Greg Olsen Breaks Down Analytics On 2-Point Conversions; Ryan Day & Taylor Lewan Square Off; Josh Pate Reacts To Lane Kiffin & CFP Selection Drama

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to an another episode of Bus with the Boys. We have our NFL recap. We got Greg Olsen on the horn with the boys. We'll be talking the competition, the standing's going on in all the NFL divisions right now because a lot of people the playoff picture is going to look great. We are set up perfectly for December football. We will get in into all of that with Greg. We'll also get into some fun, some great analytics talk. I can't wait to pull up my desk, get out of pen and pencil, or get out of paper and pencil, and just take notes from Greg Olsen on analytics and next gen stats. Before we do that, we are brought to you by the number one sportsbook in America, the Fanduels Sports Book, Ladies and gentlemen. As of today, Fanduels officially live in the beautiful state of Mississiska, the show Me State. That means all of you in Missouri can finally lock in with the rest of us every Thursday night for the rest of the season with Fanduels Thursday Night Football Touchdown Jackpot. You guys know the drill. Just place an anytime touchdown score bet using your profit boost and if your player scores the first or last touchdown of the game, you'll earn a share of two million dollars in bonus bets. Big game this week, Cowboys Lions will be sharing our picks on social You can tail it, you can make your own bets, cook you up some of your own stuff. Just had the fangel dot com slash bustin to download the app and get started. FanDuel an official sportsbook partner of the NFL and now live in Missouri. Greg, Welcome to the show, bro.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this day since your tweet the other day. So I'm ready. I'm ready to battle.

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Speaker 3: What was your tweet the other day?

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Speaker 1: So? Greg was breaking down the fish just keep it instead of I sided with JJ Watt. JJ Watt was got in the comments. Greg was breaking down why you go for two when you're the Philadelphia Eagles down nine with like three and some change or four minutes left on the clock. Greg was battle and he was out on the front Line's John snow anybody who was ready for war. He was ready to take the analytical war to everybody the modern day football game that's being played. And JJ chimes in under one of his tweets saying that he completely understands GREG from an analytics standpoint, but from basically like a human psychology, the momentum and unquantifiable thing in football. As players, when you're on the sideline, you don't get the two point conversion, and then you're just deflated, thinking, well, this pretty much isn't gonna happen. Versus if you kick the field goal and you're down eight points. In your mind, we're down one possession. We're down one possession. Defense, we get the ball back three and out. We got to get our offense the ball back. We can go down and tie this football game by getting a two point conversion. JJ was basically saying that I go up under JJ, like, JJ, welcome to the war against analytics. And here's a guy that they all love to read that is essentially their bible. And it was a meme of you know, like this, this this male laying on the bed looking kind of you know, kind of looking at it, you kind of look at us, and it was a guide to anal and then I dashed it with lytics, so analytics, and that was you know, I was just getting in. I was getting in the troll game with Greg JJ just kind of sitting back like a whole Greg because every week he comes on breaking down a new situation.

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Speaker 3: So great, did you respond to this?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I went today is my response?

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Speaker 3: Okay, good, so you let it say you let it simmer.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you let it simmer. I felt like it for him. Yeah, this is a better forum than he argued more.

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Speaker 1: With the Emmanuel on Twitter. Seems waiting waiting for this show to argue.

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Speaker 2: Watcho. He piggybacked on it too, and gave his whole take about momentum and feelings and confidence and all the nonsense that we all get thrown down our face for the last twenty years in football, which actually means jack Ship.

00:03:35
Speaker 1: Hold on now, easy.

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Speaker 3: If you're in a game and your defense is playing good or bad? Does that is that the right?

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Speaker 2: At this for a minute, Let's about a minute. So let's just take that Friday's game, because that was the game that obviously spurred all of this. Just this sequence of events. You tell me when the momentum was in whose favor? Okay? They go on a twelfth play eighty yard drive with three and change left, twelve plays eighty yards for anyone to watch that game. That offense was very hot and cold, up and down. They find their rhythm and they go on a twelve play eighty yard drive. Who had the momentum?

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Speaker 1: Eagles?

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Speaker 2: They went for two and what happened?

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Speaker 1: They did not get it?

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Speaker 2: So who had the momentum? Tell me why the momentum ended? I've been told the defense is reeling. You just had a great drive. The defense is tired, the defense is confused, the defense is on their heels, all the things that people tell us why they fail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: But if they it's a very simple.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's the simple A twelve play eighty yard drive and your methodical you're bad, then you have a good And it's kind of going back and forth. A lot is a lot of argument to be like, hey, this defense has been on the field for a very long time. Anytime you can get a defense tired, now's your time to strike. So why not go for two in the situation when you.

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Speaker 1: Want you don't get the two?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: All low? Now it goes back to basically, your chance of winning is now, you know, as close to zero as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you guys, but if you kick point, it becomes nine, but you're forgetting the point that the idea was it could be seven. Right, So everyone talks about, oh my god, you made your team down nine. Nick Sirianni didn't look at the clock and say, you know, three minutes, I want to be down nine. He looked at the clock and said I want to be down seven. So everyone leaves that part of the equation out, and then all of a sudden we flip it and we go, well, if you were down eight, if you kick the extra point to be down eight, and you do get the ball back because your defense is so motivated, then it's a foregone conclusion that it's a one score game, even though we just saw a team three minutes ago try to score eight points in one possession and didn't get it. So when you do it first, the assumption is you're gonna fail and it's gonna be nine. But when you do it last, the assumption is you're gonna get eight and make it zero. It's just it's just nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I understand it's like, but I could be down seven. However, if I'm if I were to ask you, if there's three and some change, three minutes left on the clock. Would you rather be down eight or down nine? If you're about to be.

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Speaker 2: On that That's not the question I'd be I'd rather be down seven. The question you have to ask yourself. This was my Twitter messages for the last four days. The question is not would you rather be down nine or eight? The question is would you rather be down nine with the hope of being down seven? Or would you rather be down two with twenty five seconds left? If let's just give those two scenarios, would you rather be down nine with three twenty or down two with twenty seconds left? Both cases you're kicking off. What's better?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying in this scenario down to Bay.

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Speaker 2: Because I waited to kick the they waited to go for two. That's what everyone's telling me is the better option, And everyone always wants to say, oh my god, with three minutes, would you rather be down eight or nine? That's not the question. That's apples and oranges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have the opportunity rather be.

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Speaker 2: Down nine failed two point with three and a half minutes kicking off? Or would you rather be down two with under thirty seconds left, if not less kicking off down two?

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Speaker 3: Which would you rather, so I feel like just because I didn't watch this game.

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Speaker 2: No, but what would you rather be? That's the in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you're down two with thirty seconds left versus down nine kicking the ball off with three minutes, I'd rather be down nine with.

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Speaker 2: That's why you go for two first. That is the simplest phrase right there. That's why you do it.

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Speaker 3: But hold on. When we were talking about the Colts and the Chiefs game, we are talking about, you know, field position and win to strike and basically you want to end the game in six minutes with a win. And if you're in a position if you're so, mindus saying is this the Eagles score touchdown there to go there down nine, and so they could a pat they're down eight and they go for two to be down seven? Am I following this correctly?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay? How much time is on the clock when they have the opportunity to go for two?

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Speaker 2: Three, twenty three, ten, something like that.

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Speaker 3: If I'm the coach there, I'm kicking. I'm kicking the pat because your thought process is your do you have one of the best defenses in the NFL. If you have the ball last, then you worry about going for two later. By going for two and not getting two, you're eventually you're eventually saying the game is going to be decided right now, and by not getting it, you're right.

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Speaker 2: But explain to me the difference. So again, but this is the part that I just have a hard time getting people to understand. Everyone says, oh, once you didn't get it, the game was over. The final three minutes don't matter. If you play the next three minutes down eight and you get the ball and you fail the two point, the same two point play odds they're less than fifty percent, so you're gonna fail more than you succeed, right the find the game's over either way. Find the previous three minutes when you were so motivated and felt so optimistic. They meant nothing because you ended up failing the two point anyway.

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Speaker 1: But the difference, the difference is you don't know you're gonna fail when you're going for that two point conversion.

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Speaker 2: When did you guys play blackjack?

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Speaker 3: Yeah once in a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the answer to When you when you have a sixteen versus a dealer's ten, what do you do well?

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Speaker 3: The book says, the surrender but I.

00:09:39
Speaker 2: Hit, you hit?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Some people stay Yeah, and it kind of as someone who tries to play by the book, you look at them like, why would you do that? Why are they doing it?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no book. This is there are two completely different games because in a hand of blackjack, it's you put your money down, the cards are the cards, you win and you lose.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about the psychology of why do people stay on sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Because their hope is that there is a six or under that face card.

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Speaker 2: The hope is to delay the loss.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: They mentally feel like, I'm gonna stay in the game longer, and but my odds don't improve, they actually go down. But the psychology is I'm not gonna bust. I'm gonna make the dealer flip his second card over and continue to deal out in the hopes of it just bouncing my way and getting in essence, lucky. It's the exact same thing. We have a human condition where we want to delay.

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Speaker 3: I want to feel safe.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's insane. It doesn't make any.

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Speaker 1: There's zero motion in cards.

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Speaker 2: I think there's all I played last night. I'm in Vegas right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in you but I'm saying in the cards, Like in the cards, there's nothing. Those cards are dead. Like it's all analytics, it's all odds. It's all you know for you when you got the juice of all the players, like it could still we will never be in the world where'll be able to take a two point play that happens early and then compared to if they would have ran that same two point play at the end of the game, like, we'll never be able to reenact.

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Speaker 2: Is more likely to succeed.

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Speaker 1: I saw the grass, but it's only we're talking like a percentage point or two.

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Speaker 2: But that's all we're trying to do. The entire game is game percentage points, and NFL games a percentage point here or there throughout the course of one hundred and fifty plays. That's what every coach is doing. That's why people go for fourth downs, that's why people go for goal to goes. The entire game of the NFL right now is to is to gobble up as many little incremental advantages as humanly possible and hopes when they all add up to each other, it tips the scales in your favor. That's what all these close games come down to. That's all we're trying. We're not trying to gobble up twenty five percent wind share. You're trying to gobble up little bite sized pieces and do it multiple times and flip the game into my favor it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just but listen, when when you sit down with the coach before a game, they don't go, boys, we're playing a hard fifty seven minutes here. Now you're playing a hard sixty minutes. So if I'm a head coach and I am down by nine points, I could take the pat which makes it a one score game with three thirty left.

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Speaker 2: It's not a one score game.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 3: It is a one score game.

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Speaker 2: It's not a one score game. It's a I just tried to they just tried to score eight points.

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Speaker 3: It's a one possession game. It's is that better? It's not one possession is because now there is there's driving motivation involved with your defense. Sing if we get to go a ball back, we could win this last one and we can't win.

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Speaker 2: You can maybe tie, just so.

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Speaker 3: We're clear, okay, just you can maybe tie tie. You get the ball back, you get it, you score, then you you win the game. But I'm saying, if you have the opportunity to keep everybody in the game with time on your side, how many timeouts at the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: Saf they had three timeouts.

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Speaker 3: They had three timeouts plus the two minute warning and there's three thirty left in the clock. Versus a Bears defense that you know, they've been very hot, but from a series a series standpoint, they're hot and they're cold our defense, Hey, we're gonna have you guys stand up, Then you guys are gonna have with timeouts. You have a minute forty five maybe with one time out left, maybe no timeouts, to march down the field with weapons on the perimeter that you haven't utilized correctly, get in the field and score. Now there's they.

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Speaker 2: Just did that. They just went twelve yards.

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Speaker 5: They just went to play the ten.

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Speaker 3: Seconds in the game. You're down by two. Now you go for it with ten seconds left and you're deciding the game.

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Speaker 2: What happens if they failed.

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Speaker 3: If they failed, it's the same result as what we're talking about right now.

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Speaker 2: But if they don't, well know, the difference is you're on side kicking with ten seconds versus three and a half minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But the differences. You're also down by nine and you're on site kicking, and.

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Speaker 2: How what would you rather if you would rather start a simulation. I just asked, Will if you had to start a simulation, forget all that, forget how you got there. I'm telling you you're kicking off down nine with three and a half minutes or down two with ten seconds, and you have to step into that game. Which scenario are you picking?

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Speaker 3: Well, you're obviously going to take the three thirty, of.

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Speaker 2: Course you are, and that's why the scale tips to that decision making.

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Speaker 1: But if we don't need this samulation in.

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Speaker 2: Both scenarios, you have to assume in both scenarios you're going to fail the two point conversion.

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Speaker 3: I think there is a win to prolonging the decision of the game, if especially if you're playing from behind, if you go and you take seven.

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Speaker 2: But we know from thirty years of tracking is that it's just not true.

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Speaker 3: But it's all you're saying, you're fifty to do two point conversion. What's the percentage to do an onside kick? Fourteen percent?

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to do an on side kick. I'm not suggesting on sidekick. I'm suggesting that if I get the game to seven, if you succeed on either two point first or second, there is no on side kick. The goal is not to try to introduce the on side kick by going for two to go down seven. You kick the ball in the out of the end zone and you play defense. You're not on side kicking. The on side kick is only activated by a failed two point try. The question is how much time is on the clock when you fail. That's the entire argument. Do you want to be down nine? The first case scenario is you fail. Of course, the goal is to not fail, right, that's clear.

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Speaker 3: The argument seems to me is do you go for two on your second to last drive or your last drives?

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Speaker 2: That's the entire argument.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, But you're saying go for two on side you're putting time stamps on everything for me as a coach based.

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Speaker 2: On No I'm putting time. I'm just saying the only time you kick the on side kick, whether it's after the first or second touchdown, is only upon a failed two point play. The question is if you wait to the second one, your on side kick, even the five percent recovery rate, even if you get it, there's ten seconds left, the game's over.

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Speaker 3: But if you just kick the pat on that last drive of three thirty left and you're down by eight, you're giving yourself a chance. With the game on the line with ten seconds left, you.

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Speaker 1: Have three timeouts and you whether or not, all it takes is one possession to get you that eight point right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it gives you. Okay, if we don't get any on this call, I just want you guys to wrap your heads around. The entire internet to wrap their heads around. For a million years, we have been told that eight point games are one score games, and they are fundamentally not. They are one score games forty three percent of the time. That is the league wide average this year of a successful two point try forty three percent. So let's say the best team in the league is forty eight percent. Just for arguments, it's probably high, but let's just say the team it's below fifty. Right print For the most part, your odds of success are worse than your odds of failure. So to sit here, So let me ask you this. You're the offensive coordinator, You're down eight, and I give you the ball with two minutes and ten seconds left, So you can stop the clock one more time with the two minute warning. That's the best case scenario. Philly went out there, Run timeout, run timeout, run timeout, punt. You got the ball on the plus side of the two minute warning, on the minus thirty five, you're down eight. Tell me how you handle that possession. Do you score fast? Do you score slow? When are you trying to score? And how quickly talk me through that? If you have the ball down.

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Speaker 1: Eight, I'm scoring with one second left and then I'm going for two and we're going to get the two and we're going to go into ot.

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Speaker 2: So because you waited all of a sudden, your odds of success go up.

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Speaker 1: Well, it comes down to that last final moment. Everybody like this is then.

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Speaker 3: You get it about momentum too, You're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about hands on knees. Everybody just focused in, like this is it. We get this play. We going on ta now we're gonna take this team to deep water in overtime because we just scored the final fifteen points of this game and we got them right.

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Speaker 2: How you feel and I'll look at.

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Speaker 1: You, coach, g O kick this extra point. I'll get you that eight points here in a gay So again five years.

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Speaker 2: Over the last twenty five years, teams that have scored two consecutive touchdowns in the fourth quarter. So I'm not just talking like in the first quarter, meaningless, this so called pressure moment when everyone's so excited and motivation takes over and defenses are reeling and tired, all the nonsense that we're told, Let's just assume that's the situation we're in. Okay, in the last twenty five years of a team scoring consecutive fourth quarter touchdowns and then attempting a two point try, so this exact situation, the odds of converting that situation.

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Speaker 1: Go down.

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Speaker 2: So when the defense is at their worst and the defense is reeling and they're tired, and I'm motivated and the sideline is excited and all this stuff that everyone's saying is just powering our victory over twenty five years, the rate of success goes down.

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Speaker 1: What if I would have me and you were talking you're my head coach, and I just look at you and say, coach g O, I feel you. But in the last twenty five years, as there been a gentleman named Willie See with a headset on call and plays, and it's like, are you and then I'm like, hey, coach, coach, go, are you trying to quantify me with the metric right now? Are we going to go and trying to win this football game in ot.

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Speaker 2: No, Because if I'm the head coach and I'm doing my job, we discussed all these scenarios in team meeting for the last four months, and with second the situation comes up. Every single guy on the sideline knows exactly what we're going to do. Right There's no one sitting there going why are we going for two? I don't want to go for two? I want to kick. I want to kick. You want to go for two? Why are we doing this? And no one now if they're doing that, the coach should be fired. But the best coach is all of this is covered well in advance. Everyone is very clear on what the strategy is and not on game day in the heat of the moment. That's how the best teams run their teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, look, I understand everything you're saying. I oh shit, your quinin. I'm not quitting. Like I'm still like to me, he asks a question, He's like, forget everything else, I want to give you a two option simulation for me. I'm just asking myself, do I want to be down nine with three and change left? Or do I want to be down eight with three and change left?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And THEO can't say you want to be down nine without leaving without the sure it's.

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Speaker 1: Like correct, correct, I would.

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Speaker 2: But everyone leaves that part out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, the okay, down down nine with the potential to be down seven, or do we kick this extra point and just be down on eight with three and change left? Me like, it's like the data and all the graphs you're posting and there's only the success rates and everything else with the whether it's third down or getting.

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Speaker 2: In response to me being told that the defense is all of a sudden just gonna quit down nine, which is absurd.

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Speaker 1: Right, which I allowed data to let me know. Okay, well, the momentum thing might not be as real as you were thinking. But for me, it's like if we're off just by a couple percentage points here, it's not like it's it's end all, be all that this is. This is not even a debate, not even an argument, like and if we're going through that situation well in advance as a head coach and we end up losing that game and I have a tweet that comes out, just be like I tried telling Coach g Oh, just don't be surprised if there's a lot of backlash.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the bottom line. So let's summarize this and we can move on. The number one preventor of teams making correct decisions that are actually in the favor of their team is one hundred percent fear of the postgame press conference. Yeah, it is a much easier world to defend your point than mine because we've been conditioned for thirty years about one score and emotion and momentum, and we've just been beaten over the head with it for thirty years. We had it done to us as players. We're going to stop the run, We're going to run the ball. We it's like brainwash, right, It's like it's.

00:22:28
Speaker 1: It's a poison.

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Speaker 2: It's the way we've been taught for forty years. It's very hard to shift that to what the top teams are doing, which is managing the game with these factors being decision making points. So to stand there at the end of the podium after I failed a two point play with seven seconds left, as opposed to failing the two point play with three and a half minutes. Even though we know that albeit small improvement, my win percentage and opportunity to win is actually greater doing with Sirianni did the postgame press conference if he fails with ten seconds left, and they go, man, we gave it our best shot. The messages, our guys really competed hard, We really bought into the end. We strive on fighting. We never gave up all this arbitrary nonsense, and they go, yeah, the players have to be better. The players didn't execute a coach, You were great.

00:23:24
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. That's a very fascinating angle. I've never thought of it like that.

00:23:28
Speaker 2: It's the only angle. You think it's not hard for Dan Campbell to stand up there in the press conference when he goes zero for three on fourth down to lose a playoff game. Of course it is, and most coaches are not as strong as Dan Campbell just stand up there and go it breats my guts out. I hate it for our players, but if it happened again tomorrow, I would do it again because I know in my heart this is the best way to win.

00:23:53
Speaker 3: Analytics, you know what just happened. You just got money balled.

00:23:57
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Brad pat I like I knew while I was walking into this dungeon of Greg Olsen, I knew he was going to lay it out perfectly for me.

00:24:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:24:07
Speaker 1: It's just there's times.

00:24:08
Speaker 2: Like when you tell people that crime in their city has gone down and the FBI data comes out and they go, yeah, but my house was robbed last week, so I don't think crime went down. It's like, well, what you experience, your one individual touch point, is not representative of reality. It might be your reality, it might be your but that's not the game we're playing where that's what's going on here, right, Like we all put so much value into the ups and the downs. There was a sequence in that Bear's Philadelphia game and again, you guys, tell me where the momentum stopped and started. So the Bears punted and no, I'm sorry, sod Eagles. So the Eagles went down and scored a touchdown. They went five plays ninety two yards and they scored a touchdown. They missed the extra point. Okay, so they had a great drive. They missed the extra point, which no one's even talking about in this decision to go for two? Is the guy already missed an extra point to make it ten to nine. They then go on defense. They intercept Caleb Williams, they get the ball back, so they went touchdown, missed extra point, defensive takeaway. Oh my god, we've got all the momentum. You know what happened on the next Philadelphia drive out They fumbled, So why did they lose all the momentum? They had all the momentum and they lost it, but then they got it back again, and then they lost it because it was never a factor. They had good plays, bad plays. It's a football game. We've all been there. Man, We're rolling and then a guy jumps off sides. Well, if we had all the momentum, why do you jump off sides? I don't know, because it's nothing. It feels comfortable for everybody to explain these phenomenons of ups and downs in momentum means I don't really know what's going on, and it just feels like that's what it is, and it just it doesn't impact the game? Am I saying in the minds of the guys, it doesn't matter. It of course matters. I would argue it's confidence the game. Why in that four possession sequence. Did they have momentum? Lose it? Have it, lose it, score, miss the field goal, I miss the extra point, take the ball away, fumble it back, then score, then miss the two point conversion. But I thought they had all the momentum.

00:26:34
Speaker 3: He's good, he's good, he's well spoken, he's well spoken. He has notes. Do you have notes? No, we don't have note for me.

00:26:40
Speaker 1: It's just it's the values in the percentages are high enough. Yet there isn't it so much of a gap to where I do think this is going to be continue to be an argument until this gap gets wider to where your twenty five years goes to the last forty years. The percentages are forty nine versus forty one, and not like you know, a couple percentage points.

00:26:58
Speaker 3: Can I ask a question, why do you hate? What's the difference if the percentages are low going for two in the second to last drive as opposed to the last drive, what's the big deal?

00:27:10
Speaker 2: The simplest way to put it is, I just and again it's not my opinion. I just understand that fifteen points is not a two possession game, and that eight points is not a one possession game. They could be it's depending on the success of the of the two point play, right, because I got to go eight and seven or seven and eight, and I have to go eight to get eight. But I know over this season, all of our the data is give at the high side as a coin flip. Some years it's a little bit lower, but it's usually between like forty and forty five, maybe as upwards of like forty eight percent. Let's just say it's somewhere in the forties. That means the likelihood of getting it and I know are less than the opportunity to get it. So if I treat an an eight point game as one possession and I let the game go all the way down and I fail, I have no hope. Not that an on side kick is an overly great option, it's just the only option. The only other option is to high five and walk off the field. So again, I'm not saying there's this like miraculous ability to extend the game, but I'd like to at least give myself the chance that the Cowboys had when they were down fifteen and they went for two, and they did recover the on side kick against Atlanta and they won. This exact situation years ago. So like, do people recover on side kicks at a high rate? No, but would you certainly have that in your back pocket with time remaining in the event you fail the two point conversion? The answer is yes, and I'd rather recover that on side kick with three minutes than three seconds. That's it. If you continue to operate that a two point play is a foe gone conclusion. Philadelphia just failed. If it was a foregone conclusion, they would have been down by seven. It's not a foregone conclusion that you're gonna get it. So this notion of we're gonna go play defense, we're down by eight and we're gonna go in and we're gonna force overtime, what makes you think I just watched you fail a two point conversion, So what three minutes later changes it. I mean, you might get it, but again we're talking a coin flip. You're gonna rest it on a literally a less than a coin flip. That's it. That's the entire argument that all of us are making, and no one can give me a reasonable stance that I would consider if someone said, hey, actually, Greg, this is why I'd be like, Okay, I get that. But the only argument is, we're gonna just pretend we're in this game for three minutes longer. And I would say, if you end up going for two with ten seconds left down eight and you score and you fail, those previous three minutes of hope were just as meaningless as the three the final three minutes when you failed. Those three minutes of time, whether it's before you inevitably missed the two point conversion or after you missed the two point conversion, they're all meaningless minutes just because you feel optimism is irrelevant, thinks.

00:30:25
Speaker 1: It's good optimism. Like it's almost like if you missed the two point early, it's more anger that you feel, versus if you missed the two point late. I feel like it's more sadness, and it is the two point.

00:30:36
Speaker 3: But sadness you have the ability to keep a team together longer. Yeah, as opposed to anger. You miss it said god, we suck, why could we not hit this play? And then if you miss it on the last one, you're like, damn, we were so close, and Greg by your logic, I look at all of these games and it's like, Okay, it was meaningless for the Saints to play this weekend against the Dolphins. I mean, there was ane kick in that game. They scored seventeen points, but Dolphins scored twenty one. So the cell full sixty minutes is now meaningless. Bucks beat the Cardinals twenty seventeen, so the Cardinals.

00:31:05
Speaker 2: Fin is the game meaningless.

00:31:06
Speaker 1: I'm confused because.

00:31:08
Speaker 3: You're saying that these three minutes are meaningless because you just prolong the inevitable pain. By all these teams Lee losing were essentially prolonging their inevitable pain. So if we just if we go for two early, it turns into why are we doing that as opposed to doing the same thing late, regardless to the same result.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: It's I'm not making I'm not making the argument that the final the biggest argument that everyone makes. You guys are making it today is if you fail with three minutes to go after the first touchdown when you're trying to make it seven and then as a rult it's nine. At that moment, Will said, you fight for sixty minutes, not fifty seven. You guys are making the argument that the final three minutes of the game become meaningless because of the early failed two point play. I'm just suggesting they're meaningless even if you don't get the two point play at the end of the game. So that's just the argument that's being used against this these other scenarios. Listen for the Minnesota Vikings. The game I called yesterday. Once Seattle went up three to nothing, the game was over. It was me winning twenty six nothing. It didn't matter. There was at no point did it look like they were going to score point. So again, I'm not sitting here saying that teams shouldn't play and teams shouldn't compete. Of course they should. I'm just making the argument in response to what's been thrown at me. It's like, you ended the game with three and a half minutes by failing the two point play, and I'm like, a three and a half minutes that are meaningless. It's still depending on a two point try. You might as well figure it out sooner than later.

00:32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's all. Okay, understand you do a good job.

00:32:40
Speaker 1: Each week. I feel like I get to learn something new with you because I saw another gentleman he quote tweeted you like this is why you are who you are and your job and your seat I do. I think you do a great job breaking this stuff down because I've always not always, but kind of been like a pushback against the analytics stuff because there's just anti analytics, not fully anti analytics, like I get, you know, like going for two when you're down fourteen or whatever it is and you're down ten and you score, It's like, okay, you got to go for two. Here, I wrap my head around that, like going forward on fourth down. I'm beginning to wrap my head all around all these scenarios. I'm going forward on fourth down. I've been a slow burn on the analytics. I've been more of the angry old white that's like, that's not how you do it. Like I want to play. You got Jalen Carter, you got Zach Bawd, Like you play defense. Yeah, defensive mindset, but it's a mindset. But but we'll all to give you the I'm not debating any of that, Listen, I know you're not debating that. I'm trying to give you a compliment right now, and I just.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: Want to say you have a job attitude and all that. It matters, yes, yes, but it's not going to make you more or less inclined to I guess my take.

00:33:47
Speaker 1: Is think of us all on the sideline, like you kick the extra point, go down eight. We're all on the same team together. It's like we're staring at each other and it's like, get us the ball back, like you took.

00:33:56
Speaker 2: The will if you took the I don't believe you, JJ Watt, the Eagles. These I just have a hard time believing. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe I have a high opinion of you guys. I just have a very hard time believing that you guys kicked that extra point down eight, and you take that field with piss coming out of ero and you're just fucking ripping to go play defense, and all of a sudden it's nine and you say I quit.

00:34:29
Speaker 1: No, you're You're a spot on with that, So you are spot That's hard.

00:34:34
Speaker 2: I don't think J. Watt plays any less hard. I don't think you're playing less hard. I don't think the Eagles are competing less. I think you guys are professional football players, and whether you're down seven, eight, nine, twenty, the expectation is you're gonna play your ass off. Yes, So looking at your teammate in the eyes and going we've got a shot, let's go win one for the Gipper, I think it's just nonsense.

00:35:00
Speaker 1: I guess it's more of just the optimism and hope that is there when you're down eight points.

00:35:04
Speaker 2: Hope is not a strategy.

00:35:06
Speaker 6: Oh that was a good way, Greg.

00:35:08
Speaker 1: That's why did I love having you on every week? Man?

00:35:12
Speaker 2: Why did why when Washington won the toss last night?

00:35:14
Speaker 1: Did they go on defense so they could have the ball last and go for two? Of course, and they had the perfect play dialed up Bro on that running back when he motions when he motioned from outside, and I saw that they weren't in a full cluster. The receivers weren't in a true bunch, but close enough together. Or I'm like, I'm looking at the I'm looking at the Denver defense and be like, man, a lot of guys are on the same level right now.

00:35:40
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:35:40
Speaker 1: They run this pick play with the running back to the flat like this is gonna be wide, dude. Once the running back takes off, I'm like, oh god, they got it. I see Oh buddy, I think Defonga running to run into one of his defensive players. They had it, Bro, and then Nick Benito just bats the ball down. They had the perfect play executed.

00:35:58
Speaker 2: Yes, but they had already made up their mind that they were going to go for two. They wanted to know what they needed. So the big argument is no different than the argument we just had. You want as much information as early as possible to impact your decision making, and whether that's having the ball second in overtime or knowing when I need an on side kick or not, or knowing how many points I need, how many possessions I need. The entire gist of all of this is to control as many variables as humanly possible. That's the bottom line, and that's why people use the data.

00:36:34
Speaker 1: That's the end of the clip right there. That's a that's a that's a go, because I'll still have questions each and every week when something happens.

00:36:41
Speaker 2: In Vegas at eight am, because I couldn't wait to talk.

00:36:43
Speaker 1: To you guys. But now, but now pre will where I was more anti analytics is gonna be I'm totally right about this. It's more anger. And then there's going to be a part of me that's like, wait till we get Greg gone and he can break this down a little bit more for me.

00:36:56
Speaker 2: Five years ago, if you went for two down fifteen, I mean, if you ten years ago, if you went for two down fourteen after your first touchdown to make it six, you would have been thrown off a bridge. That was so bizarre to anyone. What do you mean you're down seven and seven and you play for overtime? Why would you ever take it now? You're gonna now if people don't go for two after the first touchdown to try to make it six, people are like baffled.

00:37:25
Speaker 1: It takes took in that right there. That's gonna take a lot of time for your boy, Willie here, like, I'm thinking, okay, if you're gonna go for two, you could just go for two at the end of the game. When you when you're sitting there, it's like, are they gonna tie it up with the final extra point? Are they gonna go for two and try to win?

00:37:38
Speaker 2: What's more likely to convert a two point play going one for one or one for two.

00:37:44
Speaker 3: That's not that's so you're arguing, he said. Will is just saying, when am I gonna go for two? And the answer to will is, I'm gonna go.

00:37:51
Speaker 1: And we're down fourteen, we score a touchdown, you're gonna see Willie boy comfortably safely kick the extra point.

00:37:57
Speaker 2: But I'm asking you, let's say I go Let's well, my point it that's my whole point of all this. The fourteen one is so easy because if I go for two and if I have to get a two point conversion. Am I more likely to get a two point conversion going one for one, which is your scenario, or just one for two, which is do it first? If I fail, I'll do it again and tie the game. Am I more likely to go one for two or one for one.

00:38:22
Speaker 1: One for two? Yeah, You're more likely to go one for two.

00:38:25
Speaker 3: That's a great point, Greg, That is that that's a point you make because I'm kind of sit with you on that being like Europe.

00:38:30
Speaker 2: Well, that's why you don't do it at the last one, right. If the goal is to win the game, which.

00:38:35
Speaker 1: Is I'm still doing all of these, I'm going one for one in my percentage going to be one hundred percent.

00:38:40
Speaker 3: Hell yeah you are, like yeah, because.

00:38:45
Speaker 1: You fail the first one, then the best you could do is tie the game.

00:38:49
Speaker 3: Greg. This is an example of Will being out of the game very long. Like when Will was playing, there wasn't this, you know, forty to forty No matter what we go for a fourth down. That's kind of like the norm in the NFL, Like you get in the middle part of the field, you go for it, and fourth down. When we were playing that was take a delay a game punt that was that was more of the strategy. It's really been in the last three four years that this go for the fourth down thing has really changed the game in a lot of ways. I think it was Campbell and Quinn who were kind of like steam headed that whole entire thing.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the early adopters.

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00:40:56
Speaker 2: How about the Panthers yesterday? Yeah, insane, like win that game if they don't throw two fourth down touchdown passes in a game. They ran it forty something times. But why they win the game. They didn't win the game because they went forty for one to sixty. They won the game because they used fourth down and Bryce Young threw three touchdowns.

00:41:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:41:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's great. That's great. That's that's that's great.

00:41:20
Speaker 3: If it's forty, that's great.

00:41:21
Speaker 1: Going after you, Yeah, forty times running the ball.

00:41:24
Speaker 3: Here's why those plays worked better throwing those touchdowns is you're running the ball effectively. Fourth and one, they got everybody out there because they've got dab all in the backfield. Now we're playing a little press. We can get behind that that secondary. So thank god they're ran the ball forty times for one second, thank god, thank god. And I appreciate you bringing that up because it's all about gathering as much information as you possibly can to make the right decision right greg correct by running the ball effectively.

00:41:49
Speaker 2: They should have just they should have kicked more field goals.

00:41:53
Speaker 1: Hey, you got the you got the Panthers coming out of the South. Panther's been playing some good ball man, that defense picking.

00:41:59
Speaker 2: On the buff twice over, so they have a buy this week. And they got four games left, so they got a tough stretch. They got Tampa twice post by, They've got the Seahawks at home, who are a wagon and I don't remember who their fourth game is, but three of their final four games are real, So I mean they control their destiny. I mean they can. They can get those Bucks games. Again, no one gave them a chance against the Rams. You know, you wouldn't think the Seahawks going in there with how well we've seen them play, especially that defense. But again, no one gave them a shot yesterday against the Rams, and two weeks ago we just saw the Rams beat the Seahawks. So again, if you can turn the ball over and you can generate explosive plays, and to Canalys's credit, use every single down to pull off an upset.

00:42:46
Speaker 6: We've seen in the.

00:42:47
Speaker 2: NFL that that works, right, Like Stafford hadn't thrown a pick, and like what felt like ten years, he throws a red zone pick and then on the next drive he throws a pick six. So like that's what's funny about the game of football. Is like, yeah, on paper, if they play each other, the Rams probably win seven to ten. But you don't play best as seven series in football. You play once.

00:43:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that defense is salty man picking off Stafford's who hasn't down an interception I don't know how long.

00:43:14
Speaker 2: And they did it without arguably their two best players. Trayvon Mahra got suspended because he punched John Jennings and the balls after Monday night's game and J. C. Horn was out.

00:43:24
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

00:43:25
Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, that fourth game for the Panthers is the Saints.

00:43:29
Speaker 1: Okay, So and again though you've beat you've beat the Rams, you go into Green Bay, you beat Green Bay. Like this team can beat anybody.

00:43:38
Speaker 2: Right, they've beaten the Cowboys. They have beaten the Cowboys.

00:43:42
Speaker 1: That was pre trade, pre trade Cowboys.

00:43:45
Speaker 2: Still they've beaten the Cowboys, the Packers, and the Rams, and they've lost to the Saints. Saints games, what's killing them?

00:43:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is just crazy to see that Bryce Young his story line, he gets benched, comes back, now he's playing at a high level. Well, they're gonna pay him. They're gonna pay him, break him off.

00:44:07
Speaker 1: What do you think? What are you making of the East Cowboys winning the last two big games? Eagles, the Chiefs. Philly's dropped with the last two weeks. Yeah, I think it's been two. I know we had a long Thanksgiving break. Phillies dropped the last two. We're not like a game and a half off because Cowboy Dallas has that tie, Like, do you in your head, is there a world that you're buying and believing that the Dallas Cowboys can win the NFC East?

00:44:35
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean I wouldn't bet on it. I still think for all the issues that Philadelphia has, I still think their roster is better. I think they have the pedigree. I think they they they have the dudes, they have the defense, they have the obviously the offense has some problems, but they still have just playmakers that can beat you even if the scheme, even if the situation is not perfect. At the end of the day, especially the playoffs, like talent matters, talent wins. So I again, if you made me pick one or the other right now, I'd still probably pick Philadelphia. But for weeks now I've been saying, if Dallas could just figure out a way to just get middle of the pack on defense, Yeah, I don't know if they're ever going to be a top ten unit. They're not there yet. They've got a lot of draft picks, they've got some time over the the next couple seasons to try to improve the defense. But with pickings and CD and DAK and the healthy offensive line and their ability to score points, especially in the passing game, if that defense can just hold, serve and not give up thirty they were averaging thirty one, giving up thirty two at one point in the season, and you say, oh my god, just be middle of the road. Give up twenty five, right, Like we're not saying you got to be the Seahawks and give up ten, but like, give up mid to low twenties and we're gonna win a lot of games. That's kind of post bye week, post trades, that's kind of what they've become. And as you can see, they're a whole different animal. When they're not just chasing thirty points every game, make teams chase them. That's when Dallas has been their best in years past. They've built a defense that can play with a lead. They've built a defense that defends the pass because their offense scores so much and all of a sudden they're run defense and all of a sudden, the rush attempts and all of that doesn't matter because you're not going to be able to score thirty plus against Dallas when their offense is rolling operating in a very conservative approach. Right, So last year when Dak is out and all hell breaks lose, the defense gets run through. Micaeh Parsons is no factor. Digs in Bland are both hurt and not productive because they're not defending the passing game and their defense goes to shit. It's all connected to the offense. So if they can just get to baseline, I don't want.

00:46:48
Speaker 1: To play Dallas, right, and they're getting healthy two on defense. Yeah, with Hooker coming back. You know, this is a couple of weeks ago after that trade have but the trade looks good, man.

00:46:56
Speaker 3: Yea Quinn Williams is playing, He's like elevated that defense.

00:46:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quinn Williams. You got Logan Wilson that week. They brought him over him and Kenneth Murray's rotating on every series there there was a linebacker. Like when those competitions are happening and the cream is rising to the top, Like you just see the communication from the back with the back seven, the communication with the defensive line just you can tell they're running around hungry, and it's been like, it's been fun to watch. Dallas has been fun to watch lately since those trades have happened.

00:47:25
Speaker 3: Well, anytime you have a insane he doesn't try and he's just doing he could if he gave.

00:47:33
Speaker 2: I'm convinced you can tell the entire stadium that he's running a slant route on third or fourth down and it does not matter. They're gonna throw the ball to him and he's gonna catch it.

00:47:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ie, He's unbelievable. If someone just said, hey, George, if you give one hundred percent effort, you'll be the greatest to ever do it. And I believe if you just take that, if you could just take that advice, because what's George's thinking? Man, It's like lack of effort on some play here and there. He's a bit of a cancer and stealing is the way they got rid of him. And now it's like he's in a contract here and everyone's like, Yo, this is the dude. My fear is my biggest fear for the Cowboys is they're gonna break him off and he's gonna shut it down because he has based on his track record, he's a guy that can do that.

00:48:18
Speaker 1: No, I don't which it could happen, but why can't we just enjoy the moment?

00:48:22
Speaker 3: Enjoyed the moment. I'm just saying, Hey, we're on the titank. There might be an iceberg ahead of us. You guys just want to pay attention. I was like, fuck it, dude, we're gonna have fun in this ball, right.

00:48:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep saying all down, throttle down.

00:48:33
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:48:35
Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I think that's everybody's biggest issue. And again, you start paying multiple receivers. Dat's already making sixty million. You'd got two corners that are at the top and Bland and digs. There's only so much money to go around. Obviously one of the reasons they didn't resign Micah. But I would also say, when you talk about George Pickens and you look back at his time in Pittsburgh. At some point we have to start asking, is the drama Offensively created in Pittsburgh? Yeah, because he's gone and Aaron Rodgers he's doing interviews yesterday, where the assumption is like, guys aren't coming to meetings, guys are running the wrong routes, guys are not doing what they're told, Guys are missing. So like, was the chaos Offensively in Pittsburgh was that Pickens's fault or was that just Pittsburgh?

00:49:20
Speaker 3: Dude, You're You're not wrong with that assumption at all, because I feel like for the last couple of years it's been like, hey, the marriage between Pittsburgh and Tomlin, although it was so great at one point, it feels like it's getting steel. The relationship needs a little kickup. And seeing the way it's at and how they've kind of produced the last couple of years where they really can't find an answer and their defense. They have one hundred and seventy nine million dollars invested in that defense and they're just not producing the way they should. It feels to me that like we're headed towards you know that Black Monday or whatever it is at the end of the year when the Steelers don't make the playoffs, that Tomlin is not the head coach of Steelers and he ends up becoming, you know, the Giants.

00:49:58
Speaker 1: Or if they do make the playoffs by just one game, because that seems to be the situation they are in absolutely every year, year in and year out. They have the highest paid defense. You got the pieces on defense. Offensively, it's like you go out, you get DK you got Aaron Rodgers, Like all they've needed is a quarterback. And now you're still in the same spot again with and at one point when the Ravens are one and five and they're still favored to win the division and all the sports books like you have such a such a multiple game lead over everybody in the division, and then to kind of soil it. Now we're sitting here, you're tied with Baltimore. Joe Burrow's back slinging the rock around. The Bengals get back in this conversation and win the North by the by the end of the year, if and when those things happen, whether it's Baltimore or the Bengals, whatever the drama is, we will I think will be at that spot again to where it'll be Tomlin's going to be the topic of conversation because the same thing keeps happening year in and year out. And this year you had a best of a shot as anybody with Aaron Rodgers with that defense with like a four game lead on everybody.

00:51:03
Speaker 3: And if you look at the defense too, like none of those players are young, like TJ. Watt's been there for ten years, Cameron Hayward is the leader of your defense. He's been for thirteen fourteen years. Like, at some point there's gonna be turnover and it might be best for both situations for Tom Whin to get out, cause it's like you're gonna have a great legacy. You'renna be one of the best coaches to ever do it at a you know, a predominant franchise like the Pittsburgh Steelers. But once those players leave, if you can't do it one hundred and seventy nine million dollars invested, what's gonna happen?

00:51:32
Speaker 1: Then? Yeah, you get a bad losing season, don't get more.

00:51:35
Speaker 2: Were you guys having on from Ohio State? Is it Ryan Day?

00:51:38
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:51:38
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, I'm out I'm saying, what's up?

00:51:42
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm not leaving.

00:51:44
Speaker 2: That's my guy.

00:51:46
Speaker 3: Is it really your right?

00:51:47
Speaker 2: I just bombarded your show. Sorry, you're good, bro, I gotta stay. That's my dude.

00:51:52
Speaker 3: Is it actually your dude?

00:51:54
Speaker 6: Oh?

00:51:54
Speaker 2: I've known Ryan for a long time.

00:51:55
Speaker 3: Now, okay, Well Ryan's not coming on.

00:51:58
Speaker 1: The show, yes is he?

00:52:00
Speaker 3: YEAHO states on here.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Day's coming on the show.

00:52:06
Speaker 3: He's coming up.

00:52:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:52:08
Speaker 3: No one told me Ryan Day's coming on the show.

00:52:09
Speaker 1: Ryan, Now, no, no, you're not getting punked. He had a cart up saying would you want Ryan Day one for Pumped for Cade and Pavia come on, and he goes, i'ms up or down?

00:52:20
Speaker 3: I just went okay, Well, I was actually gonna say to you, Greg, if you're actually boys with them, please send him my apologies because I said a lot of mean things and I was wrong. I was wrong.

00:52:28
Speaker 2: You guys are all wrong Day, we're all the man, and you Michigan guys got to get out of your own fucking way.

00:52:37
Speaker 1: You know what. Unfortunately I don't disagree with you, Ryan Day, friend of the show. We got to go out to a holl States sit down.

00:52:42
Speaker 2: True, I mean all the guy does is win virtually every game he coaches and the natty I mean, I mean, if that's what you're into in today's day and age, I guess that's fine. Is the goal to beat everyone? Yeah, I guess the goal is to win the national title.

00:52:56
Speaker 3: And I did not know that Ryan Dale was coming on the show.

00:53:00
Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm a little guys at Ohio State setting.

00:53:05
Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm actually like heart is elevated right now because I had no idea.

00:53:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, comes for everybody, doubt right.

00:53:18
Speaker 1: Hey, when when does Ryan Day come on eleven thirty? So we got some time? Another thing I want to uh get into with you, Greg, the NFC North do the Chicago Bears.

00:53:32
Speaker 3: Number one seed?

00:53:33
Speaker 1: I am weirdly just starting to like them, not in way everybody's like, will will please stay away from the Chicago Bears. We don't want your curses over in Chicago. Nebraska stucks, please stay on that side. I just want Bears fans to know I'm not trying to invade and be like I'm a Chicago Bears fan. I'm just saying from the outside watching everything that this city, this team has went through, all the question marks I was part of them with Cale Williams. But to just see that team, the way that they get excited after every game in that locker room, it just it's like you have fomo watching it as a former player of like, how much fun this team's happened, because again, they're still not bottom of the barrel, but they have question marks on defense, but they're very opportunistic. At the same time, Caleb Williams is he has a lot of inaccuracy issues, but the dude just continues to hang in the pocket and sling it. You see the creativity on offense. You see the belief in Ben Johnson, you see the fun that they're having, and the fact that they're sitting the top of the NFC North right now with the Detroit Lions, they might not make the playoffs. Like that's a real conversation that's happening right now with them being seven and five. I'm just I'm happy for the Bears. I'm excited for that fan base. They've been fun to watch.

00:54:36
Speaker 3: You said at the beginning of this year, we need these kids in Chicago and in the suburb of Chicago to wear something other than I'm Mike Dick a jersey. And fortunately for all those parents out there. Next year, these kids are gonna have their fingernails painted. They're gonna be wearing Caleb william jerseys. And that's exciting.

00:54:53
Speaker 1: And just Coach Johnson, they've just been what have you made of the NFC North, the surgeons of the Chicago Bears being a half a game back, like they're sitting there both at the top, Detroit seven to five.

00:55:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Bears. I think everyone knew when Ben Johnson got that job, he was the bell of the ball, right, He's the coach no matter what anyone tells you. Over the last couple hiring cycles, as happy as they were to get whoever they hired, everybody wanted Ben Johnson, and then hired whoever they hired as a secondary third, you know, so on and so forth, he decided he's very picky. He ends up taking the job in Chicago this year, and I think that said a lot about what he viewed the roster, how he viewed Caleb Williams, how he felt they were built going forward. I think the expectation was that he was going to turn it around. We had them in the preseason game. We had their preseason game against Buffalo, a million year, you know, a million months ago, back in August, and there was a lot of optimism, a lot of hope, but there was also some reality, like, we got some work to do, we got to turn this thing around. It's not gonna happen overnight. I think it's happened even faster than they all And if they were being honest, like I think they thought they'd turned around, but I don't think they thought they'd turn it around this quickly that they'd be literally sitting at the top of the division on the first day of December. You know, I think we for a while, said Rabels, the foregone conclusion for Coach of the Year if this thing continues to go the Ben Johnson turn around, the Rabel turnaround. I mean, there's a lot of really interesting Coach of the Year candidates, but I mean Shanahan, I mean the job that he's done there keeping that thing afloat. I think when it all comes down to the division, it's crazy that the Lions might not be in the division. It shows the power of replacing coordinators year in in, year out, which is a whole other conversation about why you hire offensive coordinators to be your head coach, because you don't lose Sean McVay, you don't lose Kyle Shanahan. You do lose Ben Johnson. Dan Campbell's now taken back over. You know, it's hard to replace coordinators year in in, year out. They're dealing with that right now. I do think green Bay's defense is better. I think green Bay has the best combination of defense and quarterback in the division. So I would still take green Bay right now as whoever ends up being the one, two, three, however it shakes out, if they played each other, I'd take green Bay. I think Jordan Love's a top five quarterback this year. I think he's really good. I think as they continue to give the offense more to him, they'll have even better results, kind of like we saw in Thanksgiving. And I think defensively, Jeff Hathley has done an unbelievable job. That defense is really good. So I think that combination. But yeah, I mean, you can't not be impressed with the job that Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams. They're fun to watch. They're exciting. He's great in the locker room, he's taking his shirt off. They're giving free hot dogs out Chicago, right now is on fire. This is what Chicago people live for. I was there my last season there. We made a playoff run. We lost in the NFC Championship to the Packers. We beat Seattle at home in the snow in the Divisional round. Like, there is no greater football city, especially when they're good than Chicago.

00:57:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, we could be looking at you know, these teams playing for a playoff spot at the end of the year. You got Chicago with Green Bay twice, Cincinnati and San Francisco, then Detroit, they played Dallas, the Rams, Pittsburgh and Minnesota, and then the last game of the year they face off.

00:58:10
Speaker 3: And it's so interesting that, like in early October or late October, we're kind of sitting there like all these teams are kind of figuring themselves out, and we kind of know who the cream that's rising the top is at this very moment. And then a month has gone by and the Bears are the one seed, the Pats are the one seed. The Jaguars just leapfrogged over the Colts in the South. Colts and Jags are tied with Jacks at the tiebreaker, and the Houston Texans are one game behind. It is there's so much relevant football about to take place in the month of December to where it's dude, really, it's actually so fucking exciting, do you see. I'll tell you how I feel, and I love each your opinion. I feel this skid from the Colts this late in the season is the worst possible situation, and they're going to find themselves third place in the AFC South. It's it's always with the teams that are gaining traction and momentum as a season goes on, as opposed to super hot starts, because more oftentimes than not, like we saw with the Eagles a couple of years, you see a really hot start and then that absolute plummet nosedive at the end of the year, maybe limp yourself away into the playoffs, and then you're out after the wildcard round. I see that happening with the Colts, and I actually see the Houston Texans with that defense. I see them winning the South.

00:59:24
Speaker 2: Love that Houston Texans defense is insane, credible. I mean what they did to Josh Allen in Buffalo a couple weeks ago was I mean, what they sacked him eight times. He's virtually impossible to sack let alone eight times.

00:59:38
Speaker 3: Sack zero times his last game.

00:59:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's I mean, obviously he's incredible. I think that Houston Texans front is incredible. Tamiko Ryans that culture, their offense scares me. I just I don't ever see them now. I haven't studied them. I haven't had them this year.

00:59:54
Speaker 1: So this is all.

00:59:55
Speaker 2: He's just like a fan watching in secondary game, crossover film and whatnot. But I just haven't seen an offense that I go okay on any given day. If they gotta score high twenties and they got to score thirty, like, can they do that reasonable without strip sacks, without pick sixes? Like can they just play in a neutral game and do enough that the defense doesn't have to hold people to fifteen seventeen. You're gonna play some really good offenses and at some point you can't just beat everybody because you hold them under twenty. So I think that's gonna be the case big picture wise for Houston. But yeah, I mean, who would have ever thought that the Patriots would be the number one seed as we sit here in December and the Bears would be in the NFCL. It's just that's what makes the game so fun. That's what makes the NFL king. Is unlike the other sports where you could pretty much throw a couple teams into a hat and know those are gonna be the teams when the season ends. What's king about football? What's the best part about football is outside of a couple teams that are perennially bad, virtually everybody has a realistic chance. And if you're bad one year, the league is set up for you to get better quickly. That is the entire motive of every decision, from how they do schedules, to how they do draft order, to how they do a waiver you know, the waiver wire pre trade deadline, of inverting the teams like it is built to not sustain winning and is built to not sustain losing. And I think that is what gives all these fan bases the optimism going into each year that I'm alive until I'm not and that's what makes the game fun.

01:01:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, hearing you say this league is not built to sustained winning it and not sustained losing. We have to take a look at the tens of Titans and realize their level of consistency that they have losing as much as they do should be awarded. It should be we should appreciate that because not a lot of teams can have back to back first overall picks, and I think that's something that we need to look at.

01:01:52
Speaker 2: Huh, it's it's it's almost hard to do right, right, I mean right. The league is literally designed to not have that happen. So the teams, the organizations that find themselves on either side. Obviously, the high side is the legendary teams and the legendary coaches and quarterbacks and all that. But then on the flip side, you have to look as an organization and say, obviously, there's something flawed about our decision making. We're not hiring the right guys. We're not drafting the right guys. Although I do think cam Ward's good, there's something broken down about our process that no matter how many opportunities, no matter how many fourth place schedules we play, no matter how many high draft picks we get, no matter how many coaches we fire and hire, we are the same every single year. Regardless of those moves. There's institutional issues at play that until they get fixed, the results are not going to change. You can hire whoever you want.

01:02:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, especially with the quarterback play too in the AFC, it's just again, week after week, it's like Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, who's going to earn their way into the Super Bowl this year? And right now where everybody's position, it's who's going to make the wild card?

01:03:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're facing the guys you just brought up with. I think is a really interesting larger conversation around the NFL that people have to start having, is you talk about all these quarterbacks that are making sixty million plus. There's a lot of warts on those rosters, right, there's a lot of you know, you look at Buffalo, you know they're they're they're making magic, but it looks very different right over the receivers, what's their skill? Look like their defense? They're kind of piecing it together. And I think mcdermot's a really good coach, and you got the best player in the league and you make you kind of overcome it.

01:03:39
Speaker 7: Right.

01:03:39
Speaker 2: That's why you pay Josh Allen whatever it costs, because he's going to make up for whatever roster deficiencies that you have. But you start looking around the league. What do the best teams have? Right, you start looking at right, just take this year, who are the best teams and what's their quarterback situation?

01:03:55
Speaker 4: Right?

01:03:55
Speaker 1: You have.

01:04:00
Speaker 2: You have guys like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield that are making thirty million a year. It's half the market, right, it's fifty percent of the market. Now Stafford makes a bazillion, and obviously he's earning it. And why what's the difference? Virtually everyone else on the team is on a rookie.

01:04:14
Speaker 1: Contract, right, yeah? The line, Yeah, if you're.

01:04:17
Speaker 2: Gonna pay your quarterback a bazillion, you better be an incredible drafter. And then if you're paying your quarterback nothing, if you draft and sign great free agents because you have all this excess capital, you build great rosters. So it's starting to say, if you're gonna tie up such a huge percentage in your quarterback and make them high level, if you are not incredible drafters of young, cheap talent, it's gonna be really hard. You're gonna be good just because you have a great quarterback, But are you gonna win the Super Bowl?

01:04:47
Speaker 4: Right?

01:04:47
Speaker 3: Right?

01:04:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a.

01:04:50
Speaker 2: Lot of high priced quarterbacks that are on the outside looking in.

01:04:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think there's a change there. You're trying to say that some of these quarterbacks, No, it might not be on their team next year, you.

01:05:00
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Like they're on the outside of the playoffs looking.

01:05:02
Speaker 3: In, right, Yeah. Yeah, and because of that result, does something happened?

01:05:06
Speaker 1: Yeah?

01:05:07
Speaker 2: I just don't know how you get out of some of these contracts. That's true, the dead money cap hits. Again, I haven't studied them all, but like I have to imagine some of that guaranteed money gets expedited by a trade or a cut or whatever, and it accelerates forward. You're gonna be carrying dead cap money. I can only imagine how big those numbers are.

01:05:23
Speaker 3: The Broncos are still paying Russell Wilson right now, still paying him his dead cap money. Oh really from that trade, I believe.

01:05:31
Speaker 1: So.

01:05:31
Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely need to get fact checks on that.

01:05:32
Speaker 2: Lingers for a long time because they I mean, they gave him that new deal and it only lasted one.

01:05:36
Speaker 8: Season, right, right, and he had multiple years of guaranteed Yeah, we got a fun December getting lined up, and then it seems like it could be an interesting offseason with restructuring of kind of like you look at Dallas like they're gonna have to do something with dex contract.

01:05:49
Speaker 1: So that way, if you're going to try and pay George Pickens and keep this roster, you know, the trades you made with Williams, you got Kenny Clark like guys that are just gonna have to You're able to figure out the cap situation because there were like have any something million?

01:06:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a chef that was saying they're about seventy million over the cap right now, and so you have to redo Dak there's sixty you're still ten under the cap, and you want to resign Quinnon, you want to re sign George Pickens. You've got to go get players to make your defense better. So they're in a very unique situation. The good news is the Cowboys have a shitload of money. Yeah, they're they're very they're cash rich franchise as opposed to the Titans or the Bengals. Bengals we barely talked about them, but Joey Bee coming back beating up on the Ravens, like, are they going to be a team that can maybe sneak themselves in Why not every year in December?

01:06:39
Speaker 2: Do you really I got Bengals Buffalo in Buffalo on Sunday.

01:06:43
Speaker 3: That's going to be an awesome game.

01:06:45
Speaker 2: Burrow, It's supposed to snow twenty degrees snow, burrowvers Allan. I mean, I know the record of Cincinnati is not great, but I mean, you get those two guys playing a December game in Buffalo, and that's that's amazing television.

01:06:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. Matically, it's an absolutely must win for the Bengals. As far as player, what.

01:07:03
Speaker 2: Is the Bengals, I'll be honest, I haven't dove into it yet. What is the Bengals still have a realistic chance.

01:07:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Baltimore and Pittsburgh are both six and six and the Bengals are four and eight. So two games back Baltimore and the Ravens, they both play each other twice in December. Baltimore's got Cincinnati, New England, and Green Bay outside of playing the Steelers twice. Pittsburgh's got Miami, Detroit, and Cincinnati last game of the year outside of playing the Ravens twice. And then you got Cincinnati, who they're sitting at four and eight. They got Buffalo, they got Baltimore, they got the Miami Dolphins, Arizona Cardinals in Cincinnati are Pittsburgh to cap off the year? Yeah, so if they do, they do. But that's the schedule you'd want to see, right, Like, obviously the Cincinnati's got Buffalo this weekend, then it's Baltimore, then the Miami Dolphins, the Arizona Cardinals, and then the Pittsburgh Steelers. So they have a schedule you want as long as you take care, you know, you can knock off Buffalo this weekend. And then again, it's like you look at Baltimore. Outside of them playing each other twice, Baltimore is gonna have to play New England in Green Bay, and Pittsburgh's gonna have to play Detroit. They also have Miami. But then again, you in the year with Cincinnati, Miami's gotten better.

01:08:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a crazy game against the Saints this weekend.

01:08:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami has been playing with some juice ever since they they made the move on the GM.

01:08:27
Speaker 2: Right, right, which is so odd, Like what did fire in the GEM?

01:08:31
Speaker 3: I know, I think we've talked about the show. I kind of I'm a fan of that move of doing the GM with the thought process of like what are you gonna fire a head coach in the middle of the year, right, if they're probably going to at the end of the year, then you find a GM and a head coach that are aligned with each other, because how many times do you see a GM get hired, he brings in the head coach, head coach gets fired, new GM comes in, but then they have it's just always the same revolving door of no continuity. It's kind of what you see the Titans kind of going right now, they're kind of one piece missing, and by the time they get another piece in, that's this guy's guy. He's getting kicked out. And so with the with the Dolphins, what you do is you get rid of the top dog. You say, hey, we haven't drafted good enough. We're gonna get you out of there. Let's find out who the right GM is, bring that guy in, and then you're making decisions top down, and so it's more the foundationally, it's a better structure.

01:09:24
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a wark on conclusion that they fire McDaniel.

01:09:27
Speaker 3: I think three four weeks ago we were saying that now spicy, So it's like, yeah, if.

01:09:33
Speaker 2: He finishes the year strong and they don't fire him, now they're just back to it hiring a GM who doesn't have his coach, and it's your situation you're saying, I completely agree. It's the same thing coach and quarterback. Like, how many times do we see a coach is struggling, he's got the top overall pick, he takes the top overall pick, he gets fired midseason, and they just continue to never have The Bears have done it, the Titans have done it, the Jaguars have done it. And it feels like if you draft the first overall quarterback, you're gonna get fired in first year.

01:10:04
Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.

01:10:05
Speaker 2: I think this is I know, I agree with your point. It'd be interesting to see how Miami handles it because if if they finish strong, they don't fire them. It's the situation you laid out.

01:10:14
Speaker 3: That what is finish strong? Though, Sorry, I was just gonna say, you got to the playoffs.

01:10:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to assume that when they fired the GM that in their mind McDaniel's gonna be next at the end of the year, and the way that they were kind of up and down, all the things that was coming out with, like you know, press conference's leadership, all those question marks. But now you're sitting back and watching this team play with some jews, play with some energy, win football games, play for you know, you could say the head coach play for each other all that stuff. If you're Miami, you're kind of like, shit, you kind of you kind of don't want it going this way if your playing was to fire McDaniels at the end of the year.

01:10:50
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the finish strong looks, like, what is their record right now?

01:10:54
Speaker 1: Do we know? We probably find it pretty quick?

01:10:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're not gonna win the division. The Patriots are gonna win the division. Yeah, they're like what two games away from walking that up, having't that be done? They're five and seven right now, yeah, just not making the playoffs, Like yeah, so making the playoffs I would probably lean on. Yeah, Like, if your decision making was fire the GM knowing that at the end of the year we're going to fire McDaniels, I don't think that plan has changed.

01:11:21
Speaker 2: If that's the last couple of weeks, cloud that right, right, If that was your decision, maybe it wasn't.

01:11:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're four they're five and seven, but they're four and one in their last five Yeah, and they got the Jets, the Steelers, Bengals, Bucks, and Patriots to round out the Earth.

01:11:37
Speaker 3: Didn't the Jets just beat the Falcons.

01:11:39
Speaker 2: They could win four of those five games.

01:11:40
Speaker 1: They can win for those five, then you're kind of.

01:11:42
Speaker 2: A one step further. If the Patriots have locked up the one seed, they could win all five of those games because they might not even have to play the starters.

01:11:52
Speaker 1: Yes, eight, Yeah, you go nine and one in your last ten since you fired the GM, who knows what it looks like.

01:11:58
Speaker 2: You know, nine and one. I don't care if they don't make the playoffs with ten wins or not. You go nine and one over your last ten, you're not getting fired.

01:12:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I agree. But it goes back to kind of like our analytics talk where it's all about, like you to play safe, you're going to play aggressive. Like if you are the owner of the Miami Dolphins, are you sitting there and saying McDaniel's the guy that's gonna get a Super Bowl? The answer needs to be a yesterday no answer, black or white.

01:12:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

01:12:22
Speaker 3: If the answer is no, then the result of the rest of the year should not matter.

01:12:27
Speaker 2: Oh I no, I agree. I'm not saying it's what I would do. I just the way we all know the NFL and the way these these owners and are all risk averse. It's just so much easier to stand at the podium and say he finished nine and one. We love the way our teams responded, we love this. It's an easier press conference. Yeah, And to ignore that people make decisions based on public reaction and based on press conferences is naive because they one hundred percent due. They're humans. People don't like articism, people don't like to stand up there and take bullets. And whether it's a coach, an owner, a GM, whatever it is, path of least resistance is very common in the NFL.

01:13:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, good point. We got Ryan Day coming on in two minutes. Greg, you're the man. I know you're gonna stick around. I'm gonna go take a potty break. For everybody tuned in, thank you for tuning in again. Thirty five percent off bwtv dot com all of our merchandise. We will see you here in a little bit for our college football show. Yep, boys, Welcome to another episode reaction show College Football Busting with the Boys. We got rivalry week, we got the college Football Commissioner Josh Bate joining the boys after all the chaos chaotic weekend with Lane Kiffin. We'll be talking coaching changes, potential playoff chaos that we were all rooting for before we get rolling. Number one, it is a cyber mondayale is now up thirty five percent off our entire store. Last week it was thirty percent thirty five on Monday. As you were listening to this, thirty five percent off our entire store. I'm talking to the men out there because we do it best. I haven't done any a lick of Christmas shopping yep, since Black Friday has started. You wait until the last minute. I'm just reminding you again, thirty five percent off our entire store.

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Speaker 3: Thirty five percent off. I want to say this before we start. It is so great after rievery week, after what happened to my team, after what happened to your team, after happened to JP's team. What happened to Jack's team? It's nice to sit here with friends, Will being a friend, JP, your friend Jack, Garrett Sherm, Mitch. It's like, it's great to have my friends here and be together in a situation like this where it sucks. It hurts, but we all get to hurt together and that's beautiful. And Josh is also here as well. Josh is here now, joh before we get into what's really important, which is college football, do you want to address what you did this weekend on Saturday morning?

01:15:06
Speaker 6: Yeah?

01:15:07
Speaker 3: Do you want to apologize?

01:15:09
Speaker 6: I'll address it. Okay, yeah, I'll address it. So I woke up, you know what many people do. Every human who's alive today woke up this morning.

01:15:17
Speaker 1: That's right.

01:15:17
Speaker 6: Fact. And I woke up Saturday morning. And you know when you wake up and your consciousness just tugging at you a little bit. For those people at her who have consciousness, mine was tugging at me on Sunday or Saturday morning. I thought to myself, was wrong. I haven't done anything. You know, I'm not in debt. I don't owe anyone any money. What's wrong? It was a pick on a game. Gets knowing more important than that in rivalry weekend and I was thinking what game?

01:15:39
Speaker 5: What game?

01:15:39
Speaker 6: And I realized it was it was Ohio State and Michigan.

01:15:43
Speaker 5: Get it, get it up a little bit more.

01:15:45
Speaker 1: Do you do shows?

01:15:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, just not with the sensitive mics.

01:15:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:15:49
Speaker 6: So I needed to talk to someone about it. I talked to my wife about it, and she said, you got to Actually, she said, I don't care. But then she said, talk to someone else about it. So who else do you go to? Will Compton? Yeah, that's right, it's Savannah Pate. Will Compton's right there because you would be there, but I couldn't talk to you for what will be obvious reasons. In just a second. I came on the locker room last Wednesday and I ignored all my better judgment. I ignored the model. I said, I'm not picking against the Michigan again. It's been four years in a row. I can't do it. But then Saturday morning, you look in the mirror and you're like, what are you doing? Ohio State's going to win this game?

01:16:24
Speaker 1: So what do I do?

01:16:25
Speaker 6: I look and I say, we got fifteen twenty minutes to kick off? Do I change? And my heart said no, but my head said yes. So I consulted William and I said, I'm going to change, but if I do, I need you to hold me to it. I can't make this public this late. I'll get drug and I don't want to make it about me. It needs to be about the kids.

01:16:42
Speaker 3: It's magest game of the year.

01:16:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I told him I am changing my pick. You can release this at four and then I put my phone down. But then I picked my phone back up and said, there's one more person I got to reach out to, and that was you. And I didn't necessarily tell you I was changing my pick. What I told you is I want to tell you good luck and I love you. And you said five words back? Do you want to read them there?

01:17:03
Speaker 3: Thank you, love you too?

01:17:05
Speaker 6: And I just don't see why that has to change because of one football game.

01:17:09
Speaker 3: Do you want to pick up the time stamps of when those texts were us?

01:17:11
Speaker 6: I don't know.

01:17:12
Speaker 5: I have no interest in you.

01:17:14
Speaker 3: That is where I am like, Okay, there's tom foolery about in Josh Pate's head on Saturday morning, as I see a text message to will Compton at I don't know the exact time because we don't have it up at around ten fifty three am, and then you might be spot on. It's basically, yeah, I looked at it quite a bit. It's basically saying I can't do this. Ohihio, State's gonna what Michigans ask, which you were correcting, So I'm changing my pick. I want you to hold this now as your other friend who's at the top of your list, right behind your wife, I would expect you to either not text me or or send a text that says hey, I'm also by the way, I know you want a Michigan to went, but I really think of how it's gonna win. I this is not what I want to do to you, but it's going You're gonna see this, You're gonna know this. So here's the information. So the love you text to me is We're in the movie Gladiator. I'm chained up, I'm about to go out for my last fight, and you give me a hug and you stab me in the back and you tell me I love your brother, and then we go out and fight. Unfortunately, you just murder me. At the end scene of the movie. Is if I get you and then I die. No, you just cut my head off and that is that what you having? The conscious thing? Everything I have no problem with. It's the it's the text messages and the times in which they took place.

01:18:31
Speaker 6: You know, there's so much on my face that says I want to push back on this right now. It was pretty accurate. Yeah, that's a pretty accurate description of what happened.

01:18:39
Speaker 3: I'm so glad we can get past that and just you sitting on this bus saying it's accurate. You don't even have to say sorry, You've already said.

01:18:45
Speaker 4: It with your eyes.

01:18:46
Speaker 6: Gladiator Too starts today.

01:18:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, which bad movie? Anyway, onward, I thought it was.

01:18:51
Speaker 1: I was a little into it. Did you like it? But I'm an easy crowd.

01:18:55
Speaker 3: I'm a guy that watches the original and goes it better to meet this sex place. I'm I'm an unhealthy watcher. That's a great Yeah.

01:19:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, so telling what you What you're basically saying is he handled the tough situation just poorly.

01:19:07
Speaker 6: I landed the plane, but not without I think he did it fine.

01:19:12
Speaker 3: Like if he just texted you and was like, hey, I'm picking a house state. Yeah, I'm gonna feel some type of way. But at the end of the day, like he's just having a discussion with somebody else, not hurting my feelings. That's all good.

01:19:21
Speaker 4: But he.

01:19:23
Speaker 3: Sent you a text, sat on this couch and goes it's not enough. I got a now, text Taylor and tell him that I love him, so that I feel even more comfortable. I feel more safe. Hey, I love you too. I am pacing back and forth roner my TV holding my eight year old. She's asking questions, Hey, what is this? What does that mean? What are these three dots?

01:19:41
Speaker 2: Oh?

01:19:42
Speaker 3: Those are timeouts? Hey, what is the yellow line? That's the first down? We have to get to that first down. It's not about getting a touchdown right now, It's about getting a new set of downs. I look up, I get a text from Josh Pace. I love you. I smile, thank you, I love you too. It's gonna be I think I got my trench boy with me. I got my judges. You said, you send me a text, let's ride, it's go time. Whatever it was, And I'm like, I got my dogs with me, knowing we all kind of knew, even me, there's a piece of that head going, you know, last year, like they're not gonna make the same mistake again. But I I push that away. I had other guys that went to Michigan text me to saying the same thing. I pushed that away just to find out that. But I don't want to do what the show's about. I want. I wanted to address this. I want.

01:20:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great analogy for like Lane Lane Kiffing, old miss r you miss fans.

01:20:29
Speaker 3: I'm an old miss fan.

01:20:30
Speaker 1: He text me. He's letting them know, Hey, good luck, I love just just messing with their heartstrings the whole time.

01:20:34
Speaker 3: I'm Keith Carter, I'm the ad love you.

01:20:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, something something's been tugging at Lane Kiffing and his conscience. Yeah, I can't do this. I can't stay at ole miss. I'm gonna come down, Sue.

01:20:44
Speaker 3: And then I have to find out over the internet and I come back and he's probably be like, hey, can I support mission in the bowl game? You can't coach, you can't be a part of this bowl.

01:20:52
Speaker 1: And you're saying you you understood, you got it, Like you didn't have to, you didn't have to play with my emotions.

01:20:57
Speaker 3: This exactly, exactly like if it was just the better opportu. Yeah, he took a business decision and made it personal by just sending good luck, I love you. I'm just like, what the hell is this?

01:21:08
Speaker 6: Knowing full well if Michigan pulls that game out, I'm texting you.

01:21:12
Speaker 1: We did it.

01:21:13
Speaker 4: Bro.

01:21:13
Speaker 3: Yeah you're probably texted one, but please.

01:21:19
Speaker 6: And I'm just telling you we did it.

01:21:20
Speaker 1: Man, exactly did it.

01:21:21
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here none the wiser, just happy that Michigan won. I tell you, guys should have that little secret forever.

01:21:25
Speaker 1: That for those first two series, it was when you guys picked the ball up. I know, I was like, oh my god, I know, is this gonna happen again?

01:21:34
Speaker 3: When we got three, That's when I was like, no, I'm concerned because we picked the ball off. We're like in the low, We're in the in the red zone, the fringe area, and I'm like, now is the time to have we have to have a two score lead.

01:21:46
Speaker 1: We have to have.

01:21:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if we're gonna go to the game, I thought were gonna go Lane Kiffin, but Michigan got out, played out, coached out, schemed out class. It was tough in every sense of the word. And honestly, I said I said in the video after the game, like congrats to Ryan Day, Brian Hartline, Matt Patricia like they earned it. They ate it for three and sixty five days, longer than that twenty and ninety one days, and once they won, there's no bullshit about it. They're like, hey, in their mind, everything is right in the world again, yep. And you gotta respect it. You gotta respect the way they handled it, how we have handled it. And if you're a Michigan fan, it's a great opportunity to look yourself in the mirror, be like, how how are we going to be winners? Next time?

01:22:30
Speaker 5: Are winners?

01:22:31
Speaker 3: How are we going to act? Because there's a piece of me that loves the bullshit like the flag planning and all that, because it just adds to the storyline of Rivalry Week and it shows the highlights and the fighting and all that.

01:22:41
Speaker 1: I love that.

01:22:42
Speaker 3: But when someone who's beaten you more times than not since two thousand and they just shake your hand and walk off the field, it's like that that's a tough fucking look.

01:22:52
Speaker 1: It says we're gonna win with humility.

01:22:54
Speaker 6: It's like, oh yeah, Like like that is they predict that you will?

01:22:58
Speaker 3: That's the right. The Ryan Day's playbook was perfect all the bad things I said about Ryan Day, like, I take you back. He's a leader of men. He's a great coach. He is, he's outstanding, he really is.

01:23:08
Speaker 6: The part that got me was Michigan's players protected them. Oh and Ohio State folks looked at it, like, what do you do? We're we're not going to do that anymore.

01:23:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't what you think it is.

01:23:20
Speaker 3: And the thing that bothers me is in Columbus last year when Ohio State players are trying to fight Michigan players over the flag thing, I'm thinking of myself, Hey, you had sixty minutes to defend your turf, like we technically took over your territory. Now sixty minutes has taken place. We got our ass whipped, and we got one hundred and ten guys standing on the the Orlians like, guys, it's they have won.

01:23:39
Speaker 6: Just go home.

01:23:40
Speaker 3: The game is over and it sucks.

01:23:42
Speaker 1: Man.

01:23:42
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't think we had a winning game plan. I mean, I know, Bryce like people want to mess with the stall and the kid through the ball eighteen times, and ten of those throws really came and like, okay, we're down by multiple scores. It's time to like kind of rip it, and it's like, how are you gonna get a kid to get into a groove of a game and then just be like all right, now, go save us. Yeah, it's a tough situation.

01:24:01
Speaker 5: To be in.

01:24:02
Speaker 1: Look, Ohio State is the best team in the country. They're the best team in the chaos that could happen in the playoffs and everything else. I'm just thinking, like, who's going to beat this team?

01:24:09
Speaker 6: No, the field may be one told you, we said in the locker room like a month ago. The whole chaos is going to be the playoff selection. It's going to be the process of getting to the playoff, because once you get in the playoff, it may not be that chaotic at all. It may just be who's lining up to be the next victim for them?

01:24:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said it Percly on your show last night. Like every top team, after every game they have more questions. The only thing on how State's giving you his answers. Yeah, over and over and over again. All they've given is answers. And it sucks that I my team has to be the last head post on a stake like that sucks, But I mean that team is the best team. Now if you are Michigan, it's you see the level that States put themselves at in this new nil world, Like, are you going to go match that and go after it the same way they have? That's the question they have to ask themselves. I can't do it for I don't have that kind of money. I can't do it family to feed myself. I'm a superhero as a fan, hoping and wishing him, praying I'm with you. But yeah, I mean there's a whole lot that means to be saying. Let's you know, Mitch, if you want to rub it in a little bit, I saw your text about your childhood traumas and us real living those things for you.

01:25:14
Speaker 1: Hey, that man inspired Mitch to get back on the box man.

01:25:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, long tweet talking about Jack Jack's responses. That's a lot of words.

01:25:24
Speaker 1: That's a lot of words. But talking about driving the cans, the comforter and everything else. I know it had my attention. I'm like, okay, Mitchie boy, I.

01:25:31
Speaker 3: Read half of it and I was just and it wasn't you. I was just fucking I was mad about the situation.

01:25:35
Speaker 5: No, I mean, like I I had to go through like I have been.

01:25:40
Speaker 9: I guess you could say, for lack of a better term, bullied out of being a fan just because I.

01:25:44
Speaker 5: Have been a bit casual.

01:25:45
Speaker 9: But like seeing Ryan Day, like we win with humility and then like him shakes your own's like, hey, we got to get these guys off the field. We're not going to do any flag planning, like like that's my that's my head coach. And like I have been a fan, like I had the comforter, I had to my bedroom and was painted like that. I went to two youth camps, like I've been a die hard fan, like since since a kid. But like I just kind of I don't know if I fell off a little bit, but like seeing that win, it's like, oh, I'm I'm fully bad.

01:26:13
Speaker 6: You found your faith again? I did, Yeah, you found your faith again.

01:26:16
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he's a born again buck guy.

01:26:20
Speaker 3: Man, I don't really see a team on here that beats Ohio State.

01:26:24
Speaker 6: Ohio State is the team.

01:26:26
Speaker 3: It's the team, Like, that's the team.

01:26:28
Speaker 6: That's the team that beats at State.

01:26:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only way that team loses. Can I ask you a question, are we should we be done with conference championships? Like we have number one and number two indianniversal health state this weekend, and it makes zero sense if the Commission has already said it's not going to affect their judgment, If they're technically still going to stay one to two, why not sit all your best players? Will be like, Hey, why hurt these guys more when we have three four more games to play?

01:26:54
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll do you another one. I mean, the Big ten's the easy one. Look at the SEC. So Alabama's in the playoff right now. If they just don't play Saturday, they're in the playoff now. They don't have a first round by so technically they could play Saturday and get that. That'd be wonderful. However, if they didn't have the game this weekend, that would be their bye. So what happens to the SEC? Because George is going to be in no matter what. There are folks out there walking the streets this morning who are seriously suggesting to you if Alabama lose a Saturday, they're going to fall out, which I think is insane. But same question for both conferences there, Why have your game Saturday?

01:27:27
Speaker 1: Yeah?

01:27:27
Speaker 6: That's why I think with this new talk about we're going to restructure the playoff or whatnot. If they do it, whatever changes they make, they've either got to crystallize the value of conference championship games or they got to do away with them, and the latter is not a realistic option because they make way too much money on them. So that goes to my whole theory of why I don't think Bama's falling out no matter what, because You've got really one of, if not the most powerful conferences in college football with their one seed. I know Bama's ranked behind Georgia, but they are technically the one seed in the SEC. If you tell the most one of the most powerful conferences in college football, your one seed could miss our twelve team playoff because they played in your conference championship game. The SEC like may burn the whole thing down, Like they may just take their ball and go home and say, you know what, we're going to do our own thing. You guys have fun. Let us know when you figure it out. And think about this, there's a world where Alabama SEC championship game participant is not in the playoff and there are two G fives and two big twelves in the playoff. I just threw up. Many people just threw up.

01:28:27
Speaker 1: Listening to that.

01:28:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people had to pull over in their cars.

01:28:31
Speaker 1: What if Georgia wins like thirty one to thirteen, I don't care. That's just thinking like kind of a blowout scenario, Obama falls out.

01:28:39
Speaker 6: Oh no, there is a chance they fall out. I'm telling you, I would never drop them out because if they're in today, then they're in period. But yeah, like I keep listening to the folks who really follow this hardcore and the people who have sat in with the committee before, Like they take some of the media folks, they fly them down to Texas and they have them sit through the mock selection process, and everybody who sat through that thing keeps on putting their predictions out and they have Bama losing if they lose to Georgia and maybe dropping out. I don't think those people are all stupid, Like they clearly know what they're talking about. So yeah, there's a chance. I just think it's insane and if you do it, they're going to be much bigger ramifications for the SEC, because you notice, like I saw Greg Sankey Saturday night, the Commissioner of the SEC, and it made me remember that guy hasn't said a word about this. No one in the SEC has said a word about it. From the league office. They haven't tried to politic they haven't tried to influence publicly or privately. They haven't sid a word to me like, they haven't reached out to try and stoke the fire. I think they're just waiting to see the outcome. And if Bama wins, it's a moot point. If Bama loses, that twelve hours between that game and the selection the next day will be honestly, it'll be about like the coaching world was over the past few days with lang Kiff and an LSU just be total insanity.

01:29:57
Speaker 1: God.

01:29:57
Speaker 7: I have a question if if Bama were to win this weekend, do they earn one of the top four spots and then they get the bye and then Georgia would fall to whatever that would be.

01:30:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like I think that's the way it would work. That's the other side.

01:30:12
Speaker 1: Teams.

01:30:15
Speaker 6: I think the SEC champ is going to have a first round by whoever that is, Yeah, Georgia Obviously I think Bama would jump up there too. Uh. Then Georgia falls to hosting a playoff game, and I think the way it's projected right now, three of the four teams that would host a playoff game or SEC teams and then it would probably be organ or maybe I think Texas Tech is going to jump up and take one of the spots, by the way as the Big twelve champs. So yeah, like Oregon and three SEC teams hosting against god knows who from the G five ranks and they're probably three touchdown favorites. What if beats Virginia's.

01:30:52
Speaker 3: Beatause you have Virginia sitting at eleven seed right now, they lose to do Who's nowhere to be found on this chart?

01:30:59
Speaker 6: What then it's I want to remind people. Okay, we talked about the ACC doomsday scenario on the locker room a month ago, and then Duke lost to Virginia ironically, and we kind of thought, okay, doomsday scenario off the table. The ACC is so bad it lost its way back into the doomsday scenario. The doomsday scenario is and this is gonna sound fake, but it's not. Duke is seven and five playing for a conference championship. Because many of their losses are out of conference losses. Duke is a two and a half point dog against Virginia. If they beat Virginia Duke. The best we counted it last night, Duke is not in the top forty of the AP right now, and that's as far as you can count. You can't even go past forty. They're not even receiving votes. If Duke wins, they won't be close to one of the five highest ranked conference champs, so they won't get an automatic bid. Those autobids would go to James Madison and whoever wins the American Athletic Conference, and then the the rest of the Power four league champs. And so the question would become for the committee on selection Sunday, are we going to put Miami in the playoff? Basically that would be the ACC's only shot at getting a team in the playoff, And if they say no to Miami, like they have been doing, you're looking at the ACC being shut out entirely. Which again we floated on the locker room a month ago. I saw the comment section. They thought we were idiots. They thought we weren't reading the rules correctly. Right, No, we were reading the rules correctly. It's just a scenario no one ever thought would happen, has already happened in the second year of the twelftheen Playoff. That's the world you live in. That's the world you woke up in this morning.

01:32:37
Speaker 3: Everyone, Duke, what is North Texas's record? Why are they even? They're eleven in one?

01:32:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, North Texas play I've already had my stance on.

01:32:46
Speaker 3: The G five. You need to be undefeated, Yeah, well have to be. Look here and their coach just less.

01:32:52
Speaker 1: So now now we're in a situation that we don't need multiple G fives. Well, we need a G five to take out the acc Like, if Duke wins, that will obviously be the domino effect, but we kind of need the G five a little bit right now, if you want, because no matter what we were accepting, we have to accept the rules of the game, which is G You know, these top five ranked conference champions they get in.

01:33:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:33:16
Speaker 6: Look here's the other side of it though. If Virginia beats Duke, it still just means a G five team in Virginia are going to be in and those just total blowout city against the five and the six seed in their building in round one. Both of those games are going to be between fourteen and twenty one point spreads. It will be SMU Penn State last year, like it'll be that all over again, and you just know you're mailing it in. You're trying to stay healthy and it's going to be a really boring watch.

01:33:44
Speaker 1: But what about the spirit of college football?

01:33:46
Speaker 6: I'm all for it, That's why I tune in every Saturday in the fall. That is great. But you said the spirit of college football, right, yeah, And the spirit of college football sometimes gets misconstrued to where every single team in the one hundred and thirty sixteen field of FBS is playing the same level of football. Everyone knows they're not. Both of you have actually gone on record as saying, yeah, there should probably be a G five playoff. I've beat that drum for years, but you come to a total end pass because they just push back and say, no, we don't want our own playoff. We want the right to earn our way to get our head beat in like they would rather have that world.

01:34:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had so. As it stands right now, North Texas is going to play Oregon at Oregon or North Texas or two laneg So one of those teams are if your Oregon and your schedule comes out and you have them in one of your first four games, you're not looking at that going oh shit, we gotta win this one. And now we sit here in the playoff and the most important games of the year. Your first game is against two Lane or North Texas.

01:34:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, for the spirit of college football.

01:34:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, both coaches are gone. Yeah, gee's over here saying both coaches are gone, Which why not van By who's ten and two, or even Texas. It's nine to three.

01:34:56
Speaker 1: That's what it should be.

01:34:57
Speaker 3: That's what it should be. Absolutely, But as Vandy out, I think.

01:35:02
Speaker 6: It looks like Vandy's out. I think it's crazy. They dropped in the eight people. They dropped in the eight people after beating Tennessee. But look, it's another no win, okay, because when you're arguing Vandy, you're not arguing Vandy. You're arguing a fifth SEC team. That's all the public heres, and they're gonna say, well, who is Vandy beaton? And then you say, dude, they just beat Tennessee on the road. Well, Tennessee didn't even have a win against indie, winning conference with a winning record. It's like, if you really want to go down that rabbit hole, I could pick apart every resume up there. The side of Ohio State in Indiana, I could easily do that. It's very very selective enforcement of criteria to pick apart someone's resume. Bottom line is, if we sat on this bus in July and anyone said, rubbed the magic eight ball this morning, I know for a fact Vandy's going ten to two. They're gonna end the season red hot. They're gonna drop forty five in Kneeland Stadium. They're gonna run for over three hundred against Tennessee. They're gonna have a bona fide Heisman Trophy candidate quarterback like Diego Poppy is not gonna get hurt. He's gonna go the whole wire to wire season. You're asking what seed are they gonna be? Yeah, you're gonna ask are they gonna get a first round by are they going to Atlanta? Are they gonna play for the conference title? And instead it's yeah, sorry, we're gonna drop you a spot in the ap Bye.

01:36:10
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I thought it makes no sense to me.

01:36:13
Speaker 1: You have other jacks.

01:36:15
Speaker 3: Jack's over here golf clapping in the corner.

01:36:20
Speaker 1: That's that's pain. That's pain coming out. Yeah. The total the total chaos scenario we could be looking at here, Georgia wins big b YU beats Texas Tech, and Duke wins.

01:36:32
Speaker 6: Okay, I can address those one at a time. B YU beats Texas Tech. They're both in. Yeah, b YU is the conference champ. Texas Tech's not gonna drop out, all right, Duke wins. That means two G five teams are going in, so Duke wouldn't be in. So at that point already, just with those two parameters, you have two G fives and two Big twelve teams. So a third of your playoff is going to be made up of G five or Big twelve? Are you going to drop Alabama out if they get blown out? Like I'm not independent of what I think should happen, I think the committee would drop them out, at which point you would have this whole side bar of chaos with the SEC and they would have a legit right, Georgia would be in. That's just going to be a crazy I mean, you would really get around to even asking is Notre Dame then, because you got to make room for all these teams. And by the way, my opinion is Notre Dame is not nearly as solidly just in the playoff as people assume they are, because you don't know how many teams you got to make room for. So I dropped Notre Dame out before I dropped Alabama out in that scenario because one of them played for conference title and one of them didn't, and I'm not going to punish them. But then the other part of that is, so let's just look at tomorrow night. We're recording this on Monday, Tuesday night, the rankings come out. We assume Notre Dame's probably still going to be a ranked ahead of Miami, but Miami's got another data point. Now, they went and smoke pit worse than Notre Dame did on the road, and we're gonna have to find out. Does the committee look at that and still say, yeah, we don't care. We just think Notre Dame's better. So we know, you guys played a head to head and we know that Miami's beaten several comparable opponents worse than Notre Dame did, but we don't care about that cause our eyeballs tell us Notre Dame is better, which I agree with. By the way, I just think it's irrelevant because you should have set parameters that actually matter, and they are enforced. So we got to find out where Miami and Notre Dame are going to be tomorrow night so that we can project who would potentially be left out. And then the you want a real chaos scenario, Ole Miss is sitting there as the projected seven seed, right, yeah, yeah, all right, well the coaching staff, yeah, coaching staff. Coaching staff leaves, and the committee has it in their protocol to redefine how good a team is if you've lost a player like Jordan Travis twenty.

01:38:52
Speaker 4: Twenty three undefeated State, or if you lose.

01:38:55
Speaker 6: Coaches ole Miss this year. So there is this world where the committee looks at Old Miss and says, sorry, guys, that's chaos.

01:39:04
Speaker 1: And also to that domino effect chaos two based on the rules of conference champion winners and everything else. It's like, you know, the coaches leaving at uh Tulane in North Texas. They'll be in there in the playoff without their head coach. Yep.

01:39:18
Speaker 6: But the structure difference there is if Tulane wins the American this Saturday, they're a conference champ. There's this designation on them. It doesn't matter if the committee thinks they're the worst team in the country. They've got to put them in if they're one of the five highest ranked conference champs. With Old Miss, they're just in that large team. So it's totally up to the committee whether they get put in.

01:39:38
Speaker 1: Just like it.

01:39:39
Speaker 6: It's the same with Notre Dame. It's the same with Oklahoma. It would be the same with Oregon. With Texas, A and M, they're at larges. So the committee's got to give you a spot you didn't technically earn it by this designation of being a conference champ. It's messy. It's really messy.

01:39:53
Speaker 3: Is this fixed or does it hurt more if you expand the playoff, which I know you've been a guy that is totally against. But then you get Vandy in all missstays these G five teams, I don't know what the hell do you even deal with them? Virginia is in.

01:40:06
Speaker 6: Let me tell you my theory. It was the same when it was a four team playoff. I've never thought that just because people are mad, it means something's wrong. I just think it means you have something really valuable and there aren't a whole lot of them, and a bunch of people want them, bunch of flawed teams, So no team's perfect up here. So we're looking at varying degrees of flawed resumes and we're trying to find the twelve least flawed. Although you could argue that's not really the case with the whole G five thing. But no, I don't think you should ever expand it. You can't expand the playoff enough to ever stop conversation and ever stop anger, and ever stop hurt feelings. It would be the exact same Like people always say this, but they're right. You would have to expand the thing to one hundred and thirty six teams before you fully rid yourself of people being upset that they got left out. So you either expand it to the point where there are still some upset people and hurt feelings, but it's really really must see stuff late November early December, or you expand it to the point where not only does everyone who deserves to get in get in, but we also probably throw in a few that don't deserve to get in, Like what puts more value, what puts more premium on regular season games?

01:41:16
Speaker 3: Those who deserve to get in get in.

01:41:17
Speaker 6: And maybe if one or two have to get left out, that just means the room's really packed. Like no one stands in line to get into a building where there's room for everyone. You stand in line because it's pretty exclusive and it means something to get in there.

01:41:32
Speaker 3: Do you think we have this issue? If it was we were back in time and it's a fourteen.

01:41:36
Speaker 6: Playoff, you always had the issue. It's just you wouldn't be arguing about twelve, thirteen, fourteen because you would know, man, they were way on the outside your logic. There is what I always think about when I'm getting upset, Like I'll get upset inevitably about someone getting left out of this thing. But I always try and tell myself, you just think back to the four team era. You're arguing about teams right now that would have been way way way outside the four team field. And even back then we used to say, dude, there aren't four teams that can win a title this year, just like this year there probably aren't six, seven, eight teams that are going to be able to win a title with how Ohio State looks. So we're really arguing semantics and you get sucked into it, like I feel good about Vandy. I love what they've done. I think it would be insane if Bama got left out because they're in the SEC championship game. You're crazy if you punish Ole Miss because they lost their coaching staff, which those players have no control over. Do I think any of them are going to win a national title? Probably not. And if that's the whole purpose of this thing, I know there are dual compartments. I understand two different conversations.

01:42:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is why college football is the best.

01:42:40
Speaker 6: It's going to be a mess man. Yeah, there's no way around it.

01:42:44
Speaker 1: I love the chaos.

01:42:45
Speaker 2: Man.

01:42:46
Speaker 1: It's like, I just want the twelve best. Like we're sitting here waiting on some of these games to matter, and a couple of the championship games don't even matter this weekend, so you want to see how that's all going to play out. And we're this scenario where you got a couple of big twelve teams in, couple G five teams in Do you leave out Miami? Do you leave out Notre Dame. It's like they Miami Notre Dame are very strongly uh, one of the twelve best teams in college football? Yeah, yeah, yeah, same with Vanderbilt. You got this Texas noise being louder than ever. Now let me say that sometimes it weirdly makes sense.

01:43:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a great job of like spinning out semantics are very good.

01:43:26
Speaker 6: Let me say this about Miami. Miami has put themselves in this position. Okay, so you can't be losing to Louisville and SMU. You can lose one of them, you can't lose both. So I'm not trying to absolve them of that. It's one their fault they're even in this position. But like I said, we got to apply that logic evenly. So Notre Dame lost a couple of games, including one at home to A and m off a buy in desperation mode. Don't be losing that game. So, like everyone has put themselves in these positions. Bama minus three turnovers against Oklahoma, that's why you're in this position. So if we remove that sentiment from the equation, I'm not picking Miami to win a national title even if they get in the playoff. But I will say if you were to ask Georgia or Ohio State or Indiana's coaching staff, the one group of personnel that would concern them the most are the defensive guys that Miami has because they probably have the two best ends in college football right now, extremely good, like long good future Sunday athletes that could give you problems. They're probably not going to win four games to go win at all, but they in a one off scenario could give you way more problems than probably some of these other teams that are going to get in.

01:44:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.

01:44:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Ball talking about it's like Jurassic Park every day at practice with those guys.

01:44:43
Speaker 6: He's not wrong, he's not wrong.

01:44:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole G five thing, I don't get it. I don't understand it. I don't know why they would be allowed to be in just because they won their conference.

01:44:56
Speaker 1: It's like, what the rules and stuff? Yeah, several times the last few weeks.

01:45:00
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I think the change is gonna be. I think the change that they could make right now that would greatly absolve this is keep all the rules as they are, but make the rule where your five highest ranked conference champs all have to be ranked at a certain level, like they all have to be top fifteen, so that if Duke wins Saturday, or North Texas wins or JMU wins, they're a conference champ. If they're not in the top fifteen at least, then we're just gonna override it and you're not getting it large. Yeah, it just comes in a large spot.

01:45:34
Speaker 2: No.

01:45:34
Speaker 6: I like that a lot because if you did that, let's say Duke wins Saturday, you're probably changing three spots. Right. Let's just say the G five gets to keep one spot, so you're gonna have one G five in, but you would free up two other spots that right now are gonna be held by G five and whoever else makes that so or at least one other spot. So yeah, I think they will move pretty immediately. They can't rid the playoff of G five because it's illegal, so they can't do that. What they can do is keep the G five with one spot and make sure in the future the GFI is not getting more than one spot, because everyone knows it's.

01:46:10
Speaker 3: A farce, right, if there's two spots open, who are you, Josh pay giving the nod to at largest? Yeah. If we said, hey, the G five that doesn't exist anymore. Duke beats Virginia, so ACC is kind of out.

01:46:25
Speaker 6: Probably Miami and Vanderbilt would the would be the two, but then Texas would come in and say if we're even in that conversation, we belong in over Vandy because we beat them, right, so I'd be I'd be okay with that's.

01:46:39
Speaker 1: Crazy to Texas. Three loss, but they did beat Vanderbilt yep.

01:46:42
Speaker 3: Three top ten teams, right, Yeah.

01:46:47
Speaker 6: Well sure did.

01:46:49
Speaker 1: Took care.

01:46:50
Speaker 3: O you took care O you, and O you to me is one of the more unstable teams in this whole bracket. Like their defense is really good, but they don't really do a whole lot on offense.

01:47:01
Speaker 1: But their schedule against anybody else, like they've taken care of business they needed to to where they're a two loss team, but it's like they yeah, yep, like they're in. What do you do if BYU loses by a game winning field goal against Texas?

01:47:15
Speaker 6: Deck you got to see where they're ranked tomorrow night. If they're not in the top ten, they're not going to be in. So they got to be in the top ten. It's the same thing with Bama, only I think BYU is even more vulnerable to getting bumped out because they're in an inferior conference.

01:47:27
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I guess my argument is like like for BYU is like when you're looking at all these all this chaos, all the semantics, BYU would have only lost their only team that they've lost to is Texas Tech. Yeah, and if they're losing on a game winning field goal in the Big Twelve Championship and that one team you beat him, Yes, they have two losses, but they've only lost to one team, that one team who beat them. That's what gets them out. Whereas if if both if the game winning field goal for Texas Tech happens, and say Bama loses in their three loss team but you can't keep you can't keep Alabama out, but you you bump out bye. Like again, I'm here for the ride. I think you're gonna have popcorns in there. I love all the chaos. I love rooting for all these teams in a weird way, but also shitting on teams in a weird way. I love all the entertainment. You know.

01:48:11
Speaker 6: The other thing is with the SEC is I think it's a low key, really good thing for Bama that Georgia got in the SEC title game, because even if you lose to them, you get to make the argument we went into their building and beat them earlier in the year, so you're telling us we're getting bumped out because we couldn't beat Georgia. No, we already did, and we beat them in their building early in the year, and then we got penalized because we earned the right to play them again and we couldn't beat them a second time around. Like, I don't need to make the talking points for the SEC because they're pretty obvious in that scenario. But with Brigham Young just watched the show tomorrow night. And if they're behind Alabama already, which I think they will be, if you get that apples to apples comparison, they'll have no leverage over Alabama. Yeah, yeah, they won't. I don't think they'll be in Yeah.

01:49:00
Speaker 1: Shall it be fun? Should we dive into some some Lane Kiffin?

01:49:03
Speaker 6: Who, buddy, some Lane Kiffin.

01:49:04
Speaker 1: Something happened, buddy?

01:49:09
Speaker 3: Where do we stand on this whole thing? There's a PC feels bad for the players. Yeah, I understand why Keith Carter will I completely understand why Keith Carter won't let Lane coach. Yeah, that like makes too much sense. At the same time, it's like, but these kids probably want a real shot at going after a title, so they would probably lean towards Hey, we want Lane to coach us even though he's gonna poach us.

01:49:28
Speaker 6: H all right, can you read this right quick? Can we just bat this down right quick? So read that for me?

01:49:33
Speaker 1: Okay, we got some tear talk right here from Washington's tate. The Washington State. Hard to complain about a kid's loyalty and the transfer portal when the coaches they look up to are even worse.

01:49:42
Speaker 6: All right, There is a lot of truth on the surface to this, because coaches are looking around constantly. I mean, coaches are demanding loyalty and yet they jump at the first opportunity they get. I that part is accurate. A lot of people have been saying, the players are you know, like I was dealing with this this morning on another show, someone said, Man, the players don't need to open their mouths on this. They're a little hypocritical because the players are always moving around. So how can those players at all miss theoretically complain about Lane Kiffin leaving. Well, the players don't leave in the middle of the season. The players don't get to the playoff and then say I'm out, And so this is a little bit apples to oranges on that front. All right, So there are two sides to that question that he just asked. But then the follow up to that is, even if the players were able to leave in the middle of the season, or the players are able to leave and go as many places as that they want to right now, it's just like Lane Kiffin having to take this job right now. It's just like coaching searches having to happen in the middle of the season. It all gets tied back to the same thing that you have no discernible structure in the sport. So the players didn't write the rules, Lane Kiffin, the ad at Old Miss, the ad at LSU, they didn't write the rules. They didn't make the calendar, so you don't have to carry water for these people. Lane could have handled this a whole lot better, But it's not running in appearance for any one person to generically say, dude, how about we fix the calendar here to where this doesn't have to happen. Like I highly doubt Lane Kiffin woke up one morning and said, you know what I want in the middle of this playoff run, this historic season at ole Miss, I'd love to leave in the middle of it and take a new job, right I doubt that happened.

01:51:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I think we're just the biggest issue is the calendar. That's the biggest problem.

01:51:26
Speaker 1: But people are aware of People are aware of that now, Yeah, people were aware.

01:51:30
Speaker 6: It weren't finally.

01:51:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like we on the macro. It is like it's the coaching calendar. Like Lamee was put in a very tough spot and guys like us, it's like you could sit here and be torn. I know for me personally, it's like you're torn on how you feel because now as a fan as what we do, the entertainment aspect, the TV series that goes on with Lane Kiff and you love diving. In all that, I think it's it's great for college football. But the other side, having been been a player, I'm sitting there thinking, like, man if Paulini or something, this would have happened in the middle of my senior year or not. Not, Like thinking the guys that we had and it happens during our senior year, during our run, we're going to the playoff. We're sitting there at eleven and one. I would be gutted, right, I would be gutted as a player, Like think of a what's the quarterbacks name Childress or Trinidad, Yeah, Trinidad. It's like him knowing his offensive staff is gone in the middle of what Ole Miss has done this year, all those offensive players, because really it's the offensive side that's.

01:52:27
Speaker 3: Been gutted after being a D two cat comes and transfer, Yeah, was a backup, and then takes over and keeps them in the historian.

01:52:33
Speaker 1: It's all short it's it's all short term vision for those guys right now that are trying to finish up a season that they started, that they earned. Been in all these conversations. So that's where I sit there and get torn because it's like, I hate it for those players.

01:52:46
Speaker 3: I hate it for the.

01:52:47
Speaker 1: Players because I'm just thinking of that situation had it been with myself at Nebraska, and you're just like, it sucks that it has to be that way. If you pull yourself all the way out of it and look at it from thirty thousand feet, it's all the calendar like they're putting these tough spots, but then you zoom in. You want to get the popcorn. Popcorn ready for this Gossip Girl series with Lane Giffen, he did handle a tough situation very poorly, And now I see why Old Miss fans are pissed. It's like, I'm excited for him to go to LSU because I think he's gonna be good at LSU. All just all the drama. I love all the drama. I see every side. It sucks and he's at LSU.

01:53:22
Speaker 3: Now I'm not disagreeing, But what did Lane Kiffin do to handle this poorly other than the calendar just made him make a decision.

01:53:29
Speaker 1: Now, just leave it the hard strings of everybody.

01:53:35
Speaker 3: Lane in general, though, that is.

01:53:38
Speaker 1: That doesn't justify how everybody else should subjectively look at him. It's like, oh that's Lane. It's like, no bro like you. It's the middle of the night and he's dropping a tweet through his dog's Twitter account's Ole Miss and Georgia and being like, I just want to know they're going to allow dogs here. And this is in the middle of when Marty Smith is dying, he's getting weaker and older, just just wanting to know if there's a decision going to be made because they're all everybody's sitting in that house trying to figure everything out. And then a dog tweet goes out.

01:54:06
Speaker 6: That was a hostage situation over there, hostage. Army Smith survived this. He didn't cover it. He survived this.

01:54:12
Speaker 1: But you know what you just said.

01:54:13
Speaker 6: You just said a point and then another point and another point, and you offered like thirty seven perspectives. The crazy thing about this is have you heard anyone offer another slant on this that you've heard and said? Man, I totally disagree with that. I've agreed with what everyone has said because there's so many different angles on it. I'll give you one more. Be an old miss fan, be an old miss donor right now, but rewind six years. Lane Kiffin is down in Boca. He is the head coach at FAU. He is toxic, he is radioactive. Nick Saban is a few years removed from firing him the week of a national championship game to get him out of his building. No one will touch him, and he's just dying for a job. He's dying for a shot. And Ole Miss is the one major program in the SEC that's willing to give him a shot when no one would touch him. Not only that, he comes there, he starts to win. He tries to get out once or twice, and teams still won't touch him. And then he kind of toys with Auburn buddy reverses course of the eleventh hour. But finally you get to the point six years later where we've got a shot, both of us, Like, we've paid you, you've returned it to us in kind, but we got a shot to do something historic, and we gave you your opportunity. Ls you would never touch you. They laughed at us for hiring you, so did Florida, and now they waited and you rehabilitated your image on our dime, and you're telling us that when we finally got here, we're getting the payoff finally for giving you your shot. We gave you all this money, We said yes to everything. We let your dog have his own a Twitter account, like we did everything you wanted us to. You're you're just by. You're you're going to do an interview with Marty Smith on a tarmac, same place you got fired at USC You're going to interview on a tarmac and you're out of here. And who could disagree with that? So all the points of view I've heard I agree with, I haven't heard anyone say anything where I'm like, I don't think that's true. Yeah, I don't think that's legit.

01:56:06
Speaker 3: If you're a donor for ole Miss and you are the ad for ole Miss, and we could reverse six years ago, however how long it's been, and they would tell you, hey, lank Iff and he's gonna go fifty five and nineteen for you. He's gonna have the most historic season in ole Miss history. But then he's gonna burn the shit out of you and he's gonna leave. Would the ad and those boosters would they sign up for that?

01:56:29
Speaker 6: I think if they knew this was how the program was going to be left, I think probably they would still go on the ride.

01:56:35
Speaker 1: Right.

01:56:36
Speaker 6: They've made a lot of money there. They have enhanced the image of ole Miss football.

01:56:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you look at ole Miss, you don't look at him as like a stepping stone place anymore, even though lank Iven just showed them that they're the most stepping stone place of all time.

01:56:46
Speaker 6: Accord.

01:56:46
Speaker 3: But if you go back in time and you looked at every one of them and said, you're gonna have these next six years, this is how it's gonna go for you. You're gonna be in the playoff, You're gonna have the best season ever in ole Miss history. But after that, the head coach, right before the playoff, he's gonna fuck you guys. They'd probably all sit there first second, take a deep breath like you are right now, and go bring it. Yeah, you know what, We'll take it because where Ole miss was six years ago, it was a shit show.

01:57:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:57:10
Speaker 3: It was in the conversations with the Kentucky's and the Mississippi states, in the Vanderbilts, like they're in that tier. And now you're in an upper tiered conference or a upper tier program. Yeah, so the yeah, any way you look at it, you kind of sit there and nod your head and go, yeah, I see that. Because when you're talking about being a player and I'm thinking about if I'm a senior and I've given my entire life to this program and that's how it's left me. He almost makes you want to cry because you're like, holy shit, because you imagine those seniors feel, and they're probably in the moment right now they're like, hey, fuck them, we don't need them. We'll go win this thing. They're gonna have the Cinderella story that everyone's looking for and the reality is probably not, so they're like kind of masking that pain only to get like six months from now to be like he really did just leave us in't me? After he told us all these things?

01:57:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think he handled it well? I think because now to mention everything you didn't know even the documentary had this year, You're like that was making his image of being where your feet are, enjoying the moment. It's not about money where I need to be, you know, just rip it out and then you it's like, you know, I had conversations with God, my family and this is where, this is where because even Marty s and what is what is L s U offer that Old miss us He's just like, you know, I was praying on it and made a decision with my family.

01:58:29
Speaker 6: Maybe it'll work out. Maybe yeah, yeah.

01:58:33
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I didn't know about the dog tweet. I didn't know about that. I think taking away like the trolling on Twitter, which it's hard to take that away, but just the position that Lane is put in. I can have empathy for the thought process of like, no way you handle this correctly because if you go, if you stay at Old Miss, you're here at Old Miss. But you just juggle along L. S U Auburn for a little bit in Florida up until last week, and now they're way behind the eight ball off who their coach is going to be, who are their recruiting class, transferportal, the whole thing. So you've kind of fucked three programs then.

01:59:08
Speaker 6: Okay, but let me hit you with this is John Somerral not the exact same situation. John Somerral head coach at Tulane. All year, They've been on a magical run this year. They are one went away from punching their ticket to the playoff. John Sumrral has been interviewed by several programs over the last month for their head coaching vacancy. John Somemrral just took the Florida job. John Sumral handled it professionally the entire way. He didn't talk about anything other than TWU lane football the entire way. He was communicative with his ad the entire way, which Lane was too, So I'm not knocking him for that. But John Sumral is in a conference championship this Saturday and is also being introduced as the Florida head coach today and no one's hating on John Sumral. So is it really just, oh, everyone hates Lane Kiffin because you know, he's the whale in the room to a certain extent. Yes, Lane's much bigger name than John Sumral, but it's also I think people have respect for the way John handled the process a whole lot more than the way Lane handled the process. And so like I got a bunch of LSU buddies, they're the same boy. It's really hypocritical. Everyone's hating on our guy. What about some Rall, what about some raw. I just think he handled the whole process a whole lot differently.

02:00:14
Speaker 3: I think so you you mentioned it not being the whale in the room. Some row is not the whaling room. Some Roll was a guy. If we don't get Lane, then we get Somemmer, all right, And so it's much easier for some Roll to sit in the position he is. And once again I'm not taking aside. I'm just arguing the point for some Roll to sit there and be like, I'm about Tulane, because at this point, all he is about Tulane, knowing people are kind of maybe calling him and being like, hey, if this doesn't happen, you're our guy. And if with that information, if you're Summer, all, like, there's no other information to kind of have other than but.

02:00:42
Speaker 6: He the Auburn job. What happened? What happened with dude Auburn? Let me tell you something that's a whole nother show. Auburn almost fantastically screwed themselves. Auburn had John Somemmrall done as late as last week. They had John Somer all done, and they messed around. I was so confident that Auburn had finally handed a coaching search the right way, and they had, and then they got to the finish line and they just tripped themselves up, you know, because they can't help it. And then John somewhere else says, no, you're not going to dictate terms to me about who's going to be on my staff and if they're going to be on my staff. I got to look him in the eye. I got to make sure they're right for me. So he said, peace, I'm out. And he could say that because he knew he was going to get the Florida job. But my point to you was, so Auburn pulled the nose up at the eleventh hour. They got Alex Goldish, He's good. They almost crashed entirely. We could do a whole show on that today. But with John, John did know he had head coaching jobs. He knew at the very least I'm going to Auburn and that's going to be a major head coaching job in the SEC. Florida is interested in me. He could have taken Arkansas in a heartbeat, could have taken Virginia Tech. Like, all those were on the table for him. He ends up at Florida because they don't get Lane. That's true. He would only have been on LSU's radar had they not gotten Lane. That's true. He also could have had the old Miss job. So he had several SEC irons in the fire, and he knew he was going to leave Tulane. But yet he handled the entire season. I think the only way you can given the circumstances. Yeah, I think people respect it a little bit more.

02:02:09
Speaker 3: No, I can get on board with that.

02:02:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. I empathize with Lane, not like he probably didn't know what he wanted to do.

02:02:16
Speaker 6: I agree with it this time.

02:02:17
Speaker 3: I'm not sure people have. People had no clue what he was going to do.

02:02:20
Speaker 1: Like I empathized with him having a hard decision and laying in bed and getting the heartstrings tugged on and everything else. I empathize with that because when the cheers stopped, the dust settles, it is only you. It's you and your family. You make whatever decision you think is best for you in this world. He thought it was at the end of the day, he took an old missjob. He took in his mind, a better opportunity, better backing, better structure. I look, he does his thing. I'm all for that, because again, it is only you in this world making your own decisions. So if that's what he's most happy with, dude, go do your thing. It's just all the semantics that came around because John Summerl, like you just don't feel the TV series that came with John Somerl throughout the entire process. Again, he is a lined with his ad probably I'm assuming with the team every step of the way. And when you are gonna make these hard decisions because you're in a tough spot because of this calendar, with the coaching, with the coaching cycle, when you're gonna make these hard decisions, that's going to inevitably hurt feelings no matter what you try and have his least amount of bloodshed as possible. And it felt like John Summrall did that and it felt like link Kiffin. It was just a bludgeting across the.

02:03:25
Speaker 3: Broad Yeah, yeah, yeah. He took the opportunity to pull the sword out. Yeah. You had the trauma from the last six years getting fired by Nick Saban and decided I'm gonna get mine right now.

02:03:35
Speaker 1: I'm the way out, right, and then trying to point the finger at the ad on the way out, saying he won't let me talk to the team, he won't let me coach. Think that I'm gonna get us to eleven and one. They'll kind of have no choice because I got It's like you got Sabin, you had Herbstreet, the national voices that were saying they should still let him coach, so then when he's on his way out he can do well. He didn't let me do it. It's like, Bro, there's no world, there's no world where that a d should let you coachy. The college will playoff, but they're inside that building. I don't care if it's Patty whatever. No, he's got to protect everything Ole miss And if you're leaving, Bro, you gotta go, gotta go, I tell you. Yeah. The Herbstreet saving stuff that was kind of blown up everywhere. They're always.

02:04:14
Speaker 3: They always they're working Sexton. Man, he is, He's the Ultiman winner and all of this, isn't he Yeah? Yeah, why why not stay at Ole?

02:04:23
Speaker 5: Miss?

02:04:24
Speaker 3: I'm sure at this point at all the boosters saying we'll give you all the money in the world.

02:04:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, money wasn't going to be the issue. One thing Lane was consistent about is money's not the issue for me. Like I talked to him several times throughout this, he always reiterated that he was dead serious about that. It's a big deal for Jimmy and CAA because not only I mean, look, there's a business side of this where when you're negotiating a deal, if you're Jimmy Sexton negotiating like a Keystone deal, which is going to impact the rest of the market, You've got like fifty other clients that are about to get a raised because of what you negotiate for Lane. So Lane couldn't have cared less about the money aspect of it. He's already made more than he'll spend in ten lifetimes. However, I think he desired to be desired for so long and he wasn't, and he sat at Ole Miss for a while. First off, he said it at Baman Fau, and finally he was desired enough to get the old Miss job. But remember, Lane's pretty old school in the way he looks at this stuff. So even if we're in the new age of college football, he still looks at the SEC the way an old school guy would look. And he's he's looking at the LSU job like Saban looked at it a generation to go. It's like everything's there. These are not his words, but I probably believe folks like him think I'm pretty responsible for the success that Ole Miss has just had, Like I am the reason this is happening again. Whether that's true or not, that's kind of the almost like the competitive narcissistic quality you have to have to yourself to think I'm the cause of this. You look at LSU and you think ed one one there, less one one there, Saban won one there. It almost seems like LSU's just built to win titles no matter who's there. I'll go there and enhance what's already just a rocket ship, and I won't have to do all that work. All I'll have to do is turn the spicket on and let the natural resources and the natural advantages flow and maybe I can win two or three at LSU. Whether that happens or not, I'm just telling you I think I pretty well articulated how someone like him feels about why he takes the LSU job.

02:06:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.

02:06:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets focused on more great at I tell you what. Twitter was fun, though, buddy, we got one right here. This from John tweets Sports. I made a difficult decision to leave my wife, who's been very loyal to me for a woman she despises. I was hoping to keep living in our house through Christmas, and I think like nothing was wrong. My request was denied by my wife despite the kids wanting me to stay through Christmas breaking down.

02:06:54
Speaker 5: That's a shame.

02:06:54
Speaker 6: And Lane Kevin would look like, would look at that say, how dare that woman?

02:06:58
Speaker 2: Yeah?

02:07:02
Speaker 3: Holy shit, that is a John tweet sports. That's a fantastic it's a fantastic, great Job's what you want?

02:07:08
Speaker 1: So you said something with John Somemraw Auburn. Auburn was wanting to put people around the programer around on his staff that he wasn't necessarily in the same room with, to keep tabs on him.

02:07:19
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's even worse than that, and this is a kind of slid.

02:07:24
Speaker 1: I got to kind of know why they fumbled the bag with John Someral.

02:07:27
Speaker 6: They had John John wanted the Auburn job. I don't want to gloss over that. Like in coaching searches these days, sometimes it's just let's go get the guy we think is best for the job, and he's going to take our job because it's the next step. John Sumral wanted the Auburn job because he wanted to be the Auburn Tigers head coach, and he just happens to be a really, really great candidate, so they had him locked up. There was also the DJ Diurkinside, who was the interim head coach there, and I think John Cohen, the ad had really become attached to the idea of DJ. He's a phenomenal defensive mind. They wanted to keep him there. If they don't hire him as the permanent head coach, they want to keep him there as the defensive coordinator. So you know, you kind of you maybe gauge John Somerral during your negotiation and say what do you think about Durkin and maybe some Morell's receptive to it. Maybe he says I like DJ a lot. You know, maybe maybe I'll have a place for him on my staff. That's okay. What's not okay is then taking that at Auburn to mean, all right, let's go ahead and extend DJ, and let's sign him to a new deal, and let's coach called John Somerral up and say hey, all right, he's going to be on your staff. That can't happen.

02:08:32
Speaker 5: It can't happen for.

02:08:33
Speaker 6: Many reasons, but two of them I'll give you is that makes you the ad the guy that Durkin's answering to, not John sumrall, because John Sumral's not the one who hired him or paid him. And secondly, you haven't even vetted him yet. You, the future head coach of Auburn, have not even sat down with this guy or these guys because Durkin's not the only one they were trying to dictate with and look them in the eye and pitched your vision and seeing that they buy into it.

02:08:59
Speaker 1: You didn't even do it. Any of that.

02:09:00
Speaker 6: And so if anyone's going to put conditions on you, with how hard it already is to win, if you get your way on everything, you're not taking that job doubly, especially when you've got other programs that are bidding for your services. So Auburn screwed themselves fantastically early mid point of last week. We go into the Iron Bowl Saturday. I was down there and it was grim, and a lot of folks around there thought we're about to have to elevate Durkin, and I think John Cohen probably knew he had screwed that up. But then Alex Golish turns down Arkansas because Auburn is on the table, and I think that they were able to salvage a situation to the point where I could easily see us three years down the road saying Auburn fumbled their way backwards into a huge win here. I'm very, very irrationally excited about the prospects of Alex Golish at that place. Sometimes, you know how you just get a feel like some places are just like puzzle piece fits. I would have felt that about John there too. These were both really good candidates. The market's going to be way higher on John than they are on Alex Goldish. You probably know more about some Raw than Alex Golish. I'm way high on John Sumraw I'm way high on Alex's Goldish's potential at Auburn. Those people probably had to google his name yesterday, but in time, I think they'll really really love him down there. Quarterback play has been abysmal at Auburn for like the past fifteen years, aside from a couple of exceptions, and the one thing I can promise if nothing else is quarterback play won't be an issue at Auburn. Maybe there'll be other issues, maybe you can't stop molasses in December defensively, but quarterback play will be really good under him.

02:10:31
Speaker 3: What I know, we ate Greg obviously in a couple of minutes, so before we get you out of here. During your show last night, you're still singing the praises of Matt Campbell. Where is Penn State is still looking for a coach. I think it's insane that Matt Campbell's not the guy.

02:10:46
Speaker 6: I think it's insane Penn State's swinging on them.

02:10:53
Speaker 3: About Auburn fumbling. I'm obviously an outsider watching, but like to have your coach fired in mid October and still be in the same position you are, and now all the coaches that people are like, hey, you should get these guys.

02:11:04
Speaker 1: Twenty four hours.

02:11:05
Speaker 6: Dude, Golden Miss had won four hours yesterday.

02:11:08
Speaker 3: Yes, oh Miss lost their coach like you, and he's like me, yeah, okay, I'll do it. And Penn State is sitting there, they're smoking SIGs in the bark. They're a head coach who they fired already has a job, and you have no head coach.

02:11:20
Speaker 6: And yet Matt Campbell is responsible for like eight of the ten plus five hundred win seasons in conference playing Iowa. Iowa State has been over five hundred in conference play ten times in their history. Matt Campbell has been eight of those ten years. Not good enough for us, though, we're not reaching out though we got things figured out. So things are cold on Campbell from the Penn State perspective. Yeah, Now, Matt's turned down several Like, dude, Matt could have had the Tennessee job, could have had the Detroit Lions job, could have had the Florida State job. There are a ton of big name schools that he's turned down. Yeah. I don't know if that's out there, but it is now. Okay, Now, Detroit, I'm told ended up being okay.

02:11:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in the NFL world, I know you don't want lines are in a bit of a spot.

02:12:02
Speaker 3: Ryan's are actually out of the playoffs right now, as of right now, as of right now, they're not good typically not good right now.

02:12:08
Speaker 1: Worked out with the.

02:12:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Penn State, who are they going after?

02:12:12
Speaker 6: I got no clue. Could be you, You could get a call later.

02:12:16
Speaker 1: I'm also, uh, I'm seeing I don't know how real it is. I'm seeing Hypel's name getting back in the I saw that.

02:12:22
Speaker 6: I know nothing about that. I'm not being what was he?

02:12:26
Speaker 1: Who is he connected to?

02:12:27
Speaker 6: Allegedly pens according to the message boards et cetera.

02:12:32
Speaker 1: Penn State and Big Measure, Yeah, big message, How can you not be? I was talking, I was talking with Josh, and I was like, Penn State doing a good job keeping this stuff quiet. Well, there's nothing to talk about. This some quiet, But they've done a terrible job as far as their search goes. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a fair point.

02:12:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, we knew Penn State was going downhill the minute Mitchig got a DM.

02:12:50
Speaker 6: Wow, m we knew.

02:12:52
Speaker 3: Okay, Penn State's in a bad spot.

02:12:54
Speaker 6: That's a good teast for Wednesday, Yeah, great tea.

02:12:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to talk more when we do the locker room. That's going to drive up Wednesday night whenever the playoff rankings come out. Josh Bate as always, thank you, bro broke down a lot of good stuff right there. We will uh, we'll see you with Greg olsen Ryno applause for Josh Bate. Black Friday betbtv dot.

02:13:13
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02:13:15
Speaker 1: Cyber Monday.

02:13:17
Speaker 3: Black Friday is done. That happened last week. Uh, coach Day. First off, let's give a round of applause for coach Day coming on the show.

02:13:26
Speaker 1: I'm glad he I'm glad he came on.

02:13:28
Speaker 3: They surety leadership the whole thing, especially the way I've talked about you the last year, which I'm not going to shy away from. I will say this before we start. I have said a lot of nasty things even after like the Spring tour. I've used the third base comment. I've I've said not a leader of men. And you know my opinion shouldn't and does not matter to you. However, I will say like I was wrong, and you you truly uh you beat our ass and you did it with humility. You did it, Uh you know the way Ohio State probably should have done it last year, and you have shown a you've proven me wrong, and I want to formally apologize for that because it's you know, it's one thing to make comments arrival and stuff like that and things that I did believe at a time, but for you to go I think it's sixteen and oh since the game that happened in Columbus last year. It shows how much of a leader you are in that locker room. And it's very impressive. So that is that's all. That's the last nice thing I'll say.

02:14:26
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Taylor.

02:14:28
Speaker 4: I got a lot of respect for you, and so now it means a lot and and but it's a tribute to these guys and then the program and these kids, and there's a lot of great life lessons, you know, over the last year of just life. This is life, right, you know what I mean. And this is the world we live in. This is the stage that we play on. And you know, you know, you get what comes with you know, losing games, and the only way to get it right is to get it fixed. Yeah, and you know we certainly you know, haven't got it fixed the last twelve months. But like we got to move on because we've got Indiana this week, and certainly we've got a lot ahead of us.

02:15:02
Speaker 3: What is the well I want to get into recruiting, Patricia all that, but you brought up the Indiana game, and we had Josh Payton on the show earlier and we're talking about, like these conference games really are losing, they're losing kind of the we're not really playing for a Big Ten championship. We're playing for a national championship. And if you have the one seed in Ohio State in the two seed Indiana, what's stopping you guys from just saying, Hey, we're gonna sit our best receivers, We're gonna sit our quarterback, and just be like, hey, the commissions already said they don't really care about, you know, conference championship games.

02:15:33
Speaker 1: Right, we're both getting by week, Yeah, we're getting you Like, why not just move on?

02:15:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of wipe your hands with this thing. Obviously there's a level of competition and all that that you want, But if the if the big goal is the national championship, who cares about a Big Ten championship?

02:15:46
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:15:46
Speaker 4: No, I hear what you're saying. I think they got to look at it for sure, but you know, we we're in it and we want to be the one seed. And I think everything matters when it comes down the stretch. And so you know, if you're just playing the numbers and you're playing you know, the trends, you know, you want to be in a situation where you're the one seed going into the playoffs. So so that's it. I also think there's a lot to momentum. You know. I feel like when you have momentum, you got to keep it. When you don't, you got to go get it. I feel like we have momentum. I want to keep momentum with the team and and these guys that did just competitive dudes that just love to win. And you know, winning a Big Ten championship does matter. It was one of the things that was on our list of goals. So it'll be a great environment, like it'll be you know, it's Indianapolis. Still have a great crowd. We'll have a great crowd. So you know, we want to win. You know, we want to be undefeated. We want to be the one seed. So that's that's that's what's motivating us.

02:16:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way it stands right now, like we're seeing one v. Two, We're seeing a potential preview of what the national Championship is going to look like. So I'm sure there's there's going to be that level of juice to it. What do you see with this Indiana football team? Coach Kirkzinetti, he's done a hell of a job in his couple of years there. They're on a role for Nana Mendoza, He's a very good football player, another great quarterback as well. And Julian's saying, what do you see with this Indiana football team?

02:17:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they they're well coached. I think they don't make mistakes. You know, in all three phases. They play hard, they have good fundamentals. Like I said, they don't beat themselves, and you know they have a plan on how they're going to attack. And they play fast. You know, like when you watch them on film, they are playing fast, they're playing downhill. You know, they're anticipating as opposed to reacting. And certainly, you know, having Mendoza there has has really just taken them to the next level. And so this is going to be a hell of a game and a really good opponent.

02:17:40
Speaker 1: Throughout the year. Ohio State's been categorized, you know, based on scheduling and everything else that can be boring, Like the offense isn't explosive until they have to be YadA, YadA, YadA. As a defensive guy myself, seeing what you guys have done defensively, which again that's it's hard to since since the defense they're not like you know, this attacking putting points on the board everywhere anything else. Somebody who appreciates defense losing coach knows to Penn State last year you had the number one defense in the country. To go out and get Coach Patricia. You've held every opponent to under seventeen points a season. Your first in points per game allowed was seven point eight yards allowed per game. What has it been like having coach Matt Patrician in the building. What has he done with this defense? And you got cats everywhere across the board? But speak about the defense a little bit because you guys, you guys crushed teams defensive.

02:18:28
Speaker 3: While you answer that question, I love to also hear about the process of getting Matt Patricia in your building as well.

02:18:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know when everything went down after the season, it happened in a point where it was late in January, so a lot of the hiring cycle had already gone through, so you know, kind of caught all of us off guard. And so one of the things that you know, I've learned in this process is like, don't rush into a decision in terms of your hires man like you, you have to get this right. And even though there's recruiting involved and a lot of things that come into play, you know, you know, we try to take our time on this and be really thorough and and the thing that you know, I was really trying to look for was somebody that would come in and work with the staff that we already had and be willing to really buy into our culture and what we're doing, because you know, it wasn't like someone was going to come in and bring in their staff. And we just won a national championship. We have a great defensive staff, I think the best in the country. And so, you know, I talked to some different guys, but Matt really separated himself one because of his background of i mean, winning Super Bowls and what he did in the NFL, and he's he's a former head coach in the NFL, and he's brilliant in so many different areas. But you know, I knew Matt. You know, he's from the Northeast like me, and so you know, we had you know, we were acquaintances before and but the more time I spent with him, I just realized, like how personable he is, Like he's a family guy, and I felt like he would fit our team and our culture really really well. And it's amazing to me. Like even when all that was going on, like I got a lot of just push pushback, you know, publicly, and like I just think so many people are now realizing what a special person he is. And you know, he's done a great job for the minute he got here and building trust, building relationships. He had certain level of credibility with our guys. You know, he he looks at guys like rvel Rees, Caleb Downs, you know, Kayden Curry, and he says, you know, this guy reminds me of Jamie Collins. This guy's like Ninkovis, this guy's like so and so, and so he kind of plugs them in based on the guys he's had in the past when he was with New England, and our guys just love it.

02:20:34
Speaker 5: Man.

02:20:34
Speaker 1: They eat it up that these.

02:20:35
Speaker 4: Guys love football, they love to compete, and they've just been eating up the football and that's that's what Mattie is man.

02:20:41
Speaker 1: He loves ball.

02:20:42
Speaker 4: But he's done a great job building relationships.

02:20:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a lot. There's a lot of criticism with matt Patricia and if it was going to work him going down to college, but on the offensive side of the ball as well, Chip Kelly he goes from college to the NFL. Obviously, both these both these coordinators have been made a big mistake leave Ohio State. Both of them are potentially out of job at this point. But you take Brian Hartline and he goes from the wide receiver coach to the OC. When we were in a hot in Columbus, we got to meet with Heartline. Energy, very infectious guy. I see him at the Texas Ohio State game. I go to give him a handshake. He looks like he looks daggers through my eyes, like you can go fuck yourself. And there's a lot of question marks, like is this guy gonna be able? He's obviously an incredible recruiter. The way you see the wide receiver room always line up like every great receiver in the NFL right now. Unfortunately went to Ohio State. But if from a play calling standpoint, what was that process like elevating him in house?

02:21:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he as you as you can.

02:21:36
Speaker 4: You can tell. And you know, he's a competitive dude who really maximized every ounce of what he you know, God gave him as a player. You know, he had a great career here at Ohio State and then you know, played for a long time in the NFL. And the only way you do that is by you know, really understanding you know the game, you know how to find edges, and that's that's him. And so you know he done that with the wide receiver group and now, you know, the next progression for him was being a coordinator. And I think a lot of guys just think like being a coordinator is calling plays. That's a big part of it, but so much of it is just the organization of the staff, the motivation, the organization of practice, you know, the messaging, the focus, like everything that comes with that. And so it's been great to be around that and watch it with him. You know, he's got a great staff around him. Tyler Bowen does a tremendous job. Keenan Bailey, Billy Fessler, Carlos Lachlan and and and having Matt on the other side of the ball allows me the opportunity to be there too, and and to help along the way. So I think he's getting better and better at it every day, and you know, certainly we'll have to be at our best here down to stretch.

02:22:45
Speaker 1: You have a great quarterback in Julian saying, why do you feel like he should be at the Heisman at the Heisman ceremony later this month.

02:22:56
Speaker 4: Well, I think he has the highest completion percentage ever for a college football or something someone told me.

02:23:01
Speaker 1: I mean, his accuracy that pretty decent.

02:23:05
Speaker 3: But hey, there's an argument that he's just throwing routes on air because the receiver have so much damn separation. I mean, the hater and me, that's the hater in me coming out a little bit. He's a great he is obviously a very talented individual.

02:23:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it.

02:23:17
Speaker 2: I mean, we have great receivers, but that's not his fault, you know.

02:23:20
Speaker 4: I mean, he's uh, he doesn't miss those throws by much, you know, and like you're you're right, like you know, Carnell, you know, did a great job on that route and the separation even you know Jeremiah's route you know in that game and that shot the other day. But those balls are like on the money, you know. I mean, he's just really really accurate. I think he's got a special gift in terms of his intelligence. You know, being around him every day, he's intelligent. He can he can handle high levels of information fast. And I thought, you know, in the game on the first interception, they did a great job with with with the guys there and and and they got him on that one, but like there was no panic because I know exactly what he saw and you know, he went right back at it. I mean, he's he's got composure and he has a toughness about him.

02:24:06
Speaker 6: And that was the I think he.

02:24:08
Speaker 4: Really had only played in the game that was like fifty degrees or colder, had never really played like any kind of elements. Now we've been practicing in it. But for him to handle that with the snow going sideways and just the way he played scrambled for a first down and handle it big third downs, I mean, he was he was excellent on third down. I just think that he's got some special gifts about him.

02:24:29
Speaker 3: Was there was there a piece of you when we went down and we drove the ball, we kicked three, and then the first throw we get an interception. Was there a piece of you had to be that was like, oh fuck, it's happening again. Of course there was, Yeah, dude, I was thinking this.

02:24:47
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we're gonna do it again.

02:24:50
Speaker 3: And then once we kicked three, I was like, God, damn it, We're never going to score a touchdown this defense. But what was going through your head when that pig happened.

02:24:58
Speaker 4: Well, the thing that never happened though, is like I just never panicked, and neither did anybody on the on the sideline, because like, there's just a certain level of confidence we had going into this game, and it was like, I can't believe this is happening right now, and that's just all right. Because we wanted to have a fast start in the game, Yeah, that was kind of something that we talked about going in. We always want to do that. Obviously, everyone wants to have a fast start, but it was something that we felt like it was important. So when it didn't go that way, you know, it was like, what the hell's going on right now? But when you went over and you saw what happened on the first run and the defense settled down force three and then the defense to go out there and not panic got all. I mean, they sprinted on the field. They were like, let's go watch this, and they got they got to stop and it's six nothing and it's like, okay, we're all right, let's put a drive together, go right down and score. And at that point, I think just the composure of the team, you know, and it's just the way these guys are, they're way they're wired. Nothing, nothing gets them, you know, rattled and so but but I think, you know, that goes back to our training and confidence that we we had going into the game and what we play with. But to say that, I wasn't like you got.

02:26:08
Speaker 3: The man when that pick happened, I was like, oh my god, I did.

02:26:12
Speaker 1: I was sit at home. I was like, oh shit, because.

02:26:15
Speaker 3: The chaos of I mean, you're you're mourning for the chaos. As a fan of Michigan and playing at Michelle, I'm like, if we can fucking pull this off again, this would be we might never lose again.

02:26:25
Speaker 1: Yea, we might never lose. I was telling you before I was so I'm so bought into the rivalry now, like obviously you get to see all the fodder, all the ship talking, like you got little kids doing the they're re enacting the flag at school for plays. Like this rivalry is so insane, And I was so bought in because it's like I'm sitting there, I'm in the fox ot you, I'm pulling for my boy. I'm like, Okay, Michigan wins, We'll get to see another year of all these antics, like all this stuff that everybody gets entertained by. But I'm also sitting back, like I know Ohio State is salivating to just beat this team's ass and coach obviously, you're in the business where it's all compartmentalization, goldfish memory. We got the next one. We got Indiana coming up this week. But just the initial emotion when you knew you had that game in the bag, and not only that, but having a twenty play driver where you're kind of pushing it up their ass a little bit and just in a fashion to say it like that, just you know that is what was happening. Yeah, there had to you know, it's almost like kind of not f everybody else, but like I knew we're we're this is what we're capable of doing to this team, and I'm glad we all finally showed up today and did it. Yeah.

02:27:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the first thing that came to my mind was why don't we do this last year?

02:27:34
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:27:34
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I mean, that's that's how crazy my mind works. And that's what I was thinking. It was like, I mean, how the hell did this this happened last year? You know what I mean, that's just because just the way that you know, we took the field and played in that game. You know, it's really how we've done it the last the last twelve months. But you know what, that's life, you know, and and you know, life comes at you sideways times, and it's it's all about how you respond. And and you know, I feel like there's times in that game where you know, just it didn't go our way, and so every year you try to identify what those things are to get them fixed. And and so you know, I often, like I said in the press, Cofference, thought about how, you know, I wanted to respond after the game, but I just felt like it was the right thing to do is just handle it with humility and and celebrate, you know, with our team, with our team in the locker room, and man, it was it was a memorable day in that locker room with with that team.

02:28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it.

02:28:30
Speaker 3: Surely had to be. After all, like the noise that took place this time last year, everyone like like Big from barstool and people like, yeah, Ryan Day's not the guy for this team, Like he can't beat Michigan. I think Cooper was also one and four against Michigan. He lost his job. You go win a national championship, Like there had to be borderline tiers getting this essentially off your back after going through all of that ship for the for like the last year.

02:28:59
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre that I think.

02:29:02
Speaker 4: But I think also like you know, in today's day and age, you know, there's a lot of things that get said and what you give energy to, you know, you control, and so at the end of the day, like you know, you can.

02:29:16
Speaker 1: Listen and.

02:29:18
Speaker 4: You listen to narratives, and you know, people want to run with narratives, and when you're at Ohio State certainly gets a lot of clicks and a lot of attention, and I get what people are trying to do. But like when you know deep down in your heart what's real and what isn't, you got to fight like hell to make sure that you know, you get out there and prove the people that care about your right.

02:29:37
Speaker 2: And the ones who don't wrong.

02:29:39
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's every day, right, and and so that'll be the same thing this week, every game, and every week's an opportunity to prove people right, prove people wrong.

02:29:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I was sitting there, it's like I have my popcorn ready the whole time, because it's like I just want a spectacle. And when you the way you handled it after the game, it was like, oh, I didn't even know. I'm sitting here thinking in my head like what option. Yeah, yeah, this wasn't even an option in my head. And when that happened, I was like, oh, dude, much respect, Like like that was I mean, you got our boy. We got a producer in the back, Mitch Carsley, who's been an Ohio State fan forever and he's kind of gotten you know, he's been a little a little fair weather at times, like not the most on the table for Ohio steaks. Taylor. You got Taylor Michigan man here kind of there's been some bullying going on tour. He didn't feel he felt a little more insecure about being an Ohio State fan because he didn't grow up in Ohio. But the way you handled after the game, it's got Mitch Carsley out here tweet like, I'm so proud to be an Ohio State buck guy. I feel like that's the inspiration. You've kind of spoken to the Ohio State fan base on the way you handled that after the game.

02:30:37
Speaker 9: Yeah, got this past game, like I like, like Will said, I've been bullied by Will and Taylor and thinking I'm a fair weather Ohio State fan, but I mean grew up going to two youth camps and like getting to meet you guys in person last year, like and actually and at the end of the game, you say we're winning this with humility.

02:30:53
Speaker 5: I'm like that, that's my head, coach. I just wanted to say thank you, and oh, all right, that's that's pretty You're not.

02:31:02
Speaker 4: You're not gonna You're not gonna a bully tailor now.

02:31:04
Speaker 5: No, I will definitely this one will definitely be held over his head as the last four, but held.

02:31:09
Speaker 3: But you'll do yeah, you'll with class, do it.

02:31:13
Speaker 9: With class, and like, hey, just know that we do when we win, we do it with humility. We don't have to flag plant or anything like. Just know that that aspect.

02:31:22
Speaker 1: Show show him how to be a fan. Okay, show him how to be a fan of a winning team.

02:31:26
Speaker 2: This is what it looks.

02:31:27
Speaker 3: Let's all just relax. After the game. After the game was over, I texted big ab Ohio, Tate, Leddy, George, and I just said congratulations. I did not text Mitchell Purpose. I was like, fuck this guy, dude, I saw his tweet. But yeah, hey, listen, you got it for me three sixty five. Just wait till next year, though, my right coach.

02:31:43
Speaker 4: Does right, I know, we got one year and then we'll be back at it again.

02:31:46
Speaker 3: Are we thinking, are we thinking maybe go to the NFL? Now, Like, let's get you out, let's get you out of there.

02:31:52
Speaker 1: Let's just beat Indiana.

02:31:54
Speaker 4: But will I will, I will say this that you know, just finishing up is just so that, like, you know, being the head coach at Ohio State's is a big responsibility.

02:32:01
Speaker 1: And obviously that.

02:32:01
Speaker 4: Rivalry game means a lot to a lot of people. So even just to hear you know, the pride, you know, of everybody you know at Ohio State. You know that that's ultimately what this is all about. It's pouring back into people, the players, the coaches, the fans, the supporters. Like that's what comes with this job, and it's a big obligation. And you know, when you come up short, you got to figure out way to get it fixed fast, and so that that's what motivates me and our staff here. So you know, it was a good day, but we got a lot of football ahead of us.

02:32:29
Speaker 1: Coach. We appreciate you joining us, man, Thank you for your time. Go in the Big Ten. It's gonna be a fun game to watch you guys in Indiana. Both awesome football teams. I can't wait to see how it unfolds. Good luck in the playoff, bro, and maybe we'll see you next year. Maybe you appreciate appreciate you guys.

02:32:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, appreciate you, coach.

02:32:47
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on to you guys. Yes, sir, okay you that was a nice surprise. Yeah did you guys?

02:32:56
Speaker 3: When did you guys know?

02:32:57
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like Ryan came on before. I was like, would you like to have coach day on for twenty minutes before the Cad and diego come on, and he said, just give me a thumbs up or down. I just put thumbs up. I had no clue until we were sitting doing our show already.

02:33:11
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, dude. You see all the stuff like the Lou Holtz after the Notre Dame game, the Congress thing, not letting Dave and Columbus and stuff like that, but this year, like I know, him and Pat McAfee had beef, and so he goes on Pat McAfee and for all the things that I said about coach Day. Yeah, and then him to come on two days after and you know, his ass is just quiet in the back of his head, like this motherfucker, like you gotta look at me in the eyes.

02:33:39
Speaker 1: Got his receipts.

02:33:39
Speaker 3: He's got his receipts. And I'll tell you what do I like Ryan Day? I guess maybe more than anything. I respect Ryan Day, I respect Brian Harline, Matt Patricia, Like, say what you want about that game. Like I didn't even bring up the touchback. Was it a touchback? Wasn't non a touchback? Because even if it was a touchback that it did not that would not have changed the game. So yeah, they beat our ass. Man, they beat our ass and I thought I was gonna have I had no choice but the respect but to respect coach Day for that.

02:34:08
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have to get knee pads for you there for a second the way.

02:34:11
Speaker 3: You was, yeah, that's that's a fun way to take it, but really it is like it's just like, dude, hey, he myself, myself, Dave, A bunch of people have said so many nasty things about him, and for him to just quietly go sixteen and oh and take keep taking on the chin for three to sixty five days then come on our show, it's like, yeah, dude, I I I have to essentially pay the piper and be like, hey, I said all these things, you've proven me wrong and I respect that, and oh yeah, dude, I mean there's no worlse can I say, hey, you're hey fuck you. It's like, okay that my team just lost twenty seven and nine and it was not even close compared to twenty seven night when may there be like, now, fuck you Ryan Day, You're still born third base, Like yeah, he was born on third base, but he still elevated his team and that sucks.

02:34:56
Speaker 1: There was that article two that I was telling you about that came out of last week or a couple of weeks ago, where it talks about the standard that Jim Tressel set. Urban Meyer comes in kind of holds that same standard, raises the bar. And then it's like Ryan Day who comes in who had had a head coaching job, and this is a guy that's not going to be able to keep the same expectation. And the article basically said everybody was right. He didn't keep that expectation. He elevated it because he's like the most winning is Ohio State head football coach in his tenure so far at Ohio State.

02:35:27
Speaker 3: And I mean you see the recruiting class, they're one and two every year they crossed the portal Like that's not stopping anytime soon. That's why in this video that I made after the Hosta Image game, it's like, hey, if you're Michigan, unfortunately the standard is your rival and that's a shitty position for you for you to be in, so you have to if we have the resources, now is the time to funnel in all of those resources into having a team with similar talented players and scheme and clock management, all those things like it you have to make a decision now to do that or you're gonna get less than the dust.

02:36:01
Speaker 9: I feel like you guys weren't. It's not like you guys are an untalented team, like you're just very you're just very young, because I mean last year they yeah, nine.

02:36:09
Speaker 1: And three, but like we'll see what happened to the boys.

02:36:12
Speaker 3: We're the youngest team in the Big Ten, like were the We're the youngest team in the Big Ten. That all those things are going for us, But to see the offense kind of sputter, like you want to see grow throughout the year. And there's a lot of times like Michigan should not be kicking a field goal to win as the clock striking zero against Northwestern. We shouldn't be in these types of dog fights, like yeah, we're we had a very talented team this year, Like there's it with six six freshman offensive lot or six freshmen starting on the offense, a lot of young talent in the back end of our defense. But like you could see the different levels of what's taking place from how to say Michigan and it sucks to say, like I am a Michigan guy, like I'm a guy that supports and loves Michigan, but like you have to be able to look at these things objectively and be like this is the reality. Like Payton said it best on his show, Like every team that's in the top ten have given you question marks throughout the season. All Hoilo State has done is given you answers, and that that's the reality, Like that that is the team to beat in the in the National Championship.

02:37:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look, I love your guys' rivalry so much because it's just so bizarre that you can win a Natty, but there's almost a real feeling of like it doesn't count because you didn't beat Michigan, right, and Taylor's second, we got to reload, Like the the standard is Ohio State, like beating it's just winning that game.

02:37:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you could legit go you could go one in eleven.

02:37:38
Speaker 5: As long as that one wins against Ohio State or Michigan. You do not care.

02:37:42
Speaker 3: You can go one and eleven at Michigan Ohio State and if you beat Michigan or you beat Ohio State, like it's all good.

02:37:49
Speaker 5: You said you said you beat Ohio State one time.

02:37:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was one in three against Ohio State. It was when Tressel got fired because of the allegations or he like stepped away and was it looke fickle he took over.

02:38:02
Speaker 9: I'm wondering, like as like a because you you guys don't do gold pants, right, No, we don't do nothing.

02:38:08
Speaker 5: But like obviously it's the.

02:38:09
Speaker 9: Biggest rivalry in football, Like what is like that feeling afterwards? Like did you were like, holy shit, we beat Ohio State.

02:38:16
Speaker 3: Dude, we stormed, We stormed the field. I remember, I'm like looking around like this is incredible. And like Chris Brown, my boy who played on the hockey team, he like grabs my shoulder. Bads were like hogging.

02:38:27
Speaker 2: It is.

02:38:28
Speaker 3: It's the best feeling in the world. It is the best feeling in the world to beat that team. Because literally, since you're since you step on campus, every single day you're something is mentioned about Ohio State. It's on o'clock when you walk in, it's in the locker room. Like I love that there's no trophy. I love that it's just like hatred, like we hate each other. I'm not even sure how, but like we just hate each other and you're just you drink the kool aid the minute you walk in. It's the only thing that matters every single year. Like Michigan State is an afterthought, Like I went and one and three against Michigan State, even going one three AGAINDS like years are an afterthought compared to Oha State. It's just nuts, bro, It's fucking nuts. But yeah they are with their exclamation point percentage out fifteen minutes out?

02:39:16
Speaker 1: Got it?

02:39:18
Speaker 3: What the fuck happened? I don't know, brother, that was crazy?

02:39:25
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they look Nebraska was I had a parlay going for Friday. Nebraska was the only leg to not hit. And it's getting to the point where it's like, yes, like I love you will, but like Nebraska is getting to the point where they're on the no bet list because they the amount of parlays I've lost from just them, It's like, look.

02:39:49
Speaker 1: I understand it. And if I'm you on, piss off too. If I'm you on putting them on the no bet list too, we have to earn your trust back, and unfortunately it's not gonna happen.

02:40:00
Speaker 2: Uh.

02:40:01
Speaker 1: The Bowl game, Oh, the Bowl game is everything.

02:40:09
Speaker 3: Bowl games don't matter for nothing.

02:40:11
Speaker 1: We might begin to I've heard rumors of potential Music City Bowl yeah.

02:40:15
Speaker 3: I think there was an article that came out that.

02:40:18
Speaker 1: I haven't seen articles like I've just had a couple of buddies texts like one's.

02:40:21
Speaker 5: It like projected right now it's Tennessee and Nebraska.

02:40:25
Speaker 1: I had a buddy text from Missouri being like, hey, it's looking like it could be Missoo and Nebraska and the Music City Bowl. I have no clue. I haven't looked at the list. It's dude, it's been brutal. It was brutal to watch. I don't know, man, I don't I don't have a whole lot of answers for you. It's it wasn't good enough. We're sitting here seven and five at the end of the year, failure of a season. I don't know. There's usually hope and optimism that I have to latch onto, and there hasn't been any over the last couple of weeks. Like we got killed from Penn State. But if you come out you beat Iowa, don't matter, not that it doesn't matter, but you finish off eight and four, you have some again, some hope and optimism on this team turning it around. Because I want to say, our record has been very poor in the month of November, probably different variables going on. And defensively, man, it's just it sucks to watch the way we are performing defensively. Yeah. I want to say over the last two games, like Penn State and Iowa traveled in our red zone like ten times and they scored nine of ten. Been poor and run defense. I want to say we're in the triple digits as far as rankings go.

02:41:38
Speaker 9: Do you think do you think if you guys won like two more games, Emma Johnson would like be invited to New York and have a legit chance of winning.

02:41:46
Speaker 1: I don't think New York, you know, a legit chance of winning. I'm sure he's up for like the Running Back Award and everything else as he should be. I think he's an absolute stud. Like running the football, catching the football, he does everything for Nebraska's offense.

02:41:59
Speaker 3: Hey, real quick, don't you don't get off this conversation. I don't want to keep talking about Nebraska. I just got a piece so bad, okay, okay, And.

02:42:07
Speaker 5: He had what it's one seventy at halftime?

02:42:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm crazy, Like he plays dude, we're gonna miss him. I think he's gonna probably go to the league hopefully. I mean, if he stays, that's great. It'll it'll always be interesting for guys who are mid round or lower round and n I L like, do you stay for another year? Get X amount more dollars playing? But as a running back, do you only have so much tread on the tire?

02:42:29
Speaker 4: You do?

02:42:29
Speaker 1: Like the ultimate goal is NFL and you're in the NFL second contract. As far as financials and everything else goes, Uh, we'll see what he does. You got the portal stuff with Roola happening, Yeah, gonna.

02:42:42
Speaker 5: As we talked about. Did we talk about that last week? Or is that news this week?

02:42:46
Speaker 1: Dude? The last week of such a blur.

02:42:48
Speaker 5: I think I think it was news this week.

02:42:50
Speaker 1: But yeah, it started to become news a little bit last week, and now it's gonna be it. I mean it's gonna be news. I don't know what articles been written out there.

02:42:57
Speaker 5: What are you hearing from the inside?

02:42:59
Speaker 1: Oh wait, till tall like a back on because I'm sure he'll want to ask questions about that. But yeah, dude, I mean, we got pummeled and it sucked.

02:43:06
Speaker 5: Fit was that Iowa was high scoring game all season by like a.

02:43:11
Speaker 1: Lot Yeah, in the Iowahaw guys man like they own us ten of the last eleven and you can't you know, there ain't gonna be like I'll be talking my ship next year when it comes. But it's one where you just gotta you just gotta tip your cap to him like they beat the rest. They are big, bro, there's no defense of the border, you know. George Kittle, he was, he was, He was hitting me up right away. Bruce Kittle, his dad's hit me up. I got the whole family, the Kittles hit me.

02:43:37
Speaker 5: Up about Robert Gallery.

02:43:40
Speaker 1: Robert Gallery. He's texting me. I forget what he said. I'm like, buddy, you need to take me to you need to take me on one of your what's it, what's the trip called? No be Gallery?

02:43:52
Speaker 6: Hit me up.

02:43:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, you gotta take me on one of your eye again trips like the trauma on PTSD I'm gonna have from these Iowa guys, like next one, next one that you host I need to be on. Yeah, he'd be puking my guts up, puking my pain and losses out from just the way we've been just getting pummeled these last.

02:44:09
Speaker 3: Two d The shitty thing too, is like this was your three of Matt Ruhle.

02:44:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were trending that way starting QB broke his leg. Yeah, I'm not here to make excuses.

02:44:20
Speaker 9: You were talking Taylor when you were off the the noise and everything of uh Rayola transferring if will was hearing anything on the inside, but he wanted to wait till you got back on.

02:44:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are you willing to say on? I know you've had conversations.

02:44:36
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't even know by the fight for this program harder than Willy. See, I know you know I'm on the end.

02:44:40
Speaker 3: You know I'm in there right. I'm saying we have microphones on price. I know that if we were microphones were off, you would tell me everything. Are you do you want to talk about that?

02:44:48
Speaker 1: On this I think he's going to be looking at options. Uh. From the standpoint of Detective Willie and all the stuff that was going on last week, it's in my mind when that Rayola stuff came out on Nebraska is bracing themselves to lose rail in the portal, and then I'm hearing all it's coming from the inside of Nebraska, and I'm thinking, dude, bullshit, what is the upside for Nebraska to want a leak or have any article written about their star quarterback, their starting quarterback. Yeah, that he's going to be available to the college football world two days before we play the Alwahaw. Guys, Like, in no world would Nebraska have that article get out there, especially for it to be phrased and framed that Nebraska is bracing Like, basically, I'm hearing from sources that article had zero credibility and substance because there was no quotes from anybody on the inside. It was just pure speculation. Or I've talked to a couple guys like, No, who who have you talked to? And this is the same gentleman. I forget his name, but it might be Chris something with a C. Chris Hummer. I think Chris Hummer. This it's the same gentleman that was on top of the It's the same gentleman that was on top of the leak of Raola potentially shopping in the portal last year being connected to the Miami Hurricanes. Chris Hummer at that story and that came out of left field that Dylan was shopping or that Dylan was kind of testing the portal a little bit, but Chris Hummer was on top of that one, and nobody else knew about that rumor other than Chris Hummer. And it's like, oh yeah, but they need to be focused on it. No, Bro, that leak got out last year because you're leveraging for more NIL money from Nebraska, which Dylan did get. And I'm all about the players getting paid. I'm all about these games. It's just don't make it seem like it's coming from inside Nebraska. But it's clearly not. Same guy was on the rumor last year with Raylan Miami and the portal that you know you're leveraging it up. Yeah, Adam Wells wrote Bleacher Report article.

02:46:55
Speaker 3: But he's Adam Wells, not a c to be seen.

02:46:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then also when this one come out, it's like this thing like this ain't coming from Nebraska football. I promise you that so, and I respect the games being played, but let's not act like, let's not all sit here and act like it's coming from inside the Nebraska building. It's not. Yeah, let's not make shit up and words and optics matter in that game, you know what. I'm sitting here like we've been in the league, we've been in, we've been in contract negotiations, framework reports coming out from certain guys, like all of that stuff matters. If it's coming out from Nebraska side, it's probably gonna come out from what Pete Nacos, I believe, or whenever he was on top of all the rules.

02:47:36
Speaker 3: So do you think this is Dylan doing this? Do you think it's somebody?

02:47:39
Speaker 1: Don't think I don't think it's Dylan doing this. Dylan's probably focused on getting healthy because he broke his leg, Like he's probably just he's probably doing his thing, trying to get his leg healthy. He's probably in a tough spot, like we've all had major surgeries, especially when our first one happens, Like there's some very lonely like I'm not this not at all coming from Dylan, but yeah, it's definitely coming, in my opinion, from Raila Camp Camp, the rail of Camp. Don't I don't know who, Like there's no names. I'm saying, Raila Camp. If you want if you are shopping, you are actively shopping, which I've heard is happening. If you're actively shopping, that doesn't come like all that and you want the college football world to know that Dylan is available, then you want an article out there like I'm saying if I was in this place and say it was it was my kid who was the quarterback, or if it was me and I had all this high level thinking about it all and the strategy of it all. If you wanted to get out there, you don't want to come from Hey, I am actively shopping while I'm still on Nebraska's football team. They're about to play the Iowah Hawk. Guys, my brother just decommitted last week. Like, I'm not wanting it to be. Hey, I'm doing all of this. You want to seem like come out a different way, and the way you want it to come out is the way it was written that Nebraska's bracing for Dylan to leave, like it's a Nebraska like a there's a Nebraska reaction from this.

02:49:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, because last year, I don't think I heard anything about Rayola shopping himself until after the fact.

02:49:06
Speaker 1: It's interesting, Yeah, like I had heard when that came out and when it was happening, But in my brain it's like like I again, I understand the game being played by players by the institution and contract, and hey, if we do have a really good quarterback. He could be looking at a lot of dollars out there, and we want to keep him. We need a pony up and pay for him so that way we can keep him. Because this is a kid like Dylan Raila makes Nebraska better. Dylan Railer makes Nebraska better football team. So yes, I want Dylan Raiola on the Nebraska Cornhuskers, big Dylan Raila fan. I'm more like just speaking on just the antics. I'm more in the lore of Nebraska football than probably a lot of people that are listening right now. But with the articles and everything else coming out and then fingers feeling like it's being pointed at Nebraska for having stuff out, this is where I got to just defend my squad. This is where I got to defend the turf a little bit because I want him. Yeah, because when Matt Rule was staying, what was happening right the boys are out there posting he ain't going nowhere, He's locked to stay. You want to shut this down, then you just public this end up. Hey, I'm not going anywhere. But that's not the reality that we're in right now, right which was.

02:50:10
Speaker 3: Just totally fair for Dylan and doing the situation My thought is is like, if you're in Nebraska, what do you do because you just signed rule to an extension. He got the funding and the backing that he means, go get get these players. Yeah, at what point do you pull a Tennessee and go, hey, we're not paying you anymore. Like you've got enough money. We're trying to win a championship. We need this money to go get other players as well to make you look better.

02:50:33
Speaker 1: Right, this is where that goes out of my depths. I don't know if he's wanting more money or if he's just wanting another place to look for me. I'll just be like, buddy, don't like this. Finish what we're building something. He's a pivotal part of it. Finish what you start. Don't run from the fight. Heel up, we need you recruit these guys, build this program. You're the guy. You're the kid that's gonna have a stats you.

02:50:55
Speaker 3: You're if you're a running back or receiver, a tight end somebody puts in the off side of the ball that gets the ball. You want to go to a place that you're going to be showcased. And if you don't have a quarterback or you don't know if the quarterback that you would be throwing to you would be there. It's very difficult to get these guys. Hey, we'll pay you two million dollars to come. It's like two million dollars is great, But I'm trying to make it to the league and I need somebody to facilitate me the football. And that's the issue that Nebraska's running into. I hate this feeling for Nebraska right now. I know and as a friend, as long as I've known you, it's never felt this dark. And I'm not I'm not saying that's I know you up. I'm not.

02:51:33
Speaker 1: I'm not.

02:51:34
Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is a very like uncomfortable feeling sitting here being like, isn't like is Nebraska getting better? Is there? I'm sure something's gonna happen in the offseason with transfer portal and recruiting class and all that. We'll be like, look at this, this is what we have to hang on hat out right now. It doesn't feel like there's something there to be like Nebraska the next step next year right as.

02:51:58
Speaker 1: Far as like progress seeing from where the bar is at right now, Like I one one believe Rule is the guy I just think we're going into an off season where there's a lot of games as game play versus finding these ways to push the boat forward. It feels there's gonna be a lot of recruiting that has to happen, potentially in house. I have no clue, but you're right and to the point, because again, when we were talking before the year or before the year started, and you said seven and five, and I'm like, seven and five would feel like a failure of a season.

02:52:26
Speaker 3: I'm sick to my stomach that we're sitting here in the answer of seven and five.

02:52:30
Speaker 1: But you were saying, this is like, hey, just one step at it. You know, it's one game at a time, one step at the time.

02:52:34
Speaker 3: I've already said that, I've already shook her hands said that's not good enough. Ye Like, I think I wish you never made me to shoot my hand because I'd be able to sit there and be like, hey, you're technically a game better like in four next year, nine to three, right, two.

02:52:45
Speaker 1: But I think you're in enough to where you can stand on the record. But my reaction to you having that record is like, no, bro, it won't be optimismly, it's going to feel like we're failing. And so that's where end the year seven and five. You end off these two asshole but we took from Penn State and Iowan and it's like, God, you.

02:53:06
Speaker 3: Know, I'm with you because you're You're right, like seven and five is not okay, Like you guys have gotten the monkey off your bag. From a bowl game standpoint, that was fun. We had a good time with that. Like bowl games don't matter. They don't. Some players sit out, they they go to the NFL, they they start to transfer. Like bowl games do not matter. And I said that before Michigan beat Alabama last year because bowl games don't fucking matter. So are your record seven and five?

02:53:34
Speaker 1: Well, if we win a bowl game, we will be eight and five, you know what I'm saying.

02:53:37
Speaker 3: That's why I disagree with you, and I understand why you would do that.

02:53:40
Speaker 1: For the mental aspect, well, there's teams like you're gonna play a team to where yeah, it's not like Michigan was seven and five last year and then they played a bowl game that they won.

02:53:49
Speaker 3: They were seven and five. Yeah, still they beat Alabama. I'm like, oh shit, this is awesome. But the reality is is half their team sat out, and a lot of our guys sat out too, And it's like, all right, Like that's if it happened in the regular season, I'm way more fired up than if it happened at a bowl game, Like the Citrus Bowl isn't fucking getting me from six to midnight.

02:54:12
Speaker 1: I feel what you're saying, because say, uh, Emmett is going to the NFL, right, and he sits out of the bowl game, then yeah, it's I'm thinking to myself, all right, we lose this game, like we didn't have Emmitt Johnson.

02:54:24
Speaker 3: It's an insurance policy, just like Alabama had an insurance policy last year. Like, yeah, a lot of their players didn't play, a lot of our players didn't play. But at the same time, it's like you're just having two cool logos play each other, Alabama and Mission. Oh this is dope. You barely ever get to see this. Ain't nobody gives a fuck really about that? No one, No one actually cares.

02:54:42
Speaker 1: You could if everybody in the locker room does, no if everybody played, Like again, if we need everybody for the bowl game and everybody has that outlook in the rally for the bowl game, absolutely to me, my brain film.

02:54:55
Speaker 3: My brain's on. Well, look what just happened to Michigan versus a hot state. How do we beat that? How do we bet when they already have a top three recruiting class coming in? We need to go fuck a bowl game.

02:55:07
Speaker 1: But you know, the bowl game, that's a disservice to the senior the guys who are still trying to play some ball.

02:55:12
Speaker 3: The bowl game is important for the fifteen practices. That's the most important part of the bowl game. That's the most important part of the bowl game is that fifteen practices. She has excel work. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch whatever game Michigan's in, and I'm gonna be rooting for him. I'm gonna be hoping they win.

02:55:27
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are, man no, But at the.

02:55:29
Speaker 3: End of the day, like whether they win or lose, I want to see progress. So Bryce plays in the game, or Jordan Marshall plays, or you know these receivers. I want to see Andrew marsh take a step. I want to see mcculey take a step, even though he's a senior, Like, I want to see these things happen. So I go. I'm really excited for next year because the bowl game doesn't matter record wise, it doesn't do anything for you. The transfer portal, the recruiting class, the development of players, the spring practice, that camp this season, that's what matters, truly, because no one's gonna look at the big bad morble. No one's gonna be like, yeah, but we got that, didn't we boys? Like if seven and five is a is not is not good enough for for Nebraska, then having a big bad Morbile victory doesn't mean ship.

02:56:19
Speaker 1: It's the bad boys.

02:56:24
Speaker 3: Nine three for Michigan.

02:56:26
Speaker 1: Hey, Pabbly, if Pabby and cater here, get it, get him in.

02:56:29
Speaker 5: This is separated for the episode.

02:56:31
Speaker 3: Okay, Brian Day's not four, No, he's for today.

02:56:35
Speaker 1: Oh I thought he was going on busting because then you just seamlessly talk through he's going on college football, and then they're gonna wrap get footage to Jared for him to add it, and then they went you guys over there with get a little bit of like oh I got you. Yeah.

02:56:55
Speaker 3: All that being said, man, all eyes on twenty six, like all eyes on January second. Then transferportal opens, and I need a lot of block ms next to a lot of fucking talent. I need everybody, transfer Portal, I need fucking everybody, Cam Coleman, fucking Ryan Williams, that kid from Clemson, bring them, I meet them, everybody, everybody.

02:57:21
Speaker 1: It's like, I know the feeling that I have right now, it's a sad feeling because you can't see the light. But where my optimism lies is in the month of December, when the headlines start coming out, whether it's transfer portal, recruits, whatever it is, it's going to be back. I knew, I knew that was yeah, that was gonna come down the pipe.

02:57:41
Speaker 3: The problem that Nebraska has right now is you guys have to beautifully orchestrate this chessboard between now and spring, like you have to handle the Dylan situation while also getting receivers grabbing a couple of defensive guys like it's gotta you can't just make sure your boat's good. You've got to optimize your vote.

02:58:01
Speaker 1: I agree. I think coach Rule. I think he is the guy for the job, and that job. I think he's gonna have hard decisions to look at him make, whether it's with staff, whether it's with players. That you have to do that self, scout, because he is like that is everybody's putting it into coach leading us to this national title. I know one movie did make last off season. That was Mike Eckler. Hey, coach eck Man. He's up for awards of special teams. Yeah, he is the man. Bro. I I'm so fired up that he's had he's had success that he's been telling me that. You know, He's like, once I get dude, Will He's teaching me about special teams. He's doing all these things once he got the job, and I'm like, heck, I hear you, Bro, I'm thinking best special teams in the country. I'm like, yeah, that would be awesome. But this could sell ice to an Eskimo, like he could sell anything.

02:58:49
Speaker 3: I would have. I would love to poach Eckler in Michigan. I would love to our special teams was all year.

02:58:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it crushed it. Man. I was fired. I was pumped to see the success that he's had this year in Nebraska, especially being a Nebraska boy.

02:59:02
Speaker 3: This is where this is where like sadness starts to creep in for your team if your team's not in the playoff. It's like, I'm really excited to watch these playoffs. Unfold, the chaos all that stuff. But this piece, man, it's like, I really wish it was August.

02:59:15
Speaker 1: Nobody we are, dude, this is prime.

02:59:18
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I just want to watch my boys.

02:59:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to watch my guy think about the chaos we have coming up. Oh yeah, we get to live in watch from the inside. It's like going into an F five and we're just sitting there in the in the eye of the storm seeing it happen. Especially if we get b YU this week, especially Georgia wins byu Wins Duke Wins, Like, people are gonna be going crazy, and we get to have on Pave and Cad a couple of boys. They're sitting there at ten and two like they should. Yeah, you guys deserve to be in. Absolutely, it also seems like they're not. It seems like they're not gonna be in.

02:59:56
Speaker 3: Kate's texting me last night, He's like, you think I'll We'll talk about with him on the show, but he's like, what do you think of this? Happened to that? And ultimately we have no clue, We have no idea. I'm no fu I thought Clark Lee was gonna leave. It's almost like, hey, you gotta get out. Clark Lee's gonna go. He just had an extension.

03:00:10
Speaker 1: I did no five top conference team that five conference champs got in. Yeah, the people are in fact checking me. I'm looking at the rules. I'm like, God, damn, I guess I was wrong on that one. Dude.

03:00:19
Speaker 3: The GF I just went to so dumb. The G five thing is so dumb. You need an extraordinary G five team to get in. And I know I caught a lot of heat on that. Fucking shut up.

03:00:30
Speaker 1: We caught a lot of love too, Bro, don't worry about the side that the loud minority.

03:00:34
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, when I would see a couple of comments, Andy'd be like these spoken guys like, no, dude, you're in North Texas, no disrespect. These are the big dogs. If you're twelve and zero and you're winning by like a point differential of like forty, you guys should fucking be in that thing. Because I don't want to see that squad against that squad. But I don't want to see a one loss North Texas team who lost sixty three to thirty nine versus some random ass school. I don't want to see jmuos eleven and one. I don't Tulane you lost your coach.

03:01:03
Speaker 1: And if so, it should just be one. Like to me, it's it comes down to you know, you look at high school football, it's one A all the way up to six A, right like there is levels and they've had a hell of a year to where G five is having a tournament, Like I'd tune in. I would say, who's gonna win the G five? The N I T I would love to see an N I T tournament just other classes. But yeah, bro, there's there's too many of these bottom feeder type teams, not bottom top of their bottom feeder conferences that are going to get into this playoff and screw out some teams that very much Miami, they are twelve best teams in college.

03:01:36
Speaker 3: You're gonna say, I want to watch Tulane an Oregon versus Oregon and Vanderbilt. No fucking way, no way, get bent you want to watch you want to watch North Texas and Oregon? Or do you want to watch Miami in Orgon? And I'm almost saying that because they're they're the ones that the five seeds, so they would play one of those teams.

03:01:55
Speaker 1: I wish we could be fluid every year at the playoff to where you just make decisions based on what everybody's kind of feeling, to the point where I'm like, okay, you know what, we have ten locks that are gonna be in the College Hope play there's gonna be two spots left. Let's get an eight team bracket. All these arguments, all these teams Miami, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, tex JMU, North Texas, Duke, Virginia, there's eight right there, or BYU for one of them and have them battle out for the two slots.

03:02:21
Speaker 3: Don't eight teams four? Yes, okay, I'm back with you.

03:02:25
Speaker 1: Two slots that go into their playing game of the championship winner that championship then goes out and plays Ohio State after their bye week. Like the easiest spot to be in for AHA State because team's got to play three more games before they get to them. And you want to earn your spot in the tournament, Yes, you got to go through this, you know, eight man bracket, get to the championship. That's the playing game to play Ohio State. That's how I want this game.

03:02:48
Speaker 3: Here's what I want. I want the eight teams to play. You get to the final two teams. Hey, guys, you're both in. We go to a gas station on a Desa, Texas, and we flip a coin and one whoever gets the coin tosses the eleven. The other one is the two.

03:03:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe maybe with the three you are argue for the SEC, right, it would be Texas, would be Vanderbilt, and then Bama. Bama loss the SEC championship, Just do uh.

03:03:18
Speaker 5: Texas and Miami.

03:03:20
Speaker 1: Right if you get outside, I'm saying that the SEC had one. They want to go full Texas football mode, like they know football the best secam.

03:03:28
Speaker 3: You do four teams, four slots, not eight slots. Four slots. You play one game. Yeah, and whoever wons that game, you two are in. You guys are in four slotsybody.

03:03:42
Speaker 1: But if Bama loses and we're arguing Bama Vandy, you know Texas, let's get him in a gas station. They'll just hit the flips. Ain't no curses. Who's getting in the tournament?

03:03:52
Speaker 5: Yeah?

03:03:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we will see you tomorrow for a bust with the boys that I don't want to stop tomorrow and well we'll carry it on when ever Diego and Kid get it here. We can ask them about bowl games. Yeah, because they were in a bowlgame last year Mornday. Yeah, there is in a regular bowl game. We can talk to him about it. We'll have a Kid McConnell account studolignment for the Vanderbilt Commodorees and Joy got Diego Pavia Heisman candidate one of three, probably going to New York. We'll have him on the bus tomorrow. See you then.

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