Giant Bombcast 07-05-2011

Hey everyone, It's Tuesday, July the fifth, twenty eleven, and you were listening to the Giant Bomb cast. I'm Ryan Davis joining me, Viny Caravella, Jeff Gerstman and Brad Shoemaker. Wow, what a great Fourth of July weekend? How you guys? That was crazy? Oh? Sun burnt, hungover and full of meats. Surprise. I made it out of there alive. It's me too. I'm a ghost. Vinny doesn't actually exists. That's how good his Fourth of July. We can. That's how you celebrate, motherfucker. So tell me about it. How was How was your It was great? It was fantastic. We built a roller coaster and ran all the way through San Francisco and the roller coaster it was pretty awesome. I don't think you're telling the truth. Well, that sounds absurd and fantastic. Have you ever been a ghost? Oh? It was a ghost roller coast? Good, the Great Ghost Coaster? Why did you do? It's my favorite Peanuts special, The Great Ghost Coast four? Yeah, right, exactly. Oh you got the Great Ghost Coaster? Well, Christian Charles Schultz a rock. All the line is, Hey, do you know the true spirit of the Great Ghost Coaster. Let's move off. We got a limited time. Yeah, because fourth July is ending quickly? True, true enough. I have no idea what to talk about here, you guys. I'm out of out of stuff. I played the Uncharted multi I watched Brad plays talk. Let's talk about games. I saw dude turn into spiders. Dude, you can turn into spiders. Wait, hold on, you guys actually were able to trigger the We were not. Oh you saw dude a ringer on our team name Batsman Bass valuable player of the Uncharted three Quick Look Batsman was able to change. So what does that? What spiders? How do you turn into spiders? Press a button? Which taking issue like that this is canonical, like the series is going to some sort of high sci fi fantasy. Well maybe I was. Remember when you fought blue guys and the fighting blue guys and turning into spiders are two totally different things. I have this discussion Brad curse. Yeah, on the on the quick Look, which was I feel like that series never went into hocus pocus magic, right. It was always kind of like Scooby Dooish, where like that looks magical and then it's like no, it's just mirrors or eat a fruit or there's something explain that kind of there were monsters in the first but they were monster monsters. They were they were they were like there's based in some kind of reality of like, well, you know this radioactive fruit or whatever it was. I don't know it. I don't know if i'd go there's a healthy amount of mysticism. There is mysticism, but it's not they don't explain completely supernatural. It's not, but it's kind of there's no ghost coaster yet. Yeah, so I was thinking voodoo curses yet, like some kind of like oh, like the curse of the whatever might turn you into like spiders, but then it won't actually be spiders. I don't know. It's like some kind of like Scooby Doo style like oh, like it was you know, the spiders were there all the time and like Elaine just got abducted kind of thing. I'm also just happy to accept that. As as for the multiplayer mode, we decided to throw some crazy shit in there, like I'm I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't need it to necessarily be like and you just turn into spiders, yeah, like spiders and what does that do? Like they crawl in your mouth, in your ears? What else is? So? I didn't get to do it myself, so I don't know exactly how you control it. Fun fact, you eat ten thousand spiders every year while you're asleep, Well that's the average. Yeah, so some people are eating nine hundred ninety nine counting the ones that crawl in your ear right or the ones that are drinking out of your eye. I'm gonna crawl on the spiders here and see how he likes it, probably not very very well and sing sing bad past boy lyrics. I think that sounds really dumb. Why not? How is that anything but awesome? I don't nothing about that sounds awesome. I think it's it's pretty creepy in the context of like your third person multiplayer shooter. Well, who knows what else is in there? I guess yeah, I guess they're not they're not putting all their cards on the table. Okay, it sounds super stupid. They hardly even look like it's like a carpet of like the darkness. What would you prefer? Like you can unleash dogs after seven kills, like you know, that's at least rooted the dogs run in from all I got morph into a dog like the the I much better with what's my native video or anything like that. It's it's keep talking, you're selling me on your super stupid game. You're not helpful. So Snoop Dogs stars in the next Call of Duty game and it's got a really bad morph filter on it. It's actually the new Uh. I don't know. I wouldn't worry about it too much either way. To be fair, that was the only ridiculous kill streak that I've seen in that beta that that's Isn't that almost worse though? More? Yeah, I can't There's there's no way they're all in that beta. There's got to be other stuff they're holding back. Dude. My fear is that there's just someone back in the audio going, fuck, I don't know, what do you what if you turn into spiders? Sureased on based on the rest of that beta, it is not as slapdash as that, all right, Like they're clearly putting a lot of work and effort and then thought into health. It seemed fun. Yeah, there's pretty a lot of thought in like, I don't know, man, spiders, scorpions, that's stupid. If I had to in this pitfall, if I had to speculate, I'd say that they like created that whatever that spider tech is. You see it in the trade in the campaign, so so like and it looks impressive the way that that stuff moves, and just kind of like that group mentality basically, And I could, I could, I could, if I could speculate here, like maybe it's like, all right, we have this awesome tech that we use these couple of times in the single player, Let's figure out some way to get this shit in the multiplayer because it looks so goddamn awesome. Turn into a flamethrower, that's pretty cool. Why would you? We'll just your arm because the tech awesome. Really, No, see that you're on board, Like, like no, and I think that would be even worse. I don't know. Jeff doesn't know what to believe. I don't know what's real and what's not anymore. I know that I cannot turn into a spider, but I can fire a gun. And Nathan Drake seems like the sort of dude who would not turn into spiders. How do you know it's not pirate or treasure hunter? That's my favorite it's probably down with being Spider for Pirate. Definitely Pirate all about turning it too. So if you guys, have you played enough of that to like unlock any of the other, like at least apparent stuff, because so much to unlocked. I did like the unlocks for the appearance stuff is weird because so you rank up with experience points, that's what gets you the gameplay relevant like booster what do they call it? Boosters and so many backs. Yeah, there's boosters. There's also weapon mods. You can buy boosters mid game. There are boosters cash only boosters. Yeah, that I think only last for one map. I dude, I don't know. There's so much going on, and then there's and then there's the whatever the hot zone with the flash flash points power play. Can't player get the crisping sleeve attachment for your weapon and you can put the thing in there and then just get the heat gun. Yeah, there's Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, if you can't tell, it's a little hard to parse all of the stuff that's happening in that page. There's a lot uncharted TV playing the entire time, right, So is that just like pre recorded because I was trying to figure out if that was just like, okay, there they just looping trailers. It's just trailers. I'm actually like watching other people say it's all it's all trailer stuff. But you can see after it comes out, maybe they you know, they message the multiplayer community with the start a weekly show talking about multiplayer multiplayer Uncharted. Yeah, I guess what hours? Two hours a week. You were right, the spiders thing was weird. We're taking it out. They're not check out what's new and Uncharted con coming twenty twelve. Now you can turn into spiders. So yeah. There's also the appearance stuff, that's what you're asking. Yes, so okay, so all the all the stuff that affects the way you play, uh just comes as you rank up and buy it with money. But the appearance of money, yes, okay, But the appearance unlocks are actually tied to these like random treasure drops that happen. Okay, there's all the there's like at least in the beta, there's like two dozen like little treasure sets, like you mean like like trench style or it'll like appear somewhere like there's a there's a there's a three item historical currency set that is like three different like here's an Aztec coin and then here's this other. Yeah, like like he's a Byzantine coin or whatever, and you have to like randomly find those three things to unlock whatever that set gets you. It's I haven't haven't. I haven't figured out any kind of like rhyme or reason to how you get those things other than they just kind of randomly drop off people or in levels. It's weird. So it's not even necessarily associated with kills. It might be I don't know. It's like it seems like sometimes the treasures were procking when like you would kill a guy maybe, but sometimes just those were metals which are one like one that would drop or whatever, the metals, but they seemed like treasure would also come. I don't know. Sometimes, but sometimes it's in like a randomly spawning chest on the map. It's man, I don't know. There's a lot. There was a level. There's a ton of shit going on in this space, was like yeah, but it's it was super fun. It all seems really well. There there was a multi stage level I think it was the airfield, right. It begins stage one of that part one or that level is the cargo plane. It's on the infinite runway while trucks are pulling up to the infinite did I never saw a take off? It took it took off. I never saw it take it fade the black and said plane took off. If you've seen I think they put out some footage of like drake in a jeep trying to chase a plane as it taken off. It like jumps on the landing level. They turned that into a multiplayer mask. So dudes are in jeep brazy spawning in the jeeps moving the team is like spawning in these jeeps that are and they're not stationary like that sounds like the most incredible thing. I don't The jeeps are not matching speed with the plane. They're like sort of getting closer and then falling back like water and onto the ramp. You're actually driving jeeps. You're just jumping fighting. You're like taking cover down in the bed of this pickup and like shooting like a mountain of spiders or driving the jeep. Is there is there an AI dude driving the jeep. It's just I mean, it's basically just moving platforms. If you want to you want to be reductive. So they're they're they're not like open they are they're like sort of pick up eache like you can. So they're behind the there's a cab and there. Okay, okay, you're having firefights from the back of these jeeps, the jeeps that there are other jeeps like around the side of jeeps. The trucks. The lock this down. Man, I think they're I think they're like pickup truck, pick up truck. There's one giant truck, it's like a cargo truck, and then there's smaller view whatever. But it was cool. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a way for them to get like some of that uh, the over the top like kind of scripted action set piece stuff from the campaign into the multiplayer. No, that's it's different. That's insane. That sounds awesome, it looks super impressive. It's just it's it's really exciting. Yeah, well no, absolutely, just and so so the other like the like the other team is just trying to like a hole up in the plane. They spawned like kind of in the cargo area of the plane and then like the cargo ramp is down, so they have like a line of sight to the to the jeeps and up. It'd be a good idea. I think we just closed this and then we have to worry about those guys in these jeeps or trucks or wherever the fuck they're in. And then I guess so then the plane took off soon, yeah, and then it moves on. The plane took off, and then it kind of moves on to like a station area, just like you're fighting in an airfield and stuff. Okay, so that's like not the full that's not the full map. It's okay, sort of like you start with that part and then transition into and I couldn't tell if it was time limited or if like the other team was. This was in team deathmatch, so I guess they weren't going for an objective or anything. But oh, you know, the other thing was said, there's a three three team death match. Yeah, it was just kind of mind here, next level team death match, but it was only those pairs of Yeah, it's actually the teams are pairs and there's like a buddy system you can spawn on your teammate and stuff like that. I saw some of them and some of the other modes of the Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was fun. I like the dynamic of that, like two on two on two. Well, you were with Batsman, that's true. I was playing a bat you know, I'm not gonna had you had your ringer. I can't can't knock past man. Did he just a guy that you just ran? He was killing it? He used randomly got into Yeah. Yeah, we match match made into the six players and he ended up on my team. Isn't some inside man? Not not at all? Okay, I don't think so. But I couldn't have been more pleased because there was no way I was gonna get the spiders myself. Like the getting the kill streeks is really hard, at least that one, because it's the highest level one in the beta. And yeah, I played like one match of the of that game when they first, like the first day that they put it out last week, and just got smoked. Just people. Yeah they worked because because it it does feel a lot like the Uncharted too multiplayer, Like a lot of those same ideas still apply. So if you've been playing a lot of that, you're going to come into this with a fair amount of scale. Your transition easily. I mean some of the controls are different, like Square melee is for them, and you know a lot of games it's reload, right, it was. I was meleeying a lot when I wanted to reload and stuff. But yeah, there's people out there at level thirty already. And then we hit the replay at her and then we broke the game. Yeah, don't don't stress the cinematic troad too hard. You're trying to find the guy turning at the spiders again. And we killed it and then that was the end of that wa end of the quickly. But I've got trantulus at the San Francisco Zoo right now. I saw that through Labor Day. I'm not going there. Don't go to the zoo. No, so I have an exhibit. There's just trantulas or trance is not. They're not poisonous, right yeah, oh yeah, they can be. Yeah, I think like some right, but like but not like usually, not like like black Widow style. No, no, not like very dangerously. It's more for bugs, be stingy, kind of like Daddy long legs. Isn't that the most poisonous you know what? That sounds like an urban legend I've always wondered. Oh, like they're the most poisonous, but they're they can't. Actually, things are too soft Smith, That's what I love. It sounds like some bullshit. Ye I bet it is. Sounds like some bull I don't want to hear about the racers. I want to talk to more about spiders, Jeff, not really, not just talk about some tarantulas. No, just wandering around. How about how about how about the broad recoluse. They thought it'd be a really good idea to have them with the zoo within like the bars on those cages or pretty far apart huge. It's wandered right out. Oh no, fuck, we didn't plan this out very well. Now there's just tarantulas all over the place. That's gross. We can get a guy to come in, but he can't make it till labor day. So let's spin this marketing. Do your best. If you squint, they're probably sleeping. They're under a rock. You just kind of gotta look they're they're in there. Yeah, they're definitely there, in there. John Goodman's came by. Where's Waldo? It's like that, but with tarantulas. Find the tarantula. He's on your head. Oh god, if your tenth visitor takes home a tarantula. Maybe get it off, get it off, get it off too big, the Fittner and nostrils they can jump though that game also, uh, in case it weren't it wasn't already apparent. It looks phenomenal. Yes, it does uh and runs really smooth. There's some some lighting stuff that they're doing in that game that not even necessarily like tech wise of just how they're using just existing lighting and shadow tech. That just looks fucking fantastic, great looking game. Absolutely, I bet it's going to be pretty good. And hey, we're playing it on Thur's Night Throat on this week, So I Chart three multiplayer beta if you're one of the lucky millions who managed to get access to it, one of the lucky everyone, yes, who has access to it, which is why I kind of stopped. Also, I think as of the as of today, everyone has actually just open wide. Okay, great, so great, then everyone come play on Charted three with us, uh this Thursday if you can. Well, i'd see that's the part that's limited. Not everyone can turn into a spider. That was part of that was part of the special codes thing, was the spider. If you can I think you can still get that still level up to it? Oh yeah, yeah, it's just I just think I think it's unlocked from the get go, if you had that special code got it. I think many what else said? Else been going on? Els been going on? Playing some show? Go? I know, let's talk about some show. I remember this weekend all that while I'll remember soon enough what I played. But blacking out from that some Yeah, so what did I do? I did play something though, Alice, a little more, Alice, Yeah, start yet a bit more. I'm having a problem with the combat. I'm kind of nailing down where my problem is now, and it's I think it's when they locked the when you lock onto a dude, they locked the camera in place, and so the right stick becomes switched targets instead of move camera around. Yeah, and I find when I dodge, I can Sometimes I'll get in a bad camera spot, like behind an enemy or something, and I have to like turn the lock on off real quick and turn it back on because the camera doesn't spin around. Alice, I feel like when when whenever i'd find myself kind of in a corner like that, Since that dodge, since you can like dodge through stuff. It seems like sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. I don't know, I'm real. I'm still trying to nail down exactly what I can do and what I can't do. But I just they give you more weapons, uh, like they give you the umbrella to block stuff. So things are are turning up. I made it through the Mad Hatter and all that stuff very good, and it games crazy. Yeah, the right the writing is appropriate to so I want to say, like kudos to them for keeping the writing really kind of cryptic and weird. And all the dialogue is just yeah, it is like it's hardly making sense. But is that Lewis? Is that Lewis Carroll? It is that kind of just jabberwalking nonsense. Yeah, there's just feels like there should be like a meter to it or a rhyme, but it is all pros. But it's like weird, like I don't really understand what you're saying. I don't know, okay, And I like that Alice is always just kind of like annoyed or just like just like just because stop sucking around for a second. Yeah, just gonna together. Yeah, I feel like that's a good a good character and also you're coming to you go into the real world every once in a while, and that play sucks. Yeah, that's the worst. That's my that's my favorite parts of that horrible. My favorite parts of that game are the transitions running around when when whenever there's the like she's in the real world and like Wonderland starts creeping in. Like I love those parts. Everything it's fucked up. It's a bad place. It's a bad place, and Alice has gone through a lot of really horrible shits. Yeah, she's like and they and you know, it's like there's all the fairy tale trappings, but they I feel like they treat the horrible ship that she's gone through with appropriate weight for her. This is her fucking revenge tales. Steam sal is happening, but it's it's tough to really now they sell all those packs and there's nothing new in there, and like maybe occasionally there's a game that came out between the last year and this year, but I think it got like almost everything. I mean that's yeah, yeah, definitely funding that problem like this, the THHQ packs, the ID packs, the Valve packs, where it's like, yeah, these are terrific values. If I didn't didn't buy this pack last year, and there was one game different, Yeah, and then I bought that game already, so yeah, so yeah, that's it's a little sad. I don't know what I expected. Like, it's not like a new game's gonna come up just because the Steam sale went up. But uh, checking it every day, so though, we'll see what happens. You've still got your interplay pack to keep you entertained. People. Yeah, Battle Chess fantastic, the first game to feature iron sights chess Battle Chess. Uh, but yeah I haven't uh you know, I'm sure I will remember more as time goes on, but that's it for now. Jeff Gershman, Hello, what's going on? I don't know nothing much kind of hanging out. My pants keep vibrating over here. That's that's me. Also, SPI pants, you phone turned into spider pants turned in spiders. I think I have my phone spider pants. That's maybe even more alarming. If you're you're feeling vibrating in your ants and you don't have Oh do do you not ever get that? Never feel somebody talking about that as a thing like that happens to me. It always happens when I have my phone, though I don't know they've ever had it happened. I think, I don't think it's happened to me without the phone vibration in the upper right thought area. Wait a minute, nobody, nobody's calling me. What's going on? Which means that's the new way you can tell someone is talking about you somewhere else. It's not your ears vibrating, your vibrating thought vibrating. Yeah's talking about me. He's texting about you. That's a new actually new feature of iOS five Beta two. Try installed. How's that working out for you? It's okay? Are you allowed to talk about that? I don't know, sure? Sure? Yeah? Breaking in bargoes, h yeah, it's it's cool. They they're making some interesting additions to you know that stuff. It's still a beta, so there's some apps that don't run all that well. And my phone gets hot at random, which is pretty cool, like a feature. It's like whoa warm phone? Hey, I wasn't really do anything, but all right, you got super hot. I don't have any battery left? Yeah? Yeah, A couple of cases of that, but not too many there there. I don't know. There's some interesting stuff with like the notification center, and you know, like they're they're trying to replace text messages as much as they can because of the pricing because it's over the phone. It's like they've got a new thing that works with the same kind of messages app called Eye Messages, which is basically like a data oriented messenger instead of you know, using the mess protocol and stuff like that. So makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that could be cool. And like Bluetooth sinking now is that right? It's Wi Fi not Bluetooth. Yeah, oh really, yeah you use that? Yeah, I use that last night. Does it work for content or is that just for updates? Everything? It shows up in iTunes like it was there. The only thing you can't do is like update or restore firmware that for that, it says like, hey, you need to plug it in. Yeah that's probably just a power thing too. Yeah yeah, yeah, but they're also going for they're working up to over the air updates for firmware in the future anyway, so you just download that stuff. They're trying to divorce the device from right a PC or from a computer, which is smart. You know that's I have friends that are running like mad old firmware and like, no, you need you should update because your phone could do way more stuff than this, and like I don't know, I can send the text messages and un stall people. No, then it's not even for that. It's like why you know at some point doesn't have that At the point you're like, why did you get an iPhone? Right if you're not gonna use any of this other stuff? Oh yeah over the air, like just doing doing Wi Fi updates sounds awesome, although that also it sounds like this should have been in a lot longer ago. I bet it's really slow. Yeah, I'm going to guess that. I bet that is going to take fucking forever, depending on I mean, if you're putting movies and stuff on there, right, yeah, couple a couple of stuff, then probably probably weird. But for your your occasional software updates and I added an album or whatever, the my only concern is like that's the only like I often forget to plug in my phone to charge it, and like having like okay, I want to go update and sinc data or whatever is always like that's the that's the impetus. Whereas if if it's now like I can just do this wherever. I don't give a shit like it's you might if you plugged into AC power to sink. Okay, I don't so I don't. I don't know that. It actually just lets you sync wherever you want, regardless, So that might be the you got your You're you're unn iPhone. Fourn't notice any performance differences on there? No, No, it's been fun. Still probably upgrade to whatever they put out in September or whatever. God, I can't wait. Well, you get that Windows Phones, whatever you already need, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a mango on that thing. Then drop some mango up on there. Bullshit, I think of all the achievement points to be getting, I'm gonna get my Microsoft bas Angry Birds just came out from Windows Phone seven, so now you can get Angry Birds. Achievement points don't support Angry Birds. If I get that, I would be probably I'm boycotting Rovio until they clear Buckner and Garcia. Yes, exactly two pronged want them to both clear them to make that to release that song and also published the Buckner and Garcia mobile game. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing that's gonna boycott Rovio Forever. Yeah, you notice, fuck your birds tiny wings. Tiny Wings is a better game anyway. It's it's we're putting our bets write a song about tiny wings. Yeah, yeah, my knockoffs. Yeah, they're down. Totally blown away by how perfectly on the nose that was that, because Jeff, you and I were both thinking before talking to Buckner and Garcia of like okay, like what would what would you guys do now? And just like beat us to the punch, like yeah, we didn't angry Birds songs like fuck so perfect because in my mind I was like, yeah, they could write a Halo song, how dune with that? It would be stupid whatever, But I think it's too small. Yeah, apparently this is why they're Buckner and Garcia exactly. That's so, this is what separates us, Jeff, what's up? Nothing? Mash installed this new beta on my phone. Play any games man? No? I no, no, no. A couple of weeks now, have not really fantastic played much of anything. Oh they put out They put out Street Fighter four again on iPhone. You bought it again, and I bought that because I'm curious to see how the online multiplayer works. Here's how it works poorly. It's Super street Fighter four Rush. It's just street Fighter four voult Vault. It doesn't have the full all the characters in it. It has some characters from Super but you don't select which, like supers you want to use, so it's not quite super enough to be called Super. And also it's not still the iPhone version of the game. They're doing that weird thing where the price goes up by a dollar every day every day. Yeah, yeah, I bought it when it was a dollar. Yeah, I got the like one button away from doing that. Yeah, you don't even have an iPhone currently. I've been buying. I've been buying a bunch of other I phone iOS stuff for the day that I get one again. What I'm shaking my head at this is get it cheaply, get it for free. There's five copies of Unreal Tournament two thousand and four. This is this is sealed copy of Super Mario Galaxy all over again. Buying buying that phone. You'll be like, oh, it doesn't sound so great, but actually, but then what are you gonna do? Yeh choice at this point, Yeah, I force your hand. I'm in for whatever it is. Whatever you guys put out gonna buy it unless there's just something awful about it, Yeah, like it doesn't work. There's kind of always something awful about it. I mean, what's the worst that ever happened? That antenna thing? Antenna thing was pretty bad. But that's what stop thing. It's not that bad. That's That's the reason I don't even keep a case on my phone anymore. That is the reason I don't have. When we first got ours, was a little suspect. Did you get a four? When we got three? Three gsyeah? Four battery life on this one is way better. No, what would we get them for? E three? Ere we turn off three G, turn off messaging, all push notification. We got them like the day, Yeah, like the day we were Yeah, I was iPhone day plus we're going to E three day we got him to day. It wasn't It wasn't the same day. It was real close. It was. It was the day it came out. We all went, yeah and bought it the day and White and me and Jason Campo. It's six in the morning on Gary. I wasn't you were there to Oh yeah you were there and that one. Yeah, that's really met Jason there. Yeah, that's right, and we cut mine with Jason. Yeah yeah, whatever he had, like a iPhone two. We bought iPhones another crap, Wait a minute. You bought technology and then all of a sudden it was no longer good anymore. What's no? No, no, no, no, it's not that it's no, it's no longer good relative to better technology. It's no longer good relative to the way it used to be. That's the problem. They rendered that phone less functional with their bullshit updates. I bought, uh, I bought stuff on the iPad two, like Puzzle Agent two, Yes, Puzzle Agent two of it. Now, getting back to video games on iOS devices, I haven't messed with the iPad version at all yet. I didn't either, but I bought it. We did play the PC version some that is definitely still Puzzle Agents Puzzles. Oh yeah, Like that first game left me like God, I really want to play more of this game right now. Let me ask you a question. What should fans of Puzzle Agent two, Oh yeah, get the first one? Should wait? No, fans of the first game? Oh what does he what does he recommend to recommend? Yeah? What what should we do? Like? Should you if you're if you're a fan of puzzle agents. Yeah, what where does it go from there? Would you say they should perhaps rejoice? Never mind missing it? Yes? All right, man, that was really bad. I thought I thought that was. I thought that was more universally recognized. I think I am way too in my own head of of video game writing cliches. Yeah, I had the three x's up on the board on that one. Sorry, No, it was I thought I had it. Okay, now I get it. Sorry, I'm sad. I thought I thought there was something like the cultural reference that I was. Yeah, it is. It is for probably about like two thousand people on the planet Earth. You can get it on iPad two. I already know. Yeah, I think you're saying by one of them. Yeah, I was, I was. I was not in the review mindset. So yeah, miss missed that one. That's the first problem. It was good. It it's it's we only played the first couple of puzzles, but they my favorite thing at the very start of that game. They u because in the in the first Puzzle Agent, you know this this guy Nelson Tethers. It works for the Puzzle Division for the FBI, which is to say he is the Puzzle Division in the FBI, And in the first game, it almost seems like, Okay, he's like the loser nerd in this kind of made up division of the FBI, and like everyone else is doing like serious FBI crime work and they send him off to do this this dumb assignment or whatever. In the beginning of Puzzle Agent two, there's a guy from Vegetable Crimes hanging out in his office and you can get this picture of the FBI, like, oh wait, no, in this universe, all of the FBI is fucking ridiculous talking about now, yeah, the leafy green guys are you know, doing fine, but roots and tubers, man, we haven't had a good case since the Tarro murders of seventy six. Like so it's like, oh, okay, so everything in this lad universe is completely insane, so so just and it's something that they they shed like it's it's all service of like moving stuff forward, and they but they still manage to like establish this and like broaden this picture of of what the universe looks like in a really really good way, really funny way. Here you go, brad Uh. It may not be the perfect adventure game. But fans of the genre, I should definitely check it out. Okay, there you go about it. Finally, Okay, I'll speed language that we can understand loud and clear. Buddy. It's a mixed bag. It's lab It's a latent esque like more so as much. I mean, it is structurally identical to the first game. It is more puzzle agent. It is continuing the story and giving you more puzzles, faster, harder, more challenging puzzle agent. We definitely, even in the first three puzzles had some In the first puzzle, No, the first puzzle was easy. Second dragons, Yeah, it was the four dragons. Four Dragons. Now I've seen no match sticks. But I mean, based on the way the puzzles are generally done, Uh, this could work fine on an iPad. Do they seem better the puzzles? I don't know. If you remember the little story that I came out of that event, Yeah, yeah, I was talking a big game about the puzzle Master puzzles getting better. Yeah, we only saw a couple of puzzles, you know. Yeah, just starting in I didn't think there was anything wrong with the puzzles in the first game. I liked them. I don't think they were saying they were necessarily flawed or anything. It's just the Puzzle Master they stepping it up. They brought a ringer in. Yeah yeah, no, I I yeah that that game is is still awesome. I I still kind of wish there's there's a specific aesthetic to the visual style, like the kind of you know, squiggly outline, the very very hand drawn two d art kind of style. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's some of that stuff. When they do like close ups on characters, it doesn't they just like scale it. Yeah, It's just it just zooms, so it starts kind of blurring some. There's a certain amount of that that's okay, But I feel like sometimes they just they get too close. I know, Vinny, you said it didn't bother YouTube, It doesn't bother me that much. Well, it just looks like they're scaling it up. I mean yeah, I mean it's like five dollars game, right, Yeah, well between five and ten dollars. I guess it's it's four thousand dollars. It is the most expensive video game ever. Get it, so I'll take it. Yeah, what does game bust Vegetable crimes out on iPad too? Now? Available only come out first on the iPad. Yeah, like, but only ever so slightly. I think that might have just been weird rollout timing more than like a we're launching on the iPad and then although I guess you know, Samon Max. The last season is sam Max. They debuted on the iPad. Even though this is a Telltale game, this doesn't feel like the typical tell Tale It's not Tale Engine, right, maybe it isn't, but it's not political. It doesn't have that look. In more apertly, it doesn't have that that same structure. I feel like people are turning on that structure, like people are just getting tired of That's what I'm saying. They've used it, They've used it up. They need to. It's like like everybody in the world in Unison is like all all of a sudden realizing like all right, yeah, good whatever they've they've they rode that for a pretty long time. Sure, tell Tale has built a tidy little empire out of a pretty simple premise. You know, it's just the excellent. I don't feel people are being unjust when they say that. It seems like with what tell Tale has been, it's like a ground swell of that particular opinion. Well, I think it's something that I don't know. You don't want to admit because it's like you want to keep riding that the feel good people are the independent guys doing what they want to do and making it, making classic adventure games like we've all been demanding that we wanted, but now we don't actually want them as long as those people like red red dot sites and prestiging, let's not rock the boat. Said in the next seasons, Ammax, Yeah, alright, Awsome heard on board. It's all there is. It's just red dot sites. Great, point your red dot it's something, and then you prestige. I'm in you reset, sign me up, go ahead and point that red dot side something else? Can I I go? Is there like a festival for this? Can visit? I need to have there needs to be like the half Night Hero version of the competitive multiplayer first person shooter. We're just let's let's strip it down. Let's make it just the you just pull the left trigger, just pull the right trigger, and then it says you win. It's just the mouse pressing the bar to get the fucking stimulation. You need progress quests. But fantasy and more shootery. Yeah, anybody anybody else play any half minute here? Only the original one. Oh that's right, you played on the ESP Yeah, I played that game. It's pretty good. Yeah, that's cool. I still I think I liked the original arts though better. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't blow up, it's still there. I know TV size very well. But then it looks incredible because then it's just like there's and that one I'm with you and that one like when you zoo it in and it does look all fucked up, Like I kind of like some of those sprites, like you know when they're doing like a close up you for the dial boxes and stuff like here's the time got us? Like, no, this is just a mess of flickering bullshit, Like what it's a collection of colored blocks. Now you're just playing yards. Take the tape out and blowing it because something there's something dirty going on. There's like there's like ask coming out of that thing. Yeah. Someone pick up the phone line while we were downloading this and yell into the phone, yell errors into the errors something something I read that was kind of disappointed me. How much did you play, Vinny? Did you finish it? No? So Okay, Yeah, fans of bad jokes are sure to love anything that comes out of Viny Carovella's mouth. I think I had to pick my job off the floor. I think it was my delivery, my frothing demand for us humor increases the timing where I lose it. What they did everything, the whole thing, execution conception MP to bottom. That's a good well when we did in rehearsal. So anyway, it's why you rehearsed. There's this there's the campaign in the game. It's called here a thirty. It's like thirty quests. It's like that's the bulk of the game. But when you finished that, there's like three or four little side quests or like epilogus to the story that I guess in the PSP version are all like actually different kinds of games. Like one of them is an RTS. One of them is like a two D shooter. You know, I think I checked that out. Did you see that stuff? I don't know if I did, because I didn't finish the game. So I read about that stuff in the PSP version. I was like, oh sweet, there's like three other games in here, and that'll be fun to play, and I guess for this version they just remade those into like basically carbon copies of what you do throughout the entire rest of the game. So, oh weird they lost all that, all those other like game types. It's still funny and fun to play through, but it's kind of sad that they lost that stuff. Gallery Allegiance d X. That seems pretty good. Yeah, I looked pretty good. So yeah, I messed around with that for looks great a couple of minutes. It's definitely and even in that short period of time, I could tell it was way better than Galaga Legions was. And Galaga Legions, like the gameplay was you dropping down like satellites basically that shoot in in whatever direction you dropped them. So it was like, okay, you see the lines coming down, you go, okay, I need a satellite here, here, and here to take out these guys as they're coming in. That doesn't sound much like Galaga at all. No, it had nothing to do with Galaga and it was lame. So this one they got rid of that, and it's basically just a dual joystick shooter. Yeah, but with with Waves we still kind of come from the top. Yeah, Will they come from the sides and bottom a little bit. Yeah, I mean you're still kind of oriented at the bottom, so, you know, removing mechanics, they've made a better game. I just I just love the billions of Galagha sprites on screen, just the that they were able to cram into the frame and it just becomes this incomprehensible mess. It's good. It's good overload, Like you could tell that this is the d X team, Like there's a it's good. It's it's like it's manageable overload, Like it's it's an assault on your senses, but in a way that you can still keep up with and like fight back. I just like the reappropriation of these old art assets in this crazy ass new way. Billion ghosts. Yeah yeah, like I you know what, like let this team do whatever the fun they want with whatever classic Namco franchises. I love that if you go to the help screen and read about it, they point out very specifically, like the guys who made pac Man d X came in, Like I wonder, I can't imagine they did well. The language was like like members of the d X team. It didn't necessarily make it sound like that was and the exact same team, but you know, there's some DNA shared between the two and it's it's pretty apparent. Definitely. Pack To be clear, pack Man Championship Edition DX is still a better game. Game is Baller because that game is fucking amazing. It's good. But there's not a lot of music in this game. I'm not even saying like not a lot of good music. Is just not a lot period. Well. I mean there's some playing while you're shooting, but there's so many other sound effects going on it just gets drowned out, like you can't really appreciate any of that stuff. But it does have, you know, the opening little Gallaga tune. I still think they need to make a new Mappy. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that in the Quick Look. We talked about Mappy d X. Yeah, that would be what would you do? You would just have a giant microwave door that you would open and the beams would come out and pick up like a billion cats. Okay, you would get You would have a pump that would go through and pump up multiple guys at the same time, and then there would be a billion pukas and five years coming at you. And then you would drop away. You can all of them, and you can move while you are pumping, so as soon as you hit them with it, you can start moving in the other direction, keep digging while also pumping. So your design vision for DX is bigger and more. Yeah, bigger, batter. I want to hear the remix the X dig Dug song. Is that big Doug? Yeah, I'll just let's go right there, all right, you'll never get clearance. Get this to make you bucking on the line, to make your dig Dugs something that happen the final way. Yeah, I want I want Bucker and Garcia to make a giant bomb song. I want them to write a song about this stupid website and then deny them clearance. Sorry, guys, what We're just protecting our copyright. Here's our fine brand, Yes, extremely valuable. Brandy played journey, Yeah, well kind of. Brad started, Well, it's the same demo that Patrick and I want to see right before you three. Okay. I don't know if we ever talked about though. I don't think we ever do. I know you know what, I don't think you ever talked about here because I have never heard anything about what do you do in actually it was because we saw like right before you three like two days before we went down there. Okay, Journey, what do you do in that game? Where's that? You run through the desert and you jump and you find them only when you pick up a jump hesitate to even call it a power up. Okay, but when you're able to jump, you your cape is longer and glowing, and then when you jump that goes away, and then you can't jump again, earn another jue, you earn another jump? Where where's the machine gun? There are? So somebody, somebody on Twitter was trying to start a rumor that you can presstige in that beta uh and something else along those lines, and it turned out to be fake, But I thought it would have been way better if it was actually in there. What do you? Why do you have to do? What do you why do you? Where are you going? I don't know? You explore? What do you find? You? Just be okay, all right, You're just in the dest It's PlayStation home sand no and no one else there. It's just like, dude, I don't know. I wish I could tell you what are you doing? What you explore? Is it two D side scroller? Win the end. Did you did you achieve victory? I finished it? Okay? Did you journey? How did you finish? What did you have to do to finish it? Did you cover enough ground and win? Like? All right, you've had enough and fade out? I mean there's stuff, there's stuff to find. They're like ruins and stuff around, you know, just sort of piles of old Are their enemies that must be can you die? Not that? Are there tombs that have to be raided? Maybe? Are there duties that must be called? Definitely not? Are there climb stuff? You have to climb stuff? There are some climbing as you climb to win occasionally. Is it like rock and rope exactly? Like that? Actually right, It's kind of what I was thinking. Is it. Is it like isometric? I don't think it is. You literally have not seen it, yeah, screen shots maybe? Oh? Oh you okay. I literally know nothing about this. It's definitely the most video gaming video game that those guys have made for everything, And they said to describe it, and it makes it sound like the opposite in the like flour or think about this the flow was I'm saying that in the sense that you use the left stick on a controller to move a character around a three D environment. Okay, like over behind the back, like it was a third person yes, like it's a third person game. Okay, you war. Yeah, it looks amazing the sand tech, the way the sand like kind of piles up in front of your feet as you run along, and stuff like that, like just the the environment, the ambiance and all that stuff. What are the other buttons? So when when Analytic is gonna control the camera and one's gonna move That's the really funny thing. We went and saw it before you three and the only way you could move the camera was the six axis. And Patrick was, if not all for that, at least kind of like he respected that as a design direction. I really didn't care for it. But h And as of this beta, they have patched in right stick analy right, so you got camera control, So what somebody lost an argument somewhere? You can occasionally jumpcasually, you could jump? Yeah, what else are the buttons? Dud? Dude? Do you punch? There's mold? No, there's no attacks. There's if you push up to hug, there's some kind of sing. There's like a sing button, but it doesn't work consistently and it's it's supposed to come into play with multiplayer, which I haven't tried. Yeah, what do you do? Know? God damn it, dude, do you jump? I can't less about this game now than before we started talking. Imagine what's like to play? Do you earn points like the number of times you've jumped, Like you've collected eight jump power ups and use them? The game is about making your way through this desert environment and seeing what there is to see, and occasionally running into another person if they wander into your games? Can you interact with the other people? I think that's what the singing is for. Okay, but like like what like Mariah carry Oh, like a like a note, like a single tone comes out? Ah? Yeah, like that sort of like you see a little like energy kind of thing go out. Does it make a sound expand from your career? Yeah? Like it makes like like one note. And I'm I'm guessing maybe again I haven't. I haven't tried any the multiplayer, but I'm guessing maybe you kind of bounced those back and forth. I'm not sure, like abe, Like, I mean, were you guys were not aware of like the multiplayer stuff in that game? They talked about it. I remember you mentioned several times. Remember I remember hearing the thing there are no there are no like user names, no joyin dialogue or anything like you literally are playing and somebody else just happens to be in your game. Did you enjoy it? Yes? Okay, I think so. Do you get a knife? It sounds like something where it's like you need to have a night of really deep sleep after you play it you wake up next Okay, yeah, now I get I mean I don't know how long the beata goes. I only played about twenty minutes and that was it for the demo. Did you say that? Was it like what you it's it's like hit. Yes, it faded to black and the logo came up. Why because I got to wherever the end was? What is the end? Like? Wherever the end is? That's all is it? Is? It just more sand? Is the end where it ended? See a thing that makes you go like okay, okay, naturally this would be the end. Building they're a man. Do you find like bones? Jeff? I feel like you're asking for for like material answers to existential questions. Yeah, this this is not who am I really? You're the Journey. So this is a game about double Fine programmer Chris Journey, Yes, got it, and also also toward man but like the screen, eventually stop living the original arcade game Journey at any point in this game. No, but if if you if you register it on Club Nintendo on day one, they'll send you the cassette tape. Okay, all right, you get it badge that says more than a feeling on it? I and then you hit the sing button and then you both go your separate ways. It sounds like it should be the tagline for this maybe more than a feeling. Is there anything more to this game than a feeling of when when it faded out? Did it seem natural? Or you like, Oh, I guess that's it. That's the beata It seemed natural. I you know what? I think? I actually went through like a big set of double doors to the opened. Okay, so there are doors, but that's the most context that it gives you. Like, here is what used to be a temple of some kind, maybe a water, and you like you you walk around it and you might get a jump out of it. Do you get metal boots? And then you move on? There's no status screen there's no menu. There is like a boomerang? Is there save? Can you save? During? God? I hate this con Look, can you like come back and be in the same place. Yeah, I don't know how the checkpoints work. I mean that's probably for the fun you die, Do you need checkpoints? There may be a way to die at some point. I don't jump over. You have to like drain the pool and then put Bernard in the pool and then fool to fill the pool back up. All right, let me let me give you something I know I had. I clearly need to throw you a bone here. Okay, So there you find bones in the ruins. So the ruins are full of dead people. There are cloth mechanics. Let me like they're they're occasionally like what looked like giant scarves whipping around attached to like old stones and stuff. Okay, And there is one area where you kind of run around and if I remember, it's been a few weeks, but you kind of run through these different like remember what little a little and you collect the scars and you get a one hundred of them, you get extra jump for lack of a better term, like there are these little hotspots you run through and each time you run through one one of those like the big strips of cloth kind of like straightens into part of a bridge, and you it sounds like, kind of harden all of those things and a sequence to make like a bridge up to the end of the demo. That is the most mechanical thing. That's an objective. It's it's like a light puzzle. Yeah all right, but it was more a matter of just like canvassing this area and hitting each of those spots. It wasn't like something you really had to figure out. Keeping keep in mind you throw fireballs and is this is the new game from the guys that made Flight. Gets understands it is. It is not a video game in video game terms, like it is go and like experience this environment that they've created and you know, explore that like it's it is not the check out my high score in Journey. Even Flower had an objective which was to collect all that stuff. I mean, it sounds like this objective is straighten those flags. Straighten your flag well in this section of the beta, Yeah right, I get it sounds interesting. It's beautiful and it is beautiful. The environments are for what they are there second to none. Can you plant? See four on stuff? You can breach you could breach the ruin. Where's where's where's the metal gear? Rex? Under the stand? Can you dig? You can dig? Is this a sequel to Dig? Dug? You can slide? You can slide down sand dunes. See, we keep going. We're gonna break apart this game. This. Yeah, if you had enough of an incline, you can you can schedule. So this, this beta right now is pretty limited, right yeah. Yeah, I don't even know how people got into this. It was like the people that bought Flower very early on, and we're PlayStation Plus members. You could also sign up on some site and hope that you get in or something just like raffle random drawing kind of stuff. Okay, it's a really interesting game. I can't wait to see the final products. Fans of the genre. Do you feel comfortable calling it a game? Yeah? Okay, just I mean, I don't know how do you define it a game? But I don't know. Again, I don't know any means. It's it's like it's it sounds like it has all of the game parts. It's just that it is going for the like the visual and atmospheric elements. A lot more heavily than the like mechanical like game place I would define a games is I'll tell you what I would define as not a game, and that would be stuff like Second Life and PlayStation Home and these like environmental, avatar based. It's not that I think it needs A game needs to have an objective. As an objective has an objective, the objective is explore, but I mean and do whatever you like, engage. You could just easily say the objective to PlayStation Home is hang out and watch some trailers. But the game has a beginning in an end, right, I think needs to have an objective that you can complete. Yes, this is not just a place to hang out, all right, Like there will be maybe I hesitate to call it a story, but there will be some kind of contextual narrative, even even if it's just like you went from A to B and like built a bridge, and then the end you get the side and go back and kill all the ghosts. There aren't any. There are graves, actually there are. There was what looked to be a pretty good side. You can see the ghosts coming out of the graves. You have to run back through and if you pull the right grave back, you can go down and get the hook shot. Yeah yeah, all right, So okay, now I get it. Do you know, do you know if they have any plans on making this wider or I don't. I would guess not. I think it's really short data and limited access. They were saying it was only gonna be like one night a week that you'd be able to do the multiplayer stuff, but it sounds like it's just turned on right now. Is there a date for the actual release? I maybe this year, I think I think I think they're saying hopefully this year. Okay, how many hours until you get the airship? I'm curious. I'm curious about this. Yeah, for sure. I think if you were into their previous stuff, this is right up your alley. I'm still not I still don't entirely understand. I think I think I'm getting it, but I almost like an adventure game. Feels kind of like an adventure game because every environment is uniquely constructed, like hand built. You know. This sounds uh, this sounds like it's got a lot more going on than like Flower or or I guess I'm no. Wow, it's to me, the environment, the environment is very smart speaking to you. Like eight percent of this game's scenery is sand dunes. That's cool, at least from what I've seen. To me, that's more interesting than the flowery field. It says a lot about you. Yeah, I like a baron. Yeah, if you find it with flowers, you're gonna leave it stand field. What I'm saying. That's right? Sand lot too, coming. Oh pull the shoot on this one. Yeah, sounds like a great idea, kid with the freckles, All right, moving on any other games? Anything else? God, damn it. I played some more Trenched. That's really great. Uh it's I think it's did you get a trench buddy? It's it's almost time to uh nothing permanent. I haven't found my my trenched soul. You know they have that stuff that's permanent. Is it your legion? Your regiment? Yeah, your regiment? Yeah, I mean, I mean you know, I'm still getting my little bonuses out of that. That's it. It's fun. It's a great idea, like like they have put just just a sliver of progress quest in their own game of you just get to watch this bar fill up as soon as you start the game. You get in there and it unlocks like three things and you're like sweet, and you're like, oh, PRIs, I did something here. I didn't even do it. I didn't do it. Do it, dude, but you got stuff for it. Yeah, I already't even know. You could just randomly get into matches with people and it's right, Oh man, I should do that. Yet full to ten? Then get a full list of ten expand your regiment? Does it bump old people off? When you think last time I played that game, it was there was some sort of bug where I had filled up the list and it was no longer. I might have still been getting points or whatever, but it wasn't. The bars were not filling. It was very sad because I like to see the bars film. All Right, you guys want to Yeah, news Zinga is gonna IPO. They're gonna go public and were no, there, it's just wildly profitable. Now they're gonna not wildly profitable enough. Yeah no, there's no such thing. Yeah as wildly profitable enough. So going public, Uh, that just means that they will have a shipload more capital to play around with and make games with. But it also means that they will have able to answer a bunch of shareholders to answer to you. That's rights, which I don't know. I don't know if that's a bad thing for Zinga. Yeah, I don't know if if I mean whatever, I mean, you know, shareholders give a shit about quality of games as long as the money's coming in. And you could say that about a lot of Zinga releases. So yeah, yeah, but I don't Yeah, but the question is, like, put those shareholders holders on the design team, stat if if can we put another end game store in here somewhere just so happens we are Yeah, we got right here? Great, awesome? May this make me more money? Okay, make it so every time someone pushes his button, I'd get a dollar. I want a button like that. But I mean, like, where does Zinga go though? Like it? Like, so, so if if there are, if they're you know, if they're making money off of you know, they're derivative kind of shitty games, you know, are you know, also incredibly popular games? To be fair, not all of them are shitty also and also yeah and also not I definitely have several role I mean, you know, Words with Friends is a Zinger product now and I love me some Words with Friends. Their poker rapp isn't bad either, But fuck hanging with friends though, putting that out there, hang out, what do you have against nothing? I love hang man, I hate the way they've implemented it. I didn't. I haven't. Everyone styles terrible. I've not looked at any of the other with friends products. They chess Also, hanging is the newest one. Okay, so I grabbed that, and it's you're going on record here, going to the record that I don't think hanging with friends is a good product. Should I should cancel my bid on Zinga stock? Then? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, following hanging with friends terrible. Oh, I don't know. I'm no financial analyst, but that sounds like it might be a decent investment. Whatever conflict of interest. We just reviewed a Zinger game. I can't do it now, can't can't stuff. I'm just doing what I can. I get packed on a line. But I mean, they're already like operating in such a mercenary kind of way. It's like if they get to the point where they aren't being as profitable and the shareholders put the screws to them, like where does Zinga go? Well, yeah, I mean their whole business or you know, a significant the percentage of their business is built on the notion that Facebook is popular, Right, what happens if it's not? Like what happens if Google Plus somehow catches on and buries Facebook in some weird way, but then doesn't add a significant games component. Wait, Google Plus, is that like Orchid? Yeah, it's Orchid but finished? Okay, yeah, but still in beta, because you know everything on Google's in beta beta phone. Yeah. Saw a Google street View car the other day rolling down the freeway crazy Yeah, the big old crazy amount on top style. Did you make note of where you were and hope that maybe someday you could find yourself on We were on the freeway, all right. I wonder how quickly they update that stuff. I was just so but yeah, I passed the Google street View are on the freeway. You know, it's going in the other direction. And I started thinking about like the you know, like Google Maps, like they do the StreetView stuff for a lot of places. They cover a lot of ground, Like there has to be a significant squad of people out there, you know, running these cars and collecting that data. I just wondering, like what is that lifestyle? Like, what is what is the life of the Google street View drive. I feel like it's like kind of like a zamboni, Like you just gotta like do the rink in kind of overlapping, overlap like an eighth of an inch every time you do a path. But I mean, are you like, are you determining routes? Are you just need given like this is the reason that you have to cover. They had like a turn by turn GPS thing that was like all right, now I go here, All right, I go here. So it's like you're not even navigating the most of your own That sounds miserable. That sounds like that sounds like worse than being a long haul trucker. I feel like they should just be able to do with a robot, right, just like a robot just does its little turnaround or that's that's why they're working on that now. Yeah yeah, man, now I'm gonna be out of job. Yeah, that's what I do on Sundays. Also, the paint jobs on the Google street the Google street View cars are crazy. That was that was the first thing that caught my eye was like, what the fuck is wrong with this car? And it's ridiculous paint smile, you're on street view and then it passed and I saw the Google street View logo on the side, like, oh, it's one of those. Didn't even notice the giant camera on the Timebody else doing that? Is there any competitor for like Google Maps, like map quests are they doing They're doing a street view thing? There is there a being mobile? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. Anyway, Zinda's gonna go public and make a bunch of money. I don't know that's really material to anything game wise, but uh yeah it will. Your points I think are very valid, Jeff, we'll see what see it took hangman. Instead of you hanging a guy, it's you're hanging from five balloons and every time you spell a word wrong of balloon pops, that's not that's not hang man. Yeah. That Disney's closing black Rock Studios. I thought that they already on that. They just laid off most of the people in Black Rock. But now it's official. Okay, that's the split seconds. That's the split second and pure folks, that's shame. That is a shame. Not terrible games, not bad games, not enough Facebook in those games. It's true. Yeah, there was a button that you could hit to give them a dollar every time you facebooked, Yeah, every facebooks. I want. So, is Disney is still making games? Yes? Like internally yes, well I don't know. I'm not I'm not. I'm not actually clear on like what the like the internal development looks like they're I mean they're the party still have some studios, but yeah, I don't know. I mean they're partnered with Avalanche, which has done a lot of their stuff, and only there's stuff is Avalanche to. I mean, Avalanche has been around for years, but they're not like second party Disney weird. Okay, I don't know. Every time. I mean they just put out Cars too, like they're still or publishing for sure. Yeah who did cars too? Do you know Avalanche? Yeah? Okay, I wonder if the wide Load guys are still around, like the Guilty Party team. Yes, they are there. Yeah. I ran I ran into one of the wide Load dudes at E three and he was still alive and still working. We still still say that I work for wide Load, so nice. Yes, that's still a thing. Yeah, they don't have a ton of announced stuff right now. I guess like Cars Too might have been the trying to think like, oh, that well, the Disney Adventures Connect the thing car was all right, who did that? What the car to Avalanche? Avalanche Avalanche? I might go check some of that out. I got and I shouldn't even say it's got a Jian Boner got eight hundred points out of that game in about three hours. Cars too, Yeah, all right, I want to check it was not it was not necessarily like an easy eight hundred point Okay, forget it. But but it's also not a bad game, like it's that's a decent game if you if you want to sit there and slavishly go through and achievement guy telling you exactly what to do to get forty different achievements are the other two hundred like multiplayer things? No, but it was all stuff that would have required me to do everything in the game. What if I find everything about the Cars universe gross and probably just move on. There's other games, There's plenty. There are other games. Hanging with friends, that's the other that's the other games. The other game. We've talked about, both of them. See you next week. Oh, let's see here. Trenched still not out in Europe and it was discovered why Trenched It's still not out in Europe, which is that there is a Portuguese board game named Trench. You the Portuguese board game. I think I got one of those over the weekends. Explain all this. Yeah, and so they still need to get mine removed. Oh god, it's still in Oh and this is this is confirmed? What you think I'm standing up? Yeah? I believe euro Gamer did some digging and uh and found that yes, there is a trademark for Trench, which apparently is close enough to trench. Maybe it just doesn't not worth the lawsuit if I feel like, I feel like that's not really lititious, like a board game versus a online game. They should I use their lawyer. Yeah, I get ready for brief. This seems I don't know, judge, what just different words like trench the real words. When you do, you're like, when you're spinning off a World War One, you're gonna talk about trenches. It was trench warfare. If it is the cults they tried to sue me for my game, cludes and can you tell I am a barrister. I am wearing this fancy wig. You guys do this in Portugal, right, but these niche socks are uncomfortable your honor. I like this guy dismissed and Vinny and Vinny didn't go to jail. Clearly, if if there were no issue, the game would be out. Obviously, the guys there's an issue. I think the guy was bringing suit against uh them, right, wasn't he looking for money? Said put it out? So there's no suit. I'm hearing my ear that the guy was looking for money. Do you guys hear that? I heard. No. I feel it in my thigh. That's just that Portuguese board game. Uh yeah, I don't know, it's something about it. Maybe maybe it's more of that I don't like it. Then it's actually legal. Such dumb. This is just dumb. I don't like people should be playing trenched. I can't name a game cheese, and then nobody can name anything else cheese or like cheese. Yeah, dude, it was that guy's named him something. Yeah. I was reading about reading stories. Oh my god, he's amazing. Oh my god. So anything that has you know, edge, like, so it's it all pertains to Edge magazine this particular case, because I think he's stamped out any other attempt to use the word edge. Right, Yeah, but it's so he's using his Edge. Yeah, yeah, but his like the lies and the subterfuge and the like, but like really ham fisted, like really poorly executed, like and just constantly getting caught in the middle of lies of I established this thing, and I had verbal permission, and I invented Edge magazine and like mocking up fake covers of a US magazine he was supposedly launching called Edge that look almost exactly like the British magazine Edge. Wait to this guy win anything? No, No, he was scaring people into changing like the names of iPhone games and stuff like that. People, people would, individuals that would didn't necessarily want to fight, or even in some cases like companies just paying him off, yeah, rather than like legal fee is gonna be too much, Let's just give the guys, you know, like fifty grand or something and get him out of here. The best part of that story was like I forget that all the particulars, but he was like trying to prove that he had used the name before anybody else. And he said like a banner from nineteen ninety one that he had made on a floppy disk that he brought it. But then there's all this this crazy story about like falsified like clearly obviously falsified floppy discs, Like someone could tell like, oh yeah, this this floppy disc was made with Windows ninety five. There's no from and he's like, oh wait, that was a copy extantly sent instead of the original that I meant to send you. And then there's like a third copy. Oh such a good such a good story and such a weird ass, Like what a anyway, I hope people get to play Trenched in Europe. It's a cool game or whatever they're gonna call it drenched drenched drench that boy, do they have to pay us and or every one of the users of Giant Bomb. No, maybe that's cheap. We released them to use that name. Yeah, we do that. Put that game out. We just did change. Just do a fine replace, tad put it out. You know everything a bluish tinge. Whole game takes pace underwater, underwater trenches. Never leave your drench. I thought I was led to believe at one point that the USS McKinley had legs. It does it does? Did I just totally miss that? Yeah? It stomps on stuff and then you know opening like the first level, it comes on to the land. Really. Yeah, how did I miss that? I don't know. It's got four big goddamn legs. I feel like it's been a big point. Yeah, that they're crazy aircraft carrier walks around. Yeah, because I thought that was the most amazing thing I've ever heard. Yeah, I was really excited for it. Yeah. Man, it still does that. You know, it's it's kind of easy to mess I'm not surprising. It never happens like while you're like in the hub right between missions. No, no, no, okay, don uh. Nintendo is not going to publish Zeno Blade in North America. I'm so shocked. What is this? Is this like a Zeno Saga game? It is the Yeah, it is from Monolith Soft, so the other Monolith Yeah, there's that. There's Miss Walker's Last Story and Pandora's Tower. These games were acclaimed, I understand, or does that correct? I believe so. They were thought to be good. It is it is something that that, yes, people are people are upset that these are not coming to the United States. Like the frustrating part is that they are already localizing at least one of those games for Europe. Europe, So like the work is done right, It's like a well, I mean, there's still more money involved in the manufacturer. There is absolutely struments and I'm sure that you know if you run the numbers on the spreadsheet, even taking too account that the number of people that decided to pre order it on Amazon, like you probably still look at it and you go like, yeah, we'd actually lose money on that still, so na. Well, Plus there's that game Xenophobe that came out here, So they changed the name Confusion they don't want to get sued. It's they call it Dreenophobe take Aways Underwall. I'd rather play that game. I have a floppy disc here containing the doss version, So there's a Yeah. So there's a group of people operating under the name of Operation Rainfall that are trying their damnedest to get these games released in the States. But best of luck to them. More games is better, for sure, But I feel like if nintended at this point, they'd probably better off, like trying to make a case for it. You should pour these to the we you and put them out. Yeah, like I think the ship sailed Nintendo said no, or you know, there's definitely been cases of like you know, okay, us arms of companies don't want to publish these games here, but maybe someone else will publish them here. Yeah, that's the fress. Probably the most frustrating part I would imagine is that there would probably be plenty of smaller companies lining up to do this right and take on the localization themselves if they needed to, and all this other stuff, But no plants at the moment. So I don't know. I don't know what damn thing about zena Blade game. Yeah, anyway, they're gonna ship it with a controller in Europe. M Call of Duty Con? Are you guys ready for a dedicated Call of Duty festival? Con? Cod Con? What are we calling it? Call of Call of Duty XP twenty eleven, twenty eleven. Do you have do you love Call of Duty? Sure? Sure, I guess. Do you have one hundred and fifty dollars? I do? Do you want to give one hundred and fifty dollars to Call of Duty? Wait? Wait? Kind of already do that every year? Do you want to be surrounded by other people who love Call of Duty? All? Right? No? Not really? I mean no, yeah, you know the end. No, I can't believe it. One hundred and fifty dollars it goes to charity. That's good. Call it, yeah, hundred percent the Call of Duty Endowment for the first Soldiers. That's good. Yes, Okay, I feel like I just give them the money and that go. Yeah, I feel like you could do that. Yeah. I feel like that invalidates anything else we might say about this thing. Well, well, yeah, it's still it's still like the if you want to be real cynical about it, like the the charity hook is how Activision you know, keeps its hands clean in what is basically a giant promotional event. This is still like in service of we're coming out with the with our new the newest installment in our war game, uh, that we want to sell millions of copies of and get people excited about. But at the same time, but you know, it's like, how many people do you get excited with this thing? I mean they're saying, like, what, six thousand people will be able to attend, Like that's cool that you know there'll be some live event for people to play Modern Warfare three, because I guess they're probably gonna reveal stuff there and they're going to talk more about Elite and stuff. But for franchisees, yeah, exactly, Like like that many copses all around the world. Like that's that's a limited impact, you know, like releasing those details online and on television and ads like has almost the same impact. Maybe the first one's charity, next one is keep it all you know. You know, you look at blizz Con, and I think blizz Con is very different because it's it's based around multiple games more often than not. And I think that the types of games that Blizzard puts out like lend themselves better to the notion of let's get together in real life in a world of warcraft isn't inherently like social experience. You you build strong ties to players, but you might want to meet in real life. Like there's a lot of people go to bliz just to hang out with like Guilty, I don't want to fist bump fucking dudes in bubble vests. Sure that the fake burger town that they build, I want to play paintball with them, I really so. The coolest thing about this whole thing is they are recreating a modern warfare to scrap yard. They're recreating that map as a paintball arena. I think that's awesome. I would love to see that. I want to see that. Is that the map to do for that? And I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it's that's a that's a good map to do, I guess, but I'm intensely interested in seeing that. Where is it La, Okay? Somewhere southern California. You know. The other thing about blizz Con is like Blizzard games have such a long window between release right and like you know, Call of Duty games pretty much yearly. Still, I still think blizz Con is kind of weird. It is a little weird request fan fast and all that stuff. Like Quake CON's kind of weird. Yeah, but Quake CON's free, So blizz Con is, uh, you know, it's not every years every year? Yea, every year? Is? Has it always been every year every years? I started it, It's pretty much been annual. I think they skip years. So you're saying they've got Wow, like they don't have to have a new product coming out in the about what they're doing with Wow in the next year or so. It's that's enough to people to dress up as their character, and in fact, that was enough for a number of years of blizz Con that's all they did. I mean, now like they finally stopped writing like the five year wave of yeah wow popularity and start shipping other games. Right. But I think I've been to three blizz Con. Really yeah, I've been to several. I think I'm gonna go this. But I always feel like there's interesting stuff that comes out of him. I guess once one was a big StarCraft two one was the litch King stuff. Maybe it was before it was it was, I can't remember. Uh yeah, there's always kind of like big stuff. I mean, I guess Paul of Duty can announced big. I mean, ye gonna debut the multiplayer from Modern Warfare three. Like that's probably big enough for you know, in terms of details, I guess they'll they'll do that. They'll talk more about Call of Duty Elite. But the other thing about what the that is, I guess, tyness the blitz kint is is really a great argument. But Blitzkin also just has a bunch of lower panels and like you know, all the books and stuff like that, and I'd love to see Call of Duty panels. So I mean they radically they could have. There are a number of panels you would have about Call of duty, whether it's you know, okay, here's the you know the thing that people do wrong nine times out of ten. Right, here's how to be better multiplayer. Here's why we made these choices when we're developing this game. Here's whatever you're talking about real warfare. Just push up booth. They're gonna have a they'll have a zip line, also mechanical bull because everybody has the have a zip line. They'll have a bounce house. You'd be a little petting zoo. Be great, petting zoo in the bounce house. Yeah. They're building a burger town. Yeah, will it be functional or get burgers? It's like pre war Burgertown. I guess okay, get burger shots there. Burger Cown don't close for no war. They're still growing it up back there. Yeah. Uh. And you know there's the same time one hundred and fifty dollars charity or no kind of a lot of money to see this stuff for this kind of one game, like biggest game in the world or not, like it's it's kind of yeah, it's a rough cell well up there. They're still it's like even what they're saying explicitly about what's going to be there right now, is like there, there's like there's a lot of unannounced shit that we're gonna have at this thing. I mean, I have to imagine that there will be some sort of in game item or perk or thing like cosmetic thing you will get foregoing like the equivalent of the Wow pet. Like they don't do that. I think that they have really messed up. But even just like uh, even just stuff like concerts or you know, things just just events to kind of flesh out whatever this this festival is supposed to be. If I was playing ice Cub plays the gathering of Juggalos, man up, ads man, he will show up, she will show up. I thought I was the coldest thing. You're pretty cold cold really doing it? Yeah? He makes screw faces at bottles of beer because they're cold, because he doesn't like how cold they are their ice cold. Yeah, yeah, I don't like it. Whatever, call of duty con if you really like call of duty, what is it? Hurt? Right? It's your ballet a bit, but then it goes to charity, so it's kind of just cool. You're a link to just donate. I think it's you have to buy a ticket and not go as you're walking in, they'll just blast you with ax. Yeah, it's like all right, motherfucker, so we so we make you. You know, you might have germs on you before you enter this were the one talking about energy drink scented as I think that might have been Gary Widow because I was thinking an axe flavored energy drink would be better. Yeah, I think I think you get there's room for both. But yeah, it just seems like the sort of thing where every four steps some spokesmodel in a bikini is gonna force an energy drink into your hand. Right, you're just thinking World the Call of Duty manifest. I wonder why, Like I almost want to go just to see, like, oh no, wait, it's just the same group of fucking nerds that shows up. Maybe it's not a bunch of you know, fucking I don't know, like life beatter wearing frat kids, like no, it's just it's nerds because that's that's who actually plays this game. Everyone thing's all it's all bros. Like no, it's just it's yeah, it's I don't know. Every time I turned the voice chat on, it's just it's definitely like a a good reminder that like man a lot of people play this game, and there are a lot of stupid people in the world. But I mean, and anything big you take that to Halo, It's it's just I'm not saying I'm not trying to single out Call of Duty. I'm just saying they're the one having the event. I just think that game gets like people. People. There are definitely plenty of totally the numbers have to bear it out that there are people from all walks of life that play and enjoy Call of Dude. But the filter on the attendance of the event, I think is that the bros are too busy doing bong rips on the couch and playing Call of Duty sure to go to the event about putt one hundred and fifty bucks together to make it out there, right, It'll be like, I don't know the dudes that are in the clans that are the hardest core, like you, you fucking Katie art sucks, make it the fuck out nerds. Those are gonna be the guys that old fucking pon like they I want to play these maps early. Those are people. Those are like he said, yeah, those are the nerds. Those are There's no there is Those are not the smoke Dog four twenties of the World, dude, there's no way. I feel like in real life though, like every other game event, like, people are super nice. It's just they're kind of just there to do their own thing. They may be the same guy on the headset, but in real like in real life, they're not gonna say any of that stuff. They're just I'm sorry, sorry, Oh good game, good game. And then fucking dude, man, that's such a great lifestyle. Should you should know better than anybody how much the anonymity of the Internet emboldens like typical asshole. Yeah that's true. I think I've ever been in a really jerk gaming convention, Like everybody's always been super nice. Thing. That's why this one, because if there's gonna be one, it would be this, Like this is probably the one, right, I just want to see if there's a shooting range there. It's the paintball, No real guns, you think, not not a little fire desert eagles somewhere in LA on the ground. Could bring a desert eagle, you know. See what you can do is a weird choice. Lot. They're gonna have a lot of the developers there and the game is made. Don't have a lot of those people there fly him down to go to somewhere where you can fire an automated gun. They probably don't want that. Yeah, that's probably a bad idea. Yeah, that makes your real guns with video game guns. Yeah, all right, last story here, George Hotts. Y'all remember him? Yeah, yeah, iPhone hackers first of all, rapper, Sleepy picture taker. Sleepy picture taker has gotten a job with Facebook. But I guess taking into putting an end to whatever weird hackery existence that he had, and or is he now he's just doing it now, he's just doing it for Mark Zuckerberg. So they have give me everything on Google Plus like they have, they have the security concerns put him to use right Facebook? Yeah, yeah, he is working in a security capacity. I don't really know what. Surely I assume Facebook must be haveing for people trying to rip off past crack it, And I guess I was always I always always had an image of him as like a lower level like like coating and assembly, he kind of guy. Maybe maybe that's not like you know, dumping firmwares and hecks editing stuff. Maybe I don't I don't really have any any Maybe that's not his bag. I don't really know what his bag is, like how how skilled he actually is. He kind of does bad things right, illegal things or No, it was that real gray area stuff. I mean he was he was being firmware and yeah, he agreed to the e u LA and he could accept on that screen and then hacked the p S three and the iPhone and you list are kind of garbage show. Yeah, well it's still illegal. Still technically the laws, Yeah, it's still illegal. But maybe, yeah, maybe stups should change. I was gonna say, I think it's kind of a shitty precedent to say do something illegally. He's the world over here. Between this and the whole trench trench thing, I'm building my platform, like Stephen Colbert, I have a super pac Wait, are we gonna do super pac Man news? Garcia, we're working on super pac Man for the iPhone. Great, and we'll do wis give me to scrubble super pac Man Edition? No, we have to write the song about support of super pac Man for the iPhone? Man, can it be a folks song which all leads up to man AIDS. I'm running for president. It's a charity donate the super pac Man aids our troops and you know people are hunger and yeah, yeah, maybe maybe the most offensive episode. Maybe up there a kid from sand Lot, God, don't stop that, stop it. That's san would be fun to watch him get beat up. New releases for this week's yeah, the Redhead. Yeah, what's he done since Samlot? It's probably grown out of his child actor phase by now. Right, Oh man, what if he's like the hulking, three hundred pound mustard out Maybe you should talk about him that way. We will see him at the call of duty experience Earth Defense Force Insect Armageddon came out, okay, and also out this week is Deadliest Warrior Legend. Awesome because I really liked the first Deadliest Warrior. I know, I know, he's hot. Summer releases, you guys can't fairly sold really well. I seeing that close to the top of the sales charts. It's July, my friend too. Ain't nobody buying games? That's absolutely totally all the way. It's been out for some time now, okay, yes, uh huh fromt page to Steam. Yeah, as of last Thursday night. Okay, sure, all right, let's take some emails BombCast at johantbomb dot com is the email address. First of all, on comes in from Ben Murden in Shelmsford, UK, Dear bomb cast of Vella's Sometimes I feel a diminishing desire to play newly released game the further we get away from the release date. I'm not sure if I've ever get I'm not sure I'll ever get around to playing Dead Space two now, even though I enjoyed the first game. Call it diminishing new release desire or something better. Anyway, I feel extra bad for the Double Fine guys, since I and many others in Europe have been following coverage on that game and consider it to be out now. With the previously mentioned phenomenon in mind, there's a good chance a lot of people will find their initial excitement for the game has already waned by the time it officially arrives in Europe. Do you think this is a likely scenario. I will buy the game anyway it wants it's release, but I'm not sure if others will feel like they missed the boat on Trenched. The more the Internet makes me think we finally have a global community, the more dumb reasonal laws restrictions and lack of awareness come along to shatter it. It's hard to say on this one because, like we as of right now, as of this recording, no no idea of when they will get this resolved, if they will get this resolve. I think you see you see a similar thing when you start talking about multiplatform games that come out spread apart and the PlayStation store being down led to some of this stuff where like Beyond Good and Evil like just came out last week or something, and that news comes. You know, we're you know, a slightly different boat than some people, but I know when I got the press release saying Beyond Good and Evil HD is out, You're like, I'm like, oh so what, like whatever, I already played it? Yeah, Like come on. I imagine other multi platform owners are probably in the same the same boat, but they probably don't necessarily care about in a game on multiple platforms. Anyway, this was extra tough because it was supposed to come, Because this isn't just like one of those and it's gonna come in Europe like nine months later. Yeah, it's like it's gonna Yeah, I'm sure they feel their marketing team is probably pretty upset. Yeah, I imagine that the guys at Double Fine not how do we do another push when this comes out? Do we have the money to do another push when this comes out? I mean that's it's microsot Microsofts their publisher. It's so yeah, that would be on them. Are they gonna, you know, put it up on the top thing? Do they put it out at all? Yeah? I hope so. But yes, Heart goes out to Double Fine guys most of all because fuck. The only upside is that as a multiplayer focus game, for the most part, everybody in Europe is gonna be getting at the same time when it does come out. That's true. That's true. Hopefully at least all those people will be there for each other to play, assuming it comes out. Assuming it does come out, they will all be buying at the same time, unless they made us act and bought the US version. I know more than a few people who have done exactly that. So next Tamil comes from Steve in Delaware, dear BombCast. I can vouch for the cheese on apple pie. It should be Cheddar. I just want to say, you have no idea how many emails that I've received going pro or con on the cheese pie thing went con me. Yeah this, yeah, you ever tried it? Let me, let me get through this email, because we will all we will unite together. We will. We will move past cheddar and apples all the time thunderdome, but workers uniting together, same thing. That's what I'm That's what I was thinking. Yeah, see idea. Yeah, cheese and apples on a little snat tray. Well uh yeah. So although it blah blah blah blah blah, the real reason I'm writing is that all that talk reminded me that when I was a child watching reading Rainbow as an earnest young lad, I knew and trusted LaVar Burton to teach me about the world of books and provide guidance about life in general. So when he wanted to a favorite snack of his, I was all ears. The directions goes something like this. Step one, peel a banana, Step two, wrap a slice of American cheese around it. Step three, eat that shit. And he did eat it right on camera, acting like it was the world's best taste combination. So did I try it? I was seven years old if that and easily persuaded. Of course I did. It was horrible, never eat those things together. That's why I love oar Burton went blind. So so thank you LaVar Burton the worst snack ever, and thank you bomb cast for reminding me exists. That's all I heard this email. I would have fallow LaVar Burton anywhere, now, you know. I was like, oh, man, like, I'll eat a banana, that's fine, but I'm trying to think about it. I'm just trying to think about like the logistics of wrapping cheese around a peeled banana, Like yeah, like the process, the sticky process you slice, that would work, but it's like you're just gonna wrap a section of it, Like are you gonna how many slice of cheese are Are you gonna get full coverage? Like a good banana is a two slicer. Are you gonna break off a piece of banana, wrap that and then eat it individually? Or you're gonna wrap it around the top and then peel the other half of the banana and then wrap another piece of around. I just don't think it would stay or by the bottom half of the banana. You realize that you never wanted to do that again, and you just eat the banana. How about how about banana with the ballpark, nacho cheese sauce, anything cheese sauce. Yeah, I'm not really picking any Let's give it a shot. That's why you spent last week in the burn Ward r. Anything I can't get, you can't get, you can't get close enough for it to be dramatic. Anything there it is. And this guy Tyler from Georgia writes in to say that apparently his family puts cheese on fucking pop tarts. That's all. That's all that email has. I just wanted to share that one. So when we were joking about putting yourself up for adoption, when we were joking about putting cheese on Hostess pies, someone had already beat us to the punch that we've been trumped, and and not not just for fun these all right, One more email here from Wyatt Halgren uh from Oxford, Connecticut. This is a question. I'm very excited about the PlayStation Vita and all of the different control options at E three this year, my question about the back touchpad was not answered to my knowledge, Is it possible to turn the back touch pad into multiple inputs such as two, four, or six different buttons by pushing different parts of the touch pad. If so, I feel like this would be a great opportunity for developers to take advantage of this and come up with some great control schemes and some incredible gameplay from multiple genres. What are your thoughts? Do we know if it's multi touch? I think there's what are the two types of touch? There's capacity and then there's what's the other one detective break dancing. I can't remember what the bad touch. One of them is the kind that the DS uses and das the other kind of his iPhone style anyway, Uh, I don't know which one of those that uses. I believe the back of that thing is multi touch, but I don't know for sure. But so I still haven't actually messed with the thing at all. Uh. None of the demos that you that they show, it seems like all of those are just single touch for each side of the whole thing. It's one big mesh right on the best, just one big I know it's it's it is. It is totally, mister mix, mister ink jet totally is like all back screen four touch, So that's multi touch. Not not sure? Back to the back is a multi touch? Not sure? How many multis? But multiple? But multiple four at least? Okay, great because one for each limb on mister ink jet right, so at least four, let's get to know. I think that covers that question. And that's it for emails. Thanks everyone who wrote and bomb cast at chiabomb dot com. Guys, short one this week, Short weeks, so short one, short one makes sense, aren't they say about short weeks? Short ones? Big big feet, big socks. Vite Caravella, thank you for bringing your specific color to this podcast. As always, I can't win here. Jeff Gershman, Hello, Brad Shoemaker, good boy, Thank you guys. That's gonna do it for this week's edition. Uh play on Chart three multiplayer, Beat on T and T send front request to g B, T and T on the PS three if you want to play with us, and then Happy Hour on Friday. So look forward to those and we will be back next week with another addition off the Giant Podcast