Headlights in the Fog: A Terrifying Alabama Bigfoot Encounter | Surrounded by Sasquatch in Daylight

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome to Sasquatch Theory. Some encounters happen
<v Speaker 1>in the dead of night, others follow you for years.
<v Speaker 1>Tonight's guest is Aaron from Alabama, a man who has
<v Speaker 1>lived on his property for over thirteen years and believes
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch activity surrounded his home for nearly a decade. His
<v Speaker 1>first experience didn't happen to him. It happened to his
<v Speaker 1>wife in the early morning hours of September twenty fourteen,
<v Speaker 1>on a fog covered road near their home. Headlights illuminated
<v Speaker 1>a massive figure traveling along the roadside. What she saw
<v Speaker 1>had shining fur, white souls on its feet, no visible shoulders,
<v Speaker 1>and a heavy, powerful build moving away into the darkness.
<v Speaker 1>This is a very interesting report and it reminds us
<v Speaker 1>that sometimes it's not just one or two sidings. Sometimes
<v Speaker 1>these things follow you home. If you've had a bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>encounter and you would like to share it with me
<v Speaker 1>here on the channel, feel free to reach out sometime
<v Speaker 1>at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. With all that
<v Speaker 1>being said, let's dive straight into Aaron's bigfoot encounters from
<v Speaker 1>the state of Alabama. All right, eron, Welcome to sasquatch theory.
<v Speaker 1>How are you doing.
<v Speaker 2>Today, doing good? Doing good good.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to have you on the show. Erin if
<v Speaker 1>you would tell me a little bit about yourself, where
<v Speaker 1>you're from, and your encounters and experiences from the very beginning. Please.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, my name is Aaron from Alabama. I have lived
<v Speaker 2>here all my life. I'll just say southern Alabama. I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say really an exact exact location, but
<v Speaker 2>southern Alabama. I've done care roof and things like that.
<v Speaker 2>I've had this property where the activity we've experienced, we've
<v Speaker 2>had this property for around thirteen years. So yeah, that's
<v Speaker 2>kind of a little rundown there.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I appreciate you for sharing that with me. If
<v Speaker 1>you would tell me about your first experience and put
<v Speaker 1>me in your shoes and run me through what happened.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So as far as that goes, we'll have to
<v Speaker 2>back up a little bit here because the first experiences
<v Speaker 2>that we had out here was actually not even on
<v Speaker 2>this property. It was about a mile from here. And
<v Speaker 2>this siding is actually logged in another Bigfoot organization's database.
<v Speaker 2>And this siding was actually, oddly enough, by my wife,
<v Speaker 2>who was a skeptic at the time, so it's a
<v Speaker 2>class A siding. This siding happened approximately around on say
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen September, maybe October ish twenty fourteen, about a
<v Speaker 2>mile from my property, so it was around two thirty three.
<v Speaker 2>Now this has been eleven years ago or so you'll
<v Speaker 2>have to kind of work with me on the times here,
<v Speaker 2>But somewhere around in that time range two thirty three
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. We were actually returning home me her
<v Speaker 2>and our two children. We had been at a family
<v Speaker 2>member's house watching a football game at the time. Anyhow,
<v Speaker 2>I was actually asleep in the passenger seat. So we
<v Speaker 2>were approaching a intersection of four way. There are some
<v Speaker 2>chicken houses on each side. She says. What she saw
<v Speaker 2>was actually it was on our side of the road,
<v Speaker 2>the same side of the road, traveling in the same direction,
<v Speaker 2>so it's back would have been to her. She said,
<v Speaker 2>when the lights hit this thing, that fur kind of shined.
<v Speaker 2>She could see the bottoms of the feet were white.
<v Speaker 2>She said that the she described it as like a
<v Speaker 2>Darth Vader, like looking at the back of Darth Vader,
<v Speaker 2>very black, no shoulders. Really, if if you can imagine,
<v Speaker 2>you know what Darth Vader's helmet looks like, yeah, it
<v Speaker 2>would be. That's what how she described it. So she said, well,
<v Speaker 2>we get to the four way and she's it's hitting me,
<v Speaker 2>saying wake up, wake up, you know, just frantic describing
<v Speaker 2>to me what she had seen. So I actually took
<v Speaker 2>them home and returned back to the spot but didn't
<v Speaker 2>see anything, and got in touch with this organization and
<v Speaker 2>they actually classified it as a Class A on there.
<v Speaker 2>It's on there. If you want to go check that out,
<v Speaker 2>it would be I could tell you the county. I'd
<v Speaker 2>rather tell you that off record.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fine. I find that very interesting about the
<v Speaker 1>description of the creature as far as it looking like
<v Speaker 1>Darth Vader, and whenever I had one of my big
<v Speaker 1>Foot encounters, I tried to describe it the best I could,
<v Speaker 1>and like, it really reminded me of like the Punisher
<v Speaker 1>Skull or like I don't know, like Jason's mask, and
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it just had like that that look
<v Speaker 1>to it. But yeah, Darth Vader, that's very alien looking
<v Speaker 1>and I could see how it resembles this creature, right.
<v Speaker 2>And what's what's worthy of noting, I would say, now,
<v Speaker 2>she would she never saw a face. Now, this this
<v Speaker 2>creature was traveling away from us, and she did. She
<v Speaker 2>noticed that the just the way the furs shined and
<v Speaker 2>the bottoms of the feed, like she said, it could
<v Speaker 2>clearly tell it was barefoot. But the bottoms of the
<v Speaker 2>feed were like almost white. She said. And now, mind you,
<v Speaker 2>this is a very rural area. This is two thirty
<v Speaker 2>three in the morning. It was super foggy. That's one
<v Speaker 2>thing we remembered. It was super foggy that morning.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes me wonder what the creature was doing
<v Speaker 1>off the side of the road. Do you think it
<v Speaker 1>was hunting? Crossing the roaad.
<v Speaker 2>I think he was see what they'll do. There's several
<v Speaker 2>chicken houses right there, and they'll pile the chicken feed
<v Speaker 2>out there, and he may have been just making an
<v Speaker 2>easy opportunity of grabbing some of that feed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that very well could be. Is there a waterway
<v Speaker 1>near that area?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, Oh yes, plenty, there's actually it runs I
<v Speaker 2>forget the exact river that there's tributaries are a little
<v Speaker 2>what they call branches down here, creeks disable that run
<v Speaker 2>right through here. It's a lot of swampland not far
<v Speaker 2>from there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And Alabama is known for its waterways. There's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of beautiful waterfalls there, and I believe part
<v Speaker 1>of it's like the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. I
<v Speaker 1>think it's called Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we've got I mean, there's just a ton
<v Speaker 2>of creeks and little waterways down here, but just a
<v Speaker 2>lot of swamps in this part of the part of Alabama.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're in southern Alabama. Okay, So this creature
<v Speaker 1>was possibly looking for its next meal following the waterways,
<v Speaker 1>and your wife encountered it. How did this make her feel?
<v Speaker 1>You said that she was pretty frantic. Did it really
<v Speaker 1>disturb her after this sating?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it did a good bit. Yeah, she was.
<v Speaker 2>She actually we were about thirty yards from a four
<v Speaker 2>way stop, and when we got to this four way
<v Speaker 2>she was had put the car in park and was
<v Speaker 2>you know, it hit me trying to waken me up
<v Speaker 2>and just kind of freaking out. You know, she said,
<v Speaker 2>had had I been awake and could have stuck my
<v Speaker 2>arm out the window, I almost could have touched this
<v Speaker 2>this thing.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Was it on her side or your side?
<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, it would have been on my side.
<v Speaker 2>On the passenger.
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, that makes sense. So, yeah, you would have
<v Speaker 1>had a clear view of this creature if you would
<v Speaker 1>have been awake.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm still pretty upset with myself for not being
<v Speaker 2>awake at that moment. But so yeah, that was kind
<v Speaker 2>of the That was kind of the start of you know,
<v Speaker 2>oddly enough, it didn't even happen on our property.
<v Speaker 1>But pretty close though. Do you think it was moving
<v Speaker 1>due to the fog density?
<v Speaker 2>I think so it thought, you know, it thought it's
<v Speaker 2>this foggy and three am. How many people because there's
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of traffic out here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's already spooky whenever it's foggy out but when
<v Speaker 1>you see a creature like this, it makes it a
<v Speaker 1>lot more creepier. Right, Okay, so what unfolded after this encounter?
<v Speaker 1>That happened a mile away from your family's property.
<v Speaker 2>So basically that happened, and then you know, through the
<v Speaker 2>through the years here and there, we would I've heard knocks,
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of vocalizations here. They're not these. I
<v Speaker 2>can count on one hand the times I've heard them vocalized. Now,
<v Speaker 2>what they will do is you will hear when Cody's
<v Speaker 2>will sound off before the code start, you will hear
<v Speaker 2>one of them that's not a You can clearly tell
<v Speaker 2>it's not a cody. And we would hear you know,
<v Speaker 2>I would be out at night out here, have a
<v Speaker 2>fire going, and when hear that, or would hear knocks.
<v Speaker 2>Now they knock a lot around here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is very interesting. And I've noticed that my elf,
<v Speaker 1>that one of these creatures will make a vocalization and
<v Speaker 1>then it's followed up with coyote calls. And I've put
<v Speaker 1>that to the test as well. We've done bigfoot vocalizations
<v Speaker 1>in remote areas. I mean, clearly not a coyote. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what they call it, the bobo call or
<v Speaker 1>the ohio howse and it just sounds like a giant
<v Speaker 1>caveman or tarzan hollering. And that's the vocalization we do,
<v Speaker 1>and it would trigger them. I mean, we've even done
<v Speaker 1>wooden knocks and it triggers the coyotes or ambulance sirens.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I do believe that the sasquatch will vocalize
<v Speaker 1>and the coyotes answer for some reason. I guess it
<v Speaker 1>just triggers them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not sure on that exactly what the correlation
<v Speaker 2>is there but it does happen, and the coyotes do
<v Speaker 2>respond to I have something that I do and I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even knock on wood to the way I
<v Speaker 2>will get them to respond. I will do a little
<v Speaker 2>something different. It it imitates a nog but it's not.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not out here. I don't want exactly take a
<v Speaker 2>piece of wood and knock against a tree.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. So what were you doing when you
<v Speaker 1>heard these wood knocks? Were you just like on your
<v Speaker 1>back porch or your backyard, or were you in the
<v Speaker 1>woods doing something like hunting? Can you describe that a
<v Speaker 1>little more?
<v Speaker 2>Just out on the property. So, the way this property
<v Speaker 2>is set up, there's approximately twenty acres here or so
<v Speaker 2>so about there's probably six or eight acres that is
<v Speaker 2>just open field, and then on each side are tree
<v Speaker 2>lines that's part of the property. On the let's see,
<v Speaker 2>it would be the south end, there's about ten acres
<v Speaker 2>of woods there and that's mainly what's to note there
<v Speaker 2>is on the back side of my property there's a
<v Speaker 2>military installation. And I believe you know, when I've heard
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of this on coming from there, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking that there they will go over there and stay.
<v Speaker 2>I guess they feel more protected. But yeah, mainly just
<v Speaker 2>would be out here making some noises. I have a
<v Speaker 2>few things that I do would would get them to
<v Speaker 2>kind of answer back. And it was always mainly knocks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting, And I think that they're on the
<v Speaker 1>military property because it's probably restricted. It's in a dense
<v Speaker 1>forested area and it's just a perfect spot for them
<v Speaker 1>to be.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we would have the occasional, you know, the knocks,
<v Speaker 2>and it was never never, it would just be you know,
<v Speaker 2>I would kind of shrug it off and say, you know,
<v Speaker 2>maybe the next major thing that happened. I was out
<v Speaker 2>one night trying to invoke a little bit of activity
<v Speaker 2>out here doing some what I call well what I
<v Speaker 2>do is I mouth pop. I don't know if you've
<v Speaker 2>ever seen anybody to do that. Yeah, I have, and
<v Speaker 2>that seems to bring them in. Well, I had one
<v Speaker 2>started to knock back coming. It sounded like he was
<v Speaker 2>coming from that general direction of where the military installation
<v Speaker 2>is back here on the south end of the property.
<v Speaker 2>So I went inside actually and got my wife and
<v Speaker 2>she came out and she started to hear the NOTx too,
<v Speaker 2>So he moved from where he came in on the
<v Speaker 2>south end, at the top end of the south property.
<v Speaker 2>You could clearly hear walking through the woods. He comes down.
<v Speaker 2>Probably you could hear the walking for about sixty eighty
<v Speaker 2>yards he comes walking down. So we approached the woodline
<v Speaker 2>and started moving up into the open field, moving up.
<v Speaker 2>So he starts whatever this was, I say, he but
<v Speaker 2>what whatever this was starts paralleling us in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>And when we would stop, it would stop, we would
<v Speaker 2>start walking. It would start walking clearly two feet you know,
<v Speaker 2>you kind of hear that it was bipedal, it was
<v Speaker 2>not four legs. So it does this. It parallels us
<v Speaker 2>for about back up about sixty eighty yards, and we
<v Speaker 2>get to where there's kind of an opening where I'd
<v Speaker 2>had some trails going up into this particular part of
<v Speaker 2>the property, and off to the right, I could hear
<v Speaker 2>what sounded like something else moving, So I'm thinking of
<v Speaker 2>maybe another one over there. But anyhow, I had a
<v Speaker 2>bat at a baseball bat, and I kind of tap
<v Speaker 2>their head a tree, you know, and this thing, whatever
<v Speaker 2>this was, Man, when I tell you it cut loose,
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking like it built up all the area it
<v Speaker 2>had in its lungs and it was blowing almost every
<v Speaker 2>a tree came down like it went off, and I
<v Speaker 2>told my wife, I was like, yeah, and I didn't
<v Speaker 2>feel especially with her being there, and we kind of
<v Speaker 2>got out of there. But it was it was definitely
<v Speaker 2>something massive and it was not it was not retreating.
<v Speaker 2>It was you know, almost like a maybe a bluff charge,
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking is kind of what this was.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does sound like it. It was being extremely territorial.
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts about this creature following you out
<v Speaker 1>of the area and how long did it last?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think they were they were on this property
<v Speaker 2>before we were even aware that they were here. They
<v Speaker 2>just weren't more or less. Maybe they had been watching maybe,
<v Speaker 2>but they weren't really interacting, you know, they were doing
<v Speaker 2>just doing their thing. So yeah, that would have been
<v Speaker 2>when that had and that maybe and have been a
<v Speaker 2>year or two after, and then you know, through the
<v Speaker 2>years we would still kind of hear things. I found
<v Speaker 2>a the next thing, I found a print, and this
<v Speaker 2>would have been maybe twenty This is fast forward in
<v Speaker 2>a few years. I think maybe twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
<v Speaker 2>I found a This is middle of probably around February
<v Speaker 2>so it's pretty pretty cold here. Again, on the south
<v Speaker 2>end of the property, there was had been raining and
<v Speaker 2>there was a mud track or a mud mud kind
<v Speaker 2>of a mud puddle pit, whatever you want to say.
<v Speaker 2>There was a footprint there and this print was probably
<v Speaker 2>I've got I cast it actually, but it wasn't. It
<v Speaker 2>was not a huge print. It was It's probably around
<v Speaker 2>the size of my foot. I think I wear maybe
<v Speaker 2>like a size nine, so it's not overly huge. But
<v Speaker 2>it was a bare foot footprint, not a shoe print.
<v Speaker 2>And mind you, this is February March in Alabama. It's
<v Speaker 2>not you know, it's not warm, it's pretty chilly. So
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, who's out here walking around barefoot down here,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in in this uh in the woods down here?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is strange. Do you have a photo of
<v Speaker 1>the cast or could you possibly take one and send
<v Speaker 1>it over to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I've got the I've got the cast actually
<v Speaker 2>sitting on my fireplace mental and I've got I've got
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm kind of getting ahead of myself, but
<v Speaker 2>I do have. I've got some photos and some recordings
<v Speaker 2>I want to send over to you.
<v Speaker 1>That would be absolutely amazing. So before we move on.
<v Speaker 1>I want you to describe the activity. Can you can
<v Speaker 1>we talk about that again? This thing vocalized and a
<v Speaker 1>tree went down. Can you run me through that again.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just want to get as much detail
<v Speaker 1>as possible.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So when I so when I hit the tree,
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of gave a thump on that tree
<v Speaker 2>with that baseball bat. Initially, you know, it wasn't really
<v Speaker 2>doing anything besides paralleling us. And I could hear, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the footsteps and we come to this clear cut and
<v Speaker 2>it stopped as we stopped. So when I hit that tree,
<v Speaker 2>it was like if I had to describe, I would say,
<v Speaker 2>like almost like a bull in there, man, like the
<v Speaker 2>biggest bull that you could think of, and it was
<v Speaker 2>just turning in there and was not growling. It was
<v Speaker 2>like that. And then then trees came down, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>we clearly heard trees crashing down in there.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's incredible. And I've had similar experiences myself. So
<v Speaker 1>you would knocked and this thing like it was paralleling you,
<v Speaker 1>and then you would knock to see if it was
<v Speaker 1>a sasquatch and it vocalized and you compared it to
<v Speaker 1>like a bull. I mean, what what exactly it sound like.
<v Speaker 1>Was it just like a like you know when you
<v Speaker 1>hear a bull bellowing at nighttime? Was it like that
<v Speaker 1>or was.
<v Speaker 2>It well, well, when I say when I say a bull, now.
<v Speaker 1>Like the size of them, that's just the size.
<v Speaker 2>Of whatever I was hearing, you know, was was moving
<v Speaker 2>in there and now the vocals it was more or
<v Speaker 2>less like pushing air out on it like it was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like something like that, like breathing super super heavy.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard that before. I had a sighting with
<v Speaker 1>the sasquatch, and basically I was just walking back to
<v Speaker 1>my house and I thought I heard something. Looked over
<v Speaker 1>to my left. I didn't see anything, so I took
<v Speaker 1>a few more steps and then I heard it again.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of sounded like a squirrel, a squirrel or
<v Speaker 1>like a robin, like you know, messing around on the
<v Speaker 1>forest floor, and so it didn't sound very big. And
<v Speaker 1>I heard it again. I looked over and this creature
<v Speaker 1>was crouched down. He stood up, and he walked off,
<v Speaker 1>just like the Patterson Gimblin film, except this thing was
<v Speaker 1>jet black. It was anywhere from I would say, like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, six and a half to eight half
<v Speaker 1>feet tall, and it just walked off. It didn't run.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of looked over its shoulder at me a
<v Speaker 1>few times, and man, it was creepy. And yeah, he
<v Speaker 1>disappeared into the cedar trees and then I couldn't see
<v Speaker 1>him anymore, but I pursued him. I went back to
<v Speaker 1>my house through the yard and kind of try to
<v Speaker 1>cut him off because I know he was heading down
<v Speaker 1>towards the creek bottom. And when I got back in
<v Speaker 1>the woods, I couldn't see him, but I know the
<v Speaker 1>direction that he went. And then I just stood there
<v Speaker 1>and listened and I could hear him, and he was
<v Speaker 1>like and it sounded like a bull. It wasn't like
<v Speaker 1>a white tailed deer that's blowing trying to clear its
<v Speaker 1>nose out, like this was that thing. And I know
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're talking about. I always described it like
<v Speaker 1>a horse, like how big their lungs are when they
<v Speaker 1>breathe out, just like yes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And another thing to note there was
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure it sounded like there was another individual
<v Speaker 2>alult the right. And I don't know if this thing
<v Speaker 2>was trying to distract us or if it was maybe
<v Speaker 2>a juvenile over there or what. But it was kind
<v Speaker 2>of you know, letting us know, hey, that was that
<v Speaker 2>was any of my kind of thinking on that anyway,
<v Speaker 2>but there was clearly thinking another one over to the
<v Speaker 2>to our right.
<v Speaker 1>How big were the trees that they pushed down? Were
<v Speaker 1>they smaller in diameter or were these like full sized trees?
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I could not. I couldn't. I went
<v Speaker 2>in there and couldn't. Really. I mean, this is you
<v Speaker 2>have to understand. These are hard woods here, and so
<v Speaker 2>there are there are there are natural causes of trees
<v Speaker 2>to fall, and there will be you know, trees down.
<v Speaker 2>These are just really thick woods here, what we call hardwoods.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know for sure, so I can't you
<v Speaker 2>see what I'm saying. I can't say for sure which
<v Speaker 2>tree may have been what it pushed down or not.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you didn't see it. But like, did it sound
<v Speaker 1>like they were huge trees or were they like smaller trees?
<v Speaker 2>I would say, right, yeah, well I would say they
<v Speaker 2>were pretty good decent size. I have I actually have
<v Speaker 2>autobill recordings of trees being pushed down here.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, very cool. Yeah, this does sound like a mail
<v Speaker 1>and possibly there were other ones around. Maybe you're being
<v Speaker 1>followed by like two or three of them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, that's so. Yeah, yep, pretty
<v Speaker 2>gnarly stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I'm sure your mind was absolutely blown.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, more so being that I had my wife with me,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I was That's why I kind of
<v Speaker 2>called it off. And so it's just because we were good.
<v Speaker 2>You know. At this point, we were probably one hundred
<v Speaker 2>yards maybe a little over one hundred yards from the house.
<v Speaker 1>So what time of day was this?
<v Speaker 2>This would have been probably around twelve thirty one am, okay,
<v Speaker 2>somewhere in that time frame.
<v Speaker 1>And what time of year was this?
<v Speaker 2>In September, right, it would have been this particular I
<v Speaker 2>don't don't somewhere around in there generally, and I'll tell
<v Speaker 2>you this, it would have been between September and February March,
<v Speaker 2>because that's when the proper that's when the activity around
<v Speaker 2>here ants up. It's pretty quiet during the spring and
<v Speaker 2>summer and fall and winter they get ams up here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. Do you think it had anything to
<v Speaker 1>do with your wife being present in the area, Maybe
<v Speaker 1>her scent like triggered.
<v Speaker 2>Them possibly possibly?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, so what happened after.
<v Speaker 2>This, So twenty twenty twenty one is when stuff kind
<v Speaker 2>of exploded around here, and when they really started kind
<v Speaker 2>of presenting their self, you know, as far as just
<v Speaker 2>when I would come out, they would, I mean just
<v Speaker 2>they were almost like waiting, you know. I had started
<v Speaker 2>doing some things to get to invoke some activity, and
<v Speaker 2>they were sometimes during those couple of years, they were
<v Speaker 2>almost waiting out here nally to respond back. Wood knocks,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, a lot of eye shine,
<v Speaker 2>things like that, tree structures. I've got some photos of
<v Speaker 2>a particular incident we can kind of dive into. I
<v Speaker 2>believe this was at the end of twenty twenty. So
<v Speaker 2>I was out on the property doing some knocks to
<v Speaker 2>get some activity, and on the south end of the
<v Speaker 2>property where the in the woodline, you know, they would
<v Speaker 2>come up and would get eye shine. What's really, what's
<v Speaker 2>really you know, what I was seeing was generally it
<v Speaker 2>would be it look like one eye and I always
<v Speaker 2>could never figure that out. And and I'm like, I'm
<v Speaker 2>pretty certain that this is eye shine, but why usually
<v Speaker 2>I'm only seeing one eye? And I kind of got
<v Speaker 2>to thinking, I'm thinking that know, it finally dawned on
<v Speaker 2>me that these things are probably one of maybe keeping
<v Speaker 2>one eye behind the trees or maybe covering them with
<v Speaker 2>a hand or something like that. But it was generally
<v Speaker 2>just like seeing one eye for the most part. Really weird.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, on the south end of the property, it
<v Speaker 2>was about let's see, I'm actually looking at it right now.
<v Speaker 2>It was probably sixty yards down there from where I
<v Speaker 2>was at with my campfire, and I was getting some
<v Speaker 2>eye shine, so I started to approach down there. So
<v Speaker 2>I get within twenty yards and the eye shine had
<v Speaker 2>disappeared by this point, but I could clearly hear something
<v Speaker 2>moving away from me. Now, in this particular part of
<v Speaker 2>the property, we used to have a cabin there, so
<v Speaker 2>it was cleared out. The cabin was no longer there.
<v Speaker 2>But what's interesting to note here is there were some
<v Speaker 2>building materials there, particularly some sheet metal, some old sheet
<v Speaker 2>metal a stack. So this sheet metal, though, had been
<v Speaker 2>there for a couple of years. This kind of falls
<v Speaker 2>into the story here. So anyway, something steps on this
<v Speaker 2>sheet metal and I hear the creak of the shit,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, ah, I know what that is. You know,
<v Speaker 2>something just stepped on that metal. Was interesting though when
<v Speaker 2>it did, it stopped like it had an old shi
<v Speaker 2>t moment like oops. Now. What's interesting also with that
<v Speaker 2>is that sheet metal had been sitting there for a
<v Speaker 2>year or two, so it was covered in foliage, leaves
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, so it would not have been visible.
<v Speaker 2>So whatever this was did not know that that was there.
<v Speaker 2>But when it stepped on it, it said it was
<v Speaker 2>almost like oops, because there was it stopped and there
<v Speaker 2>was no footfall in the leaves or anything else. It
<v Speaker 2>just came to a halt.
<v Speaker 1>That's creepy for sure. So you know this thing was
<v Speaker 1>walking around the property and makes you wonder because a
<v Speaker 1>lot of times if you lift up the sheet metal,
<v Speaker 1>there's like snakes or bugs underneath it. But I don't
<v Speaker 1>know about the wintertime. Maybe I don't know. It just
<v Speaker 1>sounds like it accidentally stepped on it, made a sound
<v Speaker 1>and realized that, like, oh crap.
<v Speaker 2>Ron, I just made myself more known than I than
<v Speaker 2>I'm into.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, was the sheet metal bent or dented? Did you
<v Speaker 1>notice anything like that?
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even notice.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you had an excellent theory about why you
<v Speaker 1>were only seeing one eye shining. I think that could
<v Speaker 1>possibly be at these things are hiding behind a tree
<v Speaker 1>and they're peeking out and you only see one eye.
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I've interviewed people in the past.
<v Speaker 1>A guy said that he kept seeing red eyes in
<v Speaker 1>the woods, and he said, whatever it was, it was big,
<v Speaker 1>and it kept showing up, and one day he took
<v Speaker 1>his twenty two and shot one of the eyes, and
<v Speaker 1>he said it came back again, but this time it
<v Speaker 1>only had one eye. Only one eye was shining. So
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's missing an eye. But I think most likely
<v Speaker 1>you were probably right about this thing peeking out behind
<v Speaker 1>a tree.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe so, because I have. I mean, i've
<v Speaker 2>seen two eyes before. I've seen eye shine as far
<v Speaker 2>as that goes, I've never red eyes. I've seen the
<v Speaker 2>ones I've seen. I've seen a bluish looking color one
<v Speaker 2>night and then also like a the goldest yellow that
<v Speaker 2>you've ever ever seen. I've seen that eye shine, both eyes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I actually had that particular eye shine within about fifteen
<v Speaker 2>to twenty yards from me.
<v Speaker 1>How high off the ground was the eye shine I measured.
<v Speaker 2>And it was in the seven and a half to
<v Speaker 2>eight foot range. This is where the now that would be.
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was about seven and a half eight
<v Speaker 2>foot to where the eyes were, so you would have
<v Speaker 2>to add a little bit more as far as you
<v Speaker 2>know the rest of the build there.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, for sure. And I mean even if it
<v Speaker 1>was only three or four feet off the ground, that
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it's not one of them, because they can
<v Speaker 1>be on the ground like on all fours.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I would tell people, you know, if you're
<v Speaker 2>if you're into this, and a lot of times, if
<v Speaker 2>you think you have seen something, or if you're recording
<v Speaker 2>or anything, look low, look low, because they they have
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll drop down a lot. They'll they'll go down,
<v Speaker 2>be more on all fours more than people realize.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, So what happened after the eye shine
<v Speaker 1>incident and this thank stepping on the sheet metal.
<v Speaker 3>Just just a lot of knocks, let's see, just and
<v Speaker 3>to be to be honest.
<v Speaker 2>With you, they they never I've never laid eyes on
<v Speaker 2>one full on actually laying eyes on one. Outside of
<v Speaker 2>photos that I have. They would approach me pretty close,
<v Speaker 2>but always more or less retreat when I would, you know,
<v Speaker 2>go go start to approach.
<v Speaker 1>Them, you know, yeah, absolutely, And the fact that your
<v Speaker 1>wife had this encounter just a mile away, it's probably
<v Speaker 1>the same clan of creatures? How did this make her
<v Speaker 1>feel when you guys got paralleled out of there and
<v Speaker 1>this thing vocalized and pushed down trees?
<v Speaker 2>She she's more or less a believer now or a knower.
<v Speaker 2>And I won't say believer. She's an over now as well.
<v Speaker 2>That was I mean, clearly, anybody you know that, any
<v Speaker 2>skeptic that would have been there would have I think,
<v Speaker 2>would have had a little bit of change of heart
<v Speaker 2>as far as the same clan goes. That's funny you
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that I actually did some interviews with some people.
<v Speaker 2>I was on another podcast of several years ago, and
<v Speaker 2>someone reached out to me off of that podcast, and
<v Speaker 2>lo and behold, it was somebody about five minutes from
<v Speaker 2>me that was having some some things happened.
<v Speaker 1>Really, what do they say, like, what was going on?
<v Speaker 2>Actually, this was a very credible, credible guy. He was
<v Speaker 2>actually hunting on some property. This is five minutes to myself.
<v Speaker 2>He was hunting on his property and was actually in
<v Speaker 2>a gilly suit, and I forget exactly the tipe of hunting.
<v Speaker 2>I want to say he was turkey hunting, but was
<v Speaker 2>actually laid down on the property in a gilly suit
<v Speaker 2>and off the Creek Bank. He had two individuals come
<v Speaker 2>out and actually he thought at first that it was
<v Speaker 2>their hunters in gilly suits, and he actually said he
<v Speaker 2>flipped his gilly suit up and started hollering at them,
<v Speaker 2>and they immediately hit the trees, duck behind the trees
<v Speaker 2>and were kind of peeking out.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's incredible. And I've often wondered how the gilly
<v Speaker 1>suit would work when you're out there with these creatures,
<v Speaker 1>and I think that it's a very good tool to
<v Speaker 1>use if you're trying to get close to them.
<v Speaker 2>I think so. But at the same token, I would say,
<v Speaker 2>if you are in that gilly suit and they and
<v Speaker 2>he happened to surprise one, do you want to be
<v Speaker 2>on that end? I don't know that because I actually
<v Speaker 2>have a gilly suit and consider doing that at one point.
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I was thinking, do you
<v Speaker 2>want to be on that end when you surprise one
<v Speaker 2>in or that close? I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've thought about that too, and it just depends
<v Speaker 1>on how close you want to get. And I get
<v Speaker 1>a lot of reports from deer hunters and turkey hunters,
<v Speaker 1>especially turkey hunters, they seem to get really close, so
<v Speaker 1>they fool these creatures because you don't have to wear orange.
<v Speaker 1>You definitely have to cameo up and you have to
<v Speaker 1>hold still. So it makes sense, and that's probably what
<v Speaker 1>that guy was doing. He was out there turkey hunting.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he did a few calls and these creatures came in.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then he had you know, some other activity
<v Speaker 2>where he would they had heard things crashing through the woods,
<v Speaker 2>you know. He said he was on his side side
<v Speaker 2>at one point, I think, and heard something crashing through
<v Speaker 2>the woods and kind of made a blowing noise, you know,
<v Speaker 2>at him. There were some other people just not far
<v Speaker 2>from him. Also that we're having some things happen. They
<v Speaker 2>actually had a hunt lease that they had leased out
<v Speaker 2>and kind of got run off of that hunting lease
<v Speaker 2>by something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and all this is pretty close to your property.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe five minutes on the back side of my property.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the same area, probably the same clan.
<v Speaker 2>Probably, I'm thinking.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Okay, so you might see one in the future,
<v Speaker 1>especially if you keep looking around and now that you're
<v Speaker 1>aware of them being in the area, I'm sure you'll
<v Speaker 1>find more things like structures and strange oddities happening around you.
<v Speaker 2>Oddly enough, miguil. Let me tell you the activity here
<v Speaker 2>has dropped off twenty twenty. Like I said twenty twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, they were wide open here and actually
<v Speaker 2>I kind of more or less got out of doing
<v Speaker 2>as much as I was with it, because it can,
<v Speaker 2>really it can consume you if you're not careful with this.
<v Speaker 2>So I kind of got out of it and backed
<v Speaker 2>off of doing what I was doing. And here recently
<v Speaker 2>in the last year, maybe I've kind of come out
<v Speaker 2>and tried to invoke a little activity, but thinking maybe
<v Speaker 2>I've seen some eyes shine here and there, but it's
<v Speaker 2>nothing like it was during those years.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they were highly active on the property and
<v Speaker 1>probably living around the land.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And another thing I think to note with that,
<v Speaker 2>maybe my deer population when we first moved out here
<v Speaker 2>was like I would have deer at the back door,
<v Speaker 2>the front door, just I mean, just a pretty good
<v Speaker 2>amount of deer. And I noticed, you know, over the
<v Speaker 2>years the deer population started to dwindle. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if that maybe you know, if they had used up
<v Speaker 2>these resources, or if they you know, how they move,
<v Speaker 2>if they're migrating, or you know, who knows, But I
<v Speaker 2>do notice that maybe a drop or a lot of
<v Speaker 2>drop in the activity.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, I've noticed the same thing on my land.
<v Speaker 1>It just seemed like there was a bunch of deer,
<v Speaker 1>then there was sasquatch activity, and then there was hardly
<v Speaker 1>any deer. And I've noticed that with a property down
<v Speaker 1>south in Missouri that I was investigating. I called it
<v Speaker 1>the Killing Fields. When I first went there, that place
<v Speaker 1>was covered in deer. I mean it was absolutely covered,
<v Speaker 1>and throughout the years there's just less and less and
<v Speaker 1>less deer there.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yep, that's exactly what happened here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes you wonder. I think that you got
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good shot at documenting more things on the property.
<v Speaker 1>They will come back from what I've noticed. It may
<v Speaker 1>take five years or so, but they will eventually come back.
<v Speaker 1>I think so too.
<v Speaker 2>Oddly enough, last about one o'clock this morning. I don't
<v Speaker 2>as far as the correlation between the orbs and the
<v Speaker 2>UFOs and the sasquatch go, I don't know for sure
<v Speaker 2>if there was any there, but I did. I had
<v Speaker 2>what we're kind of like orbs up on the north
<v Speaker 2>end of my property would come up in and out
<v Speaker 2>of the trees. Just last night or early this morning,
<v Speaker 2>I was noticing I was out here actually doing some
<v Speaker 2>trying to get some activity, and had these orbs. I'm
<v Speaker 2>guessing that's maybe what they were.
<v Speaker 1>What do they look like like? What color were they were?
<v Speaker 1>What size like?
<v Speaker 2>Red? Reddish orange? Probably now from where I was, I
<v Speaker 2>was just off of my back porch, so they were
<v Speaker 2>probably a good one hundred and forty yards up from
<v Speaker 2>me and would float seemed like they would float down
<v Speaker 2>into the tree line. It would be a couple of
<v Speaker 2>minutes and they would pop back up and they would
<v Speaker 2>more or less like dart around, float around, and then
<v Speaker 2>go it and disappear. I'm guessing, like go back down
<v Speaker 2>into the tree line.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, it sounds like you're still having bigfoot activity,
<v Speaker 1>because I've noticed a correlation with the orbs and the
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot activity. I mean, maybe it has something to do
<v Speaker 1>with UFOs, but I have noticed that alongside with cryptid animals.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I had I'm kind of hesitant to even
<v Speaker 2>ever even tell anybody about this. I had something happen.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it was very odd, to say the least.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, definitely let's talk about it. I feel like
<v Speaker 1>it's important and I typically asked my guests if they've
<v Speaker 1>ever had any UFO, alien or paranormal experiences, so you
<v Speaker 1>won't be judged here.
<v Speaker 2>Well, So I was in a particular part. Now, this
<v Speaker 2>is not that I was on the north end of
<v Speaker 2>the property there in the other woodline I'm about. I
<v Speaker 2>was probably fifty yards into the woods, mainly where I
<v Speaker 2>would find a bulk of a lot of the structures.
<v Speaker 2>So I thought what I saw was are you familiar
<v Speaker 2>with the Predator movies?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I am, okay, So do you know when it would
<v Speaker 2>kind of do the cloaking thing?
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.
<v Speaker 2>So I thought what I saw was a small something
<v Speaker 2>small cloak was cloaked in that kind of like that
<v Speaker 2>jump off of something something else that was kind of
<v Speaker 2>in the same cloak form jump off and navigate up
<v Speaker 2>a tree.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is strange, and I've heard that a lot
<v Speaker 1>from people who are experiencing bigfoot that activity. They talk
<v Speaker 1>about this being that kind of looks like the preator
<v Speaker 1>predator and it's kind of like in liquid form or
<v Speaker 1>see through. Is that kind of how it was?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's the only thing that came to mind was
<v Speaker 2>in the Predator movies that that cloaking that it would
<v Speaker 2>do where you could you couldn't see it, but you
<v Speaker 2>could see.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's scary to think about. And I've had experiences
<v Speaker 1>where these things seemed to be invisible. There was a
<v Speaker 1>property where a guy was encountering bigfoot. He claimed that
<v Speaker 1>they were coming up to his house. And I did
<v Speaker 1>research out there and there were wood knocking and vocalizing,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we talked about this earlier, about the
<v Speaker 1>coyotes going off, and it was that whole situation. But
<v Speaker 1>that next morning, I think it was like ten am
<v Speaker 1>eleven am, and this was in the wintertime, like February.
<v Speaker 1>You could see all the way down the haller and
<v Speaker 1>it was a sunny day, and I mean you could
<v Speaker 1>see really far in the woods, but just like twenty
<v Speaker 1>thirty yards into the woods away from the cabin. I'm
<v Speaker 1>standing out there in the yard looking into the woods
<v Speaker 1>and you can hear it just sounds like a bipedal
<v Speaker 1>lumberjack walking through the woods just and I'm looking. I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 1>I don't even see a squirrel. There's no deer, nothing.
<v Speaker 1>You can see all the way down that haller and
<v Speaker 1>it's right there. And it happened like two different times,
<v Speaker 1>and another time, I was in a completely different section
<v Speaker 1>of Missouri and the Mark Twain National Forest with the
<v Speaker 1>police officer, and we went down to an area where
<v Speaker 1>he had his bigfoot encounters at and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>I hear something to my right. We're walking down a
<v Speaker 1>Forest Service trail in the Mark Twain Forest, and I
<v Speaker 1>hear that same sound. It's paralleling us in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of the day. And before I can even say anything
<v Speaker 1>to him, I look back over my shoulder to him,
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, there's something following us, like he already
<v Speaker 1>heard it too, so he heard it as well. But
<v Speaker 1>we both looked. I mean, bright sunny day, wintertime and
<v Speaker 1>you can't see anything. But I mean, I want to
<v Speaker 1>say that the people that talk about cloaking are just
<v Speaker 1>making that up, but it seems to be what's actually
<v Speaker 1>happening in the forest.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, you know that's I never even really
<v Speaker 2>spoke to anybody about that. But I could clearly see, uh.
<v Speaker 2>I could see the when it navigated this smaller one
<v Speaker 2>navigated up the tree, the lamb shaking. I mean it was.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, that's incredible. And you know, a lot of
<v Speaker 1>people say there's nothing supernatural about these things and they're
<v Speaker 1>just an unknown primate. They've probably probably been here thousands
<v Speaker 1>of years before us, and you know, that may be true,
<v Speaker 1>but there definitely is a supernatural side to it, and
<v Speaker 1>the orbs are all too real. I mean, if somebody
<v Speaker 1>really really wants to see the orbs, I recommend that
<v Speaker 1>they go to I can't remember what it's called, the
<v Speaker 1>Dover Forest in Arkansas. I can't remember the exact area,
<v Speaker 1>but supposedly you can see the lights out there. And
<v Speaker 1>then in North Carolina there's a place called, I think
<v Speaker 1>it's called the Pisga National Forest, and you can go
<v Speaker 1>to Wiseman's Peak and if you stand on there, you
<v Speaker 1>can see the lights and they're going off NonStop. So
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely.
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to really pin down. Once you think you've
<v Speaker 2>got one thing pinned down about what these things are,
<v Speaker 2>you'll something will happen and then you're like, oh, maybe
<v Speaker 2>you know, and maybe that's not what they are. It's
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of you know, like you say, I've been
<v Speaker 2>in the woods out here and it seems as if
<v Speaker 2>something you can feel something dark behind you, and as
<v Speaker 2>soon as you turn there's nothing. I mean, it's just
<v Speaker 2>it's just odd stuff, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, it all happens when you least expect it,
<v Speaker 1>and it's always when you're not ready. But I also
<v Speaker 1>agree that this subject can definitely consume you. But I
<v Speaker 1>don't see how it wouldn't if you experience the activity.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're all looking for answers, and especially if
<v Speaker 1>it's happening around your property. I mean, all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>it's got your attention and it consumes your thoughts. But
<v Speaker 1>it can be dangerous if you just that's all you
<v Speaker 1>care about and that's all you do. And for a
<v Speaker 1>while I was kind of like that, but I had
<v Speaker 1>to like retract and just start enjoying nature. Like I
<v Speaker 1>still go out there looking for them, but it's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I want to go hiking or I want to go
<v Speaker 1>camp instead of like bigfoot, bigfoot, bigfoot. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it just kind of gets old to me just thinking
<v Speaker 1>about bigfoot NonStop.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I do think the ones that I have here
<v Speaker 2>or we have around here, I think they're the same.
<v Speaker 2>These are skunk apes as the same as the ones
<v Speaker 2>down in Florida. I think these are the same. Top.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they very well could be. And I mean maybe
<v Speaker 1>there's a difference. I'm sure there are some differences with
<v Speaker 1>the skunk ape or the swamp ape in Florida, And
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that it's like swamp land there, so maybe
<v Speaker 1>it's the same. Florida is not too far away from
<v Speaker 1>you either, so it's probably the same territory. And there
<v Speaker 1>seems to be like different types of sasquatch, but even
<v Speaker 1>within the same clans, Like let's say you have that
<v Speaker 1>clan on your property, there's probably different types of sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>in that same clan, meaning that they don't all look
<v Speaker 1>the same. You might see one that looks like Patty
<v Speaker 1>from the Patterson Gimlin footage, and then you might see
<v Speaker 1>another one that looks completely different. Maybe it looks like
<v Speaker 1>a baboon, or it looks more human, or it has
<v Speaker 1>like this large, conical shaped head.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, because that's exactly right, because some of the
<v Speaker 2>photos that I have, they're none the ones that are
<v Speaker 2>in these photos, they're not they're not all. Some of
<v Speaker 2>them are more conical shaped heads, some are roundheads just
<v Speaker 2>there and they don't have none of them have the
<v Speaker 2>exact same look.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's creepy, But from what you describe with the lights,
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like the activity is ramping up again. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I can't say for sure that is bigfoot activity, but
<v Speaker 1>from my experience and what I personally think, I believe
<v Speaker 1>that they're still around the property and maybe they're just
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, keeping their distance and I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can like kind of compare that to like
<v Speaker 1>when it's turkey season, Like you know, there's always turkeys
<v Speaker 1>out there, but they're not active, and once the spring hits,
<v Speaker 1>they're gobbling, they're strutting. All of a sudden, you're seeing
<v Speaker 1>a lot of turkeys. It doesn't mean that they weren't
<v Speaker 1>ever around. It just means they're active for some reason.
<v Speaker 1>And it could be the same way with the Sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's breeding season or they're having little ones and
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden they become very territorial. They're vocalizing,
<v Speaker 1>they're pushing over trees. They don't want you in their area.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's that's what it is.
<v Speaker 2>Yea, it possibly could be.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what do you think the Sasquatch are, Like, what
<v Speaker 1>do you think all this means? Do you think there's
<v Speaker 1>some type of portal out there? Do you think they're
<v Speaker 1>like an ancient human what are your thoughts about these creatures.
<v Speaker 2>I lean more I've always leaned more towards primate just
<v Speaker 2>because of the the traits. You know, the traits more
<v Speaker 2>or less lead to primate more than anything else in
<v Speaker 2>my opinion. But who's one hundred percent in this?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, and I feel like you're you're right.
<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of people say, dang it, they're
<v Speaker 1>not a primate, and they get super bent out of shape.
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, primates they'll bluff, charge you,
<v Speaker 1>they break limbs, they would knock, they stack rocks, they
<v Speaker 1>vocalize like primates. These things kind of look like primates.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they have a lot of qualities that are
<v Speaker 1>similar to primates. So I think they're more primate than human.
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people argue against that and say, no,
<v Speaker 1>they're a people. But I mean, I think we're related
<v Speaker 1>to primates. I think humans are considered a primate and
<v Speaker 1>they're I don't know, when you look into the eyes
<v Speaker 1>of like a gorilla, you're like, man, that's it's very manlike.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's primate.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think, in my opinion, I think when
<v Speaker 2>the truth about this does come out and we finally
<v Speaker 2>do knail down what they are. I think it's going
<v Speaker 2>to be a moment to where people are like, holy,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think it's going to be that kind
<v Speaker 2>of moment where we were missing something. We were right
<v Speaker 2>on top of what they were all along, but we
<v Speaker 2>were just missing it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, I think it'll reshape the planet. And there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that go out to the forest
<v Speaker 1>to go camping, fishing, hunting, and they go to these
<v Speaker 1>national parks to just go hiking and you know, get
<v Speaker 1>away from their hectic lives. And if it comes out
<v Speaker 1>that sasquatch exists, like what's going to change? Are they
<v Speaker 1>going to start protecting these forests all of a sudden
<v Speaker 1>they have to put signs up warning people that they're sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>People are going to be terrified. It's going to affect
<v Speaker 1>like the hunting industry, the logging industry, and people's lives
<v Speaker 1>in general, because all of a sudden, like everything we
<v Speaker 1>knew kind of got flip flopped upside down. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we're told that we came here and
<v Speaker 1>these are our origins, and all of a sudden, now
<v Speaker 1>there's sasquatch. So it's like, how do we recreate history
<v Speaker 1>to taper around this truth that cryptid creatures are out there.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yeah, I'm sitting here. I'm kind of wrecking my
<v Speaker 2>brain trying to think if there was any major thing
<v Speaker 2>that I missed that because there was so much, Like
<v Speaker 2>I say, there was so much happening around twenty twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty one. I mean, it was just, you know, notly
<v Speaker 2>I could come out here and it was nothing to
<v Speaker 2>get them amped up, and I could. I'd be out
<v Speaker 2>here to whenever, you know, three four am with them
<v Speaker 2>and just as much as activity as you wanted I could.
<v Speaker 2>It was here.
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever hear the thuds or like the thumps
<v Speaker 1>like a ground stomp. Did you ever hear that in
<v Speaker 1>the woods and just never see anything?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, on a couple occasions.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's see. I'm trying to remind you of things
<v Speaker 1>that possibly had happened. Okay, let's see. Have you ever
<v Speaker 1>been screamed at? Have they ever just screamed other than
<v Speaker 1>the vocalization that you heard whenever they pushed the trees down.
<v Speaker 2>No, that's what I say. They were never these were
<v Speaker 2>never overly vocal. I have a now I do have
<v Speaker 2>a really good hel recording that I can send over
<v Speaker 2>to you. But and then I've also heard like the
<v Speaker 2>like you mentioned in earlier that ohio hell I've got
<v Speaker 2>I had heard one of those. I didn't get that
<v Speaker 2>one recorded, but I have heard that, but never never
<v Speaker 2>a scream.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's creepy. Why do you think you were seeing
<v Speaker 1>the eye shine? What do you think their curiosity was
<v Speaker 1>based on?
<v Speaker 2>Like?
<v Speaker 1>Were they just watching you? Did they want something from
<v Speaker 1>the property? What do you think?
<v Speaker 2>I think it was curiosity a little bit, but also
<v Speaker 2>some things that I was doing out here to kind
<v Speaker 2>of get that activity, to invoke that activity. Some things
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was doing some sound blasting, a couple
<v Speaker 2>other little things, and I think it kind of more
<v Speaker 2>or less amped them, amped them up a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>I think.
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice any logging taking place when the activity
<v Speaker 1>went up?
<v Speaker 2>No? No, no logging around here.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you hunt the property?
<v Speaker 2>I will put out trail cams. I've never actually hunted it,
<v Speaker 2>but I'll put out trail cams and kind of watch
<v Speaker 2>the deer and feel them. But I've never really hunted
<v Speaker 2>this property.
<v Speaker 1>Now, Okay, do you guys have a garden?
<v Speaker 2>No?
<v Speaker 1>Any chickens?
<v Speaker 2>I have some chickens, yeah, but now, at the time,
<v Speaker 2>I'll say this, at the time that the bulk of
<v Speaker 2>this was taking place, I did not have chickens. I've
<v Speaker 2>only recently got those in the past year or so.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, do you guys have a dog that territorial that'll
<v Speaker 1>bark out in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>At the time, I had three dogs, and these these
<v Speaker 2>dogs sometimes out here during those the really active times,
<v Speaker 2>the dogs would more or less would sometimes go in
<v Speaker 2>the woods, and you know, I'd be like, what are
<v Speaker 2>they doing? You know, It's like almost like something called
<v Speaker 2>them over there. But they weren't aggressive towards anything. It
<v Speaker 2>was more or less like something had called them. You know.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear anything calling out to them, but it
<v Speaker 2>was like something had told them to come into the woods,
<v Speaker 2>and they would go in there, and I'd be like,
<v Speaker 2>what the heck, you know, But then they would come
<v Speaker 2>back out after I When I would call.
<v Speaker 1>Them, they would you know, yeah, that makes sense. And
<v Speaker 1>there's two different scenarios there. The dogs will go out
<v Speaker 1>in the woods and it's almost like they're hanging out
<v Speaker 1>with something, and they come back all happy, and you
<v Speaker 1>can tell it's just like they were hanging out with
<v Speaker 1>someone or something or the dogs will be barking into
<v Speaker 1>the woodline and they just end up going missing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The dog actually that I've got now, I was
<v Speaker 2>actually talking to my wife about this just last night.
<v Speaker 2>The dog we have now here in the past several
<v Speaker 2>months or so, she's got to where, especially at night,
<v Speaker 2>when you let her out to use the bathroom, she
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even want to go off the backsteps. She she
<v Speaker 2>will not she won't go unless, like, if I go,
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to go out there and physically take her out,
<v Speaker 2>you know, take her out to use it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so maybe it knows that something's around and it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to venture off too far.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, could be.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, can you think of anything else? Well, can you
<v Speaker 1>let's let's talk about these structures that you found. What
<v Speaker 1>did you find? Arches? Xes?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got some photos I can send over to you.
<v Speaker 2>I've got I've got one, I've got a giant X.
<v Speaker 2>I've got that, a lot of x is. I've got
<v Speaker 2>some that are really odd that are where they're suspended
<v Speaker 2>up in the trees. And as far as tree structures go,
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of people will dismiss those, but
<v Speaker 2>those to me or something, and that you have to
<v Speaker 2>be personally right upone to appreciate. Photos really don't do
<v Speaker 2>those justice. A lot of times, I think you have
<v Speaker 2>to be there and kind of see those, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And especially when you know your land, You've
<v Speaker 1>walked through there many times, and all of a sudden
<v Speaker 1>there's structures. You know, it's significant to you. But if
<v Speaker 1>you show the public, they're like, oh, yeah, that's just
<v Speaker 1>created by the wind, bad storms. That's natural. I see
<v Speaker 1>that everywhere. But I always tell people will send me
<v Speaker 1>photos of these perfect axes and arches, I want to
<v Speaker 1>see what you found, and they never do. No one's
<v Speaker 1>ever came back and said, look, there was one guy,
<v Speaker 1>but he just took pictures of like sticks on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's not even an x, that's not an arch.
<v Speaker 1>You're saying that these things are everywhere, but you can't
<v Speaker 1>find them.
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I've got some. I'll send over to you.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, that'd be really cool.
<v Speaker 2>What's interesting to note on these they were only like
<v Speaker 2>the game trails. They were right next to those as
<v Speaker 2>where the bulk of these are. I have some the
<v Speaker 2>where a like a fresh sapling or a fresh tree
<v Speaker 2>would be pulled out of the ground and stuck. This
<v Speaker 2>is not not a rotten piece of of this, not
<v Speaker 2>a rotten tree, but it's jammed back into the ground.
<v Speaker 2>It's very odd.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know what you're talking about. What do you
<v Speaker 1>think that means?
<v Speaker 2>You got me?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some type of marker.
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a marker of some some sort. But
<v Speaker 2>what I'm not sure mm hmmm. A lot of X
<v Speaker 2>is though, you know. And then I noticed sometimes when
<v Speaker 2>I would go into this certain part of the woods,
<v Speaker 2>there would be new things. They're like almost blocking blocking
<v Speaker 2>that trail. Yeah, I kind of got to where I
<v Speaker 2>tried to. I didn't go into there anymore because I
<v Speaker 2>felt like more or less they were saying, don't come here,
<v Speaker 2>don't come over here. Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like they're blocking off the trail, trying to warn
<v Speaker 1>you to stay out.
<v Speaker 2>They're right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very interesting. What are your thoughts about people
<v Speaker 1>taking one of these things out to provide a body
<v Speaker 1>for science. Do you think that's a good idea or
<v Speaker 1>a bad idea? Absolutely not, Yeah, I would agree. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>we don't need to entertain science or other people. We
<v Speaker 1>know they're out there, and there's no point in trying
<v Speaker 1>to bring in a body for someone just to cover
<v Speaker 1>it up and continue lying and saying that they don't exist.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's not something I would even entertain, because,
<v Speaker 2>like I said, especially around twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,
<v Speaker 2>if anybody had any kind of doubts, I could have
<v Speaker 2>brought you out here to this property and I could
<v Speaker 2>change your mind in about fifteen twenty minutes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's too bad, it's not happening anymore. Why do
<v Speaker 1>you think that it got so active? Like do you
<v Speaker 1>think they were just moving through the area.
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't know if it was anything to
<v Speaker 2>do with the you know, they're they're using up resources
<v Speaker 2>and moving on and then they may wait for the
<v Speaker 2>resources to kind of regenerate, you know, and then come back.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, i'd agree with that they were chasing the resources
<v Speaker 1>and it just happened to be a good place. Like
<v Speaker 1>you said, there was a lot of deer there at
<v Speaker 1>that at that time, So that's probably why they were there.
<v Speaker 2>They could be they could still be here. It is
<v Speaker 2>just as much full force as they were, and they
<v Speaker 2>just choosing not to interact with me because like I said,
<v Speaker 2>I kind of more or less stopped trying to invoke
<v Speaker 2>as much activity as I was so they could they
<v Speaker 2>could still be here, you know, just as much as
<v Speaker 2>they were. Then I'm just not out here at trying
<v Speaker 2>to get that activity like I was.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, And a lot of people say that wood
<v Speaker 1>knocking doesn't work, but it does. It just has to
<v Speaker 1>be at the right time and if they're around and
<v Speaker 1>they're active. And I know a lot of people go
<v Speaker 1>out there wooden knocking and they never get a response, but.
<v Speaker 2>I would. I was always getting them to respond when
<v Speaker 2>I would do the mouth pops. They seem to really
<v Speaker 2>respond to that.
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that is?
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've tried it out in the woods. I just
<v Speaker 1>never got a response.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's mainly how I was getting them to
<v Speaker 2>do wood knocks back.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess they liked it, and that seemed to
<v Speaker 1>be a form of communication that happened to work with
<v Speaker 1>that particular claim possibly, So yeah, yeah, Okay, is there
<v Speaker 1>anything else you can think of? Any questions for me
<v Speaker 1>before we wrap things up.
<v Speaker 2>I was actually going to say a while ago, I
<v Speaker 2>had brought somebody out one night and they were kind
<v Speaker 2>of curious, you know, I'd been telling them about what
<v Speaker 2>was going on out here, and this particular person actually
<v Speaker 2>sold their self out here. They got so scared, you know.
<v Speaker 1>At one point, really what happened.
<v Speaker 2>We had some eye shine and just a lot of knocks,
<v Speaker 2>and one actually more or less presented itself. I think
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was a juvenile, but it was came out
<v Speaker 2>of the woodline, went down on all fours and it
<v Speaker 2>was kind of looked more or less directly at us
<v Speaker 2>and dart back into the woodline. Blue. It was blue,
<v Speaker 2>blue eye shine.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty intense, and that's wild to think about that,
<v Speaker 1>you guys encountered this creature, you and your wife, and
<v Speaker 1>you're asleep, of course, but that's just how it happens.
<v Speaker 1>And then later on you guys start experiencing the activity
<v Speaker 1>at your house. Does that make you feel like possibly
<v Speaker 1>they followed you or do you think it was just
<v Speaker 1>a coincidence.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just a coincidence that this hap
<v Speaker 2>to be active around here, because, like I say, you know,
<v Speaker 2>just five minutes down the road, there's other people that
<v Speaker 2>are having the same kind of stuff, you know, so
<v Speaker 2>I think they're just they were moving all through this area.
<v Speaker 2>Possibly maybe the same plan.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very well, could be. And I do feel like
<v Speaker 1>you're going to experience more activity in the future, so
<v Speaker 1>just be mindful of that and know that they will
<v Speaker 1>come back when you least expect it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, or they're already there and they're
<v Speaker 1>just not being active of course, right, Okay, all right,
<v Speaker 1>anything else you'd like to share?
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that melt covers it, all right, Aaron.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you for contacting me and sharing these experiences
<v Speaker 1>with me here on the channel. You do an excellent
<v Speaker 1>job and it was an absolute pleasure speaking with you today.
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you having me on.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and I appreciate your time. And if you
<v Speaker 1>encounter one in the future, feel free to reach out
<v Speaker 1>to me and I'd love to hear about it.
<v Speaker 2>Man. Okay, thank you very much.
<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you. You have an excellent day. Encounters
<v Speaker 1>like Aaron's raise difficult questions, not just about what sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>might be, but how they behave, communicate, and protect their territory.
<v Speaker 1>From coordinated movement and vocalizations to eyeshine, tree structures and
<v Speaker 1>intimidation displays, These experiences suggest planning, intelligence and awareness. Erin's
<v Speaker 1>encounters also remind us of something important. That curiosity can
<v Speaker 1>easily turn into obsession, and obsession can consume a person
<v Speaker 1>if boundaries aren't kept. If you've had experiences like this,
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