Episode 78 - The History of Mermaids

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<v Speaker 1>[inaudible]

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome to another episode of lunatics radio hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Abby Brinker.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with Alan COO Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we have the long anticipated episode for you.

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<v Speaker 2>The history of mermaids.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty excited for this one.

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<v Speaker 3>How excited?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, six that's

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Six out of five, six out of five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, mermaids are big Mer people big on my list.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of have avoided this topic for a while because I'm like, well, how does it relate to horror?

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<v Speaker 2>But listen, you guys, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it does it for mermaids wrote the book on horror.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>Scary things.

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<v Speaker 2>We have quite a lot to talk about today.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything from the tons of different iterations of mermaids and merch creatures across so many cultures, but also my favorite part, which is some of the sightings like real life sightings of mermaids.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, we're going to have a lunatics library episode that goes with this with really cool mermaid stories for you.

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, let's dive right in today.

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<v Speaker 2>Sources, mermaids the myths, legends and lore by sky Alexander.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you so much to Al Goodsell for sending me that book because it was super helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>Britannica and Wikipedia mythology and fiction explained video on YouTube mermaids of earth.com and how stuff works.

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<v Speaker 2>Article an article from folklore thursday.com the legends of history on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Another book called the mythical creatures Bible by Brenda Rosen.

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<v Speaker 2>And once again, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to Al Goodsell for your tips and tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 3>Want to quote my own book for this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>Write it, but I read it well, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Up.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 3>This is supposed to be the number one book on murder as mermaids

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<v Speaker 2>It's fiction or non-fiction oh, it's, it's,

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<v Speaker 3>It's a complete work of fiction, but I mean also mermaids, right?

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I feel like you can quote fiction.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>As dogma, because why not?

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>So this book was into the drowning

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<v Speaker 2>Deep by Myra grant and you liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to hear more about that when we get to the infamous pop culture section, but let us start as always with the history tales of mermaids and folklore of aquatic, humanoids spans most countries and cultures, mermaids were worshiped in seaside, temples by ancient societies and have penetrated the hearts of millennials in the form of Disney's the little mermaid myself certainly included.

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<v Speaker 2>He

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<v Speaker 3>Did not know that this movie was so recent.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean recently, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought this was like snow white, which has came out forever

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<v Speaker 2>Ago.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean the music in it alone, certainly screams dreams, mundanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Me?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I, I, I've only seen the movie once and that was, I don't know, like 1996,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the movie like once a day, between the years of like 1994 and 1998.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we'll certainly get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've only

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<v Speaker 3>Seen it once.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was like at a friend's house at, like on, in the background when they're like, you got to check out this great

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<v Speaker 2>Movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to that's what middle school friends are for.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we ended up playing with Legos.

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<v Speaker 2>You have memories of this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Transformative what'd you have for lunch yesterday?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the earliest mermaid stories is that of[inaudible], which we're going to get into a bit, but she was a priestess from a Syria who jumped into the ocean to wash away, shame caused by an unintended pregnancy only to emerge as a powerful mermaid goddess. We also have the goddess of love Aphrodite who was created from seashell foam. And as we know, came to land via a huge shell. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So we're going to get into lots of different mermaids and merch creatures across different mythologies today. But let's start with the basics, symbolism of water and folklore and the occult. For example, water is a huge factor in taro in the form of the suit of cups. And in astrology, water signs are famous for their emotional depth. And I'm not talking about like, I'm talking about the history of symbology here. Not whether or not we personally believe in astrology or terror of those things. Right. But regardless, we can all acknowledge that there's a reason why water has penetrated the occult in certain ways. Sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I mean, water in general is the foundation of society.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Every civilization on earth at one point started close to water or in water, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Our ancient ancestors swim as we were, you know, little Cynthia and tadpole.

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<v Speaker 2>So water fertilizes, our crops and hydrates our bodies, just like you said, giving us what we need to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nurturing and necessary for life because of these factors.

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<v Speaker 2>It's easy to understand why many but not all of our mythical water creatures are feminine.

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<v Speaker 2>This doesn't necessarily mean female in gender, but our feminine energy also

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<v Speaker 3>Most myths of sea creatures originate from sailors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And sailors, you know, it's a, it's a lonely life.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>And so if you're out on the sh the deck of a ship and you just see something, a humanoid glistening through the waves, maybe a seal, you're gonna project like a hot bath, hot babe, as opposed to be like, oh, that's Harry Frank,

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Frank.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's some interesting fun facts on the etymology.

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<v Speaker 2>The word Mer comes from old English word Mayer, which means C in French mermaid C and Mary means mother sky Alexander, who is the author of the book that I read calls out how this very clearly shows us that language has identified the sea as the mother of earth or mankind.

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<v Speaker 2>So to speak sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we're going to explore different forms of Murphy folk from many different regions of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of which are not necessarily our own ancestry, but we wanted to talk about them because they represent like the true origins of this mythical well, creature,

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we don't talk about them, how are we possibly going to appropriate?

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<v Speaker 2>Or how are we possibly going to appreciate them right.

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<v Speaker 2>And learn about them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I said in a respectful way.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also interesting to call out now that some of these are local folklore and legends.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And some are mythology.

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<v Speaker 2>So in many cultures, water, creatures and aquatic humanoids are actually seen as like gods and goddesses, divine beings, not just sea creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's, that's just interesting to call it the distinction between, it's not just like all sailors seeing seals that they think are hot babes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also some societies and cultures worshiped the deities of the sea in the form of mermaids and mermen right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>We've all been seduced by a sexy seal sometime, at least once a year.

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<v Speaker 3>But to envision the sea, which is, you know, from standing on the coast, looks endless, right.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're out in the ocean, it also looks endless.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can't see the bottom, it's unknowable, it's inhospitable.

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<v Speaker 3>Any Centene being that can live and thrive in this environment has to have some kind of a higher power.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, like you said, because water represents everything we need.

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<v Speaker 2>It also makes sense that there would be throughout history, mythological, creatures, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or gods and goddesses that heralded the ocean that defended the ocean that provided the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of sentience, sea creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't comment on my shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just good.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally just notice it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, after this, I'll have to comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan is wearing his dolphin shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just any dolphin.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a Lisa Frank dolphin, baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it looks like to me

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<v Speaker 3>Is the box art for Ecco, the dolphin, the Sika Genesis phenomenal video game.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have to take a photo of it for listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So th this, this shirt was a gift by a big friend of the pod, the metal, the metal

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<v Speaker 2>Beast himself, make sure you follow the middle beast on Twitch to watch him play through all sorts of awesome old school, video games.

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<v Speaker 3>You won't see him playing Ecco the dolphin simply because that was psycho, but you'll see him play all of weird stuff, um, that you will never, ever be exposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>One quick point, before we jump into this, when we say mermaid, we're probably thinking about a female or femme figure, right?

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<v Speaker 2>With the tail of a fish and the upper body of a human I'm not, but different regions across the world have different versions of what a mermaid physically looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want you to erase a race, all of that from your mind and come into the history of this with open mind, open heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>I have stuff prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you can remember the relevant stuff, but everything else I want you to let go of there have been Alan so many mermaid sightings throughout history.

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<v Speaker 2>Name one.

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<v Speaker 2>[inaudible] they many, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a couple you've seen mermaids.

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<v Speaker 2>No,

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<v Speaker 3>But yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen one.

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<v Speaker 2>Where, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you laughing at me?

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a mermaid.

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 2>In a photo?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 2>It with your eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone in a costume.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was a child at the great escape.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And they have a high dive.

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<v Speaker 3>She had typed with a mermaid tail on it's a high dive show, but the tank is glass, obviously multiple tiers of like the dive, you know how you know, all these giant ladder dives go.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, the bottom tier has like three diving boards and they just do synchronized dives and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And like, as people dive from the bottom of the tank, which you can't see, because you just see the side, which is glass and you can, you know, there's like a secret entrance or something to the pool because a mermaid would just like, come up and just like, hold the numbers being like rank the dives and then just swim back down.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the announcer would like banter about, Hey, get the mermaid out of this tank.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she would come up with a sign that says, kiss my bass.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a, I dunno, ten-year-old I thought that was the funniest joke in the history

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<v Speaker 2>Of camp.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a pretty good joke.

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<v Speaker 3>I could not figure it out because she never came up for air.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, she's

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of holding her breath for like an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>As expected, most sightings or claimed sightings are from sailors or people living right in coastal regions.

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<v Speaker 2>These sightings have perpetuated mermaid figures in sailor.

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<v Speaker 2>Lord dating back to the middle ages.

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<v Speaker 2>The most enduring tale is that mermaid sought to seduce sailors and dragged them below the surface to their watery kingdoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Some believed that mermaids even controlled the weather causing storms and even wrecking ships in order to get hold of the sailors on board, see witches, see witches.

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<v Speaker 2>This myth was solidified by the medieval church.

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<v Speaker 2>As mermaids became a symbol of lust, Manatee and immoral women Manatee.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, Manatee,

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<v Speaker 3>Manatee, vanity vanity.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a perfect segue to the one historical mermaid sighting that I wrote down.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause I've got a lot of historical mermaid sightings that I wrote down, or we're going to jump ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>To 1493.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get there, but why don't we talk about it in a minute?

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a few to talk about first.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So colonizers often reported encountering Murphy folk on their travels.

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Columbus, Henry Hudson, John Smith in 1608 in Russian waters.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>1608.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting with the 16 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>We're circling back to the 14th.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, I'm just reading the outline, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You already

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<v Speaker 3>Discussed Christopher Columbus.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I

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<v Speaker 2>Have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In 1608 in Russian waters, Hudson claim to see a mermaid that he described as having fair skin, long black hair, large breasts, and a porpoise tail and being a bully in 16, 14, after he met Pocahontas, John Smith spotted a mermaid in the west Indies, who he claimed had long green hair.

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<v Speaker 2>And he would have fallen in love with her if not for her fish tail, but over a hundred years before that in 1493, Alan has something to tell us about screw you, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you have to say

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<v Speaker 3>Well before I was very rudely derailed, I was going to tell you about Christopher Columbus and his three mermaids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Please tell me, what do you know about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Columbus claimed to see three mermaids, but unsurprisingly said they weren't as pretty as he expected them to be.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you have to say about this whole thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead and jump in.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Jump in captain factoid.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 3>He was surprised because they were much uglier than he had seen in paintings.

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I just said, however, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, the leading theory is that he did not see mermaids at all.

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<v Speaker 3>He saw manatees.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't the brightest, he sees three manatees swimming in the ocean and his first thought is, ah, ugly though.

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<v Speaker 2>This does bring up an interesting point that I talked to about Al Goodsell type of women that Christopher Columbus was into.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but that I do not care about more so that if mermaids actually were to exist, that it would be more likely, especially in like the Arctic and other cold regions off Iceland, things like that, that it would be more likely that they wouldn't be skinny, tiny women, but they would be more blubbery, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like seals and whales and things like that in order to keep warm in those waters.

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<v Speaker 2>So the depiction that we have obviously of like beautiful, petite mermaids, I think depends on the region that that mermaid is in and the waters that they're swimming in.

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<v Speaker 3>You're projecting mammalian physiology on them.

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<v Speaker 2>What, so

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<v Speaker 3>Idea of stay blubber and staying warm is this is exclusive only to warm blooded mammals aren't mermaids.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, unless they're fish, like there's no mammal that actually breathes water, they'll breathe air.

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<v Speaker 3>They just surface in order to do that mermaids, which are always depicted as breathing water, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have, you know, gills or some way to there too.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So amphibious.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So frogs, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, frogs are cold-blooded so there's no need for a frog to have blubber if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, because they don't re don't produce their own body heat.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to retain, they have the same temperature as whatever surrounding to which they

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<v Speaker 2>Are native.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's, that's fish.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why you have like a tropical fish.

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<v Speaker 3>You have Arctic fish, um, or you just have the deep sea fish, which it doesn't matter because all the water is the same, but temperature across, uh, you know, the bottom of the ocean floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Cause it's, you know, it's approaching zero Celsius, but it won't freeze because it's the ocean that the currents keep from freezing.

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<v Speaker 3>So it means it doesn't drop below.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So we need to get to the bottom of whether mermaids are warm blooded or cold blooded to determine if they would be fat or skinny,

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<v Speaker 3>If they are warm-blooded.

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<v Speaker 3>Then instead of having a, um, like a lot of blubber to, or fat to, you know, as reserves, you then switch over to like the physio physiology of like the, the big cats where they put, they basically just put all their stats into sleek muscle in hunting prowess and are just constantly hunting and eating.

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So they just offset having fat deposits by having an insanely constant caloric intake,

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of animal facts that are Tom pack.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you too can learn all these fun, uh, mermaid facts and be privy to these debates by reading into the drowning deep by Myra grant.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll pick it up at our local library or small bookstore.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have any other, uh, sightings that you wanted to get into?

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<v Speaker 2>I only had the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a few more to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>So during world war II, and this one I would say is probably one of the most famous mermaid sightings in world war two, Japanese soldiers were stationed in Quay and Indonesian island and found what they described as a monster washed ashore.

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was mostly human looking except for webbed hands and feet and spines ran down its head and neck.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite detail though, is that their mouth looked like a carp.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a carps mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>A carp is a type of fish.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just like a, totally like a carpet.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that even a tooth fish?

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just like a normal fish mouth,

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>The local villagers were familiar with these creatures all week.

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<v Speaker 3>Do carp have like the super long mustache?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, like, uh, like, uh, like coy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Did it have a Mustang?

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<v Speaker 3>Magic carpet?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Magic carpet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm thinking of,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The local villagers were familiar with these creatures and called them orang econ, which translates to man fish, man fish, man fish.

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<v Speaker 2>So that to me.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's during world war two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's these accounts of Japanese soldiers finding these like humanoids with web Hans and fish mouths and there's local in the villages are like, oh yeah, those are the fishermen.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Duh, they wash the shore all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>We know them.

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<v Speaker 3>The just the physical description really reminds me of creature from the black lagoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked that.

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<v Speaker 2>The physical description is not like, oh, it's a woman with a porpoise tail.

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<v Speaker 2>Cause I'm like, oh, okay, well I wonder what this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like let's send a team out.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it could have just been a person covered in seaweed and you know, they'd been drinking lots of Sockeye.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>In K.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I dunno.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know with our proper investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the big question, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>Did they note whether it was warm blooded or cold blooded?

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<v Speaker 3>No,

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>And

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<v Speaker 3>Where do these historical accounts come?

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<v Speaker 3>This

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<v Speaker 2>One came from howstuffworks.com, but there, but I actually found this one specifically on like three or four different

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<v Speaker 3>Ones.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is probably a secondary source.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm citing is secondary sources, but I do believe that first-hand sources exist.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't come across them or I didn't do the work to find them.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's table this one for now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm back because I would love to do a deep dive.

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<v Speaker 2>We could do a whole episode into Japanese, Japanese, sea monsters.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting a pin in him in 1967, a ferry filled with tourists off the coast of Maine island in British Columbia claim to see a topless woman sitting on a beach, eating a raw salmon.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course she had the body of a porpoise.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this one doesn't come from as much of a wreck, reputable source, but there is, they say that there is a photo that shows us, which I could not find convenient, convenient.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>If

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<v Speaker 3>I had to guess, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They saw her sitting on a rock, probably a little bit of a distance, you know, woman eating raw salmon that could have been, you could have been me a fish tail also could have been you, uh, maybe she had a giant fish laying next to her obstructing her lower half.

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<v Speaker 3>She was just eating a whole bunch of raw fish.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a good theory.

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<v Speaker 3>What year was this?

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<v Speaker 3>1967.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I just found the photo.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to see?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're looking at it now, if you guys want to look it up at home, there's an Atlas ups or no it's times colonist.com and the photo of the active past mermaid taken by a ferry.

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<v Speaker 2>Passenger created a stir in 1967.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I wanted to play a prank on somebody's wine, if you are nearby a tourist area where people are going back and forth on these little pleasure cruises, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>You just sit on the beach, you make a little fake mermaid tail and you bury your legs.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't get close to verify and they all have cameras and it's 1967 before the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, and you are just going to, if you're just going to play a little fun prank on people.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the guy that, uh, oh, he put like these fake seagull feet that were enormous, like on the bottom of his shoes and like walked around this beach for like 50 years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>To the point where everyone thought that this like 500 pound bird existed and people were just trying to hunt it down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, why not?

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<v Speaker 3>This is just people in maritime towns having

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<v Speaker 2>A fun, there's the same kind of origin story with Bigfoot that some of the legends in a certain part of the country started with a guy who made fake prints, found them.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then later admitted it.

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<v Speaker 2>But people still, you know, obviously big foot is much bigger than that, but that's just like a local part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting into the local sea monster

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Georgie.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Which we talk about every chance we get we yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Where it all started as somebody with a submersible, uh, wasn't submersibles, remote controlled, just going around lake George and had this little wooden sea monster head that would pop up and scare people and then go back down.

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<v Speaker 3>And the sightings of the lake, George sea monster were, became notorious.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Until he retired it, you know, came clean.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just playing a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's still sightings of them all, not all the time, but people still claim that there were sightings of him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>They won't let it die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds just like how you keep bringing it up on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Long lift Georgie in 1998.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the new hashtag for the show?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Long lifted churchy in 1998 off the coast of Hawaii, a diver claim to encounter a jumping mermaid.

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<v Speaker 2>And as recently as 2013, discovery helped to promote a fake documentary about the alleged new evidence of the existence of mermaids, which seemed to rile up new interest in the mythology.

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<v Speaker 2>It was called mermaids, the new evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very on the nose.

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<v Speaker 2>It, this resulted in a follow-up documentary mermaids.

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<v Speaker 2>The body found both of these have been aggressively rejected by any and all scientific communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm that's very mean of the scientific community.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I think it's important that they reject things that are not accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So let us transition here, right?

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<v Speaker 2>To talk about the history of mermaid mythology.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to start with the earliest known versions of more people being shunned, Babylonians worshiped a or[inaudible] who is the God of ritual purification.

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<v Speaker 2>He was known as a wise, but very tricky.

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<v Speaker 2>God, very susceptible to mischief like your cat, like my cat.

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<v Speaker 2>He was known again as the God of ritual purification and these cleansings were called AEs water.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Some accounts credit him as the form, giving God the God of artists and craftsmen farming building and of sorcery.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also the national God of Babylonia and exorcisms.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that second bit was like, when you minor in college,

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<v Speaker 2>Major in the national God of Babylonia minor in exorcisms in my research and key comes up quite often.

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<v Speaker 2>Some sources identify him as the earliest version of a murder person and others don't mention murder anything in association with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes he's depicted with horns.

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<v Speaker 2>And other times he has water flowing from his shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thought is that all water comes from him.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he is the ultimate source of water.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting point here.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>This is, I mean, this is pro, this is, this is probably the origin of like the male well of the Merman.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And the, the idea of horns is not that uncommon, you know, especially when you look at modern depictions of Tritons, right?

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<v Speaker 3>So the point that I wanted to bring up is the horns.

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<v Speaker 3>Why on earth would horns be on a fish?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's some, that's a good point that what I was watching about him, there's some versions where he's almost like, uh, a mammal, you know, like a Seder or stag or something that we would have like antlers or horns and there's other water versions of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's also

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<v Speaker 3>The God, the God of mischief and trickery.

00:26:35.019 --> 00:26:39.099
<v Speaker 3>So he's also low-key and say in which right are always the horn Seder.

00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:39.970
<v Speaker 3>Got

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<v Speaker 2>It.

00:26:40.090 --> 00:26:41.049
<v Speaker 2>So it's all the same.

00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:41.259
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:46.180
<v Speaker 2>He used to be worshiped as the being that brings the substance we need right.

00:26:46.181 --> 00:26:47.019
<v Speaker 2>Water to live.

00:26:47.020 --> 00:26:49.569
<v Speaker 2>He was the source of water, some depictions.

00:26:49.570 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>And this is a little graphic show that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers were actually made up of his semen.

00:26:55.630 --> 00:26:55.750
<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, that's okay.

00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:58.089
<v Speaker 3>Like

00:26:58.720 --> 00:26:59.500
<v Speaker 2>The, okay.

00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:00.339
<v Speaker 2>But I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Go to go to a Greek myth and how many things were formed from the spilled seed of the severed genitals of Uranus.

00:27:09.069 --> 00:27:09.220
<v Speaker 3>There

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<v Speaker 2>You go.

00:27:09.609 --> 00:27:10.390
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know.

00:27:10.809 --> 00:27:11.230
<v Speaker 2>So right.

00:27:11.230 --> 00:27:19.990
<v Speaker 2>There's all these different versions of inky, but I stumbled upon a website called mermaids of earth, which broke down some of this for me.

00:27:21.029 --> 00:27:24.420
<v Speaker 2>So[inaudible] was also called[inaudible] by the Greeks.

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<v Speaker 2>And dag-gone by some semetic tribes was a man with the body of both a human and a fish.

00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 2>So he was not quote unquote a mermaid.

00:27:32.069 --> 00:27:33.029
<v Speaker 2>He was sort of a,

00:27:33.410 --> 00:27:35.779
<v Speaker 3>Well, the, the, just a fish person, right.

00:27:35.780 --> 00:27:36.829
<v Speaker 3>Like he could transform.

00:27:36.890 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:27:37.280 --> 00:27:41.150
<v Speaker 3>So also dag-gone is a big character in Lovecraft mythology.

00:27:41.569 --> 00:27:42.230
<v Speaker 3>Oh, interesting.

00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:51.950
<v Speaker 3>So you ha oh, Lovecraft absolutely loved, uh, see people they're like, oh, Tritons are also from Lovecraft.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to remember the name of the story, but there's this whole, there's this whole thing where the, these fish people keep and they're like, it's like reverse mermaids where it's like arms and legs of a human and then body of a fish.

00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:07.730
<v Speaker 3>That's funny.

00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.380
<v Speaker 3>So like picture, yeah.

00:28:09.589 --> 00:28:12.500
<v Speaker 3>It's, it's like a Bob fish.

00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:14.029
<v Speaker 3>No, they got fish heads.

00:28:14.180 --> 00:28:14.539
<v Speaker 3>I see.

00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 3>But they have arms and legs of humans.

00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, sorta, you know, they just got the right appendages.

00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:20.029
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:28.009
<v Speaker 3>And you know, they have their it's, they have their whole underwater city and society because they have their, their underwater sea, God of dag-gone.

00:28:28.099 --> 00:28:28.460
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:28:29.029 --> 00:28:34.970
<v Speaker 3>And they're just basically hunting on land to feed the God.

00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:35.450
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:28:35.569 --> 00:28:52.789
<v Speaker 2>I like that better almost because I mean, listen, I love the visual depiction of a mermaid, but I, I also really appreciate because it is so enduring any other versions of like human, uh, see hybrids, which we're going to get into a few that are outside the normal physicality.

00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:53.809
<v Speaker 2>Well,

00:28:53.990 --> 00:29:00.380
<v Speaker 3>At least mermaids from a anatomical perspective, make a bit more sense.

00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:01.099
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:07.640
<v Speaker 3>You look at, Lovecraft's see people and it's like, okay, let's take a fish and remove all the things that they use to swim.

00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:15.019
<v Speaker 2>So an inky, weren't the only versions of early aquatic gods.

00:29:15.349 --> 00:29:21.650
<v Speaker 2>The indigenous people of Australia believed in yaks life-giving spirits that lived in waterholes.

00:29:21.890 --> 00:29:24.170
<v Speaker 2>They were depicted as women with fish tails.

00:29:24.349 --> 00:29:36.349
<v Speaker 2>There are also water spirits, and other related to mermaid type creatures from ancient times, including water nymphs and sprites, Maura subcategories of creatures versus named deities or gods.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, the Greeks had an entire system for classifying different types of water NIMS, depending on the type of water they lived in the first appearance of a mermaid.

00:29:45.530 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>As we know them today is from the Mesopotamian kingdom of Syria around 1000 BCE,

00:29:52.069 --> 00:29:54.259
<v Speaker 3>1000 B BCE.

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<v Speaker 3>You say, I say, well, my research contradicts that strongly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>I, this is one of my two mermaid facts.

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<v Speaker 2>The first second of two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>The first one being Christopher Columbus, falling in love with manatees, despite how ugly they were.

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<v Speaker 3>According to my own research, the first mermaid depiction comes not from 1000, but 2,500 BC from this wooden carving of the Syrian goddess.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:27.329
<v Speaker 2>So that's who we're talking about.

00:30:27.330 --> 00:30:29.789
<v Speaker 2>So maybe I just have my, uh, dates, kerfuffle.

00:30:30.089 --> 00:30:30.210
<v Speaker 2>I

00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:36.180
<v Speaker 3>Mean, there's a chance that, I mean, that could have been the first, uh, written right.

00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, instance, this is just a stone.

00:30:39.509 --> 00:30:40.710
<v Speaker 3>This is just a wooden carving.

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:41.630
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:50.789
<v Speaker 2>You might be on to something that maybe my account is like the first written account, but then obviously there's evidence of the belief in this spanning for long, long time before that.

00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.490
<v Speaker 3>And honestly it doesn't matter and we really don't

00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Care.

00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:54.450
<v Speaker 2>No, we do.

00:30:54.599 --> 00:31:02.490
<v Speaker 2>I like honestly, having something from 2,500 BCE that we're talking about in 2021, there

00:31:02.490 --> 00:31:05.339
<v Speaker 3>Are still trees that are from before then.

00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:06.059
<v Speaker 3>No way.

00:31:06.150 --> 00:31:06.329
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:31:06.330 --> 00:31:37.009
<v Speaker 3>There's 5,000 over 5,000 year old, uh, whispering white Pines.

00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:37.910
<v Speaker 3>Where do we find them?

00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.940
<v Speaker 3>Uh, well you don't, that's the point?

00:31:41.299 --> 00:31:45.980
<v Speaker 3>Most of the ones that are still in existence, they are there.

00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:48.710
<v Speaker 3>Uh, location is a huge, huge secret.

00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:56.390
<v Speaker 3>Oh my God, this is fascinating because every time there's something super cool and it becomes public knowledge.

00:31:56.569 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Some up just takes a chainsaw to it.

00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:00.380
<v Speaker 3>Well,

00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>They have to be protected in some way then no, they can't be protected by secrecy because then someone could accidentally just like deforest them as we do as an awful race of people.

00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:18.769
<v Speaker 3>Well, again, the, all these things are, I'm making some assumptions here, but I'm assuming all of these are unprotected land.

00:32:18.950 --> 00:32:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:32:19.190 --> 00:32:22.220
<v Speaker 3>So you're not worried about just like accidental deforestation.

00:32:22.490 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, great.

00:32:23.690 --> 00:32:29.299
<v Speaker 3>However, you're absolutely going to have to worry about the equivalent of like tree poaching,

00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:29.750
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:32:30.329 --> 00:32:30.329
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:30.670
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:34.069
<v Speaker 2>So first one of those things on eBay,

00:32:34.220 --> 00:32:37.430
<v Speaker 3>Well, one of the it's it's so upset it, sorry.

00:32:37.431 --> 00:32:38.390
<v Speaker 3>It's so upsetting.

00:32:38.660 --> 00:32:45.769
<v Speaker 3>Like you can, all of these, uh, all the forests with like thousand plus year old trees, like even just like in the Amazon.

00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:32:46.910 --> 00:32:55.700
<v Speaker 3>All of those trees are so, so sought after because ancient wood has like a very unique aesthetic property to it.

00:32:56.029 --> 00:32:59.930
<v Speaker 3>And people love building furniture in very high-end design pieces out of it.

00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 3>But like you're using something that took literally millennia to create because you want a chair.

00:33:07.130 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>No, it's terrible.

00:33:08.750 --> 00:33:10.369
<v Speaker 2>It's to me, that savvy,

00:33:10.430 --> 00:33:14.930
<v Speaker 3>You need to stop buying, buying, whispering pine furniture.

00:33:15.349 --> 00:33:24.589
<v Speaker 2>To me, it's so incredible that there's a living thing on earth that is so old that I totally understand that we need to protect them and the threats to that.

00:33:24.590 --> 00:33:25.789
<v Speaker 2>But I just love that.

00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:26.750
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it.

00:33:26.750 --> 00:33:27.559
<v Speaker 2>That's so cool.

00:33:27.589 --> 00:33:28.970
<v Speaker 2>They must be so huge.

00:33:29.299 --> 00:33:29.809
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:31.549
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't whispering pine.

00:33:31.789 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 3>That is not a thing.

00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:34.819
<v Speaker 3>Uh, it is

00:33:34.849 --> 00:33:37.190
<v Speaker 2>Bristlecone pine bristlecone pine.

00:33:37.970 --> 00:33:37.970
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

00:33:38.210 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 3>And well, over 5,000 years old is the charted charted oldest one.

00:33:42.970 --> 00:33:43.539
<v Speaker 2>Very cool.

00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Does it give you a region or anything like that?

00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:46.380
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:53.009
<v Speaker 3>Uh, according to this one article they're saying they can be found in California, Utah and Nevada.

00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:54.059
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:33:54.060 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Road trip.

00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:55.500
<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:55.859
<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 3>Thought they were in the U S that's interesting.

00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.710
<v Speaker 3>I just know that they usually grow at like crazy high elevations.

00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:02.069
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:34:02.609 --> 00:34:05.069
<v Speaker 3>And it's a very, very slow growth.

00:34:05.309 --> 00:34:05.670
<v Speaker 3>Gotcha.

00:34:05.730 --> 00:34:11.670
<v Speaker 3>Obviously it's like the, I don't know if this is true or not, but there's the saying that everything has the same amount and it's definitely not true.

00:34:11.969 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 3>But, uh, the saying that everything has the same amount of heartbeats.

00:34:14.849 --> 00:34:15.150
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:34:15.449 --> 00:34:19.619
<v Speaker 3>So you can have the turtle, which is beats really slow and lifts for, you know, 200 years.

00:34:19.949 --> 00:34:25.739
<v Speaker 3>Or you have the hummingbird that, you know, beats 10 trillion times a second and last for like 40.

00:34:26.369 --> 00:34:26.699
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:34:26.701 --> 00:34:27.780
<v Speaker 2>That's very poetic.

00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:28.949
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:29.909
<v Speaker 2>That's also probably not true.

00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.349
<v Speaker 2>It's not true, but I love that.

00:34:31.530 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 2>It's, there's some, the, you know, allegory there, the

00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.619
<v Speaker 3>Jellyfish, which probably doesn't even have blood in a heart.

00:34:37.621 --> 00:34:38.369
<v Speaker 3>So that's why it's a mortal.

00:34:38.789 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Right, right.

00:34:39.750 --> 00:34:40.710
<v Speaker 3>That's not why it's a mortal.

00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.179
<v Speaker 3>No, but it is a mortal.

00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 3>Why really?

00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Jellyfish.

00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Jellyfish.

00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:45.449
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:46.139
<v Speaker 2>Is a mortal.

00:34:46.170 --> 00:34:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:47.250
<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:47.909
<v Speaker 2>They don't age.

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:48.210
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

00:34:48.210 --> 00:34:48.690
<v Speaker 3>They do age.

00:34:48.809 --> 00:34:50.849
<v Speaker 3>They go through a, what you're saying is wrong.

00:34:51.550 --> 00:34:52.170
<v Speaker 3>Excuse me.

00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:53.250
<v Speaker 3>They don't die of old age.

00:34:53.340 --> 00:35:10.949
<v Speaker 3>They live to a certain, they go through the cycle of life and when their cells get to a certain stage where normally just death would occur, uh, they said split into the equivalent of newborn cells and it just begins again.

00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:17.579
<v Speaker 3>So basically they just, as soon as they get to a certain age, they just revert and just start aging again.

00:35:18.570 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Have they evolved out of bald?

00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 2>All of us?

00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.210
<v Speaker 2>What, what does that mean?

00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:26.579
<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess at some point, should we do that too?

00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:46.289
<v Speaker 3>Uh, that is actually a huge aspect of scientific research is trying to pinpoint what about the jellyfish and eat same with, uh, lobsters, uh, of what exactly makes it, so they don't age,

00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:49.230
<v Speaker 2>It's illegal now to boil lobsters alive.

00:35:49.530 --> 00:35:51.389
<v Speaker 2>It is, you got a knife on first.

00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:53.099
<v Speaker 3>You, you do.

00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:58.619
<v Speaker 3>And you always should have, which is insanely cruel because there's no change to the meat.

00:35:59.699 --> 00:35:59.699
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:00.059
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:21.780
<v Speaker 3>But the whole thing with lobsters, so they too don't traditionally age, but unlike jellyfish, because they have the exoskeleton, they have to go through a molting, eventually the inside group, if, if left to their own devices, which is why you can have lobsters that live for hundreds of years and they're, you know, absolutely normous.

00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:31.739
<v Speaker 3>Um, eventually the inside grows a little bit too fast to keep up with the outside and it basically suffocates with inside its own.

00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, poor guy.

00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:34.019
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, poor guy, circling back, circling back to, uh, the earliest known appearance of a mermaid.

00:36:41.690 --> 00:36:44.230
<v Speaker 2>So goddess at a gritty also,

00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.869
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that is how you pronounce it.

00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:47.380
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:36:47.889 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 3>The[inaudible] is the name of a fictional ship, which is why I always pronounce it that

00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:53.019
<v Speaker 2>Way.

00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.550
<v Speaker 2>I think you're probably onto something.

00:36:54.610 --> 00:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>It just rolls off the tongue.

00:36:55.900 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:02.050
<v Speaker 2>So Eddie[inaudible] was the chief goddess of Northern Syria in classic antiquity.

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.420
<v Speaker 2>She was also called[inaudible] by the ancient Greeks and DIA Syria by the Romans.

00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:10.630
<v Speaker 2>She was mainly worshiped as the goddess of fertility.

00:37:11.019 --> 00:37:14.619
<v Speaker 2>The story goes that she fell in love with a shepherd who drowned in a lake.

00:37:14.889 --> 00:37:16.659
<v Speaker 2>Her agony was too strong to go on.

00:37:16.661 --> 00:37:21.550
<v Speaker 2>So she tried to drown herself in the lake so that she may be reunited with her true love after death.

00:37:22.090 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 2>However, the gods did not let her die and instead transformed her into a fish woman with a humanistic upper half.

00:37:28.420 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 2>So as not to hide her beauty,

00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 3>The one amendment that I want to make, which is just a bit more poetic in the rendition of the story I read, she threw herself off a cliff into the sea and on her way down, they train, they changed her into the likeness of a mermaid so that she would just slip into the water and live in the sea.

00:37:50.019 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:37:50.561 --> 00:37:57.550
<v Speaker 2>There's also another version which I talked about at the beginning of the episode where it wasn't because the loss of a lover, it was because of an unplanned pregnancy.

00:37:57.820 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 2>So I think there's lots of different versions of it though.

00:38:02.081 --> 00:38:10.750
<v Speaker 2>She is not always described though, as the mermaid goddess, sometimes she is only associated with the water ocean in connection with fertility, right?

00:38:10.751 --> 00:38:27.190
<v Speaker 2>Because like we talked about at the beginning, water is life giving 1001 nights is a collection of middle Eastern folk tales that was compiled in Arabic during the Islamic golden age, it features many stories of Murphy folk and people who can breathe underwater called sea people or seaborne.

00:38:27.579 --> 00:38:33.309
<v Speaker 2>This collection is commonly referred to in English as the Arabian nights, which was what the first English version was titled.

00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.860
<v Speaker 2>Um, and that came out in the early 17 hundreds.

00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:38.619
<v Speaker 2>So I think you're going to, especially like this section.

00:38:39.340 --> 00:38:39.610
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:41.739
<v Speaker 2>Sirens of Greek mythology.

00:38:42.789 --> 00:38:43.150
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

00:38:43.179 --> 00:38:44.530
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we knew that this was coming

00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:49.389
<v Speaker 2>Know, many people believe that sirens are a precursor for mermaids in mythology.

00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:50.289
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

00:38:50.320 --> 00:39:01.750
<v Speaker 2>The saying goes that no man had ever heard the siren song and lived to tell the tale originally sirens were the handmaidens to the goddess per 70, because per Stephanie was kidnapped by Hades.

00:39:01.989 --> 00:39:05.739
<v Speaker 2>Her mother Demeter gave her handmaidens wings so that they could search for her.

00:39:06.489 --> 00:39:13.059
<v Speaker 2>So sirens were actually originally bird women during the Hellenistic period, they changed into women with a fish tail.

00:39:13.449 --> 00:39:19.900
<v Speaker 2>Their song was originally a function of perpetually calling out to per Stephanie in the hopes that she would hear them in return home.

00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:28.329
<v Speaker 3>And in true form, whatever is like just nice and friendly for the gods is like fatal for humans.

00:39:28.570 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:41.389
<v Speaker 2>Irons appear in two epic Greek poems, the Odyssey and the Argo Nautica and the Argo Nautica was actually the name of the boat in the crack and deep rising that we ha yeah.

00:39:41.391 --> 00:39:42.510
<v Speaker 2>That's where it comes from.

00:39:42.570 --> 00:39:46.469
<v Speaker 2>And you can, uh, listen to our horror movie club coverage of that on Patrion.

00:39:47.639 --> 00:40:03.929
<v Speaker 2>So these poems depict sirens as feminine creatures that lure sailors to their deaths very much like mermaids, both poems use different defenses against the sirens from filling their ears with beeswax and the Odyssey to drowning out the song with their own song in the Argonauts RCA.

00:40:04.289 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, not just drowning out with song.

00:40:09.050 --> 00:40:13.579
<v Speaker 3>So in the Argonauts DKA, so you're on the Argo, right?

00:40:13.581 --> 00:40:15.530
<v Speaker 3>Voyage of Jason does find the golden fleece.

00:40:16.579 --> 00:40:20.929
<v Speaker 3>They have Orpheus with them who is just supposed to be the world's greatest musician.

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:33.619
<v Speaker 3>And so he just starts, you know, strumming and his music is just so mind-blowingly awesome that it competes with the mystical lure of the sirens.

00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:35.929
<v Speaker 2>It's like that tenacious D song.

00:40:36.110 --> 00:40:36.590
<v Speaker 2>It is,

00:40:36.590 --> 00:40:38.329
<v Speaker 3>It's just like the tenacious D song.

00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:56.690
<v Speaker 3>But the one thing that I never oh, actually, well, I was about to say the one thing I never understood was so during the Odyssey, when, you know,[inaudible] and friends are sailing past the sirens, oh, D everyone puts a bees wax and cotton in their ears.

00:40:57.710 --> 00:40:59.210
<v Speaker 3>But Odysseus,

00:40:59.789 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>We should say that Odysseus is out looking he's so intrigued by the siren's call that he wants to hear it.

00:41:06.019 --> 00:41:11.630
<v Speaker 3>Well, so I was going to say like, why did he, cause they just tied him

00:41:11.630 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>To a man.

00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:16.010
<v Speaker 2>They times the mass, because he wants to hear it, but they want to make sure he can't be Lord away.

00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:16.460
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:41:16.849 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>And actually, as soon as they set it out, it all clicked.

00:41:19.579 --> 00:41:23.750
<v Speaker 3>He was kind of like the con the, the con the cage Canary.

00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:41:24.619 --> 00:41:31.579
<v Speaker 3>So, you know, they needed somebody to be able to hear because they needed to know when the song was done.

00:41:31.789 --> 00:41:32.090
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:33.739
<v Speaker 3>Because if someone was like, Hey, is it done?

00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:35.510
<v Speaker 3>It takes out their will, you know, earplug.

00:41:35.849 --> 00:41:35.849
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:41:35.851 --> 00:41:38.090
<v Speaker 3>And if it wasn't there, they're going over the ship

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:40.099
<v Speaker 2>Over man overboard,

00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Man.

00:41:40.489 --> 00:41:40.730
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.650
<v Speaker 3>And then never to be seen again, cause they're going to eat them.

00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:41:43.429 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Also in Greek mythology, we have the near EDS or the ads.

00:41:48.139 --> 00:42:01.730
<v Speaker 2>So there's a Greek creation myth that says the union of Oceana's, which was a river that in case the entire world and teth IHSS, which was the ocean produced 3000 daughters and tasked them with guarding the deep.

00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:02.630
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:08.690
<v Speaker 3>Which is interesting because in their mind, 3000 was the exact number of bodies of water on the planet.

00:42:09.019 --> 00:42:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:42:10.579 --> 00:42:14.510
<v Speaker 2>And near ads were similar creatures that were believed to protect fresh bodies of water.

00:42:14.750 --> 00:42:27.349
<v Speaker 2>So in a lot of actually the research that I did on mermaids, they're classified as like a Harold, her all Dick animal, which means or creature, which means that they're tasked with protecting the oceans in some ways

00:42:27.769 --> 00:42:30.860
<v Speaker 3>It's just guardian forest spirits, but bodies of water.

00:42:31.070 --> 00:42:31.369
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:42:31.670 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 3>Every, every body of water had one, which was kind of cool.

00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:44.260
<v Speaker 3>So one of the most scenarios was actually Thetis, uh, only because, so she, you know, she is just a, a river daddy.

00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:44.710
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:42:45.489 --> 00:42:47.469
<v Speaker 3>Should be of no larger claim.

00:42:48.550 --> 00:42:54.190
<v Speaker 3>Uh, however, she had a very famous son, uh, named Achilles

00:42:55.179 --> 00:42:56.369
<v Speaker 2>And that's right.

00:42:56.371 --> 00:42:58.710
<v Speaker 2>When in a song of Achilles, we, we fear her.

00:42:59.429 --> 00:42:59.670
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I

00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:01.650
<v Speaker 3>Mean she, oh, in the books I'm Achilles.

00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:01.829
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:43:01.969 --> 00:43:02.429
<v Speaker 3>That we read.

00:43:02.489 --> 00:43:02.789
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.070
<v Speaker 3>She's oh, she's all over it.

00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:04.170
<v Speaker 3>She's

00:43:04.230 --> 00:43:05.670
<v Speaker 2>The main character I forgot about that.

00:43:06.750 --> 00:43:08.070
<v Speaker 2>Um, she's so scary.

00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:09.780
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting.

00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 3>So she was supposed to be the most beautiful creature in creation, which obviously would make her quite the target for the lusty gods.

00:43:21.539 --> 00:43:21.809
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:33.179
<v Speaker 3>But she wasn't because there was a prophecy and the prophecy said that, uh, her child would be greater than the father.

00:43:34.349 --> 00:43:36.750
<v Speaker 3>So obviously all the gods are like, well, that.

00:43:37.469 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 3>You know?

00:43:38.369 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, and, and, and that's kind of fair.

00:43:41.250 --> 00:43:47.940
<v Speaker 3>Every other instance of a child's you're passing the father in Greek mythology leads to like a downfall of regime.

00:43:48.090 --> 00:43:48.389
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:55.260
<v Speaker 3>Like, uh, Kronos taking out or nose zoos taking out Kronos, you know?

00:43:56.219 --> 00:44:02.010
<v Speaker 3>Um, so they all just said hands off, but then a moral comes by and he's like, wow, she's pretty.

00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.260
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, Hmm, there's a prophecy.

00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.389
<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, that I'm going to have a dope son.

00:44:06.929 --> 00:44:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:10.079
<v Speaker 3>So they have a son and it's Achilles.

00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:10.469
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:25.650
<v Speaker 3>And the interesting tie to this episode is that Achilles becomes the leader of a specific band of fighters known as the Myrmidons, which has no affiliation with mermaids.

00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 3>But it

00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.329
<v Speaker 2>Sounds similar.

00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.630
<v Speaker 2>You've been wanting to work it into this episode for some time.

00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And now you have hats off to you.

00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.409
<v Speaker 3>Well Myrmidons is actually, well, it's spelled with a Y instead of an ER.

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:37.739
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.809
<v Speaker 3>But it is N is also synonymous with like robot warrior.

00:44:43.289 --> 00:44:43.289
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:44.250
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>It is.

00:44:45.090 --> 00:44:45.090
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:44:45.630 --> 00:44:46.710
<v Speaker 2>Irrelevant but interesting.

00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:55.769
<v Speaker 2>So now we're going to talk about Triton Triton, who you may recognize both from Greek mythology and as Ariel's father.

00:44:55.949 --> 00:44:59.940
<v Speaker 2>And Disney's the little mermaid is arguably one of the most famous Merman.

00:44:59.969 --> 00:45:17.489
<v Speaker 2>There is, it's interesting that neither of his parents Poseidon and AMPA tradie are described as more people though, they are described as being able to live on both land and sea, but somehow they got together and were able to produce a half-ish offspring, Trey, and appears to the Argonauts to help them on their journey.

00:45:17.789 --> 00:45:21.059
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the word Triton is used interchangeably with Merman.

00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 3>So Triton was a son of Poseidon in infantry,

00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:25.590
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:45:26.130 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 2>And neither of them were murder people.

00:45:28.561 --> 00:45:30.570
<v Speaker 2>They were, they could live on land and sea.

00:45:30.570 --> 00:45:32.789
<v Speaker 2>They could breathe under water, but they were humanoid.

00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.949
<v Speaker 2>And somehow they made a fish human.

00:45:35.690 --> 00:45:37.010
<v Speaker 2>Yes, humanoid,

00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:41.210
<v Speaker 3>But all of them were, you know, all the gods were shape-shifters.

00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.539
<v Speaker 3>They could all turn into all sorts of animals and do all sorts of things.

00:45:44.869 --> 00:45:45.170
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, the, the amount of times that zoos turns into an Eagle and does nefarious things, it's, it's no different than when, beside it turns into dolphins.

00:45:55.269 --> 00:46:15.489
<v Speaker 2>As we often discuss when tracing myths and legends back to their earliest roots, many of them stem from the middle east India and Africa, it is impossible to holistically understand mermaid culture without looking at the early origins of humanity and thought, according to Alexander sky from the book, mermaids have existed with an African mythology for millennia.

00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:21.219
<v Speaker 2>Mami Wata is one of the most influential of those mommy, meaning truth and wisdom.

00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:28.659
<v Speaker 2>What I'm meaning water or ocean, or in some languages, women, mommy, water is actually a Pantheon of African water deities.

00:46:28.989 --> 00:46:29.409
<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait.

00:46:29.411 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 3>So this one, DD is her own Panther.

00:46:32.530 --> 00:46:37.179
<v Speaker 2>So early versions show human heads and torsos with fish or snake tails.

00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:38.949
<v Speaker 2>They're mostly feminine.

00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:40.570
<v Speaker 2>They can also be masculine.

00:46:41.110 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 2>And as time passed, they evolve to represent a single deity.

00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:49.570
<v Speaker 2>Usually a woman with a large snake wrapped around her, but they started as a whole Pantheon.

00:46:49.780 --> 00:46:55.539
<v Speaker 2>And if you want to make an offering to her, as I believe you, should, she particularly likes mirrors, jewelry and Combs.

00:46:56.289 --> 00:46:56.289
<v Speaker 3>Hm.

00:46:56.889 --> 00:47:00.039
<v Speaker 3>She sounds a lot like Ron from Norse mythology.

00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 3>So Ron was a D D of the ocean who, uh, in, in north mythology.

00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:47:08.139 --> 00:47:11.139
<v Speaker 3>And she loved collecting things.

00:47:11.170 --> 00:47:25.239
<v Speaker 3>She had, like, she was famous for having her giant net, uh, and w would basically make these giant whirlpools, uh, that would just suck everything down, you know, to, to the dismay of sailors and whatnot, but Whirlpool's obviously collected debris and stuff.

00:47:25.570 --> 00:47:32.289
<v Speaker 3>And so when there was just like hoards of stuff under the ocean, or like washed up on shore, it's like one of her nets broke.

00:47:32.829 --> 00:47:33.489
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:47:34.150 --> 00:47:36.940
<v Speaker 2>So she to blame for all the pollution in the oceans,

00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:38.889
<v Speaker 3>Uh Hmm.

00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Collecting it at least.

00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.860
<v Speaker 3>Well, she also got mad when like bad got thrown into her ocean.

00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:45.250
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:52.059
<v Speaker 3>You know, actually also we're kind of projecting modern philosophies on ancient cultures.

00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't think they really worried too much about ocean pollution back then.

00:47:56.139 --> 00:47:57.579
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because they weren't awful.

00:47:57.969 --> 00:47:58.269
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:47:58.269 --> 00:47:59.739
<v Speaker 3>And you know, they didn't really have,

00:48:00.699 --> 00:48:02.170
<v Speaker 2>You know, means land production, right.

00:48:02.170 --> 00:48:02.769
<v Speaker 2>The way that we do,

00:48:03.489 --> 00:48:06.219
<v Speaker 3>You throw your old wooden canoe in the ocean.

00:48:07.210 --> 00:48:11.889
<v Speaker 2>We also have, Jamaya sometimes also known as Imara or yea ammo.

00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:15.190
<v Speaker 2>Asia translates to mother whose children are fish.

00:48:15.730 --> 00:48:18.550
<v Speaker 2>She is the focus of several African religions.

00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:32.170
<v Speaker 2>And as you might have guessed a goddess of the ocean, she originated in the AGU and river, which is the biggest and most important river in Nigeria when Africans were enslaved and forced to travel to the United States, many believed that she went with them and watched over them.

00:48:32.739 --> 00:48:34.530
<v Speaker 2>She often depicted as a mermaid.

00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:47.909
<v Speaker 2>And over time she evolved to rule over the ocean, not only the river, interestingly, she represents the upper parts of the ocean most close to the surface, which are believed to house the most sea life and the nourishment that people needed to draw from.

00:48:47.911 --> 00:48:48.269
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:48:48.389 --> 00:48:56.150
<v Speaker 2>So she, she wasn't thought of as like the protector of the whole ocean, but, uh, but of the shorelines and the things that really nourished yeah.

00:48:56.150 --> 00:48:56.659
<v Speaker 2>That people care

00:48:56.659 --> 00:48:56.989
<v Speaker 3>About.

00:48:57.139 --> 00:48:57.469
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:48:57.619 --> 00:49:02.119
<v Speaker 3>Who cares about, you know, middle of the Atlantic right now, not these people,

00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:11.809
<v Speaker 2>You may see a theme here, but she also represents sexuality and fertility, you know, Maya has a daughter, ocean, ocean rules over fresh water.

00:49:12.050 --> 00:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Like her mother, she's also depicted as a mermaid, sometimes holding a gold fan ocean

00:49:16.889 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Spelled O S H U N.

00:49:19.309 --> 00:49:19.909
<v Speaker 2>Correct.

00:49:20.510 --> 00:49:25.219
<v Speaker 2>She is a bit vain, but interesting that she is also fairly positive water goddess.

00:49:25.429 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Most of the other African water goddesses are seen as temperamental, just like the ocean itself.

00:49:30.260 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 3>So there was a benevolent water.

00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 3>God.

00:49:32.989 --> 00:49:33.500
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

00:49:33.710 --> 00:49:34.820
<v Speaker 3>Goddess, excuse me.

00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:35.179
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:49:35.510 --> 00:49:36.889
<v Speaker 2>Which is pretty

00:49:37.250 --> 00:49:37.940
<v Speaker 3>Uncommon.

00:49:38.150 --> 00:49:42.469
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think, like I'm thinking of other mythologies and just everybody is temperamental.

00:49:42.500 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:49:43.250 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Because it makes sense because when you rely so much on the water and the water is unreliable, when there's storms and all of these things, you understand the parallels there, right.

00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:53.989
<v Speaker 2>The personification of the ocean.

00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:54.469
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.289
<v Speaker 3>How would, how would you have something that's benevolent?

00:49:57.291 --> 00:49:58.789
<v Speaker 3>That's also constantly changing.

00:49:58.880 --> 00:49:59.150
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:49:59.539 --> 00:49:59.780
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>So transitioning over to early Asian water gods and water creatures.

00:50:04.550 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 2>It's like, we're sailing around the world.

00:50:06.619 --> 00:50:07.219
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Broadly water.

00:50:08.659 --> 00:50:11.300
<v Speaker 2>What's the name of the boat from 2000 leagues under the sea.

00:50:11.570 --> 00:50:12.469
<v Speaker 2>It's not the Nautilus.

00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:14.690
<v Speaker 2>It's like, we're on the Nautilus exploring.

00:50:14.929 --> 00:50:16.190
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was a summary that wasn't a boat.

00:50:16.309 --> 00:50:17.690
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I'm saying we're on the boat.

00:50:17.690 --> 00:50:19.550
<v Speaker 2>We're on the summary or diving down.

00:50:20.269 --> 00:50:20.570
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:50:21.050 --> 00:50:25.429
<v Speaker 2>So broadly water creatures and deities from Asia are thought to bring good luck and fortune.

00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:27.829
<v Speaker 3>The creature is called the broadly.

00:50:28.190 --> 00:50:29.690
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm just saying in general.

00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:30.469
<v Speaker 3>Oh, gotcha.

00:50:30.500 --> 00:50:30.739
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

00:50:30.740 --> 00:50:31.400
<v Speaker 3>I misunderstood.

00:50:32.030 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 2>There's also much connection between the water DDS in Asia and the dragon.

00:50:36.110 --> 00:50:38.539
<v Speaker 2>Many have alliances with the almighty dragon.

00:50:38.630 --> 00:50:39.050
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah.

00:50:39.289 --> 00:50:40.789
<v Speaker 2>So let's start with Benton.

00:50:40.791 --> 00:50:47.989
<v Speaker 2>The beautiful, oh, Benton originated in India, SRO Wadi, a Hindu water goddess of arts and knowledge.

00:50:48.349 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>The belief in her travel to Japan where she was renamed.

00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:55.309
<v Speaker 2>And re-skinned when Buddhism also traveled to Japan in the sixth century.

00:50:55.489 --> 00:50:56.150
<v Speaker 2>What was her new name?

00:50:56.539 --> 00:50:58.730
<v Speaker 2>So bent in the beautiful was her new name.

00:50:58.731 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 2>The original name was Sarah Wall.

00:51:00.289 --> 00:51:01.010
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 3>So Benton is a Japanese

00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:04.210
<v Speaker 2>Name, correct?

00:51:04.429 --> 00:51:04.429
<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

00:51:04.610 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Didn't see that coming bento box.

00:51:06.769 --> 00:51:07.429
<v Speaker 2>Got it.

00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:09.019
<v Speaker 2>I dunno.

00:51:09.050 --> 00:51:10.489
<v Speaker 2>Box a box of the sea.

00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:11.389
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

00:51:11.690 --> 00:51:11.989
<v Speaker 2>That's cannon.

00:51:12.019 --> 00:51:14.059
<v Speaker 2>There's always seaweed in there and fish.

00:51:14.269 --> 00:51:14.780
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

00:51:15.380 --> 00:51:18.349
<v Speaker 2>She had the very cool job of overseeing the geishas.

00:51:18.619 --> 00:51:19.730
<v Speaker 2>She eventually evolved again.

00:51:19.731 --> 00:51:28.159
<v Speaker 2>And by the 16th century, she had become the goddess of prosperity for the upper-class Benton loves to dramatically ride dragons and sea serpents onto the scene.

00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:28.880
<v Speaker 2>See, that

00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.539
<v Speaker 3>Makes sense that you have a benevolent, see God.

00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:32.139
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:51:32.650 --> 00:51:40.900
<v Speaker 3>That loves dragons because in Asia dragons are always benevolent and about always, but traditionally they're all super lucky.

00:51:41.050 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:51:41.889 --> 00:51:43.090
<v Speaker 3>Grand wishes, right?

00:51:43.179 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 3>Hashtag dragon

00:51:44.050 --> 00:51:44.050
<v Speaker 2>Ball.

00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:48.210
<v Speaker 2>She also loves to play the lute and she has a shape-shifter.

00:51:48.989 --> 00:51:50.610
<v Speaker 2>She also has more hands than usual.

00:51:50.610 --> 00:51:51.900
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes up to eight.

00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of hands.

00:51:52.889 --> 00:51:57.389
<v Speaker 2>And it's also believed that she originally came to earth in order to stop evil dragons from eating kits.

00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:03.210
<v Speaker 2>Many scholars, point out the similarities between Benton, Venus and Aphrodite.

00:52:03.449 --> 00:52:03.929
<v Speaker 2>What?

00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:04.650
<v Speaker 2>No.

00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:08.940
<v Speaker 2>In what way is this cool dragon

00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:10.199
<v Speaker 3>Riding benevolent.

00:52:10.210 --> 00:52:15.900
<v Speaker 3>See God with eight hands and plays the lute similar to Aphrodite

00:52:16.739 --> 00:52:18.150
<v Speaker 2>After born of seafoam.

00:52:18.329 --> 00:52:18.869
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:52:18.929 --> 00:52:20.670
<v Speaker 2>Loves to ride around on a clamshell.

00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.389
<v Speaker 2>Uh, she, she did it once in that painting.

00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:27.090
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's how she came to shore from the ocean.

00:52:27.269 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:27.900
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:52:28.110 --> 00:52:28.409
<v Speaker 3>She did.

00:52:28.420 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 3>She did come from seafoam.

00:52:29.789 --> 00:52:30.510
<v Speaker 3>I'll give you that.

00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:31.739
<v Speaker 3>She's just, I don't know.

00:52:31.740 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm I'm on team

00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:33.210
<v Speaker 2>Baton here.

00:52:33.300 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah.

00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:34.860
<v Speaker 2>I am too.

00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:36.929
<v Speaker 2>In Japanese folklore.

00:52:36.931 --> 00:52:40.349
<v Speaker 2>There's a creature called Nino, meaning human fish.

00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.389
<v Speaker 2>These are not the sexy half human half fish that we have another mythologies,

00:52:46.050 --> 00:52:50.489
<v Speaker 3>Sexy, uh dag-gone SpongeBob fish people.

00:52:50.550 --> 00:52:50.820
<v Speaker 3>That's

00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:51.150
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.809
<v Speaker 2>And he knew I have a very specific and unique physical look.

00:52:55.260 --> 00:53:00.750
<v Speaker 2>So a picture of this huge fish, 35 foot long with only a humanist head.

00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:02.909
<v Speaker 2>So we have 90% fish human head.

00:53:03.630 --> 00:53:04.170
<v Speaker 2>That's silly.

00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 2>So they also have a red stomach eyes around their torso and golden eyes.

00:53:09.059 --> 00:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Unlike other versions of a mermaid, the Nino cannot speak.

00:53:13.530 --> 00:53:15.539
<v Speaker 2>So it's just a weird looking fish.

00:53:15.929 --> 00:53:20.309
<v Speaker 2>It's a fish with a, is a huge fish with a human head with eyes all over the body.

00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 2>It's terrifying.

00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.059
<v Speaker 2>There's a folk story that goes like this.

00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 2>An old Japanese fishermen caught something curious at sea.

00:53:27.630 --> 00:53:34.230
<v Speaker 2>It looked to be a fish with the head of a person that didn't stop him from capturing it, cooking it and trying to serve it to his guests.

00:53:34.650 --> 00:53:38.489
<v Speaker 2>Who of course were not into it and refuse to eat it because they felt like something was off.

00:53:38.789 --> 00:53:40.349
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's got a human head.

00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:44.190
<v Speaker 2>It's up except for one man who had drunk too much soccer.

00:53:44.369 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 2>He took it home, fed it to his daughter who immediately stopped aging and lived over 800 years looking fresh as a Daisy.

00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:51.780
<v Speaker 2>Holy cow.

00:53:53.429 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I

00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.510
<v Speaker 3>Did not expect the moral of the story to be like, no, eat the up fish.

00:53:58.079 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Now

00:53:58.349 --> 00:53:59.460
<v Speaker 2>Eat the up fish.

00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:00.420
<v Speaker 2>You

00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:06.449
<v Speaker 3>Think like, ah, mythical beasts by not eating, you were going to grant you wishes or some.

00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:07.349
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:54:07.889 --> 00:54:10.139
<v Speaker 3>It's like, no, it's you should always eat the mythical beast.

00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:13.559
<v Speaker 3>So back into the sub.

00:54:14.070 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:14.820
<v Speaker 3>Where are we going?

00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Slavic

00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 2>In Russian folklore.

00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Huh?

00:54:18.989 --> 00:54:19.650
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I guess.

00:54:19.650 --> 00:54:21.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a lot of coastline there.

00:54:21.121 --> 00:54:24.630
<v Speaker 3>Just, you, you, you picture a lot of these things as landlocked countries.

00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:25.500
<v Speaker 3>Oh,

00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:26.309
<v Speaker 2>There see everywhere.

00:54:26.311 --> 00:54:26.849
<v Speaker 2>My friend.

00:54:27.659 --> 00:54:33.289
<v Speaker 2>So in Slavic, folklore, as well as Russian and Ukrainian legend, we are introduced to the[inaudible]. Rasaka our terrifying female fish spirits who are known to lure young men to them and kill them using their voices. So similar to a siren,

00:54:42.050 --> 00:54:42.710
<v Speaker 3>Oh, here we go.

00:54:42.710 --> 00:54:43.010
<v Speaker 3>Again.

00:54:43.010 --> 00:54:44.059
<v Speaker 3>Appropriation.

00:54:44.329 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 2>The legend is that these spirits are from women who died because of an unhappy marriage, meaning either their husband or lover killed them or they successfully completed suicide in order to escape the abuse of their partner.

00:54:57.829 --> 00:54:58.940
<v Speaker 2>So very dark.

00:54:59.179 --> 00:55:03.619
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the drowning was related to hiding unwanted pregnancies by the father.

00:55:03.621 --> 00:55:03.889
<v Speaker 2>Right?

00:55:03.891 --> 00:55:08.269
<v Speaker 2>So like they drowned the woman in order to get rid of the child.

00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:09.699
<v Speaker 2>It was a bit extreme.

00:55:10.590 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:55:11.829 --> 00:55:14.469
<v Speaker 2>But it happened similar to[inaudible]. They are also associated with fertility. Some iterations reveal the Rasaka emerging from the water once a year and walking over the crop fields in order to fertilize the seats. After the 19th century, they transformed into more evil, dark spirits.

00:55:29.980 --> 00:55:33.940
<v Speaker 3>You know, I just learned what I mean, this is not an uncommon word.

00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.590
<v Speaker 3>I just not heard it before.

00:55:36.070 --> 00:55:37.960
<v Speaker 3>So you're familiar with benefactor.

00:55:38.050 --> 00:55:38.409
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:40.750
<v Speaker 3>Do you know the antithesis of benefactor?

00:55:40.929 --> 00:55:45.969
<v Speaker 3>A malefactor I just, I just love like, just, you don't hear about too many malefactors these days.

00:55:46.030 --> 00:55:46.989
<v Speaker 3>All of there's plenty in the world.

00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Plenty.

00:55:48.849 --> 00:55:57.429
<v Speaker 2>So they use their beauty and vocals to ensnare men and their hair to strangle them though, in Poland, the Rasaka were known to tickle men to death.

00:55:58.150 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>They also can physically morph to become more alluring based on the preference of their victims from far away.

00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:11.139
<v Speaker 2>But when the unsuspecting come too close, they see the horror of the rust telcos, true image, moldy and green EU EU.

00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:12.550
<v Speaker 2>It's like in the shining.

00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:19.989
<v Speaker 2>It is, you know, that scene where Jack Nicholson's looking at the woman in the bathtub and she's like all hot and naked and beautiful.

00:56:19.990 --> 00:56:23.800
<v Speaker 2>And then suddenly she's like a decomposing corpse demon.

00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:24.369
<v Speaker 2>Oh,

00:56:24.369 --> 00:56:24.909
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

00:56:25.389 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't remember there being mermaids.

00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:27.099
<v Speaker 3>That's

00:56:27.099 --> 00:56:28.780
<v Speaker 2>Literally exactly how this would play out.

00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.699
<v Speaker 2>That's how that's what a Rasaka would duty.

00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.590
<v Speaker 2>But like in the fields, got it.

00:56:33.369 --> 00:56:38.320
<v Speaker 2>If their death is avenge, they will escape this horror show after life and kind of be free right.

00:56:38.469 --> 00:56:41.949
<v Speaker 2>Of this, uh, burden of being an evil spirit.

00:56:41.980 --> 00:56:42.309
<v Speaker 2>Got it.

00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:43.630
<v Speaker 2>Similar to Medusa.

00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:51.369
<v Speaker 2>They symbolize extreme beauty, but also receive respect and fear for, they are very powerful and dangerous and she loves to dance.

00:56:51.909 --> 00:56:52.780
<v Speaker 2>She loves to dance.

00:56:52.809 --> 00:56:54.010
<v Speaker 2>She loves to dance.

00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:54.550
<v Speaker 2>How do you know that?

00:56:54.849 --> 00:56:56.349
<v Speaker 2>That's what all of the books said.

00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:03.489
<v Speaker 2>She says a little footnote every time for Soka loves to dance, but that's sad because they don't get dancing part.

00:57:04.090 --> 00:57:05.860
<v Speaker 2>Well, they can, but then they just kill them.

00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:06.309
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:57:06.311 --> 00:57:06.820
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

00:57:06.940 --> 00:57:07.179
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:57:07.780 --> 00:57:08.079
<v Speaker 2>All right.

00:57:08.081 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>So our back in our underwater submarine,

00:57:12.190 --> 00:57:12.369
<v Speaker 3>But what

00:57:13.659 --> 00:57:16.659
<v Speaker 2>We're speeding towards the United Kingdom, right?

00:57:16.659 --> 00:57:17.590
<v Speaker 3>That's I forgot.

00:57:17.590 --> 00:57:19.239
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing that we're doing to travel.

00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:24.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like in movies where you travel around the map to show the air panes puppets movie, right.

00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:28.170
<v Speaker 2>And in like Indiana Jones, that's the fastest way to it's the fastest way.

00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 2>So here we are.

00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.909
<v Speaker 2>We arrive in Western Europe.

00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:37.730
<v Speaker 2>It was considered a bad omen to come across a mermaid at sea, a curse of the voyage.

00:57:37.731 --> 00:57:38.480
<v Speaker 2>So to speak.

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:39.289
<v Speaker 2>Why?

00:57:40.309 --> 00:57:41.989
<v Speaker 2>Because women are wicked.

00:57:42.230 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh right.

00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:43.909
<v Speaker 3>No women on the vessel.

00:57:44.179 --> 00:57:44.570
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

00:57:44.750 --> 00:57:45.769
<v Speaker 3>Cause that's bad luck,

00:57:45.829 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Bad luck.

00:57:46.969 --> 00:57:52.010
<v Speaker 2>They very often for told stormy weather or shipwreck, that's what they associated mermaids with.

00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.619
<v Speaker 2>That gave you see a mermaid in the ocean.

00:57:54.860 --> 00:57:55.820
<v Speaker 2>A storm's a Bruin.

00:57:56.329 --> 00:57:59.090
<v Speaker 2>It's like a pink skies at night.

00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.389
<v Speaker 2>Sailors' delight pink skies and morning sailors take warning.

00:58:03.110 --> 00:58:11.449
<v Speaker 3>Or the fact that you're hallucinating is probably a, also a pretty big red flag that the void is going downhill.

00:58:11.570 --> 00:58:11.900
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:58:12.829 --> 00:58:13.190
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:58:14.090 --> 00:58:22.489
<v Speaker 2>So outside of ocean mermaids, the United Kingdom also has folklore around more people within rivers and lakes, which are also seen as dangerous.

00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:44.750
<v Speaker 2>It was believed that if you came too close, they would drown you some alternate stories, show mermaids, saving sailors or others who are near drowning, or actually taking the time to teach them natural remedies and medicines from the deep Selkies who we talked about in the Celtic Fe episode are creatures of Irish, Scottish and Icelandic descent seals that can also transform into humans.

00:58:44.989 --> 00:58:47.539
<v Speaker 2>So in human form, they're often beautiful women.

00:58:48.530 --> 00:58:51.530
<v Speaker 2>Uh, but you know, they turn into seals.

00:58:52.130 --> 00:58:55.699
<v Speaker 2>Self means seal in the speech from Scotland's or Comey islands.

00:58:55.969 --> 00:58:59.210
<v Speaker 2>We often see Selkies in the form of romantic tragedies.

00:58:59.269 --> 00:59:02.780
<v Speaker 2>So why don't we talk about silkies and the Celtic Fe episode?

00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:03.500
<v Speaker 2>That's why.

00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:03.829
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:59:04.489 --> 00:59:14.179
<v Speaker 2>So generally, if a man comes across a seal skin shed by a silky in human form, he can take it, which forces her to become his wife Helia.

00:59:14.570 --> 00:59:16.010
<v Speaker 2>No, that's terrible.

00:59:16.250 --> 00:59:18.710
<v Speaker 2>We don't want to force women to be wives free.

00:59:19.460 --> 00:59:20.329
<v Speaker 2>Sealskin okay.

00:59:20.809 --> 00:59:26.179
<v Speaker 2>She can steal it back in order to escape, which leaves her husband lonely and desolate.

00:59:26.300 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:59:26.601 --> 00:59:26.929
<v Speaker 2>He has

00:59:26.929 --> 00:59:28.340
<v Speaker 3>No, no wife.

00:59:28.369 --> 00:59:28.550
<v Speaker 3>No.

00:59:28.550 --> 00:59:30.530
<v Speaker 3>Sealskin he's got nothing going for him.

00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Another version is that if a lonely fisherman's wife cries seven tiers into the sea, a handsome male Sellke will come and make love to her.

00:59:40.670 --> 00:59:41.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, hell yeah.

00:59:41.630 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah.

00:59:43.579 --> 00:59:45.110
<v Speaker 2>Everybody, everybody wins.

00:59:45.500 --> 00:59:45.860
<v Speaker 2>I guess

00:59:45.860 --> 00:59:46.610
<v Speaker 3>It's tough to cry.

00:59:46.610 --> 00:59:48.170
<v Speaker 3>Seven tears specifically.

00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:50.179
<v Speaker 3>It is, that's a lot of tier control.

00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:52.940
<v Speaker 2>It is a lot of tier control.

00:59:54.449 --> 00:59:55.940
<v Speaker 2>It would be easy to cry more.

00:59:55.969 --> 00:59:59.780
<v Speaker 2>Can you cheat with like,[inaudible] all you have to do is put on an episode of the office.

01:00:00.769 --> 01:00:01.940
<v Speaker 3>Th that one episode.

01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:03.650
<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's multiple episodes.

01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:05.900
<v Speaker 3>There's also that episode of Futurama with the dog

01:00:06.500 --> 01:00:07.309
<v Speaker 2>And I've not seen that.

01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>What

01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:11.210
<v Speaker 3>Well, for all you listeners out there, you know exactly what I'm talking

01:00:11.210 --> 01:00:11.449
<v Speaker 2>About.

01:00:12.530 --> 01:00:12.710
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:00:12.710 --> 01:00:16.099
<v Speaker 2>We're not, we're not going to take a hop and end up in France.

01:00:17.269 --> 01:00:19.969
<v Speaker 2>Malison is a French word for a European spirit.

01:00:20.510 --> 01:00:30.219
<v Speaker 2>Typically she appears similar to a mermaid as a human on top with the half of a fish or serpent, some iterations give her wings or multiple tails or fins.

01:00:30.579 --> 01:00:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Here's a little, a quote from Wikipedia.

01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:40.059
<v Speaker 2>One tale says Malusa in herself, was the daughter of the ferry proceed and king Elena's of Albany, which is now Scotland.

01:00:41.010 --> 01:00:44.739
<v Speaker 2>Mallesons mother leaves her husband taking her daughters to the isle of Avalon.

01:00:44.740 --> 01:00:53.110
<v Speaker 2>After he breaks an oath, never to look in at her and her daughter in their bath, the same pattern appears in stories or Malusa and marries a nobleman.

01:00:53.409 --> 01:00:56.409
<v Speaker 2>Only after he makes an oath to give her privacy in her bath.

01:00:57.250 --> 01:01:10.300
<v Speaker 2>Each time she leaves the noblemen after he breaks the oath, shapeshifting and flight on wings, away from oath, breaking husbands, also figure in stories about Malusa in one of those well-known stories, that one was in dates back to the mid 13 hundreds in France.

01:01:10.630 --> 01:01:14.559
<v Speaker 2>So they all showed a followed this same pattern.

01:01:14.650 --> 01:01:22.719
<v Speaker 2>And again, she's not like a God or goddess, but she is this spirit, or it's almost like a local folklore, you know, like a local legend.

01:01:22.750 --> 01:01:23.110
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:01:23.730 --> 01:01:26.070
<v Speaker 3>Par with the, uh, the, like the dyads.

01:01:26.340 --> 01:01:27.300
<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly.

01:01:27.389 --> 01:01:29.849
<v Speaker 3>It's just a mythical beast.

01:01:29.969 --> 01:01:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:01:30.449 --> 01:01:34.530
<v Speaker 3>Of divine origin, but not among the gods themselves, her

01:01:34.530 --> 01:01:35.460
<v Speaker 2>Just like a lesser deal.

01:01:35.969 --> 01:01:38.159
<v Speaker 2>So it's somewhat similar to the Rasaka right.

01:01:38.161 --> 01:01:41.460
<v Speaker 2>Where they're born of bad male behavior.

01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:47.969
<v Speaker 2>You know, also I didn't realize this, but there is actually a biblical reference to mermaids.

01:01:48.059 --> 01:02:02.579
<v Speaker 2>What, according to sky Alexander, again, who wrote the mermaid book, the story of Noah's Ark references, Murphy folk, a 15th century, biblical illustration of the story includes a Merman, a mermaid and Murdoch swimming along the arc.

01:02:02.581 --> 01:02:04.019
<v Speaker 2>So to be fair, I don't know.

01:02:04.110 --> 01:02:05.190
<v Speaker 2>I listened to listen element.

01:02:05.190 --> 01:02:06.329
<v Speaker 2>Let me defend my position.

01:02:06.539 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 2>My dog, a Murdoch.

01:02:08.641 --> 01:02:08.929
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

01:02:09.090 --> 01:02:10.710
<v Speaker 2>It's a Murdoch of Murdoch.

01:02:11.010 --> 01:02:11.789
<v Speaker 2>What does it look like?

01:02:11.791 --> 01:02:12.510
<v Speaker 2>Top dog?

01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:13.349
<v Speaker 2>Bottom fish.

01:02:14.329 --> 01:02:15.150
<v Speaker 2>That's a doggy paddle.

01:02:15.539 --> 01:02:15.539
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:16.380
<v Speaker 2>Why?

01:02:16.530 --> 01:02:23.010
<v Speaker 2>And let me just say to be fair, I don't know if this was a biblical reference or if this wasn't a biblical, a paint like painting.

01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:29.519
<v Speaker 2>No, it's Canon, but uh, but either way it's, uh, it's kind of a funny iteration of Noah's arc.

01:02:30.750 --> 01:02:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I just Googled Murdoch.

01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:37.590
<v Speaker 3>There's lots of corgis slash needs.

01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.690
<v Speaker 3>Well, their butts flow.

01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:40.110
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:02:40.590 --> 01:02:41.519
<v Speaker 3>This is weird.

01:02:41.550 --> 01:02:43.050
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we're getting to some weird furry stuff.

01:02:43.050 --> 01:02:43.980
<v Speaker 3>I got to stop Google this.

01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.210
<v Speaker 2>So the final thing we're going to talk about today.

01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:48.989
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:51.059
<v Speaker 2>Not a specific place.

01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 2>And on the map, we're going to travel to a center of being here.

01:02:57.780 --> 01:03:05.309
<v Speaker 2>The silky, we're going to talk about twin or split tail mermaids, dating back to antiquity.

01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.239
<v Speaker 2>We see images and art of mermaids with dual or split tail

01:03:10.289 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Cause of a, uh, recessive gene.

01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:23.239
<v Speaker 2>You may remember, or you can Google the original Starbucks logo for a visual of this because the original Starbucks logo actually had a split tail mermaid, huh?

01:03:23.420 --> 01:03:28.010
<v Speaker 2>Where she kind of had a tail going off in each direction, which is how they had like this circular.

01:03:28.070 --> 01:03:28.550
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

01:03:28.659 --> 01:03:29.329
<v Speaker 3>It went back.

01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:30.139
<v Speaker 3>That makes sense.

01:03:30.141 --> 01:03:31.309
<v Speaker 3>Like a U yeah.

01:03:31.670 --> 01:03:38.449
<v Speaker 2>According to the author of the book, this mermaid is a combination of an early Celtic fertility goddess named Sheila and a gig.

01:03:38.989 --> 01:03:42.860
<v Speaker 2>And so she is known to squat in order to show off her genitals.

01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 2>And she's also a mermaid as we mostly picture them today.

01:03:46.849 --> 01:03:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Powerplay, the obvious connotation is that the twin tail allows for her to have sex with human men.

01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:53.780
<v Speaker 3>Aha.

01:03:54.289 --> 01:03:55.099
<v Speaker 3>That's where it is.

01:03:55.610 --> 01:04:04.010
<v Speaker 2>If you're looking to encounter art featuring this last in the wild, who is not, you can visit many men, human penny, European churches.

01:04:04.340 --> 01:04:15.469
<v Speaker 2>So five or six major French churches, not to mention Notre Dom and a handful of historical Italian and English, churches still feature this like medieval or earlier.

01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:17.389
<v Speaker 2>Art of the church.

01:04:17.420 --> 01:04:18.139
<v Speaker 2>Let's think about this.

01:04:18.141 --> 01:04:23.179
<v Speaker 2>We're in a church, a cathedral, this split tail lusty, mermaid art.

01:04:23.510 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 2>So you may be thinking like I was Allen.

01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Why would images of a sexy mermaid be painted all across these major churches in Europe?

01:04:30.530 --> 01:04:30.739
<v Speaker 2>That's

01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:31.610
<v Speaker 3>Very obvious.

01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:32.929
<v Speaker 3>Mermaids were used.

01:04:32.931 --> 01:04:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Thirsty men exist.

01:04:34.849 --> 01:04:38.719
<v Speaker 2>No mermaids were used to symbolize certain sins to churchgoers.

01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:49.190
<v Speaker 2>In this instance, the sins of vanity and lust, these paintings were meant to inspire church goers to avoid temptation that probably just gave them something fun to fantasize about.

01:04:49.190 --> 01:04:52.150
<v Speaker 2>Instead of paying attention in church, we are hundreds

01:04:52.150 --> 01:04:56.739
<v Speaker 3>Of years away from thinking it's even acceptable to swim with exposed angles.

01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:57.579
<v Speaker 3>Oh no.

01:04:57.610 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, so like of course, uh, a lusty C woman is going to be the epitome of sin.

01:05:05.619 --> 01:05:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah.

01:05:06.969 --> 01:05:08.800
<v Speaker 2>She's the epitome of everything.

01:05:09.099 --> 01:05:09.579
<v Speaker 2>We love it.

01:05:09.610 --> 01:05:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:05:09.969 --> 01:05:11.920
<v Speaker 2>She is all piety.

01:05:12.489 --> 01:05:13.599
<v Speaker 2>She is all.

01:05:15.130 --> 01:05:15.130
<v Speaker 2>No.

01:05:15.369 --> 01:05:16.269
<v Speaker 2>And I just think she's cool.

01:05:16.329 --> 01:05:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously she's developed out of like hate, but I love the power of her now while

01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:23.769
<v Speaker 3>She's Watson and presents her genitals.

01:05:24.070 --> 01:05:24.610
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

01:05:24.909 --> 01:05:26.619
<v Speaker 3>It's like, ah, just walking by the coast.

01:05:26.621 --> 01:05:26.980
<v Speaker 3>There she

01:05:26.980 --> 01:05:29.829
<v Speaker 2>Is squat, which is also like such a male gaze thing.

01:05:29.831 --> 01:05:30.219
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:05:31.269 --> 01:05:31.449
<v Speaker 2>Well,

01:05:31.449 --> 01:05:36.340
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like, wow, we have this image of a mermaid, but I really want to have sex with it.

01:05:36.369 --> 01:05:37.269
<v Speaker 3>But I can't.

01:05:37.271 --> 01:05:39.010
<v Speaker 3>Where's that hole exactly.

01:05:39.510 --> 01:05:41.199
<v Speaker 3>What do I do?

01:05:41.380 --> 01:05:42.219
<v Speaker 3>Give her two tails.

01:05:42.250 --> 01:05:43.780
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm glad you asked.

01:05:45.130 --> 01:05:46.150
<v Speaker 3>Hello, thirsty man.

01:05:46.329 --> 01:05:46.570
<v Speaker 3>It's

01:05:46.570 --> 01:05:47.050
<v Speaker 2>Gross.

01:05:47.139 --> 01:05:48.909
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so here we go.

01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Allen, do you know where we are?

01:05:50.789 --> 01:05:53.170
<v Speaker 3>I have a, are we taking the sub?

01:05:53.739 --> 01:05:54.429
<v Speaker 2>The sub?

01:05:54.550 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, we're right.

01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:56.860
<v Speaker 2>Where we're meant to be.

01:05:57.099 --> 01:05:59.949
<v Speaker 2>We are in the pop culture section of this episode.

01:06:00.010 --> 01:06:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:06:00.969 --> 01:06:02.889
<v Speaker 2>We have to start of course, with the little mermaid,

01:06:03.429 --> 01:06:05.199
<v Speaker 3>The biggest phony of the wall.

01:06:05.409 --> 01:06:07.119
<v Speaker 3>It's the pinnacle mermaid story.

01:06:07.121 --> 01:06:07.570
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:14.199
<v Speaker 3>And all of it, there is not a single instance of murderous mermaids in anywhere in the little mermaid.

01:06:14.500 --> 01:06:15.190
<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

01:06:15.849 --> 01:06:18.820
<v Speaker 3>Well in the Disney version, there's not,

01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:21.539
<v Speaker 2>Do you consider Ursula a mermaid?

01:06:22.019 --> 01:06:23.190
<v Speaker 2>Cause she's pretty murderous.

01:06:23.190 --> 01:06:24.150
<v Speaker 2>She's a sea witch.

01:06:24.630 --> 01:06:24.900
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:06:25.170 --> 01:06:25.860
<v Speaker 2>She has tentacles.

01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:29.699
<v Speaker 2>I know she scared me so much when I was little and the yields.

01:06:29.701 --> 01:06:30.690
<v Speaker 2>I hate eels.

01:06:31.550 --> 01:06:31.550
<v Speaker 2>Well,

01:06:31.550 --> 01:06:33.619
<v Speaker 3>We're going to get into mermaids and Niels and their ties.

01:06:34.130 --> 01:06:35.389
<v Speaker 2>Wait, are we oh yeah.

01:06:35.449 --> 01:06:37.460
<v Speaker 2>When in the pop culture section.

01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:50.000
<v Speaker 2>So it is perhaps the pinnacle mermaid story in all of its forms from the original fairytale, by Hans Christian Anderson to the Disney blockbuster, which at the time was one of the most successful box office films.

01:06:50.001 --> 01:06:51.289
<v Speaker 2>Disney had ever released.

01:06:52.340 --> 01:06:57.050
<v Speaker 2>Anderson's a little mermaid was first published on April 7th, 1837 in Denmark.

01:06:57.590 --> 01:07:02.090
<v Speaker 2>There is still a statue in Copenhagen that 75% of visiting tourists.

01:07:02.090 --> 01:07:09.500
<v Speaker 2>See while they're in town of the mermaid, I want get this statistic.

01:07:10.610 --> 01:07:11.659
<v Speaker 2>Listen, I got all the

01:07:11.659 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Facts.

01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:15.199
<v Speaker 3>They pull 100% of tourists.

01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:16.250
<v Speaker 3>It's like, what did you see?

01:07:16.340 --> 01:07:17.900
<v Speaker 3>Did you see the little mermaid statue?

01:07:19.389 --> 01:07:19.389
<v Speaker 3>75%?

01:07:21.739 --> 01:07:28.670
<v Speaker 2>The Disney film was released in 1989 and it is very early and it is a very loosely based on the original story by Anderson.

01:07:29.150 --> 01:07:36.889
<v Speaker 2>It was originally planned to be one of Walt Disney's earliest films, part of a package of vignettes from Hans Christian Anderson tales and the 1930s.

01:07:38.329 --> 01:07:43.880
<v Speaker 2>However, the project was delayed and put on ice until 1985 when there's renewed interest at Disney.

01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:48.369
<v Speaker 2>So can you imagine 1930 we could have had a mermaid and it

01:07:48.380 --> 01:07:50.119
<v Speaker 3>Would have been not nearly as good.

01:07:50.449 --> 01:07:50.750
<v Speaker 3>No.

01:07:51.769 --> 01:07:53.659
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it could have been funky and retro though.

01:07:54.289 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Well,

01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.230
<v Speaker 3>So what was the ER, the first one was snow white, right?

01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:58.219
<v Speaker 2>I dunno.

01:07:58.250 --> 01:07:59.539
<v Speaker 2>The first one was seen, but Willie.

01:07:59.570 --> 01:07:59.809
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:03.199
<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying like the first big calorie tail.

01:08:03.260 --> 01:08:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, big color.

01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:09.739
<v Speaker 3>A Disney extravaganza movie I think was snow away.

01:08:09.889 --> 01:08:13.460
<v Speaker 3>Cause I was 53, 54 anyways.

01:08:13.489 --> 01:08:16.399
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the very early ones and snow white.

01:08:16.729 --> 01:08:18.079
<v Speaker 3>There's certainly nothing wrong with it.

01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.380
<v Speaker 3>It does not nearly have the finesse of the little mermaid.

01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:21.829
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:08:23.689 --> 01:08:30.859
<v Speaker 2>So of course we have Peter pan, which for me growing up was important with mermaids because I loved the mermaids in Peter pan.

01:08:30.949 --> 01:08:31.159
<v Speaker 2>There's

01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Little mermaids.

01:08:33.170 --> 01:08:33.739
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember that

01:08:34.130 --> 01:08:37.010
<v Speaker 2>When he goes, when they're in the Cove, of course there's mermaids.

01:08:37.250 --> 01:08:37.970
<v Speaker 2>There's like tiger.

01:08:37.970 --> 01:08:41.420
<v Speaker 2>Lily is taken and they go by and there's all the mermaids.

01:08:42.050 --> 01:08:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And so in hook and pan there's also mermaids.

01:08:45.050 --> 01:08:45.439
<v Speaker 2>Huh?

01:08:45.529 --> 01:08:45.710
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:08:45.729 --> 01:08:47.630
<v Speaker 3>I don't re I, I read the book.

01:08:47.970 --> 01:08:49.250
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember mermaids.

01:08:49.340 --> 01:08:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

01:08:49.970 --> 01:08:52.250
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they were just added in the movies maybe.

01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:55.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's also, I glanced over it.

01:08:55.729 --> 01:09:06.350
<v Speaker 3>I, that whole world is full of so many fantastic beasts and where, where they're found, uh, that I, I just don't think that they're, they're, they're not a pinnacle part of the story.

01:09:06.350 --> 01:09:06.619
<v Speaker 3>It's more of a,

01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but I don't know for me, I think misses me projecting because for me they were pinnacle.

01:09:12.739 --> 01:09:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I love them.

01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just, I loved mermaid so much that anything they were in, I was like, I love are so cool.

01:09:20.739 --> 01:09:26.470
<v Speaker 2>I loved the way, you know, I don't know if it's outdated or not now, but I just remember being like really excited about that.

01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:27.779
<v Speaker 2>Um, I mean, that's,

01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:28.979
<v Speaker 3>That's fair.

01:09:29.130 --> 01:09:36.239
<v Speaker 3>I feel like a lot of girls from our generation really strongly resonate with mermaids.

01:09:36.270 --> 01:09:37.050
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

01:09:37.619 --> 01:09:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Do you think it's simply from the little mermaid and Ariel and all of the branding behind that or?

01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:42.689
<v Speaker 3>Yeah,

01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's certainly a big part of it.

01:09:45.329 --> 01:10:05.369
<v Speaker 2>And I think there, it's almost like this, you know, it's like, I think because of those things, it became a really fun and accessible escapism, like fantasy game, you know, like there's this stupid tick-tock of a guy and he's like pretending to be, you know, like a little girl and her friend and she's like, I want to walk in the pool today.

01:10:05.430 --> 01:10:08.789
<v Speaker 2>I want to be the mermaid with the brown and you know, white tail.

01:10:08.791 --> 01:10:10.289
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, no, I want to be the mom.

01:10:10.329 --> 01:10:10.590
<v Speaker 2>You know?

01:10:10.591 --> 01:10:16.890
<v Speaker 2>And it's, oh, I've seen this, I didn't do that as a kid, but I, but I re re like resonate with that.

01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Make-believe and I think that, yeah, it's easy to be like, oh my God, they're so beautiful.

01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:23.460
<v Speaker 2>They're so cool.

01:10:23.461 --> 01:10:24.329
<v Speaker 2>They're in the water.

01:10:24.331 --> 01:10:28.050
<v Speaker 2>They're like, they're just really powerful and magical.

01:10:28.051 --> 01:10:30.239
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of girls attached to that,

01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Which is interesting because did they have magic?

01:10:34.590 --> 01:10:37.229
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're magic in that they're magical creatures and

01:10:37.229 --> 01:10:40.350
<v Speaker 3>That they're defying laws of physics of breathing and talking on your water

01:10:40.460 --> 01:10:40.680
<v Speaker 2>And yeah.

01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 2>And they have their own magical worlds.

01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.649
<v Speaker 2>And, you know, in reality, living in the ocean is like probably pretty bleak.

01:10:46.710 --> 01:10:48.569
<v Speaker 2>I'd say more mystical than magical.

01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:49.710
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:51.060
<v Speaker 2>If you want to split hairs here.

01:10:51.510 --> 01:10:55.380
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I was just trying to like guys like in those movies and movies.

01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:03.539
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm trying to think of like, in like the Disney versions mermaids have what abilities they could.

01:11:03.930 --> 01:11:06.149
<v Speaker 2>They swim underwater their existence.

01:11:06.210 --> 01:11:06.210
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:11:06.270 --> 01:11:06.659
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

01:11:06.689 --> 01:11:07.050
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:11:07.590 --> 01:11:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Cause I know Ursula, who's not a mermaid.

01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:11.550
<v Speaker 2>No, but nobody wants to be Ursula.

01:11:11.579 --> 01:11:12.420
<v Speaker 2>She's terrifying.

01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:13.560
<v Speaker 2>She has all these powers.

01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:13.859
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:11:13.860 --> 01:11:15.210
<v Speaker 2>But that's not, I'm not in it for them.

01:11:15.270 --> 01:11:15.930
<v Speaker 2>Powers.

01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:16.289
<v Speaker 2>Does

01:11:16.739 --> 01:11:19.529
<v Speaker 3>Triton have powers or does he, the tray Trident?

01:11:20.250 --> 01:11:23.189
<v Speaker 2>His Trident has power zaps, right?

01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:24.060
<v Speaker 2>Like Zeus.

01:11:24.090 --> 01:11:24.390
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

01:11:24.390 --> 01:11:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:28.680
<v Speaker 2>So there's a few non horror films to call out here.

01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:28.949
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:11:28.951 --> 01:11:29.850
<v Speaker 2>For live action.

01:11:29.850 --> 01:11:33.420
<v Speaker 2>We have splash aquamarine the 13th year.

01:11:33.421 --> 01:11:36.090
<v Speaker 2>And of course, Aqua man, what does 13th year?

01:11:36.390 --> 01:11:46.710
<v Speaker 2>It was like one of those old, I don't know if it was Disney or Nickelodeon or whatever, but it was like, you know, turn 13 mermaids.

01:11:46.949 --> 01:11:47.310
<v Speaker 2>What?

01:11:47.340 --> 01:11:47.699
<v Speaker 2>You know?

01:11:47.789 --> 01:11:49.199
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't want to give it away.

01:11:49.770 --> 01:11:50.130
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:11:50.130 --> 01:11:50.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

01:11:50.400 --> 01:11:51.630
<v Speaker 3>So we won't talk about that one.

01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:52.590
<v Speaker 3>I'm not familiar.

01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:55.890
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I, I would like to talk about Aquaman for a

01:11:55.890 --> 01:11:57.869
<v Speaker 2>Moment as I figured you would.

01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:00.449
<v Speaker 2>So this was always

01:12:00.449 --> 01:12:05.550
<v Speaker 3>A very, I was always a little baffled by the Aquaman mythos.

01:12:06.420 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 3>So in Atlantis Aquaman's stomping grounds.

01:12:12.149 --> 01:12:12.149
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

01:12:12.449 --> 01:12:13.710
<v Speaker 3>Splashing grounds, whatever.

01:12:13.949 --> 01:12:19.789
<v Speaker 3>There's traditionally to caliber of folk.

01:12:20.270 --> 01:12:29.270
<v Speaker 3>Like one is like, they look just like humans, but they can, for some reason, breathe under water and basically fly underwater as well.

01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:30.380
<v Speaker 3>Cause they don't swim.

01:12:30.381 --> 01:12:33.560
<v Speaker 3>They just like propel themselves at crazy speed, like Superman, but underwater.

01:12:33.949 --> 01:12:33.949
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:43.250
<v Speaker 3>But then there's also the whole race of Murphy folk who look like fish people, they look like creature from the black lagoon.

01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:45.260
<v Speaker 3>There's a whole race of them down there.

01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:48.109
<v Speaker 3>And those are like the true Atlanteans right.

01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:49.930
<v Speaker 3>And like

01:12:49.930 --> 01:12:55.899
<v Speaker 2>The job, like the, the peop the Mo the Fishman that washed up on the exactly Indonesian shore.

01:12:56.829 --> 01:13:01.210
<v Speaker 3>Um, and I'm sure it's addressed in the comics somewhere.

01:13:01.211 --> 01:13:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm just not super versed in Aquaman, but like, w when did that happen?

01:13:05.619 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Why are there just like two races?

01:13:07.240 --> 01:13:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Like one is like perfectly human with no fish attributes and one is hardcore fish.

01:13:11.890 --> 01:13:12.609
<v Speaker 3>And why is it no.

01:13:12.610 --> 01:13:13.239
<v Speaker 3>In between?

01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Are there like race wars?

01:13:14.710 --> 01:13:15.310
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

01:13:15.550 --> 01:13:19.569
<v Speaker 3>But like, I feel like that's such an interesting method.

01:13:19.689 --> 01:13:24.399
<v Speaker 3>It's like, can the fish people swim as fast as the people that just fly under water?

01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:25.149
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

01:13:25.180 --> 01:13:26.560
<v Speaker 3>These are things I think about at night.

01:13:27.250 --> 01:13:34.720
<v Speaker 2>These are things that never crossed my mind, but I know what to get you for the holidays now, or for your birthday, which is even sooner.

01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.149
<v Speaker 2>So don't buy yourself Aquaman comics.

01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:37.649
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Don't do it well,

01:13:39.789 --> 01:13:44.590
<v Speaker 3>Because, so in Mo you know, modern superheroes, right.

01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Because Aquaman has been around for awhile.

01:13:46.810 --> 01:13:46.810
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:13:47.229 --> 01:13:53.319
<v Speaker 3>And he, you know, he's still very much around, uh, in like young justice, which is a great series.

01:13:53.739 --> 01:13:55.390
<v Speaker 2>There's that Aquaman movie that came out.

01:13:55.449 --> 01:13:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:56.050
<v Speaker 2>There's the

01:13:56.050 --> 01:13:57.010
<v Speaker 3>Aquaman movie.

01:13:57.069 --> 01:13:58.239
<v Speaker 3>The answer is none of my questions.

01:13:58.600 --> 01:13:58.869
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:13:58.871 --> 01:14:01.840
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't very good, but I liked it.

01:14:02.140 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 3>I feel like you didn't like it.

01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:04.779
<v Speaker 3>I, I thought it was fun.

01:14:05.109 --> 01:14:05.500
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:14:05.529 --> 01:14:07.930
<v Speaker 3>We shouldn't get too much into the politics of Amber heard.

01:14:09.100 --> 01:14:11.350
<v Speaker 3>She's just awful in the series.

01:14:11.350 --> 01:14:12.279
<v Speaker 3>Young justice.

01:14:12.489 --> 01:14:17.890
<v Speaker 3>So you have Aqua lad who is not ACO son.

01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

01:14:18.729 --> 01:14:21.489
<v Speaker 3>Despite the naming, he's actually a black man to son.

01:14:21.729 --> 01:14:22.390
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

01:14:22.390 --> 01:14:23.229
<v Speaker 3>That's a huge spoiler.

01:14:23.230 --> 01:14:24.310
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, actually.

01:14:24.489 --> 01:14:27.310
<v Speaker 3>So he's not Aquaman's son, but he's affiliated.

01:14:28.180 --> 01:14:41.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and then you also have Lagon who is from the fish monster race, which is not the right term, but you know, he's basically like a fish guy, but he can Hoke out like a puffer fish.

01:14:41.590 --> 01:14:44.529
<v Speaker 3>But when he gets all big, he gets really strong[inaudible] and he's just kind of cool.

01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:44.979
<v Speaker 3>I like him.

01:14:45.220 --> 01:14:45.550
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:14:45.819 --> 01:14:46.119
<v Speaker 3>Let's meet.

01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:47.109
<v Speaker 3>And he ends up dating.

01:14:47.260 --> 01:14:47.619
<v Speaker 3>Miss Marcia.

01:14:48.069 --> 01:14:48.550
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

01:14:49.420 --> 01:14:50.470
<v Speaker 2>There's love is all around us.

01:14:50.470 --> 01:14:52.090
<v Speaker 2>You just have to open your eyes and look for it,

01:14:52.899 --> 01:14:55.029
<v Speaker 3>Or just cry in the ocean seven times.

01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:55.210
<v Speaker 3>Well,

01:14:55.210 --> 01:14:58.539
<v Speaker 2>That's not love that's lust and there's a difference.

01:14:58.840 --> 01:14:59.289
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:14:59.409 --> 01:15:03.520
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about the overwhelming list of horror movies that include mermaids.

01:15:03.909 --> 01:15:05.289
<v Speaker 2>We have the mermaid's curse.

01:15:05.890 --> 01:15:08.229
<v Speaker 2>We have blew my mind the color blue.

01:15:08.590 --> 01:15:08.590
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:15:09.670 --> 01:15:16.979
<v Speaker 2>Daggone mermaid down mermaid from 2018 Knight tide from 19 one, which I would really like to watch.

01:15:17.489 --> 01:15:32.909
<v Speaker 2>We have lady in the water, which is an M night Shyamalan film with D uh, with Bryce Dallas Howard, which I remember at the time being kind of confused by, but now, or I dunno, not confused by it, but I had some deep thoughts about, and I would love to revisit.

01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:37.409
<v Speaker 2>And then of course we have the two big one, the two modern ones.

01:15:37.979 --> 01:15:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Now that lady in the water is in modern, but two more modern ones, which is the lighthouse.

01:15:42.329 --> 01:15:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the mermaid scene in the lighthouse?

01:15:44.220 --> 01:15:46.470
<v Speaker 2>I do is very graphic, very graphic,

01:15:47.270 --> 01:15:47.270
<v Speaker 3>Lot.

01:15:47.289 --> 01:15:50.930
<v Speaker 3>A lot of she did not have split tales.

01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:53.989
<v Speaker 3>No, despite that fact there was lots of lovemaking.

01:15:54.590 --> 01:15:55.100
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

01:15:55.159 --> 01:16:02.779
<v Speaker 2>And same goes for the lore from 2015, which also included external genitals.

01:16:03.170 --> 01:16:09.590
<v Speaker 2>So the lore, uh, which is a horror, a Polish horror musical, you can watch on Amazon prime.

01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:20.090
<v Speaker 2>We do a huge deep dive into this, uh, on Patrion and horror movie club, where we talk about a crack in horror movie and a mermaid horror movie, uh, for this month's horror movie club on Patrion.

01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:26.420
<v Speaker 2>But we will talk about it a little bit here because it is worth talking about it's incredibly dark.

01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And I will say there's a little bit of a trigger warning for me on some of the sexuality in it, but it's incredibly dark, but I think it's super successful at like it being, you hear the words, mermaid, horror, musical it's I think it pulls it off really well

01:16:43.909 --> 01:16:44.539
<v Speaker 3>For the most part.

01:16:45.109 --> 01:16:52.520
<v Speaker 3>And he does, um, I do also want to quantify that there is a second trigger warning, at least for me, because there is a live vivisection

01:16:52.850 --> 01:16:52.850
<v Speaker 2>Scene.

01:16:52.909 --> 01:16:54.140
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes.

01:16:54.439 --> 01:17:06.560
<v Speaker 2>And I, so I would say watch with caution, uh, the girls look kind of young to me and they're, it's, you know, it's not great when it comes to the sexuality of it for them, but it goes

01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.119
<v Speaker 3>Into some interesting territory.

01:17:09.260 --> 01:17:13.130
<v Speaker 3>Uh, that said, if you look at the film as a whole, it's very

01:17:13.130 --> 01:17:13.460
<v Speaker 2>Strong.

01:17:13.729 --> 01:17:23.960
<v Speaker 2>It follows Hans Christian Anderson mermaid roles, which we think is really cool for the most part it's graphic and violent, which we've talked about, but it's also got really cool music.

01:17:23.961 --> 01:17:37.670
<v Speaker 2>And it J like John rhe, Ben so successfully like jumping between really scary horror moments and very like silly, quirky disco, punk music scenes and things like that.

01:17:37.671 --> 01:17:40.220
<v Speaker 2>And it, it really is interesting.

01:17:40.220 --> 01:17:50.300
<v Speaker 2>And even though it's Polish language, and so you don't really always know like what the lyrics are or if the subtitles are one-to-one or whatever, it's very, I think, successful out of Woking through the visuals of it.

01:17:50.301 --> 01:17:51.710
<v Speaker 2>It's very well done.

01:17:52.130 --> 01:17:56.210
<v Speaker 2>The, you know, the moods and the transformation that's happening in the character.

01:17:56.449 --> 01:17:57.560
<v Speaker 2>So definitely check

01:17:57.560 --> 01:18:03.470
<v Speaker 3>It out and also then check out our patron episode as we jump into

01:18:03.470 --> 01:18:03.649
<v Speaker 2>It.

01:18:03.770 --> 01:18:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:18:04.189 --> 01:18:08.789
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01:18:08.930 --> 01:18:11.600
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01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:12.800
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01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.100
<v Speaker 2>So I think that wraps up our movies.

01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:15.819
<v Speaker 2>It does.

01:18:16.590 --> 01:18:19.829
<v Speaker 3>I, can we take this opportunity to talk while mermaid books, please?

01:18:19.831 --> 01:18:20.340
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:21.420
<v Speaker 3>What's your favorite?

01:18:21.930 --> 01:18:24.899
<v Speaker 3>The little mermaid by Hans Christian Anderson?

01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:27.510
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I have a favorite mermaid book.

01:18:27.779 --> 01:18:29.069
<v Speaker 2>Well, I certainly do.

01:18:29.100 --> 01:18:32.189
<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it, which is into the drowning deep by Myra grant.

01:18:32.729 --> 01:18:32.729
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:33.329
<v Speaker 2>Tell us

01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:37.140
<v Speaker 3>To what the lead book I read in preparation for this episode.

01:18:37.949 --> 01:18:45.210
<v Speaker 3>Uh, I just really love the mermaid lore in this because they did a lot to add.

01:18:45.779 --> 01:18:59.850
<v Speaker 3>It's one of those things where they add just enough scientific fact mixed in where the only real leap that they're taking is the fact that in this world, mermaids actually exist.

01:19:00.029 --> 01:19:00.420
<v Speaker 3>Got it.

01:19:00.659 --> 01:19:22.260
<v Speaker 3>So in this, yeah, in this world, this novel mermaids, their physiology, they look like women on their top half, but only from a long distance they're humanoid, you know, in that they have a torso and arms and ahead.

01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:23.039
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:19:23.250 --> 01:19:26.130
<v Speaker 3>But you know, they don't have breasts or anything, mate.

01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:38.489
<v Speaker 3>They, oh, they have a, they have a slight convex on their chest, which from a huge distance when you're a lonely sailor might be breasts, but their hands, their arms are like way longer than normal.

01:19:38.819 --> 01:19:43.949
<v Speaker 3>Their fingers are like slow or like Slenderman long, you know?

01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:45.329
<v Speaker 3>And they're webbed.

01:19:45.810 --> 01:19:45.810
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:19:46.109 --> 01:19:48.510
<v Speaker 3>And they have a ton of knuckles, honestly.

01:19:48.510 --> 01:19:53.189
<v Speaker 2>That's the most unrealistic part of all mermaid lore is that of course they would have web tans.

01:19:53.220 --> 01:19:53.460
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

01:19:53.939 --> 01:19:56.369
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they have like a ton of knuckles on their hands.

01:19:56.371 --> 01:20:02.189
<v Speaker 3>It's just like, they're basically like tentacle fingers, you know, but boned interesting.

01:20:02.789 --> 01:20:04.949
<v Speaker 3>Um, but what I love is the tail.

01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:07.409
<v Speaker 3>It's not your typical porpoise tail.

01:20:08.430 --> 01:20:11.369
<v Speaker 3>It's a stupidly long EAL tail.

01:20:11.460 --> 01:20:11.460
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:20:12.329 --> 01:20:14.279
<v Speaker 2>I hate emails with a passion

01:20:14.310 --> 01:20:16.710
<v Speaker 3>With a bit of a fin at the end.

01:20:16.890 --> 01:20:30.569
<v Speaker 3>I cannot, but that makes so much since, you know, you're, it would allow for like crazy fast swimming speeds and it's, it's, you know, especially eels and depths and swimming through rocks and stuff.

01:20:30.630 --> 01:20:32.760
<v Speaker 3>It makes way more sense than a dolphin tail.

01:20:32.819 --> 01:20:33.039
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:20:33.041 --> 01:20:33.270
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:20:33.750 --> 01:20:37.409
<v Speaker 3>Also, they don't have hair per se.

01:20:37.859 --> 01:20:43.350
<v Speaker 3>They again have more like tentacles, which, which was like Medusa, sorta like Medusa.

01:20:43.649 --> 01:20:51.810
<v Speaker 3>They they're they're thick rope, like things, but w what was the, the lore where the mermaids were able to grab people with their hair?

01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:52.890
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:54.569
<v Speaker 2>The rest sock the wrestle because yeah.

01:20:55.170 --> 01:20:55.170
<v Speaker 2>Kind

01:20:55.229 --> 01:21:01.409
<v Speaker 3>Of like that, but the coolest part is at their hair is their hair, you know, whatever you want to call it is bioluminescent.

01:21:01.590 --> 01:21:02.010
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

01:21:02.011 --> 01:21:02.640
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

01:21:02.699 --> 01:21:04.710
<v Speaker 3>So it's all about luring prey.

01:21:05.220 --> 01:21:15.020
<v Speaker 3>Their eyes are enormous because they live at the bottom of the Mariana's trench, uh, and have be able to see with a tiny bit of bioluminescence that they produce.

01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:21.380
<v Speaker 3>Then they're basically like angler fish, where they just put out a tiny bit of light and anything that gets near enough, they snap up.

01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

01:21:21.789 --> 01:21:24.369
<v Speaker 2>So they're vegetarian or they're pescatarians.

01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:24.699
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:21:24.701 --> 01:21:27.880
<v Speaker 3>I think they're omnivores they'll eat literally anything with caloric intake.

01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:34.149
<v Speaker 3>And so this is what I was talking about earlier where they're soup, like they're stupidly thin, right.

01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:45.489
<v Speaker 3>I'm like way more slender than like an a, a human would be, but that's for, you know, what, what's the word for aerodynamics underwater hydrodynamic.

01:21:45.699 --> 01:21:45.970
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:21:45.970 --> 01:21:48.520
<v Speaker 2>They're trying to fit through spaces and move really fast.

01:21:48.579 --> 01:21:49.090
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:49.210
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:21:49.449 --> 01:21:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Also like they just need a crazy high caloric intake, right.

01:21:53.109 --> 01:21:56.590
<v Speaker 3>Just to maintain their, because they're their apex energy.

01:21:56.859 --> 01:21:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:21:57.670 --> 01:22:02.079
<v Speaker 3>And, you know, because, well, they love it because they live so deep in the ocean.

01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:04.119
<v Speaker 3>They have no contact with humanity.

01:22:05.170 --> 01:22:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Um, however, there are, you know, and in real life, there's known areas of the ocean where for some reason, fish don't swim.

01:22:14.050 --> 01:22:14.319
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:22:14.649 --> 01:22:16.810
<v Speaker 3>And to this day, it's unexplained.

01:22:16.899 --> 01:22:19.989
<v Speaker 3>Why fish don't go to these parts?

01:22:21.010 --> 01:22:29.289
<v Speaker 3>Um, or rather, you know, they do, but like, you know, whale migration patterns actively avoid certain areas of the ocean.

01:22:29.529 --> 01:22:30.250
<v Speaker 3>Fascinating.

01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:30.789
<v Speaker 3>And it's yeah.

01:22:30.791 --> 01:22:31.899
<v Speaker 3>It's inexplicable.

01:22:32.170 --> 01:22:32.829
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is.

01:22:32.831 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 3>It's just, we don't know because we, we don't know much about, we just exactly.

01:22:36.161 --> 01:22:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Don't know about it.

01:22:37.270 --> 01:22:59.319
<v Speaker 3>The, in this world, they explain it by, you know, there's a pod of sperm whales that the, the, the oceanographers are tracking and the, all of a sudden there's like, they, the, the hydrophones that are tracking like the whale calls and everything, they just hear horrific whale noises for a while.

01:22:59.409 --> 01:23:04.329
<v Speaker 3>And then they go dark and they don't hear them for, I think, eight months.

01:23:04.779 --> 01:23:04.779
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:23:05.140 --> 01:23:13.960
<v Speaker 3>And then all of a sudden the same, hydrophones pick up a, an exact replica of those whale noises at the bottom of the Marianas.

01:23:14.409 --> 01:23:14.710
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:23:15.130 --> 01:23:17.079
<v Speaker 2>My dad plays us tapes of that all the time.

01:23:17.979 --> 01:23:24.130
<v Speaker 3>Well, th that's the kicker, like this is an exact recording one-to-one of those whales.

01:23:24.220 --> 01:23:26.890
<v Speaker 3>They didn't add a note, not a note, not a single change.

01:23:26.979 --> 01:23:29.770
<v Speaker 3>And like, that means it wasn't reproduced.

01:23:30.220 --> 01:23:31.000
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't whales.

01:23:31.060 --> 01:23:32.260
<v Speaker 3>It couldn't have been right.

01:23:32.350 --> 01:23:37.569
<v Speaker 3>Because even if you're singing the same song, you're going to make some slight variations.

01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:39.670
<v Speaker 3>Cause it's you reproducing something, right.

01:23:39.789 --> 01:23:45.550
<v Speaker 3>This has to do with like, the way that these mermaids hunt is by mimicry.

01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:46.090
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:51.760
<v Speaker 3>They just put out the call of whatever and it just lowers things in lower.

01:23:52.210 --> 01:23:52.210
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:23:52.750 --> 01:23:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

01:23:53.320 --> 01:23:54.430
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a cool book.

01:23:54.699 --> 01:23:55.180
<v Speaker 2>The book

01:23:55.710 --> 01:23:59.649
<v Speaker 3>Open[inaudible] all these things happen within the very early part of the novel.

01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:22.920
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm not going to give away the ending or anything, but like right in the beginning, it opens on footage of this, uh, this ship that is being sent to hunt for mermaids as kind of like a fake documentary, not quite a fake documentary, it's just, it's more along the lines of like, when history channel used to hunt for Bigfoot, it's just like, oh, we're going to mermaid.

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.149
<v Speaker 3>And we're going monster hunting.

01:24:24.569 --> 01:24:24.569
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:28.439
<v Speaker 3>But they actually found him and they didn't expect that.

01:24:28.649 --> 01:24:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And mermaid swarmed the deck and just murder everybody.

01:24:31.770 --> 01:24:32.399
<v Speaker 3>Cool.

01:24:32.670 --> 01:24:39.989
<v Speaker 3>Because again, they're apex predators and they have never encountered human civilization.

01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:41.310
<v Speaker 3>They've encountered humans.

01:24:41.460 --> 01:24:51.390
<v Speaker 3>They just look at them as base, as like a fish inside a shell, you know, their shell being their boats and submarines.

01:24:51.449 --> 01:24:51.779
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:54.449
<v Speaker 3>And all they have to do is crack them open and get the meat.

01:24:54.630 --> 01:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

01:24:55.489 --> 01:24:56.090
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

01:24:56.180 --> 01:25:06.949
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it makes sense more so than any of the other versions that they would be apex predators and they would be, they would not be human, you know, humanoid and all of these other things.

01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:15.500
<v Speaker 3>Well, the one thing that I thought was so interesting was, so the whole book is about sending out a second voyage to find out like what happened to the first boat.

01:25:15.619 --> 01:25:19.970
<v Speaker 3>So, cause all they have is the recording, uh, of what happened.

01:25:20.090 --> 01:25:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Cause they had tape, they had cameras and everything cause a show.

01:25:22.400 --> 01:25:22.699
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:25:23.899 --> 01:25:25.670
<v Speaker 3>And then they had the vessel with no people.

01:25:25.970 --> 01:25:29.060
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people are raising concerns if like, what are we trying to prove?

01:25:29.329 --> 01:25:40.220
<v Speaker 3>Even if we find them that there's a Senti and race down there of like near human intelligence that, you know, is that going to make us like respect the oceans or something?

01:25:40.819 --> 01:25:42.590
<v Speaker 3>Well, just take a look at land.

01:25:42.591 --> 01:25:50.689
<v Speaker 3>We have, uh, chimpanzees, a humanoid creature of near human intelligence and you still say, you to your environment.

01:25:51.170 --> 01:25:51.170
<v Speaker 3>Right?

01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:52.130
<v Speaker 3>Nothing changes.

01:25:52.369 --> 01:25:56.300
<v Speaker 3>Dolphins are arguably, uh, very close to human intelligence.

01:25:56.301 --> 01:25:58.130
<v Speaker 3>If not as smart, depends on who you're asking.

01:25:58.189 --> 01:25:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Just they think in a different type of way.

01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:04.880
<v Speaker 3>But again, we have zero regard for their environment in the law, in the grand scheme of things.

01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:05.510
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:26:05.630 --> 01:26:15.500
<v Speaker 2>So at the end of the day, this whole cracking and mermaid series was a PSA to respect our oceans, which we do genuinely think we should do better at

01:26:15.739 --> 01:26:19.189
<v Speaker 3>I for one have personally stopped dumping all crude oil into the ocean.

01:26:20.420 --> 01:26:21.829
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot we can all do.

01:26:21.831 --> 01:26:23.300
<v Speaker 2>I'll I'll quote job.

01:26:23.539 --> 01:26:29.300
<v Speaker 2>I will quote uncle Asar from Jollyville and say, no one can do everything, but everyone can do something.

01:26:29.899 --> 01:26:30.500
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:30.979
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

01:26:31.819 --> 01:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>So in conclusion, I suppose, of, of mermaids here, it is very obvious to trace back some of these myths and deities and other belief systems around water gods and goddesses and local folklore, right?

01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:56.180
<v Speaker 2>We have, on one hand we have the symbolism of water, meaning fertility and life and hydration.

01:26:56.180 --> 01:27:05.779
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's a life force that's necessary and it's very understandable why some of those things around feminine energies and deities have, have come to be.

01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:11.020
<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, we have lonely sailors who are out at sea for months or years at a time.

01:27:11.020 --> 01:27:13.750
<v Speaker 2>And listen, I've had a family member, that's sat a sea for a long time.

01:27:13.930 --> 01:27:15.489
<v Speaker 2>Start to crack a little bit, right?

01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:16.449
<v Speaker 2>Multiple family members.

01:27:16.451 --> 01:27:18.909
<v Speaker 2>He started to crack a little bit at potentially when you're all by yourself.

01:27:19.180 --> 01:27:30.159
<v Speaker 2>But even if you're on a ship with people and you know what, maybe you start to, to think that maybe it starts by you just fantasizing that some of the seals are mermaids and then maybe it turns into actually hallucinating.

01:27:30.430 --> 01:27:30.729
<v Speaker 2>Right?

01:27:30.730 --> 01:27:35.890
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, I'm not defending any colonizers here, but I'm saying, well, we can understand, right.

01:27:36.220 --> 01:27:49.899
<v Speaker 2>While why being out at the sea, almost like being on another planet for so long, you could start to have, uh, stories come up and it kind of reiterate these ancient mythologies and belief systems they've become perpetuated over the years because of that.

01:27:50.289 --> 01:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And then again with Disney and then again with this and that, right?

01:27:52.961 --> 01:27:57.970
<v Speaker 2>So it becomes an ongoing fascination for a different generation.

01:27:58.859 --> 01:27:59.130
<v Speaker 2>If

01:27:59.130 --> 01:28:00.840
<v Speaker 3>The little mermaid had never come out.

01:28:01.140 --> 01:28:01.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:28:02.100 --> 01:28:04.109
<v Speaker 3>We would respect the oceans to this day.

01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:08.729
<v Speaker 2>Still up mermaids have nothing to do with our disrespect of the ocean.

01:28:09.630 --> 01:28:11.460
<v Speaker 3>If we were still terrified of the sea,

01:28:12.390 --> 01:28:14.310
<v Speaker 2>I think we should be terrified of the sea.

01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:15.479
<v Speaker 2>We don't know what's down there.

01:28:15.510 --> 01:28:18.420
<v Speaker 2>We're not scared enough that we're not scared enough of anything.

01:28:18.449 --> 01:28:19.739
<v Speaker 2>We are so awful.

01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:20.909
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

01:28:20.911 --> 01:28:30.029
<v Speaker 3>So we need a very large apex predator, Godzilla, Godzilla, Godzilla, aquatic predator.

01:28:30.030 --> 01:28:31.439
<v Speaker 3>Tactically comes from the ocean.

01:28:31.470 --> 01:28:32.069
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

01:28:32.819 --> 01:28:33.630
<v Speaker 2>I've seen the movies.

01:28:33.689 --> 01:28:34.090
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

01:28:35.130 --> 01:28:36.149
<v Speaker 2>Well thank you guys.

01:28:36.210 --> 01:28:38.489
<v Speaker 2>So, so much for being here.

01:28:38.490 --> 01:28:40.859
<v Speaker 2>This was, this was such a fun one for me.

01:28:40.860 --> 01:28:42.779
<v Speaker 2>I really love mermaids.

01:28:42.989 --> 01:28:47.310
<v Speaker 2>And we've had so much fun researching this and putting this all together and now presenting it to you.

01:28:48.090 --> 01:28:52.289
<v Speaker 2>So until next time stay safe, stay spooky and we'll see you soon.

01:28:52.649 --> 01:28:52.649
<v Speaker 2>Bye.

01:28:53.130 --> 01:28:53.130
<v Speaker 2>Nice.