Kevin & Tracey Thompson Meet World

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Speaker 1: I saw you went to some dance and had your pasta party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pasta party got huge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really like the party got big or the pasta got big, which which okay.

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Speaker 4: The amount of pasta had to increase with the It was like Straganona. Do you guys remember that kid's book where they make the what you don't know, Streganona, Danielle, you didn't just read that. Oh it's the one where the pot that makes pasta and it overflows and takes over the whole town. You guys don't remember. Get Stragana for your kids. They're like, they're probably, Yeah, it's it's means like magical grandmother, which okay, of course, of course something like that. Anyway, it's great.

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Speaker 2: It's a great one.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, so we somehow it just you know, some dance was weird this year. It was because it's the it's the second the last year it's going to be at park City. Maybe like they're talking about leaving, and.

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Speaker 3: I saw entirely or leaving just park City's a debate leading park City.

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Speaker 4: It might stay, it might go to Cincinnati, and like, yeah, so anyway, it's it's gonna be still around l next year. But also I think because of the fires, it was a really mellow year. It was like weirdly quiet on Main Street. Usually it's packed on the first weekend. Yeah, and so what normally our Posita party, which was you know, usually pretty big, got like overwhelmingly big. But it was fine. It was still a great time. We still played charades like crazy. And I think actually because it was Amello Wher year, I got to see more movies, Like I got into more screenings, so I saw some amazing films. But actually, I think rather than talk about the films I saw, which like at this point, you know, they're kind of like hit or miss whether they're going to come out or not, I wanted to mention movies that I saw last year that that our listeners can go watch right now that are now great out now. Yeah, because I saw two films that were like really stuck with me that I loved. One of them is the most fun. I was sitting in the movie theater watching this. It was like my last night at Sundance last year watching this movie, and like twenty five minutes in, I was like, I am having so much fun in the movie. This is the most fun I've had in a movie theater in years. I don't care where this movie goes, Like this feeling right now that I have, like you know, breaking into act to is like this movie is perfect. I'm so excited no matter where this goes, and it totally went there.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: I was a little bummed because I found out after watching it in the theater and thinking, oh my god, this is going to be the biggest movie. It's going to sweep the nation. It was bought by Netflix for a lot of money and it did come out and not enough people have seen it. So I would highly recommend you go to Netflix go watch It's What's Inside.

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Speaker 2: It is such a.

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Speaker 4: Fun, thriller, exciting movie.

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Speaker 2: Westy made It's What's Inside.

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Speaker 4: It is so much fun. I really wish this had come out in theaters. I think it would have been a huge theatrical hit. As it was, it just kind of went on Netflix and got lost in the algorithm like a lot of things, which is a total bummer. So I'm highly if you like fun sort of thrillery, exciting miss like knives out ish like who Done It?

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Speaker 2: It's actually a sci fi quality.

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Speaker 4: It's like these people go back, they all come to a house for a wedding. So they're all college friends and one of them has brought a suitcase from his tech company in Silicon Valley and he opens it up and he's like, you guys want to play this party game with this technology that I have. And the technology is a body swapping thing where people can swap bodies for a couple of minutes, they decide to play games for the night where they're swapping bodies. Oh my god, it's so much fun. Okay, okay, all right, so's that's number one. Number two is this very very strange movie that I saw that I love and this is like the perfect combination for me of like super art house sundancy cinema and horror b movie. It's called a violent in a Violent Nature and it's it's the coolest take. And this movie did get released in theaters. It did do pretty well considering, you know, it was made for very little money. It's beautiful. It's this bizarre film. It's as if you're watching like the second in a Friday the thirteenth ish style movie, like a slasher film, but it's like the second or third one in it, but instead of watching that movie, you're hanging out with the killer as he waits in the woods to go murder these kids, and you're just sitting with him in nature as he walks and the camera just follows him for like five minute shots.

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Speaker 2: Through the woods and it's kind of like.

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Speaker 4: And then he goes and does the murders and they are the most over the top B movie, violent, disgusting, horrifying things. But you've been spending all your time with the killer, like way it's for the kids to go to sleep or to split up to go kill them.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's such a bizarre experience.

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Speaker 4: It's basically like if you ever if you've ever seen the movie Jerry or Elephant, these Gus Fan Sant movies that came out in like the early aughts. They were like these these movies where you really sort of just sit with characters or walk with characters and you're like over their shoulder, and even though may the big things are happening, it's like the movie itself is very removed and like calm.

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Speaker 1: It's like that for.

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Speaker 4: A horror film. It's the coolest take. They're making a sequel. I'm so excited. I so if you like interesting, weird, movies that are unlike anything you've ever seen before, and especially if you like horror films, go see In a Violent Nature or go rent it. It's so good and such a bizarre film and like, like I said, the perfect combination of.

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Speaker 2: Sort of high and low brows smashed together.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Jensen said that One in a Violent Nature is like kind of like a silent movie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like weird and beautiful, like nature and weird.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's like a nature documentary but you're watching and I swear to god, it's like because the whole thing takes place outside and you're like sitting with him like while he waits to like it's and yet the kills. Like I saw it on a midnight screen at Sunday. It's it's it's premiere, and the audience couldn't. I mean seeing it with a full theater of like horror fans was the best because it was like everyone's kind.

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Speaker 2: Of like, what is going on?

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Speaker 4: And then they catch all the cliches that it's playing with, but then sort of reinventing. It's so brilliant.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, two great weird obscure movies.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Okay, Gladiator too. I highly recommend it. I want to see it.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: Awful, it's just Sonic really.

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Speaker 1: Hors coming out in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: Go yes, No, the first Gladiator was amazing. The second one is was unwatchably bad. Yeah, it was just bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really bad.

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Speaker 3: Wait, speaking of movies, just very quickly, I started back at Mission Impossible one and every night I'm watching another Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie.

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Speaker 2: And that's been kind of a fun week, if I'm honest.

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Speaker 4: But the second and third are not great, right, It's like the second.

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Speaker 3: One, the John wu one is awful. It's i mean, just bad.

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Speaker 4: Indy went through a Mission Impossible phase last year and we kind of just skipped to the fourth one. We watched the first one and then I was christ just go to the fourth one and that's the brad Bird.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and one's not bad because it's Phillip M.

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Speaker 5: Hoffman.

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Speaker 3: When you get Phillip Hoffman as a bad guy, you're not you know, you can't go wrong with Philip Simo Hofman.

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Speaker 2: So he's great.

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Speaker 3: But the yeah, so it's fine. It's just to be on a Tom Cruise schlock fest. Is much popcorn happening, and it is just like it is the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm rather or Strong, and I'm WILFORDE. Over the seven seasons of making Boy Meets World, as you all know by now, we met a lot of very interesting people. TV has a lot of moving parts, and lucky for us, some incredible crew members helped make our show. And today we get to interview two more of those incredible people. Kevin and Tracy Thompson were stand ins at the beginning of Boy Meets World, during our humble, very young beginnings, and as we've explained in the past, stand ins were used to maximize the crew's time, so when the child stars were off with on set teachers or hit their maximum amount of work hours available, the directors and cameramen could block, figure out eyelines and get scenes ready for when we returned by throwing adults with no restrictions in our place. But we were little kids. How could you properly prepare for how a scene will look when your stand ins are two to three feet taller than who they're standing in for. Well, that's where Kevin and Tracy Thompson come in the real life married couple. Both little people actors quickly became vital components to keeping our show on time and looking good, and little did we know we were amongst legends. Kevin Thompson began his career in a little movie called Blade Runner. Then he was something called an e Walk in Star Wars Return of the Jedi, a role and experience. Tracy and Kevin wrote an entire book about their resumes. Just don't stop. They've They've been seen in Weird Science, The Neighborhood, Spaced Invaders, The Garbage Pail Kids, Movie Raising Hope, Knight of the Creeps, Looney Tunes, Back in Action, Munchies and so so much more.

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Speaker 2: Munch Munchies but not munchies too, not strikes.

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Speaker 1: And both have been at the forefront of fighting for little people representation in film and TV, something that I have also taken up over the past few years. And they've seen it all, even the Hollywood shorties, which we'll get into. And so now we feel privileged to introduce you to our guests this week on Podmets World. It's our unforgettable stand ins. Kevin and Tracy Thompson.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to you got Oh.

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Speaker 5: My god, thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Mine's just mine's just bleached, that is mine. Yes, good to see you both again.

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Speaker 6: Wow to see you too. You guys were just babies.

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Speaker 5: You guys look the same.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe thirty years have passed, but they have.

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Speaker 5: You know, because we have a thirty year old.

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Speaker 6: I got pregnant.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a show.

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Speaker 6: Me love it.

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Speaker 1: What is your what is your thirty year old child's name?

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Speaker 6: Wyatt? Whyat?

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Speaker 2: Oh great name?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I love that. Okay.

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Speaker 6: In French it means little warrior. And I had such a hard time because he's he was the size of me when he was born. So wow, yeah, I was crazy.

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Speaker 1: Is he averagised?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? He's six foot four?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god? Thing if we know of he's the tallest child from two little people. Yeah really yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you know I'm very good friends with Nick Risito. Yes, yes, and I mean Nick is average sized. He's fat ten, he's not six four.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we love Nick. I remember when his mom, when his mom was pregnant with him.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I introduced his parents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so amazing. Yeah. So Nick Rosito is a very good friend of mine. He's a writer and producer on some of the shows that I direct for. And his parents are both little people, and so we have spent many years talking about our connection with you guys and his parents. It's so wonderful. Well, I want to get into all of the stuff about how you came to us on Boy Meets World. But before we get to Boy Meets World, how did you to enter show business? What is your Hollywood origin story?

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right.

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Speaker 6: I started my friend Kathy in she's a little person and she here we are talking about pregnancies, and so she was pregnant with her son now on give me a break with Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they were just babies too, So I worked on that show when they were little. And then that's how I started as a stand in dialogue coach. You know, as you know, we're not just stand ins because we're the size of kids, and so the it changes a little bit, so when we are standing in for kids, because kids are so active and they need a lot more help than just an adult standing in.

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Speaker 5: So exactly bring them back from school. You guys are studying geography and algebra, and now it's like no, no, now it's the time to do the do the script, get that back into your mind, right.

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Speaker 1: So of course you work with them on memorizing their lines and making sure they're focused and they know what's going on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of them had I don't I don't remember you guys doing it, but a lot of kids that we worked with were hiding candy on the set and so the director go find that candy because it hiked up, and I'm like, I don't want to be the bad guy. I'm not gonna get their candy. But yeah, I remember finding candy in different hiding spots that kids waiting teacher.

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Speaker 1: You love it and parents won't let you have it, so I'll just hide it on set.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's got to have a drawer filled with gum and candy somewhere.

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Speaker 5: Craft service, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 5: Kevin?

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Speaker 1: What about you? How did you? What was your Hollywood origin story?

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Speaker 5: I was studying drama television film in college and then I got the movie called Under the Rainbow and they were looking for many, many little people and they ended up with one hundred and fifty and I was a local one and I was at so they needed a stunt crew, so I did a lot of different stunts for Under the Rainbow, but it wasn't on contract and I didn't get it on in SAG until the movie Blade Runner.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a small film, little film, and so my.

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Speaker 5: Very first line was home Again, Home Again, Jiggity Jake as one of those little toy, the toy Napoleon Bear. And that was that's how I started and just kept working from that. So that was nineteen eighty eighty one that I started doing that type of stuff, I mean, getting the line so that that.

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Speaker 1: Must have been insane to film. What are some of your favorite Blade Runner stories?

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Speaker 5: Well, the very beginning I was there, I was working nights, I was working in the rain on the noodle bar, the very beginning scene, and it was like this sucks, this is and we capture that. Tracy captured that in the book that she wrote about my time on Return of the Jedi. But I was just sweaty. I was sweaty, I was freezing, I was hot, I was tired, and like why what am I doing? Why am I here? And a guy comes up to me and says, hey, uh, how you doing. It's like does he really want to know? Though? I let him know, and I was like this sucks. I don't know who's writing this. I don't know who's directing this sucks that blah blah blah. Because that was just a street extra at the time. And the guy he's got those little Dixie cups. He goes here, have a sip. I'm like, all right. I was like Scotch. I was like, wow, what is this. He's like, what do you do? And he goes, I'm the director, Biddley Scott, and like, oh, why so? And but you know, it's the crew really was having a tough time with them. They actually said Will Rogers never met Ridley Scott. They had all these t shirts and so it was very, very tough set. So he kind of found a friend. It was, you know, just I'll just be what do you want to say? His buddy. So he wrote three parts for me. He wrote, I jumped the car on one of those guys. I did the bear Napoleon Bear, and then I'm a mime smoking clown right before the big fight with Chris and Harrison Ford. Oh wow, man, you know, so it was I just kept working through all through the movie. So it was it was cool for me.

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Speaker 3: I like him, that Will Rogers, that's a big that's a big Hollywood insult.

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Speaker 2: That's an old school big hollyway.

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Speaker 5: I don't get it. What's the insult?

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Speaker 2: So the what they used to say is Will Rogers never met a man? He didn't like.

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Speaker 3: That was like the famous saying. So anytime somebody would say to you, Will Rogers never met.

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Speaker 2: You, did he was like, you're an ass?

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Speaker 3: Essentially they're saying, so, yeah, that's that was a big old school Hollywood insult. Yeah, that's wow. That's having t shirts made. That's that's taking it, like to the next level.

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Speaker 5: Man, pretty great, exactly. Yeah, wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, then you mentioned the movie you were known around the globe for Return of the Jedi. You play an e walk first in Return of the Jedi, then in the subsequent Ewalk films. Can you tell us about your experience on those movies and what were the.

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Speaker 3: Suits like and don't leave anything out on a nerd and I need to hear it all.

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Speaker 5: Well, you show them the book. We capture that all in Tracy's book I'm on Return of the Jedi called it's an available on Amazon called My Journey to Endoor, and it's the suits were very tough. We were little bear space bears, and we had a two inch fat suit from the wrist to our ankles in three different pieces. It was a chess piece from the arms and then two like pork chop arms on the leg legs. Yea two pork chopped legs. So then you put a fur coat over that, then latex feet, latex hands, and last late a latex mask with plastic eyes that would fog up as soon as you put it on.

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Speaker 6: And it's a sixteen and a.

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Speaker 5: Sixty sixteen inchency. So most bushes are higher than our en seam, and my enseme is actually long for the little people who were there. Some little people were only thirty six inches tall, you know, so they had as much smaller ensem. So a furnace gigantis, which is a six inch six foot fern, would be kind of like a uh the those those silent movies where you're run into something and then that's some of you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which now which you walkword?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you one of the featured ones? Can you? Can you point out to which one you are?

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Speaker 5: I'm twenty different E walks. I'm in all the battles. Signature signature E walk is the one with the white slash like that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course, all right, yeah, you know exact.

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Speaker 5: Nature walk and that's Chubb Ray. But I played twenty different e walks because I take out all three atsts, so I can't be in three different spots. But my one I swing into the village thing. I take to every single swing and the way Tracy captured it. I tried to write it, but all I had was notes, and so during COVID, Tracy goes, all right, all right, I'll stop, I'll stop. You're bugging me so much, and it's it's kind of like kid you right, So we sat down and we wrote the book basically for our son, because there's so many and the and the fan base so big, so that they you know, it's we just wrote it for him. But the fan base really liked it, and so it became a bestseller on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: That is so great. What was the counsels of writing like Tracy?

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Speaker 6: Oh, it was. It was challenging because this was the first book I wrote, and so I had heard these stories for years with Kevin, and he had posted notes and things, and every time we went into a grocery store or wherever, he would always like see a kid with a Star Wars shirt and say, hey, I'm in that. Do you want to hear the stories? And I'm like, oh, I just want to get in and get out. So I was just like, Okay, the pandemic hit, we have the time, let's write it. And it was for our son, and so our son hooked us up to since it was the pandemic, we never met the technical side of somebody who could take it and process it into a book form. So I don't even know what it's called format format it, but.

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Speaker 5: And we chose the We chose the the different kind of like a fairy tale of ships.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can the phone launch in the paper. And the artist we met him on a pensilicon. You guys go to all the we and so he's from Japan and we went to the Blue Angels since we were down there, the Air Force Blue Angels, the Museum Museum, and he couldn't speak English, but he toured with us.

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Speaker 5: He was doing reconnaissance for his work of a Lot of God.

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Speaker 6: And Cool, so he uh, we came back and he drew this for us, and we asked if we could put it in our book as the book cover and he was so honored and so sweet. It was really sweet. So it was a fun process.

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Speaker 5: It took us four years, Wow, because the legalities because you didn't you didn't want to say anything negative in the in the Lucas.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we had to go to Lucas.

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Speaker 5: You wanted to make sure.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and at that time, Disney was also buying Lucas all this stuff, so we were right kind of caught in the middle of all that.

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Speaker 5: It's Lucas, but it's Disney, but it's Lucas Disney for all the licensing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, Disney is famously very open with their i P. They love when people.

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Speaker 5: Just taking.

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Speaker 2: Things about it and what the kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, Kevin, how long did you work on Return of the Jedi?

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Speaker 5: That was there? Six weeks? One week in UH London at Elstreet Studios and five weeks on location up in uh north of Crescent City. Yeah, you're most Smith River. Do you know that one Fisherman? Beth River is the town that we actually shot the film in.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's so cool. And you know it was originally a wookie planet.

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Speaker 3: It was originally to be all wookies and then they wanted to make it more child friendly for the toys, so they changed into the Ewoks.

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Speaker 5: Well, they was more primitive and if Chewi is driving a spaceship, you can't really stay there primitive, So then he changed the word around. But then there's also an Indian tribe out there called the Mee Walk Tribe, which so we kind of basted off of that Ewoks Wookie being backwards for Ewok Wookie, same thing, and so there's a couple of different ways of doing that. Tracy and I were invited to the opening of the the Sequoia Zoo in Eureka, which has a e Wok village path to walk above the animals.

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Speaker 2: There doing that. That's awesome. Yeah, Kevin, it sounds like they.

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Speaker 4: Threw you into a lot of stunts. Were you technically a stunt actor or.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah I was. I was the main stunt actor for all the Ewoks. That's why I played twenty different ewalks.

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Speaker 6: You were a gymnast, that's how.

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Speaker 5: You Yeah, I was a gymnast. I was a wrestler. I was a mime and so JR. Randall, who was the stunt coordinator, also did all the Indiana Jones pictures. We wait a minute, you're a mime and a gymnast. Yeah, you're exactly what we need. Yeah, you know until I made a thing of like a monkey and a bear for my audition and I ran around and I did many different gymnastic moves and I actually ran full speed into a wall, fell backwards, went into a handstand and fell on my tummy and said, yeah, I can do stunts.

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Speaker 2: Wow, geez, oh man, I need even you.

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Speaker 5: Were no we were auditioning for Blue Harvest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, It's right. You never knew.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know until I got to London actually, and I went, wait a minute, that's Mark Hampbell, that's Harry Fisher, that's R two D two.

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Speaker 1: First time you knew all that time we called it's.

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Speaker 5: Not really it's kind of but it's not Revenge of the Jedi. It's and it's like, this is revenge that Jedi.

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Speaker 2: That's what it was. Revenge.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't the Return of the Jedi at the time. Revenge of the Jedi. That's right, Yeah, awesome, so cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kevin, we also need to talk about the infamous Garbage Pale Kids movie. You play Ali Gator, and this movie is insane.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen it, but I've heard it's bonkers.

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Speaker 5: Be inebriated.

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Speaker 3: When you watch, it's like being on acid without spending any money.

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Speaker 5: It's badly made, bad movie. Okay, do you guys ever work with mackenzie at all? Or what's the girl's name? No, Katie Barbary, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Barbary, Why do I know that name?

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Speaker 5: She does a lot of Telemundo stuff. She's actually bilingual and so she does a lot. She's very big in the Telemundo But Garbagepeled kid was.

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Speaker 6: Still going strong and all these comic cons and stuff. People are sending us so many items to sign.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a huge cult following it.

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Speaker 6: Sure does.

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Speaker 1: Nick's mom is also in that movie with you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, like Robert all the like doing her snot and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Are some of your wild stories.

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Speaker 5: From now and that is I was not supposed to be one of the lead characters, but as soon I was, my name was alligated and I got to do the voice. I was one of the you guys who got to do the voice. I kind of said, where was it be a good place for an alligator to have a voice? And it's like, wouldn't it be great to have, like a New Jersey type of accent, because you know one of those guys that got fleshed down the toilet, because yeah, that's where the voice kind of came from. And then I started improvising a lot of my lines, like a Knight ball a day helps get the doctor away. You know they still looking those it. I got to watch this movie. Yeah you have whatever your your bic?

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Speaker 3: Yes, well that was I mean that was my age range. All my friends had garbage pail kids. That's all they ever did. And to this day, I still want the entire set, just to have them, just to have them.

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Speaker 5: You actually have a little forty five Oh yeah, the first time I was recorded as the singer. Yeah, wooking with each other, remember that, Yeah, exactly, that's very much. So we have a couple of forty five's around here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the Hollywood Shorties as well?

00:28:19
Speaker 5: The Hollywood Shorties that that was what. Yeah. Nick Rosino's father was the manager of the Hollywood Shorties and they were looking for players. And now my mom found out about this at eleven years old. Billy Barty started it actually before Little People of America because Billy was a very good athlete when he was younger. He was actually a two time letterman at what is now cal State LA. At the time they called it La State, but now it's cal State LA. And he was on the true He went to school during the war because he was too young to uh and too short to fight in the war. But they needed more they weren't they didn't have as many players.

00:29:04
Speaker 6: It was for awareness, right.

00:29:07
Speaker 5: But he wanted to join the football team. Right.

00:29:09
Speaker 1: For our listeners who may not even know anything about the Hollywood Shorties, why don't you tell Why don't you tell our listeners what they are?

00:29:16
Speaker 5: The Billy Bardy, I mean, the Hollywood Shorties were the smallest professional basketball and baseball teams in the world. Our players ranged in size from three foot six to four foot ten, and we had baseball and basketball. We actually played soccer against the Laser Girls. We played whatever sport you basically threw at us. But our biggest was the basketball and baseball.

00:29:49
Speaker 6: Teams, and it was for awareness.

00:29:50
Speaker 5: And it was awareness and charity. We raised a lot of funds for different charities all through the southern California area and the little people of America. We raised funds for adoption so that kids parents could afford adoption of little people who were put up for adoption, and then also surgery. Some people couldn't afford surgery, so we would raise money to go towards that fund for that certain persons surgery, and just different things of you know, the PTA, these different sports teams of little leagues and things like that.

00:30:30
Speaker 6: And you guys also met like a lot of average sized parents who have a little person. I've never experienced other little people, and so a lot of times there would be new parents coming to these games and seeing little people do just like everybody else. So it was it was a beautiful thing. I remember being in the audience and I would be people that have never seen another little person before, even other little people, and I say, wow.

00:30:55
Speaker 5: My child can do that exactly. And so now what we all I got old and now they have what's called the d a A, the Dwarf Athletic Association, but the the we were the forefront of all that before that time, and then we had little gags in there. Tracy was actually part of our biggest gag. She was the I would get knocked out and nobody could revive me, so a girl from the audience was brought out to give me like the snow white.

00:31:28
Speaker 7: Kiss, and and I go off with her and they come out, and then Tracy comes back out and she's like, oh, I was fulling around on my wife.

00:31:42
Speaker 5: Gives me a smack that sends me into the wall.

00:31:45
Speaker 8: So it was so cute.

00:32:01
Speaker 1: Both of you have been really at the forefront of little people representation in TV and film for many years, and we will be talking mostly about your time on Boy Meets World. So I wondered if you could give us the lay of the land regarding roles and opportunities that you could get in the eighties and nineties.

00:32:20
Speaker 5: Well, in the eighties and nineties wasn't as PC, so.

00:32:25
Speaker 6: You were able to do the character parts, the charge parts available now because of how the world is with political correctness. And I understand that, but I guess one of the controversies now compared to what it was back in the eighties, right, you.

00:32:40
Speaker 5: Don't see little people playing leprechauns. You don't see little people playing elves. The question of that was, we didn't say we didn't want to play elves and leprechauns. We said we wanted to play other things too, exactly, when's the last time you saw a little guy or a little woman playing a teacher laying a lawyer? Back in back in the eighties, we had David Rappaport playing a lawyer on La Lawact. I was a stunt devil and it was you had little people playing doctors at at times. But mom and dads, when's the last time you saw someone playing a mom and dad? Billy Bardy and Patty Maloney were doing that all on the different shows like love Boat or Fantasy Island or all the different shows. You would say, Oh, it was kind of like a guess who's coming to dinner and let's meet the parents? Oh, oh right, wow, we have Oh what do we say? You know, it's the awkwardness of the of the moment, which was funny at times. And then you would come and tell more about the storyline of why they have an average size, of how that happens, the biological of things like if it's not passed on of a of a dwarfism, then they're an avergeised child, just like we have. And now your friend Nick or our friend Nick Nick. Since he was a day old, the Tracy's parents were advertised. My parents were average sized. Most little people are born to average sized parents.

00:34:33
Speaker 6: Back to this heart, we don't have to bring Kevin back.

00:34:40
Speaker 5: Very but it goes back to when's the last time you saw a little person on TV on a commercial?

00:34:51
Speaker 3: Speaking of Mickey, Mickey from Seinfeld, I guess was was was a pretty great role at the time, but it was rare, I mean incredibly but Danny Woodmark Danny.

00:35:02
Speaker 5: But how many years ago was that?

00:35:05
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nineties, mid nineties, right, so that.

00:35:08
Speaker 5: Was thirty years ago almost.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even now with.

00:35:12
Speaker 6: New technology, we're being replaced by C G I and all that. With the Huntsmen, they're not little people. They have dwarves in it, but they're all not little people.

00:35:22
Speaker 2: Or the Snow White movie coming out.

00:35:26
Speaker 3: White Movie coming Out is a big controversunity.

00:35:29
Speaker 6: That's very controversy.

00:35:30
Speaker 5: It's bad animation.

00:35:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's like it's now, I mean, yeah, there is. It's very strategy all the way around.

00:35:38
Speaker 5: Why did they use animated.

00:35:41
Speaker 1: Dwarves taking jobs away from little people actors?

00:35:45
Speaker 5: Right? Exactly right now, I did. I just ran into we did the Hollywood Show and I hadn't seen Rex Smith in years, and he had played Prince Charminge in Shelley Duvall's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves that Ary Tarild Theater and he goes, and that was one of our conversations. It's what the heck They're spending billions of money animating and you guys, we did a great job in a week. We had a week rehearsal in a week to shoot the show. And he said, and it's great, but no, they have to kind of ruin it of doing it that way. Which is the controversy is I'm glad people are mad about it, and I'm mad about it, but I had a job taken away from me. But you know, I'm glad you're mad about it. I'm glad Tracy's going where's my new shoes? But they're not offering something. Even today, Peter Dinkliic has gotten many, many accolades, but even in that, you don't see little people in regular roles. Madison Avenue has forgotten us completely. It's just it's I don't mean to be bitter, but it's just it's just what it is.

00:37:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reshure. Yeah, well, do you remember getting your job on Boy Meets World? Switching Gears to Boy Meets World. Do you remember getting the job?

00:37:16
Speaker 5: We didn't know what we were going to Auto World?

00:37:20
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do.

00:37:22
Speaker 5: Well.

00:37:22
Speaker 6: We worked with John Tracy on Growing Paints, so we had known him for several years. Who did the pilot for you guys. So I remember he would bring us with us to a lot of different shows. We were kind of in his pocket, you know, so and he did all the kids shows so during that time. So we went from Growing Paints to Boy Meets World and uh, I remember Michael Jacobs and so we kind of we had this routine with John. It wasn't uh, it was just it was unspoken.

00:38:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, knew that he goes you got Are they ready for him? Are they ready for camera?

00:38:06
Speaker 6: He gave us a lot of responsibility compared to most directors, and it was almost like a father figure to us. So it was, you know, we didn't want to get in trouble.

00:38:14
Speaker 5: We wanted to make them proud, but we didn't want to get in trouble. Yeah, sure, as it was the voice of God. Did they get their note trace?

00:38:21
Speaker 6: It was always we were kind of the go between with you guys, the kids and the director because the director didn't have a lot of time once the once you guys came on set, and so I remember working with Lily, you know, Lily Eyed Morgan, Lily say and uh, she she was challenging. She was wonderful, but that age is challenging and so to stay focused. And I just remember always, uh, John would say, Tracy, just over the intercom in front of everybody, Tracy, did you give them their notes? And I'm like yeah, and the and Lily's like like am I Lily?

00:39:01
Speaker 5: Everybody acts Yeah, yeah, it was.

00:39:07
Speaker 6: It was pretty funny. But that's interesting how we started.

00:39:11
Speaker 5: And we remember when you got the.

00:39:13
Speaker 1: Job, you do.

00:39:16
Speaker 5: Well.

00:39:17
Speaker 6: We were in the audience. It was during rehearsal, and uh, April Kelly, do you remember her? She she was hiding. She came up to the audience behind Kevin and I because we always stood up on the audience when you guys were rehearsing, so we could see your blocking and everything. And she was whispering behind us and she was saying, watch watch Danielle. And we're like, oh, okay, because I forget the gal that was originally.

00:39:43
Speaker 5: Cast, but she was cast a completely different type of role.

00:39:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I remember her saying to watch you, and we were watching you and she was really in your corner.

00:39:55
Speaker 5: She really liked.

00:39:56
Speaker 6: You, and I remember her talking about you as Topanga. And then because we always stayed with the notes and after, you know, afterwards, and that I remember the whole thing when she was talking about it.

00:40:08
Speaker 5: It was the girl who had you replaced was doing her role exactly the way that Yeah, she did it exactly the way that that Michael wanted her to do it. It just was he realized in the middle of the show that.

00:40:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just wanted to go a whole other way with the character and yeah.

00:40:31
Speaker 5: Exact well. I remember when Writer was not cast in a certain character and they had a guest star of I won't say that, and it just wasn't working. And so when he was let go and you came in, everything was working. It was like they were writing writing for Writer but not for the other character. And between you two it was this magic. Yeah. And when that came in, when you came in, everything just it just flowed. It was like, wow, there it is, yeah, yeah, and it's funny the way that goes. It was nothing against the kid the way who go Yeah, it just with you.

00:41:18
Speaker 3: So they wait were the two of you then on the pilot a Boy Meets World with the original cancn so you were so you were there when it was Matt McCoy was the dad. There was another older brother and what so what was the how did the pilot.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: Shoot of Boy Meets World?

00:41:34
Speaker 3: Well, wasn't even Boy meets all the time when we got the untitled Ben Savage project that was called eleven. Yeah, so what was what was the shoot of the pilot?

00:41:43
Speaker 6: Like it was still it was still really funny, well done, and it was funny. I think Michael Jacobs, you know how he just is so intense and knows exactly what he wants, and so I think it just wasn't what he you know, was just needed.

00:42:01
Speaker 5: A little bit of tweaky, yeah, you know. And so there was just.

00:42:07
Speaker 6: Originally it was all about family, you know, it was the family dynamics, and then it got into you know the relationships of you guys as kids and growing up and and all the adventures that you guys would experience in the schooling with Bill Daniels.

00:42:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, being the neighbor of almost like the mister Wilson from Dennis the Menus type of thing.

00:42:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you so you had done so many family show pilots beforehand when you saw eleven or or the untitled Ben Savage project, was there a moment of like, this isn't this isn't going to work, or Hey, I think there might be something here. I mean, could you tell either way? As the show was progressing in front.

00:42:48
Speaker 5: Of you have to say, we've worked on some really funny things. Yeaheah, man, I can't wait to watch this one.

00:42:54
Speaker 2: Nothing right during pilot.

00:42:56
Speaker 6: During pilot season, Kevin, I would work like five pilots.

00:43:00
Speaker 2: Now you don't you know, you don't, Yeah, it doesn't exist, right.

00:43:03
Speaker 6: And then by the end of it, and then whatever is picked up, we would have to choose. Okay, who do you which one do you do you like? Which one?

00:43:11
Speaker 5: Where do you think it's.

00:43:12
Speaker 6: Going to go?

00:43:14
Speaker 5: Sometimes time slots, Yeah, so.

00:43:19
Speaker 6: So we would have to pick. We were Yeah, we were so busy.

00:43:23
Speaker 5: During Oh that's on the West side, We're going to be driving.

00:43:25
Speaker 2: From conversations.

00:43:33
Speaker 6: We knew that you that it was a Savage pilot at the time, Yeah, And we knew that that was a name and he was determined to make it work.

00:43:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Michael knows family sitcom, and we've talked about that is there's a rhythm to comedy in sitcom and family sitcom especially, and yeah, he's got the beat in his head.

00:43:52
Speaker 2: He definitely does.

00:43:54
Speaker 1: You guys also then worked with one of our absolute favorites, Lee Norris. Do you have any specific memories about working with Lee?

00:44:02
Speaker 6: It was so fun.

00:44:04
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:44:04
Speaker 6: Tommy Madden, the late Tommy Madden. I don't know if you guys remember himally the most, but because we were assigned certain people, but uh he uh came from was he and I worked on that one, and yeah, you're just so so sweet and nice and I really like he was as smart as his character was.

00:44:29
Speaker 1: Yes, who were you guys assigned to? Who did you stand in for? Tracy? You stand for me?

00:44:35
Speaker 6: Well for Lily and I study for you. Yeah, so it was you and then any female. But we we always jumped around and so even like Kevin was Ben and uh Will was Matt Kirkwood and writer I think you sometimes we were just whoever bounced around. Yeah, so yeah, but specifically I was like, yeah, and it was you know what, sometimes it would get physical, Well, not with you guys so much, but like I would stand in for kids that are like five six years old and they'd be jumping on the couch. So guess who has to jump on the couch, right, It's.

00:45:18
Speaker 4: Like a little kid, and so bring all that energy.

00:45:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was very physical because a lot of times you guys wouldn't do the run throughs for the producers.

00:45:27
Speaker 5: And we would do it right out of time.

00:45:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, the day would end for you guys or whatever you guys had to do, so we would be doing the run throughs and things like that.

00:45:37
Speaker 1: Did you guys like being able to work together?

00:45:40
Speaker 6: It was fun? Yeah, it worked out right. And in fact, like we were saying, boy meets Will, I remember just the scheduling and everything because you guys were all kids. The hours weren't as long as a feature film. Sometimes I was on location for sixteen hours or whatever.

00:45:58
Speaker 5: It was somewhere and act in the was time.

00:46:01
Speaker 6: So I knew. I remember telling Kevin we were up in the audience, in the audience and we wanted a family. And I remember saying, Okay, this is the show. We're going to get pregnant on it. And he's like, what, Like, what did you just say to me? A Matt cirk who was there and We're like, okay, this is the one, and so sure enough we got pregnant. And but that was also got pregnant.

00:46:26
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:46:28
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a conception show.

00:46:31
Speaker 6: I guess it was a time show. If you guys remember ninety four, was it the earthquake fires there in October?

00:46:42
Speaker 5: It was.

00:46:47
Speaker 1: Barbara, Yeah, it was.

00:46:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was I just moved to Los Angeles and that was my first year and I was like, what where did I.

00:46:58
Speaker 2: Just move to? Earthquakes? Floods? It was yeah, it was like, where are we gonna get me back to Connecticut? This place is crazy?

00:47:04
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:47:05
Speaker 5: Nuts.

00:47:06
Speaker 6: I remember meeting your family, I remember your parents, I remember everybody's family and parents, and they were so happy for all of you guys. It was a new experience for you.

00:47:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was such a it was such a family set, like everybody we were everyone was there all the time, and yeah, it was it was a It was a good time. And Kevin, we also heard your voice on season one It's a Wonderful life. I think it may be episode number eighteen. How did that come about?

00:47:33
Speaker 5: Well, they had we always want to get a little something in there because our job doesn't give the residual and the residual was always nice off season, you know, it was a whole boy you know, got to stick it up. Yeah. But they had tried out a couple of different voices for that R rated movie that Ben rents, and so they were looking for a bad guy and I had just gotten off the movie Space Invaders were a play the character that has a Jack Nicholson accent. I did the accent. They were like, that's it, That's exactly it. You. So that's what they wanted as the character because he was kind of like a shining type. And then you did.

00:48:31
Speaker 6: One on a bench thing? Yeah where we did?

00:48:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did. I think that was the bench sure thing was the was the R rated video?

00:48:44
Speaker 6: I think so. And Arlene Grayson, do you guys remember really really sweet and so she made sure she took care of us.

00:48:52
Speaker 1: She did, and so everyone we've spoken to who everybody's everybody took care of me, every single person.

00:49:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just yeah, that was her. That was if you remember, big pagr, big smile, big laugh.

00:49:08
Speaker 1: I a lot of legacy she left behind for everybody, because everyone says the same thing. I felt really taken care of by her. She took care of me. She looked out for me. She brought me from the show to that show. She did plumped me out of obscurity in some cases, like, yeah, Arlene was a wonderful woman.

00:49:24
Speaker 6: It brought me to the Sinbad Pilot with and Brandy all kinds of things. Yeah, she brought me to a lot. She she would bring me to different things and she was just so sweet.

00:49:35
Speaker 1: And so what year did you guys leave Boy Meets World And where did you go next?

00:49:40
Speaker 6: Well, you guys outgrew us pretty quickly, and that's that's the thing. Kids shoot up really fast. And so where did I?

00:49:49
Speaker 5: Oh?

00:49:49
Speaker 6: I ended up staying home because I had Wyatt. So yeah, so I was a stay at home mother for a year until I started back.

00:49:56
Speaker 5: I thought a show called home. What is called? It was the small Att Family, so a new journey small at It was kind of an offshoot from uh family Matters.

00:50:09
Speaker 6: I forget what? Yeah, and that was John Tracy also went to that right.

00:50:14
Speaker 5: John Tracy had started becoming the It was a what do you want to say? They tried to make it a sitcom, but it was a It was so much work was needed on it. They were doing that single camera we did we didn't even have time because of all the kids. Of the kids were left home alone and the oldest brother did a Missus Doubtfire Ralph Harricks comedian at the time, so he did the He did that. I think it may have gotten the Emmy Award for makeup. I'm not sure. I know he got. The creator John Cannon got the Academy Award or doubt Fire who didn't. But that was just that was the show that we went to. I think after that and then you looked at it and went, I got to do We worked so hard to have a baby, I'm not going to do this, so I'm going to stay home.

00:51:09
Speaker 6: And then I went to like HR for Disney Studios for a while, a regular job.

00:51:17
Speaker 1: Well, we talked a little bit about how difficult there are to be, you know, how it's become. They're making it more and more difficult for a little people to find jobs in the entertainment industry. Is stand in work something that's still possible? Is that something? How has that changed in.

00:51:34
Speaker 5: I haven't see the last couple of things I've done. Sleton I did Skeleton Crew. Okay, yeah, I was Neil's but I was all actually all I stood in for all four of them, all four kids. They were great kids. And that was you know, that was whereas we do a show in a week, they did a show in a month. Yea, so it was it was seven months, eight episodes for seven months.

00:52:00
Speaker 6: So wow, I'm retired.

00:52:03
Speaker 5: Retired, I'm semi retired. So a lot of it is do I look like a child now? I like to think so, but yes, yes, but you know I am a little bit up there now I'm older than the parents, so it is a little different. I stood in my very first time for Peter Dinklic for a movie with al Pacino called Lear Rex, which is King Lear. I mean just recently, and so that was the last thing I really did. It's just Hollywood basically the last couple of years since COVID has really shut down. We have a lot of friends who are like, you know, going into different jobs, who've been you know, three generations of working in a certain either camera or team stirs or things like that, or looking for other jobs because it's just it's not there.

00:53:02
Speaker 6: But the good thing about for us not only being in front of the camera stand in work was great for us to it went towards our pension and health and health care. So uh, instead of getting a job outside when we weren't working in front of the camera, the stand in work was a great uh yeah, but actually we enjoyed it. Yeah, And some actors are like, how can you be in front of the camera one week and behind the camera as a stand in the next, And we're like, it's not about that. It's about creating something, having the same goals as everybody, being a team player, and it went for It was our love too, So whether we were in front of the camera behind the camera, it still is making a beautiful product together and that's that's what we loved about it.

00:53:55
Speaker 3: That's one of the things I think. I mean, we we all kind of knew it. Asaniel always says, it takes a village to make a great show. We all kind of you know, we had that in our minds. Oh yeah, it took a lot of people. But the more we've been doing the podcast and interviewing people and talking to people, we really realized how true a statement that is. Where it took all of us to do what was on the screen, and by the time you got to see us doing the lines or the actors doing the show, there were already three hundred people involved in just getting us to that point. And man, that's one of the things that has really opened my eyes about doing this podcast is how naive we were to all the work everybody put in to make the show what it is.

00:54:34
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's much different than we thought.

00:54:37
Speaker 5: Well, like, the pre production makes the production go well, and then you yip a great post production to finish it all up. But one person, crazy thing is one person throwing a wrench and the thing can just screw up everything. Yep. Like you said, you want to be a team player and everybody playing that team.

00:54:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you two were an absolutely unforgettable part of Boy Meets World for all of us, and we appreciate you so much just in general, but really also being here with us and sharing your experiences. You guys are i mean, your Hollywood legends, and I encourage everybody to go and pick up Tracy's book tell us the name of it one more time.

00:55:21
Speaker 6: It's called My Journey to End, or you can find it on Amazon.

00:55:25
Speaker 2: I'm getting it, Okay.

00:55:29
Speaker 6: You know, you guys make us proud. We are so proud of all of you. You you know, we see so many child actors come through and we work all together as a family, and we're just really proud of each one of you.

00:55:40
Speaker 5: So you're a good kids. Yeah, you're good kid.

00:55:43
Speaker 6: You made our job.

00:55:45
Speaker 1: So thanks, thank you, thank you. Appreciate you so much. It's great to see your faces. I hope I can see your face in person sometime soon too. We should do it. We should do a Nick Risito group group around and I'll bring Will and writer and and that'd be really great. We'd love to see you.

00:56:04
Speaker 6: We'd love it.

00:56:04
Speaker 3: And since we since we've technically known him since he was conceived, I'd like to meet Wyant as well.

00:56:11
Speaker 2: We had a.

00:56:11
Speaker 1: Hand in that.

00:56:14
Speaker 2: You're welcome.

00:56:18
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Great to see you both. Take care. Oh my gosh, so great to connect with them.

00:56:28
Speaker 3: His voice, especially when we heard him before he even saw him. I just it brought me right back to the set. I was just so funny.

00:56:35
Speaker 4: I was thinking when you were talking about like being a team effort, I was like, wat, we actually barely got to work with them in scene.

00:56:43
Speaker 2: We just hung out.

00:56:44
Speaker 4: I just remember hanging out and talking to them, you know, at craft service.

00:56:48
Speaker 5: But it's so funny.

00:56:48
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, right, whenever they were working, we were in school.

00:56:51
Speaker 3: So when they were I got to work with them more than you guys, because you're in school and I could sit there. Yeah right, yeah, so it'd be Ben or be Right or whoever whoever they were they were standing in for so I got a chance to work with him a lot more.

00:57:05
Speaker 2: And it was just, yeah, it was. It was a ton of fun, It really was. I want.

00:57:09
Speaker 3: It's so strange to see because they're talking about Peter Dinklage, who is arguably next to Billy Barty with he was talking about Billy Barty. Anybody out there who doesn't know who Billy Barty is go and google him, because he's He's arguably the most famous little person actor ever.

00:57:22
Speaker 2: He was in Everything.

00:57:24
Speaker 3: But Peter Dinklage comes along and is also in everything and is winning Emmys for Game of Thrones, and it seems like, as again, arguably the most recognizable and famous little person is becoming more and more famous, there's less work for little people, which is such a strange dynamic, you know it was, I mean, because they are they're casting Peter Dinklage as just a person, as they should, and you wonder why that is kind of feeling more and more.

00:57:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly why is it just him?

00:57:55
Speaker 3: Because there's a whole group of little people out there that are phenomenal, and yeah, it's very strange.

00:58:00
Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails pod meets World Show at gmail dot com. And we've got merch.

00:58:12
Speaker 3: I don't know where to go with this because the part of me wants to do Star Wars merch.

00:58:16
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I want to do nub nub merch, nub nub merch. I would ever. I mean, there's so much I want to go garbage, pale merchant.

00:58:24
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go with you straight up merch, because that's what Barry Barty kata merch.

00:58:29
Speaker 2: But Billy Barty he sounds like this. He's very famous for sounding just like this. I'm Billy Barty, So I'm gonna do merch.

00:58:36
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00:58:41
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