A Host More Than a Guest

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Speaker 1: Hey, Caitlyn.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't even look at your face without cracking up. I'm so excited to talk to you. I've seen you in passing. You've been harassing me about doing a podcast. I've been harassing you, but more people. The people have been asking for this.

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Speaker 3: The people have been harassing the both of us for a pod. And we apologize everybody out there, but give us a break.

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Speaker 1: We've been a little bit busy.

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Speaker 3: Someone has been moving to Brooklyn out of the city, and I'm very upset about it, actually, to be quite honest with you, because now we're not three blocks apart, so her to come over here now she's going to get on two trains.

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Speaker 1: And I've been a little busy doing television and coaching.

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Speaker 3: So but but here we are on a Monday after the US Open. I am well and truly hungover, and for a good reason, and the.

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Speaker 1: Fact that was a bear over three weeks of.

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Speaker 3: Television with the hours we were doing, we got caught in a flood and two am, two thirty am finishes back at the courts in the morning. Coaching and of course culminated for me yesterday and being a part of watching my one of my best friends and my old doubles partner win another Grand Slam title in Samsos.

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Speaker 4: That is an incredible, incredible, incredible three weeks.

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Speaker 1: I mean I remember having dinner with you both maybe two.

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Speaker 4: And a half three weeks ago, and I was thinking to myself, it has been a decade since Sam won her singles Grand Slam here and to watch, and sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Since her first ever Grand Slam title at the US Open in doubles with Lisa Raymonds.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely incredible, Yeah, absolutely incredible, culminating yesterday in a three set barn Burner.

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Speaker 1: Romans had an incredible tournament.

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Speaker 4: I was so so so, I mean, I you know, I had tears in my eyes watching it, and I remember just texting you the minute by minute and you didn't respond one time, which you know, fair enough.

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Speaker 3: Which is a good thing because that would mean I was actually doing my job and pretending that you didn't exist, you know, for at least a couple of hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yeah, it was, it was. I did have tears in my eyes after the match as well.

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Speaker 3: I was just so pleasantly overwhelmingly pleased for someone like Sam and Jean Shoa, who hasn't been home all year because of you know, some issues with the CTA Chinese Tennis Federation, and they wanted her to play in some Asian games. She wanted to play, you know, the Grand Slams. Anyway, typical sort of random stuff from the Chinese Tennis Association. But so she hasn't been home all year. Sam hasn't been home now for four months. She's been talking to her now fourteen month old daughter on FaceTime every single day and night for those four months, to the point that Eve, her daughter thinks that Mama is the phone. So whenever she sees the phone, she says, says mama. So the good thing about all that talking to her on the phone is that I would, you know, preemptibly jump into any conversation and say.

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Speaker 4: Nina nine, you're Pregraminarily I've learned with my own son.

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Speaker 1: You just got to get in there and get in the favorite ant.

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Speaker 4: That's right, is the perfect role for you, because you're a total miniac and you have good ant energy.

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Speaker 1: She did wake up one morning and said Nana. No, and I think that's you. She said, Banana, She said nana.

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Speaker 3: And so my life was complete when Ebe woke up and said nine and now there you go, and now Sam wins.

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Speaker 1: The years open. So I'm just so pleased for us. Caitlin, she's been through so much over the last.

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Speaker 3: Couple of years, with so many injuries and the pandemic and not wanting to travel and stayed home because of the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Last year. She was you know, she's been contemplating.

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Speaker 3: Retiring for a while, and now this has given her an impotence to say why not.

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Speaker 1: She went Cincinnati was Jean Shue. They weren't even supposed to play in the summer.

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Speaker 3: Jangshui was supposed to play with ninas or Janovich, who played with Novaka at the Olympics mixed and because she Joan Hue thought Sam was already playing with somebody else and that wasn't the case. So Sam kind of called Shway and was like, listen, I'm not playing with anyone else. Please like, call Nina and just ask her please. So thank you Nina so Janovitch, who actually gracefully let Jean Shui play with Sam and they are undefeated since coming back together.

00:04:21
Speaker 1: So that's insane. And is this your first grand Sam as a coach? Yeah, it is mine. Well done. Hopefully more to come, so we'll add that to your total. I feel like that's fair.

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Speaker 4: You got six between six plus one coach six plus one exactly.

00:04:37
Speaker 1: The USTA is a really nice thing.

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Speaker 3: Actually, they give the winning coaches of the team's a small replica trophy just says, you know, doubles coach winning other doubles.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to USCA, well done, I shout out to the USTA. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to hear about your evening was very very We went straight out of the courts.

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Speaker 3: We had a little celebration in the courts of the USTA gives you some drinks and some charcuterie, and we said sit around and all, you know, reminisce about the match.

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Speaker 1: And then we all went off to.

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Speaker 3: A Chinese restaurant in Queens Sure flushing, as you do presume Flushings, Yeah, flushing. I don't know where, what the name of the restaurant is. I apologize, but Janshue had set it all up and so we went there and celebrated over a big lazy Susan Chinese food.

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Speaker 4: I can speak from some authority living in China that nobody does celebration meals like the Chinese do with the lazy Susans. When I was living in China, they put the liquor bottle on the lazy susan and they would put a pack of cigarettes in front of each person at the tea. Wow, I'm assuming that was not part of your so there was no smoking, but they just really enjoy a giant celebratory meal. There was a lot of celebratory meal and having somebody like joy to order.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like just whatever you want. She would pass around. We would say do spicy.

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Speaker 3: She's oh no, no, this is like Australian Chinese. You okay with this one because she knows. Yeah, so Jean Shui, who could not be the She's possibly the nicest nicest person I've ever met.

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Speaker 1: So again I was super pleased with her. And so we had a nice meal and then and then we came back.

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Speaker 3: To the city, Sam and I and the whole gang and actually Sam and myself and mel Amozzolo who's Sam's physio, and Dylan Olcott and a bunch of us.

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Speaker 1: All legend legend wheelchair tennis Golden Slam winner and Groot as well.

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Speaker 4: So there's I know, two Golden slams, two Golden slams, all for majors plus a gold medal. Incredible, incredible, amazing and as Dylan friends, we're all, yeah, yeah, of course and it actually seems like a real good time trailie.

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Speaker 1: His instagram is the must follow.

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Speaker 3: Dylan said when he came over, when he saw Sam, he's like, yeah, bloody.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, what a great day for Australia. And he's like, you know, Daniel Ricardo.

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Speaker 3: Won the F one And actually, when Daniel won the F one race, I said to Sam, he just won. This is unbelievably, hasn't won for years and years, And I said, this.

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Speaker 1: Is a good omen for frustrated it is, yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 3: And then Dylan won and Dylan said, yeah, not bad for a couple of kids from Northcote. Because they both actually live in the same little city in Melbourne, in Northcote, So Dylan and Sam both they're not from there originally but they now live there. So they had a little bit of a and you.

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Speaker 1: Said he was at the bar. Yeah, you guys found yourself. Well, it's not far from the hotel that they're staying.

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Speaker 3: It obviously lived downtown, but I went up to the hotel area, so we walked to just a bar that Sam had gone to after her last victory in singles. She went to this bar called Snaffoo wow On. I think it's forty seventh in les, and.

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Speaker 1: It was just, you know, fun, very a bar you would never go to if you lived in New York. I would never go to a bar in midtown generally ever.

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Speaker 4: But fun fact I guess is that if you want to catch a Grand Slam winner.

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Speaker 1: Just hang around the bars in the near the hotels. Probably run into one, probably do.

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Speaker 3: So we met up there and we had a few drinks there, so I wasn't such a late night because you know, the one thing you forget as at you know, as a former player, you're very exhausted after you've won. You're just you're tired. Yes, of course you want to celebrate and have a drink, but it is, it is exhausting. And you know, the great thing is Sam said, you know, I never got to do the little charcuterie and the celebration at the courts.

00:08:04
Speaker 1: She's like, when I won in twenty eleven, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Get to do all of that because they're getting pulled from pillar to post with press. I mean, you're talking our friend kroln Mano, who does work for CNN Sports. She was still at the courts waiting for Emma at eleven eleven ish pm and the match finished at.

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Speaker 1: Fist like six six thirty or something.

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Speaker 3: So you can imagine from that moment you hours and hours of press hours an hour.

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Speaker 4: And also if you look at to this morning with the men you know these, Medvedev was on the morning program starting at seven eighty, it was just like brutal, brutal slug to get through press. I mean it's great, it's a great moment obviously, but yeah, to your point, you're tired, so you didn't Taiwan on completely, No.

00:08:52
Speaker 1: But in fact you are just to get the fact street however, I am a little hungover yet well you deserve it.

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Speaker 4: I am very very happy and obviously through to see you you getting some well deserved praise on the TV broadcast, not checking your phone, and you know, getting your first Grand Slam of zoo Coat.

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Speaker 3: I didn't actually think about that at all until you said it, so thank you. Anyway, enough about me and enough about Sam like so much discuss, Let's get into the tournament.

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Speaker 4: For my part, Racket did twelve things we launched a TV show, we did a live event, we did four activations, six brand events, and pretty much everybody by yesterday felt like Daniel Medvedev did when he did the dead.

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Speaker 1: Fish flop on the court. Just, oh my god, we are done. Should we start there? Should we start with the entire term?

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Speaker 4: Should we start with women's I don't start with the fact that favorite matches.

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to say? So many things to talk about? And I made you shut.

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Speaker 4: Up when I first got here so that we could tape it. Also, I have no idea what you have been thinking about. Oh you're going to hear it here for the first time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I first of all, I want to go back to qualifying and how effing hot it was that week, okay, And so the fact that Emma got through three matches there in the heat, was able to get herself into the main draw for the first time. You know, she got a wild card at Wimbledon, so this was a way for her to get through the tournament.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, she in the main draw.

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Speaker 3: You're always excited as a qualifier. Yes, you've just qualified for your main draw. And prior to the tournament started, her goal was to make the qualifying of Australian Open.

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Speaker 1: That was her goal.

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Speaker 3: This is okay, nuts, So when you think about what happened three weeks later, it's remarkable. But you know, her walk, I mean, her journey through the tournament was unbelievable. I mean she she didn't have anywhere near the difficulty of draw that Layla Fernandez had.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's just a fist straight out of fact.

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Speaker 4: You look at the seatings, Sarah Suerber's great player season, Blinda Bencha called medalist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Blinda was probably the first time that she walked on the court thinking okay, now we'll see where the test is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Zachary, you know great players, but you know Leila Fernandez had three of the top five seeds.

00:11:04
Speaker 1: Yeap, just boom, boom boom. I mean Layla's run through the tournament.

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Speaker 3: Not only that, but even in her first round she played a qualifier but on a Conye who was the number one US and Conye's agreed she was.

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Speaker 1: A number one seed and she actually her ranking was eighty.

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Speaker 3: In the world as qualifying started because she'd had such a good run up to the US Open, so she really shouldn't even been in qualities, but because of the cutoff, she was still in the qualities. So for her to beat someone like the won three matches and then comes in and has played very well at the US Open to beat her in the first round, that was already like wow, okay, you know, and then and then subsequently her run through the tournament, beating the likes of Naomi and Arena Saline, Arena Sablinca and Kerba and all three setters, all just knock down, drag out fates.

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Speaker 4: I do have to say, though, and tell me you can feel free to call me an asshole, because again, she's a Canadian, a pump, she's a lefty. It's so hard not to get excited about her. Her run reminded me a lot about the way we watch Coco, where there's some great defensive play, some great fight, some great spirit, but the crowd helps a lot. Yeah, you know, and I don't know that this girl doesn't lose two and two to all of those players that you just listed.

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Speaker 1: On any other day.

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Speaker 4: And it's not to take a single thing away from her incredible effort as a Canadian, as a Montrealer, super super proud, but just.

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Speaker 1: From a sheer tennis perspective.

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Speaker 4: I looked at that final and said, Oh, Emma's gonna have a cake walk just because her level is so much higher.

00:12:33
Speaker 1: Oh, and we've got a guest coming into the studio. Sam, Come on up. We just had an we've just had a we've just had a Grand Slam winner. We just had a multiple Grand slam winner.

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Speaker 3: Walk into the apartment and we can just add her into our podcast live here at the Renice Stubbs apartment.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's how consent works. Oh really, well, we'll just go on the podcast. Do you want to be on our podcast?

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Speaker 3: That's what's happening, because that's what we're doing. She's brought me presents, she's brought me rackets, which are definitely going to be going to Caitlyn.

00:13:10
Speaker 4: Oh great, I'm going to be going to the King's County, Tennessee for the might have been taking.

00:13:13
Speaker 1: The air conditioning on for you, Sam, because I know you're hot. I don't know why. No, probably not. It's very hot. Sam is going to go wash your hands.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So while we're wait for Sam, what do you think about that? Is that incredibly controversial?

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Speaker 1: I don't mean it in a bad Way. It's great, the new star is super, super pumped.

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Speaker 4: But I also thought, oh well, this is a real evidence of crowd help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that I said in the final is it'll be interesting to see how how the crowd.

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Speaker 1: Cheer because they've been so for both of these young players.

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Speaker 3: It is so fun to go for an underdog, and how do you root for someone who's younger than the one you're rooting for, right, So you've got a nineteen year old and eighteen year old And so I was, but the crowd was actually a lot more favorable.

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Speaker 1: To Layla, even walking onto the court and through the match when no I could hear it.

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Speaker 3: I was very interested in that when they walked on the court and I thought, okay, Laila's getting more support, and then throughout the match, Leila definitely got more support, clearly because she was losing as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the crowd likes a long match. But I also think the New York crowd, and maybe you could.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Canadian as well.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of although you know, the border hasn't been opened very long, so I don't know how many true Canadians have found their way down here and one of the few.

00:14:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. You should know. I should know.

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Speaker 4: I should have a counter and get the news letter when a new one crosses the border. But I do think the crowd likes to feel its own influence. I think the crowd, especially in New York, especially Boozy oh yeah, likes to feel like they can control the match, or at least be a factor.

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Speaker 1: You said something really interesting in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Andrea Pekovich, we were having a drink on her birthday a couple of nights ago. She was like, Whna's commentary tonight was exceptionally good because she said, the crowd has just become my factor.

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Speaker 1: The third player has shown up to the court, which is the crowd.

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Speaker 3: Well, I actually said, if you know you had been watching my commentary, I was that drinking, I said, I said, the best player at the USO and has now arrived the crowd. Yes, And I said that influenced every single one of her matches, There's no question. And they almost brought it back in the final. If she'd broken served there at five three, it would have been really interesting to see how she could have turned it around, because Emma really was starting to get a little bit tight, which completely understand it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of people had a lot of negative stuff to say about that medical time out. But I should note Andy Raddick, who's been one of the best Twitter commentators.

00:15:27
Speaker 1: This is the best tournament.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's great in any context, but he's been really active on Twitter.

00:15:31
Speaker 1: Just so you know.

00:15:31
Speaker 3: In the background, Sam is taking out the left over Greek food that I ordered and reheating it.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead. I mean, she's a Grandsame champion.

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Speaker 3: Wire was also maybe slightly hungover a little bit. I feel worse after that cab right than I. Okay, she feels worse after the cabrite.

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Speaker 4: Andy Radick was saying, Look, I wish we had more people on the broadcast explaining what this meant. Because when there is blood on the court, especially because an athlete, because of their heart rate and because of the fact.

00:16:00
Speaker 1: That they're sweating, bleeds more than average.

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Speaker 4: Well, if there's blood on the court, the clay stops instantaneously and nothing can be done about it.

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Speaker 1: It's not a medical time out.

00:16:09
Speaker 4: It's not a player's option to say, hey, I need to get patched up. Play stops. It's like a heavyweight titled boxing fight, the ref calls it, they've patched the player up, and the player sent back on their way. So I just want to clear that up in case anybody was thinking that Layla was right in being angry about that. There's no just like last year's default of Nova Chocob, the rules.

00:16:29
Speaker 1: Are the rules.

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Speaker 4: You hit a player, an ump a ball, kid deef, somebody's bleeding, you stop.

00:16:35
Speaker 1: Play, you patch them up, you move on.

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Speaker 4: And I do think you know, in that case, yeah, maybe Laila was going to come back, but the crowd.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get into it because it didn't end up being an issue.

00:16:44
Speaker 3: Right, well, yeah, I mean in the end, yeah, I mean, Laila maybe didn't know the rule there, but yeah, she absolutely needed to clearly.

00:16:52
Speaker 1: Get her leg typed up.

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Speaker 3: I mean you saw it actually even in the Torphy presentation, it actually bled through the type.

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Speaker 1: So it's bleeding pretty pretty profusely anyway. So yeah, so I don't think that that was that was not a factor.

00:17:06
Speaker 3: And I hope no one ever even remotely thinks that Emma would do anything like that because.

00:17:10
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, listen, these kids are too inexperienced to work the system. Yeah, you exactly. I haven't learned a bit. Well, I don't know, junior.

00:17:17
Speaker 3: Time, Sam is putting your finger on because that is not true. Because there are some players you.

00:17:23
Speaker 1: Oster pinker.

00:17:25
Speaker 3: There's plenty of players that are in their teams that have done a little ropy dough, a little on the court.

00:17:31
Speaker 1: But I would put would not put Emma in that category.

00:17:34
Speaker 4: Well as Slan Stevens famously says about in her case, Juliet putin saber.

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Speaker 1: But I think it can can be a theme of this tournament. If it's not one scam, it's another exactly well, there was no scamming going on, but there was no scamming on in here.

00:17:49
Speaker 4: It does bring up something I want to address, which is because because I don't I don't know how you feel about this. So much was made about so little was made about Zvere's very credible the accusations against him of domestic valence. Though I was really happy to see that, Mary Carillo obviously.

00:18:05
Speaker 1: Made multiple references to it.

00:18:07
Speaker 4: ESPN finally brought it up when he made the Semis, which was great to see.

00:18:10
Speaker 1: It's a part of the story.

00:18:13
Speaker 4: But instead of that being a theme, the toilet get of Steph Titzi pass became a theme.

00:18:19
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

00:18:19
Speaker 4: And you know, is that one scam or another? I don't know, it's within the rules. Is he getting coaching from his dad on the phone? No evidence that he is, but hope to imagine that that's not a possibility.

00:18:30
Speaker 1: What did you make of that?

00:18:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think the bottom line is he's stretched every rule. And it's a rule that is he's allowed to go to the bathroom, you know, and there's no time limit on the bathroom stops.

00:18:41
Speaker 1: And then that's just a problem with the tennis.

00:18:43
Speaker 3: You know, governments, they need to figure out something a little bit better, particularly on Arthur Ash where there's a toilet literally outside the door, so as soon as you leave the stadium, there's a toilet right there. So if you technically have to change your outfit or go to the bathroom, you should literally be taking two minutes maybe, you know, if you walk quickly or run off the court and run back on. And so him taking his bag going to the locker room, I mean, that's taking eight nine minutes.

00:19:08
Speaker 1: Is just bullshit. But do you think that it is? I mean, is he taking his phone? Is he doing all that? I don't know. We don't have evidence of that, So I'm not going to accuse him that, but but I.

00:19:16
Speaker 3: Think the broader picture is Tennis needs to do a better job, particularly for television. I can tell you my producer in my years like saying very unkind things because he's like, what are we going to? What do we do now for eight minutes of live television while you're like, off in a bathroom, we don't and you know, and then Patrick Moore Tiger, who says, well, he's going in there basically find himself or what.

00:19:37
Speaker 1: I'm like, No, that's not the rule. The rule is you.

00:19:40
Speaker 3: Got to go to the toilet or you've got to change your clothes. You don't go in there and have a meditation moment.

00:19:45
Speaker 1: But what if he's Sam just sugar head, because that's just know that he's not pooping. There's just no chance. Listen, I just moved to Brooklyn. We have two bathrooms now because everyone pooped.

00:20:05
Speaker 4: And you're seeing who's like, oh my god, I'm pooping constantly.

00:20:08
Speaker 1: Well, he lefted Andrea's match.

00:20:10
Speaker 4: The other day we were watching with Mary Carillo and I said, Peter, what do you think about this?

00:20:14
Speaker 1: How's it? You know, isn't so fun to shoot this match up close, and he said, I have to poop.

00:20:18
Speaker 4: Every time I've taken him to her match, he has to poop and it takes thirty minutes.

00:20:21
Speaker 1: Anyway, my point is it could happen. I can question bold suggestion. Should we fan should we film in the toilets?

00:20:30
Speaker 4: No?

00:20:30
Speaker 1: Should we ban.

00:20:33
Speaker 4: Bathroom breaks but allow on coaching so then people don't have to go to the bathroom to find themselves, or maybe limit the amount of time so you just got to get it done really quack quick. But if you're trying to find yourself, maybe you just have a coach, which is way better than for TV and such a great well for people who are watching tennis and wanting to understand more about what they're watching.

00:20:53
Speaker 3: Television would love to interview the play that's still sitting out there for eight minutes.

00:20:57
Speaker 1: They would they just they would love that.

00:20:59
Speaker 3: They've said that to be great, if we could interview the player now they're sitting out there by yourselves for eight minutes. You know, if this were Patrick Horitaglus Ultimontennaw, they could What do you think of that?

00:21:08
Speaker 5: I mean, that's ridiculous because then that that person's being disadvantaged.

00:21:11
Speaker 1: Twice, okay, from the nose player and make them stop and take away their concentration. All right, so from the nosebleeds. But I understand why she's saying that.

00:21:20
Speaker 3: Or you you have if you want to leave the court, you have to be interviewed on the way back.

00:21:26
Speaker 1: But that doesn't take it, so it stops even longer.

00:21:29
Speaker 4: Well, no, so then it goes from okay, what if the person who doesn't go to the bathroom gets to visit with their coach.

00:21:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think one thing that they could help is if they allow coaches to be able to their player to walk over their coach or their coach come on to the court and just have a chat with them during that time. And some may use it some way, not like some players. And there's been times where I've said no to coaching on the court. There's times where I want to go on the court. There's times my player wants me out there. Sometimes my player doesn't.

00:21:56
Speaker 1: Want me out there. But then you're leaving it up to the player.

00:21:58
Speaker 3: Or the coach decide if they want to be able to do it. So it might help that they that they do that, But the blanket rule needs to change and they need to have a specific amount of time depending on what court you're on and how far it is to the bat, how far it is from the bathroom, And they can do that quite easily with a player saying.

00:22:15
Speaker 1: What is it?

00:22:16
Speaker 3: What is a specific time on this particular court that is reasonable?

00:22:21
Speaker 1: And you know there is what would you say this, Sam.

00:22:25
Speaker 3: Maybe a couple of outside courts that you need maybe an extra minute or two to get to a bathroom, whereas at Arthur Ash it should be three minutes maximum for sure.

00:22:33
Speaker 5: Outside courts it does take longer because there's no toilets always nearby for sure.

00:22:38
Speaker 3: So you could do that, though the a top could say, okay, if you're on court X to why you have you can have one four.

00:22:45
Speaker 1: Minute break, but that's maximum.

00:22:48
Speaker 3: And if you're not back, and here's the bottom line, if you are not back in this accredited time, you will be deducted to a point for every single minute you're late.

00:22:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's in every mindy.

00:22:58
Speaker 3: And you boom and you know, so these players walking to the bathroom, first of all, Yeah, that's what pisses me off.

00:23:04
Speaker 1: I walking off, walking back on I'm like one.

00:23:08
Speaker 3: Of the things about Leila Fernandez. That impressed me so much. When she played Cerber, she lost the one of the sets, a second set, and she ran off the court and ran back onto the court with her full kid So she changed out of her entire gear in two minutes.

00:23:21
Speaker 1: But she ran off and ran back on, and I'm like, that's how you change.

00:23:25
Speaker 4: Well. It also sends a cool message to your opponent, like I'm still in this, Like I don't think for one second, I'm.

00:23:30
Speaker 1: Like, you know, going away.

00:23:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like when you're jumping around on the baseline after you know the point, like a long point.

00:23:36
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like you send the bass.

00:23:37
Speaker 4: Okay, so we've covered bathroom gate, we've covered the women's dra Do you just going back really quick to the women? Do you feel like Maria Sachari and Arena Sabalanka house favorites?

00:23:50
Speaker 1: That's just just brew.

00:23:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that hurts I think I don't know who it hurts more, maybe like Sabolenka, because you know, she went through that period of ever getting past the quarters and now she's kind of stuck in the sam.

00:24:03
Speaker 1: I feel like this was kind of her tournament.

00:24:05
Speaker 4: I adore her and the way she plays, for sure, balls out tennis too, and again the crowd factor was definitely affected. I don't think she loses that match under almost any other probably not anywhere else, but on Arthur Pro a heavily prosen crowd, and I felt for her. They were cheering for double faults, which, to be just, it's absolutely abhorrent the.

00:24:27
Speaker 1: Idea that you would ever cheer for somebody's misfortune.

00:24:30
Speaker 4: Always always always apploied and good play, that's you know, just and I mean that Junior's to the recreational too.

00:24:35
Speaker 1: Pros.

00:24:36
Speaker 4: Just never find yourself applauding when something goes wrong for a player.

00:24:40
Speaker 1: It's funny, so many other options to cheer.

00:24:42
Speaker 3: Because Sam is sitting here reminded me yesterday there was a couple of double faults where the opponents double folded and there was not a peep out of it.

00:24:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not a peep. That was not the case down the other end. I remember, and I'm going to put that out there.

00:24:55
Speaker 3: And you know, you have any I don't know if any of the any you know, the team or whatever, but if you bring people along, because sometimes it's the people behind you you're bringing that they've given tickets.

00:25:05
Speaker 1: To, Like you got to be the person's standing.

00:25:06
Speaker 3: I would have stood out and said we we don't and I will not collect.

00:25:11
Speaker 1: It's just not okay.

00:25:12
Speaker 3: I think the only time you would ever do it ever is to maybe give your team match point and then you and you react to not like, yeah, we won the point. You would react like okay, let's go next. No, I would be talking about okay, it's match point. That's been the match point. But I would never applaud that. So I just put that out to every team.

00:25:29
Speaker 1: Let's just tennis. E want to hear it. And if the crowd does it, that's not your fault.

00:25:33
Speaker 4: No it's not, but it's but it's also you guys yesterday were playing a very pro American and it was an all American team team.

00:25:41
Speaker 1: The crowd can do whatever they want, Yeah, paid money to be there. They can cheer and scream and.

00:25:45
Speaker 3: Whoever they want to win whatever, but your player's box and the people that you are bringing into.

00:25:50
Speaker 1: The stadium, you have to say that's not okay. Well I'm glad and that did not happen.

00:25:55
Speaker 3: On my end, and because I would have been like, no, no, no, it's not acceptable.

00:25:59
Speaker 4: So well, I also feel like there's an Australian joy and competition that I was talking with somebody last night about Novak because now we should talk about men and the way that he This person I was speaking to was an Eastern European who said that they related to Novak's emotion, his anger, his you.

00:26:23
Speaker 1: Know, some of the many chief funny shoulder and you know, and I.

00:26:28
Speaker 4: Was sort of thinking about it, and I was like, man tennis for me, you know, And granted it didn't go very far, but it's such a joyous thing that it's it's so hard to relate to players who play from a place of anger. That's just like from the bottom line, like, you know, it's so much more fun to watch a joyous run, which is why it was so fun to watch Emma Rodacon and win.

00:26:46
Speaker 1: She seems so well and Leila, both of them.

00:26:48
Speaker 3: I mean, even in the final and that women's final, there were a couple of times where Emma would win a great point and Layla would smile y, you know, walking to the chief.

00:26:58
Speaker 1: I mean, it was so amazing to watch these kids. Are you going to do laundry, Samantha? Okay, that's what happens. That's why she's coming here. Let's do laundry. Oh, you know, the card is downstairs. I'm like, I think it is. It doesn't you're working. Look for the cloud. I look for the card. It might be in the pocket of my sweatpants on the bed. Sam. I have to say, you know, I'm not a huge I would make Sam.

00:27:22
Speaker 3: Put my stuff, which is also in the laundry, in the dryer, but I'm afraid she'll like dry this stuff.

00:27:26
Speaker 1: I don't want to dry.

00:27:27
Speaker 4: So is she?

00:27:29
Speaker 1: No, you are a good laundry girl. You are. I've got three buckets in there somewhere. She not accomplished a laundry as much as she isn't. No, she's a very good laundry person. Okay, great, Well, but she doesn't know what I don't want to Sure, sure she doesn't know.

00:27:44
Speaker 4: Okay, Men's final Novak. If there was going to be a turd in the punch bowl, Wow, Danielle Medvedev is the turd. Yeah, I mean I say that lovingly.

00:27:55
Speaker 1: I love this gate. We put him on the cover of it. She number thirteen. Your photo yesterday he was middle finger up.

00:28:00
Speaker 4: Well, he just had again crowd. The crowd was trying to be a factor, and he shut it down. They were cheering his uple faults at the end. They were trying to will Novak back into it. They finally decided after years and years that they liked him because they wanted to see history.

00:28:13
Speaker 1: Did they want to see history or did they want to see a better match? It could be either, could be, you know, I think it was probably along the lines.

00:28:19
Speaker 6: I don't know.

00:28:19
Speaker 1: We had I think it was a comebug.

00:28:21
Speaker 4: We had a lot of people on the ground taking a lot of pictures of people in Serbian flags and face paint, and I think there was a very very very vocal you know, pro Novack, but also yeah, the crowd likes when matches go to five sets. The crowd likes when it appears to be a battle. You know, sometimes their partisanship can change even within the scope of a match. It would have been it was nice, frankly to see the crowd get behind Novak. Yeah, and kind of unequivocally yeah, I didn't like that. Sometimes it came at the expensive Denilamnavitev only in the sense that they were applauding double faults and they were plotting errors there.

00:28:52
Speaker 3: At the end.

00:28:52
Speaker 1: I so he would have flipped a bird to them.

00:28:56
Speaker 3: I do hope that the crowds they want because this is kind of why we love New York, right, they don't give a fuck that they wouldn't be so parochial when when things go wrong like a dull fole or just a horrible miss or something, and they just but you know, it's what makes this tournament so special to win because you do have to fight through a lot of adversity sometimes and a lot of it comes with having to fight against the crowd.

00:29:19
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I said to.

00:29:20
Speaker 3: Sam and Joan Hue so that I was like, look, the crowd's not going to be on your side, so you're going to have to really that walk on the court knowing that you're going to be it's going to be really loud and really parochial, and none of it's going to be for you who xcept us And you know, Jean Shui, I don't.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: Worry about Sam because Sam has dealt with that.

00:29:36
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously that final against Serena was you know, that was a memorable moment for her not to get too carried away with the crowd being very procurly against her. But Jean Shui is quite emotional, so she was affected a few times by it.

00:29:49
Speaker 1: But you know, those are the factors that you have to factor in here at the Years Open. And it's not like that it's great. It's all the French Open can be.

00:29:56
Speaker 3: If it's a French if you're playing someone French, it's not fun us And in England they're a little bit more respectful and.

00:30:03
Speaker 1: Same in Australia.

00:30:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seems so much more knowledgeable about tennis in those other places in general, in tournaments like Indian, Wales and rom that it feels like, you know, you'll get more of the kind of tennis fans that we are or I am, which is like you're looking for a good match, you're, oh, well, this is one of my favorite players because I like their personality. You know, we're as knowledgeable as we want to give myself that much credit, but yeah, sure knowledgeable now.

00:30:25
Speaker 3: But let's so we we had obviously, I think one of the great things about this tournament was, and we mentioned a few times yesterday on the ESPN said we didn't have a couple of the biggest names obviously Serena and Roger and Rafa and even Venus and names that We've gotten so used to and loving having here at the US Open. But it was remarkable. How remarkable this tournament, even without the story.

00:30:49
Speaker 1: Better and I think it was better.

00:30:51
Speaker 3: The one thing that's to be able to listen to be honest, I want them there. I always want these cuss They've given so much to this sport. Yeah, they've made this sport the level that it is now, the money that's there because of their names and you know, just everything about them and even Naomi losing early. I mean, these are they transcend the sport. But what the great thing that this showed me this tournament is that in the end, like everybody always says, nobody is bigger than the sport. Yeah, and we saw that over the last two weeks. And we could never have predicted an eighteen and nineteen year old in a final, a qualifier for the first time winning the tournament.

00:31:26
Speaker 1: I think we could.

00:31:26
Speaker 3: And can we talk about the fact that this girl had a panic attack at Wimbledon Yeah, no kidding and got ripped by people like dickhead Piers More for being a quitter.

00:31:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this happens to people.

00:31:37
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the fact that I had attack once, I can't imagine having on TV in front of millions of people one of the worst feelings if you've never had one.

00:31:44
Speaker 1: It feels like you're going to die, is exploding out of your chest. It's terrible. Eighteen.

00:31:48
Speaker 4: You think she's going to just recover like that, Well, hello, the very next Grand Slam she wins.

00:31:53
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a remarkable tomorrow.

00:31:55
Speaker 3: Even Layla Fernandez and I saw that girl have such yips on her serve at the start of this year actually playing a doubles match against Sam.

00:32:01
Speaker 1: I just thought, how does someone come back from that? Because that is a mental little chip that you have when you get the yips on your serve and the toss and so to.

00:32:10
Speaker 3: See the maturation of both of them over the last like six months handle mental, those are mental sort.

00:32:17
Speaker 1: Of yeah, those are hurdles that Those are hurdles that are tough to get over.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: To see them both be in the final and play the way they did in the final, they both played really well well. I think Lade could have played a little better, but overall it was quite a unique.

00:32:31
Speaker 4: I don't know, and I think even looking at somebody like Corlos Alcoraz, who had a great run, one of a tournament in umag and Croatia with kind of like just tearing everybody and backing it up with a really strong run before he had to withdraw. You know, we had Brooksby gents and Brooksby you know what the hell Raleo Pelka getting in trouble for busting out of Friedrich Kunath issue number nine cover painter unarthurized bag and getting a fine because he's got an art gallery on his sleeve. Like it was cool, I think, frankly to your point, I love those names. Obviously, they've given the sport the amplification and the platform that it has always deserved. But to me, tennis has always been about the traveling circus, the mishmash of people, styles, ages, nations, whatever that travels week to week somewhere cool, and that is really what shone through all these stories that would normally get overshadowed by like is it gonna be the twentieth Slam for this guy? It's like how many times do you want to see? Also, like do you don't think Serena's tired of the Grand Slam conversation?

00:33:32
Speaker 1: Likely enough already, and the fact that Novak didn't win and instead we had to nail Menvedev, who certainly earned his first Grand Slam.

00:33:40
Speaker 4: He came very close two years ago against Rafa over five sets in the final. You know, the fact that not one of those stories was what was the most important story at the end of the day was so satisfying to me as a tennis fan to say, yeah, tennis isn't always has been about the broad diversity of different crazy people who play this sport. And what an amazing from the two Golden Slams in the wheelchair with DT Degrout, Dylan Allcott, the doubles with you know, Sam getting a decade between the last US Open Slam and now it's just between theoules. I mean, yeah, yeah, it's just so many cool storylines that again, the oxygen wouldn't have been in the room to be able to explore these.

00:34:23
Speaker 1: And really get excited about them.

00:34:24
Speaker 4: And I think what it showed, and I would like to know what the ratings are after when all of a sudden done. But I but I had people texting us telling us this is the most exciting I've excited I've been to watch the US opening years. Sam appears to be pantsless with a towel around it. This is a real I feel like we should turn this off and I think you.

00:34:43
Speaker 3: Should take a photo of that and we'll put it on the cover of this Sam walking around in the Wimbledon towel because I'm fairly certain she's now washed.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: Her Jane situation. Well, at least she has a shirt on. I guess. Oh, we put them in the Fraser Wow. Okay, okay, well am I.

00:34:58
Speaker 4: By the way, there were so many cool stories that could breathe because of this, and it just made me so excited for what tennis has to offer. And I think the broad consensus was this is the best tournament that people have seen in years and years and years, and not just because of the outcome, not just because of the one or two stories, but because of the diversity of stories.

00:35:17
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

00:35:17
Speaker 3: I think the great thing is that we've just realized that tennis will always outlive all of us, and it's more important.

00:35:22
Speaker 1: Than any superstar.

00:35:23
Speaker 3: And the superstars are super important to the sport, but the sport will always outlast the superstars.

00:35:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:35:30
Speaker 3: Well, I just wanted to also give a shout out before I forget, because we do love tennis so much.

00:35:35
Speaker 1: You got to give a shouer to.

00:35:36
Speaker 3: Deskruft Check, who won three Grand Slams in mixed this year. Yes, one with Joe Salisbury at the French then she won with Skupski at Wimbledon, and Salisbury in the final because he dumped her to play with a brit at Wimbledon, and she lovingly took him back and said, all right, fine.

00:35:54
Speaker 1: I'll play with you at the US Open. And then they won it.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: And of course Joe Salisbury kudos to him because he can the first male to win the double and the mixed since Bob Bryant. That's so cool, so so an amazing effort from dead and was an Arizona steet Arizona State. All four mixed doubles players were college college tennis players.

00:36:16
Speaker 1: To do you want college tennis? Dout out to them? All three of them graduated.

00:36:19
Speaker 3: One didn't think Alvarro didn't. But but yeah, great, great effort from Dez and from Joe.

00:36:26
Speaker 4: So yeah.

00:36:27
Speaker 1: And as I said, Sam, I mean, do you want to just give any parting words to do well? We wait before she does.

00:36:31
Speaker 4: I want to shout out to Virginia Weed, with whom I enjoy, you know, not an insignificant flirtation.

00:36:37
Speaker 1: Fun fact about me and Virginia Weed. It's pretty creepy, but it's true.

00:36:41
Speaker 4: You know, she was on hand and was commenting with Emma's win now as being the second bridge and yes, God knows when to win women's saying he's got to be Yeah, the last time, the sixty eight was the last time I was played at Forest Hills as a matter of fact. Yeah, but now so just you know, hey, Virginia, how you doing well? And come join us any parting fights, any farts you have? Congratulations and delayed you get we get to do the first people.

00:37:08
Speaker 1: To part with you, Yeah, they do well.

00:37:10
Speaker 3: Now you're like being on our pod three times. This is a pretty pull that chair up if you want to. Yeah, yeah, what struck you? Sam As penniless everyone, I've.

00:37:18
Speaker 6: Got a twer. Am we settle just in general or what?

00:37:24
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just overall that obviously the moment for you to win you Yeah, it was eighth Grand Slam title.

00:37:31
Speaker 6: Uh four yes, four doubles, three mix one singles.

00:37:37
Speaker 5: So yeah, to win a tournament sixteen years later after winning it the first time is just amazing and it was actually quite an emotional feeling out there and I know you were in tears, so that was fun to see, but yeah, I think we all were actually, But yeah, it was just, you know, came into this kind of us swing struggling for match wins, and you know, playing a different partner isn't as great as they were and had fun and everything else. You know, we didn't click as well as what Shway and I do, and we've obviously got a lot more matches together over previous years. So to just be able to get back together in Cincy and then carry that through and win eleven matches straight was just something I never would have thought, Yeah it would happen in the last three weeks.

00:38:20
Speaker 6: So going home, very very happy.

00:38:22
Speaker 1: Can you tell me one funny any Like?

00:38:25
Speaker 3: Sam always has these funny stories about what Schwey says to were on the court.

00:38:29
Speaker 1: You know, some can be repeated, some cannot. But was there anything yesterday where she said to you in the.

00:38:35
Speaker 3: Final like something that was just you just thought, oh my god, you're such a classic, because nah, she didn't really, she was probably a bit more serious yesterday, I think, you know, the moment and everything else, but we did try and always smile and you know, have fun.

00:38:47
Speaker 6: And do all the things that we usually do.

00:38:50
Speaker 5: She didn't really say really funny things yesterday. There was one moment when she actually lost serve in the second set, the only time she lost herv and the crowd went bananas.

00:39:04
Speaker 6: And I mean it wasn't I.

00:39:06
Speaker 5: Don't know what, maybe half full maybe, but on that court, it is so loud when they all get going, and that sound just bounces off everything. And she actually put her fingers up.

00:39:17
Speaker 1: To her ears, like to close their ears because it was so loud.

00:39:21
Speaker 6: Did she so it was like that, and she was just like I.

00:39:25
Speaker 5: Could see that that noise just was like she couldn't let that bother her and get to the you know, yeah, bother her play. So I thought that was really interesting because I've never seen her do that before, and that was obviously how that she was going to handle that moment and try and calm down and a right refocus and get on with it.

00:39:45
Speaker 6: No, we won the Azzy together a.

00:39:47
Speaker 4: Couple of years ago, and was there any sort of parallels to what today's or yesterday's match was like With that?

00:39:54
Speaker 1: I was sort of like, Okay, this is going, this is going.

00:39:56
Speaker 5: Three.

00:39:56
Speaker 1: We're playing against some hometown favorites.

00:40:00
Speaker 5: Very different being in Australia, so we had the whole crowd and everything else, and that was, you know, very different feeling to yesterday. You needed, I know, we were playing Americans and you know, everything else. But it was really one sided. Yeah, and I knew that going into it, but still kind of surprised me how much. But I think, yeah, that, I mean, that was a huge difference as far as playing. But it was just such a close match. It was like a few points here, a few points there, a couple of breaks and that was it for the whole match.

00:40:28
Speaker 6: And we you know, just I guess played better in the bigger moments.

00:40:32
Speaker 1: And what did she tell what we needed to do when you were serving?

00:40:36
Speaker 6: So the first one she called a kicker, wife, and we did it.

00:40:42
Speaker 5: Actually played a good point and I've never run for a lob as hard as what I did when they when Coco hit an amazing lob actually over Schway's.

00:40:49
Speaker 6: Head and I was just bolty. I was not going to run fast. Yeah, I didn't get it back in the court, but I was like, okay, that had just had to give it everything.

00:40:59
Speaker 5: And then the second one, she just looked at me and said your favorite I know what it is and then ran up to the net and then that was it. That's cool, hit my serve and yeah, Coco missed it and that was just a yeah, incredible.

00:41:13
Speaker 4: Well that's a real testament to knowing how to be in hyperreasure situations with somebody familiar, right, just be like, oh, we have a shorthand you know, we have each other's backs, even if the situation is a little adverse.

00:41:23
Speaker 6: Oh for sure.

00:41:24
Speaker 5: And that's I think how greatest strength is that we back each other, we trust each other.

00:41:29
Speaker 6: We doesn't matter whether you make it or you miss it. It's on to the next point.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: And sometimes I.

00:41:35
Speaker 3: Think it's interesting because in Cincinnati, you wanted to serve one thing and she told you to serve another, and then yesterday she said, you hit your what you want to hit right now. So I think that's really important for doubles people to understand, or kids growing up or trying to get an established doubles partnership, is that sometimes you have to call your partner's serve because she can sort of see in their eyes and they guys really know.

00:41:57
Speaker 1: And then there's sometimes where and frankly, Sam, it's served a really good game.

00:42:01
Speaker 3: You leave it to them to experience and say this is what I'm calling. So that's really important. So I think that's important in that moment.

00:42:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, and even first point of that game. Actually, she told me where she wanted me to serve on the first point before I even said anything, and I changed it. I was like, no, I'm doing this instead, and she's like okay.

00:42:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:42:21
Speaker 5: So it's like she likes to try and help and she obviously can be at the net you can see where your opponents may be standing or leaning towards more frequently or anything like that.

00:42:31
Speaker 6: So she tries to help me. I guess making those decisions.

00:42:34
Speaker 5: But in that moment yesterday I was like, nope, I'm gonna hit the serves I need to hit right now.

00:42:39
Speaker 6: That's what we go with.

00:42:40
Speaker 4: All right, last question, So Renee sort of alluded to this before, but I didn't get as satisfying of an anecdote out of her.

00:42:48
Speaker 1: So take me back to last night.

00:42:49
Speaker 4: I'm talking to two slightly hungover people snafoo the bar and you're what are you drinking? At what point does Dylan Alcott come into the picture. Just pete the picture for me?

00:43:01
Speaker 5: Well, so we just had to go to Snapfoo because that's where we went after I won the singles title here. So I said, we just got to go there for one drink and then we can do whatever anyone wants. So we went there for one drink and ended up spending the whole night share. As you know, moving probably wasn't gonna happen, and I reckon we were almost kind of good to kind of pack it up, and then this cab arrived and I was like, that's step from ESPN.

00:43:24
Speaker 6: And then she's come around and she's like, Dylan's in the car, and I'm like, what, how did you come here? Why did you come here? And they just came because it was the only place still open so late.

00:43:34
Speaker 5: So then Dylan rocked up and then all of a sudden, we're like holding trophies and wearing gold medals and you know, having another couple of dreams. So I went inside and ended up getting a shot, and I'm just like, what am I doing?

00:43:48
Speaker 1: This is not good? That's great.

00:43:49
Speaker 5: Now I ran down the street and bought some pizza. Ye, actually yeah, I bought twenty bucks worth of pizza. I was like, how much can I get for this? And he's like a whole one and four more and I was like, give it all to me and they all got it pretty much.

00:44:00
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was that.

00:44:02
Speaker 5: When at two am home at two sleep by three didn't feel amazing this morning, well that's fine.

00:44:09
Speaker 1: Though, So there you go. You're open twenty twenty one. Well done, well done, well done, both of you. Well done.

00:44:15
Speaker 4: Just distinctly privileged to be in your company to record a podcast. So I'd better get this up right now. So are many many fans and harassing me. Somebody came up to me he said are you Ketland from the Racket podcast? And I was like yes, expecting to get a compliment. He was like, why haven't you done one?

00:44:29
Speaker 1: I was like fuck, okay, all right. I was like all right, yes, you go.

00:44:33
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:44:33
Speaker 1: I didn't like say any autographs, but I had to apologize a lot.

00:44:36
Speaker 3: So not only did we do one for you the day after, whilst being hung over, but we also added.

00:44:41
Speaker 1: An eight time Grand Slam champion and now third time on the pod. Third time, second, no, third, third third. She was our guest home in Indian Wells prior to the pandy. Oh yes. When the pandy hit short for pandemic, the Pandy hit you were.

00:44:55
Speaker 6: Being a host more than a guest.

00:44:57
Speaker 5: Yes you have.

00:44:58
Speaker 1: On that note, On that note, thank you for Thank you Sam, and thank you everybody. Thank you for being patient with us. I promise you we're going to be having more and more depends on Caitlin.

00:45:08
Speaker 4: Goodbye, goodbye, and that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stoves. Our co host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Tim Or Jerry and then the team at acast.

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