Is A Chevy Silverado Turbo-4 Full Size Truck Any Good? | Ep. 316

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I have a lot of topics I want to discuss on this episode of TFL talking trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Episode 316.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means there's hundreds of hours of you talking about trucks out there on the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, is that good or bad?
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's... it's...
[SPEAKER_01]: we still keep finding more things to talk about with trucks and in today's episode we've got like you said a few different topics one of our main topics is going to be about GM's 2.7 leader for cylinder specifically in bigger trucks like the Silverado.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah is it any good because they started this with several years back in 2019ish they brought out their small four cylinder turbo in the big truck which is the Silverado and also this year 1500s.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then over the years, they updated the engine a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's called TurboMax, which is a, I think, kind of a cool name.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a fun name.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like it in theory because it could make for a more affordable truck, which is something that everybody wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our selves included.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the TurboMax though it is a forecylinder and I think in general, people are not going to be too excited about the idea of a forecylinder engine in a 1500.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is pretty torquey, 430 pound feet of torque, which is not bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more than many V8s actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I want to talk to you about this because we also just did a night gauntlet with one of those trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, there's a bit of sad news because we just sold one of our trucks from our fleet and we didn't come home with anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a sale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was actually one of our trucks that of all the trucks we've owned over the last six years that I've been here It was one of my favorites Okay, I like the 2021 TRX a little bit more than this truck But we did sell our F-150 tremor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although the TRX was more expensive, of course Then this for so we can talk about that what happened there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also I am still
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, like, almost a month ago, I published a video that I'm thinking about selling my Tundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I still haven't sold it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And since he hasn't bought anything yet, it means maybe we combination of all of us can still try and, you know, for my opinion, I would imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: given what you do for a living, you probably have some opinions already, but maybe we all can collectively sway way or way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always try to be open-minded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you on the fence about a little bit?
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we can discuss that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, we had some topics to discuss, because as I was looking for in the my next pickup truck,
[SPEAKER_02]: I figured out something that bugged me a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Online, specifically online, a lot of the dealerships that I was looking up trucks for sale.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't appear to be knowledgeable about trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also we have a little bit of autonomous driving news.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah completely unrelated to anything that a lot of trucks you're going to be buying right yeah right so so let's start with a turbo small engines and big trucks is it any good yeah so we got to do a good amount of testing with that 2.7 already in the silver auto that we have here at the office as a press-long vehicle we've obviously tested the 2.7 quite a bit in other trucks
[SPEAKER_01]: And you also had a Chevy Colorado Trial Boss as your last truck before the thunder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the same engine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically the turbo max back then in 2023.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't really call it turbo max yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That name came out a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was basically the same spec of an engine, which I actually got a dealership tune for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember how they had like several different power levels?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you could spec on the configurator, a higher output version of that to just ship to you directly that way, but you did it after the fact, so your power output on your Colorado was the same as what that Silverado we've been testing is three and a 10 horsepower 430 pound feet of torque, which is a healthy figure, especially on the torque side of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and torque really kind of it's an ability of that engine to spool up, you know, the more torque you have, the quicker the revs can actually come and the quicker the engine can be in its optimal power band, which is really what towing is about, right, the quicker that engine is able to develop that horsepower, that's what torque is actually helping with, and that's why I think some of these engines are actually very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And theoretically, since it's a small displacement engine, if you're driving in such a way where you kind of stay out of the boost, you could potentially get pretty good fuel economy with it, plus since it's a more compact lighter weight engine, you also have really good payloads of that Silverado that we're testing is about 1,800 pounds of payload, which is a pretty decent number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've talked about a few of the things that this foresellinger can theoretically do pretty well.
[SPEAKER_01]: A few of the reasons that why on paper you might think this is a great engine option, not only because it's economical, but even just the performance and the efficiency of it and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and 310 horsepower is really the rating on the engine and has been that for several years for that maximum horsepower rating.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you and I took it into the mountains with an 8,000 pound trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were actually that video hasn't published quite yet if you're listening to this that video is coming in about a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So of this episode going live.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm in on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, stay tuned for that, check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but you and I, I was a little bit what should I say, cautious, not super optimistic, because we're pulling 8,000 pounds with the small displacement engines, and as you and I already know from experience, going down big mountain grades with a small displacement engine, sometimes can be a little bit problematic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's just not that much engine breaking that you get from an engine of a displacement less than three liters.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the bigger your motor is, the better that engine breaking is going to be, and the less you're going to have to keep working your brakes and building heat in your brakes as you're going downhill on the hike.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the big reasons that we do that test.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the V8's always really excel in that test.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this 2.7, we won't give away everything, but it struggled on the downhill.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't have an easy time of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was similar to the three-liter hurricanes in the Rams.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the three-liter hurricane, you and I have raved about that engine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think often, because in line sixes are super smooth, the power is very linear, very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: for the turbocharged power in the RAM.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that engine is also struggled, you know, breaking down the big loads that going down the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it was no different in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is that the torque figure on the 2.7 is pretty good, but 310 horsepower, not that that's a low number, but definitely pulling a heavy trailer, the truck struggled a little bit to accelerate and the noise that that four cylinder makes is so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does not sound good at all and it went one thing so you were talking about the hurricane straight six in the Rams.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good engine because it's very smooth, it's very powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been criticized fairly for the way that it sounds but in general that a hurricane is very quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, almost too quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost too good.
[SPEAKER_01]: This four cylinder is not that quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not so quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You hear it in the cabin quite a bit when it's working hard and it does not sound good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we'll also have a picture from the Ike yesterday, I think Cole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we're actually trying to figure out V8 versus Turbo 4, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're actually, you could kind of see our chief videographer manager, producer Ian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're watching this in video form, one of the rarely cited videographers, Ian is in this clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ian, if Ian knew we were actually looking at the distant picture of him, he would be very upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would be upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so the idea was to use our F-150 tremor with the V8 as kind of a benchmark because that's more old school naturally aspirated V8 and see with the same trailer on the same day same stretch of road how it compared to the 2.7.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the I gauntlet, if you're not familiar, it's basically I-70 interstate in Colorado Rocky Mountains, and the difficulty of that test is that it's about eight miles stretch of this very steep interstate, and the top elevation is over 11,000 feet above sea level, so that is, and seven percent great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of where the difficulty of this test
[SPEAKER_02]: can actually survive this test.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will do well anywhere, basically, because it's one of the more challenging.
[SPEAKER_02]: The temperature is not very hot on the test, but nonetheless, if a truck can survive this test down and up, then it can tow well anywhere, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because towing in the mountains is challenging when you have steep grades both uphill and downhill that present several issues for a lot of different vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a really good thing that we have in our back pocket to be able to test trucks towing on these kinds of grades because if they're rated to toe a certain amount and they can toe that amount effectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: on this stretch of highway, then they can pretty much do that anywhere, other than like you said, the cooling systems, which that's more of the Davis Dam test for the actual manufacturers, J-20807 SAE, rating, foretelling, so that's largely based on cooling systems.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this test, what that we do that I can't let tells us a lot about how these trucks actually pull trailers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the 2.7 in the GMM, it did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did it, but it wasn't super pleasing and maybe the best performance, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so I think if I was to step back and say,
[SPEAKER_02]: is the four-cylinder, because I think everybody, it's easy to downplay that engine, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easy to say, oh, it's the tiny, it's, you know, maybe a little bit noisy or the noise is not very great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I was to step back from it and say, well, by the way, it never overheated, you know, we didn't have any, it has an 8-speed transmission.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't have all the 10-speed, maybe benefits that some other transmissions may have, as far as gear ratios to help us, maybe accelerate a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: and potentially durability and durability.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I'm hoping their eight speeds are getting better and better, not worse in worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't heard a whole lot of noise about them recently, so maybe they have.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we heard noise about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it like three or four years ago?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was some...
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, our friend Alex had problem with his eights, and it'd be that, I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of our own.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that plus from a lot of customers, we definitely know that there were some issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just drove it also today, without a trailer without anything in the bed, I just commuted it in this truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it was a commuter just to run about, you know, just put some stuff in the bag, maybe carry your friends and family in the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty good vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not working that engine hard, you don't necessarily notice that it's a force cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be as loud in that situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's my big issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we pull up the 2026 Silverado configurator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would like this engine if it really dropped the price significantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if right now we're looking at a 2026 silver out of 1500 RST, it's crewcabs or bed four wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the basic truck that we would generally kind of want to start out with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this is the truck we have on loan, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's a, it's a good spec of truck to start with in several engine options.
[SPEAKER_01]: The turbo max engine starts at 57,495, so basically 57,500.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before incentives, before incentives.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to step up to the most basic 5-3 V8 with a 10-speed instead of the 8-speed, it's 59, so it's a 59-90, so it's about $1,500 more expensive to step into a V8.
[SPEAKER_01]: And based on that alone, I would rather go for the 5-3, but to your point, there are some discounts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it just depends on the timing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So right now, Chevy is putting heavy incentives into this turbo max engine, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so it just depends on your timing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So right now, the truck worth testing on the sticker, it says, I think it's about $6,300, maybe a little bit more than that of discount.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a giant chunk of chunk of change, but I think they also have some incentives on the V8 as well So it just kind of depends on the timing of it, but like you said here It's about $1500 difference, which is not a ton of difference as far as cash But I think if you're counting I mean if you're being frugal, I mean anything helps really
[SPEAKER_01]: for sure to get you into a truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at that point, if you want to be frugal, you're probably, well, almost certainly going to have to shop for a U-struck, a U-struck, like, you know, that's what I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, your current truck is a U-struck, so that's kind of where we're at as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: 61,000 dollars for the truck that we're testing is definitely a bit of sticker shock.
[SPEAKER_01]: The discounts bring it down to about 54, which helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: But 61 at any point on the sticker for a truck with a four-cylinder and cloth seats.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mostly pretty well equipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's four-wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go through the seats though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got heated seats in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that one of the trucks that doesn't have a low range?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then also you have to watch out for the formal drive system, right, because not all formal drive systems are the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: And GM's been doing this for years because they offer several different transfer cases.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the transfer case that's in this truck is formal drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have too high, obviously we will drive, then four high and also all will drive setting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, the all will drive setting using clutches, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that to me is a bummer, not everyone is going to use a low range.
[SPEAKER_01]: The RST is not meant to be an off-road truck, but we live in Colorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes in handy for us a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even here's an example where I used affordable drive low when not afroading.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you and I do the toaster test, which is a summer only test because ambient temperatures are very high about 100 degrees Fahrenheit ambient, and we tow trailers on a very steep and very winding mountain road, which is about 25 miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've used actually low range on that road coming down the mountain, because it allows you more gearing to slow down that trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's one instance where you use four-wheel drive low, even though you're not actually off-roading.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: So four-wheel drive low is useful in a lot of cases.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a useful tool to have in your tool kit of many different things that pickup truck can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an important thing to have in the majority of trucks, especially if you shop
[SPEAKER_02]: I would argue it's a worthwhile feature for the majority of people and I think most would agree Yeah, so I'm not sure why GM is doing this because it's kind of unique Ford does something different for example the truck I used to only have 150 hybrid
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have our aromode, but it had four high and four low, and of course when you buy a raptor or some more fancy F and 50, you have all the modes, you have all the drive modes, you have low modes, you have high modes, all that stuff comes, so it just depends on the price point, but GM I think is, I want to say one of the only ones who does this type of differentiation between their trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I just got to say if it were myself shopping for a truck, if I really needed to save that 1500 bucks, I would get a truck maybe a couple of years used because I don't think the four cylinder would be a worthwhile spot to save money on for myself personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we have a first compliment on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone chat good job Chad B said good job Andre case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much man.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's uncommon to find on the internet I know we really I actually when I see something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always heart it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll put a little heart nice
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Matt, Matt says, I have not been a huge fan of turbo gas engines until I got my hurricane.
[SPEAKER_02]: The straight sex is just so smooth and responsive, it's great in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forcel the turbo's in the full-size truck is just crazy though.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, I agree at first of all in the hurricane.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think Matt is basically confirming what we've been talking about about the hurricane engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good engine, even in the standout put, they're very torquey, super effective engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting though.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about it in terms of displacement, the force cylinder that we're talking about in the Chevy is not actually that far off of the hurricane and displacement at 2.7 versus a 3-liter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, it is a dress of difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's in adjustment, especially in sound and experience to drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: and even acceleration to some extent, that Hurricane 6 flies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not even talking about high output hurricanes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about the standard one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, did we add some other comments?
[SPEAKER_02]: Cole on on the live show or Jonathan is here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says what's up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bryce says he's asking the right questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Has the channel bought a diesel power wagon yet?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's what I want to know, Andre.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bryce, we have not purchased diesel power wagon yet, primarily because it's not available yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will be gosh, Ram said summer of this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm taking that to me in like June, July, August, availability.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the order books will open in a couple of months and then we'll potentially be able to order.
[SPEAKER_02]: But our big boss, who's not in this podcast right now,
[SPEAKER_02]: He I don't know if he's made the final call on this topic yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am I'm hoping I am Are you voting for it now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pulling out all the stops trying to talk everyone in the office into a diesel power wagon for some reason Well, I'm not the only one that's excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're excited about it as well but
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the guys are saying, well, you know, what's the point of getting a diesel power wagon over a diesel rebel?
[SPEAKER_01]: And every time I just say, from locker in the sway bar disk, an act.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two lockers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's my issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cole, could you pull up a picture of the
[SPEAKER_01]: And for the people who are listening, we'll explain what the picture is showing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the picture is showing a truck that looks beautiful, but does not look unique.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's my issue for the business.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's put our business caps on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a business?
[SPEAKER_02]: I slightly decline.
[SPEAKER_02]: we don't have any caps.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you put the business mindset on and if you show up, uh, let's say you and I are standing next to this beautiful Ram truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're saying power wagon don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I look at it with a casual observer eye, I can see a rebel HD.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's no winch sticking out the front.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no big tires sticking out the sides.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks just normal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Counterpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a Duramax Treaboss that is silver with black wheels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't look dramatically different from the Silverado HDs that had already existed at the time when the door was silver.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't pop a ton.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we still find that truck very useful and we do a lot of things with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's a lot of that we have now, appeared in countless videos we've done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, at all times we kind of need to have an HD truck around because we not only pull trailers for video purposes, but we have to tell things around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need an HD truck around at all times no matter what.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this, to me, is for our purposes of making videos, one of the more interesting, if not the most interesting one we can get, because it can pull trailers, obviously, it's a comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we could equip it with a fifth wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could equip it with one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It can do some amount of off-roading, because it's power lagging.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it has a disconnectible front sway bar and a front locking differential.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all kind of videos that we can film with it there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, as far as,
[SPEAKER_01]: powertrain you know it's this is a powertrain we want to spend even more time testing we've gotten a pull trailers with it and do this and that but with that new eight speed in the updates made to the commons itself it is relatively new powertrain compared to the powertrokes in the Durham axes that are on sale right now so there's a there's still a lot we could do with this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it also starts at $88,000, 88, which is fairly steep amount of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we just sold the tremor once we sell the Duramax, that that Cummins is paid for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I think okay, so I see you're doing a pretty decent job of stating your case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am genuinely pushing hard for us to get this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it will come to actual physical confrontations soon when we try to avoid that, but you may leave me no choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be backed into a corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so to ask you a question, we have not purchased one yet, but as you could see, we're still discussing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Jonathan is also saying a couple more things, he enjoyed watching video you and I did with manual transmission trucks, which is published.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're kind of passionate about that topic because there's only one truck currently available brand new with a manual transmission and what is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the Tacoma and yeah, and it was funny I was going through the footage on that video because I did some of the editing on it and I realized Wow, it looks so sad through this video.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just I think that's realizing how long it's been since so many of these trucks had a manual option.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you were genuinely depressed during that video, but yeah, you can still get some Tacoma's with a manual transmission.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was around 2008.
[SPEAKER_01]: The financial crisis killed a lot of manual transmission.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it seems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the trucks ended around then, but there were a few that held out for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the gladiator until pretty recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: So every colorado until 2019.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I have a duty?
[SPEAKER_01]: Until 2018.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there were some that were more recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Manials are gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all we vote with our wallets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not a lot of people buy manual trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we try to vote with our wallets, but then manufacturers and dealers also think that we all love in a white and gray trucks and so we try to vote against it with our wallets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've been talking about that a little bit recently too.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many trucks, they don't, there's not enough trucks on dealer lots with color.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many silver trucks, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I say.
[SPEAKER_02]: In order to get a colorful truck, like red blue green or something like that, you have to order it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to order it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then wait months, if not longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason why I'm looking at my phone is not because I don't like you, but it's because we had an email recently just come in an hour ago, a couple of hours ago from C.J.
[SPEAKER_02]: C.J.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he enjoyed our manual transmission video so much, he submitted images of his Ford Aerostar minivan with a manual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, now CJ.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a beast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I guess I should upload it to cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you can't see this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, well, I can, but I'm sitting next to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should just point it at the camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyways, how did we get here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're answering jokes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a Jonathan's question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Jonathan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll try to send it to Cole one second here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he also mentioned that in the video that we did with manual trucks, we talked a little bit about my truck and drove it.
[SPEAKER_01]: around our local roads nearby here and Jonathan mentioned that he liked the sound of my truck, which I appreciate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually liked the sound of your truck, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the reasons I like it so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a good sound like truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we should go here right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there was a story recently about emissions control systems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That the Department of Justice made a statement on X.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That there will not pursue criminal charges against companies who are temporary, not temporary.
[SPEAKER_02]: But modifying emissions control software on some of the vehicles, including pickup trucks and semi trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for some reason, a lot of people directly go to rolling coal, like modifying your software equates to blowing lots of mounts of black smoke out of your tailpipe of your diesel truck, but in my mind, that's not the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: When I want to, when I'm looking to increase performance on my truck or maybe make it a little bit more simple, maybe make it a little bit more maintainable, I think about performance or usability, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying I really, I must cover everything in black smoke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, majority of people I've talked to are most interested in durability, longevity, that kind of thing, performance like you said, but that's all anecdotal, you know, personal experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the reason why I went there is because when you remove like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: your truck never had emissions systems like DPS and DFs, but that makes the sound a little bit more raw and a little bit better in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I was going with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my truck's not straight-biped.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it, yeah, could be louder.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is actually a company that makes a pretty cool exhaust that has a little valve in it and on the fly, you can adjust that valve almost like a volume knob on your truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can either close up that valve so that the exhaust is routed all the way through the muffler and it quietes it down a lot or you can open it up so that it basically bypasses a muffler completely
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a cutout because it is still flowing through the muffler to the tip, but it's cool on the fly and anywhere in between.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this on point?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would it work almost similar to a exhaust break?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it not the same function?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not creating additional pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe a little bit of extra back pressure when it's routing through the muffler just because
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not going to be quite as direct, but that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm starting up the truck in my neighborhood, I could quiet it down and then when I'm out on the road by myself, it's not as many people around and I'm not bothering people, then I could enjoy it for myself basically straight pipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we switch?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if we were able to show the beautiful picture of the Fort Aero Star event that we have here with a manual transmission, but especially, well, the white truck, the way it started, you know, it's kind of plain, but I like that red whole, two-tone and the white walls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a cool Aero Star.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is attractive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about five speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we also got to talk about selling our F-150 tremor a little bit sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is said news because I personally really liked this truck a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some full-size trucks don't necessarily speak to me a lot of them feel maybe not fleet spec but just kind of run in the middle regular traffic nothing to right home about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that tremor had just the right amount of flair to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: off-road features, cool orange accents, slightly knobby or tire, I really like the shade of gray that it was in kind of a whitish gray because it was really light.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it could go off road, but it wasn't so compromise as an off-road truck that you couldn't still pull trailers with it, have decent amount of payload.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it just felt like really the right blend of everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it had the 5-liter V8.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the elephant oops, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just broke my pen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, when the F-150 tremor first came out, I believe it was a 2023 model year if memory serves me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was only EcoBoost, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it came out with a 35.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a little bit kind of like a Raptor light, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it didn't have the white body, it didn't have the big suspension, it didn't have the larger 35-inch tall tires, it had 33s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still pretty capable suspension.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would wager.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this suspension is pretty tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it doesn't have a name brand like Bill Stein or Fox or Anything you know, high end like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It still has a fairly durable suspension in my experience because we beat on it for many, many months And it's pretty durable and it works well
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was kind of upset because it didn't have a V8 option originally because at that point, if you remember in 2023, you could get a, that was the first year of the Raptor R, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's kind of untouchable, right, for most people.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's $140,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, why not add a V8 to the tremor?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they finally did like a couple years back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They offered the V8 and I was really happy because I didn't get to choose this truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember Roman surprised me with it, which was a great surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: A pleasant surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very pleasant surprise when he's like, Andrew, we picked up a new long-term truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I'm not going to tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we went and actually picked it up and this was a very pleasant surprise that we had it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the time, this was about nine months ago in 2025, early 2025.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a 2025 model and we paid about 62,000 for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was an employee discount.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ford was running at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was an employee pricing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we just sold it basically back to the dealer at about 57 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in nine months, we lost about five grand of value, which is actually not a humongous amount.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not too bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could've been much worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're beyond COVID years where every truck never lost value.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're definitely not in the same economic environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we've got a lot of use out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason that we eventually have now passed it on is because there's only so many things that we can do with one particular vehicle before people start to get a little board of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as much fun as it would be to hold onto things for really, really long time and see how they hold up after 50,000 miles or more.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just not enough videos we can do with one vehicle to justify holding onto it that long, because people start to lose interest.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that tremor was really good all around truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of ticked all the boxes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was useful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was rugged.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounded good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it also was, I mean, I know nine months, like you were saying, is not a tremendously long amount of time, but it was never in the shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I know so.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of forest stories that we hear about certain new engines, you know, having issues and many different manufacturers, transmissions, having issues and several different manufacturers, and you would think, oh my god, horrific stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But after what 7,000 miles of hard work, I mean, we toasted it, we iced it, we afroaded it, we tow trailers across, well, from here to Utah and back, just, you know, crossing the Rocky Mountains, there's many, many different times, and it was never, you know, no leaks, no, like a new truck should be, yeah, right, totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: So no problems with this truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman did want us to mention though that when he was bringing the truck over to the dealership to sell it, he was using the lane-sentering system, and apparently it prompted him 25 times to put his hands on the steering wheel, even though his hands were on the wheel, but I guess it just wasn't feeling the amount of weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a total sensor in the steering wheel, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Granted, if you really wanted, you could get one of these trucks with blue crews, which our truck is equipped with, except we're not paying the subscription for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the blue crew system works well, you don't have to touch it steering wheel at all, you can just watch your eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it has an attendance, even though I know if they're improving that system, for example, we also have a long-term loan from Ford on the Ford Explorer tremor, tremor and other tremor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we still have a tremor.
[SPEAKER_02]: yeah just a different for now just for a couple weeks several weeks um like i think the tremor explorer has 1.5 version of the blue cruise our f150 maybe is a little bit lower so
[SPEAKER_02]: Even in Blue Crews, it will remind you to look forward, even though you may have a couple of seconds where you maybe want to gaze at a field nearby or maybe you're looking at a turn coming up, you know, on the left or the right it will beep and remind you to look forward and it's a bit annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could be a little sensitive to how that works.
[SPEAKER_01]: GM's super cruise system is is all around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say a better system, especially because you can actually pull a trailer with super cruise, which again, that that's not news that's been the case for years, but it's still impressive today.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's another autonomous system that you and I have recently been sampling, which I'm actually glad about because as automotive journalists and reviewers, I think we need to do the diligence and actually experience all vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we just recently leased, what is it like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost a month ago, at least a Tesla Model Y all will drive, so dual motor.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it has the latest full self-driving supervised system and we're doing a series called Hands Free 2000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm surprised you're so bold is to bring that up on this podcast because I don't think we'll find a lot of uh, uh, Tesla Model Y enthusiast over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's not any part of our jobs here is that we wear a lot of different hats.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as much fun as I would have just driving a lot of old manual transmission diesel trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I could bring it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me bring this back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's hear it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cole is also our producer for hands free 2000.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Cole is also a producer for this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is one of our audience members.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, that's not where I'm going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can bring it back to truck world using cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so which we're also not going to find a lot of fans out on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think the whole you're trying to fill in is getting deeper.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let me dig a little bit one more time and we own cyber truck for at least half a year and now you've struck bedrock.
[SPEAKER_02]: BOOM!
[SPEAKER_02]: Rock bottom?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've hit rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had a full self-driving supervised system on it and it worked decently until it put us into several compromised situations where either
[SPEAKER_02]: we had to take over immediately to avoid fender bender or it crossed double yellows on the mountain road for me once or it did something else weird so that system felt okay except was super super nervous.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not the case with the latest Tesla Model Y because they've continued to update it technology is definitely gotten better I would almost say this is going to be a bit of a hot take But I would almost say it's gotten borderline too good because it works
[SPEAKER_01]: It works about 99% of the time genuinely, it works, it can pull out of my driveway, go all the way here to the office and back into a parking space without me touching the steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it has done a couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: And your driveway at home is not mapped.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's narrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to pull through a fence and everything, but as good as it works, it still makes mistakes, but it's good probably about 99% of the time, which means that 1% of the time that it does something you're not expecting, you may be caught off guard and a little slow to react.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost, with laws you into, like, in the action, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could.
[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely could.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have continued to condition myself to not trust it.
[SPEAKER_01]: because I think that's necessary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because supervised means you're still responsible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it does any fender bender or anything happens to it, your license is on the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: For that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I am excited for, well, you took it over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were willing to, you know, fall on that sword.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am planning to turn it in on Friday afternoon and get back in my cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am excited to be driving again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like driving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would I do this job if I didn't?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, I can't complain.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is really interesting to see how far this technology has come and it's a cool experiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: and something worth experiencing for a person in our field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be familiar with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just surprised how capable this new 14.2 full-suff driving version is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still supervised.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still supervised.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was just impressed because I was kind of like you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what a fit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's something very dangerous that one time, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But over the several days that I experienced that system, and I think I drove it for about 300 miles, maybe 300 miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: It never, I didn't feel like it put me into a dangerous situation that I didn't like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that system was very impressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how about we close?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, cyber truck news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, so, uh, Tesla, this is a retention on the live stuff, Cole.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cole, are we losing people?
[SPEAKER_01]: How are we losing people?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're about the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, can you go back to the Patriarch?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say thank you to the 4x4 enthusiast, um, and also Dave Murphy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So 4x4 enthusiast has always enjoyed listening to the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep up the good work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Dave says what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave says he's shopping around for a ram comments, which is exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not shopping for a cyber truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally the furthest thing from.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, is he saying brand new?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think pre-owned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is a good idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: New stuff is precious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because you could save up, but, you know, big amount of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big term.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Except, well, by the way, we're doing a series called Wi-Fi with used trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I recently did a story in a Chevy Silverado 1500.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should do commences.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did the power wagon, none commons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, you should do another brand then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like GMT-800s or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, basically, that series is about looking at older vehicles, not super old, but like vehicles between five and like 12 years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, I also do a segment I call like forensics, where I try to look at the truck and see like see if I can get into the mindset of the previous owner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like did they drive a lot of dirt roads?
[SPEAKER_01]: They won't go a lot of cigarette.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that I wanted that one of the trucks you filmed with that might have been
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember which one was that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The power again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe a little.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it had the cleaner smell.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the smell that covers up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe mask in something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe masking something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so I do offer a forensic segment on that too, which, well, obviously also looking at Carfax reports and history reports and service records also helps very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, should we talk about the cyber van?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I guess we have to do it for a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quickly, is human rights.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Tesla has Q4, 2025 financial results.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because here at TFL, we always listen to financial results statements from manufacturers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, because news comes out sometimes in those statements.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Musk said that the cyber truck, as it is now,
[SPEAKER_02]: may not be what it is now, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the future, he hinted at during this meeting, he said that the cyber shock may evolve further towards autonomy, and you could fill in the blanks, you know, he didn't specify what that means, and also turned into a package delivery vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which obviously it would have to be modified not necessarily the platform, but the body on top would have to be modified pretty heavily to make for an effective delivery vehicle because bigger van body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the bed on the side of trucks not huge and it's got a lot of interior.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that five seats?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that you don't need for a delivery vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they would have to change that quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is doable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're big on autonomy.
[SPEAKER_02]: let's hope so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Cybertruck, most people I talk to do not appreciate a Cybertruck look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, how about we talk about kind of like my difficulty of picking the next track, how about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, yeah, so are you are you going to talk about some of the things that you're weighing some of the trucks you're looking at so obviously for your last few trucks will currently have a Toyota And I'm sorry
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had a Chevy before, before before that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a Hummer H2 before that for another GM.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a, well, I started really my first venture into a CV and truck was really a 2001 Pathfinder, which was not truck-y.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you all said you're dirt max.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and after the Pathfinder, I jumped into a 2002 Duramax Chevy, so that was the real truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was kind of my first venture into the pickup truck world and also towing world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you should get another HD.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, speak more.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're actually your shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are shopping around for potentially a gladiator, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on my list, a gladiator's on my list.
[SPEAKER_02]: What else?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really,
[SPEAKER_02]: I found the new hurricane RAM 1500 attractive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some specific things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Specifically, like you're saying, you could fall into a really steep discount on some of those trucks, especially brand new.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to spend a ton of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I did a video recently several weeks back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Saying announcing that I'm kind of looking to sell my tundra and move on to a different vehicle partially because I want to experience more vehicles, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, as well Just personally speaking from my perspective, but I but my wife kind of preferred bid me from spending a lot more money So if my truck is worth anywhere near 40 grand I would think it is I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you buy for?
[SPEAKER_02]: 43.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if my truck, I think it's keeping its value pretty well, because V8, it's a V8 Tundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the last year, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it's not the last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 2019.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and 2021 was kind of, well, basically the last year of the V8's.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also voodoo blue that I'm told is a popular color.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a very desirable color.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she kind of forbid me from spending much more money than the truck is worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I sense that my budget is about 40.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that limits me from buying a lot of brand new trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, call it a smooth 45, maybe 48.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'll tell my wife, maybe we should tell her now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I can, I can probably talk her into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no, you know when you shop for like an apartment or a house to buy or a piece of land or a vehicle and you have a budget in mind, it's always 10% over that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should always go over budget.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it's happened to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like honey, you know, our apartment is going to cost $200,000, you know, to finance, it's going to be $2.30, you know, the place you like, well these days it's going to be $750.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, the place you like is never the price you initially thought it was going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, gladiator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gladiator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right after 100 hurricane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which would be cool because those are two marquees that you haven't had trucks from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thus far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that would be neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also looking at Ford.
[SPEAKER_02]: What specifically?
[SPEAKER_02]: I really miss my hybrid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the F-150 hybrid power boost that I used to own in 2021.
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep coming back to it, like we had that unexpected unexplained outrage at my house, the summer where the power company just never explained.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tried calling and I tried figuring out why my house was out of power for almost 48 hours and nobody was able to pinpoint the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no storm, there was no apparent natural disaster, there was no disaster.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I really wish I had some generator power in my truck to help my house and then just, you know how we were talking about 4-LOW.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't use it every day, but you really want to know it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I feel about Pro Power and Board and the Ford.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not going to use it every day, but you know, when I go to David's or whatever, I mean, your house, you know, if you said, you know, Andrea needs some help, it would be nice to
[SPEAKER_02]: bring a truck that you could, you know, power some tools with, you know, and really, really use it to the full extent possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a really cool feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that I hope over time more manufacturers get on board with, because that power export has the potential to be so useful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so RAM has a 2000 watt system, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ford offers that, and also up to 7.2, 7200 watt system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of those systems, you can actually weld from that like we tried and we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've done.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and also this morning, I was telling Cole, our producer, that I had a wild idea that I looked up used F-50 lightenings, because I just wanted to get a perception, you know, because they're being discontinued, right, for this discontinuing F-50 lightening.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they've been on the market for almost four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I thought, heck, there may be some cheap lightenings out there that I might be able to jump into here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which also has Pro Power on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I found is, in my next topic is, in by the way, you could talk me into whatever or out of whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking online using one of our friends, AutoTempest.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I like about Auto Tempest, yes, they're a partner of ours, but what I really like about their site is that I could select very specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, I was looking for hybrids, I put Power Boost as the Keyword and generated all the search.
[SPEAKER_02]: It also generates links to Facebook Marketplace using all that search criteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get tons of data.
[SPEAKER_01]: They pull from a lot of listings so you can really get a good idea of the averages for prices you should be paying for a
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, I wanted to have a colorful truck, so I listed red, is one of my colors, and I saw all the F-150 hybrids and all of the lightenings in red.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the cheapest lightning I found was about 27,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is what I stumbled into this morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I had many listings, very specific and they were all accurate, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't get, you know, sometimes you search and like a random vehicle pops in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something that's not what you're looking for.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you know, like a two-door shortcut, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of dealers were not specific about how much payload this truck has, if it has, you know, what level of power on board, it has because it varies, you know, 2k to a versus 7.2k and also most trucks, because I looked at pictures, didn't have a brake controller.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the light things I looked at specifically did not have brake controllers, but dealers never, it was not in the listing, you know, like, does it have a tow package?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it not have a tow package?
[SPEAKER_02]: What kind of a battery does it have?
[SPEAKER_01]: Small or large?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then it was frustrating for me when I was looking around for listings of manual transmission trucks when we were doing that video that we talked about earlier in the podcast,
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw so many listings where truck was described as being manual, but it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I click on it, scroll through the photos.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's automatic.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was maybe three quarters of the listings that popped up when I specified manual.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of times those listings, even from the other ships that are doing this professionally, it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: just some guy on his laptop.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not a Craigslist listing.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so dealers that are making these listings professionally a lot of times, yeah, they're not given the best information there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this may be a hot take is that a lot of most dealers are bad at selling trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or they basically could be, it would be alarming because trucks are massive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would think you would want to be good at selling drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not knowledgeable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, knowledgeable is, you know, that's what I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder it's just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if it's on on purpose, so you call them, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, because there's not enough information.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now you pick up a phone and then you start either chatting with them online or actually calling them on the phone saying, can you tell me about this truck and now they have you, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they can say, oh, come on, bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you should drive it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, yeah, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's red, you know, it's resell red.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's going to be awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I was just upset that there was not enough information in some of these listings to figure out exactly what truck I wanted to buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, all of those things that you mentioned payload, whether has a trailer brake controller, what is this, you know, on the four wheel drive system, everything is great information have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it would be nice if it was just standardized that that would be an listing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, because as you know, I've made mistakes in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, I order the truck without cruise control.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that was right as the order books opened and you kind of had to order it blindly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't say that was necessarily your fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not super fault, but it's still very embarrassing, so that's why I bring it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did become a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much of a thing, that was so widely.
[SPEAKER_01]: covered in our videos and was seen by enough people that it may have contributed somewhat to them making the cruise control standard in those trucks after a few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know what else?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to think that that affected many facture specifications.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also helped RAM to get more payload.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of their common easels were re-certified from more payload.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think TFL studios were part of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least that's what they mentioned to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was an actual confirmed case because because a lot of in my mind, I like to think that I'm very influential, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I may not be.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are real situations where manufacturers have told us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, it's not just us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm trying to talk myself up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's called no no I'm pointing at the camera it's also the audience it's you guys people who listen and watch because when you comment on something and say this doesn't make sense or please change this into this I think they actually read a lot of those comments
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's not that we're so incredibly special.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's you, the others weren't sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're seeing the top comments on videos that you guys are putting in there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, every time we film a new truck and the top 10 comments or this truck is too expensive, the manufacturer see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you are starting to see them realize that in a lot of the statements that they're making publicly about wanting to have more affordable models.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: things that it it really does over time have an impact exactly which is happy very good Colt can you do me one more favor as we wrap up this conversation and by the way we didn't come up with solution for me but that I guess that doesn't matter yet but can you go to F1 for a configurator I would like to build an F150 tremor
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, remember, one of our main complaints when we purchased our tremor, is that it was the base tremor, and in order to get a front torsion lock in differential, and auto-matic, full drive mode, you had to pay 10 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you go to 2026, right there, yes, see, then you go build.
[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't just get the limited slip in 4-auto.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you would have to get a other luxury leather seats and yes, so you would have to Spent about 10 grand to get that high package that included like you said leather seats Sun roofs ventilated seats probably yeah massaging seats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I don't want massaging seats I just want to live in its lip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so if you build a tremor can you scroll down maybe a little bit coal has to be here somewhere
[SPEAKER_02]: There it is, start your build, and it doesn't matter what color it is, if you scroll down a little bit, I believe Ford listened, and if you scroll down a tiny bit more, look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is it 402B?
[SPEAKER_02]: 402B is a new package.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that costs $3,995.
[SPEAKER_02]: Front axle with Dorson differential, heated steering wheel, high log transfer case, power adjustable pedals.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it still does give you great sensing wipers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives you some other stuff that you may not necessarily want.
[SPEAKER_01]: But four, $4,000 from the factory to have four auto.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the high log transfer case.
[SPEAKER_01]: That front limit is slip is nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, it's maybe a little on the price aside if you just want those two features, but a heated steering wheel who wouldn't want that, uh, yeah, memories, but I think that's for maybe listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it does have the leather seats, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: This one camera is right in front of our monitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, do crazy things with my neck to see what we're looking at.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're doing a great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but, but Cole, if you go up to the other package, so the other one is for what to A, and it has two speed automatic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can row heated seats and be an audio.
[SPEAKER_02]: bed utility package to a whole package mobile office package.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is pretty useful.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do you see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's like a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: In order to get an automatic transfer case, I have to spent almost 11 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they partially listened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so 402B didn't have the four automobiles?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it says high-lock transfer case.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that torsion is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, that's just going to feature, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Faurado is definitely useful for us here in Colorado because we'll get snow and then we'll have several warm days where sunny spots of the road will melt off and shady spots will still have snow and so you may be back and forth a bunch between wanting for real driving not and so that auto setting is kind of great because you could just set it there and leave it and not have to deal with it crabbing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well at least I think Ford met all of us halfway, they gave us a more affordable package option that actually includes a torsion differential and some of the other items that maybe, you know, somebody's interested in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's a positive moving the right direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good do so yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's kind of most of the topics we had online for today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe we'll leave it to the comments to help funnel you into one truck or another and see what the Okay, so I think I was super psyched about the gladiator because I like dreaming about you know That warm spring or summer day morning where I take off my doors.
[SPEAKER_02]: I take off the roof on the gladiator And I'm just cruising in just with wind in my hair
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I like dreaming about that, but then I also realized that my wife and my family, my son is also very tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they want space on the interior, you know, going to the lake, bringing a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the roof off, the headrooms unlimited.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right, but legroom is slightly tired.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's almost like the mid-sized truck is falling off.
[SPEAKER_02]: the list.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then I'm left with a RAM 1500, I'm left going back to a hybrid which I explain that right already.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a heavy duty truck is really not on my list because I feel like personally speaking I'm not going to use it enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: One for that, you know, sixty seventy thousand dollar price that we agreed on.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, we don't talk about five.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it being higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only so much heavy duty truck you could buy for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: New at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it won't be new, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, there's many options on the use market.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you could probably talk around a seventy five eighty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What about a three-liter Dermax?
[SPEAKER_01]: Be interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: We like that engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard maybe some mixed things for moaners about it, but have you seen any massive recalls from... No, actually, the three-liter seemed to be pretty solid, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and pretty solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: We like that engine a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let me know in the comments below, cool, some of the thoughts you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my budget used to be 40, but now apparently it's 45.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not, don't listen to him, it's not 75.
[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, thanks a lot for joining us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will see you next time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might do an outdoor podcast next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've had a couple of trucks to look at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so stay tuned for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for joining us and we'll see you next time.