.
<v Speaker 3>If you didn't catch that. Rose Chase just said that
<v Speaker 3>the reason why she didn't turn herself in was because
<v Speaker 3>the family of the man she killed treated her poorly
<v Speaker 3>in the six months that followed. So she sure does
<v Speaker 3>know how to take accountability, doesn't she?
<v Speaker 7>And he shogged you, Yeah, then I want you to
<v Speaker 7>bring him again to get his attention again and.
<v Speaker 13>Shog he turned around and try to go back down
<v Speaker 13>the stairs again. Yes, and he showed me right about
<v Speaker 13>in this locations.
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, Adam was long gone and unable to provide his
<v Speaker 3>side of the story. Given the fact that Rose destroyed
<v Speaker 3>his body, determining an official cause of death was virtually impossible.
<v Speaker 3>With all that being said, it was at this point
<v Speaker 3>in the interview when Rose Chase really began to tread
<v Speaker 3>a thin line, and that line, of course, was whether
<v Speaker 3>or not she'd eventually be charged with second or first
<v Speaker 3>degree murder.
<v Speaker 15>Well, hang on a personatural reaction to day. I don't
<v Speaker 15>care if it's your mortal enemy. It's going to be
<v Speaker 15>trying to get disguised for some help. The thing that
<v Speaker 15>I keep hearing is that you're gonna turn yourself in,
<v Speaker 15>that if the first deputy that shows up and saw him,
<v Speaker 15>you were going to get arrested.
<v Speaker 13>This was an accident, and none of that happens that way.
<v Speaker 13>It just tells me that if Adam doesn't perish from
<v Speaker 13>his injuries, that.
<v Speaker 15>Maybe he tells them a different story about what happened
<v Speaker 15>on that stairwell.
<v Speaker 13>I was afraid of.
<v Speaker 7>If Adam didn't perish on that stairwell was that the
<v Speaker 7>truth about Tristan's DNA.
<v Speaker 13>Was going to come out, and it came out anyway.
<v Speaker 7>But the first thing that was going through my head was, okay.
<v Speaker 3>Adam die.
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to keep Tristan in a loving family as
<v Speaker 7>long as I could. His parents were great grandparents.
<v Speaker 13>So you're sitting there, you're seeing him on the ground,
<v Speaker 13>You're thinking, screw him. I'm not getting him help. Screwed
<v Speaker 13>me too many times. He's bringing our son into this
<v Speaker 13>whole match. It's going to be a hell a lot
<v Speaker 13>easier if he just dies right there that if we
<v Speaker 13>then if I get him help, he lives, and we
<v Speaker 13>got to go through all the fighting again and custody
<v Speaker 13>and all that.
<v Speaker 7>Right, I think it's pretty much wile to go through
<v Speaker 7>my head.
<v Speaker 13>But do you want him dead? At that point, you
<v Speaker 13>wanted him dead?
<v Speaker 11>Death?
<v Speaker 14>I try to turn my as but dead and subs
<v Speaker 14>conscious way. I didn't want to push him, Okay, So
<v Speaker 14>did you. I'm gonna have to say it, okay.
<v Speaker 3>It had been almost six months to the day since
<v Speaker 3>thirty one year old Adam Chase went missing after allegedly
<v Speaker 3>storming out of his home in Stanley, New York. Following
<v Speaker 3>an argument with his wife Rose. In the public eye,
<v Speaker 3>Adam was considered a missing person from the very beginning,
<v Speaker 3>aside from some internal dialogue theorizing that he may have
<v Speaker 3>committed suicide.
<v Speaker 1>But when former local.
<v Speaker 3>Deputy turned PI Rodney Miller caught wind of the story,
<v Speaker 3>he knew Adam wasn't missing. That's because he knew him personally.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney Miller also knew that Adam was somewhat of a loner,
<v Speaker 3>and chances of him just taking off and starting a
<v Speaker 3>new life were slim to none. Over the next several months,
<v Speaker 3>there were almost no substantial developments in this case until
<v Speaker 3>the evening of December thirteenth, twenty twelve. With the help
<v Speaker 3>of Sandy, the babysitter, Rodney Miller managed to get the
<v Speaker 3>so called grieving wife to confess not only to pushing
<v Speaker 3>her husband down the stairs and killing him, but to
<v Speaker 3>destroying his remains as well. During her interrogation, Rose told
<v Speaker 3>detectives about a conversation Adam had with their son when
<v Speaker 3>he recorded four year old Tristan talking about mommy's new
<v Speaker 3>boyfriend about Mark.
<v Speaker 7>How many times did Mark fift month did Mark ever
<v Speaker 7>come to the hack? And how many times did you
<v Speaker 7>see Lauram, money and Mark together.
<v Speaker 15>Was right for him?
<v Speaker 3>And Rose eventually got to describing what you're surely all
<v Speaker 3>dying to know. What happened to Adam's body. Well after
<v Speaker 3>allowing him to rode away in this sweltering basement, Rose
<v Speaker 3>specified that she didn't need tools to dismember her husband. Instead,
<v Speaker 3>she decided to let the summer heat do the work
<v Speaker 3>for her.
<v Speaker 13>When you were taking him out of the house, did
<v Speaker 13>you cut him up for anything? Did you need any
<v Speaker 13>tools or anything?
<v Speaker 1>Or because if you did, where would those be?
<v Speaker 8>Just?
<v Speaker 6>All right?
<v Speaker 2>How long have you been there?
<v Speaker 6>Been here?
<v Speaker 7>Six?
<v Speaker 14>Okay?
<v Speaker 3>Despite police dogs, share of deputies, and he even Rodney
<v Speaker 3>Miller himself having stepped into the basement, Adam was never found. Thankfully,
<v Speaker 3>Rose couldn't keep her secret to herself forever, and after
<v Speaker 3>Rodney convinced her to give it up from her interrogation chair,
<v Speaker 3>she seemed eager to finally get things off her chest.
<v Speaker 3>About midway through her police interview, Rose explained what happened
<v Speaker 3>after those two months of decomposition and what she did
<v Speaker 3>next with her husband's remains. The callous nature in which
<v Speaker 3>she lays it all out is astounding.
<v Speaker 15>It was your car that you were taken no down
<v Speaker 15>to your mom's house. Then his car used it all,
<v Speaker 15>any of it before us as rugs were what were
<v Speaker 15>you rolling along in the biggest piece that you had
<v Speaker 15>to get on there by yourself?
<v Speaker 13>And is torso?
<v Speaker 1>I mean?
<v Speaker 13>And well all right head arms was? He came off,
<v Speaker 13>no problem? All right, fell off?
<v Speaker 7>I mean the leg fell off right about me? Okay,
<v Speaker 7>the real creepy part, the torso itself.
<v Speaker 13>I want to lift it up on.
<v Speaker 7>I put it on a trash bag, rat it up
<v Speaker 7>to blanket, lifted it up to where the sub pump was.
<v Speaker 7>I went upstairs, opened up the car door the back
<v Speaker 7>cash and I'm listening up the torso part.
<v Speaker 13>It hits my keys in the.
<v Speaker 1>Car alarm and his roses.
<v Speaker 3>Neighbor across the street heard the commotion. She came over
<v Speaker 3>to see if she needed help. While holding the bags
<v Speaker 3>of Adam's remains in her hands.
<v Speaker 13>One of my as came out.
<v Speaker 7>I shut the door, and you know, they were like, hey,
<v Speaker 7>was that your car along?
<v Speaker 15>I'm final you.
<v Speaker 13>I hit the button.
<v Speaker 7>By mistake, I thought when I was carrying him down
<v Speaker 7>the ramp that I was gonna wish she was gonna
<v Speaker 7>flip out of me.
<v Speaker 14>But he didn't.
<v Speaker 3>I made to the car long after Adam had inevitably
<v Speaker 3>separated into human soup, a boo yawn of sorts, hearty meal,
<v Speaker 3>definitely chunky. Rose came up with the idea of scooping
<v Speaker 3>what was left of him into her car before picking
<v Speaker 3>up her four year old son from the babysitter and
<v Speaker 3>transporting three clear trash bags of flesh and bones to
<v Speaker 3>her mother's house in the nearby town of Potter, New York.
<v Speaker 7>Tristan from the babysitters.
<v Speaker 13>So you're driving around, Tristan Adam in the back of
<v Speaker 13>the car.
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, and he's dunk Trican say anything.
<v Speaker 7>He's the windows down, not trying to air.
<v Speaker 13>Out of the car.
<v Speaker 3>After spending the night at her mother's, Rose then dumped
<v Speaker 3>Adam's torso, limbs, and rotted tissue into the woods to
<v Speaker 3>be burned at a later date, all the while her
<v Speaker 3>four year old son Tristan followed close behind.
<v Speaker 7>So I fare, what the hell over and take drifted
<v Speaker 7>a hair from stuff.
<v Speaker 13>Who spent the night in my mom's up. I got
<v Speaker 13>tressed out of his car.
<v Speaker 14>He walks around. I take out him to divorce.
<v Speaker 7>He did follow me briefly and like it's okay, you
<v Speaker 7>can walk the Mommy was I Maan'm sure he was
<v Speaker 7>burning up the bay, so that's way he really didn't
<v Speaker 7>see what he was doing.
<v Speaker 2>They had to make a phone called Yates County to
<v Speaker 2>make sure they had a search form, but my understanding
<v Speaker 2>is that they went to her mother's house that night
<v Speaker 2>to secure the scene.
<v Speaker 3>After Rose Chase was arrested for the murder and mutilation
<v Speaker 3>of her husband's body, she agreed to take investigators to
<v Speaker 3>his final resting place at her mother's home, just twelve
<v Speaker 3>miles south of where the victim was killed. During the search,
<v Speaker 3>investigators were led to three separate locations, all of which
<v Speaker 3>were dump sites containing Adam Chase's remains. The first, and
<v Speaker 3>perhaps the most obvious site was a burn barrel in
<v Speaker 3>Rose's mother's backyard. Upon peering down into this metal garbage can,
<v Speaker 3>sitting directly on the surface atop a mound of soot
<v Speaker 3>and ash, were two distinct foot bones. Rose's mother, Patty,
<v Speaker 3>was home at the time and tried to suggest that
<v Speaker 3>the bones could be that of a deer and not
<v Speaker 3>of her son in law. While Patty was uttering this
<v Speaker 3>insane theory, to police, Rose cut her off mid sentence
<v Speaker 3>and said.
<v Speaker 10>If it was just Deerbones, I would be here confessing.
<v Speaker 3>As forensics teams continued to sift through the burn barrel,
<v Speaker 3>they collected an additional section of human vertebrae, more unidentified
<v Speaker 3>skeletal remains, and partial remnants of soft tissue. When questions
<v Speaker 3>about the burn barrel specifically, Rose informed investigators that she
<v Speaker 3>quote cremated Adam there because that's what he would have
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be cremated, in a burn barrel in her
<v Speaker 3>mother's backyard.
<v Speaker 14>He always wanted to be cremated. There's the one thing
<v Speaker 14>he wanted.
<v Speaker 13>To be cremated.
<v Speaker 7>He didn't want to Stappy's funeral.
<v Speaker 16>He didn't want anybody to play those so he just
<v Speaker 16>wanted it.
<v Speaker 13>To be cremated.
<v Speaker 3>The second burn site Rose showed investigators was just several
<v Speaker 3>yards away. On top of a section of grass were
<v Speaker 3>approximately nine trash bags, most of which contained burned leaves,
<v Speaker 3>but several contained human bones as well. The bones inside
<v Speaker 3>the trash bags were eventually determined to be a human
<v Speaker 3>pelvic bone, a shoulder blade, as well as the partial
<v Speaker 3>skeleton of a cat. Whether or not Rose Chase was
<v Speaker 3>responsible for the death of said cat is unknown. During
<v Speaker 3>her interrogation, she claimed the cat had somehow died inside
<v Speaker 3>her mother's house and that she disposed of it as
<v Speaker 3>a favor. But again, Rose just very rarely tells the truth,
<v Speaker 3>you know, so who knows? Rest in peace, Kitty. Lastly,
<v Speaker 3>authorities examined an area a bit further away from Rose's
<v Speaker 3>mother's home in a nearby field. There, authorities located approximately
<v Speaker 3>six human arm bones that were damaged but had not
<v Speaker 3>been burned. Forensic anthropologist would later determine that not one
<v Speaker 3>of the bones found on the property had been severed
<v Speaker 3>by the means of a cutting instrument such as a
<v Speaker 3>blade or saw. Criminal analysts ultimately theorized that damage to
<v Speaker 3>the armbones specifically had more likely been the result of
<v Speaker 3>local wildlife, as if Adam's remains couldn't be desecrated any further,
<v Speaker 3>his body ultimately became a snack for raccoons and coyotes
<v Speaker 3>in upstate New York, while the rest of him was
<v Speaker 3>burnt in a crude metal trash can in his mother.
<v Speaker 1>In law's backyard. What a way to go.
<v Speaker 3>In February of twenty thirteen, Rose Chase was formally charged
<v Speaker 3>with second degree murder, evidence tampering endangering the welfare of
<v Speaker 3>a child concerning her and Adam's four year old son.
<v Speaker 3>When her murder trial began a few months later in October,
<v Speaker 3>Rodney Miller was there to testify. He took the stand
<v Speaker 3>and told the jury everything he saw and smelt before
<v Speaker 3>getting Rose to confess to murder, and after a two
<v Speaker 3>week trial, Rose Chase was convicted of second degree murder.
<v Speaker 3>She was also found guilty of tampering with evidence and
<v Speaker 3>endangering the welfare.
<v Speaker 1>Of a child.
<v Speaker 3>After she was found guilty, Adam Chase's mother, Sylvia, met
<v Speaker 3>with the media outside of the courtroom, where she spoke
<v Speaker 3>of just how instrumental Rodney Miller was in bringing her
<v Speaker 3>son's killer to justice.
<v Speaker 5>Without Rodney, we wouldn't be here today because he's the
<v Speaker 5>one who found him. He never gave up. Been a
<v Speaker 5>long time coming. Yes, very difficult to get through, but
<v Speaker 5>mister Tantillo and missus Hines did an awesome jab awesome
<v Speaker 5>my son could rest.
<v Speaker 3>The state's district attorney, Michael Tantillo, apparently agreed with the
<v Speaker 3>sentiment that without Rodney Miller, Adam Chase may have never
<v Speaker 3>been found and that Rose may very well have gotten
<v Speaker 3>away with it.
<v Speaker 1>Figuring it out.
<v Speaker 4>Though the jury actually deliberated total of only just about
<v Speaker 4>four hours or a little bit more than four hours,
<v Speaker 4>so that suggests to us that they felt the case
<v Speaker 4>was pretty strong and probably moved toward a verdict to
<v Speaker 4>the verdict that they returned pretty quickly. Obviously, the work
<v Speaker 4>of Rodney Miller was fantastic, and I think Sylvia's right.
<v Speaker 4>This case may not have been solved without his doggedness.
<v Speaker 4>A lot of that is also due to the Chase
<v Speaker 4>family because they are the people that kept the pressure
<v Speaker 4>up on the Rose Chase and I think set up
<v Speaker 4>her state of mind when she actually gave this all
<v Speaker 4>up in December, and I don't think that would have
<v Speaker 4>happened without the Chase family keeping the pressure on the
<v Speaker 4>way that they did.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney was also interviewed by local journalists where he shared
<v Speaker 3>his general thoughts on the finality of this bizarre and
<v Speaker 3>ruthless case before getting a little emotional on camera.
<v Speaker 2>I'm hammersh we worried when some of the testimony was replayed.
<v Speaker 2>It always puts in lump in your throat, But in
<v Speaker 2>my heart I knew God was going to take her
<v Speaker 2>means he helped me find that. I'm happy to she
<v Speaker 2>going with long.
<v Speaker 3>Roughly one year after rose Chase was convicted, the now
<v Speaker 3>thirty six year old woman was sentenced to twenty four
<v Speaker 3>and a half years to life in prison. In January
<v Speaker 3>of twenty fourteen, Following the proceedings, Adam's mother and his
<v Speaker 3>sister Jessica, spoke with the local reporters where they expressed
<v Speaker 3>their relief that it was finally over.
<v Speaker 6>Good in it without the community, sport and the media,
<v Speaker 6>we might and of course where's Rodney, Rodney Miller, Adam
<v Speaker 6>I Iver bendraw Holm. If it wasn't for everybody falling
<v Speaker 6>together into it sends me to be honest with you,
<v Speaker 6>to go through memories of my brother. We know with
<v Speaker 6>a good person you don't have to She didn't have
<v Speaker 6>to sit there and reiterate it to us. The fact
<v Speaker 6>of the matter is is she wants to sit there
<v Speaker 6>and say it was a good person. Well, why'd you
<v Speaker 6>kill him? I mean, it makes no sense to me.
<v Speaker 3>District Attorney Michael Tintillo offered his thoughts as well.
<v Speaker 4>I'm generally pleased with the sentence. Seemed to be perfectly honest.
<v Speaker 4>I would have liked to have seen the maximum sentence
<v Speaker 4>put what the judge Koker gave her was pretty close
<v Speaker 4>to the max, so I have no quarrels with that.
<v Speaker 4>Every case is unique, and this case certainly had a
<v Speaker 4>lot of unique aspects to it, particularly including how long
<v Speaker 4>the body was hidden by the defendant and then what
<v Speaker 4>she did to ultimately destroy the body and try to
<v Speaker 4>cover her tracks on this thing. To me, I think
<v Speaker 4>the crime that homicide, the murder itself is awful and
<v Speaker 4>it's heinous, and it deserves everything.
<v Speaker 2>That the judge gave her.
<v Speaker 4>But to put the family of Adam Chase through what
<v Speaker 4>she did for six solid months after that just makes
<v Speaker 4>it that much worse. So there really is a lot
<v Speaker 4>of degravity in her statements to the court. Did you
<v Speaker 4>understand perhaps where they were coming from all.
<v Speaker 1>Not in the slight?
<v Speaker 4>I thought that was one of the most bizarre things
<v Speaker 4>I've ever heard of defendant say to a judge at sentencing.
<v Speaker 4>It's remarkable for the fact that there was certainly no
<v Speaker 4>apology in there, certainly no itscknowledgement of what she has
<v Speaker 4>done to this family.
<v Speaker 3>What both the da and Adam's family are referring to
<v Speaker 3>here is what Rose said when she was provided the
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to speak in court, which was essentially an awkward
<v Speaker 3>tangent where she reflected on the good times she had
<v Speaker 3>with Adam before she killed him, such as the day
<v Speaker 3>he proposed Here's a verbatim quote from Rose before she
<v Speaker 3>learned her fate from the judge.
<v Speaker 10>I'm not a bad person. I cherish his memory, despite
<v Speaker 10>what people make me out to be.
<v Speaker 3>Clearly, she hasn't lost any sleep after murdering her husband, regardless.
<v Speaker 3>Now that Rose was no longer allowed to do interviews
<v Speaker 3>as a free citizen, her family figured they'd carry the
<v Speaker 3>torch of embarrassment for her. Shortly after Rose was taken
<v Speaker 3>away in shackles, Patricia Mooney or class Act of a Mother,
<v Speaker 3>got busy online commenting on a dead man's Facebook page.
<v Speaker 11>Found the picture if you with other men, people's souls.
<v Speaker 2>Know about your secret life too.
<v Speaker 3>Poor Patty misspelled the word of in her post and
<v Speaker 3>typed the word if happens to the best of us.
<v Speaker 3>Spell check can be a real pitch, but you know
<v Speaker 3>that's funny. To her credit, at least she managed to
<v Speaker 3>use the correct form of the word with two o's.
<v Speaker 3>Whether Patty's claims of her son in law being a
<v Speaker 3>closeted homosexual. Were true or not, it seems irrelevant, seems
<v Speaker 3>almost childish. What I'm mad at you, so I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>call you gay. It's just weird, you know, especially when
<v Speaker 3>you consider that he was left to liquefy in his
<v Speaker 3>own basement during the summer heat for two months. I'm
<v Speaker 3>not sure we're really concerned with his sexual preferences anymore, Patty.
<v Speaker 3>What is relevant, though, and perhaps most noteworthy in this case,
<v Speaker 3>is the fact that Rodney Miller, the former Ontario County deputy,
<v Speaker 3>saw Adam Chase's murder without ever receiving a dime.
<v Speaker 1>For his services.
<v Speaker 3>Not only was it a win for the victim's family
<v Speaker 3>now that Rose Chase was behind bars, but it was
<v Speaker 3>a gratifying win for Rodney as well, proving to his
<v Speaker 3>former colleagues that he is not such a bad cop
<v Speaker 3>after all.
<v Speaker 2>Anybody that has love and love for law enforcement, your
<v Speaker 2>dream is to always solve a major case, and to me,
<v Speaker 2>this was a major case. But I can ask to
<v Speaker 2>tell you, in the end, it's a guntless feeling because
<v Speaker 2>you know you solved it, but it's not a good ending,
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately it sticks with you. I don't hold any animosities.
<v Speaker 2>This was addictive thing to come at the Shares Department
<v Speaker 2>to get even with. All I wanted to do was
<v Speaker 2>their freaking job, and they didn't. We never blamed the
<v Speaker 2>Shares Department for Adam's death. We blame the Shares Department
<v Speaker 2>for that family not being able to bury their son.
<v Speaker 3>The same year that Rose was sentenced, Rodney Miller ran
<v Speaker 3>against Phil Pavero to take his spot as the Ontario
<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff. Unfortunately, Rodney got swept in the polls, but
<v Speaker 3>it was never a political power that he was after.
<v Speaker 3>Rodney ran for sheriff based on principles and to make
<v Speaker 3>a point, no.
<v Speaker 2>Reason I ran against Philip Barbera was. I asked him
<v Speaker 2>one thing, and that was to go and apologize for
<v Speaker 2>the Chase family for not doing his job. And quote unquote,
<v Speaker 2>he says to me, I don't have to do anything
<v Speaker 2>you tell me, and he did, and he never, to
<v Speaker 2>my knowledge, never apologized. I can tell you that the
<v Speaker 2>night that I found Adam, he called me asked me
<v Speaker 2>not to talk to the media. I told him I
<v Speaker 2>don't need to talk to the media. I want to
<v Speaker 2>talk to you. I want to know why he didn't
<v Speaker 2>believe me when I told you what I knew. Any
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote, said Rodney. We actually thought he'd be home
<v Speaker 2>by Christmas. I said, well, you can't come home with
<v Speaker 2>your fucking dead, and I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>You gotta love Rodney. Now he spends his days tending
<v Speaker 3>to his farm and enjoying retirement. I look forward to
<v Speaker 3>that too. Anyway, he is unfortunately battling cancer, the real killer.
<v Speaker 3>One thing we just had to ask him about this
<v Speaker 3>case was how the hell did the canines not hit
<v Speaker 3>on Adam's dead body when they searched the basement. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>they're freaking dogs.
<v Speaker 2>I think two reasons. The dogs weren't worth what they
<v Speaker 2>paid for him, and the trainers weren't worth a shit
<v Speaker 2>to the sheriff. He did not know they were not
<v Speaker 2>certified dogs, but dogs in training. I was told that
<v Speaker 2>they'd walk by his body within two feet, and that
<v Speaker 2>was told to me by Dante the DA.
<v Speaker 3>Apparently, the dogs used to search the basement weren't cadaver dogs. Instead,
<v Speaker 3>they were tracking dogs, which was just one of the
<v Speaker 3>many mistakes investigators made during this case. People, do you
<v Speaker 3>fuck up? We are human, even cops speaking of mistakes,
<v Speaker 3>the courts made some pretty questionable decisions of their own
<v Speaker 3>when Rose Chase's child endangerment conviction was overturned in February
<v Speaker 3>of twenty eighteen.
<v Speaker 18>Rose Chase, the Ontario County woman convicted of killing, dismembering,
<v Speaker 18>and burning her husband's body in twenty twelve, had a
<v Speaker 18>misdemeanor conviction reversed last week. Court documents say Chase was
<v Speaker 18>not guilty of endangering the welfare of a child. That
<v Speaker 18>charge and stem from her then four year old child
<v Speaker 18>riding in the car with her as she transported remains
<v Speaker 18>of her late husband from Ontario County to Yates County.
<v Speaker 18>Her convictions of second degree murder and tampering with evidence
<v Speaker 18>bolt stand, and she's currently serving a sentence of twenty
<v Speaker 18>four years to life.
<v Speaker 3>Despite Rose openly admitting to driving her son with her
<v Speaker 3>husband's dead body in the car, the Supreme Court ultimately
<v Speaker 3>decided to throw out the misdemeanor charge upon appeal. A
<v Speaker 3>few days after the ruling was amended. Adam's father, Linden,
<v Speaker 3>passed away on February nineteenth, twenty eighteen, adding yet another
<v Speaker 3>layer of top soil to the pile of shit that
<v Speaker 3>the Chase family had been forced to trudge through over
<v Speaker 3>the years. We reached out to Adam's immediate family members,
<v Speaker 3>but they declined to be interviewed, something we can certainly appreciate.
<v Speaker 3>With that said, Adam's loved ones have since gone on
<v Speaker 3>record to say that there can convinced Rose's mother played
<v Speaker 3>some sort of role in the murder, or at the
<v Speaker 3>very least, was complicit in destroying his remains. As for Mark,
<v Speaker 3>a new boyfriend, Rose told investigators that he never knew
<v Speaker 3>about the killing, nor did he know that Adam's body
<v Speaker 3>was in the basement. Rose also said that Mark was
<v Speaker 3>actually with her at the time she let Adam's body
<v Speaker 3>ablaze at the bonfire in her mother's backyard, but somehow
<v Speaker 3>he didn't know Adam was in the burn pit. Huh.
<v Speaker 1>She must be really strong, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I would have to say, from what I saw his reaction,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he did. But it's hard to believe
<v Speaker 2>that he couldn't in the time that Adam was in
<v Speaker 2>the basement, that he could smell it. I mean, that's
<v Speaker 2>a question that lingers on and I don't think we're
<v Speaker 2>ever going to get an answer to it. But supposedly
<v Speaker 2>from what I heard secondhand, they did get I Mulai
<v Speaker 2>detector test and he passed that.
<v Speaker 1>Let's agree to disagree on that one. But who knows.
<v Speaker 3>During her interrogation, Rose did say that she smashed Adam's
<v Speaker 3>skull in the fire while it was burning with a
<v Speaker 3>shovel before her boyfriend Mark could catch a glimpse of it.
<v Speaker 3>But forget about Marky Mark for a second. What about
<v Speaker 3>Rose's mother, Patty Mooney and her potential culpability in this crime?
<v Speaker 2>Looney Mooney, That's what we called her, Looney Mooney, not
<v Speaker 2>even her fruitcake. I think I'm am new too.
<v Speaker 3>It's important to note that neither Rose's sweetheart of a mother, Patty,
<v Speaker 3>nor Mark the boyfriend, was ever charged with a crime,
<v Speaker 3>despite all of our suspicions. As for Rose Chase, she'll
<v Speaker 3>be eligible for parole as early as twenty thirty seven.
<v Speaker 3>Whether or not Mark will be waiting for inmate one
<v Speaker 3>for G zero zero five cents of an eye, Well,
<v Speaker 3>I guess we'll just have to wait and see. All right,
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<v Speaker 3>On December twelfth, twenty twenty one, a seventy seven year
<v Speaker 3>old woman was rushed to Hannibal Regional Hospital in Hannibal, Missouri.
<v Speaker 3>Her name was Tina. Tina was a kind, generous and
<v Speaker 3>smart woman. Alongside her husband, she owned and operated a
<v Speaker 3>successful business. But what was most important to Tina was
<v Speaker 3>her family. Tina had four children, fourteen grandchildren, and seventeen
<v Speaker 3>great grandchildren. This is Tina's granddaughter Carly.
<v Speaker 9>December twelfth, twenty twenty one. It was a Sunday evening.
<v Speaker 9>It's all a blur. My aunt Elsa called me and
<v Speaker 9>she was very very short and frantic, and she just said,
<v Speaker 9>get to the hospital.
<v Speaker 3>All of Tina's children and grandchildren loved Tina dearly, and
<v Speaker 3>when they got the news that she was in the hospital,
<v Speaker 3>many of them immediately began making their way to see her.
<v Speaker 3>This included Tina's daughter Elsa.
<v Speaker 19>My mom's husband called me and told me that my
<v Speaker 19>mom was headed to the hospital, and I went ahead
<v Speaker 19>and got in my vehicle and started driving to Hannibal.
<v Speaker 19>I didn't know what was going on. I was standing
<v Speaker 19>at the hospital waiting, and then they took me to
<v Speaker 19>the family waiting room, which and then handed me her
<v Speaker 19>jewelry and said that it will be some time.
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, not all of Tina's loved ones could go to
<v Speaker 3>her because in December of twenty twenty one, the COVID
<v Speaker 3>pandemic had just started to wane.
<v Speaker 9>On the way to the hospital, I talked to my mom.
<v Speaker 9>My mom actually had COVID at that time and was
<v Speaker 9>unable to come, which was awful. They wouldn't let her
<v Speaker 9>in the hospital. My mom basically said all she knew
<v Speaker 9>was that she had collapsed and that she was unresponsive,
<v Speaker 9>and that they had taken her to the hospital. All
<v Speaker 9>we knew at that point was they were still working
<v Speaker 9>on her.
<v Speaker 3>Tina's family waited for the hospital staff to give them
<v Speaker 3>more information about Tina's condition, and when a doctor came
<v Speaker 3>to see them, the news was all bad.
<v Speaker 9>The doctor came in and told us that there's really
<v Speaker 9>not much more that they could do for her, and
<v Speaker 9>that we need to go say goodbye. That was the
<v Speaker 9>first time I had seen her when they told us
<v Speaker 9>that she wasn't going to make it, and it was awful.
<v Speaker 9>She was cocked up to all these machines and she
<v Speaker 9>was breathing, but she was only breathing because of the
<v Speaker 9>machine like stuff in her throat.
<v Speaker 3>Tina's family was devastated and they were caught off guard.
<v Speaker 3>As far as they knew, Tina was a healthy woman.
<v Speaker 3>When she last spoke to her daughter Heidi the day before,
<v Speaker 3>Tina seemed completely fine.
<v Speaker 13>She was doing great though.
<v Speaker 10>When she had been to the doctor and the doctor's
<v Speaker 10>dog gab at Cleendale.
<v Speaker 13>Hall and she was doing great. She had called me
<v Speaker 13>the day before.
<v Speaker 10>I wanted to know what I wanted for Christmas.
<v Speaker 3>Tina's family gathered around the hospital bed to say their goodbyes.
<v Speaker 3>They found themselves in a situation that, unfortunately many have experienced.
<v Speaker 3>Their oldest family member was dying. From the outside looking in,
<v Speaker 3>this likely seemed like a common occurrence. Tragic, yes, but common.
<v Speaker 3>Old people die every day and their loved ones have
<v Speaker 3>to say goodbye. That's just how life goes sometimes, though,
<v Speaker 3>this situation with Tina and her family was anything but common.
<v Speaker 3>The doctor told the family that Tina was dying from
<v Speaker 3>heart failure, but they all knew better. They all knew
<v Speaker 3>that this wasn't the case where an elderly woman's life
<v Speaker 3>was simply coming to an end. They knew that Tina
<v Speaker 3>didn't just end up in a hospital bed, she was
<v Speaker 3>put there.
<v Speaker 9>Just remember sitting in the waiting room just not knowing
<v Speaker 9>what was going on, but also like, there's no way
<v Speaker 9>that she's going to die, Like she just went through
<v Speaker 9>this terrible situation, Like there's no way that that's going
<v Speaker 9>to happen one after the other. And I just felt
<v Speaker 9>so bad for her because she had survived this terrible tragedy,
<v Speaker 9>and she can't even like see it through.
<v Speaker 3>About a month before this tragic day at the hospital,
<v Speaker 3>Tina had been assaulted. And there's no word in the
<v Speaker 3>English language to describe just how how horrific that assault was.
<v Speaker 3>Putting it mildly, what Tina experienced was beyond brutal and
<v Speaker 3>extremely cruel.
<v Speaker 17>What happened to her that night was something that doesn't
<v Speaker 17>happen in Adam's count That's a movie here on her.
<v Speaker 17>That's something you watch on Halloween to scare you. That's
<v Speaker 17>not real life, but it was real life for Tina Lone.
<v Speaker 17>On November nine, twenty twenty one.
<v Speaker 3>Tina and her family were traumatized by what had happened
<v Speaker 3>to her. The depravity of what Tina endured was more
<v Speaker 3>than any of them. Good bear, this is Tina's oldest grandson, Joshua.
<v Speaker 12>She helped me raise me. She was like my second mom.
<v Speaker 12>We had a very close bond. She always tell me
<v Speaker 12>how about she looked. She adored by forged children. She
<v Speaker 12>made me made sure they were spoiled on every birthday
<v Speaker 12>and Christmas. She loved Christmas and she loved giving gifts. However,
<v Speaker 12>as I watched the trial and learned the grewsome details.
<v Speaker 12>I became biscally sick.
<v Speaker 13>How could you done that to my grandma?
<v Speaker 3>The evil that Tina saw and experienced was beyond comprehension,
<v Speaker 3>and her family knew why her heart was failing. Tina
<v Speaker 3>was dying because she was brutally assaulted. Tina was dying
<v Speaker 3>from a broken heart. The assault she endured was killing her,
<v Speaker 3>and Tina's family wanted the people responsible to pay. They
<v Speaker 3>wanted justice. Unfortunately, Tina's family would come to find that
<v Speaker 3>the justice they were seeking was elusive, and the struggle
<v Speaker 3>to get it became a never ending battle.
<v Speaker 9>I don't think anything can prepare you for what we
<v Speaker 9>went through. I think it's just still We're still not
<v Speaker 9>even over. I don't know if we ever will be.
<v Speaker 3>Many of you know, or at least you can imagine
<v Speaker 3>the pain and the grief that comes with losing a
<v Speaker 3>parent or a grandparent. It can be the most tragic
<v Speaker 3>thing that a family can experience. This was the case
<v Speaker 3>for Tina's family, but for them things were much worse.
<v Speaker 3>They were saddled with the burden of fighting for justice,
<v Speaker 3>and the fight became another tragedy all on its own.
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