Rory & Mal Don't Know Ball | Tim Hardaway

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Speaker 1: The volume.

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Speaker 2: And with the fourteenth pick in the nineteen eighty nine NBA draft, Rory.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was not born yet.

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Speaker 3: The position of the.

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Speaker 2: Point guard for me, well, yeah, you weren't born yet, but the point guard position for me changed forever when I saw this guy play. Today we are joined by one of my favorite players ever. Legendary point guard changed the landscape of what the point guard position looked like as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: In the NBA.

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Speaker 2: One of the greatest handles we talked by handles, crossover. You can't have that conversation without this gentleman. Here today we are joined by the legendary Tim Hardaway Senior.

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Speaker 3: Put Senior on the end of that thing.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, sir, I'm great, man, How you all doing. Thanks for having me on man. You know, yes, put senior on that because I got junior playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, jor Junior looking good.

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Speaker 2: You know you're Junior's player. He's looking good. But this is for me personally, Tim. This is a special day because, like I said, growing up watching you play, uh, you know what you did for basketball players here in New York City in the playgrounds, you know, just seeing somebody on that NBA stage played the way you played, it reminded us of the type of stat that we saw in the playgrounds here in New York City. So it's a pleasure to have you here today talking with us.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you, thank you. Know, I grew up in the city of Chicago, and you know our basketball in New York in Chicago is is quite similar. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A lot of guard players, yep, a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of guard play, getting to the rim, knowing how to get to the rim, a lot of play, baking, a lot of shaking and bacon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, you had to learn, and you had to know how to play defense too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and depending on what Parky was at Tim. As a guy from Chicago, you understand this. You had to know exactly how fast to get out of that park when it was when the game was over.

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Speaker 4: You know what, back when we was growing up, it wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. We we knew all the all the game bangers. Yeah, you know, the courts and parks was our safe haven. Yeah, out there we played and it wasn't no no friction there. You know, it wasn't no you know, nobody, no fights, no brawls, nothing like that. Yeah, we had the older guys there, older guys you know, really took care of the young guys, took care of the park, make sure the park was safe. Yeah, sure it was safe. Haven made sure you know, everybody was respecting everybody. But once you get away from the parks, you do whatever you want to do. Because it was kids there. Yeah, I don't know how it turned because when I left, you know, things started getting tough. But when we was there, man, we had no problems.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: How was the culture difference going from Carver High School in Chicago, uh to the University of Texas l Pass?

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Speaker 3: So what was the culture difference like.

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Speaker 2: Going from uh, the inner cities of Chicago to Texas El.

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Speaker 4: Passle life changing? Very life changing? You know l Pass. So great people, great city, a well kept secret that a lot of people don't know about. People love to live. You know, it's just a great city. They move at their own pace. Nothing faced them. They slow everything slow there. You know, y'all you all probably get the music first, or the movies first, or whatever. They might get it. You know, three months four months later, you know that somebody come and bring it there. But there was a lot of people from you know, the East Coast, going to Texas, pastor from New York, from New New Jersey, from Philadelphia, from Illinois, Chicago area, Midwest area that that went to UTEP, that played football that you know, just wanted to get out the environment that that they was in and went to another environment. Love l passo, love going back, love seeing friends, and I have a great I had a great time there. But you know basketball Don Haskins, you know, he he put African Americans on the map nineteen sixty six when he beat there, it offered up with five blacks starting and playing the whole game. And you know, they beat one of my coaches, Pat Riley, when he was all Americans. So you know, if Pat really don't like for me to tell this story, but you know it was a great story and a fantastic story.

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Speaker 3: And Willie Wordsley coached me in high school in New York.

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Speaker 4: Dddy Yeah Eddie a great guy. Great guy. But you know, you know, just going there with Don Haskins, unless you was a super superstar, you wasn't going to play on his team. You had to learn, you had to come through the trenches. You had to wait your turn and pay your dues and That's what I did, and that's why I tell kids today. You know, everybody want to make it to the NBA or the NFL. Everybody want to get that money right now, right now, right now. You know, I tell patience is a virtue, right patients, you know, work your way up, Understand what you need to do. Get your mind mature enough, get your body mature enough, so when it's time to go and play, you'll be ready to go and play. You won't have to go to the G League. You won't have to go there and learn and they teach you and they do this with you, and they do that with you. I wanted to come in and play right away, which I did in the NBA. And you know, Don Haskins and and my teammates and l pass Or groom me for this for my career in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: What was it like, uh in the eighties the music scene in Chicago for you? What was some of the artists that some of the artists that you remember listening to getting ready to go to the park or go to the gym?

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Speaker 4: You know, uh you know uh uh were a big step stepping uh city, Yeah, you know we step how big house music is one of my man. You know, house music, go to the house, you go, it's called how we call house heads. You know, go to house parties and and and dungeons and just you know, you feel the music. You're on the wall by yourself, just dancing by yourself. And of course rap, you know, of course rap. Uh play a lot of rap. But you know, once the house music came on, everybody just felt it and it was like, you know, the holy ghost going through your body. Man. You just you know, just just just dancing to it. And that's why you you know, listen to uh more soul house music, rap or R and B to get me up for games, get me upbeat ready for games. Listen to the house music, listen to the lyrics, listen to you know, what they're talking about, and and put you in that mood to go out there and and you know, do what I need to do.

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Speaker 5: Can you explain to people the difference that Chicago house music has as opposed to regular house or even Detroit house for that for that matter.

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Speaker 4: You know, our house music is it's real, uh you know, hard not hard hardcore, but we get hardcore, but it's mellow. You know, you feel the you feel the music, You feel the energy into music, you feel the what they're talking about, how they're talking about it. You know, you know a lot of and if you really really really listen to house music, it's really talking about God. If you listen to it, you know, it's really talking about the man upstairs and and what he has done for us, and and how he moves our body and and how he moves the way we move around in this world. And you know that that if you really listen to it, that's that's what it's talking about, and that's what it's saying. And it's a lot of music out there that that that. You know, it's a funk house, you know, dirty house, you know, but we we listen we listen to all house music. But the most house music is you know, this is acid. Let no man put you put you on into my life, that type of stuff. Listen to those type of house music and it's just Man. I listen to it right now when I go work out, you know, in a move and gets me going. If I'm going through a forty minute cardio situation, it gets me through that forty minutes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when you were coming up obviously Chicago is now solidified as a hip hop city. Some of the greatest ever have come from Chicago, But when you were coming up, it was predominantly New York in LA at that time.

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Speaker 4: Correat.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember who were like some of the first Chicago rappers that felt like they made it outside of local thing?

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Speaker 4: Oh common you had? Uh uh uh what's his name? Uh? If I don't say his name, he's gonna kill me. Uh uh uh, I forget his name.

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Speaker 1: No idea, No Idea was rapping back then.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was wrapping back then. But Kanye West, you know, he from the West side of Chicago and comments from the South side, and uh, it was just a lot of rappers coming out. I forget their names, but uh, a lot of them fell off. You know, a lot of them stuck. But uh, but a lot of them, you know, most of them fell off. Crucial conflict.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course.

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Speaker 4: You know those guys. I did a video with them. They they was hot back in the eighties nineties, and you know, for some reason they fell off. Which was which was bad? So?

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Speaker 1: Which which video were you in?

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Speaker 4: Which one? We had all the cars out there, I forget which one? I was in. Man, I'm fifty eight years old. Man, I can't remember that far back.

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Speaker 2: That was like, Yeah, speaking of speaking of that, you came into the league in eighty nine and immediately changed the culture of the Golden State Warriors with you, Mitch Richmond, New York legend, Chris Mullen and y'all took on the Monica run TMC, which is a player on Run DMC. Obviously, what was that like in that moment for you and did you feel like, Okay, we're we're in the middle of doing something special, not only for the NBA but for the Bay Area and just changing the culture of how the game of basketball is played.

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Speaker 4: Man, it was special and we only we was together for two years. Yeah, those two years was very special. And the culture of us and people still recognize us as run TMC thirty years later. And what what we did out there on that out there on that court and broke a lot of people joy. We you know, people stayed up to watch us at Tempter eleven o'clock at night on the East coast. And so when we came in on the East coast, Chicago, Miami, New York, New Jersey back then, yeah, uh, you know Philadelphia, we sold out. You know, we sold out. People wanted to come see us, and you know that was partly because of Chris Marlin because they wanted to see Molly mal you know, because he was from that area. So as a man, I mean, you know, if we was together, you know for a long period of time, we could have contended for a championship. Uh. We just needed the pieces around us, uh to come together, which you know they were, and we just wasn't able to finish what we wanted to finish. And it was a blow. It was a big blow to us when when Mitch got traded, I mean a really big blow to us. But our friendship has lasted this long, our family friendship, our kids. Uh, you know, we wasn't changing for the world and me going I thought I was a professional. I thought that I was. Uh, you know, it was gonna take me a couple of years, three or four years to get my niche and everything. But those guys gave me the confidence. Mitge, Chris rod Higgins, Terry Tigo, Don Nelson, Shrunis, Mario Ellie, those are out list of all Jim Peters and Tom Tober, you know, all those people gave me the confidence to go out there and beat me and what I need to do and play the way I need to play and to uh uh you know, take you know, just take the rain to that team and as they would say, make it go. But you know, being around Chris Mullen and Mitch Richmond and Rod Higgins, the professional guys, they came in every day, worked on that game every day. I came in one time and Chris Mullin was he was working out an hour before practice. Then he went out there and practice, then he went out and worked out another hour after practice. So I mean, he he was he you I thought I was in shape, but he was in HERB shape. And I was like, man, I got to get on his level. And once you once you get in that on that level in superb shape. Uh, you know, just playing the game. It's just just having fun and doing and doing what you you normally do.

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Speaker 5: During those years, did you guys ever have any conversations with run DMC or any acknowledgment after you took on them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we we we had a couple, you know, some conversations with them.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, Chris knew one of them because they went to college together. And then they want to I forget I forget his name, but they went to college together and they was in the same class together, and you know, I mean they they knew each other like I mean, they still know each other like they was, you know, they was boys and everything. So we had conversations with him. The thing that we we should not have done has had them introduce us before the game against Magic Johnson, them and and and LA Lakers, because I saw I had a corner my eye. Magic had the group and it was like, okay, they making a markery out of us. They think it's a concert. This is for real, this we we we were trying to win a championship. And their focus was man. They went from you know, uh a layup line to their focus was you know, out of this world. And Magic had them focused. He came out there and he surgically killed us himself by just just carving us up with his passes, you know, his leadership out there on the court. And we we learned a lot from that game.

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Speaker 2: In the Bay Area Highie is there is there sound? What was it like for you being in Bay Area and you know, were you were you ever into the hiphee movement, the hyphee sound, did you ever adapt because it's kind of sort of similar to house a little bit, like the tempo was a little you know what I mean. But so did going moving to the Bay Area, living in the Barrier for those years, did you appreciate and enjoy the high fee movement?

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Speaker 4: Man, we had three five seven, Humpty hump e forty Uh what's name mac dre mac trae mc hammer. Yeah, we had all those cats man, Richie rich all those guys man, and we was listening to that there raped in the clubs, you know, out on the street, because that's what they was playing. And then there's you know, they was playing all type of other music, but you know, in the clubs, that's what they was playing. And they had so much you know, Tony, Tony Tony. Them guys had so much music and and and so many solos that when you go on the club, if you just play all their music, uh, you know, here and there, here and there, just through the club, you just gonna bump all night long, you know. And then you had even you know he wasn't from there, but you know, God rest his soul. Uh, it was Frankie Beverly at his music and every and fire. They they had a They just played a lot of stuff in the club where you could just vibe to it, and it was it was it was cool and you know, the music that you're talking about, it was there, but it really wasn't there at the clubs that we was at, because we was at grown up clubs.

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Speaker 3: Type of party.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever run into mc hammer at.

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Speaker 4: The club hamma e forty uh uh uh three five seven, humpty humph? Who else was it?

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Speaker 5: Did you ever run into like an early tupa when he was with Digital Underground and.

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Speaker 4: You know what, you know what, we ran into him early. We ran to him early, like you know, ninety ninety one, and then he just blew up from there and didn't come back.

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Speaker 3: He was out of there.

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Speaker 4: He was out of it. He was doing I mean, he was I mean like he blew up quick.

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Speaker 5: I've heard some wild stories about mc hammer that we shouldn't get the dancing fucked up. I heard that mc hammer rolls with Navy seals and crips everywhere he goes.

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Speaker 1: He was one of the sari people.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't It wasn't just pop music with Hammer. It was it was. It was real street shit with hammer.

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Speaker 4: Well. I didn't know and want to know, but I'm quite sure that they was in there.

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Speaker 3: From Chicago. Yeah, you can spotted you.

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Speaker 4: When you the first thing when you come, you know, the first thing you know about when you from Chicago. You walk in the room. You surveyed the room. Yeah, very carefully. You know where the exits are at and how to get out. You know who is who and what is what. You asked questions, and you know, you go about your business very lightly, so you know what you know, if you see something going down, you'd be like, I gotta go, you know. But you know MC wasn't like that, and it was it was. I can say this, I'd never been in a club in the Bay Area where it was a brawl or a fight broke out.

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Speaker 3: Oh well okay wow in the nineties saying that that's big.

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Speaker 4: And that's for real. I've never been in the club where where a fight or brawl broke out where I was at, so I can't you know, some guys have, but I never witnessed that at the clubs I.

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Speaker 1: Was at at that time.

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Speaker 5: Was was masterp making any noise at that point because he moved to the Bay to really start. No Limit actually started in the Bay not doing it right, right.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, but he was in and out of places, but he really into his music and doing what he's supposed to do with his music. He wasn't like, uh, like in the club all the time. Yeah, in the club, you know, Uh there was you know. And another thing you got to understand that that mc hammer lived way out in San Francisco. He was on top of the heel. So he had his own recording studio. Them people didn't have the recording studio in Oakland. Outside Oakland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you know, we only have run teams he like you said, for for a very short time. But it was definitely uh impactful on the on the organization. Looking looking at you know, obviously what Steph Curry and Clay and Dremond were able to build with the Warriors, do you ever sit back and just look at them play and just think, like me and Chris, we would give y'all a problem if we had a three on three against Clay, Steph and Dramond.

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Speaker 4: No, they had problems with us. They definitely had problems with us. The way we played and the physicality that we played with. We would have brought that, you know, into the frame of things.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: No, and all three of us had different types of games. You know, Steph could get to the basket and do a lot of things. Clay he would have had problems because you know, he only won the two dribbles. Yeah, would have had to get open, and you know, we switched out and we would have made them drible. Dre would have made you shoot. His jump shot would be a lot better because we would have definitely made him shoot the ball. But uh, you know, you know, you can't you cannot take nothing away from those guys. Yeah, and what they have done for the Bay Area and what you know, Raymond and Steph continually to do for the Bay Area. Uh, it's remarkable, man, It's remarkable basketball. And I love watching them play. You know, I only get hype, you know when I when I'm watching certain teams play, like my son play his team. Uh, Steph Curry and the Warriors. Uh, you know Lebron and l A Lakers, Uh, okay, okay c and Boston Celtics. You know those guys. You know, because because I like the way they play, I like how they move and pass the ball, play good defense. Uh, and nothing bothers them. Nothing bothers them. You know, they they cut go out there and just play their game. And they know if they down team, they know they're gonna make a run and come back. So I mean, but but you know those you know what what the best shooter in the world. Uh, but I still take Chris Mallen, but the best shooting world.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people tim they don't you know, they they hear about Chris Mullen, but they didn't never saw Chris Mullen play. Me being from New York, you know, I had the opportunity to really see Chris Mullen play. And people don't know exactly how much of a great shooter that Chris Mullen, not even shooter, much of a great player that Chris Mullen was. Do you find yourself having to remind people often, like y'all got to start putting mull In this in this, in this, in this conversation of white boys that had game.

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Speaker 4: All the time, all the time. I do not let them get away with not saying Chris Mullin. I've seen Chris Mallin not missed for two and a half hours and people be like you lying, you lying, you just I ain't gotta lie, Okay, if you don't believe me, that's on you. I saw it. I saw it. I'm cood with it. But you can't take that away from it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Know I didn't seen him make You know, if you if you, that means if you don't miss for two and a half hours, you made over one hundred jump shots. You know you you made over one hundred jumps and uh And people think I'd just be lying, but you know, you know, when when is the last time you ever seen a white guy win three uh m v p s and in the Big East or three any m v p s anywhere, you know, even though they don't stay that long, when he is the last time you saw a white guy that can shoot the ball that that that that you know three times played the year in the Big East, when we're talking about they had Patrick Ewing and those you know, you had uh uh Smith and those guys at Pittsburgh you had you know, had Sarah qs with uh uh uh with uh what's his name, uh, Pearl Earl Washington, I mean Pearl Washington and those guys I mean, yeah, you know, I mean, come on, man, come on man. I mean he went against some tough guys. Yeah, and he was a three time uh uh you know, Player of the Year of there. So you know that that says enough for himself right there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have no idea what he did for New York whites, like the confidence he gave us anything possible.

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Speaker 3: Chris Mullin was a He was a He was a hell of a player.

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Speaker 4: Slow. He was slow, man. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Get to a spot though, get to a spot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. People tried to speed him up, and I just passed on the ball, and I'm just laughing. I'm like, what they say, what are you laughing about? I'm saying, y'all, y'all just yeah, I mean, y'all trying to speed him up, y'all knocking to beat them up. That's the way he plays. Play at his own beat. He gonna shoot at his own beat. And he was just averaging twenty five a game.

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Speaker 1: Did he ever take you through Bay Ridge or through Brooklyn at all?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course. And I was just amazed of how, you know, people running outside and bound down to him. I was I wasn't really looking, you know, around and looking at you know the sights. I'm we walking down the street and people are running out of their apartments or whatever, and and and establishments and bound down to them like, yo, if you want to come in and eat, it's on me, you know. I'm like, I was like, wow, I see I heard about this, but yeah, got here.

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Speaker 3: Legendary for sure.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people like to talk about, you know, obviously your time in Golden State, but as a New Yorker, your time with the Miami Heat. I gotta I gotta be honest, Tim, you broke a lot of hearts in the city with you and the LINESO morning, and you know, the guys down in Miami what y'all did to the Knicks every year was just absolutely disrespectful. But I think you know that part of your career with the Heat. I think that a lot of people don't talk about enough what you did in your time with Miami. How was it going from the Bay to Miami and building what y'all built down there with the heat?

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Speaker 4: We built that with pure heat culture, you know, just having heat culture in your blood, having heat culture in your in your veins and your heart, and understanding this is the way it's going to be This is how we're going to play. This is how we want to play, This is how we're going to be prepared. This is how a mindset is. And if you want to be the best, you got to go out there and prove it each and every night. And you got to beat the best. And you know, you never could beat Chicago Bulls because of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and those guys. Uh, you know, uh we had you know, it was rough basketball games with the New York Knicks, but loved it.

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Speaker 3: Loved it.

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Speaker 4: We changed we didn't love it. But you know, you gotta understand, y'all got the best of us, you know, the last you know, those three years y'all with the Allen Houston shot, with a couple of other plays that y'all made. Uh, in the in the playoffs, y'all got the best of us. We was number one. CEE y'all was number one eight ce y'all wasn't supposed to be in the playoffs then, but y'all somehow got in the playoffs. It was good for TV. We got to take that right, you know. But those good battles, one change them for the world, you know, playing against some you know Spree well, Islan, our stars are Oakley, my man, Old and Patrick and those guys. You know, I wouldn't change that for the world. Man, it was great for basketball fans around the world. Uh, but you know, we had a job to do. Both teams had a job to do. Sometimes we won. Sometimes they want but y'all won in the crucial stages of the playoffs and y'all went forward. We didn't so but uh, like I said, I wasn't changing for the world. And it's all about he culture. He culture. Like I said, you got to come in. You gotta be ready. You got to be ready. Your mind has to be ready. You know, you got to put all the other bs out your mind. You got to you got to come in and know what this is about. It's only about winning. It's only about winning. And it's about pat Rowley's mindset. If you don't have pat Rowley's mindset, you shouldn't be on that team. You should you you shouldn't be playing on the Miami Miami Heat team. If you don't like it, you know that maybe that team isn't for you. But we we went there and we we understand. We understood. Uh, you know everything that came with it, and we didn't. We didn't. We didn't bitch, we didn't moan, we didn't grown. We went out there and we did what we were supposed to do and have fun doing it.

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Speaker 1: What was the energy like in the garden during those days?

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Speaker 4: Oh wow? You know the reason why the energy was was crazy is because of pat Rally. He left, how he left, how he faxed them, you know, a little shit of paper.

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Speaker 3: I'm gone.

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Speaker 4: But they didn't understand what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. And now they do and they're they're lost. Their bad but uh uh, I mean, he has a system. He doesn't deviate. He always came cool and collective. Uh he's steady. He's always prepared, you know. And that's the way he is, and that's the way his teams are. And I liked it. I love being around him. I love I love the atmosphere. And you know, just when I first got there, we played against the Knicks. We were sitting New York. They said, Hey, this is gonna be the craziest stuff that you ever see. They really really really hate us, they really hate us. I'm like, okay, I mean I mean, it can't be that much hate.

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Speaker 1: It it was Yall and Reggie.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow.

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Speaker 4: You know, I haven't felt that much hate since uh, probably playing in the city of Chicago when I was like in you know, a freshman, sophomore, junior in high school. It was I mean like, it was bad man. It was bad, but you but you know what, Chicago prepared me for those type of situations. So when I went out there, it didn't phase me. But it was bad man. It was bad and you and you came to understand and out there and just play. That was it. That was all go out there and shut them up. That's what we did.

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Speaker 2: You had probably I would say top five most iconic basketball shoe in the history with the air Raid. What did it do for you as far as like your star power after that sneaker dropped because at that point, I think you were on every one of my homeboys walls. We had all had your posters and the lockers in our high school, in our middle school. The air Raids is one of the most iconic shoe in history. What did that do for you on a personal level as far as your celebrity after that?

00:31:13
Speaker 4: But you know, if you don't do nothing on a basketball court. The shoot don't mean nothing. That's but you know, you still got to go out there and perform. You still got to go out there and show them why that shoe is out and why that is your shoe, and why you want them to wear your shoe and buy your shoe. But if you don't, if you don't go out there and perform, they like, you know, you're another bus. Yes, so I think, you know, I just went out there and played the way I supposed to play with a lot of confidence, and went out there and and and put my team in a position to win each and every night. And I just had a move that get me to to kill a crossover there to get me right to the lane and make a play for my team. And it was exciting, and you know, and I had just an exciting uh era about myself that you know, I talked some stuff. You know, I mean, you'll fail you yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, come from Chicago, you know I get it. But you know I talked a lot of stuff, you know it. And and that's what you had to do when I when I walked in the gym, I wanted you to see that look I'm here to to fuck you up, and that was my intentions. I'm looking right at you. It's gonna be a rough night.

00:32:33
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's what.

00:32:35
Speaker 4: That's when I walked into the gym, that's what I wanted my persona to be. And you know, uh, that's that's how I wanted Jims you to be. When you saw somebody with that gym shoe on, yeah, oh he come to give it to you? Yes?

00:32:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the air raids. I gotta be honest, we all wore them. But I never could get that two steps to UTEP.

00:32:56
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

00:32:57
Speaker 2: I couldn't get to it. It wasn't the sneakers didn't work, man, I couldn't.

00:33:00
Speaker 1: I could definitely was the shoe the shoes.

00:33:03
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this. When you were to Ed Jordan, you wanted to fly like him?

00:33:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, But that wasn't that that that wasn't happening. It wasn't happening. It was more believable. For it was more of a thing like we felt like we could do the UTAP two step, but it was like every time I try to in and out, Nigga picked that ship off, go the other way.

00:33:20
Speaker 5: I'm like you should say it ain't working, Tim, Tim, I was just happy when I could touch the nut.

00:33:27
Speaker 3: It wasn't worth I mean, you know, and.

00:33:31
Speaker 4: You know people, this is not a knock on Irison. And what Iverson said talking about practice, talking about practice, and I still don't know what they was talking about. When he was talking about practice. I was in I was in the uh uh, Jamaica, somewhere on gold and I and we when we was eating and we was watching him do this press coms. He was talking about practice and I was like, Okay, they must have said something upset and or something because we didn't catch the first part. This is knock on. This is not a knock on Alan Irison. I just love to dribble the basketball. I just love practicing on my game. I just love so when I went out there, I just I knew that nobody could steal a basketball away from me. Yeah that that my handles was that tight. If I wanted to do an in and out move behind the back and then in and out moved with the left hand and go scoop it up with the left hand, I could do that because I practice on it, you know, So I practiced on just dribbling and going out there and making my game perfect. So when I when I'm out there, you know, I wasn't scared. I wasn't. I wasn't like in awe, nothing I can come back at you. Right.

00:34:46
Speaker 2: Ninety six ninety seven the heat you had sixty sixty one wins. I think you hit over two hundred three pointers that year, probably one of your best year statistically. What was the A lot of classic albums came out a year we had jay Z, Reasonable Doubt, Tupac dropped that year, Biggie Life After Death, eight Aliens, Aliens Outcast. What was some of the music that you can remember listening to before the games during that during that run with that year with Miami.

00:35:15
Speaker 4: Tupot, jay Z, of course, Biggie, Uh, who else was it? Uh? You know, and I still listened to Eric being Rock, Kim l L kul Cha. You know we still back then. You know, you still had tapes. Yeah, yeah, you know they was coming out with CDs, but you still had tapes. Yeah, And so you know, you you had a variety of with different songs on it, different albums on it, and you know, but but going to the games, it was it was mainly house music. House music, and my son was in the car and he could contest to that. And he said, hey, Dad, everybody talking about this crossover. This crossover, you know, he said, I know you'd like to listen to your music, but can you, you know, tell me what's the crossover. Turned the music down. I said, you you never seen a crossold He said no. I said, because you're in the back there playing the tendo, right around, eating food and hanging out with the kids. I said, you need, you need use the bathroom before the game, then your seat. I don't know when it's gonna happen, but it will happen in the course of the game. And I turned my music back up after I got to talk to and he said, okay, so and then so it was ironic. First the second player the game, I got to steal and I'm thinking, I hope he's in his seat right I hope. I'm hoping he's in his seat right now. And I crossed Chris Childs over and I went to the hole and laid it up and I just glimpsed out the corner of my eye pointed at him and he jumped up. He pointed at me. I was like, okay, cool.

00:37:02
Speaker 3: He saw it.

00:37:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he saw it. After the game. He's like, I know what it is now. I said, okay, cool, But uh, you know that that that was a big moment right there for me in that car when he asked me that, and I'm like, you don't know, yeah.

00:37:19
Speaker 3: You know, and he know now he know, now he know?

00:37:23
Speaker 4: Now you know? And I you know, I think my kids are finally finally realizing, you know, what I did and how I did and what type of play I was, and they finally realizing like, damn, dad, you he was kind of nice.

00:37:41
Speaker 3: Ain't you was the real deal?

00:37:44
Speaker 2: Speaking of crossovers, who are some of the players today that you absolutely enjoy watching just by the way, you know, just to handle the ball and you know, uh dribbling and crossover.

00:37:56
Speaker 3: Who is some of your favorite players to watch?

00:37:58
Speaker 4: Uh? You know, you know, I want to say, you know, I'm sorry to see that. Kyrie heard itself last yeah, with the A c L And that was tough to see. And I know how much he put into this game and how much he loved this game, and to see him go down like that, that that's that's tough for everybody. And so but no, Carrie Irving, no questions, James Harden, no question Uh. You know, I'm going to even tell you some other guys that have it. You know, Tatum from Boston, he got a nice crossover. Of course, Steph Curry, he got all types of ship, he got all the type of stuff you know. But even you know, even Jamal Murray he got handles man. Jamal Crawford, Uh uh, you know, but he talking.

00:38:57
Speaker 3: About right now, right now today.

00:38:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jamal Crawford, he did get you up out out of your chair.

00:39:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:39:04
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I've been watching too a lot of him lately. Darius Garland, I wasn't as familiar with his cross and I've been watching like a lot of the Cavs games this year. I'm like, okay, like he he has that, he has that that that package with him.

00:39:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, he crossed somebody over when he was here and I was watching him play and against Detroit Pissons, and he looked over at me, He's like yeah. I was like, yeah, okay, you know what I played with his dad, Winston Garland Ate my first year doing very well.

00:39:37
Speaker 5: Speaking of other Chicago legends and Miami Heat legends, what did you think of Dwayne Wade's statue.

00:39:44
Speaker 1: Outside of the arena.

00:39:46
Speaker 4: He got a statue.

00:39:52
Speaker 3: I mean, it's his jersey for sure.

00:39:54
Speaker 4: It says his name. I'm going up there in a couple of weeks and I'm gonna take a picture. You have to me, I'm gonna hugg it, hugg have him take a picture of me and put on my Instagram. Yeah, I'm here and congratulations in the same way, you know. I mean, have we really ever seen Michael Jordan's face on his.

00:40:19
Speaker 1: A's A side profile. I guess I've never really no.

00:40:21
Speaker 2: I mean I've never seen it. I've never been to the to the to the arena and seen it up close. But I could probably guess that that went up in the nineties. I could probably guess it don't really look like Mike Like.

00:40:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know what what statue really really like? Get you? You know what I'm saying. I don't know. I don't know, but you know, I mean people talk about it. I talk about, Hey, this man got a statue outside. I want to say he did work. He did work to get that statue. He won championships. Uh, he played with the best, he played against the best, and he busts. The best is ass. So I'm just happy that he has a statue. I mean, I I don't care what it looked like. I mean, he is Dwayne Wade's statue. That's all. That's all. That's all that matters.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: Who is on Tim Hardaway's personal top five NBA players of all time?

00:41:21
Speaker 4: Top five? You know, I, of course Magic, Michael Ah, Isaiah Thomas. You know I always always change it up. You know, you got Larry Bird, you got Big Game James, you got Tim Duncan, got ha Keem Olaijahwan, you got the Big Jabba. Always put Kareem up there. Always put Kareem.

00:41:48
Speaker 3: He dominated every level of basketball.

00:41:50
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, gotta put Kareem up there. And you know, I don't know, you know, I sometimes I say Larry Bird, sometimes I say, uh A Big Game James, but I take Tim Duncan.

00:42:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I put.

00:42:05
Speaker 2: I've been tweeting probably for the last two years, and I get killed every time I tweet it. But I think now more and more people are starting to agree with me. I have Steph Curry in my personal top five players of all time. I don't think that I've seen five players impact change, dominate the game from his stature, not being a big guy, being a small guard. I don't think I've seen five players play basketball better than Steph Curry.

00:42:32
Speaker 4: I can't agree with that. Yeah, I can't agree with that, no question, I can't agree with that.

00:42:38
Speaker 2: I just thought that watching the you know, the Olympics last year. One of the last shots that he took when he was double teamed over Batum and the other player when they freeze frame before the shot he takes wide open on the wing. You have the all time Olympic basketball leading scorer and the all time NBA leading scorer wide open, and none of them were upset that he took that shot.

00:43:03
Speaker 3: No, that's just crazy to me.

00:43:06
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I mean Steph Curry, he has done it before, and they know what he could do when he gets really, really, really really hot. That's what he was really really really hot, and you know what, they was all on him. A lot of people was on him, Like right before the medal rounds. What's wrong with Steph?

00:43:26
Speaker 3: He got off the gates a little slow.

00:43:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got out the gates a little slow. You know, sometimes you deferred to other people that's on the team, and when it's your time you know, it's your time. He knew at that particular time it was his time. So he went out there and done what he's supposed to do. And they had no problem. Actually they was waiting on it.

00:43:47
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:43:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, Maul and I have this debate pretty often.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: Do you think the bubble ring has an asterisk next to it?

00:43:55
Speaker 4: I think people has put the bubble ring with an asterisk on it. But you gotta understand, and they played. Mhm. They could have not played, and it could not have It would not have been that little season, that little playoffs and that championship. But as you could tell, Uh, Jimmy Butler, he was out there, he's playing his ass off.

00:44:21
Speaker 3: Yeah he was.

00:44:22
Speaker 4: I mean the Miami he was playing their butt off. And so it was the Lakers and they wanted to win. Both teams wanted to win, no matter if it was an astridsch or not. But I don't think it should have been. But I mean, you know, people say it should be, but I disagree with him.

00:44:44
Speaker 2: Now I gotta go back to your top five because one name that was missing from.

00:44:49
Speaker 3: A lot of those names.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: You name, I know it is Lebron Yeah, and you so you don't feel like me personally, I have him in my personal top five.

00:44:58
Speaker 4: Maybe sep, I'm saying he's definitely top ten. Okay, Okay, he's definitely top ten. And you can I mean people gonna have them him in his top five. You know, everybody's top five is different. You know, some people not gonna have him in his top five. But he's definitely top ten.

00:45:19
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

00:45:20
Speaker 4: And in NBA history, yeah.

00:45:23
Speaker 2: And that's not a knock if we think about how many people played this game, people think that that's a knock to say Lebron is top ten. I just think that, you know, for me, you know, again, it came up in the eighties and nineties. I think it's blasphem when people say he's a better player than Michael Jordan.

00:45:37
Speaker 4: Right right. I mean seeing Tim agree is the same thing. You know, how many see Michael said I'm gonna win Defensive Player of the Year or I'm gonna win I'm gonna be the Steells leader. You know, he did it. He went out there and done it. And the trophy show, oh dad, and he put his mind to it and he went out there and did it. And no, I mean, you know, Lebron came in didn't go to didn't go to college, played two or three years in college. So it's a lot of guys. I mean, Kareem played with four years in college for yeah, and he's still at I mean for like forty years. He was thirty eight thousand points in the NBA. You know, so with the skyhook. So just think if he didn't go to college. Yeah, you know that would have another four years on. You know, we'd be talking about Lebron trying he getting fifty. Yeah, he probably passed him now at fifty. Yeah, that's where Kareem wil be at. But you know, I mean it's a lot of intangibles to that.

00:46:51
Speaker 2: This has been like I feel like over the last few years, and I think that's just part of history and time going past. There has seemed to be a more resurgence of disrespect for the eighties and nineties of style of play in basketball. You have a lot of current players saying, oh, you know that style was boring or a lot of those players wouldn't be able to keep up with, you know, the players now. They didn't have the moves that the players have now.

00:47:14
Speaker 3: What do you feel about that?

00:47:16
Speaker 4: I feel that young players today don't know the history of NBA basketball. They don't know who was Sue you know, you know for Edwards, Anthony Edwards to not know who his owner is. And Alex Rodriguez, you don't, you don't know about sports, you on, you on, you know, Nintendo whatever. Everybody know about Alex Rodriguez. Even if you don't know about baseball, you know about al Alex. Right like we we we I go back downtown. Freddie Brown, Dennis Johnson, Gus Williams, Jack Sikma, you know, Elvin Hayes, those guys, them guys don't even know. Those guys don't They don't know the history of basketball on which is which is unfortunate because we know the history of basketball, like I know Archie Clark. When I bring up Archie Clark, people, oh, you know Dave being on the history about Dave. See, they don't. And when you when you see them and when they introduce them to these people, they just be like, hey, how you doing right?

00:48:32
Speaker 3: They don't even try to learn think.

00:48:34
Speaker 4: They brain don't learn the game, nothing like that. So that I think that's what it's more frustrating than anything else. It's not you know, uh that they don't give us homage. I just think they don't know what we have done to pay the way mm to make this you know what it is today.

00:48:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked of out of mc hammer in the Bay. I don't think we can skip over any of the Uncle Luke ears in Miami.

00:49:07
Speaker 4: No, not at all. I mean, was that like craze craze absolutely bananas.

00:49:15
Speaker 5: Do you have any any Uncle Lop party stories or anything for those years?

00:49:19
Speaker 4: No, I don't have, of course, I no, I do not, but I will tell you this, I heard about them. But you know that was that was that Miami hurricane. Yes, yeah, you know when they when they was when they was bawling because of Bosworth in Oklahoma Miami. My man, my man, what's his name? The quarterback for for UH Oklahoma coming to a game with with a full mink on stuff like that, you know. So that's I mean, that's why Luke and them went wild in Miami. It was like we the best, and we're gonna do this, and we're gonna do that. And they they they took on his identity, Jimmyjohnson took on his identity. Come to practice, do this, let's do that, Let's walk around here with with with army fatigues on. Yeah, we're gonna here and this is what we're gonna do. And that's what they told you. I mean, why not, you know? And that's why I think college football is is why it's big right now. It's because of that eraror.

00:50:27
Speaker 1: Absolutely know, those those teams were crazy, and I mean.

00:50:31
Speaker 4: And it was really you know Uncle Luke, because I mean, like what he was saying and how he was having parties and look, y'all can't get me in telling n C doua a. Y'all can't get me. I'm having them over here kicking it and y'all can't do and they never got it.

00:50:45
Speaker 1: He was the first.

00:50:46
Speaker 2: Yes, Warren Sap had a bens. Tim, how was it when when when junior played with the Knicks, Like, how how much did it hurt for you to have to root for the Knicks at that point or did you even root for the Knicks at that time?

00:51:04
Speaker 4: It didn't hurt me at all. Didn't hurt me at all. You know, I'm a Tim Hardaway junior fan, and whatever team he's on, I'm rooting for his team, you know, no matter what. So it didn't hurt me at all. Everybody thought that I was going to be hurt. Everybody thought I didn't like it. It's not me, it's Tim Hardaway Junior. It's about him. And you know, my reign is over with now, it's time you put your footprints down and go forward.

00:51:31
Speaker 2: He got busy. He got busy in New York too. He played, He played really well in y.

00:51:35
Speaker 1: Where we're at now with the Knicks.

00:51:37
Speaker 5: His years kind of shifted the culture of the Knicks when he was there. Do you think that trade was a little premature.

00:51:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was premature, but you know, look at Luca. Yeah, you know, look at that trade. I mean, you know, you just got to deal with business is business, and you got to go from there and do what you need to do. So, oh, that's all I can say for that, and and that that that's about it. You know, it's tough, it's tough, but I mean he has dealt with it in a professional way. Yeah.

00:52:12
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I love the way he handled it.

00:52:13
Speaker 2: And then you know, obviously what he was he's done in Dallas, still continue to play well. It's been fun to watch him because you know, for a while it was kind of like, you know, people were like oh, he's not as good as dad, and this, that and the third gave him all of that. But then he made his own He created his own play his game, played his style, and I think he's been able to have a very very successful, successful career in the league. So he's he's doing this thing. And it hats off to you because obviously you helped mold and prepare him for that level and what it takes to be a professional athlete and to and to play at the highest level of basketball.

00:52:46
Speaker 1: What was your first piece of advice to your son when he entered the league?

00:52:51
Speaker 4: Have fun, learn, m joy yourself, be prepared, Always be prepared, lead as an example, and lead when somebody needs to ask you a question, be able to answer that question. But have fun, enjoy yourself.

00:53:08
Speaker 1: I hear that, has Junior ever beat you in one on one?

00:53:12
Speaker 4: Yes?

00:53:13
Speaker 1: Do you remember the date? Not the date, the day happened for the first time.

00:53:18
Speaker 4: I remember how it happened. He crossed me over and he goes gonna dunk on me and I when I turned around and I grabbed him out the end, I was.

00:53:25
Speaker 1: Like, we're not doing that.

00:53:30
Speaker 4: And in front of company too, this is the last time we're gonna play the last time. We're gonna play one on one. Now that that that now that's not gonna happen.

00:53:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, you was, you were.

00:53:42
Speaker 2: You were actually one of the assistants in Detroit when I was there with with Brandon Jennings and we used to hang out in Birmingham at the Steakhouse and the Cigar Cigar Spot a few times, and me and b Jails, Yeah, we Churchills. Me and BJA used to talk about Damn tim Is you know, watching his highlights going home on YouTube watching you.

00:53:59
Speaker 3: And to see Jr. Playing in Detroit? What is that? What does that do for you?

00:54:05
Speaker 2: Like you were there coaching as an assistant, and now Junior is there on the floor with Kate kind of him and those guys.

00:54:10
Speaker 4: I'm just happy, you know. And people thought I was crazy. I said they're gonna win thirty games and they're gonna be in the plan. Mm hmm. It's like, now you sure. I'm like, they're gonna win thirty games, at least thirty games. Yeah, they're gonna be in the playing this year if they stay healthy. Yeah, they get they got Beasley, Uh, Tobias harris Ky gonna come into his own of course, Ivy, he heard itself. Juram, you know, I saw the pieces coming together. I saw the pieces coming together. And the people that I was talking to her around here in Detroit and Michigan, they thought I was crazy. Nah, I don't see it. I said, just watch and see. You gotta be pitched. Just watch to see. Now they're like, how did you know that? I said, you just got to see the confidence in them. Man, how they talk, how they act. It was it's a rough start.

00:55:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a rough chart start.

00:55:03
Speaker 4: But you know they understood staying and they got it together and they bawling, they playing hard, and they out there. They believe, they believe and what they're doing they believe in and JB biggest staff and the coaching staff, so uh you know, uh kudos Trajan Langdon and understanding what type of pieces you need for them to go forward.

00:55:26
Speaker 3: And then they got they got the bruise Isaiah Stewart. They got him. He was you need one of those every team, and he fits.

00:55:32
Speaker 2: And this is so funny having a guy like him in the history of the Detroit Pistons, Like it's just crazy to see that that coach is still in play of just having those guys in the Pistons Jersey that's willing to knock you down, knock blood out your mouth, and go out there and do what it takes to win.

00:55:46
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, I mean just walking around Detroit, you're gonna have that mentality.

00:55:50
Speaker 2: Well, you need that every sense of the word. It's a blue collar.

00:55:55
Speaker 1: How do you feel about your son's taste the music?

00:56:00
Speaker 4: He has a good taste of music, you know. He when I when I listen to his music, it's not like, you know, being somewhere else where you'd be like, no, you need to turn this off. You know, he listened to He listened to jazzy old school R and B because you know he was in the car listening to it when we.

00:56:23
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, that's because of you, right right.

00:56:26
Speaker 4: So, but no, he I think he has him and my daughters have a good taste of music.

00:56:31
Speaker 5: So I'm only thirty four, but I'm I'm turning into the get off my lawn guy with these young kids in the music.

00:56:38
Speaker 1: This shit sucks.

00:56:39
Speaker 5: I know, we're not allowed to say that this generation makes awful fucking.

00:56:42
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I'm with you.

00:56:44
Speaker 4: Yes, I agree.

00:56:48
Speaker 1: Some exceptions, but overall.

00:56:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, some exceptions. Yeah, I do not listen to, uh, what's that the hip hop station? It's got to be R and B or school R and B. But I don't listen to uh, the hip hop raph stations anymore because it's I can't even say the words. I can't understand it really, and it's almost like the same words, the same beat, the same everything.

00:57:20
Speaker 2: Everybody sounds the same. It's no, it's no more. It's not much originality left in hip hop.

00:57:25
Speaker 5: Was there anyone in the locker room when you were in the league that could actually rap or wanted to rap? Maybe maybe you didn't tell anyone, kept it private, who had some bars?

00:57:37
Speaker 4: Probably Mitch, Mitch Richmond or Mario Elie okay, and then uh Eric Murdoch or in Miami Eric Murdoch or who is it m that was? That was?

00:57:58
Speaker 3: That was?

00:57:58
Speaker 2: I mean back in the in the nineties, I mean Shaq was really rapping.

00:58:04
Speaker 4: He was really rapping, He was really rapping.

00:58:06
Speaker 3: He got classic songs actually like classic records. For sure.

00:58:10
Speaker 4: That was probably the only one in the NBA that that really had ye app album.

00:58:15
Speaker 3: Yeah at that time. Absolutely. Now you got a few more guys in the league that's trying.

00:58:20
Speaker 4: Dame.

00:58:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dame Dame is nice.

00:58:22
Speaker 4: Though, Yeah nice yet?

00:58:24
Speaker 1: Really, uh, were you what did heat when Eddie Jones was there?

00:58:28
Speaker 4: And Eddie Jones came that when I was there?

00:58:30
Speaker 5: Yes, am I putting this on his jacke. Didn't Eddie Jones had to rap at one point? I feel like there was an Eddie Jones mixtape.

00:58:37
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

00:58:38
Speaker 4: No, I don't remember that.

00:58:41
Speaker 1: He's somebody else.

00:58:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're confusing that with somebody else. Eddie Jones did not have a mixer.

00:58:46
Speaker 1: I mean a rap take great guard. I'm just saying.

00:58:49
Speaker 4: I mean we talked about I felt like.

00:58:50
Speaker 5: There was an Eddie Jones freestyle or something when because when my dad was living down there, that was the Eddie Jones years, and I swear I felt like he tried to wrap at one point.

00:59:00
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, my bad.

00:59:02
Speaker 4: Stop.

00:59:04
Speaker 2: Are there any of the younger guys, like the younger rappers that you find yourself like?

00:59:09
Speaker 3: Okay I like him?

00:59:12
Speaker 4: No, No, you know, you know I think you know who I think is a bad boy, Chris Brown. Oh yeah, he's a bad boy.

00:59:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris is a Chris is a superstar icon and every every sense of the word.

00:59:32
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

00:59:33
Speaker 1: Did you watch any of the verses during the pandemic?

00:59:37
Speaker 4: The verses?

00:59:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was some swizzing and Timberland.

00:59:40
Speaker 5: Did they did it on like I G Live and everything Tim.

00:59:48
Speaker 1: Some throwback stuff? So and sure, oh.

00:59:50
Speaker 3: Listening to that ship?

00:59:51
Speaker 4: No, No, no, not at all.

00:59:54
Speaker 3: It was funny.

00:59:55
Speaker 2: I was watching the UH The Last Dance documentary and you're in it UH for the All Star Weekend with Jordan and y'all were talking about Kobe and we had Lexi Brown in early and I was, you know, I was telling her. We were talking about, you know, things he listened to before the game. And it was funny seeing Mike on his way to play Utah in the finals and he had his walking in on the CD player and he jamming the jam and they're like, Mike, what you're listening to? He said, Kenny Latimore? I said, Mike, none of Kenny Latimore music make you do this?

01:00:23
Speaker 3: Like what?

01:00:26
Speaker 2: Like I thought I thought he was gonna say some rap Kenny Lattimore. The fact that Michael Jordan's listened to Kenny Lattimore and a complete killer in the finals is crazy to me.

01:00:35
Speaker 4: I can't say this the way they remix it, you know, in Chicago, he probably got a remix of it or something.

01:00:45
Speaker 2: Like youbody had a house version of it, right, something like that, Which was the album like had in that doc before anyone else that was it. I'm saying he had the album tim before it even Yeah, he said Kenny sitting to him directly.

01:01:00
Speaker 3: So it wasn't the house version.

01:01:02
Speaker 2: It was the raw R and B straight R and B Kenny Lattimore album that Mike was doing all of this ship and I'm like, Mike, none of Kenny music make you do that.

01:01:12
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. You're right about that. I'm trying to, you know, put in the version that he was that is true, but you know, I'm trying to help him out, trying to help him out.

01:01:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that All Star That All Star weekend like in New York that year y'all was there, uh, with Kobe and Mike and you and all of those guys.

01:01:34
Speaker 4: Grant Hill great, great great. I was mad because I was like, who the fuck sat me by Michael George? Why did y'all do something dumb stuff like that? Yeah, that's just dumb. I'm like I mean, I'm the oldest in here, you know, behind Mike. How come somebody else can't be sitting next to Mike? A younger guy I had on there. I had to because he got a triple double. I had to go over there and say I had to stop the interview because he got an MVP. I had to stop the interview, and I say, I need to give my clothes on Paul's. Mike was like, you silly. I was like, I gotta go, man, this is gonna take an hour, at least an hour. I don't have an hour.

01:02:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I gotta get out of here.

01:02:22
Speaker 4: I have to get out of here. So, yeah, that's all I was thinking about. But you know, we chopped it up real nice. And you know, he lived in Chicago, he knew my boys, he hung out with my guys and everything. So we chopped it up and have a good We had a really, really good time. But the main thing is we want.

01:02:39
Speaker 5: Absolutely for sure, which I mean, I guess gets us right to your memoir in the book that you have. What was that like reflecting and having to write pretty much your entire life from beginning to end.

01:02:53
Speaker 4: Well, it's called my life from the streets of Chicago to basketball Royal Chief. It's on uh Skyhorse Books and it's on pre sale right now. And you know, just writing, you know, just write my own memoir about how I grew up from you know, as far as I remember, from fifth grade, sixth grade, uh, my household, how I grew up, the gang, violence, the drugs that was going on, you know, all types of things that was happening in your life. And you know we talk about mental state now. Uh, I don't know how I got through. You know, you know, we we had to be tough. We had to you know, walk around tough. We had to because that was our demeanor. That's the way our parents brought up, brought us up. And you know your cousins brought you up there. Well, you got to be tough. You can't be crying. You got to out then and if somebody gonna fight, you gotta be ready to fight them. That's the way we was. But you know it was tough, man, It was tough. So me explaining how I grew up and what it took for me to you know, get out and and make my own mark and how I did it. You know, you I mean, you got to remember a lot of stuff. It's got to be a lot of information, and the book has to be entertained and so people can keep reading, keep reading. And my man, Jacob, he did a great job and be doing that.

01:04:40
Speaker 5: With some of those memories tough, because I feel like a lot of stuff, you know, from our childhood, so sometimes will block out. And when you're forced to reflect, especially if you're writing a memoir like that, was that a weird process to maybe go through some thoughts that you hadn't even thought about in thirty years.

01:04:59
Speaker 4: No, I you know, I had an alcoholic Pops and he was an abusive person to my mom and to my and to myself. So, uh, you know, I think about it a lot all the time, you know. Uh yeah, I think about it a lot all the time. And and I'm thinking sometimes I think about him like wow, you know, especially like when I'm driving to Chicago. You know, you you're thinking about stuff and you just you in a daze, but you know, you still driving, You see the road, you know, but you you're still just thinking about like you're almost daydreaming about and you reflecting and seeing everything that happened in your life back in that particular moment as you was growing up and no self. But I mean, the best thing happened to me was getting out of Chicago, going to l pass So and being laid back. It's so late back there. It's not fast going like Chicago. It's real laid back back. It's real slow and you can really, really really find yourself and understand where you need to take yourself to that next level. For sure.

01:06:12
Speaker 5: Before we let you go, I feel like we have to ask top five basketball players from Chicago. Oh Man, oh Man, that's the tough list.

01:06:25
Speaker 4: Oh Man, Cassie Russell, Isaiah Thomas, Mark Guire, marcagu Yeah, yeah, you know myself, Derek Rose, you know. Yeah, I keep going, Antoine Walker, I just keep going on and on and on.

01:06:53
Speaker 2: Well, Tim, we appreciate you taking some time to talk to us Man again. You know, one of the most legendary players, one of my favorite players growing up. It was a pleasure in the honored to have you hit with us today. Rory and Maul, we don't know ball, but obviously Tim Hardaway Senor knows a lot about ball.

01:07:08
Speaker 3: Book available win.

01:07:11
Speaker 5: October November, Okay November pre order right now, pre order right.

01:07:15
Speaker 4: Now from Skyhorse Books. I mean, if Skyhorse book is bringing out but Amazon pre order right now from Amazon.

01:07:23
Speaker 1: Have your team, said Josh over the Lincoln will put it in the YouTube.

01:07:27
Speaker 5: So we'll do that before you leave, though, quickly, can you admit that deep Dish is actually lasagna and not pizza?

01:07:36
Speaker 4: Well, I don't eat deep dish.

01:07:38
Speaker 1: I needed to lie. Huh, neither do. I think it's the worst piece.

01:07:42
Speaker 4: Of on Earth. It's a lot of people that like deep Dish. But I'm from the South Side and real pizza people know in Chicago way to get the real pieces. It's called Italian Fiesta, okay, where you get the real piecea from and I go dead every time I go back there, they give it when I walk in and oh, how can we younity call it? I said, I did call you. I said, y'all need to look on there. They say, here you go. You know it's nothing because Italian Fiesta.

01:08:11
Speaker 3: We gotta check that out. Italian Fest. Next time we.

01:08:15
Speaker 4: On seventy first and Jeffrey.

01:08:18
Speaker 2: Seventy first and Jeffrey, We're gonna check out their slices at We're gonna check it out next time with Chicago Tim Hardaway senior.

01:08:24
Speaker 3: Thank you, my brother. We appreciate you and it's been a pleasure.

01:08:27
Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate you all. Keep up great work and hopefully I'll be on again.

01:08:31
Speaker 1: Let's sure, man, appreciate you.

01:08:33
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

01:08:34
Speaker 1: No