#381 - Jake Owen Returns to talk Sobriety, Acting and Health Updates + The Origin Story of His Stage Name + Why Lending His Tour Bus to Get Cancer Patient to Minnesota Is The Highlight of His Career

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Speaker 1: Like, you know, I told you have a twin brother. You guys, most people know that we were wombmates. I love that term wommates, and don't I don't know the room, Yeah, looked around to see, but every one of you guys were laughing, but without like acknowledging that that was funny. Episode three eight one with Jake Owen. I believe this is Jake's Over our many years of doing this third appearance, they're always great, and it's I tell you, it's harder to interview somebody you're really close to than somebody you don't know. It's way harder. I can remember once doing a long interview with sugar Land and it was before they had said they were going to get back together Fit and I just knew all this and it's like, well, I know stuff, so I don't really know how to It's just difficult because like, I know the good points, the weird points. Thinking about Jakes and he told me this before and it was like, bro, go wherever you want to go. I don't care, let's just go. And Jake's always super vulnerable and very transparent, and that's why I like them. I Mean, there are times we've declared our love for each other. Times we fought with each other on this that that other one. I wish they'd stopped playing as a promo clip on the But Jake's on and this was really good. I expected no less. Jake's always pound for pound the best interview that we have on the radio show too, And so we talked about. What I found to be super interesting was his name. I knew his name was Josh, his legal name, but I didn't know how he and why he picked Jake. I just thought Jake sounds country, so that's what he picked. I didn't know why. I didn't know why I didn't go with Josh. Josh Down's country. I have friends from the country, my cousin's name Josh. But it all makes sense once he tells the story. What do you agree? But first time I've ever heard of that detailed and I hang out with them. But also I do have the luxury of asking him questions I would never ask when we hang out. It's different very I I have like a free pass to go to places professionally with him that I probably wouldn't ask if we're just having dinner, because we have real life stuff to talk about. It would be weird to come up just naturally yeah and be like, hey, tell me about when you're preparing for a tour and like that rehearsal part of it, Like what I mean I could? I guess I just don't. It's just weird. But Jake is a really good friend of mine at this point in my life, Like we hang out, our wives are really good friends. And I was really proud of this, and I think people will like it, don't you. And I think it's way different than the other two we've done. Got a new song called up There Down Here. Here's a little clip of that one. He's touring on his forty six headlining up There Down Here tour. Travis Denning and Mackenzie Carpenter are going to be with him. Go to Jaco and dot net to get tickets to that. That's all like, let's just go and get to it. This is Jake Owen and we're getting closer to four hundreds, which is crazy. They've done wait on a lot of these shows. We got a library here. We really have information. Here's Jaco on the Bobycast. What's up, dude, what are you wearing? What is that? What do you mean, I don't know if I can jumpsuit or something. I have one of those. Kaylen won't let me wear it. You won't know because I have a I have a red one. It's awesome. Actually, Okay, So this is UM. There's a charity brand which does a lot of cool flannels and things like that. They partnered with this guy, Raylan Baxter, who also lives in Kingston Springs where where we live, who makes great music and this kind of some of the money kicks back to his camp that he does for music for kids and whatnot. And so I bought it offline. Yeah, I've been wearing it a lot lately and I feel like it's a full grown pajama set, the full body suit. And I have one that I tried to wear it once and she told me I couldn't wear it. I'd recommend it. I just was grabbing some fuh, well, I'm glad you did you wore it, because now I could be like, look, Jake Worett, I should wear my Well I was. I just saw Tyler Hubbard at at the Fun Place and his first comment was, Dude, that is an awesome jumpsuit. Is that a jumpsuit? I was like, yeah, I think I'm encouraging the jumpsuit, so that's good. Hey, I didn't know you were doing a whole fifty basically fifty date tour next year, are you am? I I'm just kidding, I am. Yeah. I didn't think you were doing a bunch of shows, like a whole bunch of shows next year. I'm doing enough. You know. Forty six is a lot. Yeah, I mean not really, not really considered compared to what I've done in previous years. I'm not used to only doing that amount of shows, but uh, it is a lot of shows. It's a lot to be on the road, especially as my little girls are growing. But forty six doesn't mean that's every show. I'm just saying, as one tour fort I didn't know you were doing a forty six date Like, I guess that's why you're rehearsing. Are you rehearsing? Now? What do you do? Do you rent out of space? Uh? We do from time to time. I've done everything from having rehearsals at my barn at my property to do the thing that every other artist does and get a rehearsal spot. Um. And then also we're we get our audio gear from UM Sound Image. We we rehearse there, so we got a few different ones. When you rehearse, you're not really practicing how to play songs or are you in that or are you practicing where you're gonna run and if flames shoot up? Like no, no, no, no, I think I don't know. I don't I don't have a practice or plan that stuff. That's probably why I'm decent at it is at entertainment value because I don't. I don't put a lot of emphasis on what it's going to be. I'm excited for what it can be. UM, But that's not the rehearsal, like I'm gonna run over here in the middle of this song. Yeah, no, no, no no, not at all. But we do rehearse the so called schematics of what the songs shall be and should be and what this show should feel like. So you can have a game plan so called, and then have audibles. So we just kind of worked work on what fits best for the game plan and then how we can throw audibles based upon how that game plan goes. Do you have one of those mics that you can only talk to your band. We have a couple of them, and do you ever worry that one's actually going over there? I have definitely thought about that before on some things that I've said. Has it ever gone out there? No? No, no, never no. But even things I've said unclosed mics, I look back upon and think I should not have probably said that I'm a human because anything can be recorded. Do you record every show? We do? We do? We try to. Which is another thing that I'm working on right now too, is take can all those live recordings that we've done for quite some time and putting them together. It's like a live album because one of my favorite things to do is play live music, and I feel like it represents me well when people see me do my thing. I want to hear that what you're saying that that microphone, though you have to leave that in there. That would be funny actually, Like when you're getting on somebody for a day, would you get onto somebody on that mic? Specifically? Uh? No, not no. Never. I'm one of these like I might joke with someone every now and then if they if they miss a note or something that I hear. But I mess up all the time, so and nobody gets on there and says, hey, you messed up. You pay, you paid. You're the one that checks. Yeah, but even if you write the check to people, you can't tell them what they're doing wrong all the time. Like you just gotta be like, hey, man, I heard you miss that note. You know, hopefully we don't do that again, you know. But I'm not like, hey, you missed it, you owe me my money back. Can you hear if somebody misses a note totally the same way somebody can hear if I'm miss a note, you know. I mean, it's just especially when you play every day together. But most of the time it's not that they're just missing because they don't know it. It's miss to the note because you're distracted or something's going on. UM. I do that a lot. Sometimes I'll see people singing the lyrics of my songs and I'll think, Wow, they're singing every lyric to that song. And that's what I'm thinking, is Wow, this person knows all the lyrics of the song. But what I'm not thinking is what the next line is in the actual song I'm singing. So if you take your mind off autopilot sometimes and concentrate on other things, there's there's room for error. Do you know every word to all the songs or do you have to relearn them if you take some time off. I'm pretty good with learning. I know every word pretty much to every song, not just yours, most of them, except there's lots of times like this morning, where I just don't know where like my wallet is, you know, so you're using that. I'm just like, how can I know every word to you know, Chumbawamba, you know, which is very random pull, but not know where my wallet is that I had last night? I put an air tag in mine so I can find it, which is annoying because any other person that you're around and gets alerted that's someone near you has an air attack. I saw popping up on your phone the other day, Yeah, and you kept going, why is it popping up on my phone? But I didn't say it. I was just like somebody's but I saw you going, what the you know what I mean? Like air tags are cool for that person that doesn't want to lose their stuff, for everybody else that can keep track of their stuff, but you can't keep tracking. You said you couldn't keep tracking. I'm not I'm no, but I'm out of respect. Like that day. I knew where my stuff was, but you didn't, or you or you did, You just needed the affirmation of where it was. First of all, the AirTag's battery was running low, and that's why I was popping up. Well yeah that can be a problem, yes, but now it's fully charged. But I kept seeing a pop up on your phone and you didn't say anything, but I did see the annoyance. Well, I had a bad experience on my tour bus on time of someone that had an air tag that didn't know they had an air attack. That makes sense, So therefore I kept saying, someone on here has an air attag because it's not me. I keep getting alert that you have an air attack, and everyone like I don't have an air attack. This one on for like two weeks, and I would get these ups like someone's tracking us to then someone's for sure trying to figure out where we are. And then one day my buddy is like, god, man, I have an air attack. And it's been it's been, it's been in his like dot kit for two weeks. So Caitlin and I went to the Caribbean whatever Turks and Kate wherever that is Turks and Caicos maybe the Caribbean, and so we went over. We had suitcases and they were like, well, mail him back. You know, we have to take them through customs. It's part of our service. I'm like, we're like great. So we put air tags in suitcases and then they lost our bags and we didn't say him for I don't think two months maybe, but we knew by the air tags they were somewhere in the airport in Miami. So the air tags don't die, no, not for almost a year. And in the batteries. So the batteries on your ones on the on the airplane the other day they were going off or whatnot, they just happened to be about a year or a year old. That's exactly well that one. And so since that one was a lot, we went and change the ones on our dogs too. But I could use air tags on my dogs for sure. Do you want to talk about that? Sure? Because it wrecked my couple of days. It wasn't my dog. Well yeah, I wasn't even Oh that's what I thought. You meant. You just want to talk about air tag on dogs, and you want to I want to talk about my dogs on dogs have saved el Or, our dog who runs away. We tracker were I was working in another country at Costa Rica, and Elor escaped and I was calling who was staying at our house, like yeah, she's three blocks down, and she was like tracking her as I was like telling her where she was. So, yes, get air tags for your dogs. But your dog ours have run off so many times that I don't know why we don't have air attacks on them, you know what I mean. That's something that seems like every time I get mad, I'm so mad. I'm like, you know, it was what day was it last? I don't know. We were chasing them on Christmas morning. I think it was. I think it was Christmas morning and our dogs ran off. And uh, we have, you know, quite a bit of acreage to and um to think that they aren't happy enough on the acreage that they have, and it makes you a little upset to think that they want more an you know, you're not providing the wide open space they'd really love and naturally, yeah, it's weird. But anyways, they run awf a lot and I could use one. And speaking of talking about it, we did, as you know, uh, misplace one of our dogs the other day, who doesn't really move a lot most people out there. I don't think you misplaced. We didn't, but it just in a way. Our dog, Merle, who I've had for almost fourteen years, bulldog found his way down the hill of our property and couldn't find his way back up. Um and he was there overnight by himself. We couldn't find him. We had to call the search team off when it got dark, and then the next morning we found him. So all as well with Morrow. In case you were wondering, I'm not wondering, because I was hitting up Eric. I like, I found the dog. I don't want to have jakeo and bother him. He found the dog. I called you, you were rehearsals went right your voicemail and I had Eric I found the dog. And then finally she woke up to that morning, I said, hey, she goes found the dog. I had exhausted all options. I really did. I mean from the worst case scenario of well, maybe, like I said, we live on property, so maybe coyotes, but there's no way that could happen. There was no sign of it. Nothing, no blood, no, I mean right, there was none of that. There was no uh there was nothing, There was no there was no trail of him. There was no and he couldn't. You could leave him for twenty four hours and his dog would not move and he had moved literally how many feet, almost shoot quarter of them all seriously, and you think he actually made that homework bound or do you think somebody, Well, part of me, there's a part of me that fields because he's at this age as a as a dog where I don't want to let him go yet. I know there's the dog owners and people out there like you can't let him suffer. He's not suffering. He loves his life. He goes out, lays right in the sun. He can move fine some days. Some days his arthritis whatever gets up on him and so he doesn't move well. And um, I just don't. I can't put him down yet, Like he's healthy, but there's no need to put him down. I don't think you have justified of not putting him down when there's but there's a lot of people. I think that a lot of people are idiots. Well, just there are people that are asked me all the time, like, man, why don't why don't you put him down? He doesn't really he doesn't do anything, like he likes not doing anything. You know, he's kind of chilling. But anyways, he didn't move that night. We built him a nice new ramp for his for his his kennel that we have, like nice heaters in their for him everything, and uh, he decided to venture down the hill instead. And part of me does feel guilty getting out. What I was saying is because I was like, well, maybe this was his journey. Like maybe people say dogs venture off to kind of do their thing and maybe pass on, and like maybe I did. Maybe he made it all the way down there, and was like why why? I was just it was like that Craig Morgan song, like I was I was almost home, you know. I don't think that's the case, but that the night, like close to that, you were like, maybe he just wandered off and disappeared. He didn't think he died, you, Yeah, he just disappeared into the space. A fighter man. He's been been there for a lot of things in my life. That's awesome. He's that old though, But I feel like I feel like he he would have told me in a way he would have been able to tell me by before he just wandered off. Maybe he just wanted to go down by the river. Fart snore combo. Yeah, he's we got him back though. Where he's he's good, he's healthy. He was chilling in the sun when we left the house earlier. He was just out there. I was talking to Kitlin because what she said to me that was funny. She said, you know, she goes, she was listening to your music. She goes, I just want to know his music better since we're friends, because she's never not in a bad way, but she's never been like a massive Jaco and music fan. I am not offended. No, no, it's not an offensive thing at all. That's why I'm not offended. But she was like, she was listening to your music because I feel like we're friends, I should know his music at it's a little better. It was really cool of her to do. And so we were playing cards and we turned it on and my favorite song, well one of them down down to the hockey talk. I was like, this is the most underrated Jake song of all time. Um, I don't, I don't, I don't. I agree with you that it's a it feels like a like a good hit song. I've never been like an underrated thing like of like, oh, under heralded. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's haralded for what it is. It works really well live. Like if I look at from a competitive standpoint of this would have been a great addition to a number one thing, heck, yeah that'd be cool. But it did what it did and uh, yeah, it's a big song for sure, Thank you. I like that song a lot, me too. I would think that when you play that, when people know that one as well as some of the other number ones, yeah, if not better. You can look at like Spotify numbers and whatever not that I do that I do all the time. I'm not gonna lie and uh and it will show that you that it didn't. It may not have been a number one song, but it streams and seals as much as any other them. Did you take any sort of music class or lessons at all when you were a kid? Trumpet, guitar lessons, learned to play anything at all with anybody? Even one lesson at all? Yeah, yeah, I definitely took a couple of lessons once I got into like I wanted to play guitar. It took a lesson from this this old guy Paul. How old? How old was he? How old are you? Oh? Was I? I was maybe not eighteen or nineteen, And with the intention of learning just to play guitar, just to play better. I taught myself a little bit. But this guy was a member of the Grand Old Opry and happened to be in my little hometown of your Beach, Florida, which I thought was cool and I kind of I think it was more or less of sitting with him and hearing stories. But I never got really any better than I was when I was nineteen or twenty. Have you taken lessons uh playing golf? I have you played obviously in college? In high school? It was our golf team at your high school? Yep? Were you a good high school golfer? I was? Were you the best high school golfer um like like around you in the area? So you played golf at a collegiate level, and you aren't the best in your high school like your area. There's a lot of kids in my area where I'm from that are just really good at a lot of things, which is why maybe I will I will say I will not just say maybe I will say that one of the reasons I think I've always been challenged to be better at things is because there was always people better than me around me. So no matter what I was doing as a kid, there was someone who's always better pushing us to want to be like that guy or acting. Take lessons for that that. This is all my point, So I was gonna get too. So we just walked there together. It feels like acting is something you'd like to do more of, I would for sure. I enjoyed it, I liked it. It was something that kind of was came. It felt good doing it. So, so here we are. You wanted to be an artist, guitar player took guitar lessons, You wanted to be golfer, he took lessons If you want him now act, So I gotta take lessons. While I'm asking you, I mean, is it Are you passionate enough about it to go like next level and start to train? I would say classically, but at least a little more classically where you gotta learn from somebody that's done it totally. So one of my favorite things to do is learn from people that are that are the best at it or do it. Uh, even for Christmas, I gave my mom masterclass, um, because I love I love that. I love watching all these different masters, whether it be Aaron Franklin and his barbecuing. You did that one? Yeah, I did Steve Martin, but that's funny. He did barbecuing. Did you learn anything totally? That's awesome once? Oh get this one time I was doing Masterclass Magic and Caitlin walked in whenfre I started dating, and she yeah, I was doing. I just started and I stopped. I did like two lessons. She made fun of me. I never did it again. I well, So I love master Class and anyone listening out there, it's like it's great. And it was something that I thought was really a great idea that a friend turned me onto as wealth this Christmas for my mom because she said she's done everything from she's an artist, so I thought she'd enjoy the painting side of it. But there's someone on there that teaches more like urban art, um cooking. My mom loves to cook. She's an incredible cook. Uh, but she can learn from I mean, Jake's mom is doing graffiti. Yeah yeah, go home, and my mom's like all into crypto market. Yeah, but hey, you gotta I feel like if you stop learning on things that that you're then you're there's no more excitement for life. Like I just like learning about things, and sometimes I learned what I'm learning about I'll never be that good at, so I just move on to some to learn about something else. I'll that could be good at. When you did the movie with Casey Flack and they approached you or you heard about an audition, did you have to audition? M M no. I met with the producer director UM at a lunch in l A one day, and we kind of hit it off. And I gotta give her a lot of credit. Gab Gabrielle cop copperwit Copper. With UM, she directed the movie UM Guys, Help Me out Here, I'm on the spot Now. She also directed the movie about the sea world Blackfish UM, and so we talked about that a lot. I loved I love that documentary. UM. She has twins. I'm a twin, so we just kind of hit it off and she gave me amazing I mean, she stuck her neck out for me to go and do what I didn't even even think realize was a bigger major style picture at the time with major actors. UM and give me a part to just walk in and pretend I knew what I was doing, and I don't know I did it. I haven't made a movie since, so maybe I didn't do that good of a job. What was the pressure or maybe there wasn't on you when they're like all right, here we go action and you're with people who are way better than you at that craft, did you feel a pressure not to slow it down? No? No No, No, I've always thrived. Honestly, I've always thrived in moments where I had to do it, like I have no way out, here's your chance to do it. And I've always felt like I've been good in those moments when I have to like really practice practice, practice, practice practice for something that then has to be exactly like what I practiced. I've never been really good at that. Like I'm real good on my feet, I'm good at I'm good at uh just kind of doing it. And um so not to say that I'm just naturally able to do it. I probably should have maybe in a way, but um I was not nervous. Did you wing it in school? Yeah? Like it was. It feels like you're you're a crammer. Total Crammer. I wasn't the guy that came home every day and took thirty minutes to do his homework. So it was by the end of the week. I always was like, Mom was like, hey, have you done your homework? And I'd say yeah, and she's like, no, you did it, And I like, you're right, I didn't. So I would have to go upstairs and do my homework and I would do it, and I get there to the next day and I'd take a test, and I was always like the guy they like made a B. You know, I never got a plus. Is all all through? But uh, but I liked being good at a lot of different things, but I've never been great at one thing. What did your parents think you would be? Eight grade? You know, that's something I've never thought about asking them. But my mom might have told you I might have been. Uh, i'd have no, that's a great question. That's a great question. I would say maybe architect. I like to draw. I love houses. My dad was in the building kind of housing development style business growing up as a kid. My mom is, like I said, an artist, but she's really created of so I liked writing. Um, I could have been a teacher. Maybe I love kids, I like I like teaching others things that makes it fulfills me. Um. But I don't know. I don't know what they would have told you. Did your mom or dad have any advice for you when you said I'm gonna go to Nashville and be an artist because it feels like your mom. No to my mom and dad's credit. Would have your dad more practical, practical, very great word. My dad was on the phone the night I told my mom and dad I wanted to move to Nashville. Um, and he listened to me. He even tells the story now where he says, yeah, I can tell you had it kind of rehearsed, which is what I'm contradicting to what I just told you i'd do. I really didn't have it rehearsed. I just knew, and that's my thing. I guess maybe I was good at it in that moment too. I called him up. I knew I wanted to move to Nashville. This is where I can make it if there was a chance. I was twenty three, two years old. Uh. You can always go back to school, but you can't always take back those younger years of your life. That's what I delivered to my mom and dad on the and I said, so, I want to go to Nashville and I want your blessing. And my dad just said, well, are you're thinking of going? And I said tomorrow, And there was a hesitation in his voice and then he he said, I'll never forget it. He's like, well, it sounds like you got your mind made up. I'm proud of you that you could make this phone call. Uh. I will not support you from a financial standpoint as a father, but I'll support you. Um as a dad should just be in behind you and what you believe in, and I'll be there for you if you need me. Um. And he definitely there was a couple of times where he definitely helped me financially. UM. So, so he didn't hold true to that, but um, but yeah, I did it. And then my mom is the one that actually got my fore Runner with me and drove up here and I did. It was a couple of days later I lived in Nashville. Do you remember after you guys got here and you unpacked whatever you unpacked. I don't you have a trailer, just packed your for Runner? I did. I had a little small U haul trailer. Um, I packed the wrong way uh before coming up here, like whatever, weight wise, because we couldn't go over forty five miles an hour on the way up here because the trailer it would shake back and forth like violently. So word to the wise, if you ever packing a U haul trailer, there's a way to pack it. I believe it's heavy towards the rear, not so much towards the like tailgate. You know, I've never packed literally like I couldn't go. I was going forty five and I couldn't go any faster than that. People would come by hank in their horn. I'm the kitchen, can't you see? My trailer is shaking violently behind me? But all along it was my fault. When she gets here with you and you unpack everything and it's time for her to go, did you have that? So this is where the part came in where my dad helped me out a little bit. So I'd already had it set up, man. I'd made some music in college where I had made some money, um playing you know, fraternity parties and sorority stuff and whatever else anybody would pay me to do downtown get downs um, and I had some money, and I set aside enough to where I could pay for at least like six months of rent um. Even though I signed a year lease. I figured I could figure out the next six months, which is again dancing. You know I have. If you have to do something, you have to do it. So I had six months. Uh. We got to the place, which I thought I got a good deal on, and my mom was like, yeah, no, you're not living here, and I could see her crying when she dropped me off and was just a bad place, Like gross, Yeah it was. It was pretty gross, but I didn't care. And that was what was weird, is that was I don't know who that guy was. Like sometimes I overly care about things now in my life and I over analyzed things and I asked myself like should you be doing this? Should you not be doing this? Like that guy back then I didn't ask himself that at all. He was just like, yeah, okay, cool, Mom. Thanks, When are you like holler at me when you get back to Florida. Um, I'll be good here. That's all I needed, was like a place to stay and live, and like I felt empowered by just being there. UM and my mom was like, yeah, no, and I could see her outside on the phone like tearing up, and she called my dad just like we cannot let him stay here, like there's I don't feel comfortable leaving him here. So to my mom's credit, she helped me, uh flex a little bit, and uh I got an apartment there was like two hundred dollars more a month, because I remember at the time, I could get that apartment for like four eighty five and uh it was five bucks and this other one we found was seven twenty a month and that's a lot of money, man, And um, so it cut my six months rent down that I had to like four months. But my dad helped me a little bit. So he didn't ask for that though I didn't. I didn't. Uh. That's still really cool of him. But it just goes to show you. I mean, you know, no matter who your parents are. And I feel guilty sometimes saying that because there's a lot of kids and people that moved to this town. They don't have any help. They just are moving here on a dream. And I know for a fact that I would not be where I am today, especially if it wasn't for people that helped me along the way. Um, they definitely believed in me, and I put forth the effort. But there was a lot of help that I got in ways that made my life easier than most. When your mom drove off to drive back home to leave you here, where you sad she was leaving like instantly homesick at least for a minute. Or were you excited that you're now in Nashville. It can be both as well, but which one more? Uh? Well, for the first time in my life, I was on my own. So it was pretty awesome in a weird way because I felt like, you know, I told you have a twin brother, you guys, most people know that when you have a twin brother, you're not only doing everything with that person, your entire life from you. We were wombmates, you know, from the time we were with my mom all the way through the time that I left. I love that term wommates and don't have I don't know any around the room. Yeah, he looked around to see but every one of you guys were laughing, but without like acknowledging that that was funny. So anyways, Uh, when you live with a twin brother your whole life, you go to college. Uh. I watched my brother be super successful with a lot of things that he's done in his life, and he was proud of me and would push me. But like the minute that I broke away, and I remember Jared saying like, really, you're gonna move to Nashville like school to finish man, Like, don't you want to graduate? I was like, no, I don't. I'm ready to go. And I think it blew my brother's mind from a brotherly standpoint, first off of like he really is gonna like leave me. We've never been apart, so it kind of hurt his feelings, um, which I was unintentional on my part um, but it also blew his mind in like a proud of new way where he's like, holy cow, like he really is going to do this, which gave me confidence like yeah I am. And so uh when I got there, I really wasn't sad. I felt like empowered that I now it's on me again. Here I am in one of these other moments where I gotta like either dance or or swim or or drowned, you know, And I I swam and I just start remember I remember that second apartment that I ended up getting There was a pool party going on that day when I moved in, and I'm the guy below me that I met. His name was Dave and his wife Cathy. I still talked to Um. They helped me move in, and at the time, you gotta understand, like I'd gone through my whole life known as Josh. That was my birth given name, Josh and Jared um my twin brother. But I didn't want to be Josh. That was another thing that kind of felt empowering in a weird way. People often say they're like, oh, would you move them down town and then label made you change your name? I'm like, nah, man, I was Jake like the day I moved to town, but in an instant, Like, in an instant, I changed it. I remember talking to my mom on the way up, like what am I gonna go by? Like I can't go as Josh, and I'll tell you why. Uh. Josh Turner at the time was on the radio. There was a Josh Grayson. There was another guy on the radio. It was great, uh. And then there was a guy named Josh Owen, which made me solidified even more. I dropped the CD off under Josh Owen at b m I like two weeks before I moved to Nashville. I actually came up here to to to case the place, you know, like can I live here? And then I went back to Tallahassee two weeks later when I called my parents and said I'm moving tomorrow. But while I was here, I dropped the CD off at the time to be am I upfront, Josh Owen whatever. When I got back, I called him on it. They're like, yeah, uh, they said you'd come by the day before and I'm like, definitely not. And they're like, no, we have your album here too, And so I went back by there and the album that they had was another guy named Josh Owen from Texas, who I think was on Nashville Star maybe even so there's already Josh Owen. There was Josh Turner, Josh Grayson. So I considered since my middle names Ryan, there was a moment there I was gonna go by j R. Probably j j R. Oh, and baby just call me JR. Like my mom watched Dallas as a kid. So there was that guy Jr. And j R sounds cowboy count kind of cool, you know, Ryan. So I know, but so this is the funny part. So when I meet David Cathy moving in that day in Bellevue wind Chase, Bellevue, Uh, to my apartment. He's like, hey, man, I'm Dave, and I'm like, I'm Jr. Testing it out due my mom had no idea she overheard me. I could see her like like look at me, like almost laughing. I'm like, in my mind, I'm looking at her like, don't say anything, like I'm JR. Of this guy. He knows no different. So I'm down on the I'm down at the pool or whatever. A few minutes later and I'm meeting some people. He's entrying me too, that are that are I've already lived in this place, and it's kind of the whole like, hey, he's the new guy moved here. He plays music too, And and I said to this one other guy, I'm like, I'm Jake man, what's up? And uh. I remember that's when my buddy Dave was like, wait, I thought you said your name was j R. And I was like, well it is, but I go by Jake. So like the Jake Ryans, the Jared's, I'm just gonna go by Jake. And it was this easier and I started going by Jake that day at the pool party, and so this day that's what everybody's called me. And in a weird way, since I'm forty one now and I was twenty two then, like half of my life I was known as one thing and the other half I've been known as this in a weird way way, more people know me now as Jake than ever knew me as Josh. I still don't mind when I go home and some of my friends would call me Josh totally and they can't help it. But then there's some people to that call me Josh just to like kind of get at me because they know, like if I tell you, if I call you Josh, then you know I know you before and then and they really didn't, but it's their way of that's interesting that you break it down age wise. I mean, I've been Bobby Bones since I was eighteen more than I and more people know me is that than my real name, Herbert Winchester. Yeah, that's a great name, herb Well they set up too many syllables, but I didn't use it on the radio. Yeah, so Herbert Winchester just but the old people know me? Is that Back in London. That sounds like a London name, Herbert Winchester. You talk about leaving college, but you had what you're like, nine hours short though, huh, I think twelve. I think twelve. Any interest in finishing that up? Um? Probably not really, No, I would. I'd like to you, like I said, like, I like to finish things. I don't like to leave things unfinished. Um. English and political Science, which was honestly because English and political science together could have allowed me, if to go to like law school, if I wanted to go to law school, um, which I don't know that. I don't really love law. I just thought at the time, like it sounds good to tell people you are gonna go to law school. Political science isn't that heart of a major. I already like English. That works out. I can get by for the next year or two. When people are like, you know, your elders are like, what are you doing with your life? Like, well, I'm gonna go to law school like cool, then it's like something to talk about. If you're like, I don't know, I don't really figure that out yet, the conversation kind of ends there. So I kind of always wanted to pertain or seems smarter than I was. When you move here, and you obviously have to make money because you have to pay the rent, you gotta eat. How do you make money? What's your very first paying gig here? And how do you get it? Like, what do you do? Caddied? Have the golf club with Tennessee, So you know, I didn't expect that that answer. Okay, so you wouldn't get a real job. I don't know that I'd call cat. Oh, but I shouldn't say I shouldn't say that because I've got a lot of really good friends in my golf club that I'm now a member at, which is weird. You can so you caddied at the place that you're now a member of. Yeah, and the same guy this is the caddy master of me then is still the caddy master now. Um. And if it was weird to go out there and like when people are like hey, mr own you know or whatever, and I was like, I was just I was just a kid with the white jersey on like you guys like fifteen years ago. Uh. And there's a couple other members out there that were caddies to that made it and did something, um, which isn't to take anything away, like I said, Like when I when I said, I don't know if i'd say that Caddy was a real job. I just meant that, like once again being self admitting, like I was, like, I can go put a couple of bags on my shoulder and walk around starting at seven in the morning, uh till new one o'clock, carry two bags, make some cash money, and then have the rest of the afternoon to work on my music and stuff. That's a little bit better job than to go work somewhere, you know from a nine to five or go work, you know, doing a job like I just I had more freedom with my job. Um, and it wasn't like digging ditches either. If it was something that I enjoyed. I love to go off. I knew people around golf, so I found I always what I'm trying to say is I was trying to find the easy way to make some money to where I could still do what I really wanted to do. I would say, if you have to though, that's a real job period like you had. I just feel like I didn't like maybe it wasn't like I didn't ever look at it as like a job that I hated like I actually liked it. It was cool. Like every morning you're walking the dues on the golf course, the guys you're talking to are successful people, obviously if they remembered a club like that, So it's cool to just like learn from those guys and talk what are you here for. I'm trying to play music, maybe I know a guy in the business. It's it's like I looked forward to that, whereas there's some jobs that I think people go to because they have to and they have to and it was and it's something that's maybe not as engaging, so I never My point is I never looked at it as like I was struggling to get by, Like I was lucky enough to have a job that provided me with money and the opportunity to meet cool people and um do what I liked and not feel so stressed out, which is kind of nice. At the golf course I worked at, there was a hierarchy caddie top of people that weren't full time caddy carty eyes, and then me maintenance. So you were like royalty and I was a mere peasant in my golf Yeah, you definite wouldn't been my friend because he didn't cross over those economic you know. So it's cool that we're the same now, huh, yeah, totally. I hated the morning do. I once fell asleep driving into work and welcome somebody yard because to get there before the sun went up at Green's. But you have to do that with your job. Now you have to get up before the sun comes up and go to work. Yeah, it's different then because the money was six bucks an hour. It's eight bucks an hour now. I was about to say so now you just now it's just like gotta get up, I gotta do it. But that too, it was I had a broader plan. I have a broader plan now, right, I do it with motivation of I'm investing into this for bigger than I was. Just like trying to buy school shoes. There's a difference and having to go do whatever. It's my turn to ask questions. Do you ever one? So? I don't know. I wonder like successful people like yourself, I do this so I'm self admitting again, like, no matter what you have or how hard you've worked for it, do you ever fear that like I'll be gone tomorrow? Yeah? Right, yeah, I mean it's like in a weird. My My wife is in the room too. I can let you answer this can hop up to my real quick. I'm gonna put her on because she wants to come in here. She can hop on real quick. She even said that we I don't have to answer the question because I'll just answer it. What do you think to is answer that question? Well, then she's answering the question. But I can say the answer that sounds good, humble pop. I'm just a humble gun. I think at all be gone tomorrow. Humble humble right, like that's what it would sound like if I said it. But but but she's with me every day and she has to have just to like slap me sometimes to be like yo, like look at the real world. First, go ahead, ask the question again. Just uh, I look at my life. This isn't this is a this is a lead up to the question. So I look at my life a lot. Where I am now coming from that apartment I explained and all this stuff and working as a caddie, but I still feel like it could be gone at any minute. So I never forget those days of doing that. And I'm and I know you don't forget those days of working maintenance either. But my question is, isn't it normal, as even when you're to be successful, to still worry that you there's a chance you couldn't be one day, Like like when do you ever feel comfortable? I guess does he feel comfortable every day like this is this is gonna be this way forever? Or do is that what motivates you has to to work hard every day forward? Is that the question? I get what you're saying. Um, definitely, you Bobby live life as if we will be poor tomorrow. I think of the time that's good. It's motivating, and it keeps you trying and constantly thinking about the next step. But I think it's a hindrance the other fifty percent of the time because you're never able to enjoy where you are. Yeah, And I mean I think you're both very similar in that way, right, Yeah, I mean I don't relax a lot, that's what you're saying, Like I'm the I'm the perfect like other end of the relax bro Like either talking that to me so I can. Yeah, I think you both struggle if I may can cut this out with living in the moment, like enjoying what you've worked for and reflecting on all you've done, the successes you have, the money that you've made, because you're so good at what you do, each of you, and you don't just like use those resources or even just use your mind to relax and enjoy whatever is happening at that moment, whether it's a vacation or a dinner or hanging out with your spouses. I it's admirable. She throws in hanging out with your spouse like it's the final one. It's admirable, but it's also a struggle. Like I, I can't imagine having the thought process of what if I lose it all tomorrow. I don't think that way. Um, I don't have trauma in that way, but it must be hard. You. I don't know that I fear it. That was really cool of great Well said. I don't know that. I don't fear like it's gonna be going tomorrow. I just like, like I try to be cautious of it at least, you know, And and and like there's times where I just look around, whether it's even with my little girls or or Erica or my mom and dad. Like I said, I think about them, Like Mike, when you know there's always an ending to something, and no matter how great and grand, life shall team and be like I'm always like man, I wish I didn't think so much about that, So I guess that was my question, Like, am I the all right? Am I the only weird one that thinks that I? I live mostly out of fear? I think most people do, though, right, how many people do you know? They're just like whatever? Really not whatever? But she's like, I trust everything, I'll be fine. I love that about you, Caitlin, I do. That's that's and then maybe that's why that's why that's that's your yang to your your yen, right you you're yere yang, Like you need to have that because if you had two people that were living in fear, then that's not a good relationship because then you're both living in fear. If you've got one that's like, there is to comfort you, Like, now things are gonna be all right. You're like, that's what I needed. Oh, she's kind of back up, here we go. I enjoy this. I do want to say to that I have the luxury of not having to worry about that because you, Bobby have worked so hard and obviously we have everything we could need. So have you been that way since you were a kid though? Right? Like that, Honestly, my I had such great parents, like I've never, thank God, had to worry about the next day, right, So that is very lucky. So I don't think it's necessarily I mean, nature versus nurture. I think that it's definitely a nurture on both of our parts, right, Like, I don't think I was born everything's gonna be okay, and you were born everything's going to burn down tomorrow. But I do think that that's just naturally the role that we have to play in each other's lives so that we're both not miserable every single day. And it's healthy for me to have that. But sometimes it's really hard for me to have that because I don't understand it and she doesn't understand, but we try to. We also understand we don't understand each other sometimes, But she's also so I mean, she understands herself where she's like, this is obviously I don't exactly understand this trauma, but I know it's coming from something and you're and basically saying, I know you're acting crazy right now, But she didn't say that those words shemis connects there, I get it, gotta have it. Yeah, yeah, it's always been a fear thing. Are you fearful at all? Now? Of I don't know the next ten years? You know it's hard and once you're fifty unless you're Kenny, Like, how do you make a career go that long? And are you working towards keep making good music? That's what Kenny has done. I mean, he's fifty now, is he? I believe so I'm forty one, man, I'm not really thinking about that. Uh god, I am are you yesterday? I don't think about that. I don't. I don't think I thought when I I didn't think when I moved to Nashville at two, like where where where am I going to be when I'm thirty five? Like I just wasn't thinking that. I was just like, I want to just go do this because I love it. I think what I think about is what am I going to do when I don't love it? That's what it is. I don't necessarily think about what am I gonna do when I'm fifty? Am I gonna still be saying? Well, I'm never gonna grow up because people are gonna be like you did now. But I think that's okay as long as you as long as you're are doing it, since then you're good. You're going like you're slower than you were never gonna. I can't lie to people. I can't lie to people what And most importantly, I think when people will stop seeing me do what I do, it's because I'm not I'm not loving it anymore. It's not because I'm old, just I'll be like, I just don't love it like I used to, and I'm not gonna do something I don't love. I'd rather be around the people I love and figure out a way to live that life. Yeah, yeah, I do. There's days that I question why, you know, why I do? What's the hardest part about it? Um? I would definitely say the hardest part about what we do I do Other artists, UM would definitely be the the travel that the coming home and um only having a couple of days to not only do what you weren't able to get done while you were gone for two days, but then be the person you need to be for those two days at your home, like for the person peeing people that you love. So that's hard, um, But other than that, there's also a beauty and newness every day, like meeting someone new, seeing someone smiles like this year on tour, like seeing these some of these kids who his parents. Uh think about it, you know, like in a way like when I got my record deal with twenty three. UM, by the time I was thirty one, I had my first child. So my little girl, it's ten. Now you know that I'm forty one. UM. And there's a lot of people out there that have listened to my music that were my age two, that liked my music at my age. They got married or they met each other at my shows, and then they've had kids and now they bring their like eight or ten year old out to our shows and they're like, hey, this is Jake going like this is the guy that was like we met at his show or whatever, And that's kind of weird. But there's a beauty to that, and I enjoy those types of things. So for every little thing that I don't love about it, there's so much that I do that I think, WHOA. Like at the end of the yeah, I think, WHOA, I've really grown up. WHOA I'm kind of starting to slow down. What if I should just do a new version of that. You could blue eyes and silver hair. Were you're sitting knitting on a you know, afghan over there? When you moved to town you got a record twenty three? How how long until you got a record deal? Did you get publishing deal? First? Was everything? Was it all kind of in order like normal? Or did you come to town? It was a little quicker? It was? It was wild. Most people that know my story, I would tell you that it's like kind of fairy tale ish and a lot of like just like buzzworthy things that I just prayed upon in a weird way. I say prayed upon wrong word, Like I I used to as as uh kind of trampolines to the next thing. So I got a I got a interest rather quickly when I moved to town, based off some friends that helped me a lot because of what us written. So I was writing. So I wrote a bunch of songs. Nobody knew who I was. See that's the other thing. There's a lot of the kids can learn coming to this town. Like there's like nowadays we live in a society where everything has to be blasted, you know what I mean, Like look at me on TikTok, I have this many followers, like the song is streaming this many things, so and so like do you know this person? Like, oh my god, they're blowing up. What people forget too is there's like a real big beauty and no one knowing anything about you until they need to do. You know what I'm saying. So in a backwards way, I was lucky enough to have someone in my life at the time and still is Jimmy, who was like, hey man, you're not going to be the guy like at the time, you have to most of us to understand too. There wasn't a TikTok or Twitter when I got my record deal, So there wasn't that type of sensation of people already knowing me before they ever met me. Like you kind of got known by your music so or by your reputation in town. Like people you come to Nashville, you go hang out of the bars, you meet people, You write songs, people have opinions of you, and if it's good, maybe you can get some good momentum in town. If it's not good, you're gonna struggle before anybody ever even hears your songs. Right, So Jimmy would say Jimmy Ritchie is my buddy who produced my first two albums and helped me with my music, and we wrote everything on the first two records. But he was like, hey, man, I'd rather you come into my house every day and night and let's just write songs and build a catalog of awesome things with other awesome writers and get a good thing going, and you build positive things, then go be a twenty three year old kid down on Broadway or wherever, just like you know, doing stupid stuff. And so thankfully to him, because I probably would have done exactly that. Um, I was smarter about it, and I just wrote a bunch of songs. I had some momentum. I wrote a song that Kenny Chesney was going to record, yeah, and uh then I put it on my my album, that first album. But because of that and getting ahold by Kenny Chesney and people wondering who I was, I got a lot of momentum, got a record deal. I got a publishing deal that was just like stupid money at the time for what. I didn't even have a record deal yet, and so they gave me some crazy stupid money um for me, at least at the time for me going like, yeah, right, like my life is gonna change like overnight. Um, and so it did it freaking change. And then I went out immediately with Kenny Chesney and then Brooks and Done and Alan Jackson and it was off to the races, man. And I'm not so sure at the time that I was ready for all that, even though mentally I told myself I was, but like, just like from a physical standpoint and actual ability to do it, like, I don't know that I was ready, but I like, again back to what I said earlier, put me in a situation where I have to either swim or drown, and I'm gonna I wanna swim until you drown, until I drowned. Shot drown is over right, So there's death and dance or swim or drowned. That was a weird The swimmer drown thing is a good you know. And you know, I don't know. That's why I went to see what would be the dancing because I'd like to use it sometime. You know, I get shot in the leg, I don't know, dance or don't dance. Yeah, I just go and swim. Well, I figured, you know, since you're a dancer, no opposite of that, I should have not danced, right, would you ever do that show? Not now, not now? Before even before you ever did it, I was like no way. I'd have people ask me like, hey, you want to do this. I'm like, no, I'm good. You know I could not do that, So I'm proud that you could. Well, I'm a swimmer more than a dancer. You made a statement online after after the hospital visit and you said I haven't slept one a long time. That's what i'd come to find out after going to the hospital. That's my only issue. I literally do not sleep. Anything that's happened since then. What was that about? That was about me not sleeping? Man, I just wasn't sleeping. I was losing a lot of weight. Um. I was probably just like getting all I don't know, it's weird because I'm not really been doing anything any different since then. Sometimes you just need people to tell you're okay. Really, is that what they told you? You're okay? Yeah? Everybody's like they were. Yeah, they were like they made me feel better than I did by just telling me things that I don't know that I needed. They were just telling me honest things like I'd convinced myself. I was, you know, diet, like I'm gonna die out here on the road. Like I'm out here, you know, doing this all the time and I'm missing little things back home, and um my family has been affected by it, and I don't want this to be the way that life's supposed to be, Like this is what I love? Like why is it the thing I love? Um, it's like that song by Alan Jackson, you know, everything I love, I want to have to give it up because everything I love is killing me. Uh That's how I felt like. I felt like I was living in Alan Jackson song. So whenever you find out that something isn't really wrong with you, does that change your perspective? Do you? Did you live a different way? Like was there? Was it lighter? Yeah? I think so. I don't know. I think Erica would tell you that. I just I think, if anything, when I found what I found out was is um kind of what Caitlin was saying earlier, like just kind of like relax a little bit and everything's gonna be okay. Like don't you can convince yourself such a negative things when that's all you stress on and harp on. But when you're like, Hey, nothing I worry about over the next fifteen or twenty minutes, which two personally, sometimes to all of us, can seem like a lifetime. Whatever those next you could spend those next fifteen or twenty minutes just doing something different, being finding something else to be happy about. Do you feel like you're a happier person now than five years ago than five years ago? I hope so three years ago? Yeah, I mean, I hope I'm happier today than I was yesterday. Do you feel like you are purposefully happy? I feel like I'm still figuring everything out, man, I don't. I feel like I'm still like I'm forty one, but I still feel like that twenty two three year old kid that drove here, Like I know I can do this, I'm excited to do it, Like canna you still that guy? Like feel more positive I still am to me than in past years? Yeah, I mean, because well, thankful thanks. I don't. I don't. I'm not. I don't intentionally wake up every day and go like I'm gonna be way more positive today, uh, which I probably should try to preach that. Um. I think people listen to my music and the type of music I put out would think that, like, man, this guy's barefoot and in the sunshine all the time, and he's just like he's a dude, like and I am, but I have just like everyone else, you know, they've got things that I'm just trying to be better at, trying to try to learn something each day. So we talked about the master class stuff like I try to. I looked at Erica this morning and was like, hey, we like, like we have a lot of friends right now going through like a lot of crazy stuff and um, and that's what even Tyler Hubbard not drop his name again said to me at lunch and he's like, how's everything with you? Man? Everything good? And I'm like, yeah, it's awesome, Like life is great, man. And I say that because just this morning I told Erica was like so many friends going through so much stuff right now that like we're not and life is good. And that's when you really have to like when life is good is when you really need to be thankful for it. Then when life isn't and you're it's like when you're sick and you're you were trying to remember what it felt like to feel good. And so I feel really good right now, and I want to remember what this feels like, and I want that to spread throughout my family as well, and hopefully telling other people to man, life is great, it's awesome. That also helps them because nobody wants to hear someone say, hey, man, how's how's everything? And then you sit there and listen to them just you know, nobody wants to hear that more front lobe, front lobe all day. Baby, let's go. That's the that's the thing. Stay in that front lobe, man, the front because the front lobe does wet. Front lobe, from what I've learned, is is where you know your majority of children really live. And until they progressively you know, through experiences and things like that, you tend to live more with the way we're wired as humans in a more back little brain front lobe, being more joyful, creative, spontaneous, care free, all those which are great qualities. Rear being more protective, um anxious, the things that we don't really need eat in our lives. So you can have the choice where you kind of want to live. You do not have Jaco on dot com, but you have Jaco and dot net. Yes, what's the deal. What will they not sell it to or are they asking an insurmount of amount of money I'd rather I don't know. I don't never really thought of it that way. I just knew that when I couldn't get the calm, I was like, I'm cool with NET. You know what I mean, I'm about that NET. It sounds front low to me. Yeah, So I was cool with it. I never really overthought it like that. So you asked me, I don't know that. I've forever you know. Now he goes backlob Now that's a little viral club to the manager, why do I not have Jaco and dot Com? I got a couple more questions for you. Uh. There was a story about you in the Tennessee in because there was a restaurant and Kaylin and I were having lunch. We saw a big line coming out of a place where were you lunch? We're like, one, what's going on over there? And we found out it was a place that was closing after I don't know how many years, and they were closing because they wanted to clothes, they wanted to retire, and they were doing these stories about it leading up to it, and there was a story and you are an interview for the story. It wasn't you putting it out there, the owner of the story. And I'm gonna have you tell it, but don't but don't, oh man, just like literally tell it. I'm begging you to tell the story as is. Uh. The story was about you helping them out years and years ago. It never came out until she told the story. Can you tell me that story? Yeah? Um, and I told you this. That's why I was so so flattered by it really. Uh. And there's a great George Steinbrenner quote that I saw on the wall when I went to Yankee Stadium one time. It says like, uh, you do good things for other people, but if someone else finds out about it, then you did it for the wrong reasons. Um, Like you just you're supposed to do get things for people because it's the thing to do, not for for the people to talk about it. And um, So this particular scenario, when I moved to town, which is a great kind of steguay off of what we all talked about earlier, I would go to Arnold's on Eighth Avenue because it kind of felt like home to me, like my mom always made like home cooking. And I grew up that way down home, down south with mym with my grandma, my granddad. Nanny was a good cook still is uh. Um. And so I'd go in there and have like rare roast beef and mashed potatoes and gravy and whatever. And I got to know the people that owned Arnold's, which has been there since I think the fifties, um, and everybody from Dolly Parton to Charlie uh, you know, John Prine, all kinds of folks going there, um. And I just loved it. It's like meeting three, meaning you go in there and grab your your tray and walk down the line and grab the food that you want to grab. And so I would do that and uh, Jordan's speeths calling me should I answer this? He did this to me on an interview one. What's up? What's up? Telling me with me? I am very random. I am in the middle of an interview right now, and I'm with Bobby Bones actually on doing a radio like a set a podcast. And I said, and my phone was ringing, I was gonna send it to voicemail, and then a lot like the last time you were on an interview, I guess always like Jaco, it's calling your phone, so I said, I had to answer. So are you just excited about our playing possibilities coming up? I'm just really excited that we're finally going to win the prom version. I'm going to we are, Yeah, we are. Yeah, I'm going off. I will I will, I will buzz I'll buzz you back. All right, sounds good to see it. See every buddy, he's right here. See you man. I never heard of him anyway. That's so cool man, Like you ever, like you know what I mean, Like that's cool. Like I know that he's even our partner, but like sometimes I'm like, are we really partners? We've buddies? You know. That's cool to get a call. It's awesome, dude. I mean I played with him because you were like, hey, you should play with them, and you call it Jordan, You're like, hey, awesome, dude. He's a great So you're at this restaurant. At this restaurant, Uh, and I meet you know, Rose Arnold, who's who runs it, and her son's um khalil Man's France. She has two daughters. I got to know them for years, and Uh, one of the times I was in there visiting. Mons was going through Uh had like some type of a brain tumor. I think it was. I had to have surgery like on his on his skull to remove this or do some sort of procedure. And they were really worried. She was worried about how they were going to fly with the pressure. And and I don't know, just I have a tour bus. I wasn't thinking or anything like just take my tour bus. I'm not on the road, take it up there. My drive will pick you guys up tomorrow. Take you there, bring you back whatever you need, like, just say And they did. I don't guess two ten maybe, I guess two probably. Um. And they were always so sweet about it, you know, like I go in there like I always did, and like there'll be times where they would just be like, hey, we wanna take care of your lunch or something like you don't have to do that, like it's not a big deal. Um. They just always treated me like their family. UM. And anyways, it was really flattering to think that as many people they've had come through that restaurant, as many scenarios and the types of folks that have come through there, and all the incredible stories I'm sure they have to share for what that restaurant became to people, like a second home, um, a place of comfort. Like to think that when I saw that article that day, um, like it got to me because there are times where you wonder if like uh, when you do good for people, like if theyre you don't do it, like I said, because but you do it because you hope that they remember the kind of person you are. And uh, it just made my day. I was like, dang, like they could have talked about anything over the last fifty years of this restaurant and she just happened to talk about me doing that for them, um and to me to be able to be remembered for that kind of thing. Forget everyone else knowing because I never wanted, never cared for anyone else to know, but did admit enough to her and their family that they remembered me like that and not like she didn't say like this guy was a singer, you know whatever, Like it was just someone that did something for them and their family. Like that's what I that's that's my coolest story about Nashville so far, like people of what people remember me for, So that was cool. Man, Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Uh drinking you are still sober? Yes? How has that been a change in your life? That's the last question, By the way, It's been awesome. It's been really good. It's been cool too, because I've encouraged a lot of people friends of mine to do the same that I think I've seen me And they're like, dang, man, like, given, I haven't seen you drinking like over a year and a half and uh, and I'm like, yeah, you don't need it. So I feel way better and make better decisions. Um, you can still. I mean I still drink alcoholic like not excuse me alcoholic. I still drink non alcoholic beers, which I enjoy. There's so many companies and now like this athletic beer company that makes uh, non alcoholic like I p A s and things, So I can still get the idea of I never had a drinking problem, but when I did drink, I just wasn't a good person. I don't want to be that guy anymore. So now I'll just drinking some non alcoholic I p A s every now and then or something. Bud Bud why eights and uh called bud Whites is that mates. Well, yeah, so they're the non alcoholic Budweiser's coming a white can. It is called bud Whites. Well I call them bud Whites. That's funny because there's blue ones and red ones and then the all white ones. People would see me drinking them, They're like, what are those? I'm like, they're not alcoholic. The Bud. I was like, get you a bud White baby, Like I actually feel like like Budweiser needs me. Like I'd be like, yo, there's something everybody talks about, like I want to have fun this super Bowl. Grab a Bud Light, you know what I mean. It's like, you want to still have fun super Bowl, Get a Bud White, like you know what I mean? Drive home afterwards, not worry about it. Okay, you guys, get tickets, go to Jake O and dot Net. In the intro, we talked about the single, which is I love the song. Hey, thank you, thank you for playing it. H and that's good, thanks too. Things we need an hour over an hour and to my trainers outside and I gotta go work out, sweet good And I feel like with your blessing, I can now wear my jumpsuit. I love it, like you know, it's one of those things where you could have been like, why are you wearing a jumpsuit? Dude? Exactly. But a lot of people I'm noticing now that I'm wearing it, They're like, I kind of want to wear one too. I got actually got one for Erica. We saw one. It's Target, and I was like, you should wear this, be on that jumpsuit team, and she didn't like the way it fit. It's the red, but if it were another color, I could wear it. I have a many statements, Yeah, if this is striped or orange, I probably wouldn't wear it's orange, you finally picking up litter, Yeah, yeah, or striped, you know, being Yeah, but this is kind of like Carhart color. It's kind of nice. It's comfortable. I recommend it. I'm just jealous. Enjoy your workout all right at Jaco and Official follow him the new singles up there, down here, and go to Jaco and dot Net to get tickets to the show Travis Denning. Our body will be out there, and Travis is really good and active, a lot of energy. Guy can play only left a guitar, I can play in town. He's the only guy that's around that brings his I can go, let me play something. Otherwise nobody's left handed and we get treated like prize. That's right. He's clapping for himself. He's ready to go. All right. Thank you, Thank you, Caitlin, thank you, Mike, thank you Erica, thank you all the troops. Thank you too, boy Scouts. Thank you to Ms Hagger Smith's big impluence in my life. I want to thank Coach Gandalf and that's all. Good night, everybody,