Episode 84 - Real Scary Stories 3 with Bob Daun and Collin Arnett

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<v Speaker 1>[inaudible]

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome to another episode of the lunatics radio hour podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Abby Brinker.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with Alan Kodak.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we are joined by two very special guests in studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 2>We are sitting here with Bob Don and Colin Arnett.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, thanks for having us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so nice to see you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really good to see you

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<v Speaker 3>Too.

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<v Speaker 3>You as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the first time we've ever met you, Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>And you call in an in-person, but Bob we've been friends for almost a year now.

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<v Speaker 2>Something

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<v Speaker 4>Like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>You and Collin were attending a tracker school in New Jersey and stopped by New York on your way home.

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<v Speaker 2>How was being in the haunted pine Barrens for two weeks?

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<v Speaker 2>What is

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<v Speaker 3>After school?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like, um, someone just takes you aside for a week or two and teaches you how to track animals.

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<v Speaker 3>People survive,

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<v Speaker 2>How to attract people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not supposed to track people, but you know, think people are a little more messy than, than, uh, animals.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's maybe a little easier, people are easier to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Why, what would be the use case?

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<v Speaker 2>The use?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like why would you be tracking human?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like if somebody

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<v Speaker 4>Was a fugitive or,

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<v Speaker 3>Or search and rescue rescue, I feel like that's the more common, like a lot of folks just go missing out in the desert and need to be found.

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<v Speaker 3>And then, uh, we learn like how to start fire without matches and how to make arrowheads and, and bows and revive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask it sows.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds really intense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's extremely intense.

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<v Speaker 3>And they cram so much learning into that.

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<v Speaker 3>The week that you're getting up at six, going to bed around 1:00 AM.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a lot of sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no

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<v Speaker 4>At all.

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<v Speaker 4>But we did not see the Jersey devil or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you sure?

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<v Speaker 2>No, the woods are the perfect place to run into the paranormal, but there was a lot of people there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess maybe you scared it away.

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<v Speaker 2>We did hear a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I have stories about random creepy things.

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<v Speaker 4>So mafia, burial grounds and St

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff, bad searches and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there any New Jersey locals there that talked about the Jersey devil or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they believed in it.

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<v Speaker 2>No,

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<v Speaker 3>They're called pineys Jaime's yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I learned that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think on this trip, I've heard it in

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<v Speaker 4>Songs

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that old classic pineys

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<v Speaker 3>I know in the Pines, which probably wasn't written about New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 2>But right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bob and Colin are not just here to chat about tracker school.

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<v Speaker 2>They also are here to share some paranormal experiences that they've had in their lives and or that people they know have had.

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<v Speaker 2>We're super excited to kind of have an in-studio real scary story episode.

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<v Speaker 5>You keep saying in studio,

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<v Speaker 2>In, in apartment, I,

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<v Speaker 5>We have to clarify something because I'm sure all of our listeners have noticed how different this episode sounds from other episodes.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure we are.

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<v Speaker 5>Once again, recording in your apartment instead of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's less ambulance noises and sirens in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>But the

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<v Speaker 5>Reason for this is because we're trapped because of a hurricane.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>We are.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it got downgraded.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Flash flood.

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<v Speaker 2>That's still okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't mind be caught in a flash flood in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't want to be caught in a flash flood anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Nope.

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<v Speaker 4>There's worse places.

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<v Speaker 4>Canyons, canyons.

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<v Speaker 5>That's pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 5>Slot slot,

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<v Speaker 4>Canyons, canyons.

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<v Speaker 4>They were pretty much the only bad place.

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<v Speaker 2>The only bad subway is pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I've changed

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<v Speaker 4>Position.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, some ways they're kind of like a, like an urban canyon.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So accounts call them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll meet you down at the urban canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, okay Bob, shall we start with your paranormal experiences?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 4>There's this town, you know, a NOCCA, right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the Halloween capital of the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they're called.

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<v Speaker 4>I forgot about

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<v Speaker 2>That.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called a NOCCA NOCCA and okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Minnesota is the most exotic city.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not exotic at all.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 4>They used to have like Halloween battles with other cities a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, oh man.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the history of that very much.

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<v Speaker 4>They just had, it was a lot of times like giant pumpkin carving or they would try to have like the biggest pumpkin and like more haunted houses.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm talking about like manufactured event, haunted houses and like Halloween parties and a bigger parade than like all these other towns.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they would do that consistently until the other towns like quit trying to compete or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they claimed whatever the they're the Halloween capital.

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<v Speaker 4>So they take over the town with parades and parties and costumes and just stuff for like weeks leading up to Halloween.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been that way forever.

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<v Speaker 4>They're probably part of the reason why Halloween stuff starts coming out in July.

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<v Speaker 4>Now they do have like a rich history.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, in general, they've got, they've got like a really cool old state hospital there that has all kinds of like haunted lore behind it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, ghosts like coming into the tunnels that lead into the city because they do have actual tunnels that you can go into and see that go from the state hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>That's two miles outside of town into like bars and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>No,

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<v Speaker 2>That was the original use of that.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't bars originally.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like some other, you know, facility like a clinic or something that had some, you know, it was where maybe, uh, an intake like a new patient would come in or something, or

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<v Speaker 2>They had tunnels connecting them.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like very extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Now just walk across the two miles.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe if they had to bring somebody to an appointment to a certain place, or maybe if somebody was coming in privacy possibly.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know because they've never opened up the actual place for tours.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't like share a lot of that stuff, but it's public knowledge that, that stuff exists.

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<v Speaker 4>And you can see it.

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<v Speaker 4>The other story that I'm gonna talk to you about later on the next episode or whatever is of a sanatorium and they had tunnels and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>And they, but they told us what it's about.

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>So this is very mysterious and the lore builds up because it's there.

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<v Speaker 4>And when we were kids, even it was still being used.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, and there's like one building there that they still use for some stuff, but they like made a state hospital, a couple of blocks away and then they just abandoned this place.

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<v Speaker 4>One really cool thing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is, this has nothing to do with my story.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like setting the scene, right.

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<v Speaker 4>There's this really interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was like a lot outside of the main grounds of this place.

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<v Speaker 4>So you drive in and there's like this circular courtyard, and it's just surrounded by these like four and five story.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool old brick, like brownstone type buildings.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the state hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>And outside of that to the south, there was this loosely fenced in area that had like a gate you could go into.

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<v Speaker 4>And there were all these little stone numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had been there when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just found out, not that long ago, they like added a bunch of placards because what it was was a mass grave.

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<v Speaker 4>They would just basically, when an inmate would die, they'd put them there.

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<v Speaker 4>And the number that was on the ground on these little disks was their intake number.

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<v Speaker 4>And there were like hundreds of them in there.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the historical society was approached by somebody that basically said, you know, you should, we should figure out who these people are and give them appropriate markers and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Cause there were a lot of people that didn't even know their family members were there.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they did that.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the city ended up paying to have this plotted out.

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<v Speaker 4>They found like old registers that showed what patients were, what number.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was crazy how many people were just there unknown by their family and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great that they're able to track down that information.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>And again, you know, just obviously like a lot of folklore that Springs up around it or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>So during Halloween they have ghost tours, foot ghost tours, and they're put on by the historical society.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot of good information that goes in behind it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also like this super antique heavy town.

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<v Speaker 4>It was established in the mid 18 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's an old, old city and they've got it so that all the storefronts on main street have to be maintained to their original design and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like this brick and cobblestone place.

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<v Speaker 4>I used to go antique shopping there as a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was, it wasn't that

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<v Speaker 2>Like high brow

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<v Speaker 4>Little kid, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I liked like old patches and stuff and they were so, you know, easily accessible.

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<v Speaker 4>I could like bike to this town from my house.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>There wasn't anything else to do in Dayton.

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<v Speaker 4>That's for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>So like, I'd go to a NOCCA and go to the antique shops.

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<v Speaker 4>There was this one antique shop and I had no idea about the history of it.

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<v Speaker 4>There was one time or I think at least two times where I had been there and I was just hanging out and that stuff, they had even things on the front lawn and a porch for sale.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was this huge building with Greek columns.

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<v Speaker 4>It had this big entryway with like an arched staircase and a front porch.

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<v Speaker 4>And like these big Greek columns, like, uh, like the Parthenon or whatever, what kind of Greek columns?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, like Doric yeah, that's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know it it's the one on fourth avenue to the south, like third building behind the old post office.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, I would smell like really strong cigar smoke going up into the stairs and there was never anybody smoking there or whatever that was it that's, that's like, that's one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>Actually reminds me of experience that I have.

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<v Speaker 2>So I work in the world trade center in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like this huge industrial building and we use, you know, you can use, you can access the stairs to get around if you don't want to take the elevator.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're going up before or something, it's easier to just take the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>And my grandfather was kind of like how to, you know, he, he had a room where he would like, it would be very dark and it was kind of his Dan and he would watch like old Western movies on VHS and like smoke cigars.

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<v Speaker 2>And it had a very specific smell to it.

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<v Speaker 2>There was this one day where I was just having like a day and I was walking in these concrete, industrial stairs that are, there's no way there's like cigar smoke or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just smelled so much like him, like in that, that specific dense smell, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>So it was one of those things who knows what was causing the smell, but it was just, it was nice, like a nice little association my brain had with him in that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So that

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<v Speaker 4>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 4>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>So one of those times it was S it was one of the times that I had smelled the cigar smoke in this place.

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<v Speaker 4>You go in here and there's like this big entryway and these desks kind of set up in the front foyer and you can see up to this like little balcony on the second floor.

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<v Speaker 4>There's these big wooden stairs that kind of wrap around this room.

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<v Speaker 4>And then there's like, the whole rest of the building is kind of a U shape.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you can go to the left or the right from this room, walk around the back and then back in the front.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's like a set of stairs in the back part to that, that goes up to the upstairs, which is just a rectangle, like the main floor go in there, looking around.

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<v Speaker 4>And I went up the back stairs, which I had done before.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's a really weird setup there.

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<v Speaker 4>So you can tell that there used to be a way out the back of this building there, and that it doesn't quite match the whole floor plan of the first floor.

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<v Speaker 4>There's, there's a few things here.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're paying attention, when you step through around this circle, that the rooms in the back of the building and the rooms in the front don't equate the entire square footage of the building,

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<v Speaker 2>Missing a space

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<v Speaker 4>In the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So like the panic room would be in the middle essentially if that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>But the it's really easy to figure out because if you're going up the back stairs, there's like a door that's cut halfway into the wall in buying the stairs.

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<v Speaker 4>They built the stairs over a door.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I see.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>I was curious what you meant by halfway through.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So like, if you're on the fifth step, if you moved over to the right, your foot would be touching like the middle of a door.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the door can't function anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like the, like they built the staircase after the door was already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So like the stairs are just built over top of the door and they didn't figure to just like cut the door out and frame it.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the wall.

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<v Speaker 4>You can still see the door 100%.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see that it opened outward to where the stairs are.

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<v Speaker 4>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was one, the second time I'm here.

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<v Speaker 4>When I smelled the cigar smoke, I also like heard some tapping in there and it was like, no big deal.

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<v Speaker 4>I just figured whatever they're working on something or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's just, you know, like a tapping sound like gentle like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I just continued chopping.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I mentioned something about it to the people at the front desk.

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<v Speaker 4>When I left, I bought some patches and I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, are they doing like some construction in there?

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<v Speaker 4>Something?

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<v Speaker 4>And they were like, no, why what happened?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, there was tapping in there.

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<v Speaker 4>And they kind of like looked at each other and just kind of smiled or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were like, no, there's nothing there.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like, that's the only door into that center room.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just, it was nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I left and that was it like fast forward, maybe like seven years after that.

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<v Speaker 4>And I went on a ghost tour and that was one of the stops.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you were like, I had an experience here and I'm paying you to teach

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<v Speaker 5>Me about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Hang on.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's let's let's finish this out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So I found out about this place[inaudible] for, it was a bunch of different things.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, at one point it had been a doctor's office, like when it was first built and this, this guy that had it, he liked that like Greek style and everything is why he did that.

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<v Speaker 4>He lived there upstairs every day after working this doctor would go out and smoke cigars on the front steps.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a common thing that people notice there.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's something that could definitely be the people that own it just like having some sort of cigar incense burning or something really committed It is.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't think that's what it was like.

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<v Speaker 4>It, I know it was just this mild cigar smell and I've talked to other people who have, who have experienced it.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cool that you experienced that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you sort of had it validated, not that you like were skeptical, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>But kind of like, oh, I just noticed this thing and then, oh, a bunch of people haven't oh, here's the history of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I never had given it any thought.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just like, oh, maybe somebody is, cause you can smell cigar smoke like down in the corners.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, so there was that.

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<v Speaker 4>And then at another point after he had died, it became, they used it as like a mortuary or something because a lot of his setup for operating and some things like that, uh, was just, I think kind of beneficial for them to do homicide.

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<v Speaker 4>What is a mortuary?

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<v Speaker 4>Like a funeral home.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they had put in this back door.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was the space that you could tell like opened out in the back, uh, was an addition to the first construction.

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>The central room was like a, like some kind of an operating room.

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<v Speaker 4>And then also, I mean, this isn't from the 1800.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they decided to, to block that up for some reason

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<v Speaker 4>At that time still they used it as a place where they would do like the body preparations and they would put the coffins out with the bodies in them, through that back door, there was, it was high up off the ground, but it lined up right with like a state, like a coach, like a funeral coach first coach, the loading dock.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>That was another thing that they mentioned on the tour.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like, we often have people who hear some pounding in there and it's maybe coffins being nailed shut or something or pipes.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be pipes.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be, it could be hon pipes will not like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I will say like, you know, I I've worked in the trades and stuff and I know what knocking pipes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>Fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to

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<v Speaker 4>Vouch for your credentials.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not usually, it's not usually quite like this.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this sounded like wood being knocked either knocked like, like by hand or by some small instrument or something.

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<v Speaker 4>That's

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe that that's paranormal?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, do you believe that those experiences you had where some sort of spiritual memory or something of, of this thing, or do you think it was just a coincidence?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>They could be again, you know, I'm not, I'm not throwing all into to that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>But I, but I also don't know like what I'm looking for for any more confirmation or something, either the more things that I have experienced since that time, like it, it is easier to put some kind of stock into that, like as a possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any other stories, Bob?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but when I had a farm, it was actually called ghost cat farm.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's because anybody that would come there frequently there had, they had some sort of, uh, like interaction with some cat that didn't exist in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it an old farm house?

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<v Speaker 2>No,

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<v Speaker 4>Not old.

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<v Speaker 4>2005.

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<v Speaker 2>And multiple people were like, oh, that was a cute cat.

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<v Speaker 2>You have

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<v Speaker 4>Like, no saw a cat there.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw one once in a reflection in the window, like a Calico cat sitting on the stairs behind me, like, look, I was freaked out.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was like a pretty clear reflection.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I also thought like, eh, you see a lot of things in reflections that aren't

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Like when you look in the mirror and I'm just like, oh, what a, what a phony,

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<v Speaker 4>Not in the mirror, not in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about like, when you, when you're looking at a window reflection and you can see what's out the window, but you can also see some of the indoors reflection too.

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<v Speaker 4>And the things mix and like maybe one of those is dark either it's during the day.

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<v Speaker 4>And you can see outside very clearly in a faint reflection inside, or it's a clearer indoor reflection and it's dark outside and there's shadows and the blending is like illusory or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>So I saw that my friend Marshall, several times, like he came over and he was on the other side of the kitchen island from me.

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<v Speaker 4>And he like bent down by his feet once, like, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he did it two or three more times.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the times he did his little sound and I was like, what are you, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, oh, I'm just trying to get your cat to come back so I can pet it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, there is no cat here.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what

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<v Speaker 2>Happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Like in front of

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<v Speaker 4>You, it happened where he was standing there and like reaching down to get the cat to come back that he thought he saw out of the corner of his eye.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Convincing.

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<v Speaker 4>And that happened with multiple different people that don't know each other, at least like 10 or 12 people.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like, oh, you know, the cat went away or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, no, there is no cat here inside

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<v Speaker 2>Your house.

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<v Speaker 3>How long did it take you to call your farm ghost cat farm?

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<v Speaker 4>We thought about it for a while and like put some different names out and put a vote out on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the one that won

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<v Speaker 5>And quick cat fact, uh, oh, here we go.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 5>So, uh, you know, oftentimes people catch their cats just staring at walls.

00:20:35.849 --> 00:20:39.779
<v Speaker 5>Lots of theories about like, do they see other dimensions?

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<v Speaker 5>Are they seeing spirits and whatnot?

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<v Speaker 5>It just, I was just reading this thread and like, I dunno, V a vet cat expert, whatever chimed in, apparently just because they can hear a totally different frequency spectrum than humans, the way that pipes resonate, attract cats attention.

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<v Speaker 5>And so like, they'll just, they're staring at the wall because they hear a strange sound coming from the pipes.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>James says that

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<v Speaker 2>All the time, he's always just sitting and staring blankly,

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<v Speaker 5>But I mean, it makes sense if all of a sudden you're just hearing like a weird sound coming from something you would, it would grab your attention, but we can't hear it because it's outside of our free frequency spectrum.

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<v Speaker 5>That

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<v Speaker 4>Makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and Bob and I both work in healthcare and I've heard so many times about cats knowing when people are going to die and you know, like hospice centers will have cats that hang out with people while they're passing and stay with them until after they've passed.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that true for dogs as well?

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<v Speaker 5>I've heard

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<v Speaker 4>Dog's stories, dog versions of it, but cats are seem to be more freaking.

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<v Speaker 5>That's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>What was the ones that are cats are the S the, the shepherds to the underworld

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<v Speaker 2>Cats have always been, and I think animals too, but I think animals are a lot more perceptive of our emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>And we think that they are, if I'm ever crying, which is often because I'm a pretty weepy person, James will like come to me.

00:22:03.369 --> 00:22:09.160
<v Speaker 2>He he'll, you know, he knows if I'm, he understands that tears or whatever are me that I'm upset.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, James is a cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've talked about teams enough to use this the cat, but yeah, he'll come over and he'll, he'll acknowledge that one of the first lunatics films that you and I worked on together was a film called my cat is haunted.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a classic, which is a comedic take on the people who think cats are, can see other dimensions,

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<v Speaker 5>Terrifying, psychological thriller.

00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:34.960
<v Speaker 2>It's about a minute and 30 seconds long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll have to check that one out.

00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.460
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of like the godfather meets Jurassic park.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a class.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know how to put that together.

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<v Speaker 4>My mind

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<v Speaker 2>You broke Bob

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<v Speaker 4>Is the TRX the godfather?

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, please.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, no.

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<v Speaker 5>That's far too simplistic of a goat

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<v Speaker 4>Just to cap my story off.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>When we moved from that farm, that was like a air quotes farm.

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<v Speaker 4>I like turned to part of a old abandoned housing development back into a farm kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when I left that they hated me for it.

00:23:14.381 --> 00:23:17.710
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, when I left that we didn't feel like we could call it.

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<v Speaker 4>We actually moved to a farm and didn't feel like we could call it ghost cat farm, unless we like still have a ghost cat.

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<v Speaker 4>So we took a cat cage and like cat cage, you know, like a kennel, like a transportation killer cat carrier.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Just imagine like a little jail cell hanging from a chain, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Call it a cage.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>As a carrier.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 4>And we, uh, we like coaxed the goat cat in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Goat cat.

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<v Speaker 4>Did I say goat coax to the ghost, cat into it and then moved it to the new place.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't think it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I liked the ceremony.

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<v Speaker 4>We just, we just got a real cat.

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<v Speaker 4>That was like a ditch cat, like an abandoned cat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It was black and had like a little white star on it named, named at he, and that, that was just a

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<v Speaker 5>Real account.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a

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<v Speaker 4>Good cat name.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The end.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's super.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I had two tangents that, that I thought about what, which one is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So like, there's I learned in physics in high school that there's a virtual image.

00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:49.539
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

00:24:49.540 --> 00:24:50.920
<v Speaker 3>That's actually probably not the right term.

00:24:50.921 --> 00:24:52.150
<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure some listeners

00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:53.980
<v Speaker 5>It's called virtual image.

00:24:55.900 --> 00:25:06.789
<v Speaker 3>Like we did some kind of an experiment where you reflect the light with a mirror and then you hold like a piece of construction paper up, you get like a silhouette of the thing that's being reflected.

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.440
<v Speaker 3>I remember doing what the tree out the window of, of our, uh, classroom.

00:25:11.441 --> 00:25:14.349
<v Speaker 3>And you could see a tree on the construction paper.

00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.069
<v Speaker 2>So it sounds like, have you heard of the three Kings midnight ritual?

00:25:18.430 --> 00:25:18.789
<v Speaker 2>No.

00:25:19.029 --> 00:25:35.140
<v Speaker 2>So I talk about this often on this podcast, but there's lots of what I call midnight rituals, but like a bloody Mary would be one or a little boy blue or things you do at sleepovers with your friends when you're a little kid and one of them, that's kind of like this huge Reddit thing is three Kings.

00:25:35.141 --> 00:25:36.369
<v Speaker 2>And it's very specific, right?

00:25:36.371 --> 00:25:41.619
<v Speaker 2>Like at midnight, you need to turn your phone off and turn this light on and prep through Minera before.

00:25:41.621 --> 00:25:47.500
<v Speaker 2>And essentially what you do is you set up three chairs and two mirrors, and there's like a bucket of water.

00:25:47.500 --> 00:26:05.109
<v Speaker 2>And I can't, it's like this whole little thing you have to set up, but what happens is like you go into this room at pitch black or whatever, you just have your candle and you sit in a way and the reflections are in a way where you're, you see something out of the corner of your eye and these mirrors, but it sounds like that kind of thing could be exactly the scientific explanation of it.

00:26:05.111 --> 00:26:11.740
<v Speaker 2>You know, you're you see these like Royal figures it's supposed to be, but it's probably your own silhouette somehow, you know,

00:26:12.099 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 3>And one of the three chairs interest, it's like the ghosts on the haunted mansion ride at Disney

00:26:18.609 --> 00:26:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

00:26:19.900 --> 00:26:21.190
<v Speaker 2>There per their projections.

00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:21.609
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:26:21.849 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 5>So my high school physics teacher worked on the haunted mansion ride.

00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:29.470
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:30.130
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:31.509
<v Speaker 2>Full circle on that one.

00:26:32.619 --> 00:26:42.609
<v Speaker 5>Uh, he, I mean, he did a whole bunch of stuff for Disney and then as a very successful physicist slash mechanical engineer, whatever term it is.

00:26:42.611 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 5>Imagine your, imagine your well, his, his, uh, specialty was projection and holograms.

00:26:51.529 --> 00:26:54.970
<v Speaker 5>Uh, and obviously that was a huge market for Disney.

00:26:55.369 --> 00:26:58.299
<v Speaker 5>We we've all been on the haunted mansion ride, I assume.

00:26:59.079 --> 00:26:59.619
<v Speaker 5>Uh, think so.

00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.809
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's, it's really impressive, you know,

00:27:03.069 --> 00:27:04.420
<v Speaker 3>You would know then I haven't.

00:27:04.809 --> 00:27:04.809
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:27:04.869 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 3>I did a Muppet's ride at Disney and it was like, there were holograms of, um, Jackson are now two old guys.

00:27:13.569 --> 00:27:18.819
<v Speaker 3>No Beekman and oh, maybe it was a hologram of those guys, but I remember like beaker and Bunsen.

00:27:19.460 --> 00:27:19.460
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:27:19.809 --> 00:27:22.660
<v Speaker 3>Professor, professor Bunsen, Meeker, Meeker, or beaker.

00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:24.130
<v Speaker 3>Anyways, it

00:27:24.130 --> 00:27:25.059
<v Speaker 5>Was so cool.

00:27:26.529 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 5>He goes That's right.

00:27:29.009 --> 00:27:29.009
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:27:29.259 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 5>That's speaker.

00:27:29.890 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 5>But the difference on that, right.

00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:32.500
<v Speaker 5>As you were wearing glasses.

00:27:32.890 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 5>Okay.

00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:44.410
<v Speaker 5>And so Disney for however many decades has been working on the technology to have 3d effects without any visual apparatus that you have to wear.

00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 5>It works on the haunted mansion ride, because it's all about perspective.

00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 5>You're locked into a very specific spot.

00:27:50.840 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 5>It works from a very specific angle, you know, and it looks great.

00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.589
<v Speaker 5>But talking about like star Trek, right?

00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:04.190
<v Speaker 5>Uh, the whole idea of like a full holographic projection would change everything.

00:28:04.250 --> 00:28:04.700
<v Speaker 5>Right?

00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:09.380
<v Speaker 5>And like that is the end goal that they've been working on for decades and have still not perfected.

00:28:09.650 --> 00:28:11.779
<v Speaker 5>And my physics teacher would talk about this all the time.

00:28:12.019 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 5>How, you know, this would be a constant ongoing R and D project that they were literally pouring.

00:28:17.121 --> 00:28:22.069
<v Speaker 5>God knows how much money into and still to this day, decades later, not developing,

00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:30.650
<v Speaker 2>I will say one thing though, the avatar, one of the avatar rides at Disney and animal kingdom, which you wear glasses for.

00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:31.220
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:28:31.221 --> 00:28:32.539
<v Speaker 2>Which you wear glasses for.

00:28:32.779 --> 00:28:34.700
<v Speaker 2>I've only been to Disney as an adult.

00:28:34.701 --> 00:28:36.140
<v Speaker 2>And it would like really blows my mind.

00:28:36.141 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>It's really fun.

00:28:37.339 --> 00:28:42.589
<v Speaker 2>And so we went to the avatar ride because it was kind of new.

00:28:42.590 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>It was, everyone was talking about it, but it's a, it's a video game essentially.

00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:50.660
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, this is, we waited like three or four hours.

00:28:50.661 --> 00:28:50.900
<v Speaker 2>It was

00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:51.589
<v Speaker 5>Crazy.

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.269
<v Speaker 5>It was the brand new ride that season.

00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:53.930
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, this

00:28:53.930 --> 00:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Is going to be.

00:28:55.069 --> 00:28:56.299
<v Speaker 2>Like I want to go on space out.

00:28:56.309 --> 00:28:58.069
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do a video game like this.

00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:59.509
<v Speaker 2>Like, cause it's not like you don't go.

00:28:59.510 --> 00:29:01.099
<v Speaker 2>You don't even, you don't even leave anything.

00:29:01.101 --> 00:29:05.450
<v Speaker 2>You sit in a stationary like thing and it is so fun.

00:29:05.451 --> 00:29:07.579
<v Speaker 2>It is like the most fun I've ever had.

00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:16.309
<v Speaker 2>And so even though you do wear glasses, and even though it's like this very controlled environment and it's not that they do such a good job, it is so fun.

00:29:16.310 --> 00:29:19.589
<v Speaker 2>You feel like you are flying on one of those, what are they called?

00:29:20.089 --> 00:29:21.049
<v Speaker 2>Bird the bird things.

00:29:21.050 --> 00:29:21.230
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:29:21.259 --> 00:29:22.220
<v Speaker 2>It's so fun.

00:29:22.819 --> 00:29:23.779
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to think.

00:29:23.780 --> 00:29:28.009
<v Speaker 5>Was it, did you just wear glasses or did you wear like a full VR headset?

00:29:29.210 --> 00:29:29.930
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I don't remember.

00:29:29.931 --> 00:29:36.559
<v Speaker 2>You are something and then you were on sort of almost like a motor bike shape thing and you, it like ducks, you and yeah.

00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:39.619
<v Speaker 2>And, and you know, there's wind and spray and that kind of stuff.

00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:44.650
<v Speaker 2>And so you like dive into the ocean and it's like, you know, but you're, you're stationary for the most part,

00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:47.509
<v Speaker 5>But you sort of control how you fly.

00:29:48.049 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 5>It's pretty neat.

00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.369
<v Speaker 5>So you can have like, everybody has a little bit different experience.

00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:53.180
<v Speaker 5>I think.

00:29:53.181 --> 00:29:55.700
<v Speaker 5>So we're going with you.

00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:56.180
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely.

00:29:56.181 --> 00:29:56.900
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely.

00:29:56.910 --> 00:29:57.329
<v Speaker 5>Yes.

00:29:58.759 --> 00:29:59.059
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:29:59.089 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so yeah, I don't know.

00:30:01.069 --> 00:30:02.809
<v Speaker 2>Disney is got some magic.

00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 5>One last thing I want to say about just the magic of mirrors.

00:30:07.009 --> 00:30:26.420
<v Speaker 5>I was recently, uh, working and corporate building on wall street and they had a conference room where the, you know, full glass walls and you know, it's, it's those electronic walls where you can like touch the dial and it just goes full of Paik because they just send the electric current through it.

00:30:26.421 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of cool.

00:30:27.529 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 5>But they were tinted like, like a rainbow colors.

00:30:33.170 --> 00:30:38.150
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of weird, but what that did was it made the reflection.

00:30:38.750 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 5>What's the word I'm looking for it.

00:30:40.040 --> 00:30:45.750
<v Speaker 5>You couldn't tell the difference between a reflection and what was on the other side of the glass.

00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:48.029
<v Speaker 5>Like the opaqueness was totally.

00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.769
<v Speaker 5>So like, you know, you, you imagine just, you're looking through a glass wall, you can see your reflection.

00:30:52.770 --> 00:30:53.940
<v Speaker 5>You can see what's on the other side.

00:30:53.970 --> 00:30:54.299
<v Speaker 5>Right.

00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 5>There was zero way to tell what was the reflection and what was on the other side.

00:31:00.509 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 3>Like it was opaque enough that the people on their side looked like a reflection and the same amount of reflection as you.

00:31:06.690 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 5>I, I don't know exactly what was causing it.

00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:19.769
<v Speaker 5>It just was absolutely mind blowing because you never knew if someone was behind you or if someone was on the other side of the glass, very happy, completely throwing me.

00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:20.460
<v Speaker 4>You know what?

00:31:20.461 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 4>There's a, even to the Walker art center.

00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:26.579
<v Speaker 4>Did you go to the old sculpture garden before they tore it down?

00:31:26.580 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 4>Put the new one up?

00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:28.529
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember that one?

00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 4>It was like from the air, it would have looked like a cross and it was four just in the middle of like a hedge thing.

00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:39.000
<v Speaker 4>It was like four smokey panels of glass.

00:31:39.089 --> 00:31:41.789
<v Speaker 4>No, never saw that it had the same effect.

00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:46.740
<v Speaker 4>You could have people, you could have somebody walk around it and stand on the other side.

00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:50.819
<v Speaker 4>And they looked the same there as they did if they came over and stood next to you.

00:31:51.420 --> 00:32:08.069
<v Speaker 5>But it all circles back to like the old saying of smoke and mirrors, you know, like what things look mindblowing when viewed from a certain angle or just through a certain apparatus, even something that looks completely that is completely fabricated.

00:32:08.070 --> 00:32:08.789
<v Speaker 5>Can blow your mind.

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:09.490
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.210
<v Speaker 4>I don't understand the thing that you're trying to describe though, with the construction.

00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:19.140
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean, I, I don't understand it either.

00:32:19.141 --> 00:32:21.390
<v Speaker 3>I remember it as a demo when we set up our,

00:32:22.289 --> 00:32:24.329
<v Speaker 4>I don't even understand what you described.

00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:25.289
<v Speaker 4>Can you say it again?

00:32:25.589 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 5>It was, it was simple.

00:32:26.401 --> 00:32:31.380
<v Speaker 5>He had a mirror, some construction paper, a pentagram, and some bloodletting.

00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.559
<v Speaker 3>It was a rough demo

00:32:36.210 --> 00:32:38.940
<v Speaker 4>Pocket knife, bucket, bottom

00:32:38.940 --> 00:32:39.740
<v Speaker 3>Blood, whole

00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:41.490
<v Speaker 5>Blood chickens.

00:32:42.690 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I had one other thought I had it just said, we were talking about like animals, knowing things and being able to hear and see things.

00:32:47.641 --> 00:32:52.950
<v Speaker 3>I mean, people ask like, why, you know, we did this tracker school thing and they're like, why would you want to go do that?

00:32:53.609 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 3>And then you, you realize these are things that some people just know having spent a bunch of time in nature, everything is connected and they call it.

00:33:04.049 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a lot of philosophy and they kind of package it differently than maybe you might have learned, or maybe you never learned it.

00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 3>There is a guy there who wrote a book as a, like a long time friend of the guy that runs the school and the guy's book is about bird language.

00:33:18.029 --> 00:33:25.259
<v Speaker 3>So the idea is you hear a bird call and like the simplest example is an alarm call.

00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Like there might be a Hawk flying overhead.

00:33:29.161 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Speaker 3>And you hear, before you even see the Hawker, hear the hock, you hear the blue Jays just freaking out and they have their own call and they're all making noises.

00:33:36.721 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Right?

00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:42.089
<v Speaker 3>So like another example is a more complex example is crows are very smart, right?

00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:51.609
<v Speaker 3>And they may be on the edge of a forest and they may see a man walk into the woods and they make a call that tells the other crows, the man's walking into the woods and all the animals in the woods hear it.

00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:52.089
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:57.910
<v Speaker 3>But then like the next time the man comes back, he's got a gun and the crows know, and that guy walks into the woods.

00:33:57.911 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 3>They hear gunshots.

00:33:58.869 --> 00:34:10.809
<v Speaker 3>So they make a different call and, and the animals, including the deer here at every bar, every animal acts differently because they hear this Crow calling the gun, call the man with a gun call.

00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.570
<v Speaker 3>And so the deer may be more skiddish.

00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.010
<v Speaker 3>They may back down or hide.

00:34:15.369 --> 00:34:15.670
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:34:15.730 --> 00:34:19.059
<v Speaker 3>And, and there's so many examples of this for animals, just like, well,

00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:25.989
<v Speaker 4>And even beside that, like, it's not just that the crows say their thing on the edge of the woods.

00:34:25.990 --> 00:34:28.929
<v Speaker 4>And then the deer that are right there, here at an it's a different thing.

00:34:28.931 --> 00:34:30.909
<v Speaker 4>It's like these crows say it.

00:34:31.389 --> 00:34:35.710
<v Speaker 4>And any birds that are within earshot probably are going to say something too.

00:34:36.070 --> 00:34:41.139
<v Speaker 4>And you can imagine like throwing a pebble or a couple of pebbles into a pond and these concentric rings going out.

00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It's the exact plot of 101 Dalmatians.

00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:44.110
<v Speaker 2>It's

00:34:44.110 --> 00:34:44.889
<v Speaker 5>A mesh network.

00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Oh really?

00:34:45.849 --> 00:34:45.849
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

00:34:45.969 --> 00:34:48.070
<v Speaker 3>I may see original network.

00:34:49.630 --> 00:34:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:51.070
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

00:34:51.130 --> 00:34:52.150
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember that.

00:34:52.630 --> 00:34:52.630
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:34:52.659 --> 00:34:57.610
<v Speaker 5>Years ago I was trying to explain a mesh network to do Abby.

00:34:57.909 --> 00:35:00.579
<v Speaker 5>Just, this was something that was new to me.

00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.139
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was the coolest thing ever.

00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.050
<v Speaker 5>We were talking about wa a wifi mesh network.

00:35:05.380 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 5>And within seconds of me explaining that, she's like, oh, it's like, it's like 101 Dalmatians.

00:35:10.929 --> 00:35:11.889
<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, excuse me.

00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 5>I was like, yeah, the one puppy calls out and then the next puppy hears them and then calls out and then it just keeps going.

00:35:19.121 --> 00:35:22.059
<v Speaker 5>Like, that's exactly the perfect analogy for a mesh network.

00:35:22.420 --> 00:35:26.320
<v Speaker 2>It's also what they do in Lord of the rings where there's one, they like one torch.

00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:33.460
<v Speaker 2>And then the guy 50, my whatever sees that torch, he likes his torch and they cover hundreds of miles lighting the torches.

00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:34.750
<v Speaker 2>It's like an alert system.

00:35:34.751 --> 00:35:38.050
<v Speaker 2>That's obviously those are not naturally occurring, but like

00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:40.300
<v Speaker 4>They do that on the great wall of China.

00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:40.659
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:35:41.349 --> 00:35:41.349
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

00:35:41.409 --> 00:35:46.989
<v Speaker 2>It's also interesting that you use crows as an example because there was a viral article this week.

00:35:46.990 --> 00:35:53.590
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you, you wouldn't have seen cause you were in the woods about how crows understand the concept of zero.

00:35:54.190 --> 00:35:55.059
<v Speaker 3>How do they know that?

00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:56.949
<v Speaker 2>I didn't read it.

00:35:56.951 --> 00:35:57.460
<v Speaker 2>I just have

00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.260
<v Speaker 5>A survey out.

00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:00.699
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:36:00.909 --> 00:36:02.019
<v Speaker 3>He can do so much.

00:36:02.050 --> 00:36:09.730
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they can, like, they know how to like use the traffic in Tokyo as a tool to open their seafood.

00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:11.619
<v Speaker 3>They're like, I've got an oyster.

00:36:11.621 --> 00:36:14.980
<v Speaker 3>They dropped the oyster, the even know what the traffic lights mean.

00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:16.329
<v Speaker 3>So they watch the lights.

00:36:16.331 --> 00:36:16.750
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:36:17.110 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 3>And like, people like the first they'll like, they'll see the traffic going by.

00:36:20.681 --> 00:36:23.260
<v Speaker 3>They drop an oyster traffic drives over the oyster.

00:36:23.889 --> 00:36:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Then they know when the light changes and the people are all going to cross, but they get to the crosswalk, they drop into crosswalk.

00:36:29.829 --> 00:36:33.340
<v Speaker 3>They get to the crosswalk and pick up the food before the people get there.

00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 3>And they know it's safe.

00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:37.090
<v Speaker 3>It's I mean, they, they can use tools.

00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 3>They're crazy smart.

00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:41.389
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how they got zero,

00:36:41.539 --> 00:36:52.420
<v Speaker 5>But as watching a thing where some guy trained a wild crows to drop off trash and bottles and whatnot for seeds or whatever treats, treats.

00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:53.690
<v Speaker 5>Look with this.

00:36:54.289 --> 00:36:57.860
<v Speaker 4>They were like vending machines for the crows that picked up litter.

00:36:58.219 --> 00:36:58.429
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:36:58.431 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 4>It was super cool.

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 3>There's like, God, there was somebody who like would feed crows.

00:37:02.989 --> 00:37:09.019
<v Speaker 3>And then, uh, they had, uh, there was a photo of everything that the crows ever brought them.

00:37:09.219 --> 00:37:13.699
<v Speaker 3>Cause I think it was like this little girl grew up feeding the crows.

00:37:13.730 --> 00:37:17.690
<v Speaker 3>And then as she got older, she'd like lose something.

00:37:17.750 --> 00:37:30.349
<v Speaker 3>Like, I guess there was like a lens cap from her camera that she dropped off of a bridge and she got home and it was like on her doorstep and the crows and the crows were like watching out for, and, and they had like rocks and all these things that the crows would bring her.

00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:38.989
<v Speaker 3>And I've heard of people either like befriending crows and the crows, like hang out at their place or like crows off.

00:37:39.409 --> 00:37:41.150
<v Speaker 3>And they get harassed like all around town.

00:37:41.150 --> 00:37:49.219
<v Speaker 3>I mean, In Minneapolis, there's like, there's like a huge in the winter, just like thousands of crows.

00:37:49.579 --> 00:37:54.260
<v Speaker 3>And they move around the city and like, they might plant themselves in your neighborhood for like three days.

00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:56.360
<v Speaker 3>And it's just crows, crows, crows.

00:37:56.929 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 3>And somebody started a Twitter account to be like, this is like the crow's Twitter and this is where they are and what they're doing.

00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:04.070
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:08.179
<v Speaker 4>They go to Abbot the hospital usually in November.

00:38:08.420 --> 00:38:09.889
<v Speaker 4>And there's just thousands of them.

00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:11.179
<v Speaker 4>It's creepy.

00:38:11.181 --> 00:38:12.380
<v Speaker 4>They fly around at night.

00:38:13.010 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 4>That is creepy.

00:38:13.641 --> 00:38:13.969
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:38:14.329 --> 00:38:18.380
<v Speaker 4>One other thing about this, like it kind of goes into the tracker stuff.

00:38:18.739 --> 00:38:19.070
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

00:38:19.070 --> 00:38:26.389
<v Speaker 4>They, they, they, they kind of teach you to be aware of your own impact on those rings in a way that allows you to kind of be closer to nature.

00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:37.159
<v Speaker 4>And like the idea is to be as in tune with the environment and not disrupting things enough that you could like touch animals and I will throw one other plug out there.

00:38:37.161 --> 00:38:39.469
<v Speaker 4>It's not a horror movie, but it ties into this.

00:38:39.829 --> 00:38:42.769
<v Speaker 4>There was this great documentary on Netflix a while back.

00:38:42.771 --> 00:38:45.110
<v Speaker 4>It might still be there called my life as a Turkey.

00:38:45.139 --> 00:38:46.309
<v Speaker 4>Did anybody watch that?

00:38:46.670 --> 00:38:47.750
<v Speaker 4>No, can't say that they did.

00:38:47.751 --> 00:38:49.309
<v Speaker 4>It was fantastic.

00:38:49.311 --> 00:38:51.860
<v Speaker 4>It's one of the best documentaries that I've ever seen.

00:38:51.889 --> 00:39:00.679
<v Speaker 4>This guy got these hatchling turkeys or he got the eggs from a guy who had a nest that like have wild turkeys that the mother had died or something.

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:08.630
<v Speaker 4>So he hatched them and they imprinted on him and he only had them inside for a couple of days and then decided they I'm going to let them be out on the Bayou.

00:39:09.019 --> 00:39:12.260
<v Speaker 4>And, but I'm going to live with them because they can't just be on their own.

00:39:12.739 --> 00:39:22.730
<v Speaker 4>And so he did for a year, he lived out there with them and it opened like one of the really cool things is we learned a lot about turkeys because of his work with them.

00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 4>Right.

00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Cause he saw things that nobody else has ever seen.

00:39:26.150 --> 00:39:30.949
<v Speaker 4>And also we learned about other things in that environment because it opened up doors to him.

00:39:31.219 --> 00:39:44.039
<v Speaker 4>Turkeys are one of the first like primary alarm calls for an area and other animals would just come up and approach him and touch him because they were comfortable with him because the turkeys didn't tell them that he was a bad guy.

00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:45.929
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

00:39:46.969 --> 00:39:48.510
<v Speaker 5>So turkeys are the narcs.

00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:49.050
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

00:39:50.889 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot blue Jays too, for sure.

00:39:54.510 --> 00:39:54.510
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:54.869
<v Speaker 3>Definitely.

00:39:55.380 --> 00:40:02.670
<v Speaker 2>My parents' backyard is a little, uh, epicenter of, it's like a, it's like a con like almost a closed ecosystem.

00:40:02.670 --> 00:40:08.670
<v Speaker 2>It's small, but they have lots and lots of plants and bird feeders and bird baths and stuff.

00:40:08.670 --> 00:40:12.300
<v Speaker 2>And you can just sit there and, and there's a cute, scary dog that lives there.

00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:15.179
<v Speaker 2>That's like super friendly, but barks really loud and aggressively.

00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:18.059
<v Speaker 2>There's just so much bird life.

00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>And so it's a tiny little like section of really populated town, but you can just sit there and throughout a day, like hundreds of birds will come and go and, and bunnies and squirrels and there's something in deer before they put up like fences and something about it.

00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:38.550
<v Speaker 2>Like there's, you know, they know that the food is there obviously, but they feel comfortable even with this huge barking dog to like come by, you know?

00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:39.329
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:40:39.331 --> 00:40:48.300
<v Speaker 3>When those become hotspots too, you start to see like really uncommon migratory birds that just show up and it's like, somehow they get through the bird network.

00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:49.590
<v Speaker 3>That food.

00:40:49.829 --> 00:40:57.809
<v Speaker 5>Well fun fact, just because this is your first trip to New York, central park is one of the best birdwatching hotspots on the east coast.

00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:05.429
<v Speaker 5>So it's just a sprawling green area, surrounded by miles and miles of metropolitan city life.

00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:13.500
<v Speaker 5>So it is one of the most diverse ecosystems for birds, uh, because they're migrating along the east coast and they just see this gigantic Oasis.

00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:17.610
<v Speaker 5>So people come from all over because the, the species count is incredible.

00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:20.610
<v Speaker 3>Hmm that's that's really cool.

00:41:21.030 --> 00:41:22.019
<v Speaker 3>That makes sense though.

00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 3>It does.

00:41:22.530 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 3>If it like the whole area was the migratory route and they just kind of got funneled down to the park.

00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.880
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of sad, but it's also sad,

00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:30.210
<v Speaker 5>But

00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:36.449
<v Speaker 3>Actually like two, two of the three stories I have are tangential to what we've already talked about with ghost stories.

00:41:36.451 --> 00:41:37.500
<v Speaker 3>That's perfect.

00:41:37.501 --> 00:41:38.010
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:47.039
<v Speaker 3>So I want to circle back to steam tunnels because I went to UWA Madison, Wisconsin, and there's an elaborate network of steam tunnels.

00:41:47.041 --> 00:41:50.610
<v Speaker 3>And when you ask, like why, why tunnels?

00:41:51.179 --> 00:41:55.559
<v Speaker 3>There were, I mean, a lot of the Midwest universities were steam powered and ethical or steam heated.

00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:02.460
<v Speaker 3>And I think that was a lot of schools and like university of Minnesota in Minneapolis and St.

00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:09.090
<v Speaker 3>Paul and also Duluth had tunnels and Madison and they were used by students for years.

00:42:09.150 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I think they like, I

00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.429
<v Speaker 5>Think that's dangerous

00:42:11.789 --> 00:42:12.420
<v Speaker 3>Potentially.

00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:14.489
<v Speaker 3>I think that's why they shut them down.

00:42:14.550 --> 00:42:23.099
<v Speaker 3>And I think most of them shut down in like the seventies, uh, I believe dilutes still uses theirs or they kind of retrofitted them to be more aesthetically pleasing.

00:42:23.610 --> 00:42:26.579
<v Speaker 3>The twin cities has a bunch of work arounds for bad weather.

00:42:26.581 --> 00:42:28.230
<v Speaker 3>Like they've got the Skyway,

00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.090
<v Speaker 4>We have the first skyways.

00:42:30.510 --> 00:42:31.739
<v Speaker 5>So like the Skyway

00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.429
<v Speaker 3>Skyways are like these like glass tunnels between buildings above street level.

00:42:36.030 --> 00:42:36.030
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:42:36.090 --> 00:42:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Which a lot of people have now, but yeah, they have like a really big network and those are open.

00:42:40.389 --> 00:42:41.949
<v Speaker 3>Most of them are open 24 7.

00:42:41.951 --> 00:42:44.380
<v Speaker 3>So people are in them even, even at night.

00:42:44.380 --> 00:42:44.829
<v Speaker 3>So like,

00:42:45.219 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 4>I even go through parts of office buildings so that there's like an indoor star sidewalk.

00:42:49.869 --> 00:42:55.090
<v Speaker 4>Even if you don't have any reason to be in that building, you can like walk through all of downtown without outside.

00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 3>That's so cool.

00:42:55.601 --> 00:42:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course

00:42:57.710 --> 00:43:03.010
<v Speaker 2>I feel is like a 20 mile, like connection like that, where you can pretty much be always endorsed.

00:43:03.460 --> 00:43:03.699
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:43:03.730 --> 00:43:07.030
<v Speaker 5>For some reason it's ridiculously hard to get permits for that in New York.

00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 5>There's like only a handful of them.

00:43:09.610 --> 00:43:16.150
<v Speaker 5>And over the last few decades, most of the, the few remaining have been like dismantled and taken down.

00:43:16.210 --> 00:43:17.769
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why if they're so cool.

00:43:18.099 --> 00:43:18.489
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 3>It's neat.

00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:34.690
<v Speaker 2>There's a really cool university in Pittsburgh called Chatham that one of my best friends went to, and it has incredible, like it has tunnel systems that sort of connect these like old mansion houses that are, nor that now the dorms to like other places.

00:43:34.690 --> 00:43:37.900
<v Speaker 2>And there's this, all of this like crazy lore about them being haunted.

00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:41.590
<v Speaker 2>And like, they use them in like the seventies for punk concerts and stuff.

00:43:41.590 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>So when you go down now, the like vibe is very cool because it's all these old punk posters and stickers and graffiti, but they have the, and you can access them very easily, but they're not in use anymore.

00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.409
<v Speaker 2>And they're not like lit or anything.

00:43:53.411 --> 00:43:56.500
<v Speaker 2>So we had some like creepy little experiences down there.

00:43:56.619 --> 00:43:57.130
<v Speaker 2>Oh, well,

00:43:57.309 --> 00:43:59.260
<v Speaker 3>That's you just trumped me.

00:43:59.289 --> 00:44:07.849
<v Speaker 3>But I was going to say being in Madison, there was this gentleman named, I mean, I didn't know his full name, but people call them tunnel Bob tunnel Bob.

00:44:09.250 --> 00:44:13.539
<v Speaker 3>And he would, he would, I would just see him like around town.

00:44:13.659 --> 00:44:14.889
<v Speaker 3>He never busked.

00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:19.570
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm not sure he would identify as homeless and the rumor was, he lived in the tunnels.

00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:22.090
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he had an apartment outside.

00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:30.460
<v Speaker 3>Like if he really lived in tunnels or he had an apartment outside there, but he'd show up, like, he'd be riding the bus to where you would think would be like nowhere and get off in the middle of nowhere.

00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:32.829
<v Speaker 3>And presumably just hop into a tunnel.

00:44:32.831 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Like he knew the systems really well.

00:44:34.121 --> 00:44:41.409
<v Speaker 3>And I had heard some of my peers befriended him and he would take them on tours to the steam tunnels dude was

00:44:41.409 --> 00:44:42.070
<v Speaker 5>A ninja turtle.

00:44:42.429 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Yup.

00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:43.750
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

00:44:43.809 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Also there, I, I saw my first New York cockroach just a little bit ago and, um, welcome to the club.

00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:51.940
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:44:51.969 --> 00:45:04.989
<v Speaker 3>And, uh, I didn't think cockroach has lived in the Midwest and then it turned out my dorm and a food service area that will not be named on this podcast had cockroaches.

00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:08.530
<v Speaker 3>And I w I was an entomology major, which is insects.

00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 3>So I, I

00:45:09.699 --> 00:45:11.289
<v Speaker 5>Hang the time of your life and your evil.

00:45:12.460 --> 00:45:18.969
<v Speaker 3>So, uh, actually like I had to create this collection and, and I was so excited that I got a cockroach because it helped

00:45:18.969 --> 00:45:20.739
<v Speaker 2>Towards my grade, that major,

00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:27.489
<v Speaker 3>I took a class called insects and human culture to fulfill some biology requirement.

00:45:27.490 --> 00:45:29.019
<v Speaker 3>And my professor, Dr.

00:45:29.021 --> 00:45:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Paskowitz was

00:45:30.460 --> 00:45:31.360
<v Speaker 5>Shout out to Dr.

00:45:31.659 --> 00:45:32.289
<v Speaker 5>Pam shadows, a

00:45:32.590 --> 00:45:32.590
<v Speaker 3>Dr.

00:45:32.590 --> 00:45:34.900
<v Speaker 3>Paskowitz, who was actually, I worked in her lab, even.

00:45:34.909 --> 00:45:36.230
<v Speaker 3>She was a medical entomologist.

00:45:36.789 --> 00:45:44.449
<v Speaker 3>She, she just like taught us about how insects have affected like religion and agriculture and like human movement.

00:45:44.539 --> 00:45:49.250
<v Speaker 3>And we got to raise a caterpillar during the class and journal about it.

00:45:49.460 --> 00:45:50.449
<v Speaker 3>It was amazing

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:51.949
<v Speaker 5>From caterpillar to butterfly,

00:45:52.369 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh, to moth tell him it was a, it was a Hawk moth.

00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.840
<v Speaker 3>It was beautiful.

00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:03.469
<v Speaker 3>A tobacco horn worm, tobacco horn was going to say it must've been a worm, not a caterpillar.

00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, uh, it was a caterpillar.

00:46:05.659 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 3>Most people call them worms, turned into moths, caterpillars, turn into butterflies.

00:46:09.590 --> 00:46:13.400
<v Speaker 3>You can't argue that that's a common, I mean, that's probably a common thing.

00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 3>I had never heard that, but I believe it anyways, it would like when you raise it, it would get to the certain size what would happen as you keep it a little Tupperware container.

00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.219
<v Speaker 3>And all of a sudden, instead of eating, it would just start circling the container.

00:46:25.221 --> 00:46:30.829
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, she was like, that's when you know, you put it into a two-liter bottle full of dirt and it goes down into the dirt.

00:46:31.340 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 3>So maybe that's why they called it a worm.

00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.449
<v Speaker 3>And then it would form this cocoon underground.

00:46:35.489 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I never knew this.

00:46:36.949 --> 00:46:41.929
<v Speaker 3>And then it would just like, come up, you'd put the cocoon on top of the soil.

00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:43.340
<v Speaker 3>Cause it didn't really matter where it was.

00:46:43.849 --> 00:46:47.179
<v Speaker 3>And one day you'd just like wake up and there'd be a moth in your, in your little cage.

00:46:47.329 --> 00:46:47.329
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:50.300
<v Speaker 5>Wait, moths, cocoon underground.

00:46:50.690 --> 00:46:52.190
<v Speaker 3>I think not some of them.

00:46:52.190 --> 00:46:52.730
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:53.630
<v Speaker 3>I was shocked.

00:46:53.630 --> 00:47:04.070
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is like, this is like a tobacco and tomato pest and you don't actually see them that you see them a lot in Indiana, but that's much in, in Western Wisconsin, but they're beautiful.

00:47:04.099 --> 00:47:05.539
<v Speaker 3>They're gorgeous caterpillars.

00:47:05.809 --> 00:47:09.590
<v Speaker 5>This has been the most off topic, but most fascinating episode before

00:47:10.940 --> 00:47:11.659
<v Speaker 3>This is me.

00:47:11.690 --> 00:47:13.489
<v Speaker 3>I do really well.

00:47:13.730 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 3>Tangential.

00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:47:15.469 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 5>Underground.

00:47:16.161 --> 00:47:17.179
<v Speaker 5>That's mind blowing.

00:47:17.269 --> 00:47:17.420
<v Speaker 5>I'm

00:47:17.420 --> 00:47:20.119
<v Speaker 2>More mind blown that you decided to study in Sydney.

00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:21.230
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:47:21.590 --> 00:47:25.369
<v Speaker 3>I actually like, I went to her and she was, she was, I was like, what do I do?

00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 3>How can I study this?

00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:32.510
<v Speaker 3>And, and Madison is one of two colleges in Wisconsin that does an entomology major.

00:47:32.929 --> 00:47:34.210
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, well, you take this intro class.

00:47:34.260 --> 00:47:37.010
<v Speaker 3>The intro class is like six credits, lot of work.

00:47:37.309 --> 00:47:40.250
<v Speaker 3>And you make a huge insect collection and do a bunch of field work.

00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:40.699
<v Speaker 3>So.

00:47:41.179 --> 00:47:41.420
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

00:47:41.449 --> 00:47:43.309
<v Speaker 2>And then you were like hooked.

00:47:43.610 --> 00:47:44.150
<v Speaker 3>I was hooked.

00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:45.500
<v Speaker 3>I studied in labs.

00:47:45.501 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 3>I studied kissing bugs and mosquitoes,

00:47:49.219 --> 00:47:50.449
<v Speaker 5>Super dangerous.

00:47:50.989 --> 00:47:50.989
<v Speaker 5>Uh,

00:47:51.019 --> 00:47:54.139
<v Speaker 3>The transmitted disease in Brazil called Chagas.

00:47:54.530 --> 00:47:54.530
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:47:54.829 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 3>And then, um, yeah, uh, mosquitoes, yellow jackets, aphids, and just potato fields.

00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:04.369
<v Speaker 3>What kind of bugs in up in potato fields.

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:04.730
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:05.449
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.269
<v Speaker 3>I, I miss it a lot, but I like what I do.

00:48:08.269 --> 00:48:10.969
<v Speaker 5>So, so you ha you haven't kept up with it as a hobby?

00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.849
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, I think I've, I've had kept an interest in it.

00:48:14.449 --> 00:48:16.489
<v Speaker 3>I have a thing about like naming things.

00:48:17.030 --> 00:48:17.030
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:48:17.210 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Which is probably why we do the, I mean the tracker school thing is cool too, but I mean, that's super cool classifying things.

00:48:23.539 --> 00:48:25.550
<v Speaker 3>So I think I was more attracted to the taxonomy.

00:48:25.550 --> 00:48:25.969
<v Speaker 3>And then

00:48:26.539 --> 00:48:33.239
<v Speaker 5>I actually had a mildly similar caterpillar experience, but it was in, into butterflies.

00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:39.420
<v Speaker 5>I was given this kit as a kid where, you know, you it's, it's just like a little butterfly garden.

00:48:39.750 --> 00:48:39.750
<v Speaker 5>Right.

00:48:39.989 --> 00:48:44.789
<v Speaker 5>But you mail, you, you, you send the token, the card out and they mail you back.

00:48:45.329 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 5>Um, just some eggs and the eggs hatch into caterpillars.

00:48:48.601 --> 00:48:49.980
<v Speaker 5>And they give you like the little food.

00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:54.690
<v Speaker 5>But for some crazy reason, we did this in like November.

00:48:55.949 --> 00:48:59.610
<v Speaker 5>Um, so, you know, they ate got really cold.

00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:01.380
<v Speaker 3>This is going to get real depressing.

00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:02.550
<v Speaker 5>No, no, not really.

00:49:02.550 --> 00:49:06.869
<v Speaker 5>It was clearly too cold to release the caterpillars into the wild.

00:49:06.871 --> 00:49:09.929
<v Speaker 5>And then subsequent butterfly, sorry, obviously you keep them indoors.

00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 5>Then they turn into butterflies.

00:49:11.641 --> 00:49:20.099
<v Speaker 5>And obviously you're not releasing butterflies in the middle of winter because that's really mean my mother took it upon herself to like go to the store every single day and get flowers.

00:49:20.969 --> 00:49:23.489
<v Speaker 5>Uh, and then she would soak the flowers and sugar water.

00:49:23.730 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 5>And these butterflies stayed alive for months.

00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:27.550
<v Speaker 5>Wow.

00:49:27.550 --> 00:49:28.469
<v Speaker 3>Whoa.

00:49:28.590 --> 00:49:30.510
<v Speaker 3>A butterfly was monarchs.

00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:31.739
<v Speaker 5>Whoa.

00:49:33.630 --> 00:49:40.289
<v Speaker 5>I want to say it was like six months or something that we had these butterflies, which is crazy.

00:49:40.349 --> 00:49:41.789
<v Speaker 3>That's a commitment to

00:49:41.789 --> 00:49:42.389
<v Speaker 5>You.

00:49:42.449 --> 00:49:43.050
<v Speaker 5>It was.

00:49:43.260 --> 00:50:07.590
<v Speaker 5>And like, it got to be the point where like, I think they were beyond their natural lifespan and she would, well, as a, as a family effort, we would take turns, feeding the butterflies, where we had like the little sugar water, flower apparatus, and S you know, sometimes they be getting really old and you have to like coax them onto the sugar water and uncurl their little nose that I don't know the name for.

00:50:08.489 --> 00:50:09.090
<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:11.190
<v Speaker 5>And they would drink and they'd perk up again.

00:50:11.670 --> 00:50:12.389
<v Speaker 5>Oh my God,

00:50:12.690 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 3>You had decrepit butterfly.

00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:19.260
<v Speaker 3>And they probably wouldn't like, just die because they're like, I haven't fulfilled my biologic function.

00:50:19.889 --> 00:50:20.159
<v Speaker 3>I haven't

00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:20.880
<v Speaker 5>Reproduced.

00:50:21.030 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 5>They're happy butterflies.

00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>So while all of this is incredibly fascinating and I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, but we do have, uh, what we've kind of has been built up all day.

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.170
<v Speaker 2>A very spooky ghost story from Colin.

00:50:34.650 --> 00:50:35.820
<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, it's been built up.

00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:44.849
<v Speaker 3>I can't promise I can deliver, but I've got to, to like warm up ghost stories that I was reminded of as we've, as we've talked about this.

00:50:44.851 --> 00:51:06.090
<v Speaker 3>So one, you know, talking about farms and farm houses, my childhood best friend that I knew from first memory until like around six years old live right next door to me, moved away to a farm community on the Eastern edge of Minnesota and his family moved into a large farmhouse.

00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:15.389
<v Speaker 3>And I would go out there like once a year, usually in the winter to like, hang out, snowmobile, just do some fun farm type stuff.

00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:15.780
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.510
<v Speaker 3>They said, well, you could hear the piano playing at night.

00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:19.289
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry.

00:51:19.409 --> 00:51:20.369
<v Speaker 3>It's just a ghost.

00:51:22.349 --> 00:51:22.619
<v Speaker 2>Don't

00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:23.070
<v Speaker 3>Worry.

00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:24.179
<v Speaker 3>I never heard it.

00:51:24.181 --> 00:51:26.190
<v Speaker 3>But like, I mean, it wasn't a full farmhouse.

00:51:26.190 --> 00:51:29.400
<v Speaker 3>So like, there's all of those, like settling sounds.

00:51:29.460 --> 00:51:33.969
<v Speaker 3>And they had like, I mean, like, if you want a spooky house, there's not really a spookier one.

00:51:33.971 --> 00:51:48.369
<v Speaker 3>Cause like it creaked all the time and they had a grandfather clock that would chime like 12 at midnights when you're going to bed can, when you're going to bed at like eight, nine, it was which it was an amazing clock.

00:51:48.969 --> 00:51:50.710
<v Speaker 3>And I thank God I'd ever heard the piano.

00:51:50.889 --> 00:51:52.389
<v Speaker 3>Cause I, I'm not sure I would've gone back.

00:51:52.420 --> 00:51:54.849
<v Speaker 3>But they, I mean, his mom was like, yeah.

00:51:54.940 --> 00:51:58.059
<v Speaker 3>I mean, she was the one that told me and he, I was like, is your mom serious?

00:51:58.090 --> 00:51:58.780
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh yeah.

00:51:59.019 --> 00:51:59.019
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:01.030
<v Speaker 3>There's a, there's a ghost that plays piano.

00:52:01.389 --> 00:52:03.789
<v Speaker 3>And it was like, they'd hear notes, like single notes.

00:52:04.059 --> 00:52:04.059
<v Speaker 3>Hmm.

00:52:04.179 --> 00:52:06.289
<v Speaker 3>I bet if I asked them, they'd have more stories about that.

00:52:06.340 --> 00:52:07.510
<v Speaker 3>They have a piano.

00:52:07.869 --> 00:52:07.869
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:52:07.929 --> 00:52:08.139
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:52:08.141 --> 00:52:10.179
<v Speaker 3>They did have a piano that no one played.

00:52:10.181 --> 00:52:13.210
<v Speaker 3>It was like an old, like a family heirloom or something like that.

00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:15.639
<v Speaker 4>Kat playing a single note.

00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:23.469
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to start telling people that that's the, see, that's the thing you could just totally use that as a hook for your own house.

00:52:23.860 --> 00:52:24.969
<v Speaker 4>Oh, don't worry.

00:52:25.090 --> 00:52:27.730
<v Speaker 4>If you hear the piano, it's just a ghost.

00:52:27.849 --> 00:52:29.710
<v Speaker 4>And then you walk away like

00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:31.989
<v Speaker 3>A hook for my own house.

00:52:32.349 --> 00:52:34.300
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, you know, just any, any of those

00:52:36.190 --> 00:52:37.690
<v Speaker 2>That's got here, like, oh, don't worry.

00:52:37.690 --> 00:52:40.630
<v Speaker 2>If someone's breathing on your neck tonight, it's just the gut.

00:52:41.110 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 4>Don't worry.

00:52:41.860 --> 00:52:45.489
<v Speaker 4>If the oven beeps on its own at the witching hour.

00:52:45.489 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just the ghost.

00:52:46.750 --> 00:52:46.989
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

00:52:47.050 --> 00:52:48.010
<v Speaker 5>No, I mean, go for it.

00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 5>Don't worry.

00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.130
<v Speaker 5>If the house smells bad, it's it's the go,

00:52:51.789 --> 00:52:52.300
<v Speaker 4>Don't worry.

00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:55.570
<v Speaker 4>If the microwave flashes at you, it's just a loose, neutral,

00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.630
<v Speaker 3>So many inside jokes flipping around here anyway.

00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:02.289
<v Speaker 3>Um, okay.

00:53:02.291 --> 00:53:07.329
<v Speaker 3>So I'm moving closer to home here with my next story, which is my parents.

00:53:07.331 --> 00:53:16.030
<v Speaker 3>I, I mean, I think I told you earlier, like I would watch X-Files with my dad and my sister, but I think my, my parents are kind of go skeptics and supernatural skeptics.

00:53:16.570 --> 00:53:23.530
<v Speaker 3>And our house is a, it's probably like 70 or 80, 70 or 80 years old.

00:53:23.530 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's been added on to, oh yeah.

00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.599
<v Speaker 3>This is like in a Western suburb of Minneapolis.

00:53:28.630 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 3>And um, my parents still live there and the garage, I mean the graduate, I think was poured a little later than the original house, like the foundation.

00:53:37.420 --> 00:53:40.239
<v Speaker 3>And this is set up for this story.

00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:48.550
<v Speaker 3>There's there's like, uh, somebody scratched in the concrete, like Marsha and buttons, 1965 or whatever.

00:53:48.550 --> 00:53:49.630
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the date is.

00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.309
<v Speaker 3>And it's underneath a cabinet that so like you have to pull it away to look at it, but we've seen it before.

00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.780
<v Speaker 3>And we always joked as kids, you go by the washing machine.

00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.809
<v Speaker 3>This is kind of like Bob's cigar story.

00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:03.340
<v Speaker 3>You'd smell cigarettes.

00:54:03.909 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 3>And this is like, before I smoked in high school and I got busted by my, by my mom at one point.

00:54:10.721 --> 00:54:14.019
<v Speaker 3>But like, even before I would have smoked, we would just smell cigarettes.

00:54:14.139 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:18.969
<v Speaker 3>And even now, like, I'll go down there and the washing machine is, it's not mildew.

00:54:18.971 --> 00:54:20.320
<v Speaker 3>It's like a cigarette smell.

00:54:20.619 --> 00:54:20.619
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:54:20.650 --> 00:54:27.340
<v Speaker 3>And my mom sometimes would, she's lost her sense of smell, but previously she would, she would like smell as super strong smell of cigarettes.

00:54:27.969 --> 00:54:28.630
<v Speaker 3>And we'd always joke.

00:54:28.630 --> 00:54:29.420
<v Speaker 3>It was buttons.

00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:30.949
<v Speaker 3>We don't know who buttons is.

00:54:31.070 --> 00:54:31.369
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Uh, sorry, what?

00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:39.769
<v Speaker 3>It was action to the concrete at the, in the garage, we were like, oh, it's, it's the cost of buttons.

00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:40.900
<v Speaker 5>Buttons.

00:54:40.909 --> 00:54:41.809
<v Speaker 5>A smoking clown

00:54:42.590 --> 00:54:43.489
<v Speaker 3>Probably was right.

00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Terrifying.

00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:49.909
<v Speaker 3>And so we joke about it, but like, I think we kind of believe maybe there was a ghost there.

00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:55.789
<v Speaker 3>And then one day I joked about it while I was in the basement with my dad he's I had smelled it.

00:54:56.300 --> 00:54:57.710
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, your mama saw the ghost.

00:54:58.760 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, what?

00:54:59.630 --> 00:55:01.429
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, yeah, she doesn't like to talk about it.

00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.579
<v Speaker 3>And I brought it up and she was like, I didn't see anything.

00:55:06.739 --> 00:55:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Whoa.

00:55:07.940 --> 00:55:09.019
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:55:09.050 --> 00:55:12.769
<v Speaker 3>And then my dad retired and he did like a bunch of remodeling work in the basement.

00:55:12.771 --> 00:55:17.510
<v Speaker 3>He had all this stuff done and he's like, I saw the ghost and I was like, what, what happened?

00:55:17.659 --> 00:55:20.090
<v Speaker 3>And he said, one day I was like, just down there.

00:55:20.090 --> 00:55:26.719
<v Speaker 3>And I like looked up and there was a man right in front of me and I, you like stared at him for a second.

00:55:26.721 --> 00:55:28.820
<v Speaker 3>And I looked away and I looked back and he was gone.

00:55:29.659 --> 00:55:34.880
<v Speaker 3>It sounded like he, he thought he was wearing like, like maybe like early 19 hundreds clothing.

00:55:34.909 --> 00:55:38.059
<v Speaker 3>That was going to be my first question and not like modern.

00:55:40.070 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 3>He had a button up coat, buttoned pants, pockets.

00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 3>[inaudible] the namesake lives on, um, buttons for eyes.

00:55:56.900 --> 00:55:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

00:55:57.349 --> 00:55:58.460
<v Speaker 3>That's Nope.

00:55:59.260 --> 00:55:59.630
<v Speaker 3>That's in belt.

00:55:59.650 --> 00:56:00.710
<v Speaker 3>That's embellishing Bob.

00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:01.789
<v Speaker 3>It didn't happen.

00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:02.690
<v Speaker 3>We have

00:56:02.690 --> 00:56:03.980
<v Speaker 5>To draw the line somewhere, Bob.

00:56:05.389 --> 00:56:22.190
<v Speaker 3>So like, this goes to my, where we've talked about a couple times, which is like I have now my sister, my one sibling and both parents, who've seen ghosts and I, I don't believe I've seen a ghost, but I believe in ghosts because of them because I trust them.

00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:22.670
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:24.829
<v Speaker 3>So it's a good reason.

00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 3>And this is a segue to my final story.

00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:28.340
<v Speaker 3>My sister's go story.

00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:29.510
<v Speaker 3>Well, quick question.

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Did your father and mother ever discuss what they saw and was it

00:56:34.369 --> 00:56:36.230
<v Speaker 3>Congruent with each other?

00:56:36.889 --> 00:56:38.090
<v Speaker 3>I don't, I don't know.

00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:39.530
<v Speaker 3>I haven't investigated that.

00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 3>I think, I don't know if my mom's freaked out or if she doesn't want to be thought of as crazy.

00:56:46.219 --> 00:56:46.699
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.469
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I still live in that house.

00:56:48.500 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 3>They still live in the house.

00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 3>They're getting ready to sell it.

00:56:51.349 --> 00:56:57.380
<v Speaker 3>So if I like want it, if I want to like buy it, maybe I should just spread the stories and then I can just

00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 5>Help or hinder resale value.

00:57:02.539 --> 00:57:05.210
<v Speaker 3>Technically you're supposed to disclose that.

00:57:05.869 --> 00:57:06.230
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.099
<v Speaker 3>Uh, there was like a 1970s, Supreme court case, right?

00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:57:11.179 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 3>No it's legal.

00:57:12.139 --> 00:57:14.989
<v Speaker 3>No, that was on, uh, that we've discussed.

00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 3>That was on the criminal podcast.

00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:16.789
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:57:16.820 --> 00:57:19.099
<v Speaker 3>We didn't discuss that, but I mean, wow.

00:57:19.130 --> 00:57:23.360
<v Speaker 3>That she, there was like a, and it was, it was like, the ruling was like a home seller.

00:57:23.420 --> 00:57:24.199
<v Speaker 3>It was like a home.

00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.710
<v Speaker 3>And I think California, the home seller has to disclose the existence of ghosts.

00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:37.050
<v Speaker 3>And like, that's like a legal definition, but it's apparently it's like the existence of ghost stories or something like that.

00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:37.500
<v Speaker 3>It's going to work.

00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise the

00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 5>Law has to acknowledge the existence of

00:57:41.429 --> 00:57:42.360
<v Speaker 3>With that's.

00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:50.010
<v Speaker 3>I think the joke is that like they did, but they, I guess apparently it's, it's more like a matter of, oh, there's ghost stories about this place or there was a murder.

00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:51.719
<v Speaker 5>Uh, okay.

00:57:51.989 --> 00:57:53.489
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I've I've heard the murder clause.

00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.840
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like things that affect the resale that could potentially affect the resale value of the home.

00:57:57.869 --> 00:57:58.139
<v Speaker 3>Right.

00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:05.820
<v Speaker 3>Cause I think when someone was trying to S someone had just bought the home and that goes to her vehicle, came by and was pointing it out and they're like, why are you here?

00:58:05.849 --> 00:58:06.690
<v Speaker 3>And then they explained it.

00:58:06.690 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 3>And the person sued totally stuck with the post house.

00:58:10.949 --> 00:58:11.579
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Now for the headlining paranormal story of the episode, Colin Flores,

00:58:19.170 --> 00:58:21.119
<v Speaker 3>This is so, so built up.

00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:22.170
<v Speaker 3>Uh,

00:58:22.409 --> 00:58:25.860
<v Speaker 5>I've heard nothing but incredible things about this story.

00:58:26.489 --> 00:58:26.969
<v Speaker 3>All right.

00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:27.900
<v Speaker 3>Fair enough.

00:58:28.289 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 3>I went to school at university of Wisconsin, Madison.

00:58:32.340 --> 00:58:32.340
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

00:58:32.969 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 3>And my sister, uh, went to school there three years after me.

00:58:37.110 --> 00:58:39.119
<v Speaker 3>And I think it was a senior.

00:58:39.929 --> 00:58:43.019
<v Speaker 3>When my sister moved out of the dorms, she could not stand the dorms.

00:58:43.021 --> 00:58:46.650
<v Speaker 3>And so her sophomore year, she moved into, oh, I'm actually, it was her junior year.

00:58:46.650 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 3>She moved into a home.

00:58:48.610 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and it was pretty close to state street, which is kind of the big pedestrian, uh, commuter mall, full of a lot of really cool restaurants and shops and stuff like that.

00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.119
<v Speaker 3>One day she said, Hey, this like weird things been happening.

00:59:01.110 --> 00:59:08.429
<v Speaker 3>And she said, now, like, remember I called her before this episode to kind of get, get this like the straight dope to make sure.

00:59:08.431 --> 00:59:11.369
<v Speaker 3>And as I remember it, it's like pretty much.

00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:12.659
<v Speaker 3>Did you get the straight dope?

00:59:12.690 --> 00:59:13.500
<v Speaker 3>I did.

00:59:13.501 --> 00:59:14.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean from her.

00:59:14.429 --> 00:59:14.940
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

00:59:15.030 --> 00:59:19.739
<v Speaker 3>And, uh, and it's pretty much as I remember her telling it and she's like, oh, actually you remember that did happen.

00:59:19.740 --> 00:59:21.179
<v Speaker 3>That's you remembering a lot more than I did.

00:59:21.449 --> 00:59:26.039
<v Speaker 3>I think this may be hit me more than her, but one night she woke up.

00:59:26.041 --> 00:59:29.010
<v Speaker 3>So she lived in this multiunit dwelling.

00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:34.800
<v Speaker 3>It was an old, they're like a lot of old mansions in like these college towns where they're converted into many units.

00:59:34.889 --> 00:59:36.659
<v Speaker 3>So she had like two units on the first floor.

00:59:36.989 --> 00:59:37.949
<v Speaker 3>Hers was a two bedroom.

00:59:37.951 --> 00:59:39.300
<v Speaker 3>So she lived in that with her friend.

00:59:39.809 --> 00:59:41.579
<v Speaker 3>And then there was like a second floor with a few units.

00:59:41.581 --> 00:59:44.489
<v Speaker 3>And then a like, uh, attic, like a top floor with one unit.

00:59:44.610 --> 00:59:44.969
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

00:59:45.570 --> 00:59:52.199
<v Speaker 3>And she woke up one night to a person standing over her and she was like, Caitlyn, Caitlyn.

00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:55.139
<v Speaker 3>And it turned out it was her, her roommate.

00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:55.829
<v Speaker 3>Oh my God.

00:59:57.570 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 3>And my sister sleeps with earplugs in.

01:00:00.210 --> 01:00:02.969
<v Speaker 3>So she she'd like takes out the airplane.

01:00:02.989 --> 01:00:04.650
<v Speaker 3>She said she was freaked the out.

01:00:05.269 --> 01:00:10.889
<v Speaker 3>Uh, of course, and her roommates standing over her and she can tell she's been crying by her voice.

01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:12.929
<v Speaker 3>And she says, I hear something outside.

01:00:13.139 --> 01:00:14.340
<v Speaker 3>It's freaking me out.

01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:16.829
<v Speaker 3>Can I like sleep with you?

01:00:16.889 --> 01:00:17.610
<v Speaker 3>And she said, okay.

01:00:17.610 --> 01:00:19.139
<v Speaker 3>So they like slept together.

01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:25.750
<v Speaker 3>And almost every night she would like come to her room and crawl into bed.

01:00:26.309 --> 01:00:29.409
<v Speaker 3>And, and she, I think that probably that night, she was like, well, what are you hearing?

01:00:29.411 --> 01:00:33.969
<v Speaker 3>And she was like, I hear someone crying outside behind the house, clearly crying.

01:00:34.389 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it is.

01:00:35.230 --> 01:00:39.099
<v Speaker 3>My sister said, I had heard, I had to listen.

01:00:39.101 --> 01:00:39.699
<v Speaker 3>I didn't hear it.

01:00:39.789 --> 01:00:40.389
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't hear it.

01:00:40.869 --> 01:00:44.829
<v Speaker 3>Well, eventually she did hear the same sound.

01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:47.530
<v Speaker 3>Uh, and she said, it sounded like someone crying.

01:00:47.619 --> 01:00:51.340
<v Speaker 3>And they had a, they had bars on their windows there in the first floor that bars in their door.

01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:57.219
<v Speaker 3>And so one night they go out together and they go outside and they look, and there's no one in the backyard.

01:00:57.789 --> 01:00:58.840
<v Speaker 3>There's a dumpster.

01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.739
<v Speaker 3>They said, well, maybe someone's like camping out behind the dumpster or something's going on.

01:01:02.740 --> 01:01:03.159
<v Speaker 3>They go back.

01:01:03.460 --> 01:01:04.059
<v Speaker 3>There's no one there.

01:01:05.349 --> 01:01:06.460
<v Speaker 3>So brave of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:07.929
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

01:01:08.619 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 3>And they had it, they had a cat who was an indoor outdoor cat.

01:01:10.721 --> 01:01:15.820
<v Speaker 3>So they would like, you know, make sure the cab was in and there wasn't a, you know, a fight with some animal or something.

01:01:16.179 --> 01:01:19.809
<v Speaker 3>One night her roommate is like staying in her bed again.

01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Cause she's freaked out.

01:01:21.099 --> 01:01:27.099
<v Speaker 3>They had heard the sounds and now they hear crying through the wall.

01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:29.980
<v Speaker 3>The way it worked was my sister's room was in the corner.

01:01:30.190 --> 01:01:35.829
<v Speaker 3>Her roommate's room was like through the, through the wall and then there's another wall and they hear crying through that wall.

01:01:35.831 --> 01:01:37.329
<v Speaker 3>And that goes to the next apartment unit.

01:01:38.110 --> 01:01:41.320
<v Speaker 3>And so her roommate comes over and says, I hear you're crying through the wall.

01:01:41.380 --> 01:01:44.110
<v Speaker 3>They go over and sure enough was crying on their side.

01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:48.550
<v Speaker 3>So they go out to the public hallway, they knock on the door.

01:01:49.539 --> 01:01:52.599
<v Speaker 3>So there's like a hallway that is in a public hallway.

01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:59.110
<v Speaker 3>It's like for all the access for all the units charm, they go across this hallway, they knock on the door and this is the unit for the shared wall.

01:01:59.710 --> 01:02:01.269
<v Speaker 3>And there's like a beat.

01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:07.239
<v Speaker 3>And then the door opens and it's a woman and she's crying and mystery saw.

01:02:08.409 --> 01:02:10.269
<v Speaker 3>And uh, they say is everything okay?

01:02:10.271 --> 01:02:15.579
<v Speaker 3>And she says, I hear crying in the back out, God behind my apartment.

01:02:16.150 --> 01:02:18.250
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, we do too.

01:02:18.429 --> 01:02:19.869
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, I thought I was crazy.

01:02:20.769 --> 01:02:23.050
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, yeah, no, you're definitely hearing it.

01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.090
<v Speaker 3>So couple months go by.

01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 3>This happens quite frequently.

01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:28.570
<v Speaker 3>Eventually it stops.

01:02:28.809 --> 01:02:32.829
<v Speaker 3>My sister has told most people that she knows this story.

01:02:33.250 --> 01:02:34.480
<v Speaker 3>She moves out at the end of the year.

01:02:34.780 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 3>She wasn't like overly bothered by it.

01:02:37.659 --> 01:02:39.369
<v Speaker 3>She just, she thought it was kind of interesting.

01:02:39.371 --> 01:02:43.989
<v Speaker 3>She said she was more bothered and freaked out by her roommate who would wake her up in the middle of the night was she had her earplugs in.

01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:44.619
<v Speaker 3>Sure.

01:02:44.980 --> 01:02:46.630
<v Speaker 3>And that was it from her standpoint.

01:02:47.380 --> 01:02:56.380
<v Speaker 3>So one of her friends who does not live in Madison, who a year later sends her an article from the Wisconsin alumni magazine in the 1990s.

01:02:57.219 --> 01:03:03.010
<v Speaker 3>And it talks about crime crime, like crime is cyclical rights.

01:03:03.010 --> 01:03:04.750
<v Speaker 3>Like there's times where it goes up and down.

01:03:05.170 --> 01:03:07.659
<v Speaker 3>And it talks about this crime wave that happened in the nineties.

01:03:08.889 --> 01:03:10.300
<v Speaker 3>Uh, actually it was, I think it was even earlier.

01:03:10.300 --> 01:03:15.309
<v Speaker 3>I think it was like eighties and her house was mentioned in this article.

01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like one of like four stories.

01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.150
<v Speaker 3>And it turned out on the top floor of her place.

01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:29.570
<v Speaker 3>There was like rape and murder and the perpetrator, uh, stepped out of the fire.

01:03:29.570 --> 01:03:36.530
<v Speaker 3>Escape, went out the back way back way and then like fled and was eventually caught and incarcerated, convicted and incarcerated.

01:03:36.530 --> 01:03:39.170
<v Speaker 3>And I believe died in prison.

01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:42.679
<v Speaker 3>And this is just like out of the blue.

01:03:43.309 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 3>My sister's friend brings this up.

01:03:45.469 --> 01:03:48.019
<v Speaker 3>So then I become like even more engrossed in this.

01:03:48.170 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:53.059
<v Speaker 3>And I go on madison.com, which at the time had a forum.

01:03:53.150 --> 01:03:54.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it still exists.

01:03:54.380 --> 01:03:56.960
<v Speaker 3>I did one time, like go back to see if I could find my post.

01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:03.590
<v Speaker 3>And I just, it was like ghost stories and Madison and I, I put the address and I'm like, does anybody know anything about this house?

01:04:03.590 --> 01:04:06.769
<v Speaker 3>Or like have any stories than, um, one woman replied to me.

01:04:06.771 --> 01:04:19.550
<v Speaker 3>So this is, I take this with a grain of salt, but you know, someone who is supposedly lived in the place and she lived in the unit on the top and she's like, uh, two really weird things happened to me while I was there that like made me want to move out.

01:04:20.090 --> 01:04:27.440
<v Speaker 3>And so she only stayed for a year, but she said she was studying at a desk that was five feet from the door of her unit.

01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:29.900
<v Speaker 3>And this is like an A-frame like studio apartment.

01:04:30.650 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 3>And she was just studying and heard a knock.

01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:39.380
<v Speaker 3>And this is like on her public access doorway, which walks to the door.

01:04:39.889 --> 01:04:46.519
<v Speaker 3>I think she looks like it looks through the, the, uh, spyhole Nikki hole and like, no one's there opens it up.

01:04:46.550 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 3>No one's there no one, she didn't hear anybody to walk away.

01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:50.030
<v Speaker 3>She's like stairs were creaky.

01:04:50.329 --> 01:04:53.480
<v Speaker 3>I would have heard somebody she's like, that was strange.

01:04:54.380 --> 01:05:11.150
<v Speaker 3>So then she laying in bed studying another nights and maybe months later and she's on her back and she's reading something and all of a sudden she feels someone over her and her risks getting a pen pins to the bed and her legs flip into the bed.

01:05:11.750 --> 01:05:14.900
<v Speaker 3>And for a brief period, she struggles and she shouts and it goes away

01:05:16.340 --> 01:05:18.380
<v Speaker 2>And that's very upsetting.

01:05:18.739 --> 01:05:19.429
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

01:05:19.670 --> 01:05:23.480
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, what makes sense to me is that that was probably the victim.

01:05:23.869 --> 01:05:24.139
<v Speaker 3>Right?

01:05:24.469 --> 01:05:25.250
<v Speaker 3>That's all I got.

01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 2>That's a doozy

01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:33.079
<v Speaker 3>That's I bust that up for campfires, but that's

01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:33.739
<v Speaker 5>Too much.

01:05:34.190 --> 01:05:34.489
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:05:34.490 --> 01:05:37.340
<v Speaker 2>That's, that's one that'll stick with you for sure.

01:05:37.940 --> 01:05:38.389
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:05:38.539 --> 01:05:38.900
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:05:38.929 --> 01:05:40.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm kind of glad I didn't experience

01:05:41.539 --> 01:05:46.130
<v Speaker 5>To me is the neighbor experiencing the same exact thing?

01:05:46.280 --> 01:06:03.380
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing that gets me, I think is the fact that, you know, usually when I dunno when there's a haunting or something or something like this is happening, your reaction, even if you hear a neighbor crying, like, I don't know that your reaction is to be brought to tears in two women in this story were brought to tears by the tears that they heard.

01:06:03.710 --> 01:06:10.670
<v Speaker 2>And there's something about that almost like, even though this was paranormal or whatever, they had the, the connection to it.

01:06:10.670 --> 01:06:31.650
<v Speaker 2>And like the ability to understand that this was like some devastate, like they weren't like they were freaked out, but their reaction per your sister's friend and the neighbor was to cry some sort of deeper connection or understanding almost if I heard crying for that long, I don't know that I would be crying unless it was something really sad or devastating about how that sounded.

01:06:31.780 --> 01:06:38.820
<v Speaker 2>If, if someone sounded like they were in that much distress and of course you react to it, but it's like something really guttural and raw was happening with that.

01:06:39.510 --> 01:06:39.900
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:06:39.900 --> 01:06:42.420
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like, it's like empathy.

01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:43.170
<v Speaker 3>Right.

01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:48.210
<v Speaker 3>And I think like, I think being in a college town, you hear a lot of like drunk crying,

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:48.750
<v Speaker 2>Right?

01:06:48.780 --> 01:06:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:06:49.081 --> 01:06:49.829
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I'm saying.

01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:51.510
<v Speaker 2>Like it wasn't drunk, crying outside.

01:06:51.510 --> 01:06:54.210
<v Speaker 2>Like it was obviously there was something a lot heavier about it.

01:06:54.900 --> 01:06:54.900
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:06:55.889 --> 01:06:56.309
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:06:56.460 --> 01:07:01.139
<v Speaker 3>My sister does an F around and I don't know if she will, honestly, I don't know if she believes in ghosts.

01:07:01.141 --> 01:07:05.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I, I was more moved by the story, I think, than like she who experienced it.

01:07:05.641 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 3>But that to me is enough to say, Hey, like I I'll like give this some, some thought I'm like more willing to believe in ghosts than not based on her story and my parents and yeah,

01:07:16.829 --> 01:07:17.550
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

01:07:18.030 --> 01:07:18.030
<v Speaker 2>Um,

01:07:18.210 --> 01:07:18.449
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

01:07:18.539 --> 01:07:20.429
<v Speaker 5>Everyone around you is seeing the paranormal.

01:07:21.030 --> 01:07:21.329
<v Speaker 5>Right.

01:07:21.630 --> 01:07:22.320
<v Speaker 2>You're next?

01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:23.309
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:26.699
<v Speaker 3>We'll have, you know, that was quick.

01:07:27.420 --> 01:07:29.219
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was, yeah.

01:07:30.150 --> 01:07:37.139
<v Speaker 5>I would love to have some kind of experience that like really sways me nothing so far.

01:07:37.650 --> 01:07:44.579
<v Speaker 3>I'm torn on that because I would like proof, but I honestly, I don't know, like I would wish it on myself because I, I, it could be traumatic.

01:07:45.150 --> 01:07:45.840
<v Speaker 5>It could.

01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.050
<v Speaker 5>I mean, th th I mean, that's, that's a risk that you take.

01:07:49.260 --> 01:07:49.619
<v Speaker 5>Right.

01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:59.730
<v Speaker 5>I also feel that paranormal experiences usually happen after a certain level of belief is established.

01:08:00.659 --> 01:08:14.639
<v Speaker 5>You know, you kind of are almost looking for it, you know, like, that's one of the reasons why your story kind of got to me because this is people that don't give a about ghosts and all of a sudden it's like, what's going on.

01:08:15.059 --> 01:08:15.510
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:08:16.109 --> 01:08:16.350
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:08:16.350 --> 01:08:23.100
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I like, I mean, it's talking about my sister liking the X-Files, like, I want to believe.

01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:26.399
<v Speaker 3>Um, but, uh, I don't know if I do.

01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.979
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if she she's convinced even after that.

01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:30.029
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:40.229
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you both so much for not only being here, but for sharing those experiences, they were all ones that I will think about many times in the future.

01:08:40.350 --> 01:08:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for letting us be here.

01:08:41.909 --> 01:08:42.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:08:42.510 --> 01:08:45.060
<v Speaker 2>It's always so fun and it's great to be in person.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild to be in person with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

01:08:49.170 --> 01:08:50.279
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for hosting us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been really great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Out here, of course.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah,