Collective Soul - The Blue Album (1995): Track by Track with a Bonus Track!

<v Speaker 1>A dramatic reading December, Why drink the water from my hand?
<v Speaker 1>Contagious as you think?
<v Speaker 2>I am.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Jay Hudson, good friend of Dean Jason,
<v Speaker 1>and you are listening to Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 3>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 3>Be Serious Podcast. We are here for part five of
<v Speaker 3>a five part episode series on the albums of nineteen
<v Speaker 3>ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>Give me a word, give me a sign, show me
<v Speaker 4>where to look, tell me the what will I find?
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna let Heaven shine down on us. On this episode,
<v Speaker 4>we're covering Collective Soul's Blue album from nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 4>How are we doing this? The ninety four ninety five thing.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a little tricky, you kind of I snuck
<v Speaker 3>this one in here under the radar.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm going
<v Speaker 4>with Ed rolland on this he said, this is their
<v Speaker 4>debut album, and Mama say, this is debut album.
<v Speaker 3>This is debut album.
<v Speaker 4>Except he had one of the biggest songs of nineteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety four.
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you with absolute clarity, I remember the
<v Speaker 3>day that I was driving in my car and I
<v Speaker 3>heard Shine come on the radio for the first time really,
<v Speaker 3>and I was blown away. I was like, this is
<v Speaker 3>the future of music right here. I was like, this
<v Speaker 3>is such an incredible mixture of sounds and styles and
<v Speaker 3>vocal changes and guitar changes and rhythm, and I was
<v Speaker 3>just like, holy crap, these guys are the new thing.
<v Speaker 4>So I am cheating the system a little bit with
<v Speaker 4>are using Shine to bridge the ninety four to ninety
<v Speaker 4>five gap.
<v Speaker 3>Jason needs to know the rules so he can break them.
<v Speaker 4>When we started this, it was live versus Collective Soul,
<v Speaker 4>and then we added a bunch of albums from ninety four.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that is that is true. That is true, so true.
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, so we're diving into Collector Soul's Blue album. They
<v Speaker 4>did have an album before, but basically that was a
<v Speaker 4>collection of demos.
<v Speaker 3>I owned it.
<v Speaker 4>I owned it too.
<v Speaker 3>I owned the cassette.
<v Speaker 4>Did you really the cassette?
<v Speaker 3>I had the cassette. So, unfortunately Dayton wasn't able to
<v Speaker 3>join us today. We miss him. We wish him the best.
<v Speaker 3>Please go check out Docking Bay seventy seven. We will
<v Speaker 3>be listening to that in next episode so we can
<v Speaker 3>get on what he's doing over there.
<v Speaker 4>Yep, Dayton, we miss it. We'll see you next time.
<v Speaker 4>So he said. At this time he was an older
<v Speaker 4>guy and he was trying to get a job as
<v Speaker 4>a songwriter.
<v Speaker 3>Just something of note before we jump into the songs,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm really anxious to get in there. A couple
<v Speaker 3>of these guys were pretty old when they really hit
<v Speaker 3>it big. I mean we talked about Ed Roland. I
<v Speaker 3>mean he was thirty almost thirty one when he finally
<v Speaker 3>hit it and they finally got signed. Gavin Rosdale was
<v Speaker 3>twenty nine years old, almost thirty when Bush finally hit
<v Speaker 3>it in a Marria like. They're still playing the we
<v Speaker 3>infested pubs in the UK to nobody. He said, they'd
<v Speaker 3>used to go out and go all right, here's another
<v Speaker 3>one you've never heard of. And then a year later
<v Speaker 3>they have played more American audience members than any band.
<v Speaker 1>In the world.
<v Speaker 3>So what I've noticed about these guys, every single one
<v Speaker 3>of these lead singers, is they're all very down to earth.
<v Speaker 3>Say what you will about the music of the eighties,
<v Speaker 3>but Nicky six is kind of an hole, right. Vince
<v Speaker 3>Neil's kind of an pole, sure, David Lee Roth, even
<v Speaker 3>Eddie Van Halen. From time to time, these guys all
<v Speaker 3>seem to be regular guys who just happened to be
<v Speaker 3>big rock stars.
<v Speaker 4>Ed Roland I heard his wife talking about this. She
<v Speaker 4>says they have to be the most unknown rock band
<v Speaker 4>in history. She says, they'll be in home depot and
<v Speaker 4>Shine will come on overhead and they kind of look
<v Speaker 4>at each other and like nobody knows who we are.
<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't that be the best of all world? Really? I mean,
<v Speaker 3>because I just got done listening to an interview with him,
<v Speaker 3>and the guy was like, you know, do you have
<v Speaker 3>because they play a lot of shows every year, They
<v Speaker 3>play all the time. But it's because he loves it.
<v Speaker 3>Because the guy said, if you had to quit work
<v Speaker 3>in today, would you know, would you be tight with money?
<v Speaker 3>He's like, no, I don't have to worry about my money.
<v Speaker 3>Kids don't have to worry about my money. It's there.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody's set. I want them to work. I want them
<v Speaker 3>to go out and you know, strive and make it
<v Speaker 3>on their own. But no, money's not something we worry
<v Speaker 3>about anymore.
<v Speaker 4>Before we get into the songs, Yeah, and really, the
<v Speaker 4>story of Shine is the story of the band. We'll
<v Speaker 4>hold that thought because there's a lot of lead up there. Okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>all right. So the Blue Album came out March fourteenth,
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 4>It really was the first album as a band.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 4>Ed says that album one to album two. Album one
<v Speaker 4>was him in his underwear in his basement making demos.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Album two is with some buddies and they're making music
<v Speaker 4>together as a band in the studio. Yeah, only eight
<v Speaker 4>months between the release of those albums. Yep, And I
<v Speaker 4>saw him. He took out hints, allegations and things left unsaid,
<v Speaker 4>which is what Shine is on.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he looked at it.
<v Speaker 4>He's like, in all honesty, there are only three songs
<v Speaker 4>on this album that would have ever even made a
<v Speaker 4>collective soul album. He said, Shine would have Lovelifted and
<v Speaker 4>Sister Don't Cry. Everything else was just a crap demo.
<v Speaker 4>He was just trying to get a job. Three times platinum,
<v Speaker 4>seventy six weeks on the Billboard chart three Mainstream Rock
<v Speaker 4>number one hits.
<v Speaker 5>All right.
<v Speaker 4>The first song on the album is called simple.
<v Speaker 3>But I love about this one is? It throws me
<v Speaker 3>off at the beginning, Like if I've just bought this album,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like Okay, the production quality didn't really give up
<v Speaker 3>a lot from the last album.
<v Speaker 4>It's like listening to an old am radio stage.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it really is. And then all of a sudden, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>blowing it away with some vicious guitar licks. I like it.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a great kickoff to this album.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely. So. The I found out that his dad,
<v Speaker 3>Ed Roland's dad was an operatic singer, like he was
<v Speaker 3>going to go to Europe and become an opera singer
<v Speaker 3>and then basically had a little conversation with God and
<v Speaker 3>decided to go into the ministry instead.
<v Speaker 4>So I did know that he was a Southern Baptist preacher,
<v Speaker 4>and that Ed and his brother Dean were brought up
<v Speaker 4>as church rats, you know, yeah, little Southern Baptist church rats. So,
<v Speaker 4>but most of their time was spent at church with
<v Speaker 4>their parents, in youth choir, on youth trips and youth camps.
<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>In fact, I would bet a million dollars even though
<v Speaker 4>I heard Ed talk about this the song shine in
<v Speaker 4>the deep recesses of his brain, it's a rewriting of
<v Speaker 4>the song this Little Love of Mine.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe in vacation b scool, Yeah, sure, yeah, I.
<v Speaker 4>Heard him talk about it, He's like, maybe.
<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, it's interesting because his mom was musical
<v Speaker 3>as well. Okay, but even though he was a Southern
<v Speaker 3>Baptist preacher, his dad was the one that took him
<v Speaker 3>to his first concerts, that's right. Took him to see
<v Speaker 3>Johnny Cash, took him to see Elton John, took him
<v Speaker 3>to see Liberatchi, which apparently was his dad's mom's favorite singer.
<v Speaker 4>Right, and my brother George was here.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and took him to see the Kinks. So that's
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a switch up there. That's interesting. Okay. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I did hear him say that Elton John is really
<v Speaker 4>his musical idol.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said his very first album, he can remember
<v Speaker 3>with clarity buying the Elton John. He got to go
<v Speaker 3>to the store, bought the Elton John album. When he
<v Speaker 3>put the needle on and your song started playing, he
<v Speaker 3>immediately was just like.
<v Speaker 4>This is just what I want to do. I want
<v Speaker 4>to write songs like Elton John and Bernie Topin. Well,
<v Speaker 4>that's one of the greatest songs from the seventies, and
<v Speaker 4>Elton John's one of the greatest songwriters of all time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it's a great inspiration. I love that
<v Speaker 3>he commits. I mean that album came out and I
<v Speaker 3>think nineteen. That means he's really young, Like he's born
<v Speaker 3>in the sixties, so he's sure, he's really young, and
<v Speaker 3>he makes the decision at that point, and that's it.
<v Speaker 3>He's gonna go be a musician. He's gonna go be
<v Speaker 3>a songwriter, and he doesn't have anything that's gonna stop him.
<v Speaker 4>He said his musical influences were, of course, John Leewood,
<v Speaker 4>Mac the Eagles. He says, it's more California rock. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>all right, you're ready to jump onto song number two.
<v Speaker 4>Song number two is untitled, So.
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting a lot of Aerosmith on this one.
<v Speaker 4>I can see that.
<v Speaker 3>And they opened for Aerosmith. If they hadn't already recorded
<v Speaker 3>this album, they were in the midst of putting it
<v Speaker 3>together whenever they were going around with Aerosmith. But lyrics,
<v Speaker 3>the style of singing, and that guitar riff all very
<v Speaker 3>seventies Aerosmith styles.
<v Speaker 4>To you, we're gonna talk about a song that he
<v Speaker 4>wrote using a guitar that Joe Perry gave to him.
<v Speaker 4>Here in a few minutes.
<v Speaker 3>It's fantastic. I told you though, I was like, this
<v Speaker 3>is my hot take on this one. The riff is
<v Speaker 3>so similar to the riff in the first song. I
<v Speaker 3>feel like it was a bad decision to put this
<v Speaker 3>as the second song right after that one, Like throw,
<v Speaker 3>you know, throw December in between these two and you're
<v Speaker 3>mixing it up and you've got some variety. But with
<v Speaker 3>the hammer on and pull offs that they're doing the
<v Speaker 3>very similar speed and sound of the guitar. They're like,
<v Speaker 3>the second song is just a little too similar to
<v Speaker 3>the first song. It would have been better if it
<v Speaker 3>had been like song number three or four.
<v Speaker 4>They like to do a lot of the stops and
<v Speaker 4>starts in the song. I find that really interesting. December
<v Speaker 4>comes to a crashing halt before it revamps up into
<v Speaker 4>something amazing. This song comes to a stop as well. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>so you mentioned that he plays guitar. Obviously he's played
<v Speaker 4>with Joe Perry's guitar, right. Yep.
<v Speaker 3>He did not start off as a guitar player. Started
<v Speaker 3>off in the school band as a clarinet player. He
<v Speaker 3>actually told his parents, I want to be a coronet player.
<v Speaker 3>But obviously they must have misunderstood him because they came
<v Speaker 3>back and handed him a clarinet.
<v Speaker 4>You know, we talked about his dad being a pastor,
<v Speaker 4>and I saw somebody online who actually reached out to
<v Speaker 4>him on Facebook and said, I just wanted to send
<v Speaker 4>this picture to you. I'm a big fan of collective soul.
<v Speaker 4>But your dad married my parents. Oh cool, And here's
<v Speaker 4>a picture on their wedding day and there he is
<v Speaker 4>standing right there.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's awesome.
<v Speaker 4>I think that's really cool.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>You know, he knew his son wanted to be a
<v Speaker 4>singer in a rock band, and as you know, during
<v Speaker 4>those times, a record burning party was not off the
<v Speaker 4>table for Baptist churches.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, it's the seventies.
<v Speaker 4>And I think his congregation was kind of like, you know, hey,
<v Speaker 4>are you doing this? Are we doing this? And he
<v Speaker 4>said his dad could not bring himself to participate because
<v Speaker 4>of his son's love for rock music. Nice and Ed
<v Speaker 4>said that was really a big validation of big endorsement
<v Speaker 4>of me as a singer.
<v Speaker 3>Fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>I thought that was really cool.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is great.
<v Speaker 4>Untitled Is I like it? I don't skip it. The
<v Speaker 4>title untitled is dumb to me. I don't I don't
<v Speaker 4>like that at all. They asked him why he named
<v Speaker 4>it this, and he said, well, I just I didn't
<v Speaker 4>have any words. I didn't know what to call it,
<v Speaker 4>right right, Well, keep trying, dude, I mean there's something.
<v Speaker 4>There's at least two dozen words in the song.
<v Speaker 3>Just pick one of.
<v Speaker 4>Those words, exactly right.
<v Speaker 3>All right? You ready to move on to song number three?
<v Speaker 4>Song number three, the first of the heavy hitters.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, here we go.
<v Speaker 4>This song this is the world I know.
<v Speaker 6>As a conscience shows the speedies.
<v Speaker 4>But this is one of the most beautiful songs of
<v Speaker 4>the nineteen nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely beautiful.
<v Speaker 4>Guarantee makeout list of the nineties.
<v Speaker 3>This is a little sad for me. This is a
<v Speaker 3>bit of a downer for me to be a makeout song.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I enjoy listening to it, and I like
<v Speaker 3>sad songs, but I don't know that i'd be like
<v Speaker 3>touching a feeling on this particular song. But to be fair,
<v Speaker 3>he wrote it for his girlfriend, who then, of course
<v Speaker 3>later became his wife, who then, of course later became
<v Speaker 3>his ex wife. But they were up in New York
<v Speaker 3>City and this was back when New York City was
<v Speaker 3>still crime Central. Said he was thinking about writing a
<v Speaker 3>song walked out of the hotel that they were staying
<v Speaker 3>in and just walked around the streets for an hour
<v Speaker 3>and came back in and wrote down his thoughts. And
<v Speaker 3>that's how we get this song.
<v Speaker 4>He wrote this song to impress a beautiful woman.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I.
<v Speaker 2>Must stop.
<v Speaker 7>The loud, my.
<v Speaker 4>Chance, and he impressed her so much that she married him. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>we'll get to the rest of the story here in
<v Speaker 4>a minute. This song hits number nineteen on the Hot
<v Speaker 4>one hundred. It's number one on the Hot Rocks chart,
<v Speaker 4>one of three from this album. And David Cook from
<v Speaker 4>American Idol one American Idol by singing this song.
<v Speaker 3>Nice, that's good, that's good.
<v Speaker 4>He said he'd never watched American Idol, was flipping channels,
<v Speaker 4>came a and he's like, holy crap, they're singing the
<v Speaker 4>world I know. And the dude won American Idol by
<v Speaker 4>singing this song.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's gotta just make your heart warm. That's fantastic. Right.
<v Speaker 4>Here's the interesting thing about this song to me, during
<v Speaker 4>the recording sessions, at the last moment, Ed was like,
<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't like the words. I'm gonna change
<v Speaker 4>the words. And he said that it was just one
<v Speaker 4>of the engineers in the studios like Ed, No, No,
<v Speaker 4>this is a beautiful song, this is a number one hit,
<v Speaker 4>don't touch this song, and kind of tucked him off
<v Speaker 4>of the edge.
<v Speaker 3>Oh.
<v Speaker 4>He even gave his name Greg Archilla right.
<v Speaker 3>To see the World below.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this song piacked at number nineteen. Like I said,
<v Speaker 4>March ninth of ninety six, here's your top five on
<v Speaker 4>that day.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, you ready for this? Yeah? Okay?
<v Speaker 4>Number five missing everything but the Girl.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, no, nope.
<v Speaker 4>Number four Nobody Knows by the Tony Rick Project.
<v Speaker 3>Who the heck?
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't know, all right. Number three not gonna
<v Speaker 4>cry Mary J. Blige, No, okay, Number two sitting up
<v Speaker 4>in my room Brandy Wow. And number one one Sweet
<v Speaker 4>Day by Mariah Carey and Boice to men. R and
<v Speaker 4>B was big at this time.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was the beginning of the end.
<v Speaker 4>I think people forget they think the nineties was all grunge.
<v Speaker 4>It was a lot of R and B.
<v Speaker 3>There was a big movement growing that just title waved
<v Speaker 3>in the twenty first century.
<v Speaker 4>I got another funny story for you. Ed was at
<v Speaker 4>the mall one time. We talked about how he's the
<v Speaker 4>one of the most unrecognized rock stars of all time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>he goes into the gap to buy a pair of jeans,
<v Speaker 4>picks out his jeans, and is standing in line waiting.
<v Speaker 4>The clerk who's checking him out is singing The World
<v Speaker 4>I Know at the top of his lungs. He said
<v Speaker 4>he had to wait for him to calm down to
<v Speaker 4>check him out to pay for his jeans, And the
<v Speaker 4>guy had no idea who was in front of him.
<v Speaker 3>He didn't know. No, he wasn't singing it to him, no, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>he just was having a good time singing his song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, So that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, I'm gonna play another song for you real quick.
<v Speaker 4>Tell me if you think The World I Know influenced
<v Speaker 4>this song.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Very similar guitar sound, for sure, And that came
<v Speaker 3>out just a year later.
<v Speaker 4>I think Iris came out in ninety eight. It was
<v Speaker 4>three years later.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Goo goo dolls, right, Google dolls.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think you can hear similarity there.
<v Speaker 3>Very similar sounds for sure. Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 4>Next song on the album is a song called Smashing
<v Speaker 4>young Man. This is not a good song, but it's
<v Speaker 4>got a good story behind it. Stop you're killing me.
<v Speaker 4>I think this is a fun song, man.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's kind of dumb to me. And I think that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I genuinely think they meant it to be dumb,
<v Speaker 3>Like I think that they were making fun of Billy
<v Speaker 3>Corgan and they were they were being dumb on purpose.
<v Speaker 4>I think you're absolutely right. I think this is a
<v Speaker 4>complete shot across the bow.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Well, so you gotta tell the story on this, Okay.
<v Speaker 4>So when the song Shine comes out in nineteen ninety four,
<v Speaker 4>which we'll talk about in depth here in a second,
<v Speaker 4>Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins sues them because he feels
<v Speaker 4>like they stole his song called Rhinoceros from the album gish.
<v Speaker 3>We should listen to Rhinoceros.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's listen to it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean kind similar, but right, not Blake Rip,
<v Speaker 3>not a stolen. I mean, there's a million other songs
<v Speaker 3>that we've talked about on this podcast where I was like, oh, dang,
<v Speaker 3>that's straight up stolen, right, I mean, no, they have
<v Speaker 3>a I would say that. I would say the Goo
<v Speaker 3>Goo Goo Goo Dolls song is closer than Shine is
<v Speaker 3>to that song.
<v Speaker 4>I think that's fair. I think that's fair. I don't
<v Speaker 4>think that's a blatant rip off. I'm not a musician.
<v Speaker 4>There's some similarities, but well.
<v Speaker 3>But here's the problem. The Smashing Pumpkins didn't form until
<v Speaker 3>like ninety one maybe.
<v Speaker 4>So here's the deal. Okay, so that song Rhinoceros came
<v Speaker 4>out in ninety one, Shine comes out in ninety four, right,
<v Speaker 4>Billy Corgan, Sue's collective soul it Roland produces a demo
<v Speaker 4>from nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Shine, Yeah, because he came up with it in
<v Speaker 3>eighty eight. Like he came up with it. He came
<v Speaker 3>home and his you know, you mentioned his brother is
<v Speaker 3>ten years younger than him. He came home and found
<v Speaker 3>his brother had a guitar. He had no idea his
<v Speaker 3>brother was even playing guitar. At that point, they start
<v Speaker 3>talking about music and writing songs, and he literally comes
<v Speaker 3>up with it there in his brother's bedroom in eighty eight,
<v Speaker 3>which is two years before Smashing Pumpkins is even a that's.
<v Speaker 4>Right, that's right. I did see online where somebody wrote it.
<v Speaker 4>You know, it was one of those deals where Billy
<v Speaker 4>Corgan was on the internet. He was answering questions from fans.
<v Speaker 4>They said, how do you feel about Collective Soul now
<v Speaker 4>is like twenty years later.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it was like yeah, twenty nineteen.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he's like f Collective Soul now and always.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's just a lot of hate for that
<v Speaker 4>I And I've.
<v Speaker 3>Listened to Billy Corgan do stuff, and I never was
<v Speaker 3>a huge fan of him to begin with, but like
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the stuff that I've seen him do now,
<v Speaker 3>he seems like a kind of down to earth, more
<v Speaker 3>normal guy than I, you know, had an impression of
<v Speaker 3>in the nineties. But he's he's got some deep seated
<v Speaker 3>and probably ill placed hatred for them, but totally agree. So,
<v Speaker 3>as you pointed out, he produces this demo from eighty
<v Speaker 3>nine and that wins the court case for him, right, Yes,
<v Speaker 3>but obviously Billy Corgan's not letting this go and you know,
<v Speaker 3>we'll trash talk him everywhere. And then this album comes
<v Speaker 3>along and smashing young man wink wink, nudge, nudge, know
<v Speaker 3>what I mean? Smirk?
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Yeah, clearly it's a shot back at Billy Corgan
<v Speaker 8>from collect Yourself.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 4>This was the third single release Fall of ninety five. Okay,
<v Speaker 4>next song on the album, Oh My Goodness, are You
<v Speaker 4>ready are you braising yourself?
<v Speaker 3>I'm ready before it. Let's go.
<v Speaker 4>This song is called December.
<v Speaker 9>Why dr Wong from This is a fantastic song for
<v Speaker 9>our listening audience.
<v Speaker 4>Dee and I have been friends long before the podcast,
<v Speaker 4>and about twenty ten, I was like, d will you
<v Speaker 4>teach me how to play this on guitar guitar player?
<v Speaker 4>I'm not even a guitar player. I just love this
<v Speaker 4>song so much.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, did you even own a guitar at
<v Speaker 3>that point?
<v Speaker 5>Right?
<v Speaker 2>No?
<v Speaker 4>And You're like, well, that's kind of like you asking
<v Speaker 4>me to show you how to pop a wheelie before
<v Speaker 4>you can ride a bicycle.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, I don't care. I want to
<v Speaker 4>learn how to do this. I can't do it. But
<v Speaker 4>you did send me a video of you playing this song.
<v Speaker 3>Fourteen years later, I guess we were covered and I thought,
<v Speaker 3>oh crap, I forgot I was supposed to learn how
<v Speaker 3>to play this for him.
<v Speaker 4>So the funny part is is that, as you can
<v Speaker 4>clearly hear, Dee is playing it correctly, but there's an
<v Speaker 4>interview with Rick Biato and Ed Roland.
<v Speaker 3>He's been playing it wrong.
<v Speaker 4>He's been playing it wrong.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean It's not a super complicated fingerpicking thing
<v Speaker 3>that he's doing, but there's easier way to do it,
<v Speaker 3>and I get I understand, you know, sometimes you just
<v Speaker 3>want to do it the easy way to think and
<v Speaker 3>sing at the same time, it's hard.
<v Speaker 4>So I love this song. This is another number one
<v Speaker 4>hit on the mainstream rock charts. This reaches number twenty
<v Speaker 4>on the Hot one hundred. But to me, this is
<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest songs of nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 3>Best song on the album spiking the football.
<v Speaker 7>Down, no verb, Just spend me down down speak.
<v Speaker 2>Now verver, Just spend me ow.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>I would say this is almost like three different songs
<v Speaker 4>and they don't fully come together. They're like interwoven the
<v Speaker 4>last minute and a half of the song.
<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting that you say that because when they
<v Speaker 3>were recording this album, this is the one song that
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the band when they when he came
<v Speaker 3>up with it and he played it for them, they
<v Speaker 3>were like, no, we are not recording that song, right,
<v Speaker 3>And he was like what and now what his his
<v Speaker 3>plan was when he was writing the song was he
<v Speaker 3>wanted to have the same chord progression throughout the song,
<v Speaker 3>but come up with different melodies to go over that
<v Speaker 3>chord progression, and so as he's playing it for them,
<v Speaker 3>all they can hear is the chord progression. All they're like,
<v Speaker 3>it's the same four chords over and over. This is terrible.
<v Speaker 3>We're not doing this.
<v Speaker 4>But he's like, guys, just trust me, and it goes
<v Speaker 4>on to be their biggest hit, one of their biggest
<v Speaker 4>hits for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>This song was written about their manager when they were
<v Speaker 4>fighting with their first manager.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I know that they dropped their manager because he
<v Speaker 3>was like screwing them out of money.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so they believe that he was taking advantage of them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>You know, when you have this massive number one hit, shine,
<v Speaker 4>you got people falling all over themselves to sign you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>But you said Ed was savvy by that time, because
<v Speaker 4>he was thirty years old and not a kid.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean he had. He had been growing up
<v Speaker 3>in the recording industry, and he had been you know,
<v Speaker 3>he had had the opportunity to speak to all kinds
<v Speaker 3>of musicians. I can't wait to tell you the first
<v Speaker 3>one he had his first recording session with, you'ren I'm
<v Speaker 3>excited to tell you about this, Okay, But he had
<v Speaker 3>heard enough horror stories and was old enough, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I'm mature enough man that he was like, I'm not
<v Speaker 3>gonna let these guys railroad me on this deal. I
<v Speaker 3>mean something to keep in mind that the record label
<v Speaker 3>like signed these guys like on their fourth show. Like
<v Speaker 3>it was nuts, Like it really was just crazy, and
<v Speaker 3>we'll get to that story. But the record label just
<v Speaker 3>kind of like signed them. And then it was kind
<v Speaker 3>of riding along and all of a sudden they just
<v Speaker 3>showed up with this blue album and they're like, hey, guys,
<v Speaker 3>we got the new we recorded the next album, and
<v Speaker 3>the record company was like, great, we're gonna make our
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna make quarter two.
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, I don't know what that means, but cool.
<v Speaker 4>But like, the record company was not involved in the
<v Speaker 4>recording of this album at all. In fact, they wanted
<v Speaker 4>to go back and record hints, allegations and things left
<v Speaker 4>un said. Yeah, they thought, well, those are demos, we
<v Speaker 4>need to rerecord those in the record company. He's like, no,
<v Speaker 4>we're just gonna sell that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, move on, I bought it right right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So anyway, their manager at the time was a guy
<v Speaker 4>named Bill Richardson. He was fighting with them. He was
<v Speaker 4>able to freeze their earnings for a full year. By
<v Speaker 4>the way, at first, he didn't have a title for
<v Speaker 4>this song, and he wanted something better than the End
<v Speaker 4>or like Finelle, and so he thought, you know, what's
<v Speaker 4>another synonym for like the End? And so December is
<v Speaker 4>what came to his mind. He wrote a quick bridge,
<v Speaker 4>you know, using the word December when they mix like
<v Speaker 4>three different melodies at the end of the song. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it just blows me away. I absolutely love
<v Speaker 4>this song. One of my favorite songs from the nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great one.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, next song on the album is called Where the
<v Speaker 4>River Flows.
<v Speaker 3>I think when I first heard this album back in
<v Speaker 3>ninety five, this was a song that stood out to
<v Speaker 3>me like this is the collective soul that I know,
<v Speaker 3>Like this is this is my collective soul. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>really dig the guitar, nice crunchy, punchy guitar. By the way,
<v Speaker 3>here's how Ed became a guitar player instead of clarinet player.
<v Speaker 3>He was hanging out with the jocks and felt comfortable
<v Speaker 3>enough to go, you know, guys, I'm going to be
<v Speaker 3>a songwriter someday. They didn't give him any trouble. They
<v Speaker 3>didn't make fun of him. One of them just said,
<v Speaker 3>I got a guitar, you want it, and he's like sure.
<v Speaker 3>So he gave him like this Kmart guitar and an
<v Speaker 3>Elvis songbook that had the chords written down in it
<v Speaker 3>and an Eagles songbook that had the chords written down
<v Speaker 3>in it, and that's how he learned to play the guitar.
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, that's the way it went for me,
<v Speaker 3>Like it was I did. My dad had a guitar there,
<v Speaker 3>but it was looking at those songbooks and those chord
<v Speaker 3>charts in the songbooks with the songs I knew. It's
<v Speaker 3>how I taught myself to play. So that's how he
<v Speaker 3>got started on the guitar. Some football player with a
<v Speaker 3>Kmart guitar. He didn't wan anymore.
<v Speaker 4>That's fantastic. I've not heard that story.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So this is the fourth Hot Rocks number one for
<v Speaker 4>the band fifth single. This was released March twenty sixth,
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety six.
<v Speaker 3>So this is the.
<v Speaker 4>Fourth number one of the Billboard Mainstream Rock Charts. You
<v Speaker 4>had Shine December the World that I Know and Wear
<v Speaker 4>the River flips. So this is the song that was
<v Speaker 4>written on the guitar given to him by Joe Perry
<v Speaker 4>from Aerosmith.
<v Speaker 3>Nice.
<v Speaker 4>So they opened for Aerosmith on the Like to Get
<v Speaker 4>a Grip tour, Yeah, which we've talked about. We went
<v Speaker 4>track by track through Get a Grip. Yeah, and what
<v Speaker 4>a great what a great gig to have. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>Aerosmith was huge in ninety four. You've got one big song,
<v Speaker 4>cold Shine, and arismis like, yeah, how would you like
<v Speaker 4>to open for us?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>By the way, they also opened for Van Halen. They
<v Speaker 4>got to play Woodstock and they've got one hit song.
<v Speaker 3>So to this day, ed Roland is a golfer. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>loves to play golf. He lives down in Atlanta, Georgia.
<v Speaker 3>Grew up right outside of there, you know, lives there
<v Speaker 3>now with his second wife and their kids. But he's
<v Speaker 3>a golfer. He even hosts charity golf tournaments for Saint
<v Speaker 3>Jude's Hospital. I mean, just a great guy. And it
<v Speaker 3>all goes back to when they were hanging out with
<v Speaker 3>Van Halen and Eddie comes up to him, you know,
<v Speaker 3>early on in the tour and he's he's like, so
<v Speaker 3>you golf and he's like no. He goes, well, why
<v Speaker 3>don't you come golfing? With me tomorrow and he's like, yes, sir,
<v Speaker 3>mister van Halen, sir, of course, yes, right, and Eddie says, like,
<v Speaker 3>all the hotel rooms are the same. It's to quote Eddie,
<v Speaker 3>it's the same bed, it's the same or it's the
<v Speaker 3>same TV. Okay, he says, So you go in on
<v Speaker 3>these tours, you go to the hotel room and immediately
<v Speaker 3>you're down in the bar and just that's not a
<v Speaker 3>good place to be. You got to get out, you
<v Speaker 3>got to do stuff. So that's why we're going to
<v Speaker 3>go play golf. And so he takes him golfing that
<v Speaker 3>next day, a smashing young man at just thirty or
<v Speaker 3>thirty one years old, and now he's been playing for
<v Speaker 3>the last thirty years, he said. At the time, he
<v Speaker 3>got his girlfriend some golf clubs and she's like, this
<v Speaker 3>is a guy's thing. This is like you hang out
<v Speaker 3>with the guys thing, and he's like, okay, great, that
<v Speaker 3>sounds great. And he said he got too serious about
<v Speaker 3>it at one point and realized that he was getting
<v Speaker 3>too angry and frustrated with it, and he realized that
<v Speaker 3>the benefit of the game is the fellowship you have
<v Speaker 3>with the guys you're playing with. That's his words, fellowship
<v Speaker 3>with the guys you're playing with. I love it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there you go.
<v Speaker 4>That's that's how ed Roland plays golf. Okay, hit stop
<v Speaker 4>on your tape player, kick it out, flip it over
<v Speaker 4>side too. Next song is called Jell.
<v Speaker 3>Another great one, Another one again. It starts off very
<v Speaker 3>much like the first song on the first side. I'm
<v Speaker 3>listening to this and I'm thinking, is somebody gonna be snapping?
<v Speaker 4>Here?
<v Speaker 3>Are we listening to the intro music for sitcom from
<v Speaker 3>the sixties about monsters or something. It's just got this
<v Speaker 3>very kind of quirky little it's quirky thing going and
<v Speaker 3>then here we go, just like you wanted, the punchy,
<v Speaker 3>big chords coming in again.
<v Speaker 2>Being well.
<v Speaker 4>This is the first single. This was released in January
<v Speaker 4>of ninety five. This was a bridge single. So the
<v Speaker 4>record company came to them and said, I know you're
<v Speaker 4>working on the new album. We want to kind of
<v Speaker 4>keep this momentum going. Do you have anything. He's like, well,
<v Speaker 4>I got this song, gave it to him. They listened
<v Speaker 4>to it and they're like, well, if this is just
<v Speaker 4>a bridge single, I can't wait to hear the rest
<v Speaker 4>of the album.
<v Speaker 3>Here we Go.
<v Speaker 4>This song reached number two on the Hot Rocks chart.
<v Speaker 4>This debuted on the Jerky Boys soundtrack. You remember the
<v Speaker 4>Jerky Boys, I.
<v Speaker 3>Do making the prank phone calls?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, they actually got a movie made on the
<v Speaker 4>Jerky Boys.
<v Speaker 3>This is a sal Gold state.
<v Speaker 4>So I think this is a really important song for
<v Speaker 4>them because obviously Shine is their best and most important song,
<v Speaker 4>but this was the song that proved that they were
<v Speaker 4>not a one hit wonder.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, hey, Jason, you know we've been doing this
<v Speaker 3>for over five years now, the podcast. That's incredible. Really,
<v Speaker 3>you know why? Why? Because we gel.
<v Speaker 4>Because we come together. By the way, this song was
<v Speaker 4>written during sound check at Woodstock ninety four.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, that's great. So he didn't just play Elvis
<v Speaker 3>and Eagles. Eventually he learned some other stuff. He became
<v Speaker 3>obsessed with the cars because hey, seventy eight, that album
<v Speaker 3>of that year was incredible. Yeah, so he became obsessed
<v Speaker 3>with them, and he learned that some of those guys
<v Speaker 3>went to the Berkeley School of Music. And so as
<v Speaker 3>soon as he found that out, he's like, that's what
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go do. I'm gonna go be a
<v Speaker 3>guitar player. I'm gonna go play guitar at the Berkeley
<v Speaker 3>School of Music. And so he's poor, but he got
<v Speaker 3>a loan from his uncle, the banker, to go to Berkeley. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>ask me how much Berkeley was back then?
<v Speaker 4>Was how much?
<v Speaker 3>Was it twenty five hundred dollars? I need a loan? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>now twenty five hundred dollars for six months, because that's
<v Speaker 3>how long he was there.
<v Speaker 2>Oh.
<v Speaker 3>So he comes in and he's thinking he's going to
<v Speaker 3>be a guitar player, and then he comes in with
<v Speaker 3>these real guitar players and he's like, okay, I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to be a songwriter's because he's just outmanned on the guitar.
<v Speaker 3>And then he runs into his mailman as he's leaving
<v Speaker 3>his dorm or whatever one day and the mailman's like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>here's your mail and he's like, oh hey, thanks. He
<v Speaker 3>goes you go in school here, and he's like, yep, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a songwriter. And he's like, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I graduated from here, and he's like the mailman. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>In his head, he's like the mailman's and he's like,
<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, what did you say. You're you're playing
<v Speaker 3>an instrument and he's like, oh, I was, but I
<v Speaker 3>think I'm going to be a songwriter and instead and
<v Speaker 3>the mailman. The mailman goes, you should quit right now
<v Speaker 3>and go live life. They're not going to teach you
<v Speaker 3>how to write a song at Berkley. Go live life
<v Speaker 3>and that will be how you write songs. And see
<v Speaker 3>what he did. He quit. Good for him, Cliff Clven
<v Speaker 3>changes the fate of a smashing young man.
<v Speaker 4>That's a great story, right, yeah, go live life and
<v Speaker 4>write from then. Yeah, so he lands a job at
<v Speaker 4>the studio, right, and that's kind of a big win
<v Speaker 4>for him, right.
<v Speaker 3>Well he I mean we're talking about the studio. This
<v Speaker 3>is back home in.
<v Speaker 4>Georgia after he's left Boston.
<v Speaker 3>Right. He was just a gopher, Like he was the
<v Speaker 3>pon Jovi store. He was the guy that went and
<v Speaker 3>got the coffee. He's the guy that swept up at
<v Speaker 3>the end. But he would go and talk to the
<v Speaker 3>engineer as the engineer was doing stuff and just kind
<v Speaker 3>of politely ask him questions about things. And then after
<v Speaker 3>he'd worked there for three months, the engineer left, and
<v Speaker 3>so the owner of the studio is like, well, you
<v Speaker 3>want to be the new engineer? Yeah, So he became
<v Speaker 3>from three months of just hanging out in the studio.
<v Speaker 3>And when I say three months of hanging out in
<v Speaker 3>the studio, everybody would leave. He would sweep up and
<v Speaker 3>then he would sit there and mess with the system
<v Speaker 3>all night long, sleep under the board.
<v Speaker 2>Yes.
<v Speaker 4>He talked about how he wrote and recorded his first
<v Speaker 4>album using like the twenty seconds left over on the
<v Speaker 4>tape that they didn't use, and so he would like
<v Speaker 4>clip that and it.
<v Speaker 3>Just tape them all together, and just tape.
<v Speaker 4>Them all together. And that's how he got the recording tak.
<v Speaker 3>You get a full size, real fa fantastic. I didn't
<v Speaker 3>know that. That's great. So I told you you were
<v Speaker 3>going to be excited to hear who his first session
<v Speaker 3>was as an engineer.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Okayaul, Oh my god. He said they actually became buddies.
<v Speaker 3>He was like, we hit it off. We had a
<v Speaker 3>great time. He taught me a lot of stuff about
<v Speaker 3>these different musical styles. And he said, and in that studio,
<v Speaker 3>being in Georgia, you had all kinds of me, all
<v Speaker 3>kinds of music coming in. You've got bluegrass, you've got rap,
<v Speaker 3>you've got heavy metal, you've got whatever RuPaul is I
<v Speaker 3>mean you've got it all sure, So he's getting exposed
<v Speaker 3>to all of these things as an engineer and just
<v Speaker 3>soaking it up. Now, we will establish here in a
<v Speaker 3>bit that Shine is almost literal overnight success. But the
<v Speaker 3>time between when Ed Roland dropped out of college and
<v Speaker 3>the time when Shine hit is eleven years. So you
<v Speaker 3>go back to the old, you know, go back to
<v Speaker 3>the old ten thousand hour yep theory. He is working
<v Speaker 3>in the music industry just long enough to become a
<v Speaker 3>true expert at his craft. And even with that, he
<v Speaker 3>doesn't know which song is going to be the song
<v Speaker 3>that breaks them. But I'll tell you that story here
<v Speaker 3>in a second. Okay, excellent, excellent, Okay.
<v Speaker 4>Next song on the album is called She Gathers Rain. Okay,
<v Speaker 4>another guitar heavy song. This doesn't capture me quite as
<v Speaker 4>much as some of those heavy hitters on the front
<v Speaker 4>part of the album.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a little.
<v Speaker 4>Lull on the B side of this album for me,
<v Speaker 4>So this one, to me has a stronger beat to it,
<v Speaker 4>like the drums seem more pronounced in this one.
<v Speaker 3>Drummer was a guy named Shane Evans, right. He actually
<v Speaker 3>was in a band with Ed before Collective soul band
<v Speaker 3>called the Marching Two Step. He said, like, over this
<v Speaker 3>eleven year period he would have to be a part
<v Speaker 3>of different bands and stuff. But as time went on,
<v Speaker 3>people would they'd fizzle out, and he was, this is
<v Speaker 3>so crazy. He was signed up to go play on
<v Speaker 3>a cruise ship a month before Shine hit. So so
<v Speaker 3>here's how it happens. Right, He's recorded probably one hundred
<v Speaker 3>demo in over one hundred demos in this eleven year
<v Speaker 3>time period, and he's just being I mean, he just
<v Speaker 3>never gives up. He sends them to radio stations, he
<v Speaker 3>sends them to record companies. He even got a letter
<v Speaker 3>from a guy. He didn't say his name, but he said,
<v Speaker 3>never send me another piece of your music. You're a
<v Speaker 3>horrible singer and a horrible songwriter. What And he didn't
<v Speaker 3>quit after that, He didn't quit. He gave cassettes to
<v Speaker 3>Sting and to ric Ocasic. But it's just crazy. In
<v Speaker 3>this process, he thought, okay, I you know, he had
<v Speaker 3>these songs that he thought was gonna they were gonna
<v Speaker 3>do well, but he had this one that he thought
<v Speaker 3>was going to make it right. This song was called
<v Speaker 3>good Night Good Guy.
<v Speaker 4>So Goodnight Good Guy is off his allegations and things
<v Speaker 4>left unsaid, and it sounds a lot like she gathers rain.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So his plan is his brother, like we said,
<v Speaker 3>ten years younger, he's at college at Georgia State, and
<v Speaker 3>so he wants him to give it to the little
<v Speaker 3>college radio station there to play the cassette. Right, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>And so his brother takes the cassette to the radio station,
<v Speaker 3>and just like Quincy Jones back when they were recording Thriller,
<v Speaker 3>they put in the wrong side. And the side that
<v Speaker 3>they put in is just extra, right, It's just a cassette.
<v Speaker 3>He just had an extra song on the other one.
<v Speaker 3>The song that was on the other side was Shine.
<v Speaker 6>Show No No Yes.
<v Speaker 3>And so at that point they've played the wrong song.
<v Speaker 3>The song finishes and the switchboard lights up and everybody
<v Speaker 3>is like, what was that? Play that again? And then
<v Speaker 3>I mean the dominoes start falling like crazy.
<v Speaker 5>Shine.
<v Speaker 3>So then this radio station in Orlando starts playing it.
<v Speaker 3>Somehow they hear about it, and he had already sent
<v Speaker 3>them the tape, right, he's sending about right, He's sending
<v Speaker 3>to anybody that he can, and so they start playing
<v Speaker 3>it and then this the university is having this Christmas
<v Speaker 3>party and they're like, hey, you guys are awesome, come
<v Speaker 3>come play with us. And they don't know that you
<v Speaker 3>guys is ed Roland right, like he did the whole
<v Speaker 3>thing on his own, right. But his brother has this
<v Speaker 3>little frat band, and so he's like, Okay, here's what
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna do. We'll get together, we'll figure out, you know,
<v Speaker 3>half an hour worth of songs. You know, we'll do
<v Speaker 3>three original songs and then we'll just do a bunch
<v Speaker 3>of covers and we'll be fine. And you guys can
<v Speaker 3>play the songs that you play and I'll just get
<v Speaker 3>off the stage. It'll be fine, it'll be fine, right,
<v Speaker 3>And so they practice together a couple of times before
<v Speaker 3>this Christmas party. They play one song and then they
<v Speaker 3>play Shine and in the place goes nuts. Really, this
<v Speaker 3>is a college Christmas party at Georgia State and they're
<v Speaker 3>losing their minds and he just he starts looking around
<v Speaker 3>at the band, like what is what is going on?
<v Speaker 3>This is crazy? So he said he's said, let's play
<v Speaker 3>it again.
<v Speaker 4>And so they played it again and the crowd went
<v Speaker 4>nuts again.
<v Speaker 3>He said they played it six times that night and
<v Speaker 3>the crowd went crazy. Every single time. So it's hitting
<v Speaker 3>in Orlando. It's obviously tapped a nerve. I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>told you how I felt when I heard it. And
<v Speaker 3>so they get booked to play a bigger show down
<v Speaker 3>in Florida, and they're in their van driving to this
<v Speaker 3>show and they're doing the top five most requested songs
<v Speaker 3>of the week and it's like Stone Temple, Pilots, Pearl Jam, Nirvana,
<v Speaker 3>Kings x OH, and at number one, this band out
<v Speaker 3>of Atlanta called Collective Soul. The song's called Shine. He said,
<v Speaker 3>they pulled the van over to the side of the
<v Speaker 3>road and he just he got out and he just
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what to do. He was like mystified. He's
<v Speaker 3>like these other guys, you know, they're all in their
<v Speaker 3>early twenties, and they're going nuts. They're like so excited
<v Speaker 3>and cheering for him and excited to be a part
<v Speaker 3>of this band, and he's just like, none of this
<v Speaker 3>makes sense. It's just this happening, weird, surreal moment, And yeah.
<v Speaker 4>That's a fantastic story. Shine was the song of the
<v Speaker 4>summer of ninety four for me. That's such a great story. Okay.
<v Speaker 4>Next song on the album is a song called When
<v Speaker 4>the water falls.
<v Speaker 2>She's a big job job.
<v Speaker 3>This has the feel of another band in that area.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were out of Florida. Dolphins make me cry.
<v Speaker 3>I bet they were out of Florida. Hooty and the
<v Speaker 3>Blowfish South Carolina. There you go, Yeah, there you go.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely sounds like the Blowfish, right. Yeah, this song sounds
<v Speaker 4>like it's like a hippie song, right like when I'm
<v Speaker 4>driving in the Colorado Mountains in the summertime and I
<v Speaker 4>see the Columbine on the side of the hill and
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I got the local radio station on. It's
<v Speaker 4>just a hippie song. It's I like it. I don't
<v Speaker 4>skip it. It's not a heavy hitter, but I like it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. By the way, they were friends with the guys
<v Speaker 3>from Hoodie and the Blowfish before either one of them
<v Speaker 3>more famous.
<v Speaker 4>Love It.
<v Speaker 3>He said that the atmosphere was much like, you know
<v Speaker 3>when we talked about Pearl Jim and Nirvana, the Seattle
<v Speaker 3>scene where all the bands supported each other instead of
<v Speaker 3>being adversarial. He said it was the same kind of
<v Speaker 3>thing that like, when each band got signed, they were
<v Speaker 3>both genuinely excited for each other. And I think they're
<v Speaker 3>still I think they're touring with them right.
<v Speaker 4>Now, Hooting the Blowfish went from nobody to everywhere overnight.
<v Speaker 4>You might hear the rest of that story if you
<v Speaker 4>come listen to our best of ninety four. All right,
<v Speaker 4>I want to just drop in a little bit of
<v Speaker 4>gossip up right here. Okay, So the members of the band.
<v Speaker 4>When Ed got signed and had the hit Shine, he
<v Speaker 4>had to gather a band, right, So he grabs his
<v Speaker 4>younger brother and some of his friends, and among that,
<v Speaker 4>you've got Shane Evans, You've got Will Turpin, who sang
<v Speaker 4>in the church choir with him at his church.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you grab your friends, right, you grab the
<v Speaker 4>guys you want to hang out with.
<v Speaker 9>Right.
<v Speaker 4>And they grabbed a guitar player named Ross Childress. Now
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't find anything super solid on the internet. However,
<v Speaker 4>Ed married a woman named Stephanie Bully. That's who he
<v Speaker 4>wrote The World I Know for in ninety four.
<v Speaker 3>They have a kid together.
<v Speaker 4>They were married for five years. They divorced in two
<v Speaker 4>thousand and one. Ross Childress was kicked out of the
<v Speaker 4>band in two thousand and one. And I heard somebody
<v Speaker 4>talking about this, and he said, well, the one thing
<v Speaker 4>you can't do is sleep with the boss's wife.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you will not probably ever hear the full story
<v Speaker 3>on that, because you listen to Ed roll and talk
<v Speaker 3>and they're just there. Becomes a point that he very
<v Speaker 3>phlegmatically refuses to answer those kinds of questions. That's right.
<v Speaker 3>He just says, I'm just not going to talk about that. Right.
<v Speaker 4>I did see him on YouTube though, you can go
<v Speaker 4>look at this somebody's holding him aside that says like,
<v Speaker 4>you know, where's Ross And he says a bunch of
<v Speaker 4>non Christian words to this guy and kicks him out. Wow,
<v Speaker 4>So no love lost there at all. Right, And in fact,
<v Speaker 4>Ross Schilders gets a co writing credit for the World
<v Speaker 4>I know, huh. Ed's like, he didn't write it, he
<v Speaker 4>didn't do anything. He didn't even play on that track.
<v Speaker 4>But I gave him songwriting credit because I was trying
<v Speaker 4>to keep everybody in the band happy. Yeah, And the
<v Speaker 4>interview I saw he looked directly at the camera and says,
<v Speaker 4>and you know it's true. So so yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So what I heard him say number one about the
<v Speaker 3>first marriage was being on the road was probably difficult
<v Speaker 3>on the relationship, and had they spend a little more
<v Speaker 3>time dating before they got married, that it probably would
<v Speaker 3>have been a better result for the relationship. That was
<v Speaker 3>a rudibly diplomatic way to handle that. That's right, he said.
<v Speaker 3>She is a great mother. And as far as Ross,
<v Speaker 3>and then also Shane, who was the other one who
<v Speaker 3>was asked to leave the band, what he said was, well,
<v Speaker 3>like I said, I was Atlantic signed Me, not Collective Soul.
<v Speaker 3>So these guys technically were my employees, and there was
<v Speaker 3>a morals clause in our employment contract. And I don't
<v Speaker 3>need to go into detail about it, but they both
<v Speaker 3>had issues with that morals clause that caused them to
<v Speaker 3>not be in the band anymore.
<v Speaker 4>Interesting.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I know with Shane Evans it was drugs,
<v Speaker 3>which I think he's cleaned up. He's cleaned up, and
<v Speaker 3>I think I think he was with him whenever they
<v Speaker 3>got inducted.
<v Speaker 4>The Georgia Hall of Fame.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go. That's it.
<v Speaker 4>I do think they're still friendly with everybody but Ross.
<v Speaker 4>He said they knew he goes, I knew these guys
<v Speaker 4>from cub Scouts, baseball and church. That betrayal cuts.
<v Speaker 3>Deep, it does, That's true. Okay.
<v Speaker 4>Next song on the album is called Collection of Goods.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I feel like you're already being defensive and I
<v Speaker 3>haven't even said anything.
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, This one I moved past pretty quickly.
<v Speaker 3>Oh jeez, yeah, this one. I started looking. I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>how many more songs are on the album this?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is not my favorite song.
<v Speaker 3>This is skipper for me for sure.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right, let's get on past that one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>let's let's jump past all right. Next song on the
<v Speaker 4>albums song called.
<v Speaker 5>Bleeds Loaded now gues.
<v Speaker 3>I love the intro on this one. They're tapping into
<v Speaker 3>the who right, this is Pete Townsend all over the place.
<v Speaker 3>But then they leave that behind and the rest of
<v Speaker 3>the song is not as interesting as that intro was.
<v Speaker 4>I love this song. This is a top three song
<v Speaker 4>on the album for me.
<v Speaker 2>Lead.
<v Speaker 4>I absolutely love it. I think it's fantastic. I think
<v Speaker 4>the guitar solo is amazing in this Everything is good
<v Speaker 4>except for the one word chorus. It loses its punch
<v Speaker 4>because he just says lead.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, yeah, But.
<v Speaker 4>The story behind this song blows my socks off. Do
<v Speaker 4>you know the story behind this one?
<v Speaker 3>Tell me?
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we talked about how Ed's dad is a pastor, Right,
<v Speaker 4>so when you're a pastor, people come to you for
<v Speaker 4>spiritual advice. You got problems. I need some help with this.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not doing well. Can you help me? He said
<v Speaker 4>His dad wasn't at home one day and a girl
<v Speaker 4>came to the house and was going to commit suicide.
<v Speaker 4>And Ed was like, my dad's not home, but I'll
<v Speaker 4>see what I can do. Wow, And so he sat
<v Speaker 4>down with her and kind of held her hand and
<v Speaker 4>talked her out of it. And this song was written
<v Speaker 4>about that moment.
<v Speaker 3>Dang. So that's the.
<v Speaker 4>Lyrics say, I don't know why she cries to me.
<v Speaker 4>She keeps her pain as company, but it's only time
<v Speaker 4>before we all must plead. Absolutely one of my favorite
<v Speaker 4>songs on the album.
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely love it.
<v Speaker 4>Ed himself said he was disappointed with the final version
<v Speaker 4>of the song yeah, but yet liked it too much
<v Speaker 4>to leave it off. So, okay, last song on the album,
<v Speaker 4>yeah songs called Reunion.
<v Speaker 2>Change will come It changes here.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, this is the most Gospelly, most Southern Baptist song
<v Speaker 4>on the entire album.
<v Speaker 3>Really, I was thinking Pink Floyd. Really, Yes, Yeah, we's
<v Speaker 3>got a comfortable numb, comfortably numb. There's definitely got that
<v Speaker 3>gospel chorus behind it. Yeah, I mean it's and it's
<v Speaker 3>definitely not Pink Floyd. It's it's definitely a collective soul
<v Speaker 3>take on that sound. But whatever it is, I like it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Oh I'm coming.
<v Speaker 3>It's a good way to end the album for sure.
<v Speaker 4>I agree.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm thinking back to this last track where you
<v Speaker 3>were like, it didn't come out the way that he
<v Speaker 3>wanted it to. We haven't talked to I mean usually,
<v Speaker 3>you know, when a band gets signed, they're like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>who do we put these guys with? You know, Weezer
<v Speaker 3>got to go with Rick Ocasek, you know, and Live
<v Speaker 3>got to go with the guy from Talking Heads, Jerry Harrison.
<v Speaker 3>And with this one, this guy is that is listed
<v Speaker 3>as the producer is Matt Surlydick. He would go on
<v Speaker 3>to do lots of stuff. I mean, he worked with
<v Speaker 3>a ton of fantastic bands, Matchbox twenty, I worked with
<v Speaker 3>David Cook to help him win the American Idol thing.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's a prolific guy. But at the time
<v Speaker 3>he was just like a jazz musician in a jazz band.
<v Speaker 4>That Ed Roland knew and liked and trusted. Okay, Ed
<v Speaker 4>is really the one that produced this album. He just
<v Speaker 4>had that there with.
<v Speaker 3>Him to be the one, you know, to be honest
<v Speaker 3>with him and help guide him through the process because
<v Speaker 3>most important quality he trusted him. And on the Pink
<v Speaker 3>Floyd note, Matt Serlidick, remember that movie of the Faculty
<v Speaker 3>from like back.
<v Speaker 4>In the ninety ninety Yes, you remember.
<v Speaker 3>How the supergroup Class of ninety nine covered another Brick
<v Speaker 3>in the Wall. Yes, he was a member of that supergroup. Wow, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there you go. So we talked about how this song
<v Speaker 3>is really ninety five, but we cheated it back into
<v Speaker 3>ninety four because of the incredible success of Shine and
<v Speaker 3>I mean heck. They we mentioned in one of our
<v Speaker 3>previous episodes were they were at Woodstock ninety four, were
<v Speaker 3>playing with Live, playing with kings X. You said they
<v Speaker 3>were following kings X around in King's X. Finally, it's like,
<v Speaker 3>what do you guys want? We just really like your band.
<v Speaker 2>That's great.
<v Speaker 3>We just wanted to hang out with you.
<v Speaker 4>That is too cool.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So they were there. They were there when the
<v Speaker 3>mud slinging. Actually, I don't know if they were there
<v Speaker 3>when the mud slinging happened. I don't know if though
<v Speaker 3>this were the same day or not. But you got
<v Speaker 3>to think these guys a month earlier weren't even a
<v Speaker 3>band together, and then they're playing in front of hundreds
<v Speaker 3>of thousands of people.
<v Speaker 4>So just a few more notes on Shine. This song
<v Speaker 4>hit number eleven in August of ninety four. Do you
<v Speaker 4>want to hear the ten songs that are better than Shine?
<v Speaker 3>You know? I do?
<v Speaker 4>Okay? Number ten bad?
<v Speaker 3>Wait? Wait if Ace of Bass is on here, I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to eat my shoe.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, get out your fork and night thoughts because it's
<v Speaker 4>a list of all that crappy hop stuff, right, Okay?
<v Speaker 4>So number ten is back and Forth by Ailiah. Number
<v Speaker 4>nine is Regulate by Warren.
<v Speaker 3>G Yeah we heard them last week.
<v Speaker 4>Number eight is any Time, any Place by Janet Jackson
<v Speaker 4>No Again. Number seven is Don't turn Around by Asa Basse.
<v Speaker 4>Number six is Functified by de Bratt.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, that was on that list too.
<v Speaker 4>Number five is can You Feel the Love Tonight by
<v Speaker 4>Ellen John. Number four is Wild Night by John Cougar.
<v Speaker 4>Number three is Fantastic Voyage by Coolio. Number two is
<v Speaker 4>I Swear by All for One. I told you man,
<v Speaker 4>They just spent like a few months there at the
<v Speaker 4>number one spot, and number one is Stay by Lisa.
<v Speaker 3>Lobe Disappointing America.
<v Speaker 4>I got. I got a couple of those stories for
<v Speaker 4>you on this Okay. So in the song Shine, you
<v Speaker 4>have the breakdown and you have the big yeah right,
<v Speaker 4>it says, I've been playing that song in concert for
<v Speaker 4>thirty years now, and I've never once said yeah, because
<v Speaker 4>the crowd, that's their job. They do the yes right.
<v Speaker 2>That's great, But.
<v Speaker 4>He said, when I was recording the song Shine, I
<v Speaker 4>didn't have any fancy equipment, and so in order to
<v Speaker 4>kind of get that vocal effect, I took the toilet
<v Speaker 4>paper roll out of the bathroom and spoke through the
<v Speaker 4>toilet paper roll to say yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Effective.
<v Speaker 4>Last story I got for you, I Collector Soul. He's
<v Speaker 4>having dinner. He's a he's a sports guy. He's at
<v Speaker 4>dinner with a bunch of baseball players. They're in Arizona.
<v Speaker 4>His dad calls him while they're eating dinner. He answers
<v Speaker 4>the phone. He's like, Dad, what's going on? He's like,
<v Speaker 4>are you watching David Letterman? He's like, first of all, no, Secondly,
<v Speaker 4>why are you up so late watching David Letterman? His
<v Speaker 4>dad says, Dolly Parton is on David Letterman and she's
<v Speaker 4>singing Shine. Last ed was like you talk about flattered.
<v Speaker 4>He goes, one of the greatest songwriters on the planet
<v Speaker 4>thinks enough of our song to perform it on David Letterman.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love Dolly Parton's gonna if she finds a
<v Speaker 3>religious bent in the song, she's gonna grab onto it.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, she does a great job with this one. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I got one more story for you. Okay, So how
<v Speaker 3>he met his second wife. We've now had three stories
<v Speaker 3>where he's friends with the jocks, right, like, that's how
<v Speaker 3>he got his guitar. That's who he's hanging out with it.
<v Speaker 3>When his dad calls him to tell him Dolly Parton's
<v Speaker 3>playing Shine. I guess he lived in like the same
<v Speaker 3>apartment complex as one of these guys. I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 3>professional athlete and professional musician. They got a nice place
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. But he said, I was raised in the South.
<v Speaker 3>I'd just leave my door open.
<v Speaker 4>And he said, so, some of these football.
<v Speaker 3>Guys would get hurt and need a place to stay,
<v Speaker 3>and they would go over to this other guy's house.
<v Speaker 3>And I guess he didn't, you know, and keep it
<v Speaker 3>up or whatever. And so he'd be like, well, go
<v Speaker 3>go over to Ed's house. He's got a good TV.
<v Speaker 3>Go hang out of there. And so he just made
<v Speaker 3>friends with all of these professional football players and so
<v Speaker 3>then it became like Ed was just the kind of
<v Speaker 3>go to guy whenever friends and family were coming into
<v Speaker 3>town or needed something done. And so one day he
<v Speaker 3>gets a call from one of these guys and they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>I got a couple of friends. They're coming by to
<v Speaker 3>pick up the tickets I left him for you to
<v Speaker 3>give to him or whatever, right, and he's like, okay, cool,
<v Speaker 3>and he's thinking, it's just, you know, a couple of
<v Speaker 3>dudes coming by, and so he's hanging out in his
<v Speaker 3>boxers and he gets the doorbell ring and he opens
<v Speaker 3>the door and it's this lady and she's with a date.
<v Speaker 3>But he was like struck by how good looking she was. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>and so I guess he got hit her number in
<v Speaker 3>that process, and like they leave. He leaves and goes
<v Speaker 3>in tours Europe for a little while and comes back
<v Speaker 3>and then he immediately calls her up and it's like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>I really would like to you know, I'd like to
<v Speaker 3>see you. Would you like to go watch a show
<v Speaker 3>with me, you know. And so she's like no, and
<v Speaker 3>he said because she he said, she has no idea
<v Speaker 3>about pop culture. She had no idea who I was, right, right,
<v Speaker 3>And so he says, I wasn't gonna let it go.
<v Speaker 3>So I said, I tell you what, I'm going to
<v Speaker 3>go to the bar downstairs. I'll see you when you
<v Speaker 3>get there. And he went down there nice and he
<v Speaker 3>waited for three hours and she showed up after three hours,
<v Speaker 3>and he said they have not been a part since then.
<v Speaker 4>It is all about persistence, right, Yes, I love this guy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>see really he really really is.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are at the end of our albums of
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety four Journey. Now we have a bonus episode
<v Speaker 3>coming next week where we're going to give you our
<v Speaker 3>top five songs that are not on any of these albums.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, because there were a huge amount of fan
<v Speaker 3>fantastic albums and songs that came out not Ace of
<v Speaker 3>Bass in nineteen ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>I would love to drop Ace of aase. Oh I
<v Speaker 4>will punch shot right in the couter anyway. But now
<v Speaker 4>that we've reached the end of five albums, we haven't
<v Speaker 4>we haven't done our you know which one's the best thing.
<v Speaker 2>Right right right.
<v Speaker 3>We gotta rank them.
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go first because I told you before we
<v Speaker 4>were recording tonight that this was just a little bit
<v Speaker 4>off Bullseye for me in ninety four, I was listening
<v Speaker 4>to Aerosmith and Van Halen and I got into Boston
<v Speaker 4>a little bit, so I knew the hits, I didn't
<v Speaker 4>know the deep cuts. So I've really enjoyed this process.
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad that we've spent five weeks in ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>So my number five album is Weezer like it. I
<v Speaker 4>enjoy them. I think they're fun band. I think there
<v Speaker 4>are other albums that were better than the Blue album
<v Speaker 4>for me personally. Number four on my list is Bush
<v Speaker 4>Love the hits, love the rock, love the grittiness. I
<v Speaker 4>didn't own it, and you've opened my eyes to it.
<v Speaker 4>Number three is Green Day. They wrote some banger songs
<v Speaker 4>that really impacted ninety four. Not a punk guy, but gosh,
<v Speaker 4>their pop melody sensibilities make that so enjoyable. Number two
<v Speaker 4>is Life, just some really great songs. I have a
<v Speaker 4>special space in my heart for the Oklahoma City song,
<v Speaker 4>the Oklama City bombing song, Lightning Crashes, and so I
<v Speaker 4>have a lot of love for that album. And then,
<v Speaker 4>of course, Collective Soul's Blue Album is one of my
<v Speaker 4>favorite albums from the nineties. It was never going to
<v Speaker 4>be knocked off its perch.
<v Speaker 3>D what do you got for me? Okay, Collective Soul.
<v Speaker 4>If we were talking about hints, allegations and things left unsaid.
<v Speaker 3>It would be higher on my list. As I said,
<v Speaker 3>I heard that song and it was a momentous moment
<v Speaker 3>for me. This album is good, the hits, the singles
<v Speaker 3>are all good, but it feels like they kind of
<v Speaker 3>knocked the edges.
<v Speaker 4>Off of the original album.
<v Speaker 3>That I enjoyed.
<v Speaker 4>I liked those edges at that time, and so that's
<v Speaker 4>why I'm putting it at number five.
<v Speaker 3>Number four for me is Green. I agree with you.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not much of a punk guy, and this is
<v Speaker 3>a commercial punk thing, but I mean, some of these
<v Speaker 3>songs are just they stand the test of time. At
<v Speaker 3>number three is the Weezer album. They had a sound
<v Speaker 3>that was incredibly unique, like all of these. We talked
<v Speaker 3>about ninety four being just this moment where everything that
<v Speaker 3>was big was different, and these guys took different to
<v Speaker 3>a new place. I mean, short of maybe Divo, which
<v Speaker 3>I was never a big fan of. I'd never seen
<v Speaker 3>a nerd band before, and to me, these guys gave
<v Speaker 3>me something that I was like, Wow, they've really come
<v Speaker 3>up with something new and unique. So I really like
<v Speaker 3>the Weezer Blue album, and then I'd go in with
<v Speaker 3>the two that were my albums from that era. Number
<v Speaker 3>two is sixteen Stone by Bush. It is fantastic album.
<v Speaker 3>I owned the album. We covered the songs and there
<v Speaker 3>are some songs that are maybe not skippers, but not
<v Speaker 3>great songs on the album, which is why Number one
<v Speaker 3>for me and I kind of saw this coming is
<v Speaker 3>Throwing Copper because there is literally not a bad song
<v Speaker 3>on the album. It's fantastic from beginning to end. Every
<v Speaker 3>single song is meaningful and I will sing along to
<v Speaker 3>every one of them as long as I live.
<v Speaker 4>This is why we do this podcast because we are
<v Speaker 4>not in agreement, and that's great, right and that's why
<v Speaker 4>we do it. But you have moved the needle for
<v Speaker 4>me on these albums, so we want to hear from you.
<v Speaker 4>What are your top five like this this little run
<v Speaker 4>from ninety four plus the Blue album. We have a
<v Speaker 4>collective Soul Blue album. There's two the blue album. That's true.
<v Speaker 4>That's true, So hit us up. We would love to
<v Speaker 4>hear from you. What's your top five of these albums
<v Speaker 4>that we've covered, guys.
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<v Speaker 3>just one little epilogue left, and that's next episode when
<v Speaker 3>we talk about the top five songs from nineteen ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>Come back next week for that epic top five