Toxins, Biofilms, and Explant Surgery: Reclaiming Health After Breast Implant Illness With Dr. Landon Pryor

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<v SPEAKER_00>Dr.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Landon Pryor, a board-certified plastic surgeon.

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<v SPEAKER_00>What sets him apart isn't the scalpel.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He is redefining healing for women suffering from breast implant illness, bringing science, empathy, and full body restoration to the forefront.

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<v SPEAKER_01>At his state-of-the-art facility, Pryor Health, Dr.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Pryor helps women reclaim their health and identity.

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<v SPEAKER_04>One explant surgery at a time.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Could something called BII be the reason why you don't feel well, meaning fatigue, brain fog, got problems, autoimmune, bizarre stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_04>What is BII?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Could you have it?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Oh, the answer is, well, maybe if you have breast implants, okay, because it's called breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And I'm telling you, this is all the rage in a maybe bad way right now, but I'm here with the expert, Dr.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Landon Pryor.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Thank you for being here.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And you are one of the top in the world, I would say.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Thank you.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I appreciate that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And it's great to be here with you.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Thank you.

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<v SPEAKER_04>This is this is a controversial subject.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And by the way, y'all are gonna want to share this because I would say everybody watching this right now has friends with breast implants, family members, loved ones.

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<v SPEAKER_04>You have to hear this show because we've done some other interviews together.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And I I can tell you, I have a desire to bring this to the world, this message.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You and me both.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_02>That's an important message that's not being talked about enough.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Absolutely.

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<v SPEAKER_04>People, I just as I started this show here, just people unknowingly have a lot of symptoms that are associated with breast implants and they're clueless, they're unknowing to them.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And you know, that breaks my heart.

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<v SPEAKER_04>I know this is controversial because um breast implants become an identity thing.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And I don't say that in any negative way, that this is human, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>And taking them out or even considering that it could be why you have fatigue as an example, more pain, et cetera.

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<v SPEAKER_04>That is a big, big emotional topic for people.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Would you agree?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, women get breast implants for a very specific reason.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They're usually self-conscious for whatever reason about the appearance of their body.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They want to feel better, they want to feel more confident, so they get implants to try to solve that problem.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um, but a lot of times what they're not told about is the risks related to breast implant illness, which is what we want to talk about.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It's one thing to make a decision to get breast implants knowing that there's these potential risks, so that if down the road you develop symptoms, um, you know, to get treated.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Problem that's happening, uh, at least in this day and age, fortunately, it's getting better as people are becoming more and more aware of breast implant illness because of uh awareness that you're bringing, uh, people like me and people on social media and on the internet that are able to communicate now about their experiences with breast implants.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But you know, even five, 10 years ago, this was something that nobody was talking about.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And that wasn't really part of the uh discussion when patients would come in and get breast implants.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And that's really what uh prompted me to become more of an advocate myself for women that are getting breast implants or women that have breast implants, because, like we'll talk about in my own journey from pain, pain to purpose.

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<v SPEAKER_03>We're going there.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, it's it really just, like you said, broke my heart to see patients that were suffering unnecessarily, that have been had uh symptoms sometimes for years or decades, and they they knew nothing about breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Nobody talked to them about it.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They would go to their doctors, get tests done, everything came back negative.

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<v SPEAKER_02>They were told, and we'll we'll talk about all the different uh, you know, typical things that they hear, but you know, generally they end up in my office after, you know, many years of suffering.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And as a last resort, they're finally learning about breast implants and have to come to the realization that they may need to get their breast implants out to feel better.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And that's emotional.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Look, we're gonna talk about everything from why not everybody?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Why are some people sick, some people not?

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<v SPEAKER_04>What's the leg?

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<v SPEAKER_04>What's the difference?

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<v SPEAKER_04>What's about silicone?

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<v SPEAKER_04>What about saline?

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<v SPEAKER_04>We're gonna talk about all that in a minute.

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<v SPEAKER_04>But I want to back up a second.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Um, just I want for people to know who you are, because for someone to make a jump to putting breast implants into taking them out, there has to be a story around that.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Of course, there is.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, I went through a very traditional medical education process.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I went to college, went to medical school, went to residency.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I did five years of uh general surgery and plastic surgery or very typical plastic surgery.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Why did you decide to be a plastic surgeon?

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<v SPEAKER_04>What was that?

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<v SPEAKER_04>How did you get there?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, that's a really good question.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So I went to medical school with the intention of, you know, wanting to help people.

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<v SPEAKER_02>That was always my kind of core belief and always wanting to uh contribute to the best way that I could uh to humanity.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And to me, that was through, you know, practicing medicine.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And then as I got into uh the medical field, I realized that surgery was much more of a field that resonated with me.

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<v SPEAKER_02>It was very results-oriented, it was technically challenging.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um I thought that, you know, specifically plastic surgery gave me the ability not only to help patients functionally improve, but also improve their quality of life, which was a lot of what drove me into plastic surgery.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I really um was grateful for the opportunity to work with patients and have them actually feel better.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So, really, my my training in plastic surgery was, you know, it had a foundation in reconstructive plastic surgery, which uh we call, you know, helping patients with form and function.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And so I was trained to put breast implants in like most plastic surgeons are in residency.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I started in residency in uh 2002, and this is uh actually during the uh breast implant moratorium, and it was towards the tail end of my residency, and what what that means is silicone implants were off the market for a period of time because concerns of breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And this was what, 2002 you're saying?

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<v SPEAKER_02>So I started residency in 2002.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I started in the middle of the day.

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<v SPEAKER_02>1991.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Oh and they were off the market until about 2007.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, see, I didn't even know that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So for a long time they were off the market.

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<v SPEAKER_02>This was the whole Connie Chung thing, and she brought some awareness to breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>This has been going on for decades.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, my breast implant illness advocate, Laura Bowden, uh, she's been an advocate since the 90s uh for women with BII.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, we can talk about that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>She was on Oprah back in the 90s, uh, talking with the CEO of Dow Horning at the time.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So this is not anything new, it just kind of keeps coming back in different forms.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And now that you know the social media has really catapulted the visibility of BII uh, you know, much more into the lay public space, it's becoming something that people can no longer uh ignore.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um but to answer your question, I was trained uh like most plastic surgeons on how to do a breast augmentation and that you know implants were safe.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um, so you know, I don't think anybody's intentionally doing anything nefarious or putting implants in with the perception that um they're causing any kind of harm.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But I think, you know, as science gets better and we get more information, you know, to know better is to do better.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And in my own experience, after having put implants in, once I started in practice in 2009 for for a few years, um, I became interested in the you know, this smaller space at that time of breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And it was really specifically a patient that came in to see me that uh we did a appropriate, you know, uh capsulectomy implant removal.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And like, like, like a miracle, she got better after surgery.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I'm like, wow, this is like there's there's really something here.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, we we we can't we can't uh deny what we're seeing as far as the outcomes with these patients.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And then that really kind of just organically grew, and I saw more and more patients with uh breast implant illness that came to see me for proper removal.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And, you know, patient after patient I saw get better after removing their implants.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh so much so that, you know, around that time in 2018, I was invited to uh speak at a documentary that was being filmed in the suburbs.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And they reached out to a number of plastic surgeons, actually, I think all the plastic surgeons in Illinois to come and speak at that event.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I was the only one that showed up.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And uh, you know, in preparation for that, um, and you know, even to today, I, you know, made sure I understood everything about breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So I really went on a deep dive to understand, you know, the science behind it, uh, you know, what's true, what's not true, you know, what are the the world uh leaders saying about breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And um, you know, hearing obviously the stories from my patients and now from you know these advocates, uh Laura specifically, and her uh friends and colleagues in the X-Plant space who have been dealing with breast implant illness now for 30 years.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, you know, she brought me like this bag of all this old information that she had from the 90s and the 2000s of EHS tapes and articles and you know, all these old.

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<v SPEAKER_04>You know, it's old when.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_02>All these old resources.

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<v SPEAKER_04>At least it wasn't a cassette rear.

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<v SPEAKER_02>We we joke about it all the time.

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<v SPEAKER_02>She literally brought me like a duffel bag full of information.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I said, give me everything you have about breast implant illness.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I really want to dig into this and understand it uh from a scientific perspective.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And so I did that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And, you know, really from that point on, and with uh with Laura's help as an advocate in this space, we really built up this explant practice.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And, you know, it wasn't too long after that that, you know, I came to the own personal conclusion that, you know, I'm a physician, I've taken an oath, obviously do no harm.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I I personally just was not comfortable continuing to put implants in because um, you know, there's the possibility that these patients could be getting sick after surgery.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I just, to me, it wasn't worth, you know, doing that.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I just I couldn't I couldn't sleep at night.

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<v SPEAKER_04>I I run from a little different philosophy in that.

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<v SPEAKER_04>I think, look, I've seen this over the years.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Anything in the body that's absolutely not from the body eventually be goes bad, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Absolutely.

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<v SPEAKER_04>It just takes some people, it might take you know 10 years, 20, 30 years.

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<v SPEAKER_04>But I've I've seen this again and again.

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<v SPEAKER_04>So it's a matter of the body being healthy enough to adapt to that stress because it's a stress.

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<v SPEAKER_04>It's not your opinion, my opinion, or anyone else.

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<v SPEAKER_04>You put something foreign in like that, it is a stress.

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<v SPEAKER_04>It's a matter of if your body's adapting or not.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And that's the answer to the question of why isn't anybody, everybody, sick with breast implants?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Well, right now they're adapting.

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<v SPEAKER_04>I've dealt with the same thing for silver fillings, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>That made me sick that contained 50% of mercury.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Well, my husband, my cousin has them in.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Why aren't they sick?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Well, look, there's leech mercury into the brain 24-7, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>So, you know, when will that happen is the question.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And I feel this is the same subject.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Absolutely.

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<v SPEAKER_02>There's an article that was published in 2011.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um, and I was actually just on a call with this, you know, thought leader who is overseas talking about breast implant illness specifically, but he was a lead author in an article on you probably familiar with Asia, autoimmune inflammatory condition induced by adjuvants.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And so specifically in that article, and this goes back, you know, 14 years, you know, they're talking about breast implant illness and other um adjuvants that, including, you know, vaccines and all types of things.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Those are things that just excite the immune system.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Matter of fact, they're in vaccines.

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<v SPEAKER_04>It's they're designed to excite the city.

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<v SPEAKER_04>That's what it's for, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, it's it's designed to create this inflammatory process in the immune system.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And the example I like to tell patients is, you know, I can do the exact same surgery on two patients.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Somebody develops a keloid and somebody else has an imperceptible scar.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Why?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Well, it's a lot of factors.

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<v SPEAKER_02>You know, obviously people have certain genetic predispositions to developing hypertrophic scars from inflammatory immune responses, but also um lifestyle factors, epigenetic factors, like I'm sure we'll talk about, you know, play a role as well.

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<v SPEAKER_02>So um it's not all people are created equal.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Some people are more inclined to get breast implant illness depending on their bucket, as you like to say, their environmental factors, chemical, physical, emotional stressors, microbiome, DNA, it all plays together.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And I think it's all just this new science that's coming out that you're helping to uh raise awareness about you and and others uh that I follow and learn from.

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<v SPEAKER_02>And uh, you know, to me at this point in 2025, you know, we're seeing what's happening with the new administration, with these Maha reports coming out, understanding, you know, really, in my opinion, you know, how how the world's working, you know, where there's there's toxins coming into our bodies from all over the place, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>Our food, our water, our air, our products.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, all the things that you talk about.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And this is one of the things I like to say like, you know, here's our bucket, they're filling, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>And when you're as filled as that, uh my team over here is going, oh my God, stop.

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<v SPEAKER_04>But you see, it doesn't take much stress to make that overflow, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>And I believe the number one thing that will determine if someone does get sick from breast implants, amalgam fillings, a moldy home is how filled their bucket is.

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<v SPEAKER_04>But genetics still play a buck, uh, a role, right?

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<v SPEAKER_04>Some people have genetically bigger buckets, they can handle more stress, meaning, right?

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<v SPEAKER_02>And MTHFR, I mean, that's something we can we can talk about and other, you know, genetic predispositions.

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<v SPEAKER_02>But yeah, you know, people are people are different.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I think the stressors obviously are big.

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<v SPEAKER_02>That's what your program focuses on.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and I should probably say, I don't know at what point this would be appropriate, but I I've been through your program.

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<v SPEAKER_02>I'm currently a member of your program.

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<v SPEAKER_02>That's how we that's that's how we actually got introduced, and it was totally serendipitous.

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<v SPEAKER_02>This wasn't planned by any means.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, I had my own, and this is why we're on this program.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, no, exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_04>I what let's tell your story.

00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:40.559
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, because you ended up in my program because you ended up with symptoms.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_04>And like you said, I was finding myself, this is your words, with the same symptoms that people were coming in with breast implant illness.

00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:51.279
<v SPEAKER_04>So, like, what you know, obviously you didn't have breast implants.

00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:55.519
<v SPEAKER_02>I was already an expert in in breast implant illness and all these things that we're talking about.

00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:02.480
<v SPEAKER_02>And all of a sudden I was like, man, I got I got brain fog, fatigue, post-exertional uh post-exertional malaise.

00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:02.799
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:04.720
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, yeah.

00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:15.519
<v SPEAKER_02>So that was you know what led me to find you in uh in August of last year when I was, you know, being my own uh advocate, you know, even as a physician, trying to find answers like these patients do.

00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.679
<v SPEAKER_02>This was really kind of my aha moment as it's makes us better doctors, though, doesn't it?

00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:20.240
<v SPEAKER_02>It does.

00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.159
<v SPEAKER_02>It definitely changes the perspective.

00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:34.000
<v SPEAKER_02>And I've had to do a lot of work over the last year, uh, you know, work on myself, work on, you know, what I'm bringing into my body, you know, my thoughts, you know, all the things that affect the stressors that fill the bucket, right?

00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:42.320
<v SPEAKER_02>So it's not like one thing that just all of a sudden uh causes you to be better, and it's not one um cause that's causing you to have symptoms.

00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:57.120
<v SPEAKER_02>So that bucket is filled with many stressors that once they overflow, you know, in retrospect, and it took a lot of introspection to kind of piece this all together and connect the dots, but you know, like you, um, you know, kind of a perfect storm of events.

00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:03.679
<v SPEAKER_02>Interestingly, I had a tick exposure in uh the months and the weeks leading up to my symptoms.

00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:11.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, I also was diagnosed with quote unquote um, you know, long COVID, you know, um mercury toxicity.

00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:20.879
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, and I was on extensive antibiotics for the anaplasmosis from the tick exposure, you know, kind of plus or minus whether or not I actually got diagnosed with Lyme.

00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.240
<v SPEAKER_02>I had a mold exposure in my house, I had emotional stress or something.

00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:25.679
<v SPEAKER_02>I call this a perfect storm.

00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:25.919
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.720
<v SPEAKER_04>And the bottom falls out, and you end up with all the symptoms that yeah, it was a lot all at once.

00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:37.519
<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, I was previously healthy, and all of a sudden your body just cannot compensate to all of the stressors coming up.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Exactly.

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<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:42.399
<v SPEAKER_02>And so I'm like, okay, like I've I've been to traditional doctors at this point.

00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:52.399
<v SPEAKER_02>I'd been to my primary care doctor, I'd actually been to like a functional medicine doctor, I've been to integrative medicine doctors, and you know, I'm resourced, I'm knowledgeable, I can do my own research.

00:15:52.639 --> 00:16:01.600
<v SPEAKER_02>And so thinking of it from a patient's perspective, it's like, what would these patients be doing if if and what would I be doing if I didn't have the resources that I that I do?

00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:07.840
<v SPEAKER_02>And if I didn't have the medical knowledge or background that I did, if I didn't have the access to great physicians that I did.

00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:15.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And I'd been to endocrinologist and neurologist, and you know, kind of the typical experience of our BII patients.

00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.399
<v SPEAKER_02>And uh, you know, I wasn't coming up with a whole lot of solutions.

00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.960
<v SPEAKER_04>And even though I had some none of them were probably well, they weren't asking the right questions.

00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.320
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, they weren't even looking or digging for cause, typically.

00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:30.399
<v SPEAKER_04>They're asking about symptoms and then they're thinking about drugs to give you for the symptoms.

00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:36.799
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and even even the integrative medicine doctors, it's like, oh, you've got dysautonomia or you know, well, great, how does that help me?

00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:37.200
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:38.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Mast cell activation.

00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:39.039
<v SPEAKER_02>How do I do it?

00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.120
<v SPEAKER_04>Uh yeah, you know, work on your gut.

00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.360
<v SPEAKER_04>Uh okay, yeah, how's this helping me?

00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:43.519
<v SPEAKER_04>Right.

00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:44.399
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, exactly.

00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:46.159
<v SPEAKER_02>So it was it was very frustrating.

00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:55.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And so I turned a lot to uh doing my own research and identifying people that I thought uh were spreading the right message and you know, had it rooted in science.

00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:00.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Obviously, as a as a physician, I also uh am very much into the scientific method.

00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:10.400
<v SPEAKER_02>I understand science is always evolving and changing, but you know, I wasn't uh prepared to just start making decisions about my health on things that I couldn't validate with, you know, medical information.

00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:16.880
<v SPEAKER_02>So uh I came across your program and right away, and I'm I'm not just saying this, and you know, I got Ian in the back of the room.

00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:18.400
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, he heard me say this.

00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.039
<v SPEAKER_02>I was like, wow, this guy knows what he's talking about.

00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:26.240
<v SPEAKER_02>Like everything you're saying and everything your program taught, like totally resonated with me.

00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.599
<v SPEAKER_02>And I was like, you know, this is really treating the root cause.

00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:44.000
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, and it it's it's great because it's simplified to a way where anybody can really understand it and your process takes people through it in a way that's manageable and not overwhelming and empowers the patients to make uh decisions for themselves.

00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.119
<v SPEAKER_02>So, really from day one, I was like, wow, this guy really knows what he's doing.

00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:48.640
<v SPEAKER_02>This program is so well organized.

00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:49.839
<v SPEAKER_02>And I'm I'm not just saying that.

00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Like I was I was singing your praises around the office.

00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:55.599
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm like, this guy's got to figure it out.

00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:56.640
<v SPEAKER_02>Like, I want to do a program.

00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:58.079
<v SPEAKER_04>Well, you were in my program.

00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.799
<v SPEAKER_04>I didn't I didn't know who you were, I didn't know you were in my program, right?

00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.960
<v SPEAKER_04>And it's like, and then all of a sudden someone said, Yo, you gotta hear this guy's story.

00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:15.119
<v SPEAKER_02>And then I this is this is like a spiritual moment, but I reached out why I finally connected with your coach, and just in kind of the intake process, she was like, you know, so what do you do?

00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:21.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Meanwhile, apparently she already knew she had done her homework that I was a plastic surgeon and I was into BII.

00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:23.599
<v SPEAKER_02>And I know that your program focuses on BII.

00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:31.279
<v SPEAKER_02>And by the way, it's one of the only programs in the detox world that I know of that specifically talks about and focuses on detox from the city.

00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, look, I mean, we're we are looking up.

00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:39.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Look, I can say this, we're the only program out there that really is focusing on cause, right?

00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:40.720
<v SPEAKER_04>That's why we need guys like you.

00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.160
<v SPEAKER_04>That's why we're here today, right?

00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.640
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, homes making people sick.

00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.400
<v SPEAKER_04>We have a group of dentists, right?

00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:54.480
<v SPEAKER_04>We need a group of you, you know, because getting to the cause is how I got my life back, how you're getting to your life back, right?

00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.640
<v SPEAKER_04>So, you know, that that's why we're here, man.

00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:57.359
<v SPEAKER_04>So thank you.

00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:05.039
<v SPEAKER_02>And so uh, in talking with your coach, she was like, Oh my God, I can't believe you do explant surgery.

00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.119
<v SPEAKER_02>She's like, Thank you so much for what you do.

00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.960
<v SPEAKER_02>And by the way, I have breast implant illness, and I I think you know this.

00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:11.200
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:14.319
<v SPEAKER_02>And I'm scheduled to get my implants out, you know, next month.

00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:16.960
<v SPEAKER_02>And I was like, you know, we talked about that a little bit.

00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:22.559
<v SPEAKER_02>And then literally the next conversation we had, she said, Will you do my will you do my X plant surgery?

00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.200
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah, it was like, you help her helping you, you helping her.

00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:32.160
<v SPEAKER_02>And so, you know, just to give you like a bit of a real live uh story, so she she had BII.

00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.559
<v SPEAKER_02>She had a lot of symptoms of BII.

00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:41.279
<v SPEAKER_02>She had been through your program, so she did the whole you know detox for four or five months prior to her explant surgery.

00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:44.960
<v SPEAKER_02>She went from, you know, probably a dozen or a couple dozen symptoms.

00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:49.279
<v SPEAKER_02>And we like you, we have like an intake form, so we know what patient's symptoms are.

00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:55.920
<v SPEAKER_02>And um, you know, from the time that she started with your program to when she got explanted, she was down to like two symptoms.

00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:07.839
<v SPEAKER_02>And then we did her explant surgery, and uh, you know, at this point she's like six months out from surgery, her symptoms are completely resolved, and uh, she's lost like probably 20 or 30 pounds and she feels great.

00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.599
<v SPEAKER_02>And so, you know, you you can't, like we say, you know, we can't make this stuff up.

00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:13.440
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, it's like and it it's even tough.

00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:15.279
<v SPEAKER_04>To the cause, the body heals itself.

00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:23.599
<v SPEAKER_02>When when, you know, even if we can't prove that implants are causing your symptoms, which we can't, you know, and we we can't I can't prove that your silver filling is causing your symptoms.

00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:24.000
<v SPEAKER_04>Right.

00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:25.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And we're very transparent about that.

00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.240
<v SPEAKER_02>We're we're we talk about that in the informed consent process.

00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.279
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, we have to make sure the patients know what they're signing up for.

00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:42.400
<v SPEAKER_02>But even if we can't prove that the implants cause your symptoms, taking the implants out, you know, or you know, a D challenge as it's called, and your symptoms go away, that's pretty indicative that there's a cause and effect relationship, right?

00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:43.200
<v SPEAKER_02>Absolutely.

00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.279
<v SPEAKER_02>So it's like uh, you know, what what would somebody say that doesn't believe in BI?

00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:51.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Oh, well, it's all psychosomatic or it was all in their head or it's placebo effect.

00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:54.319
<v SPEAKER_02>But you know, at the end of the day, if these patients, first of all, I don't believe that.

00:20:54.559 --> 00:21:03.279
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, no, I and I think we're beyond that as a scientific community, but needless to say, I think if you have them in, you might still be holding on to that, maybe.

00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:03.599
<v SPEAKER_04>I don't know.

00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:11.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, but I mean, if if the implants come out and the symptoms go away and the patients feel better and they're able to get back to their, you know, life lifestyle.

00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.720
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, you see these patients just heal literally overnight.

00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:23.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Their relationships recover, their, you know, their relationships with their significant others, with their families, with their, you know, with their lifestyle, with their jobs.

00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.599
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, their whole life kind of comes back together, like like yours did, like mine did.

00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.680
<v SPEAKER_02>I think, you know, Ian can attest for this.

00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:41.680
<v SPEAKER_02>Like, you know, there's been a lot of changes in my own personality just in the last year since I've really focused on uh you know being the best version of myself, not only physically, but emotionally, mentally.

00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.519
<v SPEAKER_02>And obviously it takes it takes a lot of work.

00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:44.240
<v SPEAKER_02>Like I said, it isn't.

00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.759
<v SPEAKER_04>And by the way, you're in my program now and you see I'm detoxing, right?

00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:48.720
<v SPEAKER_04>You my alarm went off.

00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:49.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Like, here, here's all my pills.

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.079
<v SPEAKER_04>I'm doing it doing my own program in plastic, though.

00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:53.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, exactly.

00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:57.599
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, though, if it was hot or acid y or thing, yeah, I'd be very concerned, right?

00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.680
<v SPEAKER_04>But it's not like it's going to jump out.

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<v SPEAKER_04>Necessarily.

00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:09.359
<v SPEAKER_04>But um, you know, point is though, is that these toxins accumulate in our body, and that's the issue, right?

00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.039
<v SPEAKER_04>And that takes time, number one.

00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.359
<v SPEAKER_04>So you could have breast implants for a long time, and all of a sudden it starts.

00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:24.319
<v SPEAKER_04>You could have silver fillings, all of a sudden, a moldy home, and all of a sudden it starts because there's an accumulation, and you know, the immune system's going this way.

00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:25.519
<v SPEAKER_04>And eventually, boom.

00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.680
<v SPEAKER_04>And again, back to this simple example, one day the bucket overflows.

00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:35.279
<v SPEAKER_04>But it was filling that whole time, and it was all of the stressors, not just the implants.

00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:42.240
<v SPEAKER_02>And then what happens is, you know, these patients, you know, they go to the, you know, their typical doctors, they don't get answers.

00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:50.880
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, they they're told like I was, you know, you're you're under stress, you're depressed, you know, you're going through menopause, um, but you know, it's not your implants.

00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:59.039
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, you're you've got, you know, chronic fatigue syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, you know, uh, you know, some other kind of nonspecific inflammatory condition.

00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Take steroids, take these anti-inflammatory medications, and you know, you'll be fine.

00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:04.240
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:05.359
<v SPEAKER_02>And this goes, this goes on.

00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:07.920
<v SPEAKER_04>That's this is typically how it goes every time.

00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:15.519
<v SPEAKER_02>And I've I've had patients that have had, you know, back surgery and other surgeries and neurologic symptoms and diagnostic tests.

00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.039
<v SPEAKER_02>And, you know, they come in and their medical records are like a binder this thick.

00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Because they've been chasing it for 10 years, you know.

00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:28.720
<v SPEAKER_02>And a lot of times, you know, I hate to say it, they go back to their plastic surgeon and say, you know, what do you think about this maybe being for my breast implants?

00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.480
<v SPEAKER_02>And uh, no, no, it's not your breast implants.

00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Well, first of all, especially if he's the person to put them in.

00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:34.799
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like, what's he gonna say?

00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.000
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, absolutely.

00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:46.559
<v SPEAKER_02>It's like I think, I think maybe, you know, if somebody, if somebody were to come back to see me now, you know, 10 years later that had symptoms of BII, we would have that tough conversation about the putting.

00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:48.720
<v SPEAKER_04>Well, because you're in a different place, though.

00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:59.440
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, I mean, if you're still actively putting breast implants in, what are the chances of you know someone coming to you and saying, can, hey, my fatigue and all this pain that I have, could it be related to that?

00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.440
<v SPEAKER_04>What are the chances of saying, yeah, it could be?

00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:03.440
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, I mean when you're still putting them in.

00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:03.839
<v SPEAKER_04>I don't know.

00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:10.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, I'm I think um, you know, it comes down to setting the stage and setting expectations, you know, from the very onset.

00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:14.000
<v SPEAKER_02>So this doesn't happen for patients for months and years without them knowing.

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:28.240
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, if somebody wants to get breast implants um and they go through an appropriate informed consent process, and you know, the physician tells them, you know, the risks of getting breast implants are A, B, and C, contracture, rupture, something called breast implant illness.

00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:29.200
<v SPEAKER_02>This is what it is.

00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:30.720
<v SPEAKER_02>This is probably what's causing it.

00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.200
<v SPEAKER_02>This is how you would treat it if you were to develop symptoms.

00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.680
<v SPEAKER_02>Just kind of keep that in the back of your mind so that if you do develop symptoms, we can treat you.

00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.839
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, to me, that is an appropriate way to put them in.

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.240
<v SPEAKER_04>I doubt we're going to just stop putting them in.

00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:43.759
<v SPEAKER_04>I doubt it's going to be banned.

00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:44.000
<v SPEAKER_04>Okay.

00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.279
<v SPEAKER_04>So, but therefore, that should be what should be.

00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.279
<v SPEAKER_02>That's the goal for me.

00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:49.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:50.880
<v SPEAKER_02>As far as raising awareness.

00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:55.119
<v SPEAKER_04>If it's just as like there's something called breast implant illness, and that is a possibility here.

00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Meaning that that's informed consent, right?

00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:57.680
<v SPEAKER_02>Absolutely.

00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:05.200
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm not, I don't think that anybody's saying breast implants are evil or anybody's doing anything, like I said, intentional.

00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:11.200
<v SPEAKER_02>But I think, you know, definitely patients need to be informed about the possible risks involved with putting implants where we start.

00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:13.200
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, we're in 2025 now.

00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:22.799
<v SPEAKER_02>I think, you know, that there's there's plenty of scientific data uh from research that's been done all over the world related to breast implant illness.

00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.759
<v SPEAKER_02>And I I don't even think that it's it's you know, you said controversial earlier on the show.

00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:30.319
<v SPEAKER_02>I don't even think it's really that controversial anymore.

00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.279
<v SPEAKER_04>Well, in my mind, in the scientific world, it's not.

00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.799
<v SPEAKER_04>However, when you have this conversation with people, it becomes controversial real fast.

00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:38.960
<v SPEAKER_04>Yes.

00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:46.640
<v SPEAKER_02>I think in certain circles, it's still considered, you know, controversial, especially in circles of people that are continuing to put implants in.

00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:53.200
<v SPEAKER_02>But I think, you know, if you actually look at the science, you look at the research, you look at the clinical data, and you look at the patient experience.

00:25:53.359 --> 00:26:01.119
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, we're talking tens and tens of thousands of women worldwide that have been explanted, that have been studied, that feel better after surgery.

00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.079
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, you know, to me, that that shouldn't be a controversial topic.

00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:05.359
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:06.799
<v SPEAKER_04>Okay, let's let's talk.

00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.720
<v SPEAKER_04>There's two different types of implants.

00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:14.000
<v SPEAKER_04>Maybe there's more, but in my simple mind, I think of the silicone implant and the saline.

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:14.799
<v SPEAKER_04>Is one worse?

00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.880
<v SPEAKER_04>What's the dangers of one versus the other?

00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:18.480
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, that's a good question.

00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.119
<v SPEAKER_02>And I think the short answer is I don't know.

00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:28.720
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, but what we do know is that, like you said, if you put a foreign material in the body, you're gonna develop an inflammatory response.

00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:36.319
<v SPEAKER_02>So regardless of whether that foreign material is uh hip prosthesis or a silicone implant or a saline implant.

00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:44.400
<v SPEAKER_02>Now, I think the difference between saline and silicone uh with relates to their as it relates to their pathophysiology of symptoms is probably different.

00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:52.000
<v SPEAKER_02>I know you talk about uh hidden infections, mold, heavy metal toxicity, you know, with the implants, both types of implants.

00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:52.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:26:52.640 --> 00:27:02.160
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, and so I don't have the the scientific data to say, you know, saline implants cause these symptoms because of this reason, or silicone causes it because of that reason.

00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:07.359
<v SPEAKER_02>But I think, you know, one of the misnomers is, you know, even though it's a saline implant, it's a silicone shell.

00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:07.680
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:12.640
<v SPEAKER_02>And that and that shell has a valve, you know, and that valve is how you put the saline into the implant.

00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:20.640
<v SPEAKER_02>That means that I, in my opinion, it's potentially higher risk for colonization of you know, of molds, of bacteria.

00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:26.319
<v SPEAKER_02>It's very well known and very well documented about biofilms in breast implants and other types of processes.

00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.359
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, and by the way, when people get, you mentioned the a hip implant, right?

00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:30.160
<v SPEAKER_04>A titanium.

00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, you know, there is study after study.

00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:43.599
<v SPEAKER_04>I think I got into this with my father-in-law, and I said, no, look, I went on PubMed and I showed him all this research about biofilms around titanium, these implants, right?

00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:44.880
<v SPEAKER_04>And the potential problems.

00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.039
<v SPEAKER_04>And it's like the science is out there.

00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:47.759
<v SPEAKER_04>That's what I'm saying.

00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.160
<v SPEAKER_04>Because he asked his doctor, and the doctor said, no, no, no, there's no.

00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:56.880
<v SPEAKER_02>We've been talking about biofilms as it relates to breast implants for decades, since I've been in practice, so almost 20 years.

00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:58.640
<v SPEAKER_02>It's always biofilm, biofilm.

00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:04.000
<v SPEAKER_04>But that's let me back up because people were saying a word that people are going, oh, like what is that?

00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:04.480
<v SPEAKER_04>Okay.

00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.759
<v SPEAKER_04>So the the body will form biofilms around something.

00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:16.640
<v SPEAKER_04>We have biofilms in our microbiome, even to protect our good bacteria, but biofilms can be loaded with bad guys, bad bacteria, bad pathogens.

00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:23.359
<v SPEAKER_04>And when something foreign goes in the body, these biofilms form, and therefore pathogens will be attracted to that.

00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:23.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Absolutely.

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.319
<v SPEAKER_04>And they become immune-driving.

00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.720
<v SPEAKER_02>And and it also evades the immune system.

00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.799
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, because they hide in the biofilms.

00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:31.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Exactly.

00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.920
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, the immune surveillance is compromised when you have these biofilms that are present.

00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:44.640
<v SPEAKER_02>So that's the most common hypothesis right now for capsular contracture, which in my opinion is kind of a precursor potentially to breast implant illness.

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.839
<v SPEAKER_02>And even taking it a step further, you know, as you know, as the body becomes more inflamed, you get more symptoms.

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.839
<v SPEAKER_02>You maybe develop the C-word, the C monster, you know, as time goes on.

00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.160
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, that's very well documented now, too.

00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:02.160
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, five, 10 years ago, nobody was talking about the association between breast implants and cancer, right?

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:07.119
<v SPEAKER_04>So I like the fact that he used the C World because we can actually do put this on social media.

00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.799
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, I figured there's a reason everybody says the sea monster.

00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:11.200
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.759
<v SPEAKER_02>So depends on what platform, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:25.359
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay, so as far as the sea monster goes, and I've I've learned that from all from you and all your colleagues and watching all of these uh, you know, videos about these topics, but um, you know, it's it's a it's a continuum, right?

00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.440
<v SPEAKER_02>You get inflammation, causes capsular contracture, more inflammation.

00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:42.559
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, maybe you get breast implant illness, you get symptoms, more inflammation, you know, you get um, you know, turning on, like you like to say, of these uh genes that can predispose patients to developing different types of cancer.

00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:48.799
<v SPEAKER_02>So specifically the thing that we talk about in the plastic surgery literature is ALC, all that's very well known now.

00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.200
<v SPEAKER_02>That was not something anybody talked about previously.

00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:52.400
<v SPEAKER_04>So tell them what that is.

00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.960
<v SPEAKER_02>So it's called anaplastic large cell lymphoma.

00:29:55.039 --> 00:30:02.640
<v SPEAKER_02>So it's not a breast cancer per se, but it's a cancer that actually forms in the capsule, in the inflammation itself around the implant.

00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:10.000
<v SPEAKER_02>And so um, it's very rare based on the scientific literature, but it's definitely a known risk of getting breast implants.

00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.279
<v SPEAKER_02>There's also other kinds of cancers that can form in the capsules around the.

00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Informed consent, I think that's you know, very kind of surgeon specific.

00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:23.839
<v SPEAKER_02>I think it's you know, maybe disclosed in some of the documentation that patients sign prior to surgery.

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.160
<v SPEAKER_02>But don't read in the packet of you know, informed consent information.

00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:40.400
<v SPEAKER_02>But, you know, so we know now, taking breast implant illness aside, let's pretend BII wasn't even a real thing, but there's the potential to develop cancer in the capsules around implants from the implant.

00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.240
<v SPEAKER_02>I think everybody would agree on it at this point.

00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And that's just an end result of an inflammatory process.

00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:55.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And so the way to treat that is to remove the implant, remove the capsule, obviously make sure that there's no uh underlying hidden cancers, and then you know, reconstruct the breast as needed.

00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.079
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, and again, who's more predisposed to that?

00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:07.839
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, obviously genes can play a role, but all people that immune system is very distracted already, and they're they're not adapting to this foreign stress.

00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:09.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:16.799
<v SPEAKER_02>It's uh I I loved how you make these analogies so simple to understand, even for you know, plastic surgeons like me that you know aren't into all of that.

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.200
<v SPEAKER_02>That's good.

00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:18.480
<v SPEAKER_02>The biochemistry.

00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:25.359
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, I I wish you had your whiteboard so we could we could go through the uh the perfect storm and the three-legged stool and all that kind of stuff.

00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.319
<v SPEAKER_04>You should keep one of my whiteboards down here just for fun.

00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.920
<v SPEAKER_02>But uh, you know, that that it's just it makes so much sense.

00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:42.319
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, for me personally, you know, my with my own medical knowledge, combined with my surgical expertise, combined with my you know, experience doing X-Plan surgery.

00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:54.160
<v SPEAKER_02>And then I would honestly say, like what I've learned through my own personal experience, personal journey with an inflammatory health condition and how to detoxify from it, in a large part based on your work.

00:31:54.319 --> 00:32:01.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, I feel like I have a lot of valuable information that I can now offer patients that are going through a similar journey.

00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:02.640
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:14.720
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, look, I I think that you going through the journey is all part of the pain to the purpose because you became better when you went through it yourself.

00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.039
<v SPEAKER_04>You now are sitting across from someone going, Yeah, I know what that feels like, right?

00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.359
<v SPEAKER_04>Uh, you know, it definitely opens up our heart.

00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:26.880
<v SPEAKER_04>It but it also allows us to truly understand, like to be on the other side.

00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.440
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, I I you can't go to school for that.

00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:29.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.759
<v SPEAKER_02>Well, first of all, it it humbles you, right?

00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:33.279
<v SPEAKER_02>I know you know it, I've been through it.

00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.359
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, obviously it makes a big difference.

00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:41.759
<v SPEAKER_02>But um, you know, also when I was doing, you know, these surgeries previously, I was doing it very much from the perspective of a surgeon.

00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.839
<v SPEAKER_02>Like, you've got a problem, I'm gonna fix it.

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.920
<v SPEAKER_02>It's very kind of cause and effect.

00:32:46.079 --> 00:33:04.640
<v SPEAKER_02>But it's different to do it from the perspective of the patient, you know, having been through the journey, knowing what they've been through, knowing, you know, the frustration that they must be feeling, the hopelessness that they're feeling, uh, the fear, you know, that they're feeling because you know, they've been to doctors, they don't know what they don't know what's wrong with them, they don't know if the surgery is gonna help them feel better.

00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:05.839
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a horrible feeling.

00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:11.359
<v SPEAKER_02>And, you know, like we talked about earlier, they all got implants because they wanted to feel better about themselves.

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.920
<v SPEAKER_02>And now we're talking about taking their implants out.

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.279
<v SPEAKER_02>And what's that gonna look like?

00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.359
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, that's a big consideration that you know is is an emotional stressor.

00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.039
<v SPEAKER_02>We know that you know, surgery itself is a physical stressor, all of these things come behind.

00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:34.000
<v SPEAKER_04>I do want to unpack that a little bit because I know that on the other side of this is a woman who is going through that right there, right?

00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:39.279
<v SPEAKER_04>There's an identity emotional issue that has to be addressed.

00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.640
<v SPEAKER_04>In your experience, how does that unpack, right?

00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Meaning, like, how do you get them through that?

00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.079
<v SPEAKER_04>How do they get through that?

00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.240
<v SPEAKER_04>What is the typically what do you see?

00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:57.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Because I I already know right now a handful of women who have a suspicion that their breast implants are making them ill.

00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.440
<v SPEAKER_04>And the conversation I have is they're worried about what their husband thinks.

00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.240
<v SPEAKER_04>They're worried about, I'm sure, how people view them, right?

00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.320
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, and this is what is at the root of why they haven't taken the step yet.

00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:09.519
<v SPEAKER_04>What do we say about this?

00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:24.880
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, it's not what people want to hear, you know, you know, and even after having been sick for years or for decades, you know, a lot of times we've got a Kleenex box in the in the consult room because as soon as, you know, we tell patients, you know, we we we can't guarantee you're gonna get better by taking your implants out.

00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:36.960
<v SPEAKER_02>But what I tell patients is based on our clinical experience now of having done this hundreds of times and having seen the results of thousands of patients worldwide, I think we can get you to feel better after surgery, but we got to take the implants out.

00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.639
<v SPEAKER_02>We got to address that issue.

00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:45.840
<v SPEAKER_02>And it's gonna be definitely a perspective change in that you have to come to grips with with the way the breasts are gonna look.

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.719
<v SPEAKER_02>And um, you know, it's it's not it's not something patients are.

00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.280
<v SPEAKER_04>We gotta talk about what to do because there's things you can do.

00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.719
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, you reconstruct this.

00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:53.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Yes.

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.280
<v SPEAKER_04>So, you know, so that that's part of the conversation is well, okay, hold on a second.

00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:05.920
<v SPEAKER_04>You're not going from, you know, you're not gonna look the way you look now, which I I can we can all tell a breast implant from a natural breast anyway.

00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.039
<v SPEAKER_04>So, but you're going to perhaps go to this.

00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.519
<v SPEAKER_04>What is this, and how do you get them there?

00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:12.880
<v SPEAKER_04>And and what's the difference?

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:22.800
<v SPEAKER_02>So, so the first thing I think, you know, like we do in plastic surgery with everything, whether we're talking about rhinoplasty, tummy tuck, or you know, explant surgery is setting appropriate expectations.

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.800
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, I tell the patients from the very beginning, this is going to be a physical change.

00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:32.960
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, this is not something that uh I can I can replicate the way the breasts are gonna look, you know, without implants.

00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:36.719
<v SPEAKER_02>But obviously, at my primary goal, goal number one is to get you feeling better.

00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:37.760
<v SPEAKER_02>That's why you're here.

00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:38.960
<v SPEAKER_02>That's that's my goal.

00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.000
<v SPEAKER_02>So I want to take off, take off these implants, take off the capsule, really like I'm removing a cancer.

00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.719
<v SPEAKER_02>That's where actually the term end block capselectomy comes from.

00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.559
<v SPEAKER_02>It's from oncologic surgery.

00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.440
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, we're treating this, in my opinion, like a cancer.

00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:57.920
<v SPEAKER_02>You want to get out all of that tissue, all that inflammatory tissue, give the patients the best chance of healing and feeling well.

00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.559
<v SPEAKER_02>But then the question is, you know, how do we reconstruct the breast in a way to maximize the appearance?

00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:02.880
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:06.159
<v SPEAKER_04>So to me that Because I mean, if feeling well is the first goal.

00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:07.119
<v SPEAKER_04>That's the first goal.

00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.320
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, when the when someone's really sick, it's always the first goal.

00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.760
<v SPEAKER_04>But almost equally, what it looks like afterwards is the as big of a concern.

00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:16.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, it is.

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:23.280
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, I would say most patients, you know, kind of setting the right expectation, like getting you feeling better is is my number one priority.

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.199
<v SPEAKER_02>And then I will do my best as a plastic surgeon to make the breast look as good as possible.

00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:28.480
<v SPEAKER_02>And they're comfortable with that.

00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.719
<v SPEAKER_02>But obviously, everybody wants, you know, the best aesthetic result possible.

00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.280
<v SPEAKER_02>So the ways to answer your question, we can do that.

00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:43.039
<v SPEAKER_04>And by the way, a lot of people get before we leave the X plant part of it, they leave part, because you said it's like getting rid of cancer.

00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.360
<v SPEAKER_04>That subject, you can't leave anything behind.

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Some people leave the capsule behind, which is really a problem, you know, right?

00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.039
<v SPEAKER_04>And some of the muscular tissue, right?

00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.719
<v SPEAKER_04>So, you know, that has to be done right.

00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, I just want to be clear.

00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.639
<v SPEAKER_02>I'm not saying we're we're removing a cancer, I'm saying I'm we're removing it.

00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:57.199
<v SPEAKER_02>No, no, no.

00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.360
<v SPEAKER_02>That's the analogy, meaning though, if anything is left behind, that's not good.

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:08.159
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a it's a potential nitis for infection, it's a nidis for inflammation, it's a potential risk for recurrence of symptoms.

00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.519
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, I've seen plenty of patients that have been explanted without a capsolectomy or out of property.

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.039
<v SPEAKER_04>That's why I'm making the point that this is this can't just be this, right?

00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:18.079
<v SPEAKER_04>They're gone now.

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:25.360
<v SPEAKER_04>A lot of people watch a lot of people not get well, they end up going back in and they this it all wasn't removed.

00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.400
<v SPEAKER_02>And then that was the Yeah, and and just so I think you understand this, it's a much bigger surgery.

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.400
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a bigger surgery, it's a bigger recovery.

00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.000
<v SPEAKER_02>There's more risks, there's more costs.

00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.639
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, there's a lot that goes into doing the right surgery.

00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:40.159
<v SPEAKER_02>All right, it's very easy to make an incision, go and pull the implants out and close.

00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:40.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:42.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, I just didn't want to gloss over that.

00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:42.960
<v SPEAKER_04>It has to be done right now.

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:52.000
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a really important point because um, you know, that that is a big reason why I think some women are reluctant to go through the surgery because it is an extensive surgery.

00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:53.119
<v SPEAKER_02>There's a lot of risks involved.

00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.639
<v SPEAKER_02>Yes, it has to be done with somebody that has experience doing those kinds of surgeries.

00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, and then it also makes the reconstruction more harder.

00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.440
<v SPEAKER_02>So it makes the reconstruction harder.

00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:07.840
<v SPEAKER_02>So the way that we can try to make the breast look better without obviously putting another implant back in would be, you know.

00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:08.800
<v SPEAKER_04>What's done now?

00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.079
<v SPEAKER_04>This is what they want to hear.

00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:10.639
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:14.320
<v SPEAKER_02>So um obviously, usually after implants come out, there's loose skin.

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.599
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, sometimes there's not, but you know, we have to address the skin issue.

00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.239
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh many times the inframammary crease, which is the crease in the bottom of the breast, has been disrupted from the prior breast augmentation.

00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:25.760
<v SPEAKER_02>So that has to be reconstructed.

00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:33.920
<v SPEAKER_02>The pectoralis muscle, which is the muscle that's typically uh the implants go under in submuscular breast augmentation, has to be reconstructed.

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.159
<v SPEAKER_02>And then we have to address the volume loss.

00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:56.000
<v SPEAKER_02>So patients that, you know, are wanting the breast to be fuller with more shape and have appropriate, you know, what's called donor site fat or somewhere we can get fat from, we can actually do autologous fat grafting where we borrow fat just like liposuction, harvest it, and then use that to reinject into the breast to give it the shape that would be more similar to having an impact.

00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:57.039
<v SPEAKER_04>How much of that?

00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.519
<v SPEAKER_04>I'm literally trying to think of questions they would ask, right?

00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.519
<v SPEAKER_04>How much volume can we get out of that?

00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.960
<v SPEAKER_04>How much fat can you put in?

00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:07.440
<v SPEAKER_04>And then part two of that question is won't my body eat some of that fat?

00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:11.760
<v SPEAKER_04>So even if I start at this cup size, will I end up at a less?

00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:12.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Two questions.

00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:13.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Yes.

00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.280
<v SPEAKER_02>So so the answer is I'm trying, folks.

00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.880
<v SPEAKER_04>I'm trying to get all the questions you have.

00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh so the answer is, I mean, yes, we set those expectations.

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.280
<v SPEAKER_02>We're not gonna get 100% fat crab survival.

00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.519
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, I usually set the expectations at 50%.

00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:26.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.000
<v SPEAKER_02>And that that's probably conservative.

00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.199
<v SPEAKER_02>It's probably a little bit more than that, depending on who's doing it and how you're doing it.

00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:38.239
<v SPEAKER_02>But, you know, I thought, and also the breast tissue is only depending on how much soft tissue there is, is only going to accommodate so much fat.

00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:46.880
<v SPEAKER_02>So usually I set the expectations, even if we're taking out a bigger implant, which is call it like three or four hundred cc's, uh, think of it like maybe half a liter.

00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:51.599
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, we're only going to be able to reconstruct maybe 100 or 200 cc's with your body's own fat.

00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.760
<v SPEAKER_02>So have the size then?

00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.840
<v SPEAKER_02>I usually tell patients it's the equivalent of like a small implant.

00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:05.840
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, so we're we're taking out an implant, we're taking out three or four hundred cc's of volume, and we're replacing that with maybe two to three hundred C.

00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:07.840
<v SPEAKER_04>I don't even know cup size thing.

00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:08.800
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, you do.

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:09.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Okay.

00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.039
<v SPEAKER_04>So what what cup size are you striving for with the fat?

00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.559
<v SPEAKER_02>One extra cup size.

00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:14.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Okay.

00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:19.760
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, they they're gonna have a baseline cup size depending on what their natural breast tissue is.

00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.840
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, some some women still have a lot of natural breast tissue even after ex-plant surgery.

00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.199
<v SPEAKER_02>And so those patients actually, you know, have better results from an aesthetic standpoint because there's more to work with.

00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:29.599
<v SPEAKER_03>Okay.

00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.920
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, the really challenging patients are the ones, and this is a lot of women that have gotten breast implants.

00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Why do they get breast implants?

00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:35.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Because they're so thin.

00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, they don't have a lot of breast tissue, take the implants out.

00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.039
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, it's typically skin over implant.

00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:42.880
<v SPEAKER_02>There's not a lot to do to reconstruct.

00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.400
<v SPEAKER_02>And a lot of these women are very thin.

00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.360
<v SPEAKER_02>They don't have appropriate donor sites where we can get fat from.

00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:57.280
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, so it's it's a challenging, you know, surgery and it's a challenging um uh conversation with patients sometimes to set expectations because you know, obviously the breasts are gonna be different.

00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:03.920
<v SPEAKER_02>But, you know, to your point, um, our goal in helping patients feel better is removing the cause, right?

00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:05.360
<v SPEAKER_02>We got to get the implants out.

00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.000
<v SPEAKER_02>We got to get them on the pathway to to healing.

00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:15.440
<v SPEAKER_02>We got to get the body working correctly, we got to get their energy metabolism working, we got to get their detox processes uh, you know, working again.

00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.320
<v SPEAKER_02>And so in order to do that, we got to remove all that inflammation, starting with the implants and the capsules.

00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:20.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Right.

00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.800
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, I mean, exactly.

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.960
<v SPEAKER_04>And at least there is there's hope that you know you're gonna have something there.

00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:32.559
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, it's not like we're you're taking your breast implants and you're gonna be just absolutely flat chested.

00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:33.760
<v SPEAKER_02>Sometimes they are.

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, could see your point, a super skinny girl that doesn't have a lot of body.

00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:37.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Sometimes they are.

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.480
<v SPEAKER_02>And there's there's actually something that uh is popular online now called the flat closure.

00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:44.480
<v SPEAKER_02>It comes from breast reconstruction.

00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:57.760
<v SPEAKER_02>And so also, you know, a lot of women that had prior talk about a double whammy, you know, had prior breast cancer, so they had a mastectomy, then they get the breast reconstructed with an implant, which creates further inflammation.

00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.360
<v SPEAKER_02>And uh, you know, obviously there's no breast tissue in those patients.

00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.480
<v SPEAKER_02>So now they're coming in with symptoms of they've already had breast cancer.

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:12.719
<v SPEAKER_02>Now they've got all these additional symptoms, but they've also been through potentially chemotherapy and radiation, and you know, they've other health comorbidities.

00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.960
<v SPEAKER_02>So they really don't know what's causing what.

00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.719
<v SPEAKER_02>Is it the implants or is it related to the prior surgery and reconstruction and all of their ancillary treatments?

00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:29.679
<v SPEAKER_02>But you know, those patients actually have to get the the skin removed and have the breast be closed flat like you would after mastectomy because there's literally no other option.

00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:30.719
<v SPEAKER_02>There's nothing to work with.

00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:31.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Right.

00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:38.639
<v SPEAKER_04>What are the number one, the most common, I should say, what are the most common symptoms that you see with this?

00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.719
<v SPEAKER_02>Same, it's the same thing that I experienced, same thing that you experience.

00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.880
<v SPEAKER_02>It's it's actually pretty amazing that it all culminates in the same types of symptoms.

00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:54.559
<v SPEAKER_02>So um, you know, what I experienced in my own health uh journey uh is very similar to what these patients experience, which is why it's so close to me.

00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.280
<v SPEAKER_02>But um, you know, we brain fog is a big one.

00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, sleep, yeah, fatigue.

00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Um weird weird anxiety because it's compensated for the lack of cellular.

00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, pain, you know, you know, chronic fatigue type of stuff, fibromyalgia.

00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:09.840
<v SPEAKER_02>We see a lot of neurologic symptoms.

00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:14.719
<v SPEAKER_02>We see a lot of dysautonomia, so inability to sweat, you know, we've talked about that before.

00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, dry eyes, you know, sometimes they they go on to actually develop actual autoimmunity.

00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:31.280
<v SPEAKER_02>So they'll have that associated diagnosis, autoantibodies, uh, you know, chogrins, rads, weight fluctuations, typically weight gain, you know, from the from the chronic inflammation.

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Um isn't it crazy?

00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Like all neurotoxic, toxic people, they start gaining weight and can't lose it, right?

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:47.199
<v SPEAKER_02>And then, you know, I I have uh a number of uh patients that I've done surgery on that uh literally have lost, like you would think they they were on like a weight loss truck.

00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:47.519
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Like literally after the surgery, within like weeks, they're down 10 or 15 pounds.

00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:52.239
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.800
<v SPEAKER_02>And then they've gone on to lose 30, 40, 50 pounds.

00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.840
<v SPEAKER_04>Well, it's like when we start getting emptying people's buckets, right?

00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:59.760
<v SPEAKER_04>And we start getting this stuff out of their cells.

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.039
<v SPEAKER_04>All of a sudden they're like, I'm losing weight.

00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.639
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like I'm eating the same.

00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.760
<v SPEAKER_04>I've changed nothing.

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Ah, you know, your cells are now becoming functional again.

00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Your hormones are connecting into your cell.

00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.280
<v SPEAKER_04>You're hormone sensitive again.

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:20.239
<v SPEAKER_04>Because the big reason why people have no energy, they can't lose weight is because their cells are literally deaf to hormones, right?

00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.039
<v SPEAKER_04>And they're trying to take hormones, and that doesn't work either.

00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:23.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:24.079
<v SPEAKER_04>So yeah.

00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, absolutely.

00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.239
<v SPEAKER_02>And then uh, you know, you add on, people are feeling better.

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.719
<v SPEAKER_02>So they're being more mindful about their lifestyle choices.

00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:36.960
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, maybe when you're when you don't feel well, you know, you're depressed, you lose purpose, and you make bad choices, right?

00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:38.400
<v SPEAKER_02>That's where addiction comes in.

00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:47.440
<v SPEAKER_02>That's where people have problems with uh uh, you know, lack of motivation, eating, you know, poor food, social media addiction, you know, all the things, lack of movement.

00:44:47.519 --> 00:45:01.280
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, you solve the underlying problem, people feel better, and that actually goes on to also cause them to improve, you know, a lot of these lifestyle choices that's contributing to the symptoms and the emotional toxicity that they have from everything else going on in their life.

00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:01.519
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:14.639
<v SPEAKER_02>So it's really amazing taking like a 30,000-foot view of you know what's happening to these patients as they're going through this journey with BII, having been there now myself to really understand, you know, what are the different components that they're dealing with?

00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.280
<v SPEAKER_02>It's not just, like you say, it's not just the breast implants.

00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.440
<v SPEAKER_02>That that was kind of the icing on the cake, right?

00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:20.719
<v SPEAKER_02>But they had a lot of these issues.

00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:21.199
<v SPEAKER_05>Absolutely.

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:35.360
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, the comorbidities, maybe the genetic predisposition, maybe these other sources of inflammation, the dysbiosis, microbiome disruption, autonomic dysregulation, uh, immune dysfunction, uh, emotional traumas, all of these things fill their bucket.

00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.159
<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, you got to poke holes all over this bucket to do that.

00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:43.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, that's what makes my job hard because I'm telling them that like, you know, it's all of it.

00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.360
<v SPEAKER_04>Every bit of that filled their bucket, right?

00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.519
<v SPEAKER_04>So we have to knock all of it off, right?

00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.960
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like we have to go through and start emptying the bucket with the detox.

00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.480
<v SPEAKER_04>But the problem is, is they've had all these exposures in their life.

00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.320
<v SPEAKER_02>And then the question is where, I mean, and for me too, it's like, where do I even start?

00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:03.199
<v SPEAKER_02>Like you Google, uh, you know, I'm tired, I'm fatigued, I'm not sleeping well.

00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Well, I mean, you're you're not gonna get anywhere with that, right?

00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:07.599
<v SPEAKER_02>So how do you even start?

00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.760
<v SPEAKER_02>How do you know what process to follow, in what order, in what sequence?

00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.159
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, there's so many things that factor into just helping us feel better, right?

00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Like movement, sleep, air, you know, the basics, healthy food.

00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, where do I start with all that?

00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:30.559
<v SPEAKER_02>And again, uh, you know, your program just kind of lays it out in a way that is is really um very simple for patients to understand.

00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.480
<v SPEAKER_02>It doesn't require a whole lot of of thought.

00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.079
<v SPEAKER_02>You just listen to what your coaches tell you.

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.280
<v SPEAKER_02>Everyone needs a coach.

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:36.000
<v SPEAKER_04>That's a yeah.

00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:41.280
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like if I always say if I got sick again, I would I would hire one of my own coaches.

00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.000
<v SPEAKER_04>I would hire because you can't through think through your own shit.

00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:44.719
<v SPEAKER_04>You just can't.

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:45.679
<v SPEAKER_04>It's so hard.

00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.039
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, it's like you need to be guided through it because it's like otherwise you just get caught in your own circles.

00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:51.519
<v SPEAKER_04>It's horrible.

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:59.360
<v SPEAKER_02>You have to you have to have, I mean, the the the number one uh resource that you're following, you have to believe that they're reliable and credible.

00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.079
<v SPEAKER_02>Like you could follow a lot of these people online, but you know, they may not lead you to success, right?

00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:13.199
<v SPEAKER_04>So if it were only I always say if detox were only so easy of just sitting in a sauna or doing the 10-day cleanse that you know practitioners give, and it's it's not that easy.

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.159
<v SPEAKER_02>It's not that easy.

00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:25.679
<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, I I see in your support groups and you know, people writing in on other forums online and in in the BII community, it's like, well, this person said this and that person said that, and how do I do this and how do I do that?

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:32.320
<v SPEAKER_02>And it's you know, unfortunately, there it's not necessarily one right way, it kind of depends on the individual patient situation.

00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, we start with a core and we individualize it.

00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:35.840
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, exactly.

00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:42.880
<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, it's the same same thing that we do, but it's uh it's tough to really, you know, help these patients because everybody's so different.

00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:47.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And like you said, you really need to have somebody that's gonna be your partner through this journey.

00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:48.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, you do.

00:47:48.159 --> 00:48:05.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, because with without my without my background, without my knowledge, without my you know, my my interest and learning more about it and um, you know, my experience with breast and plant illness and chronic inflammation, I would have been in the same boat as a lot of these patients, which is, you know, going from doctor to doctor, getting tests done.

00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.119
<v SPEAKER_02>And then it's like, okay, well, I guess I'll just be on medication the rest of my life.

00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.880
<v SPEAKER_02>And that's, you know, that's no way to live.

00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:19.920
<v SPEAKER_02>And so kind of going back from pain the purpose, having been through the pain uh relative to, you know, my my functioning prior to that.

00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:25.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, for me, it's really important to make sure that, you know, we're helping people just live the their best quality life.

00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:25.679
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:45.760
<v SPEAKER_02>Whether it's through, you know, aesthetic surgery, sometimes aesthetic surgery can be great for helping people feel better about themselves, going on to having improved quality of life, improve relationships, improve involvement in their community, all of these things uh, you know, work together, obviously, to make people feel um, you know, better about themselves and be more engaged in their in their life and with their families.

00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.400
<v SPEAKER_02>But um, you know, with patients that have sickness, it's really important to figure that out and get on the right track.

00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:50.960
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

00:48:51.280 --> 00:49:02.159
<v SPEAKER_04>What are, okay, why we we sh touched on this, but I want to go a little deeper, the type of toxins that are in these implants that are making people sick, right?

00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:08.159
<v SPEAKER_04>We already said that anything foreign can drive these biofilms and infections, et cetera, et cetera.

00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:12.800
<v SPEAKER_04>And the body knows it's there that can drive this inflammatory reaction throughout the body.

00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.159
<v SPEAKER_04>But what what what else is going on here that's making people sick?

00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:17.840
<v SPEAKER_04>And what type of toxins are we dealing with?

00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:19.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, if I had the slide here, I would show you.

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:26.400
<v SPEAKER_02>I actually have a slide uh that goes through all of the different uh toxins that are actually in a silicone breast implant.

00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.599
<v SPEAKER_02>And there's probably like 30 heavy metals and other chemicals that are.

00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:36.719
<v SPEAKER_04>I always say, you know, ask the manufacturer of your breast implant and go online and you'll see the ingredients.

00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.079
<v SPEAKER_04>They all contain heavy metals.

00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.639
<v SPEAKER_02>I couldn't why I couldn't I couldn't believe it.

00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:47.920
<v SPEAKER_02>I know like going from I couldn't believe it, putting implants into, you know, and when I first saw this, I was like, are you sure that's right?

00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:49.039
<v SPEAKER_04>That's what I said.

00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.360
<v SPEAKER_04>Because even me, I was like, why?

00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Because I just couldn't figure it out.

00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Like, why are they why do they all have heavy metals?

00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:56.079
<v SPEAKER_04>I don't get it.

00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:56.800
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, yeah.

00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:06.639
<v SPEAKER_02>And and we know, I mean, this has been studied in pathology and other rheumatology rheumatologic circles that those leach into you know the capsules around the implants.

00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.360
<v SPEAKER_02>It travels to lymph nodes in the body.

00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:18.000
<v SPEAKER_02>You can have systemic symptoms uh, you know, related to the uh toxicity of the of the metals in the body and like you said, mold and other hidden infections.

00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:24.880
<v SPEAKER_02>I I love your uh analogy with the adontoid ligament and uh wisdom tooth removal, but it's you know it's the exact same thing.

00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:29.519
<v SPEAKER_02>And if you know you're not removing all of those contributing factors, patients just aren't going to get better.

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:34.480
<v SPEAKER_04>No, you know, and then there's the the fact, okay, what about the silicone, right?

00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:41.280
<v SPEAKER_04>The silica, it's releasing, you know, that I've read studies on they're finding this in the human body.

00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:42.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Talk about that.

00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and it's it's I mean, I again I don't think that's controversial.

00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:46.239
<v SPEAKER_02>No, it's not.

00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:52.159
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, I've seen plenty of research, you know, there's there's silicone that's found to be migrated, and this is without a rupture.

00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:52.400
<v SPEAKER_03>Yeah.

00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:56.079
<v SPEAKER_02>So obviously, you know, with the rupture, you know, there's a couple different kinds of ruptures.

00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.480
<v SPEAKER_02>We could talk about intracapsular, extracapsular.

00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:01.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Usually, if an implant ruptures, that means the shell breaks down.

00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.199
<v SPEAKER_02>It's it's contained within the wall of the capsule, which is your body's defense mechanism to prevent it from spreading.

00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.000
<v SPEAKER_02>But even with that, um, you know, a lot of these chemicals actually leach into the capsule.

00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:13.840
<v SPEAKER_02>From there, they go into the lymph nodes.

00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:19.840
<v SPEAKER_02>From the lymph nodes, they travel to other areas of the body, and they can cause direct inflammation and symptoms there as well.

00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.000
<v SPEAKER_04>And why does mold form?

00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:33.840
<v SPEAKER_02>You mentioned the valve on uh on a saline, but yeah, I think uh, well, mold's gonna form anywhere where uh you know there's a potential um opportunity for uh movement.

00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:40.239
<v SPEAKER_02>And so the mold's able to actually get uh into these, into the valve where you inject the saline.

00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.840
<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, in my opinion, that contributes to you know mold in the implant.

00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.400
<v SPEAKER_02>We've actually seen implants uh that have mold inside the implant.

00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:56.239
<v SPEAKER_02>So the the mold is you know gone from the implant through the valve and actually into the the saline within the implant.

00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:05.119
<v SPEAKER_02>So you've probably seen these pictures online where you know you you take out the implant, patients don't know anything about it, they don't have like an imaging study or anything showing it ahead of time.

00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:06.480
<v SPEAKER_02>All they know is I don't feel well.

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.840
<v SPEAKER_02>And then you take out these implants and they're just covered in mold.

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.000
<v SPEAKER_02>There's you could Google it online.

00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.800
<v SPEAKER_02>I know uh, you know, this it's it's uh it's heartbreaking.

00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:19.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Well, you know, I talk about biotoxic illness, which is mold illness, right?

00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:25.199
<v SPEAKER_04>And I talk about hidden infections as making people sick unknowingly, right?

00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.079
<v SPEAKER_04>And then I talk about heavy metal toxicity, right?

00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:33.119
<v SPEAKER_04>And how that makes people sick unknowingly, and most alternative doctors don't approach it correctly.

00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:36.559
<v SPEAKER_04>Breast implants have all three of these warnings that I give people, right?

00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:41.360
<v SPEAKER_04>The hidden infections, you know, the biofilms, you name it, the heavy metals, the mold.

00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.679
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, my gosh, it's a triple threat.

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Like you said, um, it's a foreign body, right?

00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.239
<v SPEAKER_02>So that in and of itself, yeah, right.

00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:49.599
<v SPEAKER_04>It's exactly that in its own.

00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:52.559
<v SPEAKER_02>Even without those other you know, issues.

00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:57.360
<v SPEAKER_02>And you got this foreign body in the body, your body is responding to it like it should.

00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:58.480
<v SPEAKER_02>It's causing inflammation.

00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:03.199
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, from the minute that you make an incision, your body's creating that inflammatory cascade.

00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:14.079
<v SPEAKER_02>And then, like I said, in some patients, that inflammatory process does either doesn't shut off or you know, they don't have, like you said, the the compensation mechanisms to prevent the development of symptoms.

00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.599
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, you know what, like a new problem that's starting to happen.

00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.559
<v SPEAKER_04>And this is just in that same line of thinking, like, oh yeah, we should have thought of that.

00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Hernia meshes.

00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:32.639
<v SPEAKER_04>So it's like, so this became something it's like now people are looking for new ways to do it without the mesh because they're realizing it forms these huge biofilms.

00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.960
<v SPEAKER_04>It ends up disrupting the immune system, causing all these pathogen issues.

00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:38.000
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like, yeah.

00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:50.639
<v SPEAKER_04>So now I can't tell you how many cases we've had where it was like they get the hernia mesh out and like all their pain goes away, all their problems, all the it's like, ah, so like again, anything foreign.

00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:51.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Yep.

00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:51.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:53:51.599 --> 00:54:00.000
<v SPEAKER_02>I would, I would um reference anybody that wants to read a great article to this 2011 article by Talvert and um uh Schoenfeld.

00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:04.639
<v SPEAKER_02>It's actually called Schoenfeld syndrome, uh, after the last author in the link to him.

00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:06.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, I'll send I'll send that link to you.

00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:11.920
<v SPEAKER_02>But you know, that talks about the Asia that we talked about, you know, autoimmune inflammatory uh syndrome induced by adjuvants.

00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:20.400
<v SPEAKER_02>And it goes through, I mean, it goes through these one by one breast implants, hernia meshes, hip prosthesis, you know, and there's obviously others there.

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.400
<v SPEAKER_02>And I was like, it's all right here.

00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:22.719
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.360
<v SPEAKER_02>And this this was actually, this is a whole nother topic.

00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.000
<v SPEAKER_02>This was actually presented at the FDA not that long ago.

00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:29.679
<v SPEAKER_02>This, this, all this information.

00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:31.360
<v SPEAKER_02>And here we are today.

00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.079
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, you know, it's like right, it's not our opinion.

00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:41.119
<v SPEAKER_04>So I would because believe it or not, when you do things like this, there'll be a doctor out there that'll be like that puts in these and they take it very personal.

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:42.639
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like it's nothing personal.

00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:47.199
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like I I don't even criticize anyone's putting them in because they probably just don't know, right?

00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:51.519
<v SPEAKER_04>They just need to read that and go, okay, yeah, I'm gonna investigate a better way, right?

00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:56.960
<v SPEAKER_04>So it's not an impersonal attack against anyone's doing any of these things or putting in any of things, not a personal attack.

00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.000
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, I I hear this all the time online on your channel.

00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:01.199
<v SPEAKER_02>Like, and it's true.

00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.480
<v SPEAKER_02>When I was in medical school, you know how many nutrition classes I had?

00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:05.280
<v SPEAKER_04>Zero.

00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.000
<v SPEAKER_02>Zero, zero, zero nutrition classes.

00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.840
<v SPEAKER_02>And so, you know, obviously, like I said, to know better is to do better.

00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:13.920
<v SPEAKER_02>The science is always evolving.

00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.119
<v SPEAKER_02>We're not talking about, you know, the uh Newtonian physics anymore.

00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:25.440
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, we all know about quantum mechanics and you know, we're all energy beings, and you know, really what causes health, what causes sickness, what causes disease.

00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:34.000
<v SPEAKER_02>And uh, you know, I just think that physicians need to be open-minded to the possibility that if it's it may not be something that they learned in a textbook in medical school.

00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.199
<v SPEAKER_02>Mind you, those books are probably written, you know, 30 years ago.

00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:42.159
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, so a lot of these things take time to actually get integrated into medical curriculum.

00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:43.360
<v SPEAKER_04>So nothing personal.

00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:44.719
<v SPEAKER_04>Don't send the long email.

00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.039
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, we want to work with you, not against you here.

00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:48.559
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, yeah, nothing personal.

00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:57.760
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and and you know, there's there's all kinds of new research, new science coming out every day, and it's obviously available now based on you know all of the awareness on the internet.

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:20.079
<v SPEAKER_02>And so I think people that are serious about wanting to be uh, you know, the most uh progressive in their field, whether it's plastic surgery or anything else, that kind of goes back to thinking outside the box, lifelong learning, being receptive to other people's perspectives, and you know, trying to make the best decisions for your patients, even if it's not what you were taught in medical school and residency 20 or 30 years ago.

00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:20.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Absolutely.

00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:26.639
<v SPEAKER_04>It is okay to move from crap, you know, we didn't do great, let's do better.

00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:33.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, you know, I you know, I I I you can you could make a change and say, you know, I I've I've looked at and this is what I did.

00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:38.079
<v SPEAKER_02>I've looked at the information, and uh, you know, this this surgery no longer resonates with me.

00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:44.559
<v SPEAKER_02>This this isn't something I want to continue to do based on my current knowledge and understanding of the way that implants behave in the body.

00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:47.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Do you train are you training any doctors in X plant?

00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.920
<v SPEAKER_02>And you're yeah, so that's so that's actually kind of getting from pain to purpose.

00:56:52.079 --> 00:57:01.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, you know, one of the things I really like to be able to do is I've kind of thought about what my legacy, so to speak, is going to be, you know, moving forward after having recovered my health.

00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:10.719
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, for me, doing X-Plant surgery or being an advocate in the X-Plant space is probably the best way that I can use my resources and my talents to help other people.

00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.679
<v SPEAKER_02>So I really want to do that through the lens of service to others.

00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:26.159
<v SPEAKER_02>And so, you know, for me, being able to, you know, train other surgeons, and you know, I'm fortunate to be able to be in a um a healthcare environment where you know we have the ability to kind of grow and scale nationally.

00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:32.559
<v SPEAKER_02>So right now we have uh our our kind of flagship location in Rockford, uh, which I built you know from scratch.

00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.719
<v SPEAKER_04>Chicago and now in Palm Beach.

00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:35.039
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:41.440
<v SPEAKER_02>And so I'm I'm building the you know, the X plant practice down there as part of our breast implant illness centers of excellence.

00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:50.960
<v SPEAKER_02>And really the goal is to build this national footprint of experts in the X-Plant field uh doing um breast implant illness, you know, surgery.

00:57:51.039 --> 00:58:08.320
<v SPEAKER_02>Uh, you know, one obviously to help as many patients as possible, two, to educate the next generation of surgeons because I do think we're gonna see a shift, uh, hopefully, you know, with you know, younger surgeons coming out, understanding you know, a little bit more of the nuances of breast implants and how to manage patients with breast implant illness.

00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:08.800
<v SPEAKER_04>Dr.

00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Rob uh Whitfield is another pioneer here.

00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:12.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Great guy.

00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:22.159
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, we we've talked many times, we've got similar experiences in uh plastic surgery in Austin, Chicago and uh Florida, Palm Beach.

00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.679
<v SPEAKER_04>Um but matter of fact, tell them how to contact you.

00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:34.880
<v SPEAKER_02>So if if you're you know, even if you just want uh information about breast implant illness or X Plant surgery, we've got a great team of advocates both in Rockford and in Florida.

00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:43.599
<v SPEAKER_02>My advocate Laura is in Rockford, my advocate Yvette's in Florida, but um breast implant illness centers of excellence uh com is our website.

00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:49.679
<v SPEAKER_02>So from there, you know, obviously you can submit an intake form and we'll reach out to you and provide information.

00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:51.280
<v SPEAKER_02>Obviously, there's no commitment.

00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:59.920
<v SPEAKER_02>We want to just provide a resource and information for patients that are thinking about either getting breast implants or getting their implants out and kind of what to do next.

00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Is this the right surgery for me?

00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.119
<v SPEAKER_02>And you know, what are the things that I need to consider before I make that decision?

00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:09.199
<v SPEAKER_04>I think you know, a team of women around this, like Dr.

00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Katie Seuss, Andy Lou.

00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.800
<v SPEAKER_04>Um, she wrote the book uh Chesured Trust, yeah.

00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:16.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Amazing people.

00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:16.480
<v SPEAKER_04>Right.

00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:17.360
<v SPEAKER_04>And there's others.

00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:30.800
<v SPEAKER_04>I I I feel like you know, if I make the whole list skip anyone, but uh, you know, that's huge because they they'll hear it from them, I think, because they have an incredible story, you know, where is they're not gonna hear it from me necessarily.

00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:33.760
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, no, there's lots of great resources online.

00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:44.960
<v SPEAKER_02>You gotta just know, you know, yeah what you're what you're what you're listening to, because not everybody uh has all of their information validated by by science, you know, like you do and like some of these other thought leaders do.

00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:49.360
<v SPEAKER_02>So, you know, definitely do your homework, uh, get as much information as you can.

00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:51.920
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and uh, you know, make a decision that's right for you.

00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.280
<v SPEAKER_02>It's all about informed consent.

00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:54.719
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, absolutely.

00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:55.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Thanks for being here.

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:57.440
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, this is um Is that it?

00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:58.559
<v SPEAKER_02>We can go on for another hour.

00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, well, I I I was going to want is that it?

01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:02.719
<v SPEAKER_04>I was gonna ask this one.

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:04.960
<v SPEAKER_04>So I'm I'm because you said that, I'm gonna ask you.

01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.079
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, what's the bonus question?

01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.639
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, the bonus question is this you know, a lot of people are getting different fillers now.

01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.920
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, this is kind of like, you know, breast implants of the lips and the the best.

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:17.039
<v SPEAKER_02>You saved the best for last.

01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:17.519
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:18.639
<v SPEAKER_04>So what about that?

01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.360
<v SPEAKER_02>What's your so here's here's my opinion about that.

01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:25.280
<v SPEAKER_02>So I'll go back to what I said earlier, which is you know, the science is always evolving.

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.559
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, I think the issue with breast implants has been around for a long time, you know, going back to the 90s.

01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:39.199
<v SPEAKER_02>And so we have a lot more information about breast implant illness and you know, scientifically validated information about the potential harms of breast implants.

01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:55.679
<v SPEAKER_02>Now, conceptually, I think, like we talked about, um, you know, anytime you're putting a foreign body into the body, or you're doing anything to the body, whether you trip and scrape your knee, or you're getting a needle in your face, or you're getting, you know, a filler or surgery or whatever it is, dental surgery, doesn't matter.

01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.639
<v SPEAKER_02>The body perceives it as a trauma that causes inflammation.

01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:01.280
<v SPEAKER_04>And in But it's one thing when the needle's in and gone.

01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.440
<v SPEAKER_04>It's another thing when it's there and stays and stays there.

01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:06.719
<v SPEAKER_02>And so these are all what I would consider micro traumas, right?

01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:12.559
<v SPEAKER_02>And I would say, you know, the vast, vast majority of people uh have the ability to compensate for that, right?

01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.199
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, that's putting a drop in the bucket, and that's not filling up your body.

01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.039
<v SPEAKER_02>It's a drop in the bucket, drop in the bucket.

01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:24.639
<v SPEAKER_02>It's like a it's like a strenuous exercise, you know, it's an oxidative stress and your body recovers, and you probably aren't gonna have any symptoms from it.

01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:28.960
<v SPEAKER_02>But, you know, going back to my point, I think that should be part of the informed consent process.

01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:36.559
<v SPEAKER_02>I think that uh by and large, you know, most patients can have those types of uh injectables and procedures and and do fine.

01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.320
<v SPEAKER_02>Um a lot don't.

01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:39.840
<v SPEAKER_04>I used to hear the stories there too.

01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:49.519
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, it's really interesting too is like the filler because they used to say, oh, it just stays local and that thing, but they're learning that it's spreading out and they see it on MRIs, other places.

01:01:49.599 --> 01:02:02.960
<v SPEAKER_02>And it's like, oh, I I think there's a fine line between talking about something that's been now well studied and documented and trying to, you know, I I really don't want to, you know, have people be afraid of you know getting treatments that potentially help them feel better.

01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:08.320
<v SPEAKER_02>It's just about doing it in a way where they understand the risks, the benefits, and the alternative to treatment.

01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:16.079
<v SPEAKER_02>And I've never personally seen anybody that's gotten any kind of injectable that's developed symptoms, but you know, maybe we're not asking the questions.

01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, I have, but in all fairness, it's because uh they find me.

01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:22.000
<v SPEAKER_04>You know what I'm saying?

01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:23.119
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, there's something wrong.

01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.079
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, they kind of said, well, let me tell you my story, right?

01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:31.360
<v SPEAKER_04>So again, the I like I personally would never do it because I don't like foreign things in the body.

01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.400
<v SPEAKER_04>I think it's again, it's adding to the bucket.

01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:36.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Um, small or large, it's a stress.

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.599
<v SPEAKER_04>And if your body's already stressed, you know, forget it.

01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and I think that that goes to patient selection too.

01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.440
<v SPEAKER_02>So, and this is actually in that 2011 article I'll send you.

01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:53.679
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, patients that have a predisposition to allergies, personal family history of autoimmune diseases, you know, we know there's probably some immune dysregulation there.

01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.639
<v SPEAKER_02>Those are probably not patients that, you know, you want to be uh, you know, putting something forward in their body.

01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:03.599
<v SPEAKER_02>And especially, I'll conclude with this as it relates to breast implants and the injectables.

01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:14.400
<v SPEAKER_02>Um, you know, we've seen uh patients develop uh different kinds of unusual symptoms post-COVID, you know, whether, and I know you you talk about this, but that's a whole nother discussion point.

01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:22.480
<v SPEAKER_02>But you know, talk about revving up the immune system, whether it was, you know, vaccination related or uh just you know um having the virus itself.

01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:25.760
<v SPEAKER_04>It was a weird virus that our immune systems never saw.

01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:26.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Right.

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:33.760
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, we you we actually inherit education, information from our parents' immune systems, right?

01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.000
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, from nursing from our mothers, yeah, our microbiome transfer, etc.

01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.320
<v SPEAKER_04>And it knows how to deal with viruses, right?

01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:41.199
<v SPEAKER_04>Not this one.

01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.119
<v SPEAKER_04>We got no information from mom.

01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:53.519
<v SPEAKER_02>And so we see we've seen a lot of patients, and I think that's part of the reason that uh breast and plant illness is becoming increasingly popular, for lack of a better word, is people are more sick.

01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:58.639
<v SPEAKER_02>You know, when I was going through this and I uh talked to a lot of professionals in the wellness space.

01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:09.679
<v SPEAKER_02>I mean, their their clinics are exploding with patients with these types of symptoms, um, all similar symptoms, all post-COVID, uh, you know, quote unquote long COVID, a lot of these COVID long haulers.

01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.360
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, but but see you you proved my point though, of this, right?

01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:18.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Meaning that what COVID did is it brought people closer to the top.

01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:24.400
<v SPEAKER_04>And now all of a sudden, the breast implants that their body was tolerating, dealing with it, right?

01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.440
<v SPEAKER_04>Now it's not, and now the bucket's overflowing, right?

01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.599
<v SPEAKER_04>So COVID really stressed the immune system on many, many people.

01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:33.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Even those that weren't vaccinated, everybody.

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:47.199
<v SPEAKER_04>Everybody, yeah, just just you know, and by the way, I we were just on uh the last few weeks with a group of scientists uh that most of their research is in Europe and in India because they can, but it's called spike protein persistence.

01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:47.599
<v SPEAKER_04>Yep.

01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:53.119
<v SPEAKER_04>Where we're realizing that people who were vaccinated and people who just got COVID a bunch of times.

01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:58.880
<v SPEAKER_04>And it causes symptoms, yeah, and it they're producing these spike proteins continually, and we you know can't shut it down.

01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:00.480
<v SPEAKER_04>And there's things you can do for that too.

01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.239
<v SPEAKER_04>There's like spike protein.

01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:14.239
<v SPEAKER_04>That's why we're working with them because we're adding it, these spike protein detoxes to our program and our detox because we're realizing that they get so challenged, they end up with so much mast cell activation, et cetera, et cetera.

01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:20.079
<v SPEAKER_04>If we don't deal with the spike protein problem, then we can't get to all these other stressors and toxins.

01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:25.519
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, that that was one of the things they tested me for, you know, it's like you got long COVID, your spike protein's elevated.

01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:27.119
<v SPEAKER_02>So it's it's all comes together.

01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:27.599
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah.

01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:28.079
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah.

01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:33.519
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, and and this was so controversial at one point we couldn't even mention these things on social media.

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:34.400
<v SPEAKER_04>Not even that long.

01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:36.400
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, how corrupt is that?

01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:37.519
<v SPEAKER_04>A few years ago.

01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:39.119
<v SPEAKER_04>A few years ago, not even that long.

01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.760
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, it was like, gosh, if you said anything about anything regarding COVID, you're shut down.

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.960
<v SPEAKER_02>If you if you said if you said the V word, you're oh yeah, exactly.

01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:48.320
<v SPEAKER_04>Red flags everywhere.

01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.880
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like, oh my gosh, it's like you don't have a problem with that.

01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:52.000
<v SPEAKER_04>I have a big problem with that.

01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:58.320
<v SPEAKER_04>So anyway, yeah, this is this is uh a really I'm glad we ended there because that's a big a big deal.

01:05:58.480 --> 01:05:59.760
<v SPEAKER_04>But again, a lot of people don't know.

01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:01.360
<v SPEAKER_04>What's happened since then?

01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:02.719
<v SPEAKER_04>They got COVID right.

01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:05.519
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like you know, the vaccination, whatever.

01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:06.719
<v SPEAKER_04>And they're like, what is wrong?

01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:07.679
<v SPEAKER_02>What's wrong with me?

01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:08.719
<v SPEAKER_02>I just don't feel right.

01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:10.159
<v SPEAKER_02>And that that's what we hear all the time.

01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.280
<v SPEAKER_02>So, but thank you for the work that you've done and what you're continuing to do because it's really helping a lot of people.

01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:16.960
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, well, I appreciate it.

01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.400
<v SPEAKER_04>And we need a team.

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:19.119
<v SPEAKER_04>We need a group.

01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:23.679
<v SPEAKER_04>We need like Rick just said, we need environmentalists, people that go in and look at homes, right?

01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Because that's where people get sick.

01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:30.559
<v SPEAKER_04>We need a group of dentists who are dealing with hidden infections correctly and the mercury, all the issues.

01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.920
<v SPEAKER_04>And we need a group of surgeons like yourself dealing with it.

01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:41.920
<v SPEAKER_02>I think there's a lot more momentum and a lot more similar-minded um thought pro thought leaders than you know, maybe you initially anticipate.

01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:52.159
<v SPEAKER_02>Because, you know, I talk to a lot of people now in the space, in the holistic space, and um, you know, people are really into this, this, this uh non-traditional treatment for illnesses.

01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:56.719
<v SPEAKER_02>And um, you know, I think, like you said, three, four, five years ago, you couldn't even talk about it online.

01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:57.679
<v SPEAKER_04>Absolutely.

01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:06.880
<v SPEAKER_04>You know, my my only concern in alternative medicine and functional medicine now is uh it really has moved, I feel like, further away from getting to the cause of this.

01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Only because it's not easy.

01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.679
<v SPEAKER_04>It's not easy sitting across from a woman and saying, you know, it could be your breast implants.

01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.239
<v SPEAKER_04>Like that, that's not uh an easy conversation.

01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:20.320
<v SPEAKER_04>They would rather take the expensive functional medicine tests, right?

01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:24.639
<v SPEAKER_04>The the genetic test, the blood work, all of it, and then be handed us some supplements.

01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.159
<v SPEAKER_04>Like that, that that's a lot easier.

01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:27.679
<v SPEAKER_04>And people want that, right?

01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.800
<v SPEAKER_04>But going, you know, I think your fatigue could be your home.

01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.320
<v SPEAKER_04>I think we need to bring an expert in to figure out if the what's going on in your home.

01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.599
<v SPEAKER_04>Oh, wait a minute, that might meet, you know, that could lead to.

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:38.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Can I just buy a supplement to do that?

01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:39.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, exactly.

01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.639
<v SPEAKER_04>Can I just buy some, you know, or hey, you know, could be your breasts.

01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:46.000
<v SPEAKER_04>I, you know, it it's it's not easy, but dang, man.

01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.119
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like I didn't get my health back by a supplement, right?

01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.199
<v SPEAKER_04>It's like I didn't get my health back by a diet.

01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.039
<v SPEAKER_04>I got my health back by removing the interference.

01:07:53.199 --> 01:08:03.119
<v SPEAKER_02>Yeah, and it's it's like like like we said, it's it's not one thing, and patients have to be patient and you know, obviously go through the right surgery if they're suffering from breast and blunt illness, but it's everything.

01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.239
<v SPEAKER_02>It's you know, you gotta, like you said, get your cells working the right way.

01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.079
<v SPEAKER_02>We didn't even say like your favorite line on this video.

01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:09.440
<v SPEAKER_02>Fix the cell to get well.

01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:10.639
<v SPEAKER_02>Fix the cell to get well.

01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.360
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, because that's where real detox is, right?

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.199
<v SPEAKER_04>In everything we're talking about, like activation of the immune system, all these things.

01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:18.880
<v SPEAKER_04>That that's a cellular issue, right?

01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:20.239
<v SPEAKER_04>I mean, that's a cellular issue.

01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:20.880
<v SPEAKER_04>It all is.

01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:22.000
<v SPEAKER_04>My R number one.

01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:22.960
<v SPEAKER_02>Remove the source.

01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:24.399
<v SPEAKER_04>Exactly.

01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:26.000
<v SPEAKER_04>And it could be right here.

01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.680
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, it could be the breast, could be here, could be your home, right?

01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:34.800
<v SPEAKER_04>But we have to remove the source, and then the other R's are how you fix the cell to get well.

01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:40.720
<v SPEAKER_04>So, well, look, you need to share the show because you know how many people they don't feel well.

01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.640
<v SPEAKER_04>And it absolutely could be this causative factor.

01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:49.520
<v SPEAKER_04>Upstream, they're trying all these downstream things, and it could be you that sends them this show.

01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.039
<v SPEAKER_04>Like it always and uh add some comments in.

01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.840
<v SPEAKER_04>It uh it really helps us spread this information.

01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:56.800
<v SPEAKER_04>So thank you.

01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:58.399
<v SPEAKER_04>Another episode of the Dr.

01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.880
<v SPEAKER_04>Pompa podcast from pain to purpose.

01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:03.279
<v SPEAKER_04>Always look for your purpose in the pain, right?

01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:03.920
<v SPEAKER_04>Do me both.

01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:06.079
<v SPEAKER_04>Yeah, always look for your purpose in your pain.

01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:06.479
<v SPEAKER_04>That's right.

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:07.920
<v SPEAKER_04>No matter what, it makes you better.

01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:09.199
<v SPEAKER_04>So thanks for tuning in.