#23 | Free Energy, Plasma Weapons, and the Tech Decades Ahead of Its Time with Bob Greenyer

<v Speaker 1>Bob Green here, welcome back to Hardrew Sir. How are
<v Speaker 1>you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Doing very well? Yes, Ashton, thank you for having me.
<v Speaker 1>What is new in the world of cold fusion these days?
<v Speaker 1>Or sorry, low energy and nuclear reactions.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you could consider it cold because it's not at
<v Speaker 2>the sort of millions of degrees that hot fusionists would
<v Speaker 2>claim you need to do what is in their way
<v Speaker 2>view going on in the sun. However, we call it
<v Speaker 2>low energy nuclear reactions and have done for a while. Well,
<v Speaker 2>we're just about to come up to the conference next
<v Speaker 2>week in Marioka in Japan, and this is when international
<v Speaker 2>researchers in the field meet to discuss where they are.
<v Speaker 2>So next week I will be able to give you
<v Speaker 2>some right on the money updates. But going into the conference,
<v Speaker 2>it does seem like Clean Planet in Japan are one
<v Speaker 2>of the leaders. They are one of the major hosts
<v Speaker 2>and sponsors of the conference this year, so I'm really
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to hanging out with with Iwamura and seeing
<v Speaker 2>what he has to say. They have devices which they
<v Speaker 2>hope to put into production in the coming years. These
<v Speaker 2>are based on lead, very thin layers of materials, and
<v Speaker 2>they're passing touterium through it, and they have a manufacturing process.
<v Speaker 2>They have a huge number of patents. Now these patents
<v Speaker 2>can be design patents, they can be how they make
<v Speaker 2>the particular lead structures and so forth, rather than the
<v Speaker 2>overall process. They have the hypothesis of the process, and
<v Speaker 2>that often comes from different Japanese but really they're looking
<v Speaker 2>for a technology that will lead to safe generation of power.
<v Speaker 2>So that's on the major Japanese side. We have a
<v Speaker 2>couple of players that are in the UK and I
<v Speaker 2>think in Portugal or maybe I don't know where they are,
<v Speaker 2>and these are coming out of the Anatoli Klimov and
<v Speaker 2>I believe you it interviewed one of them recently.
<v Speaker 1>Did you check out the interview that I did with them?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very good. Yeah, you engaged very well. It was
<v Speaker 2>a short but sweet demonstration of the technology. Obviously you
<v Speaker 2>can't necessarily judge it based on a video like that,
<v Speaker 2>but it's at least good that that is being put
<v Speaker 2>out there. What did you think of it?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought that For me, the three point zero
<v Speaker 1>or higher over unity, of course, is very impressive, but
<v Speaker 1>in this case, I think it was coming out in
<v Speaker 1>the form of heat, which it presents another challenge because
<v Speaker 1>now you need to do something else to it to
<v Speaker 1>make it into usable energy. But I thought everything that
<v Speaker 1>he said to me, explained to me from the science perspective,
<v Speaker 1>made sense from my own background and research, and he
<v Speaker 1>kind of also led me onto this idea of brilliant
<v Speaker 1>light power, which connects this concept of negative energy and
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy as well. So for me, it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>even so much just the demonstration and understanding it. I
<v Speaker 1>was kind of going back and forth in terms of
<v Speaker 1>like how confident I was in the commercialization of it.
<v Speaker 1>Then when I got to the part where he was
<v Speaker 1>explaining the science, I went, Okay, well, I know this
<v Speaker 1>guy understands how to do it or the ideas behind it.
<v Speaker 1>It's just a matter of like how close that was.
<v Speaker 1>That was my view.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so it's kind of a it's it's not
<v Speaker 2>the best version of that technology that they're on their
<v Speaker 2>road to understanding it, but they are working hard and
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to be really good with engaging with the
<v Speaker 2>community that's not just outside of Lenna, but even within
<v Speaker 2>Lena to try and both support them and promote them,
<v Speaker 2>which which is nice to see a member of the
<v Speaker 2>community that's actually trying to lift up other members of
<v Speaker 2>the community. There's their system is based on a plasma vortex,
<v Speaker 2>so they have a high speed jet going in there
<v Speaker 2>and they have a discharge between two electrodes. It's normally
<v Speaker 2>using metal nanoparticles which essentially become part of the fuel
<v Speaker 2>and they transmitt to other elements. You can look at
<v Speaker 2>that through using optical spectrometry and during the live part
<v Speaker 2>of the experiment, or you could look at it using
<v Speaker 2>various post experiment analytical techniques, both of which Klimov has done.
<v Speaker 2>In the many presentations that Klimov has done, he showed
<v Speaker 2>transmutation of elements, and those transmutation of elements would suggest
<v Speaker 2>the production of excess heat in the formation. So not
<v Speaker 2>only do you have the observance of excess heat, you
<v Speaker 2>have at least on a how should we put it
<v Speaker 2>this a fifty thousand foot view, something that could potentially
<v Speaker 2>explain where the excess heat is coming from. In terms
<v Speaker 2>of brilliant light power, they have claimed although they did
<v Speaker 2>Lena as it was cold fusion back in this sort
<v Speaker 2>of early nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety one days,
<v Speaker 2>they actually had a think company or Randall Mills, who's
<v Speaker 2>the main proponent there. He had a thing called Thermocor,
<v Speaker 2>and they had this thing where they had what they
<v Speaker 2>called the thermocore meltdown. So they had some as far
<v Speaker 2>as I understand it, amount of powder they put some
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen in, became very hot and had an ejection from
<v Speaker 2>the device. Although they say it's very hot because they
<v Speaker 2>saw part of the reactor turn orange and then a
<v Speaker 2>failure of the containment. Later on, they said, there's no
<v Speaker 2>low ingeniic reactions going on, and this is taking the
<v Speaker 2>normal ground state of hydrogen and reducing it to a
<v Speaker 2>half or a fourth or an eighth or down to well, so.
<v Speaker 1>Let me jump in because I think in either scenario
<v Speaker 1>it seems like the big hurdle is figuring out what
<v Speaker 1>is the root cause that's allowing you know, this reaction
<v Speaker 1>where we have coefficient and performance greater than one, this
<v Speaker 1>excess energy, whether it's heat or whatever. Because I also
<v Speaker 1>reached out to Random Mills afterwards and got kind of
<v Speaker 1>very short responses from him. I also was reached out
<v Speaker 1>to by somebody that worked with Random Mills and had
<v Speaker 1>written a book about it. Oh, totally believes in the techechnology,
<v Speaker 1>but the impression I got from them in general was
<v Speaker 1>a very you know, they were on their high horse
<v Speaker 1>looking down, which I thought was kind of wild considering
<v Speaker 1>they've put out no commercial products in thirty years. And
<v Speaker 1>to me, the only thing, the only conclusion I could
<v Speaker 1>come to is they haven't really figured out what the
<v Speaker 1>root causes. Because the moment you figure out how it works,
<v Speaker 1>you should be able to crack it instantly. And that's
<v Speaker 1>what I think all of them are really doing, is
<v Speaker 1>that they see something and they know they can recreate
<v Speaker 1>the anomalous thing, and they're trying to find other ways
<v Speaker 1>to make the anomalost thing occur, but they haven't figured
<v Speaker 1>out what is the secret sauce that's making it occur,
<v Speaker 1>because then that would allow them to engineer it at
<v Speaker 1>any level.
<v Speaker 2>Is that what is the key word there? You said anomous?
<v Speaker 2>And it's in fact the anomalies that the extreme anomalies
<v Speaker 2>that are the most telling of what process potentially is.
<v Speaker 2>And in Randall Mills's research, they had tungsten and they
<v Speaker 2>lived in them X electrodes basically disappear or fail or
<v Speaker 2>containment fail. And they also had metal containment where they
<v Speaker 2>would get a little orange spot glowing and then it
<v Speaker 2>would start to bleed out the internals. Now that doesn't
<v Speaker 2>make any sense because orange isn't hot enough, or yellow
<v Speaker 2>rather as it looked in the videos, isn't hot enough
<v Speaker 2>for these things to become fluid and fail so quickly.
<v Speaker 2>And I have openly made a request to analyze these materials,
<v Speaker 2>and it's been very clear for many years that I
<v Speaker 2>would like to analyze these. So if Randall Mills, if
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at this now, I would like to analyze
<v Speaker 2>those failed components, because I suspect we're going to see
<v Speaker 2>things that we see in other technologies. So in the
<v Speaker 2>for instance, in the Sapphire group, which is now called
<v Speaker 2>orient Energy, they had some double layers set up, and
<v Speaker 2>this is a special type of plasma configuration, and when
<v Speaker 2>they were trying to measure the thermal temperature as you
<v Speaker 2>go through those double layers or the field strengths, they
<v Speaker 2>had this thing called a Lagna probe, and it was
<v Speaker 2>like eleventh dollars And they have a video where they're
<v Speaker 2>inserting this probe in and like in one frame of
<v Speaker 2>the video, the whole thing disappears. It just disappears. And
<v Speaker 2>again it's tungsten, and tungsten has a long history from
<v Speaker 2>Irving Langmuir himself developing the tungsten filament light bulb where
<v Speaker 2>it seems to fall apart. There was a guy called
<v Speaker 2>David Hudson who came up with the thing called Ormus,
<v Speaker 2>where he had a thumb sized tungsten electrode and he
<v Speaker 2>was putting it into a like it's an electric arc
<v Speaker 2>furnace where you're meant to be able to melt even
<v Speaker 2>refractory materials, and the whole tungsten electrode disappeared. It's meant
<v Speaker 2>to be good for a thousand type of meltings. And
<v Speaker 2>outside of the device and in the room he was
<v Speaker 2>he had things behind him made of glass that kind
<v Speaker 2>of fragmented and fell apart. He did this twice, and
<v Speaker 2>did twice and realized this is going to be too expensive.
<v Speaker 1>So if I could summarize, I mean, really what you're saying,
<v Speaker 1>they're doing these experiments with plasma and it's eating metals away.
<v Speaker 1>They're just disappearing, and you got a very good price. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>that's a very good price. Is eating the containment system.
<v Speaker 1>It's eating the cathode or anoid or whatever it is.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's eating the material components of the experiment
<v Speaker 1>and they're going, Okay, how do we even do this experiment?
<v Speaker 1>It's eating the stuff away, corroding it away. So obviously
<v Speaker 1>there's something that almost going on, and then we're trying
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to do it. The reason why
<v Speaker 1>I bring that up is that I've thought a lot
<v Speaker 1>about that is that when I look at all these experiments,
<v Speaker 1>the commonality seems to be that the experimental energy generation
<v Speaker 1>device or containment falls apart. Like that's what seems to
<v Speaker 1>be the big problem in these tokemacs as well, and
<v Speaker 1>they can't keep them running for a very long time
<v Speaker 1>because it eats it apart. So the solution to that
<v Speaker 1>would be, don't have the containment device. Make a bubble
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't have a containment device, right, And this kind
<v Speaker 1>of goes back to that mads Toe some zero videos
<v Speaker 1>because like we're looking at it in those videos, it's
<v Speaker 1>not a matter of like theory. We're looking at it.
<v Speaker 1>We're looking at balls of plasma that are doing that.
<v Speaker 2>You are absolutely on the right line. So there's a
<v Speaker 2>guy called Chukanov, Kiril Chukanov, and he created a very
<v Speaker 2>large microwave based sort of ball lightning chamber and he
<v Speaker 2>used fused quartz in sphere. And the interesting thing about
<v Speaker 2>ball lightning is it does seem to charge the air
<v Speaker 2>around it. And if you charge, if you have a
<v Speaker 2>charged object and you have fused quarts that's also charge,
<v Speaker 2>then the charge those two mutual charges will repel. And
<v Speaker 2>so you can confine the ball lightning inside this fused quartz.
<v Speaker 2>And he calls it a coherent is like a macro
<v Speaker 2>coherent object in his patterns. And what he does is
<v Speaker 2>he uses for instance electric or sorry electromagnet or magnetic
<v Speaker 2>fields to stress the coherent structure in order that it
<v Speaker 2>gives off light by interacting with a quantum coherent blob
<v Speaker 2>that is the ball light There's a lot of interesting
<v Speaker 2>material to go and look at with ca chu Kanov's
<v Speaker 2>investigation of those structures, and that, my friend, is the
<v Speaker 2>way you can find these things. Now that the problem
<v Speaker 2>is is they still break up and fire arount things
<v Speaker 2>which will destroy the fuse courts.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your confinement needs to be perfect, like absolute perfect confinement.
<v Speaker 1>You just have to not care about what you want
<v Speaker 1>on the outside. Yeah, you know, you don't care about
<v Speaker 1>what the side effects are, You don't care what it
<v Speaker 1>is spitting out, and then that makes me wonder then
<v Speaker 1>about the double layer plasma. So there might to me
<v Speaker 1>there must be a connection because if you figured out
<v Speaker 1>the confinement, the theory is then that you figured out
<v Speaker 1>how to control the magnetic fields in a perfect fashion.
<v Speaker 1>And then if you can do that, then you can separate,
<v Speaker 1>you can your double layer plasma. I believe you're referring
<v Speaker 1>to separate charges that have been separated out where there on.
<v Speaker 2>What that is the double layer specifically, But there is
<v Speaker 2>other ways to deal with these plasmas and and to
<v Speaker 2>force them to not get too greedy with materials. And
<v Speaker 2>it seems to be the carbon is the key, because
<v Speaker 2>the structures themselves they produce carbon, and they because carbon
<v Speaker 2>is diamagnetic, it appears to orbit around parts of the structure,
<v Speaker 2>and the outside of the structure on the overall structure
<v Speaker 2>does appear to potentially have self similar structures are trying
<v Speaker 2>that are kind of bound around the outside, and if
<v Speaker 2>they're making carbon, it kind of makes a shield. And
<v Speaker 2>I suggested carbon for two reasons, those about its diamagnetic nature,
<v Speaker 2>but also because it was the only thing that Nicola
<v Speaker 2>Tesla found could survive bombardment of etheric matter. Raise and
<v Speaker 2>so if it makes it, if the structures make it,
<v Speaker 2>then if it goes into it, it just makes more
<v Speaker 2>of the same, or it just goes in and it
<v Speaker 2>comes out. And in fact, with all this different plasma
<v Speaker 2>vortex reactors being developed outside of Russia and Klimov being
<v Speaker 2>stuck inside Russia, in a recent presentation he said that
<v Speaker 2>actually we've replaced using metal nanoparticles as the fuel and
<v Speaker 2>we're just using carbon. And in fact, you can tell
<v Speaker 2>which carbon form he's using because he says that we
<v Speaker 2>actually produced a laser in our plasma vortex reactor and
<v Speaker 2>it was a carbon carbon bond laser without any charge pumping,
<v Speaker 2>without any mirrors or you know, chamber. And he showed
<v Speaker 2>a video and the video frame had a date down
<v Speaker 2>the bottom and it was two thousand and one.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, let me show you, because now we're talking about this,
<v Speaker 1>my thought is, well, what's the next thing? So not
<v Speaker 1>just confinement that you want to get rid of if
<v Speaker 1>you're really going for a perfect fusion, Confinement's one thing.
<v Speaker 1>The next thing is no fuel source, Like I don't
<v Speaker 1>want to have to have a tank or I have
<v Speaker 1>to pump something into it either. And the thing I've
<v Speaker 1>run across is well, why don't we just use the air?
<v Speaker 1>Can we just use the air for that?
<v Speaker 2>That's what bull lighting does, right, actual natural ball lightning,
<v Speaker 2>that's what it does.
<v Speaker 1>So listen, look, listen to what this paper this is
<v Speaker 1>from Air Breathing Magneto Hydrodynamics DIRD that's out there. And
<v Speaker 1>when it talks about endothermic fuel conversion here it talks
<v Speaker 1>about using a mixture of a hybrid hydrocarbon fuel. But
<v Speaker 1>it says that it says here at the bottom that
<v Speaker 1>this would require no need to carry hydrogen from the takeoff.
<v Speaker 2>To me hydrogen in the hydrocarbon.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so how are they doing in this theory? Here?
<v Speaker 2>Is the catalytic cracking is that if you've got thermic
<v Speaker 2>catalytic cracking, let let's say you've got iron and basically
<v Speaker 2>you are able to crack say propane, which is what
<v Speaker 2>what Klimov was using in these systems into hydrogen and
<v Speaker 2>carbon carbon and so you get you end up with
<v Speaker 2>your hydrogen. And hydrogen is beautiful because it has no
<v Speaker 2>binding energy in its nucleon. Why because it doesn't have
<v Speaker 2>any nucleons. That's proteum that is just a single proton.
<v Speaker 2>So there's no binding energy to pull it apart. It's
<v Speaker 2>already a thing you can work with. It itself has
<v Speaker 2>its own to royal moment, and as an H star
<v Speaker 2>that is atomic hydrogen. When it's not as an H two,
<v Speaker 2>then it has a magnetic moment, and so does a proton.
<v Speaker 2>So proton and a proton with electron have magnetic moments.
<v Speaker 2>H two doesn't. But it means if you've got a
<v Speaker 2>magneto hydrodynamic structure, magneto magneto magnetic moment, it can be
<v Speaker 2>pulled in and used as fuel. And it's absolutely critical
<v Speaker 2>with that and oxygen because oxygen sixteen and oxygen ozone
<v Speaker 2>and atomic oxygen all are paramagnetic as well, and so
<v Speaker 2>they are uniquely paramagnetic. So oxygen and hydrogen pulling that in,
<v Speaker 2>you actually have a ready fuel source right there in
<v Speaker 2>the air.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so I mean, let me pull us back
<v Speaker 1>up again. I think we're cracking it right here. So
<v Speaker 1>this is this is actually from the AJAX. This is
<v Speaker 1>from the Russia's secret hypersonic plane in like the seventies,
<v Speaker 1>and they basically he says right here, this part is
<v Speaker 1>probably very meaningful and probably viable. The next part is
<v Speaker 1>MHD energy bypass. This is perhaps the most controversial part.
<v Speaker 1>An MHD energy or generator extracts energy from the air
<v Speaker 1>upstream of the scramjet combustor. Energy by let me finish.
<v Speaker 1>This energy bypasses the combustor and is put back into
<v Speaker 1>the flow via the MHD accelerated place downstream of the combustor.
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead.
<v Speaker 2>So just before we get into this, early on in
<v Speaker 2>my experience working with learned in your Reactions, I got
<v Speaker 2>a message and I'm kind of like, yeah, if someone
<v Speaker 2>wants to talk to me, let's do it. And this
<v Speaker 2>guy seemed to be fairly serious in military circles or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>I actually can't remember, but I could look through him
<v Speaker 2>on materials and find out who it was. He invited
<v Speaker 2>me to a meeting with him. Thought all right, fine,
<v Speaker 2>and I actually paid to go to a hotel in
<v Speaker 2>West London I think it was or whatever. And I
<v Speaker 2>didn't know really what he wanted to talk about. I
<v Speaker 2>thought it was about knowing to nuclear reactions. And you
<v Speaker 2>know what, I went out sat down with him for
<v Speaker 2>a few hours. He wanted to talk about scramjits. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>yeat's see there we go.
<v Speaker 1>Why would you want to talk about scram jets. Oh well,
<v Speaker 1>it turns out air breathing magneto hydrodynamics scram jets are
<v Speaker 1>using this crazy like upstream energy extraction. I mean, doesn't
<v Speaker 1>this read like they're just pulling the fuel right out
<v Speaker 1>of the air? Is that reason?
<v Speaker 2>The thing is about soloton. It moves material out a ring, soloton,
<v Speaker 2>a vortex soloton, a ring, you know, like a smoke ring.
<v Speaker 2>It moves things out of its forward path, hauls it round,
<v Speaker 2>and it actually goes up its arms and it actually
<v Speaker 2>feeds the process. So you have a ready fuel right
<v Speaker 2>in front of you all the time you're moving forward, okay,
<v Speaker 2>And it is the thing that moves you forward. And
<v Speaker 2>so if you have a magneto hydrodynamic structure and it's
<v Speaker 2>able to disassemble that matter, and I guess in front
<v Speaker 2>of you are going to have things like nitrogen, oxygen
<v Speaker 2>and a little bit of water vapor, you literally have
<v Speaker 2>fuel ready to work with.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this sounds like exactly what we're seeing with
<v Speaker 1>those orbs. Perhaps the most basic problem with MHD bypass,
<v Speaker 1>pointed out by doctor Riggins, is that the power the
<v Speaker 1>propulsion power cycle runs direction opposite to that dictated by thermodynamics. Indeed,
<v Speaker 1>any thermodynamic correct heat into power conversion cycle has work
<v Speaker 1>addition prior to heat addition, and the work extraction follows
<v Speaker 1>from the preheat a edition. This is why air is
<v Speaker 1>compressed upstream of a combustor in all normal propulsion cycles,
<v Speaker 1>whether the compressor in a turbojet or a compression ramp
<v Speaker 1>upstream of the scramjet combustor. In this sense, MHD power
<v Speaker 1>extract before enter air enters the scramjet combustor, followed by
<v Speaker 1>MSG power addition after the combustor constitutes a thermodynamically quote
<v Speaker 1>unquote wrong and thus inferior propulsion systems. But then basically
<v Speaker 1>says that even though this doesn't seem like it should
<v Speaker 1>be a real thing that we can do, that it
<v Speaker 1>actually is going to end up working out. And so
<v Speaker 1>if this is true, they found a way to basically
<v Speaker 1>unconventionally reverse the thermodynamic process in an engine, right. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>they're pulling energy from the air in front of them,
<v Speaker 1>and they're using it and then they're re I don't
<v Speaker 1>even know if they're even adding the energy back, they're
<v Speaker 1>using that energy. It seems like as part of.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but are we missing something that might actually be
<v Speaker 2>gaining of other energy forms. That is to say, if
<v Speaker 2>it disassembles some of the protons in the water, vapor
<v Speaker 2>in the air, or it fuses those with oxygen. We've
<v Speaker 2>observed in Benja and Hwang experiment which I published with
<v Speaker 2>Binder and Haang in Nature January twenty twenty four, and
<v Speaker 2>we've seen that then you're getting a huge fusion gain.
<v Speaker 2>If you are talking about disassembling the protons that are
<v Speaker 2>available in the air or the atoms, you're talking about
<v Speaker 2>a much larger game. And this is what these systems
<v Speaker 2>appear to do. They appear to disassemble matter. So you've
<v Speaker 2>basically got as much energy as you could possibly want,
<v Speaker 2>and you only need to have an extremely inefficient process
<v Speaker 2>to give you a huge gain, much more than you're
<v Speaker 2>going to get from any chemical Now, what do I
<v Speaker 2>mean by that? If you take two hydrogen bonds, that's
<v Speaker 2>basically the most energy you're going to get out of
<v Speaker 2>any normal chemical reaction. So the two hydrogen monotomic hydrogen
<v Speaker 2>atomic hydrohen you fuse those to H two, that's the
<v Speaker 2>most chemical energy and you're talking less than a round
<v Speaker 2>four and a half electron volts. Right. If you disassemble
<v Speaker 2>the proton. You're getting nine hundred and thirty eight million
<v Speaker 2>electron folts. So you only need to do that once
<v Speaker 2>in a blue moon, and you're getting far far more
<v Speaker 2>energy per proton than you are fro taking two protons
<v Speaker 2>and chemically bonding. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying they found a way where it's way, way,
<v Speaker 1>way more efficient than.
<v Speaker 2>Why yeah, wait, it's one hundred it's over one hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty times more energy per nucleon infusion.
<v Speaker 1>See that sounds exactly what Tom Bearden was saying about
<v Speaker 1>tickling the vacuum is that he speaks to this idea
<v Speaker 1>of adding a little bit of energy in to get
<v Speaker 1>into this process to get this huge amount of energy
<v Speaker 1>back out, and we have to be looking for something
<v Speaker 1>that's completely unconventional to our standard way of thinking. And
<v Speaker 1>then boom there you go. Oh, by the way, there's
<v Speaker 1>this scramjet like reverse endo thermic process that they've figured
<v Speaker 1>out where they're sucking the energy in. Wow, that's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you just to change gears a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>So I want to go back to the fusion reactor stuff,
<v Speaker 1>because the more I read and learn about this, the
<v Speaker 1>more I'm like what is going on with this, like
<v Speaker 1>public Fusion push. I just saw these promos for Commonwealth
<v Speaker 1>Fusion talking about they're building their new tokemac and these
<v Speaker 1>three companies just released their papers for new stelerator designs
<v Speaker 1>all at the same time. One of them is funded
<v Speaker 1>by Bill Gates and I'm sitting there going them was just.
<v Speaker 2>One of them.
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, they might all.
<v Speaker 2>Be funded by friends and buddies of Bill Gates exactly.
<v Speaker 1>And this is really important to bring up because even
<v Speaker 1>when Sabine Hasenfelder is on doing YouTube and she's noticing
<v Speaker 1>that this doesn't make any sense. So she's going, these
<v Speaker 1>are private companies. Why are they just all publicly releasing
<v Speaker 1>their designs all at the same time. You know, It's
<v Speaker 1>almost like they have something better behind the scenes. And
<v Speaker 1>I just there go. I'm looking at, you know, these
<v Speaker 1>balls of plasma that might be using this endothermic stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going they had to have figured this out
<v Speaker 1>like a long time ago. Now, would mean that all
<v Speaker 1>this stuff publicly is just like a show. It's just
<v Speaker 1>all fake.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, Okay, we're going to roll out the next
<v Speaker 1>version of the iPhone in twenty twenty seven, and now
<v Speaker 1>the next version is gonna be in twenty twenty eight, right,
<v Speaker 1>but they could be jumping like weaps and bounds ahead,
<v Speaker 1>but it's all just scheduled, like, Okay, first Tokamac reactors
<v Speaker 1>will be in thirty five to forty, and then we'll
<v Speaker 1>go to the stellar Rader design, and then by twenty
<v Speaker 1>two point fifty we'll finally give them the real fusion
<v Speaker 1>that we had back in twenty twenty five. You know
<v Speaker 1>what it is, in your opinion, you know.
<v Speaker 2>What it is. It's hope. The last thing that's left
<v Speaker 2>in Pandora's box. Hope is something. It's an evil because
<v Speaker 2>hope stops people from motivating themselves to solve the problems
<v Speaker 2>that they could solve themselves if they clubbed together and
<v Speaker 2>try to solve it themselves. If you hope someone else
<v Speaker 2>is going to come in and save you, you think, well,
<v Speaker 2>why should I waste my time doing that? These people
<v Speaker 2>are going to come and save me. And what it
<v Speaker 2>does is it buys you more time with the current
<v Speaker 2>nonsense that you're trying to sell. You say, in fifty years, sorry,
<v Speaker 2>in twenty years, we're going to have fusion. In twenty years,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have fusion. Every twenty years, you just jump
<v Speaker 2>a generation and you keep giving this hope act, this
<v Speaker 2>evil of hope, and you don't find a solution, and
<v Speaker 2>the people that could find a solution go off and
<v Speaker 2>do other things because they think someone's got that in hair.
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's the main point here. Now, have
<v Speaker 2>they got something else? I would be disappointed, honestly if
<v Speaker 2>they haven't. If the kind of money that has been
<v Speaker 2>spent on research, if they couldn't find out what's frankly obvious,
<v Speaker 2>if you try and just look at nature, then I
<v Speaker 2>would think they didn't really hire the brightest buttons that
<v Speaker 2>they could have done basically. And it's a little bit
<v Speaker 2>weird because it does look like there's a concerted push
<v Speaker 2>and it reminds me of the early years of the
<v Speaker 2>Martin Weisman Memorial Project, where every time we would have
<v Speaker 2>a major announcement or something that we've been able to
<v Speaker 2>replicate or so forthw guys would also have a press
<v Speaker 2>release and every time someone typed in fusion, it would
<v Speaker 2>come up with their work rather than as it's lately,
<v Speaker 2>their pencil budget is probably more than we've spent in
<v Speaker 2>our entire time doing research, so that they could always
<v Speaker 2>have these things that flood the wires with the topic
<v Speaker 2>of fusion, and they're always the top lists. So it's
<v Speaker 2>a bit weird.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it feels very manufactured. And I think that
<v Speaker 1>you what comes hand in hand with this cover up
<v Speaker 1>of this fusion energy and breakthrough energy sources is obviously
<v Speaker 1>a very very orchestrated and implemented plan to dumb people
<v Speaker 1>down to not understand this science, because otherwise it wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>be possible to hide major breakthroughs in science like that.
<v Speaker 1>And that's the part where I think people will have
<v Speaker 1>a very very hard time accepting, you know, is that
<v Speaker 1>for that to be true, we have to be living
<v Speaker 1>in essentially a manufact actured reality where we're basically NPC's
<v Speaker 1>in a video game where someone's playing the sims and
<v Speaker 1>they're deciding like when they're going to put down the
<v Speaker 1>next thing, you know, when they're going to level up
<v Speaker 1>to the next tea.
<v Speaker 2>I described this as really most of humanity are puppets
<v Speaker 2>on the string, and it's just terrible to think that,
<v Speaker 2>but it is in my view true that they're always
<v Speaker 2>deferring to experts, they're never really choosing to think themselves.
<v Speaker 2>For the most part. And I know there's people that
<v Speaker 2>follow you and that follow my work who really do think.
<v Speaker 2>And I've had even people today writing to me with
<v Speaker 2>recent things I've said and said, why isn't this taught
<v Speaker 2>in schools. I'm starting to realize that, you know, things
<v Speaker 2>aren't as I thought they were. And that is difficult
<v Speaker 2>for someone because once someone learns what they think is
<v Speaker 2>the truth, they don't have to go through the effort
<v Speaker 2>of learning that it isn't. It's even harder than learning
<v Speaker 2>the first time, and so you have to indoctrinate eight
<v Speaker 2>people as soon as possible with the falsehood, and then
<v Speaker 2>you're pretty much good to go for the rest of
<v Speaker 2>the life. I think there's the Jewish people they say,
<v Speaker 2>give me your boy, and I'll give you your man
<v Speaker 2>back at seven.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to touch that one, just because there's
<v Speaker 1>various topics. I can't even despite.
<v Speaker 2>What I'm just saying. It's like, if you have convinced
<v Speaker 2>a person that this is the way the universe is,
<v Speaker 2>even by the age of seven, they will carry that
<v Speaker 2>through to their death.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely. And you know, it's easier to fool someone
<v Speaker 1>than to convince them that they have been fooled. I
<v Speaker 1>know that more than most people out there. Sorry, what
<v Speaker 1>I've been pushing out there absolutely easier to fool people.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the big thing too, is that
<v Speaker 1>you have to look at this from what lessons do
<v Speaker 1>we need to learn? It turns out this is going
<v Speaker 1>to even be bigger than like free energy, because we
<v Speaker 1>have to learn to think for ourselves. That's the hardest lesson, right,
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, I would say, I don't even know
<v Speaker 1>what percentage of people, but well over fifty percent of people.
<v Speaker 2>I think we've learned. I think we've learned how many
<v Speaker 2>in the last few years.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're exactly like you described as the people that
<v Speaker 1>have been And it's not really their own fault, but
<v Speaker 1>it's just very.
<v Speaker 2>Much humans are lazy. They tried to get as much
<v Speaker 2>as possible for their least amount of effort. They don't
<v Speaker 2>even understand how someone could be really, really wealthy when
<v Speaker 2>they've worked very hard. Oh sorry, they work really hard,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, but I think I work very hard, So
<v Speaker 2>why am I not wealthy? You know, it's also about
<v Speaker 2>efficiency and so it is difficult. It's not their fault
<v Speaker 2>and I constantly say this is not their faulty. You
<v Speaker 2>grow up in a family and you say your parents
<v Speaker 2>know the world, and then you go out into the
<v Speaker 2>world and you have all these different perspectives on how
<v Speaker 2>to live a life and stuff. When you thought the
<v Speaker 2>one that your parents were teaching you was the way
<v Speaker 2>to live a life, or the people that were at school,
<v Speaker 2>or the people in your church, or the people in
<v Speaker 2>your community, and you go to a different part of
<v Speaker 2>the world and they literally have a completely different way
<v Speaker 2>of thinking about life, and just that alone should teach
<v Speaker 2>people to think for themselves.
<v Speaker 1>Did you see? And I totally agree, And I just
<v Speaker 1>keep thinking about, like, how do we break that down?
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's you know, this is a propaganda
<v Speaker 1>war and we have to use every avenue that we find,
<v Speaker 1>which includes whenever this information is presented on major podcasts.
<v Speaker 1>And so I won't know if you saw like the
<v Speaker 1>hal Pudolph and Sunny White discussions with Joe Rogan, because
<v Speaker 1>the part with me that blew me away. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I felt like both those guys are definitely controlled disclosure.
<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna they know more than what they're saying
<v Speaker 1>on that.
<v Speaker 2>But I think the Sunny White was the more important one.
<v Speaker 2>I showed a small semiconductor which shows the process and
<v Speaker 2>it's scale invariant. So he was basically saying, look, this
<v Speaker 2>can be done, and it only takes a little leap
<v Speaker 2>of faith rather than not even faith, just concept in
<v Speaker 2>your mind to think, well, it can be done on
<v Speaker 2>this scale. It should be able to be done much larger.
<v Speaker 2>Now there I have one caveat with that. The larger
<v Speaker 2>structures are built fractally from smaller structures. The smaller structures
<v Speaker 2>are more stable, and I can go into why that is.
<v Speaker 2>But they the larger you make them, it relies on
<v Speaker 2>the overall coherence of the quanta that are smaller, and
<v Speaker 2>so making small makes sense actually.
<v Speaker 1>And that's where So just to reiterate there, because I
<v Speaker 1>think we didn't hit the exactly what we were talking about,
<v Speaker 1>which was that Sunny White showed a free energy microchip
<v Speaker 1>concept to Joe Rogan. I call it free energy, but
<v Speaker 1>technically the way they're saying is absorbing energy from the
<v Speaker 1>quantum vacuum. That's that's the resource that it's using. It
<v Speaker 1>is what they say. But it's a free energy microchip.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's producing energy from nothing. Okay, so you
<v Speaker 1>can perceive yeah, nothing we can work from basically, so yes,
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's got to be scaled down because the
<v Speaker 1>Casmir effect gets stronger and stronger and stronger the closer
<v Speaker 1>the plates come together. So what Bob is saying is
<v Speaker 1>that the smaller it gets, the more powerful the effect is. Therefore,
<v Speaker 1>the more force we can get, the more energy. But
<v Speaker 1>then you also want to scale it back up after
<v Speaker 1>you've gotten it down to your microchip at the ty
<v Speaker 1>these tiny scales where you have to use an electron
<v Speaker 1>microscope to even see how tiny they are, then you
<v Speaker 1>need to scale it back up. But it's not just
<v Speaker 1>as simple as like, oh, okay, make it the exact
<v Speaker 1>same thing, but bigger. It's like, now you have to
<v Speaker 1>take it into account like the overall shape and design
<v Speaker 1>of the array, of the microchip array itself, and like
<v Speaker 1>how do you line everything up, et cetera. So there
<v Speaker 1>are additional layers to the process.
<v Speaker 2>And then the other interesting thing is it will likely
<v Speaker 2>be producing a propulsive force as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's what's funny is that when you learn
<v Speaker 1>about free energy or zero point energy, you learn that
<v Speaker 1>there are three effects that are just tied to each other.
<v Speaker 1>They are because they all are produced from the same
<v Speaker 1>exact zero point energy. One of them is the free energy,
<v Speaker 1>because you're just extracting energy from the quantum vacuum. But
<v Speaker 1>when you do that, you change the local gravity. So
<v Speaker 1>when you change the local gravity, you're gonna get a
<v Speaker 1>propulsive force in whatever direction related to that extraction. And
<v Speaker 1>that's what Sonny White was showing that. That was the
<v Speaker 1>craziest part about his interview is he goes, oh, let me,
<v Speaker 1>let me say the third thing is you get temperature change.
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get a temperature drop because you're pulling energy
<v Speaker 1>out of the vacuum. So you get those two things.
<v Speaker 1>But then Sonny White has this weird cover story about, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I was doing this darper project to make this microchip,
<v Speaker 1>and we just decided to see if it looks like
<v Speaker 1>a warp bubble.
<v Speaker 2>What you just.
<v Speaker 1>Decided to do a side project while you were let's
<v Speaker 1>just see if it looks like a warp bubble. Wasn't
<v Speaker 1>part of the plan, but it just turned out to
<v Speaker 1>exactly look like a real warp bubble. And they designed
<v Speaker 1>the microchip like it looks like a little warp engine too.
<v Speaker 1>Like the little microchip design looks like a little warp drive.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going, okay, what's going on here, man? Something This
<v Speaker 1>is bizarre. So not only did he show a free
<v Speaker 1>energy microchip, but he was connecting it directly. The idea
<v Speaker 1>of that is negative energy too, that that extraction of
<v Speaker 1>energy is negative energy that you would use for your
<v Speaker 1>warper bubble. So just like you said, he tied the
<v Speaker 1>idea of free energy warp drive together without anyone even
<v Speaker 1>blinking an eye at that. And that's why people are going, Ashton,
<v Speaker 1>why don't you go build something and go Joe Rogan
<v Speaker 1>held a free energy microchip in his hand last week
<v Speaker 1>and the world didn't even blink about it.
<v Speaker 2>And again, this is a story of hope. So you
<v Speaker 2>think Sunny White's got this. The US have got it,
<v Speaker 2>so we don't need to worry about it because they're
<v Speaker 2>going to give it to us next week. You might
<v Speaker 2>not see that in a commercial technology in twenty thirty years.
<v Speaker 2>We have to take charge of this ourselves. And I
<v Speaker 2>had a guy called stoy and sarkerchip. He was one
<v Speaker 2>of the few people to replicate the hunches and effects,
<v Speaker 2>and he also created an enclosed electrostatic propulsion device on
<v Speaker 2>a pendulum. You can go and see videos of his work.
<v Speaker 2>But he taught me one thing that all energy comes
<v Speaker 2>from luring the distortion of the physical vacuum. So it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter whether you're jo taking two hydrogen tom hydroens
<v Speaker 2>and you're fusing them together, they will distort the physical
<v Speaker 2>vacuum less than the two atomic hydroens the H two
<v Speaker 2>molecule will. If you're taking two deuterons and you are
<v Speaker 2>fusing them at nuclear fusion to a helium atom, that
<v Speaker 2>distorts the physical vacuum even less. But you know what
<v Speaker 2>distorts the vacuum even less than fusing those just converting
<v Speaker 2>them into photons. There's low distortion. It's just a wave
<v Speaker 2>that comes out. And if you can convert them into
<v Speaker 2>photons and electrons, you have usable electrons which you can
<v Speaker 2>put to use, and photons can do ionization, and they
<v Speaker 2>can also be used in the photoelectric effect to create
<v Speaker 2>extra electrons to feed the thing that's doing the work.
<v Speaker 2>So there's nothing less than there's nothing more less that
<v Speaker 2>distorts the physical vacuum less than taking matter apart.
<v Speaker 1>And you know that reminds me of another aspect of it,
<v Speaker 1>which is this transduction from thermal energy to electrical energy.
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it's a well, I mean, well, let's say thermoelectric
<v Speaker 1>generator basically, yeah, thermal electric generation. Like I guess, I
<v Speaker 1>just don't see a lot about it in the commercial world,
<v Speaker 1>but it does certainly exists. It's known about it. I guess.
<v Speaker 2>I would say you can use it in reverse to
<v Speaker 2>make cloud chamber. You put power through it and it
<v Speaker 2>pulls energy out, so you can make you know.
<v Speaker 1>We generally think about using electricity to make or change temperature,
<v Speaker 1>but we generally don't think about using temperature changes to
<v Speaker 1>make electricity. And I just think that's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we do.
<v Speaker 2>That's the basic basis of the Carno cycle. So essentially,
<v Speaker 2>you have a hot area and a cold area and
<v Speaker 2>you have a heat flux, and this allows you to
<v Speaker 2>create power. This is the whole basis of a power station.
<v Speaker 2>You have hot steam, You've got to have a cold
<v Speaker 2>cooling tower. And in the process that flux going from
<v Speaker 2>the hot side and the high pressure steam to the
<v Speaker 2>low precious steam goes through turbines and it's that's that's
<v Speaker 2>the whole basis for creating power in many many sense.
<v Speaker 2>Is the thermo electric generator is kind of just a
<v Speaker 2>semiconductor that sits between a hot side and cold side
<v Speaker 2>and it generates direct electricity from them.
<v Speaker 1>So definitely that scramjet idea has solid merit for sure,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the thing that for me, it's like that
<v Speaker 1>what I was trying to get there is you did
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I want, is that I would connect the
<v Speaker 1>idea that really temperature change and electricity are much more
<v Speaker 1>closely connected than I would have just conceptually thought as
<v Speaker 1>somebody without understanding the science there. So it makes that
<v Speaker 1>a lot more possible in my mind. Now going back
<v Speaker 1>to the microstrip real quick, there's another one too, which
<v Speaker 1>is not just sunny white, which is why that blew
<v Speaker 1>me away. So that there's also a Casmir cavity by
<v Speaker 1>Garrett Modele and Bernard hash Is who he's working with
<v Speaker 1>as well, from former lockey mode.
<v Speaker 2>Very funny because Bernard hash is a colleague of how
<v Speaker 2>put Off.
<v Speaker 1>And as you realize all these people are connected, like
<v Speaker 1>this world is so much smaller than I thought. I
<v Speaker 1>just there's a.
<v Speaker 2>Photo with John Hutcheson in his lap and when I'm
<v Speaker 2>I worked with and do work with one of the
<v Speaker 2>researchers who's developed one of the reactors for ng gate,
<v Speaker 2>which is the direct electricity generator that's been verified by
<v Speaker 2>John Paul Bavarian. He's he writes the Convience Matter Nucleo
<v Speaker 2>Science Journal. And this guy is called Dr George Eagley
<v Speaker 2>and he's right for it. One of the world's experts,
<v Speaker 2>if not the words world expert in ball lightning. And
<v Speaker 2>it was Bernard hash that came to visit him in Hungary.
<v Speaker 1>It's a small world. It's like the same people. That's
<v Speaker 1>why when people are like actually the funny bars, no
<v Speaker 1>one ever says, like Ashton, why do you think how
<v Speaker 1>Kudav's the final boss? Like everybody just knows, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he obviously must be the final boss. He's like literally
<v Speaker 1>connected to everything.
<v Speaker 2>About seven years ago I put him in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of a mind map and I just connected literally everything
<v Speaker 2>about everything with Albert.
<v Speaker 1>There's nobody else that can even be the person, like
<v Speaker 1>he's got to be like MJ twelve, number one guy
<v Speaker 1>in the secret organization or whatever is going on.
<v Speaker 2>Immense respect for the guy, and.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah respect, I mean to be in that kind of position,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what a life I'd love to have just
<v Speaker 1>been like on a fly on the wall.
<v Speaker 2>It's also walking a knife bitch, isn't it? Like? What
<v Speaker 2>can you say this week? What can't you say?
<v Speaker 1>You? I mean, how can you imagine living your life
<v Speaker 1>every day like having to determine, like what's the stuff
<v Speaker 1>I can say publicly versus the stuff I have to
<v Speaker 1>keep compartmentalized. And I can never even like reference this
<v Speaker 1>that is alone. I don't know if I could do that.
<v Speaker 2>I love the ability in an open project to say
<v Speaker 2>exactly what we're doing all the time and never have
<v Speaker 2>to think about what I can't say. He has to,
<v Speaker 2>but he went further on Joe Rogan. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if you want to touch on what he said, but
<v Speaker 2>he went He went expanded on a few things that
<v Speaker 2>he hadn't really gone into as much detail before. So
<v Speaker 2>I love the communications.
<v Speaker 1>The quantum communication one was the most interesting one for
<v Speaker 1>me because, like we were saying about the small world,
<v Speaker 1>he referenced that he had put his quantum communication device
<v Speaker 1>on the back burner. And I've been talking about that
<v Speaker 1>thing for a while, and I'm sure that there's a
<v Speaker 1>classified version of that that the military has been using
<v Speaker 1>our defense contractor, and the one that he's got is
<v Speaker 1>just a public one where like maybe they don't they
<v Speaker 1>don't have the material science publicly to do it, but
<v Speaker 1>privately they had the material stat In nineties.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who it was, but someone was saying
<v Speaker 2>when they were doing some discharges or whatever that would
<v Speaker 2>produce these kind of ball structures, someone came down and
<v Speaker 2>there was like black Hawk helicopters and they turned up
<v Speaker 2>and they said, you've got to stop doing this, and
<v Speaker 2>the he was suggesting that the reason he had to
<v Speaker 2>stop doing is because it was messing up the secure
<v Speaker 2>communication technology. Okay, I have to remember someone out there.
<v Speaker 2>You'll find that story. That is a story, and it exists,
<v Speaker 2>you'll find it.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so I think he's had it. And then
<v Speaker 1>he was saying, well, now I'm coming back to it
<v Speaker 1>after thirty years because now the material science is caught up.
<v Speaker 1>And that was crazy because I was watching one of
<v Speaker 1>those APEX things where Gary Stevenson was saying that he
<v Speaker 1>was working on a quant some like gravity wave microchip
<v Speaker 1>with Dave Rossi actually, and they reference that how put
<v Speaker 1>Off might be interested in it. So I'm sitting there
<v Speaker 1>going wow, Okay, like everybody's connected behind the scenes. And like,
<v Speaker 1>what's what is going on here? In my mind, what's
<v Speaker 1>happening is that the defense contractors have had these like
<v Speaker 1>free energy microchips, all this stuff, the ball lightning stuff,
<v Speaker 1>everything for decades, and the very engineers that built that
<v Speaker 1>stuff for them are the ones that are publicly patenting
<v Speaker 1>and working on the stuff now and just like plain
<v Speaker 1>dumb about it, like, oh yeah, we're working on these microchips.
<v Speaker 1>Because the reason why I say that is they don't
<v Speaker 1>act like people act. That would be, they don't act
<v Speaker 1>like Energy eight people do. The n G eight people
<v Speaker 1>are desperate to get their stuff out there. They're marketing.
<v Speaker 1>Sonny White shows up to Joe Rogan casually with the
<v Speaker 1>free energy microchip, doesn't even like promote it, doesn't even
<v Speaker 1>say as a free energy microchip, just like this.
<v Speaker 2>You can go and find out about it here.
<v Speaker 1>He's not he's not trying to sell it. He already
<v Speaker 1>knows it works.
<v Speaker 2>He hasn't even got all the buy exactly. They've already
<v Speaker 2>got more than any one else could be exactly.
<v Speaker 1>So it's just like, I don't know, this is I
<v Speaker 1>hope people are enjoying this conversation because I think it's
<v Speaker 1>a glimpse behind the curtain from two people here who
<v Speaker 1>are pretty in the know. I think that this at
<v Speaker 1>this point of how this all is happening behind the scenes.
<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you that in terms of all
<v Speaker 1>these we've talked about a lot of different companies and
<v Speaker 1>different not just cold fusion but also now free energy
<v Speaker 1>microchip concept, what do you think is the closest and
<v Speaker 1>what do you think the timeframe is for some of
<v Speaker 1>this stuff to actually be public commercialized, Because I don't
<v Speaker 1>think we're looking at fifty years on some of this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that free energy microchip thing that's in the
<v Speaker 1>public now. If they don't commercialize it soon, somebody else
<v Speaker 1>is going to. So what are your thoughts.
<v Speaker 2>I think what you're looking at right now is a
<v Speaker 2>panic by the powers that have this technology to find
<v Speaker 2>a way to roll it out with a story, a
<v Speaker 2>kava story that means that everyone doesn't get it for
<v Speaker 2>free because we're at like So, there's there's a very
<v Speaker 2>controversial figure who a good friend of mine was the
<v Speaker 2>first investor into call Andre Rossi, and he's been trying
<v Speaker 2>to solve the energy problem. He actually developed one of
<v Speaker 2>these and leg yeah, the ACAT guy. So he legitimately
<v Speaker 2>developed a technology for creating biodiesel out of you know,
<v Speaker 2>chip that and things like that. Way back I think
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies or eighties or something. He actually did
<v Speaker 2>do that, and there was some issue with the mafia
<v Speaker 2>or whatever because it was their their gig to dump
<v Speaker 2>this stuff at wherever they dumped it, and he was
<v Speaker 2>getting this stuff and then whatever. He ended up in jail,
<v Speaker 2>and he used his time in jail to study all
<v Speaker 2>the cold fusion papers and he came out with a
<v Speaker 2>you know, a supposed technology in twenty eleven. That's actually
<v Speaker 2>why I started to re engage with the field. So
<v Speaker 2>whether he had it or not, it was an important
<v Speaker 2>time and an important thing for him to do, because
<v Speaker 2>every single member of the MFMP we went to South
<v Speaker 2>Korea and set that up. He's recently done a test
<v Speaker 2>at the end of last year, I think it was
<v Speaker 2>in November where he took a Renaut Twizzy. This is
<v Speaker 2>this kind of like single seat kind of well you
<v Speaker 2>can have another one behind, but little electric vehicle. And
<v Speaker 2>it started off with something like I'm going to not
<v Speaker 2>get this right, but one of them had most there
<v Speaker 2>was two cars basically the same car. One was had
<v Speaker 2>like supposedly nearly something like ninety percent charge and it
<v Speaker 2>did around about seventy kilometers. The other one had about
<v Speaker 2>thirty percent charge. And this ECA device and at the
<v Speaker 2>end of it it did over two hundred kilometers, so
<v Speaker 2>nearly three times the distance. But it had gone from
<v Speaker 2>thirty percent charged to about eighty five percent charge, so
<v Speaker 2>it'd actually been charging whilst it did three times the range.
<v Speaker 2>The other one completely run out. Now there's questions as
<v Speaker 2>to whether this is real or not. But and there's
<v Speaker 2>also I have questions because I think the fact that
<v Speaker 2>the paper that he refers to as the the how
<v Speaker 2>this occurs was actually written by a third party principally,
<v Speaker 2>and I think I know who it is. However, he
<v Speaker 2>is correct in fact, there is some kind of coherence
<v Speaker 2>being formed. He quotes since I made him aware of them.
<v Speaker 2>The Lockheed Martin pattern for coherent matter wave beams that
<v Speaker 2>is quoted in his writings also ent the work of
<v Speaker 2>Ken Shoulders, And I think what is happening. He is
<v Speaker 2>creating coherent electrons. There is a phase change in the
<v Speaker 2>process of you know, producing this structure. And remember what
<v Speaker 2>I was saying earlier, All energy is derived from reducing
<v Speaker 2>the distortion of the physical vacuum. If you have one electron,
<v Speaker 2>it distorts a certain amount of physical vacuum. If you
<v Speaker 2>have two and they become a Cooper pair, they have
<v Speaker 2>a certain amount that they distort the physical vacuum. But
<v Speaker 2>once you've got a Cooper pair, that can become a
<v Speaker 2>Bose Einstein condensate because the Cooper pair is a boson
<v Speaker 2>and they can occupy the same space type. So for
<v Speaker 2>every Cooper pair you add to the condensite, you are
<v Speaker 2>reducing the distortion of the physical vacuum. So you gain
<v Speaker 2>energy through that process. And so it's it's it's pretty
<v Speaker 2>amazing to think about.
<v Speaker 1>And wait, hold on, step. You can create Cooper pairs
<v Speaker 1>through superconductivity and just stack them. Yeah yeah, so okay,
<v Speaker 1>well yes, I mean to me, the way I look
<v Speaker 1>at super connective, we use Cooper pairs to explain the
<v Speaker 1>concept of superconductivity is how it's possible, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>because we can't actually see that happening, but that's the idea. So,
<v Speaker 1>but bosons are meaning that things can stack onto the
<v Speaker 1>same point in space and time. Yeah, which would then
<v Speaker 1>mean you could stack things just like a laser stack
<v Speaker 1>them up, stack them up, stack them up. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>then so if that's the case, then this then speaks
<v Speaker 1>to the charge cluster concepts of ken shoulders.
<v Speaker 2>And absolutely and so you can't ken shoulders. Talked about
<v Speaker 2>how you can get elect and they have their individual
<v Speaker 2>charge of minuswan. He talks about muons, which have a
<v Speaker 2>charge of two hundred and seven. So mass are two
<v Speaker 2>hundred and seven times the massive an electron, and you
<v Speaker 2>have towns which is like three thy seven hundred, but
<v Speaker 2>they all possess a single negative charge. Now, he says,
<v Speaker 2>you can create structures that have got billions of effective
<v Speaker 2>electrons in there, but they still only have one negative charge.
<v Speaker 2>And you've got to imagine that that must be because
<v Speaker 2>they become some sort of fractally similar structure of the
<v Speaker 2>electron itself. They are self similar structure. The charge is
<v Speaker 2>coming from the configuration of the overall movement in space
<v Speaker 2>time rather than the actual individual structure itself.
<v Speaker 1>And the Bose Einstein condency. It seems like like a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people be like, well, what is a Bose
<v Speaker 1>Einstein conden say, because it's not even really properly defined.
<v Speaker 1>You see the words thrown around all the time. I
<v Speaker 1>consider it almost like the fifth state of matter, Like
<v Speaker 1>go beyond plasma to this coherence where you start to
<v Speaker 1>see structured shapes on the macroscale. That's what I call it,
<v Speaker 1>where they're really coherence is the best word for it.
<v Speaker 1>Where normally things would just kind of dissipate and be random,
<v Speaker 1>but you're seeing things kind of come together and act
<v Speaker 1>together all at one. Well, how would you define like
<v Speaker 1>this Bose Einstein kind?
<v Speaker 2>Essentially an electron is a fermion. So without going to
<v Speaker 2>the yy why why why that they can't occupy the
<v Speaker 2>same space time. But when you create a Cooper pair,
<v Speaker 2>they pay up in such a way that they act
<v Speaker 2>as a boson, which then means you can occupy the
<v Speaker 2>same space time with more of those. And what happens
<v Speaker 2>then you have the wave function wave description of that
<v Speaker 2>matter is able to overlay with another one in a
<v Speaker 2>self similar state when they're at the same kinetic energy.
<v Speaker 1>So that's what the is that a coherent matter wave being.
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly the description of coherent matter wall actually look at.
<v Speaker 2>But if you look at that pattern, they don't give
<v Speaker 2>credit to ken shoulders, but they have a spike HIGHDIDT
<v Speaker 2>discharge which goes into some ten micron chambers, and that
<v Speaker 2>along with a magnetic field, and the aaronhoff Bomb effect
<v Speaker 2>allows for the electrons to form these Cooper pairs and
<v Speaker 2>then for those Cooper pairs to end up the same
<v Speaker 2>kinetic energy. Now, a cooper pair of electrons will have
<v Speaker 2>a wave function, is a broadly wave function that changes
<v Speaker 2>with its kinetic energy. So the whole point of the
<v Speaker 2>aaronhoff Bomb effect is to get them in phase like
<v Speaker 2>a laser and in the same energy, so they have
<v Speaker 2>the same wave function which can overlay each other. Then
<v Speaker 2>they can all occupy the same space time, and then
<v Speaker 2>they can then bleed that out and producer mattterwavebeat. Now
<v Speaker 2>the interesting thing is their actual structure that they show.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's in Fig. Three. In that pattern is
<v Speaker 2>a bucky ball like structure. So they're saying it's a
<v Speaker 2>coherent matter. But the overall coherent matter starts to fall
<v Speaker 2>into spherical like objects, and.
<v Speaker 1>The buggy balls, I think those weren't those. The rubidium
<v Speaker 1>atoms that they super froze down to like.
<v Speaker 2>Is a formation of carbon, like a carbon sixty sphere.
<v Speaker 2>Water can do the same thing. And if water can
<v Speaker 2>do it and carbon can do it. Then you could
<v Speaker 2>imagine that other material could form into these clusters of
<v Speaker 2>coherent matter. So if you're arguing that it's self similar,
<v Speaker 2>then why can't it be made even bigger? So can
<v Speaker 2>you get these little chambers producing this coherent matter wave
<v Speaker 2>and produce a very large ball of coherent matter? And
<v Speaker 2>then you're into a really interesting topic.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you see? I think it was. I'm trying
<v Speaker 1>to make sure I've got the right link here. Charles Chase,
<v Speaker 1>who is he? Target? Is this apec? I can't remember
<v Speaker 1>which thing I found this, but Charles Chase is the
<v Speaker 1>guy that he and the other guy were the ones
<v Speaker 1>who created that pattern, that coherent matterwave being patterned and
<v Speaker 1>the other guy.
<v Speaker 2>I see they had to separate presentation.
<v Speaker 1>You recent like just a few months ago, that this
<v Speaker 1>presentation by Charles Chase, he all of a sudden out
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. So to put together what we're what I'm
<v Speaker 1>putting down here, what Bob is putting down is that
<v Speaker 1>the coherent matter way being patent is the missing link
<v Speaker 1>to all this like and I didn't understand how important
<v Speaker 1>it was until I saw the Charles Chase demonstration. I
<v Speaker 1>could tell it was because this idea of like getting
<v Speaker 1>everything down to a single point is very important for
<v Speaker 1>an idea of teleportation or a quantum mechanics, et cetera.
<v Speaker 1>But then this presentation by Charles Chase. The first thing
<v Speaker 1>he does is he basically just takes a shot at
<v Speaker 1>Academia and he goes people have said all this stuff
<v Speaker 1>is impossible forever, all these famous people, they've always been wrong.
<v Speaker 1>In fact, the best story was that this Nobel laureate,
<v Speaker 1>Peter Debbe, told the guy that invented the LCD screen,
<v Speaker 1>George Haillmyer, that it was impossible to make an LCD screen,
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't tell him that he had already literally
<v Speaker 1>produced it because it was protected under proprietary stuff for
<v Speaker 1>the company that he built it with. Right, so you
<v Speaker 1>have a little Nobel prize when you're saying stuff can
<v Speaker 1>ever happen, planes can never fly, I will never talk through.
<v Speaker 2>Voice through wires do when you've got the hand, you're
<v Speaker 2>saying what I've already got is impossible. Then someone else
<v Speaker 2>produces it and they go, oh, look I've got it here.
<v Speaker 1>This is my favorite. I'm just going to read this
<v Speaker 1>one because he just takes a shot at Sean Carroll.
<v Speaker 1>Here Sean Carroll direct quote from Sean Carroll. There's something
<v Speaker 1>called the warp drive. There are extra dimensions, there is
<v Speaker 1>a Casmir effect, and there is dark energy. All of
<v Speaker 1>these things are true, but there is zero chance that
<v Speaker 1>anyone within our lifetimes or the next one thousand years
<v Speaker 1>are going to build anything that makes use of any
<v Speaker 1>of these ideas for defense purposes or anything like that. Well,
<v Speaker 1>Sean Carroll, bad news. They already have done it, just
<v Speaker 1>like the LCD screen, They've already done it. Made you
<v Speaker 1>look like a fool. But here's the thing about the presentation,
<v Speaker 1>because then he talks about the actual microchip and I'm like, okay, well,
<v Speaker 1>now we're going to learn what this thing is really
<v Speaker 1>used for because we can only speculate based on these
<v Speaker 1>vague descriptions in the patent, right, And he just straight
<v Speaker 1>up says it. It's a million times more powerful than
<v Speaker 1>a laser. It can transport matter at a distance. What
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, what does that actually mean? And I
<v Speaker 1>forget the third one. I'll try to pull it up.
<v Speaker 1>But when you look at these concepts, it's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>this thing is this is the missing link. This is
<v Speaker 1>what you would need to make a bowseeines condensate and
<v Speaker 1>you can use it, oh for material manufacturing as well.
<v Speaker 1>You can use this to make microchips at the atomic scale,
<v Speaker 1>so because you can shoot single atoms at a time
<v Speaker 1>onto a microchip, so you could theorectally use this for
<v Speaker 1>that as well. But the thing that could be a
<v Speaker 1>million times more powerful than a laser that stuck out
<v Speaker 1>to me because if I want to make something that
<v Speaker 1>can bend space time, I need something that's even more
<v Speaker 1>powerful than the most powerful lasers we have if I
<v Speaker 1>want to do it easily. Well, honestly, million tundel parafle.
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, Ashton, I think that's being conservative. I think we
<v Speaker 2>can talk about billion times more that might be where
<v Speaker 2>they are, and they're pretending they're only that far, but
<v Speaker 2>they're all already on the billions of times. So this
<v Speaker 2>is the reason. On my blog at remote View, do
<v Speaker 2>I see you? It was the first blog article that
<v Speaker 2>I had on that patent and also talking about Tom
<v Speaker 2>Beard and that that was it was a watershed moment,
<v Speaker 2>mostly because it was the first time that I come
<v Speaker 2>across anyone ever discussing the fact that you can make
<v Speaker 2>coherent matter at any temperature. Yeah, so that is actually
<v Speaker 2>on the front page or its figure two in the patent,
<v Speaker 2>the one that's at the top there. The ten microns,
<v Speaker 2>that's what I was describing earlier. So, yeah, the cathode
<v Speaker 2>and its ten microns.
<v Speaker 1>Of people realize how small this is. One micron cathode,
<v Speaker 1>like this is very very very small. We're talking about
<v Speaker 1>the size of viruses now.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you see down the bottom it has a
<v Speaker 2>bee with a arrow. That is the magnetic field, and
<v Speaker 2>that is how with those cavities it can force coherence
<v Speaker 2>and the phase synchronization and energy synchronization using the Ara
<v Speaker 2>and hof Quom effect. So that's what it is, and
<v Speaker 2>the image in there. They actually specifically focus on the
<v Speaker 2>fact that most people think you can't create a Bose
<v Speaker 2>Einstein condensate from electrons because they're fermions. But what they
<v Speaker 2>then go on to say is that in this system
<v Speaker 2>you can, and they focus on creating a beam of
<v Speaker 2>coherent electrons.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is wild, right there, fermion Bose Einstein
<v Speaker 1>exactly right.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's starting with it's a bit they're missing
<v Speaker 2>the point that it actually becomes a boson, and then
<v Speaker 2>the boson becomes the condensate. But what you're looking at
<v Speaker 2>in the center is a very interesting thing. Sorry, that
<v Speaker 2>that little peak thorn on there. That is a condensate.
<v Speaker 2>And the interesting thing about condensate is a condensate can
<v Speaker 2>have the same wave function through that entire diagram, yet
<v Speaker 2>there can be more of the same thing in the
<v Speaker 2>center where it's rich. That's the density of the same thing. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>it's weird, and this is actually the.
<v Speaker 1>Thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there can be more of the same thing
<v Speaker 2>in different places. So like with relict utretas, for instance,
<v Speaker 2>there is more of the relic trati a condensate near
<v Speaker 2>the Sun and the Earth and the Moon than there
<v Speaker 2>is in free space, but they all share the same
<v Speaker 2>wave function. It's very weird to think about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Doctor moa Arman is the other one. And so
<v Speaker 1>this also right here, says uses the aeronof Bom effect,
<v Speaker 1>which is a real fact that science doesn't really accept
<v Speaker 1>or like just won't acknowledge, I guess. But to me,
<v Speaker 1>when I look at this, what do I see happening here?
<v Speaker 1>Just visually and imaginatively, what I see happening is vibration.
<v Speaker 1>We're vibrating everything to get it all into one point.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what you see in this peak here down
<v Speaker 1>at the bottoms. You've seen this peak because we're fogging
<v Speaker 1>seen everything on to a single point where previously was
<v Speaker 1>a fermion, now it's a boson. And now when we
<v Speaker 1>do that, we stack up the energy. And I agree
<v Speaker 1>with you when he says one million times down here,
<v Speaker 1>I think he's being quiet. I mean we're talking levels
<v Speaker 1>of This is the secret right here.
<v Speaker 2>This is how you says one million times more powerful
<v Speaker 2>than the laser? Which laser?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Which one is that? The ad or second laser?
<v Speaker 1>Because if so, now we're talking about energy levels that
<v Speaker 1>are just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>Because and that matter itself has far more energy in
<v Speaker 2>a photon is just kind of like a propagation of
<v Speaker 2>a solo tom let's say, through the ether. And and
<v Speaker 2>this is actual physical matter that's got embedded energy in it.
<v Speaker 2>It's got mass, so this is already wrapped energy that
<v Speaker 2>you're firing. And there's a coherent matter way.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the atomic scale manufacturing this even goes beyond
<v Speaker 1>like probably microchips. In my opinion, when he's typing that
<v Speaker 1>out there, he's thinking like Star Trek replicator stuff, because
<v Speaker 1>that's really.
<v Speaker 2>Ken Shoulders talks about this that you can get evos
<v Speaker 2>to go in and copy the pattern of an entire thing.
<v Speaker 2>So he's referring to something that I was told about
<v Speaker 2>on my course at university. And I'm fifty three this
<v Speaker 2>year when i was twenty years old, so that is
<v Speaker 2>twenty three years ago, right, and that was building up
<v Speaker 2>things atom by atom. So I was told that this
<v Speaker 2>was being investigated twenty three years ago. Twenty three or
<v Speaker 2>thirty three, it's thirty three years ago. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave that there. What Ken Schulders talks about is
<v Speaker 2>that evos can go in and they can get the
<v Speaker 2>whole pattern of something, and then if you energize that
<v Speaker 2>whole pattern, you then have a coherent matter wave that
<v Speaker 2>is the pattern of the entire thing. Then all you
<v Speaker 2>need to do is separate those versions of themselves and
<v Speaker 2>then you get an instant of it's called instant ing.
<v Speaker 2>In three D visualization, you can take an object and
<v Speaker 2>rather than building another object and having that in memory,
<v Speaker 2>you actually have one object and you translate that in
<v Speaker 2>the render engine. This is what I'm talking about. Ken
<v Speaker 2>Shoulders was suggesting you can create an entire quantum coherent
<v Speaker 2>copy and then you energize that. So you have it
<v Speaker 2>super energized, and then you separate the copies that are
<v Speaker 2>in that copy, you have like a whole wave function
<v Speaker 2>of the entire Let's say Ashton Forbes. We need more
<v Speaker 2>Ashton Forts because there isn't enough Ashton fors right, So
<v Speaker 2>we put that pattern in there and we clone it.
<v Speaker 2>He also said that this is one where you can teleport,
<v Speaker 2>because what you can do is you can create the
<v Speaker 2>pattern of something, and then you move the pattern, and
<v Speaker 2>then you destroy the original. Of course, it's not spiritually
<v Speaker 2>good to leave the original as well as the copy, because.
<v Speaker 1>There sounds like the Prestige. You know, Dogmount, you ever
<v Speaker 1>seen the movie The Prestige.
<v Speaker 2>Well, his ideas on teleportation, be Ken Shoulders, came before
<v Speaker 2>the Prestige.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean I know, but I just wanted
<v Speaker 1>to saying, is that the prestige? Right? Like, so spoiler people,
<v Speaker 1>everybody turn it off. You don't want to listen Gene
<v Speaker 1>Hackman's or not in Gene Hackman, But what's his face? Wolverine?
<v Speaker 1>His character teleports, He teleports, and you find out the
<v Speaker 1>bigger reveal is he's not actually teleport. He's creating a
<v Speaker 1>copy of himself, and he has to kill one of
<v Speaker 1>the two of himself every time, So he drowns one
<v Speaker 1>of the two of himself every time, so he doesn't
<v Speaker 1>have to like physically do it to you know, prevent
<v Speaker 1>there from being these duplicates out there. So, man, I
<v Speaker 1>really hope that's not where this goes. I'm ready for
<v Speaker 1>some dark stuff, but I don't know if I want
<v Speaker 1>to have weird bizarro duplicate versions of myself and other
<v Speaker 1>people all out there.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's okay if you're making food.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, if they're if they're gonna be night person,
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I think that they're going to probably
<v Speaker 1>rebel after some point period of time.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Ken Charlders and John Hutchinson they spent a
<v Speaker 2>week with the writers of Star Trek in the nineteen
<v Speaker 2>nineties to discuss technology and how it would manifest itself
<v Speaker 2>down the road so that they could put it into
<v Speaker 2>their program.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's the thing. I think a lot of
<v Speaker 1>people they have.
<v Speaker 2>A photo of that event. This was actually at the event.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. I Mean, this
<v Speaker 1>is when people ask me, why do they talk about
<v Speaker 1>this stuff and these shows if I say, well, because
<v Speaker 1>these engineers they talk to these people, you know, they
<v Speaker 1>talk to these people. I've had people or sci fi
<v Speaker 1>writers reach out to me and they say, hey, I'm
<v Speaker 1>doing this new show. What do you think about the stuff?
<v Speaker 1>I go in here and I'm talking about And sometimes
<v Speaker 1>I look at it and I'll tell them, you know,
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of times it's just it's not real physics,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just magical stuff or like the plot
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense if you think about the physics and
<v Speaker 1>the weapons and the stuff like that as well. And
<v Speaker 1>that's where I want, I truly want the movies to
<v Speaker 1>get better because they're it's just the real technology is
<v Speaker 1>so far beyond what they think that we can do.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know, for about five six years, I can't
<v Speaker 2>watch a superhero movie because everything that show is possible.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's even better than that. It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>the superheroes aren't even doing using magical stuff like we
<v Speaker 1>you know, Thor is not even that powerful. We can
<v Speaker 1>make upon energy weapons and make thora look like a
<v Speaker 1>little baby.
<v Speaker 2>It is complicating. Issue is because when you have a
<v Speaker 2>thing like that. The Tesla logo is a ripoff of
<v Speaker 2>Thor's hammer, the originals hammer, the ucnvasara, and so when
<v Speaker 2>people are looking up Thor's hammer, they're not going to
<v Speaker 2>see a new convsara and realize it's the same as
<v Speaker 2>the Tesla logo. And this really is the most powerful
<v Speaker 2>thing in the universe. It can depressurize space time in
<v Speaker 2>front of it and pressurize it behind it. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it is the means by which you do these ridiculous
<v Speaker 2>you know, propulsion technology.
<v Speaker 1>Now one of the propulsion technologies, and I think that
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start digging into this next week, but
<v Speaker 1>I won't know if you know anything about it. Is
<v Speaker 1>this idea of an X ray laser. Some people have
<v Speaker 1>started pinging me on and I kind of checked my
<v Speaker 1>replies to see there's some you know, people are watching
<v Speaker 1>me and posting a little info in my replies, and
<v Speaker 1>I haven't always caught on. And one of the things
<v Speaker 1>was X ray laser. The reason why I've thought about
<v Speaker 1>it is that one of the things I've realized from
<v Speaker 1>the MHE three seven zero videos is that the reason
<v Speaker 1>why the zapp is cold and black and the thermal
<v Speaker 1>is a's a release of either X ray or ultraviolet light.
<v Speaker 1>So now I'm going, oh, now I'm looking for ultraviolet
<v Speaker 1>X ray related technologies. Sure enough, someone posts about X
<v Speaker 1>ray lasers. So the first thing I do is go, look, well,
<v Speaker 1>how do you make an X ray laser? Oh, it's
<v Speaker 1>stimulated emission of plasma. Okay, now I'm super interesting.
<v Speaker 2>You can go further than that. You can make gamma
<v Speaker 2>ray lasers. Oh, I'm sure, but the point gamma ray
<v Speaker 2>lasers are really deeply unpleasant and yeah, what do you.
<v Speaker 1>Think I'm doing though? Like, what's the point of them?
<v Speaker 1>What are they actually purposing? Because can this be used
<v Speaker 1>to extract energy from upstream?
<v Speaker 2>When you get so even with a normal laser, you
<v Speaker 2>can get energy densities that will produce almost certainly coherent matter.
<v Speaker 2>And this was a proposal by Low in nineteen seventy
<v Speaker 2>three to do fusion. There's this guy called Low. He
<v Speaker 2>went on to create water clusters. I think I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if he's still alive, but there's a website out
<v Speaker 2>there with him. But he proposed in nineteen seventy three
<v Speaker 2>that you could use a laser to for force coherence
<v Speaker 2>and lead to fusion. Now, current lasers you can cut
<v Speaker 2>through quite a depth of steel, like straight through it
<v Speaker 2>Now a laser, the energy is related to the frequency
<v Speaker 2>of the photon, and the photon as it gets higher frequency,
<v Speaker 2>it has higher energy. So you could imagine with a
<v Speaker 2>gamma ray laser you can actually cause so with an
<v Speaker 2>X ray laser, you can actually cause atoms to be
<v Speaker 2>highly highly excited and flow very easily. With a gamma
<v Speaker 2>ray laser, you actually will cause nuclear decay. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's called the Oppenheim a physic Phillips reaction, where if
<v Speaker 2>you have things in the right place and you hit
<v Speaker 2>it with a gamma you can.
<v Speaker 1>And this is this is actually way How it wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>that be like what we were just talking about, Like
<v Speaker 1>how would that be connected to this idea of just
<v Speaker 1>using the air as a fuel source? Could I'd be
<v Speaker 1>breaking down to stranger.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I don't think think it's that complicated.
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it's that complicated. We're creating ball
<v Speaker 2>lightning with much much lower energies because what you need
<v Speaker 2>is resonance all the time. You have standing waves and
<v Speaker 2>resonance which you can create with phase conjugation and field interference,
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have standing wave nodes that can cohee energy.
<v Speaker 2>And we only need to get to a certain threshold
<v Speaker 2>and things start to fall apart. By that, I mean
<v Speaker 2>the first thing that falls apart is like vander Wilf's forces,
<v Speaker 2>then polar bonds like water, and then chemical bonds. To
<v Speaker 2>start with, it would be weak polar bonds, and then
<v Speaker 2>sorry ionic bonds, and then covalent bonds. And then when
<v Speaker 2>you go beyond covalent bonds and metal bonds, you end
<v Speaker 2>up starting cluster decay of atoms because an atom isn't
<v Speaker 2>just a whole ball of spheres where every single atom
<v Speaker 2>has the same binding energy and you have to put
<v Speaker 2>that binding energy in to separate out nucleon. You've got
<v Speaker 2>clusters that are connected together with a weaker bit in between,
<v Speaker 2>so matter falls apart. This is the basis of my
<v Speaker 2>presentation that I gave last week and published, because what
<v Speaker 2>we see in lower ging nuclear reactions is a fantastic
<v Speaker 2>array of elements that weren't there to begin with, and
<v Speaker 2>it's been very confusing as to why. But if you take,
<v Speaker 2>for instance, of tungster an atom, and you suddenly find
<v Speaker 2>you've got all the carbon magnesium which is double carbon,
<v Speaker 2>and chromium which is quad carbon, and calcium, which is
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's all made of alpha particles. You can
<v Speaker 2>imagine a much bigger kind of branch structure with weak bits,
<v Speaker 2>and it's causing that to fall apart. And what is
<v Speaker 2>causing it to fall apart a lowering of the vacuum pressure.
<v Speaker 2>Why is it causing it because you are pulling photons
<v Speaker 2>out of that vacuum and that is what keeps the
<v Speaker 2>atom in its stable state. You remove the pressure and
<v Speaker 2>it's just like pulling that fish from the deep ocean
<v Speaker 2>up onto your deck. It turns to jelly or styre.
<v Speaker 1>Because this is this is very very important. Is that
<v Speaker 1>what you described, I think is the physical mechanism by
<v Speaker 1>which this happens. So people wonder how does the stuff
<v Speaker 1>fall apart? Well, it's space time pressure that causes it
<v Speaker 1>to happen. So if you can cause the space time
<v Speaker 1>pressure to occur lack of space time pressure, then you
<v Speaker 1>can cause atoms to fall apart. Now, if you want
<v Speaker 1>to know and see how this happens, google right now,
<v Speaker 1>water boiling at room temperature, and what you're gonna find
<v Speaker 1>is all you have to do is you have to
<v Speaker 1>take water in a tube and start carrying it upwards.
<v Speaker 1>And once you get it out like it depends exactly,
<v Speaker 1>but a few hundred feet, all of a sudden, the
<v Speaker 1>water just starts coming apart because of the lack of pressure.
<v Speaker 1>Lack of pressure just causes the water populer. So if
<v Speaker 1>you can cause a situation artificially by which there's a
<v Speaker 1>lack of pressure, then you're going to cause the atomic
<v Speaker 1>molecules to just begin to feet.
<v Speaker 2>It's slight those sci fi movies where you see a
<v Speaker 2>guy going outside without spacesuit and they boil.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I think they're doing with the lasers then,
<v Speaker 1>because that's what I think if we're seeing some type
<v Speaker 1>of endothermic reaction with the scramjet, they must be using
<v Speaker 1>a laser to break apart the mall. You will zap
<v Speaker 1>it away use suck that stuff in, and then that
<v Speaker 1>would be a release of we would be seen as
<v Speaker 1>a form of X ray or something that they're or
<v Speaker 1>higher than that. And if I was looking at a
<v Speaker 1>thermal that's going to show up as black, I would imagine.
<v Speaker 2>At least certainly. So when you have an image sensor,
<v Speaker 2>we can come back onto the overall process. But when
<v Speaker 2>you have an image sensor specifically, they typically will operate
<v Speaker 2>in a range of photons. Okay, and I will bring
<v Speaker 2>to the cosmic summer a handheld thermal sensor, and I
<v Speaker 2>will bring the thermal imaging camera and we can show
<v Speaker 2>some demonstrations of what these peer with color gradients and
<v Speaker 2>so forth. Okay, So when you what you will go
<v Speaker 2>to any manufacturer, so like what's ours ours is called optris,
<v Speaker 2>to go to optris I R and you can see
<v Speaker 2>a whole range of thermal imaging cameras and they will
<v Speaker 2>have a frequency range of photon over which they can see, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and outside of that frequency range, it doesn't see any photos.
<v Speaker 2>So it would appear as black. So that could be
<v Speaker 2>because they're either lower frequency than the frequency range they
<v Speaker 2>can see, or they're higher frequency than the frequency range.
<v Speaker 1>I used to think that it was just because they
<v Speaker 1>were called, and now I know that's not the case.
<v Speaker 1>Because if it was just cold, we would see a gradient.
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't just be black. You would see like a
<v Speaker 1>light black, or you see this merge. But the fact
<v Speaker 1>that it's just black, straight black, I mean, they're just
<v Speaker 1>not seeing anything there.
<v Speaker 2>Because they're all blue shifting. Because they when you get
<v Speaker 2>those three orbs and they're joining together and they make
<v Speaker 2>a self similar object at the quanta of the level
<v Speaker 2>above fractal level above, and as that pinches in, you're
<v Speaker 2>changing the space time metric in there, and so that
<v Speaker 2>will blue shift the light and it happens so rapidly
<v Speaker 2>that it immediately goes to outside of the range of
<v Speaker 2>the bolometer the thermal imaging camera, and it just appears
<v Speaker 2>as a black hole. It's not a black hole. It
<v Speaker 2>is a thing that's kind of like a black hole
<v Speaker 2>because you see it as a black hole, but it's
<v Speaker 2>not a black hole. It's just black in the imaging exactly.
<v Speaker 2>It could be a black hole, and it likely is
<v Speaker 2>a black hole, but what you're seeing is a black
<v Speaker 2>hole caused the imaging, right And in the other camera
<v Speaker 2>you're seeing an eye would argue it's it's you're seeing optical.
<v Speaker 2>And as it goes from the thermal imaging and it's
<v Speaker 2>blue shifted, it will blue shift through the thermal IYR
<v Speaker 2>will shift through the optical which is already out of
<v Speaker 2>the IR range, and then off to the UV and
<v Speaker 2>X ray soft x ray two killer electron volts normally,
<v Speaker 2>and so you will see the flash and as that
<v Speaker 2>goes takes all that thermal photons blue shifts it to
<v Speaker 2>too visible yep.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, so if people are interested in more in that,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be researching. I think that they all
<v Speaker 1>these things also have a million different names too. That's
<v Speaker 1>how they also hide it. So they're calling it free
<v Speaker 1>electron lasers. So when I start looking around through the dirds,
<v Speaker 1>of course I have like a fifty hits for a
<v Speaker 1>free electron laser, I'm going, okay, yeah, I think we
<v Speaker 1>might have it here because I think that the plasmas
<v Speaker 1>what we're going to find is that This is the
<v Speaker 1>crazy part is I don't even know how many Nobel
<v Speaker 1>Prizes had they are it's hard to even count at
<v Speaker 1>this point. But you just start with free energy plasma
<v Speaker 1>ball that has no physical confinement, that is producing over unity,
<v Speaker 1>and then you turn into a Swiss army. And if
<v Speaker 1>now I can just shoot some plasma this way as
<v Speaker 1>a free electron beam, and if I want to propel
<v Speaker 1>that way, I can do something like that. Maybe I
<v Speaker 1>can jam these things together and start bringing.
<v Speaker 2>To help you in two ways.
<v Speaker 1>Please.
<v Speaker 2>One the Solin pattern Miklsolin of nineteen ninety two. It
<v Speaker 2>is awarded under the Russian Federation just after the end
<v Speaker 2>of the Cold War. This is technology that was developed
<v Speaker 2>during the Cold War. They used a massive free electron
<v Speaker 2>laser in a melt furnace. This was to melt refractory
<v Speaker 2>materials using a free electron laser. It's a huge device.
<v Speaker 2>And what they did is they take tungsten or other
<v Speaker 2>refractory metal. They hit the laser into the tungsten and
<v Speaker 2>it produced a melt zone that went out to an
<v Speaker 2>area where it was solid. So there was a phase
<v Speaker 2>boundary that produced vibe frequencies that the produced standing waves
<v Speaker 2>in that melt with the free electron laser coming in
<v Speaker 2>and in that pattern. Bearing in mind, this is five
<v Speaker 2>years before they actually created an officially accepted Bose Einstein condensate.
<v Speaker 2>He said, you get electron solotoms producing two kinds of
<v Speaker 2>magnetic charges. He doesn't say a magnetic north and a
<v Speaker 2>magnetic south monopole, but he says two kinds of magnetic charges,
<v Speaker 2>and it calls it a quantum coherent nuclear reactor and
<v Speaker 2>the reactions occur in there.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>Secondly, same thing when Bogdanovich, I think it's in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one from the Moscow Nuclephysics institute they were doing.
<v Speaker 2>This is not a free electron laser. But here where
<v Speaker 2>I'm going with this. They had electrical discharges and two
<v Speaker 2>hundred bias through water. So water is the fuel going
<v Speaker 2>through the water vapor on a hy water jet flow
<v Speaker 2>shearing on the metal and they were firing two thousand
<v Speaker 2>volt discharges through Okay, this produced these ring sola tom plasmoids.
<v Speaker 2>And he has this paper called video recordings of long
<v Speaker 2>lived plasmoids that moved around on the metal surface glowing
<v Speaker 2>for two days. Now, when I made a big hooha
<v Speaker 2>about this paper because it was showing something that was
<v Speaker 2>able to stay stable for two days without anyone feeding
<v Speaker 2>any energy and produce light and moving around of its
<v Speaker 2>own propulsion, there was a guy who self proclaimed he
<v Speaker 2>was a military researcher who reached out to me. We'd
<v Speaker 2>already be having a conversation, and he said, this is
<v Speaker 2>interesting because we used to use a free electron laser
<v Speaker 2>to harden military landing gear. So they would use this
<v Speaker 2>free electron laser, put it over landing gear, and suddenly
<v Speaker 2>the landing gear was harder. Now you can imagine that's
<v Speaker 2>because it's been compressed in space of time by something
<v Speaker 2>that's going in there. But he said, these little glowing
<v Speaker 2>objects were on the land and gear. So he went
<v Speaker 2>back to the people they used to work with, because
<v Speaker 2>they're all retired, and so what did you used to
<v Speaker 2>do with those? Saying, oh, we've just got a wire
<v Speaker 2>brush and brushed them off and go what And he said, well,
<v Speaker 2>did you ever look to see how long they lasted?
<v Speaker 2>He said they were glowing two months later. I can't
<v Speaker 2>hear you, sorry, you switched off your audio.
<v Speaker 1>This reminds me of the Marauder program from the early
<v Speaker 1>nineties that I was looking into, where I'm trying to
<v Speaker 1>find really good research on it. It's hard, but essentially
<v Speaker 1>they had this rail gun plasma railgun that they started
<v Speaker 1>on the nineties early nineteen ninety published the work in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three and publicly said the Golden Marad program
<v Speaker 1>was to accelerate highly dense toroids containing plasma's to high
<v Speaker 1>speeds could be used for hypervelocity particles, X ray production,
<v Speaker 1>and electrical power amplification. Supposedly the program was super successful,
<v Speaker 1>but then it just went dark, and then they also
<v Speaker 1>kind of claimed that it wasn't successful at the same time.
<v Speaker 1>So this was exactly the kind of thing I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>for because this aligns perfectly with hal Putoff and Ken
<v Speaker 1>Shoulders research in the late nineties or eighties to then
<v Speaker 1>roll into this where they realized, Okay, we can make
<v Speaker 1>balls of plasma. Now can we shoot them? Now? Can
<v Speaker 1>we start to do crazy things with them? I'm guessing
<v Speaker 1>what really happened during this project is they figured out
<v Speaker 1>what you just said, that they can make these stable
<v Speaker 1>balls of plasma, and they went, oh boy, we found
<v Speaker 1>something like really big here where it's not just shooting
<v Speaker 1>this plasma something it like crid. They were probably noticed
<v Speaker 1>it was staying stable for like five or ten seconds,
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, wait what And then they take that
<v Speaker 1>to the next level right and start engineering, Oh, we
<v Speaker 1>can potentially do that because listen to this. I'm just
<v Speaker 1>going to read this. In nineteen ninety three, the Phillips
<v Speaker 1>Laboratory developed a coaxial plasma incapable of accelerating one to
<v Speaker 1>two milligrams of plasma by up to one billion gs
<v Speaker 1>in a toroid of one meter in diameter the toroid.
<v Speaker 1>They're similar to spiral max but different that an interconductor
<v Speaker 1>is used to accelerate the plasma and that a confined
<v Speaker 1>barrier results from interactions of the toroid with the surrounding atmosphere.
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, what are they saying. They're saying, we're
<v Speaker 1>trying to make a little plasma balls in the sky.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's one meter in diameter. This is not little.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the one meter one meter in diameter.
<v Speaker 2>And I think I've read this before.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, one meter. So you're like, Okay, these aren't
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a big plasma ball, man, that's a big
<v Speaker 1>plasma And the ones we need in the image through
<v Speaker 1>some of zero videos are only like six meters in diameter.
<v Speaker 2>I would not like that coming at me at one
<v Speaker 2>tenth light.
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think you're gonna see it coming either.
<v Speaker 1>I think you're just gonna not be there anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there's two two points to this. The first
<v Speaker 2>is that Nicola Tesla in nineteen five five disclosed what
<v Speaker 2>he called electrical particles of mata gun. If you go
<v Speaker 2>to the Martin Fleischer Memorial project and type in Tesla,
<v Speaker 2>I think it's about the third or fourth thing, and
<v Speaker 2>it links out to a discussion on this, But it
<v Speaker 2>looks like an EVO gun. He either fed tungsten wire
<v Speaker 2>through as the electrode or a fluid mercury that forms
<v Speaker 2>a tailor cone really high pulsed electricity, and it goes
<v Speaker 2>through what's called an open ended vacuum tube. So he
<v Speaker 2>had compressed air or dry steam coming through the outside
<v Speaker 2>so that it produced a deep vacuum in the launch chamber,
<v Speaker 2>so that the launch chamber came out and produced what
<v Speaker 2>he called an electrical particles of matter gun. And that
<v Speaker 2>was in nineteen thirty five. And so there's that, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to think what the other point was. Anyway,
<v Speaker 2>this is doable. It's been doable for a long time.
<v Speaker 2>And oh yeah, so yeah, if you go to our
<v Speaker 2>I did a steam it blog on this. I think
<v Speaker 2>it was on X look up Jenna Moosa in June.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was twenty seventeen. She describes how the
<v Speaker 2>US military phone the journalists up and they ask them
<v Speaker 2>to put all of their metal and electronic equipment on
<v Speaker 2>the ground, otherwise they will fry like isis. And this
<v Speaker 2>is because the US dropped what they call their electricity bombs,
<v Speaker 2>and they have no idea, no one, no other name
<v Speaker 2>for them, because there seems to be a lot of
<v Speaker 2>electricity discharging when these things hit them, and everyone fries
<v Speaker 2>if they've got any metal. They're all their combs or
<v Speaker 2>whatever just blow up. So you can go and have
<v Speaker 2>a look at this. And they literally show a US
<v Speaker 2>military guy holding up an Isis sword. One's presumed it's Isis.
<v Speaker 2>It's in the same thread, and the sword looks like
<v Speaker 2>it's been at the bottom of an ocean for about
<v Speaker 2>a thousand years. It's got like all this ridiculous rust
<v Speaker 2>on it. And if a guy was walking around with
<v Speaker 2>a rusty sword, that's not a thing to be proud
<v Speaker 2>about it, right. I think that got rusty because it's
<v Speaker 2>full of these structures that pull in oxygen. Love to
<v Speaker 2>pull in oxygen, pull in moisture, and it rapidly decays
<v Speaker 2>the metal. It's a signature of the effect. So I
<v Speaker 2>think these were used to end ISIS in a couple
<v Speaker 2>of weeks back in the first Trump he unleashed several
<v Speaker 2>unused weapons in that process.
<v Speaker 1>No, man, So I want to read off some of
<v Speaker 1>these locky Martin pats. I think we'll kind of wind
<v Speaker 1>down the conversation, but I want to go through some
<v Speaker 1>of this because one of the things I did so
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at some of the patents that were
<v Speaker 1>out there by Lockheed Martin looking at this plasma stuff
<v Speaker 1>kind of look at the history of it, and I
<v Speaker 1>asked the AI, you know, look at this idea of
<v Speaker 1>you know, these plasma orbs, and tell me which patents
<v Speaker 1>Locking Martin might have to be Brellan from before twenty sixteen,
<v Speaker 1>so pretty older ones. Systems and Methods for Plasma Propulsion
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six pretty much exactly the same as
<v Speaker 1>what the Marauder program was talking about, systems for generating
<v Speaker 1>coherent matterwave beams. Of course, we've got our one and
<v Speaker 1>only favorite. It came back with heating plasma for fusion
<v Speaker 1>power using magnetic field oscillation twenty fourteen. That one, I
<v Speaker 1>knew you might like that one, because not only is
<v Speaker 1>vortex motion one way to stabilize, but squeezing vibration, I
<v Speaker 1>think is going to be another way they can be done.
<v Speaker 1>And this one even says Marauder connection. The patents focus
<v Speaker 1>on compact plasma confinement resonates with Marauders magnetized toroids, suggesting
<v Speaker 1>a shared interest in controlling plasma structures. And then another one,
<v Speaker 1>there's only I think one or two more magnetic field
<v Speaker 1>plasma confinement for compact fusion reactor Lockheed Martin, twenty fourteen.
<v Speaker 1>This one says the compact plasma confinement mirrors marauders to
<v Speaker 1>roidal formation, suggesting Lockheed Martin's expertise and magnetized plasmas.
<v Speaker 2>And then the last one, Yeah, student skunk Works, they've
<v Speaker 2>been talking about using that in a small reactor, and
<v Speaker 2>they talked about it at least five years ago, saying
<v Speaker 2>they would have a reactor ready in five years. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know when they are with that, because oh, I.
<v Speaker 1>Think they had the reactor ten years ago, twenty years ago.
<v Speaker 1>And then the last one just in encapsuling in magnetic
<v Speaker 1>fields for plasma confinement defines a reactor with an open
<v Speaker 1>field magnetic system and encapsuling magnetic coils forming a magnetosphere
<v Speaker 1>to confine plasma. I mean to me, that sounds like
<v Speaker 1>I don't see anything about.
<v Speaker 2>Walls on that.
<v Speaker 1>So my takeaway from those is, Wow, they have figured
<v Speaker 1>out perfect plasma confinement and they're hiding it. And then
<v Speaker 1>it's like, holy crap, if that is true. I keep
<v Speaker 1>thinking about what Elon Musk has been saying about if
<v Speaker 1>they knew if they had this, they would be take
<v Speaker 1>putting me out of business. Why aren't they doing that?
<v Speaker 1>Why aren't they The answer is money. They don't hear
<v Speaker 1>about money, They don't care about money. Money doesn't matter them.
<v Speaker 2>The easiest thing is to make weapons. If you've got
<v Speaker 2>something that likes to chew stuff up and turn it
<v Speaker 2>to dust or jelly, then then and you don't have
<v Speaker 2>to worry about confinement, because you're just trying to make
<v Speaker 2>things disappear. You know, it's the upper hand of all
<v Speaker 2>upper hands. If you can make things fall apart and
<v Speaker 2>you don't even see it coming, and once it's gone,
<v Speaker 2>it's just a pile of dust and you don't even
<v Speaker 2>know what it was before. Right, You want to keep
<v Speaker 2>that to your chest, isn't It isn't about do we
<v Speaker 2>want to make people's you know, coffee cheap. It's to keat.
<v Speaker 1>It's not about It's not about being the richest person
<v Speaker 1>in the world either. It's not about that at all.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, once you have a billion dollars, you're good
<v Speaker 1>to go. You can do anything you want for the
<v Speaker 1>rest of your life. After you have a billion dollars,
<v Speaker 1>It's not about being the richest anymore. It's about who's
<v Speaker 1>got the most power. And how do you have power? Well,
<v Speaker 1>you have weapons that can vaporize people, that can teleport things.
<v Speaker 1>You control the banking system, you control people's perception of it.
<v Speaker 1>That's power. Who cares how many billions of dollars.
<v Speaker 2>You have you run? What they're running for now is
<v Speaker 2>energy sources that can power AI, which means they can
<v Speaker 2>monitor everyone in real time and poke them in a
<v Speaker 2>direction through nudging. In any way, can I just give
<v Speaker 2>a quick rundown of how I see the process as
<v Speaker 2>as in my mind at this current time, just as
<v Speaker 2>a short overview essentially. In that paper by BOGDANOVICHATAOL twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty one, Videogal Recordings of Long Lived Plasmoids, they reference
<v Speaker 2>the paper I was aware of before from a guy
<v Speaker 2>called Vishnevski. It was given an ASTCI conference in two
<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, and he talks about how using standard
<v Speaker 2>mainstream mathematics you can create a diraq monopoles quasi topological monopole.
<v Speaker 2>Heny describes that you get these electrons that are out
<v Speaker 2>of phase, they come down, become cooper pairs, and they
<v Speaker 2>go down to is what is called in the Kerr
<v Speaker 2>human type of black hole, a ring singularity. It's a
<v Speaker 2>ring of coherent electrons are the very specific limit by
<v Speaker 2>which they can go and accumulate energy. That means your
<v Speaker 2>magnetic strength goes up and up and up, and when
<v Speaker 2>you exceed ten to the fifteen teslas, you start pulling
<v Speaker 2>photons out of the vacuum. And when you reduce the
<v Speaker 2>amount of photon pressure in the vacuum, atoms start to
<v Speaker 2>fall apart. And the next step is that your protons
<v Speaker 2>go through color disconfinement and you get quarks and gluons,
<v Speaker 2>and the quarks as you pull them out of a
<v Speaker 2>proton and a neutron, they actually synthesize an antiquark from
<v Speaker 2>the ether. You have to give it enough energy for
<v Speaker 2>it to synthesize an antiquark, and when it does that,
<v Speaker 2>you get mesons, and mesons decay into electrons, photons and neutrinos.
<v Speaker 2>The neutrinos go away, So you're converting matter directly into
<v Speaker 2>electrons and photons, and this is the core that drives
<v Speaker 2>the oval magnetohydrodynamic structure. And any matter it doesn't whether
<v Speaker 2>it's bogies or defecate into it, you can do whatever
<v Speaker 2>you like. It's fuel any matter because when you have
<v Speaker 2>a significantly strong magnetic field mataphalls apart. And there is
<v Speaker 2>a guy called Kramer in nineteen eighty three that discussed this.
<v Speaker 2>Once you create a magnetic monopole in this case is
<v Speaker 2>pseudo magnetic monopole topological monopole. Using this Visionevski process, you
<v Speaker 2>end up being able to disassemble matter and that gives
<v Speaker 2>you unlimited energy. And because the structure itself is a
<v Speaker 2>form of propulsion, the food that you feed it from
<v Speaker 2>in front, which it pulls out of the way, depressurizing
<v Speaker 2>the vacuum in front, and as it comes in behind,
<v Speaker 2>that feud that comes in behind drives the magneta hydrodynamic
<v Speaker 2>process and it becomes what is called a quark gluon plasma,
<v Speaker 2>specifically electron quark gluon plasma. And when you have an
<v Speaker 2>electron quark gluon plasma, this produces a much smaller structure
<v Speaker 2>that is able to do the MHD because quarks and
<v Speaker 2>cells have a negative charge, that produces a magneta hydrodynamic
<v Speaker 2>structure not of electrons, but of quark gluon plasma. And
<v Speaker 2>this is what Ken Shoulders referred to. This guy called
<v Speaker 2>s v Adamenko Adamenko has a book. It's called Controlled
<v Speaker 2>Nuclear Synthesis, and when I was verifying my thinking, it's
<v Speaker 2>literally in that book. It's seven hundred and fifty pages.
<v Speaker 2>You can go and buy it now on my ex
<v Speaker 2>for the Martin Fleischmann WORIM project. Guy called Eden has
<v Speaker 2>just published a PDF downloadable. You can go and have
<v Speaker 2>a look at it. Search in. You know, it's one
<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty pound book. I encourage people to buy it,
<v Speaker 2>but I can't stop him. He's posted this link so
<v Speaker 2>you can go and have a look at it. You'll
<v Speaker 2>see quark, glue and plasma all over that.
<v Speaker 1>And so I.
<v Speaker 2>Just last point. You can get a quart glue on
<v Speaker 2>plasma that's less than seven hundred seven hundred nanometers, which
<v Speaker 2>is smaller than the small size of one micron from
<v Speaker 2>the minimum exotic vacuum object, and that can produce the
<v Speaker 2>field of ten to into the fifteen tesla. So it
<v Speaker 2>becomes self sustaining at that point. So what I'm just
<v Speaker 2>described to you there is how you can convert an
<v Speaker 2>electrical pulse of coherent matter into a topological monopole that
<v Speaker 2>gets to through resonans, a coherent energy magnetic field that
<v Speaker 2>depreciates the vacuum pressure by capturing photons into the event
<v Speaker 2>horizon of the Kernuman black hole, and that leads to
<v Speaker 2>the disassembly of matter through all of the strengths of bonds.
<v Speaker 2>You can have all the way down to quark gluons,
<v Speaker 2>and then you get a different It's a phase change.
<v Speaker 2>This isn't a solid, this isn't a plasma. This is
<v Speaker 2>a quark gluon plasma, specifically an electronquark glue on plasma,
<v Speaker 2>and that forms a plasmoid in the pattern of the
<v Speaker 2>original plasmoid, which can shrink down further. It's fricking amazing.
<v Speaker 1>I want to explain because this is ASO sounds like
<v Speaker 1>what I think Randall Mills understand. He's trying to make
<v Speaker 1>sense of what he knows is possible scientifically, so I
<v Speaker 1>think he has to his credit he explains what you said,
<v Speaker 1>which I would call the life cycle of energy and matter,
<v Speaker 1>because the concept is if you convert matter to light,
<v Speaker 1>matter to energy, you are extracting or you are either
<v Speaker 1>expand expanding or contracting space time in that process. So
<v Speaker 1>now it becomes a reversible process if you want to,
<v Speaker 1>I think, let me say this correctly if you convert
<v Speaker 1>matter to energy, you are expanding spacetime, I think, and
<v Speaker 1>I think if you're converting energy back to matter, you're
<v Speaker 1>contracting it. I may have that back. So I'm just
<v Speaker 1>gonna be I'm gonna say it confidently. We're just gonna
<v Speaker 1>hope that it works out. But isn't that really simplified,
<v Speaker 1>because now when you understand that you can engineer physical reality, you.
<v Speaker 2>Can both matter out of what apparently is nothing, and
<v Speaker 2>you can unlike mata exactly. It's God's toolbox and it's
<v Speaker 2>it's fricking amazing. Everything that I've just told you is
<v Speaker 2>mainstream physics. It does not need any will talk. And
<v Speaker 2>you can go and look up quark, glue and plasma
<v Speaker 2>now on Wikipedia and you will see that it is
<v Speaker 2>the prima materia. It is the state of the universe
<v Speaker 2>before hadrons, which are quark antiquarks like mesons and baryons,
<v Speaker 2>which are up down quarks in packets of three, where
<v Speaker 2>the color charges add up to white, which are your
<v Speaker 2>neutrons and protons. So this is the pre state or
<v Speaker 2>before me, before hadrons and baryons. So you are literally
<v Speaker 2>creating inside the core of these structures a little new universe. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a good spot to end it. I
<v Speaker 1>think we have now just kind of blown the lurd
<v Speaker 1>off of everything related to plasma, cold fusion, free energy,
<v Speaker 1>and literally just the nature of the universe as smaller
<v Speaker 1>scale engineering reality all the way up. Bob Green here,
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for being on my podcast today.
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, it's a pleasure.
<v Speaker 1>Shout out thing you want to shout up?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, please come to my blog at remote view dot
<v Speaker 2>I see you. Please go and look at the work
<v Speaker 2>of this guy god, what's his name, sb Adamenko. Go
<v Speaker 2>and have a look. There's a link someone's put it
<v Speaker 2>on my x the MFMP at MFMP YouTube channel, and
<v Speaker 2>go and have a look. Listen to my last presentation
<v Speaker 2>that I gave, and I'm going to do a huge
<v Speaker 2>presentation tonight on consciousness and how this fits in. It's
<v Speaker 2>going to be pre recorded. It's the presentation I gave
<v Speaker 2>last week, and I think it's going to make a
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. It's going to tie in how the
<v Speaker 2>reasons why people can summon these things can control this
<v Speaker 2>technology through consciousness, and I think it's going to be
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a shock people.
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's going to be awesome. Bob Well, thank you
<v Speaker 1>very much, can't wait to see your Cosmic summit, and
<v Speaker 1>thank you everybody else forward to see you guys later later,