#309 - One Gun, One Cartridge: The Ultimate Debate

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I shoot the gray squirrels around here?

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If you shoot them with a 17,
they kind of go, you know,

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oh, you got me or,
you know, and they run off or something.

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And the 20 twos are mostly that way too,
even with a good hit.

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But boy, if you hit him with a 25
on one of these hunting pellets,

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it knocks their squirrel butt
right out of the tree.

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Hi there, and welcome to the Guns Podcast,

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My guest today is none other

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than the inimitable official
unofficial co-host Roy Huntington.

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How you doing, Roy?

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I've been called worse than that.

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Well, it's getting to the point.

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I mean, you're our official,
unofficial co-host.

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I'm trying to think of new ways
to introduce you each week, but,

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I do appreciate you joining us.

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And today, we're just going to kind of
argue in free form a little bit.

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It was a topic that Roy actually brought
up, and I think it's a good one.

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And and this has been argued around
countless,

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ranges, locker rooms,

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campfires, deer camps,

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you name it, where more than, one gun,

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enthusiast or hunter
or self-defense person is setting.

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And the argument will start.

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So today
we're going to cover the question of

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if you only have one gun in one cartridge,
what would it be?

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And the rules are pretty simple.

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Literally some somebody will give you,
you can pick one gun and you can pick

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one single solitary cartridge,
and that's all you can ever have forever.

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And, we're going to talk about it.

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And actually,
after you, suggested it, Roy,

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then you kind of backtracked and said,
well, I'm not sure what that would be.

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So in the intervening moment,
since we started discussing this, have you

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thought of one yet?

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Well, you know,

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it's like, what 20 guns would I own
if that's all I had,

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you know,
then that's a little easier, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, of course we
we don't want to do easy.

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No. What's the perfect deer rifle?

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You know, we.

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Oh okay.

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Well I, you know,
I can talk about that and stuff, but

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I really didn't think of what it would be
when I pitched that, topic.

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You know, I, I it just was reflexive.

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And I thought, well, that be interesting.
You know, I wonder.

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Yeah.

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You know, but I actually have
since thought about it in the last

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five minutes and. Okay.

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And I think I do have mine.

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So do you want to go first or you,

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I'll go first so
you can refine your answer a little bit.

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And, you know, this is purely a,

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theoretical exercise because

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obviously, it seems quite unlikely
that you'll ever be allowed

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only one gun and one cartridge,
at least not in our lifetime.

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But, I do think it's, the,

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thinking behind it is a good thing

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because it makes you appreciate,

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the value of what?

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Certain cartridge and rifle or shotgun
cartridges.

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Gun cartridges?

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Ammunition.

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I totally butchered that.

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But what I'm trying to say
is a gun and a cartridge combo.

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What that brings to the table
and the downsides of it.

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So I do think this is
a, a good discussion to have.

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So with with all that and my flub up,

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I will announce mine is very simply the

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a 12 gauge of some kind and birdshot.

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And I pick that for a simple reason.

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You can do virtually anything
with a 12 gauge in birdshot.

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I'm not saying you can do it
well, but grizzly bears

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have been killed
with 12 gauge and birdshot.

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You can hunt, you can defend yourself.

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You can, you know, rid the farm of pests.

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You can, you know, hunt with it.

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I think
if you're looking simply under the,

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heading a versatility,
my nomination goes to the 12 gauge with,

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you know, number seven, seven
and a half, nine birdshot.

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And, with that,
you can solve most problems.

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You may have to be very close
to solve the problem.

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But as we've said before,
and we're talking about self-defense,

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nobody wants to get shot by anything.

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And I guarantee you
I've seen what birdshot can do to people.

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And it's pretty ugly.

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So I think the 12 gauge
with birdshot solves all.

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All of your problems
to a degree or or another.

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So therefore I consider it
truly the ultimate in versatility in,

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gun and cartridge combination.

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So what do you think, Roy?

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I, I won't argue with you, but
but I also think

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I should have made myself more clear.

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But I meant gun and

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cartridge, meaning not a particular load.

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Right. Okay. So.

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So, boy, keeping that in mind,
what you said, it's may be exactly right.

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I mean, because when you factor in number
eight shot number four, shot

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buckshot, baby shot slug.

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I mean, you really could solve

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any problem that came up against you,
you know, whereas

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if you just had a 38, six hunting
rifle, you'd be hard to shoot quail.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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So yeah I think that's smart.

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I mean I also,
I also think it's cheating a little bit.

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It's a.

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I always cheat always when.

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I know you're right.

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No actually
I mean that's really, really good.

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And the practical side of me says

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that's a pretty good decision.

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You know, I think the only time
it would be difficult is if you

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if you needed
to sort of personal protection thing.

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You know, it's hard to carry that around
at the mall, you know, but, true.

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But maybe underneath, underneath your
trench coat or something, you know, wow.

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And sling around
or get one of those shockwaves.

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I think they're called,
you know, the short guns.

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Although you'd be hard
pressed to go duck hunting with that,

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although it would be interesting.

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I wonder if anybody ever has,
you know, hunting.

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Rifle should be out of your place soon,
and I've got a shockwave.

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You want to.
You want to try it on a few ducks?

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Why don't you bring it with you?

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Because, you know, let's let's
put some slugs in it and shoot at it.

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But now this would be interesting.

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Slugs? Yeah.

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Not Magnum or, you know, just you regular.

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But, like.

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Say, maybe five yards,
ten yards, 25 yards.

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See if we can hit the target at 50 yards,
you know.

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Yeah, I think that would be.

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Might be kind of interesting.

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Well, and I'll tell you, I cheat.

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I use federal shorties in it. Both.

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Slug and buckshot.

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It's a
little less in the recoil department.

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But you can get more in there.

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And, with that little bitty short gun
that I keep near my front door,

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I can put eight ounces of lead downrange
in about three seconds, probably.

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So see what a good idea.
Yeah. That's good.

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Who's that?

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Us is do they have them
that are semi-auto or are they all pump.

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Do you know is yours a farmer.

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Mine's a pump.

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Okay I wasn't sure if they had semi-auto.

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So that's really interesting.

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I think that changes that picture.

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I mean, other than it, you'd be hard
pressed for hunting you could.

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Could you shoot a rabbit at 25 yards?
Probably.

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Sure. Yeah.

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Yeah, but we'll find out, you know,
but I got thinking seriously about it

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and that and not everyone's
going to agree.

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And they're going to say,
well that's stupid, you know.

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But I think it would be my,

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foreign Smith

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and Wesson model 29, 44 Magnum.

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Really? Yeah.

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Because

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it shoots like a rifle.

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I mean, truly, I mean, no,

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you have a deer at 100 yards,
you have venison.

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You know, I mean,

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I mean, it's I have
you can hold four inches, five inches

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or so and even a little better than that
at 100 yards with it.

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And, so you and you can shoot everything

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from a super light,

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you know, 130 grain bullet at 600ft
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Right?

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Or you could shoot a 300 grain bullet

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at 1350 feet per second in case elephants

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invade our Missouri, you know? And,

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and you can either get CCI birdshot

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or you can make your own,
which I think is more efficient.

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And because then

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you can customize the birdshot, you know,
you could have number four shot,

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you could do three buck shots,
for instance, you know.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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With a with a overshot one, which you use
gas checks, copper gas checks.

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You can do just you number 12 shot.

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Right. You want like dust shot.

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If you want to shoot rats in your barn
or something like that.

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And in a pinch, you know,
you could certainly carry concealed.

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You know, I have or, you know, corn. So.

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So I don't think it's

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it wouldn't be perfect
if you weren't a loader.

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But if you were a loader, I think it would
also accomplish a lot of things.

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I think with the right shot
cartridge, you could shoot,

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you know, like a grouse on the ground
at 15 yards or something.

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I think that that is within
the realm of possibility.

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So and it

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would be I don't mind,
by the time you got to it.

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It would be. Field.

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To it.

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So I mean, you know,
because I almost said the 22, you know.

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Yeah, I mean, I was, I was this close
to say an a 22 and I thought,

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you know, like a 6.5in barrel Ruger

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single six with adjustable sights.

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I mean, you could have 22 shot cartridges,
you could have low powered 22

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Long Rifle, you could have pretty powerful
22 long rifles.

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You know,
if you were good enough with the gun,

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you could technically take a deer
if you needed to,

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you know, a head shot
or something at 40 yards.

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I mean, you could certainly shoot
everything else.

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It would need
to. Yeah, it's it's been done.

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It would.

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You could
defend yourself with it in a pinch.

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Or maybe a Smith and Wesson style double
action revolver would make better sense.

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You could accomplish the same job.

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So, I mean, I was like,
I was like, right on that.

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As I look upon my, my four inch model

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29 almost says, like I do a 22,

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because I usually shoot very mild
loads in it.

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You know, one 80s at some 700ft
per second or something.

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Just second of plinking loads.

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Yeah. And it's a lot of fun.

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It doesn't beat you up.

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But I really like the versatility
of the fact

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that I can load it up like a son of a gun
if I really want to, you know?

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Yeah. If you need to

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worry.

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Yeah. I mean,

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we're getting some wild boar here.

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I'm not sure I would want to take
a wild boar on with my 22,

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you know, unless I needed to,

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but, I mean, those were the things to add,
because I, I first, I also thought

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maybe it would be a long gun,
you know, like, Yeah.

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2 to 2, three bolt guns. Right?

243
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Because that would do
a lot of what we're talking about.

244
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You anything you would probably have
a likelihood

245
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to shoot in North America
a short of elk or something.

246
00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,200
You know, you could
you could do with that,

247
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but I but I kept going back
to the self-defense thing, you know.

248
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Yeah.

249
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So I thought and,
and I think people could make a case

250
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for a 1911,
it would probably very similar, you know.

251
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Yeah.

252
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Because you can technically get CCI shot
cartridges for them.

253
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And a lot of people
don't see the value of that.

254
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But, you know, I would living
in the country, I actually use them a lot.

255
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Yeah. You know you do.

256
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So so yeah.

257
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So that's why it would,
I would, I would really miss that ability.

258
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So I don't know that I mean, it's,
but when I thought of this,

259
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I just threw it out.

260
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I didn't really think about it,

261
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you. Know,
which is how we preplan our, our episodes.

262
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I know
because we didn't do any planning on this.

263
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We were like, we literally we sat down
and said, hey, let's do this, okay?

264
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Start play. You know?

265
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Well, you know.

266
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I think those are both good choices.

267
00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,760
But, one thing you kind of hit on is
we didn't talk about rifles, so

268
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let's specifically go there because I know
a lot of folks would pick a rifle.

269
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And then you get into the whole argument
of which caliber and, and,

270
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you know, if you're a reload
or if you're not a reload

271
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or certainly the 22,
you made a lot of good points.

272
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And that would carry over
into the 22 rifle,

273
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very versatile,
widely available ammunition.

274
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You can do a lot of things with it.

275
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You can even defend yourself with it.

276
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It's been done.
As we can we can attest to,

277
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I don't know if I would probably go
something a little bit bigger.

278
00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:13,680
Yeah.

279
00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:16,680
You make a good point to 2 to 3.

280
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Maybe, 3030.

281
00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,000
It's it's certainly a major caliber.

282
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The thing I like about the 3030
is it's kind of an intermediate cartridge

283
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that can kind of do
a little bit of everything.

284
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And it's widely available.

285
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You can go to about any country,

286
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store that sells ammunition, and
they're going to have at least 130, 30.

287
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The other thing might be a 38 six,
which especially if you're reloading,

288
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you can go anywhere from varmint rounds
to things that could take probably

289
00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,560
I'm sure an elephant has been taken
with a 36 and everything in between.

290
00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,600
So your thoughts on
the the Rifle Brigade, Roy?

291
00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,240
Well, I hadn't thought about it
until just now.

292
00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,160
So I was listening to you going,
but yeah, I agree with that.

293
00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,160
Well I don't agree with that.

294
00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,640
And you know,
and I was trying to play in my brain.

295
00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,800
What would I have, you know, may
I'm partial to single shot rifles.

296
00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,520
And so I was trying to think in my world

297
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where I actually live,
what would make the best sense.

298
00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,640
Right.

299
00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,640
So I know
I'm not going to how to elephant.

300
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,640
I, I'm not going to hunt elk.

301
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,560
I don't have to defend myself against
any kind of bears around here really.

302
00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,200
They're out there. But they just
you know they go they go.

303
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,200
Oh and they run the other way. So

304
00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200
yeah, the only thing like that is
if the pigs are starting to show up.

305
00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,400
So, you know, maybe I might be stumbling
around on the property someday.

306
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And there would be one over there.

307
00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:44,160
And so

308
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I would probably would
go with one of those single shot rifles

309
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that I like to build,
for Rossi's or CVA guns.

310
00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,360
And. Yeah,
what I think I would do is I would,

311
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it would either be a 357,

312
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which probably is what it would be.

313
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It would be a single shot.

314
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357 Magnum rifle,

315
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with an extractor, not an ejector.

316
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That way I have to chase the brass
all over the place,

317
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because, gosh,
that's pretty darn versatile.

318
00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:20,040
So you could load a, 180 at 1500 feet
per second, you know?

319
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,440
Yeah.

320
00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,880
I mean, you could you could shoot a bear
with that if you had to,

321
00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,080
you could load any of the 38 specials.

322
00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,280
My favorite is to shoot
38 wide cutters, target wide cutters.

323
00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,600
And you could certainly load shot
cartridges if you wanted to.

324
00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,200
So, I mean, I don't know, you
know, it's not a multi fire

325
00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,280
or take on the hoarding,
you know, renegades.

326
00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,920
But yeah, I mean, I don't know that
I'm ever really going to need to do that,

327
00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,960
you know. So yeah, that's what I would do.

328
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,400
So well as you were talking
I just had a sudden realization.

329
00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,080
There's another category of gun
we haven't talked about.

330
00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,520
And what about over under combo guns?

331
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,560
Like, we just talked about it recently.

332
00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,480
I'm trying to think the model number,
it was five or,

333
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,240
That's cheating.

334
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,400
No, it's one, that's two.

335
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,040
Two. That's. Yeah.

336
00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,840
Two cartridges is one gun.

337
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,880
One cartridge.

338
00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,600
Yeah. So that's cheating. Well.

339
00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,760
I believe the official issue one
is 22 Hornet over 410.

340
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,760
But didn't somebody used to make those

341
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,200
where you could get various combos
up to like 20 gauge and,

342
00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,000
maybe even 30, 30?

343
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,400
Do you remember those?

344
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,080
So yeah.

345
00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,080
Savage made the 24

346
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see, or something like that.

347
00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,960
And they had them,

348
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,720
22 Long Rifle for ten.

349
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,280
And they made 22 Magnum, 20 gauge.

350
00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,320
And then it seems like
they made another center

351
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,360
fire rifle caliber and 20 gauge,
but I don't remember what it was.

352
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,120
He was like, yeah, something fun.

353
00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,520
It was like 222 Remington
or, you know, might have been 22 Hornet,

354
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,560
probably, over 20 gauge. So.

355
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,400
Well, I've had a couple of those.

356
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,640
I had the, the are early 24
which is 22 law rifle for ten.

357
00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,240
And I had to say it was really handy,
you know, I mean, it was like

358
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,440
it was just a tool
though, to me was just a wrench, you know.

359
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,400
So it wasn't that
fun kind of, you know, so.

360
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,680
But yeah,
if we're talking one gun, one cartridge.

361
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,480
I didn't think about the different
categories

362
00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,560
though, like rifles, shotgun, handguns.

363
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:31,800
So yeah.

364
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,560
So then I, I did
my handgun would be the model 29.

365
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,440
My rifle would be a single barrel.

366
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,440
357 so what would your handgun be?

367
00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,440
I knew you were going to ask that.

368
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,160
And now I'm at the same place you were.

369
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,160
It's like, wow, what would it be?

370
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,920
But you have to decide, like, right now,

371
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,920
because they're coming for every other gun
you own.

372
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,640
And I know people in
comments are going to say,

373
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,440
well,
I'll get them out of my cold, dead hand.

374
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,600
You know, I gotta
we're just having fun here all right.

375
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:01,120
You know.

376
00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:01,680
Yeah.

377
00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,680
It would probably be a 357 revolver.

378
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,840
I've got. Yeah.

379
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,440
Grossly that I haven't shot a lot of.

380
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,840
But it's it's a pretty gun.
It's a fun gun.

381
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,800
It's got enough weight,

382
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,920
that, you know, you could shoot full house
and it doesn't tear you up.

383
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,440
357 is very versatile.

384
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,880
So that would probably be mine.

385
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,680
And I'd be style two,
you know, carrying that.

386
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,400
So I'll tell you that one that I had it's
talk about shoot like a rifle.

387
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,120
Yeah.

388
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:34,720
I mean, it was just, I mean like
two inches of 50 yards, you know.

389
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:35,760
Yeah. I mean, it was a oh.

390
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,120
Maybe I'll bring that out of me
when we come out here because like I said,

391
00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,840
I haven't shot on a lot
and I'll bring it out.

392
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,800
It's just it's one of the few guns,
as we've talked about before.

393
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,200
When we review guns,
sometimes they give them to us.

394
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,320
Not that often.

395
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,120
Most time we have to send it back,
but they'll often, offers a discount.

396
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,960
And I bought my Colt grizzly
because I liked it a lot, so.

397
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:58,520
Yeah.

398
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,200
Well, and because a lot of times
they don't want to use gun back, you know?

399
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,480
So if we've shot them
and usually we shoot them a lot.

400
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:06,000
Right?

401
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,120
You know, it's it's like, what's Colt
going to do with this used gun.

402
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:13,320
But yeah bring it cousin and I'll get you
on the 100 yard gun here with it.

403
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040
I mean, that'll be fun. It's unbelievable.

404
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,360
It just it shoots
and it has a really good action.

405
00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:19,320
Mine had like this.

406
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,640
Maybe the smoothest factory action
I've ever felt on almost any gun.

407
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,520
Yeah, yeah.

408
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:30,320
Okay, so, four inch, 29 for me,
6.5in would be okay.

409
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,120
I have one of those. Either one.

410
00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,720
I'm more partial to the six and a half,
but I think the four inch would be more

411
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,680
practical, so.

412
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,600
And then a single shot. 357.

413
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,160
So you'd go with the 357 grizzly

414
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,720
and maybe a shockwave or a shoulder
fired shotgun.

415
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:49,560
Yeah.

416
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,880
If I had to choose that, I'd take a
and it Remington 870.

417
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,880
As I've talked countless times, you know,

418
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,360
when Roy and I were coming up
at the cop shop and in our era,

419
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,600
you had to intimately know your 870,

420
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,480
and if you didn't,
you often did push ups until you did.

421
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,480
So that is one gun.

422
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,640
You know, I'm
very familiar with the AR also.

423
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,200
But you throw either
one of those in my hand, and I can make it

424
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,040
run, and I can even,
you know, diagnose stoppages

425
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,520
and things like that without much thought
because I've done it so much.

426
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,720
And, so, yeah, the
I like shooting semi-auto.

427
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,400
I like shooting all shotguns.

428
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,400
I'm a, I'm a shotgun fan,
but the 870 is the one gun.

429
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,120
When I get it in my hands, it's like
I know where everything is instinctively.

430
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,240
I know every sound it makes.

431
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,240
I know when it makes a
a sound that it shouldn't make.

432
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,320
And, it it is truly,

433
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:48,320
probably the one

434
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,320
gun that I feel very connected to.

435
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,440
As weird as that might sound.

436
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,200
No, you're right. It's
it's it's intuitive.

437
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,760
You know, I don't even think about it.
You know, I've got a couple.

438
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,360
And on the same way with you,
you know, it's,

439
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,440
there's one of them
I keep loaded with, with, number

440
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,680
four shot, and it's got a light on it,
and that's my, you know,

441
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,080
get the raccoons off my porch
that are tearing apart my bird feeders.

442
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:11,640
Right?

443
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,880
Yeah, but you're right, it's real funny,
as a you pick it up and you just.

444
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,880
You just know where everything is.

445
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,600
If I single load,
I know just how to do that.

446
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,480
Real quick if you want to. Yeah.

447
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,000
And so that would be my shotgun.

448
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,840
It'd be a, a shorter barreled 870,
you know,

449
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,360
like an 18 inch, 20 inch barreled 870
cylinder mower.

450
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:32,520
Yeah.

451
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,360
I don't really want a mag extension on it
because with mag extensions,

452
00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,640
it always makes it too muzzle
heavy for me.

453
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,480
I don't like that.

454
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,160
And, with a button on it.

455
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,280
So you put 4 or 5 rounds
in a butt sling or something.

456
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,840
I don't like the side saddles
because they just.

457
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,000
They always are get in the way.

458
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,560
And I like to, Yeah, I like to carry
an 870 around the receiver.

459
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,400
So if it has that side saddle thing,
it's gets in the way.

460
00:22:59,640 --> 00:22:59,840
Yeah.

461
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,440
And, and just the stock
sights are fine with me.

462
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,440
The little bit on the front,
it seems to work just fine

463
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,880
because I shot one with, that federal.

464
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,240
What was that?

465
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,240
They called it? It's, it's like a

466
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,040
extra accurate, you know, buckshot load.

467
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Yeah.

468
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,120
Do you know what I mean?

469
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,120
Yeah, I. Can pick federal. Yeah.

470
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,360
I when that came out.

471
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,040
I shot hundreds of them. What?

472
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,600
I yeah, I know what you mean. Federal.

473
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,320
I don't remember what it's called,
but anyway.

474
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,760
Yeah, because normally a 25 yards
was standard old fashioned buckshot.

475
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,680
You know, it'd be like,

476
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,640
all over a B 27 silhouette target
and you get 1 or 2 hits maybe.

477
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,920
Well, the first time
I shot this out of a cylinder, poor gun.

478
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,200
I ended up with like a eight inch paper
plate group in the middle of the target.

479
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,040
And it was like, this is game changing.

480
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,360
You know? Exactly. Exactly.

481
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,200
White control.

482
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:55,800
Was that.

483
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,680
Yeah.

484
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,720
That was,
because we patterned our guns and.

485
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:04,160
Yeah, about 25 it was dinner plate size,
which is a nice spread at that distance

486
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,680
that.

487
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,920
Yeah, yeah,
it would put a bad hurt on a bad guy.

488
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,920
So the only thing I should. Good.

489
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,040
The only thing I disagree with you
is a sidesaddle.

490
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
And simply because all of our guns,

491
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,280
from pretty much when the side
saddle came out had had them.

492
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,000
And, so I of all the training I've done

493
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,000
and all the operations, I've carried
a shotgun, I always had a side saddle.

494
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,400
So my personal guns,
I don't put a side saddle on.

495
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,800
I'm more of a butt calf kind of guy, but,
yeah, it's funny.

496
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,160
It's a I'm like, you.

497
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,560
I felt like they were kind of in the way
they do keep the ammo real fast.

498
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,080
And, boy, you can load fast.

499
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,120
But, when I

500
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,200
didn't have to put it on my guns,
I don't self.

501
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,120
I'm a little surprised
I didn't say a lever action.

502
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,080
3030.

503
00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,080
I confess I'm a little surprised,
but I think I just really like

504
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,080
that versatility.

505
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,120
Of the 357, just like you did, you know?

506
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:04,520
Yeah.

507
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520
Of course, in in a Perfect World
then I would have

508
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,640
my, my 29 would be a 27,
it'd be 357 Magnum.

509
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,240
Right. Yeah.

510
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,440
And then you'd have those
both be the same.

511
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,480
But we're really we're supposed
to just be talking about one. So.

512
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,200
Okay, if you really could only have

513
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,800
one rifle.

514
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,200
The more I've thought about it
while we've been here doing this,

515
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,840
I think it would be one of my bolt action

516
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,360
and shoots 22 magnums. Really?

517
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,720
I think that's what it would be,
because this thing will shoot

518
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,720
a three quarters of an inch at 100 yards
on a non windy day, right?

519
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,360
Yeah.

520
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,360
And I mean that's a dead deer,

521
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,920
you know,
shoot him in the air at 100 yards

522
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,880
and you know you could eyeball shoot a pig
if you really needed to.

523
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,200
But other than that the 22 Magnum.

524
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,120
So it's
my most used cartridge around here.

525
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:08,440
You know Coyote's and you know, groundhogs
and the list goes on.

526
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,520
And. Right.

527
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,440
Because if we don't keep them down,
they take over.

528
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Yeah. You know, fully.

529
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,120
But yeah, it's a good defensive round
if you need to, you know.

530
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Yeah.

531
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,120
You can carry a lot of ammunition, so.

532
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,960
Well, you know,
I was sitting here thinking, and,

533
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,720
I would even throw the six five creed.

534
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,640
And I know you're not a huge fan of it,
but, it's it's a good cartridge,

535
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280
and it's it's a nice, again,
kind of an intermediate.

536
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,240
Not a lot of recoil.

537
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,680
It's got very flat trajectory, etc.

538
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,280
on a great BK,

539
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,160
but I think the bigger point
to tease out here is that we'd both choose

540
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,600
bolt actions and, you know,
I've got plenty of semi-auto around here.

541
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840
I've certainly got my share of,
modern sporting rifles.

542
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,920
But if you are literally down, there's
nothing simpler than a bolt action.

543
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,440
Yeah,
they can break, but, even even a gun.

544
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,800
Plummer, as we talked about in the last
episode, can fix him.

545
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Or, you know,
even if they can't fix it, at least

546
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,640
you can get a one shooter out of it.

547
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,920
So I think it's real action
is, is the way to go.

548
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,880
Whatever you choose.

549
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,200
You know, I think

550
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,040
6.5 Creedmoor, because this will get
everybody hate and discontent here.

551
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,080
It's is it's not that I dislike it.

552
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,320
It's just that I don't think it's it's
the answer to everything.

553
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,920
Like people always say,
you know, I will agree.

554
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,040
I mean, because if, I mean, if,
if I'm going whatever

555
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,400
deer hunting tomorrow
and I'm going out to 500 yards

556
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,720
and someone hands me a 308 bolt gun,
that's accurate, I'd say, okay, thank you.

557
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,560
You know. Yeah.

558
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,880
If someone handed me a seven millimeter
magnum, I'd say, okay, thank you.

559
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,640
6.5 Creedmoor. I'd say, okay, thank you.

560
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,480
Right. Yeah.

561
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,480
Although I will say this,

562
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,440
I just got done
testing one two Springfield armories.

563
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,920
Way point, bolt action rifles, right?

564
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,040
Yeah. It's a really nice gun.

565
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,440
Like Uber super duper dice gun, right?

566
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,040
Yeah. And they sent it to me.

567
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,040
It's in six millimeter Creedmoor,

568
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,160
which I had never really heard of that.

569
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,920
You know, I made a new
there's all those six millimeters

570
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,880
preseason eight and all those,

571
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,040
and then Hornady was

572
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,320
kind enough to send me some ammunition
to 80 grain, 1 or 3 and a 108

573
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,520
grain bullet, which is a little on
the light side, generally for

574
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,520
what I'm used to shooting. And,

575
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Manson sent me a brand new two part

576
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,160
ransom rifle rest,
which essentially holds the rifle for you.

577
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:38,840
Right.

578
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,720
And you just the.

579
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,480
I kind of dial it in and then.

580
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Yeah,
you sort of put yourself on it, right?

581
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,440
If that makes sense. So it's holding it.

582
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,240
All you're doing is stabilizing yourself
so you can press the trigger and.

583
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,400
Yeah.

584
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,400
So I set that gun up in my backyard here

585
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,480
and did a rough zero on the scope at 50.

586
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,880
Then put a target out at 100 and I,

587
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,120
I kid you not,
I swear to you that the worst group

588
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,400
I shot during
that day was less than half an inch.

589
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,080
And the best group

590
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080
was 0.35.

591
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,320
It was essentially two shots,
basically next to each other.

592
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Only it was a five round group.

593
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,600
It was unbelievable.

594
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,520
I mean, it was essentially
one hole, one ragged hole at 100 yards.

595
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320
And it kind of did
that more often than not.

596
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,320
I bet it would be like, you know,

597
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480
that group or it would.

598
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Everything was under half an inch,
you know, that's

599
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,480
incredible to me
that we have that technology nowadays.

600
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,040
Yeah. Pretty cool.

601
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,680
So really and I will say on the,
the six five especially,

602
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,240
it's a good round,
but it's, it gets a little folks

603
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,560
get a little carried away at times
and we talk about fanboys.

604
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,400
It's, it's got its fanboys and I'm sure
if, let's say something bad about it.

605
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,960
So we get a couple of those emails,
you know.

606
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,120
Well I guess it's, it's a hype around.

607
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,400
But well, I'll tell you what,
this is going to piss everybody off it

608
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,800
that I've got an ancient, 6.5 by 55 Swede.

609
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Right.

610
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
I converted bolt action.

611
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,360
I think it's a 96 Mauser. Right.

612
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,520
It's got, this was probably done
in the 60s by some neighborhood gunsmith.

613
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,040
So military stock cut off, right?

614
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Sport? Arise. Yep. Got rid of the

615
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,600
change.

616
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Some of the metal contour a little bit,
and, I think he bent the bolt down.

617
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,520
Maybe, and it's got an ancient Redfield

618
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,520
scope on it,
you know, remember the old Redfield zero?

619
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,520
Yeah.

620
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,520
And 60 zero is kind of a scope.

621
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,920
And with good ammunition, this gun will
shoot an inch at 100 yards all day.

622
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,440
I mean, just it gets boring, right?

623
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,000
And that's it.

624
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000
With the military two stage trigger.

625
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,360
It doesn't even have a custom trigger.

626
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480
And so, yeah, I think, can you imagine?

627
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,240
I mean, if this give this gun a chance,
I mean, like, bet

628
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,520
it put a good trigger in it,
put a real scope on it.

629
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Yeah.

630
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,320
And this was a military barrel,
right. Wow.

631
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:27,200
So I know that's where the 6.5 rest of
the people the Creedmoor is and all that.

632
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,160
You know, they're all saying
this is the end all end all.

633
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,880
And that's why these all guys like me

634
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,920
who've been around the 6.5
Swede, we just go, yeah. So.

635
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Lots.

636
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,120
And you know, this turned out
exactly how I hoped it would is,

637
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,360
you know, lots of, Well, yeah.
What about this?

638
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,960
But what about that or what about.

639
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,520
But yeah, that one's not.

640
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,040
And I think again, that's the
the big, takeaway

641
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,360
from this episode in this discussion is

642
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,480
we have our favorites,
we have our less favorites.

643
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,800
But you know, understand that there's very
few rounds and guns that are just awful.

644
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Some are more versatile than others, but,

645
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,320
I think my takeaway is just be open
minded.

646
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,520
And, you know,
we've said it quite a bit here.

647
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,360
I don't hate that particular gun.

648
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,880
I don't hate that round
because that's kind of silly.

649
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600
It's an inanimate object, but I do favor,
you know, this one or that one.

650
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,520
So my my big takeaway here
is, think about it yourself, but,

651
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,840
be open minded

652
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,880
and, listen to other people
and what they think.

653
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,080
So your takeaway rifle. Why?

654
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,000
I think this was fun. Because it's it.

655
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,080
It makes me appreciate,

656
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,520
as you started to say earlier,
what we have, you know.

657
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:43,920
Yeah.

658
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,280
Because it's like,
now I look at my single shot, 357 rifle.

659
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,400
It's like,
I want to go shoot it now, you know, and

660
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520
and the 22 Magnum, it's like, you know,
I haven't shot that in a while.

661
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,120
I need to go out and shoot
that rule and shoots and stuff like that.

662
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,840
So, yeah, I think we need to close this
with one more quickie and that is that

663
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,600
if you could only have one air rifle,
what would it be like?

664
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,120
And what we what I, what I'm going to do
is just because I know what it would be

665
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:15,360
is that, I mean, because we both go
from big guns to, you know, whatever.

666
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,040
You probably had some of the 22,
maybe some of the 25

667
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,880
air rifles that are out nowadays.
Well, yep.

668
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,400
I have an air Force.

669
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,440
I can't remember the model of it.

670
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Air force.

671
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Anyway, it's the 25 caliber Air Force,
so it's a pre-charge pneumatic.

672
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,400
It's got that little tank.

673
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,480
That's the really the buttstock?

674
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Yeah.

675
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,760
So, yeah, it'll shoot like a 35 grain

676
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,280
pellet at about 1000ft per second.

677
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,800
And not only will this darn thing

678
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,800
shoot a half an inch at 50 yards,

679
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,280
but I can shoot a 100 yard gong
and it actually goes clang.

680
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,440
I mean, yeah, chilling.

681
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Hear it? Oh, yeah.

682
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,160
I mean, it was like, yeah,
well that's interesting, right?

683
00:33:59,160 --> 00:33:59,480
Yeah.

684
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,960
With the 17 and you're even.

685
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,640
No, you really hit it you know.

686
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,360
Yeah 22 will barely make it there.

687
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,880
And but the thing about it
is that when I shoot the gray squirrels

688
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,800
around here with that way,
if you shoot them with a 17,

689
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,800
they kind of go, you know, oh,
you got me or, you know,

690
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,120
and they run off or something.

691
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,360
And the 20 twos are mostly that way too,
even with a good hit.

692
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,680
My boy, if you hit him with a 25
on one of these hunting pellets,

693
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,080
it knocks their squirrel butt
right out of the tree.

694
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,240
And they are, as we used to say, drop dead
right there.

695
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:37,080
I mean, it just it's it's like non-linear
how it ramps up the power.

696
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,800
Yeah. Of these gun.

697
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,920
So, so mine would be my Air Force 25.

698
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,120
I know they make big bore ones,
but I think the 25 is pretty versatile.

699
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,920
So what would you do?

700
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Okay, I'm going to cheat
and say I'd take the same thing.

701
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,160
I. I've had the same experience, and,
Yeah, it,

702
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,080
it is, I, I've not looked up
the ballistics, but it does seem like

703
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,080
the power curve kind of goes like this,

704
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,240
and, it is it is far more power
other than the pre charged

705
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:17,560
pneumatics are great and super, useful,
except you got to charge them.

706
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,680
And if you don't have, scuba tank
or an air compressor,

707
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,000
both of which are, you know,
somewhat, costly, they can be a pain.

708
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,000
So then you get into the, the piston guns,
and I got a bunch of those in the closet

709
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,480
and and then, then I got to tell you,

710
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,920
I went on, a nationally known,

711
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,560
squirrel hunting event.

712
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,760
And I've told this story a little bit
before that, we used piston guns,

713
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,760
from a major manufacturer,
and I didn't like it

714
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,240
because most of the squirrels got away,
and that was that.

715
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:51,920
Yeah.

716
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,880
Not to be very disappointing,
especially in seventeens, you know.

717
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Yeah, I just yeah.
I don't own one anymore, you know?

718
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,360
So, I cheated though,
and I have one of the little compressors

719
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,320
that'll run
this tank up to 3000 psi. Yeah.

720
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,320
Those rock have. They run
and they're loud.

721
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Yeah.

722
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,600
It it takes like about a half an hour
because it runs and then it, like,

723
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,160
cools down and it lets the tank cool down
and then it runs.

724
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,880
But yeah, it does make it really nice.

725
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,320
Yeah.

726
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,880
I would say though, and I promise
this would be the last of it,

727
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,120
that the most funnest air rifle I have

728
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,000
is one that you will shoot
when you come here.

729
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,680
I just got it.
I actually spent my own money on it.

730
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,800
Yep. Amazon, 125 bucks.

731
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,160
It's a Crossman,
and it looks like a seal or a, M1 carbine.

732
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,480
So it's it's CO2 powered.

733
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,360
It uses two CO2.

734
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,040
So, you know, little cylinder things.

735
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,840
Yeah. At the same time, see. Yep.

736
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,040
Twice as much volume and everything.

737
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,400
Yeah.

738
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Only at select fire.

739
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,080
So it's full auto or semi-auto.

740
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,640
And unlike most of these where you have to
you have to

741
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,480
I know you have to load this magazine,
like, one baby at a time.

742
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,120
This thing is brilliant.

743
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,360
It's got a bulk.

744
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160
You dump, like,
a whole gazillion babies in this thing,

745
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,520
and then all you do is you tilt the rifle
down, and you slide this rail out,

746
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,120
and then you push it back
in, and that loads it. So.

747
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:19,680
And it's how.

748
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,400
Cool is that?

749
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,400
I think it's like 2000 rounds a minute.

750
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120
I mean it's shoots so fast.
It's unbelievable.

751
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,240
So I got it when it was still summertime
here.

752
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,560
And I go down to the my pond here

753
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,160
and I used to chase chase dragonflies
with it, which I never hit one.

754
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,320
I know I never had one.

755
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
So don't everyone relax, you know.

756
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,960
But it was so fun
because they would me here on fly

757
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,920
over, like, you know, Japanese Zeros
attacking the fleet or something.

758
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,280
And you would open up on them
with this thing.

759
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,280
Boom.

760
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,560
And you'd see
would splash in the water behind them.

761
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,000
It was great fun.

762
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,080
One of my favorite stories from
the author, Peter Hathaway, Cap Stick.

763
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,600
He had, one of the early ones,
and he talked about, I know.

764
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,920
What you're going to say. Backyard.

765
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,400
Yeah, yeah, the backyard.

766
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,440
I call them DF be something.

767
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,600
They were dragonfly blue
and he did the smack one and it,

768
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,960
you know, went to town, but
that looks really earth sounds very cool.

769
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,880
And I know somewhere in my gun stuff,
I traded one time

770
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,760
and ended up with a whole case
of those CO2 cartridges.

771
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,680
And if you don't need them, bring a bunch.

772
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,760
I'm gonna bring em, and I'll bring a pen
on to Bebe's, and we're going to rock it.

773
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,360
So you're going to love this.

774
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
You know, what we need to do
is let's make a video, okay?

775
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Yeah. Oh.

776
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,640
Video of you and I losing our mind.

777
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,800
Because, like, when you shoot it, I can.

778
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,800
Aluminum can just shreds it.

779
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,160
You'll see. Okay.

780
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:51,880
All right.

781
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,480
We're out of control. We have to stop.

782
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,880
Oh, yeah.

783
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,600
That's it.

784
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,240
Well, I'm

785
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,000
going to be at your house next week, and,
Yeah, it'll get out of control, and.

786
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,480
And much shooting will be held.

787
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,800
So, look forward to some video
from from all that.

788
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,840
But anyway, we
we do have to shut this thing down first.

789
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,280
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795
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,400
Well, I got to say
during the commercial break, right, I'm

796
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,760
thinking about I'm
yeah, we're going to get Dragon exempt.

797
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000
It's going to be a little bit chilly.
I don't know if y'all have dragonflies.

798
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,440
We'll find something that we can shoot
floating.

799
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,880
Sticks or it doesn't matter. Just shoot.

800
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,000
The darn thing is fun. Exactly.

801
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,960
Yeah. We'll definitely be doing that.

802
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Well, anyway, thanks for joining us here
on the guns podcast

803
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,120
you asked, brought to you by guns
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804
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,920
Of course, I am your host, Brant Wheat.

805
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,960
And on behalf of our unofficial official
yet unofficial

806
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,400
co-host, Roy Huntington,

807
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,720
as I always say,
now get out there and get shooting.