Ohtani lawsuit update + Tim Kurkjian talks Twins sale fail, NY teams, Little League Classic

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Speaker 1: Figure, we'll bring out the craziest stat of the week right before we talk to Tim kirkchen who We'll be back with the TV crowd here in two minutes and we'll talk Little League World Classic or Little League Baseball Classic coming up on ESPN on Sunday. But the Twins are forty four and one twenty five against the Yankees since two thousand and two. Aja, your boys got smacked again. You're og franchise can't really handle the Yanks. They're getting them hot.

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Speaker 2: They are I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the most unbelievable stats of all times. Just players, turnover, managers turnover, front offices have turned well, I guess the Yankees have stayed the same with the front offices of the Twins have turned over, and they've changed stadiums. Both organizations have got new stadiums in this time and nothing has changed the Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees beat the Twins. So that's it. The Yankees beat the Twins.

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Speaker 4: The pole AADs haven't taken one at bat. The pole AADs haven't taken one at bat. This is an anomaly that we get to look at. But shocker AJ is involved with another team that has a brutal record forty one and forty one and one twenty one white sox AJ's team forty four and one five Twins.

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Speaker 3: Had nothing, had nothing to do with either one of those things. Just saying, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Once you leave, they all suck. So stop leaving, stop quitting, stay with the team, help them out.

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Speaker 3: One time, have grossed me. I didn't want to leave the Twins. I was traded traded away. Still they got you know what they got from Mick, Mick abel and tight, so go able and tight. See what they turn those guys into.

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Speaker 1: So their record against the Yankees produces a two sixty winning percentage two thousand and two including playoffs, and that includes nine straight losses against all other teams. Since two thousand and two, the Twins have a five fourteen winning percentage. What it's not like we're looking at this team like, oh, it's one of the worst teams ever. This franchise been a joke for twenty years. Like, no, they consistently, we'll we'll hang around, not against the Yankees. We'll ask Tim about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm suressing in the playoffs. Look at the just use the record in the playoffs, use the playoff record, it's even worse.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Twins fans, I know today's tough, but we cover the news. Legendary Tim Kirkton joining us right now. He'll be part of ESPN's Baseball Night coverage live on site from Williamsport this Sunday for the Little League Classic.

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Speaker 5: Excited to get into that real quick before we do. Tim. Great to see you, Great to have you on.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear our conversation at all about that ridiculous Twins record since two thousand and two.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you've been following that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absurd. I can't understand it. I was driving home last night from New York listening to the Yankees Twins game, and Paul Molitor was doing the color and he made kind of the same point that Aj did. That Look, this doesn't make any sense, he goes. The players aren't even aware of it. The Yankee players aren't aware of it. But it just keeps on happening. And this is why baseball is so great, and so many things are just unexplainable, and this is one of them. There's no reason the Twins should be this bad against the Yankees and Yankees. This good against the Twins. But this is why baseball is so good, is it doesn't make any sense so many days of the week.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is wacky, wacky news.

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Speaker 1: While we're on them too, what did you think of the team announcing that they're going to keep the ownership group intact there? I mean, we had been led to believe for the past year that it was going to be a new leaf for this ball club. Were you surprised as I was to see that they're actually hold on.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised. I am surprised, but maybe we shouldn't be. You know, I live outside of Washington, d C. And the Nationals have been up for sale for a long time, and then they didn't get the price they wanted and pulled the team back and said, Okay, we're not selling the team. Ardy Moreno did the same thing with the Angels. He's gonna sell the team, and then he decided I'm not going to sell the team, and then the poleads say we're gonna sell the team, and now we're not going to sell the team. It's possible that all of these owners are recognizing they're not maybe they're not getting exactly what they want. For the team and then they're going to hang on until, say, the price goes up. But maybe this isn't a shock, but it was a surprise to me because it seemed pretty pretty understandable that they're going to sell the team and now they're just looking for investors instead.

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Speaker 3: Tim, we we just kind of talked about this, We talked about this earlier, but Rob Manford came out a couple months ago and said, Oh, it's definitely happen. It's not if they win so and he's like, I know more than anybody else did. So something changed behind the scenes, because when Rob Manford usually says something like that, it doesn't go off the rails like kind of this one that it normally sticks to exactly what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something must have happened, just like something happened with the Nationals and something happen with the Angels. And again, these are really sharp businessmen who are used to winning, Like every negotiation that they're in, they get the last dollar on everything that they do in every business that they run. But baseball doesn't often work that way. You don't get exactly what you want in baseball. Sometimes you have to overpay to get a player. Sometimes you have to sell something for less than what you think it's worth. But these guys are used to getting whatever they want, and if they don't get it, they're pulling the team back. Maybe I don't know, maybe that's what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like there should be some kind of stipulation because of how much you love the game, how much we love it as players want to see winners, there should be some type of stipulation that owners have to try to win because this is this is a sport, this is a competitive like more of a penalty for not winning. Not saying there's relegation, I'm not saying all that kind of stuff, but do you feel like there should be some type of penalty because when you look at a team like the pole Ads, I mean an organization like the pole Ads, they're not setting their players up or their city up for having a successful team.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would like to see everyone try to win, Eric, but it's hard to prove whether you're trying to win or not. You know. Thirty years ago, Sandy Alderson, then the general manager of the A's I guess at the time, said what is a successful franchise? Is it a team that makes the playoffs every year or is it a team that never makes the playoffs but makes money every year. What is the successful franchise a team that loses money but wins, or a team that makes money and loses. And I think that discussion still has to be had today because I think that's still a relevant question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, invest and then the franchise value will sort We've seen that happen. Don't forget fans. The Dodgers were a prime example of that. The Dodgers were in a very different place fifteen years ago when they were run by Frank McCort, and look at them now. They are an absolute powerhouse. Tim, I'm going to take us to the Little League Classic that's coming up on Sunday on ESPN. You've got two great teams too, that are in the thick of a playoff race with the Mets and the Mariners. But first, give us the goods on what we can expect there, what the coverage will be like, how much you look forward to this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've covered every one of the Little League Classics and they're all great. Trust me, fellas, if you haven't been there for when the teams arrive, it's stunning, it's breathtaking. As soon as they get off the bus, they are just surrounded by kids, and before long, the players are into it just as much as the kids are because they've all watched the Little League World Series when they were twelve years old. And the Little League World Series is on in every clubhouse in the major leagues every single day because it fascinates the big leaders, as it should. And when these guys walk in, like Aaron I was there last year. When Aaron Judge walked in, it was unbelievable. He couldn't take a step without being just besieged by people, and he did a great job handling it. And all players do the best they can. A couple of years ago, Bryce Harper was here and he's sitting in the stands watching the Pennsylvania team, you know Philadelphia and Pennsylvania, and one of these kids from Pennsylvania like hits a rocket shot and Bryce Harper is there to see it. So at the Little League Classic that night, at the real major league ballpark, the kids are all there, like only kids are invited to the Little League Classic, another reason it worked so well. And Bryce Harper walks past the front row and the kid that he saw had a line drive. Bryce Harper goes up to him on his way to home plate in a major league game and says, boy, I hope I hit one as hard as you hit one today. And it was like the greatest thing that ever happened to that kid. And then Harper brought him an autographed bat and gave it to him as he sat in the stands and watched a major league game. That's what the Little League Classic is about. To me. It's about the kids watching the big leaguers. But it's just as important that the big leaguers are engaging with the kids. It is a wonderful, wonderful scene.

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Speaker 4: They show that often on TVs. There's something that you're banging the drum about that needs to be shown. That is your favorite part of this whole weekend, this whole Little League Classic that we're not seeing on TV because you get of background stuff. Is there something that we that we that we should be looking out for or that you're hoping that they show on TV.

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Speaker 2: Well, we weren't able to show this a few years ago, but now we do see. I ride the bus now every year in from the airport with the team with the kids on the bus, and now the last year was the Tigers and I were sitting on the bus with a bunch of kids, and they were asking, of course, the greatest questions in the world. Because kids are so uninhibited, they just say whatever they want to say. It's great. But what I wish we had a camera on was the first year I went on a bus. We didn't have the camera there. But Reese Hoskins of the Phillies, who was a star player at the time, like told a kid, let me see how good a dancer you are. And this twelve year old starts dance while the bus is driving, and then he gets into a dance contest with Reese Hoskins on the bus. It was absolutely priced to see a big leaguer and a twelve year old having a dance contest on the bus. The twelve year old one, as I recall, as most twelve year old should against most adults because no adults are good dancers. No male can dance in my opinion, but Reyese Hoskins was pretty good. The twelve year old was better.

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Speaker 3: Tim If Rosenthal was on right now, I'd say it's because you can. You love this event so much because Ken could look him in the eye. But I'm not going to make a short joke today. So I understand, I'm gonna save that for when Ken comes on, because I know you guys are You're much taller than Ken is, So I'm going to let that one pass before we go.

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Speaker 2: I am the same height. I'm the same height as Ken Rosenthal. And a few years ago, a very ambitious reporter, I mean a researcher at ESPN looked this up that fifty two percent of the kids at the Little League World Series that year were taller than me. I think that was unnecessary research. So one of the kids, one of the years, I'll never forget this. This kid's name was Terrence. He was from South Carolina. He was legit five eleven, one hundred and eighty five pounds, and he hit a ball three hundred and seventy five feet at the Little League World Series. He hit it like one hundred and fifty feet over the fence. It was unbelievable. So I talked to him on live TV like after the game, and jokingly I said to Terrence five eleven, one eighty five, I said, when was the last time you were my size? And he looked at me. He thought about it for a second, and he goes, I was in the second grade. That's what he said. So there's no telling what the kids might say when you ask them a question, because that's the best part about this is the answers that they give. Would you ask him a question? Some of those kids are really funny and really clever.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I love it. So that's great, all right. These two teams, the Mariners and the Mets playing in this game. Mariners run fire a great trade deadline. The Mets have been wishy washy to be nice to what they've done since the trade deadline. The Mariners, we keep thinking, have a great chance to win the West. Can the Mets make up the ground on the Phillies in the East and make a deep playoff run the way they're assembled? And can the Mariners, Gosh, I can't believe about to say this actually get to the World Series and win it.

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Speaker 2: I think the Mariners are good enough to get to the World Series and win it, because I'm just not sure, even in a stout National League, that there's a team out there that you look at and say, this team's gonna win the World Series. You know, the Dodgers are still the best team for me. Once they get everybody healthy and playing the way they should be. But the Padres are really good, the Phillies are really good. The Brewers are the best team in baseball. The Cubs can really hit. But the Mariners have something different now. They have a really good starting rotation, which hasn't been great this year, and it's eventually is gonna be at its best before this year is over. The bullpen is load with power arms, but most important, they're one through six in the order. This might be the most formidable lineup they've had that I've seen from the Mariners in maybe twenty five years. So I think they have a chance to go to the World Series for the first time. And yes, I think they have a chance to win it now. Again, you could say that about six, seven, eight other teams right now, but to leave the Mariners out of the equation would be a mistake. As for the Mets, I don't see why they don't score more runs, and maybe last night was the start of good offense to come. I don't think they're going to run down the rundown the Phillies because of the Phillies starting rotation, but I think the Mets are going to make the playoffs, and if you make the playoffs in today's day and age, you have a chance to go a long way.

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Speaker 4: Are the Mets a team that will be disappointed to be a wild card in the sense that they put all this money into Juan Soto, But at the beginning of the season they knew they're starting pitching, wasn't they had Sham and ayah. They were hoping David Peterson was awesome and he's been awesome from there. They didn't solidify a pitching type of player that is equivalent to the Juan Soto type of position player.

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Speaker 2: If they just make the playoffs, I don't think it's going to be a big disappointment, because, you know, as a wild card, because they played so poorly here, they had the best record in baseball in the middle of June, and two months later they're struggling to make the playoffs. So I think if they're completely honest, they'll just say, all right, get us in the playoffs. We'll take our chances from there. Now, if you ask them, should we have won this division, they'll probably say, well, yeah, but we played poorly for two months. That has to end, and I think it will. I think they're going to score a bunch more runs. And I'm with you, Eric, I don't see their starting pitching as being so good that they're just going to overtake the Phillies and then you know, run the table in October. But they're still a dangerous team. Like I said, you get in the playoffs in October. In baseball anymore, you have a chance.

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Speaker 1: Tim, how do you think the first season has gone for Juan Soto. I we haven't talked about him as much lately, but what would be your evaluation of year one of the biggest contract of all time.

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Speaker 2: Well, he hasn't been the player I thought he would be. I mean, he's been productive. He's hit a bunch of homers, a lot of them with nobody on base. He is way better than a two point fifty hitter or whatever he's hitting right now. It's right around there, and I think he's gonna get hot. I just think he's too good of a hitter to struggle like this. And when I say struggle, he should be hitting over three hundred. He's that good of a hitter. I just think it's been an adjustment. I think, like it was in San Diego, was an adjustment there you know, when he walks in, there are a bunch of other star players there. I think it takes him and everyone else a little bit time to figure out where everybody's going. Although it didn't take much time with the Yankees. He was really good right away and all season for them. Same thing hasn't happened with the Mets. But again, there's six weeks to go, and I fully expect him to get really hot and carry them into the playoffs. I've been saying that all year. I think it's gonna happen. It just really truly hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Tim, I have the Yankees Cardinals this weekend on Fox on Saturday. Yankees. What's going on in New York? We keep saying, don't blame Marin Boon, it's just the way the roster was assembled. But can this team be dangerous if they get into the postseason? Because right now they're teetering on the edge, also with the Guardians chasing them down. Do you think the Yankees can be dangerous if they get into the postseason?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Again, Aj, everyone's dangerous in the postseason because no, no, no, no, But they're no great teams out there. Do I think the Yankees are going to make the playoffs, Yes, barely I do. Would I make them the favorite when they get to October, Absolutely not. But if you tell me that the Tigers are just going to overwhelm people in October, the answer is no. Neither the Mariners or the Astros, or the Rangers or the Blue Jays or anybody else with no dominant team. I think the Yankees could be dangerous if Aaron Judge is at his best and John Carlos Stanton swings the bat like he always does in October seemingly, and Anthony Volpi has been hot lately. But there's also just as good a chance that the Yankees won't even make the playoffs, or they get there and their bullpen lets him down, or they become the all or nothing Yankees who don't seem to be able to get a big hit when they need them and still live and die with a homer and then make two terrible base running mistakes in one weekend. So they are a flawed team. There's no doubt. I'm just saying all the teams in the American League are flawed. Giving the Yankees a chance.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 1: The American League has not looked like he usually does really the last couple of years now, at least in my opinion. We'll see you know if that changes going forward. Awesome to have you on. Thank you for double coverage this week on the FT network. You were great on Fair Territory the other day, and just want to remind everyone on your way out, you're going to be part of ESPN's Baseball tonight coverage live onsite from Williams Support. We talked about it earlier in this conversation. It sounds awesome. It's always super fun. It is must watch seven o'clock Eastern Sunday. It's the Mets and the Mariners. Thank you so much, Tim. Good to see you all right, boys, see it, Thank you, see it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 5: That's what he said.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. All right, So we've got more on this lawsuit with shohy Otani defending himself against the real estate developer and the guy that was going to do the sales, and they both got fired and they said that Otani's camp intervened. They said it was really coming from his representation. But your representation represents who does representation represent?

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Speaker 4: Guys?

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Speaker 5: Easiest question I'll ever.

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Speaker 3: Ask a player. Yeah, you personally right.

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Speaker 1: So if they're doing it, they're speaking for you even though it's not him. In BOD, I don't think anybody expected Otani on phone calls being like, hey, if you don't do what I say, I'm pulling out of this real estate deal and getting you fired. But somebody is doing that and representing you, and they're accusing this situation of happening. So Sam Blum doing the good work for the athletic. He spoke to Josh Schiller, head of sports and gaming at a law firm that I can't pronounce, but they represent the two guys that are going after Otani and Nesblelo his representation they Shiller said they tried to negotiate a resolution privately, so they tried to settle and they were unable to resolve the matter. He also said that Bilello became a destructive force by inserting himself into every aspect of the relationship. These are all allegations. He alleged that they responded to business matters with stonewalling and hostility while threatening default if he didn't get his way, so I guess not paying for the property as well. They still caused you know, a lot of ruck is here if they actually did get these two guys fired, which is what they are accusing. The defendants of large portions of the lawsuit are redacted. The plaintiffs filed a subsequent request to lift the redactions from the initial plate. That means that the law firm and the developer that are suing Otani wanted things to be stated publicly, and there's certain information that is at least at the moment, being held back. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 5: There and later.

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Speaker 1: The lawyer for them also said that he doesn't think they have a case for countersuing, and he doesn't think they have a case for an NIL breach NIL as in name, image likeness, where you know Otani originally signed on where they could do certain things with him for this real estate project as far as marketing it and saying, hey, Otani lives here. But I guess Otani's camp thinks they went too far, get ugly. And the thing that stood out to me was that they were talking and they were I guess working on at least according to the plaintiff side, and they didn't figure it out, so it starts to make things more public. I guess they could have avoided all of this. Now the other side could have been asked for a lot of money. They're fighting it, but this this is messy. This is not clean. As we learn more about what's going on here and aj I know we talked about it yesterday, the comments.

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Speaker 5: Are literally the political spectrum.

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Speaker 1: You have one side that wants to accuse Aatwani of everything for the last two years. Right, he's in on this, He's in on that. I think that's crazy. You have the other side that's like, how dare anybody even talk about this topic, like you're unfairly targeting him. Well, maybe somebody's unfairly targeting him, but we're just covering the story. And then most people are in the middle, like this is a pretty crappy situation to be involved in, and things are gonna, you know, get very public and very ugly. If there's a rich history here between the two parties, and this real estate project's been going on for ten plus years and Otani's been signed on since twenty twenty three, so there's going to be some history between these two of back and forth that would think you don't want public. But if he truly believes that he's the right, he's going to fight it. It's just that he's not going to be able to maintain a lot of privacy during that time period.

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Speaker 3: No, you're right, there's a lot of things that could come out, and Otani's a very private person. But what did he sign? What did Otani sign? What did Nesblelo sign on his behalf?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: What did What was the agreement they had? You said yesterday, Scott that there was an uh that I believe you said there was a video of Otani talking about this place and how excited he wherever he was for it. So I don't know. He can't say if there's that video, then he can't say he didn't know anything about it, because at some point nes Bolelo had to come to him and say, hey, we need to make this video for.

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Speaker 5: This Oh yeah, he knows about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the rumors that there's some type of promotional voiceover or something like that, right there, there was some type of marketing agreement that was made. We'll find out more of the details of what that agreement was. I don't think any everything's been released yet. But yeah, let's not act like someone is signing houses to his name.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, this whole thing is I'm just fast by what's going to come out of this because I don't know, Like I'm not a lawyer. I just play one on you and crats get into a fight and I'm like a divorce lawyer, so I have to play that on the show. But other than that, I don't know enough about this. But it's going to be fascinating once all the details start coming out of this and what they are trying to get out of Otani. What Otani's trying to you know, say he did what nez Bilolo says he did? What Now the company, of course, the company that came out said oh, no, everything's fine, this is a great yeah, because they have how much money invests two hundred and fifty million, seventeen million dollar homes. This isn't like it's a you know, it's it's it's mobile homes and places that are very affordable for the normal person. This is a place that is you know, exclusive as it gets right. So of course the group that is going to come out and say, oh, everything's perfect, nothing to see here, nothing to see here, just keep on building, right, So of course they're going to say that. So what happens next is going to be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's going to be a lot more investigative work by good journalists like Sam Blum to keep figuring things out and krats. The general public's going to be interested in this. This is one of the most famous human beings on the planet.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and when you're under a microscope. And I think part of this not saying it would go away, but Showhayed very rarely makes himself available to answer any questions. AJ has said this countless times. AJ has been an all star. He was a borderline superstar. My word really doesn't matter, Like I can come out and say something people don't really care. But when you're a star, people want to hear what you have to say. If he would speak more, I think there'd be less people on the side of Oh, he was definitely involved with the epay stuff. He's definitely involved with this. He is this bad guy. The only reason people are saying that is because they don't know anything. And everybody on the other side is like, no, he's perfect. Why is he perfect? Have you ever heard him say he's perfect? Have you ever seen him put himself out there in a situation? No, Like, there's there's a he has a shroud of secrecy that I think situations like this may be able to be diffused in the public eye if he were able to, if he would come out and just.

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Speaker 2: Just chatter, just talk with the boys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll probably get a statement or something. Obviously, it's a lawsuit, so right now you're not gonna get much. And you know you can be strategic with when you put the lawsuit out. You know, it happens to come out when the Angels are playing the Dodgers. We're in the thick of the baseball season, you know. I mean usually have a time period where if you feel like there's what I'm doing, you can sue. So that's the right of the plaintiff, and then you can defend yourself in counter suit. So to be continued. We learned a little bit more from Sam Blom getting some quotes.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure people are gonna start digging they settle.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like you said, though, people are gonna start digging are pretty quick, pretty deep into this guy. Because there's a lot of money involved in this.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot redacted. That was the other thing about.

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Speaker 1: So if there's a lot redacted, that means most likely it's eventually going to come out again unless there is a settlement. And sometimes this stuff like starts to eat its way to publicity, and then it gets pulled back where the other side's like, hey, I don't want to deal with this, let's settle. That often is the case in lawsuits. But if not, it is going to be a to be continued situation. We'll keep covering it.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, that's step two, day two of the saga.