40s and Free Agents: Gregg Has Thoughts About DJ's Mock Draft 3.0

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Forties and Free Agents. I am Greg Rosenthal. This show is presented by Toyota and that is Daniel Jeremiah, the number one public enemy of the Public Library System of Southern California.

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Speaker 2: Welcome DJ.

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Speaker 3: Two things. Number one for those that are listening to this was Greg's ninth take to start this potasa. So that's the first part of it. The second part of it is like, who knew there was a librarian fan club out there that has just been all over me on social media. Greg has rounded them up and they've attacked with the vengeance. And I got to say, sometimes there's sometimes you got to fall on the sword and say I was wrong. This is not one of those times. So let's go on with the podcast.

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Speaker 1: We still have not heard from any listeners that have the Jerry Mark Bright book.

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Speaker 2: We will be looking out for them. This is a big show, Big Day.

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Speaker 1: DJ's mock three point zero is out. When you listen to this, you can go check it out. You can accompany that you're listening and look, how many do you get to in the end?

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Speaker 2: Is it four? Is it five? How many are we going to do?

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Speaker 3: I think we're getting close here. I think four or five. No more than five, so we're either one or two left.

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Speaker 1: Like, do you care about getting hits on three point zero? Does it matter to you now? Or you just care about that last one right before the draft you're trying to get hits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I could tell you that I don't care about any of them. I do. I wish I could say that, But the last one there is like, it's not that I hope to get, you know, fifteen, right, it's just like you have that in your head, like I just I mean, Mendoza hopefully one one. We're okay there, Like, just give me a handful, Like, just give me a handful of them, and then that's it. And then and then you'll see everybody that puts the scorecards out there and all that stuff. I don't really care about that. I just I'm looking not to be completely embarrassed with the final tally.

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Speaker 2: Oh you like getting some right?

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Speaker 1: And look, I had a problem going through this entire list because it all seemed too logical to me.

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Speaker 2: So we could go through it one to thirty two. That would be born.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk first about the changes in the top five. You have Mendoza first overall, But the first big change is Rvel Reese. I'm just gonna run through the top five and then ask you some questions. Arvel Reese, the edge from Ohio State, call them the linebacker going to the Jets.

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Speaker 2: That is a change. You had Bailey there before.

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Speaker 1: You have the tackle Francis Maui Noah from you know, going from Miami and going to Arizona. And then Jeremiah Love at four to the Titans. That's spicy and sunny styles the big linebacker from Ohio State going to the Giants at five. So let's go through these kind of one by one. Obviously, Mendoza is easy. Love at four is spicy. Is this because they spent so much on defense the Titans that is in free agency?

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Speaker 2: Or is it just best player available? It's both.

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Speaker 3: It's best player available, but it's also the fact that they went out and sign a billion guys on the defensive side of the ball. So I literally was just looking at this saying, this pick is for cam Ward, So who is the pick that helps cam Ward the most? And you know we've long discussed the running back philosophy and all those things, but I, to me, I just I couldn't argue for any other player that would help cam Ward more than Jeremiah Love. And there's also look, there's the there's the team side of it, and I do think he would be a dynamic player in that offense. That'll be fun to watch those two guys kind of grow up together. Would be fun. But Greg, they're going into a new building. I think it's a year way, So there is I always, you know, there's sometimes where you look at the team side of it, but there is some of the business stuff has to seep in there a little bit of Like, man, that's those are two fun. You know those big banners that the hang up of the players outside the stadium when you're pulling in, Like that's that's a little cell a sales piece there in Nashville. Put those two side by side.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons great player, beloved, I'm sure in Nashville. But when they did the Titans uniform reveal and the lead guy for it is Jeffrey Simmons, I'm just thinking this team needs a little more pop. Also, like, why is km ord to the side. He's your quarterback. Let's let's show some belief in your quarterback. And by doing that, giving him a big time weapon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Jeremiah Love would be a lot of fun there. I do think there's other pieces they need to add in the place. Offensively, I think they've you know, the thing that's going to be fascinating with them. And this is a longer discussion for another day. But when you overpay for Dan Moore in free agency and you're in a weird spot there because you're like, well, we've committed to him, we paid them all this money, but we also know that we'd like to be better at that spot. Like, at what point in time do you say, Okay, we need to get someone better there. That's a tricky place to be in.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you give him an offensive player. Because they spent so much in free agency on defense in a way, you know, they trade for who is Jamaine Jermaine Johnson, They have cord all Flat, they signed Lante Taylor, Jonathan Franklin, Myers gets money.

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Speaker 2: They get. They have a couple other like lower tier signings.

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Speaker 1: And yet despite all that, I would argue, you know, this draft is great at edge at the top. They would have edges on the board. Did you think about the fact, like, Okay, they have Jermaine Johnson's on a what you know, last year of his deal, and then Oladejo is the starter opposite him. So they despite all these additions on defense, they still aren't really that great at edge.

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Speaker 3: But to me, it wasn't what they did on defense, it's what they didn't do on offense. So it was just that they took the resources they had, and some of them, like you mentioned, they are going to be short term deals, but they they neglected the offense to a large degree. So that's why I'm like, you can't go an entire offseason and do nothing to really really support your young quarterback. And it can't just be bringing Calvin Ridley back that you know, Wandel Robinson, Okay, solid player, but they need more, they need more firepower for him. So that's why I went that way.

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Speaker 2: I love seeing Rvel Reese at two. You moved him up?

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Speaker 1: Is that because of how you view him or because of how you think the Jets or the league views him.

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Speaker 3: There's always a couple guys where I have the same grade on him, and sometimes you wake up on this side of the bed, sometimes the other side of the bed of who you like better. This is not about that I still have Bailey in my list over rvel Reach just because to me, there's more certainty. I've seen him play this position. I know what he does there, whereas rvl Reas has a little bit of that versatility to play in a couple different spots. I just you know, I kind of want to look, they're playing a thirty four. They want to be multiple do different things. I think rvel Reas, you want to be able to drop in coverage. He can do that. He can do a lot of different things. And I also think this is not a team that's all in on twenty six. This is a team that's got all these assets, including three first round picks in twenty seven. They can play a little bit more of the long game here and not worry about the immediate results you're going to get from this player. So that was the working theory I had. Some of it is simple to Greg, like, look, I've put other guys there, how does it I want to see the domino effect of if this then what? So that's part of the mock draft exercise for me.

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Speaker 1: Just to keep yourself mentally engaged because this show isn't doing it for you.

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Speaker 3: That's fair, Yeah, By the way, what is going on with your lighting back there? Looks like you've got like streams of lights coming out.

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Speaker 2: I am in the studio today.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're working around the Jeremiah schedule, so you know we're right, we're going right into a big NFL Daily right afterwards.

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Speaker 2: I got it to get into the studio.

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Speaker 1: One question though, Jan Reese, if he was with the Jets, I would make the argument, you might just knock out their their worst starter from a year ago, Jamie and Sherwood at linebacker, and he plays there and he.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't pay sure with a lot of money, I know, but he didn't play well because it's like aav I believe, according to NFL dot com slash iq, I believe.

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Speaker 2: You could just eat that loss because they have the cap space to do it. At edge.

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Speaker 1: They have Will McDonald, Joseph Asai Kingsley, and Igbari, so they actually, you know, do have some edges there. And you know there are people I might I might try to get Ali Connelly who's on NFL Daily, to join this show and have him really make the argument that this dude is a could be a generational linebacker, real deal linebacker that you shouldn't move him.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would not agree with that, but I think he can play off the ball, but I think his I think his impactful be better felt off the edge. I think he's a sick late. I think instinct wise, I think Sonny Style is more instinctive than him. You watch him next to each other. I think he sees things a lot better.

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Speaker 1: So you have Sunny Styles at five, that that feels a huge need for the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I like that. I do like how you guys are always about.

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Speaker 1: It's about the tape, it's about football, it's not about the combine. But then the second Sunny Styles gets out there at the combine, you're just like, oh, we got.

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Speaker 2: To put him higher on my top fifty. We got to put him up in the mock draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm just pulling it up, right, I'm just pulling right.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because my first list came out January twenty second. Okay, yeah, that's my first list. Sonny Styles was my fifth player. Okay, twenty second. See now Sonny Styles is my third player. So he's moved up a whopping two spots and I have him going, oh, look at that five on my list. What a gross overreaction, moves up two spots and goes the exact same spot of where I have him on my overall list. It's two spider, it's a cheap shot.

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Speaker 1: Two spots is a lot. You could view it a different way. He went up forty from.

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Speaker 2: Five to three. You know, it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: How much would you have to give up in the draft to move up from number five to number three?

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Speaker 2: That might be like a second round pick, a first round pick, something like that.

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Speaker 3: He's got the same grade. He's got the same grade. It's come on, now, that's just such a that's such a lazy narrative.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame me.

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Speaker 3: You see him in person, and to lump a group of people together, Oh you guys, I mean, giminy Christmas, Greg.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad now.

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Speaker 1: So let's do a section that I am really excited about today. It's all in presented by Toyota, and it's the picks on your mock draft that I think you right. We've only gone through the top five so far, so let's let's go to the rest of the ten. I'll just read them off for now. Carnel Tate is going number six. That's obviously the Ohio state wide receiver going to the Browns. You have Reuben Bain Junior going ahead of David Bailey, so Bain goes to the Commanders, Bailey goes to the Saints. Then you have Spencer Fanout going to the Chiefs as the second tackle off the board, and Caleb downs to the Bengals. I kind of want to circle back and say, I like the fact that you had Bailey to the Saints. I think the Saints would take either one of those edges, but if you look at the Commanders, they they could really use like a run stopping edge. Was that like the feeling you're getting from the league or more just like looking at the depth.

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Speaker 3: Job That was more just me looking at it, And you know, I'm glad. You know, first of all, Greg, at the start of the show, we're not going to go one through thirty two. That would be boring, and we're gonna literally go one through thirty two here.

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Speaker 1: No, I just went I decided you go one through. I'm not going to go the rest of the time.

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Speaker 3: But I think people are listening. If you're a fan, you want to hear it. It's like, there's nothing wrong with that. That's just where we are. But I want to there's a couple of things I want to explain on a few of these, and then we'll get to get to it. Cleveland is a gamble like it is, it is well expected, I'll put it that way that they want to come away with a tackle and a receiver with their first two picks, and then order of the operation is going to be everything. Now, the safe play is that you take the tackle first, because there's fewer of them and they need a left tackle. So if you're looking at the left tackles, truly, it's Monroe Freeling and Caleb Lomo. Those are the two left like play left pure left tackles in this draft. Procter to me, I think is gonna end up being more of a right tackle eventually, but you could have that as maybe the fallback out of Alabama. So I've been giving them a tackle and I think Monroe Freeling could be in play there, even though it's a little bit higher than I have him. But I thought, okay, if what if they gamble, if you gamble, take the receiver first. Take Tate, who's a great player and will really be a nice weapon for you offensively. Then I think that would lead them and we'll get to it later that moving up a little bit from twenty four just to get a little they might get a little antsy of we need to get one of those other two guys, so maybe they move up. So that's what that's the gamble pick with them taking tape. When you get to Baine, who you're mentioning. I like the fact with Baine it was Baine and Bailey in that spot for Washington, and then I look at Oway and Bailey is almost being very similar. You know, speed guys, that's how they play. Whereas Baine, I think you can use them on base downs on the edge. I like the fact of letting Bane, which he did a lot at Miami, kick inside in sub situations where you've got Oway on the outside, got Chase so on on the other side, and then you have Baine rushing over a guard next to Oway. I think that, you know, that's a way that he kind of can do that more than Bailey would would be able to do that. So that's why I fit him in there, and then Bailey. You know, with New Orleans that's just to me, by far best available. It's a need for them gives them a fastball. They've kind of got Granderson and they've got Chase Young. They don't have like juice, real juice coming off the edge. Bailey gives them that, so a little something that they don't have. So that kind of gets us through those ones. And then I don't know if you even got to Kansas City with Fano, but that's one where I said, yeah, I was listening to you trying to say the names properly, which is an absolute chore. But the fact that you have a need there at right tackle, he's played, he is a right tackle. He can go there. I think he'd be an upgrade over Sue Matia at left guard as well, if you you know, if you wanted to do that. And there's a relationship thing I do that you know, the Charger games. I've been at Chiefs games and seeing Kyle Whittingham on the sideline late in the year at Chiefs games because of him and Andy Reid have a friendship that goes back decades. They're very close. He's going to know everything about this kid, so uh. And I've been in the draft room with coach Read and relationships. I've heard, you know, when we're talking about players that he he values heavily, what his friends, you know, say at these schools. So that's why I had Fano going nine to Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: A lot to get to there.

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Speaker 1: But I thought you would give me some credit for getting Maunoa right with the with the side. You know, it's like Lil Wayne says, Gee's moving silence like in Lasagna.

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Speaker 3: You know, well, I just if you would have been able to spit it out within ten seconds and not looking down, looking up, looking around and trying to search in your soul for how to say that properly, I probably would give you some more credit. But no, it's.

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Speaker 1: It's more that I printed out old school like the list, but I got myn.

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Speaker 3: You pronouncing was like Charles Barkley's golf swing, That's what that was like. It was like you hit the ball, but it was a long time to get there.

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Speaker 1: It was like you trying to handle a pop culture reference from the last twenty years, which I just did with a little way that just whoop.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what it wasn't I did.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do TV with him though on nfilm.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't. Silk from from the nineties like R and B.

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Speaker 3: That's I would have Yeah, if you wanted to go H town, if you were knocking baits, I would have been all over that. But not so much.

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Speaker 2: Not so much.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Downs is he the.

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Speaker 3: For the Bengals. I got you on your heels a little bit.

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Speaker 1: With I was just like, well, I am a man in my forties. Caleb Down's at Look, they've been trying to like make up for Jesse Bates since he left. They did bring in Brian Cook, who's kind of a different type of safety. They resigned a guy named Jalen Davis who's been there for a while just as a one year deal, very low, who's probably if you had to start today the nickel in Cincinnati, do you see Caleb Downs filling that sort of role.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he can give you that versatility to be able to do that and to be you know, you want to use him as a big nickel. He can hang in there and do some of that duty. You can move him around. It's just to me, it's it's a versatile, smart defensive player from the Big Ten and specifically from Ohio State. Like this is just on a tee for the Cincinnati Bengals, Like this is. It's just set up for him and he's he's just to me, he's a total adult, Like he's going to come in there and just provide, you know, the leadership, the communication, just a real steadying guy. I think it makes a lot of sense for them.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Carnel take going too the Browns.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I pointed out on social media that, like, I actually I wanted to give the brown some credit. They signed for starters on the offensive line. I thought that would be tough to do. It almost felt like, Okay, good job, And then I thought about it, and you're still spending seventy seven million dollars in dead money and players that aren't on the team. You don't have much gap space, and you're still spending about forty seven million dollars in cap space on Deshaun Watson, and you've got a ton of holes on the roster. So I don't want to give them too much credit. And shockingly, there were a lot of Browns fans that were like, we don't have a lot of holes in the roster, like where are the holes the whole like and and I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just said left tackle and receiver. They're going to be looking for that.

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Speaker 1: I think they could use some safety help. I think they could use a running back. I think they could use a quarterback. I mean there are well, they.

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Speaker 3: Got too young. They got the two young backs in last year's draft.

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Speaker 1: They're talent, sure, but Judkins might miss. That's a very serious injury.

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Speaker 3: It was his injury.

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Speaker 1: It was it was the combo, you know, fractured leg and tearing ligaments where that that can really set you back like a year, and you can't you can't really count that. My question for you, though, is he the consensus number one receiver? Do you think everyone agrees or most teams agree that Carnel Tate's number one?

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Speaker 3: I the the I would say so. I believe the vast majority of people are going to have him as the top guy. I think the the It wouldn't shock me if there were some people out there who had Jordan Tyson as the number one. For me, I'm a little bit lower on him, just because I factor in the durability. If you if you just want to go purely off of the talent and the ability, you could make that argument, Like, I can understand why some people would feel that way. I'm a little I'm not quite as I'm not quite as willing to risk things in the first round. Ozzie Newsome was always a proponent of doubles, like, we're not going to swing for the fences, Like if you have somebody who has if you're comparing players and one guy's available, one guy's got durability issues, or one guy's got and this is Tyson. But if you got somebody with some learning issues and I don't, I'll take those shots and chances after the first round and the second, third round you want to roll the dice a little bit. I'm a little more risk tolerant, but not here. I think, to me, Tate is rock, so'll you know exactly what you're getting.

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Speaker 1: So I have two more picks. I think you got right. That's it, I guess no. I liked the lot of the picks, but two more that stood out to me. A key messador the edge rusher at fifteen to the bucks. An interesting name. Maybe different viewpoints of him out there, but they absolutely need an edge rusher.

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Speaker 2: What was your thinking there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean I definitely think it's a need for him, and I to me, knowing Jason Light, I know he values production so you've got somebody who's got he's got numbers to go along with how hard he plays and the temperament that he plays with, So you bring kind of a little bit of an edge to the edge position. And he's another one that has the ability to kick inside and rush, you know, inside over guards. Miami did that with both those guys last year. So I just like the temperament he plays with. And you know, the age, I don't I don't know that that's gonna hurt him as much as maybe some people would.

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Speaker 2: Think twenty five years old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna be a little bit older. But I just think you're gonna, you know, you're gonna he's gonna be ripper on, ready to go, polished, no development required, and he's going to step in and make an impact.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what edge that they could sign in the meantime. You know, Joey Bosa is still out there. There's a couple guys. Aj Epaness is still out there, Cameron Jordan. That would be funny after they went back and forth on social media, like cause I think they are kind of in the spot you don't want to be, which is they have to take an edge I feel like in the first two rounds at this point they might feel that way no matter what they do, but they might add one other uh signing, and then one another. One I wanted to shout out was your twenty seventh bick Kenyan Sadik the Oregon tight end, falling all the way to twenty seven. But I love I love the fit. I can see it on the forty nine ers. You know, how did he fall so far? And then what do you think about them taking like a tight end even when you have Kittle in place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always this happens every year where there's somebody that you think is, you know, like highly rated. Let me see where I have him on my top fifty list to get.

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Speaker 2: I think he's in your top fifteen.

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Speaker 3: So's he's my thirteenth player. But this happens every year, and when you're going through the exercise and you get by some certain spots like here here was I've long thought his floor would be the Chargers at twenty two, and people will say, well, you've got Gadsden, you went out and got Coler Like I'm like that this is a different type of player, Like he's just a different caliber of guy, and I think of a play caller like Mike McDaniel be able to use him and have a lot of fun with the creativity and how you could utilize him. In this scenario, I had Yowani, the guard from Penn State falling down a little bit. So if you're the Chargers, and I'll pose that question to you, you've got, my opinion, the top interior offensive lineman in the draft, and you've got the top tight end in the draft. I couldn't you have to take the interior offensive lineman where they are. I know they've paid Cole Strange and they've made some other investments there. They brought Penning back, but Yoani's on a whole different level. I would have a hard time passing on him to take the tight end. So that that was kind of the last hurdle which got him all the way down to San Francisco. The same things I would say about him playing with Mike Daniel, I say the same things I've been playing with Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: I like the Yuana pick and I'm definitely taking that because Daniel Jeremiah told me to. I'm getting the feeling that, like DJ is the shadow GM here for the Chargers. He's always nailing these these Chargers picks.

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Speaker 3: Now somebody did something. I don't know if it was them or the Ravens. It was one of the maybe it was the Eagles, one of the teams that I'm I'm often associated with. It was like, if you go back and look at his mock draft two point zero, he always has the right one in that one. Did you do this?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I told you about that, but yes, I was on social and it was the Chargers, and I went back and I saw a quote from you in the scouting combine. You think I don't do research for forties three and you called him your favorite offensive lineman in the draft. So of course the Chargers are going to take him at twenty two.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where they stand on that. The funny thing is, like I do. I've known Orties for twenty years and we're buddies, but I have other buddies around the league where we'll talk a little more openly about players. And he doesn't give me anything, so I don't. I never really have any firm intel. People I know think that I'm I am, but I promise you I'm not so okay.

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Speaker 1: I like to see you, to see you squirm here. All right, those are the picks I thought you did well on. That was all in presented by Toyota. We're going to take a quick break, and during that break, I just want the listeners to think about what it was like when when a young Daniel Jeremiah was was playing h Town you know on MTV, and his parents walked in the room. How he just scampered to switch the channel.

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Speaker 3: We'll just be back in a minute.

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Speaker 1: That that was an uncomfortable song to be on when it was like I came out.

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Speaker 3: No, the worst one was what was the one?

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Speaker 2: Let Me Lick You up?

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Speaker 3: And that was the one that was that was that was definitely the uncomfortable one.

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Speaker 2: Please put that into the podcast.

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Speaker 3: No, please don't need that right now.

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Speaker 1: Back on Forties and free Agents, presented by Toyota. That's why we had to cut out the X rated version, which included DJ singing freak me baby.

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Speaker 2: Break.

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Speaker 1: Uh. That's what That's what I'll remember when when I think about Forties and Free Agents.

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Speaker 3: When they shut this thing down and now from now.

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Speaker 1: The oh stop, look, some picks I think that you got wrong. This was a suggested segment, and so I just had to go for some We mentioned mauioa before. You have them at three your description, and you have them in your top ten. So it's a player you like, but maybe not that's not quite the value that you see him at.

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Speaker 2: When I read on.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah's description of him that he has a skill set to be functional in pass protection, I'm not that excited about number three. And my argument, my pushback would for you would be, I don't know if you've been hearing something specific that sure they have a need at right tackle, but they have a need almost anywhere else that they would be considering here, especially those defensive players. They could absolutely use an off ball linebacker. And I know they have players at edge, Zalon Collins, Baron Browning, et cetera, Josh Sweat. Those should not be players preventing you from taking the best player on the board.

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Speaker 2: So ultimately, I just think this.

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Speaker 1: Team needs juice, and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be looking at the other players for a little bit of juice at number three.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I'm gonna pull up something here real quick.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not even functional, yet you have the skill set to be functional.

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Speaker 2: I want I want a little more from the number three pick.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, let me, I'm pulling something. Okay, off the ball, here's an off the ball linebacker, six three and five eights, two hundred and thirty eight pounds. He ran four to three nine long rangey linebacker playing the slot and move around the deep middle. He's got he's got big time burst, just average take on. So it was an off the ball linebacker as a need. You kind of see that, you know, being a selection. Unfortunately, those are my Isaiah Simmons notes. And so I just worry about the ghost of the GMS again. I know, I don't care. It's organizational, and I just I worry about and I look, I have Sonny Style, I gave I missed. I whiffed on Isaiah Simmons. I openly admit that Sunny Style is a better player than him. But there's an off the ball linebacker is still an off the ball linebacker. And I think when you've when you've taken one high and you've missed on one at that position, even if it was somebody else inside the organization, that scared me off of that for them, and then with Maui Noah. Look, there's some tackles that are going to be more popular than the running back room, in the quarterback room, and that's that's where he is now. The good thing he's a right tackle, not a left tackle. You're going to have, you're gonna have, you know, there's going to be against the elite guys. You're probably gonna need to help him out a little bit. But he's a dominant run blocker and he's someone that you're not going to be able to get through his chest in bolin, which a lot of left ends are going to try and do and are equipped to do. So that's that's a that's what used to be. We would talk about right tackle profiles, left tackle profiles, and the left tackle was the elite change of direction, bend, balance, footwork, the rare athletes. The right tackle was almost more of a bully. And this kind of is an old you know, an ode to that era a little bit. So he's not perfect, he's not perfect, but that's you know, that's the logic of how I got there. If that makes sense too.

00:27:05
Speaker 1: The logic definitely makes sense, and it's something that I could see happening. I would just say, like, how about the teams that you know passed on Louke Keikley, you know, in that draft when everyone knew he was going to be a general, like they got their value, or the teams that passed on Kyle Hamilton for for positional value.

00:27:24
Speaker 2: I think you.

00:27:24
Speaker 1: Take you take the best players, and in this case, that could also be Jeremiah Love.

00:27:29
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I just got that. Yeah, no, I did to me. And they're just they're so far away from being far away. I look at also with them two things. Number One, the quarterback need is desperate. Okay, there's nobody that they can take that position with that pick in my opinion, But if you're in lieu of taking the quarterback, you'd like to be able to sell the ownership that while we might not be getting a quarterback, we are building the foundation to be able to support that quarterback when he comes, whether that's you know, most likely next year, in next year's draft. We have to be You're always trying to sell vision and hope in order to secure your professional Yeah. So if I'm if I'm MANI right there, if I'm money on for it, I be like, Okay, look, I can reach and take a quarterback. Just to take a quarterback in this draft, that's not the smart thing to do. But what I am going to do is I'm going to I'm going to create this cocoon so that when we do get the quarterback next year, he's going to be able to hit the ground running and off we go. It has to be connected to the quarterback. That's the hope of your franchise.

00:28:35
Speaker 1: I'd say you're saying they're far away from being far away. He's he's not a new GM, he's in what year four? Like this thing should be cresting. And if you draft an offensive or defensive rookie of the year, whether that be Sunny Styles or Jeremiah of or Ruben Bainn or something like that, I think that's going to be good for your your job security. All right, we'll move on Jordan Tyson to the Ravens. You said you see them trying to hit doubles. I do want them to take a wide receiver. This was more of a question of, like, convince me that this is the right move because they've got a sneaky amount of needs. I think on this team that the Trey Hendricks and Max Crosby excitement has covered up. They lost a lot of players this offseason. I think they could go in a lot of directions. Just convince me that this is a good pick for them.

00:29:22
Speaker 3: Well, it's not necessarily what I would do in that situation. And I do think there is a little difference in how the Ravens have drafted over the last few years versus maybe what they traditionally had done, Like Wiggins would not have been a Ravens draft pick, you know, ten years ago. It's a different style of player and.

00:29:42
Speaker 2: Looks pretty good.

00:29:43
Speaker 3: I think that's a good pick, right, yeah, yeah, But it was not the toughest guy in the room, you know, was a more speed athlete. Finesse of a player didn't really kind of totally fit the bill there. So they've they've drafted outside of their normal patterns a little bit over the last few years. And and with this pick particularly, I'm looking at Declan Doyle as the offensive coordinator, and I'm looking at what they liked in Luther Burden and the success they had with Luther Burden last year in Chicago, especially as the year went on, And I can look at Jordan Tyson and say there's a lot of similarities in terms of how they play the game and the style that they have, and it would be a compliment, a much needed weapon to compliment z a Flower. So a little bit of that got into my thought process there. There's also hey, this is the new regime. It's hey, we trust Jesse. You're going to be able to get the most to maximize our personnel and defense. We just spent on Hendrickson. Yeah, we could take mesidor right there. That was the choice between those two. But it was, man, let's get Lamar excited. Let's give him something here with this new young offensive coordinator. We want him to buy into what we're doing. Let's give him. Let's give him a weapon.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:30:51
Speaker 1: And speaking of weapons, you had McKay lemon being the second wide receiver off the board at.

00:30:56
Speaker 2: Two and let's go to our art whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

00:30:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not at at thirteen as the wide receiver too, at thirteen to the rams. So after they supposedly get involved in the aj Brown talks, they end up just drafting someone, which makes more sense to me.

00:31:12
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to your wide receiver four.

00:31:15
Speaker 1: I'm looking ahead Omar Cooper, who would be one of the biggest, if not the biggest riser in your mock draft. Not in the mock draft last time around. Now he's all the way up at sixteen. You also bumped him up in your top fifty in the last time you did it, although you had him pretty high to begin with than contests. I feel like Omar Cooper's having a moment, like for whatever reason, he's one of those guys, and maybe it's the league catching up, but he's someone that's getting talked about a lot more now than maybe was expected back in January or during the season.

00:31:48
Speaker 3: I'm looking to see now hold on, so I do. It is interesting to look back. So he was I hadn't watched him when I did my first list because you remember, he was playing all the way to the end of the season and was late to decide whether he was coming into the draft. So he doesn't make the January twenty second list. So February twenty if my first time he's on the list. He came in at nineteen. And then the updated version, as Greg likes to say, I get totally crazy and I moved him up one spot. So that was it was the nineteen that I noticed a wild jump there.

00:32:23
Speaker 1: It was the nineteen out of nowhere. I didn't know that he wasn't counted in the first one. But that was a good job by you. I think you were ahead of things. I love that fit for the Jets. They just traded justin fields away and it was a reminder how little they've done on offense during this free agency period. They've signed all these older veterans on defense, five or six starters, but on offense all they did was trade for Gino Smith. They signed Dylan param at guard, and man they need I would say at least one more wide receiver there.

00:32:53
Speaker 2: Although Ady Mitchell looked pretty good.

00:32:55
Speaker 1: Talk to me about, like Omar Cooper, what you like about him and that fit with that?

00:33:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like him a lot, and I you know, I actually have him over Jordan Tyson. I just think he's stronger. I think he's tougher. He's not quite as dynamic in terms of, you know, some of the releases and some of the stuff at the top of the route. But he's really good there. He can play above the rim and go get it. He plays bigger than his size. He refuses to be tackled. He is super, super tough. And when I go back and look at, you know, the receiver position over the last however many drafts. I did this study last year. I was like trying to find what are the what are some of the things that they share in common and why they've been successful. And I came back to toughness, and so I think toughness is an underrated thing when you're evaluating that position. I love how tough he is. So Garrett Wilson can give me all the flash and the you know, the creative route running, and Omar Cooper's you know, you're going to use him to complement that with just kind of a more rugged style of play.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Breese Hall, Garrett Wilson, Omar Cooper, Ady Mitchell, who I still have some stock in. I bought it, you know when he got traded, and I think he came through for the most part for the Jets is showing some potential Mason Taylor that that's not a bad group, that's a fun group.

00:34:07
Speaker 3: You can I give you a preview into the future. By the way, Yeah, it's gonna be I'm gonna I'm gonna predict that this is going to be a hot topic of conversation and it'll probably I'm guessing it'll kick off in the summer and definitely into the college football season in the fall. It's not me, but I'm just telling you there's going to be the discussion of will the Manning family allow Arch to play for the Jets? Like that's going to be the that's the Jets have three first round picks. We assume the Jets are not going to be very good again next year, they're going to be in the mix in that range. And whether it's the Jets or maybe it ends up being another team, but just because of the elis the Eli thing, you know when he was coming out with the Charters and the Giants, that's gonna be that's just such a talk radio like low hanging fruit. That's That'll be a story, is what I'm predicting. That'll be a story.

00:35:02
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that low because there's precedent, you know, But can't you just being yes, No, I think you're right.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: I think I think it's fair and I wouldn't blame the Mannings for getting in the mix. The problem is you got you got to find out who actually has those picks and if he actually is going to get drafted that high. But you're right, I mean, the the draft isn't all fair, and so if if the players can exert a little control like like Archie did back in the day, kind of a slate to your to your hometown there of San Diego.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: Well it worked out great. I mean they got Philip. It worked.

00:35:38
Speaker 1: They got Philip Rivers plus a bunch of picks. I think it was a good trade. They got a better quarterback. Giants fans don't want to hear it. I take Philip Rivers any day.

00:35:46
Speaker 3: That's all they go. That's my little sidebar, right, But don't you think like I would be willing.

00:35:51
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's happening. It'll happen, because whatever.

00:35:55
Speaker 1: Team's at the top, it's probably not coming off of a history of success, whether it's I'm just trying to think of the teams that would be that. The Cardinals, the Titan Titans obviously are hoped to be better, the Jets. We'll see, Casey concepts you own. If Omar Cooper's having a moment, maybe the receiver out of Texas A and m is as well plus thirteen picks. He was the last pick. The last time he did this did make your mock draft. This time he's nineteen to Carolina. I like this too because their lack of weapons stands out to me. They have not really done anything in free agency. What kind of receiver is he?

00:36:31
Speaker 3: Real dynamic? You know, if you just want to look at guys getting off the line of scrimmage quickness, you look at what he does his reial transition after the catch and then just like explode. He's got And I was kind of surprised when I was told like where he would be running time wise, because I thought this guy's going to run like low four threes. And I don't think that's necessarily the case. But he plays super fast. Issue has been the drops. He had seven drops last year. If not for the drops, we're probably talking about him in this range. And because of that, you're talking about most people think he's a late one, early two. But in this case, this was again I always work with different, you know, theories when I'm doing this thing, and this was my thought exercise here. You could say the Caroline Panthers off of a playoff, your number one goal is to get back to the postseason. I would argue, if that's one A, one B has to be able to be able to make a confident call on Bryce Young, and so I want to put the resources in place where there's no guesswork. We've seen what's happened in this free agency cycle on bad bets on quarterbacks and not having the proper evaluation on your guy. That's that can be difficult to navigate around. So I just think, to me, they need to put the pieces in place where one way or the other, you know, hopefully it works out great, he plays great and we're confident in him and off we go, or you look at it and say, man, we've given him everything and the play didn't tick up. So that's why I went with the weapon.

00:37:53
Speaker 1: And they've spent big money on defense with Devin Lloyd, Jalen Phillips. They did bring in Rashid Walker, so I think that's going to help their evaluation of Pryce Young. While you have your franchise left tackle u Kanmu coming back from an injury, you get a better evaluation with Walker at left tackle. But the weapons, I was a little surprised at the combine when I asked, you know, their their brain trust, including Dan Morgan about receiver, and they were like, well, you know, we haven't given up on Xavier Lagette, and we think Coker is going to develop. And I got the sense, Okay, maybe I do too, but I got the sense in free agency they weren't going to go there, and they didn't. And they also say, well, we're going to get you know, at running back, you know, healthier. We're going to say goodbye to to Rico Daubtle. I just they could use a little more juice. I don't know if they're going to be able to make that.

00:38:39
Speaker 3: That's where That's where I went there, all right.

00:38:41
Speaker 1: So Caden Procter was another guy who moved up into your mock draft. He was not picked last time Alabama. The Eagles take him at twenty three. That was the kind of the last riser that really stuck out to me as a guy who I think fits the mold for what the Eagles like in terms of big, strong and.

00:38:59
Speaker 3: Fast, and the Eagles address needs a year ahead of time. So Lane Johnson's back, but I don't know, you can't count on him to run out there for seventeen weeks. So it gives us some coverage there and also gives us the guy for the future. They've done that forever as always trying to get ahead of their needs. So that's why I had him going there. And he is one that you know, he's got a wide range maybe of any of the tackles and some of these guys I would say, not alone in that. But if you told me that Proctor was the fourteenth pick or the you know, thirty fourth pick, I think that's it's in this draft. That's kind of what we have.

00:39:34
Speaker 2: Kind of pick whatever you like at that position. The other day. Yeah, a lot of contents.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, so new names in your mock and everyone should just go to NFL dot com.

00:39:43
Speaker 2: See I didn't read him off in the end. We don't need to.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: It's an audio medium. At the end of the mock, you had Cashius Howell from A and M going twenty six to the Bills. That's an interesting one. The Texans who still need offensive line help even though they have signed a number of players, with a lot of people and a lot of people out chased. Besides just from A and M goes there at twenty eight. Caden McDonald, the defensive tackle, is now in your mock going to the Patriots. At thirty one, and then the Seahawks take Jendarian Price, a second running back in the first round. I feel like this would drive Seahawks fans like a little crazy if they took a running back in the first round.

00:40:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're in a pretty good position where they can kind of see how it falls. But I would say that, you know, as of we're recording this, I don't think they've really done anything. And they've got sharbon Ay coming off injury, so they need her back. And in this draft, in my opinion as I see it, there's a huge drop off after Price, so you've got love a little bit of a gap Price. Then to me, there's a sizeable like a full round gap before you get to the next group of guys.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: They did pick up Emmanuel Wilson over the weekend. I know you're you're busy, you're at the library with the family, so you know you're trying to get back ademics.

00:40:52
Speaker 2: So you missed, you missed the Emmanuel Wilson signing.

00:40:55
Speaker 1: I don't think that will prevent them from doing anything, but I think a nice kind of depth I for them. Let's wrap up with the guys that you know you probably broke their agent's heart. Maybe them too if they're locked in, you kicked them out of your mock draft.

00:41:09
Speaker 2: It's a big responsibility you have. I don't envy you with that.

00:41:13
Speaker 1: Keldrick Falk is the one that really stands Out'm gonna list the five guys who are no longer in your mock, but I do want to hear you talk about folk Falk what you had a nineteenth last time around.

00:41:21
Speaker 2: He's now out.

00:41:22
Speaker 1: Denzel Boston, who feels like just consensus wise, is falling a little bit. He's out of this mock. You had him twenty first last time. Peter Woods, the defensive tackle from Clemson. Malachi Fields, who you had in the mid twenties to Buffalo last time from Notre Dame is now out of the mock. Lee Hunter and Zion Young are both not in this mock. That that would be pretty surprising. I think if you finished with Rich Charles and everything on Day one and there's no Keldric Falk on the NFL network coverage.

00:41:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a tricky one because he's a real He's kind of a smooth mover, like of a he's not twitchy, so in other words, he's six', five he's, long he's got this ideal, body he's. YOUNG i think he only had two sacks this, year so the production wasn't. Great and then it's kind of a, tweener you, know is he undersize? Three is he just kind of a bigger? Edge how much pure you know juice does he have coming off the. Edge so he's and he's by all, accounts is a phenomenal kid who's like they rave about him at the. School i've talked to teams that he's played, against coaches that think he's the best player they played. Against so he's one of those ones where it hasn't all matched to What i've seen with my. Eyes so, look, you IF i told you that The cowboys took him at, TWELVE i wouldn't be. SHOCKED i, mean IF i look at WHERE i have him on my top, fifty he's probably in the early. Thirties maybe where is he at? HERE i have him at fulk is thirty. Two so, YEAH i mean literally he's on the borderline for me of you, know is he a first round? Pick is he not a first round? Pick but he's he's a tricky. One like there's some guys that are just if you're with the team and you know exactly how you're going to use him and he fits, us like you could sell that when you're in a generic spot That i'm, in it's LIKE i don't know exactly where he.

00:43:21
Speaker 1: Fits so do you want to edit out the like ten seconds he went looking up your ranking of, him or do you want them to like clean that up make you look?

00:43:32
Speaker 3: Better, NO i don't think It's i'm not ashamed THAT i haven't memorized WHERE i have these guys on my. List, no but people are.

00:43:39
Speaker 2: Listening it's an audio, medium but they could be they could be At.

00:43:42
Speaker 3: Yeah they're they're beating at there along for the. Journey if I've i'm doing this on the phone with Guys i'm talking to all the, time or on the. League, hey where you have this? Guy hold on just a, second and you know what the gms and assistant gms and head COACHES i talked to don't seem to have a problem with the. Delay But, GREG Whoa greg's precious. TIME i don't want to waste.

00:43:59
Speaker 1: That, YEAH i just wish you would allow that that song you're, saying what's it called? Again that that was the uncomfortable, one if a maybe SOMETHING.

00:44:12
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking, ABOUT a tough, one what you're referencing? There CAN i? Leave CAN i? Leave?

00:44:18
Speaker 2: YES i think we're. Done we're done, here forties and free.

00:44:21
Speaker 1: Agents we are in your ears every Single tuesday up until the.

00:44:26
Speaker 2: DRAFT i cannot wait for next.

00:44:28
Speaker 3: Year