Becoming a Best Ball Bro: Drafting Just One Quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Rich you ever seeing the movie Homeward Bound?

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Speaker 2: You know, I remember one of my teachers wheeling in the TV one day and showing us and us all be exciting, not knowing that we would be receiving trauma that I still carry to this day.

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Speaker 1: What about you, Yeah, Yeah, I've seen it. Of course. I showed my daughter Homeward Bound for the first time this past weekend, and I have a take. Shadow, the Golden Retriever that everyone loves. The main character, if you will, in that movie is by far the dumbest of the three animals that is in that movie, Shadow. The only reason why these animals are in danger is because Shadow put them in danger because he has the worst intuition of any animal I have ever seen in my life. I'm JJ and I've been playing in best ball leagues for years. But there are people out there who play a lot more than I do, and there are people out there who have won a lot more than I have, and I want to learn from them. This season, I'll be doc commenting my journey of Max entering Underdog's Best ball Mania contest, and I'll be doing so with guidance from some of the most successful Best Ball players on the planet. This is the year where things start to change. This is the year where I officially become a best ball Bro. Welcome in to another episode of becoming a Best ball Bro. I'm jj zacharieson who is becoming a best ball Bro? Joined as always by Rich Ryan Rich. What's going on, Buddy?

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Speaker 2: I had to brow it up. I got to go backwards, snap back. You know, we're getting into bro season hard and heavy here, so I had to join in the Really, what it is is that my hair is an absolute catastrophe right now. Yeah, so we're going hats I.

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Speaker 1: I feel that I'm very jealous of people who can who can shower at night, go to bed, wake up the next day, and still be able to do their hair, because my hair will just be stuck the way that it looked in bed throughout you know, the hopeful seven to eight hours of sleep that I get that night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I use I believe it is intended for women, but it's like a non frizz because I have the thinnest hair possible. And yeah, if I do not apply that and step out into society, I look like an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, speaking of disaster, I drafted the worst Best ball Mania team known demand literally an hour before we started to record. I set myself up like, like, there's nothing more tilting with doing a Best ball draft than when you go through the first like four or five rounds of your draft and you feel pretty good about the individual picks that you're getting, but there's just no correlation at all with those picks. And then you get into round six, it's kind of still going on and you can't quite you know, you're getting snipe from these like game stack pieces, you know, like into round seven, round eight, and that kept happening for me, and then I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna build some later round stacks. You know, I'll get like a Charger stack. I'll get Justin Herbert because I drafted Lad McConkey. Josh Palmer obviously gets drafted thirty picks before ADP, so I'm not able to get him for the stack. And then and then Justin Herbert gets drafted twenty picks ahead of ADP, so I can't get Justin Herbert. And then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna pivot. I'm gonna at least go with a you know, late round New England stack of some sort. But of course I was able to get Drake May and so I had some sort of like New England Charger situation going on. But then I was like, I need a QB three because Gino Smith was my other quarterback. Like Gino Smith Drake May, I need a QB three. There's no way I can win anything with with Drake May and Gino Smith. And I'm like, let's just take a chance. This team is absolute dog do doo right now. Let's just take a chance and say I had Michael Pittman, I had drafted Devin Singletary for some week seventeen correlation. Why not go for Danny Dimes and pair him up with someone in the last rounds and maybe he can relive some of that rushing magic that we've seen in the past. Yeah, and for whatever reason, Dimes gets drafted like two rounds ahead of ADP so I couldn't even get him. My quarterbacks on this team are Geno Smith, Drake May, and bow Knicks.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's disastrous. I I posted it to the Late Round Fantasy Football Discord because I need people to realize that you know the the you know even though I'm becoming a best ball bro, I still, you know, have some pretty awful lineups. I'll bring it up right now. Figured that it might be helpful to read you the entirety of the team. It is Bo Nicks, Geno Smith, and Drake May. Running backs are Breese Hall, Jonathan Brooks, who you know, I like Jonathan Brooks, have been talking about that. I also did a running back dead zone study that dropped in the Late Round podcast feed that really favors a guy like Jonathan Brooks, Devin Singletary, Gus Edwards, Zach Sharbonet. So those are my five. I went with a five running back build because Breecee Hall, you know, being sort of like an anchor there. And then a wide receiver. I have Jalen Waddles, Zay Flowers, Michael Pittman, Xavier Worthy, Lad McCall, Monkey JSN and Javon Baker. And then I have cole Comet, Hunter Henry and Greg Dolsitch at tight end. I don't like getting cole Comet, this is one of my very like I only get him in game stacks, and I had to kind of force it because I needed that Seattle Chicago, you know, week seventeen correlation. But I was getting a little cute, like I got Jalen Waddle like six picks ahead of ADP to kind of change things up. I'm trying to learn here, Rich, I'm trying to listen to these bros and these pros tell me, you know, to change things up with your one two picks, your first and second round picks, a differentiate your lineup a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you swing and miss. These things happen. Now I have to ask, was this a slow draft because you also put in the late round discord that you had a need for speed this past week got into a fast draft and catastrophe struck once again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was a fast draft. This was a fast draft. But I also, as you noted, I think I put this on Twitter right where I yeah, yeah, I joined a fast draft and literally thirty seconds later, so I entered one of the marathon contests. If you guys aren't paying attention to what's going on with like the contest and stuff, an underdog, you can join a Marathon's a fifteen dollars entry. There's no playoff. It's just weeks one through fifty or one through seventeen cumulative score. So it's a different strategy, and I talk about that strategy with my with with the guest of today's show. But I joined this marathon draft, and I am excited. Maybe it wasn't a marathon, maybe that draft actually was a BBM, but regardless, oh no, it was a Greyhound. It was the six dollar entry. Anyway, I just promoted the marathon just so you guys know what that's all about. It was a Greyhound draft and I joined it. And thirty seconds after I joined, my wife's like prepping something in the kitchen, and it's Sunday. We kind of just hung out all day because the weather wasn't that great. And I don't know if you if you have kids, if you don't have kids, you look, I have a year and a half year old and I have an almost six year old. She'll be sick in July. And having that in your house even for twenty four hours, with like not going outside because of weather, it's just very, very difficult on your mental state. So I'm like, you know what, I'm going to join a draft. I'm going to kill two birds with one stone, be a dad and draft at the same time. And then all of a sudden, my wife says, Hey, I need you to run to the store. I need some I need some stuff for dinner. And so I'm like, all right, I got to do it. So I joined that draft. I'm driving and drafting, which I don't recommend anyone, doe. But it was all local drily.

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Speaker 2: A red lights, only red lights and stop signs for only yeah.

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Speaker 1: Red lights. Look, it was only throughout my neighborhood. And there's a lot of stop signs, and then there's a couple of lights until I got to Publics, which is really close to my neighborhood. And so get to Publics and I'm I don't get a shopping car because I didn't need that much stuff. By the way, you should always get a shopping cart. You always get more stuff than you think that you need, right Uh. And so I'm walking around and I'm drafting while I'm trying to find the dairy freezes at Public's. Fortunately I found that, and I think the draft. Look, the draft didn't end up that that bad. I don't think. I think that team build was actually okay. But it's posted on Twitter if you guys want to check it out.

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Speaker 2: You said dairy free cheese. I didn't know you had dietary restrictions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you heard or not. You know this, this podcast feed doesn't know that I'm gluten dairy and soy freed nearly as much as the Living the Stream podcast feed. But yeah, I mean, I've been joining a lot of marathon drafts because I just think it's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: And what's your biggest what's your biggest pivot? It's not on our show sheet, so I might be asking you something cold you haven't fully prepared for, but I know you're doing these drafts, so you're thinking of this obviously. Top of mine. The biggest pivot is we don't have to cram in week seventeen or week sixteen game stacks as much because it's cumulative points. So what has been your your biggest pivot point when it comes to doing these marathon drafts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, our guest Liam Murphy has some takes on this, and i'll add to you know, I won't say what he said necessarily. The thing that I just thought of immediately was I'm probably going to lean heavily on just individual team stacking and not necessarily you know, I don't care at all about Week seventeen obviously, you know, I'm not game stacking anything, which is kind of nice. You know, you also are really really shooting for ceiling in sort of a different way with the seventeen weeks, where you know, in an individual week, in the playoff weeks, right, you can find a guy who just gets hot right like you could you could find a tight end who has spiked weeks at the right time and stuff like that and still come out on top. But for this, you know, it's just a little bit different because you need that production all season long, and you have to think about it, you know, from from a full season perspective. So I do think now that I'm thinking about it and talking about it, I do think you can make the argument that maybe rookies are a little bit more devalued in the format because week one to eight is just as important as week nine to seventeen, and so hypothetically, like we know, and I know through research that rookie wide receivers, rookie running backs, especially the non stud ones, the non blue chip ones, they generally do a lot better during the second half of the season versus the first. If you're talking like you know, Bijon or Jamiir Gibbs last year, or or maybe even like Marvin Harrison junior this year. That's not gonna really, They're they're gonna produce right away, like they're they're not gonna it's not gonna take them until week nine or ten to really produce. But one of the the upsides and benefits of drafting rookies is that they're so much better during the second half of the season, like like their production, Like you can do analysis to show from a season long perspective that rookies are really good values no matter what throughout throughout your re draft league. So sure you can get rookies strictly from that standpoint, but when there is a focus on the playoffs in the late season, like in your home league, like in bestball Mania and a lot of these Best Ball contests, they're actually even more beneficial to grab. So like I'm okay in a lot of these Best Ball drafts reaching a full round to get a rookie wide receiver, even a rookie running back, but wide receiver, it's even more glaring and obvious, you know, like a Jermaine Burton, a Jalen Polk like those kinds of guys. I'm okay with reaching about around early to get those players because I know that their production is going to hit and spike more than likely at the correct time, Whereas in this marathon man, I mean, Jalen Pole could do very little to start. Jermaine Burton's a great example, like he might not do that much to start the year, or even like a Ricky Piersoll, who could be buried behind Eyuke and Debo if neither of them either get traded or what have you. And so I do think that maybe there's a little bit of a downgrade there, but I'm still gonna draft them because overall, season long, rookies are still better values than non rookies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe there's an interesting exercise out there for somebody that looks at coaches and them putting rookies in or giving rookies more opportunities earlier than that.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: I can speak personally from my fight in New York Jets that it took I don't know, four or five weeks for Garrett Wilson to get up to like a seventy percent snapshare, which was outrageous if you look at the wide receiver room when he was drafted. So maybe what JJ is saying is definitely going to pertain to the Jets and especially brayln Allen, who looks like he's going to be the RB two if this OTA hype comes to fruition. But maybe somebody out there, if you look at the Coach Speak Index or something like that on Twitter, and maybe you can mine and see some of these coaches that might give rookies an opportunity earlier than not. You also said here in the show sheet that your BBM five entries are picking up a ton. You've got to target of fifty by June, the completion of June. So how's BBM doing. What are your biggest focuses right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I might even up that till like seventy five or so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, BBM, I think is going fine for the most part. I think the one thing that I'm really trying to work on is picking and choosing when to not go wide receiver in the early rounds, Like I'll rarely go running back and quarterback in the first five rounds these days. Some of that is because of what Hayden talked about last week, and just you know, the importance of getting all those wide receivers. But what I'm noticing most with ADP and with running back value in particular, is if there's a position that's gonna fall into round five in a round six, like like a round four player going into round five or even into round six from from you know, like that's just free falling throughout the draft, it's gonna be a running back more than a wide receiver. It's almost never a wide receiver. You have, you know T Higgins for instance, in round four, He's never a round five player, like it just doesn't happen. Or like Christian Kirk in round five. He's never a round six player. He always goes in round five. Whereas Rashad White Rich, I mean earlier in the in the draft season, he was like a like an early to mid fourth round pick, I believe, and then you know he slowly went into the fifth round. And and now Rashad White will go into the late six and I've even seen him go in the seventh round of drafts. And so the running backs will fall at times. And so what I'm trying to do is pick and choose when I'm gonna attack those players, because I am playing high volume, right, So if I have so many entries, I'm going to just try to get extract as much value as I possibly can from the running back position as opposed to the wide receiver position, because the wide receiver position just is not going to fall the way the running back one is, largely because we know that everyone's going to be just snagging them up and drafting them no matter what, and so I don't want to fall behind. I want to keep getting those wide receivers, and you know, I'll let value sort of fall to me as opposed to forcing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I just control F to RB to look at ADP change over the last week, and I scrolled all the way to the bottom to see who the biggest fallers are, and there's just yellow all over the place at RB. All the other positions are pretty evenly distributed, but I'm seeing Keaton, Mitchell, JK. Dobbins, Nick Chubb, Austin Ekler or Montre, Stevenson, Tyrone, Tracy all dropping an ADP and not many w rs are around them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. It's great. Like the market there is nuts. And I've mentioned this before, but the way that I formulate my Best Ball rankings over on the Patreon is, I take my redraft rankings and I have a formula that they sort of get spin into and then it comes out the other side with these underdog rankings. And I have a weight in that because look, in redraft and regular redraft, I like running backs a lot more than I do in Best Ball for for market related reasons and even just the game type that we're playing reasons, right, And even still I've been a more wide receiver heavy ranker through the years, you know, with my redraft rankings. But I think people would be shocked when, like, like I've thought about this a lot over the last week or two, where you know, we see Isaiah Pachecko going round five oftentimes Isaiah Pichecko, and I think I mentioned this in my interview with Liam, Isaiah Pichecko could be a second round pick in your redraft league this year. You know, like a lot of these running backs that are going in four, five, and six in these Best Ball drafts, they're like second round picks in redraft. And so I'm trying to balance, you know, the redraft market and the Best Ball market. Come up with this formula, and I realize now that I need to weight wide receiver even heavier in that formula to push up these wide receivers. Because I'm looking at my rankings when I'm drafting, and I flip back and forth from rankings to ADP to just see sort of how you know how to extract value best. And what I'm noticing is there's pockets in these drafts where you know, wide receivers aren't on my rankings list for like twenty guys when they should be near the top, or there should be a good mix of running back and wide receiver. That's just the way this market is. That's just the way this game goes, and you can't ignore it. You have to play into it. You have to get these wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: And it's your process should change if your volume of drafts goes up and your learnings go up. It would be foolish if you created a formula in April and never change this, right. So right, the fact that that you are changing your forma through the process and in taking new data to do so, is is wise. It would be foolish to do otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you know there's there's also this is kind of related to this, But there's also super flex drafts that are going on now, the super flex puppy that Underdog launched. I haven't done one yet. I don't know if I'm going to be very aggressive with them, just because I'm more interested in maxing BBM and doing some of the like I like the marathon a lot, and I'm trying to master, if you will, or get a lot better at just the classic game as opposed to, you know, digging into the superflex side and how things look there.

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Speaker 2: It's a totally different game. You've been exercising certain muscles and then all of a sudden they want you to play left handed.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly. I will say, though, I've gotten a lot of requests from people over the last week saying are we going to get super flex underdog rankings, which I just don't have the time and ability right now to do that for that one specific game type. But I also think people sort of overrate, like going from single quarterback redrafts to super flex rankings and how much that like. The way that I would look at this is I would take a single quarterback ranking sheet. I would look at positional rankings. Let's say, okay, you can look at overall rankings too, just to get the positional rankings. But oftentimes super flex drafts, the market is not consistent from one draft to the next. Right like your home league super flex league, you might see the QB twelve go in round two, and in another league that QB twelve might go in round five. There could be a lot of reasons for that, whether it's scoring, whether it's the supply and demand side, and how many running backs and wide receivers you're starting, what have you. There's just a wide wide range of how super flex drafts will go down because we don't have as much data on that, and people are kind of wild and crazy in that format because all of a sudden, quarterbacks do matter a little bit more, and when quarterbacks matter more, people are gonna get crazy with it because quarterback is an interesting, important position in real football. Now, when you look at best ball rankings from a single quarterback to a superflex league, what I would do is just use the single quarterback rankings and see how the market is sort of developing at quarterback in these superflex leagues, and just react based on your tiers based on where these guys are ranked in general. Right, you don't need to say, oh, hey, here are my super Flex rankings, I have eight quarterbacks getting drafted in the first ten picks, because that might not be the way that that individual league's market is really going to work. I think that's really true for attacking any format, is that you really need to understand tiers so that you can extract as much value in your individual league's market. Because I've always looked at fantasy football where you have sort of the overarching market, which is ADP, which is what we all look at and gravitate towards and want to sort of beat, right, But then there's your individual league, like the league that I just did, the best Balmania draft that I just did, where people were drafting quarterbacks a lot earlier than I anticipated. That's that individual league's market, and what happened. I didn't react fast enough, and now my freaking quarterbacks are Gino Smith, Drake May, and bo Nix. Right, you need to be able to react to your individual league's market, and that's no different in superflex. So I'm not saying that like it wouldn't be helpful to have super flex rankings. I understand it would be helpful to have them but you can still use the same positional rankings for super flex and just use ADP as a guide to know when to attack these particular positions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I know you've talked about you theory previously within auction drafts, first of the tier last to the tier going to cost the most. In the middle is where the value, and you can use that not that you're going to be spending dollars in an auction when it comes to these drafts. Right when the tier starts, you just be aware that the guys in the middle are going to go after that, and then there's gonna be a rush as the tier starts to close for people to grab that last guy. Let's get into some individual players. If you've been drafting the last week and there is still a running back in the Emeralds City that has captured your eye, ADP has him up moving slightly only one point two spots still going in the twelfth round JJ, So I'm sure you're very happy to scoop this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming the ADP is moving up because I'm drafting him everywhere every opportunity I get jokes aside. Look, Zach Sharbonay, I still think is just a really, really good value. This is a standard case of a player who is being drafted at his projection, who has contingent upside where they have a brand new coaching staff. We have no idea how run heavy, how pass heavy. I mean, if they take some of the concepts they that we think they might take, they could be a fairly pass heavy offense. But I saw reports this week where they want to be a little bit more run heavy. Whatever. I'm regardless of the direction they go, it's gonna help Zach Sharbonay, right, it's gonna It's fine, Like he can be a runner, he can catch passes. But if you look at the data and how And I said this whenever they made the sharbon At pick, and I wasn't totally right because I think that they still gave Kenneth Walker a little bit more work at least from the during the front half of last year than I expected. But I think if you look at what happened towards the tail end, Sharbonet started getting used a little bit more in that offense, and we saw that Sharbonay is what we thought he would be from a prospecting standpoint, where he's just a solid back. He's like a James Connor type back. He can do everything right. He's you know, he can catch pass out of the backfield as a bigger bodied guy, which isn't something that we always see. And he's someone who can grind out yards better than Kenneth Walker can. Walker is a great, great player, especially from a home run hitting ability standpoint. Kenneth Walker can make gigantic plays and that's the one reason why I'm still okay with drafting him in best Ball, because I know that Kenneth Walker has an RB one ceiling each and every week in Fantasy football. With that being said, Sharbonay could hypothetically dig into that workload more than we expect. That's one out for him. This offense could be better than we expect as well, which I think it is. I think the offense in general is just undervalued, like DK Metcalf whatever, but like JSN, I think could have a really good year Tyler Lockett, maybe he's still effective at his age, But in general, I think that it's a an offense in Gino Smith, something that me and Hayden both talked about last week. Gino Smith is just a solid value I think at quarterback but if this offense is better than expected, then that's gonna help everyone in the offense. But then the contingent upside if Kenneth Walker goes down Zach Sharbonay, like I always think about the contingent upside this way, if this player were not part of his offense, where would you be drafting this player? I said this all the time in the show. I might have even said it about Zach Sharboney. And if Kenneth Walker didn't exist, Zach Sharbonay would probably be like in the Josh Jacobs range, like if not like would he not? It would be his backfield. Josh Jacobs is splitting with Marshawn Lloyd, or at least you know Lloyd could is a threat. Maybe he'd go around where Isaiah Pacheco goes. So there's a lot of upside still with Sharbona and he's being drafted at his projection, which is why I'm drafting a lot of Sharbonay right now.

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Speaker 2: Charbonney a very solid ninety point three year two score. This next guy wide receiver for the Baltimore Ravens has an excellent year two score of ninety six point eight. And you were slamming the draft button on Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 1: I think Zay should be a third round pick, and he goes in the fourth, So I'm I've reached for him plenty. I don't even know if it's called would be considered reaching in these wide receiver heavy formats, but I think that it was actually funny that team that I was just talking about, I went with a four wide receiver start, maybe even five. But in that draft I passed on Michael Pittman and I took Zay Flowers over Pittman, and I think that's a take that I might stick with throughout the summer. But regardless, I ended up taking Zay Flowers at like towards the end of the third round, I think I was in the ninth spot, and no one wonted Michael Pittman, so I just got Michael Pittman in the fourth. So I still end up getting pit Yeah, So it was like it was like the right cause you only need one team to like a player to then draft that player, and I obviously ended up choosing right in that someone probably would have liked Zay Flowers, but clearly people weren't liking Michael Pittman that much. But the Zay Flowers thing, you have a second year receiver. When you have a second year receiver who had a very very very good Year two score, like an elite year two score, those players in the wide receiver two, wide receiver three range hit at a very very good rate. And so I think you look at the landscape in Baltimore. I know his splits weren't as good with Mark Andrews last year, but I also think Baltimore is gonna naturally be a little bit more pass heavy this year because I don't think their game scripts are going to be as favorable as they were a season ago, just based on regression. I think there's a lot to like about Zay Flowers this year.

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Speaker 2: Second year with Todd Monkin and Lamar Jackson too, I'm sure Tom Monkin wants to open it up even more this season. All Right, we talked about two exciting players, good year two scores, a lot of juice. Let's talk about your two highest rostered quarterbacks and come back to earth a little bit. Rookie Drake May who just drafted in the fast draft that you mentioned, and once again Bryce Young hunting those Carolina stacks. What do we got here?

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Speaker 1: Ja Ja yeah, as I said in the show notes helped me. Look, I don't have like insane exposure to quarterbacks because I don't think it's necessary. So like Kyler is up there, but I do have Drake May and Bryce Young at like thirteen percent. So thirteen percent is not that high from an exposure standpoint a single player, like a lot of people are going to be well over twenty percent for their highest rostered players. But that being said, it's clearly a play on. If I get an elite quarterback, I am not getting another quarterback generally until the final couple rounds. And when I'm doing that, I'm just getting a cheap stack. And Drake May and Bryce Young. You know, Gino Smith is in that group. But in order to get Gino you almost have to have invested in one of those wide receivers to make yeah, exactly right, right, Whereas with these other guys like you can make it, like Drake May has got plenty of three later round wide receivers. Jalen Polk's rising a little bit, but Javon Baker's still late. To Mario Douglass, you can go kend Born, you can go kJ Osborne if you want to and Hunter Henry as a tight end. I don't mind. And then Bryce Young. You know, I'm a little surprised, a little surprised that people aren't latching onto the Dave Kanalis hype a little bit more based on what he did with Geno Smith and Seattle, based on what he did with Baker Mayfield in Tampa and that week seventeen game Carolina gets Tampa Bay. It's not really a matchup that you're gonna be overly afraid of, maybe, and so you know, I just think that that Young has an opportunity not to be He's not gonna be a QB one like I'm not. I don't have I know what happens to quarterbacks when they have as bad of rookie seasons as Bryce Young had. I'm not optimistic about him in Dynasty. It's none of that. It's just the fact that you can get him oftentimes in the seventeenth round. And if I have Josh Allen, if I have Jalen Hurts, if I have Lamar Jackson or even Patrick Mahomes, I generally am not investing, you know, in a high end QB two with that guy. I would rather just wait and wait, wait, so I think that's more of a reflection on that situation more so than this insane optimism about these quarterbacks. But I still don't. I think there is at least something that we can latch onto with these guys. Bryce Young, better weapons, a better coaching staff, Drake May sneaky rushing upside right, Like, there's still something that we can latch onto and say, these guys could be okay enough in fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. I caught like the beginning of a UFL broadcast this weekend and I saw Harry Douglas Falcons legend. Harry Douglas was a sideline reporter, and for some reason I thought it was Pop Douglas. I was like, uh, he retired, he said, the sidelined like Jay's cut. So much exposure to him, what's gonna happen?

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Speaker 1: I got a text to him, but no, it was just, hey, I know that people have given me a hard time for my to Mario Douglas exposure and pre draft drafts. But there was a quote from Drake May today saying that to Mario Douglas reminded him of Josh Downs, who played he also loved. He also loved Id I love Josh Downs too. Yeah, but he played with Drake May and college and dominated. That's why his production profile was so good as a prospect. So look, all you haters out there who say that the Mario Douglas has no upside, just listen to Drake May.

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Speaker 2: I love it all. Right, last two guys running back position. You've got Fades here. You dumped on him last week in the intro last week, Ravondre Stephenson. Uh, and we've got a Zamir Jones here as well. Dead Zone op episode dropped today, which you talked about it, but expand upon these two players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Zamir White, excuse me, Yeah, no, you were well you were seeing.

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Speaker 2: And Aaron Jones.

00:29:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I called out. I called on Aaron Jones because I I want to talk about really quickly before we get to the interview today with Liam Murphy, which is a great another great one. I've been very lucky to be talking to these like incredibly good players and smart people. Other Champ. It's yeah, yeah, exactly another Champ. But I did this study in the feed, which you guys probably listened to yesterday. If you're listening to all the episodes that I that I drop. But but if you didn't, I would go back and listen to it. It's one of those episodes where you know, not every episode that i'd drop am I like, oh my gosh, this is something that I need people to listen to. But I do think the dead zone one is really important because I get questions about it all the time, and I really try to formulate it, formulate it in a way that you can walk away and really take something from it. And so you know, the TLDR of that is basically low end RB twos have been very, very bad bets in fantasy football in the past. But if you have a rookie or a second year player in that RB two range, even high end RB twos aren't as good of bets as like low end RB one's, like there's a pretty clear tear drop. But if you have a rookie or a second year player in that range, those guys are actually great bets. If you have an RB two who's a rookie or a second year player, he performs just as well basically from a ceiling perspective as low end RB ones. So what that hypothetically would mean, let's just pretend in a world that Jonathan Brooks ends being the RB twenty three this season. From an ADP standpoint, he hypothetically, based on history, would have a similar ceiling outcome as Kyen Williams. Right. I don't think that, you know. I'm not saying.

00:31:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't don't lose your mind sitting there saying yeah, don't don't sit there saying.

00:31:21
Speaker 1: I saw Kyen Williams. Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm just taking any low end RB one type. That's what Jonathan Brooks could could be. Right. But then the opposite in that RB two tier is true too, where if you have veteran running backs. This is what the RB the running back dead zone really comes down to. It's not a dead zone for all running backs. It's really a dead zone for veteran running backs because these guys are veterans in the league who still can't become and get drafted as RB ones or even high end RB two's. These guys are basically getting juiced up because of projected volume, and that projected volume often disappear even if you can't see a path to a disappearing, which is a very important thing to remember. Everyone saw that with Mike Davis in Atlanta just a few years ago, and then Cordero Patterson comes out of nowhere and steals a lot of work. Miles Gaskin was part of that too in Miami, and he wasn't able to keep up this monster workload, right, I see that happening one million percent. I mean, from a forecasting standpoint with Ramandre Stevenson, I think Ramandre Stevenson is just insanely, insanely overvalued right now. And then I think that's a mere White is insanely overvalued right now too, because I think the guys that you're gonna get, you know in uh two rounds later or a round later. Now on Underdog, I will say that Drafters have done a pretty good job of sort of closing that gap and keeping those guys closer to like the Nase Harris Jalen Warren Arizona running backs into the Cincinnati running backs tier. I don't think that's gonna happen in your home leagues. But there is one player, Jones, and even like David Montgomery, I hate to say it, I think Montgomery is still intriguing because of his contingent upside, But Aaron Jones, I think Aaron Jones. The more that I've looked at this data and thought about the research, I think Aaron Jones is the dead zone back this year, and so I'm trying my best to not get him as a standalone running back in these drafts. Instead, I'm just gonna get him in game stacks with Green Bay whenever. You know, my draft kind of goes that way.

00:33:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Alex Collins, by the way, you need to add him to the list generational zone running back. And the other thing that you brought up in the episode that I really liked was don't be fooled when the dead zone running backs start to slip a little bit, right, Like, especially in these best Ball drafts, if you see the receivers there that have value, don't be fooled by the fact that these guys are going maybe like a half round or a round later than they should be. These dead zone running backs, like you need to really let them slip before you decide to pull the trigger. Or if you love your roster construction, there's obviously such situations where you can take these guys, but but don't let it. Don't don't let it force a pick that you shouldn't make otherwise.

00:34:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the bottom line is that I would not be overexposed to Zamir White, Ramandre Stevenson, Aaron Jones, and maybe David Montgomery. But I think Montgomery is in a good enough situation and has that contingent upside to where I'd be okay with getting him in, especially in a best ball format, right. I think a guy like Aaron Jones, there's no contingent upside, Like if ty Chandler gets hurt, Okay, what's that? That doesn't that I mean, maybe he'll see a little bit more work, sure, but it's not like the same as David Montgomery seeing Jamiir Gibbs getting hurt, you know. And so I think that's one of the keys, is that I'm still gonna get some exposure here and there in game stacks. I'm probably only gonna be at like I'm assuming at the end of the summer, when I'm looking at exposure, I would guess that Remandra and Zamir are in that like two to three percent range, like at at most maybe like I just am not, I'm not feeling it that much when I can get some of these other running backs who project pretty similarly, you know, just a little bit later.

00:35:05
Speaker 2: All right, well, let me bow out and let somebody who knows what they're talking about. I'll talk to you.

00:35:09
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, I was gonna say. We gotta get Liam to chat a little bit so people can stop listening to me talk about the running back dead zone more because you can just listen to the freaking episode instead of me having to just say it all over again on this show. But yeah, Liam Murphy, he won a Best Ball Mania in the past. He's had two other big Best Ball wins. We talked about what makes him a successful player in Best Ball, the single elite quarterback strategy, which is something that some folks have been touting where you only draft one quarterback on your Best Ball rosters. We talked about that a little bit. We talked about the strategy for the marathon, and much more so. Without further ado, Liam Murphy. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. If you haven't played on Underdog yet, now's the time because Pick eight is live for the NBA Finals eight entries with up to eight picks, and Underdog will automatically double flex entries so you can miss up the two picks and still win your entry. The best part is you can win up to three hundred and twenty five times your original amount. Don't miss your chance to try pick eight before it's gone. Just head to Underdog Fantasy dot Com or download the app to sign up, and when you do, make sure you use promo code Late Round. That's one word. When you use that promo code and you make a deposit, you'll not only get a deposit offer, but you'll also be emailed a free copy of the Late Round Draft Guide when it drops on July first. That's Underdog Fantasy dot Com promo code Lateround. Now back to the show, all right, Liam, So you obviously have had a lot of success playing best Ball. Can you let the listeners know what contests you've won, how well you've done historically thus far, whether it's on Underdog or not.

00:36:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was fortunate enough to win Bestball Mania two, which feels like you know, EON's go at this point. Yeah. At the time, it was the biggest best ball tournament winning in the world because Underdog made it a million and one dollar So I was I was really fortunate to win that one. On my on my cousin's bachelor party, we were sweating that down in Key West. It was an unreal experience. And then parlayed that the next year and won the two high stakes tournaments on DraftKings, which was their five hundred and fifty five dollars tournament for two hundred and fifty grand and their two K tournament, which was I mean that one's only like one hundred and forty four people, but I counted, you know, and took that one down for fifty grand.

00:37:41
Speaker 1: Heck, yeah, man, do you do you like remember where you were when you drafted that Best ball Mania winning team.

00:37:47
Speaker 3: I'm like pretty sure I was on my couch because it was a it was a June draft, and I'm pretty sure I was like on my couch watching a movie because I like roughly remember the start of Jonathan Taylor and Aaron Jones because that year, you know, like I mean, beastball has changed so much as far as like what's offered, but like that year, you know, there was all the like the Aaron Rodgers rumors of like I can't quite remember what it was, but it was causing DeVante Adams and Aaron Jones to fall and like allowed me kind of like unique combo due to due to like fear, not that like Aaron Jones was essential to winning or anything, but I kind of remember that that time cycle. So I'm pretty sure I was on my couch and watching a movie and drafted.

00:38:36
Speaker 1: Just just casually winning a million dollars from your couch.

00:38:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, just just casually sun running, you know, from the couch.

00:38:42
Speaker 1: You know, no big jo. What do you think then, has separated you as a consistently good, successful best ball player. What do you think like separates you from maybe players who aren't as consistent or you know, aren't uh necessarily putting in this? I mean, is it is it work that you're putting in? Is it a mentality that you have? What do you think really has been has been the separation piece for you?

00:39:05
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:39:05
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't say just me, you know, And I'm not going to pretend like I'm the best best ball player in the world, right, Like, you know, results does not always mean you you played well, right, Like I think I'm a good best ball player. I do put in work, and I would say a couple of things separates like a good best ball player from probably someone who needs a little bit of work, right, Ultimately, Yeah, like a little bit of work will get you pretty far, because most people are just not willing to even like do anything, you know, they're just they're just there, they're ripping their drafts, They're not doing anything from the get go. I've not been afraid to have like my own my own thoughts. Where back in Basketball Mania two and before, there was almost no content on best ball. What little content you had was like people being like, oh, you know, you really you can't straight too far from ADPs, like the market is a really you know, correct force, and like I was like, no, I think the market is like terrible in certain situations. So like I was getting like heavy ADP stands as far as like anyone out there trying to improve their best ball game, It's kind of it's kind of hard what to say, because different people struggle at different things, right, Like some people probably just don't have good structural builds right where they're just allocating too many, you know, too many running backs or too many wide receivers. Like back when I the year I wont BBM two, a big takeaway of mine was I was starting wide receiver heavy and ending up with too many of them, right, Whereas like I was starting like five wide receivers in the first seven rounds but ending up with nine of them, and you know, and like kind of my takeaway was I need to be you know, there's no there's no reason to do that, right, Like I need to believe that these five wide receivers I start with are gonna gonna return value, They're gont they're gonna fill my my starting lineup spots, and I need more darts at at running back. Some people are not thinking about how do how do you win? Right? How do you advance through these playoff groups? How do you beat people in the finals. They're more thinking of how do I advance? How do I beat my pod? Which you know, building a team that can beat your pod? Okay, it's got a chance to win, but it's made the playoffs, but it's not it's not necessarily the same thing as like how do I beat five hundred people in the finals to win one point five million dollars? Versus how do I, you know, advance out? And then it's like best balls, like ultimately like a weekly upside game, right where like I think a player like Devon ah Chan represents this right, Like some people are like what is this guy doing being a second round a third round pick, right like his, because they're thinking of, like what is his season long projection, the thinking of the fact that, like most of you, it's gonna see the field, maybe Jalen White sees the field, whereas anyone who plays basketball knows that ah Chan can literally give you fifty points and when you weeks, which is what what you need.

00:42:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an interesting point because I remember last year. You know, this year, I'm playing high volume. Last year, you know, I played probably not probably I played more than the average person. You know, clearly, like this is you know, my fantasy football analyst for a living. Clearly I'm gonna be playing a decent amount of best ball. But like this year, I'm just taking it to the next level. But I remember last year I wasn't heavy enough on the forty nine ers, And part of the logic and the thinking that I had going in was really just like the season long mentality. Obviously, the forty nine ers like outperformed expectation, you know, in terms of just like how many touchdowns we thought they were gonna score, all that kind of stuff. But regardless of that, it's still looking at this from the perspective of in a season long managed league, you're probably not gonna love George Kittle. You know you're gonna have this insane roller coaster as we've seen for years with Kittle, you have this insane roller coaster ride. But from that perspective, like I wasn't really going after him heavily, like in Best Ball and stuff last year, but I do think that he's another example of that where you're getting a piece, and this year I think it could be like Houston right where Houston individually, the wide receivers on those teams, yeah, we might only see each each of maybe only two of them end up as wide receiver twos and then maybe one of them is a wide receiver, three into wide receiver four, maybe two of them are wide receiver. However it ends up happening, But there's obviously contingent upside with those players. And then on top of that, there's the spiked week aspect, where we know that that offense is gonna have firepower. And so if that one week is a Nico Collins week and he catches ten balls for one hundred and fifty yards and two touchdowns, we know that's in his range of outcomes in a given week, you know, despite having Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell there, But then there's also that contingent upside. I think that's a point that really gets lost for people when they go from season long to best ball, because in season long it's a fifty to fifty game. I mean, like you're you're going up against your opponent. Of course you want these insanely impressive, legendary lineups that you just crush your competition no matter what week in and week out. But at the end of the day, if you're playing in a twelve team season long league, like you're you're not a format You're you're really not going to need the same You don't look it upside the exact same way as you would in Best Ball. And that's been a huge change for me. Like to start to the a Chan example is great because I remember the start of this offseason and approaching things. I'm like, man a Chant, why why is he going at the two three? Like why is he going to the late second? Now he's obviously going like early third, oftentimes even into the mid third, And at first I'm like, no, I can't do this with the von a Chan but but I've been gobbling up a ton of him up a ton after you know, talking to Karine a little bit. Obviously this discussion, it just makes a lot of sense. You got to you gotta flip that switch and sort of think of best Ball in that manner. Now to that point, you said that you know what you think could separate you, and obviously you're gonna be humble about it, But what what could separate you is that you weren't afraid to sort of go against the grain to some degree with player takes, with ADP and thinking about ADP as not the gospel. Do you think that drafters are sometimes a little bit too rigid with their overall draft strategy who they're taking, and they focused too much on previous season data, especially when it comes to best Ball, where we've only had four of these tournaments and and you've you mentioned it, like the first two especially ADP was not even remotely what it looks like today in terms of where positions were getting drafted, you know, wide receivers going where they go today versus where they were going even two years ago. Do you think that people are possibly being a little bit too rigid with the way that they are approaching their roster construction right now.

00:45:54
Speaker 3: Yes, and real quick, I just wanted to say, was I think you bring up the forty nine ers is such a great example of like a best ball mentality. I feel the same way about the forty nine ers as I feel about the Bears players and the Texans players. Right, they're all probably too expensive to work out in your brain if you're just thinking of a season long league, right, but you're not playing a season long league. When you're playing best ball. You need to advance out of your pod twice. So you need to advance out of your pod in too many tournaments, So you really want players who can get you there, and then you need to beat everyone in the finals.

00:46:27
Speaker 4: So you know, like.

00:46:29
Speaker 3: People who are like, oh, how are the Bears guys going to pay off? It's like I think Cale Williams could throw for forty five hundred yards and thirty plus touchdowns.

00:46:37
Speaker 4: Like I think he can do that.

00:46:39
Speaker 3: I want pieces of this and yeah, like if someone goes down, they're going to win. You On the topic of if people are too rigid one hundred percent, right, because like I feel a lot of data that I hear. You know, there's data that's descriptive, meaning it's describing what worked the past year, right, And then there's data that's pre which is like what we care about, right, And it's hard to isolate what is predictive versus descriptive and best ball. What's especially complicated is you have injuries year to year, right, So if five running backs get hurt in the first round, and you're just someone out there being like late round running back smash, right, but you're ignoring that, like, well five dudes toward the ACL Like really, you're just saying, Okay, these guys got hurt last year. The other thing you have to think about is what is available later in drafts, right, So like if you're gonna say, oh, late round running back is a smash this year or for this year, late round tight end? Right?

00:47:38
Speaker 4: Oh, late late round tight ends always worked.

00:47:40
Speaker 3: But me personally, I don't feel like the same tight end archetypes that have smashed in the late round are necessarily there this year. Right. So you can't just you can't just copy and paste what worked the past year. I think another thing, and I've written about this one, which is another thing that I'm hearing a lot this year, is why would I draft early when last year, if you draft in August, you smashed because you got you got Pokin Nakua, you got Kien Williams, you got Tanked Dell. And it's like, hold up, people, like, let's add some context here. Do you think you're gonna find a Kien william every year? Do you think you're gonna find a Pookin Nakua every year? Do you think you're gonna have Tank Dell scoring a preseason touchdown and bringing him from like nearly zero percent drafted to one hundred percent drafted? Like, of course not, You're gonna not gonna get that amount of value every single year late round in drafts. And you know, as far as like drafting early, what if I don't know, what if Breest hall Tais is acl in August, right, like not wishing an injury on anyone, but then Braylan Allen or whoever the Jets backup running back will go from an eighteenth round pick to literally a third round pick or higher.

00:48:52
Speaker 4: Right, So that's a lot of value for drafting early.

00:48:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that's definitely true. I also think that like people when they fou so heavily on what happened that the positives, the Pukahs, the tank Ells, et cetera. I mean, like what happens if Jonathan Brooks goes to OTAs and he goes to training camp and he is totally healthy, He's just totally fine, and we get reports that he is gonna play and that he's ready week one and he's gonna be the their bellcow. He's not gonna be RB twenty four anymore, right, He's probably gonna be RB. He's probably gonna going like the close to Pacheco or like Rashad White or something, right, and so like, it's very easy to get fixated. I've found, at least to get fixated on the outcomes of what just makes your argument favorable without looking at the entirety of the argument. I seem to agree. I mean, have you seemed, I don't know if you've looked this up or not, but have you found that your lineups that you've drafted in say May or June? Because I was actually surprised. I saw that you were doing your live streams and you're up to like fifty bbms so far something around there, right, Yeah, and now I know that bbm's filling faster this year than it was last year, and I actually started entering a little bit more just to kind of like like, all right, this is getting a little scary how quickly this thing's feeling. But regardless, like, is that a typical number for you, Like, it seems like that's probably I could be completely wrong with this, but it seems like it's on the higher end for someone who's max entering to have fifty done by the end of May or that first month and leaving yourself with one hundred for the for the final three months of this summer. Or is it really just you being like, dang, this thing's gonna fill. I want to get my one hundred and fifty entries in, you know before maybe it fills in like the end of July or something like that.

00:50:35
Speaker 3: No, I'm not worried about it like filling too soon. I think it will fill a little bit earlier this year, just because they kept it the same size and they're offering different contests, So maybe it fills like two weeks earlier. But it largely has to do with like most years, I want to do around a third of my drafts early, around a third of my drafts late, and then just fifty throughout this summer just to see what, you know, what kind of news cycles we get. And also has to do with me, like I don't slow draft just for my mental health. It's not great for me to feel always on the clock.

00:51:13
Speaker 4: You know.

00:51:15
Speaker 3: I like to do my drafts and be done. I would rather do like I mean, I literally I would rather do twenty fast drafts at the same time than just be on the clock for you know, a month.

00:51:27
Speaker 4: And so.

00:51:28
Speaker 3: And I just feel like the ADP's like day one is a day I always want to attack, right, Like that's when Keon Coleman was going in the hundreds, Latin Maconkey was going in the hundreds, right, you know, certain running backs like marsh On Lloyd you get in like the seventeenth round, right, like guys that steam up. So and it just has to do with me having to do fast drafts on all the other sites. So you know, I just I have to keep the volume up so August doesn't come and like all my dopamine leaves my body.

00:51:59
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, yeah, yeah, I got I got you. I I need to get better at doing more fast drafts because I've been in slow draft hell for the last three weeks, four weeks. I mean it's like, you know, like literally over one hundred slow drafts right now, and I you know, it's mostly because I got kids, and I don't know how I can sit down necessarily and just crank these out. But I need to find time because it is, uh, it's not the easiest always, you know, on your mentals where you're waking up in the morning and the first thing you do, instead of going to the bathroom, you open up your phone to see how much time you have left someone.

00:52:31
Speaker 4: Draft at midnight to try to rush the clock.

00:52:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, and then you can just get tilted because someone sniped your stack. So, speaking of sniping stacks, there's been a lot of discussion recently that I've seen about going single elite quarterback, and I'm just curious about what your quarterback strategy generally is, because it does seem like you can go in a lot of different directions. It does seem like the quarterback market is relatively efficient, I would say overall, like I don't think that there's like this like massively obvious, you know, like five years ago, the quarterback market and fantasy football was absurdly ridiculous, like you could find late round guy. I mean, that's why, you know, ten years ago, twelve years ago, that's why I started doing fantasy football stuff, is because of the late round quarterback strategy. But it does seem like people you know have generally caught on. Obviously, Underdog is pretty sharp, you know overall now, But there's this discussion about getting a single elite quarterback and leaving it at that. And I just have to talk to you about this strategy because I haven't really dug in, I haven't talked to any of the sharps about this and what it all means. But this is literally, get a Josh Allen that's your quarterback, take the zero for his bye week, correct and then and then kind of hope that he's just giving you those spiked weeks week in and week out. And then obviously you can get an extra wide receiver, tight end, running back, et cetera. What's your take on that? And then I also want to sort of flip that and say, what's your take on double elite quarterback? So we'll say getting maybe two of the top eight guys you're getting, you know, putting like Kyler in that discussion.

00:54:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, on this topic, I'd also like to bring up the single elite tight end because I often hear them discuss together, and I feel like they're very different things. When you're talking about a half point PPR website, quarterback points are just mathematically worth more than a PPR website, right, So like if a quarterback puts up forty on a half point PPR website, they're making up a greater percentage of your score than on a PPR website. Because the wide receivers, the running backs, they strictly score less, right, So that generally draws me towards wanting elite qbs on underdog right. Single elite quarterback is not something I purposely do a lot of the times. It doesn't mean I never do it, and if I were to do it, it's almost always going to be with Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, two guys who I think both have extremely high floors and high ceilings. A guy like Lamar Jackson, I think is more like a veteran basketball quarterback where he actually has like kind of a low floor when the running backs steal all his touchdowns in close right, Whereas Josh Allen and Hurts kind of like are their goal linebacks?

00:55:15
Speaker 1: Honest?

00:55:15
Speaker 3: I mean I have to mention that my bestball Mania two team essentially was a single QB team because it was Josh Allen and Justin Fields, and that year Fields like barely played and when you look at like on Josh Allen's by, Fields contributed like two point seven points and then never hit the lineup any other week. Crazy, right, So it was just a Josh Allen team.

00:55:39
Speaker 4: So it's not something I do a lot. Why would you do it?

00:55:41
Speaker 3: Obviously you would do it to get yourself extra bullets at running back, wide receiver, tight end where you can separate, right, And like the whole thesis is qbs rarely separate. Where you know, if a quarterback puts up forty points, okay separating, But in the weeks where quarterbacks put up twenty five to fifteen, even thirty to twenty, you can make up the gap, right, Like when I won with Josh Allen, he scored two rushing touchdowns against the Falcons, so I had like twenty four QB points. Joe Burrow put up thirty five. It didn't matter. I still made up the gap because I had the Rashad Pennies, the a Monra, the Jamar Chase. Like I knutted out at the skill positions more so single league QB rarely, but you know, I think it's okay to do occasionally you just eat the zero. Still, you know, why would you want a second quarterback just because you want low owned players? Right? Because you know, like when Karin won, he had Daniel Jones and Tom Brady, and funny enough they both like were QB one and two. One of them was really low owned though, right, so like in the year where like you know, I can't remember which one was the higher owned one, but in the year where the higher own one does not, you know, score well, and he has this low owned guy who puts up thirty five points. Okay, now he's separating a little bit from the field. A single elite tight end is something I will never ever do because tight ends are you know, they're dependent on touchdowns. And so just thinking about how the playoff pods work and how ownership really condenses on players who score well. Like in BBM two, Mark Andrews had a great season, had a great Week sixteen, and so all of a sudden, Mark Andrews was like fifty percent owned in the finals, right, so you would argue that you would want anyone else and my Noah fan five percent owned score two touchdowns with Drew locket in lock you know, so like you want like a low owned tight end who falls to the end zone twice is extremely valuable and you're separating from the field to potentially win life changing money.

00:57:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So essentially quarterbacks are you're going to see a wider distribution of the number of quarterbacks and the different quarterback that are in the final, right, versus at tight end. You could get fifty percent Mark Andrews because their spiked weeks can be so enormous in the in the playoff weeks that it really carries that team. Makes a lot of sense. So if you're going with an elite quarterback, let's say you get Josh Allen, say you get Jalen Hurts and you do get a second quarterback, are you almost always just like throwing a dart with that site like Bryce Young or someone random like that, or Baker Mayfield or Gino or someone and not investing. You know, obviously you could invest in another elite quarterback, but even like a middle Let's say, let's say a higher end QB two, like a Caleb Williams or like a Tua or Trevor Lawrence or something like that. Are you more inclined to just wait throw that seventeenth round dart on a Bryce Young or would you go with a Tua or a Trevor Lawrence.

00:58:49
Speaker 3: In general, I think it's, you know, really logical that if you're going to spend the capitol on an elite quarterback, you should be waiting on your QB two. You know, the year I won with Josh Allen, my QB two was fields that actually was like a mid round pick, that was like a tenth and eleventh round pick. My five five five team that won with Mahomes. My QB two was Gino Smith unstacked in the twentieth round of DK. You know, so like that was like I'm I got my guy, I'm waiting and Gino Smith actually had a great year that year. It doesn't mean I never do, you know, double elite QB teams. If I am gonna do something crazy like a Josh Allen Hurts team, right, I'd rather do it early in the draft cycle, when ADPs can be really wrong, just because you know, all I was equel Sure, I'd love to have two elite qbs if I'm hitting the right values that running back, wide receiver, and tight end. But we just don't, you know, like, yes, you should be waiting, but you know, you got to have some Josh Allen Jaden Daniels teams. I've done like a Josh Allen Brock Purty team just because like they can they can ping pong, and you know, if you can hit the right guys at running back and wide receiver in the later rounds, you can make up for.

01:00:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes total sense. In the early rounds, are you more frequently going with or without a running back? Let's say, through the first three rounds, do you your does your typical team build have a running back or not have a running back this year?

01:00:20
Speaker 4: Without one?

01:00:21
Speaker 3: On underdog right, Like, wide receiver prices are more expensive than ever before, sometimes by like twenty five percent per round. And you know, like I recently wrote up all of the running backs from like rounds eight to twenty, and I just feel you can more consistently fine league winning running backs, you know, just because I mean a some ambiguous situations are being kept cheap and B we know that if a starter tears at acl you know how good does the rby two need to be to give you points? Whereat if Tyreek Hill gets hurt, you know, Okay, you can have all the opportunity in the world. You're not going to be Tyreek Hill, you know, like the model. Sure, but you know, is Odell going to turn back the clock and all of a sudden be you know, Tyreek Probably not right. So it's a position that just depends on more talent wide receiver. So definitely I'm starting my draft way more often without a running back.

01:01:22
Speaker 1: It also feels like some of the running backs this year, man, I mean, you know we talked about a Chan. I feel like the line is like around a Chan, Like I'll get a Chan when he drops, you know, into that third round area because I know that he will, and drafts that I do, so I don't need to necessarily force it. But you can poke holes in so many of these running backs like arguments, right, Like you look at Derrick Henry, Okay, he's old and we know that he's shown some some wear down. And then you look at Josh Jacobs, Okay, split backfields with Matt Lafleur and Marshawn Lloyd. Okay, Isaiah Pachecko, what if they don't give Pachecko the receiving work that he got down the stretch last year. Okay, Rashad White, all right, well he hasn't been very fit on the ground. What if Bucky Irving steps in season. You can make arguments against a lot of those guys. Whereas a wide receiver, yeah, you can make the arguments. But at the same time, we know that we need these wide receivers, and so even if they don't necessarily live up to the hype and live up to expectation, they can still be really beneficial to your lineup. Whereas it feels like the running backs need to hit, you know, like the running backs you're drafting the first five rounds almost need to hit because the opportunity cost and not getting those wide receivers. This has become so immense. I've been getting this the question about like like people who are drafting on Underdog, and you know, they're listening to this podcast and they're getting more and more into it, which is awesome, and they just they're they're like, why why can't I get Isaiah Pachecko in round five, and it's like, Okay, I don't mind that as a value every single time, but like you got to get over the idea that this is your normal home league, because it's not. Pachecko's going to go in round two in your home league this year. You know, it's it's just that's that's you know, Josh Jacobs will be a second round pick in your neighborhood league. But that's just not what's going on here. And you can sit back and say, well, this isn't good value, This isn't good value. Okay, what are you going to do about it? Because people are still going to be drafting wide receivers and you're gonna be screwed if you don't if you don't lean into that. So it's good to hear that that you've also been, you know, going down that wide receiver heavy pat Yeah.

01:03:16
Speaker 3: And coupled with that, you know, is like who can fall around Pacheck? Who can fall around right Like Pacheco goes in the fourth lot, but occasionally he'll be there in the fifth where you can get a unique you know, uh, you know, even Amari Cooper, he's not falling around right. Yea even Christian Kirk he's not falling a full round, right, even George Dickens right, like he's not going to be there in the sixth ever on underdog.

01:03:38
Speaker 4: Right.

01:03:40
Speaker 3: So as far as like getting a unique team, like I like some I'll take some of these guys sometimes.

01:03:45
Speaker 4: I like taking Kyrien.

01:03:46
Speaker 3: Williams sometimes, you know, especially in the third round where what if they play Blake Korm? What if play Korm is a little tanks big sbs, Right, I've seen the league winning ability from him. I think he's good. But I just know that in general, I like a lot of the running backs in that eighth, ninth, tenth round, eleventh round, right, Like we have like whole backfields who don't get drafted there to really good teams.

01:04:09
Speaker 1: I know. It's crazy, like like like talk about I've been talking about ambiguous backfields for years and years, right, and there's there are so many of them this year that we haven't really gotten in the past. Slash. A lot of those situations are in really favorable offenses, like like really intriguing ones where you can get a little bit of both, Like you can get both, you can get some Zach Moss and some Chase Brown like you can get pieces of these backfields really really easily. I mean, whether it's Arizona, who I think is we should be more bullish on just in general from an offensive standpoint, or or look at what's going on in Pittsburgh and you know Arthur Smith being there and them going to be more run heavy. So I agree, it's just the drafts set up. But when you look at your team at the end of every draft, and I know that this is just a field based thing and it's not necessarily like this is how things are going to go down or anything like that, But when you look at your team that was more zero RB after the fact, you feel a lot better about that team, Like, like just just from a structural standpoint, from just what it looks like in the players that you got, you just feel better about that squad. Because with zero RB, if everyone in your league is going zero RB, you can't just kind of do the opposite of that. It's not really that possible because people aren't they're not stopping with their wide receiver drafting, like they're not done after round four and then you can gobble up all this value in round five, six, and seven. They're still drafting wide receivers because they're gonna have eight or nine of them on their roster.

01:05:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.

01:05:34
Speaker 3: On with any extreme strategy like zero RB or heavy RB, you can get burned by a room, but far more often when you start with, you know, five wide receivers, six wide receivers, you're not gonna feel that terrible.

01:05:49
Speaker 4: About your running back room. Every once in a.

01:05:51
Speaker 3: While you'll find a running back heavy room where one dude's like taking eight for some reason, and you're like, oh, great, now, I gotta like Malray Davis is my ar too, you know. Yeah, But you know when like I on stream the other day, I started with like Kirn Bijeon and you know, in the third round, I was planning to the wide receiver and then all of a sudden, like Pickens Cooper kirk All go on the inside of the three fourth turn, and I'm like, whatever, okay, I'm taking Etn who I like a lot, you know, and I'm and my wide receiver room is like, you know.

01:06:25
Speaker 4: Maybe it works out, but yeah, but probably not.

01:06:29
Speaker 1: Yeah right right, And You're like, yeah, well, That's the other thing that I've noticed too, is that, like, especially if you are newer to h best ball an Underdog in particular, is that when running back value does fall and you've already invested in running back, your inclination is to say, well, I'm just gonna keep getting these running backs. Is the values there. You gotta stop, like you gotta really hold yourself back and just pinch your nose and say, all right, I'm gonna get Tank Dell in the mid to late third instead of the mid instead of the mid fourth, because this is the way this room is going, and I can't fall behind, because when I fall behind, I'm absolutely screwed. And so you're gonna lose a little bit of value wide receiver. But I do think that's been an important lesson for me at least, you know, doing more and more of these drafts is like, you can't fall behind, man, Like you just can't fall behind a wide receiver. You're gonna hate your team after the fact. So Underdog came out with the marathon last week, which is a different kind of format. You know, we've been talking about these contests with playoffs, where you know you're trying to have that weekly upside in week fifteen, sixteen seventeen to advance and then obviously win the thing. But the Marathon is a is a week one to seventeen cumulative event, so you're just trying to draft the best team, get the most points during the regular season, and win. So my question to you is with these drafts, number one, have you been doing them? But also number two, how would your strategy change from the playoff formats to then thinking about weeks one to seventeen.

01:07:52
Speaker 4: Yeah.

01:07:52
Speaker 3: I really like that Underdog segmented their tournaments this year, where last year was combined. Yeah, you know, and it was just too much of the prize pool to the regular season versus the playoff weeks. So you know, the Marathon, as you said, is just total points weeks one through seventeen.

01:08:08
Speaker 4: I think it can be.

01:08:09
Speaker 3: Argued it's a little bit of a less strategic format because it's kind of like if you don't get the best players, you lose, you know, like saying you're choosing between Pacheco and Josh Jacobs and one of them finishes as QB one, I mean RB one and the other one is RB ten. Is like, Okay, how much strategy was that that you just got the right player there? Right? But you know, digging in, I would say that unique combos at the top of the draft are even more valuable, right because we know that the market drafts by ADP at the top of they just do. Right, where Ceedee Lamb and A Monroe were combined twenty percent of the time last year, Now it worked, it worked in Week seventeen as well.

01:08:49
Speaker 4: Right, they both had great weeks.

01:08:51
Speaker 3: But when you looked at Ceedee Lamb with a guy who went at the two three turn, right, because Ceede Lamb was a back of the first like a guy like Crystal Lave, that was all of a sudden down to like less than one percent. Right, So I think you unique combo where both players score super Well, say you start your drafts at the one to turn with I you can Nico Collins right, all of a sudden, no one has that. You know, they're not doing that, they're not combined, and I have three four players. You've really given your chance to just not compete with that many people where you're trying to score the most points. I would also say that you need to have the mentality if I need to beat every single person that drafts a team, I need to beat my room where you like in my high stakes draft sometimes where I'm like pushing my quarterback. Sometimes I notice that these guys who don't need these quarterbacks take my quarterbacks unstacked last year just because they're like, well, I don't want this guy to get the team. I know he won last year. They're kind of hurting themselves a little bit, but they're really hurting me right where that should not enter your brain at all. You should not spit draft at all, because if you're doing anything to make your team suboptimal, you're just you're not gonna win. Player takes are obviously super important. So if you have a feeling out of players like really mispriced or could be RB one late rounds and you know, top five running back, you got to get them. And then I think construction would generally pull you towards zero RB, where it used to be thought that like, oh, probably you want to start with two rbs or at least one RB. But I think the teams that have really smashed from a total points perspective the past couple of years are teams that have started zero RB and just hit the right late.

01:10:35
Speaker 4: Round running backs. And the last thing I'd say is you.

01:10:38
Speaker 3: Cannot get buried at any position. So even like you know, tight end. That can work in playoff formats where you just get the right guys to fall in the end zone. But if you're giving up like two hundred points at the tight end position, you're probably not going to finish as the top scoring team.

01:10:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you basically need the late round tight end that ends up hitting, or just go with the elite tight end where you have a better feeling about them actually producing. Do you think that so obviously you want to stack teams right to get that weekly upside and such. Do you think there's any validity because obviously with like the playoff contest, we're trying to stack week seven, we're trying to game stack in week seventeen. We're trying to get that correlation to get that upside in that singular playoff week. I've seen some takes out there about stacking like within divisions, for instance, because you know that those teams will be playing each other multiple times, and if those games blow up, then you're getting those really really big spiked weeks in those individual weeks. Do you think there's some validity to that?

01:11:36
Speaker 3: I do, right, I mean, stacking doesn't necessarily raise our chances to get a ninety nine percentile outcome, which like we might need, but it raises your chances of getting like a top ninety percent outcome. So yeah, like if you stack a division that you think is undervalued, I think that can pay off. Some people ask if stacking is as important in all points contest, and I would say that in general yes, because you're still you need to think about it as like a weekly game where if Nico Collins goes for thirty, probably CJ. Stroud is having a good week, so it raises your chances of like getting you know, needing to get less things right. But there are certain quarterbacks I would say, Purdy Stroud, Caleb Williams where if they really were huge ADP values, I would take them on stack just because with those offenses, I feel like they could support four guys and maybe no one no one separates where you really need to have that wide receiver. But in general, you want to be stacking just you know, to raise your chances of getting something right each week.

01:12:42
Speaker 1: Speaking of stacks, every draft people have felt it where they don't get the stacks they want, someone snipes them and they're looking for some cheap stacks late, are there any cheap stacks that you've seemed to be gravitated towards and go to in your drafts.

01:12:55
Speaker 3: Thus far, are you asking more of getting a whole stack late or you're asking more of getting a quarterback late, because.

01:13:03
Speaker 1: Let's just say, let's just say yeah, yeah, let's just say a quarterback and maybe one of his pass catchers, like not nothing super super heavy, but just something that you get a little correlation. You can get a late wide receiver and then pair him with a late quarterback just to get a little bit more of that correlation in your lineup.

01:13:18
Speaker 4: Definitely, yeah.

01:13:19
Speaker 3: I mean last year, one of the reasons I had a lot of CJ. Stroud is because you know, I don't watch college ball, and when a guy goes in the in the first round the NFL Draft, I'm gonna close my eyes and take that guy when he's literally the last quarterback drafted in best ball. So like I was, you know, I was like, great, this guy went to overall. He is here in the eighteenth round. Welcome CJ.

01:13:41
Speaker 4: Stroud.

01:13:43
Speaker 3: So this year it's Drake May and the Patriots wide receivers. Last year, I you know, I was the one saying what are we doing? Like why who are these people talking about who are saying the Patriots could be feisty. I did not feel that way at all with Mac Jones and Devonte Parker and co. I thought this was like an abysmal team. I don't feel the same way at all this year. Right, the Patriots, they drafted Drake May, they drafted two wide receivers. You know, they added some alignment. They're trying to support him to be successful. So Drake May and any of the Patriots wide receivers like even Kenrick Bourne, even kJ Osborne, We're not really sure. And no Jujuice ms Hochuster who I mean. I guess he's a little healthier this year. But primarily Jalen Polk and Javon Baker. Right, the rookies are the ones that I feel have the highest up side Daniel Jones and the Giants wide receivers. I think is interesting where you can you can literally get Daniel Jones, Jalen Hyatt, Darius Slayton, who's always good and always free, you know something like that.

01:14:44
Speaker 4: Even a bo Nicks and the Josh Reynolds.

01:14:46
Speaker 3: I've done sometimes right where Okay, bo Nix is probably not the best guy. He had a really low coll of j A. Dot Right, he's probably a checked down guy. It's rumored not a lot of teams had him as like a first round quarterback whatever. He went the first roundings with Sean Payton. Let's end our drafts with some of these and then you know, like like sometimes like Rogers falls to like the sixteenth round right like him, and like Tyler Conklin is like sounds great to me, Like I think like Rogers could for sure smash this year on what Vegas thinks is a good team. And if he's healthy, why couldn't he, like Son run a bunch of touchdowns?

01:15:24
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like those calls. I really like the New England call. The other thing with Drake May that I feel like people just are ignoring is he runs the ball like he has rushing upside too, So he's not only not only can you get these pieces late, like Jalen Polk's been rising a little bit, I'm still drafting him for the most part, like where like I still think he's fine to get, but you can get Tomario Douglas, Javon Baker, kJ Osborne like you said late in Kendrick Bourne, and then just get Drake May and you know it's it's you might have gotten some chargers earlier on in the draft. It's a really ugly game on paper, but who knows what happens, you know in week seventeen when everything goes down. Last question for you, what player ADPs either make no sense to you in a in a favorable way, like you think that they're way way undervalued or they're just way way overvalued.

01:16:11
Speaker 3: Which one you want to do first? You want to do the too expensive or the too cheap list.

01:16:15
Speaker 1: Let's do two. Let's do the two cheap guys the values right now?

01:16:18
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm giving you players at each position. Here is what a QBRB wide out, tight end for quarterback. I really think there's like three guys that stick out as too cheap. I'd say Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, and Jaden Daniels. Right, Let's do Jaden Daniels first, because as the guy who had like thirty percent plus Anthony Richardson last year, I don't get it, like the market saw him play, saw him be great, he got hurt, and they're like great fifth round pick right like we saw it, and then they have a better prospect probably who's going to run the ball. Yeah, he's not as big, He's probably not going to be as much of a goal line back. And they're like, yeah, but rookie tenth round right, Yeah, Like I don't get it.

01:17:03
Speaker 4: Herbert.

01:17:05
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe they are going to be run heavy, but I mean I legitimately think Herbert is a top five real life NFL quarterback. I am not taking guys like Jared Goff over Herbert, you know, like, yeah, okay, if I have a Monrol, yes I'm going to stack it instead. But like, I just believe in Herbert's ability to support, you know, a very serviceable offense.

01:17:27
Speaker 4: And then Trevor Lawrence.

01:17:29
Speaker 3: I like what the Jags did, and I think people are really underrating how bad the Jags O line was last year and how unlucky Trevor was with like Calvin Ridley where I mean they legitimately could have had like eight more touchdowns if the NFL field was like five inches wider.

01:17:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I love jag stacks right now because it's really easy to do too. Like it's not like if you just get one of those guys, you know, you could easily just where they're lined up in the draft from an ADP perspective and where they fall and stuff. It's easy to get a jag stack at the end of the day.

01:18:00
Speaker 3: Absolutely on the too cheap list. I'll give both the Bengals running backs Zach Moss and Chase Brown. You mentioned them earlier, but I mean talk about finding league winners, Like, I think Moss has the edge at being the goal line back if Chase Brown were to become the one A though he's an athletic freak, where like you know, unlimited upside there, So taking stabs at A like I'm I'm in on the offense being good for the Bengals sure, Like I think Joe Burrow being in the nineties is kind of insane too where he falls, So Chase Brown Zack Moss, try to leave your draft with at least one, if not both, you know, like taking both is definitely fine to me. At wide receiver, I'll give a rookie trio of Jalen Polk. You mentioned Ricky Pearsall and Jermaine Burton. With Pearsall, I just believe he's good first round pick, right Like you know, we know that ambiguous situations gives the market fear. They're fearful that he won't see the field, and I just think that he's he's good enough, he's gonna find a way. Jalen Polk, you know, high second round pick. Yeah, it's rumored the Patriots wanted one of Keon Coleman or Xavier Leaguette and so maybe they had to settle, but still right, like I believe in Drake May's ability as a top three quarterback who some had his QB two or higher and so like him. And then Jermaine Burton attached the Bengals again where he's got to give you a lot more than Tyler Tyler Boyd did even with the third round capital and at tight end. I like Jake Ferguson as as a potent, Like you know, you look at the Cowboys, they didn't really add anyone. He could easily be their second target. I think he has a really high individual week upside, and there's really not that much different between him and in some of the Titans going higher than him. Like I love dalonkin Kate, but it's conce evable that Ferguson scores similar to him.

01:20:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, he's a he's a definite Dalton Kinkaid arbitrage play where like you're drafting Dalton Kincaid right now, mostly from a volume perspective, in the fact that there's a lot of ambiguity going on around him. But that's pretty similar to Jake Ferguson, where it's just Ceedee Lamb and then Ferguson's just kind of sitting there. So I totally agree with that.

01:20:19
Speaker 3: On the two expensive list, you know these like the price has changed a lot, but a quarterback, I went with Baker Mayfield just because he was like in the one fifties, and it's because while he had a good year, you know, he gave you a bunch of like twenty point weeks, he has almost no ability to win you a week, right, where like you know, he's almost never giving you to those thirty points. I think he literally did it once he scored a bunch of twenty point weeks, right, But like you can find twenty point weeks, you can find fifteen point weeks for free. So I don't I don't get paying for Mayfield, Like, okay, if you have Mike Evans, you have Chris Godwin, sure, but you know, like I'd almost rather just have Drake may even even with those pieces and just hope that. You know, Drake May mentioned this rushing ability just seems to have more upside at running back. I went with Nick Chubb.

01:21:15
Speaker 1: Yeah I could, Yeah, I agree there where.

01:21:18
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I don't really know what to do here, but the dude had a gruesome injury. He had his he's old, his uh he had He offers almost zero from a pass catching ability. They you know, he got his ACL reconstructed in November, so it's not like he got hurt early, but then they retouched them up in November. Like, and there's a lot of guys around his price who I think also offer leak winning upside who are not have all these questions. So I'm you know, I'm just comfortable fading him. I like betting on.

01:21:55
Speaker 4: The other guys.

01:21:55
Speaker 3: I think you can read in the Deontay Foreman signing in a couple ways. You could say, I mean, Deontay Foreman's replaceable, right, like he's just going to be there to start the year and then you know, Nick Chubb will come and everything will be gravy. You could also say that Deontay Foreman weighs two hundred and thirty three pounds. You know, Kareem Hunt was the goal line back last year. It's going to be the Ford and Foreman show, and Nick chubb Is is not going to be a part of the equation this year, so I'm.

01:22:24
Speaker 4: Passing on him right now.

01:22:26
Speaker 3: At wide out, I went with George Pickens and Jordan Addison, which you know, I'm sure some people are, you know, it's a little bit of hot take here. With Jordan Addison. It's that you know, maybe JJ McCarthy is super good, but we're paying for that right now right where I just don't know if he's going to be able to support, you know, like I think people are underrating how good Kirk Cousins was for Jordan Addison and you know, the second.

01:22:56
Speaker 4: Year wide receiver.

01:22:56
Speaker 3: I want to bet on these guys, but I don't want to bet on them when they's super expensive. And like Jordan Adison's son ran from a touchdown perspective, like the forty nine ers guy falling down and Kirk Cousin's hitting that deep shot, Like, I just don't know if that's gonna be the same thing. Jefferson's gonna be target dominant.

01:23:12
Speaker 4: If TJ.

01:23:13
Speaker 3: Hockinson returns, He's like way more of a threat for targets than you know, like DeAndre Hopkins is available full round after Jordan Addison, and it's not that dissimilar as a bet. So I'm not saying don't draft Jordan Addison, but I don't love it in the in the sixth round like he's going with Pickens. I'm just generally of the mind of like a top down offense type of guy, and okay, it Fields is out there, I think is maybe it's actually exciting for Pickens because you know, you look at DJ Moore, you look what he did where Fields wasn't that great. He has really high individual week upside, but he's just like he's not He's not a separator, you know, he like I just don't genuinely like to bet on these non separator expensive wide receivers like I I'd rather take a guy like Christian Kirk, who I think Trevor could throw for way more touchdowns than the Steelers offense.

01:24:06
Speaker 4: And at tight end. On the two expensive lists, I went with t J. Howkinson. I mean, what are we doing here? The dude got really hurt late in the year, Like, what are we doing when?

01:24:15
Speaker 1: See when's he gonna play like Week twelve at best? Right, Like it's like, like, I agree, it was. It's bizarre that he has had and it's kind of I mean, I know that it hasn't been it was higher before, but it's still pretty high. His adp uh yeah, I mean I'm with you there with hot Well.

01:24:32
Speaker 4: In the like, and I drafted a lot of T. J. Hawkinson last year.

01:24:35
Speaker 3: I was the guy who's been like this guy could be tight on one and that was right kind of you know, kind of due to injuries. But I had to do with a little bit with Kirk. But you know, even as he falls, he falls into the range where it's like now you want to take running backs and it's like I don't want to carry a zero for twelve weeks for questionable upside with the JJ McCarthy offense, you know, like yeah, you know, like this is a six and a half win Vegas team like that, that's not it's not the best.

01:25:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense, makes total sense. The Jordan Addison thing too, I've only gotten him in game stacks like I'm if I'm leaning Green Bay or something like that, and like I just want that game because I think I think that game could be fun, you know, Late in the season. But yeah, I mean, like you look at Addison's secondary numbers last year, really not that strong. I mean, he wasn't like horrible, but he's just a it was a pretty like just an above average kind of rookie season where I think a lot of the perception of Addison in both the Dynasty and redraft space has been it's skewed by touchdowns and how he was just able to score them last year and be you know, helpful from that perspective, Liam, this was awesome, man. I think a lot of people are will will get a lot from this discussion. Can you let everyone know where where they can find you and what you're up to?

01:25:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on on YouTube. You can just type in Leam Murphy. Might have to add fantasy football or something like that. And uh, I write best ball work at beatbestball dot com recently launched.

01:25:57
Speaker 1: That awesome, awesome stuff. You can obviously check out all my stuff over on lateround dot com. As always, everyone, thank you so much for tuning