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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: The Giants already get a victory. They won the press conference apparently yesterday with John Harbaugh. Harball was introduced as the new head coach. And it's weird, how if we looked at the Giants, Let's say Brian Dable was back next year, we would look at the Giants and go, Okay, there's potential. All of a sudden, you bring in John Harbaugh and we're going, man, he can maybe turn it around. Like Mike Rabel. Maybe you got the similar situation there. And Rabel, who is not as charismatic as his brother, had this to say about ready to win John, how do you build a winning culture? And how long will it take for this team to win?

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Speaker 3: The second part's impossible to say, but I'm planning on day one. So that's what we're we be shooting for, that's what we're working for and fully expected to happen.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm ready to go. Giants gonna turnaround. Feels like we have one or two of those teams every year. And he's also very excited to coach Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about Jackson Dart, you know, and you build your team around your quarterback. I like the way he plays, mal like his talent, skill set, all things he accomplished. But more than that, I like who he is and what he's about.

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Speaker 4: To me. He's about football. I mean, this is this young guy loves football. He wants to talk football all the time.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I like doing too. So I think we're gonna have a lot of great conversations and I can't wait to get started with him.

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Speaker 2: All right, channeling a little Jim Harball there. He liked football. I like talking football. We're gonna talk football, yes, seton. How do you know that he met him two days ago? Well, maybe that's all they talked about was football. He liked football. I like football. We're gonna talk football. It feels like, and let me rephrase this, he is. He's not a character like his brother. He's got charisma, he's just not a character like Jim is. But great head coach. But all of a sudden you look at the Giants differently. I think because John Harball, Well, because they're going to talk football, they're going to win football. That's what they do. By the way, Jim Harball hired Mike McDaniel, the former Dolphins head coach, or at least he's going to Mike McDaniel. Now the headline is going to read differently than I'm interpreting this, and that is Mike McDaniel turned down an opportunity to interview for the Cleveland Browns job. I think what he did is he took his name out. You know, sometimes you're not going to get a job, but you want to take your name out before somebody hires somebody and then you realize you weren't getting the job in the first place. I don't think they were going to hire Mike McDaniel in Cleveland. They've had a couple of candidates coming in for a couple maybe their second interviews. Mike would have been a curiosity. You know, hey, come on in, what do you think of our quarterbacks here? What would you do with this offense here? And I think the Chargers did a great, great hire bringing in McDaniel to help Justin Herbert and Mike McDaniel was coveted as an offensive coordinator. I think that's a great hire. And he goes to the Chargers. Brown's still searching for their head coach. But you know, you still start with Buffalo because these Bills fans are not letting it go. They're looking for every angle. Is there a new angle with that interception? There's gotta be NFL films put out an angle. It's not any different than what we saw over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: What Paul Dan not according to Bill supporters.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, Bill supporters need to have this realization. Your best player didn't play his best and he cost you that game. Because if he makes a couple of plays, you win. That's it. You win. It doesn't come Don't blame the officials. Blame Josh Allen. Start there. He did not have a good game. A couple interceptions, an overthrow that would have won the game or put him in a position to win the game, a fumble at the end to the first half. That's on him. It's not on the officials. And it's easy to blame, and it's tough. It's tough to sit here and go, why aren't we playing this weekend? We are better than Denver, and maybe you were except for Josh Allen didn't play like Josh Allen normally does. That's the reality of this. There's no other way to spin this. You want to blame the officials and is it a tough call. Yeah, in the moment, I thought there's no way that that's an interception. When they called it an interception, I said, there's no way they overturn it. And even Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow hasn't tweeted since August, Joe Burrow said, hey, get over it. The call was correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauline, Joe Burrow's tweet was the amount of people that don't understand what a catch is in the rule book flabbergasty. And it's not the officials. The two plays yesterday he talked about the one in the Bears game in the Bills game were not difficult calls and they got him bold right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm a Buffalo Bills fan, it's tough to swallow. This was your year. It cost you your head coach. Head coach reportedly had issues with the roster with their GM, and I think that that's a bigger issue where ownership in GM probably got together and said, well, wait a minute, that this guy didn't like what we're doing and we need to move on from him. Non paraphrasing there. But I wouldn't have fired Mike. I wouldn't have fired Sean McDermott. It's really hard to be consistently good in the league, and he was consistently good. Now you can say, is he going to be good enough to get us to a Super Bowl? I didn't think the roster was great. Well, who built the roster? Your GM did. But we blame Oh, we didn't get to the next level. Well, who are you blaming? It's usually the coach and we're in a a day and age where man, what have you done for me lately? Huh? Kind of been good for a decade here. Yeah, but you know we had some fumbles in some interception. Yeah, but I didn't do that. Yeah, we got to blame somebody here. But FLO fans may not like it, But don't be blaming the officials. Blame yourself because you easily could have won that game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauling, I don't think it's going to go that way for the Buffalo fans. I think they're gonna latch onto this video and this play and this bad call in their mind forever until they win a Super Bowl like Dallas with the des Bryant thing more than a decade ago. The further they get from the Super Bowl, the bigger. This play will stick in their cross.

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Speaker 2: Well, is this the modern day Scott Norwood missed field goal? Now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could blame it on somebody else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's gonna stay for.

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Speaker 4: A long long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it shouldn't. It shouldn't. It's unfortunate though, but you know, with Sean McDermott, I mean, that's an impressive resume. Who's coming in? Who is your guy coming in? Because he has to get to the FC title game? Right? Who's coming in in Baltimore? You got to get to the AFC title game. I think the expectation level is crazy. Even Pittsburgh, you got to make the playoffs unless there's an announcement of hey we're going to renovate here, we got to retool here. But Pittsburgh's not going to do that. And the Chiefs, you know, Mahomes will be coming back eventually, so you're still gonna have to deal with him. Joe Burrow and the Bengals might stay healthy. Is Jacksonville for real? Denver is going to be there, Chargers coming back. There'll be an outwire that you go, wow, that team is on the rise here. But these coaching. You know, when you start to point fingers, man, it's tough. Yeah, Ton, And.

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Speaker 5: If the league just recycles or recirculates coaches that just had a job, who is left that's so juicy.

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Speaker 4: That is the answer. In Buffalo. If they're not going to find some hidden character, hidden candidate that we haven't really already mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Well you might find somebody, But you go in and what's the expectation level. You know, Robert Sawa is taking over Tennessee, what's the expectation level? Five wins? Six wins, that's about it. But if you're taking over a team like Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, a team like Buffalo with Josh Allen, we are making the playoffs? And how far are we going in the playoffs? Even Pittsburgh, Hey, you wanted Mike Tomlin out. All he did is win, got you to the playoffs. Maybe overachieved this year. But and for the life of me, I don't know why the Steelers would say, hey, we're open to bringing back Aaron Rodgers. Shouldn't that be up to the head coach who hasn't been hired, So now all of a sudden coach comes in, he'll be the bad guy, when really the front office shouldn't be saying anything about Aaron Rodgers or just saying, hey, there's you know, we're open to possibilities here. But but the head coach and the GM should have that, you know, make that decision. You can't put that on a guy who hadn't even taken the job yet all of a sudden, Brian Flores goes in. First question is what are you doing with Aaron Rodgers? I don't know, not bringing him back? And if you are bringing him back, what's that say about you know, your immediate future? Like, what are you doing? It's just the deep end is where the great teams are. You're in the kiddie pool. You're in a pool. You're just not where you need to be. And you bring back Aaron Rodgers, you know that doesn't I don't have a rush of confidence when I go, yeah, Aaron Rodgers played okay this year, probably better than a lot of people thought. But if I'm Pittsburgh, I want to know what is our future here? Who is our future here? And maybe you get Brian Flores in there, maybe Mike McCarthy in there. Okay, First thing I want to know is what are we doing like we're old, who's our quarterback? What are we doing with TJ? Watt? Can we trade anybody here? What did we want in the draft? Needing the draft? So there's all these questions, but it just feels like ownership, front office. They're quick to move on. There is no patience and some of the greatest coaches in history, they could have easily gotten fired into in today's landscape after two or three years. Like you go back to Mike Krushchevski a duke, it's like he would have been fired because nobody knew Mike Ryzhevski and it's after what three years at Duke, you'd be like, I think we can move on from him. But having that patience to be able to see who that guy is, what that guy is, that's the hard part here. But some of these coaching candidates going in it's tough enough. You walk in and it's like, all right, better be great. Uh, okay, just got here day one. Huh. That's tough. But that's what Baltimore's done, that's what Buffalo has done. Pittsburgh, you know, that's Mike Tomlin stepping down. So that's different. But man, it's fascinating, fascinating times for these coaching candidates and these teams and the expectation level. All right, see what's poll question for hour one on the program. By the way, the Giants with a win already. They won the press conference yesterday. Oh yeah, that's great, good for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Would you rather be the coach of the Browns or an offensive coordinator somewhere else? So?

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Speaker 2: Would I rather be the Charger's OC or the Browns head coach? Any offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 4: Gig?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Mike McDaniel needs to not reinvent himself, but I think kind of disappear and do what he does best as an OC. I don't know, do you want to walk into the Browns situation? Do you want to walk?

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 2: The Dolphins might have done him a favorite. By the way, did you see where the story actually came out? When I got in from you know, a source said ownership came in and fired Mike McDaniel right in front of another player. Darren Waller was doing an exit interview and Steven Ross came in and interrupted that to fire him. And my sores told me that, and Darren Waller finally came out on a podcast and said, yeah, I was there. I saw it, Like, really, can you wait two minutes? Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 5: If Mike McDaniel joins the Chargers, there has to be a Hard Knocks or some type of TV show Harbor McDaniel. It's like a guy from the nineteen fifties hires a guy from twenty twenty and they're working together.

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Speaker 2: Could be fascinating just listening to the conversation. They are an interesting duo. Yes they are. That's a lot of personality right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Todd called it the NFL's version of Stranger Things. You know, it's the upside down, like weird and weirder, but I'm loving the dynamic of what's going to happen. Then who's Vecna? Who's Vecna? See you watched Stranger Things throughout? Did you watch all of it? I?

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Speaker 4: Did you?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I stopped like two seasons ago.

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Speaker 6: I watch because I made it this far and I was just like, I'm just going to see it out. You know, I didn't really care for the last season all that much, but they had a phenomenal season like season four I think maybe was really really great.

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Speaker 2: So then that kind of kept me through. Is either three or four of us really good Beckna.

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Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America's studio analyst, former Cowboys head coach back on the program. We were just talking about painful moments, you know, Buffalo Bill's fans having a hard time getting over that intersect. And you were the coach of the Cowboys for the des Bryant play, I was is that your toughest play? That like that still stays with you of all the plays when you were coaching or a player.

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Speaker 7: You know, I would say two plays.

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Speaker 9: The des Bryant play would be one, and then the other play was a couple of years later in the.

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Speaker 7: Divisional Ral when when Aaron Rodgers rolled left and made that amazing throw.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, we had we had a couple of interesting ones at the end of games, you know, with a chance to go to the NFC Championship game and they go right to the end of the end of the game against the Packers and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: But the des Bryant call. What were you told in the moment and were you okay with what they told you about that non touchdown?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 9: Uh, I feel like I'm an expert in this area because I've talked about this a lot with a lot of people through the years.

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Speaker 7: Uh I was.

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Speaker 9: I was bothered by the call for a couple of different reasons. The number of times I had heard prior to that play.

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Speaker 7: You know, how long do you need to catch the ball?

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Speaker 9: And there was always this idea of hey, all you need is time enough to make a football move. And the officials who would tell me this, they would say, hey, he doesn't have to make a football move. It's just time enough to make a football move. And look, if you look at the dead Brian play, you know he catches the ball just outside the five yard line. It was one of the most amazing catches I believe in the history of football. He catches it and he switches hands with it. He gets one foot down, two foot down. The third he lunges, so he's switched hands. He's gotten the feet down. Lunge is a football move. He has the ball here, he extends it. These are all football moves over the course of five yards. So he's essentially running with the ball to get himself down there to make that extension. And you know, for them to come back and say he needs to survive the ground, this thing that seemed to trump everything else.

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Speaker 7: You know, like, how many times have I heard from you guys.

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Speaker 9: He doesn't even have to make a football move, he just needs time enough. And literally he made seven football moves over the course of five yards. And then the other part of it is it was ruled to catch on the field by a guy who was standing right there. And so for them to come into it afterwards and say, you know, it's indisputable that this is not a catch, it was really a.

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Speaker 7: Hard thing for me to comprehend.

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Speaker 9: And if you remember after that, it started with Calvin Johnson and then it was the des play, and then for about three or four years after that, every catch or non catch was viewed through that same prism, and they completely screwed up what.

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Speaker 7: A catch was.

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Speaker 9: I mean, guys are running down the field stumbling and they have it for ten yards, but he falls down and all of a sudden, that's not a catch. And so a little bit like the tuck rule, took him about five years to quiet try to change it. But I think we're kind of back to that same place, and I think it's frustrating for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: What did you think in the moment of the interception in the Broncos Bills game.

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Speaker 7: I still think it's a catch.

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Speaker 9: I do you know, a hundred years ago in football you had to tackle a guy and lay on top of him and keep him down. If you look at the old films, they tackle him and the guy keeps getting back up, Right, that's rugby.

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Speaker 7: We're not playing rugby, right, We're playing football.

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Speaker 9: So for him to make that catch, secure the ball, go to the ground, be touched, and then have the defender rip the ball out when they're on the ground.

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Speaker 7: What are we doing? You know, it's a catch.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a catch in the moment, and the more I looked at it, the more it felt like the defender was getting his hands on the ball before they hit the ground. I was first of all, I was surprised that they called it an interception, and I knew they weren't going to overturn it. If they called her to catch, I don't think they would have overturned it either.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and again that's what takes me back to the des Brian play. It was called a catch, and to say indisputable evidence overturns it. You know, I have a regret about that play Dan afterwards in the game, you know it as a head coach, who're always preaching no excuses, and you know, I talked to our guys about, Hey, that was one play. We had fifty six minutes before, We had four minutes afterwards to win that game. So we're not gonna We're not going to rely on officials to make the right calls. It's our job as players and coaches. Having said that, something I wish I should have said was in the moment, I get all that there's no excuses.

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Speaker 7: We had our opportunities.

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Speaker 9: But Tony Rollmo made an amazing throw and Dez Bryant made one of the greatest catches.

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Speaker 7: In the history of National Football League.

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Speaker 9: And for me as a coach, as a former player, and as a fan of football, this play should have been in the lower of Bradshaw to Swan over Mark Washington and the Super Bowl falling stumbling down. There should have been Roger Stauback to Butch Johnson, all of those amazing plays in the history of the game, and somehow it got caught up and officiating. And I thought about this the other day because coming out of that game, what did we talk about? We talked about a catcher, no catch or an interception, and then we talked about the past interferences on the following drive. Right, They let the players play a certain way the whole game, and then all of a sudden, we're calling these plays at the end.

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Speaker 7: And I have nothing against Denver.

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Speaker 9: They did a fantastic job all year long, but I hate as a fan of football that officiating in these big games is what the conversation is.

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Speaker 2: What was it like to interview for the Tennessee john.

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Speaker 9: A great experience really like Mike Worganzi their general manager, Dave Zigglers, their assistant general manager, Reggie McKenzie's there, Chad Brinker. Really good guys went down there. The interview was supposed to be like I think from nine to twelve. We went from about nine to fifteen to close to three o'clock, so, you know, plenty of time to talk about football and a vision for the team.

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Speaker 2: But are you thinking the long team the longer it goes that, Like, you know, if it's only going to go three hours and now it goes close to six hours, in your mind, are you going you call your wife and you say, man, I killed it?

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Speaker 9: You know, not so much that More than just I love talking football, and I really like the guys they put together there, some former general managers coming together, and I think they have shared values and how to build the team in a lot of ways. There's a blank canvas down there, a really good young quarterback, an elite defensive player playing defensive line for him, so he's awesome. And it was just fun talking ball and sharing your vision for what the team can be, and a really good experience.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Garrett NBC Football Night in America, studio analyst. If you're coaching the Broncos, how do you use Jared Stidham And are you using him in a way that you are wouldn't be using bon Knicks.

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Speaker 9: You know, I think Sean will do a great job with him. I played for Sean for three years. I think one of his great traits is creating a comfortable environment for quarterbacks, and I.

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Speaker 7: Think he'll do that.

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Speaker 9: I think Stidham's skill set is actually pretty similar to bo Knix's. They both do a good job with movement plays, play action type stuff.

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Speaker 7: Certainly capable for throwing the ball from the pocket.

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Speaker 9: You know. The concern is Jared Stidham has started four games in the NFL, so he does not have that much experience. So even though he's played in the NFL for a while, he hasn't taken these game snaps, certainly not in the AFC Championship game. So I think Sean will have that in the forefront of his mind. He'll get them comfortable in the game. Run the ball, movement plays, screens, those kinds of things. Get them some completion. You know, the guys at NBC hear me say this all the time. Get them five completions before he even knows he's out there, you know, And I think that's a big thing. As a coordinator, that's always what you're trying to do for your quarterbacks, certainly in big moments like this. So I think their skill sets are the same. I don't think they'll have to change that much, but I think Sean will be mindful of how much he hasn't played.

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Speaker 7: I think I'll try to get them comfortable.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering about these coaching vacancies, the pressure. I mean, normally you don't have, you know, playoff teams, changing coaches. You go into Buffalo, you're expected to go to the AFC title game. I'm guessing you go to Baltimore, you're expected to go to the AFC title game. You go into Pittsburgh, you're expected to make the playoffs. This is in Arizona, this is in Tennessee, this is in Cleveland. I can't remember where you had vacancies where the pressure was this, you know, ratcheted this high.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 9: And those are really good coaches who had coached for a long time and build amazing programs, and to replace those guys and then you know, like you said, racket it up, take it to the next level. Those are not easy things to do. I do think they're really good organizations. Steelers is a great organization, Raven's great organization, So Buffalo really good organization. So I do think that they have some things in place there that you like in all those spots. There's no question about that for me.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: The other thing, you know, some of those teams that have not been as good. You know, all of a sudden, you're looking at what Mike Vrabel did in New England. Hey they won four they don't won four games last year and then the AFC Championship game, So all of a sudden, there's an expectation there that you're supposed to flip it around in year one, and I think ownership in those spots needs to be careful. I think those are exceptions go back in the history of football. It's hard to turn things around. And then even if you look at a team like Washington, dan Quinn did such an amazing job in year one and now that they've kind of fallen back to the mean, if you will.

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Speaker 7: So I think you want to build.

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Speaker 9: It the right way regards of where you're coming from and if you go into those places, you got to be careful about trying to copy the guy who was there before. You better be yourself. I think a lot of mistakes are made when guys try to copy what's been there. Be yourself and get yourself going.

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Speaker 2: It feels like we're not going to give Seattle credit until we see Seattle winning a super Bowl. Like it just felt like regular season, Okay, I mean toughest division, and it almost feels like people are rooting for the Rams because the Rams look like, you know, hey, I got Stafford there, and I got Pookinakua and Sean McVay. Like, Seattle's just played great football. I just don't know if we've acknowledged the great football that they played from start to finish.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Seattle was really really good middle of the year. I went out there and I interviewed Sam Darnold and got a chance to spend the day there watch practice, be around the meetings and walk throughs and stuff, and I just love I just love everything about their team. I think they've built it the right way again, created a great environment for their quarterback. Jsn is an elite player on offense, but but for me, you know what separates them as their defense on all three levels. These guys are really really good, and I think they're head coach and defensive genius. Mike McDonald is fantastic, and you know, I have a good story about him. I've gotten to know him a little bit over the last couple of years.

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Speaker 7: And so we're.

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Speaker 9: Talking about, you know, building, you know, everyone talks about building culture and all of that. And I said, you've done an amazing job here And I said, you know, what have you done? And he was so honest and humble. He said, last year, I had no idea what I was doing.

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Speaker 7: He said, I have no idea. You kind of dive into it. You just are reeling.

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Speaker 9: But he said, after after the season, got a chance to sit down and really think about what you want to build here. And you know, Pete Carroll had done a great job building a certain culture there and and and I asked him, I said, hey, is this just like you, you know, trying to replicate what happened in Baltimore, that that's your experience. And he said yeah, in some ways because I was there for so long. But he said I also pulled back and said, you know, this has to be our culture in the environment we create. So keeping some of the good stuff from Pete Carroll absolutely, some of the stuff from the Ravens absolutely, some of the stuff from our players and coaches, things that they think are important.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely. And then at the end of it, he says, you know, if.

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Speaker 9: The culture was all about my personality, we'd be really boring.

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Speaker 4: So we don't.

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Speaker 10: We don't want to be that, you know.

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Speaker 9: And so to me, he's so he's so good at what he does, but he's so humble, and I think what he's created there and what they've created there, John Schneider a great job with the personnel.

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Speaker 7: I love their team.

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Speaker 2: Jay's good to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, enjoy the game this weekend.

00:28:03
Speaker 2: That's Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America studio analyst.

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Speaker 2: Reggie Miller the Hall of Famer, and he was on the call for the Martin Luther King Day matchup at the Garden, won by the MAVs over the Knicks and what's going on with the Knicks. Reggie's back at the desk on Coast to Coast. That'll be at eight eastern. Also the NBA All Star Let's see, you got Jannis visiting, Tyrese Maxi and the seventy six ers. Although you can put Joe ellen Beiid in there. He's starting to play a little bit better basketball, right.

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Speaker 10: I absolutely agree.

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Speaker 4: But before we get to that, Okay, doctor Theodore, since you're being a therapist, Okay, I kind of want to talk about the moment seat and bro because trust me, I have a million of them, but things that stick with me and I just want to talk about this. And while I'm talking about this, Poly can probably pull this up. Nineteen ninety four, We're in the conference finals versus the Knicks. This is coming off Game five, the twenty five point quarter.

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Speaker 10: My beloved Pacers go up.

00:29:22
Speaker 4: Three to two, coming home to Indiana to close out the series. It could be a trip to the NBA Finals. Our first, you would think home court advantage. I felt that we have broken the wheel of the Knicks. The start of that game, the Knicks get off to a great start. I mean they're by as many as fifteen to twenty points on us. We scratch, we claw our way back in. We have a big third and fourth quarter. We crawl all the way back into this ballgame. Being down double digits, I get fouled. We're down two. I'm going to the free throw line in our building. And you know this, Theodore. Being a shooter score, it's sometimes just breaking the will of your opponent because you can tell you can look at in your opponent's eyes and you know when they're about ready to crack. I feel if I make both of these free throws and we go up one with about two three minutes left, I will have broken them. This is it because they were ready to fold anyways. But they had played great all the way up to this point. I go me, I go one for two, and it's a tie ball game. And Dan, you know this. There's a difference between tied and being up, because all they did was exhale is. They didn't get the lead, and they went on to be just in game six and we lost game seven. So to answer, it's that moment that keeps me up because I should not miss free throws, especially in a moment like that, because they were ready to fold.

00:31:07
Speaker 10: Like a chair.

00:31:08
Speaker 4: I had them on the precipice of being broken, and I let them off the hook. So if there's something that haunts me a moment, it's that damn free throw. That's why it just kills me because it kills me. One of the best free throw shooters ever in the NBA, I miss a free throw in that moment, it kills me. It really kills me because they were ready to be broken. Okay, what do you want to know about the NBA?

00:31:37
Speaker 2: What about the Knicks now? Like they're talking about trading Karl Anthony Towns. I thought that Mike Brown and we got to get rid of TIBs and no, no, this is a team that can go to the NBA Finals. What's wrong with them?

00:31:51
Speaker 10: And they still can go to the NBA Finals.

00:31:53
Speaker 4: But let's be real that Karl Anthony Town's trade demands or everyone talking about it, that's nothing new. They were talking about doing that last year, even before they made the coaching change. Look, something just isn't clicking chemistry wise in that locker room and having a chance to cover a few of their games this year, and I'm surprised because karl Anthene Towns last year under Thibbs averaged twenty four points thirteen rebounds, All Star, All NBA Performer this year. Numbers can considerably down, still good twenty points, eleven rebounds, but his shooting is atrocious.

00:32:34
Speaker 9: Now.

00:32:34
Speaker 4: I know it's a new offense, there's more pace a space, and there's more flow, but he just doesn't look comfortable under Mike Brown's system. And don't get me started on the defense, which was fantastic under coach Dibbs. As we know he is a defensive minded coach. Their defense is atrocious, so chemistry balance, Look, Mike Brown says it was going to be a while. Look, they've won the Cup a month ago and everyone was patting them on the back and they've gone I believe seven or eleven since then, and they just have not played great basketball on either end.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: We were talking earlier about Jimmy Butler's injury and what this means for Golden State because they're not going to be challenging for a championship here unless if you trade Jonathan Kaminga and you bring in I don't know, Klay Thompson or Damar DeRozan or I don't know, but he got Steph at thirty seven and you know that window is really closing here reg.

00:33:40
Speaker 4: Halfway closed, and especially now with the injury to Butler, almost closed unless something drastically happens. Look, Mike Dunley Junior, the general manager, has gone on record and say we cannot continue to waste these prime golden years of Stephen Curry and Draymond Green to a certain degree. I mean, he's thirty five, so I wouldn't be surprised if they made a subtle move. I like the DeMar DeRozan. I know, again, another older player, but a proven player and a proven score. But what do you give up? I know Sacramento all along has wanted Jonathan Kaminga, And now this is going to be an interesting dynamic because now if you're Steve Kerr and the coaching staff and you look down on the end of the bitch and you see Kamina after the injury to Jimmy Butler and you're asking him, oh, now can you come play for us when you haven't played me at all, I'm not going for that. If I'm Kaminga, something has to happen. Or if I'm Stephen Curry, maybe I opened up my roleodex. Wow, and maybe it's time that I call someone in the Midwest by the name of Jannis Antetokumpo, say, look, what you've done in Milwaukee has been fabulous. It's been great. You brought them a championship there first in fifty years. But the time is now, You're you're getting older. I'm certainly knocking on Father Time's door.

00:35:14
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, but how do you pull that off?

00:35:16
Speaker 4: Red? I'm gonna know how you do it. You give up everyone but Stephen Curry and hopefully not Draymond Green, but everyone else on the roster.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: Is I'll give you a Draymond Green I don't need. If I get Yannis, I'll take my chances. I don't want to. I'd hate for that to hold up the trade. If you were gonna get be honest.

00:35:41
Speaker 4: If they can get y honest by any means necessary, that is something Mike Dunman Leavy is gonna have to certainly think about.

00:35:49
Speaker 10: But Jannis has to be open to that as well.

00:35:53
Speaker 4: Because the Bucks aren't going anywhere either, right, They're kind of stuck in mud too, So I think it he doesn't owe them any favors.

00:36:03
Speaker 2: He's done his job, okay, But who's most likely to trade for Jannis.

00:36:09
Speaker 4: I would say in New York. I think New York probably has more assets. You could throw in Michel Bridges, maybe og Josh Hart, some picks Carlin. I don't know if I want karl Anthony Towns. If if I'm Milwaukee, No, you got Myles Turner there, that's almost the same. I don't know if I want both of those guys there. So the carl Anton Towns is not that attractive in Milwaukee. But I think the pairing of Jannis and Steph that's fascinating. That is that's pretty fascinating.

00:36:41
Speaker 2: Could you see Steph? What Steph ever has to be traded?

00:36:45
Speaker 4: No, Okay, I think he's in the same boat as as Jannis. They will never publicly ask for a trade.

00:36:54
Speaker 2: What feels like Milwaukee would trade Jannis. I don't think Golden State would trade Steph unless Steph said, let me help you get younger, let me go see if I can win another championship.

00:37:05
Speaker 4: I think if he went to ownership group and said something like that behind closed doors, I think they would do everything possible to trade him because right now his value is high too. You know a parent where I would love I would absolutely love to see Steph go. What if Steph teamed up and they have assets. What if he teamed up with Wimby in San Antonio? If you could keep Wimby and maybe Castle, but everyone else is in play and have Steph.

00:37:39
Speaker 10: If you had those.

00:37:39
Speaker 4: Three guys, Dylan Harper, great young player, ship them off, Blue Cornett champion in Boston, another big guy, Ship them off. Harrison Barnes who won a championship with the Warriors, Ship them off. Kelvin Johnson great, Daron Fox, gotta go.

00:38:00
Speaker 2: Okay, if San Antonio added Steph Curry, who's the team to beat in the NBA and is Castle only? You can keep Castle? You got Castle in Wemby. You lose Fox, You're gonna lose Harper, Cornette and probably some draft picks.

00:38:24
Speaker 10: They're currently where they are right now.

00:38:26
Speaker 2: I was still they're second in the West, the second right now.

00:38:30
Speaker 4: So they would still be the second best team.

00:38:33
Speaker 10: I would because of experience.

00:38:36
Speaker 4: Obviously I'm gonna lean to it towards the champs, but we've seen on a small sample still there are three one us versus Okay, see this year.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

00:38:50
Speaker 4: That would be fascinating because you have a proven winner, score, someone who could face the floor. And you know, I was watching that game last night between this in the Rockets, and for the life of me, I just don't know why they wouldn't run pick and roll with de Aaron Fox in Wimby almost every single play. How are you going to guard that? They rarely run that, or even with Stephen Stefan Castle, why wouldn't they run that almost exclusively? How would you guard that? Either throw it to the rim, pick and pop, pick and roll, they go under. That's Stephen Curry and they go under. Boom, Baby. There's so many things you could do with a de Aaron Fox in Wimby. Pick and roll. Fox is just too good, And to me, they're not using them as most as they should. It's a shame because offensively they can be really good.

00:39:48
Speaker 2: Talking to Reggie Miller the Hall of Famer and Coast to Coast NBC and Peacock starting at to eight eastern, somebody who's gonna get traded? It feels like this trade deadline, right, big name.

00:40:04
Speaker 4: Look, I think I've read everything too. You've probably heard this that John Morant has pulled back his demands of being traded Zion. That'd be a.

00:40:16
Speaker 10: Look that's an interesting thing.

00:40:18
Speaker 4: Maybe it's time for a change of place and scene every for him as well. But I think Joe Dumars kind of wants to see what he has with this young core. What's the sample size on Zion? I mean, how many games has he played?

00:40:34
Speaker 2: Has He's played twenty nine games this year? But I don't want Zion or Ja Morant. I don't want Lunch or LaMelo Ball either.

00:40:47
Speaker 4: Look, I think a change of pace for all three of those guys might be in order. I know they're all all injury prone, and I know they need the basketball to be successful, but also they can be a difference maker on a winning team, on a winning culture.

00:41:03
Speaker 10: Maybe I don't know.

00:41:07
Speaker 2: You got to see Cooper Flag in person.

00:41:10
Speaker 4: He's the real deal, you know, because I wanted to see how he really seeing it on TV versus seeing how someone's change your pace, how they warm up, how they approach the game when you see it in person and up close for a nineteen year old, and I give a lot of credit to whoever developed this young man in terms of his fundamentals and footwork, and coach Jason Kidd and his staff has done a fabulous job of allowing him and listen to me carefully when I say this, allowing him to fail, okay, because the project.

00:41:47
Speaker 10: They did of putting him at point guard was brilliant because at some point in time.

00:41:53
Speaker 4: If you can have two or three playmakers on the floor, and you know, I think I brought this up on air. Coach K called Coach Kid and said, you know what, we never thought about doing that. You know, we just thought he was going to be a forward or though a ball told me, it's like, this is fascinating, and yeah he did. It wasn't great, but he passed a lot of tests and it's only going to make him better. So by failing, to me, the Mavericks got better because he developed his game. This young man is going to be the face of our game in another three to five years because he has all the tools to be great.

00:42:36
Speaker 2: He won't be the face because of Wemby though, and Wemby's only two years older than him, isn't he Weby's Wemby's gonna You know, it's not often when you say somebody changes the game, but somebody who is that skilled inside, outside, offensively, defensively. I just think that the league is his for the next decade.

00:43:00
Speaker 4: If that's the case, then he's gonna have to play more than twenty eight minutes a game.

00:43:03
Speaker 10: I need more Wimby.

00:43:04
Speaker 4: I need Yeah, I need a guy that's gonna give me thirty two to thirty eight and play sixty to you know, seventy two games.

00:43:14
Speaker 2: Your u c l A Bruins beat Purdue and these students storm the floor. Reggie, this is UCLA. What's what? What happened to the Bruins? They stormed the floor at home?

00:43:28
Speaker 4: I know we got beating a rant team and produced number one.

00:43:34
Speaker 2: No, your u CLA, I know, you know, you don't know, you're dang. These kids have no sense in history.

00:43:45
Speaker 4: We got caught up in the moment.

00:43:47
Speaker 2: Why don't they just offer a course in u c l A the history of u c l A basketball. Just said, well, they know we don't storm the court.

00:43:55
Speaker 4: I hope Coach Conman went in there and said, what did y'all get caught up in this? What is wrong with y'all? Do you know who we are? Who he is?

00:44:10
Speaker 2: Are you still a Raider fan?

00:44:12
Speaker 10: A Mendoza baby?

00:44:15
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you know my Peck Raiders Colts and because of my son Chiefs.

00:44:23
Speaker 10: But Raiders, die hard raiders.

00:44:25
Speaker 4: Yes. And you saw who was scouting at the championship game.

00:44:32
Speaker 10: Tamas the greatest of all time.

00:44:34
Speaker 4: Brady, he knows. And can I just say one thing? Was that the greatest scramble for a touchdown by a quarterback?

00:44:44
Speaker 10: Fourth and five?

00:44:46
Speaker 4: I wish I had my belt for Michael or Michael, I.

00:44:49
Speaker 10: Don't have a belt on.

00:44:51
Speaker 4: You were with all those other opponents when those are just took off it.

00:44:56
Speaker 10: That was a I was screaming, Oh my god.

00:45:00
Speaker 2: Michael Irvin scares me though, Like I get nervous for Michael Irvin when he gets excited like that. He was more excited than anybody on Miami's team when they had.

00:45:13
Speaker 10: It's good to have a cheerleader like Michael.

00:45:14
Speaker 2: Earth, but you don't do that at a u c L. A basketball game.

00:45:19
Speaker 4: I mean cheer class. I got my clopp I do look former players, we get animated. I'm sorry when it comes to our alma maters.

00:45:32
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you.

00:45:33
Speaker 4: I got your excuse me, doctor Theodore evinced.

00:45:39
Speaker 2: And you missed them a free throw shooter and I.

00:45:47
Speaker 10: You make those, you go up one. And for people to say there was a lot of game left.

00:45:51
Speaker 4: No, they they were ready. We go up one.

00:45:58
Speaker 2: Did you choke?

00:46:00
Speaker 4: I choked?

00:46:01
Speaker 10: Yeah, I choked. I choked a trip to the finals because again, you.

00:46:08
Speaker 4: Do have another chance once to New York, but you're not going to win that game on the road going in game seven. Yep, in those days, not in the mid nineties, you had to close them out at home. I didn't. I apologized Pacer fans. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I let him off the hook. That was my bad.

00:46:28
Speaker 2: Why don't you blame you know, your teammates' ba.

00:46:31
Speaker 10: Yeah, it will never be.

00:46:33
Speaker 4: It'll never be my teammates when you're the man, it falls right here? Do Yeah?

00:46:38
Speaker 2: Look, do you have Regie stats in that game? Polling?

00:46:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had twenty seven in that game. In the last four games of that series, he was the leading scorer for both teams thirty one, thirty nine, twenty seven, twenty five.

00:46:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he should have had twenty eight points.

00:46:53
Speaker 4: No, damn.

00:46:59
Speaker 9: Well.

00:46:59
Speaker 10: That so that's my moment.

00:47:01
Speaker 4: Seeing everyone has this moment, and trust me, I've had many of them, but that one just burns me because it's the first. That would have been my first trip to the NBA Finals and.

00:47:12
Speaker 2: You would have faced san Antonio.

00:47:14
Speaker 4: What's that?

00:47:15
Speaker 2: You would have faced san Antonio Houston Okay, oh Houston.

00:47:21
Speaker 4: Man Max and I going head to head? Oh my god, mad Max keem elivea Wan and Rick Smith.

00:47:28
Speaker 2: But then we wouldn't have had the John Starks moment.

00:47:34
Speaker 4: I would have went one for twenty seven. Guarantee that in the firing. I love something wrong, but you know what a lot of that is on pat Riley. You did have Hubert Davis over there, someone who could have came in.

00:47:48
Speaker 2: Oh she layman Ryles for them.

00:47:54
Speaker 10: It's called coaching for a reason.

00:47:57
Speaker 4: Thank you, reg All.

00:48:00
Speaker 10: I appreciate your theater.

00:48:03
Speaker 4: Figure.

00:48:03
Speaker 2: We get some positive numbers in there for reg