In Case You Missed It: #182 - Caylee Hammack on help form Luke Bryan’s Mom, Playing in Bars with a Fake ID, and her Mt. Rushmore of Favorite Musical Artists

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Bobby and right now I'm recording this from my iPhone. I am in Montana doing a pretty cool thing for the new TV show. But with Kaylee Hammock's new record coming out, and you know, we have all these great interviews with all these singers and songwriters. I mean, Kaylee was one of the last ones, maybe before COVID hit, maybe a little before that. But I really loved it. I'm a big fan of her. I hope you check out her her new record that's out. We talked about in the last episode, but I wanted to replay this one in case you've never heard it. So here you go so much. So I'm in Montana and I thought I would record this and get this up for you. So check out a new record. But here it is Kaylee Hammock. It's about an hour with her and hope you get to know her. Hope you like her. Thanks, guys, I wanted the episode with Kaylee Hammock. You're good. Good. We spent all day yesterday together, so I know you'd find the house. Yeah, I knew where it was. Um, we've we've just seen the front. We we did the video or Blanco brownly get up, michaelill play me a little bit that I want so I know. So I reached out to you early and I was like, hey, let's do this on camera because it's gonna be huge. It's already kind of starting to be a thing. And I was like, it's gonna be huge, and we have the resources to call and have guys come shoot this. We have the same management, the same team, and so we had a couple of cameras out here and Blanco came out and Blaney, Um, so we just kind of had a thing over the house yesterday and so we shot it like five minutes ago. I got the first edit of it back. It's so funny I got because I did Dancing with the Stars, I got a little PTSD yesterday. I was like, oh my goodness, I'm dancing again. But you kind of know what you're doing. Well, I okay, so you probably I feel like you probably know this, but yeah, I was extremely intimidated because I found out on Sunday and then they were like, hey, um, he wants to dance, you know the dance And I'm like, I don't dance if he asked me. Because wanted someone to look good beside. It was like. But then I went to the Gold's Jim yesterday, UM or day before, and yeah, I UM. I asked him if I could use one of the aerobic rooms. So I got in there with my sneaks, stood in front of that mirror, put a Beyonce fan in front of me, and I just went wild. Have you had no dance experience? No? Only like I was kind of raised to be a debutante, so we had to learn how to foxtrot and walt some things. And I always loved it. All I wanted to do was ballroom when I was younger. I loved it. I thought it was so eloquent. Um are not eloquent, elegant. I haven't had enough coffee yet, but yeah, I always wanted to do it. Coffee. I'm really bad about coffee. You wake up normally. I wake up about seven or eight every day. UM, whether I want to or not, my body just wakes me up. Um. But today we just kind of were running. I have to pack and after this I had to Detroit to play the UM one of the ho Down festivals tomorrow. H I was. I don't host it anymore, but I program a show and national show on the weekend that's all female artists, and I put in your song just Friends, and I knew the song already, just from from your music, Hey, Mike and people with the whole track for a second, um, because it starts out it's very slow, yeah, and I'm and I'm listening. I'm in the car and it comes on and I'm like, and I'd forgotten what song it was. Uh. Then it starts to play and I was like, oh, this song is so good, and I get the family trained a second, which is the single, right, yeah, but it sounds like an all traditional country song. Yeah. So my thought was in my head, I'm on the Porter Wagner Show right now, you know, just singing, um, kind of nod my head to country music, the music that kind of taught me how to speak with my heart. I feel like in music. But I'm also a nineties baby, you know, like I grew up on all the alternative bands. I grew up on Weezer and Cake and I wanted to be like them, so and right, here's yeah. And then I got Piste off, you know, and when you when it when it flipped, because I it sounds like a whole I don't know if you remember what what hole is like celebrity skin. It doesn't sound like it melodically, but just the feeling of all those Courtney loves this super strong, angry female and I I love this song like I do. I love this song so much. Yeah, it's so good. Someone the other day was like, UM, so you're kind of a country risk taker, aren't you? And I was like, am I? Because I feel like I'm an eighty five year old woman inside that likes to garden in her spare time. Like, thank you for that. I'm so glad you see that as being a rebel. Everybody check that out, check out just just for friends. Yeah, I love this song. I have it on even my I don't know how you stage songs the songs that I like and then pops up on my list and I just play back whatever. But it's on one of my last five or six songs like personally that I love. I love this song. Here here we go. Yes, Yeah, it's just fun to rock out on. Yeah, you play this with a full man. Yes, I love anything I can just bang my head to. What song do you play with your ding ding ding ding? That's it? Actually I played just friends together. Yeah, in a broken down acoustic set. I have a little Fisher Price sylophone to play it. I think that's why, because I've only ever seen you play this acoustic, not with the big electric. Whenever we were talking last, you had mentioned to me, and I made a note of this, you said, because I wanted to bring this up. You came on my radio show and you said, get me drunk and the hillbilly comes out. I'll tell you what that means on the podcast. Oh yeah, Well then I felt I felt bad because I was like, oh, you don't drink. It was just like a joke. I was like, it has nothing to do with anything. I just, um, I've tried very hard to not lose myself or lose my roots, but also I like to I like to dictate myself. I sometimes find, um, I get real excited or tipsy and all of a sudden, all my words starts slurring together. I got it from my grandmama. But what's the hillbelly part of it? I just I kind of become a little bit of a redneck. Like there's a reason why I don't really drink a lot, because it's normally my idea of a good time is getting just tipsy enough that I just want to go dance, and usually it's by myself. And then as soon as I so brought from that, I'm like, Okay, I'm fine. I want to go get a corn dog and I want to go home, and that's like the perfect night. Um that. Yeah, just I get a little redneck. I like my southern rock. I like to my old rock and roll and stuff, and I just I don't know. I'm a Joe diffy girl, you know. I they Sammy Kershaws of the World or kind of the music. I seem to be drawn to a lot, especially when I'm drinking. I was looking at your answer story yesterday and it said that you're a single, a dog mom and thriving, working towards giving your dog the backyard she deserves. Yes, she Um, we have a pretty good backyard right now. But I'm just now kind of working towards um like a tour bus in which she would feel comfortable Tarba streisand has to feel comfortable Tarba Streisand yeah, we call her Tarbs for short because it's just too much. But she's a Tarbara. Yeah, so I was gonna name her Barbara, but she's not a barb you know. And then I tried other letters, and for some reason he just stuck. I was like tarbes and I was like, oh, we can do tartar beanks, tartar sauce, you know, just all the little I love to give her weird names. She answers to like ten different names. Now that she is definitely a studio sprite. She made the whole record with me. She was there for every little bit of it. So um, now just getting to the point that we can get a tour bus. Now that we have the backyard we kind of maybe not the backyard she deserves, but a decent backyard. Now we just have to get her on the tour bus. Here is a family tree my daughters video. Yeah, Kirk Lambs probably took his longs minded because he was trying. I was giving me a second during that song so you could drink your coffee you're holding in your mid story. I was like, I'll play a clip, let her have some more coffee there. Um, so early on one of your first we'll call it a break. Um. Was was a bit connected to Luke Bryan. Yeah, tell that story. So I'm from Laville, Georgia. It's a very small town. Um in south central Georgia area, close to Alabama line. And uh Luke Bryant is from Leesburg, Georgia and uh about twenty thirty minutes, I guess, um. But anyways, UM, his mama, ms Leclair, used to work for the town hall, I believe. And my dad is a well driller, so he drills majority of the water wells in our part, our region of Georgia. And um, anyways, he was drilling one for the city of Leesburg and met Ms Leclair and I think that he started the conversation and just said, hey, like, you have a son that made it, I have a daughter that's trying real hard. Um, I just wanted to see if you had any advice. And Ms Leclair was like, get her to come see me. And so my dad came home. I think I was sixteen, seventeen years old, and uh anyways told me I have to go see miss Leclair. So I put on my fancies high hills because for some reason that made me feel way more adult. And uh I walked in into the town hall of city of Leesburg and she's sitting there and she just looked up at me, and the only thing she said to me was you're taller than I expected. And I was just like, Hi, Hi, Um, I'm Kayleie Hannock, I'm you know, you're Luke Brown's mom. This is the CD I was supposed to bring to you. It's a burnt CD that I wrote like in sharpie, all the titles of these songs I'd written on and UM. Anyway, she was like, well, let's go outside. I need to smoke a cigarette. So we leaned against the town hall. Um, and she smoked a cigarette. We watched the peanut trucks passed by, and UM, yeah, that was really about it, very short, very to the point. You know. No, I just gave her, just gave her the CD because she had heard, um, I played in that area a lot, and she was like, I've heard of you, like i've heard of you playing, you know, but I've never seen you, So just give me the CD. And a few weeks later, it was on a day that I Bobby I there's probably like five times in my life I've actually been mad, like really mad, and um that day was randomly a day that I just felt frustrated at the world. It takes a lot to irritate me, and um, I was irritated that day. And I remember I was pulling weeds at my mom and dad's house to just get out of the house, and uh, someone called me from a Nashville number. I answered it and uh He's like, hey, is this Kaylee? And I was like yeah, and he goes, this is Luke and I was like, look, I know, I know fifty eight Lukes. I'm from South Georgia. What Luke area? And he goes Luke Bryan and I was like killed me. Now, like what, Kaylee? You start the conversation off with a country star and you know, and you're already being snikety, but it um anyways, so I went, oh, I'm sorry, I've had a long day. Um, why are you calling me? Like, you know, like what is this far? And um anyways, Uh, Mrs Leclair had given him my c D and when she came up for the CMFs that year, she played it for him and he was like, well, I need to talk to her. And he's like, I think you need to moved to Nashville, and UM, I said, well, Luke, I'm trying to do what you're doing. What you did he went to Georgia Southern. You built a fan base, and then when you went to Nashville, they really heard you because you had your people behind you. I'm trying to build my fan base. And I said, I don't know if I'm ready to go yet. I don't feel like my heart's ready to go yet. And um, the time, I had just turned seventeen, I think, um. But he was like, I don't know if you're really smart or really stupid and not listen to me, but I guess listen to your gut. I just I think you could do this. I think you need to move to Nashville. So I was like okay, and um, you know, we stopped talking. Uh, we ended the conversation, and then he called right back and he goes, I need to talk to your dad. So I to go in and get my dad off eBay and be like, hey, um, Luke, Brian's on the phone for you, and uh yeah, he talked to him, and Luke was just like Mr Hammock. I just wanted to apologize because I just told your underaged daughter that she needs to move four dred miles away from home. Um, but I'm just I just said that because I think she could do it, and I think she needs to do it. And I'm so grateful for all the people that have told my parents like, she can make it. She could really make it because that encouragement and that support from my home base, you know, in my family that really I'm in the world to me and um, just help me kind of on this uphill battle. So Luke doing that, it really meant it meant a lot to me. And then when I was in between record deals, UM and I was choosing, he called and he's like, isn't Universal great? Universal is a great place? And I was like, who puts you up to this? But um, it was funny to actually get to talk to him again. It's a full circle. Did you save his number after he called you the first time? Just in case? Like you pushed save and Luke and then okay, I know a smart person probably would have. But Bobby, I just he told me to tell him when he when I got to town, and uh, He's like, why didn't you tell me when you go to town? And my thought is like, no, Like, when you need to hear of me, you will. I'm not. I don't like asking people for favors. I don't like I don't like people thinking that I want something from them. Um, So I just never reached out. I was like, when he needs to know who I am, he will like he'll hear my name and go I think that's that girl. So um. That may have really prolonged this journey, but it all happened the way it should and I feel like it happened organically. So um yeah, I do have his number now though, and I have it saved in like all cats. Luke Brian, how long until at the end of that conversation until you packed up a move to Nashville, It's about two years. I just felt something in me that I had to prove myself in a small town before I went to the big town and tried to say like, hey, look at me, like listen to my song. No, like I needed to pay my dues. And I think you gotta you gotta start that at your hometown. You gotta make sure the people around you see something before you go and you try to get more attention in a bigger city. So playing small bars, clubs around ye, Georgia, Alabama, Like where are you moving? Yeah? Mostly all around Georgia, Um, Alabama, A little in Florida. Never got to Carolinas for some reason. I don't know why, but um, that was usually where I stayed, and I played the same place as over and over and over again because I knew I could pull a big crowd and they go, yeah, come in on Friday night, like, yeah, we need a good sell at night. So um, I usually there was a few bars that always hit up back home, and then um, you know, like drive through the night to go to Montgomery to play a Battle of the Bands and lose, and then have to drive my band back through the night to get back in town. There's a lot of moments that UM helped make me and helped me kind of really appreciate when you show up to a place and like there's an on site person showing you around backstage to everything, and there's catering. Oh god, bless catering. You know. I'm used to play in places that I had to sell my own merch, had to get the merch there myself, and then play a four hour set, find the bar manager before he gets too drunk to make sure that we settle and I can pay all my guys, and then drove them back. So now it's just I'm really grateful for all those times I've played and gigged around Georgia, especially because it makes all of this just kind of feel like a fairy tale. So you're nineteen and you just said, okay, I gotta make the move. By the way, why would you have such a bad day? Is there a boy thing? I don't know. I just remember like when Luke calls, I automatically go, well, I know fifty eight Lukes, what Luke are you? And I was like, why did I say that? Where did that even come from? Sassy Kylee like, gosh, you move up your nineteen ish you moved to Nashville, and what kind of car again? I? Oh, I have an oh five land Rover. So it was. It was a little beat up, but I just thought it was so fancy and it was cheaper than a newer Honda, so it still looked good. It looked really good. It was like seven years old when I got it um, but the owner before me had kept it up and I was like, this looks like a star's car. That's why I like. My parents were like, you can either get an old, like a newer, nicer car that's still used, or you can get this way older land Rover, and I was like it looks cool. Yeah, that no one else had. So that was why I was like, I want it, and um thank god I got it because I could blow up an air mattress halfway and push it into the back and it became a little apartment for a while. Helped. Yeah, so so you move here, and did you go I'm gonna find a place to rent. I'm gonna like, what was the mindset? You're going to stay in the back of your car for a couple of weeks A few days, No, I had I was going to stay in a motel and um, I had told the boyfriend, the guy that I was dating at the time, in November back home because I had been commuting for a year eighteen and nineteen. I've been commuting. Um, I drive up every Sunday night, and then I would write Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, maybe Thursday if I could book it, and then I would drive back home so that I could been the weekend with him in my family and be up there. And anyways, I'm hopeless romantic, I especially at the time, and I was like it'll work. Love knows no bounds. Um, so I was making that work. But it finally just got to the point I was like, I have to go. Like I've let one man tell me that he needed me so badly and then hurt me. I I need to actually bet on the one thing that's never hurt me. And that was the dream versus love. And I was like I need to go. And um, anyways, my boyfriend there was like, well, I'm not doing long distance and I was like, Okay, this sucks, but all right, So I moved up. It was December one, two thousand thirteen. Um. I was heartbroken. I didn't know anyone. And when I got to the motel, the sun was going down and it was a thirty dollar at night motel over in Antioch, and um, it was what I out afford. And it just it just wasn't where a young girl needs to stay by herself. Um it was just not good. It didn't seem safe. I don't know how else to say it. And UM, I just I remember laying in that bed and I was like, I can't do this. I can't stay here. So I got up in the middle of the night, I got my dog, got my bag, and we just went and slept in the target parking lot in Brentwood because I knew that there was a security guy that went all the way around at night, and I knew I wouldn't get messed with. And um, so I did that. And then did you like give him my head's up? Hey, I'm be sleeping on my car because it's like the security guy because it seems like they'd kick you out of the parking lot if they knew you were sleeping there. No one messed with me like that was the thing. I'm like, praise God for a target. Um, no one messed with me. So you would where would your shower? I go back to the motel, So whenever I needed a shower, it was only for a few weeks and then, um, whenever I needed a shower, I'd just go back. So you would stay in your car and then occasionally you go and paid the nights. Yeah, pay and clean yourself up. Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't very glorious. Um, not very fancy, but it it got me in Nashville, and that was literally just all I wanted. I was like, if I'm here, I can do this. You're telling your parents living in the car. No, I was staying in a motel and it was nice and they didn't need to know anything else because they're amazing human beings and I just they worry. Man. That's one of our love languages is worry. I think when I love someone, I worry about them, and that's what they do, you know. Especially I'm the baby of the family and I just got broken up with move seven hours away and I'm staying in a motel Like that was already bad enough. I felt like for them to know, so I, uh, I was staying in that car. And then my dad came up to visit me. Um, there was a well driller's convention in Nashville, so I had to go back to the motel and I just got another night pictures yourself up, vacuum a little in a um. So, yeah, so we're staying there and I had the blow up mattress. I was like, oh, I'll sleep on here and you can sleep in the bed. And anyways, that night was the first time that we snuck into honky Tonk Central. My dad some of his friends were going to go there, and I was like, well, if I get there before six, they won't. I d me and um, I had a fake I d that a girl I played basketball with in high school had ordered me one online that said I was from Pincacola, Florida, I think, and um, like the dark web, Like where do you order? Oh man, I don't even know this girl. This girl hooked me up and I got two of them. So when the first one got caught, I had a purse strolling out of my car at like sev eighteen and the of course the police officers in my hometown found it and they were like, so, ma'am, we found a lot of your stuff. Um, actually a lot of it made it. But um, there's two I d s. And I was like, ok, I can explain, I can explain. Oh yeah, that was That was a weird conversation. But um, in the back of my head, I was like, thank god they gave me two when I ordered these. Um anyways, okay, sorry, back to Nashville, staying in my car, Um, my dad came up. We went to Hockey Talk Central and which is a big Broadway bar for those it's like a big talk bar in the middle of like tourist Nashville. Yeah, it's three floors. It's one of the louder ones. And um, yeah. So I went up to the main stage and I asked the bass player if I could sing, and um, he said forty dollars to sing with the band. Wait, oh really yeah? Because the thing is people all the time and they're like, I can sing, it's so good, Like if you just give me migraphone. You know, when you're just like, um, I you know, because you're like, you're going to run off the other people if I let you up. But for forty dollars, I'll let you up and you can sing Britney Spears for three minutes. Come on. You know. It was another way for us to make money because we get um tips there. We don't usually get a very big basse pay. Bass pay was like the bar would give you twenty five dollars for a four hour set and the rest is tips. So um. Anyways, when he says that to me, I automatically was just like what And he's like, hiss, forty dollars, don't you want to do it? And I turned back around and I was like, look, I I get paid to sing. I don't pay to sing anymore. Thanks, And I just turned around and walked off. And of course as I turned around, I bumped into this older man with a teenage mutant into turtle shirt on, a flannel shirt over that, a big white beard and beanie on, and he's like, well, where do you get paid to sing? And it was Greg Humphrey. Um. He was the bar or the band manager down there for years. He used to play with Willie and Charlie Pritt and all of them at the Palmino over in um l A. And anyways, he's just a wonderful bass player. He was a wonderful human being. And he was like, okay, like where do you play? And I told him and he turned around and he said a jeb like, Jeff, don't be a beep hole. I don't know if we can cuss it, Jeff, don't be an asshole, Like let the girl sing? And I did, and I brought my harmonica with me like I was ready. You know, um, I think I started with Gunpowder Lead and then I did Copperhead Road and I did the dance to it as well. Yeah, well, I was like, well what can get people dancing? That's what it is is. Commercial music is whatever it takes for someone to take money out of their wallet and put it in that bucket in my hand. So I was like, okay, like I'll just give you that and then did like Mary Jane, our last dance of Mary Jane and play the harmonic on it, and um, they're like, holy crap. Well after that, I kept looking out there and Greg kept spinning his finger and that's like one more, one more, one more. Got to about seven songs and then Um came down and he's like, you want a job, and I was like, yes, sir, and he's like, well, be here tomorrow. So I did it the next day. He made me run the tip jug and it was it was like a scene out of a movie Bobby. It was. He got the tip jug from It was the first time I've ever had to ask someone for money, you know, and asked them, how much do you think my talent is worthy? Put it in this bucket and and um, yeah, he looked down in the bucket and he looked at me, and they looked down on the bucket again and shook it some and he said he seemed good and you talk slow people like that, you still need a job. And I was like yes her, and um, he's like all right, be back at eleven. And I was like Humphrey, Actually, I'm I'm under age, like I'm nineteen. Do you think I can get in? And he goes, if you come in with me once, they'll never ask for your idea again. And I was like okay, and they didn't like I. I went back and forth, and when I finally turned twenty one and they thought I was turning twenty five, that was when I finally told everyone so. And that kind of became your place for a bit. Yeah, it was. Um. It was where the creators and the singers and the musicians that needed to pay their bills but didn't knowwhere else to do that, you know, doing what we do. That was where we all kind of thrived. It's where we kind of centered around each other. Um. I worked downtown for two and a half years for our sets, three of four times LAK. Normally, there's a lot of warnings you don't want to miss, like a sign saying bridge ahead, or the lifeguard announcing shock in the water. But in the digital world, there may be no warning when it comes to cyber threats. And that's why life Flock identity theft protection includes Norton Security. For more protection, life Flock uses proprietary technology to health, detect threats to your identity, lack your personal info for selling the dark web, and Norton Security protects your devices from ransomware, emerging viruses, and other online threats, and if you have a problem, their agents will work to fix it. 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Check it out by searching for on the job from Express employment professionals in the I Heart Radio app or wherever you listen. It's funny because you know, I'll go down have a drinking coffee while I while I well, yeah, I'm giving you a second. Hear that, have some coffee while I tell a slow story. I'll go down the Broadway sometimes and you see all the people that are playing, and it's a lot of kids two and you're going, a couple of these kids are gonna come out of this and actually have your type story and be on a major stage. You go, look, this is this is kind of the path that I took. And I always come in. It's always cool to see because there are a couple of a couple of Christiansen's one of them too. I know who. I saw him for the first time down there. Yeah, and so did you ever see that? I always wonder did you ever? We ever playing? And like an artist would come in or somebody the kind of famous would come in and you would go, oh manor or a record guy and they weren't really looking. They just happened to be in that bar. Oh man. There. Every now and then there'd be someone like a publisher or something that I knew, and I was like, oh my god, my god, don't judge me, like I can. I can write real sincere songs. All right, here's redneck woman way. So you were like, oh, don't judge me, instead of like, oh, I have a time a second to shine in front of these people. Yeah, because the whole time, what I was, the reason I thought they would judge me was I wanted to be a songwriter. You know. It wasn't really about being the artist. It was about I want to tell this story. And what I realized after signing it Universal Publishing was a lot of my songs and things I say no one wants to say at that way, you know. Um, so I knew that I had to be the artist to put it out just to get those stories where I wanted them, and that was in the public. So I don't know, I just I would have rather been at a right around and just been me and a guitar and go, okay, let me take you down a memory lane, you know, instead of like, here's one more song about drinking. He and Yeah, your accents are funny too. She has a different accent for every story. I sometimes sometimes she's a leprechn and you know I've been wondering when you pick it up. Yeah, that's kind. I'm assuming that's irish. I don't really. Yeah, it's really bad once you pointed out what's your living situation turned into? Because you're for a bit you're sleeping a target. But then you get a job and you're actually able to make money. Do you find an apartment? Yep? I found a little um sublet apartment that I leased. It was a basement apartment in Bellevue, and I killed every single house plant I ever bought because there wasn't enough sunlight base. Yes, but the thing is, actually, looking back on it now, if there was one thing I could say to that girl, like just enjoy it, because I cannot tell you the last time I just had a day off to myself with a good friend there and absolutely nothing to do. Because there is a sense of freedom and this pureness of happiness there that you can find in that kind of dark basement apartment if you have a good friend with you. And um, I feel like now life is just so busy that you don't get time to really overthink, You don't get time to wonder anymore. You know it's just go, go go. I bet you're like that. Um, but yeah, there's something about that little basement apartment. Though it killed all my house plants, they had good moments. You know. We were poor, so we'd go to Sonic Wednesdays. There's fifty cent corn dogs. Uh. We'd spend our nights off at McKay's, the used book store, and if I was lonely, I would just go up there on a Friday night. I went almost every single Friday night, and I would find a book that I wanted to read, and then I just sit down in aisle and watch people and like, you can't imagine how many people come to a used bookstore on a Friday night, and I, Um, i'd start writing songs about them or just basking in the company of knowing the world still spinning around me. Though I feel like I'm you know, isolated in that basement apartment. But then I'd go to work and I'd see a plethora of people and personalities and then I'd go hide away in my little basement dungeon apartment and write songs about it. It's funny you mentioned because I think back to it when I was in college living in this really rotten apartment, and how much fun that I had because the whole world was still kind of in front of me. When the whole world is still out there, even though you're super broke, you go eventually, I'm going to figure this out, and there's a sense of yeah, it's a struggle now, but I have so much space, have so much it's it's such an empty canvas for me to create over the years that it is fun. But I struggle with that if I could just tell that person to just have fun because I was having trouble getting lunch meat, it's hard to have fun whenever you can't really get bologny and cheese, and you just gotta get bologny. So it's kind of it's a weird mix. It's a weird mix of struggle. But when I look back, it was super pure like that. That the the amount of man, I'm eventually going to figure this out that was inside of me was I was full of it and not like I'm full of crap now. But I just knew it was gonna I know how it's gonna work out. But if I didn't think it's gonna work out, I wouldn't stay doing it. Like if I ever thought I'm not gonna do it, I would have just I would have done something else. And I'm assuming that's the same with you. As much of a struggle as it was, you had to believe in yourself so much because there's an ego involved in what we do. Any time you create something and you go I think what I'm doing is good enough that people will either pay for it or they'll sit to it and listen to an advertisement because I'm worth it. On the other side of it, there is an ego, sometimes healthy, sometimes not. And with that being said, like you had to be in this basement going will not just get my shot, or when I take these couple more steps, like people are gonna love what I have to say. I mean that was the thing, right, Yeah, I had, um I've realized for me, like I get intense envy and I used to think, Um, I do you know what your angiogram is? Eight? Defiant one and the broken eight and then a one whatever the second one is. Yeah, wow, Okay, I was thinking for some reason, I was thinking three with a four wing. But I don't know. I'm I've taken that test. Listen, I'm not a big belief. Sure, it's okay, you don't have to believe. I don't not believe. I won't start talking about horsecode. You can, you can't. I don't not believe. I just don't believe. I get it. Meaning if you believe, and it's awesome for you, and I'm not gonna hate on you for it, because there's no way I can prove you wrong. Well, what I've I didn't really believe it until I read this book called Sacred Indiogram and it goes in depth, like with the numbers, and all it did was it showed a little clarity for me and I got something out of it. But um, it talked about how the four the individualist my number. It said that my weakness was envy, and I was like, no, I don't really like I don't get envious of I'm single as they come, but I don't get envious of relationships. I I'm not the skinny tan beauty you know. I was like, but I don't get envious of that. Like there's moments and I was like, I don't get envious of other people in their situations. But then I went to an Eric Church concert and I was sick the entire time, just sick to my stomach watching someone else do what I wanted to do so badly, and I wasn't able to so um for years. I am finally to the point now that I can watch music documentaries. So now it's like Holai watch um because I couldn't for years watch that and listen to artists and musicians and writers talk about how they crafted their skill and stuff because I felt so unworthy of even knowing anything about it, and I felt so small, and I was envious of they're really doing it, you know, they're getting to create something put it out into the world. And uh, now I can finally go to a concert and enjoy myself because I get to be on a stage and I have that. I literally have that little soapbox too, put my word out on and um. For a while, though, yeah, it was very envious of anyone living their dream because I was dark. I didn't have anything to kind of fill that void. I was still trying to figure out who I was, and I had to go through that. It's funny how we look at other people and they give us different inspirations and by the people and I individual people give us different feelings. But for you mentioned envy. For me, it's all it's competition. Like I see people and I go, oh, well they had it easier than I did, and I'm about to be better than they are. And and I think a lot a lot of it's how I grew up and I was always the small, poor kid who got picked on. So every everything in life with a competition. To me, I had to prove myself all this that you have to prove yourself and unhealthily to like, you know, I get it, I totally get it. I feel a little snippets of that. I'm not proud of it. So that's not where you going this. But you know, I think a lot of how we were wired ends up being on how we treat ourselves and treat others, you know, later in life. And I wonder where that comes from with you where you where you said the people and you're just still because for me it's not healthy sometimes where I'm just like, oh, okay, you want to do you think you're good, I'm about to be the best radio person in the history of the world, and give me a minute. And never I'm jealous where you are. But it's about to be I'm about to beat you at where are you? I couldn't. I'm telling you. For the first ten years of my career and I started on I seventeen, every show I was up against, I hated them, didn't you meet them? Hated their guts. I didn't if the Pope was on one of one point three Pope FM starr the Pope, I was like, I hate him, it's going to be dope owner. Now it's different. Now I have a platform where there really isn't anyone who is based on who I'm talking to a contemporary So I'm not really competing with people now, and I'm competing with YouTube. I'm competing with just the world. You're just trying to get anybody's attention. It's impossible, like anyone's attention anymore because there are so many things. But for me, that's where mine comes from. Where do you think yours comes from? I don't really know. I think it's because as a kid. As a kid, I had two older siblings that we had already kind of moved on and went to high school or college by the time I came about my mom and went back to school, and my dad just worked really hard so I had a lot of time to myself. UM. I was alone a lot. I felt like, UM, but I feel like that's exactly what made me me and it's where my imagination came from. You know. I had to be alone. I had to be lonely and board for my brain to create what it needed to create, UM, so that I can create what I create now. But there was moments of like I just remember, like watching like Stevie Nicks. There'd be a rerun of her and some concert with Fleetwood Mac and I'd just be like, God, I just want that, I just want that. I would watch um one of the first things I ever bought. Did you ever buy anything from the TV in your life? Like that? You call in and it's like three orders of five shipping and handling. That's a funny impression, Amy, my friend my coast did all the time. I never buy I take that back. I bought the ab shocker once. It was like a torture, like you put it on. Apparently it shocked the six back. I gotta tell you, the only thing I had a little burn marks on. He turned it out. I was gonna say no and beat Mr Cool guy. Don't ever be cool. I wasn't. I really was just feeling like I hadn't and I was like, no, of course, why I would have buy I'm like, I'm like, I'm smart. Then I go, you know what, I bought the absolute lamest thing you could buy. I had it too, No shame here? What else would you buy? Mine? Was? I think I was like twelve years old, and um, it was this discollection. It was like I still have the tin and everything, but it was the golden classics of country music. Yes, And that was literally all I wanted was to be in that little title track of Like And I didn't want to be just in the title track that's going down. I want to be the one that's highlighted. And then they're gonna have the karaoke words with a little bouncing ball and it's gonna be a like a picture of me on Porter Wagner's show. That was what I wanted. Um. I would just sit there and listen to that over and over and over again and be like a ten minute INFO commercial and be like, Mom, getta please, get it please, and she's like, we don't buy things off the TV. I'm like And finally, after I complained enough and begged enough. My dad was like, just buy the freaking CD set, just do it, And we did, and I just wore it out. Old Country Classic Country was like, oh I listened to when I was a kid. It felt like but yeah, I just I wanted that. I wanted to be laut Alin. I wanted to beat Patsy Klan. What were your parents musically? My mom she introduced me to Jim Crochy and by the way, that like bad badly Roy Brown, like like Jim like seven Jim Hill in places called seventies soul country almost is what Jim Croch for. People don't know. Jim Croach is um like you could probably play a little little Jim Crowch you can keep probably. I just want to make sure that people kind of fall because I love Jim Croach Message of Bottle or this is actually this is one of my two all time favorite songs. Magical is old and he was able to tell a story with just a guitar in his choice simming where my brastl ex friend right right here. Gosh, she said, you new women sometimes like just I just I feel like he was one of those in depth lyrics this that you'd listen over and over, and then you'd pick up some little way that he'd say something and you're like, that's what he meant by it. He was one of those that I could die then too, and listen to over and over and over again and get something just a little different or a little humor, let some tongue in cheek in there. Um, I discovered something so nuanced. You'd always hear a little other because I also listen to a lot of Jim. My mom is a big Jim Crowchy fan, and she was the funny I wrote on my first book. Whenever my mom died, I was at her funeral. I was speaking at her funeral, and I was struggling with talking, and I had to talk to my mom's funeral and she died in her forties and so but I remember, as she would as I was talking, and I was crying my face off. Somebody's cell phone rings and it's a freaking Jim Crowchy ring tone. That was her smill in it. I don't know what it was, but that's what I said. So, yeah, and this came by, and so I think about this bad, bad role around the bat ist fan in the whole damn town. Yeah, I love. He was one of those like who else can write about a fight? A bar fight? And it's three minutes of like this in depth story where I'm just sitting there like, okay, well what happened to him? You know, Like there's one line that he says, uh, he came up from the ground looking like a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces gone, And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like his way of describing things was beautiful. My mom loved James Taylor. Um. She loves anything like the coffee House Channel. Now, that's kind of her vibe. She loves songwriters and storytellers. It's kind of my vibe too. If I have to pick a vibe, that's probably my vibe too. It's just mellow and nice, easy going. I like sad songs. I guess it's probably I really like sad. Do you feel like to bring yourself to Catharsis or what do you get out of it? You know, I don't feel happiness often, but I can feel sadness. You like the feeling of it? Then I like to feel anything, dude, it doesn't matter. I just like to feel something because I struggle with with that and I don't do well with happiness because I feel like it's always going to go away. It's so fleeting that it's gone, so I don't feel I don't feel there's a vulnerability and feeling happy that I don't do well with sadness. Okay, it's like a warm blanket. I totally get it. I seem to kind of be drawn towards the melancholy um side of life. I don't know why, but that's where I felt good. And I realized the older I got that I either want to be up or I want to be down. I don't hate the middle. You know. Um, there's actually a girl I went to high school with that Um. She was one of those people that every single day she felt the exact same like whether she was happy, whether she was sad, whether her boyfriend broke up, whether she was the exact same person every single day. And I am the opposite. I'm normally like a little chipmunk on crack most days, and then when I'm sad, it's like you may not be able to get me out of the house, and it's like a few days a year that it's like that bad, and I just have to respect myself and let myself kind of just dive into my pity party, you know, and I'm fine the next day normally, And uh, what I kind of realized because I always wondered, like, how is Lindsay so happy? Why was she so happy? Like just always so mellow, you know, And I was almost envious of that because I couldn't feel that just a normal like it was either I was super super happy or was really really sad. And I feel like a lot of creative people are this way. But um, there was a see saw in our backyard that finally I remember one day sitting out in the backyard and looking at it, and I realized kind of what it was. It was like if if we were standing on that seesaw, Lindsey was somewhere in the middle, so the up and down wasn't really much, and I am some little overweight ten year old flinging her body on the farthest reaches of it, you know. So I was either like just rocketed into the sky emotionally or I was flat on my button the dirt. And um, I think the minute I kind of learned how to embrace that and just I don't know, be okay with that, be okay with crying and being statically happy to that's what you are. And I know, and I've done a lot of work on myself, and I said, I don't. I far fewer times am I sitting in my room listening to If I Can Only Fly from Merle Haggard. I do still some a r M. Everybody hurts like those are the oh that one's such a good lay down and cross song at like you're in a movie. It's far fewer, but I know that that's where I go. And I was talking to a friend pretty recently and she's a comedian, and she was she's editing her special, She's with She's with the other she just did a Netflix special and she was like, I know that I'm going to break down four or five times. I'm gonna hate myself as I'm breaking down every single time. And I'm like, well, if you know that you're gonna break down four or five times, why don't you give yourself four or five pup wants to break down and know that as you're doing it each time, this is you, and you're okay with you, and this is the expectation you have of yourself. Now, if there's nine times there's there's something that's a bit wrong and you kind of need to address that. But if you can actually understand how you react the situations, you can prepare better. And you know, I with me, I have to do that a lot, and I've gotten to be a bit happier. It's kind of because you're just you're loving on yourself more by allowing yourself to be you. I do. I finally understand what loving yourself means for the first time too, because I if I used to think people say that, but like when dudes I kinda learn to love man like you're just trying to break up with me. I know what this means now. What it means to me is sometimes if you love, if there someone in your life that you love like you're close to them as a friend or even romantic or family member, that if you love them, you have to sometimes make hard decisions for them, even if it's not if it's not fun, but you have for your self. Sometimes to like to love yourself means to make good decisions for yourself, even if it's like I love to eat lots of candy and sweets and desserts, and but that's not Sometimes I have to love myself enough to go yo chill or to get enough sleep, because I will go days just because with my schedule, I will go days. I don't know how when you sleep, because I struggle to get enough sleep. And I'm doing like a fifth of what you do and you're not doing a fifth of what I do. And that's that's nice of you to say. We're all working hard. But I have to make I don't have like fifteen shows. I have to go appure all that job. I don't you know, I don't get to let such a good anything. You know that. I but but I do feel like me loving myself. It's going all right. You know, you want to keep writing tonight for for this next book or whatever, but you have to actually love and respect yourself enough to get some sleep. And I finally started to understand what and I do I so I do love myself a little bit more now. I think it's healthier for me. It's interesting that you bring that up and that you say that are you doing that with you? Like are you? Oh? Yeah? Sleep is something I feel like it's a vocal us. You've got to get eight or not hours, like just for my voice to be where I want it to be because I hate A big pet peeve of mine is I don't like half passing when someone gets on stage and like, oh, I gotta pull off of this note. I'm like, I don't want to do that, but I know that we have to play so much. Sometimes you have to and you have to work off two hours of sleep, you know. But I try to just yeah, keep myself in check, like keep my mental and physical health in check, because I have to be sparkly a lot. You know, you have to be sparkly a lot. The most exhausting thing about what I do is what you call be sparkly, is I gotta be on all the time. It just it takes so much more energy, I think than people know. And it's not that we don't enjoy it. Like I love when I'm able to make connections and I can go to bed knowing that I made someone smile today, Like sometimes that is what I need. I struggle with darkness in my life, and that is something that I clean to, is to know that I have helped someone or done good by someone. Um, even if it's just someone singing along to one song, you know, and smiling in the crowd, but it's it's really tiring. I have become a nap master. I feel like I can nap anywhere. If I have my bows, headphones on, and I have my neck pillow in a little blanket, I can just post up anywhere in the corner and just knock out for twenty minutes. Not good for you, because I can't and I need it. You know, you talk about your term is sparklely, Um, what's a good term well being on? Because I my thing is I'm not an outgoing person, which is not that's not in me. That being said, I'll go on stage a new stand up for an hour. I'll do Afy the our radio show. I'll go up and do comedy music, I'll do let I have jobs where I'm super on and then when i'm not, I'm so off that people will see me sometimes and if I'm not like they're like, oh what a dick. And so that being and and listen, my stepdad my mom remarried once I was thirteen fourteen. My stepdad worked at the mill. So I'm not comparing my job to his. But I'm saying, for what I do I have, I have to stay on all the time, because if I don't, I don't want people to think of down. I'm not a dick. But if I'm at the airport and I got my head down and I'm tired or I don't know, I'm not feeling well, I get on Instagram, come on, we listen to you every morning, and You're gonna be ad dick to us, and I'm like, I don't even see you didn't say I know. It's one of those things. Now, i just put my headphones on and I'm just like, shoot, like I just kind of revert into myself like a little hermit. You're such a bold You're such a bold like physical presence though, like you with your big red hair, like you can't walk buy and people not go I know, which is amazing. And I'm so grateful when someone recognizes me, like it's a rare thing for me, Bobby. But the thing is, like I still sometimes like when I have no makeup on, I look, I'm either Kaylee Hammock or Raccoon with the dark circles underneath my eyes. And it's a five am fly, you know, to Detroit or something, and I'm like, Okay, I can totally talk to you. Just please don't ask for a picture because I really don't want this one Instagram. You know what's funny, boy, that is where where was I recently? Where people and I when you come up to me the only time I say, don't approach people if they're what they're eating, if they're eating, don't go to people and throw to kids. Otherwise we signed up. We love what we do, Like I wouldn't be able to have I want to do this podcast if warm people listening. But some people now will just walk up and I forget where I was at the airport? Here was it? What? They don't even ask me for a pictures. They just come up and just start snapping, and I'm like, at least let me see my own I know you're gonna post it. At least like take this sleep out of my eyes and let me smile. I'll take any picture you ever want. I think it's so funny when people people are so kind, you know, but like like someone will come up to and be like, you're so pretty. I'm like, trust me, like right now with all my make go on and me smiling directly at the camera. But it's so funny when people go to take like a burst and it's me talking in between. I look like a cartoon character the way my face moves. I'm like, I love so stupid. You do a bit look like a country Jessica rabbit. I was trying to figure and you haven't heard that before because your hair is so red? Is now? Is the red all? Like? How red? Or do you make it? Oh? I love to make it real red. I like to go to the ziggy look. I I love David Bowie, so it kind of just gives me like, I don't know, it's kind of a little self confidence boots boost. I can't talk. Um, Maybe I've drank too much coffee now. My tongue is moving faster than my brain is. It's funny to hear you talk about a lot of these older artists because I was listening to a lot of classic rock when I was a kid, too, And I have a lot of um music that I loved was before when I was born, right, And you're you're bringing up all these artists too, and some Mi Coup was in recently. We were talking about old music. Yeah, because we talked. She talked about old artists and cocono ol, and I was like, preach girl preach. I think part of where we come from being the South, that there's there's so many classic rock radio stations and classic country stations that we grow up and that's just more of a part of us than in other parts of the United States. Even like I knew every CCR song that you could buy, Like I love Credence, I loved all these I loved Zeppelin, I loved David Bowie, I love Jim crow Chick. All this stuff was because of all the classic rock radio that was everywhere. They were like three classic rock stations in Lotle Rock and Hot Springs and so. And it's funny whenever you guys, because you grew up in Texas and you grew up in Georgia, and I think that's a big part of why we have all these years and years of musical influence. Also because where we grew up, we weren't the most technologically advanced either. It was burnt CDs passed down for men and yeah, and even pause play record cassettes you you would tape off the radio. Plase, guy, I don't want to DJ talk over the front of the song because then I gotta listen to that every time. I want to hear baby got back. You know that would happen. So, yeah, it's funny to hear you're talking. Let's do this, then let's do And this is not you're not married to this. But if you were going to have a mount Rushmore of your five favorite artists of all time, and I can go, I'll do it along with you, so it gives your time to think. So because I haven't done amount Rushmore either, but five favorite artists. And if you pick a band, that's fine. The lead singer of the band just goes up and represents the whole band. Okay, So this is a mount Rushmore for just me personally, or do I have to pick it for like just you? It's only you, your heart, your life, you okay, A the mount Rushmore of my heart, Bowie would be Washington. Okay, you don't have to insert them for anybody. You can just pick five. What if I would, because I'm not gonna insert them because I'm just gonna put them up and he see. I feel like Tom Waits would probably be the Roosevelt, the little little tiny hit looking over looking over their shoulders. I love Tom Waits, Tom Waits, I'm obsessed with them. I would listen to Tom Waits and take that would be my nap artist because it's just Tom wait he just wait what record? Because some of them is like, like, it comes in really aggressive. I don't think I can nap through that. It definitely wasn't the weights harder stuff. It was the weights. The more my Mike, you play some Tom Weights. No one's ever play like Lulla By or something, but I would. I would snap in college or clap hands or jockey full of bourbon. What's your favorite like Waits record? Look at you over here? No one, Tom Wait, no one. I loved so. My dad told me that I was thirty five when I was born and of aged progressively ever since. But it's like an odd Benjamin Button's Okay, so one at a time, your first one bowe wait, hold on one at the time. Okay, rules, Okay, I'm a rule breaker. Okay, we'll talk over this. This is nice to talk over. Hello everyone, and welcome to our central reading of our podcast. Welcome to in Are. Today we're gonna talk about the organic b issue as a south central Alabama and Nora Roberts newest hit book. I don't know why, but that's what made me think of that boys. Okay, who'd you put on first? David? Boy David, I'm I'm gonna put on John Mayor, go ahead, okay, yeah, alright, uh wait, um, I'll put on Garth Loretta. I'm gonna put on Ben Folds, Johnny Cash. It's tough. You've got a lot of influences here. I'm gonna put on pound for pound. I'm probably gonna put out Willie. We got one more, I know, I know. I thought about saying Frank Zappa would be funny, but I was like, actually, enjoy him. Ben Harper the last one. I didn't always have to steal Mack. He's from you. I love that song. That was one of Burnt Seatie my sister handed down to me. Um, okay, I think my last one gotta be Cake Wow good pick Like um almost almost did it, but I was like, no, I'm a bigger Cake fan. I think weird thin you would know, Kake. I love Cake. I want to watch it their musical interpretation of everything ever, which just which that's a tough one to say. Oh my god, no no, no, no, no, no. Go in the distance, the distance, Yeah, that's I used to run to the and it's starting. Yeah, there you go. And the Green Flash four definitely Muscle for Rain. So the reason I love these guys is their sound is just so unique. I mean, who else sounds like them? Yeah? Um yeah nobody. And I haven't heard this song ifever turned up? Wasn't this eagle? That was another one? And all color covers look the same color to do shape on the on the front of all the all the rights. Drive didn't turn it up. He's going in the distance, He's going for She's all. And then it was like the kind of sitting out was never there, Like that was their big poppet. Yeah, I need your arms around me. I need to fill your Also the bass riffs and I'm a secret like bass lover. I got my little broncho basse at my house that I never play bass in front of people, but I loved to just sit and yeah, just make up little riffs and then all I gotta do is get four bars of it, throw it on the logic and then the next ride I go into I'm like, okay, there's this, Like it's just fun. But if someone handed me a bass was like, go ahead and play it, I would just completely fall apart. It's one of those like that accent. I'd be like, where are you from? I don't know you a Turkey? Are you from that accident? And what's in this bass? I don't I don't know why my voice does the things it does. They're coming on this, I oh, man, I just that's something. Actually, you know what. This may not work, but this is a big dream of mine. One day, whenever I have a headlining tour, I want to bring bands. I don't care what I gotta pay them. That's not it's fun to say right now, but let me tell you. I know, I know, I know, but I know how much opening acts get. I'm like, they would never do it, and I would pay them some thing just to have a big show, like bring I want Cake to play with me. I want ever Clear to play with me. I want Weezer to play with me. And if they would be willing to do it. Talking about my favorite bands on purpose? Did you study Bobby's favorite music? No? I didn't study you, um, but yeah no. I just I want them to play with me because they kind of raised me, you know, And I'm like, how cool would it be to go These are the people that make me who I am, Please enjoy them, thank you whenever. It was like three weeks ago, Oh, this is gonna be a good one because I can actually turn it into a story about you. Um. About three weeks ago, I go to City Winery because Art Alexis of ever Clear was playing, and he was playing with the leads lead singer of Eve six and the lead singer of Fountains of Wayne and the lead singer and Marcy Playground. What was this four No, there was their tour. It was these four lead singers and they would each go up and play and Art Alexis because I was a big ever Clear fan, and they eached the thirty minutes twenty to thirty minutes and Art Alexis goes on and I've seen him with with this band ever Club before a few times and it wasn't that great because he was trying to sing over the band. It was fantastic when he's by himself because he could act. It is because he can sing quieter. And my favorite every clip song is Strawberry. And I was like, oh, I don't know if he's gonna if he's gonna play Strawberry because it wasn't one of the bigger hits. And he goes on and he freaking play Strawberry and I was like, well, this is fantastic. And he's telling his stories like a songwriter around but with these big um nineties alternative guys. And he was like in artless he has m s. I had no idea. I didn't know that either, and he's he maybe sixty years old now or close to it. But that was the here's my the story here, and you can play a strawberry from every clar Mike do if you have it over there. It was the same stage that I first saw you play. It's City Winery. Because I was only told your manager, who I just love so much, Mary Hilliard, if you're listening to this, you probably are I just the lover. She's probably listening to make sure I don't talk about like anything bad. Listen. I just, I just, and I trust. She's one of the few people that I will if she says, hey, this, because sometimes it will be people not even she's not involved in it. Hey, this person is good, listen to them. And I only have a couple people in my life at all trust and good. And she was like, I got this girl. She was like she's real good. And this is before you had anything anything out its way, before you had anything out or before you were starting to be whispered about. She was like, man, she's gonna be so good, like she's already good. And I was like, Okay, I believe you. And when there's an appropriate time, I'm gonna go watch you had nothing out? And I go to the Girls of Nashville show because I'm friends with Caitlin and Heather Morgan. Yeah, and so um, I think some Caitlin lyrics where she wrote and didn't you have a thing. So I'm just big fans of them. And you were playing too, and I had forgotten and I was sitting with Mary Hilliard and I forgot initially up ongoing and think telling Heather I was gonna come that you were playing. And I was like, oh, well, let's just see what this girl about. Come on, here she is and you went up and you crushed it. Yeah, oh god, I didn't know you want there. I don't because I sing my pop stuff, but I never played. I don't announce that here coming, So they don't. They just go and try to chill and just sit with the presence is required. So but it was so good and I was and I after you played, I left and I was like, well good enough for me, Like that was awesome, Like I'm a fan and I watched it, and then when I was picking my class of twenty nineteen, which just means, you know, the ways of supporting other than just like because I can't play songs all day on the radio, but I can do things like put you on a morning show, put on the podcast I can. I can play play your song on the female show. Songs aren't your single, you know, like when I was talking about just friends. There are different ways, Um, we have a show in town, I can tweet about you. I can like the video that we did. You know. There are a lot of ways that I feel like I can help out with the exposure. And before you ever had a song out, I was like, I'm gonna put you in the first person I've ever done that with who didn't have a song out. And I was like, I'm gonna put you in the class because I've done it for five or six years now, and so I was such a big fan and Smash cut yesterday, We're dancing outside of my backyard to get to this song, right here. Yeah, okay, Loki, my legs are sort of day. Yeah, I ride the bike so much at my legs are pretty good. Oh yeah, Well you're just like squatting the whole time. I feel like I'm like, like I gotta get down there too, or it looks bad. But you have in you. Like my struggle the whole time on the Dance Show was it took me two or three days to even I feel comfortable enough to really try. And so I got I practice all the moves in the hotel because I've been in New York all week until like I literally just got in whenever Blanco and you and boys in the backyard and I was like, all right, I can do this. And so but it took me four or five times even feel comfortable to try. And you over here just grinding and down. I'm like, I wish I just had Kaylee's confidence. Well I knew I was gonna look stupid, so I was like, you just have to own it, you know what I mean? Like if Bill Murray walked around and did all the things he did and he's like, oh, I'm so sorry I did that, it wouldn't be funny or like cool. But he just does all these weirdly awkward things so confidently. Have you seen the Bill Murray documentary' Oh you'd love it. It's I forget what it's. You know what's called. I don't know. You haven't seen it. It's about all the weird things he does and people. It's on Netflix, and so it's a documentary this guy made. He's trying to find him because you can't find Bill Murray. Yeah, he has one one phone and he's always happen and he sometimes doesn't answer. You have to leave number, and even big directors, everyone can only call that phone. I think it's called finding Bill Murray Stories. Oh my gosh, it's so I'm gonna go get that from my flight tonight. Why are you gonna watch your phone? Can you watch your show on your phone? Yeah? Like at you you don't. I can't see I am see. I'm so bad about I'll just pull my phone into bed and just curl up and just watch it right here. Yeah. On a lot of my friends watched The Office on their phone, and I'm like, I'm so jealous. I can't see crap. And I was watching our video, our dance video, because I was the guy who shot it at a great job. Yeah, and I had to take it off my phone up on my computer because I just have never had good vision. I just I live with it. Well. I used to be that person that was like I have twenty fifteen vision and extremely good vision. And now it's like I'll start reading. I love reading, but it's like the words are getting smaller every year the passes, and now I finally have reading glasses and I have to have them. Sometimes. You do talk about your vision in Pilgrims voice, though, so I like that. It's a good I didn't even put it together. Dang it. Listen, we've been here and we've done that. We've gone an hour. I don't even look at the clock, Tory, and we've done an hour. It's the longest interview you've ever done. At one hour on the on the nose. Are we done longer? Um? Yeah, I guess except the last interview. UM, I had like five to thirty interviewers. Everyone asked me one question on the show doesn't count. What what was that show? It was the A C M. Lifting Lives at the Secret Studios. It was just all the kids came up. So I did that too, isn't that the greatest that was? I mean, that was the perfect thing to do right before this too, because it just kind of just like it made me happy. It just looked at my spirits and just kind of set me off to have a good day. Hit me with some Just Friends from Kaylee Hammock please my j I was talking to the head of our format, Sam draw Phillips were very love rod. He was one of the ones that pushed me here and then I helped him get He was working on a national all format stage and I helped him become the country. Guys. We definitely both put each other in our places here in a good and bad way, mostly a great ways, Like the closest to me and I was like, dude, you gotta hear Just Friends. It's not even a single, but you And so I made him listen to it. You know the awkward thing when you make him listen to a song in front of you and you and then you just sit there and watch them the whole time. And I did that to him almost like this is the like this is what we're looking for, like somebody one if the hook the course is super catchy. It's a bit of a risk, which is what it should be. And you're just good. You're good. And so that's this one. Here's family tree again. So I encourage that. Stream it, download at whatever you do with your music these days, you just wonder why YouTube though, I can't keep playing whenever you get out of the app. Oh it does if you get premium. Who's gonna get premium though? Well there she goes from living in the back of a car to getting premium YouTube. I've really, I've really look at you all right, Kaylee. Listen on Instagram? Is it just it's at Kaylee Hammicu at c A Y L e e h A M M A c K. And when I looked a minute ago, because I it was just looking at the preview clip of our dance video, it was at a quarter of a million of views. Yeah I saw that. You've got like a couple of thousand. Yeah, okay, Bobby. Look, I I don't have many followers on all my Instagram and all of that. Um, I've just kind of kept my blinders on them, like if I make good music, they will come. If you build it, they will come. So that's really exciting for me. So go follow Kaylee to hear this and im so glad. I have friends with a million. You may have YouTube super YouTube, alright, follow Kaylee Hammy, check out our music. I'm so proud of your proud for you, I am. I'm a fan any of impression, like any acting like the leaves with may the luck of the ider should be with you. Thank you very much, all right, episode, thank you