RUSH Hour of Lies: RHOP Recap

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: The show is just getting started.

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Speaker 1: Rain Drops give a warm welcome for the beautiful Claudia.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 4: How y'all? Do I miss y'all? It feels like it's been so long.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Claudia, do you I know? Do you? Does happen with Destiny to uh? Do you happen to have air pods? Bike? If you bones.

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: Am I echoing?

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Speaker 6: You actually find out now we were buffering a little bit. I think it was a wife issue more than what Destiny's problem was.

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Speaker 5: I'm in the hotel, so I don't know what kind of hope, what kind of you know? I'm in Miami too, so like the wife, I don't Hey, y'all.

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 7: Miss you?

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Speaker 2: We missed you? Look amazed.

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Speaker 3: You look amazing. You were hosting something.

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Speaker 4: I had to do some green screen today.

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Speaker 5: So I'm here in Miami and I have to do a scene tomorrow, which I don't know how I feel about it.

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Speaker 4: So it's like I'm about to get set up. I'm going to let y'all know right now if you.

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Speaker 5: Hear about me the blogs on Wednesday and when left, and I'm just letting you know right now, Carlos had a bail money ready, I know you got me?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I do, Okay, I might need to ride from Blue come get me Destin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 7: I got you.

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Speaker 2: Baby, about to snatch your bundles up?

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Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 2: Is somebody about to snatch a bundles?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean?

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Speaker 7: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: A scene? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I have a scene tomorrow. I have to I can't really tell the storyline.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to know. Don't no, don't give it away? Are you There is a woman going to pull your hair tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: I wish a bitch would That would never happen in real life. Never, It never happened figuratively physically. Last time it was the last time so much. I'm fifty two years old, so back in the nineteen hundred and nineties.

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Speaker 3: I remember them vaguely.

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Speaker 5: It's been a long time, but back I used to be scrappy back in there, but now I got my nails done. I'll assue you, or maybe I'll hit you with a steel chair, but I'm not fighting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your heal. I love that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, out of them heels. I just have things to lose.

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Speaker 2: Now, Well, that is true. That is true. So rain Drows welcome.

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Speaker 1: Claudia doesn't in blue as we are here to get into hot topics, and then we will talk about the latest episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac.

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Speaker 2: So Claudia doesn't in blue. The latest update that.

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Speaker 1: We have with the Candy and Todd divorce is the fact that People magazine did an article where they said that allegedly.

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Speaker 2: Because it was from a source, The source.

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Speaker 1: Alleged that Candy found out Tod was talking to other people.

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Speaker 2: What we know as of now is Todd.

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Speaker 1: Did counterclaim and asked for him and Candy to come to an agreement in regards to to the child custody situation, and that you know he does desire to have physical custody. He also may want child support and alimony if he does have to take care of the kids full time.

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Speaker 2: He also mentioned how.

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Speaker 1: He did sign the prem up without an attorney there and that leaves room for error. Candy contraclaimed with that on December first, and said that she will use Bravos footage from their wedding special to show that not only did he sign it not against his will when they ask him on camera that you know, it was a conversation they had already and he was going to do it. So that has been the latest with that. Claudia, want to get your thoughts on it. You know, the last time we did speak on it, you did, you know, say that, Look, you're hoping that things don't get too messy and things don't get out of hand. It appears that this may be a situation that gets As of now, I would say it's getting a little it is igniting, just based on the counterclaims of it all. Todd, for the record, has not responded to Candy's counterclaim on December first as of today.

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Speaker 5: Listen, we say it all the time, the person you break up with, it is not the person you married. It's not the person that quart not the person had butterflies over it's not the person that you say, Oh my god, I would never do that to you. Of Course I'm gonna be fair. Of course it's gonna be like this. Of course I'm okay with this. So you know, I mean, this is just typical. This is just what happens. This isn't special, this isn't different, this is this is what people do when they break up. Unfortunately a lot of people do this. I mean, think about every breakup that's gone left. There was probably a time when you lay down with this person, look them in the eye and really meant it from the bottom of your heart, like, yo, it's different with you.

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Speaker 4: I feel differently, you know.

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Speaker 5: And then add on a multi million dollar empire on top of that, and with all these eyeballs watching, people are gonna feel away, Todd and Candy Bosey, the people making comments and the commentary and social media make you feel away, and maybe the things you want to let slide you like that, I'm letting that slide. Oh they saying, what about me, I'm a suck ass nigga? Oh that is that what Blue said? Oh Claudi said this about me? Would Dustin and Carlos say, oh, they're doing shade and then people get their chest poked out.

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Speaker 4: I do not think he signed under duress. We all saw the show.

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Speaker 5: Okay, didn't he get the paperwork month in advance but chose who signed it on camera the day of the wedding?

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Speaker 4: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 3: I right about that?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, right, You're correct.

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Speaker 8: They were talking about how it had been a long standing conversation and she was confused. She was like, we've talked about this so many times. Why are you bringing back up here? Do you know where I stand? Which shows that address?

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Speaker 4: Doesn't that feel?

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Speaker 5: And I hate to talk about either one of them because I like them both, But like, we're talking about it, so let's talk about it. So if you got the tape paperwork months in advance and you waited for a camera to be on you for you two say, I would have been my spider sentence would have been tangling on my wedding day when you said on camera, against the advice of my lawyers, I'm gonna sign this. I would think you are already thinking about our breakup right now. You're doing that's your evidence, that's what you did. Why was this not I get doing it for the show, but the day of that was that feels a little premeditated.

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Speaker 3: I have to agree with her.

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Speaker 8: I went back and watched some of it, and what made me sad is I got the impression that he thought that he could either wear her down or embarrass her. Where if I'm wearing you down, you feel stupid asking repeatedly, maybe yourself asking someone do do that, or if it's brought up on camera and I pushed back, you won't want to argue with me on camera, so you might back off so that we look good at United Front.

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Speaker 3: Neither worked.

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Speaker 8: Kenny was like, I don't know what you're talking about, but you're signed the paper, right, Like she could not be bullied, and so it felt like a covert.

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Speaker 3: Attempt to push her into doing something he knew she didn't want to do.

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Speaker 8: I think she was more to the rest than he was, to be perfectly honest, I think he was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: She also said she didn't give a damn if that paper wasn't signed, it was gonna be no wedding, and.

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Speaker 7: She didn't care about turning those guests away.

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Speaker 6: And I love that she was so clear in those episodes, because I too, what was that white Lady's saying, Rachel doz out. She was like, I too, So I too went back and watched you know what I'm saying, the Candy's Wedding Special, the five episode Charlotte to none other than Carlos motherfucking King for executive producing that. But thank god, Candy was so crystal clear in her communication regarding the prenup, regarding their previous conversations and discussions of it, regarding Todd, regarding the discrepancy between Todd saying what his concerns were and what the notes from his lawyer reflected the concerns actually being. She illustrated all of that beautifully, And what I liked most about it is that it wasn't even intentional. That was just Candy being Candy, the way that she was communicating with Todd about that when she was on the phone, even her stopping her conversation when Mama Joyce entered the room, when she was going off on Todd rightfully so on the phone about the day pre nap, Mama Joyce came in, she said, I can't talk right now.

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Speaker 7: I gotta go to it. I gotta go.

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Speaker 6: That was real emotion, real shit connected to the signing of that document and guess what else.

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Speaker 7: It was smart because just.

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Speaker 6: Like she said when she was discussing it, and he ain't gonna be no signing, so he could say he was under pressure.

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Speaker 7: Later he's gonna have to do it.

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Speaker 6: On camera saying I am not under you know, duress or whatever when I'm signing, when I'm signing this document. So shout out to Candy for dotting her eyes and crossing her damn.

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Speaker 7: Ts you know, ugly, I'm sorry. Go ahead, no, go ahead, friends.

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Speaker 9: Question to y'all, might there be an argument that you never really wanted you wanted this was your game plan for a long time, because if I was really wanting to engage in the negotiating process when I first got the documents, I could have the paperwork in her terms.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'd say, oh, let me see line, I don't like this.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's pushback on this, like to have honest negotiations right in those months you had leading up to this, instead of waiting to the day of and then saying on camera again my Lloyd's advice. You know, if you really wanted to have honest negotiations, you would have been going back and forth like actively leading up to the wedding instead of the day of, and then you can like say.

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Speaker 4: Later on oh like you none of the term to challenge journal thoes months in between and then.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I got I got a question for Claudia because I feel like I'm the I'm the bad kid who did not do his homework. Although, like Jess said, I produced a special, but I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to keep track.

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Speaker 2: God is good, but Claudia are you? Are you all the top? He's good? But Claudia, are you saying that? Because I remember that? Are you saying that? Todd?

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Speaker 1: That Todd said on camera, I'm signing this against my will, he.

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Speaker 4: Said, against the advice of my lawyer. I'm going to sign this. He said that. Yeah, am I Am I wrong?

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Speaker 7: He said, definitely said that. He definitely said that.

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Speaker 4: So if I'm gonna go okay.

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Speaker 5: I remember a company strong army to sign some documents and my lawyer was like no, no, no, But then they did some grimy like if you don't right, So that's under duress.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's under duress.

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Speaker 5: That is for real under duress, and and like to having an unrealistic time like do it by tomorrow. But when you have months, You have months to go back and forth, and you chose not. If he chose not to negotiate and then waited till that day to make that declaration on camera, to me, that's a problem now if I'm wrong, and if they were going back and forth in the meantime, you have more of a case the way it is what it's looking like again allegedly allegedly allegedly, I'm not in there that family's business.

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Speaker 4: But he did say that on the show.

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Speaker 6: I do remember that even if he said it, that one statement can negate the hours and hours of footage of them going through discussions about the prenup, about what the issues were that Candy was, you know, standing on that tie on, it changed like there was active discussion going on, active conversations being had about the prenup. To me, I'm no attorney, you know what I'm saying. I wish my girl he was up here right now. But I don't think thank you, because I don't think that that one damn line of him saying, you know, against the advice of my lawyer or whatever, that's not going to negate the hours of footage. And that's I'm sure I don't know if she has access to like the raw footage, right, but we're just talking about what we've seen in the final edit.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't know Candy nor any Candy raw to the raw footage. But yes, they can't subpoena that if it gets to that point. Of that point, but Claudia raised a good question that I want to dive into more, and guys, we will recapitomabally as well. But to Claudia's point, because again I y'all, y'all catching me.

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Speaker 2: Responding in real time because I didn't remember that.

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Speaker 1: So Claudia is raising raising a good question though since we know that he did say that I am signing this against the advice of my lawyers.

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Speaker 4: That's a legal tactic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: And and if you're if you're somebody's wife seeing that, because obviously Candy was not in the room when that was said, if you're someone's wife watching your now husband say that, would that give cause of concern for you, Claudia, One, I would be pissed.

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Speaker 5: I would feel my gut, my my airy spiders. Sence would say, this motherfucker's trying to set it.

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Speaker 3: Up for later.

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Speaker 4: That's that that's what that is. You know, that is against Why would you say that if Bonie Wodding dead when you're like, okay, against the advice of my lawyers.

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Speaker 5: That is, you're putting a disclaimer on your actions. And someone said in the comments Shane twenty four says he didn't have months the wedding was planing five weeks. Okay, you're right, Okay, they didn't have months, They had weeks.

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Speaker 4: Right. Guess what also took weeks to negotiate. They did a whole special with Carlos King. You don't think they negotiated contracts. So you can worry about negotiating those fees and those terms and get that done before the wedding, but not your your prenup. All that stuff should have been tied up in a bow before that day.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And Claudia is making an excellent point because logically speaking, like empathizing with Todd, which is what I like to do when somebody I think somebody's on some bs. The only way that I would say that after I tried to do a switcheroo on Candy because Kenny looked the one thing I love about Candy.

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Speaker 3: This is a lesson for all people. It's gender neutral.

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Speaker 8: As long as you protect your boundaries, you don't even need to know what scheme Tod is setting up. Every time you enforce a boundary, you end up undermining the scheme, right, because the scheme is hoping that you won't enforce your boundaries. That's what Candy did. She's like, I don't know what's going on, but I know what happened, and I know what I said was going to happen and what my boundaries were.

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Speaker 3: Right. Simply doing that is what covered her.

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Speaker 8: The only way Todd would do this is if, my opinion allegedly allegedly is if he never truly believed it would get signed. I think he had some hubrists where he thought he could finesse his way out of it. Candy's acting as if she's confused, because we've had conversations at nauseum, so I think conversations were had and she never wavered. So when he said the same thing again on camera, like right before the wedding, She's like, why are you bring this up? I've already told you what the terms are. It felt as if I've already told you what the terms are repeatedly, why are you pretending you're confused now that we're doing the thing that we've been talking about for these five weeks. I think he did not plan to sign it, or thought that he could believe sorry under duress. I thought he thought he could pressure her out of standing her ground.

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Speaker 3: When the camera's on.

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Speaker 8: Well, if I can't do it here when the cameras are on, you don't want to look stupid in front, you know, Mama Joyce is are making me look bad and we're under all the stuff. I can make you look like you're trying to be a good wife and take them for the team, and Kenny's like, I'm a team of one right now until we're married.

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Speaker 6: And she's a smart woman. She's a smart woman for that. Candy's not a fold and break type of woman. She doesn't strike me as one, especially when it comes down to where we've seen her character her character to be when it's time to handle business on TV. We watched the show with her and SWV and escape. People got mad at her for trying to iron out terms for the condit for the concert, for how her and SWV her how they and SWV.

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Speaker 7: Were going to work together.

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Speaker 6: She was willing to risk peace and harmony amongst those two groups to get the details ironed out before they move forward. And I think that just kind of reflects a pattern here with her.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm just glad that she was very smart and vigilant about making sure she had those protections in place because it's literally gonna save her bad her fortune right now.

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Speaker 1: And and and and the legal note that I have from Ebony so Ebonie K Williams, who who has practiced family law, go on record saying that she did say that, and in her belief or her legal belief, I'll just say that Todd doesn't have a case for duress because he had apple time.

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Speaker 2: To get it done. That was that was Ebony's legal note with that.

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Speaker 1: However, Ebanie did sex, I want to be fair, Ebanie did say that because the because Candy's lawyer did speak to Todd without his counsel being present, that wasn't great, but that when it comes to Todd exercising his right to challenge the pre nup, she said, look, one of the things that could come up is the idea of the tenure of the situation because what we what we do know is and she give your shutout dustin. You know, Mary de Blige husband can do She said, my friend doesn't cost me ken don't. They did have a pre nup, he did challenge it, and he does get alimony and child support from many Blige, although they have no children, and and she's brought up Cherry Shepherd too. So the reason why this is a very unfortunate situation is because you sort of figure like you did things by the book. But listen, there's always room for that one question I want to ask you guys before we begin to Potomac is the elephant in the conversation, the elephant in the room of conversation that people are truly happening And if you.

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Speaker 2: Child, you go on TikTok. TikTok is dominated by.

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Speaker 1: Candy's wedding special at every single house I've seen, Candy is Kenny Talk are dominating TikTok.

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Speaker 2: They really are. Mama Joyce.

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Speaker 1: Blue said it last week that Mama Joyce was a good messenger, but the delivery wasn't great. Mama Joyce felt immediately that, you know, she didn't feel like this was the right relationship relationship for her daughter. What do y'all think about Mama Joyce's position in all of this. On one end, people are saying, Mama Joyce was right, look at what's happening now. On the other end, there are people who are saying that, based on how tab was treated by her mother and the family, that he does deserve something, Dustin, What do you have to say to that.

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Speaker 6: First, I believe that Mama Joyce is at a casino.

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Speaker 7: You know, she liked to gamble.

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Speaker 6: They will talk about Mama joy I believe that Mama Joyce is at the casino in some highwaysted jeans.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, her barbe.

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Speaker 6: And her paparazzi sapphires on and I think that she is letting Luck be a lady tonight because she hit the jet bla. Mama Joyce did not want Candy and tied to marry, you know what I'm saying. She was very clear about that. And one thing that we know. I know that Mama Joyce has done and said things that a lot of people take issue with, right, But one thing that we do know for a fact is that Mama Joyce do not fucking play when it comes to Candy Burrs, her daughter, and she was adamant from day one that Candy be protected legally, you know what I'm saying. And she said she don't want to choke on a chicken. She don't want something to happen to Candy, and she choke on a chicken bone and he could tell her to get out, you know what I'm saying. Mama Joyce was always thinking ahead, and we didn't want her to be right about this. You know, Candy was happy, She appeared happy. Her ty had a connection that you could see. We always stought they had a cool friendship. We didn't want Mama Joyce to be right about this with But damn it, it looks like I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 7: Say Mama Joyce was right.

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Speaker 6: But their relationship didn't work out, you know what I'm saying. And Mama Joyce was a to see the end of it. So I believe personally, her feet are swinging on a stool somewhere and she's pulling that lever or playing them cards.

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Speaker 7: That's what I believe. She's celebrating.

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Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 4: I think she is and I now that Mama Dreyce took a liking right to live in Atlanta.

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Speaker 5: I need to hit her up now. The no, she's a galling addict like me. I'm gonna hit her up because maybe we can talk about you.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I've been in a Vegas for Claudia. You just describe Claudia a little bit dustin an't know?

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, I.

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Speaker 5: Hate that she's quote unquote right because I think up until lately, and I mean lately this last week or so, I don't think Todd was this awful person. I don't and I do think ten years in a relationship like, I hate people say, oh you're a failure. Nowadays, people can't even get to a third date. It's so hard for people with social media.

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Speaker 4: People here, well you know.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying that it seems like there's a lot of people that can't even get anything going. I'm one of them, you know what I mean. I had a marriage. I I filed for an no one after four months. Okay, So I'm not coming from a place where I look down my relationship high horse like, oh you only made it ten years, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get to ten weeks around this bitch.

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Speaker 5: So anyways, I'm just saying, like ten years is not something that just like sneaks, you know what I mean, Like, it's not.

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Speaker 4: Like it was when she was when Mama Joyce, I think she.

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Speaker 5: Was hard on him. It could have been and I don't even think that was based on anything. It could have been just Mama's good feeling that they have with people that they love.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever had a feeling about someone.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Blue this happened to you because you're very in tune where you have a feeling about someone. They didn't do anything wrong, like tangible right, but you just feel something and then one hundred years later this sound You're like, see, I was right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It depends on how you look at it.

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Speaker 8: I prayed on this a little bit, y'all. I prayed on this a little bit. I think I think Claudia and Dustin are being very fair. Well, Dustin was being funny, but I think you are being fair.

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Speaker 3: Here's what's tricky. We're all thinking, did she clock Todd.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna be honest, as the person who's played the candy role so many times, I think she clocked her daughter. My friends have told me that when I'm with a man that I'm trying to make look good to everybody else, but I'm having.

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Speaker 3: To shrink for him. They can clock that in me.

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Speaker 8: I don't think she was clocking Todd necessarily, it's obviously. I think she knows how her daughter likes to take care of people. She knows how her daughter will put on a brave face. She knows her daughter doesn't want to embarrass her man. And I think she clocked those shifts in her child the same way my friend's clocking me. And I was like, she only acts like this when he's not doing what he needs to. Also, we have to remember up until nineteen seventy four, women in America couldn't have big accounts without their husband's being co signers. And I think my Joys also comes from a different generation where she can tell an opportunist or a certain kind of masculine financial abuse that might be antiquated to our generation, right.

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Speaker 3: And so I think it's.

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Speaker 8: The instinct from knowing what it's like when a man might want the big piece of chicken all the time and not be thinking about you.

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Speaker 3: And also I know my child.

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Speaker 8: When she's covering for someone who she wants me to like, but he's probably not carrying his weight. And also there's a clip on TikTok of Todd where he's with his boys and he says, I don't ever plan on not being outside just because I'm married.

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Speaker 3: I just watched the right so and then he said I'm always.

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Speaker 8: Be outside and made some comments about wanting a traditional marriage where she stays home and I'm outside. We always talk about women having a baby to trap the man. We don't talk enough about when men are co signed to have babies as a meal ticket for themselves.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, tell it. Talk about these holbo sexual these hobo sectionals.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: I think I think those ten years was his gestation period to make sure that he had his meal ticket.

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Speaker 3: And when y'all made jokes, Clauda clocked it. She said, they're watching the comments.

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Speaker 8: He posted a daddy daycare post right after one of our last shows, y'all. Not to say that he's pressed, but I think he is. He posted the kids in the back talking about it's me and Daddy daycare, Like, I think this really is a scheme that's I set up.

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Speaker 3: It took me a while to get here because I was you know I love love.

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Speaker 5: Do you think it was always a scheme where you it became a scheme lately? Do you think he did schemes like you did? Long term scheme for thirteen years?

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Speaker 8: Men have two Okay, this is about straight men though, because you know the men up your integrity and stuff. There's a too prong approach clarity, because I've had a couple of male friends confessed this to me. If I can break her and make her the kind of subservient wife that I want, we could make this work. But if I can't, I want to make sure I don't leave. I'm leaving with something.

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Speaker 3: I've meant confessed.

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Speaker 4: To me, talk about the man I'm leaving with.

00:25:37
Speaker 5: Something that get with women that are more successful than them or more famous, Right, They love to humble those kind of women.

00:25:47
Speaker 4: They love to humble you.

00:25:49
Speaker 5: They love to It's almost like I may love you, but I definitely want to capture you and tame your power.

00:25:55
Speaker 4: I mean, but you're trying to take a sort and.

00:26:00
Speaker 3: I think candy pull more bitches? Can we say that on the record.

00:26:03
Speaker 8: I just I also think that part too, we were talking about we were talking about polyamory as somebody who dabbled with that.

00:26:08
Speaker 3: I dabbled with a little bit everything.

00:26:09
Speaker 8: Y'all.

00:26:09
Speaker 2: You gonna learn that you I love it.

00:26:12
Speaker 3: Let me explain real quick.

00:26:13
Speaker 8: There is ethical non monogamy, and there's niggas who cheat. A lot of niggas who cheat call themselves poly no because you can be cheated on by somebody who's polymh Right, So I think there's a lot of men who forgot the ethical part of non monogamy who are now saying poly because they got TikTok and it sounds cute.

00:26:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, they can't even spell it. It ain't before letters. But anyway, yeah, I get all of that. I just think if that he played the long game like that, if this shit was a long time, that is like insane levels of deception of the seed of you know, you being sleeping with the enemy.

00:26:49
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

00:26:50
Speaker 6: If you laying up with a motherfucker overteen year, fourteen years they was together, fourteen years, married, eleven you know what I'm saying, You having multiple children, starting businesses together and ship that's just that's a that's a hell of a of.

00:27:03
Speaker 7: A two face situation. So I don't know, dog.

00:27:07
Speaker 4: I know this fine, guy that I kind of dabbled with years ago.

00:27:10
Speaker 5: Right, you live in Miami. I ain't gonna hit him up because his integrity is trashed. But he was fine, and for a minute I liked him, And then I found out the kind of nigga he was.

00:27:17
Speaker 4: Right he was. He ain't watch him. He was with this right she was so she looked like hul holding a little bit. But and when I say the worst dB L I ever spot in my life, I was like, yo, son, Like he was fine too and sexy and all that. But I was like, I know, like, I know it ain't know about looks, but I'm gonna be shallow for a minute. So let me be a shallow bitch right now.

00:27:48
Speaker 3: Okay, I love yeah for.

00:27:52
Speaker 4: My makeup and hair is done. I feel like I want to be more like that, like bitch. I was like, what are you doing? I said, I know, I know, you fucking lying. What are you doing?

00:28:00
Speaker 5: She was older, she like like physically and she was papered up. So he was playing a game where he would tell her he played did all the things.

00:28:09
Speaker 4: He was present.

00:28:10
Speaker 5: Meanwhile in girls DMS and how on our girls that would look nothing like what his type was like how a man like when y'all brought up the fact talking about saying he wanted to you, saying you want something that I'm not and we don't have, is gonna piss me off if you do that.

00:28:25
Speaker 4: Oh I love blondes. I'm sitting here with black hair.

00:28:29
Speaker 5: Oh I want a relationship where my girl don't travel and I'm not a playing every two weeks.

00:28:33
Speaker 4: That's a confect.

00:28:36
Speaker 6: This is twenty twenty five. It's twenty twenty five. It's time to throw out whatever we thought the model was for a relationship.

00:28:44
Speaker 7: Right.

00:28:44
Speaker 6: We've seen time and time again where rich, wealthy men have younger wives or younger girlfriends that they take care of.

00:28:51
Speaker 7: And that's like understood. Right.

00:28:53
Speaker 6: If the tables have turned now in society and we have rich, successful women in their own right are able to trick off on a nigger or whatever, I'm.

00:29:02
Speaker 7: Fine with it.

00:29:03
Speaker 6: My thing is not for me. I'm saying, I'm a ball, not for me. I'm talking about. I'm fine with them doing it. I don't think it's anything wrong with doing doing that. If everybody's transparent up front, you want to be a cat nigga, tell her that, Like, I'm just here to be, you know, have a good time with you. And my expectation is that, you know, whatever the fuck, a woman might be alright with that without the emotional attachment.

00:29:24
Speaker 7: She may be all right with an arrangement. You just never know.

00:29:27
Speaker 6: So if that's what it was doing, say it up front. The problem comes in when you deceive a person and you do what we're talking about, which we're which some people are alleging that Tide played a long con game on Candy.

00:29:41
Speaker 7: That's where the problem is.

00:29:42
Speaker 6: When you deceived someone when you weren't upfront with whatever was your intention was, that's the problem. But if rich women, I've got keeping niggas, and that's what it is, and let that be what it is.

00:29:53
Speaker 7: Just be upfront with it, because I think, yeah, a great pivot.

00:29:58
Speaker 4: Just to be clear, though I'm seeing some I do think that's how I love Candy.

00:30:02
Speaker 5: I do. I don't think he didn't love her. I don't think he didn't have a lot of fun with this woman. I think they had a bond. I do think all of that. I saw someone in the comment saying that Candy needs a billionaire. That sounds good when people say that, and people say this all the time power couple, Power couple, show me, show me where it really works. There's always an unbalanced, right, and sometimes when the woman's in the power and the man's not, he feels a way so he's gonna get his get back by cheating on you or humbling you. I rarely see a boss woman and a boss man together where it works, where they're both happy.

00:30:38
Speaker 4: It's so I don't know why.

00:30:39
Speaker 5: It seems like there's always someone that's gonna, you know, wants to be more about them. Do you what do y'all think about that? Do you think it's possible to truly have a power couple where equally yoked and gotta going on? Or is it always like a balance, like an unbalanced where he's got to figure out if it works for you. I think the way rich women that have men that are sorry, A lot of rich women that have beta man, but he makes he makes up for in other areas where he's the best support system.

00:31:05
Speaker 4: He's reliable, He you know, lets her kind of do her thing.

00:31:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm.

00:31:10
Speaker 4: Okay with that too.

00:31:11
Speaker 8: I think it only works if the man does not want to compete with you. I think, like because think about it, Steven and Oprah. Everybody keeps forgetting Stemen was rich before. Oprah is a very alpha male. He just doesn't want to compete with his girl and taking money out of this. For a quick second, I have a friend. I hope she watches his Hay girl, I'm not gonna use your name. She had she broke somebody's heart several, like fifteen years ago. He's been trying to get with her for fifteen years. She finally got with him, and he broke her heart within a month. They always tell women do not take men who you've.

00:31:43
Speaker 3: Curved, just the stop. They always tell.

00:31:49
Speaker 8: Men women do not date men that you've curved, because he's gonna play the long game just so that he can reject you back. And so Dustin, I know it sounds crazy because you're a good man, Savannah, but there are lots of men who will spend years just to finally be able to say if I want to humble you, and if I can't humble you're gonna make you pay for it. So this is not as uncommon as we are framing it. You can love somebody and still want to humble them.

00:32:12
Speaker 5: Don't and do not ever get with a guy that says I wanted you all these years, and you curb me. Then you finally get with him. Oh he is going to SCOOTI good d and then he's gonna unlike and then go back in your face. All these years I was after you, you didn't give you the time of day.

00:32:32
Speaker 4: Now I can talk.

00:32:33
Speaker 3: That's a little bit too much on the nose, Like, okay, girl.

00:32:35
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, this is okay. Did you want to say anything?

00:32:42
Speaker 7: I ain't got no comment.

00:32:45
Speaker 4: Okay, don't get yours ladies, don't get with your fans.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: I'll make a comment.

00:32:50
Speaker 1: And on topic this is we gotta do a whole other episode because this is like okay, I'll say this, and this is gonna be very unpopular maybe or controversial on that spine, because we live in a world where people don't want.

00:33:04
Speaker 2: To be honest.

00:33:06
Speaker 1: Of course, in like anything is possible. Nothing's from one hundred percent in this life, right. So yes, you have great examples of Oprah stead Men who are still together. I do think if I'm able to add an anecdote to that is the fact.

00:33:20
Speaker 2: That they're not married.

00:33:22
Speaker 1: And Oprah Winfrey has set out of her mouth that if she and Steadman were ever married, they would have been divorced because she said that there's something about this this are I'm paraphrasing, there's some thing that feels like an ownership when you are somebody's wife or husband, that they belong to you. And so she said, Look, the only reason why me and Steve Man have been together.

00:33:47
Speaker 2: Agree with Blue. I met stead Man. He is tall, handsome and a smart guy.

00:33:52
Speaker 1: I have been around Oprah and Steadman in close proximity where he rubs her back and she runs his and he's watching her and they have this connection.

00:34:05
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, one thing I love about the relationship is he's out of the way. He's out of the way.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: And when I produce her final season of a talk show, it never aired, unfortunately, but we were allowed to film Stemming at his job working and it was It was a great experience. So I think, yes, there's always going to be an exception to a rule. But I will say this, I don't believe in couples. That's my thing. I think it sounds great. I think day two thouth. I think I think power couples to me are a couple who are together for the sole purpose of lifting one another. And when you look at someone like the one example I look to is Steven Marjorie. Right, I'm gonna tell you why. Uh and my rain dof know this. I love Marjorie Harvey, Savannah James, Keisha k Or and Sierra and I'm gonna tell you why.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you why.

00:35:13
Speaker 1: The thing is the way Steve Harvey has said that I was famous and celebrity with all these things, but when I met Marjorie Harvey, she provided peace in my life.

00:35:23
Speaker 2: And she provided stability.

00:35:25
Speaker 1: And she said, get that to pay off your head and stop wearing these baggy ass suits. And she provided and and and no, we're not gonna We're not going to Miami for a vacation.

00:35:35
Speaker 2: We're gonna go.

00:35:36
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let's experience Paris together. And he said that fueled him to be a better man. And he said he looks at all the success he obtained after her because she she provided something for him. I think I think that the reality is this, there are a lot of men who do not want to be a powerful woman because unfortunately it's good in the beginning.

00:36:02
Speaker 2: But one thing Cordelle Stewart said about Porsche that I will never forget.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: He said that he is a Heisman Trophy winner and it was difficult for him to be introduced as Portia's husband after everything he has attained.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: I think it's difficult. I think it sounds great. Well, no, I think, but it's the I'm with you.

00:36:25
Speaker 1: I think it sounds great. I think the reality is this. You look at Cierra and Russell. Sierra has her own career and all the things right. She she does everything.

00:36:33
Speaker 2: On her own.

00:36:35
Speaker 1: But when you when you really dissect the conversation she has about Russell Wilson, she talks about the fact that this man has provided peace for her and and bought her masters and said.

00:36:49
Speaker 2: Do the music you want to And she's not doing it.

00:36:52
Speaker 1: For a financial gains. She's doing it for her own, her own purpose. So I think this. I think you have to find some body who really wants you to be the greatest thing in the world. And I think the only way that can work is if the two of you, like Claudia said, if you I mean doesn't said this, if you two have an honest conversation. Spoiler alert, there are some women out there who don't mind take care of a man. It is Yeah, there's a lot there are there's a lot there.

00:37:23
Speaker 2: I know somebody nameless who husband does not work.

00:37:27
Speaker 1: He doesn't work, but what he does do he fixes things around the house.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: He's able to pick up the kids. She comes home and.

00:37:36
Speaker 1: Everything is fixed and everything is done, and it's peaceful and he doesn't mind it. He does the law, he does all the handiwork.

00:37:45
Speaker 2: But it works for them.

00:37:46
Speaker 1: So I think you got to have a tough conversation as couples about what works for the both of us so that we can power each other. So instead of being a power couple, be an empowerment couple.

00:38:00
Speaker 6: That's right, Or be like Kerry Washington husband and shut the fuck up. Kerry Washington got a famous husband and they got beautiful children. They we ain't even see. You don't see they ain't even seen them, you know what I'm saying. So I think you're very possible. I think that you just have to be very intentional about the way you move and about your privacy.

00:38:20
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

00:38:21
Speaker 6: I think that if you safeguard your privacy, you can absolutely have two motherfuckerss at the top of their game getting it together. You know what, I'm saying, you just have to be committed to safeguarding your relationship.

00:38:32
Speaker 5: So a man that's powerful, and I hate to generalize, but I'm going to generalize. They say this something they want peace, and the woman they end up choosing its own that brought them peace because they're in a chaotic world being a boss and getting all that money. It's sharks out there, just like a successful woman. A successful woman is tired of competing with men and women, and when I come home, I do not want to compete with my man. About once we start competing, the relationship is oba.

00:39:00
Speaker 4: And power couples. Let one lose their job and see what happens, or lose see what happens.

00:39:06
Speaker 8: She's right, Guys can say something really crazy. But I'm convinced now you guse have talked me into this. I think if Todd and Candy had different the opposite genders, they would have been perfect for each other.

00:39:17
Speaker 3: I think that.

00:39:18
Speaker 8: Todd wanted to be a big deal and Candy wanted a traditional relationship, and because the genders were swapped, it was going to always be friction because he's too proud as a man to want to be the beta or the stay at home Dad, and she, no matter how much money she makes, wants a man who's going to take care of her. And I think had it been the other, I think they were both wanting something that the other person didn't have. Because in that clip about her saying, I don't care how much a woman makes, A man should be a man and provide and not one half like what she was saying was something I didn't see anything wrong with. But it was very traditional, right, But you're in a non traditional relationship, and I think that's probably part of the problem, because she wanted a man to provide, and he wanted to be that man he wasn't.

00:40:00
Speaker 3: She was more of that than he was.

00:40:02
Speaker 7: See.

00:40:02
Speaker 6: I received that a little differently, Blue. I received it a little differently because I've seen Candy say on numerous occasions that she never even wanted to be anybody's wife.

00:40:12
Speaker 7: She never wanted to be in a marriage.

00:40:14
Speaker 6: She said repeatedly that her parents had gotten divorced in multiple times each you know what I'm saying, and that being a wife was never a priority for her. So when I heard because I've seen him clips two friends, and when I heard her say that, right, I always I always received that as her speaking from a place of protecting her assets, right when she says things like no, a man is supposed to provide and shit, I think that that period of pen providing begins at the marriage. That's why I think that that conversation was originated from, like, now that.

00:40:48
Speaker 7: We're married, you can do this.

00:40:50
Speaker 6: But I think that's why she always would bring it back to what would happen is in the case of the marriage breaking apart, when she would say, like, well, man's supposed to provide, he ain't supposed to. Won't have you know what I'm saying. When I saw her speak about that shit, she was always speaking about it from a perspective, or.

00:41:07
Speaker 7: At least that's how I received it, right, she.

00:41:09
Speaker 6: Was speaking about it from a place of like being protective over her shit, as opposed to saying she wanted to be taken care of and have a traditional, doting husband who was like taking care of the bills and doing that that sort of husband work.

00:41:22
Speaker 3: No, No, yeah, I get what you're saying.

00:41:23
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is a lot of women when they're single will say I will believe it when I see it, And then you meet a man who you really like, and Claudie, you can tell me this. You are sometimes as a woman, surprised by how much traditional shit that you didn't think you wanted.

00:41:38
Speaker 3: You find yourself.

00:41:40
Speaker 8: You find yourself one thing, not because you actually want him to provide, because she's a work ofhoer so I was never going to happen.

00:41:45
Speaker 3: But you like the security.

00:41:46
Speaker 8: Somebody once told me. When a woman says provide, she means safety and security. She wants to know that if she gets sick or falls apart, you got me. That's what she actually means. She doesn't mean that she doesn't want to work. She wants the option even if she never uses it. And I think Candy's falling in love with Todd and saying, hey, I met a good man. I want to have babies with him. IM gonna do life with him. I think even if she was thinking this is minded, she also wants to know if I never do another show, if I never saw another album, do you got me? And I think he would have loved to have been that, But she was more able than him.

00:42:16
Speaker 1: So we have to table this and we'll move on from this. No, we'll do a separate episode about that. But speaking of relationships. Let's get into Potomac and the relationship platonic of course between Monique and Giselle Bryant. So in this episode, between Monique and Giselle, these are two women out the gate season three, Dustin.

00:42:46
Speaker 7: Yep two two.

00:42:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, Monique came on season two, right, yep.

00:42:52
Speaker 1: Goat season two. They did not get along. They they just never got along. They were, you know, tons of situations between the bath for them that they just said things about each other. They decided to meet up Monique's back as a print to the show. I want to get Dustin's thoughts on what did you think when you saw Monique and Josebe Bryant having one of us sit down and what that conversation was like for you as a.

00:43:25
Speaker 6: Faithful You were, yeah, well, you know, we've been watching this show for ten seasons. We remember Monique's complete journey up until now on the show, when she came in season two and when she departed after season five. And I think that Monique was kissing Jaselle's ass in that conversation, and I didn't like seeing it. I felt like she was way too accommodating, way too forgiving. Based on Giselle's disposition in that conversation. Y'all know me personally, humility and friendship and relationships, I'm all about that. Ain't no ego and friendship to me, but they ain't friends. And Gazelle said at that table, very much in the posturing of what you got to say, so i can make a decision on whether or not I'm going to be respectful towards you and embrace you as a you know, a new acquaintance. But I felt like Monique was kind of playing the game because Monique wants to be back on the Housewives of Potomac. When she was on Watch What Happens Live This Sunday, there was a little blip where.

00:44:21
Speaker 7: She was saying how next season.

00:44:23
Speaker 6: They were asking her what she was going to show something about what was going on in her life, and she was like, maybe I'll show that next season. She said it real quick, you know what I'm saying, and Andy had cut to something else. But you could tell she wasn't even comfortable saying it, because it felt like it kind of gave away her intentions. Monique is coming to play nice. She don't like Jaselle, Gazelle don't like her. They never gon't like each other, but they do know how to be housewives on the same cast, So that's all that was to me.

00:44:50
Speaker 7: There wasn't nothing.

00:44:50
Speaker 6: I don't believe anything about what happened in that conversation, but I respect it. I respect the fact that they're professionals, right, and they know that in order for this show to be good and to can te you, they have to figure out how to cohesively work together. And I respect that tremendously. So I was glad that the conversation with that way. But we know what that was, Claudia.

00:45:11
Speaker 4: I would optimist on this one.

00:45:13
Speaker 5: I was like, whoa, I saw massive amounts of restraint, because there's a couple of times Monique should have been like, fix your face while you're looking like that, and she was like, it felt like someone that used to knows that I used to be off the chain and Choko bitch out or punch a girl in the face, and I've done some inner.

00:45:32
Speaker 4: Work maybe or or something.

00:45:34
Speaker 5: Say she wants to be on the show, But to me, it seemed more than just being the show, because I saw no signs in her face of like getting ready to pop off.

00:45:42
Speaker 4: It seemed like she really was coming in peace to me.

00:45:45
Speaker 5: I mean again, I'm new as far as watching the show every week, Like y'all are historians on the show.

00:45:51
Speaker 4: Y'all know the long history.

00:45:52
Speaker 5: I don't, so I'm coming in with fresh eyes, like from what I see as like a newbie.

00:45:57
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, I saw hope there.

00:46:01
Speaker 5: I think it won't be long term because they too both to they have very big personalities and it will take very little for us to go left. But right now, when they both left, they seem like that you know, friends that have like a little nice mess.

00:46:10
Speaker 4: Okay, I see you, I see you too. Okay.

00:46:14
Speaker 5: I can see that being a very entertainment to entertaining part of the show if they kind of you know, joined forces, even if for a few episodes.

00:46:22
Speaker 4: I hope they do.

00:46:24
Speaker 3: You don't think they all less.

00:46:25
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna last. Really, am my way off with them?

00:46:29
Speaker 2: No, you're not waiting glue to loose my thoughts.

00:46:33
Speaker 8: Well, it's so funny. I'm happy you guys went first because my thoughts are both. I was like, oh, this is a relief. I don't have to say much.

00:46:41
Speaker 3: I think Monique did a lot of work on herself.

00:46:44
Speaker 8: I think she worked through a lot of trauma, got clarity about her reactions and what triggers here, got control of her emotions, and is now be.

00:46:52
Speaker 3: Strategic to make a check.

00:46:53
Speaker 8: I think it's both because because on the healing, I will say this, there's certain things that Monique said that I was watching to see if she was faking it.

00:47:02
Speaker 3: On the EQ scale, would give Monique an A minus.

00:47:05
Speaker 8: And the reason only reason why it's an A minus is because of what Dustin said, the manipulation factor, right, so you have the skill, but you're using it for a covert purpose.

00:47:15
Speaker 3: I would give you Gazelle a C a C because Giselle was so busy trying.

00:47:21
Speaker 8: To hit her beats on her shady moments, she was losing an opportunity to create a sincere ally with a vet. She was so busy trying to be nice nasty. She didn't realize that. Monique was like, no, this is east and east west. This is like we're at Nipsey's funeral and we're trying to call a truce. Why are you so shooting at me? I'm trying to get us both a check and a storyline with each other because neither of us have a husband like Monique is like, bitch, I'm trying to get us to some place like, let play it along, bitch like. So I think that was being strategic. But I also do think that she did some healing.

00:47:51
Speaker 3: Did you know?

00:47:54
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was just gonna say, when I watched the thinge and to somebody who's watched the shows in season one, I saw two co workers doing their job and there's nothing wrong with that, you know, Like they're they're they're, they're they're they were never friends.

00:48:14
Speaker 2: So I listened when I saw the scene.

00:48:16
Speaker 1: It's funny because on one hand, a lot of people thought like it was gonna be this drag out confrontation read fast. I did not think that. I've never thought that. I think Monique and Gazelle, that's not who they are, if y'all really watched the show.

00:48:31
Speaker 2: And then on on.

00:48:32
Speaker 1: On the other hand, there were people who were who really thought it was going to be like we're gonna like ride off to the sunset together. I thought neither. When I saw the coming attractions, I thought, Okay, this is a moment where two people who never got along are able to have an anticipated conversation that the fans want to see. I think the scene for me was for the fans only. It was for the people who has watched the show since season two. I think Giselle and Monique understood the assignment, both that were on the show together.

00:49:03
Speaker 2: I think Gizille and Monique both.

00:49:05
Speaker 1: Do not want to regurgitate any past beat they had, and I'm and I'm thankful for that. But I also don't think they're going to be friends hanging out outside the show. I don't think they talk on the phone together. I think when it comes to these type of conversations, for me, you know, look, you you It's not like when you saw Mimi and Cynthia meet after having a situation.

00:49:29
Speaker 2: They drank candy talk after the situation. Hell, when you.

00:49:34
Speaker 1: Saw Giselle and Karen talk after the reunion when she found out one of her parents passed away, and you saw Jaselle like, let me go in your in your dressing room and talk to you. So I had no expectations. I thought, Listen, I watched the scene. I felt nothing. I just felt like they showed up to work. They they they both, they both did their job, and that was it.

00:49:58
Speaker 9: For me.

00:49:59
Speaker 2: I thought, it's fine.

00:50:01
Speaker 4: So I was gonna say, real quick.

00:50:04
Speaker 5: I I thought that it looked to me like Giselle was surprised that that Monique was I'm coming in peace, and she was I'm ready, like I'm ready ready for her to say, oh she didn't, Oh she didn't. I thought she was genuinely surprised that Monique had got like was very much in control of her emotions and came off Barry Zen. Whether it's real or not, I felt it was. But hey, I'm the newbie with this show. But I think Gazelle was bracing herself a Monique and then it didn't happen. She was like, oh almost almost like Monique kind of won that in a way, like you know when you throw your your enemies off.

00:50:40
Speaker 4: They'd be like, wait, you came, You're being cool right now.

00:50:44
Speaker 5: And also did did just Monique say I watched her house life that she wish they would have shown more of the scene because Giselle did apologize and admit that she did wrong, admit she did wrong.

00:50:55
Speaker 4: They didn't. So we're kind of getting sweated a little bit because a deal.

00:51:02
Speaker 1: Yeah listen, they had a two hour dinner, you know, and and yeah.

00:51:06
Speaker 2: She did say that, speaking of watch what Happens Live.

00:51:10
Speaker 1: An audience member asked her ask Monique if she could ever see herself sitting down with Canvas, and Monique said no, they did not have a relationship, and she doesn't see the reason why she would do it. She said, Look, we can both look at each other and say there's no beef, but that doesn't mean that there's a reconciliation of being friends again. Dustin, what were your thoughts on on that piece? Were you surprised that there's no room on monique side for her Canvas to make amends.

00:51:46
Speaker 6: No, because there's been no effort at any sort of reconciliation.

00:51:50
Speaker 7: And some motherfucker.

00:51:50
Speaker 6: Should just be done with you, know what I'm saying, Like I'm just done with you. Like we fought, I'm over it. I don't ever have to talk to you again. And that's it. They don't like each other, and they fought because they were so angry with each other. Right, they didn't even fight because something had bad or something so egregious had taken place between the two of them.

00:52:07
Speaker 7: Now, what I.

00:52:09
Speaker 6: Never understood and what I always wish that Monique would have done differently the way she laid it on so thick about being triggered and getting to the bottom of why.

00:52:18
Speaker 7: They had that dust up at that bard.

00:52:20
Speaker 6: First of all, it wasn't even a bloody, brutal brawl like that. They had a little dust up over that table. You know what I'm saying, some.

00:52:28
Speaker 7: Shit got broken.

00:52:29
Speaker 6: Everybody could have really talked it out and moved on, but Candice wouldn't let herself her position go, Monique wouldn't let her position go, and both ladies ran literally ran off into the sunset with their position in that argument. It was never that deep with Monique, and I respect her healing and the work that she's obviously done right, but I don't think it had anything to do with her decision to knock Candace in that fight.

00:52:54
Speaker 7: That was not.

00:52:55
Speaker 6: Something from the outside looking in. I'm not trying to you. I ain't gotta give no fucking disclaimer. This is what I'm saying. I don't believe that it required all that damn healing and journey and my father and all these layers.

00:53:08
Speaker 7: Y'all was upset. You overreacted? Canice overreacted? That was it?

00:53:12
Speaker 6: I feel like the fans, and because of the fans commentary, that whole situation just went way too fucking far, And I don't think it required all this introspective work that Bonique continues to attach it to instead of just saying, you know what, I feel bad about my actions what she did? You know what I'm saying, I feel bad about my actions. I'm sorry the shit went like that. I just you know, would have did differently. I don't think she owed them all that introspective work and on them comments about her family life, her history, her daddy, all that shit.

00:53:43
Speaker 7: It was never that deep to me, you know what I'm saying.

00:53:46
Speaker 6: So I think when it comes to them not reconciling, they just don't fuck with each other. And sometimes that's okay if you can respect each other, move on, you know what I mean?

00:53:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

00:53:57
Speaker 8: I think this is the manipula, the part guys, let's say you went through a nasty divorce. She made that really graphic story about he'll never be inside of me again. I'm still with coss statement. I was like, that's a lot of information in that brunch, but like, wow, I think something happened to her where she has a problem keeping in her emotions when it comes to colleagues, probably her ex husband, whoever else I think the healing happened for a myriad of really nuanced reasons, but because she's healing and also being manipulative because she wants to be on the show. She knew the place where it would be the most accepted and get the most highlight and make it into the cut was to assign it to what happened with Canis.

00:54:43
Speaker 3: So that's why I think.

00:54:44
Speaker 8: I think she's healing and being manipulated simultaneously. Where she's doing things, but she's re editing where she's placing them. So the audience can feel an attachment to it. Because you just say, me and Chris were having bad sex for about five years. I checked it in clear, I don't pissed off x Y and Z and I know need to go figure something out, right, Like, I don't think that story would get as much attention, but assigning it to her big kaboom suddenly makes it relevant. And so it's interesting watching somebody who I believe is healing and being manipulative simultaneously. It's fascinating to watch. Definitely a skill, oh it is she's.

00:55:16
Speaker 3: Learning how to juggle on camera.

00:55:18
Speaker 1: Well, one skill that somebody does have that is Ashley Ashley is dating.

00:55:27
Speaker 2: I'm going to have Dustin take this away because I'm gonna be very honest.

00:55:32
Speaker 1: I did fast forward Ashleck's date, so I don't know what happened.

00:55:37
Speaker 2: Listen, y' y'all not gonna act like listen rain jobs. Let me in the comments.

00:55:41
Speaker 1: Y'all not gonna act like there are certain scenes that you're just like list y'all can read me on my own show. Probably be fast party scenes in your show. Okay, fine, thank god for remote control my thing. You know, it's fine, It's okay. But I literally I I'm not invested in Ashley dating. I I I'm not invested in it. I think Ashley is doing a great job being Billain this season.

00:56:06
Speaker 2: Congratulations. I love that.

00:56:07
Speaker 1: But to see Ashley on the day, I literally fast forwarded. I made my ortha much rooms with a little splash of paprika. I took Brody out for a walk. I came back with commercial, and then I watched you know Greg and you know Kk's mom and you know Angel get a ring.

00:56:26
Speaker 2: But so Dustin, what happened on Ashley's day.

00:56:29
Speaker 6: A bunch of bullshitch, which is why you fast forwarded it. You knew that It wasn't anything of substance or anything real or relevant to a continued story that she's telling on this show. Right, that's some boy that was at that speed dating situation. They went on a couple of days. They probably did hang out in real life once or twice, but he was never a suitor for her. He was never anybody that she considered for long term partnership. He was never someone that can she considered having a baby with. That's why she sat there at that arcade that they were at on the date. Right after you dating somebody you used to be married to, motherfucker in his sixties. Okay, that looked like he was in his eighties. And you think that she's going to be interested to go to the arcade and put what pull a pinball machine, throw a ski ball? Like that's not something that she's you know what I'm saying, even into. And that's why she was laughing when she tried to have the serious conversation with him at that restaurant, talking about, you know, it's been a year and had a year, I started to consider things. It was fun, we were just having fun, Ashley. But I will give her this credit, she did lay it out what the problem was.

00:57:35
Speaker 7: You broke You ain't got no damn money. She said it.

00:57:39
Speaker 6: She said, financially, there's an issue. You know that you can't step up the way that I need you to. He said, well, how do you know what my finances are or whatever?

00:57:48
Speaker 7: And she was kind of like, we up.

00:57:51
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

00:57:53
Speaker 7: If they're throwing basketball over here, you.

00:57:55
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying, and pulling shit out the machine over here, and there's nothing wrong with that.

00:57:59
Speaker 7: As far as to have fun, she just was never into it.

00:58:03
Speaker 6: And I actually felt like that was kind of fucked up to do to him low Ki, because you could tell in his face he was a little bit more into it than she was.

00:58:10
Speaker 7: And we saw his face kind of cracking that scene.

00:58:13
Speaker 5: So she said, you've never taken me on a trip, and he said, I invite you to Pittsburgh.

00:58:17
Speaker 4: I said, sir, he.

00:58:20
Speaker 3: Did say pittsburgh'surgh.

00:58:24
Speaker 4: Oh you don't remember I invited you on that one time?

00:58:27
Speaker 2: What Qualia, we went to Providence, you remember that, Claudia Dustin Blew. I'm lon keep bad.

00:58:34
Speaker 7: I'm just to see this sounds funny, it would have laughed.

00:58:39
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you this, and I I went listen a woman that is really into a man, and you're really into him, you can be at an arcade with him and have a great time and then go home and fun the ship out of him, have a electric sex because you like I like spending time with you. If you're not interested, you don't you don't respect him because of you don't respect his career or whatever your issue is.

00:59:03
Speaker 4: She was like, it feels like pulling teeth.

00:59:06
Speaker 5: Then you feel the ridiculousness of playing video games. But when you like someone and you feel it for them, all that stuff is fun. You can be uh at Denny's getting a French Slam and you're gonna have a good time because you ride with the spirit. I went to Denny's with a fifty million dollar one time. We had a great time.

00:59:27
Speaker 3: It was not about money I wanted.

00:59:29
Speaker 7: She don't like him, so that's why I like him.

00:59:31
Speaker 2: He kind of gets.

00:59:32
Speaker 5: Planned, but it was it did feel mean like I'm like, caught him on the show and on that scene to to diss the hell out and tell me broke, and he only offered to take it to Pittsburgh.

00:59:41
Speaker 4: Will not even take you. I think you want her to meet him in Pittsburgh. I don't know.

00:59:45
Speaker 6: He was looking at her with that same haircut and that same face that her oldest. She looked like a kid. He looked like a little kid. When she said that to him, he was devastated.

00:59:55
Speaker 7: Face crag. He looked up, well, how do you know?

00:59:58
Speaker 6: And then curls. I was like, he looked just like Dean. Ain't Dean the oldest one?

01:00:03
Speaker 3: Thank you.

01:00:03
Speaker 8: I was about to say, usually men who look like her father. Now she's dating a man who looks like her son. So but she did mention because she was talking big Shay Carlo. She said, I'm used to dating men who are swanky. I had a man, you know, take me to lunch on a private jet and you know, now my debut busters like it was one of those things where swinky, time.

01:00:23
Speaker 2: Out, time out, time out. My last PSCA of the night, Claudia doesn't blue. I promise you I had a great weekend. I was with my girls.

01:00:32
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this and we're going to move off from it because we got to do ahole other show about this, ladies.

01:00:37
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's cute.

01:00:38
Speaker 1: It's great today the band that has means and takes you to Da Da Da Da. I will say this and Claudia, you stop me if I'm wrong, because Claudia has, like I said, she's been famous since she was ten, so.

01:00:51
Speaker 2: That Claudia knows everybody.

01:00:53
Speaker 1: I I think a lot of women who dated for money, they have nothing to show for it. After forty they're single, and they're still trying to chase the bag.

01:01:08
Speaker 2: Ladies. If y'all listening, I almost say this to you.

01:01:11
Speaker 1: You don't waste your twenties and thirties chasing a rich man because you're going to be single in your forties and that's what you want to do in five But today the man solely because you want to have a lunch on a private plane. I promise you on everything in life, you will never ever ever find happiness.

01:01:28
Speaker 2: Use myma.

01:01:31
Speaker 5: The men who have been the most generous with me have not been the millionaires. The millionaires collect you like an infinity stone. You're one of many, and they'll let you be rich adjacent, be around their money. But are they investing your business? They're helping you do they Are they gonna help you paint your fence? Are they gonna like set up your equipment? For you when you're like about to go on air. Are they going to like be there and pick you up from the airport at five am? Or they're gonna send someone to come get you. Are they gonna be like texting me you get home on and make sure you'll home safe. I think a man that doesn't have all that money is gonna put a lot more effort into making you feel his strength as a man. In other areas, the guys have the money were the cheapest they. I remember once going up shopping where this motherfucker went and shopped for himself. What I watched and gave a man my opinion what jeans look good on his wide hips? I was like, are you no?

01:02:25
Speaker 2: Are we talking about my fad?

01:02:32
Speaker 3: He had hips? Was he shopping outlay?

01:02:34
Speaker 2: Brian?

01:02:34
Speaker 8: Where were you shopping for the hips?

01:02:38
Speaker 4: Weather Thane?

01:02:41
Speaker 3: I have a thing about men with hips. It freaks me out a little bit.

01:02:43
Speaker 8: Nothing against I just it freaks me out, Like if we're both the same, I get I can freaked out.

01:02:48
Speaker 2: I can't.

01:02:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, speaking of shopping, Claudia, you have been. I remember you told me what are your exes? It was a high school college brought you a domin.

01:03:02
Speaker 3: Necklace or something tennis bracelet.

01:03:04
Speaker 2: Tennis bracelet.

01:03:05
Speaker 1: Okay, so Claudia has definitely since she was a battye back at her teen.

01:03:09
Speaker 2: Tony and still is now. He has had jewelry, you know, be gifted to her. Oh never mind, child.

01:03:20
Speaker 5: The year was ninety four, but he did chop that off with a fake tennis bracelet.

01:03:28
Speaker 2: So we see.

01:03:29
Speaker 1: We see key Aaron Karna boyfriend Greg.

01:03:35
Speaker 2: He is going ring shopping.

01:03:36
Speaker 1: He's with Angel and he's with key kk's mom. They saw rings that cost one point a all the way down to one hundred thousand dollars. I thought the rings looked nice. Greg looked like he did not want to be there, that he was also showing up to work on behalf of the fact that his lady has a peach in this case of flue. I didn't listen. I'm gonna say this, and y'all can read me too of my own shows. If I make this happen, I think I stopped doing this too, so I'm gonna brede myself. I do not want to watch any shopping scenes where you don't come out with a bag.

01:04:13
Speaker 2: I don't want to see it. I don't I'm sick.

01:04:16
Speaker 1: And tired of shopping scenes on reality television where you're just shopping and you don't walk out with and purchase it annoys me. I don't I can do that myself. I can go over Deo and look at glass. Anybody can do that. These shows are aspirational want we want you guys to show us something that we normally don't see. All of us can go to a jewelry store and look at everything and walk out saying, Wow, that was nice.

01:04:45
Speaker 2: So I didn't like that, Claudia, what did you think.

01:04:50
Speaker 4: Because the pressure was put on him, like he was kind of damned, damned Vido, it'd be bothering this and be a bunch of that wasn't enough.

01:04:57
Speaker 5: You didn't get it, the most expensive one he didn't buy. Ray y'all faking it. He don't want to marry you.

01:05:02
Speaker 4: That's a no win situation.

01:05:03
Speaker 5: I would have never done that scene unless the only way I'm doing that scene if we me and my man had to talk and be like, babe, let's if you're not gonna buy the ring, let's not do it because i'mnna look stupid. There's no win from that scene, like, oh you tried on a ring. I tried on rings too. I went to Tippy's and tried on all kinds of shit. I can't afford that shit was cute. But I left with a Forever twenty one bag that day. Okay, so no, don't do that like up goofy, you know.

01:05:30
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

01:05:32
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, because it's it's giving.

01:05:36
Speaker 5: It doesn't help her case when she's saying he wants to marry or it's gonna happen, because you know, he was like, I gotta discuss it and all that. No, don't do a scene with me, and no diamond store, you ain't buy a diamond both Donna look crazy. What if I say, oh, I might give you head tonight, and then I just stand next.

01:05:58
Speaker 8: To it, Claudia, that's the monic, Claudia.

01:06:07
Speaker 4: I'm not even touching my mouth, but I'm gonna make it look like I might.

01:06:11
Speaker 3: I'm a great analogy nobody wants.

01:06:16
Speaker 7: That's mm hmmm.

01:06:19
Speaker 3: Which I'm happy you're back. I'm so happy you're back.

01:06:24
Speaker 2: I'm wrong with you, Claudia.

01:06:26
Speaker 4: I'm painfully honest.

01:06:29
Speaker 6: Well, since we being honest, it wasn't but one person in that whole scene who had any business on reality television, and that's ms Michelle Keana's mama. Angel ain't got no personality, and neither do Greg. But the difference between the two of them is that only one of them is on the show.

01:06:44
Speaker 7: Angel, you got to stop, you.

01:06:47
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying, This coming in coming into these scenes, trying to shift the energy to a place of reflection and serious deep thought is not the move on these shows. Why are y'all in this jewelry store and you literally take the attention of the camera and go, what but to me here ten years ago we sat and kay and I you know, she starts talking about this ten year old memory that nobody gives a fuck about. Everybody moved right on past. You know what I'm saying, that's the problem. I believe that Angel is trying to present a certain image or a certain profile to the show that is just not at who she is or just not her you know what I'm saying. The things that she has chosen to take umbridge with, the things that she has chosen to have issues about everything has just been the wrong fucking choice when it comes to Angel. I'm so tired of everything. I'm gonna have to talk to this person three weeks after the incident happened, because I went home and talked to my husband and he told me that, yeah, I do have a case when it comes to this, you know, so to speak. We're tired of hearing about a house in Colorado. We're sick of at you every five minutes.

01:07:56
Speaker 7: What do you hear?

01:07:57
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, because our Colorado has yeah, you know in our Colorado home. Well if she said that man, that language chin saying, somebody say they chin checked you was not that big of a deal. Okay, drug that shit out. I don't want to really, I'm not trying to ride her like that, right, But like in this scene, it just was like, damn, here we go.

01:08:19
Speaker 7: All of her was the Isley Brothers. Here we go again.

01:08:23
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Here we go again, the same old shit, man, the same shit. And then Greg's ass standing up there with his shirt tucked in, and you know what I'm saying.

01:08:37
Speaker 7: Not buying O bring.

01:08:38
Speaker 6: I just feel like Keana is being made to feel like she has to make this relationship work by somebody.

01:08:47
Speaker 7: They don't have to push it.

01:08:48
Speaker 6: They can just like get back on track, buy the condo, you know, what I'm saying, like and just just let it happen when it has to happen. Kiana is a beautiful woman with a lot of options, and I just hope that Gregg realizes that it steps up to the plate in the right way aka not doing dumb shit. To the jewelry store coming out with aft handed with a business card.

01:09:11
Speaker 4: You know, would have woke that scene up.

01:09:13
Speaker 5: If I was like their homies, I'd have been like, yo, when we go to this diamond spot, when he stops himing and han about this ring, I'm like, how about this? How about this? Fuck the condo? Put the money's going to use on a condo on the ring right now, if you really about that life, and we'll work out the real estate later on. I pulled his card because even if he didn't, it would have been a good scene. You would have put him on the spot and would have made you and I'm like you saving money. Actually I'm already saving you money as your wife. The ring is one eighty the one that I want.

01:09:42
Speaker 4: Don't give me that.

01:09:44
Speaker 5: I want the one eighty one. The condos three hundred thousand, boy, I just saved you one twenty. Let's go what were doing.

01:09:49
Speaker 3: Math girl math Padia.

01:09:52
Speaker 8: I think we also admit that Greg would have been more comfortable at Marshall's. Everything about it felt dusty. I feel like my credit score went down the longer I Will watched it. Oh my god, Dusty, it felt like poor credit, like about a four fifty.

01:10:07
Speaker 5: I think you look at you had three fifty just by having current, like just by having social.

01:10:12
Speaker 8: Exactly solus one hundred and also too, I do think, how do I say this nicely? Remember there was a phase with I love Alicia Keys, but she took herself a little too seriously and if you were like at least she w wass youravorite color the color of freedom, and we were.

01:10:26
Speaker 3: Like, girl, come down.

01:10:28
Speaker 8: That's what this feels like with Angel, Like somebody told her our nation of Maya Angelou and she keeps saying expeditiously and using like, you know, a bunch of words with a bunch of syllables, and I'm not sure she fully understands because I'm still material and I just think that Angel is finding out in real time that she has no personality, and the other wags were just playing along because Bobby started for ten years, so she's finding out in real time that people have been lying her and the Emperor has no clothes and that's awkward, right, no clothes, no fashions. Right, And also too, I think also is trying to make herself feel like, oh, you know, me and KK, we can have our own storyline around the engagement.

01:11:06
Speaker 3: They're never getting married.

01:11:07
Speaker 8: Can we all just say it, get a time capsule that wedding's not happened. The plan is probably a new todd It's to drag out this getting engaged for about two or three.

01:11:16
Speaker 3: Seasons so that they can they can buy her some time. And she's on the Ashley.

01:11:20
Speaker 8: Darby, a layaway plan, no storyline, just beef and and and weird wigs.

01:11:26
Speaker 5: Can I challenge like, can I challenge everyone to make one sentence with the word mercurial in it?

01:11:42
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, Angel, don't never say mercurial in the real life that she lives. Angel, don't use the word mercurial in her.

01:11:51
Speaker 8: Cause when I'm pm messing, I'm very mercurial with my ex. So it just means moody and combative, that's all it means. The whole point of talking is to communicate. If you're using words and nobody in the Standsia, you failed.

01:12:08
Speaker 2: Listen.

01:12:09
Speaker 1: This has been a very mercurial episode because.

01:12:15
Speaker 2: Because baby, I don't know what I don't know what to say, it's hard to moderate this crowd.

01:12:24
Speaker 4: Make a confession.

01:12:25
Speaker 5: As a former journalist, I have maybe my school wasn't that good until Blue just explained it. I didn't know what the fuck the word mant either, So I don't go chasing waterfalls and I'm not gonna use the word that I.

01:12:38
Speaker 4: Don't know what it means.

01:12:39
Speaker 8: I have no Sorry. Yeah, like Cat in the Hat, please stop, Angel.

01:12:46
Speaker 7: You could just you could tell. And that's what makes it be like well.

01:12:54
Speaker 1: Going to another situation that people felt forced, was Dustin, did you feel this this.

01:13:03
Speaker 2: Altercation, verbal altercation rain drops that.

01:13:07
Speaker 1: Occurred between Stacy and Tia and Ashley was provoked or prodded or warranted. So here is Stacy. So Stacy does have a cannabis line. As you know, Wendy's husband Eddie has my call happy Eddie. Stacy's cannabis line doesn't. It's called shi shio, which means which means happy.

01:13:38
Speaker 2: Stay Stacy.

01:13:39
Speaker 1: I love you, but you are the new media now, you know. Listen, Giselle decided not to go. Uh KK decided not to attend the event. Wendy decided not to go either, which I understood because why would you want to go to a competitors, you know situation. Tia felt conflicted, but she decided to go anyway, and Ashley knew that. Listen, I have nothing else going on, so I'm gonna show up to get my paycheck. Shout out to Ashley. Please actually showed up. I listen, Ashley is there to do a job. And I think Stacy, I think if this seemed to me, I think Stacey klock who Ashley was like, you don't want to be friends with me, you don't care about me. You're here to You're here to start trouble. And that's that's just that's just what you that's her purpose in terms of.

01:14:29
Speaker 2: Even being at this location.

01:14:32
Speaker 1: I do think, though, that Stacy was surprised by Tia.

01:14:37
Speaker 2: And I'm although Stacey does.

01:14:41
Speaker 1: Not tell the truth often, I did find it very hard to grab why Tia felt so strongly about coming for Stacy. Yes, that little white live about the husband to me wasn't that deep. But I felt that Tia, in my opinion, got so much information angst from these other girls that by proxy she just about to have a spoke with Stacy, but Baby Stacey read her for Phil got up told her she can tootle do. Stacey once again owned this episode. Stacey is winning Charlie Sheen style, and I don't think these girls understood how Stacy was going to be so deliciously smart in the way she handled these ladies, and last but not leads before all tossed to Dustin, shout out to the best.

01:15:36
Speaker 2: Friend Aj Aj.

01:15:39
Speaker 1: AJ needs to be the new Dwight, Miss Lawrence, Derek J.

01:15:45
Speaker 2: I want to see Aj.

01:15:47
Speaker 1: Is there's something about Aj where he's able to talk to Stacy and I think AJ's I think AJ's energy empowers Stacey too.

01:15:56
Speaker 2: So I'm here for Aj on the show.

01:16:00
Speaker 6: And it was good to see him on the episode this week because he did what he's done in every scene we've seen him in, which is kind of ground Stacy and bring her back to a place where she needs to be of clarity.

01:16:11
Speaker 7: Right He told her cuts they motherfucking ass out. You know what I'm saying. They fucking with you.

01:16:16
Speaker 6: They've been fucking with you every day and we calling you all kind of liars and holes and shit, get they ass back, and Stacey was like, you know what, she took that same finger.

01:16:24
Speaker 7: She pointed at Cookie. She took that same finger. She said, you know what, You're.

01:16:27
Speaker 6: Right, God damn it, and she changed, Listen to me. The Tia thing is very simple, Stacey. Tia being fake a long time ago when they was at that swimming pool.

01:16:38
Speaker 7: Shit, you know what I'm saying.

01:16:40
Speaker 6: When Tia came up to this pool when Arabella was swimming, you know what I'm saying, Tia was being fake. She even overhearing these convers and she actually told on herself in this episode because she was like, when I came into this group, she was like, I heard I had heard things about you and whatever, and I decided to take my time, and you know what I'm saying, She did all that and so, but she told on herself when she said that, because obviously you've been sitting up talking shit about me, or at least enjoying the shit that you heard these other women talking about me, and you decided you wanted to puck and pick, and you are looking for something to have a problem with, which is why you latched onto that white liar or whatever it was that Timo said, Timo probably don't even remember what Tia looks like.

01:17:22
Speaker 7: He was so detached in that scene.

01:17:24
Speaker 6: He was literally when she was talking to him, his shoulder, he was literally giving her the cold shoulder. He was turning around, looking around and shit, looking to see if Arabella was still floating. He was looking everywhere, right, because even Timo peeped the fake shit too. Tia been being fake as hell, and Stacey is over it when she's already frustrated and at her WIT's end, being thrown to the wolves of Kiana, Giselle Ashley and now hell, even cookies. You know what I'm saying, cookie singular, not cookies, but cookie. You know what I'm saying. Even now, she's got to deal with all of that.

01:18:01
Speaker 7: Do you think she's.

01:18:02
Speaker 6: Gonna waste her shyo time arguing with this miscellaneous random woman who has no dog in this fight whatsoever. No, and Tiya find it somewhere else. You have a very interesting family, and all of her kids have really big personalities that translate well on camera. Lean into your own shit, you know what I'm saying. Quit trying to attach yourself to why to something, and have a beef or whatever. Just be an interesting, quirky British African lady and let that be what your thing is, because she could carry it that way.

01:18:35
Speaker 7: She falls flat when she tries to get.

01:18:37
Speaker 6: Into the bullshit with the women, and that's exactly what she did with Stacy, and that's exactly why we seen her making her exit.

01:18:47
Speaker 2: Blue to loose Ma.

01:18:48
Speaker 8: Well, you guys know, if Stacey has no fan, something has happened to me. Okay, I am team Stacy. She's absolutely shit nuts. And then when she's the thing is, don't think Stacy does better than be craz is be saying it's actually jarring because when she lets the facade of being crazy for camera off and she clocks a bitch, it's actually quite stunning. And I actually took some quick notes on their last words. Tia said, I've extended my manners and since Stacy said you want to fit in.

01:19:16
Speaker 3: So bad, and I was like, oh, that's a direct shot.

01:19:19
Speaker 8: And then and then Stacy says, you've been here for an entire year, and now Stacy, Tia says, you've been here for an entire.

01:19:24
Speaker 3: Year and you still don't fit in.

01:19:26
Speaker 8: And then Stacy said, that's why you're a try hard just like your fashions to the loo and I said, now, bitch, I.

01:19:36
Speaker 3: Am obsessed with you now too.

01:19:37
Speaker 8: Stacy very much clocked you think that I'm the weakling on the totem pole in the same way that Angel thought that Wendy.

01:19:45
Speaker 2: Was the weakling.

01:19:46
Speaker 3: You both came on.

01:19:48
Speaker 8: You both came in thinking that we were gonna be your easy targets and you're gonna climb our backs to take our spots, and we both basically clowned you.

01:19:56
Speaker 3: To your faces.

01:19:57
Speaker 8: That's why when Wendy walks in the beginning of the show and says, so, yeah, I check it, Gasee. Stacey's a liar, but I like her, right what not the truth of the bitter and the ass, but I like her. I think Wendy and Stacy are actually like Spider Man Spider Man the same way that Tea and Angel are. It's just that Tea is more likable because i'mlike Angel. Tia has an interesting life in a personality, so that makes it a little bit better for her. But I think they both misread the room and didn't realize that Stacy and Wendy have been waiting for their moments and they picked the wrong time to try to pick on them.

01:20:28
Speaker 2: Okay, like that you think?

01:20:31
Speaker 3: I really?

01:20:32
Speaker 5: When I was watching, I had to rewind that last thing a couple of times, and I'm like, whose side am I on between those two? Like I'm like, I'm not mad at either one of them, and I'm also not cheering for either them. I'm like, I'm like, Okay, people said, you need to wake it up a little bit more.

01:20:47
Speaker 4: She's interesting.

01:20:47
Speaker 5: You want to see more from her than she you know, See, we are viewers and being when your honor show is different than when you are watching a show, And when you are honored with someone, they lie a lot. Now it's funny to us because we don't have to work with them, but I can imagine when you're working with them, it comes off probably a little bit more annoying. And also we got to think, what what are we not saying? What was cut out? Because he hasn't turned up? And then she churned up on this one. She churned up, and I was like, damn, Like what's going on here? When Tia said, Stacey told her you need to have my back with these ladies, and who's lying? Like she Tia is mad about something like she's mad about one of Stacy's lies. And I think, because we like Stacy, because she's delusional, we're giving her some more.

01:21:35
Speaker 4: Passes because when me was lying, me get in the business, you know what I mean.

01:21:39
Speaker 2: But I have a question.

01:21:44
Speaker 3: I have a question with Claudia.

01:21:45
Speaker 8: If if everybody thinks, oh my god, Claudia is the fun one and she's she's she's beautiful, x y and Z right, and the person who you're clowning in your head is the only one who clocks your tea out loud, I think with why Tia is mad because I went back and on watched it.

01:22:03
Speaker 3: Everything was cool when Tia thought that Stacy was.

01:22:06
Speaker 8: The punchline, right, but when they were when they were at the table. If Clauda, if you tell me Blue, I can't come to dinner because me and my man are doing something. But the truth is your man doesn't like my man, and you don't want to hurt my feelings, so you're lying to me as a coworker and making up a soft white lie because you don't want to, you know, be messy. And then I go to dinner with Carlos and Dustin and I say, now, what's up with Claudia and her man. Why didn't they come? Is everything okay? Something's odd there? And I suddenly turned you saying you don't want to come something that you're entire you're allowed to say into a discussion, and now Dustin costs and says, now, Claudia, why are you being weird about not wanting to bring your man around us? And you say to me, hey, Blue, why are you being messy? That was the first time anybody had ever really clothed that Tia was trying to create a moment, Like Stacey clocked it that Tia.

01:22:55
Speaker 3: Was trying to make a moment.

01:22:56
Speaker 8: And I think that's why made her mad, because she was stunned that she be read by the very bit she thought.

01:23:01
Speaker 3: Was a punchline.

01:23:02
Speaker 7: That's right all the time.

01:23:04
Speaker 8: The one person I thought was a clown is the one person who clocked me. And there's no loll because Stacy is usually fun. Stacey was stern, like, why are you doing this right now? And she was expecting that. I don't think that it's a lie. I think it's the one time Stacey sold the truth. It was pointing at her and she wasn't expecting it.

01:23:20
Speaker 6: I agree one hundred and fifty percent blue. That's your motherfucking right, That's exactly what happened. Tia could not handle the fact that this person who she assumed to have some sort of dominance over in some way was actually like, actually, hell on now and another motherfucker you know what I'm saying, and got her, So I agree totally.

01:23:40
Speaker 4: I also I also look at it like.

01:23:44
Speaker 5: Being have been on the other side. What can be looked at as Tea is being fake or she was?

01:23:52
Speaker 2: Is it?

01:23:53
Speaker 5: Or did she get show notes notes from her producer, Hey, you're gonna go in there and you're gonna talk to Stacy about this, And then I've had to do that, and especially in the first year, you like you do they tell you to do because you're thinking you can't say no.

01:24:09
Speaker 4: So I don't know, like I want to, I'm.

01:24:11
Speaker 5: Gonna wait till the end to because I still feel like I don't know who side of them on and that because I do think. Listen, this show is in particular, we saw it from the beginning. They pick one person who they think is weak, and they all gang up on that one person. First it was Stacy's breath, right, all had every single one of them made a comment which I'm like, damn. Then you see them a couple weeks later they're all key caning. Then it was Angel's turn. They all and I don't like that they do that. I do not like when they do that, like stand on your own with your own personal thing, because it gives like mean girl gang righty, like they like it.

01:24:47
Speaker 8: Actually said my feet had been held to the fire, states too, You'll have to go through this.

01:24:51
Speaker 3: Why are you upset?

01:24:52
Speaker 8: Actually it's the same basically being toxic and saying we all get hazed? Why are you standing up for yourself?

01:24:58
Speaker 1: But that's why Claudia is right in the sense of I think, listen. My only note I believe I.

01:25:04
Speaker 2: Said this last season. I mean that last season last week.

01:25:07
Speaker 1: The only note I have Potomac is I do want these girls to develop a friendship outside of the cameras, because the only friends on that show this current cast is Ashley and Gazelle meeting girls who really do talk to each other and hang out off season. I think, unfortunately, and I don't know what, I think. Gizilla has to make it happen because she's the anchor of the show. But I would encourage these girls to hang out when you guys aren't filming.

01:25:39
Speaker 2: Because when I watched the show I do to me.

01:25:44
Speaker 1: Potomac is the show that I watched. I'm like, do y'all even like each other outside of filming? Like even with Wendy, who I love? Was they show the flashback of Wendy probably want to them with Stacey and Wendy for the second time look at the camera, and for me, it was sort.

01:25:59
Speaker 2: Of like, you're not even present, you know what I mean? Like like like for me, it was sort of like, I'm here working. And that's why I said early about Gazella Monique seing I just see again.

01:26:10
Speaker 1: The scene wasn't bad. I just felt like, I don't feel anything. Let me see Monique and Canvas sit down. I could feel something. Let me see Robin and Monique sit down. I think I'll feel something. I think what Claudia is saying is interesting in the sense of I think Stacy really did just look at her like, you're all of you girls are coming for us, because we're not. We're not hand picked by Gazelle, and y'all think we're on the chopping block. I think Angel got a rude awakening when she thought Gizelle was gonna pick her and Giselle did not, and Gazelle wanted her to come for her when Gazelle said two weeks ago last week, I said you catfish, and it was asked if Gazelle never said anything. And when Wendy got her good, Angel had nothing to do but to go home and to her husban what happened.

01:27:01
Speaker 2: So that's my only note when it comes to these girls. I really, I really.

01:27:05
Speaker 1: It's such a great show and it has so much like this season is so good that I would just want them to really be friends off camera.

01:27:14
Speaker 5: This is why it's hard to keep up as a newbie, because I'm like, wait, why are you mad? It's like it kind of goes like with a wave, like you're like, it's a fake it's a fake issue.

01:27:26
Speaker 4: It's a fake issue. There's no stakes because Okay, if someone said a group text, okay, we're gonna get Stace this week.

01:27:32
Speaker 5: Okay, everybody gonna stay her breast thinking okay, cool, Well.

01:27:35
Speaker 4: I'm not invested in that.

01:27:36
Speaker 5: I'm invested in Uh okay, I have to have an awkward conversation with someone that I really like, but they pissed me off last week. That's where it's like, that's interesting, we can all relate to that. But like some of these like surface beefs are like hmm, and they work hard for their checks on that show. Like I would be exhausted in that friend circle or even as coworkers with them, because yes, it's entertaining and talent.

01:27:58
Speaker 4: I think Potomac is mad entertaining.

01:28:00
Speaker 5: But would take it to the next level to me is that there was higher stakes by being real friendships.

01:28:05
Speaker 3: Wendy and Stacey.

01:28:08
Speaker 8: I'm telling you, please put it out there, Wendy and Stacy if you can hear the voice, because you nobody watches Carlos show. Y'all need to be the new Green Eyed Bandits. I would watch that show.

01:28:18
Speaker 6: Their pair together in the after show this season too. Wendy and Stacey do their after show tapings together this season, and they make.

01:28:26
Speaker 7: A great pair.

01:28:27
Speaker 6: Wendy, excuse me, Stacey show Wendy Hella Love and Bravo Khan on the stage.

01:28:32
Speaker 7: She was very supportive.

01:28:33
Speaker 6: They have a budding, growing friendship that appears to be real. But I believe that Wendy understands the power of being a vetted senior, you know, tenured housewife and putting her arm around the shoulder of the lady that everybody's picking on. So I want I questioned that piece, but it makes for a.

01:28:53
Speaker 3: Great Karon Huger. She's pulling Karen Huger, Karen Stilways.

01:28:56
Speaker 2: Do that, you know? All Right? I enjoyed the episode. All Right, raindrops love y'all. We'll see you guys next Monday, all Right.

01:29:14
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01:29:22
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01:29:25
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