Working the Land | Work Smarter, Not Harder!
Working the land is directly correlated with being a good steward of the land. Get advice on how you can work your landscape in a way that’s smarter, not harder, for both you and the land.
2025-10-11
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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. <v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella <v Speaker 1>me Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy. <v Speaker 1>Sometimes I feel like a farmer, you know, when you're <v Speaker 1>out there working in your landscape. It's like you're working <v Speaker 1>your piece of land, your own, very own piece of land, <v Speaker 1>and I don't know, just stand out there, be outstanding <v Speaker 1>in the field like a farmer. And falls a great <v Speaker 1>time of the year to be working the land. From <v Speaker 1>a design perspective, plant materials have three major functions in <v Speaker 1>the landscape, esthetic, structural, and utilitarian, and when we work <v Speaker 1>the land, we're taking advantage of those benefits for our property. <v Speaker 1>There's many ways where it just feels when I'm out <v Speaker 1>there like I'm working the land. I like that feeling. <v Speaker 2>It is a good feeling. I like feeling like I'm <v Speaker 2>taking care of the land. But do you realize that <v Speaker 2>you said you just said something controversial? <v Speaker 1>Did I really? Well? <v Speaker 2>You did? You said plant material A lot of people <v Speaker 2>take issue with the term. No, you know, no problem <v Speaker 2>with it. I get it right, but a lot of <v Speaker 2>people and I was surprised to hear this, but a <v Speaker 2>lot of people take offense to the term plant material Wow. <v Speaker 2>And you know, in the context of being stewards of <v Speaker 2>the land, it's like that kind of treats it like, well, <v Speaker 2>you know, you're undergoing a bathroom renovation, so that's like <v Speaker 2>your bathroom renovation materials your plant The plants that you <v Speaker 2>plant in the yard are not just materials. They are <v Speaker 2>you know, living things. I don't know, I don't have <v Speaker 2>a strong opinion about it, but it did. It did <v Speaker 2>surprise me that you get. <v Speaker 1>It's a lot like it's not dirt, it's soil. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that I feel strongly about. <v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, exactly. See one minute in and I've already. <v Speaker 2>Learned something hot takes right off the bat. <v Speaker 1>But it's true. And when we work the land, we <v Speaker 1>can work smarter, not harder. I think about weed control, <v Speaker 1>for example, if only people would listen to me and <v Speaker 1>not have that scorched earth policy in spring spraying weeds here, <v Speaker 1>there and everywhere. There are things you can do. For example, <v Speaker 1>the bigger the weeds get, the more difficult they are <v Speaker 1>to control. So the most effective way to deal with <v Speaker 1>weeds is to get them before they're established, or at <v Speaker 1>a stage when you can lightly disturb them in the <v Speaker 1>soil and they'll die. So I think that that's a <v Speaker 1>great approach. Same thing with fall, taking care of weeds <v Speaker 1>and identifying weeds winter annuals so they're not a problem <v Speaker 1>in spring, even perennial weeds who are translocating into the <v Speaker 1>root system for fall. Just like the trees, you do <v Speaker 1>some selective spraying in the fall, you're able to better <v Speaker 1>control weeds. So there's many ways in the landscape stacy <v Speaker 1>where we can work smarter, not harder. <v Speaker 2>And you know, I think that we can sit here <v Speaker 2>and give a lot of tips on how you and <v Speaker 2>I have discovered different ways to work smarter, not harder. <v Speaker 2>But one of the things that's just so great about <v Speaker 2>gardening is that everyone discovers what those different things are <v Speaker 2>for their unique property, for their unique location, and for <v Speaker 2>their own unique style of working. You know, we all <v Speaker 2>find our little shortcuts and tips and tricks, and sometimes <v Speaker 2>those are the result of what we thought was a <v Speaker 2>mistake and we learned something from them and said, oh, <v Speaker 2>actually that works out pretty great. I'm going to do <v Speaker 2>that from now on. So it's not like these aren't <v Speaker 2>necessarily set in stone things. We're going to share some <v Speaker 2>tips and ideas that you and I have developed over <v Speaker 2>the years. In fact, plants on Trial is going to <v Speaker 2>be a work smarter, not harder speed round. But yeah, <v Speaker 2>it's it's each of us discover those things. So if <v Speaker 2>you have a work smarter not harder tip, you know, <v Speaker 2>leave it as a comment for us on YouTube, or <v Speaker 2>write to us at Gardening Simplified on air dot com. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, and fall is the perfect time the year to <v Speaker 1>work smarter not harder. I just mentioned the weed control <v Speaker 1>but having false strategies. Fall is a time of transformation, <v Speaker 1>so fall cleanup is often viewed as a chore raking leaves, <v Speaker 1>cutting back plants, tidying ever every corner. But you don't <v Speaker 1>need to do that. <v Speaker 2>Eck no, I certainly do not. I would prefer I <v Speaker 2>didn't exact, because what are you gonna look at all winter? <v Speaker 2>What are the birds going to do? You know? I <v Speaker 2>would rather have the garden look a mess. Well, it <v Speaker 2>doesn't look a mess to me, but I'm sure to <v Speaker 2>most people are like, what in the world is this <v Speaker 2>person doing? And have that be untidy and let the <v Speaker 2>birds scramble through there and have something to look at. Otherwise, <v Speaker 2>what am I looking at? Just bear soil and you know, yeah, <v Speaker 2>mush snow. <v Speaker 1>It's like trees shedding leaves. Why not take advantage of <v Speaker 1>that bony that the trees are giving us. I shred leaves, <v Speaker 1>use them in my landscape as mulch. And really doing <v Speaker 1>some reading the other day the International Society of Arborists, <v Speaker 1>and they had a really interesting article on the nitrogen <v Speaker 1>content in leaves. And I'm thinking, if I use these leaves, <v Speaker 1>I'm working smarter, not harder. And then I took it <v Speaker 1>to the next level, Stacy, So you know that I've <v Speaker 1>got this machine where I grind up the leaves and I, <v Speaker 1>you know, like maple leaves, and I use them in <v Speaker 1>my landscape. I'm working the land. But I've really gotten <v Speaker 1>into honey locust leaves. Oh yeah, like a sunburst honey <v Speaker 1>locust or wherever you see them everywhere, And as they <v Speaker 1>shed the leaves, they're already pre ground up, so tiny, <v Speaker 1>they're so tiny. And within this article, this Arborist article, <v Speaker 1>I found that honey locust was rated near the top <v Speaker 1>as far as nitrogen content is concerned. <v Speaker 2>That's not surprising. It's in the bean family and we <v Speaker 2>all know that, you know, beans and soybeans and so <v Speaker 2>forth fix nitrogen in the soil, and when they do that, <v Speaker 2>that foliage actually takes that nitrogen, so it is naturally <v Speaker 2>higher in nitrogen because of the fabaesi or bean family's <v Speaker 2>ability to fix nitrogen from the soil. So it's win <v Speaker 2>when although we all know that it's a beggars can't <v Speaker 2>be chooser situation for you with leaves, you just take <v Speaker 2>whatever you can get off the street. But how are <v Speaker 2>you ensuring you get honeylocust? <v Speaker 1>Oh? Because I identify the trees. <v Speaker 2>Well, you have one under You're driving around and you're like, <v Speaker 2>that person has a honeylocust. I'm like scoping them out <v Speaker 2>for their leaf. <v Speaker 1>There's a park. There's a park near my house and <v Speaker 1>they have pretty honey locust trees there. And when the <v Speaker 1>leaves fall off, I just take leaf bags and pick <v Speaker 1>them up and then I use them in my landscape. <v Speaker 2>Do you wear an orange vest so people think you're <v Speaker 2>a park personnell while they're doing this. <v Speaker 1>It's okay, folks, I'm a trained professional. Nothing to see. <v Speaker 2>I mean, you're doing them a favor. It's just you know. <v Speaker 1>But still I think that it works out really really well, <v Speaker 1>and then I feel like a farmer, like I'm working <v Speaker 1>the land, like I'm taking the natural bounty from the land. <v Speaker 1>Here's a dad joke for you. What's a farmer's favorite <v Speaker 1>rock song? <v Speaker 2>Maggie's Farm by Bob Dylan. Good. <v Speaker 1>Try living in the USDA. Bruce Springsteen, Right, that's really good. <v Speaker 2>Born in the USDA, Born in the us. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it. Living in the USDA would be John <v Speaker 1>Cougar Mellencamp. You're right. Yeah, born in the USDA would <v Speaker 1>be Bruce Springsteen. And you improved my joke. As bad <v Speaker 1>as it is, I grew a crop of beans this <v Speaker 1>year organically they died of natural causes. That's another bad one. Okay, <v Speaker 1>I'll move on. By the way, I wanted to mention <v Speaker 1>something here too, working the land. Have some friends who <v Speaker 1>live in Nebraska and in the Plain States, and they <v Speaker 1>really deal with a lot of wind. But you can <v Speaker 1>take advantage of the wind in your landscape where maybe <v Speaker 1>you determine where the prevailing winds are coming from and <v Speaker 1>grow some hedging or some plants that help block the <v Speaker 1>wind in winter, or maybe it's really hot around your <v Speaker 1>house in summer and you want to create a tunnel <v Speaker 1>effect where you feed the wind in a nice breeze. <v Speaker 1>All of these things are things that you can look <v Speaker 1>at when you work the land. And by the way, again, <v Speaker 1>living on the shores of Lake Michigan, I'm very familiar <v Speaker 1>with a website windfinder dot com. That's a fun website <v Speaker 1>to go to, and if you go to windfinder dot com, <v Speaker 1>you're able to see where, what direction the wind predominantly <v Speaker 1>comes from in your area, at what month of the year. <v Speaker 1>For example, where I live on the lake shore, in November, <v Speaker 1>fifty six percent of the time, winds are at eight <v Speaker 1>to twenty five miles per hour. Wow, that's cooking. <v Speaker 2>That's a lot. Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of wind, <v Speaker 2>I think another really important consideration that people should bear <v Speaker 2>in mind is for snow. If you live in a <v Speaker 2>groat climate, I can't tell you how many times you'll <v Speaker 2>be driving down the country road and you're driving along <v Speaker 2>it's a snowy day and la la la lah lah, <v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden there's a house with <v Speaker 2>no plantings and the snow just drifts there. <v Speaker 1>You go. <v Speaker 2>So, if you are the person who's like, gosh, wire <v Speaker 2>car is always getting it stuck in front of my house, <v Speaker 2>it would be a good time to consider planting a <v Speaker 2>wind break because that will make a world of difference exactly. <v Speaker 1>So that's why I mentioned the windfinder website and living <v Speaker 1>on the lake shore, people are always looking to you know, <v Speaker 1>kite surf and that, and so they're interested in that. <v Speaker 1>Let me give you a limb a rick today, as <v Speaker 1>we work the land like farmers, it's kind of a <v Speaker 1>work in the land mentality. I have a new mentality <v Speaker 1>to improve my landscape's functionality. Need solutions that are cheap, <v Speaker 1>not a price tag that steep First and foremost. I <v Speaker 1>practice frugality doesn't have to be totally grand. I also <v Speaker 1>don't want something that's bland at efficient is my domain name. <v Speaker 1>Get it Done is my claim to fame. Just a <v Speaker 1>plant lover, work in the land in any weather. I'm <v Speaker 1>not in my hovel in self pity. You won't see <v Speaker 1>me grovel. I'm American Gothic with a pitchfork. I sling <v Speaker 1>mulch and dirt with great torque. I get it done. <v Speaker 1>When push comes to shovel, there you go. So we're <v Speaker 1>gonna do a speed round. <v Speaker 2>We're doing a speed round for plants on trial. <v Speaker 1>That's Coming up next here on the Gardening Simplified. <v Speaker 2>Show, beautify your home and community with Proven Winner's Color <v Speaker 2>Choice Shrubs. With over three hundred and twenty five unique <v Speaker 2>varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for <v Speaker 2>every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive <v Speaker 2>white container your local garden center or learn more at <v Speaker 2>Proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. We're reading's gardening friends, <v Speaker 2>and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the <v Speaker 2>order of the day is all about working the land, <v Speaker 2>which is to say, taking care of your land like <v Speaker 2>a good steward or a farmer. And you know, it's <v Speaker 2>not just about the plants. The plants are what we <v Speaker 2>focus on because most people when they think of gardening, <v Speaker 2>they're thinking about plants and tending plants, but really the <v Speaker 2>land that you plant those plants in requires tending in <v Speaker 2>many different ways as well. And of course it helps <v Speaker 2>to think of your whole yard as a place that <v Speaker 2>you tend, not just you know, a place where your <v Speaker 2>plant plants. So normally, at this time in the show, <v Speaker 2>what we do is I'll tell you all about one <v Speaker 2>of the three hundred and fifty plus proven winner's color choice <v Speaker 2>shrubs and you can decide if you're going to put <v Speaker 2>it in your garden. But of course, with such a <v Speaker 2>broad topic, I mean, how would I possibly narrow it down. <v Speaker 2>It's a perfect plant for today. So instead we're doing <v Speaker 2>a work smarter not harder speed round. Yes, and we <v Speaker 2>do a couple speed rounds every now and then. And <v Speaker 2>basically what that means is we just have different topics <v Speaker 2>and we just try I'm usually bad at this, Rick <v Speaker 2>is pretty good at this to quickly give you an <v Speaker 2>answer on that. But I do have to say I <v Speaker 2>think that because we were being very tip based here, <v Speaker 2>it might need a little bit It's like a speed <v Speaker 2>ish round, okay, so we might need to have like <v Speaker 2>a little bit of you know, expository ghetto information around it. <v Speaker 1>Expository. <v Speaker 2>So if this is your first time joining to ask <v Speaker 2>for a speed round, we are often speedier in our <v Speaker 2>speed round. This is just going to be but the <v Speaker 2>information is good, so stick with us. So all right, <v Speaker 2>to kick it off, since it is October, what is <v Speaker 2>your favorite work smarter not harder fall tip? <v Speaker 1>Oh I could give you hundreds, I'll give you one. <v Speaker 1>Move plants around best time of the year to move plants, <v Speaker 1>rearrange your garden. <v Speaker 2>Yep, you know, I hear from so many people. Is <v Speaker 2>now a good time? Yes? The answer is absolutely yes. <v Speaker 2>And you know we've talked about it before. I think <v Speaker 2>we recently did a show on it. If it's on <v Speaker 2>your mind, you were thinking in summer home, man, these <v Speaker 2>things are getting too close. I don't really like that. <v Speaker 2>Now is the perfect time, even if you're in a <v Speaker 2>colder zone. If you're in a warmer zone than we <v Speaker 2>are here in West Michigan, maybe a couple more weeks <v Speaker 2>down the line, if things are really still kicking. My <v Speaker 2>fault tip is plant bulbs, and lots of them, because <v Speaker 2>you don't need to plant them one at a time. Now. <v Speaker 2>If you have great, big bulbs, like a really fancy <v Speaker 2>alium sure or a frittle area, those you're probably gonna <v Speaker 2>plant one at a time. But when we're talking about daffodil's, tulips, <v Speaker 2>minor bulbs, all of this kind of stuff, it's best <v Speaker 2>what I always do. Dig a big hole, cram it <v Speaker 2>full of bulbs, cover it right back up and it <v Speaker 2>looks fabulous in the spring. <v Speaker 1>Word of the day swaths, Yes, swatz. <v Speaker 2>And it doesn't require digging one hundred different holes. You <v Speaker 2>dig like five holes and put twenty five bulbs in them. <v Speaker 2>So that's working smarter, not harder, and you'll be real <v Speaker 2>grateful you did that in the spring. Next up, work <v Speaker 2>smarter not harder. Planting tip. <v Speaker 1>Great follow up to your answer. My planting tip was <v Speaker 1>make like a squirrel and plant long lasting deer resistant <v Speaker 1>bulbs like fritile areas, aliums, dutch iris, daffodils. Oh all <v Speaker 1>deer resistant. <v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, the squirrels are going bananas right now. Oh <v Speaker 2>my gosh. Mine is a general tip, not just specifically <v Speaker 2>for fall. But a lot of people don't realize this, <v Speaker 2>but as long as you are not using a dehandled shovel, <v Speaker 2>you're using a straight handled shovel, turn that thing the <v Speaker 2>other way around and use that to gauge the depth <v Speaker 2>and width of your whole. Compare it to the plant <v Speaker 2>that you have out of the hole. Rather than lifting <v Speaker 2>a thing up, putting it in, lift it up, put <v Speaker 2>it in, move it around. Use that to gauge the <v Speaker 2>depth in the midth of your hole. So much easier. <v Speaker 2>You just use your hand. It doesn't have to be exact, <v Speaker 2>but it's still a much faster weighted plant properly. I <v Speaker 2>like it all right. Next up pruning tip. <v Speaker 1>Weight on both roses and ornamental grasses. They're beautiful. My <v Speaker 1>roses don't shut down until well after Thanksgiving Day. Don't <v Speaker 1>be out there pruning them. Wait. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great point, and especially if you live <v Speaker 2>in a warmer climate, you definitely don't want to prune <v Speaker 2>until they're really going to be going for a lot longer. <v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean, just wait until spring. And if <v Speaker 2>you wait until spring on roses, then they're telling you <v Speaker 2>exactly where to prune them because you're going to see <v Speaker 2>that new growth coming out, and then it's very easy <v Speaker 2>to figure out where you should actually make that cut. <v Speaker 2>And of course, for ornamental grasses, why do you want <v Speaker 2>to look at a pile of stubble all winter when <v Speaker 2>you could be looking at some really lovely ornamental grasses. <v Speaker 2>Those ornamental grasses give birds, you know, material for making <v Speaker 2>nests and for insulating birdhouses so they can make it <v Speaker 2>through winter better. <v Speaker 1>Did you say it gives birds material? <v Speaker 2>I did say material? <v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, hot take. <v Speaker 2>Does a plant become plant material when it's dormant, like <v Speaker 2>like an ornamental grass? Because this is what you're talking <v Speaker 2>about the weeds. <v Speaker 1>Now. <v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, I don't personally have a trouble <v Speaker 2>with the plant material thing, but I know some people do. <v Speaker 2>My pruning, too, is a little bit more direct, and <v Speaker 2>I don't think a lot of people know this. This <v Speaker 2>is one of the first things that I learned in <v Speaker 2>horticulture school, and that is when you have your hand pruners, <v Speaker 2>they have what I guess I would call a bumpy <v Speaker 2>side where you know, the little screw is and the <v Speaker 2>little you know, gear thingy is, and they have a <v Speaker 2>flat side. So when you are pruning, you should always <v Speaker 2>face the flat side toward the plant. That helps you <v Speaker 2>get as close as possible to where you're actually making <v Speaker 2>that pruning cut. So there is kind of you know, <v Speaker 2>and sometimes it's not possible you're you know, all in <v Speaker 2>there and contorted and twistering yourself around in a plant. <v Speaker 2>But if possible, when you pick up those pruners, face <v Speaker 2>the flat side into the plant and the other side out. <v Speaker 1>That's really sharp cutting edge, uh cutting hedge? Okay, move on? <v Speaker 2>What is yours? Worksmurder not harder watering tip. <v Speaker 1>Mulch evergreens at the base so they don't go into <v Speaker 1>winter dry and use anti desk on broad leaf. <v Speaker 2>Evergreens, especially if they were newly planted this year. You know, <v Speaker 2>mulch is just one of those things I say, keep <v Speaker 2>things mulched y around, but especially for winter. It will <v Speaker 2>look better, your plants will be happier. I know some <v Speaker 2>people don't love the look of mulch, but your plants <v Speaker 2>will be so much happier that it is more than <v Speaker 2>worth it. I thought about all of this in a <v Speaker 2>much more practical and less autumnal sense. But my watering <v Speaker 2>tip is to get a shut off valve. It amazes <v Speaker 2>me how many people don't have a simple, you know, <v Speaker 2>ball shut off valve on their hose, and then what happens. <v Speaker 2>They go to move their sprinkler or their water and <v Speaker 2>they're kinking the hose and trying to you know, prevent <v Speaker 2>it from going all over the place. Now, most watering <v Speaker 2>wands do come with a shut off valve, not all <v Speaker 2>of them. It's kind of built in. In many cases. I <v Speaker 2>would actually prefer it to be separate, because then you <v Speaker 2>don't lose the whole thing if your shut off valve <v Speaker 2>goes bad. <v Speaker 1>And preferably one that doesn't leak. Well. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, they all get to leaking sooner or later. I'm <v Speaker 2>in the market for a new one come this spring, <v Speaker 2>because ours has definitely given up the ghost here in October. <v Speaker 2>But it's such I mean, they're like a dollar at <v Speaker 2>the hardware store, and it will change your life. It <v Speaker 2>is just so much easier, it's more efficient to use water. <v Speaker 2>You can also use it, you know, kind of dial <v Speaker 2>it down so that ball valve is just kind of <v Speaker 2>sort of cracked, and use that to dribble on to <v Speaker 2>new plants. You know, leave that running for a little <v Speaker 2>while to make sure you're thoroughly saturating newly planted trees <v Speaker 2>and shrubs. It's just a great thing to have around. <v Speaker 1>I just wet my plants. <v Speaker 2>Yes you will if you have a shut off valve. <v Speaker 2>What is your work? Smarter not harder? <v Speaker 1>Fertilizing tip most important time of the year to feed <v Speaker 1>lawns because they're focused on root growth. And I feed <v Speaker 1>trees in fall, just as the leaves are falling off. <v Speaker 1>I feed trees because the soil is still warm. Tree <v Speaker 1>is gonna benefit. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know you often benefit from rains, autumn <v Speaker 2>rains which will help to weather that fertilizer make it <v Speaker 2>available to the tree. Or other plants and then they'll <v Speaker 2>actually be able to make use of it. Mine is <v Speaker 2>to keep it to the outside ring when you are <v Speaker 2>fertilizing anything. So what's also known as the drip line. <v Speaker 2>You know, so often I think that people go out <v Speaker 2>there and they just sprinkle it all close to the plant. <v Speaker 2>And especially when we were talking about trees and shrubs <v Speaker 2>and even perennials, the closer you get into the center <v Speaker 2>of that plant, the fewer root tips there are going <v Speaker 2>to be. And it's the root tips that are the <v Speaker 2>most responsible for absorbing those nutrients and translocating it into <v Speaker 2>the plant for it to use. So you want to <v Speaker 2>concentrate your effort just in a ring sort of around <v Speaker 2>the outer edge of your plants, which actually makes it <v Speaker 2>even easier than trying to get in there, and you know, <v Speaker 2>sprinkle it up in the middle. <v Speaker 1>I love that you're in for a root to awaken it. <v Speaker 2>Are we Now? We talked a little bit about weeds <v Speaker 2>in segment one, But what is your work? Smarter not <v Speaker 2>harder weeding tip? Yes, that's the same one you said earlier. <v Speaker 1>Fall is time to you know, you're weeding by example, <v Speaker 1>when you're identifying both annual and perennial weeds in fall <v Speaker 1>and getting them in fall as opposed to spring. <v Speaker 2>Well, I kind of have two. Okay, So my number one, <v Speaker 2>and I know this is not going to be a <v Speaker 2>tip for everybody, but if you watch my summer garden tour, <v Speaker 2>it is one that I certainly give freely, and that <v Speaker 2>is grow a lot of self sowing annuals and plants, <v Speaker 2>and they will outcompete your weeds and then all of <v Speaker 2>your weeds become beautiful and useful plants instead of you know, <v Speaker 2>junkie plants that are just going to spread more like <v Speaker 2>you know, yellow nutsede or something. So I have kind <v Speaker 2>of gotten my garden to a place where my self <v Speaker 2>sowers pretty effectively, I mean not all, I certainly am <v Speaker 2>not going to pretend all, but pretty effectively out compete <v Speaker 2>smart other weeds, either because of shade or you know, <v Speaker 2>just space. My other one is, you know, goes back <v Speaker 2>to what you said, Rick, and this is a great <v Speaker 2>winter project for you know when to snap and no <v Speaker 2>when to pull. There are weeds that you you don't <v Speaker 2>need to pull. Just snip those flowers off, snip the <v Speaker 2>you know, or with with printers or whatever, and no <v Speaker 2>which ones you have to pull. Perennial weeds you have <v Speaker 2>to pull, but there are annual weeds where if you <v Speaker 2>simply prevent them from going to seed, you will greatly <v Speaker 2>reduce the number of that weed that you will have, <v Speaker 2>And then you don't necessarily have to go and disturb <v Speaker 2>the soil and you know, spend hours down there in <v Speaker 2>the soil pulling everything out. So it's kind of a <v Speaker 2>lazy man's way. You do obviously have to be able <v Speaker 2>to tolerate some weeds, but also I think it's also <v Speaker 2>just interesting to, you know, learn more about weeds. So <v Speaker 2>that is all we have for our speed around. I <v Speaker 2>think we did pretty pretty speedy all things considered. <v Speaker 1>I'm bad. <v Speaker 2>I knew I would be the ones to talk more, <v Speaker 2>but that's just how it is. <v Speaker 1>You know, when it comes to weeds you've got pull. <v Speaker 2>We're going to take a little break, but when we <v Speaker 2>come back, we're going to be opening up the garden <v Speaker 2>mail bags, So please stay tuned. At proven when there's <v Speaker 2>color choice shrubs, we know that a better landscape starts <v Speaker 2>with a better shrub. Our team of experts tests and <v Speaker 2>evaluates all of our flowering shrubs and evergreens for eight <v Speaker 2>to ten years. To ensure they outperform what's already on <v Speaker 2>the market. For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs to accentuate your <v Speaker 2>home and express your personal style. Look for Proven Winner's <v Speaker 2>Shrubs in the distinctive white container at your local garden center, <v Speaker 2>or learn more at proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. <v Speaker 2>Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, <v Speaker 2>where it is our pleasure to help you with your <v Speaker 2>gardening questions, quandaries and conundrums. And you know, in addition <v Speaker 2>to helping you with all of that stuff, we also <v Speaker 2>welcome your gardening celebrations and triumphs. In fact, I just <v Speaker 2>had a message from someone the other day who said, <v Speaker 2>I hope I can share some of my garden with <v Speaker 2>you next year because she just had done a bunch <v Speaker 2>of work for based on what we had recommended. And <v Speaker 2>last week I got a mysterious package in the mail <v Speaker 2>addressed to the Gardening Simplified staff, and I took it <v Speaker 2>over to Adriana and we were like, what is this, <v Speaker 2>Because you know, Rick doesn't actually work with us every day, <v Speaker 2>only when we're in studio a here recording the show, <v Speaker 2>and we already opened it. But I brought it in <v Speaker 2>so you can see what this lovely listener Cheryl uh <v Speaker 2>sent for us. Wow, all right, so you're ready. <v Speaker 1>It's kind of like, let's make a deal. Let's behind yours. <v Speaker 2>Well, this is your only option. <v Speaker 1>Is it a Macromain lawn chair? No? <v Speaker 2>No, no, those are two things you love. <v Speaker 1>But wind chimes. <v Speaker 2>It is not wind chimes. Not a good time to <v Speaker 2>talk to about wind chimes, because I was awake all <v Speaker 2>night from someone's wind chimes last night. Dang, Dane Dan anyway, <v Speaker 2>So go ahead, and we had to unwrap the box. <v Speaker 2>But you know now you can. <v Speaker 1>Open it all. Oh my, yes, fantastic. <v Speaker 2>You got to hold them mops over, I can see. <v Speaker 1>Look at that. I talked about that, I know, yes, <v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this is what Cheryl sent in her message <v Speaker 2>to us. <v Speaker 1>This is great. <v Speaker 2>Your nine twenty seven show included mention of knitted pumpkins. <v Speaker 2>In clothes, you will find a trio of crocheted kirky bits. <v Speaker 2>This one's a gourd, which I love, that one for <v Speaker 2>each of you. Crocheting is a hobby that relaxes me <v Speaker 2>and I create gifts for people who hold a special <v Speaker 2>place in my heart. I hope you'll enjoy my left <v Speaker 2>handed handiwork filled with autumn vibes. Love watching your show <v Speaker 2>each week, and I'm learning so much. And she goes <v Speaker 2>on to say that the straw flowers on this cute <v Speaker 2>little pumpkin are from her own garden. Wow, so it was. <v Speaker 1>You know, we joke around a lot, but this is <v Speaker 1>this is special. <v Speaker 2>No, it's honestly, it was so delightful. I got choked up, <v Speaker 2>honestly when I when Adriana, I know, opened up this package. <v Speaker 2>So thank you so much, Cheryl. These are absolutely beautiful. <v Speaker 2>I'm a knitter and crochetre, so I know how much <v Speaker 2>this means. And we just wanted to thank you so <v Speaker 2>much for. <v Speaker 1>Thank you your lovely gift. Thank you very much. That <v Speaker 1>is fantastic. For others who'd like to send gifts, send <v Speaker 1>us a box of fudge. Fudge yeah, fudge, know. <v Speaker 2>So send your five gallon buckets to But anyway, let's <v Speaker 2>get to some of our listener questions. And this first <v Speaker 2>question from Alicia I think is especially timely and useful <v Speaker 2>for today's theme. <v Speaker 1>Alicia says, love your show, I watch it on YouTube <v Speaker 1>every week. My question is regarding adding manure based composts <v Speaker 1>to my gardens. When's the best time to apply how <v Speaker 1>much sheep, horse, cow? Does it matter? I'm surprised she <v Speaker 1>doesn't mention chicken. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, well maybe she doesn't have access to chicken. And <v Speaker 2>she also has a second part to her question. <v Speaker 1>Oh also, I have wood chips on top of my <v Speaker 1>garden beds and there are hundreds of lady bugs where <v Speaker 1>whenever I move the chips, will it harm them? If <v Speaker 1>I move the chips and add the compost and then <v Speaker 1>move the chips back. <v Speaker 2>Okay, So what's your perspective on that manure question? <v Speaker 1>First of all, I wouldn't move the chips. I'd put <v Speaker 1>the compost right on top. <v Speaker 2>Of the chips, you would me, okay. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, stir it up and then just refresh the chips <v Speaker 1>maybe next spring or what. That's what I would do. <v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying that's what <v Speaker 1>you have to do. It's what I would do. <v Speaker 2>And what do you have a feeling about sheep, horse, cow, chicken, poultry? <v Speaker 1>Yes? <v Speaker 2>What is it? <v Speaker 1>Yes? <v Speaker 2>All all, yes, I mean. <v Speaker 1>It, I guess I just I want to work with <v Speaker 1>stuff that's composted. <v Speaker 2>Yes, of course you want it fully composted, which is <v Speaker 2>basically another way of saying it doesn't smell like its <v Speaker 2>original product anymore. It's completely decomposed and made into organic matter. <v Speaker 2>And I think the general guideline about which animals manure <v Speaker 2>you are using is whatever you can get. You know, <v Speaker 2>some of us live in areas that are maybe very <v Speaker 2>horse heavy, and so the horse maneuver is going to <v Speaker 2>be what you're gonna have. You If you live in <v Speaker 2>a dairy farming area, you're gonna get cow. If you <v Speaker 2>live out here in West Michigan, where we are making <v Speaker 2>tons and tons of poultry, especially turkeys, then it's probably <v Speaker 2>going to be poultry manure. <v Speaker 1>We have egg farms out here and they make pelletized <v Speaker 1>chicken manure pellets, yeah, that you can use on your lan. <v Speaker 2>So usually whatever is going to do whatever, is going <v Speaker 2>to be the least expensive and the most abundantly available <v Speaker 2>to you. You know, there probably are various analyzes of <v Speaker 2>you know, just like Rick was talking about earlier in <v Speaker 2>the show with the different nitrogen content and leaves. Yes, <v Speaker 2>but it's not I don't think quite so much based <v Speaker 2>on the animal as their diet, and that's really going <v Speaker 2>to vary as well, so by all means, yes, it's <v Speaker 2>great to do that and make sure it's fully composted. <v Speaker 2>I personally would not invest the time or the money <v Speaker 2>in applying manure to my garden in fall for fear <v Speaker 2>that that because it's very heavy in nitrogen. And that's great, <v Speaker 2>you want nitrogen for your plants, but I would worry <v Speaker 2>that with the relatively limited amount of time in the <v Speaker 2>growing season, that a lot of that nitrogen is just <v Speaker 2>going to leach out before it gets used by the <v Speaker 2>plants since it's growing dormant. So I would personally save <v Speaker 2>that effort for later in the season when it's going <v Speaker 2>to you know, have a definitely direct benefit for the plant. <v Speaker 1>That's what you call entremneurial savvy. <v Speaker 2>That's you know, that's just what I would do. And <v Speaker 2>I would actually move the mulch aside just because I <v Speaker 2>would rather have the compost down there. But it's okay <v Speaker 2>if it mixes a bit, because many people use compost <v Speaker 2>as mulch, and you know, that's perfectly swell if you <v Speaker 2>have enough. I would not be able to have quite enough. <v Speaker 1>Stacy, I consider you an insect expert. I'm curious and <v Speaker 1>interested how you feel about the lady. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this was an interesting question, and I feel like, <v Speaker 2>you know, a couple months ago, we talked about how <v Speaker 2>all worms in North America are essentially invasive species, and <v Speaker 2>I feel like that kind of breaks a lot of <v Speaker 2>people's hearts because as gardeners are taught, oh the more <v Speaker 2>worms that are in your soil, the better it is. Well, <v Speaker 2>I am going to break people's hearts once again because <v Speaker 2>the majority of ladybugs that are in our yards in <v Speaker 2>most of the country are actually invasive. They yeah, they're <v Speaker 2>asiatic ladybugs. Now whether they are truly harmful to our <v Speaker 2>native populations of the various ladybugs. And it's not just <v Speaker 2>like we have one ladybug. I mean, ladybugs are a <v Speaker 2>big group of insects and there's lots and lots of them. <v Speaker 2>So it's not really necessarily a situation where the asiatic <v Speaker 2>ladybugs are directly threatening our native ladybugs and causing problems <v Speaker 2>for them. But it's also not necessarily like something that <v Speaker 2>you need to feel like, oh, every single one is <v Speaker 2>you know, precious and I really need to worry about it. <v Speaker 2>But also I would say ladybugs are going to maybe <v Speaker 2>get a little bit in a kerfuffle after you move <v Speaker 2>up this mulch. But they'll just settle. They'll just settle <v Speaker 2>right back down, so I would not worry about them <v Speaker 2>at all. I do have a link that we will <v Speaker 2>add to the YouTube version about ladybugs as invasive species <v Speaker 2>and kind of understanding what they mean. People don't necessarily <v Speaker 2>recommend that you go around just killing ladybugs because they're <v Speaker 2>apparently quite difficult to tell the asiatic species from our <v Speaker 2>native species. And again they're not that threatening, but it's <v Speaker 2>still good to know that they're as cute as they are, <v Speaker 2>they're not completely innocent, so it goes all right. <v Speaker 1>Beth has what's the best way to overwinter a passion flower? <v Speaker 1>I'd say passionately right. We have had this one on <v Speaker 1>our deck for many years. Each fall we pull off <v Speaker 1>what we can from the post, cut the vines back <v Speaker 1>to three to four foot long. A new issue this <v Speaker 1>year was that the squirrel felt the support was a <v Speaker 1>perfect ladder up to the deck and he defoliated most <v Speaker 1>of the lower part of the plant. How far back <v Speaker 1>should we be cutting this plant? You know? It brings <v Speaker 1>up a great point Stacey, that yes, it's the time <v Speaker 1>of year when people are moving mandavillas and hibiscus and <v Speaker 1>passion flower inside the bug. These are plants that tend <v Speaker 1>to get bugs like aphids inside or mites. So I <v Speaker 1>personally believe cutting them back hard and then keeping them <v Speaker 1>in a cool room, a cool area, and be careful <v Speaker 1>with the water. Make sure they're not overwatered. You're gonna <v Speaker 1>rot the roots. But it's possible to do. An unheated <v Speaker 1>spare bedroom that has a window is a perfect spot <v Speaker 1>for Not everybody has that, I understand, right. <v Speaker 2>A lot of times we were just like, oh, if <v Speaker 2>you have this, yeah, and so I think the question <v Speaker 2>the answer to best question that was all. I agree <v Speaker 2>with everything you just said, Rick, But it does depend <v Speaker 2>on the passion flower. So there are actually hardy passion flowers. <v Speaker 2>We have a native passion flower that is native through <v Speaker 2>the Midwest. I don't know if it quite comes up <v Speaker 2>into Michigan, but interest certainly throughout the Midwest it grows native. <v Speaker 2>And if you have that passion flower, then you can <v Speaker 2>easily just you know, overwinter it in a protected spot. <v Speaker 2>I think it's hardy to his own six. Really yeah, <v Speaker 2>it's pretty great. And so in that case you don't <v Speaker 2>have to do anything at all. But now the tropical <v Speaker 2>passion flowers and our native one is just as showy <v Speaker 2>and just as beautiful. Well maybe not quite, but pretty close. <v Speaker 2>The tropical ones absolutely need to come indoors, obviously, since <v Speaker 2>they're tropical and they're not going to survive a cold winter. <v Speaker 2>And I think that just because the squirrel went ahead <v Speaker 2>and fully did the lower part of this plant, that <v Speaker 2>doesn't mean there aren't still buds. So I would continue <v Speaker 2>to do, you know what you've always been doing, cutting <v Speaker 2>it back, even if that means that the remaining portions <v Speaker 2>of the plant don't have foliage on them. I don't <v Speaker 2>think you're going to see much go on indoors, but <v Speaker 2>you know, as spring comes along and the days start <v Speaker 2>to get longer, then that will actually leaf out and <v Speaker 2>recover and you'll be able to put it right back <v Speaker 2>outside again. So thank y'all so much for your questions, <v Speaker 2>and thanks again to Cheryl for our lovely crocheted pumpkins. <v Speaker 2>We appreciate all of you, and we're going to take <v Speaker 2>a break and when we come back, we'll be continue <v Speaker 2>our conversation on working the land, so please stay tuned. <v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening to the gardening Simplified Podcast brought to <v Speaker 2>you by proven Winter's Color Choice. Our award winning flowering <v Speaker 2>shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested by experts with <v Speaker 2>your success in mind. Learn more at Proven Winners color <v Speaker 2>Choice dot com. <v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. As we talk <v Speaker 1>about working smarter, not harder, working the land, and I <v Speaker 1>love doing the speed round. That's that's so much fun. <v Speaker 1>We didn't get to composting tips, and of course you <v Speaker 1>know what mine's going to be. Stacey, use the leaves, <v Speaker 1>shred the leaves, use the leaves. <v Speaker 2>Are you going to talk about your shredding contraption. We're <v Speaker 2>gonna have to bring that back because you know, I <v Speaker 2>don't it's been like a year since people have heard <v Speaker 2>about your shredding contraption. <v Speaker 1>I'll fire it up and we'll have Adriana put some <v Speaker 1>video on YouTube. <v Speaker 2>All right, good, good, good, because that is that's probably <v Speaker 2>working smarter not harder. <v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and I always have. And there's an example <v Speaker 1>of working smarter not harder, because it used to be <v Speaker 1>I would put leaves in a trash can, put on <v Speaker 1>a pair of safety goggles, and then use my weed whacker. <v Speaker 2>Oh that's what I thought you were still doing. <v Speaker 1>No, No, I've got something that's oh okay, we work <v Speaker 1>and smarter or not hard. <v Speaker 2>Okay, good, I feel a lot better about that. Will <v Speaker 2>get your video, okay perfect. My composting tip is definitely <v Speaker 2>along those same lines, and that is you have to <v Speaker 2>keep a stock of browns. And it's a simple thing <v Speaker 2>that a lot of us don't think about, especially as <v Speaker 2>we're heading into winter, where if you want to continue <v Speaker 2>to compost your food scraps, you don't have any of <v Speaker 2>that brown you know, to keep that nice proportion of <v Speaker 2>brown and green. So you're putting the food scraps and <v Speaker 2>it's just getting slimy and it's not good. If you <v Speaker 2>don't have the proper proportions of browns or you know, <v Speaker 2>dry dead material and greens, you just don't get compost. <v Speaker 2>You get slime. So I recommend that you just stockpile <v Speaker 2>that stuff, whether it is stuff that you're pulling out <v Speaker 2>of your garden or leaves that you have relieved your <v Speaker 2>neighbors of. <v Speaker 1>Very well done. <v Speaker 2>You know, keep that stuff stockpiled, and you know, just <v Speaker 2>add it to the pile. Whenever you have that layer <v Speaker 2>of food scraps or whatever. Just make sure you have it, <v Speaker 2>because back in the day they used to say shredded newspaper. <v Speaker 2>But when is the last time anyone had enough newspaper <v Speaker 2>to shred? So those days are long gone and we <v Speaker 2>have to fend for ourselves on the browns. <v Speaker 1>Well done lawn care tip. I'm just going to say, <v Speaker 1>this is the time of year when we slowly start <v Speaker 1>to lower the deck. In other words, all year long, <v Speaker 1>you want to raise the deck. Have the deck high <v Speaker 1>so the plant can photosynthesize, so it shades the crown <v Speaker 1>of the plant, so it helps the grass compete with <v Speaker 1>weeds naturally. But as we get into winter, we want <v Speaker 1>to lower that deck. That way we reduce the incidents <v Speaker 1>of snow mold vul problems in. <v Speaker 2>That Yeah, that snow mold is nasty and I have <v Speaker 2>seen it plenty when I had a lawn. And my <v Speaker 2>lawn care tip is to get an electric mower if <v Speaker 2>you can, if you have a smaller yard, you know, <v Speaker 2>I think it can do most residential yards just fine. <v Speaker 2>And it's just so much more pleasant to mow the lawn. <v Speaker 2>You're not out there looking like a maniac trying to <v Speaker 2>yank that cord, and it's quiet and it's just it's <v Speaker 2>win win all around. So if you're in the market <v Speaker 2>for a new lawnmower, make it electric. Unless you have <v Speaker 2>multiple acres to mow, you will be glad you did. <v Speaker 1>I love it. So when you're working the land a <v Speaker 1>pointer here, pick your trees carefully. Remember a tree is <v Speaker 1>an investment and it grows slowly over time, so make <v Speaker 1>sure to pick the right tree right off the start, <v Speaker 1>in the right location, and then maintain your trees. Trees <v Speaker 1>are one of the most impactful elements that you add <v Speaker 1>to your landscape. But if you ignore the tree and <v Speaker 1>you don't do a necessary pruning over time, but wait <v Speaker 1>until it becomes a problem, don't do that. So that's <v Speaker 1>a recommendation that I have and one often overlooked key <v Speaker 1>to a well functioning landscape is planning for storage and <v Speaker 1>utility areas right from the s for what for story, <v Speaker 1>your shed, your electric blowers and trimmers and everything else, <v Speaker 1>your rakes and your shovels. I just think that that's <v Speaker 1>important so that your outdoor space stays organized, clutter free, <v Speaker 1>and efficient. <v Speaker 2>Hey did you ever get around to organizing that shed? <v Speaker 1>Not yet? <v Speaker 2>I think that was your New Year's resolution for twenty <v Speaker 2>twenty five. But don't worry, it's not over yet. You <v Speaker 2>still got a couple more weeks. <v Speaker 1>I'll be out there in the middle of winter doing it, <v Speaker 1>you know. I remember working in the garden center, we <v Speaker 1>often would hire speaking of feeling like a farmer when <v Speaker 1>I'm working out there, we would often hire individuals from <v Speaker 1>rural areas, and they all had the same type of dynamic, <v Speaker 1>and that is they could fix anything. They could fix anything, <v Speaker 1>And I love that because that's essentially what you do <v Speaker 1>when you work on a learn how to, you know, <v Speaker 1>fix things. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I love going to car shows and <v Speaker 2>I love going to see like the old nineteen twenties cars. <v Speaker 2>And I remember one of the first car shows I <v Speaker 2>was at. I was remarking on how simple the engine was, <v Speaker 2>and the guy who owned that car told me that <v Speaker 2>they specifically made them like tractor engines because all of <v Speaker 2>the farmers could fix tractors on site, and they just figured, well, hey, <v Speaker 2>I already have this knowledge. I can now fix a <v Speaker 2>car engine and get it down faster. <v Speaker 1>I love that, I really do. Here's another idea, and <v Speaker 1>that is my personal appealing. A feeling is not my <v Speaker 1>personal appearance. My feeling, and that is to plant native ours. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>I just see. I know that I preach this all <v Speaker 1>the time, but I just see the unbelievable benefit of <v Speaker 1>you know, Erronias or Baptisias or Amsonia. You know, the <v Speaker 1>list goes on and on of native plants that have <v Speaker 1>been bread and cultivated to be better. And so we <v Speaker 1>work smarter, not harder when we plant native ours. Does <v Speaker 1>that make sense? <v Speaker 2>Yeah? And I think you know that this idea of <v Speaker 2>better you know, one of the really important things that <v Speaker 2>I think a lot of There's two important things that <v Speaker 2>native ours can do. Number one is be disease resistant. <v Speaker 2>So right now I have October Skies New England aster <v Speaker 2>in bloom in my garden. It is glorious, It is beautiful, <v Speaker 2>and it is powdery mildew resistant. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. <v Speaker 2>And if you've ever tried to grow New England asters, <v Speaker 2>they can be powdery mildew magnets by this time of <v Speaker 2>the year. And so it's just really nice to have <v Speaker 2>this plant full of fabulous blue purple flowers covered in <v Speaker 2>all sorts of native bees and not covered in powdery mildew. <v Speaker 2>I'm like my zinias, Yeah, still will grow them, but man, <v Speaker 2>are they looking sad. And similarly, another advantage of native <v Speaker 2>ours can be sized is that if you don't have <v Speaker 2>room for a bague old version of the native shrub, <v Speaker 2>which you know, could be ten feet tall ten feet wide, <v Speaker 2>like in the case of button bush, you know, our <v Speaker 2>beautiful native button bush cephalanthis not everyone has room for that, <v Speaker 2>but they may have room for sugar shock, which is <v Speaker 2>our selection of that, which is about five feet tall <v Speaker 2>and wide. So then it makes it a lot more <v Speaker 2>possible for people to have that plant and get those <v Speaker 2>benefits in their yard. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love this, Adrianna. I I throw something out <v Speaker 1>there like plant native ours. It's just I lob a <v Speaker 1>softball and then I know Stacy's gonna say something brilliant. <v Speaker 1>She's gonna say something brilliant, But you're right, and I <v Speaker 1>just really believe in working the land. <v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean there. And the thing too, is <v Speaker 2>like I totally get it when people want to grow, <v Speaker 2>you know, true natives. But the simple fact is that, <v Speaker 2>you know, as we've talked about on the show, they <v Speaker 2>can be hard to find unless you're going to a <v Speaker 2>specialty nursery. And by all means, if you have one <v Speaker 2>of those special nurseries around you go out there support <v Speaker 2>them in the work that they're doing to preserve native <v Speaker 2>plants and preserve local genotypes. But a lot of us <v Speaker 2>don't have that ben So native ours available at garden <v Speaker 2>centers make a good interim measure or alternative to that. <v Speaker 1>Absolutely you set it all. Here's one that I'm really <v Speaker 1>big on for working smarter, not harder, working the land, <v Speaker 1>and that is creating water basins for your plants. Harvesting <v Speaker 1>rain water. Now, not everybody wants to mess with a <v Speaker 1>rain barrel, and people have mosquito issues and you know, <v Speaker 1>all of that type of thing. So I understand that <v Speaker 1>if you do fantastic harvesting rainwater makes sense and a <v Speaker 1>rain barrel makes sense. However, if you don't, you can <v Speaker 1>use a basin technique at the base of your plants <v Speaker 1>to help hold valuable water and get it into the <v Speaker 1>root zone of the plant. And I'm always doing that <v Speaker 1>with soil or mulch, but I'm creating a basin type <v Speaker 1>area at the base of the plants or in your landscape, <v Speaker 1>taking a look at the slope and maybe altering the <v Speaker 1>slope somewhat so that water doesn't run away from the plants, <v Speaker 1>but rather runs towards them in the heat of summer. <v Speaker 1>You're going to be so happy that you did. And <v Speaker 1>it's so beneficial to the plants. So when I'm out <v Speaker 1>there working the land, I'm always thinking slope grade and <v Speaker 1>I'm thinking basin technique. <v Speaker 2>You know, I used to do that when I worked <v Speaker 2>as a landscaper over on the east side of the state. <v Speaker 2>But I don't think that my very sandy soil will <v Speaker 2>form many basins. It's really hard to sculpt like a <v Speaker 2>used to the clay soil over in the area. Do <v Speaker 2>you just have mandaged your soils? <v Speaker 1>Yeah, or in a clay soil, sometimes we elevate the <v Speaker 1>plants a little bit higher than the grade. But in <v Speaker 1>sandy or well drained soils, many times we'll put them <v Speaker 1>in the ground a little lower than the grade. Then <v Speaker 1>you're able to create that basin. And yes, I've used <v Speaker 1>mulch to do it. Shredded mulch interlocks and helps create <v Speaker 1>a basin, and it just makes watering so much easier <v Speaker 1>and it's so beneficial to the place. <v Speaker 2>Yet no, I agree keeps it from running off to well. <v Speaker 1>Thanks Stacy, this has been fun. Thank you Rick, Thank <v Speaker 1>you Adriana, and thanks most of all to you for <v Speaker 1>watching us on YouTube, listening to the radio version of <v Speaker 1>our show, or downloading our podcast. Have a great week.
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