Def Leppard's "Hysteria" (1987): Track by Track!

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast,
<v Speaker 2>discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties
<v Speaker 2>and nineties pop culture with your co hosts and James D.
<v Speaker 2>Graves and Jason Colbn.
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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Hey, welcome back everybody. We are so glad you're
<v Speaker 3>joining us again. This is part two of our Death
<v Speaker 3>Leopard episodes. We are super excited to talk to you
<v Speaker 3>today about Hysteria. If you haven't heard our last episode,
<v Speaker 3>that was the one where recovered Pyromania. And then when
<v Speaker 3>we're done with those two albums, we'll give you our
<v Speaker 3>final judgment on which we think.
<v Speaker 1>Is the best of def Leppard. I'm freaking stoked to
<v Speaker 1>talk about Hysteria.
<v Speaker 3>This album brings back far more memories for me than
<v Speaker 3>Pyromania did. Pyromani came out, I was still pretty young,
<v Speaker 3>really more listening to Michael Jackson. When Hysteria came out.
<v Speaker 3>I was middle school, moving into high school as those
<v Speaker 3>singles were being released, And yeah, I have lots of
<v Speaker 3>memories associated with.
<v Speaker 1>The Really unique thing for me about this album is
<v Speaker 1>when you're fourteen years old and an album stays prominent
<v Speaker 1>for two whole years. Yeah, it covers a lot of
<v Speaker 1>your life. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it really does. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So we'll get more. We'll get more into that as
<v Speaker 1>we go, but let's dive into the history of the
<v Speaker 1>making of Hysteria before we talk about the songs. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>sounds good. Okay. So after Pyromania, and after they had
<v Speaker 1>gone from eight hundred at the beginning to Jack Murphy
<v Speaker 1>Stadium and they're playing in front of gobs of people.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, massive success, opening for Billy Squire and people would
<v Speaker 3>leave after their opening set.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to becoming a headline prominent eighties band with this
<v Speaker 1>pop metal masterpiece Pyromania. Yeah. So they are going back
<v Speaker 1>in the studio now to make a follow up to Pyramania,
<v Speaker 1>and they expect to make it really in a couple
<v Speaker 1>of years, maybe a year or two. Right.
<v Speaker 3>Well, it had taken them longer to record Pyromania than
<v Speaker 3>it had any other album that they had done up
<v Speaker 3>until that point. But you know, when they had so
<v Speaker 3>much success with Pyromania, they're thinking, Okay, we're willing to
<v Speaker 3>put in the time. We're willing to be abused by
<v Speaker 3>Mutt Lang, right, because this, I mean, the success of
<v Speaker 3>this one has been incredible. And so they had one
<v Speaker 3>or two songs that they started off with that they
<v Speaker 3>put a few demo tapes together for and then things
<v Speaker 3>started to get bad.
<v Speaker 1>So they go back to the studio on February of
<v Speaker 1>eighty four. They actually moved to Dublin. They're leaving England
<v Speaker 1>for tax reasons, right, And they go to Dublin in
<v Speaker 1>February of eighty four to start work on the follow
<v Speaker 1>up album. Yeah, but the big problem at this time
<v Speaker 1>is that Mutt Ling is unavailable, right. I mean, this
<v Speaker 1>guy is their mentor. He's the guy who we talked
<v Speaker 1>about built the album Brick by Brick, and he's out. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>When you get an album that sold six million copies
<v Speaker 3>as much heck as you went through with the guy,
<v Speaker 3>you can go, well, he knows how to put together
<v Speaker 3>an album.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to have to do this again, all right.
<v Speaker 1>So with Mutt laying out, and they go to this
<v Speaker 1>list of possible producers, Yeah, and one of the guys
<v Speaker 1>they actually look at is Phil Collins of Genesis, the
<v Speaker 1>singer Phil Collins. Yeah, that's right, So studio does he
<v Speaker 1>produce album I don't know that he's ever produced an album. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>all right, well that's an interesting choice. They didn't go
<v Speaker 1>with him though they didn't, but yeah, his pop sensibility
<v Speaker 1>is I don't know. I mean, I can see that,
<v Speaker 1>but they settled on Jim Steinman. Okay. So Jim Steinmond
<v Speaker 1>was the songwriter for that out of.
<v Speaker 3>Hell right, so he's a songwriter but not a record producer.
<v Speaker 3>This seems kind of odd, do you know, from what
<v Speaker 3>they went through before when we looked at the way
<v Speaker 3>that Mutt Lang puts the record together. He is the
<v Speaker 3>sixth member of the band, and to take somebody who
<v Speaker 3>basically doesn't know how to play the instrument that's in
<v Speaker 3>front of him seems a no odd choice.
<v Speaker 1>It does seem like a no odd choice. And we
<v Speaker 1>should say before we leave out Lane, he actually did
<v Speaker 1>do some songwriting sessions with the guys, so he did
<v Speaker 1>start the process with them, but he bows out due
<v Speaker 1>to exhaustion. Jim Steamon steps in and how did that
<v Speaker 1>get Well? I've heard Joe Eliot talk about he was
<v Speaker 1>not a fan really from the get go right and
<v Speaker 1>during the recording sessions that they would work on. I
<v Speaker 1>remember talking about when they're recording Don't Shoot Shotgun, which
<v Speaker 1>is a song on the Backside of Hysteria that Jim
<v Speaker 1>Simon said, all right, guys, go for it. They played
<v Speaker 1>a little bit and Jim Steimon was like, yep, sounds great,
<v Speaker 1>and Steve Clark was like, dude, we haven't even warmed
<v Speaker 1>up yet, which is the exact opposite of lang. Right. Yeah, right,
<v Speaker 1>So it just wasn't a really good fit, so they
<v Speaker 1>decided to let him go, kind of like Eric Stoltz
<v Speaker 1>really in Back in the Future. They were down the road,
<v Speaker 1>decided to make that hard choice of the same work
<v Speaker 1>and we gotta change, right, So they cut him loose.
<v Speaker 1>And then on New Year's Eve of nineteen eighty four,
<v Speaker 1>Rick Allen is driving in his Corvette.
<v Speaker 3>Right following behind an Alfa Romeo driving with his girlfriend
<v Speaker 3>at the time. The Alfa Romeo is going slowly yes,
<v Speaker 3>and so he tries to pass. When he tries to pass,
<v Speaker 3>the Alpha Romeo speeds up, and so he has to
<v Speaker 3>back off because they're curves coming ahead, and it goes
<v Speaker 3>on like this. He gets behind the Alpha Romeo, it
<v Speaker 3>slows down, he tries to pass, it speeds.
<v Speaker 1>Up, and when he decides to finally hit the gas.
<v Speaker 1>That's it, I'm leaving this guy behind. Uh huh. There's
<v Speaker 1>a big swerve and before he can do anything, he
<v Speaker 1>crashes into a brick wall, flips his car upside down,
<v Speaker 1>and he tears his arm off. Right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the seatbelt is the thing that probably took his
<v Speaker 3>arm off because he was not wearing it properly. This
<v Speaker 3>is a tragedy, but he is so blessed to have
<v Speaker 3>been where he was when the accident occurred, because it
<v Speaker 3>turned out there's a nurse who lives right there next
<v Speaker 3>to where the accident occurs. She goes out to see
<v Speaker 3>what's wrong, and then a police officer who is her
<v Speaker 3>neighbor puts his head over the wall to see what's
<v Speaker 3>going on, and Rick Allen is standing up still conscious.
<v Speaker 3>Didn't even lose consciousness, which is probably a part of
<v Speaker 3>why he didn't bleed out because he was so tense.
<v Speaker 3>All he can say is I'm a famous drummer and
<v Speaker 3>I've lost my arm.
<v Speaker 1>What a crazy nightmare scenario. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>The police officer ended up having to go find the
<v Speaker 3>arm up under the dash of the car, and so
<v Speaker 3>they pack it. They rush him and his girlfriend over
<v Speaker 3>to the hospital, but they make the decision to reattach
<v Speaker 3>the arm. It Actually they think it went pretty well.
<v Speaker 3>The surgery went well, but takes up. They thought it
<v Speaker 3>was going to revive.
<v Speaker 1>After like a week, it started to become infected and
<v Speaker 1>that infection was actually going to threaten him.
<v Speaker 3>Can you can you imagine that heartbreak of number one,
<v Speaker 3>I have to have my arms for my career. It
<v Speaker 3>makes me millions of dollars and I've just lost with them.
<v Speaker 3>And then number two, I get this momentary they've reattached
<v Speaker 3>it and everything looks like it's going to be okay,
<v Speaker 3>and then you've taken it away from me again.
<v Speaker 1>It's utterly heartbreak. Every second of that week, you've got
<v Speaker 1>to be thinking, okay, I think it's working. Yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 1>on back arm.
<v Speaker 3>And then after that, after they had to take that
<v Speaker 3>arm off, they said, you know, the other thing is
<v Speaker 3>that there's an infection and if it spreads to your
<v Speaker 3>other arm, you're going.
<v Speaker 1>To live that one too. I mean, it was serious.
<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine. So the band is distraught for him.
<v Speaker 1>Initially they were worried that he might not even live, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>his life. Disinfection, the losing the arm, and they had
<v Speaker 1>to worry about him living. Then they had to worry
<v Speaker 1>about what are we going to do? What are we
<v Speaker 1>going to do?
<v Speaker 3>I love to listen to these guys talk because it
<v Speaker 3>was never even a thought in their mind that they
<v Speaker 3>would say, you know, we got to find somebody else.
<v Speaker 3>It was Rick, what do you think? And Rick said,
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to make this work.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's awesome, And what a tribute to him. They
<v Speaker 1>went and visited him like three weeks after this, after
<v Speaker 1>they had taken his arm back off. Yeah, and he's
<v Speaker 1>sitting there playing with one arm and pillows. They walk
<v Speaker 1>in and he's like, guys, I think I can do this.
<v Speaker 1>I just need to play the other thing with my feet.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this guy is a guy who had been
<v Speaker 3>playing drums since he was a little kid. And then,
<v Speaker 3>as we talked about in our last episode, he's the
<v Speaker 3>youngest member of the band, and he goes from hey,
<v Speaker 3>we're in this garage band to hey, we're doing world
<v Speaker 3>tours by the time he's seventeen or eighteen years old. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's incredible drumming his whole life, he said. At this point,
<v Speaker 3>he's like, Okay, this is a wake up call. This
<v Speaker 3>is a new challenge. For me, I'm going to take
<v Speaker 3>this and I'm going to use it as motivation to
<v Speaker 3>become an even.
<v Speaker 1>Better drummer than I was before. So the band leaves
<v Speaker 1>him to recover and they get back in the studio
<v Speaker 1>and they start. By this time, Mutt Lange had finished
<v Speaker 1>up with Heartbeat City.
<v Speaker 3>He had been involved as in a car accident as well,
<v Speaker 3>but ultimately he healed up.
<v Speaker 1>So Mutt Lang decides, guess what, guys, I'm back back
<v Speaker 1>in and there was much rejoicing. That's right, I'm back
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm going to beat you guys to death
<v Speaker 1>to get an even better album out of you. Right,
<v Speaker 1>And it was that process, but they need what to
<v Speaker 1>expect at this point. That's right now. They literally worked
<v Speaker 1>from February of nineteen eighty four, I mean, if you
<v Speaker 1>want to be technical, through like February of eighty seven,
<v Speaker 1>three years. But during the process, during all this craziness,
<v Speaker 1>Rick Allen made the comment that between Mutt Lang and
<v Speaker 1>the concerts and the music and the album and my
<v Speaker 1>crash and all this, that we fired this guy. This
<v Speaker 1>is crazy. This is like hysteria. And they thought that's it.
<v Speaker 1>That's the name of the album, so we can talk
<v Speaker 1>specifically as we go through the songs, but we've talked
<v Speaker 1>in the previous episode that this is built brick by brick.
<v Speaker 1>When they strum the guitars on the song Hysteria, yep,
<v Speaker 1>it's actually they recorded it no by no no by no. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So even if you don't play guitar, you can easily
<v Speaker 3>imagine the pick goes string by string. Even though it's
<v Speaker 3>going fast, it still has to just hit one string
<v Speaker 3>at a time, and so there's a sound of succession.
<v Speaker 1>What Mutt Lange did was to take out.
<v Speaker 3>That sound of succession, and the guitar is all of
<v Speaker 3>the strings at the same time, almost as if you
<v Speaker 3>were you're beating them with a drumstick, except it's the
<v Speaker 3>sound of a plucked string, all of them plucked at
<v Speaker 3>the same time.
<v Speaker 1>That's why it gives it that unique sound. Yeah, a
<v Speaker 1>very unique sound. Okay. So when they were working on
<v Speaker 1>these songs, yeah, and Mutt Lang is beating them to
<v Speaker 1>death in the studio and they're talking about songs, they're
<v Speaker 1>writing songs, yeah, and they sit down for a meeting,
<v Speaker 1>Mutlang says, all right, guys, here's our goal. Yeah, we
<v Speaker 1>want a pop metal album that is Thriller.
<v Speaker 3>Which means what it means, every song on this album
<v Speaker 3>could be a single. Do you think they accomplished it.
<v Speaker 1>I do think they accomplished They.
<v Speaker 3>Certainly accomplished it for the A side, There's no question
<v Speaker 3>about that, because every single one of them was a
<v Speaker 3>successful son.
<v Speaker 1>I would say ten of twelve. Wow, I mean, what
<v Speaker 1>a lofty goal. We've talked to you and I have
<v Speaker 1>talked at length about Thriller and Bad. It has been.
<v Speaker 3>Really exciting to go through the albums that we're going through.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't appreciate as much. I did appreciate, but I
<v Speaker 3>appreciate it as much. How much the producer is a
<v Speaker 3>part of the sound of the band. With Michael Jackson,
<v Speaker 3>obviously we had Quincy Jones is a huge part of
<v Speaker 3>the success of Thriller and Bad with Van Halen, Ted
<v Speaker 3>Templeman is a huge part of success with David Lee
<v Speaker 3>Roth and the Boys, and Don Landy is a huge
<v Speaker 3>part of the way they sound and sound differently with
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Hag Yeah. So with this we've got Mutt Lang
<v Speaker 3>the producer and the production is a huge part of
<v Speaker 3>all popular music from.
<v Speaker 1>As far back to the Beats, all right, So their
<v Speaker 1>goal is thriller and they want to make every single
<v Speaker 1>a releasable song, right, So let's go through the list
<v Speaker 1>and find out what we think about these songs.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sounds good, all right.
<v Speaker 1>So the first song on the album and the first
<v Speaker 1>single that they actually released in the United States and
<v Speaker 1>only in the United States, it was a song called
<v Speaker 1>Women Love It. Women was released in July of eighty seven.
<v Speaker 1>They hoped that the hard rock sound would reconnect with
<v Speaker 1>their rock audience, particularly because they know that they had
<v Speaker 1>some softer songs to come, like hysterian love bites. So
<v Speaker 1>the Women single was released in July of eighty seven.
<v Speaker 1>I actually remember when the video came out. I was
<v Speaker 1>super excited because I had that history with Pyromania, right,
<v Speaker 1>But it kind of landed with a thud in the US.
<v Speaker 3>It didn't do as well, No, as awesome as a
<v Speaker 3>video is, it's still the news. Well, and let me
<v Speaker 3>just say, as far as the hysteria videos are concerned, well,
<v Speaker 3>they certainly made up.
<v Speaker 1>They got better.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, videos were so bad and these not
<v Speaker 3>all these were great, but they were certainly a sight
<v Speaker 3>better than the other ones.
<v Speaker 1>So it goes to number eighty on the Hot one hundred. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even crack the top fifty on the Top Rock charts.
<v Speaker 1>It gets to number seven, but really it was kind
<v Speaker 1>of disappointment. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So interestingly, the B side of this one, which was
<v Speaker 3>a song that wasn't on Hysteri Area, actually did really well.
<v Speaker 1>It's a song called Tear It Down.
<v Speaker 3>So we'll take a listen to that report.
<v Speaker 1>That's a kick by song. That song is awesome.
<v Speaker 3>So they ended up it got radio play, and they
<v Speaker 3>ended up performing that on the MTV Music Awards in
<v Speaker 3>eighty nine, and then later they re recorded it for Adrenalized.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let me take you back to a time
<v Speaker 1>when we didn't have Spotify or the Internet. Okay, some
<v Speaker 1>people will not remember this time, but for me as
<v Speaker 1>our listeners will remember this time. Yeah, that's right. I
<v Speaker 1>help you will.
<v Speaker 3>And if you are one of the select few of
<v Speaker 3>seventeen and a hundred guys who are listening, this is historical.
<v Speaker 1>There was a time where music was much harder to
<v Speaker 1>come by, that's right, and we're glad to have you. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but during this time, so for me, I didn't buy
<v Speaker 1>I had the cassette tape first Area. Yeah, right, but
<v Speaker 1>this is a time early on in CDs, right would
<v Speaker 1>release the CD with the B side of tear It Down,
<v Speaker 1>So Women released the United States had the other track
<v Speaker 1>was tear it Down. Right. Flash forward to April of
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. Yeah, it gets radio play. Tear it Down
<v Speaker 1>is like a hit. Yeah. I can't get my hands
<v Speaker 1>on it all right because two years prior that CD
<v Speaker 1>single is long gone. Yeah, And I can't spotify it,
<v Speaker 1>I can't internet it. I got to wait for the
<v Speaker 1>radio to play it.
<v Speaker 3>Right, which I'm sure that most of our listeners have
<v Speaker 3>a memory pretty clearly of sitting by the radio with
<v Speaker 3>with a Maxell cassette tape plugged in, just hoping against
<v Speaker 3>hope that the DJ didn't.
<v Speaker 1>Talk over the introduction to the song you wanted to record.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. But yeah, tear it Down kind
<v Speaker 1>of a timely thing about the Berlin Wall relatively. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's songs are not real. No, they're not politically,
<v Speaker 1>they're not political, which I appreciate. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And then so on this video the video, the boy
<v Speaker 3>is reading a comic book and it is def Leppard
<v Speaker 3>and the Women.
<v Speaker 1>Of Doom is the name of the comic book.
<v Speaker 3>And you have a superhero who rides around on a
<v Speaker 3>sort of space skateboard kind of thing that looks very
<v Speaker 3>much like Joe Elliott, and he ends up on the
<v Speaker 3>planet Doom where they're making robotic women. And this kid's
<v Speaker 3>reading this outside of the warehouse where the band is
<v Speaker 3>inside performing the song and they've robotic women when they're instructed.
<v Speaker 3>Their instructions are worship our masters every need this anagram
<v Speaker 3>being women.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even guess that have our masters every need.
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like step fo wise there in the video.
<v Speaker 1>Other than the drawn comics. Yeah, there's not a single
<v Speaker 1>woman in the video.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 3>This is the first video that they did after Rick
<v Speaker 3>Allen had had his arm amputated.
<v Speaker 1>It's a great song. Oh yeah, it's a great song
<v Speaker 1>and it's a staple of they're live. I mean I've
<v Speaker 1>seen them live times and they play this all the time.
<v Speaker 3>And just to touch on their live shows, you know,
<v Speaker 3>they did a in the round concert tour.
<v Speaker 1>With this album. And there are a few things to
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind here. Well.
<v Speaker 3>The first one, what was going on underneath the stage
<v Speaker 3>was described by one photographer as sodom and gomorrah or
<v Speaker 3>there were sixty women with no clothes on whatsoever. And
<v Speaker 3>so as the band performed, they would need breaks, and
<v Speaker 3>so a couple of guys would stay on stage.
<v Speaker 1>And it was Joe Elliott and Rick Allen. So Rick
<v Speaker 1>Allen's playing the drums and Joe Elliott is kind of
<v Speaker 1>thunder god, you know, let's hear it for Rick Allen. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Phil and Steve and Saver under the stage. Yeah, good doing.
<v Speaker 1>Who knows what, And we won't go into the family show.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they were just having coffee.
<v Speaker 3>But you know, when they started that tour, Rick Allen
<v Speaker 3>wasn't as confident in his ability to play, and so
<v Speaker 3>they had a guy named Jeff Rich come in and.
<v Speaker 1>Be there, their drummer that was there to kind of
<v Speaker 1>fill in.
<v Speaker 3>And then a few shows in it was like pre
<v Speaker 3>shows to this tour that they're about to go in,
<v Speaker 3>jeff Rich's plane ends up getting delayed.
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't show up to the.
<v Speaker 3>Concert on time, and so Rick Allen's just got to
<v Speaker 3>do it. And Jeff Rich comes in kind of sheepishly
<v Speaker 3>toward the middle of the concert and kind of fades
<v Speaker 3>back into the back, and when the concert is done,
<v Speaker 3>he says, well, it was nice knowing you guys. But
<v Speaker 3>I think, Rick, you don't need me.
<v Speaker 1>That's such a cool story. Yeah, when he came out.
<v Speaker 3>When Rick came out on stage that first time after
<v Speaker 3>the amputation, there were fifty thousand people chanting his name.
<v Speaker 1>That's so cool. It's it's beautiful, all right. So the
<v Speaker 1>second track on the album is Rocket. This was released
<v Speaker 1>in January of eighty nine. This was their last singles.
<v Speaker 1>The last video was Steve Clark. Yes, it's actually filmed
<v Speaker 1>in the same warehouse that Women was filming in.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's to me it sounds a lot like Women.
<v Speaker 3>They have a very similar sound to him. These two songs.
<v Speaker 3>They did a thing on this called backmasking, where they
<v Speaker 3>would record things backwards. It wasn't the weird stuff that
<v Speaker 3>you heard about with led Zeppelin decades before.
<v Speaker 1>It was just the kill yourself now stop it.
<v Speaker 3>They would record things like we're fighting with the Gods
<v Speaker 3>of War, which is one of the lines from Gods
<v Speaker 3>of War.
<v Speaker 1>Record that one backwards. Okay, wait, that is such a
<v Speaker 1>cool little nugget. We really had to play that because
<v Speaker 1>the beginning part of Rocket, I'm listening to it going on,
<v Speaker 1>it's weird. You can't verbalize it. Yep. And then when
<v Speaker 1>I hear, oh my gosh, that's we're fighting for the
<v Speaker 1>gods of war backwards. Yes, in the middle of it.
<v Speaker 1>They're making these songs, these sounds. This is a sampling
<v Speaker 1>of love Bites.
<v Speaker 3>Now the coolest part of this thing is the drums.
<v Speaker 3>Listen to it right here, you gether. So this actually
<v Speaker 3>came from a song called Barundi Black, and we'll play
<v Speaker 3>a snippet of that for you right here. So the
<v Speaker 3>sound of those drums is unmistakable as the same drums
<v Speaker 3>that are in Rocket. So what happened was Joe Elliott
<v Speaker 3>heard that song, he heard the Barundi Black, and he's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I think I can do something with this. And they
<v Speaker 3>took that, just that drum piece and then built the
<v Speaker 3>song off of that.
<v Speaker 1>It's really cool.
<v Speaker 3>And then it was just supposed to be those drums
<v Speaker 3>and him singing Rocket over and over again. And then
<v Speaker 3>decided just at some point he threw in Satellite of Love. Well,
<v Speaker 3>Satellite of Love is an old lou Reed song and
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of on, you know, Joe Elliott's list
<v Speaker 3>of awesome songs, and so they thought, why don't we
<v Speaker 3>do a whole song that are awesome influences that have
<v Speaker 3>influenced this musically over the years.
<v Speaker 1>Part of the songs mentioned so here, I'll just give
<v Speaker 1>you some of the lyrics. Right. They say Jack Flash
<v Speaker 1>rocket Man, Sergeant Pepper and the Band, Ziggy, Bennie and
<v Speaker 1>the Jets. So Jumpy Jack flash Rocketman by Elton John,
<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Pepper by the Beatles, Benny and the Jets by
<v Speaker 1>Elton John, and Ziggy started Us by David Bowie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there would think three different David Bowie songs because
<v Speaker 3>they also said something about.
<v Speaker 1>They say Major Tom yep, they say Johnny b Jeene
<v Speaker 1>Genie Killer Queen by Queen Major Tom, Johnny be is
<v Speaker 1>Johnny be Good Flashback to Our Raiders back in the
<v Speaker 1>Future episode. Okay, so this is early on in CD time, right,
<v Speaker 1>Like I mentioned, I had this on tape, on cassette
<v Speaker 1>tape and it's one of the very one of the
<v Speaker 1>about five tapes that I played it so much it broke.
<v Speaker 1>But you could buy CD singles. But as you acquired
<v Speaker 1>these CD singles, it actually you laid it down on
<v Speaker 1>the floor and it made a huge picture of hysteria. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the album pover and for a kid like me at fourteen,
<v Speaker 1>it was like collecting baseball cards, Like I wanted to
<v Speaker 1>buy the CD singles, so I'd have this thing lay
<v Speaker 1>down on my floor. Yeah, that's awesome, all right. So
<v Speaker 1>this brings us to the third track on the album,
<v Speaker 1>which is Animal.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 1>The demo on.
<v Speaker 3>This one was recorded before Rick Allen had his car accident.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the oldest songs on Hysteria, so
<v Speaker 1>having a track where rig Allen plays with both arms
<v Speaker 1>is kind of a neat thing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, then they just never felt like it was right
<v Speaker 3>during the recording process.
<v Speaker 1>Is this took some three years to perfect this song.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they had recorded all of the instruments, the drums,
<v Speaker 3>the vocals, and as two and a half years down
<v Speaker 3>the line, they're like, you know what this this is
<v Speaker 3>already kind of getting old to us, and they're thinking,
<v Speaker 3>we don't want something that we want something it's going
<v Speaker 3>to be timeless, not something that we're going to be
<v Speaker 3>tired of before it's even released, and so they stripped
<v Speaker 3>it of everything except for the vocals.
<v Speaker 1>And Rick Allen thoms.
<v Speaker 3>The video on this one, if you're trying to remember
<v Speaker 3>all of your deaf Leopard videos, is the one where
<v Speaker 3>they're at the circus.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the guy throws knives in Joe Elliott. Then Yes,
<v Speaker 1>it was during.
<v Speaker 3>This particular video that has sudden suddenly occurred to me
<v Speaker 3>how often Steve Clark holds his guitar up in.
<v Speaker 1>The air whenever the camera's I mean, God rest his soul.
<v Speaker 3>He I kind of look back at some of the
<v Speaker 3>other videos, like every time the camera goes on to
<v Speaker 3>Steve Clark, He's like, hey, look.
<v Speaker 1>At my cane. Hey aw, I like, how to hold
<v Speaker 1>it really low or really high? This was their first
<v Speaker 1>hit in England. Yeah, it was the first time they
<v Speaker 1>cracked the top ten for anything in England. And just
<v Speaker 1>to mention, Jim Steamond's version of this had a sweeping orchestra. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>i'd be interesting. I don't know what whatever the course
<v Speaker 1>it took to get the song to where it is today. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I like it a lot to where it is today.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not sure I want to hear the orchestra
<v Speaker 1>version of this song. I'd listen to that. This is
<v Speaker 1>the song that caused me to buy the tape by
<v Speaker 1>the whole album. Yeah, okay, so when Women came out
<v Speaker 1>I saw the video, I'm like, all right, Deth Leverer's
<v Speaker 1>back at it about time. Yeah, you know. But when
<v Speaker 1>I heard Animal, I was like, take me to the
<v Speaker 1>record store right now, right.
<v Speaker 3>So the next song that's on the album is Love Bites.
<v Speaker 3>This one is a definitive power about.
<v Speaker 1>With now when you make it. This is their first
<v Speaker 1>number one hit, by the way, yeah, reached the number
<v Speaker 1>one spot on the Top one hundred. Right.
<v Speaker 3>So I can remember school dances, slow dance under this song,
<v Speaker 3>heart pounding, wondering what's gonna happen?
<v Speaker 1>Nothing ever, nothing ever happened this one.
<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, this is kind of crazy. This one was supposed
<v Speaker 3>to be like a country style song.
<v Speaker 1>By munt Lang.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was a I cannot imagine what that
<v Speaker 3>could have sounded like.
<v Speaker 1>I cotten to hear this as a country song sometimes.
<v Speaker 1>Well okay, let's see, we'll see if I can find.
<v Speaker 2>That for you.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sounds good. This is the only track on Hysteria
<v Speaker 1>that has keyboards. According to this song love Bites, ye
<v Speaker 1>bleeds brings me to my knees, lives, dies, begs, bleeds
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Here's a quick story for Love Bites. You
<v Speaker 1>ready for this? All right? So, like I said, I
<v Speaker 1>had this tape, I played it all the time, had
<v Speaker 1>it with me all the time. I bring it in
<v Speaker 1>the car, but can you play this one that? No,
<v Speaker 1>you can't play it in the car. But at my house,
<v Speaker 1>my parents were very cognizant of what I was listening to. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so Molly Crue not in this house, mister, not in
<v Speaker 1>the house. Oh yeah yeah. But so I had this
<v Speaker 1>tape and my dad was like, all right, let me
<v Speaker 1>check this tape out right, And he looks at it,
<v Speaker 1>and he's looking at and he's reading through it. Okay, women,
<v Speaker 1>all right, rocket animal, okay, whatever, Wait a minute, what
<v Speaker 1>exactly are love bites? Oh? That's funny. Yeah, I love you, dad,
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. They like bun buns? Would you like to
<v Speaker 1>try some up for love bites? This song actually has
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of controversy to it. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if you're you remember this, but at the very very
<v Speaker 1>end of the song you can hear just a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of just barely voices right right right, Okay, So
<v Speaker 1>people thought that it said Jesus of Nazareth go to hell.
<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, at the very end, actually that's mut Lang saying,
<v Speaker 1>yes it does bloody hell, but it's really quiet. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>it does bloody hell. All right, that wraps love bites. Right,
<v Speaker 1>this brings us to.
<v Speaker 3>My gosh, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>You talk about blowing your frigging mind. So here's my
<v Speaker 1>story on this song. Come on.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm in eighth grade and I'm the king of
<v Speaker 3>the middle school, right, Me and my buddies are the
<v Speaker 3>king of the middle middle school because we're in eighth
<v Speaker 3>grade and we're the oldest ones there, and we're like,
<v Speaker 3>you know.
<v Speaker 1>What, We're gonna go to a high school dance.
<v Speaker 3>And so we decided we're gonna go high school dance,
<v Speaker 3>firs high school dance I've ever been to.
<v Speaker 1>And I go in. I'm like, oh my gosh, this
<v Speaker 1>is crazy awesome. I don't want to know, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>nervous and all of this.
<v Speaker 3>And if anybody remembers your first dance, especially if you're
<v Speaker 3>a guy, you're like, do a dance?
<v Speaker 1>Do not dance?
<v Speaker 3>Do I just sit here and act cool? What am
<v Speaker 3>I supposed to do? And then yeah, girls are begging
<v Speaker 3>you to dance, and you're just like, oh, okay, finally
<v Speaker 3>you go out there and dance, and you look like
<v Speaker 3>a white kid dancing, a puberty ridden white kid dancing.
<v Speaker 3>But hey, it's okay, you're having fun, and I can
<v Speaker 3>remember it the first dance into the dance and the
<v Speaker 3>DJ says, all right, everybody, here is the song you've
<v Speaker 3>all been waiting all night for. And they start cranking
<v Speaker 3>pour some Sugar on me, and the room erupts.
<v Speaker 1>In the name, and I was like, this is amazing.
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard this song before, but I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 3>find it right after this is done. I've got to
<v Speaker 3>go find this because this song is in prodible.
<v Speaker 1>It was incredible. So let's let's dive into it. Because
<v Speaker 1>before we talk about the videos. Yeah, not the video,
<v Speaker 1>the videos, yeah plural. Yeah, let's talk about the song.
<v Speaker 1>This song is when the album actually.
<v Speaker 3>Took off, right, So they had you know, they had
<v Speaker 3>a good had good sales with Pyromania. They spent five
<v Speaker 3>million dollars recording this album.
<v Speaker 1>They sold three million copies with Hysteria, which was pretty good.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, hey, we just sold three million albums. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's awesome success. Except we haven't made back the money
<v Speaker 3>that we spent make my album, which is kind of
<v Speaker 3>a big deal.
<v Speaker 1>For the record companies.
<v Speaker 3>Until Poorts Some Sugar comes out and everyone goes crazy.
<v Speaker 1>I heard a record executive say that they moved four
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand units on one day because of
<v Speaker 1>the success supports some sug drummy. Yeah, that's almost going
<v Speaker 1>gold in one day. That's amazing. So he said he
<v Speaker 1>had never seen a song be that powerful. If you
<v Speaker 1>listen to it, it's it's kind of like a rap Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Joelie talks about how this is modeled after
<v Speaker 1>Walk This Way.
<v Speaker 3>They were not really sure how rap and rock and
<v Speaker 3>roll would go together, and then run DMC and Aerosmith
<v Speaker 3>came out with a rendition of Aerosmith's old seventies song
<v Speaker 3>Walk This Way, and they go, well, I guess it
<v Speaker 3>can be done.
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. But this is really interesting. First of all,
<v Speaker 1>before we even get into that Sugar, there is a
<v Speaker 1>song I believe from the sixties called Sugar Sugar by
<v Speaker 1>the Archies. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna blow your mind on
<v Speaker 1>this here, ready for this.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody will recognize the enter to this song, but what
<v Speaker 3>you may not remember is the end.
<v Speaker 1>Of this song. It is freaking unbelievable. I just found
<v Speaker 1>this out this week after living with this album for
<v Speaker 1>thirty years. So Joe Elliott, this is his first record
<v Speaker 1>that he actually bought Sugar Sugar by the Archies.
<v Speaker 3>So this song they actually they didn't have this song
<v Speaker 3>for most of the recording process.
<v Speaker 1>They were toward the.
<v Speaker 3>End of the album and Mutt Lang is walking by
<v Speaker 3>and he hears Joe Elliott playing a riff on the
<v Speaker 3>guitar and.
<v Speaker 1>He says, that's good. What is that? And so they
<v Speaker 1>take it and they play with it. It's incredible, it's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>They were on a coffee break when he was fiddling
<v Speaker 1>around with this. This is in January of eighty seven. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>they are wrapping up Armageddnett, which was the last song
<v Speaker 1>on the album. Yeah, Mutt Lange felt like the album
<v Speaker 1>is great, Yeah, but we're really we really need that
<v Speaker 1>signature song that we don't have yet, right, and they
<v Speaker 1>the record company is impatient. This is taken three years.
<v Speaker 1>What the heck get this album out right?
<v Speaker 3>And so here's Joe Elliott playing this and he's like,
<v Speaker 3>who this could be it? This could be the one.
<v Speaker 3>And so the way that they get the lyrics to
<v Speaker 3>this is this is funny as it can be. You've
<v Speaker 3>got the sound, and so how do we get the lyrics? Well,
<v Speaker 3>Mutt Lang and Joe Elliott go to opposite sides of
<v Speaker 3>the room and they have a little dictaphone and they
<v Speaker 3>listen to their recording of the riff and they just
<v Speaker 3>do this kind of stream of consciousness. Here are the
<v Speaker 3>lyrics that just pour out as I'm thinking of them.
<v Speaker 3>And then they trade dictaphones and they listen in and
<v Speaker 3>they try to figure out what the other guy was saying,
<v Speaker 3>and at some point Joe Elliott hears the words love
<v Speaker 3>is like a bomb. Whether that's what Mutt Lang said
<v Speaker 3>or not, that's what Joe Elliott heard, and that was
<v Speaker 3>what they built the entire so.
<v Speaker 1>A freaking incredible story.
<v Speaker 3>This was ranked number one on MTV Top three hundred
<v Speaker 3>Videos of All Time in May of ninety one. In
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and six, it ranked number two on VH
<v Speaker 3>one's Greatest Songs from the Eighties. Number one was living
<v Speaker 3>on a Prayer Before you move on to that yeah
<v Speaker 3>number VH one ranked this as the number two song
<v Speaker 3>from the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it only reached number two on the Hot one
<v Speaker 1>hundred chart. The number one song that week, hold On
<v Speaker 1>to the Nights by Richard Mars, just went up. There's
<v Speaker 1>no way that song is better than fort trigger.
<v Speaker 3>On me right when they do the video for this song.
<v Speaker 3>There's two versions.
<v Speaker 1>There's two versions. One is spectacular and one is terrible.
<v Speaker 1>One is god off, Oh my gosh. It's not as
<v Speaker 1>bad as the Pyromanium videos. It's worse.
<v Speaker 3>It's way worse, because at least the Pyromania videos were
<v Speaker 3>weird and interesting.
<v Speaker 1>This is just bad. Got we gotta post this video
<v Speaker 1>on our Facebook page. Yeah, we'll do that. If this
<v Speaker 1>video is the v hippo for this song, this song
<v Speaker 1>does not do as well.
<v Speaker 3>No, it may still do great, but nothing compared to
<v Speaker 3>what it did do.
<v Speaker 1>It took a great song made a looking dorky.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and if you don't know the original video to
<v Speaker 3>this song, the guys are singing in this kind of
<v Speaker 3>old lady looking house apartment in this building that is
<v Speaker 3>being torn down by these very manly looking women, and
<v Speaker 3>sporadic shots of a crowd of nerdy looking people shouting
<v Speaker 3>por some sugar on me.
<v Speaker 1>It's whoa, what happened? This is terrible. Fortunately they are
<v Speaker 1>wise enough to look at it and go, this is terrible.
<v Speaker 3>What else can we do? And live in a round
<v Speaker 3>in your face? They took footage from that tour, specifically
<v Speaker 3>their performance in Denver, and they made the video that
<v Speaker 3>everybody knows and loves. In the video, he's wearing the
<v Speaker 3>T shirt, the women T shirt. Yes, he's got the
<v Speaker 3>comic book that the kid was reading from the women video.
<v Speaker 3>It's got he's got his own picture, he's got his
<v Speaker 3>own superhero. I want to have that. Okay, I want
<v Speaker 3>to have a T shirt that's me as a superhero
<v Speaker 3>in a comic book on the T shirt.
<v Speaker 1>Can we get one of those? Here's a funny story
<v Speaker 1>for you. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap myself out.
<v Speaker 1>But in that video, he's got the women's shirt cut down, sleeveless, right,
<v Speaker 1>it's really cool. The mullet is in full glory. But
<v Speaker 1>he has a pair of jeans that have like the
<v Speaker 1>horizontal ribs on them all the way through. I took
<v Speaker 1>a pair of jeans, yeah, cut them up, washed them,
<v Speaker 1>didn't wear them in public, just wore them in my
<v Speaker 1>room when I listened to songs play the air drums.
<v Speaker 1>True story, that's true story.
<v Speaker 3>This song has an entirely to me an entirely different
<v Speaker 3>field than all of the rest of the songs on
<v Speaker 3>the album.
<v Speaker 1>It is stripped down.
<v Speaker 3>It is not the mut Lang We're gonna, We're gonna
<v Speaker 3>put all these things together. It is very very basic,
<v Speaker 3>very much drums and singing and just music and sporadic
<v Speaker 3>bursts that gives it that kind of black Dog from
<v Speaker 3>Led Zeppelin feel where you just this song kicks more
<v Speaker 3>butt than any other song on the album.
<v Speaker 1>And it's vaguely sexual too. Pour some sugar on. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the bubble is that they're breaking it.
<v Speaker 3>I don't, but for some reason it makes me feel
<v Speaker 3>a little dirty.
<v Speaker 1>You've got the peaches, I've got the cream. I we're
<v Speaker 1>having an ice cream party. Yes, that's okay, it is yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all right, it's a cobbler. Okay. Are we done with?
<v Speaker 1>Por some sugar on me? Pole song on the album?
<v Speaker 1>All right? So the sixth track on the album is
<v Speaker 1>armageddet This is the most fun the nuclear war has
<v Speaker 1>ever been. I mean, armageddon has nothing to do with it,
<v Speaker 1>nothing at all. This is This was released in January
<v Speaker 1>of eighty nine. Yeah, this is This is almost a
<v Speaker 1>year and a half after the album came out, right,
<v Speaker 1>and they're still they're wiring it up.
<v Speaker 3>Well, they're riding that poor some Sugar on Me way, Yes,
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's and love bites, love bites, Poor some
<v Speaker 3>Sugar on Me, armor gedding it.
<v Speaker 1>They're they're cruising that thing first while they are surfing
<v Speaker 1>that wave. Yep. This song reached number three in January
<v Speaker 1>of eighty nine on the Hot one hundred, only, beat
<v Speaker 1>out by Two Hearts by Phil Collens Oh, former possible
<v Speaker 1>producer for Hysteria Ironic and Don't Rush Me by Taylor
<v Speaker 1>Dan Match. So but it's a play on words, right,
<v Speaker 1>Are you getting it?
<v Speaker 3>Now?
<v Speaker 1>You're getting it? Yes, I'm getting it right. I love
<v Speaker 1>this song. The hook of the guitar is so catchy.
<v Speaker 1>It is a pop metal, awesome five star song. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I like the play on words. It's got some novelty.
<v Speaker 1>I was. I liked it when I was a kid.
<v Speaker 1>They do their video in the exact same way as
<v Speaker 1>they did with Pour Some Sugar on Me and why
<v Speaker 1>Not it works so well. Again, Yes, and once again,
<v Speaker 1>this was the last. This was supposed to be the
<v Speaker 1>last song completed for the album. Huh but thankfully what
<v Speaker 1>Lange said, you know what, Joe, We're going to go
<v Speaker 1>explore that poor Some Sugar on Me vidio that you
<v Speaker 1>got there, yeah, and keep building.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the poor you know, we talked about them
<v Speaker 3>not making their money back.
<v Speaker 1>It was pour some sugar on me.
<v Speaker 3>They caused the album sales to Skyrocket, beating Pyromania and
<v Speaker 3>making them the money back, and then multiple folds over.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. Hit stop on your tape deck,
<v Speaker 1>kick cast your cassette, flip it over. Now we're going
<v Speaker 1>to side to Okay, but before we do, Side one
<v Speaker 1>of Hysteria maybe the best one side of any album
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties. Wow, Women Rocket, Animal Love Bites, purse
<v Speaker 1>some sugar on the armagatin it. Yeah. I might have
<v Speaker 1>agreed with you back in nineteen eighty nine. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know that I'm going to agree with you right now. Okay, Well, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna dive into a whole bunch of albums, so sure, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>let's go for it. Okay. So the first track on
<v Speaker 1>side two, it's a song called Gods of War. This
<v Speaker 1>song has Ronald Reagan sounding like Dirty Harry. This is
<v Speaker 1>kind of a diehard the Hunter.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Pyromania ye jacked up on steroids. Yeah, so it's
<v Speaker 3>a little tougher. I felt like a little they're trying
<v Speaker 3>to kind of get into that Metallica side of things
<v Speaker 3>a little bit, but it's still very mud laying.
<v Speaker 1>Very highly produced. I think this is a song that
<v Speaker 1>if it had a killer video behind it, it could
<v Speaker 1>have been a successful single. The chorus in this song
<v Speaker 1>is awesome. They only play it twice, and then you
<v Speaker 1>close out with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan saying you
<v Speaker 1>thought America is going to be passive, you counted wrong,
<v Speaker 1>and then all these you know, war stuff and hey,
<v Speaker 1>let's go okay. Song after that is a song called
<v Speaker 1>Don't Shoot Shotgun, catchy song. I know all the words.
<v Speaker 1>It's a little goofy, more sex, more guns. There you go.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the oldest songs on the album.
<v Speaker 1>Jim Simon actually worked on this with the band. Good song.
<v Speaker 1>Not a great song, but a good song. Moving on
<v Speaker 1>to a song called run Riot for Me, this is
<v Speaker 1>the weakest track on the album. I mean it's it's
<v Speaker 1>a good song. I still love it, but it's not
<v Speaker 1>a not a high recommend for me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just I mean to shoot you straight. On
<v Speaker 3>the B side, I had to push through. I had
<v Speaker 3>to push through to get through these hysterias.
<v Speaker 1>Obviously.
<v Speaker 3>On the B side, and it's a decent song, but
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the songs I had to just kind
<v Speaker 3>of force myself to listen through.
<v Speaker 1>All. Okay, well, run Right is not the best track
<v Speaker 1>on the album. Number ten track.
<v Speaker 3>Hysteria, Hysteria which I'll do something for you. Now you
<v Speaker 3>know you gave us that little Archies gold nugget.
<v Speaker 1>I'll do something for you. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So this song is Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd.
<v Speaker 1>Wow Wow Wow. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Goodbye Blue Sky by Pink Floyd off the Wall album.
<v Speaker 3>It's one of my favorite songs off the album, and
<v Speaker 3>it's unmistakable. You know when you when you when you
<v Speaker 3>hear hysteria. If you're a semi Pink Floyd fan, you're
<v Speaker 3>gonna go. This sounds familiar. If you're a big Pink
<v Speaker 3>Floyd fan, you're gonna go. Are they playing Goodbye Blue Sky?
<v Speaker 1>Huh? Because it's bottomn wow. I've never heard that before.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a Pink Floyd guy, so wow. So you
<v Speaker 1>blew my mind with the Archies, Thank you. I'll blow
<v Speaker 1>your mind with Pink Floyd and we can keep on rolling. Well,
<v Speaker 1>that's cool for me. Goodbye Blue skuy Aside, this song
<v Speaker 1>is gorgeous. Yeah, it's layer upon layer upon layer of
<v Speaker 1>guitars and just it just sings to my soul. I
<v Speaker 1>love this song. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I think the reason one of the reasons that I
<v Speaker 3>like this song so much is that it reminds me
<v Speaker 3>so much of the Pink Floyd style. And I said
<v Speaker 3>that about I said that about some of the songs
<v Speaker 3>from Pyromania as well. They're definitely taking some ideas from
<v Speaker 3>the Pink Floyd library and running with them and make
<v Speaker 3>them there out.
<v Speaker 1>I did hear Phil Collen talk about how he and
<v Speaker 1>Rick Savage had come together with some different ideas, and
<v Speaker 1>Rick Savage had played this guitar part and Phil Collen
<v Speaker 1>would play there that little strum that we talked about yep.
<v Speaker 1>And it was very similar to when we talked about
<v Speaker 1>right now from Van Halen. Two guys different rooms working
<v Speaker 1>on the same song. They just didn't know it. When
<v Speaker 1>they came together. They say, well, I'm working on this.
<v Speaker 1>Oh that sounds good. Hey, I've been working on this. Hey,
<v Speaker 1>that sounds good. And they put it together and that
<v Speaker 1>became this song. So this song did very well. I
<v Speaker 1>think it reached number ten. Not this was definitely a
<v Speaker 1>put it on the Girlfriend Makeout Mix of eighty eight, right, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>ye are you excitable? Are you excited? Okay? Excitable? This
<v Speaker 1>was Mutlange's attempt at making some sort of rock dance song. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of vaguely naughty at the beginning, right, No,
<v Speaker 1>are you excitable? Right? I like it. It's good, It's
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of got.
<v Speaker 3>It's got that same thing going the action what's the
<v Speaker 3>action song from Action not Words, Action not Words from Pyromania.
<v Speaker 1>It's got that same kind of subtlety going. Yeah. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I have the Hysteria Super Deluxe Edition and it has
<v Speaker 1>a excitable the orgasmic.
<v Speaker 3>Mix, Oh my goodness.
<v Speaker 1>And then finally we top it all off with Love
<v Speaker 1>and Affection, which for me, this is another song that
<v Speaker 1>could have been released as a single. If you could
<v Speaker 1>put a put a cool video with this, it could
<v Speaker 1>have been a huge hit. Yeah. I love Love and Affection.
<v Speaker 1>I am standing on this hill and dying. Love and
<v Speaker 1>Affection is in the top percent of the songs on
<v Speaker 1>this altum.
<v Speaker 3>You have to say, I'm ranking it up for sure
<v Speaker 3>on the top percentage.
<v Speaker 1>I rank it above Lovevites. I like it better than
<v Speaker 1>the Wow. Yeah okay, so it's it's just a it's
<v Speaker 1>a really cool song, all right.
<v Speaker 3>So you know, the band sadly Highs and Lows, Highs
<v Speaker 3>and Lows. Tragically, after they finished their tour, Steve Clark
<v Speaker 3>lost his battle with alcoholism. It had been a constant
<v Speaker 3>issue that he had to deal with. His fiance came
<v Speaker 3>to the band couple different times to go, hey, guys,
<v Speaker 3>I mean and they were all heavy drinkers. And Phil Collen,
<v Speaker 3>his guitar partner the Terror Twins, was his drinking buddy,
<v Speaker 3>and at some point Phil Collen said, I've got to quit.
<v Speaker 3>And so Steve, who had dealt with depression and used
<v Speaker 3>alcohol as a way to deal with that, suddenly has
<v Speaker 3>lost his drinking buddy and his downward spiral could not
<v Speaker 3>be stopped despite multiple attempts.
<v Speaker 1>They sent him to rehab for a significant portion.
<v Speaker 3>Of time, and he was just biting his time until
<v Speaker 3>he could start drinking again.
<v Speaker 1>He was in the looney bin where yeah, Joeli it
<v Speaker 1>talks about that with the people that talked to Trees. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he had some significant personal problems, yep, and they were
<v Speaker 1>one of these deals were like, look, dude, if you
<v Speaker 1>don't straighten up, you're on the band, right, And it's
<v Speaker 1>such a hard thing. You don't you know, until you walk.
<v Speaker 3>A mile in somebody else's shoes, you cannot judge their actions.
<v Speaker 3>I had I actually had a friend from high school.
<v Speaker 3>I'm forty five four years old. I had a friend
<v Speaker 3>from high school die three weeks ago from his paddle
<v Speaker 3>with alcoholism. If you've if you've got that problem, and
<v Speaker 3>you've got that depression that you're dealing with, you get
<v Speaker 3>to ask yourself, would you rather not be alive? Or
<v Speaker 3>would you rather just not be sad? And if the
<v Speaker 3>answers you'd just rather not be sad? Please seek professional help.
<v Speaker 3>There are people out there who love you, who want.
<v Speaker 1>You to stay around, right. I thought it was interesting.
<v Speaker 1>On the inside cover of Hysteria, the band said, sorry,
<v Speaker 1>we were gone so long from Paramania. It took us
<v Speaker 1>a long time to get here. We won't be gone
<v Speaker 1>this long ever again. Right. Well, with the problems that
<v Speaker 1>they had and the death of Steve Clark, they were
<v Speaker 1>gone even longer. So I remember where I was sitting
<v Speaker 1>when I heard the news of Steve Clark had died.
<v Speaker 1>I was such a big deaf Leopard fan, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>sitting around of course, this is before the internet. This
<v Speaker 1>is nineteen ninety, Like, when in the crap are they
<v Speaker 1>going to get a new album out right? And I'm
<v Speaker 1>sitting on my wife's bed as we're cleaning upper room.
<v Speaker 1>We're working on something, and the radio says sad Announce
<v Speaker 1>with Steve Clark died, and I'm like, what, Yeah, it
<v Speaker 1>blew me away? All right, so we're ready to dive in.
<v Speaker 1>Are we ready to talk final judgment? Let's talk final judgment? Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So I got to say I said this in the
<v Speaker 3>first episode when we started talking about Pyromania. When I
<v Speaker 3>listened to Pyramania for the first time, it really was
<v Speaker 3>like I was listening to it for the first time
<v Speaker 3>because I didn't listen to it when I was a kid.
<v Speaker 3>I would see the videos that came on, but I
<v Speaker 3>never owned the album. I was never a big Deaf
<v Speaker 3>Leopard fan, and so I when I listened to the
<v Speaker 3>album for the first time, it was like, hey, them
<v Speaker 3>back in the early eighties, and I'm just imagining myself
<v Speaker 3>with my headphones in my room, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And I put that on and I was like, Wow,
<v Speaker 1>this is really good. I was blown away, and I
<v Speaker 1>mean I knew def Leppard from Hysteria.
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I remember dances with Pour some Sugar
<v Speaker 3>on Me, blowing it up and love bites and dancing
<v Speaker 3>with the girl, and there's a.
<v Speaker 1>Lot of emotion there, so I knew them from that.
<v Speaker 3>But to go back and listen to Pyromania, I thought
<v Speaker 3>when we started this conversation, I thought, Okay, well, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna be making the argument for Hysteria.
<v Speaker 1>Because those are the songs that I know. But going back,
<v Speaker 1>Pyromania is my album.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I will listen to that. I will listen to
<v Speaker 3>that one over and over again. When I got you know,
<v Speaker 3>when I got to Too Late for Love and you've
<v Speaker 3>got the swirling wind going on, and you've got that
<v Speaker 3>guitar that comes in and Joe Elliott singing on top
<v Speaker 3>of that, just the wind, the guitar and Joe Elliott's
<v Speaker 3>voice and then bam, you get hit with that the
<v Speaker 3>chorus and the harmony of the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, holy crap, this is freaking awesome. I
<v Speaker 3>was telling people. I was like, we're doing this right now.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, have you listened to this album lately?
<v Speaker 3>I became an evangelist.
<v Speaker 1>That is so cool.
<v Speaker 3>Man for Pyromania, and I was just like, this is
<v Speaker 3>really really good.
<v Speaker 1>And then we're doing Hysteria.
<v Speaker 3>So I started listening to Hysteria, and like we talked
<v Speaker 3>about Side A Solid right, and I'm listening, I'm like, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm remembering all these songs, but as I'm listening to it,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, these don't appeal to me the same way
<v Speaker 3>that they did before.
<v Speaker 1>They're good.
<v Speaker 3>I still have an emotional connection. It's that nostalgia that
<v Speaker 3>you've talked about before. But as I'm driving in my
<v Speaker 3>car from here on out, I can say, if I'm
<v Speaker 3>driving my car and you can present me with only
<v Speaker 3>two options, I'm picking Pyromania over Hysteria.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, that is really cool. First of all, the fact
<v Speaker 1>that you have discovered one of the eighties great rock
<v Speaker 1>albums is super cool. Yeah. And I have had people
<v Speaker 1>who have commented on the podcast it only took me
<v Speaker 1>forty years. Hey, well, that's so cool, and I'm glad
<v Speaker 1>to be sort of a part of that deal for you. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I have had people comment on the podcast to me
<v Speaker 1>that they had forgotten how much they enjoyed Spaceboll's or
<v Speaker 1>Airplane or Bad. I've had a lot of people tell
<v Speaker 1>me that they now appreciate bad better. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And when we did the Van Halen episode and I
<v Speaker 3>started listening to all the Sammy songs again, I was like, man, these.
<v Speaker 1>Are these are pretty darn good.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was kind of like, eh, I still
<v Speaker 3>like Dave better, but I was really impressed that, you know, hey,
<v Speaker 3>I should have given these more of a chance than
<v Speaker 3>I did.
<v Speaker 1>And this one was just I mean, it was brand new.
<v Speaker 1>It was brand new for me, and I loved it. Well,
<v Speaker 1>that's really cool. I'm so glad to be a part
<v Speaker 1>of that. Now. I got to tell you why you're
<v Speaker 1>off face, all right, Yeah, okay, So first of all,
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love Pyramedia. Okay, so I am the world's
<v Speaker 1>biggest def Leppard fan. I think I'm probably have said
<v Speaker 1>it many times. I'm not really good at masking my feelings.
<v Speaker 1>But for me, Hysteria is the soundtrack for my high
<v Speaker 1>school years. I'm ultra nostalgic, but I think these songs
<v Speaker 1>are just great. I mean, they're all great, but Pyramania
<v Speaker 1>is great too. So what's the dividing what's the breaking
<v Speaker 1>point for me? Yeah? So for me, Pyromania is the
<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa Yeah of pop metal albums. Okay, it's perfection. Okay, okay, Now,
<v Speaker 1>then Hysteria is the Mona Lisa except for the girl
<v Speaker 1>looks like Jennifer Lopez. All Right, they took they took
<v Speaker 1>something perfect and made it perfect or okay, they made
<v Speaker 1>it better, you know. And we didn't talk about that.
<v Speaker 3>But Mutt Lang, he came to the guys after coming
<v Speaker 3>back into the album. He's like, do you guys really
<v Speaker 3>want to make Pyromania too? And the answers no, that
<v Speaker 3>we want to do something different and we want to
<v Speaker 3>do something better. We want to take it up a notch.
<v Speaker 3>But the question is did they take it up a
<v Speaker 3>notch in your opinion?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Okay, did they did? And I'll tell you kind
<v Speaker 1>of where I am when Mutt Lang goes and gets
<v Speaker 1>coffee in nineteen eighty seven January of ninetis and comes
<v Speaker 1>back and walks by and Joy is playing on the
<v Speaker 1>guitar and he's.
<v Speaker 4>Love's like a bomb man to come and get it
<v Speaker 4>on living like another with a er my phone looking
<v Speaker 4>like a tramp Lager video on Ma'm damn woman canapeo
<v Speaker 4>man man, and.
<v Speaker 1>He says, stop the presses. We need to add that
<v Speaker 1>song listen baby good sometimes right, Okay, actually do that right,
<v Speaker 1>the accidental drip. The difference between Pyramede and Hysteria is
<v Speaker 1>that song. Okay, you take you remove pors some Sugar
<v Speaker 1>on Me, and those albums are deadweight on the scale.
<v Speaker 1>They're even and for me, the absolute mind blowing power
<v Speaker 1>of that song poor Some Sugar on Me tips the
<v Speaker 1>scales first.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So you and I are on the same page
<v Speaker 3>on poor Some Sugar on Me. And this you know,
<v Speaker 3>in this experience that we have of making this podcast
<v Speaker 3>and listening to albums and learning about the albums, I've
<v Speaker 3>told you that listening to the producers and what their
<v Speaker 3>impact is, I had no idea, right, Mutt Lang has
<v Speaker 3>a huge effect on Pyromania, and I think an even
<v Speaker 3>bigger effect. And here's I'm going to put it as
<v Speaker 3>simply as I can. The more produced an album is
<v Speaker 3>the more to me, it sounds kind of canned. And
<v Speaker 3>so you know, you talk about whether nostalgia is really
<v Speaker 3>the thing that influences or not. I can say when
<v Speaker 3>I hear love bites, I can remember slow dancing with
<v Speaker 3>a girl. I can remember when I hear poor Some
<v Speaker 3>Sugar on Me, the crowd going crazy and everybody dance
<v Speaker 3>in like Lord of the Flies, and it was awesome.
<v Speaker 3>But if you take that part out, if you take
<v Speaker 3>that experience out, if I'm just listening to hysteria in
<v Speaker 3>the car, it's not got the same connection. It doesn't
<v Speaker 3>have that emotion because it's so produced. Mut Lang wanted
<v Speaker 3>perfection and he achieved it. It's just that perfection kind
<v Speaker 3>of leaves me a little bit cold. I like, and
<v Speaker 3>obviously Pyromania is really really produced, right, I.
<v Speaker 1>Mean, they spent so much time on it.
<v Speaker 3>It's a heavily produced animal, but it's not as much
<v Speaker 3>And it's those little moments like in Too Late for
<v Speaker 3>Love where you're breaking it down, where it's a guitar
<v Speaker 3>and a singer and then a chorus and a harmony, that's.
<v Speaker 1>The best part.
<v Speaker 3>And in Pour Some Sugar on Me, it's not hyper produced.
<v Speaker 3>It's drums and a singer and a simple, simple blues lick.
<v Speaker 3>That makes this song so good. It's that they've taken
<v Speaker 3>out the overproduction that makes poor Some Sugar on Me
<v Speaker 3>so good. And I agree with you. If you take
<v Speaker 3>Pour Some Sugar out of that album, it's not a
<v Speaker 3>spectacular album. I'm telling you Pyromania is better overall because
<v Speaker 3>the songs are good from beginning to end. It doesn't
<v Speaker 3>have the sparkling, big hitter that pour Some Sugar on
<v Speaker 3>Me is. But if you lose poor Some Sugar on
<v Speaker 3>Me from Hysteria, Pyromania is obviously a better album.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I don't know. Here's what I'll
<v Speaker 1>be interested to see once we put this out on
<v Speaker 1>social media. This is gonna be very similar to Michael Jackson,
<v Speaker 1>So thriller bad, thriller bad, thrill bad, thriller bad, and
<v Speaker 1>then we get the occasional off the wall person. So
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna hear somebody's gonna say I and DRIs of this.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna we're gonna hear it. Yeah, trust me, we're
<v Speaker 1>gonna hear it.
<v Speaker 3>Now, if somebody says Adrenalized is the best album they're out,
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have to see your ide Did you show
<v Speaker 3>me your idea?
<v Speaker 1>Adrenalize is kind of the third in the trilogy, you know,
<v Speaker 1>they kind of see it as the trilogy, but it
<v Speaker 1>is a down well, but it's it is. It was
<v Speaker 1>your candy rock. It was candy rock.
<v Speaker 3>They took it that they just kept getting more and
<v Speaker 3>more pop and pop and poppy pop.
<v Speaker 1>And then it's like eating chocoate Jim Cookies for dinner.
<v Speaker 1>It's too much. Yeah, but for me it's hysteria. For you,
<v Speaker 1>it's paramedia. Yeah, I love them both. Yeah. What do
<v Speaker 1>you think we want to hear from you guys?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me just say I walked in today so
<v Speaker 3>excited because I love doing this with Jason. He's my
<v Speaker 3>best friend and knock knuckles there, Yeah, we're falls. I
<v Speaker 3>love geeking out with him, but I love listening to
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when we're going to talk about Braveheart and Gladiator. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>and on this one we can say with some strength
<v Speaker 3>we do not love both.
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<v Speaker 1>after this one, you want to hear a real argument
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