Giant Bombcast Giant Bomb Game of the Year 2014: Day Three (Premium)

Hello, and welcome to Day three of Giant Bombs twenty fourteen, a Game
of the Year Awards ravaganza. How's everybody doing pretty good? Three? I'm
doing three. You're doing three? Yeah? Out of three good. I'm
basically awake. You're right, three did win our previous category. Okay,
that's impressive. Recall that's yes, I remember what happened yesterday. I'm for
les. Yeah, I'm impressed. The whole gangs here. Still. We
haven't lost anybody yet yet. Fucked it, Surge King, he might be,
he might not bomb for this world. I brought in actual money that
I can use in the vending machine so I can drink a proper diet soda.
I refilled the fridge, Surges, and I cranked up the cold.
Don't believe what they say about you. You're kicking twenty three degrees dranking down
the cold. I had twenty three. My wife a lot. She's like,
I need to crank up the AC. Yeah I can, like,
okay, and the four air conditioning. Crank up the cold, crank down
the heat, Crank up the cold, crank up the cold. Sounds like
a beer slogan, don't break up the cold, Yeah, back, crank
up. I don't know, it's it's what turn a phrase. Twenty three
degrees might be a little cold for the surge. I turned the thing all
the way up to five, had five settings, and this is at least
ten ingredients in there that will not freeze. Okay, this has been an
there for a long time and it's just perfectly cold. It's not slushy or
anything. The same color. It's a good points I appreciate. I think
it is susy. Surge were probably better and probably pretty good. That does
sound good. That's fair kind of surge mixed with vodka. It's it's okay.
You try to yeah, yeah, just okay, Yeah, it's just
okay. We'll need that with kickstarts. Mix vodka in there. It's pretty
good. You know what's not good? Mixed gatorade and whiskey. Okay,
Oh I did that matter? I don't feel like you have to test that.
I tried it with several different gatorade flavors and they were all gross.
Guies, This isn't the bomb cast. Oh sorry, it's fair. It's
a good point. I wouldn't want to mix whiskey with much of anything.
Just drink the whiskey, drink the gatorade. Okay, yeah, okay,
I'm fine with that. I don't think the whiskey split split with a right.
Okay, is it Glacier that's mysly flavor. I like that's my favorite
rest that is my favorite kind of speaks to me. All Right. We've
got four more categories to plow through today. Uh and as always, there
will be spoilers potentially took up oxen. Okay, I've got my yoke right
here. That was my my whip sound uh yeah. So yeah, if
if you you know there any games that you don't want to hear about the
beginning, middle, or end of them, turn this off and you play.
I should just leave. Sorry, Drew, last night you played everything
I tried. I tried to play Hullion Hearts last night, but I could
only start it at midnight because I was occupied. It's not a short game
either, no, so I played it until about two am when I was
falling sleep in my couch, and then I checked the chapter select see how
far I was. It was like halfway through, so that's pretty good.
That's I didn't start at the beginning I had been Yeah, I started in
my sage well, you made a value of effort off turn off. But
now here we are, and we've got I'm selling happy. We've got to
talk about video games. Let's do it. So let's get going with first
category, Best new Character. Yeah, I've never heard of any of these.
There we go, Amanda from D four shit bought three Fall chapters.
That's not real. Yes, I hope it's real. Rat Bag from Shadow
of Mortor, rat King from Dark Souls two, William Carver from The Walking
deads At Season two, Kevin Spacey All Duty Advanced war Fair, Jeremy Irons.
Yes, Jeremy Irons, Jonathan Irons, You're right, You're right,
Jeremy way cooler. They had gotten Jeremy Irons. It was Jevin Spacey playing
Jeremy Irons in Die Heart of the Vengeance. Okay, sure, shovel Knight
from Shovel Knight, Pagan Men, Farker I four, Vibrie vip Ribbon,
I don't know about them, Vivian Dragon Age Inquisition, Iron Bull Dragon Age
Inquisition, Jamy Hendricks Wolfstein, Yeah, okay, Mono Kuma, Duncan,
Ropa and Merrick from A Broken Age Part one. So we can delete Vibry
instantly. I just since Jeff was so insistent that vip Ribbon was a new
game in two new but I think Vibry appeared in other games that made it
to the US. Okay, I want to say, is there a fibrary
reference in a background of PlayStation All Stars? I don't know. I would
probably PlayStation All Stars to know. That seems like the sort of thing that
would be in there. Any anyway, that's true, whatever doesn't matter either
way, that's no, Okay, that's fine. Fibry is the best character
of all years, but perhaps perhaps not for this category. Okay, So
I guess, yeah, anybody else? I think so, I have not
heard anything of Shipbot. Well, Mannie, let's talk about shipbot for a
minute. I'm let me see if a shipbot can talk about himself. You
start and I'll look for So, the premise of ship is that you are
at least in the stuff that I've seen. What dream Fall chapters? Is
that a new game, New dream Fall? Yeah, that came out this
year, still making those an episodic Yeah, well they took a long yeah
break. So Shitbot is a robot that you meet that is a robot that
was sort of jumped and repurposed, and you have to go on first by
this really abrasive U woman who is just very angry and cursey all the time.
So that's why she calls it in Shipbot, this real got a problem.
Shipbot's kind of an idiot. Shipbot doesn't really know what he's doing U.
Shipbot isn't really sure where he came from or what his purpose is.
There's a lot of really good dialogue with Shipbot, including a point where he
discovers that he is really good at welding and he has decided that that is
the thing that he wants to do for the rest of his life. Then
you have to tell him, no, we need you to go do something,
and there's like, okay, I will give up the thing that I
love the most to go do this very menial task that you have told me
to do. He's a metaphor. Did he name himself? Shipbot? Is
very horrible? Woman named him shipbot? Ship bought is incredibly charming. Has
he accepted the name Shipbot? Like? Is he okay? I don't think
he has a choice. I think he's okay. He's very neurotic. Is
he is? He? Is he with it enough to even appreciate what the
name shipbot implies. Yeah, he's smart, dude, Okay, shipbot is
cool. Smart is maybe not the word I would use. Oh, he's
a smart guy, basically perceptive. Maybe he's kind of depressed, I think.
Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna try and find I don't know if I
can find any real clean shipbot audio, and I'm gonna look for some ship
works pretty blue, right, I look for some shipbot. Shipbot was pretty
much the crux of the quick look that we did. He hit the scenes
with him. Uh, we're part of that, and that's most most This
is somebody talking can't fly. It's easy engage, rare propulsion and horse yeah,
engage. I'm not he's this guy. This man's gonna ruin shipot for
for everyone. I don't know. It's this is this is the way of
Donkey Carr. Yeah no, I've seen this happen before. I'm not dkc
in this baby so bad anymore, doesn't so anyway, shipbots. I found
ship botting the soundtracks on Country Tropical Freezy his best new character. But which
track? I mean? His name is shipbot. It's already a pretty good
name. Oh so yeah, so like Alex said, you go through these
missions with shipbot and he basically she's trying to report repurpose shipbot. So you
gotta be like, hey, shipot, can you talk to other uh,
talk to other robots to see if we can uh, you know, do
scrubbing walls. He's like, I'm not very good with other people, so
no, I think he does a couple of other menial tasks. Can you
be a guidebot? And then he sees a bought welding and falls in love
with welding. Uh, and then it has to stop welding and just has
this like pretty long like sure, I'll do the thing. I'll give up
my one thing that I loved doing to do you whatever serving that? What
is he serving? I don't even remember. It's it's it's it's it's all
very it's it's themes memorable? Is he is? He kind of like the
asshole robot from cochor like Marvin from Pitchhiker's Guy to the Galaxy. M that's
a better that's a better, better analogy. Good pull. Yeah, and
who doesn't like too much like Marvin in a way that is just like they're
stealing that. He's not suicidal. Yeah, it's not quite to that level.
Is it a big parts of the game or it is all part parts?
Okay, I just I wouldn't want to delete him right away, but
oh I hope he's staying on till the end. Okay, wait right now,
let's delete rat Bad. I don't think rat bad. Yeah. I
liked rat I did. I didn't really go anywhere. Yeah. I enjoyed
some of his delivery, but yeah, he just vanishes from the store.
Yeah. I thought he's gonna be a big part, like at the end.
Oh, he turns on here after you helped him get the power or
whatever, and then just never happens, right, I think he just got
punted off screening. H I never sign, I never saw an I never
saw him dying or anything. Yeah, that sucked, all right. I
liked him, his character when he's around, but yeah, I don't want
to kill him from the beginning. Yeah, it's just like I don't need
this yeah shit orc. Yeah, especially by like the middle of that game,
I was like, I don't need your help. Yeah. He was
basically a walking tutorial, you know, he's just introducing you to the Nemesis
stuff. Sorry ship. Yeah, rat out, rat Oot yep, yes,
shit, rap out shit. I never got to the rat King.
Is that a character or is that just a boss? Is that right after
there's all the rats in the one room dud who's sitting on the rock.
Okay, oh yeah you talked to him, right, Yeah, you talked
to him, and he is the rat King? Oh you know what?
I remember when you tweeted a photo of that guy. Yeah, he's pretty
good and said something about like he've been up too long or something. Remember
Las, a giant rat who's basically he's a what do they call them,
the guilds or oh, covenant? He's a covenant. So he's a guy
you talked to you, and he since you beat all the rats, you
become like an honorary rat. Remember, But it's that area that is the
PvP kind of zone that people have to get through, all the traps down
in the crypts, get down the crypt So the more you do for him,
the more kind of control you get over the traps and stuff in the
crypt It's a pretty but he is a he's a fun little character, is
he. I only spoke to him a couple of times. I don't remember.
Yeah, he's fucking rat. That talks. Yeah, like turtles,
sure that they were radical, but this is gonna be a hard cut.
Somebody explained to me Mana Kuma that is let me tell you about one.
Yeah, go ahead. He's Bear. I don't know that sorright, Yeah,
yeah, murderous robotic bear. Yeah, I don't. I'm he's he's
funny, but I don't know. This is the Jigsaw. Yeah, yeah,
that sounds cool. Jimmy Hendrix, mm hm, what's that You didn't
shoes? It's depending on which choice you make and wilfin Stein, you might
not see him. So yeah, the American dude, you get this character
named Jay Okay, who is he is? Jimmy Hendrix? If he picked
yeah, let him live. That's what he looks like. Yeah, I
didn't get him. He's got a little thing over his face, but yeah,
he plays the thing that sounds like in reality, Like the best thing
about that character is his death scene, like the he doesn't do a whole
lot in the game otherwise, So I'm fine with Eventually, I just kind
of wanted to mention I thought it was kind of it was a clever way
to to to sort of tie that stuff together, and I really did like
his death scene. It's good. There was some amusing stuff in that game,
in that vein. Yeah, like that that like like all the pop
music stuff. Yeah, like the news clipping you find that implies like the
Beatles were conscripted and like forced to play like Nazi propaganda music. Yeah,
yeah, all that. Like Parallel Universe. Stiff has handled really well and
was pretty good. What's who sad anything about a parallel universe? That's what
the Beatles didn't. So yeah we can we can delete Jay I just I
just wanted to mention it, all right, Yeah, okay, that's good.
I like Iron Bowl for this list. Yeah, I would delete Vivian.
I think she's really she's she's really fucking cocky. I just liked the
way she doesn't take any ship but your character she was in she was in
uh was she? Yeah? Yeah, she was in two. Yeah.
Well iron Bull is iron Ball is better anyway, and he is definitely new
right. It's Freddy Prince Junior. That's crazy, come on, is it
really? Yeah? It is versatility Huh he's still on board. Yeah,
weird o b DSM free full character ends up with Dorian like fuck super insane,
at least in the version of the universe like I've done. So he
did. He was in Mass Fact three. Yeah, he played a character
that was it sounded like Freddy Prince Junior in Mass Effects. He was also
a WWE writer for summer years that He's had a lot of stuff from about
seven o nine. I want to say, all right, something like that.
It's as long as he gets a writing job there. Uh, someone
just put Boil from Velvet Sun Down. Yeah. Character. Yeah, these
guys in nightclub. Yeah, he's got a nightclub. He wants to tell
you about it. Yeah, I would love your story nightclub. All right,
Boil told your story about the nightclub. That's really good story. Boil.
Yeah, fuck Boil. Oh no, I should we take Boil off
the list? I mean, I like, yeah, the best doesn't have
to be like, isn't that really a character? Yeah? I mean,
if it's about a character that affected us at this table, I think Boiler.
Yeah, you're right, you're not wrong about that. Boil is a
character. You were playing the role of that character. That's true. It
is a role playing game, all right, So yeah he's on there.
All right? Is this category shit bought Boil and Iron Bowl. Let's talk
about Amanda for a second. Yeah, it's pretty good. Amanda is a
literally feral woman who is a cat mentally, I think I don't know.
The game hasn't gotten around to actually explaining what Amanda's backstory is. But she
is a transient feral woman that lives in your apartments and you can buy stuff
from her. But then when you are when you were in your like weird
vision, she's an actual cat, right, yeahs too? This is the
might okay. Yeah, and she is ridiculous and I I by far the
most memorable character in that game. Do you think maybe the fashion designer would
would be Yeah, but I liked demand of better. Yeah, she's weird.
She spits a rat into your mouth in the opening scene. That's because
she loves you. Yeah, it's a present. What's the name of the
detective that you work alongside that game? Force case in Case He was pretty
good too, Force Caseon or some form of him has appeared in previous sweary
game every Yeah, okay, yeah, but he looked the same or is
it like a sid and final fantasy thing? I think it's such a it's
a similar it's a civil r He's very fat, Okay, but Yeah,
it's kind of like the one character that the sweary verse. So do we
like shovel Night because he's a night with a shovel? Okay, That's that's
the crux and the beginning and the end of my argument. I kinda like
his story, and you know, I kind of like the backstory that character.
The story the story of shovel Night is like better than it should be
for game of that type, but it isn't actually the character itself. No,
no, I'm not, I'm not. What was the gist of his
him and some other night fighting over lady, right, and he had the
nightmares about her following all the time? Well she dies, she was his
partner. She's like good night, Okay, yeah, gotcha. Yeah,
She's like they were partners in adventuring and she died and he has nightmares about
her. Right, Yeah okay, but yeah, should takes shoven that up?
Yeah? Yeah, Pegan, tell me about the Pegaman. He's a
fun character, you know, it's it's a great paganman' is a interesting dude,
you know. It's it's one of those cases where you don't really see
a ton of him on screen, but he's he's contacting you every so often.
Yeah, I think some of the radio transmissions are pretty good. They
are, they are really good. He references Kanye West's Twitter at one point
over the radio. Yeah, that that stuff's pretty well. There's another time
that he calls you, like so you know, he's a menacing guy,
like you're you're pretty wary of him throughout, you know, and like like
an hour or two into the game, like it might be the second or
third time he calls you on the radio. I wish I could remember how
it's phrased. But he basically calls you up and like acts like he's gonna
say something, and he's just like I just wanted to make sure you're still
there, gonna like click. Let me talk about when Yeah, I think,
yes, yeah, he totally does. Yeah. Like so it's like
the handsome Jack stuff but way less obnoxious. Well, they don't lean too
heavily on that stuff at all. That's that's pretty infrequent. Like he's a
he's an absolute psycho. I mean he's like a terrible person. Right.
That seems like a fun guy. Yeah, Like I would go to it.
If he was throwing a party, I'd be interested in going. Yeah,
it might be a character you want to hang out with, you know,
maybe maybe maybe from a different it seems risky. Yeah, I go
to when events he was throwing. Yeah, I don't know if I want
to be I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if I want to
be like trapped, you know, like I wonder if he could help me
with my bar idea your club. Yeah, is it? Is it tied
to saving the whales at all? Because I'm really into that. Yeah.
Yeah, you guys would really have a lot in common. You know.
What I'll say in his favor is that when they showed the intro with him
in it at E three, Yeah, and I was like, oh good,
they're making another boss. Here's another totally unhinged adversary who just kills people
commors right. Yeah. But then you play the game and it's like he's
a totally different character. Yeah, he's not. Even they give him,
They bring him to life in a total, totally different way. Yeah.
I think he's a fun villain. Yeah. How about Billy Carver. So
this is mostly on the strength of Michael Madsen's performance in that game, which
is surprisingly good. Carver is, for all intents and purposes, just kind
of a not not really a rehash, but definitely like a take on the
governor from The Walking Dead. Like he is the leader of a you know,
a fairly unhinged society of survivors, and he's pretty easily like pretty quick
to punch people in the face or throw them off buildings, that kind of
thing. Oh, he's very menacing, like very effectively menacing. And I
was really bummed when they took him out of the season pretty early on,
like like eliminated or like, yeah, episode three he's gone. But the
two episodes he's in, he's fantastic. He's the only part of that season
I really really liked. So I think there's something to him being on this
list, But unless anyone else has played that season and has similar feelings,
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to hold that argument up against some
of these other ones. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he was good.
I don't I wish he had been used more. Yeah, so, I
think I think the season sort of failed him in that regard. He was
at a character with a lot of potential. Yeah, I thought Kevin Spacey,
I don't think he needs to be on the list. Okay, it's
I like his I think Kevin Spacey's performance is good, and it's telling that
whoever added this wrote Kevin Spacey because he's not he does not have a memorable
name. Uh. And yeah, he's a he's a good villain by call
of duty standards and that sort of stuff. And I think the performance is
great. But the character itself is you know, like he's not in the
game that much. It sort of doesn't matter. He's just kind of Kevin
Spacey as like government style sleez bag. Well, Kevin Spacey's really good at
like chewing up everything around him. One of those actors. Yeah, and
he does that. It's it's one of the things where it's like, yeah,
you know, if we were doing like a best performance category or something,
yeah, like yeah, you know, like i'd maybe say, like,
oh, the performance, the voice, acting and all that sort of
stuff is great. But it's a good Kevin space It's Yeah, it's a
really kind of character. He plays a lot of them. It's best.
Nay, he would win. Yeah, totically not a villain, though,
is he how's the cards? Okay, he's played a lot. If he's
done some villain his ship in his day. He fits really well in the
Call of Duty universe, you find it come up with someone cartoonish. That
also, it's more edge to him, it's more of the character is not
interesting, Like it's pretty predictable, and then he exits the story and a
pretty underwhelming manner. Yeah, he falls out of a can. We like,
he falled out of a flaming skyscraper and s by Call of Duty standards.
That's fucking nothing. I know, it doesn't know how Water War four
three kind of ended. I don't even remember, you know, you hang
him by mac slam him through the skylight and then he hangs himself and the
light a cigar. But that's really that's pretty cool. Yeah. No,
he is kind of like falling off a building to a certain extent, you
just keep him hung sort of the same. He gets the Hans Grouper death,
which is one of the best deaths in actions. So I think that's
why it's like a slow mo. Yeah, let's go, and he's staring
right at you. Yeah, I don't, like I'm not talking about the
way he died. I mean that like no arc theory, you know,
like it's kind of he's one of those villains that thinks that he's got like
the moral high ground. He's doing the right things, like he doesn't really
know. He's the best death scene again. You know MAYB would be that
in Jimmy Hendrix probably, but yeah, I like to killing him in that
game. Yeah it again? Yeah, yeah I would kill again a plus
plus whoa. Let's talk about Merek for a second. Well, good luck
he survived and now he has a robot arm, just like you had kill
him all over again. Yeah, I remember liking meriic. I don't really
remember why. I like. It's killing me because I can't find any unspoiled
footage of tell me about nothing, I know nothing less plays. This is
a real hard category. We'll be doing impression. It's like Mary told,
like, I really like everything about the because is he a fox for a
wolf? Is? I think he's a wolf? He has a saying in
the hind he's in the ships. It's my favorite stone type of pilots.
You didn't you didn't play Broken Age, right? I did not finish,
not deep into it. Yeah? Did you ever meet him? I think
so? Like he think I saw him at some point when someone was playing.
Whether it was me or somebody else, I don't even remember. You're
you're shape or a little kid on on the space ship, and the spaceship
is programmed to meet your every need, but it does it in a very
rigid fashion. You know, it gives you a really specific routine to follow
every day, like its computer mom, go here and eat, now,
go here an exercise, now, go here and watch stuff. You know,
like you're never able able to deviate from everything that the ship wants you
to do. Yeah, and then when you find a way to break out
of the routine without the ship noticing, you like tumble down this duct into
this like unknown part of the ship and there's like the sly talking wolf living
there. It's pretty weird. It's really weird, weir and his voice is
like the delivery is like half the character. Like he sounds so like sly
and mysterious and kind of kind of ship Like there's not like he's up to
something like that you can't really trust. Yeah, Like it's it's really good.
And like even the way he looks like he's got really shifty eyes that
kind of dart back and forth, and he's he's just like a wolf that
lives in the walls of your spaceship, Like it's so weird. That whole
game is pretty weird. What are his motives? And I can't find any
video of him? You know it stuff well as the resident wolf expert at
this table hunting, probably food is what he's up to. Yeah, mhm,
I like Ship Bop all right. I also sounds like ship stays on
the list. Sounds like you guys, I didn't get up to Iron Bull.
I ever got him in my party. I've heard, I've heard Iron
Bull is great. He's just got a ton of fucking personality, Like he's
really funny, and then realizing it's Freddy Prince Junior just makes it all the
better. Yeah. So it's like the more you dig into the kind of
the Iron Bull backstory more and kind of what Iron Bull is into iron balls?
Alright, no cool, I guess what I'm gonna go with Boil So
you're into boy, I'm just ticking boy. I think those three ship bought
Iron Bull Boil. Yeah, Man, Amanda Pagan Man and a boil Boil.
Yeah what a what a come from behind start of the Boil A Carver
off. Turns out everyone loved Ball along Boil got nobody cares that much about
rat King. Okay, it's interesting that that's a rat that talks but doesn't
make a whole lot of impression beyond okay, Monaicuma. I think Monica is
a great character, but I'd rather see Boil get on there. That's what
Monica would have would have. We're gonna Amanda, ship Bought, pagan Man,
Iron Bowl, Merrick boil in Atlas. Pagan Man has got to go.
I think you think he's pretty good. He is pretty good. He's
pretty good. Is he one of the best new characters of the year?
Not over ship Bought, Iron Bull and Boil No, he's a strong force.
Uh, I would say, Amanda, it's probably the strong or you
like Amanda over shippot thing carefully. I don't know how to answer that question.
I don't know. I think Amanda is crazy and insane. But Shiphot
really like you just you just feel for this thing. There's a part in
that game where you have to chase Amanda around your apartment because she has stolen
a baseball that is the next thing that you need, and she is just
like tearing up your entire apartment in cat like fashion. Yeah, but is
a full grown woman. There's a part where a Shipot says follow me,
and then flies into the sky and then lands on top of a building and
you're like, I can't what the where I am. It just sounds sort
of character that like every five minute should be saying like follow me on Tumblr.
Yeah, if she could talk, sure or type I've decided to start
living as a cat welding. Yeah whatever I think I are. We Well,
you guys sound really like sh bottle. I like the name ship Bot
is pretty good, and the little bits of dialogue I heard sounded like someone
squealing over ship bought talking. It's also funny that the the like again,
you have to kind of play through it to get the context. But the
woman who the ship Bot's owner is a real fucking asshole and it's just like
like a terrific asshole, and so naming him shipbot is just so fucking just
mean. Yeah, just take this ship bot. Uh it's I can't get
over the name. It's a really good name, she says, She's just
a really nasty thing, real pot. So it sounds like we're talking ship
bought and iron Bowl on the list. Yes, what's our third boil boy,
Yeah, boil boil boil Yep, you know what I think, all
right, So let the face of the wild Boil support. I don't know
that I can argue against it. I think for me, Boil is just
a representation of the characters of Velvet Sunday. Yes, right, Like it
was almost nominating no Boils the best character. Yeah, in a sea of
fantastic characters. Boil represents the epitome of Boil. Is this like that it's
going to open a nightclub? Is this like that time the Time magazine gave
Person of the Year to you? A yeah, yeah, yeah, But
I think it's actually justified. Here Boil name a character that meant more to
the people at this table. Yeah, this here, you cannot fuck Boil
exactly. You answered young questions. Boy Almos talk to you about drugs.
All right. So we're going with ship Bought, We're going with Iron Bowl,
and we're going with Boil. YEP. I love this category. Boil
is the best dumb category we had this far. And I think the only
reason I remember Boiled his name is from Amelik or Melik from the rest of
the game is all the fuck Boil Like it's the only reason because I hear
that generated voice in my head just being like, fuck Boil, get out
of here, Jeff, You're a boil, right, Yes, we've all
did Boil at one time or another, whether when you would or not.
Who wants to win Best New Character boyle, Look you got Boil on the
list. Yeah not. Let's not get greedy here. Choose your battles again.
You guys said last time that it's whoever met the most to the most
people at this table, or but or if the people stable have a convincing
argument for somebody else. And again, I haven't gotten iron Bull yet,
but if you guys are way down with iron Bull, he sounds pretty amazing.
I predict that I'm really gonna like iron Bull. So I'm going to
cast my boat for iron Bull. All right, that's a good way to
go. Yes, let's just keep that mentality going for the rest of these
awards. Oh yeah, I think I would have liked the rest of Sunset
over Drive. So, oh, I mean what you've described if iron Bull
sounds, plus that that guy can actually act and all that stuff. Yeah,
yeah, iron Ball is great. It's really funny too, like Dragon
Age weirdly enough, like it has way more humor than I would have expected
for Yeah, for that universe and he sticks out like exceptionally. Well,
yeah, it's also for me, you know, like knowing what BioWare has
done with that style of character in the past. Yeah, like you know,
if this is another mordern type situation. Yeah, he's probably the really
really I don't know, a really strong personality. Yeah, in a certain
way. It's just huge, so big actually technically should be the iron Ball
than it is, like it says the iron Bull now. Yeah, it's
like it's it's like Evin just type of I think he named himself too,
didn't he Yep, like he wanted it to be the iron Ball iron Ball,
So how'd you get their names? Like I gave it to myself.
I can't give yourself your own nickname. That's not how this works. It's
are you going to tell him? No? Yeah, you look at that.
I think maybe not, you know, Yeah, I guess that sounds
like it. Yeah, I think You're never gonna play Dragon Age. Just
look up Iron Bull sex scene. I'm gonna I'm playing alright. What Oh,
I've watched the Iron Bowl sex scenes. They're they're pretty phenomenal. Yeah,
and like the eighties I did, but not recently I'm gonna VHS tape.
I don't think those are those aren't out on DVD. You got a
time to square back when you could get that sort of the video tape of
the number on it. Yeah, things have changed. No, that's just
insects fighting, all right? Or are we settling then? Yeah? I
am. I am okay with that. Aaron Bull takes the best to new
character. Thenations the Iron Bowl, take a job, Boils Junior. See
you next year. Maybe boy Wail gets that nightclub open, yeah, spinoff
Gating maybe next year. So you're called Boiled Nights, the nightclub and the
spinoff game. And the name of the club is the name of the club
is called the Old Boil. So who writes off boil boils? All right?
Irish night club? Yes, now club, yep, all right.
Let's move on to the next category, which is best early Access experience,
which means, uh, you know they have that early access thing on Steam.
I do which one of those games do you have the best experience with?
So this is just from the Steam Early Access program? Uh, I
guess games. But most games are stuff that has planned for a release that
hasn't come out. I can say it's stuff that isn't exclusive to like backer
rewards from Kickstarter, everything you could buy into, but their points. I
think like Prison Architect is a good example where they ran that independently. But
that's the same concept. Okay, so if you if you that is in
fact on but now it's you're right, you're right. So if you can
pay money to play something before it's out, yeah, just I think this
is kind of just like, you know, there are a lot of games
on early Access that are barely games. Like Pro Wrestling X is up there,
and that's not a thing that's fucking despite the fact they've been working on
that for like twelve years. Yeah, trusted. Every week we Alex and
I are going through that list of stuff and then say all right, let's
try this, and then coming back the next week in the production meeting.
Thanks. So this is the stuff that, like, you know, whether
it's that the updates have been meaningful or that they launched with a significant chunk
of a game that is actually like good and fun. Yeah, yeah,
something, yeah exactly, something it's like worth playing now even though it's not
whole. Yeah, how much contents on Reckfast right now, Well, let's
let's read the games that we currently have on the list, Gang of Beasts,
crypt Of the Necrod Answer, Nuclear Throne, day Z, The Long
Dark Crawl, Reckfast previously known as Next Car Game, Bro Force, and
snow All Caps. I'm not familiar with that one. What's Snowboard? Yeah?
Same, okay, so would have would have been on this list exited
beta last year, say last year. I guess it's interesting. It just
interesting little thought experiment. Okay, sure, think about that. I would
say for me, Gang Beasts, Encrypto, the Necker d Answer or two
of my absolute favorite those are for mes on this category. I think Gang
Beasts had like a rough start when it first actually got onto Steam, like
the builds we were playing prior to that, you know, they they went
and overhauled a lot of the back end, like it's something that will probably
make that game better in the long run. But it actually took a step
back as soon as it got onto Steam. So do we count this stuff
before it was on Steam as part of that? I mean it was accessible
then. I think like I was disappointed in Gang Beasts when it first made
its way into early access, So I guess I would say like the experience
was lessened as a result, if we're just looking at the name of the
category and kind of going that way, I think they have made adjustments to
it, like they're they're getting there. So like, I still feel pretty
good about it. But it's not like some home run Slam like just lock
like well, I mean sure for me it is. I'm saying personally that
I get that. I don't think any of us here give a shit about
Daisy and shouldn't be on the list. I'm taking it off. I think
I think Daisy is an interesting Yeah, it's real tough to play. Still,
Yeah, we had some good times and Daisy. Yeah yeah, yeah,
once you get past thanks to the folks who helped us out in Daisy.
Yeah, not everybody. The only person who's really spent any time with
the Long Dark. Yeah, that game is is is pretty cool, but
uh, I don't think it's gonna I don't think it was my best early
access experience. It looks popular survival game. It's a survival games one.
It seems like kind of a need one. Yeah, it's got a real
cool look to it, but that might be for next year's I think I'm
pretty much the only person who played snow In here I messed a little bit
at one point. It's not bouring in ye to do like tricks and stuff.
But really, I think the part I had the most fun with was
just like going down a hill, uh and teleporting different parts of the mountain,
just skiing around. It feels really good, it looks really good.
It doesn't need to be on this list, but I just wanted to talk
about him because it like snow Okay, I like knows got some good hits.
Yeah, as far as like best and the most complete early access experienced,
bro Force was almost like complete by the time it hit early access.
They've actually had like delC and they've added like a map editor and stuff,
and they keep adding new characters. It's still early access, still early access.
Yeah, it's given. I don't like playing, but it seems like
they're they're doing it right. It was one of the things they almost feel
like they launched with too much game in a way, because it was like
they launched it and they played it and went like it's all right, cool,
and then like they keep making updates and I went back to it when
like, oh, you've got like an over world map now, I guess
okay, Like I feel like, I still have gotten my fill of bro
Force, but sure, like even when it went up it had like what
fifteen characters or something like that and two player mode and it all worked fine.
Was the expendable stuff part of that or a separate that was a standalone
Okay? Yeah? Yeah, I think Krawl is a good Early Acts experience,
but not a game I like playing. I just don't think I like
the game. Think I'm the only one here who really really likes troll.
I like the I like something. Yeah, I like it, yeah,
which is maybe maybe really good for this category, just conceptually, like they
have some some work to do. Yeah, I don't, is it like
well, I just I just I think I wanted to like it more than
I like. I don't. I don't know that they've added enough to that
thing since it came out. There's still just some problems I think when you're
just waiting, like when you're just the ghost. They added a little bit
more in the last couple of versions, but like for me, especially having
that same boss fight waiting at the end of every right, every run,
Yeah, it was really unfortunate. There may be another one in there at
this point, but I don't know. How you access it. They may
have anybody else I should say, I have a good time with bot Colony
this year impossible. You can have a time with it, that's for sure.
You can have good end time. Uh similar time space thing. So
no, I won't add it. That's just you know, I'm not gonna
sit here and argue my case, you know, put it on and take
it off. Yeah, I'm gonna save my arguments for another category your argument
points. Yeah, I'll start with pro force, like, yeah, it
seems like no one's super hot on it. Like, I think I'm the
complete demographic for that game. And even I played it for fifteen twenty minutes
and I was like, all right, I get it. Yeah, yeah
it plays well, but yeah, it gets pretty fast, and some of
the characters I think are a lot less fun to play than others. Yeah,
like it my guy who just throws turkeys or something. Yeah that kind
of sucks. Yeah, it's it's all right. It's a good idea.
Is this a love or hate the game category? I mean as it's not.
Definitely, there's a little bit of it. I feel like the game
kind of has to be enjoyable for that to really qualify. Yeah, I
mean, you know, this this category is here because these games aren't eligible
in any other category. So to an extent, this is just you know,
early access games. We like, we are acknowledging that these are games
that are not done that we still like. You know, what came out
this year is that I'm finishing a star Forge actually came out. I think
it released yeah wow really yeah, And I tried playing it and it's just
a complete tangential side but it's actually really hard because it turns into like,
you know, like a minecrafty kind of thing. We have to go get
resources, but you can't just dig to the center of the earth. I
think there's like a free play mode, but that's like yeah, so like
I don't know. I actually tried been prepping it for a quick looking boy,
so I would say as an unfinished experience, it was probably better than
yeah yeahs plate of Nuclear Throne. I haven't spent a significant amount of time
with it. I feel like it's a game I'm going to really like,
and they seem to have done early access really well. I think that this
is that's actually probably the winner of this category with Nuclear Throne. You know,
it's one of those things where like if we're talking about best early access
experience and everything that encompasses that, Like the game has changed in very significant
ways over time, but it launched strong, and they've been very open with
the nature of their development, with very frequent updates the stream of that game's
developed. Yeah, that's actually, that's not It's one of those things.
No, it is not. It is still early access. He just only
added the Throne like a couple of months ago. Yeah, like you weren't
able to beat that game for a long time. I've heard so much about,
Like it's super popular, isn't it. Yeah, it's yeah, yeah,
it seems like it. I don't I can't say for sure, but
yeah, I think that that's that's a really cool game out of the gate
and the stuff they've been adding, you know, over over time, I
think it's been good. And I think very specifically the the experience, like
the experience of watching the development and participating in the development as someone who buys
into that. I'm not sure there's a game on this list that does that
exactly, Like best early access experience that is Nuclear Throne, like by ad
buy a mile. I like that game quite a bit. I think everything
you just said also with the last script of the necrodanswer though with the exception
of the crazy streaming, because obviously they're not doing that, and then they
don't update as frequently. Yeah, and I think they're doing it. But
I feel like every update for that game has been good. But that's the
thing. They started out Okay, maybe very good. I haven't I haven't
necessarily followed it. They've kind of neat. They've made very significant additions with
with every patch cool, and every time you boot it up and there's a
new patch, you just get a strange log of here's all the new stuff
that you're about. That's been the kind of one of the annoying things about
something like bro Force, Like as they made updates, it's like you you
look in the Steam notes, like you'll see some stuff, but it hasn't
always been clear. Like I've definitely loaded that game up and been like,
this is the same fucking thing, Yeah, what's what's going on? And
even though you know there they have kind of an in world menu. You
know, you're in like a little hub when you're jumping around to the different
staircases, and like they even explain in the game world when things are not
done. You know, it's like stuff that's still in development if you try
to access it. So you're like coming so and so play stages and they'll
say like, hey, you can play this, but I know that,
yeah, there will be other enemies and things in the future, which I
think is it really it's really cool to communicate that in the game, right.
Half that part of the experience is that, hey, you guys go
around here, but know what you're getting into. Yeah, I think I
think that probably belongs on the list. I think that top three they've probably
list. They even dumped the entire soundtrack just in the game install directory for
you to That's pretty good, brab if you want it. It's a really
good sounds really anyone Jeffreys refast is great. Yeah. I feel like maybe
they've been a little slow in the updates and stuff like the I played that
game about three days ago and it hasn't really advanced that much. It's one
of those things where like kind of almost the more interesting part is still that
physics demo that's technically not in the game. It's a separate launcher that they
don't update. It's a just a little physics test like that's kind of cool,
but like the game itself is a demolition derby game with really good car
smashing up physics, that it is still not the demolition derby game that I
want as a someone who actually goes to those has been involved with demolition yea,
but you have yeah, uh, and so like it's that's still kind
of frustrating to me. It's not finished yet. Yeah, absolutely they could
get there, but I feel like that you know, they're having not been
they're having a ton of updates and and it's I think there's a ton of
potential in that game, but yeah, I mean in terms of just like
you know, like are they using early access right or wrong or whatever?
I feel like it's just kind of here's an unfinished version of the game that
they're going to patch a kay Usionally, Yeah, that physics demo is pretty
great experience. It is really outstanding. Yeah yeah, but I think they
were selling that before they were even on Steam, so it was like that
it was kind of available separately beforehand, which I don't know how much that
actually matters. But and it's already gone all right, okay, has been
taken off the clear Where are the word? This was going, I really
like those three. I think that if the argument is for a Nuclear from
that's the one I haven't really played. But if people are strong feel strongly
about it, that seems fine. It's specifically what they're doing about the development
of that game around the game, which is also Yeah, it's the sort
of thing that if you are a fan of a game that is in development
enough to you know, like, buy an early access version of it and
follow development at all like they are, they are out there providing that publicly
in a really crazy way. So you're saying the experience of that game in
early access is the best. Yeah, necessarily the best game experience of the
game, but it also might be in the case of where these three games
are at, actually I would say that is the best game a cover those
three. When they're all done, maybe they'll will feel differently, But crypt
is incredible, I think. I think, I think an answer is like
five times ten times more fun than Nuclear Throne. But that's just as a
game. Well, there's what was that The star Bound was this year two?
Right, No, that started last year last year and early access okay,
but it's still early access. Hyper Light Drifter co Star Bounds They had
some hot and heavy updates early, and then it seemed like they kind of
started letting people down. I definitely saw some frustration about where Starbound was headed
after some initial hype. I haven't checked in on it in a while,
though. I'm a fan of Gang Beast, but I am with you.
When it came to steam, Uh, I thought maybe I was playing it
I get wrong or something. Yeah, there were some like performance issues and
stuff, they take the engine something, something weird happened. Yeah, but
I had a really good time with you guys and Gang Beasts. Yeah.
So I don't know if that is the game itself or that's the boil effect.
Kryp seems school, and and and Nuclear Throne seems seemed cool. I
haven't played either. I like hard. Do you think Nuclear Throne is too
hard? Yeah? I've never made it past the sewer. It certainly has
a lot in common with Splunky in terms of it, you know, there's
not these multiple characters, but it's meant to be that kind of Yeah,
I don't know. I think Nuclear Throne is alto more just like raw skill
challenge, you know, it's just like how well can you aim and dodge?
Sure, it's just kind of a pure action game. Yeah, but
I mean by the virtue of how it dolls out health or doesn't dole out
health, like you have to be careful in a way that you know,
most action games don't demand of you. Yeah. I really enjoy it.
Yeah. I think it wins this category for a ton of different reasons.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. No
argument here, I'm just cool. All right, all right, let's move
on then, So don't blow it. Yeah, it'll be like, what's
disappointing now, it's like set up to be most disappointed. A late breaking
category joins the fray as in, like right before this podcast, we came
up with this. So let's see how it goes over Best console exclusives is
the name currently? What does that mean? It means which console had the
best exclusives? What does that mean? Okay, so some games are only
available on one platform. They're often published and possibly funded by the company who
makes that. Platfor only available on one platform, one console platform and the
PC. But just like the industry does it large, we're going to ignore
the PC. Okay, so this is we're taking the piece at some point
that's not fair fight, yeah, because the multitude of games that are only
on the PC, like, it just makes this a really boring category because
it's just like, of course it's the PC, so the PC would have
won, so let's just take it out. It's basically we're saying, oh,
let's make it a fight. Yeah, okay, you know, you
know, and there's kind of an you know, well, I would just
like to say to anybody who thinks we are snubbing the PC, that is
not the case, because we think the PC is maybe a little overpowered.
Yeah, if anything, like, we've created a category that's a bum fight.
Yeah. By by eliminating the p's way uglier way of saying what I
was about to say, which you know, you're acknowledging the consoles catered to
a certain market, right. There are millions of people who just want to
buy a box, put it under the TV, and stick games in it
and have them work. You know, that's not really the same thing I
was saying. I'm not saying that people that enjoy console games are bums,
Okay, I just want to make I'm saying that, compared to the magic
power of these consoles, are holding bindles on sticks and riding the break.
Sure, well, so currently we have three consoles listen, okay, okay,
what are PlayStation four missing? At least one console here? Xbox one
interesting? We you I'll let you write into uya if you like soul Fjord.
No, we're good, thought about it. We're okay, we're not
acknowledging the three DS or I mean, if you want to make an argument
for three D, I mean, they're they're not going to crack the top
three. There were almost no exclusives for the Vita. Vita Vita is a
cross by machine for the iOS. I think that runs into a little bit
of the name of the category is best console exclusive. Yeah, okay,
sorry, So we're just debating a winner here basically out of the three.
Well, if you we could debate that one of these is so bad that
we don't even want to nominate it, if you want to go the spots.
So that's well, let's let's let's just start with I mean, there's
not that much to talking about for some of these, so let's just start
Like PlayStation four, what are we talking about? Sorry, son, let's
before we're talking about Binding of Rebirth, Yeah, which is that's the only
console that is available on Uh. Yeah, you're right, Blacklight Retribution,
we're talking I'm sorry, that came out last year. Drive Club Club.
We're talking about Daylight. We're talking about Drive Club. We're talking about DC,
about DC Universe came out last year. Sorry, right, we're talking
about Drive Club but we're talking about Final Fantasy fourteen, A Realm Reborn.
Huh. We are talking about ho hokum, Infamous Second Son, Little Big
Planet three, MLB fourteen, the show Octa, Dad Dad, Last Catch,
Counters, Rogue Legacy. M hm. Uh So we're not this qualifying
ANYPS four stuff that's like cross Buyers anything like that. Yeah. No,
we're kind of just saying doesn't appear on the other consoles, but it can
be on PC. Yes, okay, console that freas at the end of
the leta, especially in the PlayStation stuff. Okay, that's it's basically the
one Big One was in let's talk Xbox one. Xbox one had Sunset.
Yeah, well yeah, the Big three from this from this holiday Sunset,
over Drive, forts A Rise in Too, master Chief Collection, yeah,
and D four Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, excuse me,
The Big Four, Central, Spotlight, Central Spotlight. We were talking about
Halia, Halo, Project Spark. Yes, are we talking about Shape Up?
Shape Up to the Streets, Super Time Force, titan Fall, tight
Fall earlier in the year. That's basically time nothing else in the first half
the year. There wasn't a lot in the early part of the year.
Month there's kind of tighten Fall show for a long time. Didn't time for
us make it out on both eventually? No, No, it's just Xbox
Vulgar or The Viking. I was just gonna say on any other platform,
sucking Vulgar or the Viking. That game's great. That came out exclusively,
Well, came out on Xbox ONRN. It's only on Xbox here last month,
yeah, last month. All right, let's talk some we you.
Yeah, let's talk for you, Captain Toad, Captain Toads brothers for we
you eight dot Com Country Country. Yeah, those are all really good warriors.
Well, it is an exclusive, so we're counting it. Yes,
yeah, yeah, yeah, games pretty all right, go on, it's
all right, it's a game that it's pretty good. I'm sorry, Doctor
Luigi was December thirty one. Shovel Night, Shovel Night. Yeah, right,
now it's on. But if we're not counting that, yeah, we're
not. We are not counting that, So then Shovel Night counts. Uh,
Sonic Boom on. The Sonic Boom is only on the we you guys,
all right? All right? Push Moo World, Yeah, those are
good games. Uh Pushmo there's just another Push Moo. Yeah your eyes you
Yeah, that's kind of what we're looking at here. I mean, I
think I feel like we U has the highest high in terms of baying that
A two. I think that's kind of like the crowning. Like this game
only appeared on one platform Game of the year. If we were doing best
exclusive game, I think that would win it. Yeah, but also that
is maybe the only game on the WU list that I'm interested in it at
all. People love Mario Kart eight, myself and people general. Okay,
okay, this table this table game. I think it's the best Mario Kart
yet. Oh man, that DS version note it's really good. I like
that. Yes, But that said, I love Mario Kart eight. It
is a fantastic Mario Kart game. The DLC for that game is even good.
Yeah, it really good. Knowing how Nintendo tends to be with DLC.
That could have gone so wrong. Yeah, that's an incredible game,
isn't implemented in kind of a Nintendo esquay of just like oh, you probably
could have done this in a way that like it's all cosmetic DLC. There's
tracks tracks, okay, but but like the new like the new cars and
stuff are still only available if you bought it, right, That's no,
they ended up. They ended up. I don't think you have to buy
them in order to see them when you race, so use with the vehicle.
With the vehicles, you can see that if you don't buy the DLC,
but you cannot, ok Okay. Great. That was the thing that
like when they first started talking about it sounded like they fucked this. You
were doing like it? Yeah, they were gonna screw that up. Okays
tell me you. Yeah. The way I look at this as PlayStation four
had Infamous was their big one, which I like Infamous, and that didn't
really blow away. I was in this category and I'm a huge I was
a big informist fan, and I found that game extremely disappointed. Yeah,
I mean I just like, generally speaking, I think Sony's first party stuff
is like it's been a mess. This here uninteresting, Like Drive Club was
a mess and like they're exclusives. I mean, and they're exclusives. I
mean the third party stuff has been around, you know, like exclusive Destiny
Strike right and you know whatever you get Diablo or like, and they didn't
have they didn't have many like Little Guy exclusives, and Free was broken.
It's broken the same way Drive Club is. Remember when we did that quick
look and it was all fucked up. Oh yeah, it is just as
fucked up today, if not more so so that game. What about all
they're like according the Indiana When I'm making my decision between you know, Xbox
or PlayStation, I was like, okay, play Session is gonna have more
there. But already Transistor really secret ponchos just came out, but its apparently
not happened in that game. I don't know, it's not very far.
I got an email from them today saying like we're working on the matchmaking issues
that some people have. Also it deleted all of my data and my characters.
Yeah, I think the Xbox one is worth considering. There is some
really good stuff on there, you know, D four I think since it
Overdrive is pretty great. Despite me forgetting about Forsa after that first week I
played it. That first week was pretty awesome. Forces is a really good
game. Have you heard the titan Fall? I have like titan Yeah,
I like that game. It's really good games. The only like first person
shooter multiplayer game that I spent any time with. I think, I think
it's not as good as Call of Duty personally, but you know that's not
really your category. Yeah, it's not the best. It's titan Fall beter
than No, Okay, titan Fall is pretty good. The multi player.
I think I had more fun with the titan Fall multiplayer than Call of Duty.
It's close, but I you know, I really like the Call of
Duty campaign. But for me, it was telling them when when they added
that playlist that was titan Fall without the Titans. I went back to it
said this is awesome. Really yeah, I like the Titans. Yeah.
I mean, Sunset and titan Fall are both awesome, awesome games. But
I mean look at the WU and honestly, I think, I mean,
I think I don't think especially highly of Sunset Overdrive. The more I think,
I think, I think the reality is that no one platform had a
ton of really awesome exclusive games for them, I think that we had were
sending. Yeah, I mean absolutely the U is by default, by its
utter lack of third party support, almost every game on the WEEU is exclusive
to the WEU. But that percentages are just better for that system. But
you know, it comes down to just like how much do you actually care
about those games? And it sounds like that if we go around the table,
like all of us at least have one, if not multiple games that
we can look at and go like, yeah, that's it's a fantastic game.
Yeah, there are multiple Those exclusives on the WU will be in my
top ten. It's just a lot of really great games. And Smash and
Marrow Kart are going to be a couple of those games that I'll go back
to two or three years from now if I have people over or something like,
those games are gonna last a long time. You can't, You're you
don't know that, Like maybe it's always like streams of the way you treat
most Nintendo games like that, there are people that still go back and play
that goddamn in sixty four stuff. Still, you know, like it's like
those are the kinds of games that are built to last, Like that,
sure, but I think I think with crazy people. I think there are
a lot of crazy people who like video games. Man, but we're we're
talking about us. We're not crazy, that's not true, not crazy.
We're the only same people that's right left us at this table. We're the
normal ones. Guy in A two is a great game. We're the inmates
running the asylum just down. I think I think we you it's gotta be
alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Ban is a
fantastic game. Yeah, Captain Toads should have been three dollars on an iPhone
to the right, three dollars. That game should be like right next to
Monument Valley and some sort of like best new Games list on the app store,
Donkey Knell, you know what was all right? No, actually,
now you mention you know it was sort of just just like remember how it
goes? Yeah, I'm funky flippers. What's my favorite track on the probably
a track Simeon Hoe Down. That was Simon Shuffle Monkey Metal. Uh.
Yeah, much much like Jeff Boston Nova. I don't care out like eighty
percent of the games on the WU, but I recognize that they were made
with Kraft, that they're quality products, and they're like the best versions of
those games that Nintendo has produced. Yeah, I don't even like Smash Brothers,
and I've been having a lot of fun with the new Smash Brothers.
So it's I feel like they they they they they nailed all the games they
needed to nail this year. You can make an argument that it's the best
Match Brothers, and you can make an argument that it's the best Mario card
came out this year on the WU, and those are two just beloved series.
I think the WU is in this like extraordinary position just by virtue of
so many of those games being exclusive that if we had the worst console exclusives,
it would win that as well, because Sonic Boom came out this sure
and this tropical Freeze game whatever, you know, but you know, High
Roul Warriors like that. You know, there's like stuff that came out You're
just like, man, fuck that shit. But you know, like it's
it's the one It's kind of the one benefit that system has is you know,
everything is unique for it in a way. Does that make this category
sort of inherently unfair? Well no, no, I know, I think
look at look how badly so I think Sony's first party stuff has been like
middling for years, and this year was especially and the Drive clubs Fox,
like, you know, like should we just take PlayStation four off of this
and just make it kind of what I was doing? Yeah, yeah,
because I don't think like it even deserves to be really denominated. I think
I think if you miss a second or Infamous and Drive Club doesn't even but
there's some transis transis. But but I do think that they have almost an
obligation this year, or had an obligation this year to make give a reason
for people to buy that console over another PlayStation before and the Xbox One.
Right, make games that showcase the particular power and strength of your system.
Right, there's a big year for people on holiday season to be like which
one am I going to buy? And it just seems there's a price point
battle rather rather than a games battle. Well it's it's the battle for third
party stuff, and that's kind of how it always has back to a certain
stuff. But it seems like that's that's where that's where Sony has put it's
interest is you know, it's like, well let's go lock up some exclusive
Destiny stuff and and like they did that, so they did not get call
of duty, but it seems like that's where their interests are. Yeah,
and then like, I don't think. I think it's gotten real tough for
consumers that don't follow this day to day to realize what the heck is the
difference? Like what is the different between the PS four and an Xbox One?
Yeah, totally. Meanwhile, you know exactly what the difference between those
systems and the EU is. Yes, or by virtue of this decision,
or are we implicitly telling people to go buy a WU. I'm actually yes,
Yeah, I think I think we're saying like it's probably like it's a
good time to be clear and say absolutely not. I think I'm saying,
but you buy a PC, and then if you want another console made by
OU, I'm saying you should actually get a WEU because there are some really
amazing games. I'm saying if you like this specific type of amazing game and
find those types of games amazing, then you would get a lot out of
a WIU. If you don't, you will play band at a two and
go, what the fuck am I doing with my life? I'll play Band
at a two again? Yeah, I don't want to hang out with anyone
who would ask that question after playing band at A two. No, I'm
saying, when you look at the rest of the library, No, I
know that. Yeah, this it is certainly different. All right. Well,
congratulations to Nintendo and the WU coming out of nowhere taking it. Yeah,
that's great. No, it's a super strong year for them. I
felt that way coming out of E three, you know, like the even
some of the stuff they have coming next year. I think that that they
are. They are making good on games for that system that are worth playing.
Yea, even if they don't take advantage of the screen and the unique
hardware, like they're at least like you know, like I look at Splatoon
and go like, fucking yeah, man, I want to play some fucking
Splatoons. I actually really want to play Splatoon. And they're being really good
with all the controllers stuff too, because like they're not doing the game pad
stuff, but pretty much all these games we talked about play great with that
pro control. It's like my primary controller. Yeah, multiple games from them
allowing like a crazy range of inputs. Yeah, like that that would have
been a big best trend if we had not killed the category. I mean
he's just like, you know, like with Smash Brothers. You know,
one of the problems we're running with the Xbox and the plays the four It's
like these multiplayer games come out, it's like, I'm not gonna go spend
two hundred and fifty dollars on three like I dar is gonna come out and
it supports eight players locally, right, and that's It's like that game seems
awesome, but what are you How are you going to get that many controllers
to get you cost? That's crazy? You know. It's one of those
things where it's you just have to hope that everyone who wants to play owns
the Xbox One and brings control and bothers to bring it with them. One
hundred and eighty dollars. Yeast. It just went into a box and just
found all my own week controllers like Boom, good to go. Yea where
you were one of the lucky ten people who found one of those GameCube adapter
things, yes too. Can you make one of those? Is hard to
make? Probably soldered together. That seems like something you should investigate, should
get to work on that premium content. And comes twenty fifteen, I got
some Magnets. I got a Windows drive for everything is Magnets. All right,
let's move on to the next and final category for the day, the
best debut, which is basically, you know, the first time we've seen
or heard of this game, or it's it's special without using business talk,
yeah, basically brand new game. A good job on if you're taking a
risk and not making a making a piece of sh but you know, it
doesn't squel to something, but it doesn't. Sometimes I feel like the word
debut implies there will be a follow up, But this doesn't have to be
a franchise starter necessarily. I think it's important, and like this where we
are now, where you build one game and then you need to, you
know, get your money's worth, so you make sequel, secret squeal sequel
to have some new ship come out. Yeah, totally. But but also
what I'm saying is that you don't necessarily expect there to be a jazz Pot
two or something like that or not. Actually yeah, yeah, it's especially
in some of these cases you hope it's kind of a one done but still
a great debut, such as these Valiant Hearts, The Great War Shovel,
Night Sunset, Overdrive, Bravely, Default, Middle Earth, Shadow of Mordor,
Defour Dark, Treens, Don't Die, Alien Isolation, Titan Fall,
The Fall, Jazz Punk, Velvet Sundown, and WW Supergard Wow, what
a great debut. Well, it's great every time you write that, and
he has to say, if we're gonna start adding in this iOS stuff,
I would say, monument value should be at least be considered. See what
you've done and go yeah, actually play m hm. I mean, are
we really are we? Are? We? Just? Are we disqualifying anything
that like comes from a property that's been around. I think that if it's
a licensed property like Alien, that stays because it doesn't necessarily have ties to
the previous Alien game. But in case like Hearthstone, because it is just
another game set in another game universe, I don't think that that should be
considered. Okay to be disagree, but I don't get it just because it's
set in the Warcraft universe. Yeah, I mean it's a totally different spinoff.
It's a spinoff, but it's also a totally different game than what World
Warcraft is. But like we wouldn't have considered like, oh, StarCraft Ghost.
You know, that's like saying like should we consider a Call of Duty
advanced warfare because it's the first advanced warfare No, but it's another shooter.
This is a card This is a card battling game that is based on an
MMO slash strategy game. I don't think property. I feel like, you
know, Sion Isolation is a spinoff from the movie, but not like all
the other same game series, Like there's no game series that Isolation spends off
from. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's licensed from a different property
type of media. I mean, I'm willing to work within those confines.
I would just like to make a conscientious objection and say that I think Harstone
is one of the best debuts of the year. Yeah, noted me too,
I noted, sure, fine, congratulations, Like it opens up people
to an entire genre that they may have never did that for me. It
did for me. I never would have played the DCG means sort of any
just adding games Transister. I really like Transistor. I like the game playing
Transistor. I didn't really care that much about Transistor. You suck. I'm
sorry. Yeah, you're asking with you, like, you know, there's
some cool stuff in your Transistor, but it did not grab me. Yeah,
I'm glad we talked about checking enough. I enjoyed that game with Threes.
Yeah great, I mean considering what Threes ultimately spawned, and I'm looking
forward to the sequel we get to four is it'll be something. What about
Left Trousers, It's great. It's a great game, standing game. I
don't think it beats several of the other games on this list, but I
did really like Left Trousers. I only wrote down WW Supercard because I thought
it would be a funny thing to make Brad say it again. I'm just
gonna cut that now. Okay, Mission acomplished. Yeah, for a couple
of reasons. One, it's technically not a debut. It's a reskinned version
of a basketball that's fair so so also fun that game. I hate to
I hate to just like lean toward the obvious big budget games, but I
feel like suns Out over Drive and Shadow moret we're both ye, so we
were cool with the Middle Earth stuff that we're not saying we're not gonna do
it. It's a totally different franchise. It has nothing to do with any
previous Lord of the Rings game franchise. I think Middle Earth should stay.
I sense it overdrive. I feel like I'll lose this argument, but I
just don't really like that always so much better. I'm with you, I'm
with you. I'm with you too, like like it's it's just saying all
that don't know why people. Yeah, I just I'm like, so I
have played a later save that had some stuff unlocked. I've got the air
dash if that makes yea. Yeah, that is the difference. That's the
last big upgrades first mobility and stuff. Yeah, I think completely changed.
I don't like the story that a lot of the stuff about with the way
it's presented, I don't like. As much as I like that it is
a colorful game, I don't necessarily like the look of the world that much
like I think. I think it's corny. I haven't finished the Boy Scout
mission, if that's a I think the most notable thing about that it is
sort of a return to form for Insomniac in terms of the whackiness, and
I totally disagree. It seems like this super forced attitude in a way that
like Ratchett never quite had. I wasn't just I wasn't talking about that so
much as just like this is a very frivolous, silly game. Yes,
I use yeah, it's yeah, Like this seems like the pendulum swung back
after Fuse got all the life sucked out of it, and this is the
game they made. Hopefully they got it out of their system and they can
find a better middle ground next time. Like I just don't it's it's I
don't like it. I think suns or Drize a tremendous amount of fun to
play, like as someone that was such a huge ran up jets at radio,
Like if you play over drive right like or in the right way,
that you can like never touch the ground, like by the end of that
game, I'm wall running, I'm dashing, I'm I'm grinding on these rails
like I would never touch the ground. I'm just traversing miles in my I
was like anyways, running around was fun. So maybe that's my problem with
it. Maybe that game makes me feel like I'm constantly playing it wrong because
I'm not having that much. You just you just get better at that,
Like I feel like everybody goes through that first couple of hours. I feel
like the shooting in that game is not fun, you know, like you're
you're grinding on this rail. It's like, obviously they give you a generous
auto aim because they know you're gonna be moving and they'll let you slow down
a little bit. But at some point that just makes the shooting almost automatic.
And shooting was like my least favorite part of the gameplay, but you
know, it gets the job done. But that's like, you know,
like fighting enemies is a big part of that game. It is you know,
like you know, the traversal stuff is really cool, but the game
they wrapped around it is pretty lame. I if that was a trick based
like Traverse the World game, we would be having a totally different conversation because
that would be badass. But instead they like put all this combat into it
that I think, like, you know, like everyone talks about Insomnia's wacky
weapons, I think this is like some of the weakest ones they've done.
There are some bad weapons in that game, but there are also some really
good ones. Yeah, you know, it's one of those things where it's
go, like, you know, like they should let go of that or
get back to making ratchet games, because I think that's where they that's where
the cool weapons and the universe line up best. For me, it's not
They're never gonna do that again because they don't want to make Sony a bunch
of money. Well, I think part of what what's really exciting about some
other Door Dup for me is that I liked there are parts of that are
like so much that are so obvious, like when they revisit it will hopefully
they revisit it, like I wish. I hope they may get a trick
based game. I hope like they get a lot more in the reversal.
I'm really excited to see what they do with that in the future. Like
that's part of why I like that game so much. It is like,
fu, yeah, they're gonna There's so much great stuff here and I feel
like the stuff that doesn't work is so obviously what doesn't work. I think
it it had. It had probably the best boss fights of the game that
I played this year. They were the boss fights are fun, like that
one one you got to jump on that dragons back at that was kind of
sedious. I thought it was like, I feel like all of them.
You haven't seen the third one yet, have you guess? Or the tower,
there's the roller coaster in the road. It's just awesome. And then
the skyscraper. Yeah, it's great. You fight a robot skyscraper at the
end of that game. But all the boss fights use the game's mechanics in
really creative ways. They know, they never just say, here's a giant
enemy that's a bullet sponge. Is just grind in a circle around it and
shoot it till it dies. Like it's always some interesting Here's a bullhead mask
and you're growing on a roller coaster right to charge it head on right or
from behind, you know, like like they make you like jump over this
roller coaster and then grind the other way so you can ram it from behind.
Just lots of crazy stuff like that, Like the encounters are really neat.
I don't hate it by any means, I just, you know,
something about it. Just I've got a few hang ups with it that I
just can't not get past. But overall, I actually really liked the game
that I wish I liked it more because I feel like there's there's just stuff
to it, but it's just and and and the people that enjoy it seemed
to really really really enjoy it. And I feel bad because it's like I
feel like I should like this more. It's like most people that I talked
to you, I absolutely love it. Why do you like this, Jason?
Yeah, yeah, I do feel bad. Yeah, And that's why
I say it like fun because I think because it's like this weird bat like
the people to say, like, oh man, it's like jet Set like
that. You know, it's totally not jet Set Radio is so fucking good,
And I never I never played those games, so maybe like I don't
have that comparison, so I don't get this bummed out about it. I
do like that different it looks from which every other video game out there.
Then they're like these systems in it that I feel like just fall flap and
then all the points you put into the perk stuff like like okay, take
you know these guys take one percent more damage. You show me like a
perk that gets one percent more damage, and I'm like, fuck it,
I'm gonna take. Why do I go to a menu for this? I
know it builds up if you get more of them, but like there's also
items to collect in that game, like the first time that I had one
of the papers and part one of the balloons, like ye have five hundred
more to go and I was full and signs added up, right, you
don't have to get them all on me and whatever. You know, I
beat the game and I'm actually still going through doing that, just like I
like being in that world and for ursting in and say, well, if
I have some bullshit reason like I'll go for this achievement, sneakers or whatever.
And I think there's a decent amount of pretty good writing, especially in
the second half of the game. Like it starts really poorly. I actually
found that stuff kind of like it didn't It didn't scar me as much as
it did some other people. Yeah, but later some of the later missions
like where you forge that sword or like the focus the Focus Group mission with
Phizziest like like Brainbox, Yeah, and some of that stuff, Like there's
some pretty funny stuff in there, but then there is also a lot of
stuff that's kind of like okay, yeah, trying a little too hard at
the first and the credits and stuff. That's the thing is that it front
loads a lot of that bullshit. Like a lot of the worst attitude in
that game is in the early stuff. That stuff does fall off after a
few hours. I mean, probably my biggest argument for this game in this
category is like, there's enough here that's good and promising that as a debut
like like you said, like it makes you excited to see what they could
do with finish it. And I was like, yeah, give me that
Sea fight. Well, let's let's here for now, because there's probably some
stuff that we can we can cut here and get back to this. Should
the stick of truth be on here? Since we're talking license games that are
also not really tied to any other games. I mean, I guess that
fits. I mean, if Alien and Middle Earth fit, then it's the
same thing. I feel like it still fits the same thing. It does
fit. I don't think I don't think it makes it. I'm fine,
I'm finally not. I just wanted to put it in the conversation. Okay,
oh man, so games of the Year. So I know no one
else is going to want to have this argument with me, and that's fine.
But for me, Shadow of Mordor is more of a best debut game
concept than a best debut game. Okay, I can. I can kind
of get behind that. That is a game that introduces a really amazing system
that is also just kind of a pretty good game that you find I don't
necessarily want to see another one of those games. I want to see that
system in a different game exactly. I want both of those because the characters
and the things that actually take place in that game I could not have story.
Yeah, the story is terrible story and like it's somebody who knows way
too much about that milieu, Like that's the story is terrible. Yeah,
so I'm way into the Nemesis System is something as a debut, but I
am not into Middle or a Shadow of mort or as a debut. I
will disagree with you where you say that, like it's just pretty good minus
the Nemesis system. Like I think the it's tight, but I think like
the all the game played besides the Nemesis stuff, I think is way better
than other games of that type. Like the tight is the right word for
that game. I would say it's up there, but I wouldn't say it's
way better. I think the game player, well, I think the gameplay
is way better than like any Assassin's Creed, which just tried to do the
same kick the shit out of Assassin. I mean in a lot of ways,
yes, sure, every way, like the combat, the traversal,
like just getting around the world and running like the leveling system. Yeah,
you look at all that stuf like weird issues with some of the traversal in
that game. Not the combat. The combat is great. It all felt
right. Some of the traversal got got on my nerves, and you look
at it. I feel like some of the combat got on my nerves because
you know, when you get down to it in open combat, it's just
bad man. But it never feels as tight as Batman. You're right,
it's not as tight. But I'm not tired of that type of common good.
I'm not either. Yeah, I think it has done well. I'm
still cool with it. But this is definitely like it was mostly grabbing things
from other games and doing a good job with them. Yeah, but it
was really it's outside of the Nemesis system. It's an amalgamation of other things.
It definitely stuff definitely exists. But yeah, I mean the Nemesis system,
I think is is like a really fascinating but good for them. Yeah,
like I mean that that's like if I had them, you know,
if we're at a point where we're you know, acknowledging a lot of flaws
and sunset overdrive, but are not quite ready to cut it. I feel
like More Door stays for the same reason. Yeah. And that's my thing
is that it's not that I necessarily wanted off the list. It's that I
just felt like we should have that conversation before just automatically saying it's on there.
Yeah. I mean it's kind of like going into like Call of Duty
and saying like the multiplayer is the same shooting multiplayer but has perks, right,
like you know, the edit a system, but it's still first person
shooter. Yeah. Like, I think More Door that that game deserves to
be on here for taking a chance on a new system, because god damn
it, those games need it. And also, you know, you look
at a game like a Sacret Union. You can make that game a million
times and still fuck it up, apparently, and so just taking stuff from
other games and putting together is not necessarily formula success. We did it,
like, you know, you have to still do it well. Execution means
everything in Mortar, I think executes in a lot of like key areas.
That ending woe I was pissed in that credits rolled. Yeah, let's end
with a quick time event. So Titan Fall, which one you guys like
titan I do like titan Fall. Yeah, you guys had a good time
with I had a good time with titan Fall. I would like to see
a sequels like titan Fall is very much a first generation product. Uh,
titan Fall is a game that needed more equipment, more stuff in it,
you know. It kind of had one weapon of every type nother. DALC
did not add weapons. They added maps period, you know, and it
was one of those things where like you get to a point in the progression
where you're just like, I don't really care about any of the stuff I'm
unlocking anymore because there's not enough of it. You can you can bolt to
the top of that progression, you know, in a day, but you
don't even need to get there, honestly, depending what depends on how you
play. So I feel like, you know, they needed more gear to
make good on that kind of unlock progression that you get out of a Call
of Duty. I think some of the balance changes they made over the course
of the year detracted from my enjoyment in the game. So maybe that is
a game that is a good debut, but it's not one of the best
debuts. Yeah, I mean, I really want to see what they do
next, what they want to do from here. I suspect that given more
time to kind of focus on those sorts of things, once the baseline has
been established, that a sequel to Titan Fall will probably be what you're looking
for out of that sort of stuff. Sure, if you're still looking for
that sort of stuff, you think they do a campaign. I don't think.
I don't think they should, But yes, I don't know. I
don't know if they can get away with it a second time. A man.
I feel like if they if they go without a campaign for a second
time around, they need to put in so much other content. I guess
that's what I mean. That's there's a content hole in that game, you
know, And and I think it's room for a brief single player campaign that
is more tutorial in nature. It does have a tutorial that is it is
effective, But you know that they they kind were they the way they tried
to cram storytelling into the multiplayer I think is is an interesting idea that makes
sense given the type of game they were making, in the team size and
all that sort of stuff. But I wouldn't even mind, like a titan
full spin off single player thing I just I just wanted to play around brother
every every time we played titan Fall, like as a group of the event
stuff. I really enjoyed it. But then it came out and it's like,
oh, that's right, I don't really like playing these things. So
that was the thing I want. I want to play this game a single
player. You know, like a couple of days before Call of Duty came
out, they had their like Horde mode four player co op mode release.
You're like, this, this is like a pillar, you know, if
you look a like like this style of multiplayer shooter. Call of Duty is
a three pillar game. It's got its campaign, which, you know whatever,
a lot of people skip it. I don't think it's necessary. They've
got the competitive multiplayer, and you've got some kind of co op, and
so they added that some kind of co op in a very limited fashion,
very late after the game's release. So you look at that and go like,
well, you know, given more time to flesh that out into something
real instead of something that's just like, you know, kind of thrown in
on the existing multiplayer maps, that could be a lot bigger than it is
right now. There's stuff they could do to expand the competitive multiplayer in a
way that I think, you know, they need to do if they're going
to make another one of these games. And I think if they really went
nuts on those two things, they can get away with without a campaign.
All they really need, all those games really get out of their campaign at
the end of the day, is like a cool trailer or two, sure,
you know, and an excuse to have like some cool explosions and shit.
So if then come up with a way to have that, then the
marketing purpose of having a campaign is solved. I mean, to be fair,
I am not the market for those games, but I am a campaign
person for those Yeah, that's crazy. You shouldn't. You shouldn't buy that
game for sixty dollars. No, you shouldn't buy Call of Duty for sixty
dollars if you're going to play, Absolutely right, I am not. I
am not the market for it. But I still like playing that. But
because part of it is like those games play so well, right, Like
they're they're made for multipayers, typical play exceptionally well, which makes them a
lot of fun to play in these sort of like scripted campaigns. For me,
it's like I want to enjoy that content but I'm never going to be
that. I'm not going to be the hero. Online I'm not gonna be
that good, right, But in the single player campaign I can be that
good because the game is scripted to make you. Yeah, I'm the best
player in the single player campaign, and online I am the worst player and
that's not a feel good experience. Room. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But I still want to be able to like throw grenades with you know,
fucking rockets on them and jump around. But so like I want mine,
Yeah, I just I don't think titan Fall stays on this list.
There are a lot of really good things about it, but I don't think
it makes the cut. All right. But but that said, like if
it's if, we're if it, we're doing a category it's like the one
I want to see a sequel for the most like that's up there because the
foundation is really solid. They just need to finish the game. I don't
take Velvet Signed down off of the year. Yeah. I put that on
more as a joke. Yeah, you know, let's say as a game
that that took us all by surprise and a thing that we would love to
see more from in the future. It's worth acknowledging at least I think in
the best surprise category it had it. Yet, can we take a Monument
Valley off? I don't see that beating won't. I really really like that
game a lot, But that's that's fair something about jazz punk on here,
Like even though I love jazz punk, something about this category is not the
same jazz punk to me. Yeah, I I love the concept of jazz
punk, and I think the execution is a little sketchy and spots like they
are just levels to that game where I just don't like that much, but
like it was so much it's really daring totally. That's part of what's amazing
about It's comedy, right, Like, yeah, games already do comedy pretty
bad, especially if you're going for non It's like I feel like it's alright,
it's games that games at this scope are starting to do comedy a lot
better. Like we're getting to a point where that that crutch doesn't exist anymore.
And you look at stuff like The Stanley Parable and you know these kind
of like smaller games that you know that do comedy, like they do them
really well, Like it's not surprising that jazz punk is funny anything, but
jazz punk is funny in a way that very few games have. You.
Yeah, and that's you know, like but in some ways, like it's
less reliant on timing than something like Stanley Parable and a lot other and I
think that's yeah, like they there, it's a it's full of crazy visual
gags and a lot of weird referential stuff and I like that style. Uh,
and it's fucking nuts. Yeah, but I think it's a little hit
and miss and spots. I I I to me, it's it's just one
of the most spectacularly weird things I have got the opportunity to play in a
long time. And I think, you know, I put it in this
category because I love that they went for it, and you know, as
something that is basically wholly original in a way that very few games tend to
be. So I think it was it was worth at least having conversation about
it, definitely. But yeah, like that said, like, you know,
if we're talking about Sunset and Middle Earth staying on this list, I
don't know what our third is. I think it's Shovel Night. Yeah.
Yeah, really, yes, you talk about game, it's not really to
fall. Let's felt that I wasna. You talk about a game that you
know is trying to be like simultaneously pull together, you know, the nostalgic
aspects of what you liked about old games while also making a incredibly solid,
really fun version of those games. Shovel Night is one of the best examples
of that you'll ever fall. Yeah. I mean Shovel Knight takes from those
original games. Uh, and it knows when to not. Yeah, it
knows when to break from that and the panders and at the same time,
like, I appreciate that, but that didn't stop me from getting pretty bored
with it about halfway through. Once I started, I could not stop.
Like, as someone you know who has no problems saying Mega Man two is
my favorite game of all time, Huh that that game like just hits on
all of those cylinders. Yeah, I mean that's the game that they're trying
to Like, that's basically that is that games will happen. I think even
if you stripped out all of the nyas nostalgia elements of that and you had
the exact same gameplay just with the more modern art style, I think it
just plays so well that it deserves a Yeah, it's so good. I
feel like with Shovel Night, like I got to a point where I was
like, yeah, I get it, Okay, you're making that game great.
No, that's awesome, and never did not feel a pull to keep
playing it. I beat it and immediately want to start playing it again.
Yeah. Yeah, it's for what it's trying to do. It doesn't exceptionally
well and not in a way that's like, oh we just made another one
of those like it. It's its own thing, right, that builds on
what came before it Isn't that also Yacht Club's first game? Yeah it is.
Yeah, so that's like a debut on top of a debut. So
there's something to that. I'm just saying. You know, it's like it's
it's an exceptionally good game and all, and you know, I think I
think it it said it does every single thing it's set out sets out to
do. I understand why you guys like it, but I'm much like Jeff,
I had cut kind of board actually playing the action as some good music.
Yeah, are there three? Or I mean I'm taking off. That's
that's a really cool game. But need to be on here, take Alien
off? I like Alien? What else say for Alien for a big budget
Triple A game, to say no to combat is so incredibly daring and bold
and not they just kind of say like, it's not no, it's more
like nah, it's more like you shouldn't, can't. You can't kill the
creature, you can't shoot your way and some of the ways it tries to
fudge its way around the no combat, Like, doesn't that stuff kind of
drag a little bit. I'm not saying it's it's perfect. It's it's a
deeply flawed game that I think, but it's ambition is just ridiculous for types
of games that we usually like the fact that you would build an alien game
where you cannot shoot the aliens. It's like, I mean, there's someone
finally convinced whoever is writing checks for alien games, to say, like,
let us actually make an alien game like the right of alien game, you
know, and instead of just like, I don't know, you just gun
them down, let's put thousand aliens in its aliens game. Yeah, made
the alien game. I mean, yeah, I haven't seen the movies.
Damn creative assembly, Yeah, creatively the role making a shooter more different styles
of the game. Yeah, the restraint is admirable in the design, you
know, not not letting you kill the alien. I also think it's pretty
respectable that they'd put a female in the or a woman in the in the
lead role there. Well, game is the game is kind of I mean,
that's the franchise. Well, you're right, I mean it kind of
gets a pass because you're right, like, like, you know, that
probably would have drawn more ire if they didn't have the original movie to fall
back on or all the movies, I guess. But for a game with
a budget as big as that one had to do as many risky things as
it is, I think is worth noting. I still feel like, and
maybe there's one in there. I feel like there should have been some easter
egg in there that actually let's you kill the alien and it's just like you
break it like five minutes in or something. Then it's just like phone,
figure, well you shut the gun at it. Oh shit, you found
the gun, or trying to find a pulse rifle in a locker. Yeah,
it's got a nut allergy. Yeah. Well, it's this sort of
spoils part of the game. But you know, the part of the trick
of it is that there are actually tons of aliens in the ship. There's
not just one. Yeah, they just spawned up and down when they need
to write I mean no, but I mean like literally narratively. Yeah,
there's a whole hiven Like, oh well that's I didn't know that. They
just presented in a very one at a time kind of way. Yeah,
okay, I think Valiant Hearts was a very effective game. What did I
think? Like Jeff said about Titan Fall, I would love to see another
game like that, just not a sequel to that game. World War War
two. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Uh but yeah, it's
not a double values any the Fall, man, that's a really cool what
a great first impression. Yeah, like even like from the beginning of that
game, when you just get out of that wake up from that suit,
it's pretty good. And there is another one coming. Yeah. The way
you describe it, it almost sounds like this year is The Swapper. Yeah,
it sounded very much like I love The Swapper, one of my favorite
games. Oh my god, people so good. It's it's not as not
as puzzling, like hardcore puzzle as that, but yeah, man, that
game, that god doesn't make an incredible first impression. I know it really
is is a great debut. So I think we take a lot of browsers
off. Somebody else can delete it if they want, and then, yeah,
I love trowsers. It's really good but aucking awesome game. Just a
great kind of throwback to these kind of short session type stuff and yeah,
just cool as shit. It's a good short timing. It's it's a solid
short timing. Yeah, you know, it's maybe not the best short time
I think. I think it's an overall game, shovel Night makes more of
an impression on me than The Fall does. I think The Fall has some
really amazing components to it, but it is in the it's a fairly simple
game that is good, but it's more the story and the atmosphere of that
thing that really grabbed me. Yeah, I think Chevelight is a little bit
more complete in that regard. I don't know if I agree with you,
but my ears are hearing what you're saying. Sure, this is why I
love working with you. Like this is like our negotiations are only so pleasant,
you know, It's like it's just it's there's never this like animosity and
there is definitely audio coming out of your mouth. Yea statement. Uh Like,
I just I really just think the the universe and the uh like,
turn on the fall and try and stop playing. Is it is? It
really is a testament to it's Debutus should we cut threes? It's gonna make
it? Three is pretty rad? Also three? Yeah, it's like,
yeah, someone made a cool puzzle game for phones and then they actually like
skind it in a way that it's pleasant and cool, Like that's awesome.
I love it. But I feel like there'll be a new Threes next year,
you know, like like or you know, we will have we will
feel the same way we feel about Threes about some other mobile game next Sure,
I don't know. Also, Road it doesn't top Shovel Night, Sunset
and Middle Earth. I don't think as much as I love Threes. All
right, Uh so Sunset is staying on here? I fight for you.
Yeah, Yeah, I really like Sunset Overdrive. I think I like Sunset
better than the Middle of Earth. Honestly, I feel good about the case
you're making about that game like being flawed, but in terms of it being
a debut and and and they're being like a being a good foundation for something
else. Yeah, that's what makes me feel okay about it? All right,
so who are who's in Shovel Night camp later? But I'd say we
drop a fall if that's what you're asking. Yeah, of course you say
that, But I haven't played it. I feel like it sounds cool.
I look how sad he is looking like I've got your back on the I
just I played in love to the other three and I haven't played it.
Shovel Night ain't all that like. I would rather well made thing, But
go try the Fall for the first time than go finish Shovel Night. Wow.
I don't know how to process that context. But all right, I'm
bleeding. If that helps. That's that is a bold statement. Let's just
go play Mega Man two instead. It's better. Check out this picture of
the Fall. Yeah, that looks like the Swapper. Yeah you got this
gun. He's got a gun and he's shine in his light and there's robot
with this glowy face. Make me think of this Swapper and I like not
a lot. Look at this screen shot, like that's lights shining on the
dude. Game looks amazing, looks pretty solid. Yeah, like this one
is just fall. I really like those other three games that I played,
though it wait, do you fall on the Fall? Yes, the Fall
has to be on this list right there, there's a Sunset, Sunset over
Drive, so shadow of board Or is the one that has to go?
Then obviously, uh, you know we can let we can let the Fall
go until more more people have played it. The Fall is awesome, The
Fall is super awesome. It's it's really really good. And maybe you know,
the Fall will have it will not be able to win Best Debut,
but maybe it'll be able to win something next year like twenty fifteens by cutting
the video was right award. Yeah, there are more episodes to come too,
So yeah, I really like those Top three is as our three?
Yeah? And are we giving it to the Nemesis System? I would love
to give that to more door. Yeah. I don't know. I don't
know. As much as I don't particularly love Sunset Overdrive, I think it
had a better overall debut. Well, you know what the things in Sunset
deuce. If we're talking debuts in like new stuff, Sunset has more of
that because Middle Earth, like we've said a million times, it's like,
Okay, this is Batman combat match with assassins, Creed, this and that.
So I mean Sunset Overdrive felt newer. So if that's what debut is
as a category, then I could see the argument for that worse. What's
that it also felt worse? I do think my art is a better game.
Ye feels newer. It's weird. I had more fun playing Shadow of
Mortor. But I could want sun Set Overdrive to win this category because the
things, the things I don't like about Mortar are so off putting that I
kind of resented a little bit. I think, guys, yes, yes,
what about shovel Knight. It's no man's shovel night. It's lucky to
be on this He's winner from this category. He's right. I just know
that's not a fight worth fighting, all right. I think I think Mortar
really Sunset. It's just I don't know. I think it's doing a lot
of things, and I don't think for me, I don't think it did
anything. Really that Mortar overcomes the Lord of the Rings, license overcomes a
lot of stuff overcomes. I don't think it overcomes anything. I think that
Lord of the Rings is an important seminal piece of warner. I'm not I
do wrong by it, Okay, Like profoundly what I'm saying is that it's
easy to look at like oh, it's Lord of the Rings game and go
like, okay, you know what I mean. It transcends the license to
be interesting in its own right. But I also think it overcomes It overcomes
assassin's fatigue, and it overcomes Batman combat fatigue, which we have seen.
It takes a bunch of things that you would kind of be like, Okay,
you're gonna do that again, but the way it puts it all together
is incredibly impendive. Like I'm with Brad, I think I think it in
the spirit of Lord of the Rings, it fails miserably, like in the
kind of like thematic big points of Lord of the Rings. It is over
here on the other side, meaning like, ah, fuck it, I'm
just a superpower. Like it's it's it's basically antithetical to me everything about the
Lord of It's pretty weird that, yeah, but but it's it's a really
fun video game. Yeah, it makes you feel like a bad it's fucking
stupid, but it's really fun and there's there's really amazing things that Mortar does
in terms of its open world, because like just being able to track down
like the foliage and things or like the like the things you have to collect
for like the collector, Like it just highlights that on the screen says,
oh, by the way, like that plant like is near by, because
I don't end up doing that stuff in games, because I'm not going to
chase down a red fucking plant. But the game just says, hey,
you need that red plant, it's right by you, but maybe pick it
up, and and that that stuff ends up making me explore. I did
all of the side stuff in that game. I never do that. Yeah,
I do the story quest and do a couple of the side things and
move on with my life. And now I did everything and every That's the
first game I platinum in years, Like you know, because I'm kind of
passed the trophy and achievement thing that I loved playing that so much. I
wanted any excuse to keep it. It was fun to do also, and
they made it easy to engage with that stuff, like they act like whereas
like Assassin's Creed like it's it's overwhelming and it's it's it's annoying, like Mortor.
It made it fun to find all that stuff. And you're talking about
like the introduction of something that Nemesis system is something they need to put another
game like that. That level of open worldness with replayability is you can just
sit there and find all those dudes and we know, get a borning after
a while. But like when those bosses come out and the other guys are
chanting the guy's name, like that just feels really cool. You're right,
And I think the fact that you would we would look at Mortar and say
something that a system that it has we want to see in a bunch of
other games is like really impressive. Yeah, like it does something so good
that we want it to be stolen and putting like every other open world game.
I mean not every but you know what I mean. Yes, Or
like that concept of like hey, somehow they're tricking me into thinking this world
is consequence. It makes it makes me want to do Mercenaries game because it's
just the Deck of fifty two done right, and it's like a weird it's
a weird, weird way, not a weird it's an interesting way to handle
death right, Like they're saying like, Okay, everything is here until you
die, and then we're going to shuffle the world up a bit, like
because you die, here's your penalty for dying. We don't just pretend that
death doesn't happen. You just pick up where you left off. Yeah.
Like, I think that's a very interesting way to handle a consequence for sucking
up in that game. That's my pick. Yeah, Well like Mortar,
yep, yeah, yeah, I could be okay with that. Yeah,
totally. I think I've been still with any of these three. I'll let
it go. I hate a few things about that game, even though I
gave it five stars. It's really fun. I guess you play The Fall.
I want to. You absolutely should. Yeah, I would like to
play that. I would love for you guys played like this game sucks?
Yeah, actually that game is really terrible. It's overpriced, and you made
up all those plot points and they're actually exist in the game. Yeah.
I actually just keep falling constantly. Okay. It sounds like we have reached
a consensus on all four of our categories for Day three, starting with best
new character ship bought from the dream Fall chapters. Are one hundred percent sure
the ship bots new and not in a previous dream Fall game. I have
played the previous dream Fall games. Shipot is I can't be one right this
very second. Well, let me ask you this, Are you one hundred
percent sure the Iron Bowl has never been referenced in any of the Dragon Age
game No, I guess not. All right, okay, all right?
Yeah? Great? Uh Boil with all the sundown and the Iron Bowl taking
the category. Debate about Boil being new boilers, Oh boil, they are
Goal from Dragon Anchi, Inquisition, Best Early Access, Experienced, Gang Beast,
Script of the Necker an Answer, and Winter Nuclear Throne. Best Console
Exclusives, Console with best exclusives? Does that make more sense? Whatever we
end up calling this category? We you takes it with Railing behind, and
I'm not sure if PlayStation four actually made it on the list. I don't
know. I don't know that we actually cut it, and I think,
oh, you're right, I guess we have all three. We do have
all three, but step it up, first party and best Debut as you
just heard shovel Nights on Sunset over Drive with your Winter Metal Earth Shadow of
Mordor. So yeah, that's uh, I guess that's gonna do it for
day three of categories. How many more days aren't There's two more days?
We're over the hump. That's that's why they call it hump day, you
know, because it's right in the middle. Oh okay, all right,
yeah we should have a talk. That's that's what everybody gross. Everybody's uh,
thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with a whole bunch more Game
of the Year. See then up a little ado I don't I lit a
little little bootle. Have you live