Forehead Needles and Who’s Blocked | Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rachel and I'm Cheerity, and today Rachel and I are here to catch up with you guys, answer some of your questions, and honestly just just chat away because we got a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 1: I fear we way so much and these are my favorite episodes, but it's just me and you, no sense we can really get down to the bottom of what has been going on.

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Speaker 2: So no interruptions, no other.

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Speaker 3: Interruptions at the top. It is so crazy.

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Speaker 1: It has been two months since we started to feeling it. No, it feels like the best part of my week. But I don't say and we get to talk shit and it doesn't even feel like work.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, which is isn't that everyone's dream? Yeah, I'm very grateful to be doing this with you and it's been an amazing ride. But crazy enough that we're just getting started. We have so much ahead of us, I know, oh much ahead of us. Wait, okay, with us being here for two months, what was what has been your favorite interview?

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Speaker 1: Rachel lindsay easily now and now interview was first of all, just such an honor. Rachel started this podcast and I feel like me and you are so appreciative of what the Bachelor has given us and what the platform has given us, and.

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Speaker 3: Rachel created this.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was just amazing to get her back because I never thought she was going to come back to Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I was genuinely floored. I think even like we said at the bachelorette ing and I was like, whoa, I had no idea who was coming. I knew you were coming. I knew a few other people, but I was like even then, but like walking in and seeing Rachel, I was like, this is the world is healing. Perhaps I don't know. It was crazy, bruly, so to sit down with her talk everything and knowing that we're going to get her back, and yes we said that again, we are getting Rachel Lindsay back.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just I was gonna regret saying that.

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Speaker 2: No, I know we're gonna be I will be on her, I will be on her.

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Speaker 1: We literally we're like, you're coming to Carrie's and you're coming to Mental Hearth, and you're coming to.

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Speaker 2: The Finally, we're booking your schedule. We're making you booked and busy.

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Speaker 1: Literally, I was just so obviously impressed with her, but there is so much of her story that we don't know, and I need her books to come out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I know you have. I'm making you head chairman of the book club.

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Speaker 1: I could not, I will forget half of the things that came out of her mouth. Her finding out in the tabloids. I don't think this is like people are not grasping how naturally crazy that is.

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Speaker 3: She's like a real human. And to find out that the.

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Speaker 1: Person you're married to is getting a divorce from you.

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Speaker 2: And you have to and you have to send in a paycheck, are you crazy? I'd be damned. I personally would like, on hell, no, she's I'm telling you it's it's There is really no other blueprint. It's it's Rachel's. It's Rachel's.

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Speaker 1: It's really gonna be tough to be and I'm just so excited to going off our favorite. We just had an interview that I last night could not sleep over. I was having stress dreams all night and we just interviewed Clayton and now I need to go to I'm literally I need to go to acupuncture right now because of how stressed out that interview just made.

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Speaker 2: Me, please release austress and don't bring it back true.

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Speaker 3: Those in the forehead, Oh, what are.

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Speaker 2: Your thought in the forehead is sending me? Because I'm like, I'm genuinely picturing them right now. I'm gonna send you a picture, no, please do? Can that actually be like the cover photo for this week's episode the acupuncture needles in your forehead?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I want to know your thoughts, Charity, because I have so much history with Clayton and you had just only met him at AFR or was that the only time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we met Grant season of AFR, I believe, and even then I was like very brief, so I didn't really get to like hang out and spend quality time with him. But I think I learned enough within the first like fifteen minutes of chatting and seeing you know, correct, It's very interesting, I will say, like I'm and this is like the EmPATH in me. I have such a soft spot spot in my heart for just his story and like obviously what he's been dealing with for the past year with the case, but even just following him after his season or y'all season on The Bachelor, it just was so chaotic. So I don't think I ever really got like a full like read or understanding of really who this guy is. And I will say probably to this day, I don't think I still do, but I know that there's there's a level in him that is learning and trying to grow and trying to evolve. But I do get what you are saying, or like the things that you kind of shared with me that makes Clayton just sometimes complicated and a little problematic. I don't even want to say problematic, that's probably not the best word. Just complex, like he really is, Like there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so funny because it's so hard with me and Charity being virtual, like trying to like see when the next is going to talk. With this interview, I think I sat there so silently and I stared at Charity's picture on zoom.

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Speaker 2: You cannot no I was getting at Charity.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like I just want to like say thank you so much. I told you off the podcast for I feel like you interviewed both of us.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I kind of it was like a couple's therapy, but you guys are in a couple, like it's like posts, you guys are coming to see me still after the breakup.

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Speaker 3: Like you guys need to leave each other.

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Speaker 1: Alone at this point.

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Speaker 2: No, I was just trying to really, I was trying to hold space. Where's my finger? That's my favorite? Wait? Very good. I was trying to hold space for the both of you guys, which you guys really made me miss my job for a second there. I was like, do I go back to work tomorrow? Let me know.

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Speaker 1: It's so difficult because I think there is this I don't even know how to begin to explain this, and I think I've always tried so hard. We do see each other outside of this, and we've had conversations outside of this. We see each other, but not physically. I mean like we see where each other's coming from. But it's it's just like each time we talk, I find something else that I'm like frustrated with.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I sense that. I was like, it's happening in this moment. Yeah, yes, And.

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Speaker 1: It's just these little moments that I don't think he realizes he does. And that interview was great, and I again see where he's coming from. Yeah, but it's just like the little things he'll say, like I could have taken the easy route on my season, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you mean by picking me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's just those things I think he.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't realize that he's doing, and it's it's just like I don't know. It's it's hard because even listening to his podcast, the first audio clip I hear is my own voice feels like this thing that is just like a constant in my life.

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Speaker 3: At I'm sure he wants to get away from me, but.

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Speaker 2: We're just continue to go around. I was trying to sense the vibes. I'm like, I think he really does enjoy that you guys are on good term. Yes, yes, which he is lucky for Hello, because I was like, he's not so much with Gabby as we know, and.

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Speaker 3: Then, which I think is fair.

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Speaker 1: I think that is so fair. And I've always said that that he's lucky that he does have the relationships he has from his.

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Speaker 2: Season, right, which I like, I don't even think I try. I was trying to like allude to that in our interview with him, but I was obviously I was like, I know, I like, I definitely sided it more. It came across that I sided more so with Clayton. My whole thing was obviously, Gabby can feel how she feels, and she's entitled to feel exactly how she feels. I don't blame her, but I also see his perspective of like, yeah, like he's just dancing. Wasn't necessary? Unnecessary, and that's I think I think a normal person can understand that, So right, right, yeah, but give her Tay, You're right, he is very fortunate to still have a relationship with you and Susie.

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Speaker 3: So I was really surprised.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know we kind of touched on this during the interview that Susie's taking part in the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. So I mean we listen to, like, I think there's two episodes out right now, and if you I believe, in episode two, you start to hear kind of Susie gives some takes or you know, kind of timeline even like details of what happened and leading up to everything that unfolded him and that woman. Yeah, it is crazy, and I was not expecting to hear her, but she is there there, and I was like, Okay, I'm glad that he does. Like, you know, I know that is very familiar in probably a safe space for him. So I do love that she is able to kind of provide that support for him. But yeah, very very shocking to say.

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Speaker 1: It's shocking too because I think Susie has gone through a lot. I feel like in the way of she has had to be extremely supportive and she does it obviously she wants to do it. But I think we don't give Susie enough credit for she really is a big pillar in like.

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Speaker 3: His healing journey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's very very lucky to have Susie. And I think she just continues to like every time I'm like she, I just like love her and I want the best for her.

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Speaker 2: You know, it really threw me off.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna say the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me feel I'm not gonna lie, it made me feel a type of way, like not in a bad way, but I just I felt something. I was like, whoa when he was basically saying the catalyst to the whole that woman in her situation the case, Yeah, was because he saw Susie the week before. If I heard that, and granted this is not to put anything in Susie, but like if I heard that, of like, oh, I went to go support or like see or catch up with like a old friend pal of mine, and then to hear him say like, oh, there were so many emotions that came up that I had to like kind of self medicate and cope this way. And then that night is when he had nothing else to do but to sit down and have a time with miss Laura. Oh, it's I would be shocked. I would be very shook. I'm not gonna lie.

00:10:47
Speaker 1: I wonder if she does know this, because that is exactly what I thought you were about to say. I've never heard that of the story me either.

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Speaker 2: Me either. I was like, this is something, this is actually really heavy.

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Speaker 3: I know, Oh there's so much. I mean, I feel like put on her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not that Clayton hasn't gone like he is definitely going through it as well, but even going leading up to our AFR, I mean they got piled on after it was obviously very team Rachel and Gabby.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and then to go from that, and.

00:11:18
Speaker 1: I mean build yourself back up and then kind of again be the catalyst into something else. For now, this is taken over his life, it's.

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Speaker 3: His card in life is just.

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Speaker 2: Really and that's where I'm like, I really, I'm like I want to sidebar him and not this is really gonna sound invasive, but like from a former therapist perspective, I'm like, I'm just really curious to see what exactly is like, you know, his therapy goals. Like I'm I know he talked about like really becoming in tune with his emotions, and I think that's huge, Like that's just a very common problem. I don't want to say problem common thing amongst men. So like I respect him so much for even like admitting to that, but I'm very curious of like, Okay, how is he you know, getting over these hurdles or these things that I feel like probably are the foundation or the reasons why he keeps finding himself in certain situations. I wouldn't just be very interested and curious, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the crazy conversation. I'm shocked he wanted to come on it all. I really am, But yeah I am.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I feel like we get on a good term and then we're kind of just like we don't. Yeah, So I was surprised here out of I mean, our podcast and an hour I would have assumed he would have wanted to go on Golden Hour, but I mean it was a good interview.

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Speaker 2: That would have been a safer option, right, yeah, yeah, Well he likes.

00:12:43
Speaker 1: To challenge himself. If I'm going to do anything in this world is apparently just be Clayton's karma and so many every time you think that you're alone, no, I'm like the.

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Speaker 2: North You're the Northwest to he's Camving, You're Northwest to him, Like he will never find peace. I don't want to say that he will find peace in his life. He will never find peace around you.

00:13:08
Speaker 1: Yes, anytime it's around me the universe Like cannot scream louder. I feel like God actually crazy, Oh my gosh, so much, so much, We've done so much to come. What are you excited about? Like for what's next?

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Speaker 2: I'm I will be honest, like apart from Rachel Lindsay, like I enjoyed dissecting these men. I'm so ready for this season to press play, so I can. I mean you don't understand, like you guys think the episodes are getting good, They're about to become the greatest of greats, Like the recaps are about to go crazy. I am so ready.

00:13:48
Speaker 1: Cannot wait for your recap, I think going over talking about Rachel's time and the way that she ate Jad alive. I just see this happening again in real time with you just divide these mad.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like yes, and the answer to that is yes, and I'm gonna do it very tastefully, but also I might throw a little curveball in there and do it distastefully. Who knows. It depends on how I feel that day. But what I will say, I think there's also part of me too, is because we're on the other side as a lead. Again, this is all back to like how you have to conduct yourself, like you know, during while your season's airing. Obviously I had a whole press tour following, and you you get more like truth like after that. But like, I feel like now this is like almost like my even though these are not guys that I date. It, it's like these are what I wanted to do to the guys on my season, and I'm like, now I'm having this opportunity, So all bets are off. Hello.

00:14:41
Speaker 1: I'm so excited too, because Charity, I think people don't realize like how absolutely hilarious you are.

00:14:48
Speaker 3: On your season. You were so serious.

00:14:50
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited for people to see the un serious, hilarious takes that you are going to have. Correct, correct, It's gonna be so good.

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Speaker 2: We're it's about to be insane for the all the right reasons. I'm so excited.

00:15:05
Speaker 1: I think we only have like two more interviews and then we're going to be straight into the guys.

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah? Oh my god, it's it's happening.

00:15:13
Speaker 1: And one of them is Taylor, which is like, you're gonna be fantastic to pick her brain. It's happening.

00:15:20
Speaker 2: I'm so ready. I'm so ready.

00:15:23
Speaker 1: I mean, we have some questions. Should we get into it?

00:15:27
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:15:34
Speaker 1: I feel like we could do two episodes with the amount of questions.

00:15:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're yappers.

00:15:39
Speaker 1: Okay, first question, who from Bachelor Nation has you blocked?

00:15:45
Speaker 2: Nobody that I know of or that I care?

00:15:47
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're so lucky.

00:15:49
Speaker 2: Is that rude?

00:15:51
Speaker 1: No? I feel like that means you're nice.

00:15:53
Speaker 2: No, I was saying nobody that, So I'm whoever has me blocked, I'm not looking for you, So.

00:15:59
Speaker 1: That's she has no idea. Unbothered, truly truly unbothered.

00:16:04
Speaker 2: I feel for you.

00:16:07
Speaker 1: I'm blocked by molt. I think there's I will just say I think there's one or two from Gen season.

00:16:17
Speaker 2: Why are the man blocking you?

00:16:19
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm usually very nice to them on recaps. I've had some opinions crazy. I stand by them. However, my ex fiance does still have me blocked, and.

00:16:31
Speaker 2: For again, for all the right reasons. I think that's the healthiest.

00:16:36
Speaker 1: Or he deleted his Instagram. That's still like unclear to.

00:16:38
Speaker 2: Me, but that would that would be the even more healthier option.

00:16:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I still I feel.

00:16:45
Speaker 3: Bad about that one a little.

00:16:47
Speaker 1: But do you want to know? What? Do you want to? So?

00:16:50
Speaker 3: I need to tell you something crazy?

00:16:52
Speaker 2: Not you bulldozing your way through that.

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Speaker 1: Listen. There was like an interview he did like two years a year and a half ago where he said that I called him okay, and he's always been blocked on my phone and I still to this day, I'm like, how did I call him? Or who called? Like how did that happen? Because I'm sure he was like thinking I.

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Speaker 2: Did difficult situations make you forget things? Truly?

00:17:18
Speaker 1: Isn't there? I mean I don't even know how it would have his number to call him?

00:17:21
Speaker 2: No, that's insane to that crazy. Damn, that's not the that's not the case.

00:17:27
Speaker 1: I genuinely I'm like, how did he get called? I would tell you if I called him.

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Speaker 2: No, I believe you. I know, I know. I don't even know if you're curious why you would, so I know for a fact you did not.

00:17:42
Speaker 1: Maybe I did it in my sleep or something. Perhaps I don't know. That's a mystery to this day. I like this one, Charity. I'm fick, this is perfect for you.

00:17:50
Speaker 2: See, I know you about to try something.

00:17:52
Speaker 1: What's your most unpopular Bachelor opinion?

00:17:57
Speaker 2: Hmm? The most un popular Bachelor opinion? Hmmm, Like, is.

00:18:05
Speaker 1: There anyone that you think should have ended up with someone or that it would have worked out better.

00:18:12
Speaker 2: In the recent years. No, I'll be very honest, I don't think. I don't. I really don't think grant in anybody from his season, if I'm being truthful, and granted, I don't know all the girls that well, but I know enough Jin Absolutely no, she was not dealt with the great cards as we know. I'm trying to think. I think if you and Gabby had a I mean, this is not even unpopular. I think this is pretty popular. If you guys had separate seasons, I think they yeah been a lot different.

00:18:42
Speaker 1: I just can't even imagine us having separate seasons really looking back.

00:18:47
Speaker 2: No, I think you absolutely. I think he would have even probably ended up like your final Granted we have tastes and types, presses, whatever, but I think he would have not even ended up with Tina.

00:18:57
Speaker 1: You don't think if I had the same cast, I think I would have still picked the same funnel for really, mm hmmm.

00:19:04
Speaker 2: I think you just would have had more time, And I don't know, maybe that's so like you would have had more time to like really Foster versus like, Okay, I'm just picking because he's cute. Like I think that's what we all resort to, is like picking based off of what's I level versus like okay, let's get let's get inside the heart.

00:19:24
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. I'm trying to think of one of mine, my unpopular opinion. I think I think there's a lot of I mean, people get in trouble. I think with the fantasy suites a lot, And I think you should be able to handle your fantasy suite however you want. And I think no one should be able to say anything about it. I think what happens behind that door, hello, No one deserves an opinion on it, That's what I think.

00:19:51
Speaker 2: And people always gives that one pair of keys.

00:19:54
Speaker 3: Hello, people have an opinion?

00:19:56
Speaker 1: You should you shouldn't? You did, you didn't. I just think whatever happens behind the door, like, once that door is closed, you don't have a say on it.

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Speaker 2: It's it is very like it's a taboo topic I feel like, and very obviously polarizing because I think the only thing is is because oh, it's multiple parties involved. Granted, if you were dating someone in the real world and it's like, oh, this is like the date night where your relationship goes to the next level. No one's gonna like obviously judge you for it or like have anything to say. But it's because it's the simple fact that, oh, there's more than one person involved. But I'm like, this is also the nature of the show, right, And I think is the nature of the show.

00:20:35
Speaker 1: I remember going into mind or like when I was on the Bachelor side and you just kind of like accept the fact you're just you do.

00:20:42
Speaker 2: You really have tormentalize and be like I'm separating. This does not exist like it. You really have to have it.

00:20:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you trust the lead. They're gonna do what they need to do. And if it's you, it's you. If it's not, it's not. But I think whatever they decide to do, it's like to.

00:20:57
Speaker 2: Them, you have to be so like just I don't even want to say accepting. It's it's obviously probably very hard to accept, but like you just have to be understanding. That's probably the best. Truly, we can say right now.

00:21:12
Speaker 1: The fantasy suite, what happens behind the door? That would be my unpopular Limorge.

00:21:17
Speaker 2: I know you would never know.

00:21:19
Speaker 1: The next question is, Charity, can you spell one secret from your fantasy suite?

00:21:24
Speaker 2: I cannot, and I will not. Thank you so much. I mean, she said.

00:21:28
Speaker 1: Absolutely not this. We just said what happens behind that door?

00:21:32
Speaker 2: I only had, So there's that one went home early for the right reasons. So we're moving on. Thank you.

00:21:41
Speaker 1: I love how it didn't include Rachel.

00:21:46
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Rachel, would you ever date Sean again?

00:21:52
Speaker 1: Whoever put this question on this list of questions is so crazy that I think gave Blake a heart attack for the twenty four hours that it was happening.

00:22:03
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

00:22:03
Speaker 1: He could not understand what I was doing. Sean's she's nice.

00:22:08
Speaker 2: Sean isn't nice, Like honestly, I know he gets a lot of like he yeah, grant, he is a little bit of a character on TV. But when I say people who have shown up and just been very consistent, he really is a consistent friend to Dotton and I. So I do appreciate you know, Sean, Yes, yeah, check in my book.

00:22:28
Speaker 1: I let him have it a little bit at the time.

00:22:31
Speaker 2: It was deserved, for sure, for sure for it.

00:22:35
Speaker 1: I've loved that that question was on there. Jerny, what's the most annoying comment you get online?

00:22:43
Speaker 2: The most annoying comment I get online? It's definitely died down. I don't I feel like there was a there was a point where most annoying comment I get online. I'm like actually trying to like.

00:23:00
Speaker 1: I feel like everything everyone comments anything.

00:23:06
Speaker 2: I think there was like for a point in time in like Fresh after like me and Dawton's after we got off of my season that I think people really just assumed that I wanted to be in the spotlight always and like I wasn't being fair to Dowton. I don't know I feel like that was like one that I got a lot but stars, yes, and it's like she just can't help herself but to and I'm like, you guys, actually okay, like I'm showing up for work. This is work for me.

00:23:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I fancy with the Stars is such an honor and the fact that he was supporting you, it's like major relationship better.

00:23:43
Speaker 2: I think if it made it out of Dancing with the Stars, I always say that was that was the test, and not even that it was a test. But I'm like the fact that we got through it and we got through it so well, like I was not even worried, he was not worried. But I'm like it definitely made us like stronger for sure. But also like if anyone knows me, knows how much I prioritize Dotten, Like I'm always thinking about, oh, how can I help you in this way or how whatever it may be, Like he is my priority and vice versa, I'm his priority, so that's how it should be. So yeah, it is.

00:24:16
Speaker 1: I'm curious though, with the people who have gone through Dancing with the Stars and it hasn't worked out, I'm wondering if they sometimes have used it like as an excuse because it happens so quickly after the show that yeah, it's not working out.

00:24:29
Speaker 3: I'm so busy with answering at the Star.

00:24:32
Speaker 1: It's not very easy that that happens so much.

00:24:35
Speaker 2: Okay, Rachel, it's your turn to answer that. What do you feel like is the comment you get the most or a misconception about you.

00:24:44
Speaker 1: Mine is literally on every single thing I post, people are like, oh my god, like I don't even recognize you, like all this plastic surgery. I'm like, I've gotten my boobs done two times and the rest is botox and filler that I've gotten since before. Like when I first stepped out the Limo, I had fresh flip filler, I had fresh botox. I think I've gotten cheek fillers since. But they act as if I, well, this isn't everyone. Yes, and I just I it's so hard for me. They hate the eyebrows, they hate the blonde hair. I feel like for me, they really and this isn't everyone.

00:25:26
Speaker 3: But I feel very confined to the way I look.

00:25:29
Speaker 1: On one season and any changes I choose to do after. I feel like I should be able to do if I wanted. I haven't one day if I wanted to do something. It just feels like people want me to look twenty five years old and I'm turning thirty. My health has been different. Yes, things look different, I completely understand, but it's out of my control and people act like it's not. And I think that has been frustrating for me.

00:25:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get that, And I feel like you kind of said it best when you were like, oh, like people kind of confine you to how they first initially saw you, which is crazy because as we all know, people like change evolved, you know, what they how they want to style their hair. They may not want to style it, how they stout it all their twenties, whatever it may be. But it's like it always brings me back to this that I sometimes think people like who watch reality TV or just TV in general, like if it if we were like doing a scripted show, that would make sense and we were actors, but we're not. We're like actual humans. I think people have these narratives and like either from how they initially saw us the first time is what they stick to you or in their head, we're like completely a different like a built up character, and it's like we have like sims, like we're literally sims in their brains. Yes, and it's like we have to like always be how they last saw us. There's no change, there's no involvement in there, nothing is nothing is no room for error. Hello, let's just say I agree.

00:26:56
Speaker 1: And this isn't everyone, but I think it's the loudest people. And I even see it on a lot of our former alumni. It's anytime someone posts a video or a podcast of something, one of the main comments is always, she looks so much different she this. I just never see those comments. For the men, I never see like those comments.

00:27:16
Speaker 2: It's so difficult.

00:27:17
Speaker 1: It feels like across the board this comment of she's unrecognizable. I just don't understand how we've gotten to that point where people think it's okay to yeah things like that. I think there's so much going on behind the scenes in people's lives that no one is privy to, and we chose to.

00:27:34
Speaker 3: Put ourselves out there one hundred percent correct.

00:27:36
Speaker 1: But I've made full TikTok saying this is what I've gotten done every single year, and people are like, you got a facelift, Like I wish, I wish, I'm saving up because I'm gonna get the Chris Jenner and thirty years. It's going in the piggy bag for that. I'm getting it. And she looks and Lindsay Lohan, Hello, doctor Nash.

00:28:02
Speaker 3: That's sad and this is.

00:28:04
Speaker 1: Not everyone, but it is so frustrating because I just don't know what else to say. And yeah, goodness, didn't mean to go on a rant there.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: That's okay, we need an event. Okay, I'll ask you. Okay, don't give me an obviously answer, give me a good one. Who do you think is an epiitode of a bachelor villain?

00:28:32
Speaker 1: The worst bachelor villain?

00:28:33
Speaker 3: Wait, say that again?

00:28:34
Speaker 2: In epitome? Did I say? No? Actually, what did you say? I said epitome? What the fuck? I swear? I'm not having interview.

00:28:50
Speaker 3: It's messing with my mind. I can't think straight.

00:28:53
Speaker 2: I literally have never That's the first time I've ever like said that word. That's not even at this episode. Also, no, that is embarrassing. Okay, that's also.

00:29:08
Speaker 1: Saying in the episode You're welcome listeners.

00:29:11
Speaker 2: No, you guys are actually no, I'm gonna get canceled. They're really they already think I'm stupid. Because I have grammatical errors on my stories that I'm like the whole world have grammatical errors. Anyhow, it is what it is. I have not had a meal since nine am this morning.

00:29:30
Speaker 1: It's a rough day for us.

00:29:32
Speaker 2: We just everyone. My brain is. The database is still loading. Okay, okay, okay, we'll start over. Rachel, Yes, who do you think is the epitome of a Bachelor villain?

00:29:49
Speaker 1: I think the obvious answer would be Bentley from Ashley's season. I went back and revisited that, and I think we have never seen anything to that level. The way he was saying I don't like her, I don't find her attractive is crazy. I cannot even imagine what that was like to watch back. I wish in a way that we've had a villain in the recent seasons that I could pull from, but I can't think of anyone that was that crazy. We did have a villain on my season with a Bachelor, and she would like okay, so I don't know if you guys remember, her name was Shaney and she would literally terrorize us in the house. I was so scared. Yes, oh my god, Yes, there are things that happened on camera that didn't even air. She would just pull things out of thin air, and then when I watched it back, she would literally be like, I fake cried, I fake apologize them, fuck you bitches, And I'm like, is she real? Like I think she's kind of an iconic villain and we forget about her.

00:30:55
Speaker 2: No, it's actually crazy because now that you said that, I think like we would always reference to her. And I used to joke with the producers. I was like, if there was a girl like granted Zach season, I mean, I really got blessed, and I got blessed, not even just for like my sanity on this season, but everything that obviously transpired after that. If I had somebody like say in the house, I would have never became back to the Red I would have gotten the worst edit of life, because I'm telling you, I would have let her have it like that. Oh my gosh, I I remember now that you said. I'm like, it just all came back to my memory. She was actually like it was.

00:31:30
Speaker 1: She would make herself cry in front of the group and her she was like, give me the oscar in the background. Then she'd go make up with Clayton and we just all were like, we.

00:31:42
Speaker 2: Need me the Oscar No, I'm not even kidding. I don't play it like I don't and the fake shit like I can't. So I would I would have. Yeah, she would have gotten to me on all season if it was.

00:31:53
Speaker 1: It was crazy. We won't go into a tangent. But who do you think is the epitome of a villain?

00:32:00
Speaker 2: I hate you, guys, I really like please like I can't you guys like I'm doing everything.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: No, you just facilitated one of the most difficult interviews I think we will have on this podcast. And people need to appreciate that that just happened.

00:32:14
Speaker 2: Thirty minutes ago, and my brain is recovering.

00:32:17
Speaker 1: She she did that full podcast alone without me even preparing her that I was.

00:32:22
Speaker 2: I haven't had a sip of water, and I'm like dehydrated, like I am in the desert right now. Okay, I'm going.

00:32:29
Speaker 1: Through pretty stop.

00:32:31
Speaker 2: I'm so serious. I need you'll understand. The brain is on two percent low power mode. I can't even look at the word this. I don't even know how to say. I actually don't. I think I just made my brain unable to ever say it correctly. I can't just changed.

00:32:47
Speaker 1: Sony, I can't read.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: Okay, who do I think is the villain the best villain? I'm thinking, I'm thinking. I'm thinking, honestly, probably he wasn't even crazy. I mean he was crazy. Let me not say that he wasn't even crazy.

00:33:01
Speaker 1: I'm like Louis, Okay, that was like manipulation.

00:33:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like that, and that's where yea, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: Has there been anyone that's done that since him?

00:33:11
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I really don't, because what you're not gonna do is ever give me an ultimatum. That's what you're never gonna do. Do not serve me an ultimatum.

00:33:22
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, on my season, ultimatums across the Bachelor board have always rubbed me.

00:33:29
Speaker 2: It's crazy because again, here you are, and as our fan, our audience likes to say, you know what show you signed up for, Well, then you know what show you signed up for. It's very it's simple as that. Don't tell me this or that because I'll give you that.

00:33:49
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah No. That one was crazy too, and I feel like it had one of the most iconic moments after the podium.

00:33:56
Speaker 2: Move no insane. That was so good saying and I love it. Top top five, top top five?

00:34:04
Speaker 3: What is your top well, what's your top Bachelor.

00:34:07
Speaker 2: Moment in all of the history.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like a moment that.

00:34:14
Speaker 2: Like recent years, because I'm like, all the history is crazy. I know, that's insane.

00:34:20
Speaker 1: Recent years. I loved one of my favorite moments or I think it's really hard to surprise me. And one of the moments that's really shocked me was on Joey's season when they had Kelsey and Daisy in the car.

00:34:33
Speaker 2: No, I I mean, I was like, how is this unfolding? I really did for a second. I said, now I do know something, but I'm not sure. Now. I have never been so shocked that they're both about to go up to him like crazy two girls at the podium final bros, let's do it right now.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: I was that was shocking.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: I was scared. Yeah, No, that actually was a good, a good shocker moment.

00:34:56
Speaker 1: I will say, oh, this is kind of messy. Are there any Bachelor fan favorites that you think are overrated? Oh?

00:35:06
Speaker 2: Come on, now, you don't. You guys can't do that.

00:35:09
Speaker 3: I know, I actually don't.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think I don't know.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: That are overrated, you guys, Really, that's a conversation that I don't think I have time for and will This is no shade to anybody. Well, if we.

00:35:25
Speaker 1: Visit this or we go to carries out and have a couple of thousands of one exactly after that in there.

00:35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I have a list too, I have a I have a long list, and that list it's not there's no tea or shape. Well it is tea, no shade. The problem is is, yeah, the reasons behind it. I have to explain and give context to you because otherwise people will be quick to write me off. And there's nothing wrong. But I think people just understand where I'm coming from.

00:35:55
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear it.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: So we'll do it. You know, if you guys just keep tuning in to actually Happy Hour, we'll get that snuck in one of these episodes. Soon after a glass, a big glass.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: After a huge glass. Have you ever had an awkward or heated interaction with someone from Bachelor Nation?

00:36:16
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

00:36:17
Speaker 1: I don't think I have either.

00:36:19
Speaker 2: I really don't confront unless I need to.

00:36:22
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't meet a lot of people in person. People think that we have met a lot of bachelonation and I would say I haven't met majority, yeah unless they're out.

00:36:33
Speaker 2: Of there a fr ooh do.

00:36:38
Speaker 1: You have one?

00:36:39
Speaker 2: But I can't answer this.

00:36:41
Speaker 1: Okay, that add that to the list of care Yeah, I'm bring it up. I cannot imagine you getting into any altercations.

00:36:52
Speaker 2: No, And that's the thing I don't that again, probably another misconception. Obviously, it's like what was my little baby picture on the little cure? So like quick to like, no bullshit in your comment. Correct, that's a given. But the thing is is like I don't like I don't like confronting. I don't like it. I just love for there to be peace. I love for there to be like people having a good time, feeling good Like that is like my that's my aura, Like that is what I want to give off to people. That's what I want people to feel. So with that being said, I am not I am good at confronting, but I don't like to do it, and I honestly percy avoid it. So unless it's necessary, which there has been two singular moments that I can count in my head. But it was like just really just trying to get down to the nitty gritty of like what exactly is going on here? And this was.

00:37:42
Speaker 1: All like it it did sound your birthday.

00:37:46
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it sounds juicy. One was like three texts and hopefully whoever listens, if you listen to this message, then you probably wouldn't listen. What did Brooklyn say if the shoe fit lays the bitch up way? And one was while we were filming something and that's all I can say, and we'll rush for the Carrie episode very soon.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: Was it at the vander Pump Villa? I'm right, perhaps, I don't know when is that coming out?

00:38:22
Speaker 2: In April?

00:38:23
Speaker 1: I think I personally cannot wait just to watch baby d just make out in the hot tub.

00:38:30
Speaker 2: Listen, there was just foolishness everywhere.

00:38:34
Speaker 1: If people have never seen our baby just make out with tongue in all facination, that's true.

00:38:40
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, it was such a shocker for me and Dawton because I feel like the thing about me and Dawton and his friend group, like with the boys from his season and then with me, like we're both kind of like the facilitators of like fun in a little bit of chaos, Like we both like make sure people are having, you know, a good time. I think it's like like the that's just understood. So when we got into that villa and then it almost was like the script flipped on us. We were like expecting, okay, like come on people, we didn't even have to do anything. I was like, Oh, there's there's some different energy in you guys right now. I don't know what Jess I didn't recognize because I said, no, why are you doing all of this? Like who are you?

00:39:21
Speaker 1: Like?

00:39:22
Speaker 2: Who are you?

00:39:22
Speaker 1: People have no idea how much we were trying to get just to kiss with tongue in Paradise.

00:39:27
Speaker 2: Kiss with tongue in paradise. This is the girl who is so beautiful, the most, so gorgeous, the nicest, turns down first dates because she just can't get herself together.

00:39:38
Speaker 1: Turns down like NFL players, turns down everyone left, right center.

00:39:43
Speaker 2: And so when she got there, I said, oh, okay, sister wants to get engaged at the end of the year, Like yeah, she's she's making moves like.

00:39:51
Speaker 3: She said, ring before a spring.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: It was literally, Mercedes is always, as we know, down for a good time. She too had a time. I said, what's going on? One Ariel had a time, Maria had a time. Yes, the boys, I said, Okay, so we did this right. I guess it's chaos and confusion.

00:40:11
Speaker 1: Which not wait, that needs to come out sooner it does.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: I'm like, actually, bump it up, literally bumping. I need no distractions during Taylor's episode Taylor season.

00:40:23
Speaker 1: I literally just can.

00:40:24
Speaker 2: I hope it's at the end. I think it will be so anyway, there are so many more questions I know we need to ask, but I think, you know, we should save some of these four our next episode perhaps, or like we said, the juicy ones for when we have our our glasses of mine, don't don't you agree?

00:40:45
Speaker 1: We should have everyone send in the questions they want us to answer after we've had a couple of glasses of whine.

00:40:51
Speaker 2: I care correct because there's like good ones and they're all great questions. But I want, if you really want some tea to be spilled all over the coffee table, submit those crystal coffee table like area, truly the crystal coffee table. We'll get this answer. But I think, yeah, I mean, this was a good little wrap, like a good little I love these No, honestly, these are my favorite because I'm like, I don't. I don't have to think I'm just existing.

00:41:23
Speaker 1: This is like, don't have to facilitate couple's therapy.

00:41:26
Speaker 2: Don't have to brain off and then or turn my brain on and then turn it off and forget to turn it back on. Yeah, that that happened.

00:41:34
Speaker 1: So everyone give Charity her flowers for that interview.

00:41:38
Speaker 2: You guys.

00:41:38
Speaker 1: That was just you, guys, No, just love us.

00:41:44
Speaker 2: What did I say? A good the epitome? Yep, the eptum's Actually do's gonna be like I can't, I can't.

00:41:53
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

00:41:56
Speaker 2: Okay, we're just the girls. Okay, I I think that is all for today's episode. You guys, this was fun. I love you always, Rachel, Like truly, we are locked in for life at this point, literally love you and so much to look ahead too for the rest of this year and Taylor season coming up. So thank you to all of our listeners.

00:42:17
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. We are so excited for more interviews coming up, more fun episodes with me and Charity, so make sure you stay tuned and we'll see you next time. Bye guys, you next time. Bye bye,