Luke Combs Talks New Album 'The Way I Am' + NFL Free Agency Reactions | Bussin’ With The Boys

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Busting with the Boys. This is episode three hundred and seventy with the One the Only Luke Holmes. We have a little preview figure, guys. We are talking about NFL free agency logan Paul, Who's he fight? Who should he fight? Also, Max Crosby has gone from the West Coast to the East Coast to the Ravens. What's taking place in the Raiders building as opposed to the Ravens building, and what happens with the mental capacity of these players when it comes to mental fortitude and put people pulling you in multiple different directions. A lot to break down this episode, But before we do anything else, do me a favor. Hit that subscribe button. Doesn't hurt you at all, but it helps us a whole bunch. Big hugs, tiny kisses, and let's have a hell of a show. Alright.

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Speaker 2: What's even going on?

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Speaker 1: Is there anything happening today? On Monday?

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Speaker 3: Sam Ellinger or he re signed with the Broncos. Sam, Yeah, oneion dollars deal, keep them guessing. You see, the Huskers took down the Hawkeyes and basketball.

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Speaker 1: O t that's all the snowball effects, the snow right down the fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm putting it down for you to pick it up.

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Speaker 4: Also, Michigan took Michigan State and Michigan State some dirty ass plays, guys.

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Speaker 1: Dirty ass school school, that's a dirty school. But yes, Also Michigan first team to go undefeated out of the road, uh in the Big Ten since like nineteen sixty four or something like that, last team to do it. In the end of the mouse that data is that date is for sure correct, but that is a real stat it's nineteen sixty seventy something. Sugar, pump that up.

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Speaker 2: Don't pop that at the end.

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Speaker 1: Who's just yeah, we're not a lot of people like the we're a basketball school or a hockey school. For mission's a sports school, dude, they are, they're doing the thing. They're never won in hockey right now too. I know hockey's been big for me in this last couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah, that you actually big for hockey?

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Speaker 2: Should we hockey?

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Speaker 1: Should we get to the biggest seventy five? Nineteen seventy five first times is nineteen seventy five, so you know, thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: Off time out.

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Speaker 5: That says last undefeated n CUAA D one men's basketball team.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Hey we're not experts on the show.

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Speaker 1: But the last in the Big Ten team finished without a loss, without a loss, yeah, in the Big Ten. Okay, okay, now they finished undefeated. We just finished undefeated in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 2: Got you? We got one.

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Speaker 1: Slice of the pie, not the hole.

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Speaker 5: You sat on the road for a second, and that's why I'm like, is that the truth?

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Speaker 1: But I read it, you know how the brain works. You saw it reading a second ago. That's kind of how it goes.

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Speaker 2: NFL for agency while I was in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, NFL freezingly kind of started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it the little tampering period?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm talking about the commodore condor the command.

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Speaker 5: The biggest headline in free agency, Max going to the Baltimore Raven for what.

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Speaker 1: Two first round picks? Is that what it was does anybody think the Ravens overpaid it all in the back?

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Speaker 5: I definitely, Well, there was a and again this is this is excellre. There was a stat out there all the first rounders who've gotten like traded were they didn't paint out to where the team ended up winning a championship. So it kind of depends on what metric you going by.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's done it until someone like.

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Speaker 5: Max Crosby is a Hall of Fame defensive end that is currently like still in his prime. Absolutely, Ravens made an incredible move. They're clearly all in to win the Super Bowl this year. Like they're all in. They have a home wrecker on the line of scrimmage on defense. Yeah, then you got Rokwan Smith second level, Coylin Hamilton, Kyle Hamilton on the third level like their dial like Baltimore Ravens, Like, I'm fired up for Max Max and the purple the black that he just seems Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Ras the pale skin is gonna pop off that purpose. Yeah, it's gonna be a great contrast.

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Speaker 5: Yes, similar to how I was with the silver and black. Yep on the Macro Ravens. Gotta I think they both won because you got Raiders now two first round picks. You're gonna get a quarterback with first of all, it's probably gonna be for Nana Mendoza. Ye, So you got a quarterback that you're buying into for the future. You got two first round picks that you're getting to continue to load up on draft capital for all of the holes that they have with the Raiders right now, you gotta ship off your best player, like your best leader, everything, everybody. Everything that embodied being a Raider was Max Crosby, right, him going to Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: That sucks.

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Speaker 5: But if you're a Raiders fan on just the pure business side, on building toward the future, I think it's like both sides kind of won.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the side just from my own, this is what I would do if I was a GM. I love the idea of acquiring assets that are already proven in the entity 're trying to trying to win, which is players that you know are good bring them to your team, as opposed to going to the draft and having more draft capital and taking a guess on guys a lot more bus, a lot more bus out there as opposed to I mean, this is a crazy comparison, because this dude, like you said, as a Hall of Fame, a Hall of Fame defensive player. The issue with the Ravens has never been the name talent on their roster. Like going into this year, it was their contenders. Look at how all the names they have, they should have the best defense and all of all the NFL. Now, their biggest issue last year was getting was getting to the foot, getting to the quarterback. They're going to fix that quite a bit. I don't think they know what's coming in practice. We truly don't know what's coming practice. But everything you hear about practices, you're gonna have to take Max Crossby out every once in a while just to just to make sure.

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Speaker 2: You can function, to figure out they can have some success.

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Speaker 1: And then the question mark is is Lamar Jackson still Lamar Jackson. I know a lot of people that like Ravens fans are gonna hate that, But like we saw him, he had his hamstring and even when he came back a lot of open field opportunities and still kind of getting taken down by one guy, which never happens with Lamar. Keep him healthy, Max on the edge, But they might be.

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Speaker 5: Them Ravens are in a great spot. I think the Raiders. We just talked about the macro on the micro I think Max Crosby leaving speaks to the continued dysfunction going on.

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Speaker 1: With the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: And again I can I can tell the audience from things that I've just heard, and it's very like, this is very like I'm not in it in the Raiders, Insiders, the relationships, everything else the way I used to be. But things that I've heard shows that there are massive question marks, like within the organization, like Tom Brady having all the juice that he has. Who's is a pty? Is it Alex Guerrero or Guerrera.

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Speaker 1: Sounds about right? A name sounds correct.

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Speaker 5: The guy who worked on Tom brady TB twelve method, like the guys who would use Alex as Alex Guerrero, who would use Alex Guerrero as like their third party guy like away from the Patriots he is now it seems like he has a lot of control inside the organization, and there's a lot of friction and pushback with how much control he has. Because Tom Brady is kind of running a lot of the operation.

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Speaker 2: He is like a minority owner.

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Speaker 5: I think it's super interesting because of all the TV stuff that he does and everything else and how he's involved. It sounds like he is. And again this is more hearsay. I don't know this too him. A lot of this is assumption. This is just like hearing all the things that I've heard I have Obviously I have a great relationship with Max, but we never like talk about that side of everything.

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Speaker 2: So you can take it for what it is.

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Speaker 5: But what I've just heard is that Tom has a lot of juice inside the organization and it's ruffled feathers because of the empowerment of an Alex Guerrero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you look at it from the outside and you're like, oh, Tom Brady the best football player of all time, he now is going to give all of his little nuggets and little jewels to be able to be like this is how you guys are great.

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Speaker 5: But which there's value, Yeah, there's obviously value in that.

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Speaker 1: The question mark for me with Tom is how how much is this the main storyline for him? Because he's got so many things going on with the broadcasting, He's got a bunch of different investments, a lot of stuff with fanatics, Like how does he is he in the Raiders building a couple of times a week making sure everything's going the way he is or is he sending out guys that he trusts to get done, Because those are two totally different things. Mark Davis the owner, He's got a temperament not only his haircut iconic, his decision making question marks, and he makes decisions very quickly, which causes a lot of this turmoil taking place. Not letting guys get their guys in there, establishing their type of culture because everyone's kind of seeing them from the NFL world. The Mike Vrabel, the college role, the Kurt Signetti, It's like, that's what we want immediately, and a lot of times you're not going to get that. You have to have a couple of years for guys to get in there, mold their culture and what they want be interesting.

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Speaker 5: And apparently the show that broke the Camel's back, the stuff that's like reported out there is that when they sat Max at the end of the year, because Max wanted to play like Max is a guy?

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Speaker 1: Did you Matt? Max came out with as soon as they said he's the what he we're putting on ir he was dunking a basketball and shooting threes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my instinct. And again Max and I don't talk about those things. Like Max and I we just check in and like, you know, show love to each other as how kids are, you know, all that kind of stuff's going. But when I'm watching that from the outside, I think that is kind of like optically it's showing Max's you know, how upset he was that they were kind of deactivating him from the ROSS, because this is a dude who play through through injuries. If Max can go, like Max is always gonna go. You watch his video when he's leaving, and you can just tell how authentic, genuine, how much he wanted to essentially be a Raider for life. And that is a guy you want to be a rated for life because he's a captain. Not only is a captain, but he's a Hall of Fame caliber player, somebody who truly like there's no question whether this guy dies for football, which is what you.

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Speaker 2: Want to build around.

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Speaker 5: And apparently it's like the Charlotte broke Camel's back is him getting deactivated and shut down. And the reporting is that they wanted to tank so that they could get the first overall pick.

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Speaker 1: Which definitely sounds like, based on Mark Davis's history, something that he would actually do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, seems like, you know, a lot of misalignment. And again this whole Alex Guerrero thing, I don't know what his title is. Can you look up just what his title is within the organization. But you have head trainers, you have head strength coaches, and again this is hearsay. What I've heard is Alex Garrow has a lot of juice. Alex Guerrero, so Taylor and I from speaking from our he's a wellness coordinator.

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Speaker 1: That's very broad. In my opinion, my.

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Speaker 5: Instinct tells me Tom has a lot of Jews to kind of operate as a in the ownership of the Raiders. He has Alex Guerrero his confidant, his guy that is the guy that essentially reports to Tom, and he probably gives Tom all the ins and outs of what, in his opinion of what everything kind of goes on, breaking down all the little details. The benefit of Alex Guerrero when he with the Patriots is, you know, as a player, anytime, you never want to be in the training room because you never want an injury to get misconstrued or painted a certain way, or you could be going through it a lot more than what your trainer could be telling the head coach, to where you're trying to get pushed back on the field to play, and you're probably getting a third opinion that tells you I need to continue to rest, I need to kind of do other things, but it seems like the training staff is doubting me, or the team is doubting me. So it creates this weird world to where as a player, you start to learn the game within the game. In the NFL, you start working with third party people in the off season. During the season, you'll have a pet check in on you and kind of give you his opinion on what your injury is compared to what the athletic training room is telling you what the injury is, because they're working for the team, with the team, with the owner, So you see the training room as more of the.

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Speaker 1: Op than you do.

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Speaker 5: There are ally in all facets of everything. So Tom would use Alex Guerrero. Julian Edelman, I assume a lot of these guys on the Patriots, you would use Alex because Alex was a great third party resource. Now with Alex Guerrero working in the Raiders organization bringing Oh hey, here's what Alex does. I'm sure when he first got there, everybody's probably excited. They probably had great relationships. But Alex Guerrero is now if you're a Raider on that team, you could see Alex Guerrero as the op as what you would call in any business culture, as the guy who's operating in the best interests of the logo and not as much for the player like he once was when he was just a third party guy getting to work kind of with the Patriots and really just work on Tom Brady and whoever Tom wanted to bring in the circle. Now that you have Tom with all this juice, and Alex Guerrero is seen as the right hay Man kind of can overthrow the training room, kind of can overthrow whatever is going on. Because of what his relationship is with Tom Brady, you can see how that can create a dysfunction to where the relationship with Max or maybe the relationship with other players on the roster, that's kind of where you can create friction and kind of see it fall apart a little bit. Because Alex Guerrero is no longer a guy that as a player you can work with outside of the business, outside of the logo.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense, buddy, Yes, like that you painted. You painted a exactly to me. If I would say that one more time for Batim, No, you you nailed it. The biggest thing that I picked up from everything you said was as a player, you learn in the process of being pulled in a million different directions. You get an injury, you just stay an ankle injury.

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, trainer looks at it.

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Speaker 1: MRI says, X, Y and Z, you're actually fine. You can play this week. Agent sits over there and it's like, let's get a third party. Third party guys like maybe take a week off, maybe don't like you could hurt it more.

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Speaker 5: Or guy that you see that you have now even even outside of the agent, a guy that you work.

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Speaker 2: With sapt like we've all had him.

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Speaker 5: Like there's a guy like I can speak to mel I can speak to different guys that I've worked with to where you go right to them and it's like, Hey, this is what they're telling me, here's what the MRI is, And they're kind of telling you, ah week this week, that would be pushing it. In my opinion, you should do you could do X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: Now you have to take the information you got from a third party. You take it to the team, the head, the head trainer. He's gonna look you in the eyes and be like, hey, we got you whatever we need to do for you. But then you figure out what are they saying to the up top people who essentially decide what your money is. Now with Alex Guerrero, this is all allegedly we're having fun. We're trying to make make sense of this and trying to take our experiences. Right now, we have all this kind of convoluted web that is taking place with this player that's put essentially put in the middle of the mental warfare. It takes place. People are talking about this player from from this side. He needs to do it. I don't know why he's not playing. The other side is like, you need to make sure that you take care of your body because it's about sustanding longevity in this league. Now enter Alex Guerrero. So all that mental fortitude to have as a player, you now had to have to have as a head trainer in the building as well. Because Alex Guerrero is not only reporting on this player he's also reporting on what this head trainer is doing from a day to day base, especially with all his assistant associates with him as well. So now in the world staff, we sit in the like as Americans, as the NFL we've seen. We sit there as like these are alpha males, ultimate glad of your type people. And then once you get down to the micro of it all, everybody's dealing with their own storylines that take place. The more insecurity you can place in a person, the more cracks in the foundation you can get, especially when you're in a twenty week season, so when you're when the player has it, you learn that over time, these assistant coaches, these trainers, they seem like they have it all together, but a lot of times also have the same issues. And when the added pressure comes there, that's when you see a massive crumbling foundation. Am I following you correctly?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Hey we kind of yeah, the fans might not know, but we kind of are moving. Because that felt good.

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Speaker 2: That do you get all that?

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Speaker 1: JP?

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Speaker 2: It felt amazing.

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Speaker 3: If I could just piggyback on that, it reminded me of those videos that's like ear wait, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: I was just gonna say as you guys listening us talking through all of that. Was that making sense on the whole macro. If you're a Raiders fan, you know you're getting draft capital, you're probably gonna get Fernando, all these things are happening to be optimistic about. And then on the flip side, on the micro of Max Leabit leaving that could speak volumes to what is happening internally.

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Speaker 6: You broke it down in such detail that I understand it fully.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we need to clip that. I'd be like, just do you understand this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all Raiders fans should listen to that, ye, in true detail, because again it's like if they win and they're making all these right moves, then clearly like winning solves everything.

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Speaker 1: Solves everything.

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Speaker 5: The insight is doing what it should be doing to push the team forward, as in Max Crosby and bodying everything you want as a Raider. If you go fully into the weeds of it and it doesn't pain out for you, just don't be surprised, because this is our instinct on the inner workings of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Because hey, when you get into the mental part of the season, enter Max Crosbie, who's going to play over everything and has those leadership capabilities that he's clearly proven every player says about him. He's walking in the training room as well and checking guys like can you actually play this week? He's got that type of person he is, yes personality, So now you're losing that person that's you know, he's for the boys. He's a player, but he's also he's so at such a high level he's almost a coach as well, so he can play that back and forth game too, which essentially leads to elevation of most guys around you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, going back to you talking about the Raiders on like the macro level, do you think they're going to use those picks in draft because they haven't particularly drafted well the last couple of years. I mean, they got Ashton Gent, but I think three of their first round picks in the last like five or six years.

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Speaker 2: Are no longer on the team.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question.

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Speaker 7: Do you think they're going to use that as to go get a big fish or do you think they're going to try and draft.

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Speaker 5: Clearly they think a little bit, they feel a little bit more. They probably feel confident going into this draft on getting those first round picks. I'm sure they're not like, oh, we suck at picking first rounders. Why do we have first round picks at our disposal? We suck at picking first rounders. Right, They need a lot of pieces, So I understand the move from a business perspective. You take out all the micro you take out the feelings everything going on, Like you had this in the way, a Hall of Fame player to get two first round picks along with the first overall pick. You have Ashton genty, But you need an offensive line, like you need so many guys. You clearly need guys on defense now like they need They have so many holes.

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Speaker 7: I mean if you go back and look at their last first round draft picks, I mean Cleveland Ferrell, Johnson, Abrams, like they're no, they were no longer on the team after two to three years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a different regime.

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Speaker 7: And I mean who used to say like this, whether it's Tom or whoever it's doing.

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Speaker 1: Because now they have Kobiak the biggest question because yeah, you look at the Raiders roster and it's like there's so many holes there. That's like you really you got to do a bunch of patchwork. It's not going to work with having two first round picks when this is not going to solve all of your issues. So there's a lot of time till the draft where you can go find the players you want, maybe grab a couple of guys that are more mid level for those first round picks, or throw a second round pick in there. Because the biggest question mark, and if you look back at how the coaching carouself was going, the Raiders and the Cardinals came down to the last two teams that were able to find their head coach. Both of them were vying for Clint Kubiak. Raiders end up getting Clint Kubiak, but I'm sure in that process because of how the two franchises kind of handled themselves and their decision making process and how quickly they make decisions, it's more difficult to sit there as a up and coming OC like Kubiak was at Seattle and be like, do I really want to dive off into this deep end with this team, because I don't know if eighteen months from now or a year from now, I'm already on a hot seat. When you look at the roster and you're like, I know, like I believe in my brain and my abilities to put these guys in good positions. But do I actually have the talent to operate in a sense that I can get into January type.

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Speaker 5: Of football in the leadership above me to get the pieces that were ATYI.

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Speaker 1: I bet you that's what was one of the reasons that took a little bit longer to get to. I think it was a Super bowls right after the Super Bowl when Kubiak took the job there right so clearly he's in the playoffs. I'm not going to make the decision till after. But a lot of times, you know they've already made the decision. They've told them everyone behind closed doors kind of knows. I could see that conversation with Kuby a being, as you know, highly touted, as he was sitting down with Davis and being like, I need to know, like what your patience level is going into this as I see your roster, and but let me tell you it's not great because there's so much for them to do and.

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Speaker 5: Kubiak being an offensive guy. Like again, speaking on the optimism side, is if you think, Foranana Mendoz is gonna be who you think he's going to be as a number one overall pick.

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Speaker 2: You'll have you have.

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Speaker 5: Ashton Genty, who is a stud. Brock Bauers, Michael Mayer like, you have some pieces, foundational things to build around, and now through free agency in the draft, it's like, how do you get a line of scrimmage? Get a wide receiver? On right?

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Speaker 7: Myers, If I'm the Raiders, I'm if I'm a Raiders fan, i am extremely pessimistic right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I see, I'm the opposite, the opposite.

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Speaker 5: The messages I've gotten is it doesn't it. It's more pessimism than you.

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Speaker 1: Gotta be optimistic, gotta believe every year is your year. You got to get in there.

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Speaker 2: This is a franchise, bro that's that you're coming from.

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Speaker 5: I agree, early two thousands, like probably maybe longer than that most head coach turnover, organizational turnover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. The Raiders are now kind of coming out as like the front runner for all that, when really we looked at the Browns for the longest time, the fans before Joe Burrow got there, the sales, the Jets.

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Speaker 5: And the one core thing that you at least had no matter what, was just I'm proud that Max Crosby is on a football.

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Speaker 1: Team, and did that news broke? He's gone that news broke Friday? Yeah, I'm Max was supposed to go to Powaslop Friday obviously doesn't come for a very smart move by him. Everybody was talking about it the entire time, Like local Las Vegas people were like devastated at the idea that they're like, they're king is now gone. Yeah, it just sucks.

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Speaker 2: And smart move for him to do it on his pod.

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Speaker 1: So what we got that idea?

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Speaker 2: Beautiful?

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Speaker 1: Oh beautiful. I'll tell you what. Who do you think is formatter Raiders fan base or Jamar Chase? Who was more mad about the Max Crosby trade news. For those of you that don't know what was it, Jamar Chase. He was on a Twitch stream. He's at like a he's just sitting on him. Did you hear his voice? Yeah? And apparently get you allegedly gets a text from Joe Burrow saying that Max Crosby has been traded to the Ravens, and his words where I believe highly fucking pissed. Highly fucking pissed was a phrase, a direct quote that I heard could be a I could could not be I don't know. This game is already above my head. I can't handle it. But seems like people are a little terrified.

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Speaker 3: Would love to think that Joe Burrow sent that text message to Jamar Chase while he's at the blackjack.

00:24:38
Speaker 2: Table with Jessica Alba.

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Speaker 3: Yes, bro, hang on, Jess, I gotta text my boy real click the saying good.

00:24:43
Speaker 2: For us Joe's bum.

00:24:45
Speaker 5: But then jess Galva's on your arm.

00:24:48
Speaker 1: How can you get how old is Jessalva? No, it doesn't. You're absolutely right, it doesn't.

00:24:55
Speaker 2: She's a woman, bro, a business woman.

00:24:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Where to celebrate the Internets Women's Day?

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Speaker 1: Yes, bro, Yeah, yeah, age, Mat, that was a dumb question.

00:25:05
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, guys.

00:25:05
Speaker 1: Calm me out for that. Joe just wins, man, He just wins.

00:25:10
Speaker 2: Except on the football field.

00:25:11
Speaker 1: Just right now.

00:25:12
Speaker 2: Listen, just right now, just right now. That wasn't That wasn't anything.

00:25:16
Speaker 1: That was the way you said it, the way you saw Joe. You said like you were in a rush to get it out, like you wanted to say it, but he was from the football fielder. Just get there there, like, hey, we got this is a long form show. You tell you to jump the gun like that. Joe Burrow, I will say this. We've talked about our white buffalos all the time, and I ever since the Super Bowl, Joe Burrow is my number one player, number one person over Vince Fawn that I need to get on bustled. He is efficient the way he just I'm sure Justice Alba felt the same thing, like he should he he I trust me. I not only said this, I for the first time in my life, took time to think about.

00:25:58
Speaker 2: It more than Hey, more than it's been how many weeks?

00:26:01
Speaker 1: Is super Bowl a month? More like we're in a month category. I've thought about.

00:26:05
Speaker 2: Joe every day, more than Johnny Knoxville.

00:26:08
Speaker 1: More than Johnny Knoxville. Well, Vince Font's my one, more than Travis Stauna, more than Machine Gun Kelly, more than machine and Kelly, Yes.

00:26:16
Speaker 5: More than if we had more than if we had Blinkin on the bus all together.

00:26:20
Speaker 1: There it is there. It is no Blake the entire band. You're right, absolutely. I had a dream about them the other day. Can I tell you guys my dream quickly? I know this is not that kind of show. This is a real dream. So much show, so much show. I called my wife the morning I had this dream. I was in Nashville. I had a dream. I was with Mark, Tom and Travis and they're playing We're playing together. I don't play. We're all playing together, and I'm like, you know, it'd be sick if we sang this song. But Mark, you saying Tom's versus and Tom say Mark and their minds were fucking blown by that. Woke up so happy. That's it. That's the end of the story. But yeah, thank you boys. Blake with eighteen number one. Joe Burrow too, just the way he said turned us down, turns down and then and then reverted to you just gotta find me on the right day, which mean you feel like we need to set up shop in Cincinnati until he's ready.

00:27:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:27:20
Speaker 5: It sounds like Joe Burrow's gone beyond a white boy with motion.

00:27:24
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah, he's breaking all sorts of trends right now. Yeah, but you gotta feel for him.

00:27:30
Speaker 2: I mean t J.

00:27:31
Speaker 5: Watt, Miles Garrett, Max Crosby.

00:27:34
Speaker 1: I mean dear God Tree Hendrickson's in freegency.

00:27:37
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, most sacked, most hit quarterback.

00:27:41
Speaker 1: Yeah do, which begs the question, there is that stat about Joe Burrow and Andrew Luck and Andrew Luck with everyone was like, look, how tough Andrew Luck is? This guy He gets hit all the time and he still sits in there and faces it. Joe Burrow statistically has been hit more in the same amount of games. Is Joe Burrow tougher than Andrew Luck? Is that? The question?

00:28:01
Speaker 4: What season? Did Andrew Luck retire in?

00:28:03
Speaker 2: Eight? Eight?

00:28:04
Speaker 4: And where's Joe right now?

00:28:05
Speaker 1: I think at this let's say he's going to seven. So at the six year mark, they've been hit sacked. Sam mount right here one for.

00:28:14
Speaker 4: Bro through seventy one games compared to Luck one hundred and fifty seven.

00:28:19
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

00:28:20
Speaker 3: But are you taking in a fight?

00:28:21
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:28:21
Speaker 5: I think on paper if we're just having fun with it now, Joe.

00:28:26
Speaker 1: Have you seen Andrew Luck now? Yeah, But I mean he's full of Stanford's.

00:28:31
Speaker 5: Bro I'm talking truck and fools out there.

00:28:33
Speaker 2: You're talking.

00:28:35
Speaker 1: No, No, he's flipping that, he's flipping that.

00:28:37
Speaker 2: I'll take Andrew Luck in a fight.

00:28:40
Speaker 1: Have you seen a recent photo of Andrew Luck?

00:28:44
Speaker 5: Hey, don't get fooled by the Clark can't look when Yeah, you.

00:28:48
Speaker 1: Put those you put those on Luke Kickley. Yeah, I feel differently, right, Taylor. He does no sleeper build Taylor.

00:28:54
Speaker 4: You know this more than anyone.

00:28:55
Speaker 8: If you're a Titans fan, you know that Andrew Luck beat the dog shit out of us for his whole career. I honestly have to take Andrew love out of respect. I mean truly, it was a massacre.

00:29:06
Speaker 1: As far as far as grit goes, Like just go to go do that top row, top row, that third one in, that's grit. Yeah, that's a gritty guy right there.

00:29:18
Speaker 2: It's a happy boy. He just wasn't happy playing. He didn't care to play anymore.

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00:30:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big one. I think that's actually which one you. I think DJ Moore to the Bills.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: I think that's huge for the bills.

00:30:52
Speaker 1: The biggest issue they had. Basically, it turned into Josh Allen has to be Superman every single game in order for them to even make it to the super Bowl or make it run. And would they have Shakir they had Uhie Coleman. Yeah, he had a whole bunch of I don't know if it was maturity issues, showing up late whatever. It was great offensive line, but like it really was like, you have no weapons on the perimeter to really help you out. This is a massive addition for them. Would love to see the Bills make one more move like that on the offensive side of the ball, maybe a little what were they the number one run defense, number thirty two pass defense or was it flipped?

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Might have been flipped?

00:31:32
Speaker 1: So okay, you find yourself a nice little nose or a three technique and then Bank get you another perimeter guy. And I love the Bills, Like this is turning into like I think like Josh Allen's going into his joker face, like he's going he's he's about that.

00:31:45
Speaker 2: He's gonna I think this is Bill's super Bowl.

00:31:48
Speaker 1: I'm about Tom about Yeah, I'm getting close to you. They make another move, I'm back on him again. Ravens are show me, don't tell me.

00:31:57
Speaker 8: Another breaking not confirmed yet, but Adam Scheffner two seconds ago. Falcons are expected to pursue to a tongue of Iloa.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: Oh shit really yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. Travis Kelcey expected to return. Couldn't see Travis Kelsey going anywhere else.

00:32:16
Speaker 2: No, No, they're gonna work something out there.

00:32:17
Speaker 1: He can.

00:32:17
Speaker 5: They can put out all the articles they want that he's open and talking to other teams like that's all, that's all optics. Yeah, he's gonna be a can't see chief for yeah.

00:32:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He can't go out on a shield like like they did.

00:32:27
Speaker 1: Last Yeah, to a tongue of iloa, going to the Falcons. My opinion doesn't change by the Falcons. Third in the division, Okay, right, there's some maybe fourth, there's some speculator maybe fourth. That's clean take. That's that's that's clean take.

00:32:45
Speaker 2: Kevin Cent your food, that's a good, clean take.

00:32:47
Speaker 1: That's clean take. No disrespect the tua. But once again it's like, hey, you gotta kind of show me, don't tell me ninety two. Mili, I'm stoked for you. You've been paid. But just when your boy was ripping packs. I went to a couple of trading like a couple of car places, and I got some like I think, what twenty twenty, what was their rookie year, twenty one, whatever it was, and they're like, hey, if you pull anybody but Tua in this pack, you'll you're doing good. That's how you know it was bad. It's made it to the trading cards.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: Ship.

00:33:14
Speaker 1: Can't feel good for your pennis, No, yeah, yeah, but yeah, but he the mobility, the injuries, it's just the same. But one's lower, one's upper. As far as the injuries.

00:33:28
Speaker 2: Goes, the upper is the brain.

00:33:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's they That is it. You're absolutely right.

00:33:36
Speaker 2: He's one gang sign away from my plane anymore.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, rich boy talking about fencing.

00:33:47
Speaker 2: We'll leave that in. But this is just not a representation.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: As not Yeah, Will Compton and Taylor one did not say that. Yeah, we don't promote ct here. Hey, we just have it.

00:33:57
Speaker 5: On a w though for the Bears, going back to DJ Moore, they got a secondround pick from it too, so I think I think that one was also a win.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: Win, But I feel like.

00:34:07
Speaker 1: Bears kind of need him.

00:34:09
Speaker 5: Bears needing, but just from seeing kind of everything unfold, Like it's not like DJ Moore was touching.

00:34:14
Speaker 2: The rock a whole lot.

00:34:15
Speaker 5: And to be honest, and you saw even if you're the whole argument and this is this is a small example, but the last route where he was kind of like jogging on.

00:34:22
Speaker 2: Like that, there could have been something everywhere.

00:34:24
Speaker 5: DJ Moore, He's now got different grass, greener grass to go, you know, reset, restart. It probably just wasn't a fit with the Bears, and then they can both kind of move on. Bears gonna get second around draft capital, Yeah you know what I mean.

00:34:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good that they where they DJ Moore got here from the Panthers to the Bears originally correct that he got. That's good that they got good draft equity out of him as well just a few years later. Really, the Bears all they need is when Caleb Williams feet are set to be accurate, because whenever he's off script, he's the greatest football player I've ever watched. But if he can just you know, throw a slant with his feet set, I don't think anybody's.

00:35:00
Speaker 5: I don't want his feet said ever, keep him on the move always. I want it cut. Cut the field in half.

00:35:06
Speaker 1: We're rolling left, rolling right. I would love to see the evolution of Caleb Williams just dropping back hitch and just paint one right on somebody's chest. Yeah, that to me is just that's football porn to me. Right there, the kids got all he's already got that's not that's the next level. I want you want to running.

00:35:29
Speaker 5: I want him run it like back in high school. Would be called the seven hundred series, which is rolling left, eight hundred series, which is rolling right. Nine hundred series was dropped back. We get the nine hundred series out of there. We're going left and right every play one you might fake go right and then hey, Caleb, do is spin back around to the other set?

00:35:45
Speaker 1: Called that Randall and Lamar with the Titans. Yeah, it's the blind you're faking and you're doing a full roll out. Yeah, you got two thirds of the field now, as opposed to half of the field for aging signs.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: A J.

00:35:57
Speaker 1: Brown heard saw a tweet. Not a whole lot of traction. Not a whole lot of traction right now, A whole lot going on with to see A J.

00:36:06
Speaker 5: Brown end up a patriot? Yes, you know who else? I'd love to see end up a patriot?

00:36:10
Speaker 1: Can I guess? Give me give me a f C. NFC okay a f C Okay? South am I right? South? Okay? Hard working, hardworking.

00:36:21
Speaker 5: Sneaky, athletic okay, gritty, all right, all the intangibles.

00:36:26
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, Nope, that's NFC. Hold on, Jeffrey Simmons.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: Nope, he's got motion.

00:36:40
Speaker 1: No, I don't have it.

00:36:40
Speaker 5: You can't quite put your finger on it, can you.

00:36:45
Speaker 2: No.

00:36:45
Speaker 5: Alec Pierce, Alec Pearce, this is is that's a patriot.

00:36:49
Speaker 1: I've never got that in a million years, even in my brain.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: Right now he's out there.

00:36:55
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking to myself, he's about.

00:36:58
Speaker 2: To get paid. I think that's a patriot through the league last two years and yards for catch. He's just done.

00:37:04
Speaker 1: Oh come on now, all right, all right.

00:37:08
Speaker 2: But a couple right there looking patriots thinking about braves.

00:37:12
Speaker 1: Braves.

00:37:13
Speaker 2: If you're listening to us, and we know you do every week, come he does.

00:37:15
Speaker 5: We already know the A. J. Brown one, but it just Alec Pierce, this would be rudy. I'm putting my jersey on the table.

00:37:21
Speaker 2: Get him to.

00:37:21
Speaker 1: New England, Get him to New England. Two weapons done? Uh, frage. He's going to be massive. But who's fighting Logan Paul is the question? Hang on, hang on?

00:37:30
Speaker 5: I got one more, one more speculation, one more speculation going on out there.

00:37:35
Speaker 2: Mike Evans to the forty nine.

00:37:36
Speaker 1: Ers, clean take, Yeah, clean that off.

00:37:43
Speaker 2: Mike Evans to the forty nine ers, speculation.

00:37:46
Speaker 1: Why have you? Can I ask you this? Have you heard anything he heard?

00:37:50
Speaker 8: Expect released within the next hour and then there should be motion in that.

00:37:56
Speaker 4: By now that you're listening, there should be an answer.

00:37:58
Speaker 1: It should be done. So just know if it happened, will Compton called it? You're not hearing it afterwards, A.

00:38:05
Speaker 5: Clean take from the bus. We would love to see Mike Evans in a forty nine ers years.

00:38:08
Speaker 1: Would love to see Mike Evans in the forty nine uniform.

00:38:11
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on that one. Keep an eye on all right.

00:38:14
Speaker 1: I'll do one and then we'll go to Logan Paul, Kyler Murray, the Jets. Kyler Murray, the Jets. I like something about it. He just seems like they love their runners. They love guys that can scamper around a little bit.

00:38:26
Speaker 5: A counter on reports out there, Okay vikings for Kyler Murray. Interesting former first rounder.

00:38:32
Speaker 1: I believe somebody in Kevin O'Connell pre pro meetings had backup nine.

00:38:36
Speaker 2: Is that, Derek?

00:38:37
Speaker 5: I he Ain't you get Kyler Murray on the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell. They tap into that potential. Yeah, No, Kyler Murray is a baller, bro. You think he's sitting behind nine.

00:38:51
Speaker 8: Stock an employee bust with the Boys, biggest K one fan that's out there on Friday, he made a prediction for the Vikings. I wasn't aware of this. Kyler Murray grew up a Vikings fan, even though he's a Texas guy. He didn't want to be in the Cowboys regime. He says they sucked, So he was a Vikings fan.

00:39:07
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

00:39:08
Speaker 4: Do with that information what you will.

00:39:10
Speaker 1: I still love the idea of Aaron Rodgers and the Vikings kind of making love for one year. Yeah, Coop is Coop stays down?

00:39:19
Speaker 2: Were you talking? You were just saying Rogers and Vikings.

00:39:21
Speaker 1: Rogers, Vikings. I think there's an experience like all that.

00:39:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, but man K one with Kevin O'Connell, Bro, Jay Jets.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: Anybody with Kevin O'Connell. Honestly, you see that Jefferson, Justin Jefferson and nine unfollowed each other on Instagram. Wait what yeah, so we instagram drama. This is allegedly please look it up for me. Someone told me and showed me. But they might have re followed each other, but we had uh nine and Justin Jefferson. I believe Justin Jefferson was the first one. This is allegedly unfollowed nine nine his rebuttal unfollowing Justin Jefferson on Instagram. Yeah, that's that's TMZ sports right there.

00:40:03
Speaker 5: And I know on the surface that seems laughable and petty, but that is a sure just looked it up.

00:40:09
Speaker 4: That's today's football though, Today's that's.

00:40:13
Speaker 1: How you know, that's how you know. So drama taking place. And I understand Justin Jefferson. You under says he has a finite amount of time. He's getting older, he is in his prime right now. Just a year ago, they're like, hey, greatest wide receiver in the NFL has a down year this year? Is Justin Jefferson? Is it because the person's throwing them the ball? A lot of people say it's the guy that's throwing him the football.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: So back and.

00:40:34
Speaker 1: Forth emotions egos. Ryan Holiday's trying to enter the chat. They won't open the door. There's a lot of stuff taking place, So we will.

00:40:40
Speaker 5: See Dudek throwing bombs to Justin Jefferson.

00:40:45
Speaker 1: That won't be crazy, and then all the DB's back up and he just scampers for twenty five scoots.

00:40:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tell you what that that division because the Vikings were the they were the anchor in that division.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: And then also the Lions. Taylor Decker is requesting a trade. They cut Graham Glasgow.

00:41:03
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem out like Alex Adzelonei's going back there.

00:41:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like, uh, Crackson foundation, Crackston foundation with the Lions Packers.

00:41:12
Speaker 5: It's just a rehinder how quickly things can just change in one year. Yeah, like when you have it and you're like, one moment, when did the Lions get knocked out?

00:41:21
Speaker 2: Three years ago? Was it the was it the divisional round? It wasn't the conference?

00:41:26
Speaker 1: Just no, this is the NFC Championship, NFC championshi is and just again forty nine ers, right, Uh, this is the year the forty nine Ers played the Chiefs and lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yes, junior twenty eight, twenty twenty four. Yeah, and then so go ahead continue.

00:41:43
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, like, you know, there, you're thinking Dan Campbell, the Lions, this organization, like they're going to be back in this spot year in and year out. Right, they're chasing the Super Bowl to now we're getting that. We're having these conversations about Taylor Decker.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: I wonder why you requested a trade.

00:41:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, Glasgow moving on, Frank Wragg now retiring. Yeah, I feel like that's what maybe, yeah, yeah, I see, But just like the turnover, how quickly things can.

00:42:07
Speaker 2: It's always year in and year out. Bro.

00:42:09
Speaker 5: That's why it's like when you touch it and taste it and you get knocked out and guys like, oh, we'll be back, it's like, man, that is not how this year.

00:42:16
Speaker 1: And you know who had who broke that down just beautifully was Clay Matthews because his first year or second year they went, they won the Super Bowl, and every year it's like, we'll be back, we'll be back, And it's like, buddy, just because you taste it, like it's so hard.

00:42:28
Speaker 2: To get again.

00:42:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's almost better to be bad early because then you let you know, like then you make the playoffs and you're like, boys, we got a hold onto this feeling. This is incredible.

00:42:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that's like when when the Patriots were on their dynasty, it seemed like they were always cutting guys that had a great year of the year before, like a say, if Alexandeloni was on that team the Patriots, they always knew when to let the guy go, like they never held on to somebody for a year too long. And I feel like that's where the franchises make their next step, is like getting that part right.

00:43:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe that's a clean tank.

00:43:03
Speaker 1: It's good, that's a clean tank. It's just it's so hard to follow something with Tom Brady's your quarterback because he's elevating everybody around him, right, he's using I mean, how many white guys they go through. There's so many. I'm trying to remember a couple of.

00:43:19
Speaker 5: Some of us think holding all makes us strong, but sometimes it is letting go. That's just a busting quote. You guys get on a Tuesday.

00:43:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, something nice. Yeah, rights, some of you might be in a little conflict right now. There you go.

00:43:33
Speaker 2: Take that you were going into an NFL transition in Logan Paul.

00:43:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was talking to I was so obviously Logan Paul is calling out no NFL. Uh, you know football player can beat me in boxing. I'll put a million dollars in the line. The name that kind of roast the cream that rose to the top was Miles Garrett. You put up the photos of Logan Paul, which, by the way, guy's got a nice build on him. But you put him next to a guy like Miles Garrett, it's like, oh shit, right, it's a freak show. I talked to a couple of people, so shout out Skipper Kelp. He's like a he professional boxer. At one point, Yes, Skipp's awesome, and I'm like, can you break this down for me a little bit? And he's telling me like, unless guys know how to box, like do it enough to where they understand the ins and outs. Did myself a little lesson for the first time this weekend, fucking so you kind of I don't know, shit, I realized, Oh, he's yeah, yeah, he's like, unless these guys understand how to move the body and when to punch and how to react to other people, like doesn't matter like, I'm one sixty five. I would be a guy that's like two fifties ass if he doesn't know how to box, because it's just such a different game. So that kind of makes me lean on Logan Paul, who's got who boxes all the time, whether people want to respect him or not respecting the guy knows how to box. From a base level, it's like he's probably right. But then you look at Miles Gartting, You're like, he could figure it out pretty fast.

00:44:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just see him like this, this is a massive alien, a massive three Yeah, but with the judges, you know, what was it? Three minute rounds?

00:45:00
Speaker 3: I think the issue too with Logan Paul coming out and saying that, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'd assume he's probably wouldn't pass a drug test that would get you eligible for boxing.

00:45:10
Speaker 1: Damn put that on him.

00:45:11
Speaker 2: I mean, wwe, it's hard.

00:45:13
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a fair assumption.

00:45:14
Speaker 5: You're, yeah, you're definitely doing things. We're not saying it's like a wrong thing.

00:45:17
Speaker 2: It's right and that.

00:45:19
Speaker 3: But that's what makes me mad when he does this thing. It's like, dude, you go out, you say this, I'll fight anybody for a million dollars and all these people say like, hey, we're ready, and then it comes back to you and all of a sudden, he's a I.

00:45:30
Speaker 2: Mean, it just is what it is.

00:45:31
Speaker 5: He's a brilliant marketer, right promoter. And because it all stemmed from basically Tom Brady calling him a bitch and that he's on the pod talking about I could whoop anybody in the NFL, which you think about the boxing game, muscle Sten to even o Cho Sinko break it down too. He's like, you know, it's like the stamina is just a different game. He's like, I'd be surprised any NFL player if you're not just regularly consistently boxing. I do think there are probably guys out there who do it that are just that's not like their name is in anything in the NFL. But he was like, I'd be surprised. You kind of get it. You kind of burn out quick quick in a minute. It's just a different game. And Logan's obviously he's good at that level, like he can do a variety of things. Dude is extremely athletic, that's extremely It's been funny watching him and Brady go back and forth on the you know, on the on the macro promoting the flag football. It's like you're building it up for the flag football game and everything else and yeas to stem from it. You kind of knew, Like I was not surprised. I was bummed because Le'Veon Bell and a couple guys, even our boy Deon Dawkins are schloody Deon Dawkins.

00:46:28
Speaker 1: Bloody Deon Dawkons kind of nice with the mits too. The little jab look good.

00:46:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's saying he would step in.

00:46:34
Speaker 1: And but here's the thing is if that, let's say that like Deon Dawkins and Logan Paul were like, all right, we're gonna do a fight the bills. Two seconds later, like you're not doing that fight? Yeah, not that will not happen. An active NFL player cannot do that.

00:46:48
Speaker 5: Saying similar to how the WW was with Logan Paul, and Logan might have known that was gonna be like again, Logan is very good at just again marketing promotion, like playing these games and bring a lot of attention to it, like creating a lot of that attention, And he could have known in the back of his mind, like even he had the call in the stream, I would not be surprised if he even set up that call, like him knowing already that he couldn't do it, and back, here's what I want you to do. I want you to call me while I'm on the stream and we'll kind of act, you know, we'll kind of have fun through it.

00:47:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude is in the w you touched it already. But like you can have your opinion about the Paul brothers, you can't say that they're not the some of the greatest marketers in the entire world.

00:47:23
Speaker 3: All road lead to Jake versus Logan Paul boxing match.

00:47:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Jake, And I know, like we've kind of I talked to your year off about this on the phone the other day, Jared, I saw I'm at the airport when I'm just talking about Pokemon cards. But when I've like dubbed the Pokemon card thing, I went to these trading card places and they're like, Logan Paul is a huge reason why these all these cards are absolutely skyrocketing right now. Like he has like changed the game, but he's manipulating markets. That's how good of a marketer he is.

00:47:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said that he now and he's buying these Pokemon cards. He does not talk about it for a couple of months or like a year leading into it, so the market will go down and then he can get a better price on it, and then he'll start talking about it when it's time to sell his card, which is like Gene sounds sounds like.

00:48:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like there's not a lot of regulation on this game that he's.

00:48:11
Speaker 1: Logan Paul and be like, hey, what cards you buy him? Just on the low because about it.

00:48:17
Speaker 2: Without knowing anything legal.

00:48:20
Speaker 1: Any any Pokemon people watching this, Poncho Pikachu's.

00:48:28
Speaker 2: It's like a different variation of a Pikachu.

00:48:30
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, is Poncho Pikachu's Okay?

00:48:33
Speaker 2: I with Pikachu what he does, It's like, you know, he's a loyal dog.

00:48:37
Speaker 1: Hey, a loyal ass dog.

00:48:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:48:39
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first movie, the First Pokemon? Of course I cried, Okay, you talk about Mew and mewtwo. Yeah, when Ash gets turned into stone and Pikachu starts just electricating him over and over again. Yeah, buddy, full tears, yeah, full tiers. Yeah, watching that Pikachu is one of one, one of one? AnyWho?

00:48:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have loved to have seen it. Seemed like it was happening with Leveon Bell and Logan Paul. I would have loved to have seen it, just because I respect and appreciate that Le'Veon Bell was so just He's just about the action. Yeah, he's like he'll figure out whether or not. He's seeing it as an opportunity to get you know, you know wherever Le'Veon is with everything, it's like getting in, like being a part of the attention, like playing his game to get in there, like being vocal about it all, going back and forth with the beef on.

00:49:24
Speaker 1: I'm here for the entertainment. Yeah, yeah, I'm here for the theatrics. I would love to see Le'Veon Bell. Big fan of Leveon Yeah, big fan of his work. Very patient runner, very patient.

00:49:34
Speaker 5: Le'Veon Bell is my first player of the game in Nebraska. Just just toss the player of the game, defensive player of the game. Oh nice, they only did my coming out party really, just you know.

00:49:45
Speaker 1: Leon, he was a little too patient with you. A little too patient patient. Yeah, damn got his ass already.

00:49:53
Speaker 2: Did the beast.

00:49:54
Speaker 5: Mode break down, By the way, he messed up throwing that second clip in there. Whoever was whoever edited that clip throw me gas trying to chase old buddy on the sidelines.

00:50:08
Speaker 3: They added the audio like nobody was even around him.

00:50:12
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, there's been a couple of things that slidered you in the last week or so. Right, they busted with the boys social team, they killed you on your forty time and then you and Clay had to break all that down last week. Clay, I think started strong. We have stretched on the phone about like, hey, you started strong with that because I've been kind of a hater of the forty time for a long time as well, and you kind of you folded, you folded right in front of Willis. You know, I had to let him have it.

00:50:35
Speaker 2: I had to get Dob on the phone.

00:50:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I saw, but he doesn't know that like you Dobbs in your pocket.

00:50:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dob kind of speaking that professional.

00:50:45
Speaker 1: Like Dobs my boy. I love Dob. But Dobb is never gonna speak ill about will Compton.

00:50:49
Speaker 2: Ever, Well, he wouldn't lie, He wouldn't lie.

00:50:53
Speaker 1: He would like he wouldn't lie, but he like you've been listening advocate a little bit.

00:50:58
Speaker 2: No, he wouldn't. You've been around that, Kate A little bit that would bust my balls if I needed my balls. You need to bring me, bring me back down there.

00:51:06
Speaker 1: The hardest thing is just the it's the pro day, and then is it laser? Is it not laser? And then Will right now is to say, oh, buddy, it was laser. I understand that.

00:51:16
Speaker 2: There's nothing else I need to explain. Man A.

00:51:18
Speaker 3: Why do people believe Bo Jackson but they don't believe Will Compton?

00:51:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, man.

00:51:22
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of film we can look at to debunk what you just said.

00:51:27
Speaker 2: A lot of like which film are we talking about?

00:51:29
Speaker 1: Like Will Will in the Will in the intro last week goes uh testing time, I was phenomenal on field time. It didn't translate as much. Was that a correct statement?

00:51:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:51:40
Speaker 1: So you say, and the laser short like he doesn't have the bill to beef that fast? Will doesn't have that fast? Now this day right here, you pretty quick on the side the side, Look at that six six that's kind of nice.

00:51:59
Speaker 5: Just like every everything you're Yeah, I wasn't that great in the broad I was in the eights.

00:52:05
Speaker 1: You guys, I don't know what it is.

00:52:08
Speaker 2: I I got short, but yeah, a little dwarfs.

00:52:13
Speaker 5: My torso. My torso is longer than my lower body and my arms are short. So that's where that that look comes from. And look, Dobby even said it to like listen, I was surprised, Like I do nothing but surprise people. At the end of the day, I'm known as an overachiever. Then that I'll have to take that. I can't look at the back. Yeah, I look like a specimen. It's the Excel short. What I think you thought?

00:52:38
Speaker 3: It was probably tough and in that year maybe, yeah, I guess.

00:52:42
Speaker 1: I mean those things are below the knees.

00:52:45
Speaker 5: I like, even when I watched, I'm like, what the fun was?

00:52:48
Speaker 1: Why did I think that was hot? And then even the arm action, like he's you like swimming, He's got his hand like this what he's running. That's drag right there, that's drag. That's not that.

00:52:58
Speaker 2: My life are two built.

00:53:00
Speaker 1: I gotta go on from the side, like, hey, hey, this freeze frame. Though at torso looked nice. Tors look nice.

00:53:06
Speaker 2: It is a long torso.

00:53:07
Speaker 1: But if someone showed me this way, what do you think This cat ran like four nine one freeze fream.

00:53:13
Speaker 2: When I sat with agents.

00:53:14
Speaker 1: Your arms look insanely small right now.

00:53:17
Speaker 5: It was projected that I would run a four eighty five.

00:53:22
Speaker 2: Forty five.

00:53:23
Speaker 5: It was projected like when I sit down with the agents, when we're kind of.

00:53:25
Speaker 1: Looks like your hips are turning towards the scores.

00:53:27
Speaker 5: Right now, they're trying to wrap me. Yeah yeah, what did they know?

00:53:32
Speaker 1: What did they not? And the boy got zero neck?

00:53:38
Speaker 2: Zero arm length and neck was nineteen and a half.

00:53:41
Speaker 1: Oh bro, yeah I believe that.

00:53:44
Speaker 2: Now it's like who knows me and a half?

00:53:47
Speaker 1: Dude? My next neck?

00:53:49
Speaker 2: Right?

00:53:49
Speaker 5: My traps and everything are gone.

00:53:51
Speaker 1: It's you know, hey, it's about to be spring were springing?

00:53:55
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:53:55
Speaker 1: You know what you need more than ever an account of bill of buddy, that's what you need right.

00:54:00
Speaker 2: Now, I do. I need some self discipline.

00:54:02
Speaker 1: It's time to get out of the solo workouts. Maybe find a trust me.

00:54:06
Speaker 2: I've gotten out of them. I haven't done that the workouts. That's the problem.

00:54:11
Speaker 5: Oh wait ahead of you, I've scrapped the solo workouts.

00:54:18
Speaker 1: Uh. Busting came out with a top ten most difficult statements of play at What was your opinion of this? Dog shit?

00:54:25
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a right comment.

00:54:29
Speaker 5: That I said, this is why people don't respect this, because we got idiots making graphics like this. I got a lot of attention, got a lot of engagement. We got some Rale quote tweeting it with the Gator because the swamps at the top.

00:54:42
Speaker 1: I haven't been to the swamp.

00:54:43
Speaker 2: Would Payton say about it? You guys said?

00:54:44
Speaker 3: Peyton did a video he made his own top ten stadiums and he yeah, he disagreed with with our list for sure.

00:54:52
Speaker 2: Disagree you ever one Nyland Nlan, I agree with Niland.

00:54:56
Speaker 1: I think LSU.

00:54:57
Speaker 3: College station in there.

00:54:59
Speaker 1: LSU's l s U at night is right there. Yeah, I think that was Penn State is loud.

00:55:06
Speaker 5: Pet has been to a lot of these spots where he's you know, he's got like I played.

00:55:10
Speaker 1: At Penn State.

00:55:11
Speaker 5: But it was literally the week the weekend of the San Dusky ship that came out, So it was a little weird.

00:55:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was a little awkward stadium.

00:55:23
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a rock and.

00:55:24
Speaker 5: Stay Ohio State hands on, guys, like we played Ohio State at night?

00:55:30
Speaker 2: Like that was loud. I would like, just again, I didn't.

00:55:33
Speaker 5: I didn't play in neland but I've been in a couple of games, that old Miss game from years ago when Kiffin came, Like that stadium was crazy, Bro, the loudest I've listened to Husky Stadium.

00:55:44
Speaker 2: Husky Stadium a lot about Husky Stadium.

00:55:47
Speaker 5: Played there very loud because they got the bleachers.

00:55:49
Speaker 1: It echoes the Northwest on that text, so they understand how that sound there, you know Seattle.

00:55:56
Speaker 5: So who's oh that's Pats graphic. Yeah, Husky Stadium I think is loud. Oregon when we went there for Ohio State was loud.

00:56:02
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is on like a consistent I don't know if it's four. It's just the only issue that Oregon has is fifty five thousand.

00:56:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, their buying is great though, like not very many s, not very many stadiums have students show up two hours before the game.

00:56:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, sitting there that students station was packed. That was sick.

00:56:21
Speaker 5: And again that could have been just because Ohio State was coming to town.

00:56:24
Speaker 1: Yeah I could have been because think about.

00:56:26
Speaker 5: It, when we were eating there that morning, like there was no traffic anywhere in the stadium.

00:56:31
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. So what about y'all Top ten Toughest places to play.

00:56:41
Speaker 3: Or experience.

00:56:43
Speaker 4: I go five and five each.

00:56:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I'm gonna start just saying names. This isn't a particular order, but Neeland is my one. Ohio State's up there from playing at it, Kyle Field, Texas A and M I think is loud.

00:57:00
Speaker 1: I wasn't as impressed with Kyle Field. I thought, like the chance, the pageantry, all that, like when we went to was it a m Notre Dame is what I'm thinking of, Like it was loud at times, but from a consistent loudness like Kneelan and Lsu are my top two that I've I've witnessed myself. Lud Yes, yeah, I would Husters. I wouldn't put in the top five, but I'm they're probably six.

00:57:25
Speaker 5: Like it gets loud, I obviously have them.

00:57:28
Speaker 1: We went to Nebraska Colorado. I thought that was loud. Ohio State is loud, Penn State is very loud. Oregon I gotta go. I want to go to a game in the swamp so bad. Every year I think we talk about it fall to It's like we gotta get to the swamp. We gotta get to the swamp. They got up. Yeah, yeah, where else have we been?

00:57:51
Speaker 4: You went to Norman.

00:57:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a Norman. I hear Norman's Electric.

00:57:57
Speaker 1: Norman Ish top ten horrest places to enjoy football game, that's gotta be it. That's got to be what it is. Probably one, probably one. As far as for me trying to enjoy a football game, No one would be my number one. Hardest place to enjoy a game. Tough place.

00:58:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was at the South Carolina game.

00:58:18
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Tennessee. I would they would definitely be up there. The amount of sandstorm that you all played was crazy that game, Like what three months off of an a cl surgery, just out there they're storming the field and some crutches like yeah all right, hell yeah boys.

00:58:32
Speaker 2: And this is nine. But Virginia Tech when we went to Virginia Tech was rocket nasty there.

00:58:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:58:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, before you come out, you're like in the locker room and you hear just everything kind of rattling and shaking. You hear the vibrations everything. The fans go nuts, hopefully.

00:58:50
Speaker 1: James Franklin, Yeah, Notre Dame. When I played at Notre Dame, I think it was my third year, and they had like this ladies singing some Irish song and they came out. It was green and gold and yellow on the lights. It was loud as shit.

00:59:07
Speaker 5: See, And that could be the difference of me thinking Kyle Field is really loud because we played there at night and I felt like it was rocking. But I feel you on these Oh you played that sidelin Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm sure, and it was loud, like witnessing being at Notre Dame games. To me, it just feels like a smaller Michigan to where it's really not that loud.

00:59:23
Speaker 1: Same architect that built Michigan. Yeah, yeah, now Michigan.

00:59:27
Speaker 2: Might be up there.

00:59:27
Speaker 1: Just from a intimidation standpoint. You walk in, you're like, oh my god, that it's not that loud. That it's not your right, boys, it's not that loud. But you walk in, you're like, oh shit, it's about to be a bit of a deal today. So maybe your boots are shaking while the national anthem's playing. I don't know, I don't know. Well, I think we White House Card.

00:59:49
Speaker 2: White House Card got it out.

00:59:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, how do you feel about it? First initial thoughts? Just give me. I think it's a good card. Okay, you said everything you need to say by that one statement.

00:59:59
Speaker 5: I think it's a card. I think it's an awesome card. I think compared to where everything started with the White House hype coming out, yeah, I think it didn't come close to hitting what we thought the expectation might be. That's because but I think it's still a I think it's still like a good card.

01:00:12
Speaker 1: No John Jones, no Connor McGregor. I think everybody thought those are the two that were gonna be like kind of headlining this event.

01:00:17
Speaker 5: In Olympic wrestler Gabe Stevenson. Yeah, Gable Stevenson, he was gonna make he was apparently going to make his debut the White House on like the undercard, but it was just you know, stacked from top to bottom. Yeah, but it's still a good card.

01:00:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell.

01:00:32
Speaker 2: You what wrong.

01:00:33
Speaker 5: And knowing that the Eliot tapoora and uh is it yeah, mikeah CHEFV. Knowing that that fight fell through, that would have been awesome.

01:00:42
Speaker 1: Buddy. His walkout him and and Alex Peyra's walkouts are the two that I got like the most goosebumps on. Yeah, he comes out in the Spaniard Were you were you with me? JP? For which one? For Soli era. That had to be Jack then, Yeah, Jack and Jared. When he came out and we're sitting there and he looks down, he looks at the guy and the red blazer that's kind of there for security and gives him a wink, looks at Danny, just give him a head nog and the head nod, and then just murks ol of air in the first round like immediate master fan.

01:01:13
Speaker 2: Immediately it's gonna.

01:01:14
Speaker 1: Be a guy like an oar about him. We were like, this guy's a champion.

01:01:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I'm telling if Pereira beats Gone, then he's the goat of UFC.

01:01:23
Speaker 1: History over John Jones.

01:01:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean three titles, middleway, light heavyweight, heavyweight.

01:01:30
Speaker 5: Well, what's your feeling on the White House card?

01:01:32
Speaker 3: I think it's good. I think like a lot of people overreacted. They're like John Jones, Connor McGregor is not on it. Half of the UFC fans love to just hate on John Jones for half the year anyways, and then when he decides to fight, everybody.

01:01:44
Speaker 2: Wants to be his fan.

01:01:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:01:45
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, y'all criticize this man all year, then you act like you want to see him fight.

01:01:50
Speaker 2: So bad.

01:01:51
Speaker 3: Connor McGregor obviously would be hype, but to Pooria and Gaechee, like, they're at a way higher level than Connor McGregor right now. Yeah, And it's kind of like the nostalgia of McGregor fighting would be cool. But as far as quality, it's like all higher quality.

01:02:06
Speaker 1: I heard somebody talking about this, but it's like if the White White House Fighters already get you know, super Bowl type level of views because of the location, what's happening, two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the birth of America.

01:02:18
Speaker 2: All those historically, it's going to.

01:02:20
Speaker 1: Be a historically like they're on the South Line, they're gonna have five thousand seats, and then on a different lawn, I must be the North lawn or something like that, like eighty hell anes, they're gonna have eighty thousand people watching, right. Like a bad idea, honestly, but given the climate, for sure, but things in cool down. We're still a far away, far enough away to maybe things are chill by that I will be doing my best to be there.

01:02:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might get there. Yeah.

01:02:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.

01:02:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just smart, which is smart.

01:02:48
Speaker 8: Off topic, Alec Pierce, staying with the Colts four years, one hundred and twelve.

01:02:52
Speaker 2: Sixty Congratulators say that one hundred.

01:02:55
Speaker 4: And sixty million dollars four years.

01:02:57
Speaker 2: Congratulations, bad years.

01:03:02
Speaker 1: You see.

01:03:03
Speaker 5: McDuffie got a huge deal with the Rams too. He got like a four year was it over one hundred of the trade? Yeah from uh, can't city trade him.

01:03:10
Speaker 8: People talk about how the corners with the Chiefs go basically to develop and then they go somewhere else and just get their bag. Yeah, And I feel like he's just another when.

01:03:20
Speaker 5: A lot of guys do a free agency, Like you want to stay with the team forever, but if you feel like you're getting low ball from the team or you understand what your market could be, it's like, dude, you only get one shot to go out there and maximize your financial earnings.

01:03:30
Speaker 1: And it's different. Well yeah, but the chief the Chiefs and the Patriots. When Tom was at the Patriots, it was the same thing. Like they would get guys in, develop them, make them great, and then be like, hey, you have to take a home discount because we have Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. They're like, well, I'm not going to do that, and they go and head off and get paid.

01:03:47
Speaker 5: In the Yeah, but it was I was just gonna say the Rams always go from the standpoint of just they just trade their draft captain.

01:03:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I kind of like. I like that a lot.

01:03:56
Speaker 2: You got mcveigh's just stuff.

01:04:00
Speaker 3: Man.

01:04:00
Speaker 1: We got to get him on the bus. We were we talking about bus.

01:04:03
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the White House card, Yeah, that's gonna be electric. I think I feel like it's you know, it's it's the Internet. So they're obviously to overreact. And when you're thinking John Jones, Condor McGregor, who else you elluded, Oh, when Malcolm Jeff or Micah Jeff falls through. It's like when you feel like all these names are going to be on it and they're not on it, you're like, oh.

01:04:22
Speaker 2: This sucks. You told us this is the one we wanted.

01:04:25
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, we all want the greatest part.

01:04:28
Speaker 1: Go back to what I said was like, you have this massive fight on the White House, which regardless is gonna get massive views. The move would be to the next couple of weeks. That's when you have the McGregor on or the jah Jones. If you're going to have those guys enter the UFC, because now you're double dipping on your view count.

01:04:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Conda McGregor's out there, you know, when he was on Chale sonin Yeah Chill Son. When he's on his podcast talking through it, he's like, I'm never on the two hundred or three hundred or the sphear fight like you see me on like two oh one, three oh one, because those cards are gonna be huge and get the viewership and get the buys that they're going to get. You put me on like a two on one, three on one, because you're still going to double dip. You're still going to like at the end of the day, we're all cattle. Yeah, he's I mean, he's not wrong, but that's that's every sport. Yeah, that's every sport. You're a number or this or that. Yeah, Max Crosby's cattle, cattle, cattle, clean clean, Max Crosby Wago beef wag be roam in the field.

01:05:28
Speaker 2: For those of you.

01:05:30
Speaker 1: That weren't savvy to this, we had ourselves in merch competition.

01:05:33
Speaker 2: Yes, some housekeeping.

01:05:35
Speaker 1: Housekeeping fans were given the opportunity to create their own merch send it into busting with the boys. The boys then said, okay, these are our top ten favorite, top five favorites put it out there, and then whoever sold the most merch will get how much money will come.

01:05:50
Speaker 5: To three thousand dollars for the first place.

01:05:53
Speaker 1: Thousand dollars for first place. In this envelope, This true classic envelope is the winner of the Merch contest.

01:06:01
Speaker 2: Top three, right, we're doing the top three. Sure, I believe so. I did not see what Germ handed y'all, but I bet he put top three.

01:06:07
Speaker 1: I bet he put top three. First place.

01:06:10
Speaker 5: From the amount of bias he has three thousand and second place, two thousand and third place one thousand dollars. To the fans who created this merch.

01:06:15
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hand you that envelope. You can do the honors.

01:06:17
Speaker 2: Hey, here we go. See.

01:06:21
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you got all three? Got all three?

01:06:23
Speaker 5: I just want to know if you open up pretty fast, okay. Coming in third place of the Merch design contest is the Tunnel of KOs shirt.

01:06:34
Speaker 1: Tunnel of KOs.

01:06:37
Speaker 5: One thousand dollars to that creator. Uh second place, the Magic school Bus shirt.

01:06:43
Speaker 1: That one went hard. It was a big fan of that one.

01:06:46
Speaker 5: In the first place drum roll is the PT six No One Is Coming to Save You shirt. Yeah, that designer will be getting three thousand dollars.

01:06:58
Speaker 2: We'll have our people get with your people.

01:07:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll figure it out. Jeremy Clump, you have to figure that out. Yeah. If it takes a long time, just know Will Comms and I did nothing. It's all on Clump.

01:07:07
Speaker 2: That's all four Yeah.

01:07:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, tag too.

01:07:12
Speaker 5: If you're trying to talk to somebody directly, it's the nutty professor profile Jeremy Clump.

01:07:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is correct.

01:07:19
Speaker 5: This is Jeremy Clump. That's the guy who kind of handles our stuff.

01:07:22
Speaker 1: Is there anything else? You boys? We got anything else?

01:07:26
Speaker 2: Luke Combs was phenomenal, amazing forgot to say at the.

01:07:29
Speaker 5: Top, Luke Combs. This interview with Luke Combs phenomenon.

01:07:33
Speaker 1: No, if you're an Appalachia State fan, you're gonna love this one.

01:07:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Brandon Spike story.

01:07:37
Speaker 5: We have to get Brandon Spikes on the bus YEP.

01:07:40
Speaker 1: That must be happening soon. Also a tunnel of chaos of blog.

01:07:43
Speaker 5: When does that come out?

01:07:46
Speaker 1: Matt Malone at Matt Malone needs to come out in the next forty eight hours.

01:07:52
Speaker 5: So Matt Malone is the one editing. I know he was he was out there doing all the content.

01:07:55
Speaker 2: He's the one editing.

01:07:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's ending along with the boys. He said that a lot of fells are gona help him out. Yeah, kind of his first get him right, his first swing at it. A lot of fun content in there, a lot of this is a this is a different one too. Well. Yeah, got scary for a second, got scary. I'll tell you. I'll say this. I'll say this. My credit line at Red Rock is five hundred thousand dollars. At one point, I was one better way from being maxed out of my credit line. The blog will be out forty eight hours.

01:08:25
Speaker 2: How was Matt's vibe? Like, what was the vibe?

01:08:27
Speaker 1: That was good? Nervous energy, like you could just tell he really wanted to do well. He had the he had the rookie mentality, like anything I can do, I'm going to do. There was a few times where in my brain I'm like, hey, did you grab his Like No, I didn't. I'm thinking Jack, I should have told you Jack. Jack would have known to do that, Jared would have known to do that because he hasn't been around it a few times. But I think overall, the boy crushed it. I think he had his camera out. He's have to go through a lot of stuff.

01:08:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, like twelve hours total.

01:08:58
Speaker 1: Buddy, he was. I'm like, hey, you got a film this part. We're kind of just walking somewhere right now, like it was, but hey, he was on it. He like truly, you could tell that Matt wanted, like more than anything, wants to do well and that is the biggest thing. So it's almost like these clips what you're about to put out, everything, everything, everything, like this is your judgment day essentially, like can you take the next step? Can you make a bluck?

01:09:21
Speaker 2: You got your.

01:09:22
Speaker 5: Phono with Mark Zuckerberg, but can you so this Mark Zuckerberg picture?

01:09:28
Speaker 1: I went up, who was I talking to before? Hunter Campbell?

01:09:32
Speaker 2: Hunter Campbell?

01:09:33
Speaker 1: Dude, the fucking man rapp him up? Uh, we were talking for a second, turn around and Matt's on Zuck, Hey can I get a photo real quick? Just real fast? Like I walked past him and he came. He goes, I had to get it. I had to get that one. Yeah, whatever, whatever you gotta do. Yeah.

01:09:53
Speaker 5: I want to say, that's so funny that you tell that story, because I'm overhearing conversation on their side of the shop, and I just hear Matt. I think I heard like Derek asking like you did you feel like were you getting starstruking? No, I don't really get starstruck by guys like that.

01:10:07
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? Yeah?

01:10:10
Speaker 5: Like Tom Brady, Like Tom was cool to me, but I'm thinking, let's talk business. And I just yelled from the shooter, Matt, shut the fuck up.

01:10:16
Speaker 1: Hey, Tom was awesome. Tom was talking to Dan that turns around. He said, well he dat me up. What's up Taylor? I was like, oh shit, you remember you remember the cross?

01:10:26
Speaker 2: What's up?

01:10:26
Speaker 1: Shit? Talked about broadcasting, talked about a bunch of stuff, dude, and I had. I was like, bro, we got to get you on Bust with the Boys. And I goes, I would love to come on your show.

01:10:35
Speaker 2: So we need him.

01:10:37
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's on the clock, by the way. More handsome in person, yea, more handsome in person. Boys, he's got the sauce. He's got the sauce. He was wearing these glasses and I was just like, buddy, I get it. I understand.

01:10:48
Speaker 5: You should have hit him with Matt Fillman from a couple of rows back, and you just do the leaning where you put your hand on his back and whisper up in his ear like that one gal did what's her name?

01:10:57
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't have enough time to asking about it.

01:11:05
Speaker 2: Save it for the Electric.

01:11:09
Speaker 1: He's got to come on, he's got to come on. I mean, he's the go michid Man. Yeah, gotta get him on.

01:11:15
Speaker 5: Ask him about the raider stuff, like, just point blank, are you sucking it up in there?

01:11:18
Speaker 2: Bro?

01:11:18
Speaker 1: Bro? Yeah? Give him his side of the story. You hate Max Crosby? Yeah, what's the.

01:11:24
Speaker 2: Why'd you do that?

01:11:25
Speaker 1: Don't you guys be boys? Yeah?

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01:14:01
Speaker 1: I'm saying, definitely a real is kind of wild because if you think about it what happened or rolling right now. I kind of love the idea of believing that concussions don't exist. Like I am like I've.

01:14:15
Speaker 2: We're starting off.

01:14:16
Speaker 1: This is where my brain is. You don't have to coasent on any of this.

01:14:19
Speaker 2: I think science is fake. Is also.

01:14:25
Speaker 1: Just the thought process of ignorance is bliss. Like think about in high school when you're like starting to train, you're learning about lifting, You're learning about like oh if I eat more protein, I'll get bigger, stronger, faster, and then you go to ChFC. Also science. So basically what I'm saying is there's levels to science in my brain, Like there's like how far into science do I want to get before I'm like that's the cutoff. That's it. I'm done. Because if I just think if I was still living in the the high school world of like KFC McDonald's subway, I'd be kind of living nice.

01:15:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like in your mind that would like good food.

01:15:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, thinking about gluten micro plastics e MF is the San Francisco forty nine ers facility? Is it plagued with like five G whatever that poem is, Yeah, And it's like how much just do you want to cause the life. So that brings me back to concussions, where I'm just like, hey, maybe if a player thinks they don't exist, that's amazing. It's like, yeah, Poko was talking about it.

01:15:26
Speaker 5: The psychopath in you as a football player listens to that, and you're like, he gets it. This guy gets yep, just the world, Yeah, just the world, team guy, team guy, glue guy.

01:15:38
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

01:15:38
Speaker 1: It's like you're having an argument on the playground and Pookinakul hits you with concussions don't exist, and him like giving that Kurtzignetti, Yeah, you you're on it, brother, Well you figured out the game.

01:15:49
Speaker 5: Or like Pooko would it would be a dude, like if your teammate goes down and he's concussed and they're kind of treating him and looking at him. If Pooka were to say to me, hey, dude, concussions don't exist. We're on the same page.

01:16:01
Speaker 1: We run this and then quietly talked about that individual, it wasn't that hard of me. Yeah, I mean, you remember playing high school ball, like guys would get hurt and you kind of get with your boys. But is he really hurt right real?

01:16:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, definitely, but then you realize quickly that it was You're like, yeah, that was probably real. You know, my shoulder.

01:16:22
Speaker 1: Sucks now, like you didn't even play good.

01:16:25
Speaker 2: I wasn't even good and I'm still injured from the Yeah, so I'd say some of it, you know, concussions. We'll see Jerry still.

01:16:32
Speaker 1: Out, my senior, Jerry is still at a concussions.

01:16:35
Speaker 2: We don't know, we can we can't be too sure. We can't be because we're not scientist or no, yeah, someone is certainly sure of it.

01:16:41
Speaker 1: I have a general studies degree. I am not equipped to tell people whether or not concussions.

01:16:45
Speaker 2: I don't even have a degree, dude, boom. So basically the same we got the same thing.

01:16:50
Speaker 1: So if anything comes out of it's Luke Combs doesn't believe in concussions. Luke Combs doesn't mean you need education. You don't need an education to be successful in life.

01:16:57
Speaker 2: I would say that's scientifically proven that you don't mean that one is scientifically You don't necessarily come.

01:17:03
Speaker 5: Out and just say you're going to donate your brain after you go to see if you have any form of CT.

01:17:07
Speaker 2: And they're like, man, this guy was a real idiot. How did he make it? You know? Yeah, well guess we'll never know.

01:17:12
Speaker 5: Before just an article these guys laughing about brain damage. Yeah, certain yeah, certainly, that's just guys having fun.

01:17:18
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

01:17:20
Speaker 1: But to keep it on savagery of football. Well, we met for the first time. It was a tight Ends and friends. Am I correct saying that tight you tighten you? But they did ten. Yeah, it was called tight Ends and where they did all the music stuff. You came in. It was like three bros hanging out that I haven't seen each other in a long time. Yes, and you started going through football growing up and playing against Brandon Spikes.

01:17:42
Speaker 2: Well playing that's a bit of an overstatement, okay, all right, watching What kind of motor did you have when you were in high school? Not one.

01:17:53
Speaker 1: Cylinder out there?

01:17:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like I was like a like a nice like subcompact. Okay, you know, an oversized body, you know, the motor of a Kia, the body of like a larger minivan. You know, you were the dude who you just wanted to go stand by during practice and hear some good jokes. I literally had a coach that my nickname was jokes. Was my nicknames probably not the nickname you want on the football team, no doubt. Yeah. My nickname wasn't like blade. You know that's indicative of what we'll stand by. Jokes. You're like, yeah, you're gonna struggle making this football team. Yeah, yeah, yeah I did. I did struggle to make the team. But I did, you know, I was there. It was around what was the high school. Yeah, walk us through some high school football experience. In high school football stories, a lot of I was on the ship list a lot that was the I had a coach named Keyes Hour. He played on the Miami Dolphins back in the day. It was a defensive end and he was like probably he might have been in his seventies then, and he was like, I mean he was like spitting dip spit on your hands, like when you were down in the you know what I mean. Like he was that guy like he was there was no concussions, definitely.

01:19:07
Speaker 9: Guy.

01:19:07
Speaker 2: Yeahs were certainly not real to Key's Hour. Awesome guy though. But I would always I was singing a lot in high school too, man, So I would miss like I would miss practice for like chorus ship and the next day I would come back, He's like, well, Combs, you're on my ship list. And he would just tell me that. He would just tell me that, and I was like, well, okay, I could I could see that when he say stuff like just mad that, hey, you're missing practice required basically. Yeah. Yeah, there was no uh, there wasn't any slurs flying around, but it was close. You know, we alreded the line of some slurs flying around. I would imagine. Now you sit there and you're like, I really proved that motherfucker wrong. Yeah. He's a nice guy though. I mean at the time, I can understand it, you know what I mean, He's you're trying to shape young men. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like he probably thinks I'm cool now though, yeah, you know, but I wasn't. I wasn't very cool back then. For sure. Super weak guy for my size relative to my size. So that was always great. That always helped a lot and practice. You know, it wasn't exactly if you could tell wasn't really dialed into the weight room a lot, you know, wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't my happy places double seven, okay, And I was hoping we would get into this on the way over here, because I was thinking about I should have played O line. It was my destiny.

01:20:35
Speaker 1: You know.

01:20:35
Speaker 2: Obviously don't have the size to be in the league by any stretch of the imagination, but I think I would have been good at it. But I was obsessed with playing D line because I just wanted to tackle people. That was like, I didn't want to have any like rules and regulations on how to hit someone.

01:20:50
Speaker 1: Fundamentals were beneath you.

01:20:52
Speaker 2: I just wanted to hit people. That was. That was. It was a good way of doing that, you know. But I remember we go through my entire high school career of my co coaches trying to talk me into playing offensive line, and I was like, I'm not doing this, not aggressive enough for me, even though I wasn't aggressive at all. Really in my mind, I was a highly I did tell you. I'm like, bro, listen, you can't put a leash on a on a rabbit dog.

01:21:17
Speaker 1: Dude.

01:21:17
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I'm gonna get I'm getting somebody on this, you know, Like I'm running down the wide receiver screen from the nose guard position. In my mind, you know, So I remember we have this big like it's the last week of like my senior year, We're just like getting ready to go into the playoffs, and we had an entire teams like we're gonna do an entire team like one on one Oklahoma tournament, like O line, D line, but everybody on the team, every position like and I ended up winning the whole thing, and my coaches were so pissed at the end, and they were like, you, son of a bitch, like you should have played offensive line. I told you this whole time, We told you to play offensive wine. And I was like, yeah, yeah, that's one of my bigger regrets. I wish I would have played offensive line, to be quite honest, because now it's like an art form now. I'm like, damn, yeah, I just didn't have the vision then, man, And not that it would have mattered. I just would have I'd be in the same place now, just with more concussions that would be.

01:22:19
Speaker 3: More.

01:22:23
Speaker 1: When you were in high school, were you as logical as you are sitting here being like this was a dead end road for me, or were you even in high school, like maybe I could be the one.

01:22:33
Speaker 2: I didn't have. I didn't have any any delusions of like ending up where I'm at now, or like being a football player or anything. I was just like, I'm gonna be just like some boring ass dude, probably, which was like because everybody kind of just was you know, I don't know, I just thought that's how the world worked at yeah point, Like my parents, you know, my dad was a maintenance man, my mom worked at the bank. You know, like nobody's a superstar onmy brothers or sisters. So I'm like, I'm just well, I guess you just you go to school and then you go to college, and then you get a job, and then you hate that for thirty years or so, and then you're good. You know. It's kind of what I thought happened. I don't know, it's like, I mean, not that my parents didn't push me to do whatever I want wanted, you know, and like chase my dreams or whatever. But I didn't really even have any dreams at that time other than just like to keep the party going. You know, let's just go to college to just because that's what you do. Yeah, you know, I wasn't like, man, i'd be like a pipe welder, you know. I didn't have like this thing. I didn't know what I wanted to do.

01:23:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't have a y, you didn't have a like this I want to go in life.

01:23:30
Speaker 2: No, it's just like how do I get women to not think that I'm three hundred pounds? You know what I mean? Winter helped, you know what I mean, large coats, things of that nature were very helpful in that endeavor.

01:23:43
Speaker 1: There's like those big north faced jackets mean you can hide a lot.

01:23:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, end state dude winters longer there, Yeah, a lot more winter time. And in Boone, North Carolina.

01:23:51
Speaker 1: When you guys are looking for where they're going to go to college, they're thinking about best education.

01:23:55
Speaker 2: You're thinking where can I I'm thinking where can I hide?

01:23:59
Speaker 1: This is crazy?

01:24:08
Speaker 2: Were the high school team? Yeah, he was three years younger than me, so his freshman year was my senior year, and he was like the emergency quarterback, so he like started for the JB team, but he would dress on Fridays.

01:24:23
Speaker 1: What was he like in high school?

01:24:25
Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't as as like outlandish as he is now, and a good I mean that in a good way, you know what I mean. Like he's great. I mean I love Caleb. He's so funny and he was funny then, but he was more like clean cut, like more kind of like stereotypical, like high school quarterback guy at that time, you know what I mean. He wasn't like outwardly being as funny as he is now. But I mean some of that we I mean, we spent a lot of time hanging out. I played as much as he did, which was not so we spent a lot of time together on the sidelines. We did sling the rock. Yeah he could throw, for sure, but at that time, you're like this, it probably stinks, dude. You don't know. I don't know, like you know, I mean, I was, and I'm like, this guy must be as good as me, which is not good, you know. And then he goes on to winnes State championship and all that stuff after I'm gone. But no, so he Chased was four years older than me, so he graduated when I was in eighth grade. But he was the guy they brought down to the middle school and they were like, look this fucking guy. Pretty good looking, dude, right, you could be this guy if you played football. He was like the like he was like the marketing tool to get me to get concussions for nothing. Sacrifice your mind for the betterment of the program. You know, you'll get absolutely nothing for it. And then Ben Johnson, Dude, Ben Johnson Acey Rends High school played with Chase Rice. They're on the same team head coach of the Bears. Ben was the quarterback Chase.

01:25:59
Speaker 1: Where are we from town?

01:26:00
Speaker 2: It's near like a nuclear it's Asheville, North Carolina. Rico Dowdell also went to our high school. No ship, yeah, kind of.

01:26:15
Speaker 9: I think Rico is around his third year, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but I think Rico is probably I'm not exactly sure what year he graduated, but I would imagine him and Caleb were around each other at least at the same time.

01:26:30
Speaker 2: I don't know that they were. I don't think they were on the same team, but I think Rico would have maybe been like a freshman. Cable was a senior or just graduated somewhere in that neighborhood. So star power coming out of that area, weirdly enough, Yeah, and all like in a really small window of time, you know, because we didn't have anybody cool what everyone in our high school? Ever, how how far away was Brandon Spikes that there was probably like an hour and a half away, like down the mountain from what. We didn't play them regularly. We played them in the playoffs one time, so you got to waitness that man on the field. Yeah, it was terrifying. He looked as old as he does now at eighteen or allegedly eighteen at the time, like full beard, full dreads. Dude, Like it's terrifying. He walks out and you're like, oh, that guy's like, that guy's on the team, got it. Yeah, it's not the strength, cool man, I'm glad that that guy's playing against us.

01:27:23
Speaker 5: How are your coaches trying to fire you up when playing against a Specsmen, they weren't.

01:27:28
Speaker 2: Trying to fire me up. I'm telling you that they were not concerned about what I had going on. They were I think aware of like I mean at that time, he was already committed to Florida at that time, and you know, he's like a five star linebacker at that time. And for good reason, you know, because you're thinking this whole build up, you're doing the whole week of oh, we're playing this guy, this and that. That was a great team. They're always a good team. Shelby's I think he was on Shelby Crest. There's two high schools from there, both always really good. And he comes out and we had a we had a really good running back that year, and he was I think he was going to Western Carolina like and so we're like, this guy's like the best guy ever. Dude, he's the best running back ever. And so our coach is like, we're running fucking straight at this dude, first play and set the tone.

01:28:16
Speaker 1: The boys juiced up.

01:28:17
Speaker 2: Set the tone, dude, let's physical, let's go right. That's not scurting around it, you know what I mean? And boy, did that guy that went horribly wrong and set did set the tone for the game, but not in the way that we had hoped. He's i mean, absolutely annihilated our running back who also had dreads. He gets down over top of him after destroying him for like a two yard loss. After he's blown the full back up. We're running power high at this time. Full back folded, piece of paper gone, running back folded, gets over top of him, grabs a dreadlock and rips it out of his head from his helmet and wraps it around his wrist like a bracelet. And where's it. The rest of the game and that was the end of the game. The game was over at that point.

01:29:07
Speaker 1: Straight up, Like did he look over at the side, did he do anything with it?

01:29:12
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Like he looked over at this online and was like, it's gonna be a long game, coach to our head coach, to the head coach of our team, and it was yeah, it was. It was gnarmally, dude. I was like, Oh, there's levels to this, this is a whole and I'm already bulowed just kind of the base level, like high school football in general. And then that happened and I was like, this guy could be in the NFL like tomorrow if you want.

01:29:37
Speaker 1: This game.

01:29:38
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it was not good, had to be. You could probably google it. I would imagine it's somewhere Shelby Crest versus Ac Rentals High School. This would have been like two thousand and six, probably playoffs.

01:29:50
Speaker 1: Is this your senior year?

01:29:51
Speaker 2: No, this is my sophomore year. Sophomore So I'm also watching this as a frail young child. Yeah, do I really want it? Just something around you're open, the boys out there, stay healthy. You can't have because at the time, dude, I'm on like JV and so I'm like you, thank Gosh, Like, no chance I'm getting in, even though there wasn't anyways, but even though I would have been on the team, there was no chance I was getting in. But I'm really good. Sixty five to fifteen, dude, sixty five to fifteen. Yeah, there you go. That's the game. Yeah, it was god man, Yep, that's the one. And dude, we were we were a good team. Man, we were good. We were not like a bad team. You sure, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. They were there. I mean he was, bro, it's Brandon Spikes.

01:30:42
Speaker 1: Was there other guys you looked out there? You're like, oh shit? Or was it really just one? Like he was the first you have the bus he was.

01:30:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was the guy. You come out and you're like, this guy doesn't even he looks like a man, like a man like someone's dad, Like that's what he looked like in high school. That guy came out, dude, and you're like, wow, we don't have any guys that are like play that at all, dude, any like guys that are six five and like three twenty solid muscle.

01:31:05
Speaker 1: You know, we saw him, so we did. We did the sec championship and he was like part of like one of the commercial breaks in the second quarter or something like that, and Will asked him about this exact story, and he essentially looks and thinks back, He's like, man, that's back when I was first starting to take bodies. I don't remember this motherfucker has killed because legit kill people on the football field.

01:31:28
Speaker 5: He was saying, I took a lot of bodies. Couldn't quite put it together. But maybe when he hears this, he'll be coming on.

01:31:36
Speaker 2: Like I did see a guy cowering in fear, and that was me.

01:31:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the farthest part of the sideline could possibly.

01:31:43
Speaker 2: Be like pussy. So I got an even better story about him from the year before because he was like, he's famous in the whole state at this point, like even his junior year, it's like, this kid's a he's a freak due like he's gonna be a real talent. And he was. So that year, his senior year, they had moved up to four A. We were a four A school.

01:32:03
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah yeah, yeah, it's a high school football player.

01:32:08
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep. It is. So it's three. So the year before they're three A team and they play one of our rival high schools who was a three A school, and my buddy Michael was on the sideline and he's like, the spice is in the game. It's another playoff game, and he's not on the field. So he's not like he's not on the team. He's just a fan and he's like talking shit. Oh, he's like front row with the thing. He's like, you suck, dude. He's like giving him the ship over. The whole thing's like, I don't know if he catches an interception or something happens, runs over to the sideline to my buddy and was like, I'll fucking kill you. And then he was just like he said, he was just like oh god, and he was like he would have he would have killed me. But yeah, but yeahdude, he was he was an animal, say the least.

01:33:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:33:02
Speaker 2: I didn't even met the guy and he's had that great of an impressional Yeah. Check this out, dude. Yeah, so that's wild, dude in that photo. Dude, look at that is That's that's parody right there. Okay, you know that is you can really put it into perspective, dude, Maybe I didn't want to play off ins one. Now that I think about it, he was a super nice dude.

01:33:27
Speaker 1: He was incredibly nice to us.

01:33:29
Speaker 2: He seems like he would be a great guy. He just a dog. Yeah, got the switch. No, turn it on, turn it off.

01:33:34
Speaker 1: And he was part of those like those Tebow years in Florida. I was just like, my god.

01:33:38
Speaker 2: There was actual murders happening. Yeah, yeah, like on and off. Yeah apparently. Yeah, once again, just like to clarify, Yeah, yeah, we were talking to you. He was a gouge and Reno. He got the eyes out you can find remember that Florida Georgia game, like, and it was like it wasn't like maybe it was like no, he's like you can see's eyes and he's like.

01:34:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's attacking that. Yeah.

01:34:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he was getting into it.

01:34:12
Speaker 1: Dude.

01:34:13
Speaker 2: It was a heated rivalry. What are you gonna say? You know, Yeah, can you find the clip? There's got to be there's got to be a clip, because I remember it was a big stink. Dude. It was a big stink when that happened.

01:34:23
Speaker 1: Did you have any thoughts about going to Georgia? You just want to go to upstate. You want to you want to keep the body covered.

01:34:27
Speaker 2: No, I was. I was an app state guy. I mean I went to a I think I went to a summer camp there and like probably eighth grade or something, and I was like, man, man, I want to go here. Oh yeah, this is it. They were like trying to get him off of him, dude, just ripping his eyes out quite literally.

01:34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, he stuck him too.

01:34:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's gnarly dude. That literally.

01:35:01
Speaker 1: Just trying to pull him off.

01:35:02
Speaker 2: He's like, get him off of me. You might kill this guy.

01:35:04
Speaker 1: And every every kid from your high school watching that be like, yeah, that checks all the checks out.

01:35:08
Speaker 2: That must be the same guy. He has the helmet on. But I'm pretty sure that's the same guy.

01:35:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be the same guy.

01:35:16
Speaker 2: Because you don't start there at eye gouging. You don't start there.

01:35:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know what I mean, the eye gouging, the spitting, the dirty play, like you're a line trait.

01:35:27
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get in someone's head that in the sudden, That's not the.

01:35:31
Speaker 1: First time No can game boys in high school. He says take dreads as souvenirs. After he's taking is that full back? Did he finish the game?

01:35:41
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, good for you against his own Yeah, choice, I would imagine, and they're like, you're good, you get this s mount salt, You're good, You're good to go. Yeah.

01:35:55
Speaker 1: Music, Yeah what obviously you're doing music from a young age if you're missing a football practice, Yeah, to go to choire. You said it was yep, when did this passion start for you?

01:36:09
Speaker 2: I just kind of sang forever? Man, I don't know, I just I just always did. For as soon as I could talk, I was singing. I'm not sure why, but I just was. You know, it's kind of like I guess it'd be like, I don't know, it's like being tall or something, dude, like you can just see a truly. I mean, it really is like that. I mean, it's obviously something everybody could get better at anything, but your ability to get better at something is there's some sort of innate ceiling that you will hit right. Like I could never run as fast as the fastest kind of the world, no matter how hard I tried. I just don't have that trait or whatever it is. And uh, I think singing can be similar to that. I just gravitated towards it, enjoyed it, and I don't know, it was a way for me to get through school, which I didn't really love that much. You know. I wasn't a big like it wasn't a big learning guy. You know, at least think I enjoy learning stuff, but only stuff that I want to learn. Yeah, I don't want to, like have to learn things that I don't like. I just completely checked out at that point. So yeah, it was I mean, I was in I mean, I was inquired from sixth grade to I graduate high school. I mean it was a quarter of my entire experience in public school. These means four classes a day, one of them's chorus every day from sixth grade to twelfth grade.

01:37:20
Speaker 1: And when did you decide like, Okay, I'm gonna pursue this.

01:37:23
Speaker 2: There's like twenty one. Yeah it's at app State, like twenty one around that time, and again, I'm in school. I'm not loving it. I was singing in like a couple groups like I don't like. I don't know what you'd call it, like a club or what. I wasn't in, like the music program. You know, I didn't want to major in music because again there would have been I felt like it would have taken some of the joy out of it for me a little bit, and I just didn't. I struggle a lot with like reading music. You know, I can do it, but it takes me a long time. I'm not great at I'm not great at like math and music when you break it down, like it's very mathematical if you're like when you're really trying to get into like the science of music, that part I struggle with and it takes me a long time to get through things like that. So that was that would have been a huge challenge in majoring in music, you know, it would have been like I'm just not cut out for this version of like doing music for a living. And at the time, so at the time, I just was I was like, well, I'm just not going to do music. I'll just be hobby that I have and that'll be fine, as I enjoyed doing it, and I'll do something else. And then when I picked the guitar up, it all just kind of made sense.

01:38:35
Speaker 1: You know.

01:38:36
Speaker 2: I picked it up, and not that I'm particularly good at it, you know, I can get by basically, but I knew my voice was strong enough at that time to just for people to be able to see past that, Like if I started singing, they wouldn't even care what the guitar was doing. As long as it was passable to some extent, that would be fine with it. And so I started to start playing once basically the summer after my junior year at Apps State, and I picked it up, spent all summer learning it because I didn't have anything else going on. Besid's working, which i've you know, hated. I was like fucking like it was working the same job I worked in high school, which was brutal. It was awesome. In high school. I was working at a like a like a giant imagine, like a giant chuck e cheese on steroids. It's called Ashville's Fun Depot RP. It's no longer around indoor go carts, outdoor go carts, climbing wall, bumper cars, laser tag, mini golf. It's a dream high school gig. This is it, Oh man, man, I've ripped a lot of parts in that place. That place, dude, that place was that place ripped. It was a great job to have in high school. But then when I went back at twenty one, it was still a great job to have in high school. And so I was like, oh, man, now I'm the weird older guy that works here, and this is It was a stark It was like a stark vision into the future of like, if I don't figure something out like this is, this could be it for me, you know, And I was not okay, you know, I was just kind of started getting depressed about like, man, is this gonna be like what I'm doing? Am I gonna be like working laser tag when I'm forty years old? You know, It's like, we really don't want to be doing that. You know, I can't imagine any woman is gonna want to marry a guy that's working laser tag at forty forty five, at least any woman that I would potentially be interested in marrying. Yeah, you know, so it was but it was at that summer needed to happen, man, you know, for this to all come to fruition. It just needed to happen that way, And that kind of self conversation was kind of propelled you kind of sparked the motivation to dive deeper into your uh, into your like artistic side with music. Yeah, it was just it was just you know, I I'm there and I'm basically like I picked the guitar, but my parents had bought me a guitar in seventh grade and I didn't really play it at all or use it. It was just one of those things. It was like another thing my parents wanted me to do that I didn't want to do at that time, if that makes sense. And so I had that same guitar in the closet and my mom was like I was sitting on the like on the deck out back or on the side of the house somewhere and just bummed out. I had like work to shift and came home and it's like it's summer, Like none of my friends are in town anymore. They're all in you know, Raleigh or Chapel Hill or back in Boon or wherever they're at in school, and I'm just at home live with my parents, like basically failing out of college at the time too, and just going like what am I going to do? Man? Like I'm not going to finish school Like I knew it basically had accepted it at that time, like really like I'm not going to you know, I'm just digging myself into this giant like financial hole to like continue to like put off the inevitable, which is like not finishing school and I'm working this kind of like menial job living at home, and I'm like, I'm like, dude, year and a half, bro, I might be here for real, like living at my parents' house, like not going back to school and like not having any end insight to this thing. And that was like super depressing to be a part of. And my mom came out and she's like, why don't you play that guitar that you know we bought you or whatever, and she told me. The famous line that she told me was like we need Kenny Chesney and Tim McGraw didn't learn to play guitar till they were twenty one. And whether that's true or not, I still don't know, maybe given that a fact check, but she if she made up that lie, it worked big time because I was like, man, if those guys can do it, I could probably do it too, you know. And so it was basically I picked it up as just a means to like. It wasn't like I picked it up. I was like, well, this will be my job. I just picked it up. I'm like, well, this will at least get me through this summer, you know what I mean? Eighteen or nineteen, Okay, hedged it a little bit, but I.

01:42:56
Speaker 1: Like that nothing.

01:42:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not bad. It's not bad by your mom. Yeah, great pool. And man, I fell in love with it that summer. And I always loved singing and just started trying to learn other people's songs and singing them. And because I was like, man, anytime I would play, you know, I'd bring my guitarsmore and player. If people were at my house and I was playing, people loved it, you know, even though it wasn't very good you know, to me at that time. And it just kept progressing. Man, I just kept going down that path. And then I don't know, fast forward, maybe a year and a half, I'm like booking my first show, which was today, maybe today, fourteen years ago today or yesterday was my first show ever. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy, man.

01:43:45
Speaker 5: So what led to you getting to book your first show? Because you talk about like just playing around your friends and stuff like that, but are you like out in public playing to where somebody notices?

01:43:53
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm like, I'm I'm basically coming up with this plan in the apartment at this point, and I'm like, I think I could be good enough to do you know, like an hour or whatever and just play for people I knew. I was like, I knew a bunch of my friends would come if I, you know, if I invited them and stuff and played my first show at the Parthenon Cafe is no longer there either, in Boone and but I played rugby in college and I loved it, man, because it was just like everything I wanted out of football is like almost no strategy and just pure violence.

01:44:24
Speaker 1: You know.

01:44:25
Speaker 2: It was like, which is so sick? And uh so, yeah, there it is. That's my first show ever. Uh good. Borrowed my neighbor's guitar at the sun my guitar, I borrowed another friend's PA system and it was a dollar to get in and I made two hundred bucks, which was more than I made it both my jobs that week. And I was like, I was like, bro, this is this is it? Like that that was the day that I was like, this is what I'm gonna do it fourteen years ago today, fourteen years ago today, I was like, this is it, man, Like I can do this, and it wasn't even like I'm want to be some big star. That wasn't the that was the thought. But I'm like, this is something I could do and really enjoy and make a living and be happy doing this. That was the idea. That was when the light bulb went off. And then as things continue to progress, like more and more people were just coming to the shows, and you know, over the course of the next two years, basically I spent every waking moment like I was putting together press kits for myself, like sending them off to bars and restaurants all around North Carolina saying, hey, book me for this show. You know, I'd basically play for you know, paying me a hundred bucks or whatever, and I'll come because I knew I could throw the tip jar out and make you know, fifty seventy five more bucks that way, and it was worth it because it was just me and my buddy Adam. Basically we just getting my car his car and drive down the mountain and play for a couple of hours and come home and have fun too. It's like you're drinking free and eating free, and you know, people like everybody thinks you're great when you're playing music, like if you're decent, even if you're decent at a bar, people are like, this guy's awesome.

01:46:01
Speaker 1: People love music.

01:46:03
Speaker 2: People love music.

01:46:04
Speaker 1: Especially when the expectations low.

01:46:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're just like I'm in some chicken wing restaurant somewhere in Winston Salem'm like, how good can this guy be?

01:46:11
Speaker 1: Yeah?

01:46:12
Speaker 2: How bad can he be? Ye? Really bad? He could be really bad, but you know, oh, dar, he's not going to be the next whatever. You know, So it was always like a pleasant surprise. That's me and Adam there. That was the day we met, actually and met him. He lived in He's from Boone, originally went to high school there and had went to play baseball somewhere and then transferred back to APP. And I would watch a lot of his videos, and I didn't know he went to APP, didn't know he's from there. But he played a lot of covers of a lot of the songs that I liked, and his hands were always visible, so I could see how he was playing the songs, and that's how I would learn songs. It was like I'd watch some of his videos and then one of the videos he came out in an APP state hat and I was like, you gotta be shitting me, dude, is this like a random hat? It's like popped to like Google or whatever. I don't know Facebook, I guess on this guy and I sent him a message and I'm like, hey, man, do you live in Boom like I saw one of year. I've watched a bunch of your videos and he was like, yeah, man, I'm from here. I live here, and he lived like five minutes in the road from me, and then he came over to my house. That was the first thing we ever did together. And we played hundreds of shows after that in town together. So he had some like gigs he was already booking, so he kind of let me glob onto those, and then I let him glob onto my gigs. So we doubled our gigs and split the money so twice as many people would see us play, and then we'd still make the same amount of money because any show was a good show then, Like it was like anywhere that would let you play anytime, right, Yeah. I played a coffee shop on a Tuesday in the middle of afternoon sometimes. If that was what I could get, that's what I would take, you know. And it worked out. Man, it worked out. It was crazy, dude. Some of the videos too, looked like you were spread some of the awareness through social platforms like Vine oh big time. Yeah. Vin was huge for me. And that was it wasn't intentional. It wasn't like, now it's a strategy right, like now it's like social media is the game. Back then, it was kind of this uncharted territory. Everybody was on it, but no one had discovered it as a marketing tool or a business TOOLALI, So it's kind of unintentionally. So, yeah, it wasn't like, you know, what would be great is to like get a bunch of followers and then get those people to all potentially buy songs and tickets. Like it just kind of turned into that. There was no like, there was no light bulb moment. It was just like that's what everybody my age was doing at that time, and then it became this this big thing that that ultimately became like one of the main reasons for my success because I had leverage. When I came to Nashville, I was already selling a bunch of tickets and I was already selling my own songs, and I didn't even realize that was a big deal.

01:48:52
Speaker 1: So as you're coming to Nashville like what it looks like it could be.

01:48:57
Speaker 2: That's it's a hefty You're a hefty boy coming in.

01:49:01
Speaker 5: You're leveraging against what when you come to Nashville, like compared to what most most most artists go up against when they come here.

01:49:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not the trend anymore obviously, with you know, now everybody's figured out the social media game. So that's the way you do it is you know, back then it was like everybody would just move to Nashville on a wing and a prayer with a dream, you know, and it's like everybody's unproven. You have nothing to offer, really the label or anyone that would sign you other than this guy we think could maybe have potential. That was the only thing you could offer. Now kids are coming to town with well, I've sold one hundred thousand copies of my songs and I'm doing shows and I have two million TikTok followers, and it's like it's undeniable, right, Like you can't argue with those statistics. But back then I came not with those kind of numbers, but with numbers that were really good, and nobody had anything. And I didn't even really use that as a selling point, you know. I was just kind of like I thought that's what everyone had. I was like, well, you moved to Nashville, dude, Like you're ready to be Like you're in the league, dude, you know what I mean. It's like showing up to the to the basically to the super Bowl and you're like, oh, I've never actually played but and it's like, what are you talking? What do you mean you've never played before? But like that was what was going on. It was just you just come to town and see how good you were, the good guy in your little town, and then you come and see how you stack up against everybody else.

01:50:29
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, come with that type of leverage.

01:50:33
Speaker 5: I'll just go say, like what is that leverage by, Like what does that leverage get you?

01:50:37
Speaker 2: On the business side of things?

01:50:38
Speaker 1: Because Jelley was a few years ago, he was breaking down how like the record labels work, how they fund you money at the percentage points, and he's trying to flip it and all that, Like how.

01:50:48
Speaker 2: Does he put so many different kind of breakdowns. I'm always just fascinated. Yeah, I mean it it grant so like I got passed on by Sony my first year in Nashville, and then I ended up signing with them two years later, And that is one of the best things that ever happened to me, dude, because two years later, I've got my first album is done. I basically own the entire thing. I license it to the label. I'm already selling out my own shows. So then when it comes down to negotiating the points of the deal, I'm like, well, I could just not sign and just keep doing what I'm doing. I don't need to sign.

01:51:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was some something that Sony offers that makes it?

01:51:32
Speaker 1: Oh?

01:51:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a this is a great move.

01:51:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because when you're talking about I can already sell my own shows out of my album done, you have obviously if a fan base established, what could Sony give you radio?

01:51:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at that time, that's the only thing you really needed at that time, that was radio.

01:51:48
Speaker 5: Like Sony has a bunch of slots.

01:51:50
Speaker 2: Or they have a whole team that goes out and basically they know everyone at every you know, reporting radio station in the country. So they that's how you know your song doesn't get on the radio by accident, dude, especially at that time, it was very gate kept, you know. And that's not cost big money to get on the radio tub. I mean big money in the terms of the people, the amount of people it took to work your records, you know. I mean they have a whole you know. So like at that time, I'm at Sony. There's three imprints at Sony at that time, so there's Sony, Columbia, Sony Arista, an RCA, I believe, so there's three teams. So like if I'm at Columbia, then Kenny Chesney at the time was at RCA or Arista, and Brad Paisley was at one of the other two, and Carrie Underwood was there and came Brown had just got signed, and Chris Young is there, and it's they're all different imprints, and each imprint had its own radio team of five people, so like ahead of promotion, a Southeast REP, a Northeast REP, a Midwest REP, a Southwest REP, and a Northwest Rep just to work your song to radio. So then they would take your song and go, hey, we've got this new guy, and listen to this song. Get your like, actually sit down and listen to it. They were basically A and R and your song to the radio, and you could do these deals where we'd be like, okay, well, you know, if you sit down and listen to the song, like, well, you know there's that big Kenny shows coming up, you know what I mean, Like probably want to come chill at that, you know what I mean, Like be cool to chill at the Kenny show, you know. And it's like that's all understood, and it's not like it's you know, back in the day, they would just show up with briefcases of money. In the seventies, it was like here's a bunch of money, played the song, and like, Okay, that doesn't happen anymore, you know, And now it's completely different because streaming is way different, and you know, that stuff still kind of baffles me, like how those things work. I would imagine there's something kind of similar is going on maybe and it's not the slight to anyone or anything. It's just the nature of the business at that time. But you couldn't do that on your own. You need a team that knows how to how to play, like you need basically you need a coaching staff almost, and to put it in sports terms, like you need to like here's the play. We're gonna run. You have the skill to run the play. Let us go, let us go show everybody what you can do. Let us get you on the field. Yeah with everyone, you know what I mean. So it's it's a crazy business. But yeah, I mean, the difference could be these are all well fake numbers of this thing. So let's say you know those old arithmetic questions where they'd be like, would you rather have a penny a second for every day for rest of your life? Or dold you rather have a penny and double it for a month? Or would you rather have a thousand dollars every day for ten years? And you're like, you tried to like do the math on which one of those is better. But record deals are the same way. So it's like, let's say a label comes to you and says you're a new artist with no leverage, and they go, hey, man, we'll give you two million bucks up front, Like maybe the signing bonuses five hundred thousand dollars non recoupable, So you get the two million dollars, five hundred thousand dollars of it is yours, no strings attached. The other million and a half you're gonna basically is an interest free loan that you're going to pay back to us after you've made money, because we took all the inherent risk to sign you to the deal, and then as you earn, like as you're earning power increases, we take that money back. And then let's say they go, well, you're gonna make we're gonna take twenty five percent of all the tickets you sell, twenty five percent of all the t shirts you sell, seventy five percent of all the records you sell, or whatever. Or you could take a deal and say, hey, two years later, you've got all this leverage and you go, hey, I don't want any money upfront at all. And they're like that always blows their mind. They're like, what do you mean you don't want any money? Like, don't eat it. I'd rather have the the percentage points back over time. And so well, maybe you guys keep no percentage of mind and no percentage of my tickets, and you keep ten percent of the record because it's it's huge now, so the ten percent maybe more than the deal you were already offering me. But a lot of people let's say you're I don't know, you're freaking Elton John and you sign that deal when you have nothing, and then they got you in that deal for seven year for seven records. That could be like you're almost your whole career, right yeah. I mean I'm not even on my seventh record yet. This will be my sixth record that I'm promoing right now. So I can't imagine being in a deal that was structured that way and they have no incentive to negotiate. Why would they change your deal at this point? That was the whole goal, is to get you to this point where the labels just like printing money, and that's the nature of the business man. It's not like a slide at the way labels operate, but it's like some of those big long deals are definitely set up to be advantageous for them in the end as opposed to you, which is just because at the time they were taking all the risk because nobody was coming to town with anything, and they're basically fronting you millions of dollars to start your career, and then the way you pay them back is a percentage of of your earnings over the rest of your career, basically a high interest loan. Even though it's a no interest. You know, when you pay it back, you don't, you know, it doesn't increase, but they just make a ton on the end.

01:57:20
Speaker 1: When you first get to Nashville, do you have representation already? Are you kind of running solo? You're knocking on doors, You're going down the music row?

01:57:27
Speaker 2: No I'm not. I'm not going down like those days were long over at that that at one time was the was the process, Like you could just go down and knock on it. This time you wouldn't even know an even answered. They'd be like, don't answer that. Some random guy with a guitar here brutal, you know, which would be brutal. It would be a lot of brutal, brutal run ins with people, I would imagine. And it's I mean, I'm there. I have no manager, I have no booking agent, I know anything. So I just moved to town. I had enough money to not have to work just from playing shows, and I had released a couple of songs in college, so I wasn't worried about, like how am I going to make a living? I knew at least too, I got at least two years of like just cruise control, Like, yeah, I can just go out and network and try to write songs with people and see what happens. In this two year period. That was basically my mind what was going to happen. You know, It's like, just see what happens for two years and then Readjust so I did that, man. I would write five days a week for weeks and weeks on end, go play writers nights, go try to meet people, and then it wrote. You know, eventually what was my first record? Not really even intentionally, it's just like, well, I got all these songs and I need to put some more songs out, and then I made an EP and then that transitioned into making a record, and it just all kind of fell into place. You know. It was just it was like, for lack of a better term, like baby steps. Man. Like it was like there was I was never looking at the finish line. I was just always looking at the next step. I believe, what's the next thing I need to do, you know, like get to the next thing, and then I can get to the next thing. And then ultimately, all of a sudden, you're like at the top and you're like weird, yeah, weird that like because none of it felt it didn't feel like this big task because I was never looking at how many steps I had left. I was just like, well I can't get to the next one. That's easy, just you know, just to the Yeah, just to go from here. It's pretty black and white. It was like, I mean, there's no playbook, but it was just it became obvious over time. Let's just do whatever we got to do to like get to the next point and like continue and give ourselves a better chance every day. And it was fun, man, it was those were fun times. Well, we're a.

01:59:39
Speaker 5: Couple of like pivotal relationships you made that kind of you know, kind of catapulted into the next baby steps or maybe you got to you know, you got to go through a baby step fast because of a you know, certain relationships that you had made that you're like, oh man, this will be Yeah.

01:59:54
Speaker 1: Been big for my career, and now that I look back on.

01:59:56
Speaker 2: It, yeah, I I mean meeting meeting my kind of group of guys that I you know, still write with to this day was huge. I mean when that record came out, I think every person that wrote on that album, I think there was only one person that even had a publishing deal, so like we're all basically guys and gals that just met each other at the bar that wrote that record, which is like my biggest record, you know. Yeah, And it was all just like that was like love of the game, like just trying to write the best stuff we could write and then ultimately turns into this like huge album that like changes my life or whatever. So those were the first important, but the first important relationships that I had. When I got to town. I ended up at a a friend of mine had a showcase at the Exit Inn, and he was like, do you want to come play before me at you know, like a showcase is basically you've been in town for a while, you're decently established, you know enough people where you can it's basically open invite to people in the industry to come watch you perform. It's almost like an audition for like a record deal or a publishing deal or a booking deal or whatever. Like you invite people from all these agencies to come, and that it's only happening when you have like a lot of momentum going on. So he asked me to come play like first of four, like first guy, and I played like just by myself, maybe with like Kurt, who's like in my band now but at the time he wasn't. And we played a couple of songs acoustic. So I played my set, a couple of songs, end up backstage and there's like a bunch of dudes back there like suit it out, like doing the whole thing stereotypical, right, like suits, you know. Yeah, and they're like, hey man, we work for this book an agency called APA was the name of the agency. They're big in a lot of other entertainment spaces, but in Nashville they were relatively new getting into the country music world, so their Nashville office wasn't very big, and they were like, we'd love to set up a me with you or whatever. I'm like, listen, dude, I'm in if you guys can get me shows. I'm in, Like, if you can get book shows for me, Like that would take a ton off my plate because I basically wasn't able to play any shows because all my connections were back in North Carolina and so I wasn't gonna commute, you know, eight hours to go make tun or Bucks. It just didn't make sense anymore. So I always knew that the only way I'm gonna get anybody to be interested in my music at all is get in front of them, like no one's gonna look at a picture of me and go, this guy's a star. We got to get this guy up here. I just knew that it's just the harsh reality of my life at that time, and it's really my life now still, to be honest, but it's like you just know, you know, yeah, you just you just know. You're like, okay, well, I mean the people that are crushing at that time are Florida, Georgia, Line, Sam Hunt, Chase Rice, Like, I mean, those dudes are hot, bro Like, they're hot, and like I'm not hot, and I'm not tall, I'm not in shape, and I'm like, you know, I wasn't like an ex college athlete or like they have all these good they have great stories and they're good looking, and they're like charismatic, you know, like and so I'm like, man, I got nothing on these guys. And uh So at the time, it was like nobody in town was interested in signing a guy like me because it's like, well, this is the thing that's working, ain't this guy in Nashville loves to play it safe man. Like when they see a thing that works, they love to go. Let's find more of that thing that works and just continue to hammer that until somebody breaks the mold, and then we'll just pour everyone else into that same mold, you know. And again it's no fault because it's a low risk. Like you know that people love fgl So you sign Chase or you sign sam Hunt like you like, it's just it's a plug and play kind of thing.

02:03:52
Speaker 1: Right, He's not a bad thing, but the play book you might as well used to play with.

02:03:56
Speaker 2: Everybody's running three tight end. Let's run three tight end, you know what I mean, let's all do it. You know it's working, and I mean, look at this guy. This guy's beautiful, dude. Look at this guy. He's beautiful, dude. He's incredibly talented guy. You know, he's like probably he's like shooting like ski and like old like fils and stuff. And you're like, this guy's cool, dude. You know, nobody thinks about me in that vein. Would you type in like super hot.

02:04:25
Speaker 1: This here, this guys off with his looks.

02:04:31
Speaker 2: But there's one of those guys.

02:04:32
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. This guy makes me more mad than snow.

02:04:35
Speaker 2: It's hard to compete.

02:04:38
Speaker 1: With this. Look at that man, chiseled, chiseled chisel.

02:04:43
Speaker 4: And so.

02:04:46
Speaker 5: There's no pictures of me, you know, they're just just not and uh, you need to just take You need to like recreate a lot of type comes.

02:05:00
Speaker 2: Shirtless and I guarantee there's not many. Uh, there you go. This is more my drip here, dude, boxy, you know, flattering kind of you know, lean into like the bad genetics, you know, like the closed eyes and like the not fully grown in beard, like lean into that stuff.

02:05:21
Speaker 1: You do, you do need to take like this starting out era of the Sam Hunts and Riley Green and just photoshop your face on top of them.

02:05:28
Speaker 5: Sure, just recreate some of the photos, like you get the boat one that Leys just on he just drops one when we got shirtless and what buff Oh yeah.

02:05:38
Speaker 2: That's gonna that's gonna come up, oh baby. Surprisingly not hairy though up top, which is weird like episode, but it's very shaven. That's that's what gives me the little I'm gonna have this in my room though every day and be like it's gonna be me man.

02:06:01
Speaker 1: You know, dead guy's ticking bread and spikes out.

02:06:03
Speaker 2: Yeah he's got he's got a chance. At least he stands a chance. But so I'm up against kind of that thing at the time, which is the normal Nashville look and mold at that time. And the really the big pivotal moment there we go that guy is taken out the spikes for sure, and the mold. It's like the guy that really breaks the mold is christ Apleton. Me coomes out and just bad ass bro like incredible singer, incredible writer. If you lived in Nashville, you knew who Chris Stapleton was. You just already knew. You know, it was a travesty. It took that long for him to get to that point, you know. I mean he was like he was your favorite writer's favorite writer in town at that time. You know it still is. But when he did that performance with Timberlake at the CMAS, it was a whole different. It just blew them like it was this groundbreaking moment of like everybody in town new without talking to each other, Like shit just changed for sure, because like if it ain't that good, it ain't gonna work, dude, because now people know the cat's out of the bag, dude, Like people know that exists, and that's gonna be an issue.

02:07:17
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

02:07:19
Speaker 2: That's gonna be an issue for hot dudes everywhere right now. And it's taken a while for there to be a new hot dude. You know, you got Ryley now, but still not a lot of super hot dudes running around Jelly not hot dude. I'm not hot, We're not hot. It's fine, Yeah, it's okay, you know what I mean. And so really, if the Stapleton moment doesn't happen, I don't know that my stuff happened shakes out in the same way because then people were willing to go Now my stuff took off. I mean maybe when was that Stapleton? Yeah, well do you know the date on that? If you know the date, I could really really don't think your stuff takes off without not in the same way, but like not, maybe it does, but I don't know if it takes off in Nashville within the industry, Like, I don't know that I get some of the chances I get without that moment. Got you know, twenty fifteen. Okay, so I'm living in Nashville. I moved in September of fourteen. So this happens November of fifteen. So I've already got Hurricane already written it, had already released it on my own, but still nothing was really going on with it. And this happens, and then and then I start getting like people are knocking on my door like they're like, bro, we need we need ugly guy. Dude, this is your time, Bro, this is you're the guy. I'm like, yes, so yeah, I get my deal.

02:08:45
Speaker 1: And did you have any when you see this go down? I'm sure you watched it.

02:08:48
Speaker 2: I watched it live.

02:08:49
Speaker 1: You watch it live, did a piece of you go, I've got this is it? This is my time?

02:08:53
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, oh, this is incredible, No, it wasn't this is my time. It was a this is a absolute ground like like a magnetic like polar shift in what will be popular in country music. And it won't happen tomorrow, but this is the start because of how successful and how much people were just you can just yeah, you just watched it and you just knew it was so different than anything you had seen on the CMA Awards in a long time. And then the reaction to I mean, he just becomes a star like overnight. I mean, obviously he was. I mean, he was an OG at that point in the game, but nobody knew about him outside of town unless you were listening to the Steel Drivers. And then even then it was just he was the singer of the steel Drivers.

02:09:39
Speaker 1: Was Chris Stapleton and the steel Drivers?

02:09:41
Speaker 2: Or was just just the steel Drivers? Yeah, he was just the lead singer for the steel Drivers and was righting a lot of that stuff too. But he was pretty famous in town amongst amongst writers and artists and stuff, and everyone was like, how is this guy not huge, dude? Because everyone was scared to take the risk man, Like it was like, I mean, I would be I would love to know the sort of how that CMA performance even came together, because it wasn't like he had some big deal, and it was like he was this new artist and everybody knows he's about to blow up, so let's put him in the CMA Awards. It's like, all of a sudden, he's on there and you're like, is that Chris Stapleton? Like damn, that guy's badass, dude. Yeah, and then just everybody became country. It was I mean, it was, I mean, it really was, man, It was groundbreaking dude, and that was so cool as a fan of the genre and as a guy felt like guys would like myself didn't really get a chance at that time, Like you saw it and was like, oh this guy, Like I'm cheering for this guy, Like I don't care if it affects me or not, but like I'm pumped at this guy's getting because to me, I felt like at that time a little bit, I was a little bit like bummed out because I'm going, well, man, what's it take to get a chance? Dude? Like how good do you have to be? It would be like if everybody in the NBA had a twenty inch vertical and you had a forty five inch vertical and they were like, uhh, no jumping. You guy that jumps good, don't jump at all. Let these other guys jump. People like watching these guys jump. They're good, they're good looking guys. They jump okay, And then all of a sudden, this fucker gets up and hits the fifty inch vertical and you're like, oh people can jump that high. Wow. Yeah yeah, And I was like, oh man, they might let me get it. They might let me get a jump in it. Jumping you know what I mean. I was like, now I might get a chance to show show myself a little bit.

02:11:32
Speaker 1: You know, were you ever like jaded to the situation before the script Chris Stapleton.

02:11:36
Speaker 2: Came up not too bad in some ways.

02:11:38
Speaker 1: You had to be this some extent. Everybody's got that piece, You're like, fuck that guy.

02:11:42
Speaker 2: Well, because there was a lot of like, there was a lot of guys who I felt like at that time and again, this is like, this is not the way I feel now, But the way I felt then was like man like I'm like, bro, like this is nice, not braggy. This is just the mindset of me at this time. Young dude feels like he can play ball with the best of them, going, I am a lot better than these other guys they're doing this, and like why like why can't I even get on the field.

02:12:10
Speaker 1: With these guys, which is the most normal thing.

02:12:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like I can hang like whatever, Like, let me up there and I'll show you what it's what playing ball looks like. Not that I'm the best guy in the world or anything, but I felt I had a supreme confidence in my ability to get up and sing and perform with anybody that was doing it or anybody that's doing it now, and maybe that's you know, maybe that's like oblivious, or maybe that's ridiculous to you.

02:12:37
Speaker 1: Just take it for better or worse.

02:12:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can. I can do at least get the same shot as everyone else. And I'm not getting that shot right now, and so I'm just gonna have to go earn my shot and make it myself. And so when Apa offered me that booking deal, I was like, dude, I'll do whatever, man like book me shows, cause I'm just gonna have to go prove to anybody and everybody that I can hang. And that was going out and playing shows. I knew if I played in a room of fifty people and I came back to that town the next year, there'd be one hundred or two hundred, And if I just kept doing that, it would just double or triple every time until we're playing in stadiums today.

02:13:13
Speaker 5: Just like you know, it's it's late night, you're about to go to bed, you're looking at yourself in the mirror, and you're like, it's time to get out steroids.

02:13:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, still.

02:13:23
Speaker 1: Yesterday's to reshape the phy.

02:13:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got be cool. Probably not like from a health standpoint in the long r but for the short term it would rip. Dude, I would be I'd be unbearable. I always tell that guy's a menister that get some testosterone. Always tell my buddies. I'm like, God made me fat for a reason because if I was in good shape, I would be miserable to be around. Like people would just be like, God, here was this guy again, and she's funny. He's definitely taking his shirt off.

02:14:00
Speaker 1: You know.

02:14:00
Speaker 2: It's just like, Mae, like, you would hate me if I was in good shape. But then I'm like, you see me and I'm rocking a three X shirt. You're like, you know what, Scot, I'm not worried that my my girlfriend's fall in love with this guy. She's not going to look at this guy love. You're not afraid of that guy. That guy's in the bar. That's not mister steel your girl right there.

02:14:20
Speaker 1: Dude.

02:14:20
Speaker 2: It just is it just is not you know what I mean. That's just the way it is, and that's okay with me.

02:14:25
Speaker 1: You know, before this Chris Stapleton twenty fifty, had you met Chris Stapleton before that.

02:14:33
Speaker 2: Had met him at this.

02:14:34
Speaker 1: So when you're getting to Nashville and your brain you're like.

02:14:37
Speaker 2: Well, I was there. I was already in town. I just like we were in different lead. So he was way above this. I've seen this AI picture of us beautiful that in a nice like, hey man, can we do a whole photo shoot together walking in the field. Yeah, between having a bunch of kids and stuff. I know we both got a bunch of kids, but like, let's go hang out man and just do it. Let's just do the thing. Yeah, that is nice. No one's making those those already existed.

02:15:16
Speaker 3: Yeah.

02:15:17
Speaker 2: Wow, huh.

02:15:19
Speaker 1: It makes you think a little bit.

02:15:20
Speaker 2: Huh you think it's like a sex thing a little bit. You think there's someone that's like, I'm into like half to your guys on this, there's a category right there, for sure.

02:15:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure that makes that happen. Yeah, but when you're getting to Nashville, who are you?

02:15:34
Speaker 2: Who are you thinking?

02:15:35
Speaker 1: In your brain? I got to meet these people, and then when you learn the game and who, like I really got to meet these people.

02:15:41
Speaker 2: I think it was a lot of it for me with songwriters were the people that I wanted to meet because I knew that they could make me better, and I knew I could learn a lot from them, And that was my big focus at that time, was being the best I could be, so that I knew whenever I did get my shot, that I was even more prepared for it than I thought that I was. And I wanted to write people that were better than me, better singers, better guitar players, and basically everyone was you know what I mean, Like, there's a lot of really talented people in this town, man, and I think those were the people that I really gravitated towards. Was, man, how did this? You know? Like Jonathan Singleton is a dear friend of mine. He produces my records with me now and we own a publishing company together. He gave me my first publishing deal and when that happened, it was like a dream, Dude. I was like, this guy is like he's like one of my heroes, like one of my songwriting heroes. Like he's written all these I mean, his first cut was watching airplanes, Gary Allen, the first thing he ever got caught, you know.

02:16:39
Speaker 1: What I mean.

02:16:40
Speaker 2: And it's just he's written I mean twenty something number ones, maybe thirty, close to thirty now or something a decent amount of which we've written together with each other, and a few we've written for other people together. And just being able to be in rooms with those people, man, is like, it's just that's my favorite thing to do. Is like to not like to go into a room and know, I never think I'm the best guy in the room, man, Like, that to me is the wrong attitude. Like what can I learn from this person? How can this person make me better? How can I be there? Be there for them if they're not having their best day in the writing room, Like like, how can I be a good team player? Man? And the thing I love about writing songs is it really is a collaborative thing. Now there's a lot of people who can write really great songs by themselves, you know, and I've done that myself, but it's I like the process of us doing it together, man Like, that's the thing that I derive a lot of joy from because then we can all I guess back to the first record, man, my first seven singles, it was everyone that wrote on them's first number one song. And that's that's not just seven people, it's like fourteen people. So it's like everybody's break was like we did it all. We all did it together, you know, and that's the that's like you can't even you know, you can't recreate that, man like because now all those people basically have full time songwriting gigs and have written number one songs for other people. And that was like their break as much as it was mine was getting and I take a lot of pride and I have a lot of joy, you know from being able to like not only make my own dreams come true, but help my friends accomplish their goals too, you know, because if we if we can't, if we don't have each other, like what do we have? You know, like doing it all by yourself would just be you know, be kind of like, well, who do you even talk to about it? You know, like who are you even excited? Who's even excited about it? If you don't have anybody to call and go? You know, you have the number one party with your you know, your best buddies in town. I mean that's like awesome. You know, it's dream come true stuff. You know.

02:18:43
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's been your aside from this album? It's been your favorite.

02:18:48
Speaker 2: Album to write? Oh, Fathers and Sons for me, And there's no question I don't think it will ever, you know, I mean, this is what I do. Man.

02:18:56
Speaker 4: Now.

02:18:57
Speaker 2: You know it's look like I have high blood pressure and hang out with my kids, you know what I mean. It's like that's kind of my deal right now.

02:19:06
Speaker 1: And you know I love to tell you in too, with like the relationship you had with your dad.

02:19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, it's like I mean, it's you know, it's I mean, parenting is is a difficult thing. You know. It's like there's no there's no playbook for it. I mean, everybody's version of right and wrong ways of doing it are different, and how everybody approaches it is different. And you know, I just wanted my kids to know when they're older, obviously even now, but even when I made this record, not old enough to understand it. Like, my kids are just getting to like where they don't want me to go places before they just be like I'm leaving and they're like, Okay, we'll get the fuck out of here. Why are you telling me like I'm playing I'm playing magnetiles, dude, get like magnet so hard. Kids all they want to do is smash them though, dude, But they don't want to the ages of three and a half, two and a half and do in a month. Congratulations, bro, thank you, thank you. Yes, I went with you on that.

02:20:02
Speaker 5: I have a three and a one year old, and a three year old is now like it's she gets very heartbroken when you're leaving.

02:20:08
Speaker 2: It sucks. My kids asked me all day because I was just in l A for a week doing some album stuff and my oldest son text was like, he's like that, are you going to work today? And I was like, yeah, I'm going to work. He's like, are you going to work on a plane And I was like, no, I'm just going in my truck, buddy, I'm not. I'm not getting on the plane. Like I'll be back.

02:20:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

02:20:28
Speaker 2: He's worried that I'm like not going to be back.

02:20:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.

02:20:31
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, are you calling like we're build magnetiles, bro, we are we doing airtubes or not? Like we're doing air tubes you know. I'm like, yeah, man, we're doing air tubes.

02:20:40
Speaker 1: I got an eight to five year old a little bit older. Yeah, but we get in those magnetiles still to this day.

02:20:44
Speaker 2: I bet it. It's really wild.

02:20:46
Speaker 1: You got a full skyscrapers going on farms and farms we got wed yeah.

02:20:51
Speaker 2: We got like lions. Now we're starting to get into the more obscure magnetiles.

02:20:56
Speaker 10: Now, see I think, yeah, you know, to me, can I be honest with you, Yeah, kind of a waste magnetos, No, the little different theme because to me, it's like the more that like mantos are a quantity over quality game, Like you want as many magtels as possible. I want to make the biggest, tallest Yeah, I want to drive again building and when I have like little girl castle ones that kind of it's kind.

02:21:18
Speaker 5: Of throw It's like it's not like like unique shapes, just get just give us a square.

02:21:24
Speaker 1: Give me the big squares, give me the long squares. I need the big squares.

02:21:28
Speaker 2: Triangles, Bro, why do we even have the triangles?

02:21:30
Speaker 7: Yeah?

02:21:31
Speaker 2: Terrible, terrible.

02:21:32
Speaker 5: Then you gotta kind of like, yeah, you're like a little bit like I want to do it. I'm like, sweetheart, just carefully lean this one into the point.

02:21:42
Speaker 2: Of the other one.

02:21:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.

02:21:44
Speaker 2: Like there's like the there's like the obtuse triangle that doesn't even make a square when you put two of them together, and you're like why did they make these? Right? And you think your all just make a cool little like like long triangles are chill. Small triangles are chill. But then there's the weird try angle that doesn't fit right there that one could make a square. It might be the small ones I got because they don't. There's ones that don't make a square. There's ones that don't make a square. That's I know, I'm not crazy. There's ones that don't make a square, like the top right, but then the top of the castle. My kids just want to smash them. Yeah, they just want the tallest one I can make and then knock it over.

02:22:25
Speaker 1: I don't know if your kids are too young for this yet, but or how you were as a child, But I was big into legos. Legos. Were you give adhd big time? You put me in a room with legos, I'm good for two hours, yep.

02:22:36
Speaker 2: I would love to get into that.

02:22:37
Speaker 1: I was never like a Lego kid.

02:22:38
Speaker 2: I was like Lincoln Logs.

02:22:40
Speaker 1: Lincoln Logs, there's only a fineite man of things you can do with Lincoln Logs, Like you have the whole world at your feet. When it comes to legos especially, they have like these same.

02:22:48
Speaker 5: Right, like the very detailed like you could build like model like like you can build like the Death Star dude.

02:22:54
Speaker 2: The Millennial Falcon.

02:22:56
Speaker 1: Dude. I have the Titanic. I've been working out for two years off and it's still.

02:23:00
Speaker 2: My manager has a Lego room in his house. Bro.

02:23:04
Speaker 1: Kind of dope, kind of dope, kind of dope.

02:23:06
Speaker 2: I wish I had that much time.

02:23:07
Speaker 1: But my kids are bigging than Harry Potter, so we do the Harry Potter one, the Lego one.

02:23:10
Speaker 2: What I love about it, it's crazy.

02:23:13
Speaker 1: What I love about is they're into it, but they they're only into it for thirty minutes and then they're like, do you mind, dad, if you finish this something like and you I don't.

02:23:20
Speaker 3: You know what.

02:23:21
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to do that, but I will for the family, for the kid, this sacrifice for the kid, the whole thing, just for the kids, you know what I mean. That's what had How long is that taking you to build a room by myself? A day? A day at least if you have the whole day.

02:23:40
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, way longer than that. I'm saying three to five days. Three to five is the magic number of this this day. Yeah.

02:23:52
Speaker 2: For the snow coming up, there's snow coming up. Oh.

02:23:54
Speaker 1: We had a full conversation about it.

02:23:56
Speaker 2: The are you a snow day guy? Oh, I love a snow snow that's a good that's a clean take.

02:24:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a clean Everyone likes h snow day, no doubt. Yeah, I'm with you on that. How do you feel about snow after two weeks?

02:24:10
Speaker 2: You see you're a Michigan guy, so no, Hey, he's an Arizona boy in Arizona. But what what were we thinking of snow days in Michigan?

02:24:18
Speaker 1: I was thinking I want to put a gun in my mouth, like.

02:24:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're like brutal. This is Yeah. They can't change it, dude, because that one day awesome? Yeah, day two back to school, bro, get out. I'm done sledd and it's cold. Your mom's tired, I'm tired, clean nobody wants to go.

02:24:42
Speaker 1: JP brought up a good He's like, three to five days of snow is the move because I get with the kids. How excited they get you the snowman. You go on the sleds yep. But then we got to go back in the house. We can take the boots off. I have to got fifteen layers and we got to put fifteen layers back on to go back outside.

02:24:57
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and not to mention you're only outside for like twenty min Yeah, but they can't the second there's snow in the pants or in the shirt moment to come just crying their hands. They don't want their gloves on, but their hands are cold.

02:25:09
Speaker 1: Right, and they don't know that.

02:25:10
Speaker 8: And the.

02:25:12
Speaker 2: House. Yeah, if having the gloves on, my hands will be cold. But I'm magined my hands are cold, but I'm also mags have gloves on. You can't win, dude.

02:25:20
Speaker 1: So obviously you're very familiar with the transfer.

02:25:22
Speaker 2: Portal, yes, and how it all works.

02:25:24
Speaker 1: Yes, if the transfer portal existed in two thousand and nine, my freshman year of college, that first snowfall, I would be gone. Yeah, I would be a portal guy.

02:25:34
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's freshman year two thousand and nine, so we're same age then, thirty four, thirty five, thirty six. I'll be thirty six next month, so have not the same age. Those are your okay, graduate high school and nine graduate high school. Okay, I'm wait I was eight Yeah, eite, baby, keeping it alive. Yeah, soon, there's not many of us left, you know what I mean yeah, yeah, he's just quickly approaching the day when people are like, man, dude, my dad was one of the nineteen hundreds. Bro, that's not gonna happen. Dude. We're gonna be those guys. Yeah, our kids are gonna be like, dude, I can't believe that guy was around in nineteen hundred, like nineteen ninety, that guy was old. Yeah, that's that weird. It is old.

02:26:26
Speaker 1: I see things on Instagram where they go up to kids like, hey, how old is old? If like, oh, if you're born in two thousand year old, it's like two thousand, Yes, that was nine.

02:26:36
Speaker 2: Damn twenty five. They think twenty five is old.

02:26:38
Speaker 1: I guess so, man, these kids just you know, these kids are lost generation is what they protecting their.

02:26:45
Speaker 2: Brains from concussions.

02:26:46
Speaker 1: Dude, believing in concussion believe it was unbelievable.

02:26:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crazy word dude, dude. Yeah, it's great. And also Will was born in eighty nine, oh, nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, then I feel discussed.

02:27:02
Speaker 1: It does.

02:27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels antique. Yes, you're vintage a lot of patina, Yeah you know what I mean, yeah, patina wild.

02:27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, man, yeah, I get snow days are I love snow days as soon as we get to do snow week.

02:27:19
Speaker 2: Wow, snow weeks tough. In Nashville. It's it's a snow week, dude, Like they're shutting down like Michigan there like whatever, let's just get it to work, dude, no doubt. Well Boon was the same way.

02:27:31
Speaker 3: Man.

02:27:31
Speaker 2: It was like if it snowed up there, it was like big whoop, dude, you get the class. Yeah. Yeah, unless the buses couldn't run. Spoiler alert. If you're going to Upstate, the buses always can run. The genetically engineered the buses to always run, and so you're never getting any snow days up there.

02:27:46
Speaker 1: So your freshman year of college was eight.

02:27:50
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's coming next, don't you.

02:27:52
Speaker 1: I know what's coming. That was actually my senior year of high school rather get it actually really worst part of it.

02:27:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've got the jersey what what the one what jersey ARMANI Edwards game jersey? No way. Yeah. See that's a real crazy tail hold in the jersey smiling.

02:28:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like brought that up, like I went to State. I'm thinking I was in high school now.

02:28:21
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say anything. You knew. You knew.

02:28:24
Speaker 1: You brought it up, said you said, oh you were a Michigan guy. I see your hand. You get a beautiful brain. Your brain still functions fully, and I can keep.

02:28:31
Speaker 2: Up with that.

02:28:33
Speaker 1: I could keep up with it.

02:28:34
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's in like it's it was inevitable, it was going to happen. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't have said anything. Were you were, Like, were you a big F state college football fan? I was, yeah, because I knew I wanted to go to school there. Did you know Jeremy Kimbro, Yeah he was playing there. Yeah he was undrafted. He was on the Redskins with me.

02:28:55
Speaker 5: But dude, he was He was a dude, Yeah he's I think he works on it like a nast car pit crew.

02:29:00
Speaker 2: Now a lot of those guys do.

02:29:04
Speaker 5: He was like, maybe he might have like the career record for Tag, there's a chance it was a monster.

02:29:10
Speaker 2: He was. We've had some We've had some good players in and out. Man, that the transfer portal era has really crushed a school like ours. Man, it's really tough, like you have to become ready. I wouldn't say I wouldn't go that far, you know, but it's it's like, I don't know now, it's before it was like you get all these undersize, under recruited guys and it was listen, I love that the guys can put money. Oh my god, it's beautiful, dude, Jesus. And it's just you see it in the fall, Dude, it is even crazier.

02:29:44
Speaker 1: Put that thing in the fall for me, buddy.

02:29:46
Speaker 2: You don't even have to AI at some places, you don't even have to aig. It's that beautiful, dude.

02:29:52
Speaker 1: That's real.

02:29:53
Speaker 2: That's real. Yeah, that's a real spot. And uh, it was great going to school there. So then the Michigan game was my scene year of high school and I was I knew I was. I was trying to go to app I didn't know if I was like gonna get in or not. Yeah, there's the baseball field insane.

02:30:09
Speaker 1: That filter, that's a crazy filter.

02:30:12
Speaker 2: But it's been The transfer thing has really hurt us, man, because we don't have a ton of like there's not a ton of money coming in and out school. I'm not donating. I'm not donating. I feel like I need some concessions. What do you want? I need some assurances. Were you giving someone a good chunk dude to come there for a season.

02:30:35
Speaker 1: A podcast right now and an app state person might come across this clip right now for you to donate to applash the state. What do you what do you need?

02:30:46
Speaker 2: Player contracts?

02:30:47
Speaker 1: Two years? Gotta have it, two years, gotta have it, guarantee you have to have it.

02:30:51
Speaker 2: One year is not enough because if they got well, it's not even that, it's more like but.

02:31:00
Speaker 1: Knowing it's likes so wild wild thing.

02:31:05
Speaker 2: That's weird to think about, man getting into some dicey water.

02:31:11
Speaker 1: There.

02:31:12
Speaker 2: But listen, Yeah, dude, I'm freaking out there there paid for close. Those eyes are, dude, are so close. It's crazy, dude. But dude, I love I mean, I'm die hard at Man. We had a really tough season this season, the worst season I've seen in a long time. And I just don't know. I just don't know that in the portal era that we're in now that a school like us and this is gonna be such a hot take. I'm gonna get absolutely viserty to buy our fans. I would love to see us go back down to FCS because then there's a chance that you win a national championship. I mean, your best. The best thing that can happen to us is get beat by Oregon by fifty points, Bud. That's that you and singing.

02:32:01
Speaker 1: You were singing to me right now.

02:32:03
Speaker 2: It's the best thing we got, dude, is State won, like w don't it barely?

02:32:11
Speaker 5: That was barely, dude.

02:32:13
Speaker 2: That's not even a highlight of the season, dude. Or he got a G five playoff, right, which is get beat by Oregon by sixty points. But I'm saying five had their own playoff. I've been preaching this for a while. Group of five like can make it a whole different league basically, Yeah, group of five national champion, power five national champion something five.

02:32:37
Speaker 1: They hate it too. He's there like one of us is saying this, which breaks there.

02:32:41
Speaker 2: No, it's and listen, dude, it would be cool and it brings. But the the amount of pr that we got from winning those three national championships at the FCS level and the Michigan game is huge, Dude. That was so going in to that year, Like I think app State it was the hardest school in North Carolina to get in behind Duke that year because so many people applied and wanted to go to school there just because of those games. And now to know that we won't have those games anymore where it won't like we won't ever get to touch or taste that thing, and that was enough for me. I love that we are Division one. It's cool to me, Like, I'm so proud to have went to school there and I want to be a part of that. But I mean, like again, dude, like I think that sometimes, like people think I'm Jeff Bezos too, like where they're like, dude, give us ten million dollars and I'm like what, I'm like, who do you eat? The Hold on a second, dude, let's reevaluate the thing.

02:33:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, you show you showed me a full bick account there. You're like, yeah, we're not. This is crazy.

02:33:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about like ten thousand? We think about that? Does that get you going or what? You know? I mean, it's like, I mean I would want to, but it would be really hard to know that, you know, the the the players that you're helping are also going to ultimately leave because you know, you think about I mean, app State doesn't win three national championships in the poor l Era, They win one and then all the players leave and go somewhere else, and then you start over. We start over every single year. Dude, who's even on the team. They don't even know any of the guys on the team. There's like two guys from last season on the whole team. And how do you develop? Like how does your fan base not feel robbed every single year? And not that they're doing anything that anyone else isn't doing. It's it's like that everywhere, even at the bigger schools. It's like one guy gets mad at his position coach and doesn't get to play one game with the fucking I'm transferring then, Like what kind of precedent is that setting for these kids too? Man? Like that that's not the way life works, dude, Like it's just not a sustainable model for even the rest of your life, let alone your football career. You know. But it's the I mean, it's the I mean, that's the world we live in right now. So you got to figure it out. But I think there does need to be some something needs to change at some point. And when when that changes, I don't know, you know, your preacher right now, it's a bigger conversation, you know, So I'd you become a how'd you become a a Georgia fan? I'm not. You know, there's a big misconception that I'm a Georgia fan, that I have sec allegiances. I don't have any particular address.

02:35:21
Speaker 1: These by a Georgia bulldog. Wow, you were Georgia.

02:35:27
Speaker 2: Interesting. That's interesting. I'm trying to cause I've been waiting to go public with this for a long time. And listen, my kids, they can go to school wherever they want, as long as it's app state, they can go there. Enough they will be going there whether they like it or not. But say my children do go to another school against my own, will you know which there would be allowed to if it came down to it. But I feel like i'm as a as a young fan. I'm diehard Carolina Panthers guy. That's my thing. It has been forever. I'm five years old. I'm living in Charlotte when they become a team, right, like, I am washed in the blood of the Panthers. It just has to be that way. Yeah, and there was there's no going back. But I didn't have growing up in North Carolina. You don't really my dad. My dad liked NFL he's from Ohio. He liked the Browns and the Browns went away and he became a Panthers fan when the Panthers became a team. So we did it. My dad didn't go to college and my mom went to Western Carolina for like a semester, so I didn't have a lot of this. So we didn't have like I didn't have this big like power five thing in our house where it was like a house divided, like you know, like we didn't have that. So I did to create that on my own, which is I'm an app state guy, ride or die, no matter what. But it's like I almost feel like I've been like where do I want my kids to be? Like I want my kids to have a chance to win a Nattie as a fan, Like how do I do that?

02:36:57
Speaker 3: With?

02:36:58
Speaker 2: Who do you pick? It's like everyone has been so great to us. We played games everywhere, and you know, it's hard to kind of like it's scary to pick one because then you're there, you know what I mean. But I feel like it's time, like my kids are gonna like football in the next like two or three years, and like I can just getting afraid of the light at the end of the tunnel as it creeps ever closer to being like, we are this fan of this thing, right, and they're not gonna all they know We've been a fan. I've been a fan of my whole life, you know what I mean. It's like I want them to have that experience of like going to a game, you know at you know, Sanford Stadium or wherever, the big house and like feeling like a part of that. I've been to a ton of those games, but I'm not, like, it's not the same as if you go and you've been a Michigan Van your whole life. But like, I want that for my kids because I didn't have that same thing. I had the app State thing that was beautiful and it was I wouldn't trade it for the world. And my kids will be at State fans, no choice. But like, but you ain't winning a Natty at f State, It's right?

02:38:10
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:38:10
Speaker 2: Is that where Georgia came in at What's the Dress? I got? So one of my best friends in the world was a grad assistant at Georgia. We wrote When It Rains the Ports together. We've written a couple of number ones together. SAME's ray Fulcher you guys may have run across. And he's a great dude who lives here in town and he was a he was a student assistant there like when like Stafford was there, Uh, like David Pollock years and that kind of stuff. So he's like, what do you jump in front of a bus for Kirby smart? Like right now if I called him, I was like, dude, Kirby's Kirby's gonna flat tires and he's in Miami. He's like, I'm driving, I'm there, Like he is absolutely in and uh. But like just seeing people that have that passion for that, and I've I've just inherently like become friends with a lot of people who are our big time Georgia fans. And so ultimately, like we did, I did a show in Athens this year for I have a sponsorship with Columbia Sportswear, and I did an underplay at the Georgia Theater this year like a surprise show, like we announced it the morning of the show, uh, and then did College Game Day. Actually Bailey Zimmerman was the musical guest, but I was in town, so we came into a song we have together for that and I've had some great, great memories in Athens. Man, it is a really fun town. But I'm getting down to like Heaven depict and I feel like I'm gonna have to like make an announcement at some point. I am this fan, dude, you know what I mean? Like do I need like do we need the hats out? So, like I know I'm gonna have that APP state hat on. It's gonna be known that that's number one. Dude, Like, hope, hope whoever team doesn't.

02:39:52
Speaker 1: Play APP, right, this is your giving my kids, Hope.

02:39:55
Speaker 2: This is like giving my kids Like it's like like SEC Big ten kind of like that whole thing. Give them that experience.

02:40:03
Speaker 1: Do you lean one way or the other on SEC or Big ten? And we're just have this. This is now gone from a podcast. We're just thinking about what's best for your children.

02:40:11
Speaker 2: What I and what it feels too, is your your a state number one ride or die? But now you're trying to choose a fandom of who could potentially win a national title in their lives. I'm not going to be the guy that's like I'm gonna just who's winning a bunch of them. Let's just be fans of them like I want him to have some misery. They need some misery in their lives.

02:40:32
Speaker 1: Let me introduce you to the twenty twenty five Michigan Wolf. Okay, that's that's right, that's your school right there. Three head coach leaves a bunch of allegations of whether they cheated or a lot of things going on. Bad year seven and five, we get the number one quarterback in the all of college football or a high school football. They say he's the greatest thing of all time. He has an underwhelming year this year. Turns out he never had a quarterback coach. Head coach allegedly having an affair with somebody wild stuff.

02:41:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:41:03
Speaker 1: He Kyle Whittingham from Utah, who spent twenty seven years as the head coach of Utah, comes over, retains his roster, has a top sixteen portal. I think they just came out with a number eleven overall roster, one of the youngest teams in the Big Ten.

02:41:19
Speaker 2: Saying there's hope.

02:41:21
Speaker 1: I'm saying there's hope. I'm not saying there's hope. I'm saying there's opportunity.

02:41:24
Speaker 2: There's no way I'm not getting boot out of that stadium because I'm showing up in app stuff every game. I can never get over it.

02:41:31
Speaker 1: That's it.

02:41:31
Speaker 2: They've ruined it, like they've ruined it.

02:41:33
Speaker 1: Like you know, you know what, that's probably best you're not with us because when he said you're getting boot out, like, yeah, he's probably right that stadium.

02:41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, you'd be a good corn Husker. You thinks so a good corn Husk. So I feel like right now, my biggest the thing against me is time and accessibility to games, you know what I mean? Like I live in Tennessee, Like my kids are from Tennessee. Yeah, do they need to be NAE fans? Like that's where they grew up? Like I think, what school erbil guy? Some more of a public school guy though, I like that, you know what I mean, Like like a college basketball.

02:42:13
Speaker 1: That's public school.

02:42:16
Speaker 2: Because I'm basketball tar Heels guy growing up in North Carolina. You gotta pick. You're Carolina, your dude in C State sometimes allegedly sometimes you gotta pick. So there's Carolina basketball already get ripped apart by that fans just because there's pictures of me and the Carolina stuff, you know what I mean. I get shredded for that. But proximity. We're pitching the UK. Now we're getting some pitches.

02:42:40
Speaker 1: I think we're just stowing up, helping the plane store.

02:42:44
Speaker 2: Vandy is the home.

02:42:45
Speaker 5: Vandy is still the hometown squad. I think of the amount of games you can take the kiddos too, and they're.

02:42:49
Speaker 2: On the come up. But they're on the come up.

02:42:51
Speaker 1: Allegedly, leg they slipped the kid down the street star kid? Who was that?

02:42:56
Speaker 2: Georgia, Georgia? He was at Georgia. Man, what an interesting thing that is. What do you think would be a good one too? Though, Tennessee an arrow right got to be. But how do you work that out? Like, let's say you've already given a kid a bunch of money or something. I don't even know how this works. Let's say allegedly you give this high school kid a bunch of money's in high school, and then he de commits on signing day, Like does he owe you the money back?

02:43:25
Speaker 3: Like?

02:43:25
Speaker 2: How does that work?

02:43:26
Speaker 1: I think he's got to sign first before you give him the money. Yeah, but this day and age.

02:43:33
Speaker 2: And then flip.

02:43:35
Speaker 1: I think the more getting close to that, like where we're holding it in kids, the whole thing, volunteers might be your team.

02:43:43
Speaker 2: They're close, they're close, three hours away.

02:43:48
Speaker 1: They're not a team. They haven't won.

02:43:51
Speaker 2: Right quarterback this year, Appstate guy Joey Aguilar, Yeah, Upstate guy had a pretty good season. He did well. Wow, really, Oh my gosh, we're getting fancy. I'm getting you're getting recruited. He's getting recruited, getting recruited.

02:44:06
Speaker 1: Every time he talked about how ugly you are, Jackson, no way, he.

02:44:09
Speaker 2: Was like, it's like, it's all about how you present yourself. He's trying to get me like a little Jackson's as a Jackson Tennessee face tat is wild, dude, like a tempt tattoo. You know, the same day, that could be me on game day, just shirt off, I come out looking like Jason Momoa dude, just like full shirt off face hat. Hell yeah, that'd be That'd be wildo. So you think I go away for a year all publicly, like nobody sees me. Hit the steroids. We talked about that full tribals, which is gonna be weird. Probably people are gonna think that's weird. And then come on college game day that's when people hear. I'm sure it off absolutely jacked face tattoo of whatever team. I decided a few hats in front of you make it up like a lebron The decision official visits would be wild.

02:45:03
Speaker 1: Here's what I think we're filming this. Can we say when we're filming this? I know this comes out in March, but this is being filmed on January nineteenth, twenty twenty six. I think January nineteenth, twenty twenty seven. You come back on the bus and give us an official official you put the hat on, and it doesn't have to be a podcast.

02:45:23
Speaker 5: We just get you in there.

02:45:24
Speaker 1: You give us. You have a full year, full year for people to sell you on why you should become a fan of your other school and every college.

02:45:33
Speaker 2: Every college time you go and play in you're now claim it as you're taking an official visit.

02:45:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.

02:45:38
Speaker 2: Official. I am doing some colleges.

02:45:39
Speaker 1: You're doing some movies.

02:45:40
Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing Aims. I'm doing Iowa State, doing Notre Dame. Nice, yeah, not a good wow, Notre Dame doing doing Knoxville, actually doing a show in Knoxville.

02:45:54
Speaker 1: You play it right. Interesting, It's a good opportunity for you to be hosted.

02:45:59
Speaker 2: Maybe get walling out. Chesney comes out. There's a lot of Tennessee guys, a lot of Tennessee guys. You're the only one getting to get feeling comes out. You know, we do a little catch me and him probably.

02:46:10
Speaker 1: If we get yeah, if we get a video from Peyton Manning, mm hmm. Are you committing on the spot?

02:46:17
Speaker 2: You think.

02:46:19
Speaker 1: Who's one person that you'd be like, I gotta go there.

02:46:24
Speaker 2: I love I loved as, I got a lot of I got a lot of South Carolina tis too. I got people pulling me in all directions. It is eight today, yep. And when you go to these schools, so you need to get you need to go through the ringer of all the you know photos they take. I am the look super jagged, but you got to do that at least one would be really funny. Actually, that would be a great video series to do of like every school I go to give me an officials, you.

02:46:59
Speaker 1: Know what I mean to do like a Lebron James the decision.

02:47:01
Speaker 2: Yeah that is crazy. Oh man, that's funny, dude, that would be that's I think the official visit thing has some legs. Absolutely, Oh yeah, I think that would be some good context.

02:47:18
Speaker 1: It's literally just your team reaching out to them, being like, Luke would love to have a two of your facility, and then we're like, oh my god, and.

02:47:23
Speaker 2: We usually do that anyways, but we would just film it and it would just, yes, be a little bit more ridiculous.

02:47:30
Speaker 1: You got to do a photo shoot right there and stuff.

02:47:32
Speaker 2: Go to a game, go to an state game.

02:47:34
Speaker 1: I would love that.

02:47:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man flipped, yeah, flipped on signing many how many signing day I will pick yeah, yeah, and then I'll flip. But then we thought we had them, like we did the visit and everything. He drank drank like fifteen Gatorades. He didn't even need it. And he's just drinking those because they're like SODA's kind of he gives me that vibe that he just drinks them. He thinks they're good for him, you know what I mean. Healthy. Yeah, Yeah, he's given me that vibe.

02:48:05
Speaker 1: This needs to happen. This could be a massive twenty six for you.

02:48:08
Speaker 2: I think how many Upstate games you go to a year?

02:48:12
Speaker 3: Uh?

02:48:12
Speaker 2: Didn't go to one this year? Yep. Stuff didn't go to one this year. Not because I didn't want to. It's hard to it's hard to get my first stadium show ever was an app one of my favorite shows, I mean of all time, dude, you know, I mean, just never beat that moment for me. I mean it's really selfishly like I would honestly love my kids to go there just so I could go back all the time. I mean, it's like one of my favorite place in the world. So many great memories there, and you know, it's where my career started. It's where you know, my sadness ended from not knowing what I was going to do, yeah, the rest of my life, you know. And just like I mean those games there, man, like they're I mean, those are great people, dude, and they're great fans and it's just electric, dude. I mean that. And that's that's what I say when I say, like I want something to happen in the college football world, because like I want to be able to have that back, like I miss that, Like even though we weren't Division one, the games like meant more right now because right now it feels like we're a farm team for you know, these Power five schools.

02:49:22
Speaker 5: It warms my heart that for him, it just comes back to the idea of college football. It really be playing in some real games again.

02:49:31
Speaker 2: To man, like, come on, I want it, you know, dude, to Spring Tour. I did tell some of my buddies. I was like, listen, your kids go to Appstate. I'll pay for it. I'm not gonna lie and say I haven't said that to people and pretty much meant it really pretty much like pretty much like, seriously, if your kids to go there, I'll pay for it.

02:49:53
Speaker 1: Sponsor just so like.

02:49:54
Speaker 2: We can all be fans together and there's a bunch of us and we're all.

02:49:58
Speaker 1: Paying for fandom. Is crazy move.

02:50:00
Speaker 2: But you won't pay for players, No, because the fandoms forever. Fans forever, dude, the players for a year. I don't get paid to be a fan. It costs me to be a fan now at this point, and I'm paying guys. It's really costing me something to be a fan. That's a fair point. But I think I would just need concessions. I would need to know that you're gonna be there for two years. That's it, not asking you to be there four years. If you turn out to be a first round talent, I want you to go on and be great somewhere else. I think that's the beauty of those schools. Is there were so many guys that were great when I was there that never got they never got recruited by these big teams, and they bawled out at app State they went to the league. There's guys that are crushing in the league that went to app State right now, you know, And we had that history of that was our whole identity as a team. Was like guys that just were an inch too short or ten pounds too light, or their forty speed was just not fast enough. But they had heart twice the size of guys with with with you know, bigger frames than them. And that's how I mean. Jerry Moore on all those games there, man, was he recruited a certain type of player. And now those players don't They just don't. There's no incentive for them to stay, yeah, you know what I mean other than what they just want to go there because that might be a chance to play well and go somewhere else. You know. It's like, I like, I don't know, it's just like I mean, imagine a guy goes to pay for say one player, and he was a good player to still if it only put you know, production on the field of still like a losing season.

02:51:28
Speaker 5: Or like exactly, yeah, exactly, even if he's telling you he'll stay for two years, right right, it's like, ship, why am I just throwing my money for us to still have a mediocre season?

02:51:38
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

02:51:44
Speaker 1: He was an app State cat love to stream extreaming streaming.

02:51:47
Speaker 2: Guy a Keem Davis Gaither app State guy. Yeah, yeah, app State guy. We've had a we got a few couple of linemen in the league. Man, We've we've got We've always put some guys and they always have. Guys get drafted every year basically, But I don't I don't know that that that might not that doesn't change now, you know, because like any transfers we get are either they're still on the ride up and they're still gonna leave, or they're on the way down. It's guys that underperformed and they're like, well now I gotta go. Guys hit the portal. Nobody wanted them exactly, So it's kind of a It just kind of sets you up for that thing. And obviously coaching matters, but like, how does a coach get to build any consistency with a player that has a new scheme every year? Different coaches every year, a different facility, Like they don't even like they're basically on a vacation in a town they play football, and like, you come there and stay for not even a whole year. Why does that build any How does that build anything? How do you build a culture around that?

02:52:49
Speaker 1: As a coach, the team right, the camaraderie of the locker room, keeping everybody together. You lose, it's your sophomore year, and you're like, next year is our year, exactly, this is our right.

02:53:00
Speaker 2: Everybody will be back. These guys will be here next year. What's the Indiana thing, dude, we got to talk about it. What's happened there? What has happened.

02:53:10
Speaker 1: Big? Netty bro bro is wild?

02:53:15
Speaker 2: Is wild.

02:53:15
Speaker 1: This is the greatest coaching we've ever seen. I talk the game.

02:53:20
Speaker 2: I talk to like people that I know about this, Like I try to explain it to people that I know that don't like pay that much attention to football. Like someone that doesn't like that listens to Taylor Swift is explaining to someone that doesn't listen to Taylor Swift about her albums. Yeah, I'm like, it's that big of a deal. Guys, you don't understand. No, top three hundred players, it ever happens, it doesn't happen. There's no five star guys.

02:53:43
Speaker 1: Ye have forty four guys that are twenty four and twenty five years old that are just production. He's like, I'm over production versus potential. They're the best coach team. They don't make mistakes. Yeah, the fucking back shoulder throwstoppable. It's unstoppable.

02:54:00
Speaker 2: Well, he's and it's just a I mean, Mendoza is just a he's just an impenetrable mind dude.

02:54:06
Speaker 1: Like he's just like shoot brain for shoot dude.

02:54:11
Speaker 2: The guy says, shoot, he's a dog and he doesn't even know he's a dog. Dude. Hundred for the best kind.

02:54:22
Speaker 1: And you see his family on the sideline. They're so sweet, dude, everybody's so amazing.

02:54:27
Speaker 2: How can you love the guy? You have to love them, You have to love him.

02:54:30
Speaker 1: I love every time he's on the mic after a game, Yeah.

02:54:32
Speaker 2: Bro, because he's fired up his voices like TV just.

02:54:36
Speaker 1: Talking about how greatest teammates are and how we're all together.

02:54:38
Speaker 2: It's like he's like, we won the glue.

02:54:40
Speaker 1: Everything you want. He's like, I just want to be one of the fingers around the microphone that he's telling them to.

02:54:46
Speaker 2: He's like, I was joking with my wife about this. The other day he did an interview and I'm like, he's gonna be like it was so they were doing some spotlight on him on ESPN before maybe the quarterfinal game or something, and he's like, well, yeah, like I just wanted to come in and establish that I'm one of the guys. That was like his thing, he said. And I told my wife, I'm like, I bet that all the guys on the team are like this guy, Like we have to tell this guy all year he's not one of the guys. Unless we win the Natty. He's never one of the guys. Like he will be. We just don't tell him he's one of the guys. And so the whole time he's like, I think if we can win the Natty, like I might get to be one of the guys, maybe all the guys will like want to go out to dinner and like hang out and stuff after practice, and like that's been his motivation the entire time, to be accepted by Like he wants his teammates to be like that's my guy over there, dude, And he's like yes, Like they win the Natty, and he's like they're all hugging and yeah, he's like I'm one of the guys, man, and they're like holding the thing. And he's like on the phone with his parents after each day say like, you know the kids in school really like me now right. Yeah, it's like that's so awesome. Yeah, we're like, dude, like none of us are hitting the portal now, we're not even gonna get drafted. We just want to hang, man, just hang guys.

02:56:02
Speaker 1: You know, I just pictured there's one player on the team that has held back everybody else from being one of the guys with him. And then they win the Natty and it's like Maverick and Iceman in the first again. But he goes and shakes his hand Andy, have his long look at each other eyes like he's finally done it, and then have the trophy and listen the s like you so a.

02:56:18
Speaker 2: Bitch, They just do muscles are like going yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

02:56:24
Speaker 1: It would be.

02:56:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:56:26
Speaker 1: I love your passion for college football.

02:56:28
Speaker 2: I love your passion for hard football fan. Man. It's like it's all give a ship about sports wise really in a lot of ways. How about your your passion for this next album. I got a lot.

02:56:39
Speaker 1: I got a lot of it, and not quite as much as college.

02:56:44
Speaker 2: Okay, don't talk college football. I'm like, damn football talks over. We don't have to do.

02:56:49
Speaker 1: This was really hitting off with them.

02:56:50
Speaker 2: We were talking college going to pull my album and this and the bust and guys played four Square, Like I really think they think I'm cool, dude, Like it was one of the guys I wanted to. It's like, but no, this, this record, it's it's been a long time coming for me.

02:57:07
Speaker 1: You know.

02:57:07
Speaker 2: I did Fathers and Sons two years ago, and that was like never supposed to be like a commercial success, like that wasn't the reason that we put that record out, And that was something I wanted to do for myself and for my kids, and you know, just something that I hoped that, you know, people could relate to in some sense. And it was that I think, you know, I do. You know, not a lot of people have heard that record, but the people that did hear it really love it. And so I'm very proud of that. But it's been I mean, it's coming up on four years now since I've put out a record where I'm like, Okay, well, let's actually like, let's get in the game, you know what I mean, like getting the on deck circle, take a couple of hacks at it, get up to the plate, see what we can do. Like I basically, you know, purposefully kept myself on the sidelines, like trying to raise my boys and you know, just playing enough shows to kind of keep my momentum going a little bit and and also give people a breather. Man. Like, I think sometimes taking time away is a really good thing. You know.

02:58:08
Speaker 1: I was.

02:58:08
Speaker 2: I was really really popular at the time that you know, my the fastcar stuff came out, and then it just got even bigger, and I feel like people were just seeing so much of me all the time. I'm like, man, people must be sick of like seeing me all the time on stuff, you know. And so in my mind, I'm going, well, why not just kind of step away, take things at my own speed, be around with my kids and my wife and build that you know, that bond with my boys, and you know, let my wife know that me know, my family is my top priority. And but you know, I'm ready to kind of step into this next chapter and see what it looks like. Man, this record is my way of doing that, you know, and going, hey, man, I still feel like I can write you know, really you know, successful like commercially viable stuff. That's something I think, you know, my core fan base has been dying for for a long time, and I hope this album delivers deliver for them. I you know, I put myself fully into this and spend a lot of time working on it. I recorded forty songs for this record. It's twenty two songs, but I recorded forty and narrowed it down to the number it's at now, and I just felt like it's the you know, it's the best, the best that I got. Man. So if it doesn't work, I'm kind of screwed. But you know, I still still college football. Yeah, I still got still got my commitment to look forward. But it's yeah, it's exciting, man, And it's you know, it's not it's not reinventing the wheel by any you know, stretch of the imagination. You know. I I think it's me pushing myself in within the bounds of what I already do. You know. It's not like I set out to make a dance record or something, you know what I mean, Like it's you know, it's what I think a lot of my fans have come to expect. And then I also think, you know, fans that I may have been introduced to in the last couple of years via the Fastcar thing or via some of the festivals we played last year, can like can listen to and go Okay, I like this. I can get into this. You know. It's not the extreme version of you know, of anything. It's really like what I want to do, the songs I love, the kind of music I like, the shit I want to do with my buddies, which is the same thing I did on my first record and my second record. And you know, it was just always that it was basically just me and my boys writing stuff and what's the best stuff we got that we've come up with in the last two years.

03:00:31
Speaker 1: And this is it.

03:00:31
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, I don't want to try to make it sound any more poetic than it needs to be. It's just I mean, it's just the you know, I'm throwing gasp, like that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to throw fastballs down the middle. I'm not trying to do anything special in a sense where it's it's not going to come out of left field, man, you know what I mean, It's just going to be right down the middle. I think stuff that I hope people will love.

03:00:57
Speaker 1: What ah, when you releasing an album, you're saying the album right now, sixth sixth album. When you're releasing album, what is like the highest stress point for you? When when the album is released? Is it like knowing what the first twenty four hours look like, the first week looks like.

03:01:12
Speaker 2: I don't worry as much. It's like I feel like the pressure is already off a little bit because like Sleepless in a Hotel Room came out and it's doing so well, and so I know, like if people like that, then I think there's gonna be other stuff on the album that they love. And like if we had give this record was coming out and there was no songs that had been kind of come out before the record, like no instant grat stuff that had done well, I would be really concerned about it. I'd be like, man, because like when you're doing the pre release stuff, you're trying to kind of like you're showing them like a little bit of your hand, like you're not just given strictly B side songs maybe one or two, but if you instant grab four of the twenty two, like two of those year or like two of those are kind of like, hey man, like here's a little bit of what the album is going to be. Like, so you really want one of those songs to take off. Now, which one is it going to be? You never really know, So that would have been the biggest stress point for me. For me, it's narrowing the songs down, like getting to the point, like making the track list from forty to twenty two is really hard because I if I've recorded the song like, I love it. I think it's a great song and I would love for people to get to hear it. But I'm not going to put out a forty song record. It's just not like something that works for me. So it was tough to get rid of, you know, eighteen songs, because they're songs that I believe in that I think are good, and but you just can't. You can't have everything on there, you know what I mean. I mean you could, I guess, but I wanted people to to be an album that I felt like people could digest in one sitting if they wanted to do that. But also be enough stuff to where they go, wo. Man, you haven't really good when it's a record in four years, So it better not be ten songs, yeah, or we're gonna be pissed. That's all we get. Big Seeing a sequel to your favorite movie and it's been ten years and it's thirty minutes, and you're like, that's the whole movie, that's it? Like all we got was thirty minutes. It was good, good thirty minutes, but it's supposed to be two hours.

03:03:18
Speaker 1: What happened?

03:03:18
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's I don't know. There's just a lot of there's so many unknowns with music too, man, Like anytime I think a song is gonna be big, it's usually not. I don't know, it just works that way. So I'm thankful for their having been a lot of songs that I didn't think would be good, because those have all turned out really well. So maybe that's the magic is you just don't try to. I've learned you just can't pick what people are gonna like. They're just gonna like what they like, and you can't really predict it as much as you would think. Every once in a while you get one right, But most of the time it's like, I don't know, I don't know what people are gonna like. You just put them all out and see which one they love the most, you know, Yeah, it's crazy.

03:04:00
Speaker 1: We've we've talked about a lot of things today, a lot of subjects have taken place where we have the bud light question and we know that anybody would do anything for a nice cold crisp, But what is something that Luke Colmb's would do anything for. I can't say family.

03:04:14
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't say family.

03:04:18
Speaker 1: I have one in my head right now. And it's like he didn't hit this. Is he really what he says?

03:04:23
Speaker 2: He is probably likedwich. You know, that's definitely close that.

03:04:32
Speaker 1: He doesn't say this.

03:04:33
Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about stuff that could actually happen Sandwich. Now that you're talking like fantasy stuff.

03:04:44
Speaker 1: That's I'm talking And.

03:04:48
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to be Oh, Panther, super Bowl, Panther, the.

03:04:53
Speaker 5: Super Bowl over in abstinate natty d one, Oh God, yeah yeah.

03:05:00
Speaker 1: Or fried baloney sandwich, both good.

03:05:07
Speaker 2: I can get any day. It's pretty good, though. Sandwich has the Super Bowl sandwich. Watching the Panthers play app State in the Super Bowl Perfect day. Yeah, yeah, get the chips off there though, they get the chips chips on sandwiches, but not my something. Some things are sacred, damn it. You know. No, Okay, So if app state Natty, yeah, that would like, But that in the realm of like reality, it's like it can't really happen right now. Just it just can't, like and you guys get that, you know that right now. It's it's not like a thing that can happen right now. I would love that. Now, that's wick. That's insane right there. That's way too thick of a bloney slice for a sandwich. That's a blooney steak. I believe they call that. Yeah, yeah, flay baloney but panther super Bowl, Yeah, I'm I'm selling the farm on that, man, Like, I would just do anything for that. That's my Like, I've been there and I've watched us lose two and it's just it sucks. Bro.

03:06:18
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever think about that last Super Bowl about Cam Newton not jumping on that fumbel all the time?

03:06:25
Speaker 2: Bro, It's all I think about as a fan.

03:06:26
Speaker 1: What were you thinking when Cam Newton didn't jump in that fumble?

03:06:30
Speaker 2: Because that's like first drive. Second, that was early in the game. I believe the first drive of the game. I don't know if that's when the FuMB will happened or not. First drive of the game. I knew we weren't gonna win first drive.

03:06:42
Speaker 1: That's gotta be that's gotta be a painful reality.

03:06:44
Speaker 2: It was, and it was like, Wow, Von Miller is going to win this game all by himself. And he did. He was The Broncos defense won the game that game, and it was heartbreaking because we had I mean, dude, we don't you know, we don't choke out against the Falcons in the last game of the season. We're undefeated, dude. We lost one game the whole season, lost so the Atlanta Falcons the last game of the season and lost the Super Bowl, and that team was like felt unstoppable in a lot of respects. Man, Like that team just was like, I mean, you have all the pieces are in place, dude, I mean everybody's there, yeah, you know, and you're just like, how did it not happen? How did it not happen? I just don't know.

03:07:29
Speaker 1: I don't know.

03:07:30
Speaker 2: I mean, Keithley like he's up, I mean, top I mean, he's probably my favorite player of all time. I would say it's guy was an animal, bro. This guy was an animal animal love that cat, dude. And he's like no social media, no social media. Guy like, doesn't do anything man like, doesn't do any of the stereotypical stuff that we're all doing. He's everything you want to live back. Yeah, it's like not a like doesn't care to be the center of attention. Guy Like, he's just absolute film rat. Like. I remember talking to Ben Jones, you know, Ben, Ben, Ben was.

03:08:09
Speaker 1: My dog that said you were a Georgia Bulldog fan to my face. Wow, yeah, gosh, I didn't want to say his name, but since you brought him up, Yes, Ben Jones.

03:08:16
Speaker 2: Ben's a study. He is awesome and bless you and uh I remember Ben was talking to Ben one time and he was still playing. And this is when Keigley that was kind of that. I don't know if it was that year, but it was that same team, same core team, Cam Keighley, Greg Olsen, the whole cast of characters. We had, Thomas Davis. I remember they came to town. The Panthers came and did a joint practice. You're probably on the Titans. I was, and I remember being telling me as I was asking him about the whole Keighley thing, and he was like, bro, that guy's insane, Like what do you mean. It's like he knew every play we were gonna run fire practice and he's like, so you know, Thomas Davis went to Georgia then went to Georgia obviously, and he's like, hey, we were going to get lunch and he's like, dude, lets him bit Keithley to lunch. And Thomas Davis was like, oh, dude, he's not going to lunch. He's like, what do you mean He's not going to lunch. He's like, he's gonna watch film. Dude, He's not going to lunch. Like he's the only guy, like he never he doesn't do anything else, Like he practices and watches film and works out and goes to bed and like that's what he does. And he's not gonna like hang out. He doesn't want to like hang out or like yeah, he rumor has it. When he first got in the league, he didn't buy a TV d He just had a football on the wall, dude, and he just watched it.

03:09:46
Speaker 1: Dude.

03:09:47
Speaker 2: He just sat there looking at it. I'm getting that ball. I'm getting that ball.

03:09:52
Speaker 1: He was wild, bro, he was incredible man.

03:09:55
Speaker 2: When he retired early, I was devastated, saying, dude.

03:09:59
Speaker 1: When we were we so that practice was over, that joint practice. When we go to teams. The first play we came out, He's like, run this way, and I'm like thinking, how the fuck does he know that? Like, how would you have any idea? It's the first day.

03:10:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably.

03:10:17
Speaker 1: You think Connor was working with him back then. This had to be what like sixty us was it sixteen or seven stallions?

03:10:25
Speaker 2: Such a cool Connor stallions.

03:10:28
Speaker 1: Consh But yeah, dude, he called out I think there was like nine plays in that one verse ones and he called out seven of them. And when we called the screen and he called out the screen, I was like, well, this is dead even before the ball snaps, like it's over and we're not going to check in anything right now because it's practice.

03:10:47
Speaker 2: How do you beat that? Dude?

03:10:50
Speaker 1: You We would play the Panthers and Rabel, the head coach, would come and be like, you blocked fifty nine fifty nine, right, yeah, you block fifty nine, You're gonna you're don't have an opportunity to win the game. You don't block him, the game's over. Like that's how significant he was to his team. It's just.

03:11:09
Speaker 2: I remember when we drafted him. I was like, I was like, who the fuck is this guy? I'm like, bro, get me, like, get me, give me somebody, dude, Like who's this guy? Dude? This guy hung out in high school? Is this guy? And then he's not though he's not a guy.

03:11:30
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that MC.

03:11:34
Speaker 2: Ripped shred it out, shred it out, but yeah, look at this guy. Killer Stallion Clark Kent is good. Yeah, truly like put the uniform on and just become an absolute lunatic.

03:11:47
Speaker 1: As he was like.

03:11:49
Speaker 2: A pretty good ship talker man. That was kind of some rumors going around like he was like, uh, because he's real, Like when you meet him, he's real, kind of like mild put together, like real timid. Some of the guys I know were like, did he get out there? He was like vicious out there?

03:12:03
Speaker 1: Dude. He never said a word.

03:12:06
Speaker 2: Even worse worse, like when we did that practices, you're not scared of that guy till you are? Is hell?

03:12:16
Speaker 1: Is he the most star stroke you've ever been meeting somebody.

03:12:20
Speaker 2: Uh well, I met him on FaceTime or on zoom and like a zoom interview, So I didn't have a chance to be I mean, definitely some of the Panthers guys man, like, especially the guys when I was growing up, I would probably be like Steve Smith, my god's fucking smitty dude, Like watch this guy, like Moose and Mohammed. I would be like Moose, Ricky Prole, Moose, Brad Hoover, oh Man, Yeah he got him, dude, Jake the Lome, Jake the Snake. Oh man, he was all raging cajun. He was great.

03:12:55
Speaker 1: Who are the backs?

03:12:58
Speaker 2: Steward? But who was uh? Angel Williams, Angela Williams.

03:13:02
Speaker 1: Didn't you smack?

03:13:03
Speaker 2: Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Tim Biakabatuca, Mike Tolbert, wild pull, So I got some wild I got some wild deep Rodney Pete. That's first ballot cat right there. You know who else? Chris Gamble, Captain Captain Monolin. Yeah, dude, there's some deep, deep knowledge going on with me. I'm trying to think if we had some one else. I hate to cut this shore, but I have to. I have to leave I have to get back to the house because Nanny's got it. She's she's doing it. She's got an appointment of four forty five.

03:13:41
Speaker 1: That's the end of the show. Guys, thank you so much. Subscribe.

03:13:48
Speaker 2: I like a man that practices what he preaches. Dad life. He's like, I'm a good dad. You get up in the interview. Good dad. Confirmed, good dad, Save travel Save travels.

03:13:57
Speaker 1: She had nowhere to go right now. He's just he's just I know, I tell I have to leave it four. So I'm gonna do that right now. Yeah, that's a good question. Oh that's a different one. Confirmed, good debt.

03:14:08
Speaker 2: All right.

03:14:10
Speaker 1: He We appreciate you coming, man. I know that when we did Tight Ends and Friends, it was like that little conversation we had in that back green room. We're like, dude, we gotta get this guy in the pod.

03:14:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.

03:14:19
Speaker 1: And it's taken a little bit, it has, but we finally got it.

03:14:22
Speaker 2: Man. We did it. In between dadding well done the journey.

03:14:25
Speaker 1: Here we go on, good time, good time, looking forward to your your commitment.

03:14:30
Speaker 2: Yes, January night, Jennery seven on the bus right here.

03:14:35
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