Episode 18 - Dark Angels- why they are fun to play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty Kaylor cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K. Lorcats with me, John Varsati and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy, I'm pointing out right now that every single episode, every single take that he has said, my name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have double thumbs to me every time and I need people to know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one will ever see it because we're not doing this on video.
[SPEAKER_02]: hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: The John is in witness protection and he cannot tell you where he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not though John does the editing and I barely functional and audio editing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to step on it in the video editing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was unfair because I was drinking when he said that and I almost died.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brett almost spit wine all over the microphone that made my after saying I barely functional auto editing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a curveball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Episode three of our Dark Angels coverage is like we did with the Orcs.
[SPEAKER_00]: This episode is going to be devoted more to why people should play Dark Angels, why we enjoy the Dark Angels Army, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will caveat this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have never played Dark Angels in my entire life, and I have
[SPEAKER_00]: I have played dark games opponents who I like a lot and I've enjoyed playing them, but I've always hated playing their army.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I do have a lot of respect for the army.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to cap you out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what we're going to start with.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going off notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because we're going to go into one of the things that just we disagree on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think
[SPEAKER_02]: The cloaks and cows are awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that you said those are dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that I think they're dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that unlike you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I paint my models and painting cloaks and cows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, there's people here who are painters, they're like, we talked about this incredibly easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to let you guys know, it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm still, I've been playing this game long enough, but not long enough that I still fully assemble all my models and then try to paint them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's going to be tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cloaks and cowls bad cloaks and cowls bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love that that look for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it pushes the first thing that we have here, which is the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the Dark Angels lore a ton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, I'm pretty excited about the last two casts.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a big thing on this is it gives him that feel that that Dark Angels lore feel of me grim resolve is their special rule and always has been their special role.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it really encompasses what they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the look of secrecy of, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say, it's a forty case is the Grimdark universe in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's more Grimdark than the Dark Angels?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're, they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe death courts of Creeg, but that's the only thing I think of that's more, that's more Grimdark in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just, they're just sad Grimdark.
[SPEAKER_00]: That corpse of Creeg just died.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dark Angels technically win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about the Dark Angels in their lawyers, they are the poster child of shitty imperial things are awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: What does the Dark Angels say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, your job, your duties.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You like your duty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you ever not do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite quotes is from a game that probably doesn't play it on this, but one of my favorites, and I think it's a Dark Angels for sure, which is, well,
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that death is actually takes you either to the hells or, you know, volatile type thing, because only a lazy warrior would stop doing his duty and fighting in death.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how I feel that the dark ages are like, well, of course I'm going to keep doing this awful thing because it's what I'm supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's dive into that a bit about the lore of the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Dark Angels are a function that is purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are purpose driven.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is their thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about all the different rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's duty in prayer?
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: The duty is the purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the biggest thing is is that they are also a, their lore is driven by the ends just to find the means.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I'll give the same thing I did before, which is the operative of serenity.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not supposed to live in the society.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just trying to create the society.
[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, that ship sailed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a delicate angel's purpose from a lower standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: It translates one of the tabletop is they take no prisoners, they grant no trusses.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no quarterback in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are, they're here to kill and really kind of makes them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they do occasionally take prisoners.
[SPEAKER_02]: The interrogated chaplain's take prisoners and you so wanted to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want prisoners.
[SPEAKER_02]: You eventually just get killed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't give me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, you take a longer on the flow chart of not taking prisoners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they kind of took a prisoner, but not really.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just, you took longer to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: than everybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you play Forty Kay, you wouldn't kill off your opponents.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is here on me for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you just want a communism than the death, you could play the town.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's swinging on town, non-stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But another cool thing to be touched on this in the last episode is that the falling element of the dark angels also, yeah, fine now is the reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been the fallen for how many decades?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, three.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, and it's been three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the percent of my life they've been the fallen I'm going to go with falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three months versus thirty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to use math.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the fallen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a cool thing of like when you apply the table top because me personally, I hear mere matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's just it's narratively doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're playing works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the totally makes complete sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a weird thing to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: the only time that the dark angels it actually makes sense because maybe you're the falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and this is my favorite show not the F because right now we're looking through our mind and because does the opponent know you were a fallen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the fallen most of literally most of the fallen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't know they were the fallen either.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the think about the newest book, the line is getting the risen now, but they become that because in their explaining to him, hey, man, all we knew before we got teleported halfway across the galaxy was our brothers were shooting at us.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you blew up the planet and when anybody did saw me, they shot a boulder at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was literally watching TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's an important piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: We call them the fallen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they never go into the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're never, you know, they're never tempted by cats.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the vast majority of them, never even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some are more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the crazy thing is, is some of the fallen are fallen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the other fallen were, not even some, eighty percent of the fallen were just dudes that happened to be on duty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And got launched somewhere out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because Caliban was enveloped by a warp storm.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't it wasn't like Caliban was somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these people went to because they were going to turn on the lion.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all just happened to be there and transport got turned off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess I live here now and also you did put the guys that are in charge of being traders in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, we were already here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We weren't traders.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were just dudes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're just, but my boss is a trader.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the old.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, I'm not allowed to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because of the black cloud that's over the planet right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make my movie or myself clerks discussing all the employees and the death star they got blown up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were just a dude, you know, working in the cafeteria.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look man, contractors know what jobs they take job.
[SPEAKER_00]: To do working in the cafeteria, making the food for the storm troopers also got blown up with the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the best part about this is if you want to go deep dark, the dark angels keep so many secrets.
[SPEAKER_02]: from other Dark Angels and the other Dark Angels, if you're not in first or second company, part of the inner circle and also part of the Raven Wing, aren't part of the inner circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're not those guys, you have been told for the last, um, carry the one, eleven thousand years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't ask a lot of questions, Joe, you'll find out when you level up basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just go, that's just how we do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is literally our culture as Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you, and also remember, we go do sketchy shit all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the cool thing about Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Dark Angels are, it is where I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I made the note.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could be playing dark angels and don't realize you are the fallen because this is just how the dark is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So many secrets in the dark angels, your models are keeping a secret from you as to which army you're even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could be the bad guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And being the good guys doesn't mean you don't do bad guys shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, you know, here's my thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like saying liquid hot plasma as much as I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah, let's dive into some of the weapons that the dark angels get to use.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the first one and the primary one and kind of the only one is plasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: plasma talent, plasma speeders.
[SPEAKER_00]: They take every model in the space marine line and slap plasma on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like the when Brad grew up in the seventies people putting flames on cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just driving my old communities.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's right, I was gonna put a pickup that's on cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good arugas.
[SPEAKER_00]: But seriously though, do you think Plasma's cool?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to play space marines?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you upset that the space marines don't have enough plasma?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Dark Angels got you covered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they got you covered hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they, I mean, to be fair, if you wanted to destroy your enemy,
[SPEAKER_00]: and remove them from existence, how about super hot energy beam?
[SPEAKER_00]: How about we'll liquefy them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just disintegrate them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not there anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, also.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also makes them look really cool for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that will save my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: The plasma guns actually want to liquefy them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the cool guys again rules have been hit miss pretty bad throughout the editions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's a reason I do like the reason that plasma's bad in the period because they've lost most of their tech because they're saying prayers to the guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, it'd be cooler if you fix this instead of pulling water on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Having it explode on me and blow me up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because you again set a prayer to it, as opposed to just feeling, hey, man, you could fix this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd blessed it with incense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dating John Diatribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always say my plasma is just as dangerous from pure guards.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is for space marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to say, late, it's the same result, but the value of points in the model that died is a lot higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you guys can always go to the towel and find stable plasma.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then they put the towel like the Jehovah's Witnesses, the galaxy, then they're going to have to talk to you for a while about all the reasons their plasma's better.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you and you guys basically just created your own plasma.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just sick like I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather go to the works.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the great things about playing, and this is the thing, I can't, if you're playing Forty Kay, and I'm a competitive player, but I can't tell you enough how cool Crusade and narratives are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and playing Dark Angels in a Crusade or narrative league,
[SPEAKER_02]: is super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We actually probably should do an episode on the value of narrative, and that because Crusades knew where to the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about doing a lower cast, and you know, in all candor bread, and I both bread much more than I do play very competitive, but we both enjoy a narrative style.
[SPEAKER_00]: We try to write lists that have a theme unless they certain someone's going to LDO and decide to take a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: This bat doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That may or may not have happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's been a trader at one point or another, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just because my head is too bills on us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I would say though is that the Dark Angels play really well would be, but they didn't want to play narrative.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dark Angels are incredible on me to play narrative.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can really do some against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: because they only works.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to dive into that some more in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, why?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bitter because they have a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, they have ancient technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: They use shit that you're not supposed to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're still using shit that you're not supposed to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they also use our cake versions of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: even that speeder, the last speeder ventures.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm saying, we're talking about plasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just certain things like that, they use, and it's fantastic on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, they give you a great lure in those narrative games, and that they have a little bit of an awesome name characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things I like about narrative is in Biasa Crusade.
[SPEAKER_02]: is making your own guy and level them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Level them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're both the indie players.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about gaining experience and then leveling up that just feels, but it's the way that I know how to play games.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you allow me to do it in games, basically, if you give me a game where I can't level up or improve myself, I actually don't enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dash.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about this is it's fantastic to just think about the role playing version of it and that your guys getting into the inner circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because then you know, you get to know the secrets of the inner circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, one of the other things that in game, not just narrative, but in the game itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have wildly different ways to play the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is super unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't see this, especially within Imperium factions, this level of diversity of play.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's other, there's other factions that have a unique way, like space wolves of all, we'll see them when they get their book.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, certain things blood angels, face was sometimes salamanders with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a certain stick.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have their way of playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they don't have multiple ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have one way of playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have multiple... Darkings are multiple ways in their own chapter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, for instance, let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about where you buy me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the note I had here is basically, if you want to go fast, the simply put the board, they give you forty four inches by sixty inches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the, the show note is or whatever that isn't that tricky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what forty four by sixty inches.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably like seven hundred thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're Americans.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is that centimeters?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's probably two thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's some level of centimeter and meter, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of used all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people rock up to a table and they say, I want to use all of this table and movement wins for the K games and it's also gives you so many options with it, the Raven Wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Raven wings were talking about their second company on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Raven Wing is all about bikes, speeders, any way that you can go hell of fast, and they've got great rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've always had great rules for doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pre-game moves, extra moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: shooting after you move when other people can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really nice because of the fact that you can play a full... There's a lot of armies that can bring speeders and bikes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can bring them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, can you bring all of them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you bring an entire army of them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you give them an, it still feels narrative?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the, what's narrative plus compared to what it's talk about here is like, okay, going back to our work episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I love Orcs is there's ways you can play Orcs and you can put an Orc army in the board that is a certain style.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Orcs, the Orc Codex, despite not actually being in that big, gives you that flexibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to get the dark angels cut, cut, cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only two main play styles.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives you, but they give you a full play style all within that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are not sitting there kind of like.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Death wing, rave wing, red green dot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, green dot, but not enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: The raven wing, you can play the raven wing, purely as raven wing, and you're not having to make bad choices in order to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can almost play these guys narrative in a competitive set.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, to think about it, like, in, uh, I don't remember even in the eighth or ninth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ogden Tom Ogden brought Raven Wing was topping multiple tournaments.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it felt very Raven Wing, you know, to be the big felt like Raven Wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was super highly competitive, but it also man it played exactly like the Lord did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I anytime you can tell me that I can play,
[SPEAKER_02]: something that fills extra lore and make it good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a double win.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's dive into some of the pieces of Raybling that are like, well, the first one we have to, we have to touch on AR the Black Knights and I say we have to because I don't want to because they were good at one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the coolest models.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a, they should be fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a biker so you can drive a bike, you can shoot plasma and hit me with an axe.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a special plasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got your Corvus, your hammer, the model looks cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have not been good in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because they were, they were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have been a decade to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, that wasn't that long ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like just yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yesterday, but they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: This, so this is probably the only negative in this whole list.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to make here of Ravenming models because it is a very, very cool looking model that unfortunately doesn't play them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you like bikes, I think it's the best looking space marine bike.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they also make the best use of one of my favorite things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to give it as bullets put it in the bikes, attack bikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've had good uses over the years for attack bikes and regular bikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of like the idea of supercharged ghost riders running across again.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have no idea what they're driving with, figured out yourself because they have a weapon in each hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what they're doing, but things are going down.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're driving the bike.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they've had really good use of all of the bikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Regular bikes, black nights, and attack bikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done tons with them, and they've had tons of success with one of the models that's usually used only for a scoring piece, which is Lance Peters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's have a Lance here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Lance Peters is something that the raven, I have been seeing Dark Angels put Lance Peters in the board for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think, I think, with the exception of a couple times, they got pointed wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever seen them on the board cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Typhoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's I'm saying, like it was just, but that's where, and even then, it was usually by Dark Dark Angels players.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was, they are the only ones
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to shoot on Lance videos a minute from it here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been playing the game Dawn of War on my PC.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I say since it came out, I played it today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that since it came out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the only time I ever run a land speeder is when it's just part of, it's one of the free things I get started at the start of the mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how badly I think about land speeders with the exception being raven wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: raven wing land speeders are
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're talking a real landscape.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people who be like, I took Lance Peter's store.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we're not talking about the transport.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about a speeder with some guns doing some damage, because usually it bounced and did nothing, but the Raven Wing version is amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has been fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will wreck you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get later into the character version of it, which is even nastier, but the Raven Wing, the... Yeah, the dark shroud and you got the Lance Peter vengeance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Lance Peter, the dark shroud is
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also gives you minus one to head.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've just stopped the wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that they've got.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got a lot of good speed or options to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, and of course they have a plasma speeder because wine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we'll get to one of Brad's favorite elements of the game or airplanes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm with Brad on this actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are two airplanes in the game that I think are cool and only two.
[SPEAKER_00]: One is every plane as the Orcsone, because all of the Orcsanes are objectively funny, they're useless, and I like the dark talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it does have the riff cannon on it, which is pretty gross, and it's cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: From a lower standpoint, the riff cannon,
[SPEAKER_00]: moves you out of the material into the image.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it literally creates a riff between the warp and reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the ultimate, as we talked earlier from a lower standpoint, the dark came to those purposes to remove things from existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how about I remove you from this plain of existence?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also one of the most sucky guns for you because if it doesn't grab all of you, some of you goes into the warp and some of you doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's always a bummer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always nice when your two options are die or going to the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing, what I reason I'm going to, I thought we should talk about the dark calendar is aesthetically, it looks a lot better than the rest of the planes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It had just the angles that it takes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen paint jobs put in these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you just take the standard on the box paint job that is presented by GW, it's still cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I wish it would be probably should have mentioned the fact that Dark Angel's colors are black, dark green with a little bit of white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two of those colors, Brad can see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that you meant to say that the dark angels colors are black and white.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Brad's not aware that there's actually some shading done on dark angels that are shaded.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is concept.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad's color blind, those who don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do really like, and this is one of the things I like, and I hope we go back, and I'm going to give you a little bit of rant before we continue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I really enjoy when chapters, factions, it doesn't matter what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have
[SPEAKER_02]: You make things to that faction.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the faction that whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So things like dark talents even though they're like flyers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that you can't be ultra marines and get a dark talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like character in my armies.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I like Ravenway things that you know you're playing dark angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see Ravenway that's
[SPEAKER_02]: on Dark Angels only thing exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we talked about it in the lore that the first Legion is a secretive Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, yes, as we discussed in the first episode, some of the tactics that they developed, they would share with other legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also develop their own weaponry, their own vehicles, etc.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we discussed here, that they didn't share with our lesions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's really cool about playing Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can access to things no one else has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultramarines have about five hundred characters no one else has, but only a couple units, Brad's laughing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tried playing every Ultramarine character in an event.
[SPEAKER_01]: True story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we've done a lot on Ravenway now.
[SPEAKER_00]: What if?
[SPEAKER_00]: you have a bad back, or you just get tired easily, moving models around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or note wise, what it'd be easier to use a shuffleboard stick to push your models a few inches ever, just by the way, a few inches.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that how the thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then congratulations.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just discovered Deathwing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deathwing is the first company is basically the all inner circle, all terminator option for dark angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't my cup of T as far as my play style because I do want to go fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to move stuff all over the place, but lore wise, I love the idea of this extermination force going down and going, you guys can all stay up in the battle barges because we have to go
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk to these guys down here, and you're like, so we're gonna kill everybody, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that's a little bit complicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: From a lower standpoint, this plays on the board, the way the lore is written, better than almost anything in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because our terminators are worth a shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terminator's for those of you who don't know have been hot garbage on multiple additions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were broken a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the there was space walls with?
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were still.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just good.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing is is death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dark angels death wing has been the only time and they've always been good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was a sim can play it in second.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, they've always been good and the thing is is that other terminators have been trash multiple addition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, while the wallet death in term is a hundred percent good death in term is don't die, and so those you don't know a termator armor is we made a good talk episode and termator armor Terminator armor is you wearing a tank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you have a foot thick ceremony all around you
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tactical.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tactical.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are wearing a tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, guards been kill you with with last guns, drives me crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm less, you're the first purchase ever was terminated by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of us, because it's the coolest looking model.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they got shot by a command squad of Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to quit the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is that the death we terminators on the board are fantastic because they have the secrets, they are durable as shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, they have so many guys that carry banners and I am such a dork about banners.
[SPEAKER_00]: And aesthetically, these are awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your regular terminators, depending on your addition, look anywhere from kind of cool all the way through amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the amazing is deathway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the black nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the black nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got cowels.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got, you care about death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Death, death, death.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can customize them.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, you want, and they look awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: With huge banners, they look sick as hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're first company of deathwing, deathwing nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: It comes with the flails of the unforgiving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the flails.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they look super cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that these are in addition to the regular night, the regular terminators.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Death Wing Command Squad, which is the best command squad in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fight me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it has been forever because they can add the best characters into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, banners, I'm just saying, like, you, this is a cool looking army.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can be the most bland army because you can just make them black and white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I heard there's apparently some green.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's green in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's actually quite a lot of green.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so black and white army.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's dark green.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, a black and white army.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in that black and white, or you can like literally juice these guys out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just really hit your suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So old, you see the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've never changed TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that color?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't really see anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not aware of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this army can look foolish and it also just relentlessly pushes the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is what terminators are supposed to be, which is when you go, what's your special rule?
[SPEAKER_02]: Grim resolve?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, this plays exactly like you think they would play.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's an important piece when you talk about terminators is anyone who's played the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's annoying when you
[SPEAKER_00]: spend the time, especially as customized bullseys are to build, paint your dark angels, your dark angels, your dark angels will turn meters, put them on the board and they just die instantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That will not happen when you're playing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, they, they, you will, they're not as terrible as they were in nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a blast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy crap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can, I mean, we can do a quick side story about ninth edition and the Atlantic city open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a glance that he was Cherokee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I may or may not have crowdsourced whether I should have charged.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also was stalling time until I went to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: a bread went to the hospital after playing this army.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got beat up so bad by definitely terminators that they put me in the the yard.
[SPEAKER_00]: You rolled how many shots of of last kind of stuff?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was also that in the meltdowns.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, yes, last kind of in the meltdowns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me carry the one.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many did I kill out of the unit that I killed that I shot for three turns?
[SPEAKER_00]: zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In three turns because the bad rising obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming they just mailed the letter to me that said, would you please stop shooting at us?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's annoying us because that's they had plenty of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have literally gave me a dear Brad letter and just Bradley.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I'm going to stop is for those who
[SPEAKER_00]: like one of play kind of a really grim result.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that you can play them is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You pick an objective, that player against talking to those persons, they can be very good at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: They pick an objective and they say, this is my objective.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you put down your death wing terminators who do have grim results.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to say, I'm not moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can shoot out me with everything you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, if you decide to come close to me, I'm going to kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really, so what they do is it's an army, they actually play ironically, kind of how custodes should play, where they move, they move up the board and conquer the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slowly, but consistently, this is my, and there's nothing behind me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all those guys get some new rules, the custodes players are going to be mad at you for even bringing them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get that, but my point is I'm actually making the one that custodians probably should also play like this, but for some reason don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the idea, if you want to play, you know, I was being facetish about having a bad back and not going to move very much, but it is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea of the death wing is that they go to an area and they remove all the enemy in that area and move on to the next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the Ravenwinger kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: jumping in here and there, taking shots, they should work in theory together.
[SPEAKER_00]: The raven wing go ahead and they disrupt the supply lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They isolate the units and then you're sitting there as the opponent looking around going, hey, where is all my support?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the death wing shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's kind of large.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because there you can shoot them all the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the raven wing, drove away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yeah, the great one you're going and the death wing or just sitting there, you can shoot at us all you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to basically run a bullet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you do, we're going to get to you and it's going to be over.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the Michael Myers of four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, let's get into the thing that actually really draws me to Dark Angels is their special characters, their leaders have been cool shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is like before we got the lion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is, we thought we've had the lion for six months, nine months now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you had them for them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, don't, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did get them at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we write about, yeah, we've had a lion for about six months.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had the real lion for a couple months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had the dark angels leaders for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: As real chapter master always meaning his rules are good now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can't attach anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: GW list to me in this bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But his powers were nuts for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said really cool lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he said really cool rules for, yes, forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, back when he gave a four up invulnered everything within six inches on the board, he was gross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Blial leading the death wing, terminator, and one of the coolest characters, because he also can be taken two different ways, Samuel.
[SPEAKER_02]: the leader of the raven wing, which by the way, they literally are so different that they made a chapter master for the different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that hype's from this is important thing is that we talked this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: You really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could run these guys so fluffy yet be competitive because you're not in this situation where you're kind of wedging this character in who doesn't like, oh, I'm running raven wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, my Hierami are bikes and speeders, and I got these three dudes who are trying to run real fast on foot.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I've got guys and bikes and speeders who are exceptional to the whole army moves as one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Led by a guy that could either take a speeder or a bike, Sam, who I think is super cool in just the fact that you're like, hey, I'm leading this style because they've done this a lot of times in the game, guys don't have the in-game.
[SPEAKER_02]: ability to be the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: Insamiel does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, cough, cough.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about the white scars in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the guys might not have access to a bike that should be on a bike, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, I'm kind of yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, but uh, Sam feels like literally driving around.
[SPEAKER_02]: going super fast with cool rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: And their characters are like pretty badass in the fact that they really feel like they are death wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are Raven Wing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: As real does feel like he's got great buff powers for whoever's in the army because he is the overall
[SPEAKER_02]: Master of of of the Dark Angels, which is really cool because they've always had pretty good fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't say I'm going over one of my boys Zikil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Super Cooper cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the master of a specific set of powers, psychic powers that come with the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: which was super cool on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a great caster and then you've got the guy that you don't want to meet ever in a dark alley and in probably a basement.
[SPEAKER_02]: As would I.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as Medeys, for those who aren't aware, let's go through real quick, as Medeys lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does bad shit all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his title should be Master of Sick torture, but he's supposed to be one of the good guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the good guy interrogator.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he also will beat your ass before on the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every character that we talk about has appeared in a book significantly, and they're awesome on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they literally Thunderdome.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a good translation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say that the Dark Angels from Lord Booklor, Codexlor, to table top, might be the top.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they can make the argument that they are at the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think of the loyalists, they're the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: The trader is obviously getting it more, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think deathguarder.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they feel really good from Lord to table.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a real reason to play them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it can more and more past.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should be that's why we.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing is this is what we start with these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are if you if you're looking this is not a late.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is probably the dark angels players might be high-fiving themselves and they'll say this, but for those of you who are looking for a space marine faction to play and I think well, you know, I want to deep history one, I want to be able to make a backstory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the dark angels are the one because then you can you can make up a full backstory of your army.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they can be pedadously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and completely, it is the only, there's only a few people that can play narratively and competitively without a significant change in the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing that I'm not going to lie at the narrative, you play a narrative of dark angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might have an OP army.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might ask you to bring different ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they're narrative you can make an argument that this is an amazing army in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, let's talk about one of the main reasons to play.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got a primer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're one of the two loyalists that have a primer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sorry, Ultra Reigns, guys, but you can do a bad amount.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to badmouth Bobby G, but I'm just saying, if I'm looking for someone to kick ass and take names,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Bobby.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's his sword is kind of cool, but that I'm just saying that but literally the lion just showed up, like literally went, hey man, what's going on, guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh shit, is that anger on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll just crush his skull.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, the fucking time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying Lion came out of Stasis with an attitude that you know Lion also also don't put the helmet on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will again fight me over it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Middle-aged Lion who has seen some shits and models literally scel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, literally scel.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks like Tywin Lannister, but unhappy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, easy and a lot bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, slightly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a slightly bigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's no Luther.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll never escape your eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't play Dark Kings, but if I did, I would actually put a Luther on my line just for scale.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone can understand how useless Luther
[SPEAKER_02]: There is a special rule that was called eternal hatred, and I feel like you have that for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's poor writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have an issue with poor writing, and it's a poor writing to pretend due to on Calaband equals primarck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of the reasons I love the Lion, especially in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: changes price, but dude's got a two up three up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks cool as shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can wreck you.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can wreck big things and small things.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a, what's called a sweep attack, which means he can make a multitude of tax or he can focus swing and be the hell out of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what I really like is that he has powers that buff everybody around him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a primer.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can little competitive diet tribe here, but they have always struggled with balancing problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gilliman, at one point in the introduction, may have been the best model.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with the lion, this, and this is, again, why you should play with the primar?
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about playing narrative and then playing narrative competitively.
[SPEAKER_00]: The primar class you do that, because what the primar, what a primar case is, it gives you a centerpiece model.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when we talk about primar, just for the record, there is Gilliman.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is the lion.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is angron.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it for blood and madness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are your, and if you've ever seen any of those models, you're saying, they are,
[SPEAKER_00]: a signature piece of your art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, three of them are demon primaries that are in the chops.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll foot tall on the barn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they'll have wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting how they all get wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, don't know why they do wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they fly on a side case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what the lion gives you but he also travels yeah by the power of his mind yes but the lion gives you on the table top is he is your force multiplier which is really great for me to jump credits to him but and I don't want this to be a competitive conversation I'm talking about from a lower standpoint when he as we discussed in the last couple cast the dark angels
[SPEAKER_00]: before the arrival of the line, the darkening was after arrival, a line were a different fighting force.
[SPEAKER_00]: His mere presence made them better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's really cool with having a park because it actually does that for your army.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's so great about this is if you want to play an army that we talk about lore, that plays like the lore, that's how it plays like the lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put your primarck down and anything that's even present with the primarck performs better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, well, they should.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to do a side in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that all of the primarks should have their own detachment.
[SPEAKER_02]: That won't make any sense to you that don't play the game right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just know the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that if you bring it a primarke, you should have access to a primarke detachment.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even care what they're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is that they do in the lore when they are around
[SPEAKER_02]: They, the, in multiple books of the mere presence of the primar showing up, changed a battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, did he make a plan?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, no, they just, they hit harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people literally, people shot harder.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, just, my, my bullets, my last kind and did more damage because I was standing next to the lion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, you're just inspired.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that I love him on the board because he looks cool also feel free to bring the heat to the lion and tap the dish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the one thing I will say is don't don't charge the lion fights versus a hell of a drug don't the lion they made him
[SPEAKER_00]: He is the number one Knight of Caliban.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you should.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should probably just shoot him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you touch the lion, but again, good job, GW on the Lord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of all of your primarics, it is the lion and angron are the two that you don't want touching you and both of them in the game if they touch you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, bad things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're very, very, very.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like him a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think that dark angels are doing really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited for this book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that we're all looking at the book right now and saying they did a great job on that last coat of seas to give you W. Perhaps and people tell them I'm a shale all the time for it, but I actually really enjoyed renting the dish right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how this, this, this, ages.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as of right now, they've done a great job in the courtesy so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just in time for a bunch of broken codex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was saying, now in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of conclude the Dark Angel coverage, especially with this piece, around like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Dark Angels are, and I wrote a Dark Faction.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they were the, they were the embers, not assassin, they were the embers, dirty deed doers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said killing force, I really, it has to be said they did the shit that had to be done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, it was the shit that had to be done that you got no,
[SPEAKER_00]: that no one could know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, credit for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they were turned from that into the nights of the round table by the prime mark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who was it uplifted them made them beautiful only to be betrayed by their own and so now they're scouring the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that's one of my, it is kind of one of my favorite parts of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be talking about the Dark Angels that they're obsessed with clearing their name and killing everyone in the galaxy who's aware of that betrayal except that no one in the galaxy knows they know about the betrayal including some of the people they're killing didn't know that they betrayed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's some a lot to be honest, probably most.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, I don't know why you guys are shooting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, you could have known about stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I don't know who you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who you are, but yeah, my still gonna shoot you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dark angels are amazing for this reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why I think a lot of you who are either are playing them or looking for a faction to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why you play them.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the lore lines up till well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest with you, this is also a reason to collect them.
[SPEAKER_02]: no really if you're not even a there's a ton of people that play the occasional game of forty k
[SPEAKER_02]: but they love hobby and modeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want to have stuff that's great with a lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: This force is a great force to collect.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a primarque.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got awesome looking squads that all the death wing with all the giant banners and they have all the lore that's on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They basically mark the things they've done and then you've got the raven wing coming in and then you've got the cool models that I love with the cows, the shrouded models and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to play this is just a nice model.
[SPEAKER_00]: Army that you've got a steady hand and good eyesight.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do stuck with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I use those two statements because two things I don't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do some amazing things with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is this is not me you put in a glass case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you're displaying your stuff and you're you're a hobby or your hobbyist.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a great army to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: This might be one of the best armies if you're talking in period to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think aesthetically, I mean, it's actually my, my best game arm isn't a game, honestly, because the models are all newer, they're gifted, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, they are a beautiful faction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as we've key, and we've said it numerous times throughout the cast, they play like their lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not building an army and then wedging them into some other thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do like this if you're someone that likes the lore or if you're starting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dark angels are a great starter armage for that because they're also they play like the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're never going to they've been good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been good enough about that forever in every edition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're they're a nice army to have, but also if you're you're looking to just start an army.
[SPEAKER_02]: especially with someone that did lower first, and then forty, you know, compared to the forty case second, this is a great time in half.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, I think we'll conclude our coverage of the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've now done a Zenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done an Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gee, I wonder what we'll be doing next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if there's a third section.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Brad, now we're discussing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We decided that if you're going to go chaos, let's go chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all in, baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to dive in next into a bad and the dispoiler.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to go into Black Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, it is the Black Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Don is the Black Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to dive and do because I think
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make this so if people are listening from episode one to whatever episode they're on, I want them to be some level of kind of story arc that we're following.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you guys are noticing, we kind of get to certain pieces and then we expand a little bit, but it goes to kind of move us into the forty-first millennia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler alert, the forty-first millennia is largely determined by the actions of about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they just are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is he, but he's also been there since the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been there for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: His black crusades been a different levels of effectiveness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But things, I mean, I'll just spoil it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the neck runs and we have the tear in it's because of a bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, like, Adia, no understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we're going to go to about next.
[SPEAKER_00]: As always, whenever we say this, I don't know if this is one cast or two cast because we haven't actually written it yet or five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So tune in next time, the find out is it one or more cast about a bad and the spoiler.
[SPEAKER_00]: With that though, again, as we say every cast, please join our Facebook, join our Discord, the link is in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of fun doing it and just seeing the amount of people that are listening and people who are engaging with us really is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with that, I'm John Barsai as the Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see you all next week.