Nintendo Keeps Copyright STRIKING Zelda Content & Suing for MILLIONS | Nontendo Podcast #49

Oh my god, it's been like a month maybe more. Yeah, you
know what, Yeah, yeah, because we did packs. We would at
packs in a hotel. It's been a while since we've had an episode together.
Yeah. We did Ah Barrio, but that was remote and we weren't
together. I know we did it. We've done a lot. We've done
a lot. It's got a lot. This year has been a lot.
It's just not been in Brooklyn. Let's get let's give it a rest.
We just haven't been in episode fifty call it no. The year Oh ended,
No, I'm excited it for what where finally out you have going on?
But we just got out of the callet and the miserable and the dreary
and now we're getting into room in summer and beach and Japan. I got
in my car with a jacket on, and I got out of my car
and it was hot. I don't know what happened. It's it's getting It
was one hour. I drove for one hour. It's it's like seventy eighty
degrees right now. Weather is getting nice. I like jacket. I like
a little light jacket. I like more pocket. I do miss wearing,
like sweaters and stuff. As we said, you're wearing sweaters seventy degrees freezing
in here. Good because we're gonna get hot because we're gonna do a whole
episode sweaty mm hmmmmmm. Has been a long year, hasn't been along?
Everything? Oh? Japan? Oh show me my sin because I'm a harbor
akya harbor mm hmm i ozako zaka? Was that making things up? Now?
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feeling guilty. I want them, Well, then they can they can have
they can have mine. I want this. So what's your address over there?
Buddy? This is my puelbox. Okay, get stuff over. I'm
excited because this is the first time we've in person, but we always do
it remotely. We always do remote Oh wait, why am Why am I
starting there? I'm just here because I gotta get this crap off. Okay,
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What do you want to start with? Because we got a lot of
stuff we want to talk about today, including that we want to quickly talk
about the indie world because we didn't get to on our channels. Yeah,
we didn't get to talk much about the indie world, and we have a
lot to talk about because there's some games that we saw that we liked.
Yeah, and we also thought the indie world. We always like to talk
about how people can't say indie worlds are lacking because they're all indie games.
Yeah, someone was a little lacking, and we have a lot of more
indie games that we think should have been in there. I have thoughts.
I went live and I gave my whole chat a pep talk, like,
no matter what happens, it's indies. Don't forget you can't complain. And
then at the end I was like I have to complain a little. Yeah,
yeah, but we'll get there. Yeah, we want to start the
show talking about last week's episode with point Crow. That was a great episode
that I had a great time. Yeah, and you know what, I
had a great time watching the chat react to it. Yes, yeah,
while it was there was a lot of people in the live. We had
to delay it like two hours, so it was like highly and was apparently
my microphone was not having a good day. Yeah, we had to fix
some audio. Were having a good week. I don't row out a whole
mic, and now I just have a crazy audio interference. Last night we
were playing Valt and it was still happening. I thought I fixed it.
You didn't barely. I did not know. You know what I did last
night? A crazy one V three up slight That was cool. That was
cool. Everyone was like, oh I no one could record it and then
we lost anyway, So one of us needs to have the shadow play instant
recording going on. I shot not I always I'll do it. The thing
is I always have it on. I got like an, I know you
should be the one I know. But then I go to stream and I
stream and record at the same time, and it always yells at me.
It's like, you got to tone off one of these as. So then
I turned it off and I forget to send it back just dual PC.
I did that the other night when I played a multiplayer Breath of the modild
game. Point Crow tied it back in baby. Yeah. So, but
the Point Crow episode went really well, and ninety nine point nine percent of
people I think had that kind of an eye opening experience of the situation.
I know I did. I'm a little upset at how we handled it.
I wish that we mentioned at we mentioned very close to the end about how
point Crow's mod doesn't have any Nintendo assets anything. We should have brought that
to the front. That should have been mentioned at the very beginning, because
that was people's most That's what a lot of people's criticism of point Crow is
that, what do you expect? He's releasing a mod? Yes, but
the mod has no copyrighted material in it at all. Yeah, you know
what, You're right. A lot of comments who were saying, what did
he expect? It was a mod still, And to me, it was
like, were you not listening. Yeah, but I guess you're right if
it was tucked away at the end and they were just too randy and just
wanted to get that comment out before they watched the whole ninety minutes of it.
Yea. Yeah, they're probably hard because I know that. I know
that, Yeah, and it's just obvious to me. I didn't even know.
I didn't even learn until the end. You know. I thought maybe
to some level there was an issue with the mod, but end of the
day, that's irrelevant because what they're copyrighting him for is not the mod.
So if you want to go after the mod, go after the mod,
don't go after his content. Which I said that at one point in the
video. Yeah, and then it wasn't until the end that I had the
realization once he explained it that the mod is actually fine too. Yeah,
so it doesn't matter. It's like a good example is if you've ever done
like a randomizer for a game, I know Jackson has. You probably have
too, right if you want to do like a Pokemon randomizer, So I've
never done it, about I know? Yeah, yeah, body try Biscus
does it a lot. The way you do it is you take the rom
which is copyrighted material. Yes, and you take a program and the program
just messes with the RAM. Yeah, program, it's not copyright of material.
Yeah, it's for Pokemon, but it's not being sold. If you
paid for it, if you bought it, that might be a little a
little weird. If the person who made the randomizer or in this case point
Rose mod, if they profited off of it in any way, there could
be some sort of legal action. But it's a free tool to This was
something you have already, So why is there illegal conflict at all? The
thing is I think they could charge for it, and it's going to lead
in what I was about to say. People in the comments were lining this
to game Genie. This is the same thing that game Genie used to do
back in the day and more recently. You'd plug it into your old Super
Nintendo cuts and it would alter the code of the cut and make it act
in a different way, make it easier or blah blah blah, blah blah
blah. That's the same thing that Breath of the Wild, the multiplayer mod,
is doing. It's just altering the code, but it's not feeding anything
extra in that's illegal. There was I believe a lawsuit with Game Genie.
I don't remember the outcome of it, but I remember Game Genie. I
think they got away with it. I think they did, but they fell
apart in some other way because that turned into Game Shark that turned an action
replay. Yeah, it's also just not something that has longevity. I mean
a physical game gene it needs to change. Yeah, like like it turned
into game Shark and then that turned into action replay. I mean there was
the closest thing it could turn into in twenty twenty three. Is literally what
yeah, is happening now with this situation with the community is building. This
is literally if they had cold It like Breath of the Wild Game Genie,
maybe people would understand better. That's part of the issue is if you're selling
a physical product and you're using other people's copyrighted material to sell your product,
that obviously is some sort of grounds to be sued. But again, this
isn't being sold. What did you do? Oh my god. I was
very welcomed the Game Genie into existence. I had this, I had this
one. Yeah, I didn't have a box. I didn't have it because
I was the rich kid. Yeah. I've never seen I found it.
There is and your parents at it. Yeah, along with the rest of
the nes live right, Dad, I used to throw out my video games.
Don't play that game with my dad used to throw me out. So
there there is no copyright and material here other than names like works on most
popular games for the Nintendo Entertainment System game Genie, and it just says jump
high er, infinite Lives, punch Harder. It doesn't specify the games.
Nope, I think that's point went wrong. Should just released point course multiplayer
mode. Use it for whatever game you want. You know now now available
with Breadth of the Wild more to come. Maybe you're you're reminding me um
Dolphin the GameCube emulator. This is not going to stand. Maybe the Dolphin
game emulator is now coming to Steam like it's being like legitimized. Interesting,
and they don't mention Nintendo at all in the in the in the description.
How way would you I think they call it something else, and they might
call they might actually call it Nintendo. I want to be really funny.
That would be really funny. The Steam page, the images for it,
Bob, No, the images are all fake Nintendo games like they have a
Star Fox look at us game they have like a picture about like a house.
Uh, it's They're very upfront that it's an emula. Oh my god.
Yeah, they're doing it for Steam decapatibility. These games look horrible.
Yeah, they look horrible because anyone looking at it, they're like, why
would I get this? We all know why we're getting this. Yeah,
I think it has a description at all. I find it interesting how in
the in the recent weeks we have dived so far deep into this emulation and
really really fighting for the advocacy, advocacy of morals and legality of the whole
situation. It's never a topic I thought i'd get this intertwined in, but
I've become quite passionate about it and the more I understand about it, mostly
with the point coust situation, it's just seeing a big glomeration, whatever the
word is, company attacking the little guy collmeration. I taught you a word
last night, dude, I don't need to hear it. I use word,
I use incorrect words with quite the veracity. That was the word.
There is no mention of Nintendo at all, not even a little nod in
the description. Okay, so and again it's perfectly legal. Apparently to the
release an emulator, especially in that way where they're not showing any assets.
Although I did see the wee pointer finger was in one of the screenshots.
That might be a little that might be a problem because I guess you can
just if you're a developer, you can just make a game for a wee
emulator. You could and just release it. You could. That'd be pretty
cool, it would be yea be a lot of time and money for something
that's kind of free. Yeah, but people do a lot of the time.
I mean, there's plenty of people who spend their lives developing emulators and
stuff, and they're not going paid for that. That's true, don't they
have like donation stuff usually, So that's where it gets kind of I wasn't
going to mention. I wasn't going to bring it up. They have a
Patreon for all their great Internet contributions, whatever those may be. Yeah,
so yeah, that's where that could be a reason to contribute. No,
but it doesn't have to be the only reason. I meant anything. The
last reason. Yeah, yeah, I forgot about it. What mud huh?
Go home. One could argue point Crow is benefiting through his content.
He's financially benefiting by making content off. Yeah, but the content itself,
I mean, it's it's it should be legal to make the game, to
to to mess with the game because it's his game and he's just filming it.
So what at what point is the legality breached? You know, I
don't think there's any point. I mean, we've already talked about it that
he has done any legal breaching. Yeah, I don't think so. Either.
He could he could be and he might have even have liked to this
guy. This guy told us he takes frames out of videos in the editing
standpoint, I don't doubt he's the same kind of guy that would rip his
own Breath of the Wild mod just to say here, I've done it.
I don't need to download it. I actually have my own. I wouldn't
be We could have asked him that, and I wouldn't be surprised if he
has actually done that. So he's probably playing his own game that he's just
downloaded his own. Nobody ripped his own mode for everybody just downloads came.
But this guy, this guy probably to be above board as much as possible.
One point, probably figured out how to download it. But the first
time he played. Definitely just agree definitely at the stop. But now I
wouldn't be surpised he has his own game. It's the distribution of the copyright
of material that is the issue. But I think creating the mod and filming
yourself that's playing it should not be a lot of people have said it was
like the Nintendo hates it because it's it leads into stealing. It leads people
towards stealing, but it's not the stealing exactly. And I on my stream,
I put that in a comparison of like weed being a gateway drug.
You know, are you going to send someone to jail? And they do
in some places for like having weedo smoking weed because they might eventually lead or
encourage someone else to try a hard a drug. It's it's a pretty extreme
example. Set Minority Report. What movie is that where they retroactively arrest people.
Wait, a Tom Cruise movie. They arrest people for crimes they will
do in the future. Yeah, it's like a whole big this. I
mean, this is a whole thing that in court sometimes lawyers have to argue
like they has not done the thing that's wrong. Yeah, they might lead
to that or maybe other people could, but or you can argue that it
could lead to that, but again I don't really, but that doesn't mean
what he has done is wrong, and and Nintendo just hating it and being
like, what do you expect? They just hate it, so of course
they're going to do this. What they're doing is wrong though, so why
are you taking Nintendo's side in this? We always advocate that you should buy
Switch games because they're you can actively buy them right now, so like,
there's no reason to steal stuff like that. I've never done it. There's
some games that aren't available for sale anymore, Sonic Advance, like Sonic Advance,
like a bunch of three DS games now, So those it's a little
bit more of a great area. But games that are currently available right now
you should support the developers. And the people who do download games off the
internet are usually the ones who are spending a lot of money. Like I
might download Breath of the Wild, but I bought it already. I might
have even bought it twice, so we all did We're really thinking about it,
like everyone in this room definitely did it. Yeah, so yeah,
I bought it twice. That's what I'm saying. So why can't I download
I have the game, It's my game. Wasn't he wasn't even just like
taking He wasn't even getting just a copyright for modern stuff too, because he
put a whole list on Twitter that was like like, these are the things
that I got my videos copyrighted for, and some of them were like not
even mod cons. Yeah, yeah, I actually watched Kit and Krista.
Oh that was another thing. Thank you. I'm glad you watched it.
There's a lot of moment saying just watch Kit and Krista. They explained why
he's in jail. I saw a lot of double sides. People were saying
they were they were heavily bootlegging Nintendo. In my opinion, uh, like
they were, No, I would I heard. I heard that they might
have. I love them, but I can see them taking the side of
Nintendo because they worked there for so many years. They probably have a lot
of the vitality steal. The only video that I think like that was clean
of any mods. That like, what was the side on getting mixed with
like a Bureau sports car. I don't remember the title of the but it
was like his first video, it wasn't moded it was just a challenge run.
But they're saying the thumbnail looked like it was moded, so it was
just grouped in and no one actually watched the video, which is totally understandable
by Nintendo. And obviously point Girl had to do the thumbnail like that because
that's what works. How was that understandable if you're if you're claiming someone's video
and taking their revenue from them, you have to make damn well, it
sounds like it's the right. It sounds like they're making the excuse and not
necessarily agree. It sounds like they're just saying this is why it happened,
not that it's right. Then they go on to say, here's what the
kingdom is coming out. You should have just kept your head down and not
made an He's all the content that's on you. That's a direct Can we
get a direct quote? It is paraphrasing. That is what a lot of
people on the subreddit set paraphrasing. But that is, like I believe Christa
said, like almost word for word right, That's what a lot of people
on the subreddsel And that's what I brought up during the podcast. Then when
I saw it was posted on the Nintendo subred. A lot of people were
bootlooking Nintendo in that way, saying, what do you expect, here's the
Kingdoms coming out. Should have kept your head down or part of the reason
I expect Nintendo to break their own guidelines and come after me specifically. Yeah,
that's what I expect. If I got hit right now for my last
mode video, I wouldn't expect it. I would maybe more now that happened
to Point Quower, but I wouldn't have expected. I was thinking about this.
Part of their end user license agreement is that you can't share the game
at all. There's a button on the joy Con for sharing. If you
press it one time, you break the end user license agreement. If Mike,
if I have a child and he's playing Breath of the Wild and he
presses the wrong button, he can go to jail at least ten to six
months months, years years, ten months to six years. So it's not
it's not like reasonable. It's not a reasonable child. No, I have
a little guys, this big very Harry, so if his name hit the
button, him could go to jail, to jail. I can imagine him
the battist just terrify shaking. Last night, Zim got caught under the blankets,
couldn't get out wait, and we let him do it for like five
minutes and then he started panting. Cat he would not do good in jail,
is what I'm trying to Logan hides onto the blankets all the time,
but we never make the bed, so if it looks like there's a cat
on the da sometimes I just like, well, no, yeah, I
jump on the bed and then I'm like, oh my god, I almost
killed him. Anyway, we're talking about going to jail. Yeah, then
again, a lot of the argument just against point crow is just what did
you expect? And I guess what we expect is rational content creator is to
not get hit for things we haven't done. The last thing I wanted to
say was because Tears of the Kingdoms coming out of people saying that Nintendo is
striking those videos because they don't want people to watch his video and think that
they can do that stuff in Tears of the Kingdom, well you can't,
which I think is completely unreasonable. Yeah, that's completely unreasonable. But doesn't
it come down to like the same a similar situation, like what you do,
how you mod stuff, and like Elliott right retro future. He mods
game boys and makes custom game boys, Like, wouldn't he be under that
same category? Like I am taking what you made and changing it. The
only difference is that they're not selling game boys anymore. Okay, that's the
only That's another interesting But I say it's the same exact thing. That's the
whole. The whole reason this is a big argument is because of the right
to repair, I buy something, I should be able to fuck with it.
Yeah, you know some interesting thought I had. You remember, like
H three, when they were going through all the court proceedings and stuff to
kind of argue fair use on the Internet because for a long time, reaction
channels would just react to content and the content themselves would try and claim those
videos, to take those videos down because it's our content. And the argument
was no, we are, we are transforming the content, were changing it,
adding something different. So they went to court over it. Ended up
winning the court case to say that hey, us reacting to it, chopping
and changing or starts, are stopping it's original. We're creating something new here.
If you want to, if you want to talk about Nintendo copyright claiming
these videos, which is what they have literally done. I don't think and
you mentioned this as a joke in the episode, but I don't think anyone
on the internet has transformed the game of Breath of the Wild and the content
anymore than point Crow has, because he's literally transformed the game in a way
that is legal. Yeah. But yeah, there's also like those mods right
where like put Shrek in the games fun and I see him like, I
love when point Crow does all those crazy videos get out of me Swamp,
but it just makes it seem like a point It's probably because he is massive
at this and he is the modern Yeah, he got targeted because he made
him on yeah, one thousand percent. Yeah, and that was the easiest
way for a Nintendo to take down. That's the only way. Yeah,
and that that that's messed up and it worked. Yeah, good job,
buddy. Let's keep talking about Nintendo want him because they also struck down my
friend Agte for one of his videos I forgot about this and what happened and
a way to get to watch it and a way less egregious act of copyright
claiming. I think this, I think this time, and I told you,
I told show on this because he messaged me. He's like, hey,
they just did this, I'm gonna make a video, And I was
like, okay, I think you should because easy views. But this time
they kind of have a riot. If I got a video taken down side,
if I got a video taken down from Nintendo, I would have immediately
make a video because because it is it is a great video to I have
been hoping the last fe year. That's the best defense is I'm making this
video because if they take it down, I have another video ready to go
right on the deck. You know, he had a video copyright claimed.
I believe just claimed to not strike. I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I
was just claimed. I'm pretty sure because he went over the footage of the
leaked breath of the Tears of the Kingdom trailer, So right immediately after the
ten minute look at Tears of the Kingdom that we had. Immediately after,
I was getting several dms from people saying, hey, have you seen this?
It was the commercial? Right commercial? Yeah, some commercially watched it
on stream? Did you I put it on my stream and you were in
the chat. I think, yeah, I just straight up put it on
Twitch because I don't give a shit about Twitch. Twitch gets taken down whatever,
I'm gonna get a vacation. I think that's different because it's live,
whereas if you put the video, it's harder to it's harder to wait.
I might have actually gotten the acclaim on Twitch it's harder to take a Twitch
stream down video not a plane, but like the audio gets like. So,
what this was was an official commercial. If you've seen any of the
Nintenno switch commercials where it's people playing and they're like, oh, you squished
my mushroom, and then they're sitting on a couch and then it flips of
the camera does a nice flip around to the mushroom kingdom, and then it
like pans to the next game, and you know that cheesy stuff. They
did one for Zelda. UM. I don't think it's even officially released yet.
I don't know when they're dropping that commercial. But it leaked on Reddit
immediately after the ten minute gameplay um, and so people started covering it,
making videos about it, and obviously Sean a day or two after it leaked,
made a video going over it. Bob himself looked at it in a
video. I didn't touch it with a ten foot poll, mostly because one,
I didn't want to make a video on a thirty second commercial, but
two, there was only a couple of shots that were like not already seen.
I still don't know which ones weren't. It's not it was nothing crazy,
it was nothing important. Ye worth watching it all? He put it
in his video in the tent ocock right claimed it took the video down,
and I never I didn't watch his video. I'm sorry to say. I
don't know if anyone I'm offended. I wanted to when you brought it up,
Busy, you know I've been making up. I'm making snow cones again.
We gotta have RGT on here spring. We talked about he lives in
Connecticut. Yeah, I don't say that. It's public about right on the
table between you want to get him, I'll tell him to get on him.
Call he'll come. Don't call him. I can call him right now.
You're not talking about him. Do not call him. I can call
him right now. And Ethnodes video was strict or claimed? Aren't we pretty
sure it was just claimed? I don't know whyt way to find out?
Do you actually mean friend? We're pretty good friends. Show his number on
camera yeah, do that. Yeah, I'll call him on Facebook. So
he was just saying that. I mean, I guess he posted a video
on the commercial and just said that it was claimed. Okay, I mean,
yeah, what do you expect? It's gonna be just potty if he
doesn't answering the thought. Damn, I thought you guys were friends. I
thought we would too. I could try calling him, everybody, call everyone,
call him at once. I got gole his fun. I just didn't
want to dux him. But I guess we are also recording. Are you
calling his discord now? I'm calling you? We message on Facebook. That's
weird. I know him and Kim are the only two holdouts, like high
school friends. I know. I didn't answer anyway. He got he got,
he got claimed. What do you want? Do you want a fucking
guy? I have a question? The politics A old rung on Twitter.
They're not good on Facebook on what's your question? Jack? Does r GT
have an Android or an iPhone? I don't know. I don't text him.
Sounds like an android. I think everyone that uses and Facebook Messenger still
has an Android. That is so interesting because when I had my andreid's a
long time. Yes, I only use kale and to talk to other people,
I would use Messenger. I had to download Messenger. Just text him.
No, I agree, that was the thing that makes sense. I
told him to call me. Maybe we can circle back to it. But
yeah, he got claimed and yeah, this this, this is an example
of what the other people think. This is the example for point Crow.
Yeah. But now we're on the other people's side. Well, because it's
actual copyright claim, yeah, claiming that they Nintendo has never said you have
the right to re upload our commercials, right, and he's re uploading their
commercial and they've claimed of a copyright. Is it a crappy thing to do?
I would say yes if it wasn't for the fact that it's an unreleased
commercial, right, So they're just they're protecting their their copyright. Yeah.
I think that's completely fair in this case. And they're not going after his
whole channel. They haven't given him a stress. Still don't. They haven't
wrote together twenty different videos. I still don't like it, but I could
see where they're coming from, whereas in the point situation, I can't see
the perspective where it makes it. In his case, it could be an
automated claim. Yeah, no, probably, whereas the other one was very
clearly targeted. Yes, but was was the video was it wasn't just a
reupload like he was reacting to it? Right? I would again, I
would if this commercial was out publicly released, he would be in his rights
to do it, and it would be insane and intended to take it down.
I think it's because it's not out yet. They're trying to protect,
trying to get it away until they are ready to think from a legal standpoint,
if you're like, uh, like the H three thing is like legal
precedent, Like you're gonna have an easier time like defending using someone's like you
know, just watching a video or reacting to something versus like making a mod
for something, because it's like a totally separate kind of thing. You know,
I used the HAT three. You mean reacting to it is transformative?
Is that what you're saying? Because the legal precedent that's established from the Age
three cases that reaction doing a reaction content is transformative content. Well, that's
the thing with fair use is that it's a case by case basis. You
have to look at it and decide, like, because there are people who
straight up just like sit there and eat their chili while they led a YouTube
video play and then they go, oh, that was funny, and like,
that's not transformative. That example was to explain transformatism when it comes to
the games. But also with the Hates three case, there was no set
guidelines for what they're allowed to do, whereas in point Crow's case there is
and he was following them. So Hates three's case was it was loose to
explain the transformative nature of things, but even more so in Point crows side,
he was following guidelines that were set by the company or have a legal
president already, you know, fairy use. It's a little more amalgamous because
of how you have to watch the thing and decide how transformative it is.
Who's Gary Bowser that is there here for Gary'll talk about that at the end,
But that's the guy who got arrested for he was part of a team
that uploaded a lot of rams and have like a rom website. He just
got out of jail. Oh but how long was he in jail for?
Not that long? Like a year? Maybe that's fine, but twenty five
percent to thirty to thirty percent of his income for potentially the rest of his
life will go to Nintendo up to ten million dollars. That's what I read.
Yeah, that's why when that earlier I was like, this is I
guess we're talking about it now. He's he started paying it off while he
was in jail, because you can have a job in jail, but you
work for literally pennies. He's paid off one hundred and seventy five dollars so
far. He's doing good. He's doing great. I mean every every dollar
accounts. So they just royally screwed him. That's intense. The problem though,
is that they had a rom website and they were profiting. They were
selling like they were selling there was something like a subscription of the website or
something. They were profiting in like a weird way. They were selling access
to the hack that they had for the Nintendo Switch, and they were selling
the thing that you put in the Joycon rail to hack the switch. I
think they were also selling ROMs. They were probably all selling. Yes,
that's I mean, you can't defend. I mean I wasn't ready to defend
anyway, because we've already talked about the legality of rooms and that they are
illegal. So if you're selling RUMs. I mean, if you're if you're
distributing RUMs in general, you're breaking I think it's even I think one of
the main things was the hack, but you call team you can't sell the
hack all understanding, there's more to it as well. Gary Bowser was a
very low level employee on Team Exeter, that's the hacking group that he was
a part of. He took the heat, he took the fall for like
everybody, because he was his name Bowser right way, Doug Bowser is a
typo and a minute. I was shocked when Doug Bowser came out of the
woodwork, apparently as a Bowser that was running Nintender. Now there's another secret,
shady Bowser that's working the underground Bowsers bower. Oh my god. So
he was sentenced Okay, Bowser pled guilty to two of the charges and was
sentenced to first a four point five million fine and later a ten million dollars
additional fine. So he's fifteen mill down right. Yeah, he got let
out early for good behavior. He wasn't he wasn't uploading problems in jail.
I can imagine he gets held back mall. He claims that he was just
like a low level employee. Yet there was like three of them. It's
three guys, yeah, Max Luran the lowest level. I think they were
all in other countries that they couldn't grab. But he was in like Puerto
Rico or something. He's now he's in counting. Gary Bowser is a Canadian
citizen. Where was he when he got got Canada? I thought he was
in like Puerto Rico and I thought they extradited him Canada. He was in
Tacoma, in the detention center. That's where he went to. That's where
he served. Yeah, okay, says Should Bowser find a job at home
in Canada? Says he'll paid again? Oh? Here he is, Doug
Bowser. Well, yes, I'm currently recording the non Tendo podcast. Hey
are you doing very in the episode? How you doing? Oh I'm doing
good, man, I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. It's a
pleasure. Yeah. I got a couple of questions for you about your video
and also about something else, but we'll get to that. You. Uh,
you got copyright claim not striked? Right? No, I got striked.
Oh that's worse. That is worse? Has that so you uploaded your
video? Have has that resolved? At all. Has anything happened there an
emotion? No, it's just been the video has been taken down. Okay,
I got a strike. How much of the of the commercial did you
show in the video? Just kind of in total, the entire commercial,
but not in one felse with So it was like watch two seconds pause and
be like, oh, yeah, you know this is what's happening here.
And it was windowed, meaning that it wouldn't be able to get caught by
any copyright because I've used the I didn't download it directly off of Reddit.
I used the Reddit thread, so Reddit was up in that video. So
do you think it was an automated thing or you think they know it was
a manual? It definitely wasn't automated. What makes you think it was manual?
I agree, I think it's manual. Yeah, somebody from an a
ton of America watch that video. What makes you think that? Because,
I mean, he does it a lot these reactions to like things like this
and hiding behind copyright, But I've been doing the same thing for a long
time, chopping, changing, windowing, that kind of stuff usually doesn't get
flagged. It usually has to be a manual. Review. You think you
think it's definitely because you just did it early, right that the commercial hasn't
released yet, has it right? Well? That that was the things like
if I had just uploaded the whole commercial. Okay, you know, I
get it, and I even understand it a bit with this, I just
find it funny that the source, which is the Reddit thread that has that
commercial, it's still up and never got hit with which you can do Reddit
very easily. Maybe they have less they have less power there. I mean
they've shown they can flex copyright system power pretty easily. No, because Reddit,
you could have stuff DMC and all the time thing you can delete it
because of that, So I think it's probably just as equal. Like I
literally feel like they were just looking through people's videos who talked about and the
thing is I didn't even like mention the commercial and the title of the video.
They do seem to hate YouTube specifically. It's just easy on YouTube because
there's a button. Yeah, I got to take this video downsart me.
It's just a few h okay, thanks for clarifying that. We want to
show if it was strike with copyright claim, um, it's strike. I
had to go to the fucking copyright school, so you have ninety days before
that strike disappears. Correct, gotta be a good boy. Would you ever
come on the podcast? Was the last question. You're pretty close, right,
Would you come down to Brooklyn? Yeah? No, nope, I'll
have to tell you that, but it's in Brooklyn. Would yeah, I
could do that sometimes. Okay, we'll figure that out. We'd love to
have you on, all right, Yeah, it'd be fine. All right,
thanks for taking my cool buddy noble bye. But he's like, what
the fuck just happened when we call them all the time. When I'm filming,
wind going the video doesn't do anything? No, it does no,
no, it does no way wind around it. You cut it up as
well, blur that. I was actually wondering if it helps better because it
helps it helps putting, making it smaller in the frame. I don't think
there's anything that's that's so easy to have You ever tried watching like w W
E matches that get re uploaded online. I've seen the one that's how they
always do it. It's like in a corner and then the rest is blood
and they get away when they do that, and it moves. That works
when it's very slowly moves like the freaking DVD screen. Yeah, I've never
seen that. It does that. It's in a corner, very slowly moves.
That works because they just do it like family guy in the Simpsons.
For some reason, I watched those even though I have Hulu, and like,
I literally like, it's just like last time I was on TikTok just
watching TV. I s a family fever. It's like Rose Simpsons, Marge
takes out alone and Peter gets arrested. Peter wait, and you're like,
wait, this this makes no sense, But then you watch the whole episode
on that point too. It's weird. I don't know why. You just
got used to kind of like it. It's very weird. The thing with
Sean is this is kind of his whole thing is reacting to things and chopping
things up and end of the day, the way he chops it up the
way I would do it too. You wouldn't even need that at that blood
thing, that's just an added extra layer. It's the five seconds back to
me, five seconds back to that should be that confuses the order. That
should be enough. Yeah, it's so it's definitely someone that's found it and
they've done a manual claim. I I think so, I think so.
I think there's a way of telling in the back end says it but but
but it says manual claim most of the time. Even if it's not a
manual, I would it would be wild if it was also to go straight
to a strike, because usually automated is claimed. So, yeah, you're
right, you're right to go straight to a strike. It makes me think
a manual too. Anyway, speaking of Nintendo and how great they were talking
about any stuff, Yeah, we didn't talk about the indie thing. Yeah,
no, let's talk about some good stuff Nintendo does. Yeah, because
I love well and then we didn't like the indie world anyway. Sorry,
let's start with the good became a list of all of the games. Do
you want to just talk about the ones that we actually cared about, Let's
do it. But I want to say I do still love that Nintendo do
these indie worlds, that they give these indies a platform. It's something that
no other company does, end of the day. That's why I get a
little annoyed when they get such a hard rap or when people hate them because
there's no silk song, because it's just indies. They're just showcasing indies.
That's all it is. They're giving these tiny studios a platform and a showcase.
It's not supposed to be about big reveals. It's not supposed to be
the most exciting foaming at the content. It is just giving them a platform.
Hey, this one's releasing today. Check it out if you like it.
That's all it is. So I think I was most disappointed about this
indie world because straight into disappoint Yes, because we know of a lot of
indie games that are coming out that are better than some of the ones that
we saw, or at least that were more excited about that. West spoiled,
I would say, because we got to go to packs recently, and
when you're standing on the show floor, you're literally looking at all the games
that are coming out soon. And there were half of them I'd never even
heard of before I went to packs, and then I saw them in the
indie director and I was like, oh, yeah, I've played that.
So it was a little different for us. I'm sure most people without the
aid of the ground on indies would have been surprised by a lot of things.
I was surprised by the West of Loathing or the whatever that was the
old game. They made a sequel that's called Yeah, whatever the sequel is.
I didn't know they're making a sequel, so that that was the best
part for me. I was also disappointed because they said bomb Rush Cyberfunk in
the sizzle reel and she did with the sizzle and dropped the Yeah. Usually
they have like a one more than they were just like, now you don't
get anything. They had a date for Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. Everybody's excited for
that game. Everybody wanted to date, and they were just like here it
as quick. Yeah, that's why you get nothing else. I didn't even
notice. And then they put it in. They had like a little flyer
with all the logos and Bomb Rush Cyberfunk was there, and I was like,
you don't get to do that. You gave it no attention during the
inny world. I didn't even notice that had a date initially because it went
by so quick in the sizzle reel, and then people in my chat were
blowing up like we got a date, and I was like, no.
Twitter day I look back, I was like, oh my god. Twitter
went nuts. To all all the like news sites I followed, they all
were posting about bohmers, So I think that's why they did it a little
like let's put it here. People will complain, they'll blow up, and
then I don't know why they would do that. They know people are excited
about that. I mean, we've had whole conversations with Liam and people about
trying to get into the directs and taking what you can and ending up in
this sizzle real and never knowing if Nintendo's gonna focus on you, we'll throw
it with a point real, that's a good point. Yeah, So you
don't actually know what's gonna happen. Maybe they just got thrown in. This
is even weirder because they know they're announcing the date, Like why would they
Why would Nintendo just delegated to us? Didn't think people care about that game
as much as much as they do. That's great, That's insane. That
is insane. I just can't think of any other reason bomb Rush upafunk.
By the way, if I just say that correctly, Rush cyber fun.
For those that haven't seen it as a spiritual successor to like jet Set Radio
Jets, fine, we've been talking about it and it looks the same,
but like good, Yeah, it looks, it looks sick. It looks
very much the same yea, And people are very excited. It's a cult
classic son out of an indie director, which is mostly new things and new
ips and fun little quirky projects and you never know, oh you know,
it's all new. This is one of them things that it's new, but
it's also a throwback. It's also something hype that a lot of people can
get excited for us. This is one of the big indies. Yeah,
it's a big indie. They should have given it a little bit more focused,
I think, and it would have helped the indie direct stand out a
bit more. But there's also a lot of cat of games. There was
a lot of cat games. You know. It's funny. We we went
through a farming director recently and this seemed to be a cat director. It
started with two farming games and I was like, here we go again.
But then it was cat game, Cat Game Kat one of them looks really
fun? Which one the one? I tweeted, I don't know what it's
called, so you want me to just go through them? We got Maneko's
night Market that was the first one. I'm pretty sure that's that game has
been in indie development. Hell, I feel like I have been talking about
that game for about four years, and it's a farming sim, life sim
kind of game, and I actually look forward to it. Okay, that
next one was my time at sand Rock. I don't remember that one.
My time at Porsche was also a life sim, farming sim. It's kind
of like Stardoo Valley, and this is a sequel. It looks to improve
on my time at Porsche, but my time at Porsche ran like crap on
the switch, So I don't know. I might miss this one. I'm
not sure. Next was played Up, which Jackson's very excited about. Yes,
he's been wanting to get me to play played Up for a long time.
It looks like Overwatch Overwatch. It looks like over Watch without the guns
and with cooking. Yeah right, it looks like Overcooked if you could buy
upgrades for your kitchen and build convey your belts and try and make things easier
for yourself. It's it's very cool. It's a roguelike cooking game. Okay,
that's actually which is such an insane thing to say, But the emphasis
on the game is automation and all the crazy cantrappions. You can make machines
do all the cooking for you so you can focus on serving the guests in
your restaurant. It's very cool. And there's actually Twitch integration too, and
the guests can be your Twitch chatters. That's cool. That's that is cool.
Well, it would be Twitch integration on Switch probably not um how many
players is it for? Trying to get it? I asked everyone. I
didn't know. I didn't know about the Twitch integration. I also didn't know
it was age twitch the Twitch integration. I sounds of hate overcooked. I
do too. This is fun. The reason why I hate overcooked is because
it sucks. No, it's because it doesn't. It doesn't matter how good
you do, other people can screw you up. And unless everyone's doing as
good as you, you can never hit the full star rating. And I
always feel like I'm unfinishing every level and just giving up and moving on.
And I don't know it. Bothers my OCD you can and then me and
Kim try and play it. You can never get all stars with just two
players. You need more help. So Kim's always like can we play?
And I'm like no, because we'll only get two stars. You can solo
run um played up and complete it. Complete a run very easily. So
let's do it. Let's play it. Let's do it. Let's play it.
I'm gonna stream it, Goanna stream it. I'm interested in the Twitch
integration. We wouldn't be playing it on Switch, but yeah, I want
to know what. I want to see how that works. It's very lame.
Basically, it just says like, yes, him, I want to
play. Okay, do you have three friends? Oh my god, holy
god, damn step it on that. It's a one plus three. It's
definitely four. I've played with four. I know it was. I want
to get through, and I'm glad you said that. Quilts and Cats of
Calico, this looks like a yeah, like a what do you call it?
The Sellers of a Katan? Yeah, it might actually be more fun
than it it might look. But other than the cat chom, I wasn't
really sold on that one. Next is one you played at packs Rift of
the Necro Dyca. You know it's funny. You know it's funny. Rift
of the Necro Danza and Animal Well both they both told me it wasn't coming
to Switch, and I was like I'm putting these in my video that coming
to Switch. We already have the other necro Danca games on Switch's Animal.
Well, isn't gonna come to Switch? Well did they tell you it's not
or did they say it's coming to Steam? And no they donkey. One
of the things I asked Dunkey, was it coming to Switch? He said
no. He stramp said no, that's very strange. I think you don't
normally they say we're only announcing Steams, I think. But he's not a
normal game publisher. Yeah, he's just a random natche the greatest game in
the world or yeah, when you ask that, yeah, thanks, he
seems scared and I think Riffed. I actually just forgot to ask him,
I assumed. And when I put my video out, Riffed tweeted at me.
Or brace yourself games, I think. And then we're like, just
great video, just letting you know we have not confirmed it's coming to Switch,
and I was like, oh, okay. And then like three days
later, Yeah, they just didn't want to get in trouble. Yeah,
I know it's sick though. I like it. That was so fun.
I love Yeah, No, it was really good. That was really nice.
I technically announced it was coming to switch. You did. Yeah,
that game looks cool. Uh. Next is a little to the left,
cupboards and drawers. I'm going to consider this a cat game. There's a
cat like messes up your it's an organization shuffling. It's actually DFC I think
for that for this game. Yeah, yeah, and Kim later right,
No, she played uh um uh oh, gosh hacking. What's it called?
What's that game called unpacking? Unpacking? Yes? She played on Packing
very similar, okay, but better. I think Shovel Knight, Pocket Dungeon,
Puzzlers Packed the ELC. Haven't played. Haven't played much Pocket Dungeon.
I played a little. It's good. Nut It's very fun. That is
a good mobile game. I've played. The Diggy One is also a good
mobile game. All the yak games are great. Oh yeah, have you
seen Mina the Hollow up? No, because it hasn't been out yet.
It's in my video. It's still up. It's so good. Cult of
the Lamb Relics of the Old Faith. When this showed up, the chat
went nuts. The chat for the for the Indie Direct was all clown emojis
and people being like the socks f this and then called the lamb shot Men.
Was like, damn, everybody went nuts. Yeah, so I love
that game. People love this game. Twitch interaction again. Also, I
think the reason why people do the clown emojis a lot is the two people
they have doing the voiceover are incredibly cringe. Oh yeah, I stupidly.
I was fine with the girl Brendan drove me up a wall. You know
his name? He intrudes him, honey. Yeah. They read a script
and they get given a script, but they read it in the weirdest way.
It's as if they like first read it, or they just don't play
as a cute, cuddly cat me. Yeah, it's it's like a robot
and they do it on purpose. This game is perfection. I feel like
I would do it better. I would be fine with it. Actually,
if they did it like that, if they didn't write jokes every five seconds,
I want so badly to voiceover one of those. One time you can
just download the video. I want to. I want to give it a
show. I get a copyright, but can you imagine, yeah, yeah,
can you imagine if one day there's an indie world and I get to
just do the voice I've ever done it. I do my own indie worlds
every week. Have you ever done it? Did you know gaming? Have
you ever done? They never asked me. They tweeted are they already marry?
On YouTubers like there are Zelda YouTubers? And I was like, hey,
do I count? And everyone's like, no, you only do it
on twitch. Disgusting anyway, and dude or something. Yeah. Cultural Lamb
Relic of the Old Faith, that's DLC for cultiple Lamb. That's cool.
Cult the William's great. Are we eating lamb? Chops? Me ow ba
animal? Well, uh, this was awesome because Donkey was in the video.
Yeah, I know, that was pretty funny. He was in the
background trying to fall into a river. That was that was That was good.
It was funny. Uh no, I'll play this. This is gonna
be good. It was actually fun. It looks very basic when you watch
the gameplay. Yeah, it's actually fun. It's hard to get a vibe
of what the game is gonna be like. But I think that's good.
It's a lot of like own discovery of like the map in the world.
You want to kind of be thrown into a game with you figure it out.
Yeah, but it's a puzzle platformer. Would you say yeah, I
would definitely. There's there's keys and doors. Next is Crime o' clock.
I didn't think this looked interesting when that first appeared on my screen. I
did not see the al yeah, like wait, we were all like laughing,
and it looked like crime cock Yes, what's wrong? It was like
a mandala because when we finally saw it correctly, we were like that was
not an al h. Next is test Tesla Grad two. I didn't know
there was a one. This game looks kind of cool. It's a platformer,
but it's like Shadow dropped the same day. There were a few things
that shadows Bob. That's you can get a bundle for it right now?
Okay, uh, yeah, it looks good. It's a platformer, but
like you get like electric abilities and you like that as some stuff. I've
never played it. It looks cool. Uh. Shadows Overloading, which is
looking like a sequel to Western I think that's already out too. I think
that also Shadow dropped that day. The digital version is out today, Yes,
there you go. The physical comes out and like November in the Fall,
Blasphemous two looks sick. I've always wanted to play Blasphemous One like it.
Yeah, I've always want to play Blasphemous One. I almost did,
and then I watched a review and I was like, I don't know if
I would like No, you would like it. This one looks like it
has more platforming, and I think I like this. What game was it
you played on stream when elden Ring came out? That was too salt and
Sanctuary? Yeah it was. It was like a better version of that.
It looks like that No No Offense is selling Sanctuary because I like that too.
Scary is a little ugly, yes, and this looks very pretty.
It control is much better, It's really fun. It's a two D elden
Ring. I will play this and it launches this summer. I'm gonna jump
right into the second. It was a little too hot for me, but
that's before I finished elden Ring. I think I could give it a better
shot. Now I might be most excited for this one. Oxen Free two
Lost Signals is like the one that they're focusing a lot of time on.
This was a one more thing in an older indie director because oxen Free was
a very big deal game. Yeah, it was a kind of a smash
hit, a little cult smash hit kind of thing. People didn't expect it
to be. It's it's kind of like a point and click which I'm loving
that it's so popular because I see point and clicks amazing ones come out all
the time and no one cares. This is very story driven, atmospheric point
and click adventure game. And the first one got a ton of praise and
the second one's getting a bunch of hype. It was bought by Netflix.
Yeah, so this is a Netflix game. Now. Netflix is doing some
wacky game and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, have you seen their
like mobile store. We should make a video on that or something of the
Netflix games. Yeah, it's crazy. That'd be interesting. You can play
Turtles, not Turtles of Time, the huge Turtles game. You can play
it for free on your phone if you have a Netflix subscribe. I think
the only way to play that Minecraft Telltale game is on Netflix now, like
one of the only ways. Like I got rid of it a lot because
like Telltale closed down. Yeah, I think did Netflix buy that studio?
They probably bought the they bought They bought that that game property franchise that they
made. They didn't get like Walking Dead and everything they were. I think
they just bought another studio too. They they're doing weird whacking things with with
the games. They're trying to get into gaming anyway. That Oxen Free two
Law Signals comes out July twelve, twenty twenty three. Uh. Then they
had Sizzle Reel five Nights at Freddy's. Yeah, it looks terrible and runs
like garbage on Switch apparently. Yeah, that was available. That came No,
Oh, okay, every finaff that comes out it looks exactly the same.
Yeah, like this one's is this the first person one where you could
like actually move Adventure one you move around, You're controlling a kitten in Michael,
this is the It seems like the only one where you can move like
it doesn't look like the originals are just a point like yeah, it's a
point and Clia security camera base like you your head. It's so popular.
They look so bad because Matt Platt, Matt plant Platt, Matt pat made
lore videos, but also Mark markt Plier made the market. Plier made them
made it really blow up. There's books, there's games, there's a lot
of so insane that these piece of Crumby games can blow up because two content
creatives do videos on them and Nintendo looks at point crow like get rid of
you. I also think the merge plays into it a lot. They saw
a lot like a lot of kids, like do you guys um remember Poppy?
Have you guys ever heard of Poppies play time? Oh? Yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah, I actually haven't you have? Yeah? No,
it's because Dan. Yeah, it's a five night said Freddie. Like game.
You're in a toy factory. There's a blue monster thing named Poppy,
and he chases you around a toy factory. Blue. Yeah, he's like,
what like Bluie that little blue dog. No, no, no,
it's a scary game. You know. There's a genre of like the wig
scary games that are supposed to like kind of look like kids games, scary
spookie games. And then let's players play and they go and he goes,
oh my funny, and it has a huge as a huge kid audience.
That's why it explodes. My major point being here is like, yes,
Cocomela. The minute the game came out, I walked outside and like these
street vendors had plush versions of Poppy. Yeah, Like I think the merch
plays a large apartment. You see it every massive kid kid. It was
so weird after among us blew up because I went to a flea market.
I swear it felt like within the first few months, and that was already
among us, like plush he's and key chains and everything. There a lot
of it's uh not not license. Yeah, I know, let's plow through
this uh actual bomb rush Cyberfunk which August eighteenth, that's sick o play it
about paper Trail, A little kitty big City. That's the one I like.
Oh my good me yew Chance of Center, Brotato and Escape Academy in
the complete edition, and that's the whole Any direct Brotato I miss and I
don't have any notion of what that game looks like. But I saw the
logo when they tweeted out all the game logos and I was like, Brotato
sounds like something I would like, Yeah, but I don't. I don't
remember what it looked like. I want to mention games, any games that
are coming out this year that they didn't include things that we had like in
our videos, in our packs videos, which I think are better, not
better. But we had a lot of good stuff in our packs videos that
they didn't talk about. Yeah. I don't want to say better because that
implies that the games were bad. I think the games were good. I
think the games are fun. But I think but I think there could there
are other games that I'm excited about that. I'm a little disappointed Warren in
here. I think my video was also just about over twenty minutes long,
and I showed ten games, and I think people are way more likely to
get the games after I talked about them. You sound better, Thank you.
You sound better than the guy. Yeah, gun Umbrella. Remember Gunbrella.
I didn't talk about this in my pack, but gun Umbrella. I
think it's coming out this year. Oh, and that that would have been
good to talk about. That would have been But they did already. I
mean they did it like last time. Yeah. Probably. I saw on
some random website Enter the Gungeon, Exit the Gungeon. Yes, you haven't
played that. I played Enter the Gungeon. It's on switch. I don't
know why I was rung Exit the Gungeons while Yeah, this website was like
comes out September. Into the Gungeon was a roguelike game. Yeah, pretty
typical. Exit the Gungeon. You're on like a raising Yeah, and you're
trying to get out. But it's a different gameplay style. But I like
how they did that there. Let's just make the total opposite. Yeah,
yeah, that was good in that. Yeah, I don't know why the
Devolver just kills it, like, oh Devolver, it's like my favorite are
so good. Another woman that wasn't in this and we haven't heard about in
a while is Plucky Squire. I'm really excited about that game. That game
is uh, it's a small indie team. One of the guys is the
character designer for Pokemon Sword and Shield. Oh that's cool. So that's why
it looks so pretty. It's very pretty looking as Sorry, I just got
freaked out. You know that thing that happens when you go to a video
and someone's time stamped it for you. Yeah, yeah, that's that's happened
to my video. I did not timestamp it, but that's so weird time
that someone has time stamped my game. I don't get how that works.
Yeah, I don't know if it's It feels automated, but then you look
at the time stamps and you're like, no, this is too good to
be automated. This one's a little wrong. Okay, every everything is right
on purpose, everything is right, but they skip over a couple of things
and it gets stuck in the same category for a long time. I'm going
to read through mine really quick, clean of the Hollower. We know I
got that one too mean and the Hollower we they we've seen it already.
Uh, they don't have anything what more to announce about it? So that's
fine. Hoopie game. Uh um, Oh, this is actually your list,
I think because wrestle Quest is on it. Oh why do you have
my list? She she wrote, both of our things. Oh, thank
you so much. That's so nice. Uh. World of Horror was in
an indie direct, so that makes sense. Trinity Fusion was not in this
indie direct. And that looks freaking awesome. It looks like Metroid Dread but
you don't get a Perry and it looks freaking And there's three different characters that
you play as, and all three characters played differently, and you pick one
while you do the little roguelike play through. Why are you smiling? I
guess looking at my phone while you're talking. I just saw the words racist
spike. When I went to see if my list News. We're gonna run
out of time to even talk about that, so we'll just leave that a
little nugget. Sorry. Um Animal Well, which was there thirty x X
that has been in alpha for like four years now, that's the roguelike Mega
like a lot, but now they have an update that's gonna make it so
you can make levels and stuff, and that's going to turn into yeah,
this is like your game, I know. So that would be nice to
be able to announce that in any director have like a like an official launching,
and they are supposedly this year at some point going to have like an
official launch of the game because it's gonna come out of alpha. So it
would be nice to hear something more about that game. Um, Nocturnal was
that fire game that looked pretty cool Gravity Circuit. I need a release day
for that because I was supposed to come out in January and that's one of
my most anticipated indie games. Um, that's really at Elsie Girard's game.
That'd be nice to have in an indie direct when it's more ready to show
up. Which is a similar game, Methody, very similar. Yeah,
it was that game that was right next to girards with like the hammer like
a mustache. Yeah, that that was. That was good. We didn't
play that. That's a great game. It was. It was very it's
very yeah, very royal land with the hammer. That's cool. Yeah,
it was. It was fun, very quick. Music was fucking awesome too,
like it was. It was. It was nice. Games you want
to blast. Yeah, wrestle Quest was my main one that I'm really looking
forward to, and that I think wasn't an indie direct it was. I
think it was shown quickly in one, but now they have a release date,
I'm pretty sure, so that would have been good to at least sizzle
real. Yeah, but it's like a it's like an apg Stadu Valley looking
game if you played as a wrestler, and your whole thing when you level
up is to like pick your moves and pick your taunts and pick your buddies
and become the kind of wrestler you want to be. All the moves in
the ring a turn based um. But then you do like a turn based
move, like you said, like a spell, which is like a wrestling
move, and then when you do it, if they like rebound off the
ropes and you hit a button quickly enough you can like combo it into like
another move, which gives me like Mario Luigi vibes. That's cool. Yeah,
it's cool. I like it. Um. Other than that, we
shared a lot Wild Frost I really looking forward to it came out and I
love it. It's just way too hard. Yeah, we played a lot
of the same games. Uh, yeah, we did Bred and Fred.
I played my time at sand Rock. But they talked about that one that
the director that wasn't the direct, Toxic Crusaders I put in my list,
which I didn't actually play. They sent me the build. Oh okay,
they didn't send it to you. I didn't ask. Oh, I asked.
I had to ask a couple of times, um, which is like
TMNT. But with the Toxic Crusaders IP, they did a pretty good job
of it. Um. And yeah, that's that's it. We shared everything
else, I think. Okay, So there was one game that I wanted
to be shown in the indie direct that didn't get shown in America but got
shown in Japan. Oh it's called Another Crabs Treasure. Oh yeah, and
oh yeah, yeah they've done that before and it direct. Yeah that looks
sick. That game looks awesome. You're a little crab, a hermit crab,
and it's dark souls. Yeah, you have to fight like underwater enemies,
like if your shell breaks. Got to find a new show? Why
was it in Japan? Is it developed? Maybe maybe they didn't get a
look at it last time. Oh maybe that makes sense maybe, but no
it does. That does actually look really good. But they announced that there
will be different skins for your crab that you can get, and one of
the skins makes you look like mister Crabs from Oh God, So cute.
Yeah, that game actually looks really good. I also missed one gory,
cuddly cottage. Okay, it's a it's a skate and slash game. That
sounds cool. It's a hack and slash where you're on a skateboard that you
play as a cat. That sounds awesome. It is that it actually looks
like Neo and like synth Way vibes, and it actually looks if you like
these indie worlds, there's so many more indie games that you could sink your
teeth and that already out. What is the other skate game? A skate
story where you're like the ghosts and you're skating. That's been that's been like
always teased for a long time. I think it's called Skate Story. Oh
you we saw the play in New York. Yeah, I know about.
That's been development for a long time. That's taken a lot of different changes.
That looks cool. Yeah, that looks like skate but you're like a
ghost thing. Yeah, and you're like weird, warped out mushroom. Yeah.
Places, that's it. Accept racist Spike is what is? Okay?
All right? Well we'll talk about real quick because time a time when we're
there bonus episode baby about racist racist say it now? And then? Is
Nintendo racist? Started start the episode like that? Do you actually want me
to stay? Save it? All right? It's uh, Spike, the
foreman from Mario. He was in the game Oh Wrecking Crew, he was
in the Mario movie. They decided to officially change his name. He was
originally apparently called Budaki in Japanese, which is blackie, which is fucked up.
But they decided to officially change his name to Spike, which I thought
it was anyway, um, which makes a lot of sense. I can't
believe have they've been calling him the other thing up? Until now. I
don't think so. I've never heard that name before. But then I tweeted
about it and everyone's like, um, it's not racist because they mean the
color. And Umbreon is currently called Blackie in Japan. His Japanese name is
Blackie because he's a black cat. Well, it's a little different when it's
a cat. Yeah, you're right, you can call a cat blackie.
I feel like that's okay. Maybe like the horse black beauty. I regret
asking him what this is? You can you can name animals after that color.
Yeah, if he asks, HP lovecrypt anyway, the video, guys,
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