#551 - Bobby and Eddie on Musicians Who Died Tragically Including A Plane That Hit Ozzy's Tour Bus!

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode five point fifty one. This is about musicians who died tragically. And I think we were just going to do this as a segment and Eddie and I were talking about it and it ended up being like super interesting and yeah, it's tragedy, but man, there's one of these that we talk about that because we recorded this like a week ago and we really had no plan to release it on Halloween, which is kind of what happened. But Eddie and I have talked about it basically every single day since we did this. You know what I'm talking about? Which one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we went on a deep dive after this.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, I know. So remembering those whose lives ended in tragic accidents, sometimes just straight up murder, Buddy Hawley, Patsy Klein, Aliyah, artists who left us too early but can live on forever in their music. Here we go, Episode five point fifty one, Musicians who died tragically. We're going to talk about musicians that died tragically. Now this is one of those where I have the entire list that I made and you have nothing. Yeah, nor did you know what we're going to talk about? No clue?

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Speaker 3: So what comes to mind musicians who died tragically.

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Speaker 1: Richie Vallens, Okay, Buddy Holly, tell me that story. Man. They played the Surf Ballroom in Iowa. They were riding a bus, but the bus had broken down, so the heater wasn't working on the bus. So Buddy Holly was like, you know what, I'm going to charter a plane and three of us can or four of us can fit in there. And so it was Buddy Holly, the big bopper, Richie Vallens. I don't know who the fourth guy was, but I know it was between him and Whalon Jennings, and so Whalon Jennings and that guy had to flip a coin to see who's going to ride the plane and Whale and Jennings lost the coin flip but one because he lived. But one, yeah, one because he freaking lived. They all died in a plane crash.

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Speaker 3: So Buddy Holly, Richie Vallens, Bopper all make the list. So the rock and roll Pioneer will do Buddy Holly with songs like Peggy Sue, and that'll be the day.

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Speaker 1: He's only twenty two when he died. Yeah, they were all really young.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty nine, Clear Lake Iowa. It was a plane crash that also killed Richie Vallens and the Big Bopper. The event is known as the day the Music died. And that's that's exactly what happened, I think now, because listen, we fly private a good amount. I'm not getting on a four person plane.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: Now, with technology and planes even better than they are now.

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Speaker 1: They have small planes like that. Nope, and that's just for safety. I'm scared to do to that. And not to say the big planes don't crash, and all other kinds of planes don't crash, but it seems like the smaller ones crash a lot more crazy to think. Man. So, and it was snowing, and I think that that day, that night or whatever. So at least in the movie they were breathing. You can see the ice coming out. I know you're right in the movie. Was in the movie not sure about life. But they crashed, I mean immediately after they took off, so they didn't even get very far. I didn't know that on the ascent they crashed. Yeah, ye, as soon as they took off. Was it an issue with the plane in the weather?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, snowstorm, poor a vision, so not like a de icing thing the pilot couldn't see. Oh, okay, so there's two.

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Speaker 1: There's three, so Big Bopper, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Allens, almost Whalen Jennings. Name another one. Stevie ray Vaughn. Yeah, helicopter crash, right, yes, at I think he was playing in Wisconsin. Yeah, here was nineteen ninety Alpine Valleys. That was the blues rock guitar legend.

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Speaker 3: Was killed in nineteen ninety and a helicopter crash in Wisconsin after performing with Eric Clapton.

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Speaker 1: Really, he was thirty five high of his career.

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Speaker 3: The helicopter crash due to pilot error, specifically controlled flight into the terrain during a night flight. It was foggy and hazy. The pilot failed to gain sufficient altitude to clear rising terrain. So what I hear is there's mountains or there's something and he didn't get U high enough hit him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's hills out there, pretty big hills.

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Speaker 3: The helicopter was not equipped for the instrument flight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but yeah, Stevie Rayvon what year was that year on that ninety Wow, that's tendy. I feel like I didn't really even know Steve Ravon was until after all that I did not.

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Speaker 3: I think I started to know who Stevie Rayvon was once I started to see the old Austin City Limits clips. I think that was my introduction. Stevie Rayvon is playing on that show on PBS.

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Speaker 1: How awesome was he?

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Speaker 4: Dud?

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Speaker 3: And I didn't even respect it until I started to learn about the guitar and really the things I remember watching a clip of him. This is after I did have a respect for him, and I wasn't from Texas, so he also wasn't like one of my guys. But to watch him change a string out while playing, He's the first person I saw do that breaks the string and then he would string the whole thing electric while playing.

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Speaker 1: He would just rip it out, yeah, and then put a new one on it while he's playing. That was crazy. Yeah. And what I was so cool about his style was that he could mimic what he was singing with his guitar while he was playing. That to me was so cool when he would be singing something and make the guitar sound exactly like I was singing. I have a theory. My theory is because Stevie ray Vaughan found his thing. Like.

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Speaker 3: He obviously worked tirelessly to get better at it, but some of that is intrinsically a part of him, like to be able to mimic.

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Speaker 1: To be able to have.

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Speaker 3: There was a god given ability that walked alongside his extremely hard work ethic.

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Speaker 1: For sure. I think we probably all.

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Speaker 3: Have that in some capacity with something we just haven't found it.

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Speaker 1: I know most people.

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Speaker 3: It could even be like, I might be the greatest Tidley Winks player, yes, in the history of freaking Tidley Winks. Yes, But I don't play Tiddley Wings. So whatever that inateability is that I have at Tiddley Winks, I'm bouncing that ball at the exact time and scooping up to the right amount. I Since I haven't been exposed to what I'm so good at inside of me, I'll never know.

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Speaker 1: My theory is we all have that, and it doesn't have to be an athletic ability. It could be it could be surgery, it could be juggling. It could be looking and knowing what play like. It could be really electrician.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, yeah, But unless we are actually exposed to it, find a love for it.

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Speaker 1: We never actually know what we would be the greatest at dude. I'm telling you, having four boys in my life, four kids, I know exactly what each of them are really good at and what they're really bad at, you know, And and they've been like that since they were little babies. Like I know that my youngest, he is going to do something with his hands. He's going to build something like that's what he is meant to do. He's not a counter he's not a creative. He's good athletically like he's that comes natural to him. But he just loves building things like legos. He can build them, dude, without the instructions. But what if he came to you and said I want to do theater, I'd say give it a shot, do whatever you want, work at it. But I already know what you're really good at, and so.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say legos specifically. He's the greatest lego builder of all time, but he doesn't pursue building legos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I think we all have that in us. We just and sometimes we can even know and are actually really good at something, but we don't like to do it. So I think it's that perfect mixture of you have this ability you have a love for it that you would have regardless of the ability, and then a tireless work ethic to get better because I think a lot of people get good at something and they're fine just being good at it, not great because there is a different level of commitment to it. You being a personality, you don't think that's it. No, but you're damn good at it.

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Speaker 3: I would say one of the best, like ever.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I wouldn't argue that.

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Speaker 3: Just at just data, speaking with like what I've been able to build, even the money that I've.

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Speaker 1: Made, Yes, and what about like how easy it is for you to do it? I don't think it's that easy. As the thing interesting you make it look like it's easy. I think I think I'm really good at it, and I think there are certain aspects that probably come to me easier than I even realize are harder for some people. Yes, and that's probably tough to distinguish for folks too that can run fast, catch a ball. You don't realize that it is so much easier to you because you don't know the difference in other people trying to do it, So that could be a factor too. But even with playing the guitar.

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Speaker 3: And what made me think of that is that you said how Steve ray Vaughn could mimic that with everything else he was doing, even him singing that He probably worked really hard to get good at that, But who knows how easy it actually was from the start for him to have the ability. Even though we could do that, Yeah, it's just we can't get on each other's heads. Man, if we could, that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, would be dangerous. You imagine knowing what, like everything about someone just by looking at him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are probably advanced civilizations that that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Like if my wife what I was thinking, shared.

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Speaker 3: Consciousness, I think shared consciousness, know, you wouldn't be in trouble at all because you would understand everybody's consciousness and it would be a lot more common what you're thinking, just not sharing.

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Speaker 1: Good point, because they'd already know and.

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Speaker 3: It would be so common with everybody. We just don't talk about it, so we don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then we'd already know what everyone's like, right, Like that's Bobby, Like immediately you would know.

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Speaker 3: It would save a lot of time in the courting, the dating, and even like friendship.

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Speaker 1: Did he mean to say that now you know that you know the answer.

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Speaker 3: To that, you would not communicate verbally if that were the case, Like verbal communication would not need to happen if you could share consciousness.

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Speaker 1: And that's probably what animals do, honestly, dude. Animals just seem like they got it all together right. Like they come out when it's the temperature's right, they know where to go when the temperatres. Like my brother, he's like, I don't know, he's super sensitive with animals. When it's like freezing outside. He sees like a goose and he's like, I gotta take the goose in. Like, no, dude, they're good, Like the goose is good. They know what to do. The deer even though it's twelve below, they know what to do. They're going to survive. That to me, like as part of what we're talking about, they kind of got it all figured out. I think there's a lot of natural selection to that too, that the animals that have an understanding live the ones that don't die, even within the same type of animal. Oh, there are dumb animals, yeah, but they die, And so the animals that have that will just call it dumbness in them that they would pass down genetically. They don't live because they're dumb, so it doesn't get passed down anymore. So only the smarter one survived. That's how we're here. That would be me. I'd be the dumb animal. Well, I'm done, like we're It is a miracle that we are standing here today. Go ahead, think of the generations.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen generations above us where somebody had to live long enough to even have a child. Yeah, didn't die in a car, rag didn't die of what would be like a sid situation now with kids.

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Speaker 1: Four hundred years ago, whomever we descended from, the birth survival rate wasn't what it is now. Everything had to happen so perfectly for generations through one to the next, just for us to get here. And that's not even the first human that could walk up, right, we're just talking about oh yeah, yeah, like humans almost didn't survive. If the first human didn't stand up on two feet, it could see farther. They were being attacked more frequently because they couldn't see their attacker. This is the cave man in all fours. This is the all fours, and the first human they could stand up on two When you stand up taller, you can see farther. You could see your predators from farther, which would give you a chance to live longer. Yeah. Think about those people that can't, Like, at some point one of those was us, Like we descended from them, sure, specifically that person, because they had to have somebody have sent Like we got lucky that our people were the ones that stood up on two feet. Yeah, because the ones that didn't, they got killed by animals that could get a lot closer to them before they could run off. Yah, and that DNA is done. Yeah. So anyway, rock and roll people died a lot. Yeah, what about real quick before we move on, what about like the ones that tried the first berries, Like how did they decide, like, all right, Jimmy, you're kind of a dumb dude, try the berry first.

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Speaker 3: If you live, we'll eat it. My theory is this two things. One you learn simply through eating bad berries when people would die. Don't eat those anymore. A few people eating the green berry. They we've seen three people eat the green berry and they died, So don't eat So don't eat the green berry. I think that's the simplest explanation is the one part of it.

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Speaker 1: Sure. The other is I think the people lived that could eat the greenberry. Therefore, genetically they passed down other people that could eat the green berry, which allowed the green berry to be eaten, Like they had something in their body that could tolerate the green berry.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so that lived through, while the people that didn't have that didn't and didn't it be.

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Speaker 1: A green berry, could be anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the weaker always ends up dying, the stronger ends up living, and as the stronger lives and reproduces, it reproduces others strong.

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Speaker 1: This is dude, this is some deep stuff I see.

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Speaker 5: In addition to that, they would also watch animals and see if the animal ate the berry. If the animal died, they would not eat that berry.

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Speaker 3: Dude, that's like Hitler stuffhere. You'd have somebody like test this food out for him.

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Speaker 6: Before berries. You want to berry, try the green one. But yeah, it's it is very fortunate that we are even here today. It is a classic classic luck.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big luck guy, but I have no control over things that happened for fifty generations. Enemy.

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Speaker 3: We are very lucky to even exist because so many things had to not go tragically wrong.

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Speaker 1: Forever.

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Speaker 3: Every single level of person we descended from pretty amazing. It's crazy when you think about it like that, mathematics.

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Speaker 1: I think about this all the time, all the time. I didn't prepare that. In No, I didn't think so. I didn't we were just going to talk about dead people the way you just rolled off your tongue. I didn't think you just came up with we.

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Speaker 2: Had to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: I also don't know that I'm right. No, But it's a good conversation and it's funny, like I've never ever thought about that, Like I've never thought about I thought we all survived, you know. I didn't think about the ones that you know, couldn't handle those those whatever environments or those.

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Speaker 3: Weather conditions, viruses, different types of food.

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Speaker 1: We are survivors.

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Speaker 3: Well, our descendants had to survive for us to get here. It's amazing, but survive or our descendants thrived where other people had to either survive or die because genetically, some people are just stronger than others and or parts of them tolerate other things better than others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, that goes to my whole.

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Speaker 3: Theory that could be absolutely inaccurate, that we have something inside of us that we are so naturally great at. And I think a lot of my resentment from growing up in a school that didn't have many sports comes from going, man, I wonder what I would have been good at because we had football and basketball. We had baseball, but we had to play at a different school's field. Our baseball programmer leading get started till I was in like ninth or tenth grade.

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Speaker 1: That's all we had. There was nothing else. Do you think that could have been it?

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Speaker 3: No, but it had have been cool to have. Like when I think I like rich kids sports, I think like lacrosse, yeah, right, swimming?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What if you were good at all that? What if I was pretty good at any of that? Like look at Michael Phelps's body.

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Speaker 3: Obviously he is a different kind of animal because he is extremely athletic, no doubt about it, But he has built his torso is so extremely long. That's not the torso of a tight end, right, That's the torso of a swimmer. And if swimming is not available, then you probably are just a guy with a low torso.

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Speaker 1: Who's accounting? You know?

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Speaker 3: But I used to think about that, like, man, if I do went to a school with more resources. I wonder if I would have been good at something else, not even just sports related, even you know, academically.

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Speaker 1: I think it's so cool too when people find out what they're good at, you know, Like like even my oldest son, like he he's he found out that he's a good writer. He never wasn't a writer, Like he just didn't didn't think that was his thing. But then you know, one day he's like, let me just try writing, and then he ends up loving it. He's good at it, and that's that click says something really good, Like you're talking about Steve ray Vaughan, Like, can you imagine, just like you know what, I'm pretty good at guitar, Like a lot of people pick up the guitar and they're not that good at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say most people pick up a guitar and it's awful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you quit on it. It hurts. It is not easy.

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Speaker 3: Piano, and I tried to learn piano as an adult, really difficult.

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Speaker 1: It's frustrating when you're not good at it, as is anything. I think I like it people find something they love because I think you can get pretty good at anything with enough work and passion for it, and if when that love comes to natural ability and those three things, that's like the holy trinity of success is the thing that you love doing it, like that's the most important part, working hard, and then you happen to be naturally gifted at it. Yeah, all three of those come together you win.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and that you know, that's probably that's these people that transcend with whatever skill.

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Speaker 1: It could be sports, could be music, could be acting, could be science. You know, different thinkers. What's cool about the list you know of these artists that died tragically? You wonder too, like where they would be in their musical careers. Would they even still be playing? You know, would they or would they still be awesome?

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Speaker 3: I think there's enough of I think there's enough of the Paul McCartney's, Elton John's that lived. They kind of show us what the greats end up doing when they get older. They just stay great for that period that they were exceptional and live off of that. Because I don't think because trends, technology, sonic changes in music, I think all that shifts so much it's hard to stay extremely creatively relevant. But it is not hard to stay awesome. If you were awesome at one point. So I think if Buddy Holly had lived, Richie Balance had lived, we could go through this list Stevie ray Vaughan had lived. I think they would be so respected and they would be still awesome. But it wouldn't be because of the stuff they're doing today, because there are young people now doing today what they were doing when they were young. There's rarely an old person that's still doing awesome stuff. Like can you think of an old person that was awesome way back in the day that's still doing amazing things musically because music changes so much.

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Speaker 1: I think acting is different because there are old people who actually get better as actors, because you can be an old person in a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Harrison Ford's still good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and uh, because it's like five of them, what's uh say Bette Midler, She's still alive.

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Speaker 2: She's still alive.

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Speaker 1: She's pretty good. Yeah. Well, and the actress Martin Shortz's girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: Oh uh, she's like the most famous act girl street thank you, like excellent.

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Speaker 1: But I think acting is.

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Speaker 3: A little different than music because music is always young young to start. I mean, Paul McCartney's still that you put something out nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: No, But when he did that thing with Rihanna and Kanye that was cool.

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Speaker 3: One song wasn't even a hit. It was cool for a minute.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a hit. Oh that was a jam, dude. But that's my point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're still amazing for the their relevant era. I think that's probably what would happened with these people, even like the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: They're not really coming up with anything new.

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Speaker 3: They were amazing, Yeah, and they were amazing and they still are amazing, but it's not because of the amazing new material they're creating. I think that's my answer is I think it'd be the same.

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Speaker 1: Although Snoop Dogs still pretty good. He's old. I thought about Snoop Doctor Dre.

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Speaker 1: Who else comes to mind? Patsy Klein, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Virginia Patterson Hensley, the country icon known for Crazy and I Go Walking After Midnight, died in a nineteen sixty three plane crash near Camden, Tennessee, while returning home from a benefit concert.

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Speaker 1: She was just thirty years old.

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Speaker 3: She was killed along with pilot Randy Hughes and fellow country stars Cowboy Copus and Hawkshawherkins Hawkins, Hawkshaw Hawkins.

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Speaker 1: I can't say I know.

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Speaker 3: Much Hawkshaw Hawkins, but I'd like to apologize for messing up his name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those guys. They found his boot really and it's just one of those tiktoks that pops up, you know, like of just music history. That was a movie I saw recently on this because I didn't know much about Patsy Klein. But yeah, another small plane dude, one of those four passengers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anybody, I have a lot. I'm not gonna sit here and let me think, let me think, hold on, I just want to know until you tap out. Jim Crochy yep. The thing about Jim Crochy to me, it's very Golden Girls esque, and I think, let's look up the age of Jim Crochey when he died. But I see the Golden Girls, and when I was a kid, the Golden Girls, they were like eight hundred years old, and now you look back and you were like, oh, there were like fifty three. Yeah, yeah, h Jim Crochy always looked like he was seventy super old.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that he had gray hair or anything. He just looked old. How old was he when he died?

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Speaker 2: Years old?

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Speaker 1: Oh he died. That's crazy, dude. He's a golden girl to me. Like he again, he died before we were born, because he died in nineteen seventy three, but he looked so old, and I thought, oh, Jim.

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Speaker 3: Crochy, Wow, I had probably had a great career. Died probably like in his sixties. Never got there.

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Speaker 1: When you when you found you know, heard about Jim Crochy, did you know he was dead? Yes? See, I did it. I found out maybe five years ago. I was just like going through I don't know, you know, you have those playlists that you just listen to, and like it was like I think it was acoustic acoustic music or whatever, and he pops up and it was Operator and I'm like, god, this is a jam. And then I started leaning that was a jam. I went through all of these Jim Crochy songs of like, you know, time and a bad or is the Time in a bottle, bad Leroy Brown had bad Leroy, all these dude, and then I'm like, let me read about this guy, and like, oh, he's dead. And then you're like plane crash, Oh my gosh, so far we're all plane crashes by the way. Y, Yeah, well that's what when you get rich in musical you start traveling around and you're in these little planes. But yeah, the singer songwriter behind songs like I'm in a Bottle was killed in a nineteen seventy three plane crash in Louisiana, just as his career was taken off. The crash killed six people, including Croachy, his guitarist, and the pilot. The probable cause was the pilot's failure to see obstructions due to physical impairment and fog. But yeah, I had a Jim Crochey phase, like a six month phase where that was probably the artist I listened to most. Well, how long ago is that? Like when you were young in my twenties? Ok? Gotcha? Yeah? Like I loved and then bad.

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Speaker 4: Bad Leroy Brown baddest man in the whole day in town, bad.

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Speaker 1: Than old King Come. He was a Meana, then a junkyard duck bud. Like was that because your grandma, my mom, your mom? Yeah, listen to that a lot, and so I liked I'm a big ballot guy. But for me, it wasn't even the guitar plan was. For me, it was awesome, Like I like.

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Speaker 4: You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spin in the wind, you don't pull the mask off to your low ranger in, you don't mess around with gym boo boo bo doo doo doooo doo doo.

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Speaker 1: Those are my jams. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay, So okay, five of them all plane crashes. They're not all I'm saying so far. So I'm gonna get away from plane crashes. Is you shouldn't, but I shouldn't. There there's definitely more plane crashes. I mean, is the Leonard skinnerd Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ronnie Van Sant, Steve Gaines, and Cassie Gaines, three members of the Southern Rock Band, died in nineteen seventy seven plane crash in Mississippi going to a show.

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Speaker 1: They ran out of fuel, which is crazy, and.

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Speaker 3: The crashed in the woods. They ran out of freaking.

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Speaker 1: Fuel and they had to land in like a forest or whatever. But they ran out of gas. Insane.

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Speaker 3: Yep, uh yeah, near somewhere Misissippi. I don't know anything about planes, but says the conver CV two forty passenger aircraft. So my thing is, I don't know how big of a plane that is. But I can't believe they ran out of gas. The only reason that I could see running out of gas is that you come across a storm and like, well we have to go around it and you but then you land somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, or the gauge.

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Speaker 3: Just talk about the gauge being all, but yeah, I didn't think about the gage being all.

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Speaker 1: You know, the gauge doesn't work. We put all our trusts on the gauge. If that's not working then and I've had cars with the gauge. It didn't work for sure. Where you're just always trying to remember how full it is. Yeah, it was a pretty big plane. It is a forty passenger plane. Forty forty. Yeah, I remember it was so bad. That's a big plane. I remember it was so big that one of the survivors was talking about how who was the main guy, Ronnie Ronnie van Zen. Ronnie was laying in the aisle on the ground because he was exhausted. He took a nap and he just like put his hat over his head and was sleeping in the aisle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty others survived.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe they ran out of gas because again, the thing I would think of would be your flying around because of a storm. But at some point it gets solow. You've got to find an airport to land to refuel unless the gas gage is broken.

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Speaker 1: You're right, or no, I don't, I don't. I don't know what else now. I don't know, Mike. You may be reading about it, but like I feel like they were circling. I read about this maybe three years ago, where like I went deep dive, but I don't remember, like what, Like.

00:26:25
Speaker 3: You get to an airport and new circle because there's issues with the airport, but then you know what you do after a minute, you go to another close airport. There's always a close, even small airport around. I don't know the whole story to this, but.

00:26:35
Speaker 5: The crew didn't monitor the fuel supply and then there was an engine issue causing them to lose more fuel.

00:26:42
Speaker 2: They were losing it at.

00:26:43
Speaker 1: Around and they'dvertently dumping fuel. Dang wow, But people survive that plane? Huh? That plane crash? Yeah? Twenty people now forty?

00:26:51
Speaker 3: Is is that like a American mind is blown? Okay, great question. Yeah, it's kind of a plane that's not like a Southwest but when you have to do like a puddle jumper. Yeah, when you're landing in Wichita, I would say it's similar to that.

00:27:04
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, dude.

00:27:06
Speaker 3: I can't believe they were in of a guess, but it makes sense if an engine was broken, because there there's always an airport somewhat close, even if it's a small one to land.

00:27:16
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, you're up again. Selina on the list, seland on Selena.

00:27:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has obviously not a plane crash.

00:27:26
Speaker 1: Tell that story, Selena. Man. She was meeting with her fan club president, Yolanda Saldivar was her name, and she said she had been stealing a bunch of money from the fan club and so not. I'm not sure if she was meeting to tell Selena that like she had stolen the money, or Selena was going to confront her about stealing the money. But they met at a hotel and Corpus Christy and Yolanda shot her. I know the story through the movie Again.

00:27:57
Speaker 3: In Arkansas, we didn't have a relationship with Selena as like you from South Texas.

00:28:02
Speaker 1: Oh, dude, in Texas went I'm sure it was a massive deal. When she died. It was like everyone school's done, Like everybody go home, like Selena died, and everyone's like Selena died, like what the big deal.

00:28:13
Speaker 3: The belove queen of to Hano music was murdered nineteen ninety five by the president of her fan club at age twenty three. Her death shocked fans worldwide and inspired the film Selena, starring Jennifer Lopez. Selena was shot and killed by her it says former manager. But also, I know it was her fan club, presidence.

00:28:27
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a manager.

00:28:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it was a fan club. P Yeah.

00:28:32
Speaker 1: Maybe at one point she was kind of a manager. You're right. Her name's Yolanda Saldivar. March thirty first, nineteen ninety five, after a confrontation about Saldivar embezzling money from Selena. The shooting occurred at a daze in and Corpus, and Selenda died from blood loss after being shot in the back.

00:28:48
Speaker 2: She managed some of her boutiques like stores.

00:28:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, because she was Yeah, yeah, Selena was doing some fashion stuff.

00:28:55
Speaker 3: Pardon my ignorance. I know two Selena songs and that's it.

00:28:57
Speaker 1: Come on, are the Spanish ones? Well, I know, you know the English one, Yeah, five, fall in Love, some dream of You Tonight and hold You? Yes, I know that one. Is there another one?

00:29:17
Speaker 2: Could?

00:29:17
Speaker 1: That's it all in? I know that one not okay, so you know the two English ones. But then I know titty bang bang No no, no, no, no, titty bang bang no no no, bad bad bom bom close. But I've heard that one like I know that.

00:29:32
Speaker 3: If I heard it, I would go, I know that's Selena, but I can't sing it back.

00:29:35
Speaker 1: Obviously. I thought the name was titty bang b d bad boom. Yeah. I get that one, though, mixed up a little bit.

00:29:41
Speaker 3: With hold on, hold on, she bangs no, Yeah, but it's it's a Ricky it is Ricky Martin song, but it's not she bangs.

00:29:50
Speaker 5: Uh, take your bombs, thank you. I knew I was trying to take it down. I've already said some stupid stuff, so I didn't want to go.

00:29:59
Speaker 1: Even deeper into the stupidity of it. Yes, I saw Selena live when I was probably eleven years old. We were a Fiesta Texas in San Antonio and we were with another family and some of the older brothers of the other family were like, hey, Selena's playing let's go, and like, I don't know who that is, but well let's go. That's cool. Though you saw Selena, Dude, it was so cool. And I'll never forget her butt, like not kidding, like when even eleven years old, and I'm like, wow, a nice butt because even in the movie it was like we got it. I mean, we got to talk about her butt. It was a big deal.

00:30:34
Speaker 2: Where were you born, Mike anyone?

00:30:36
Speaker 1: So you don't remember her death?

00:30:37
Speaker 2: I do remember her. That's how I learned about death.

00:30:39
Speaker 1: But you were four.

00:30:40
Speaker 2: I still remember that day.

00:30:42
Speaker 5: I remember watching the news, and I remember that day I wore a Selena t shirt.

00:30:46
Speaker 1: Wow, don't you remember people talking about Selena died like it was he was four.

00:30:50
Speaker 5: I don't remember that much, but I remember I was watching it on the TV, and then I remember I was watching like a documentary on the news.

00:30:56
Speaker 1: Is that one of your first memory?

00:30:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of my first memories ever is when Selena died because I love Yeah, that didn't move Fassa.

00:31:03
Speaker 2: Dying is how I learned about death.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: Dang spoiler alert, Like why would he get up? All right? All right, all right, we got some more. Okay, Okay, John Lennon.

00:31:17
Speaker 3: I did not put John Lennon on this because he was murdered, but also I do have other people that were murdered.

00:31:23
Speaker 1: Helena. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't put John Lennon on this list. You've never liked John Lennon.

00:31:28
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't like John Lennon. I do like John Lennon. I'm fine with how about this, I'm fine with John.

00:31:32
Speaker 1: He's not your favorite Beatle. He is just shocking them. He's not. He's my third favorite Beatle. Oh that's even more shocking though, you know, Paul McCarty's my favorite.

00:31:39
Speaker 3: George George Harrison third or second, because I feel like they didn't give him the respect he deserves. Correct, not even because he was so instrumental in the Beatles. I feel like he could have been because man, did he do some great stuff after the word.

00:31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So what about Ringo though? Had he move up in the ranks since you've hed with him? Absolutely?

00:31:57
Speaker 3: And for so now John's fourth the main reason, Yeah, you're right, I should have put him on the list.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: That was an oversight by me.

00:32:07
Speaker 3: But yeah, he was murdered by his fan to nineteen eighty maybe We just talked about it on the show too. When I made the list, we didn't talked about this. Now I give another one.

00:32:16
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, let's see. I think I'm out. Man.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: You know, all of these will make sense to you. But if you're out, I'll then.

00:32:26
Speaker 1: Go to the list.

00:32:28
Speaker 3: You'll know how they I'll just ask you the person, So if you can identify how they died, they died.

00:32:32
Speaker 1: Jeff Buckley, oh, drowned And he didn't write it because Leonard Cohen did Hallelujah, Hallelujah, but he made it famous. Yeah. Man, but that album, the Grace album, I think it's called Grace. Yeah, his only album, so good cold classic. Yeah, there was that song kind of re famed itself.

00:32:56
Speaker 3: During American Idol because everybody kept singing it over and over again.

00:32:59
Speaker 1: Really hell, so what brought it to American idom? Was it Jeff Buckley or Shrek? It's in Shrek?

00:33:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in Trek.

00:33:08
Speaker 1: Who sings it? Shrek? Some I don't know that I've ever.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: Seen the character singing it, but I remember the scene.

00:33:14
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, my kids singing it, and I'm like, how does he know this? And then I realized it was Shrek, but I don't know who sings it in Shrek.

00:33:22
Speaker 3: Never seen Lion King, never seen Shrek. I have a feeling I'm going to though, now that we're a kid. Oh, you're going to see all the cartoon The how Lujahs singer drowned accidentally in nineteen ninety seven while swimming in the Mississippi River. He was thirty and Grace is his only album. He was awaiting on the arrival of his band from New York and he drowned while swimming.

00:33:44
Speaker 1: Now you've seen the Mississippi River, I wouldn't get in it.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: I don't think it's so wide the parts that i've seen it's I don't know how you get in that and don't get swept down hundreds of yards at least.

00:33:56
Speaker 1: That current looks crazy. I don't care where you've seen it. You've seen it in Mema, I you've seen it Inssissippi, You've seen it anywhere, like in Arkansas. Like it's it's it looks like a river. You do not even want to get close to the place. And that's my.

00:34:12
Speaker 3: Relationship with it, because I have seen it a lot. It's so thick and strong, but I don't know that it's like that everywhere.

00:34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like maybe there's an area where it's not. I don't know, man. I just remember reading this story and just being like, why would he go swimming in the Mississippi River? Like it doesn't seem real? And I know that's all. That's a constant like conversation of like, well, did he mean to did he? Did he not? Did he want to not live?

00:34:36
Speaker 5: Like?

00:34:36
Speaker 1: Did he? Oh? I thought he just push him in or that? You know, just no, it just doesn't sound like somebody would just want to go swim in the Missisippi River. Oh's reading? Oh, plane crash yeah, before he got famous, crazy yeah, known as the King of Soul.

00:34:51
Speaker 3: I was reading died at twenty six when it was plane crashed until Wisconsin Lake in nineteen sixty seven, sitting on the dock of the baby was released after he died.

00:34:58
Speaker 1: Is that the lake we walked on? That's the lake? I think that's the lake we walked on.

00:35:02
Speaker 8: I don't know, but I was talking with I was having a meal with the Kansas head football coach, coach Laphold, and he coached at Wisconsin Whitewater before he went to Buffalo to coach before he went to Kansas to coach and I was like, I can't it, can't do Wisconsin.

00:35:17
Speaker 3: I was like, I loved it there, that people are awesome, but I don't do cold.

00:35:22
Speaker 1: It's so cold. And I said, Wisconsin is the only place that I told him. You and I were driving by and we saw like a jeep on the on the water, multiple on the lake, and we were like what and edit you ran out there on top of it. I was like, you can walk on that.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: They're like yeah, and he was like, man, people used to like build like a big nice tent, not just a tent, but like a real like a semi permanent, not permanent, and they'd do it and they'd cut a hole and they'd have like Wi Fi and they'd stay there for like a week on the on the frozen lake.

00:35:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. When we saw the cars on the lake, that blew my mind.

00:35:52
Speaker 3: Shout out to all you guys that can actually live with this, yeah, because I can't do it. Next up Troy Gentry helicopter.

00:36:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:36:02
Speaker 3: Half of the country due to Montgomery. Gentry known for my town something to be proud of where I come from. He was killed in the helicopter crash in twenty seventeen in Medford, New Jersey.

00:36:11
Speaker 1: We lived here while this has happened. Yeah, he was praying for a concert when the aircraft went down shortly before takeoff. He was fifty years old. I never met him, I did. We have similar people that we work very closely with, is why I met him. They were rocked.

00:36:28
Speaker 3: My people on my team that worked also with them when this happened, they were rocked by it. And I'd only met him a couple of times, so personally I didn't know him that well. So I wasn't personally because I didn't have the relationship, but they were so obviously.

00:36:41
Speaker 1: That affected me. But yeah, beloved beloved in town.

00:36:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of airplanes and helicopters, though so far this one not as famous. But I think you'll probably know. I think you'll know who it is.

00:36:53
Speaker 1: But Randy Rhodes, oh yeah, yeah, he was the guitarist for Ozzie Yeah. Plane crash YEP nineteen eighty to He was on a small plane. The planes wing clipped the top of the band's tour bus. WHOA like how when it was taken off? Oh maybe it clipped it before it took off and then didn't realize they clipped it.

00:37:15
Speaker 3: The accent occurred when the planes wing up the top of the Vand's tour bus, causing it to crash. He was twenty five and consider one of the greatest rock guitars ever.

00:37:22
Speaker 1: Oh I don't, I don't understand.

00:37:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, would you find out if it was going up or down? Because it'd be a weird place to park the band, Yeah, or the tour.

00:37:30
Speaker 1: Bus right next to the runway. This one sounds weird, like it would make more sense if the bus drove up near the plane to get on the plane.

00:37:40
Speaker 3: Everybody get on the plane and to get on the plane and then they're loose. I don't know, but that wouldn't be where the plane's taking off.

00:37:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Oh that's weird. What reminds you of Rainy Rose? Like when you did you know who he was? Like? Did you? Because I mean that was a long time ago. He was probably awesome, you know, guitar.

00:37:56
Speaker 3: I only know way after death and having an interest in music that I know who ran.

00:38:00
Speaker 1: Roads is he would play the flying v Polka Dot guitar even that I don't know really, Yeah, that's kind of his that was his signature guitar. Never much of an Ozzy guy, never much of a Black Sabbath guy even And I went through a lot of phases of loving different kinds of music for an extended period of time, but never really got into that I like it now. And we would listen to like, Oh I am iron Man, and uh have different songs coming out of like for football, Sure we come out crazy train. We ever came out to Crazy Train.

00:38:30
Speaker 3: No, it was always a fight in the locker room the black players and the white players. No way, it was either gonna be Ozzy Osbourne, racy DC from the white players and the black players always wanted Tupac, a little bit of bigg Eive but mostly and so do.

00:38:44
Speaker 1: You guys alternate? We did. Yeah, that would be the fair way of doing it. That would be the fair way to do it.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: Yeah and so yeah, And it was never like a contentious like a race war.

00:38:54
Speaker 1: But that's that's what it was. The white guys wanted.

00:38:56
Speaker 3: And it started off it was only Hell's bells from a CDC.

00:39:01
Speaker 1: That's all. Why you gotta hit start with a bell? Well, and we were the mountain behind Red Devils.

00:39:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it started off, and then the high school administration was like, you guys got to stop doing healthy and stuff or were already gettingrapped me in the devil.

00:39:13
Speaker 1: You named the school exactly they want us to do. That's our freaking mask. Got We didn't choose the devils, The devils chose us. What was the two Fox song? Hit them up? Yes, that makes sense because like California love doesn't make sense to your mama, Mike, what do you see?

00:39:30
Speaker 5: So they were trying to buzz the bus. Oh no, they were being funny. They're trying to scare them.

00:39:36
Speaker 1: As they were taking off.

00:39:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they did two attempts to buzz them and then they clipped the bus and then the pilot was later found to be under the influence of cocaine expired pilot's license.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: They were they were like pranking. What the oh my god?

00:39:50
Speaker 3: This is that's the most That's why it didn't make sense to us though, because it doesn't line up with landing.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: Or really flying off. It shouldn't make near a bus. They were trying to bust the bull. Who was on that plan? Was he just the only famous one? Mike?

00:40:02
Speaker 5: And he just him in the pilot looks like, oh boy, the Bobby Cast will be right back.

00:40:09
Speaker 1: M M. This is the Bobby Cast, all right. John Denver airplane. Yeah, and he had an experimental plane. Oh is that right?

00:40:27
Speaker 3: The and we can do a songs take Me Home Country Roads. Uh, there's that one. There's well yeah, nine thousands about something, Thank guy, I'm a country boy or Rocky Mountain.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:40:45
Speaker 3: Sam, it's crazy to think that John Denver is controversial for not being country.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. He seemed like the one guy that wouldn't be controversial about anything. And also he's very country country. He's very He's the most Americanic country that to me, I mean, even says thank God, I'm a country boy. Wow. Old. He even says take me home Country Road, right, Probably because the whole that doesn't matter. That's a whole debate for a different podcast. But he died in nineteen ninety seven when his experimental plane crashed in California. His last words were, do you have it now? He said this to air traffic control.

00:41:22
Speaker 3: As he was trying to confirm a four digit transponder code he had just transmitted and wondered.

00:41:29
Speaker 1: If it was received correctly. Wow.

00:41:31
Speaker 3: But he died in an experimental plane crash.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: What was the plane? What was the plane that he was experimenting on. I don't know enough about planes. I don't even know enough about normal planes. Like you said, is this an American Airlines? I'm like, I think it's a puddle jumper. If you want to get down into specific terms, Aliyah, I don't know. We have a flane crash five or six left plane crash. Oh yeah.

00:41:52
Speaker 3: The R and B singer died in two thousand and one and in a plane crash in the Bahamas at twenty two years old, shortly after filming a music video for Rock. The boat rash occurred shortly after takeoff. According to the Wikipedia article we read this prom Elea and eight other people were killed. The pilot was also found out traces of alcohol and cocaine in his system and may not have followed pre takeoff procedures, including the manufacturer's checklist. He was also not registered with the FA to fly a plane for the company he was working for.

00:42:18
Speaker 1: What happened? They weren't trying to buzz the tour bus worthy four or five, not that we know of that. Buzz and the tour bus is crazy and the fact that they did it a couple of times.

00:42:27
Speaker 3: Like they missed twice, Like we didn't buzz them close enough. Let's really scare them. But that's rock and roll, man, I mean in the end, that's rock and roll. That was their whole lifestyle. Yeah, that was our whole lifestyle. Dang, okay, we got five. I'll give you the situation.

00:42:44
Speaker 1: See, you can tell me what was. This person.

00:42:49
Speaker 3: Was shot and killed under mysterious circumstances at a Los Angeles motel in nineteen sixty four.

00:42:56
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay. No no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no, no, not Marvin Gay. Yeah. It could have been like a prostitute. Gosh, what's his name? Give me the first letter of his name? S s oh boy. I mean I know exactly who this is, right, Like they robbed him to you for sure know who this is.

00:43:21
Speaker 3: I definitely had one of my three month faces, Sam Cook, Yeah with this person, Sam Cook. Yeah, Yeah, that was bizarre.

00:43:29
Speaker 1: They think maybe a prostitute, but maybe had a boss that planned the whole thing. Yeah, like because he was robbed but then killed.

00:43:39
Speaker 3: That's why the mysterious circumstances is such a big part of the story.

00:43:43
Speaker 1: He was thirty three.

00:43:44
Speaker 3: According to police reports, Cook, in an agitated state, kicked in her door, struck her. She shot him with a shotgun in self defense. A coroner determined the cause of death was the gunshot wounded the chest, and subsequent jerry ruled the death justifiable homicide.

00:44:00
Speaker 1: And bringing on home to me.

00:44:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, as a jam or darling, you.

00:44:08
Speaker 1: Send me I know, yeah, man at people say I do. Sam Cook a great voice, all right. Next up, this singer was killed by his father, Yeah, Marvin Gay Yeah, April first, nineteen eighty four, before his forty fifth birthday. The shooting occurred after Gay Marvin Gay intervened in a physical altercation between his parents. The father later claimed he did not know the gun was loaded with live ammunition and thought he was firing blanks or BB's in self defense.

00:44:36
Speaker 3: I didn't know that in a hole. That's a whole lot of water with me.

00:44:38
Speaker 1: No, not at all. I've had a lot of BB guns in my day. None of them felt like a real gun. Nope, nope, Nor did you really want to shoot anyone with a BB gun? And in self defense?

00:44:50
Speaker 3: You know what works better than shooting someone's BB gun hitting him with the actual gun.

00:44:53
Speaker 1: The gun, yes, yeah, because he's not gonna do it. Instead of hit in with the you just hit him with the gun. Yeah. Three left. This rapper, poet, and actor.

00:45:03
Speaker 3: Was fatally shot in a Las Vegas drive by in nineteen ninety six, aged twenty five years old. His murder remains officially unsolved.

00:45:14
Speaker 1: I thought they solved it. No, didn't they. They made some arrests, yes, but that guess that doesn't solve the murder.

00:45:21
Speaker 3: I don't think they have an official this is who did it. They have people who have claimed to know. They have people that are arrested to have been part right, Mike, I don't think they have a person.

00:45:30
Speaker 1: No, I don't. Wow, there's been just been a lot of talk and wow, it's after a fight. It was after an award show. Oh, I thought it was a boxing match or a boxing match. Yeah, that's what it was, boxing nicon or something. Yeah, I don't know now I'm just cramming stuff together in my head. Just six months after Tupac's at this person was gone down in a similar dry by shooting. Biggie Beggie twenty four years old.

00:45:54
Speaker 3: Was Biggie the award show. They get up on stage and.

00:45:57
Speaker 1: Like, I don't that's gotta be right. It doesn't have to be right for the record, I feel like there is an award show and it's not Tupac, so yeah.

00:46:05
Speaker 3: Or maybe there was just a big fight where somebody gets shot after an awards show.

00:46:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a biggie after the Soul Training Music Awards.

00:46:13
Speaker 3: It's in there, I just don't somewhat quite another place to put it. And then finally, this person died in a car accident in Honduras April twenty fifth, two thousand.

00:46:23
Speaker 1: And two, two thousand and two. She was killed when she lost control of the rental SUV she was driving and swerve to avoid another vehicle in Honduras. Is she American? Yeah.

00:46:37
Speaker 3: The other four passengers in the vehicle were injured, with three requiring hospitalization. This person was thirty years old.

00:46:43
Speaker 1: Man, I don't think I can get this. I was in a group this person was in. She was in a group of three. Oh is this left eye? Oh? I didn't realize I was a car accident. Mm hmm, Lisa left eye Lopez. I think it's Lopez. It's spelled it's spelled Lopes, but it's not the Hispanic. I think it's Mike.

00:47:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's spelled loops.

00:47:11
Speaker 1: I didn't know if there was like a difference. Maybe she did that, just change it up a little bit, but I think that was her name. I don't think she got Okay. You can do that though. When you're famous, you can mess with your last name a little bit. You know, Jay, Hey, you know about this stuff.

00:47:25
Speaker 3: Well you can just change it fully and have a fake name, yes, but or you can just pronounce it differently, like I believe Joe Theisman. Oh thiseman changed it to Joe Thiseman because he wanted to win the Heisman. Interesting, like like Richie Allen's Ricardo Valenzuela, they made him change to Valens.

00:47:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be.

00:47:44
Speaker 3: Just a stage name though, Like I'm pretty sure Joe thisman's name was that this would be the last thing we look up, and then he just changed the pronunciation because he wanted it to be with he sound like Heisman.

00:47:54
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I feel that sounds familiar. I can ask my assistant with racing Mike, you versus found as. It's like when a chess player, a computerized chess player plays a human. You're like, who's the best, But you know what the human just won what he got human?

00:48:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pronounced fastman.

00:48:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they changed it to Joe thisman.

00:48:11
Speaker 2: To boost this chance to win the Heisman.

00:48:13
Speaker 1: He didn't. He did his pupil well, he did to boost. Did he win the Heisman? He did not. I don't believe, right, Mike, I don't think so. He broke his leg right in by the way.

00:48:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pros though, did thighsman?

00:48:30
Speaker 2: I think he did win it?

00:48:31
Speaker 1: Did he?

00:48:32
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy wins, so it works.

00:48:34
Speaker 1: Oh, man, the Heisman, Mike, make sure you're right so that he did not. He's a nominee, but he did not win it. He lost. Yeah.

00:48:41
Speaker 3: Joe Thaiseman was an All American and an academic All American and was a contention for the Heisman Trophy but he finished second.

00:48:47
Speaker 1: Oh so close.

00:48:48
Speaker 2: Jim Plunkett won the quarterback.

00:48:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, the quarterback Jim Plunkett, whose original name.

00:48:53
Speaker 1: Was but he wanted but he changed it so people could say it on TV and he can win the high has been all right? Yeah, thanks thanks Eddie, Yeah, man, thank you, that was fun. That was I mean, I hate talking about death, but it's weird. That's how much we know about those stories. Well, it's weird they're all playing. I mean they're eighty five percent. We gotta gotta learn from more mistakes. The craziest one was the buzz and the bus. I had no idea craziest. Thank you for that, Mike. I learned something new every day in the bus. All right, thank you guys for listening.

00:49:25
Speaker 7: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.