Ep:79 The Oklahoma Hairy Man

I'd like to welcome Steve Edmonds to Bigfoot Crossroads. Uh. I was part
of a podcast that interviewed you years and years and years ago. I don't
know what it's called the podcast. No, podcasts weren't even a thing yet.
I don't know what you would call it. But yeah, but I
mean, we know a lot of the same people. I've been down in
the areas that you've done a lot of stomping around at. But your name
has always come up in conversations as someone who is very knowledgeable about the ongoing
stuff down in that part of I guess you'd call that south central Oklahoma if
you don't mind. Just to get things rolling, just tell a little bit
about yourself, Okay, there's not really much to tell, no, I
just yeah, Well, you know, I grew up down here. It's
I don't know, it's it's considered south central, but it used to be
considered southwestern, because you know, Oklahoma City has grown so big, it's
now we're we're we used to just be called southwestern, but now it seems
like we're getting sucked into the south central. But yeah, I grew up,
I grew up here. I'm a Native American I'm Katta and Western Delaware,
and uh, you know that being in American you know, we've always
had stories and I've always heard stories, and but then I've had I started
having my own experiences that I think I was about eleven, ten or eleven
when I first first saw the big hairy guy. And we call him harry
Man. We call him Harry people are harry Man. That's what the cattle
was referred to him as. And and so I was I was about I
was I think I was ten when I saw him walk across the claring down
there by the tribe. And you know, my dad really didn't talk to
me much about it. But after after I you know, ran down there
and told him what I saw. He said, okay, he said,
just get close to here, you know, don't go too far. And
and then he started telling me some of the stories you know that he heard
and and you know that was passed along and you know, and I always
said to me when I was when I was younger, he would always met
me come in before it got dark, like like he would be getting it's
t be going down. He's like, okay, you know, Steve,
come on in. And I'm like I'm playing. You know, I've got
I was on the basketball court. It's all dirt, you know. I
had my little roads and houses built, and I have my cars and my
hot wheels and stuff. And I'm like, I'm like, really, Dad,
And he goes, yeah, bring your bring your cars and mess up
your roads. And I was like, Dad, He's like, mess up
your roads, bring your cards. So it was like he was like,
you know, let you know, don't leave any signs that the kids are
here. Yeah. And I never I never thought about that until I got
older, and and hearing some of these toys and his other Native Americans saying,
you know, telling their kids come in before dark or don't go out
when it's foggy, and you know, stuff like that. And and my
older brother I was telling him about that. He said, man, he
said, when we were a little. Because I'm quite younger than them,
he said, when we were a little, they left it out till one
two o'clock. To them, I guess they didn't care if anything got us.
I wanted to ask you, in general, how does your tribe view
this thing. Is it like a spiritual being? Is it a physical being?
Is it just another animal out there? Or you know, you said
you call it the hairyman or people, so I guess you guys see it
as a person. Well, it's it's it's funny because I never did pursue
that. I never did go around asking, which I wished I would have
when we had more elders. But I went to a couple of people and
ask them, and they said, you know, some some of the elder
to say, you know, don't talk about it, don't worry about it,
don't bother him, you don't bother you. And then there are some
that were saying, well, you know, he's kind of like a guardian
protector, you know, he watches out. So there's I mean, there's
there's kind of kind of a conflicting stories I get. So I went and
talk to my h you know, there was when when you're little like that
and you go to the dances and stuff, you you developed friends, whether
they're they're from different schools and stuff, different towns, and so he started
hanging around with them and we had a we had a pretty uh uh rag
tag group that you know, we'd always get with and uh, my friend
Leonard, he's a he's in doing the po He's like moved into the Elder
squell on pod meetings and stuff. So I'm talking to him about that.
I said, you know, all the times that you know your dad and
stuff, the pots beings, I said, did they ever talked about He
said, they've never really talked about it. They like, they know he's
there, but they never really talked about him or acknowledge you know that he's
here. And he's were telling me some of his experiences that he had,
you know, growing up, because he grew up you know, over around
Lakiba. It's not very far from where I grew up and uh, and
he was telling me, so it is some of his experiences. We were
talking to you to night and I was like, Lass, and we gotta
sit down and you know, eat dinner or drink cofference something talk because I
said, I'm I'm sure you've got a lot of stories. And he added,
he hasn't heard, you know, some of my stories. So so
we'll get together and yeah, I'm gonna get get some more stories because he
had some good ones. He he, Uh, you know, I talked
to some people that have experiences and you know, it's it's like I think
I think I'm safe to say that there are quite a few people to think
that he may be an interdimension the creature. And I know a lot of
people in the Bigfoot world say, don't be talking about that, that's not
even you know, possible, blah blah blah. But it is possible,
you know. I mean because the way that I was raised, in the
way the Native Americans are raised, you know, there's there's there's different there's
different things out there, and there were some things that were here before we
were even here. So yeah, so I I mean, I can't really
speak for the way the tribe, my tribe looks at it, but the
way I do is I think they that they can be h enginementional and that
they can you know, they disappeared quick and so I don't know. You
know, people talk about cloaking, and there's a lot of New Americans talk
about, you know, how they just disappear right right there. And I
talked to a lot of people that had that experience the fact, not about
five years ago. Because I leave in the morning, I work, and
sometimes I leave my house about three thirty four o'clock in the morning, drive
to telk On the city and one and I always closed my current. My
mom always taught me because my curtains at starts getting dark. That was another
you know, I guess. So we had like little rules that I didn't
understand, but I did. They never told me. They wouldn't tell me,
you know, close your windows at night when it starts getting dark,
because I always if you here's something at the window, don't run the look
out. And I always ask my dad why. He's like something might be
looking back at you, you know, so that you know that that that
was good enough to keep me from peeking out of the windows work yeah,
and so and so, and I usually do. But this one night in
particular, one morning, I was getting my stuff, I was getting ready.
I was coming down the hallway and when he come out of the hallway
there's living room and the kitchen to the right, and there's a kitchen window
over the dining room table, and and I just I mean a lot everything.
It was just weird because the light the curtain was open just enough.
And my cousins lived behind me and they have a two yard lights and I
just happened to just look out the window and I saw two dark silhouettes,
no neck, broad shoulders, and they were kind of walking towards my house.
One was falling in the other. They walked kind of kind of like
in the line, and I stopped and I looked. I was like,
I stepped back, and I was like, I see that. I looked,
and I could see him. So I put my stuff down the chair
and I stepped back because if they would have continued walking, they would have
came across under the yard light and I would have been able to see him.
But I didn't see anything. And I looked, and so I ran
out the front door, which I should have ran out the back door,
but I ran out the front door because I was the closest and went outside
and there was nothing out. The dogs wouldn't barking. It was, I
mean, it was quiet, and so I got my car and I backed
up and I went over to that yard and I hit my brides and got
out and look because you know, I thought, well, maybe they just
went down. Now they were gone and we couldn't find any I think Kirk
came by. We did go and look, because he's happened to be down
that day or that that night. We went found an impression but couldn't make
anything of it. But yeah, that, and that was just so weird.
I mean, it was like I could I mean, I saw them.
So I talked to my cousin the next night and I said, the
evening and I said, where's anybody out? And she's like, no,
we were, you know, we were all in, she said. But
you know, my son and his wife did here voices from behind the house.
She said, they sounded human, they sounded like they were talking English,
but they couldn't make out what they were saying. They said, it's
almost like they were arguing, almost h And they heard that earlier that night.
And she said, but no, nobody was, you know, nobody
was out roaming around. I said, okay, well I saw and it
was two figures. Like I said, I've seen them enough to know what
they looked like. And to me, that's what to two hairy people coming
across, like walking towards my house, like cutting across, because I think
they cut across the yards through here. But they used to, because we
used to get all kinds of activities, activities around here. I always that's
when people asking me, I see I grew up with them in my backyard,
which is true. But here lately it seems like they're the activities really
really been non existent. Huh, what do you think happened that caused that
they just left the area or something? Well, you know, like I
said, I know, I know people people. You know, I just
asked people trying to keep an open mind because I've seen things, you know,
not just the you know, a hairy man and the hairy people.
I've seen you know, paranormal things, things that are just you know,
I've seen a dear change into an hour like that. Whoa. Yeah,
So I think that there's something else coming in on their property. You know,
it's territorial thing. I heard at once to explain to me that,
yeah, that they have their territories, but there are also things, other
things out there that you know, push onto the territory. And so I've
heard some weird Kyle vocalizations that I've never heard before, and I recorded one.
Well it's been about a year and a half ago. And sometimes whenever
it would vocalize, the cutouts would be quiet and sometimes they start up.
But this night it was that there was nothing going on and it made its
vocalization and it was you know, outside of my house, and I could
hear it, like walking away but it was still doing its vocalization, so
I don't know. And then maybe it's just the heat. I think they
you know, they move. I think you know there are there, you
know, they eat what they can and what they can find, and I
think that might be part of it too, But I really don't know.
But that's why I was talking to some people down here at the kind we
had a meeting culture culture meet. We did get together and we'll meet saying,
practice our songs and you know, stories and stuff, and so we
sung until eleven already and we moved outside and there's the four of us.
After talking, we talked till two thirty, and so the security guard came
out and she I know her, and so we were talking. So I
was asking her, have you heard any things? So it's not a while
and she said, I hear her cry outs, which I haven't either,
and uh, And I said, well, what do you what do you
think? I mean, have you ever heard of your that? When's the
last time you heard something? It's been over a year, and assad,
well, I don't know that kind of kind of missile. But at the
same time, we're like, well, what was that? You know,
tell me about that? First sighting that you had whenever you were a kid,
Like what exactly happened? Okay, Well, where I lived, the
the tribal headquarters or whatever is the ways from my house. And so my
mom and my dad and I had an aunt and uncle that were down there
in the community house. They were cutting meat. I guess we're gonna have
a dinner. I don't remember. I was like I once say that I
was ten. And so they they had a well called man uncle. They're
a distant aunt uncle. They want my like real aunt uncle. But you
know, we called him an uncle. And so they had a son.
His name was Junior. We call him Jews. And so him and I
were walking around, you know it is you know, eighties, and he
had a little boom box. And so we're just walking around the dance arena,
and you know, I was walking around just you know, I besting
around because you know, parents were down there cutting meat. So we were
walking and I got to the top of the hill and he said, ah,
he said, I got us there rested, and there was an old
out house just you know, little ways off. It didn't work, but
he says, green box down went went behind the out house to relieve himself.
And so I'm sitting there, you know, kicking the rocks because it
was all graveled and the roads are gravel and I was kicking. I was
looking down and I was happening. Looked up and looked to my east,
and there was a hill and there was a little bit of a clearing,
probably about a ten foot clearing, and I saw him. He's walked across
that clearing. He took that clearing and just as pretty much like one step,
probably about seven foot tall, black shiny here. Because the sun was
going down in the west, I was looking east, so you know,
the sun was kind of low, and so that I mean, I could
just see his here shining. It was just black shiny here. He didn't
look at me, he didn't turn around. He just you know, walked
across the walked across that clearing, and and I was like, Jude,
I'm getting out of here, and I took off running. I didn't even
wait for him. He came running back here and got just be boxed and
I see, wait, wait, what's going on? Wait where you going?
And I'm I'm gone, dude, I'm just I'm forced gumping hill.
Yeah, And I get down the community house, and I mean I even
slowed down hit that. I just hit the house boom and went rolling in
there. And my dad like, what's wrong, And I said, I
just saw this big hairy thing like big foot up up there on the hill.
And he's kind of looked at me and looked at looked at Uncle Mel
and he says, well, just stay around here and then don't go too
far. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, after seeing
that, I didn't go anywhere. I stayed you know, in the house.
And then all the way home, you know, after he got home,
which is not very far, he started telling me some stories and stuff
and you know, well what you probably saw was this, and you know,
don't be scared of them. You know they're not gonna hurt you.
You know, just just you know, kind of mind your own business and
don't mind their own business, and you know, just trying to calm me
down, because you know, that was that was something else, you know,
to see that at ten, ten years old. And yeah, so
that then after that, I mean, but before that, I should say,
I was telling you I remember some things that I you know, so
forgot. But about a couple of years before that, like we'd have the
dances down there and on the tree line on the road going into the to
the to the property. It was you know, a wooden line, and
we would go down there and we would like just we'd like pick something up
and throw it into the trees and they and then something would come out of
the trees, like we dot a rock and the rock would come out back
out. And if we pick something up, you know, throw it in
there, then it would come back out. And then we then like like
ten feet from the tree line, this tree just started shinking real hard,
you know, oh cool, And then we throw something at it and then
something would throw it back. And we did that, I mean like every
other every dance we went, every dance that we had, we do that.
We go And finally my dad found out. He's like, I can't
up here and quit best with those and that's what he said, just don't
be doing that. He said, just leave it along. And I was
like, okay. So that was that was before I you know, I've
got a couple of years before I actually physically saw them. But yeah,
we throw we throw things in the tree line and throw things back, and
then it would just start like We had that one time where we had like
three trees just violently shaking, all at the same time. But they were
they were they spread out about you know, thirty thirty twenty yards thirty yards
apart, but they were close enough to where we could see them, but
we couldn't see what we was shaking them. Yeah, and then you know,
they say, don't whistle at night, don't whistle whiter walking out of
the woods, and uh, and we'd be down there, we'd whistle,
and they whistle back, and we whistle. It was almost like signmon because
we're like, you know, we like change our whistle and it would change
this whistle. It was. It was just you know, walking what we
were doing. So I don't know if they were juveniles. I don't know
if they're older, but they I mean they I guess they like the attention.
I want to say that they were, you know, juveniles because you
know, we're playing is what we're doing. Yeah, I mean a lot
of the stories that I heard from down there were kind of centered around kids
too. Yeah. From from what I can, what I've observed or what
I you know, is that yeah, if you want to, uh,
kind of draw them out or they're curious that you know, you can you
can you know, have kid voices because they they like to, I guess,
check out what the kids are doing. I think they're playful, is
what it is. I mean, that's just me. I mean, you
hear some of the tribes out out west or northwest that you know what they
grab kids or you know they you know, they they're grab and see around
here, we'll see. What I was told was when you know we are
our original lands are around the corners of Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and
Louisiana. That's where we that's that's our homelands. And from what I what
my dad told me was what elders told them was that they followed us as
we migrated. You know, we're migrated. We hadn't move out, migrated
Texas then up to Oklahoma. And I always so that they followed us up
from Louisiana really so that they've kind of always been with the tribe. That's
what I'm saying. So some people say, you know that they they were
kind of like guardians a little bit that they watch watched out for us,
and uh and then yeah, but that's I mean, that's kind of what
I believe. I think I think, yeah, they probably did keep up
with us, and that you know that the ones that are around, you
know, here in my backyard and around the tribe are probably the same from
the same I guess you could say tribe, the same family, the same
tribe, because I think that that's what they do, is that they you
know, they occupied an area and this is you know, like when you
go camp and you know, you all, this is our area, we're
gonna put up our tent. You know, this is where we're gonna be.
And yeah, I kind of kind of think that's that's kind of what
they do too. They have their own territories. They moved from place to
place, and I think that's you know, that's what they kind of do.
They kind of might, you know, move and but they always come
back. What can you tell me about Purgatory? What do you want to
know? Well, I've been down there once or twice and at daytime it's
an amazing place. It's a pretty unique place, the drive in there and
everything. But at nighttime it was one of the scariest places I've ever been.
And nothing happened. Nothing happened. I don't remember anything happening I think
we might have heard a distance vote, you know, a distant vocalization.
But I mean, I've heard horror stories about the place. Yeah, well
with that place, I think it's a little bit of a bicture of everything.
It's a little bit of paranormal, and I think it's a little bit
squatchy. I think it just kind of depends on you know, sometimes we
affect the area we're in. Whatever we bring sometimes triggers whatever is there,
and so you know, nothing happened, So that might be a good thing,
but I think it's just kind of a mixture of of things that could
happen there. You could see, you know, something not human and then
you could see you know, Harryman or you know, or something just quite
questionable. There's a there's a place like that that I know that I used
to go visit. In fact, my buddy and I were talking about the
same place because that's where his experience has happened and I had some really uh
with experiences out there, and it's it's kind of like that too. It's
it's uh, you know, trees are overgrown and you go when you sit
and you you hear movement and you might even see a dark a big,
huge dark silhouette, and then then you might see a fog little space,
a little place of fog that's moving along the road, and then all of
a sudden, something comes out of it that kind of looks like it's trying
to stand up. You know, it's it's it's kind of weird because you
know that, you know, I'm stick I mean, I didn't stick around
to see what what what it formed into that, you know, And after
I experienced that, I thought maybe I shouldn't be out here so much.
Because we used to go out there. We used to, I mean we
were goofy. We take a bandload of people and we go out there and
sit and you know, part be throwing pop cans things at the band,
and you know we're and you could hear them moving and and everybody gettings here
and stuff, and you know, he just then he takes off. And
we did this rout before that whatever that, whatever that fog was, We
did that before we got to town and where everybody's getting out of the vand
and stuff, and it's look, there's this big handprint on the side out
there. It started right behind the passage to go and went all the way
down to it, like it just reached out and just let you know,
as a band went by, just you know, and it was it was
a big hit print Wow. I mean yeah, I've heard stories basically groups
of people going to some spot or somebody's house, even in the backyard and
just setting up the lawn chairs and sitting around and talking and just basically waiting
for these things to get there and entertain them for the night, you know,
until everybody got too scared to stay and then all you know, haull
butt out of there. Yeah, or the you ran out of wooden the
fire guys. Yeah, I don't want to be the guy that has to
go get the new firewood either. Yeah. Oh that's that's always fun.
That's always fun. When you send the new the new people out there,
they get, yeah, get some more wood. But yeah, let's go
out there. We're watching you. So have you have you heard any stories
about them like coming out to like the pow wows, to the drums,
or coming out to the powers after everybody leaves and everybody's kind of picking up
and heading home. Oh, I'm yeah, I mean that's there's there's a
lot, I mean, just about any any tribe that any tribal people that
you talked to, you will always have stories like that. I think they're
real curious and back just with you know, just with my tribe. You
know, we have we used to have a lot of dances a lot of
times and uh, you know we have we have dinners on Saturdays and you
know, feed the whole tribe. And and so you know, there were
people that would talk about, you know, after they after whoever has the
dance or whoever was in charge of clean up, will clean up bag all
the trash and then coming in the next day or come in that Monday,
and those tracks, those back, those bags of trash are dragged across the
road into the tree lines and gone through. You know, I had an
uncle just recently passed away, and I was ran into him down here at
the travel store and he's like I was talking to him and I asked him,
you know how things going over there, because he lives he lives about
five or six miles away from where I live. And you know it's he
lives in a kind of a wooded area. We said, how else down
below his where he lived, it was his parents' house, and it's like
Steve, I've got so much activa out there. He said, you need
to come out there, and I said, okay. I said, let's
let me know when it goes well, he goes, just whenever you want
to, you let me know when you're coming out and get this phone number.
And so I told carry us, I said, we come down,
let's go out there. And so we did. I don't know if he
told you about it, but we got out there and just you know,
started doing the initial interview. You know, what's still daylight. It was
probably you know, five o'clock in the summer in the evening, you know,
and we started hearing tree knocks back then and there, and so he
was selling some of the stories. He's like, like, I said,
native native guy. He said, yeah. I was sitting there watching TV.
He said, start getting dark, he said. So I got up
and closed my closed the curtains to my living room window. He said,
just as I went sit down, he said to do it. Running by
the window. He's like, it was waiting for me to close. It
hurt. And then he said, you know, he's old military guy,
and he would roll his hose up, you know, perfectly in front of
the house. You'd go to town, come back and the holes of something
would grab the hose and stretched across the yard, so you'd have to roll
it back up again. And but what was really amazing was he had a
he had two horses, and he had that spent the south side of the
yard fenced off. And but he had those grand those middle I don't know,
they weren't loom I want to say they were middle the metal correl.
You know how he could just get the you know, the corral and he
could just put him in the ground and make it a little crowd. Yeah,
like the panels. The panels, thank you. And so he had
those. But one was laying down. He said, come here, he
said, look at this. He said whatever. He said, Well,
we know what it is, he said, but I'm just gonna say whatever
it was. Pulled it out of the ground. It was very fourth feet
deep in the ground. Pulled it straight out of the ground. And then
on the pole where the on the pole where the pole with us, sorry,
where the pole, where the the hinges where you put the fence on.
You know. There they got the little metal pigs that come up and
out. Yeah, And so he he showed us and whatever. It grabbed
that metal peg, a little bitty metal peck and just been it straight down.
Kurt's got pictures of it. Wow. So pulled it out of the
ground. The benthos like, you're not gonna use us, you know,
And so, yeah, we had a lot of movements that night. We
never didn't see anything, but we heard a lot, and he wanted us
to come back out again, but unfortunately he passed away. So and they
when pulled up. I looked at some nice rocks on your riff, he
goes, He goes, you know what that's from? I said, Do
they really throw on He goes, yeah, he goes, I could be
at the kitchen cooked and I hear that rock. He had rocks on his
roof where they were just throwing rocks on his riff. Huh. Do you
hear stories of like violent encounters, you know, that's what that's what that's
funny. They asked me that the other night when we were out there talking
stories, you know, and that's what they said. They aren't they violent,
you know? I said, I'm not. Now with the tribe and
around here, I've not heard of the violence stories. I've only heard,
you know, they're curious the you know, they might, you know,
you might. I had an answer that where you know, doing dishes,
look out the window and there's one standing off about ten feet off the window,
looking you know, in the window, and I'm like, you know,
we're done. You know. But I've I've not ever heard of any
attack, and now I've heard stories like the only the only really violent story
I heard, and it was not really violent. It was kind of weird
the little town south of me. In fact, I got a friend that
I've uh been talking to. He's, you know, he's he's he's a
poet and he's a published Arthur and I just mentioned it to him and he's
like, oh yeah, he goes. They called my dad when that happened.
What happened was there was an Indian home with the Indian people living just
right before you get into the town. It's right off the road. And
I guess so like the juvenile came up and grabbed one of the kids and
just started dragging him by his leg up the hill and they took off chasing
him, and one of the one of the uncles, had all they had
was a two by four and hit across the back. He said and let
it, let the child go, and he grabbed him and they ran back
down the hill and they called his dad to you know, bring a shotgun
out there into the house because they didn't have any weapons. That had to
be what early nineties, And that's that's that's the only the only story I
heard of anything like grabbing or you know having to use Yeah. And but
around here, I mean, like I said, I haven't you know,
I've had a cousin that lived if you go share from my house about what
two two and a half three miles from my house, And while the uncle
and the cousin lived in the back and they can't they didn't, I mean,
I don't know, I want, I don't want to say they harassed
them, but they always let them know that they were there. And he
was always chasing them, you know, hey, get out of here,
and uh go out, you know, fire his gun in the year and
he said, but they'd always be standing off in the wood line, or
they'd just be outside of the the security light, yard light. You know,
but they and a lot of people see them down there. But I've
never heard of, you know, any attacks or anything like that. Now.
But her dogs doesn't hear, yeah, you know, that's that's kind
of a different thing. In fact, my cousin back here, she said
that she had a pit and and a little un if it was a whinny
dog. There's a small dog and she said, I let him out to
go the bathroom and they go out, and she said it they'd always be
looking on the east side, which where our houses are. There's a field
and there's a fence on top of the hill. I got I gotta tell
you the story about that. But it seemed like that they always came.
They would always just come to that fence on top of the hill. They
hardly ever came over that fence. If if you saw him or herd them,
you you went on the side of the fence. But anyway, she
said, then they bark that way. And she said, so one night,
she said, that little dog just took off into that because there was
a fence and there's there's a there's weeds right there, big tall weeds,
and she said it just went whoop into the weeds. And then she said
heard she I was here. It was a yelt and said that pit took
off and he ran and she ran into the woods. I mean into jumped
over those weeds, and then she and you heard her kind of making noise,
and she come jumping out and there she had a big scratch on her
back and she ran straight into the house. And they said for two weeks
she would not come out, huh. And then when she did coming out,
she would come out, but she wouldn't get very far from the house,
and then she would kind of look to exact direction and kind of whine
a little bit, and then she'd go back into the house. They said
it took a couple of months before she would go back out into the yard,
you know, just be out of the yard. But like I said,
I mean, I'm other than that with people. I'm not hurt any
kind of violent. I mean, I don't know anything for a fact,
but it you know, a lot of the stuff that you hear sounds like
they do things to see what our reaction is going to be. Yeah,
And like if they smack the house and you come running out looking, then
they're going to keep smacking the house. You can almost guarantee it. Or
they may just be saying, you know, well let's see if anybody's here,
or let's see your let's let them know, boom, I'm here,
I'm back. We're back. You know, I don't know it. Yeah,
I don't know what the because one night, it's probably been about a
year or so, I was getting ready to go to bed. It was
about eleven o'clock. I was in my bedroom and I shut everything down.
I went to my bedroom and I was just getting in the bed and on
the very top of the window, not not not on the window, but
the very top of the window was like three knocks. And I was like,
and I set up, and I was like, huh. So I
got you know, I got dressed, and I text my daughter because she
was living in normous time, I said, and hey, bag, I
said, something just knocked on my window, on the top of my window,
you know, three knocks or so I'm gonna go check it out.
And then she called me. She was, uh, well call me as
soon as you get done. I said, okay, And so I got
off flashlight, went out, looked around. No infusions. I can't find
anything. I didn't even hear, you know, my cousin's dog's bark him.
But yeah, I went out, looked around and came back in and
we called her and said, you know, nothing. She was all right,
Dad, we'll be careful and if you need anything, let me know.
And I said, you got all your doors and windows walk right,
said yes. She says, okay, so we'll call me in the morning.
I said, okay. So I went to sleep. I went you
know when they went to sleep, and that and nothing. Nothing I did
about a year ago. I didn't get up in the middle of night go
to the bathroom. I leave my bathroom light on and uh. And so
I was doing my business and I heard like a scratch on the screen and
I didn't think anything about it. It was three o'clock in the morning,
and it's like like you know, like a like a nail across the screen.
And I didn't and I was saying, I was still kind of have
sleet, and I was thinking, I wonder if I wonder if that was
a branch or you know, a weed. So I went late that down
and I got next morning, which is a Saturday morning, and I thought
about it. I went outside and looking and it was nothing near that window.
So but that was I haven't really heard anything other than that. But
yeah, I could be a reaction. It could just be you know,
hey, we're back or you know, we're we're here and we're letting you
know. Do you think they recognize people? I do, I really do.
I think they get accustomed to people now, I know. You know,
have you heard of mine speak? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I
never gave it a thought, you know. But and that's why I seeing
those guys down here, I said, But the interesting thing happened. Okay,
So we have an annual dance from my grandmother. And so one year,
this has been probably about fifteen years ago. I went down to the
dance and I saw my cousin and and he had he had his new girlfriend
with him, and she was not native, she's non native, and she
and I started talking to him. And she looked at my cousin and she
goes, is this him? And I goes, oh, yeah, this
is this is this is Steve. And she goes, Hi Steve, and
she gotta shook my hand, and I was like, hi, you know,
like, do I know you? She was, oh, I'm sorry,
says no. And so my cousins started telling me. So they came
out to you know, work on the ground, and she started getting this
communication and he induced himself. I don't if he even remembers the name every
time I see him. I got to ask him the name I gotta write
down, but he gave him. He gave his name, said he was
older Bigfoot, his mate had died and he didn't think he had very much
longer, you know, to be here, and started telling her about different
people and different things at the tribe. She's never been here before, she's
never even met any of us before. But this I was telling her,
you know what, so and so is this so and sew does this?
You know the My uncle used to have an AA meeting and after he got
through, he take the food and put it on a plate and he would
said it you know, by the road. But then he would sit there
and you know, sing some songs. It just kind of or you know
whatever, and then he got up to leave. When he got up to
leave, he said they'd go get the food and you know, talked about
different and then talked about me, you know, being around the tribe and
not being scared that you know, I walked at night, you know,
through the through the on the road and described me to a team didn't know
my name, but described me. Wow, and yeah and so I never
and so yeah, it kind of freaked me out because I was like,
and sup, and I talked to my cousin last year, so I never
did ask about it about it, and I said, you ever keep up,
you know, ever keep on touch with it. She goes, she
goes, no, but you know that he followed us to Washington State.
I said, what do you meet? Just well, he said, we
moved after that, he said, I moved with her. Her family was
from Washington State. He said, I moved up there, and he followed
us up there and was telling about he told her about my first kiss,
you know, he said, behind grandma's house, by those orchards. Said
he was by those orchards, and he said, and he told he told
her that he kissed a little white girl and everything. And he's like,
nobody knew about that. You know that your grandma new about that. And
after what he did, he must have been watching another he told off on
you. And so yeah, he said, he said that he went up
to watching the state and it was he was mind speaking with her. I
guess, you know, I don't know, you know, people might call
her crazy, but it was just so where that she's not ever been around
here, and I ever talked to anybody, and it was our first time
beating down there, and and why would why would she say it was a
big foot doing it? You know, like if you're gonna make up a
story and you yeah, like, why would you say a bigfoot told me
this? Yeah? I mean he didn't say he was a big foot.
He said he was you know, a Harry what they call a Harry person,
Yeah, Harry man. I mean, have you heard of anybody else
doing that besides her? Nope, I'm not. I'm not ever. You
know, I know one I know one instance that they were down there at
the complex and they pulled in and there was a little one underneath. He
was trying to hide underneath the vehicle and covered his eyes and then the I
can't remember who it was. It was the baby was the baby, but
was talk was she was young, probably about five or six, and start
crying. She goes, it's it's saying that we gotta get out of here
and we're gonna get hurt. And so I freaked their parents out, so
they left. But other than that, I'm not ever, you know I
heard anybody communicated with him like that. I'm I've seen documentaries and shows and
stuff, right, but I'm not ever nobody personally. No, that was
and that was that was wild because I mean, like I said, I
didn't. I mean, I had no idea. She's like, it's this
human He's like, oh yeah, this is Steve and she's I was like,
Okay, what's going on talking about He's talking about me here? What
do you think's going on at Booger Bottoms? H Kurt told me that you
guys have gone down there several times. Well, I think it's become more
of a paranormal spot than it has ye know, the Bigfoot spot, because
you know, first couple times went down there, we could hear something physically
moving and you know, you can see where they impressions and stuff. But
but what's so weird is that the Game of Wildlives has put signs down there
and built a fence. You tay that, Yes, yes, we would
go down there because you could go down there and park. You remember how
I said you go in yeah, in park and it was a fence.
But yeah, they it seems like they the Game Wildlife has kind of started
putting signs and fences up along that part of the lake. And so yeah,
so we really couldn't get close. But the last couple of times we
went, we had we had it was really weird because I had a weird
feeling. That's why I told Kurt. I said, something's not right here,
I said, I don't do you. Are they around you? I
said, something's around you know, I said. And then when we're standing
there behind his truck, I know, I'm in corner of my eye,
I saw like a guy with the cowboy hat standing behind there, just kind
of facing us. And I turned like that real quick because I thought it
was Kurt coming up and that's why. And he was on the front of
the truck, you know, So I went, I thought maybe he came
around, and uh, I won't know what Kurt would look like in a
cowboy hat, but anyway, probably like a Texas Ranger, I would think,
so, all right, And so that's why I told him. I
said, I just saw someone standing back. Every body the truck, but
but we're in a cowboy hat. And so that's when he started telling me
about that e VP, that Dan or somebody died. Yea, yeah,
and I was like really, he said yeah, he said so, and
I said, well, I said, I'm not feeling comfortable. He goes,
you know, someone's not right here. I said, I know,
it's just really weird. And I said, I'm ready to leave when you
are. And usually that's not that's not that's because he said, I don't
know if he told you. He's like, that's not Steve. You know,
he has sn't get freaked out about anything. And I was, I
was, it was. It was not a I can't explain. It was
just like a weird feeling. And so I was like, I'm ready when
you are. He goes, well, he goes, let's go, and
so we took off and as we were driving, we could see lights and
it looked like it was coming from the ground up. But they would they
remove it. I mean, you know, I thought, you know,
maybe an old old rig. Uh, they're fixing a bit of ore.
Again. They got the lights out there. But it was weird because as
we would drive, it was like they were moving, you know, like
they like they were there. And so we came through Binger and uh,
the store closes at eleven, and it was nine o'clock. Because I remember
saying, he goes, you need to stop, get something drink and go
to the bathroom. I said, I'm good, and I said, yeah,
I said, because it closes that. You know. I looked at
my watch, it was like nine, you know. So we came on
back and then we went north, you know, on the road out here
by by the ass and those lights and and I know how to scribe him
now, like Skinning Walker Ranch, when he see those lights coming out from
the from the basin, that's what they look like. They looked like they
were coming from the heels over here. And so we drove and we went
down that road and I said, they're still there. And so we got
to get in where we had to back up, and so we backed up,
and then we went to the next smile section and pulled over, and
he said, you want to get out. He goes, I'm wanting to
look these you know, look at these things steven oculars and stuff. And
we're like, okay. So we saw these lights and then all of a
sudden we saw like three three military planes, I think there are three.
They started flying towards They're coming from the west and they're coming towards us.
And as they went over. Once they went over, everything was gone,
the lights, everything, and then and so we got back in the truck.
We started talking. We started driving and I'm like, man, I
am tired. He goes me too. He goes, I, I'm kind
of warre out and I said me too, and start pulled down here by
my house and we're gonna sit there. And I was like, I'm try
look at my watch and I said what time? What time do you have?
And he's like, it's going on one o'clock and I said it was
just nine o'clock, not too long ago, and yes, And so we
started going back talking and we can't there's an hour that we can't we don't
remember. I mean, we can't account for it because we did this.
We stopped here, we're here, this took you know this low. We
stopped here, we got out here, those jets flew over and then we
came back and went and sat at that one spot. And he started getting
tired. And I told him. I said to me, like two two
to three days to fully get back my energy. And then he said the
same thing I said, because I just want to come home and sleep.
Where would you guess the lights were exactly well, like I said, we
you were at Fort Cobb. So the lights looked like they were they were
on this side of Beinger, between Fort Cobb and Binger, But as we
kept going, like I said, the lights would stay almost in the same
spot. So when we got two Beinger, we started coming out towards my
house. Look like there's there's some bluffs, there's some cliffs off to the
north. That's why I went that way because it looked like they were coming
from out from those bluffs and they were coming out. That's that's what I
said. That was what's so weird about it. It's like they stayed with
us until you know, we got to Beinger. Then it looks like they
were coming out of the bluffs and I mean, there's just nothing out there.
No, No, there's yeah there there's maybe there's a church built on
that road now, but at the time it wasn't built yet, and yeah,
and it's there's nothing there. And so that's what I said that,
you know, when it's really weird when he saw those yes, because he's
got that plane finder, which I got it now, and he's like,
these these jets aren't registring. They're not you know, and they we saw
him coming as they flew over. We watched him go over and we started
talking that's when I know it's the lights are gone. And then that's what
I was like, Well, let's let's get out of here, you know,
because you know we're in come sit at a spot where just a little
ways office I had. I had a lot of experiences over there, and
that's why we came to that spot. And then I was like, man,
I'm tired, he goes. I am to think about calling the night.
I said, we're getting old. It's early. But then when I
said, we looked at I watched it. It was like going it was
almost one, and I was like, wait a minute. And we started,
you know, accounting for our hours, and there's one hour that okay,
but from from ten till from eleven to you know midnight. Well,
you know we we well we were doing this right, I don't know what
we were you know, so we're like, it winted this out. Yeah,
it was. Yeah. You know. There was one time where we
were done at the bottoms and there was a pretty good group of us there,
several vehicles. I was walking down the vehicles, you know, that
were parked there along the tree line away from the bridge, and one of
the people that was with her, her name was Crystal, and she had
a big suburban and she had a kid with her at the time. Her
youngest was with her, and he was probably six or seven years old at
the time. And I walked by her vehicle and her windows were halfway down,
and I saw her kid laying in the back seat. I could see,
you know, somebody laying in the back seat. It's pitch black dark,
and that's what it was because I heard those step why, it sounded
like footsteps. And I had walked back there and I saw the kid laying
in the back seat and I heard the growl, and I got nervous because,
like, here's this kid conked out in this suburban with the windows down
and I'm hearing footstep up and growls over here. Yeah. So I went
back to the rest of the group at the bridge and I said, Crystal,
you might want to go get your kid. Like I'm hearing some sounds
from over there, and I think I heard a growl, and she goes,
what do you mean, I said, your kid in the back of
the suburban. I heard something by it, and she said, well,
he's right here, he's over there by so and so. And I look
over and there's the kid standing on the bridge with somebody, and I was
like, well, who's laying down in your back seat? And she's like
nobody. So we walked over there with flashlights. Nobody's in there, but
I swear there was somebody laying in that back seat whenever I walked by there.
Wow. Well, I mean i'd never heard you know, everything was
always attributed to Bigfoot down there. Yeah, so the idea that maybe there
was paranormal stuff going on there too kind of makes a lot of sense for
some of the stuff that was happening down there. Yeah, And I think
for some reason, it's getting more it's more evident, more more there because,
like I said, you know, the last time we went, we
didn't get anything. That's why I found them. I'm like, I'm getting
comfortable again. Yeah, me too, Let's go. And so we're really
Since then, we've I think we've only been back there once. And it's
I got talked about seditious. It's just not. The feeling is not.
It's not a good feeling. It's not. It's like we're not supposed to
be here, or something doesn't want us here and it wants to make it
a point to show us that it doesn't want us. So do you hear
stories of people seeing things that aren't big foot? Oh? Yeah, oh
yeah, I've got I've heard stories of you know, people seeing by foot
look like a praying man. It's walking on his high legs. You know.
Uh, there's actually a real like a skinny like you know, a
real skin almost like what do you call him? A slender man kind of
uh? Beyah. My cousin, his son saw it crossing the highway down
here below my house. He said it was skinny. It was real skinny.
Yeah. And like I said, when my well, we're coming back
from My mom moved in Darko, and so I went down to see her.
And I was married at the time, and I had we had hers
minding ours, and so the kids were sleeping the back because it was like
about eleven o'clock. Were coming back and got outside of Grace Mott and and
so we're just talking. The kids are asleep, and we're at the suv
and we come up on that hill and I see it. My parent peal,
I'll see a deer. It's coming out of the tree line, jumps
the fence and hits the bar ditch and then he comes up and he's gonna
he's coming right out in front of me, and and so I'm not gonna
swerve try to miss him. I'm just gonna hit him because I got kids
in the back. And so I just kind of gripped the stern wheel and
my now ex wife at the time grabbed the old crap handle and the dash
because you know, she was bracing so she saw it too. Yeah,
oh yeah, and so and so just as we got on the hill,
all of a sudden there's an owl and he's slapping his wings trying to get
out of our way, and he get you know, he goes up just
as we go by. And and so as we go down the hill and
then we come up the next hill, we're both quiet, and so we
started going off the next hill and I let kid, I said, what
did gc? She steep back to where it was a dear. So I
was getting ready for the impact. It was a dear and I said,
oh, it was an owl, And she goes, is that a I
said, yep. I said, I had to be a shape, sister,
I shaped hill because that gear we were gonna we were gonna plan it
because like I said, I saw it come out because that night I saw
it come out over the fence into the bar, gets up on the highway
and just as it was coming into our path. It's an hour, it's
flapping this way and he's he's flapping to get out of our way. We're
just like, because you know, I didn't slow down, I didn't hit
my brakes. I was just breaking brakes and for impact, because I wanted
to take a chance on you know, flipping the vehicle with the kids and
you know, sleeping stuff. I don't know if the listeners are aware or
not, but hitting a deer is a pretty big impact. Yeah. I
mean, even if its the dough, it's still yeah. Yeah, and
it's just yeah, it was just and she and she was Steve's because where
it was deer said okay, so make sure we were on the same page
that the kids didn't see it. They were asleep, which was you know,
it was black as that posits an hour, but so yeah, I've
seen yeah that. And I was telling about the about the stories about the
community house being haunted. I said, I went when I was law enforcement
down there, and the window was opened and and you got to go in
and walk the whole length of the building just to get to old bill and
built in the thirties. And uh. And I went back then and shut
the window. I came back and checked that middle door, and then that
from behind me, it was a deep voice. I said, what are
you doing here? I was like what. I turned around, looked around.
Okay, I's walked on out. I got my jeep and lifts.
Yeah, that wasn't in the police handbook. Yeah, but I mean then
that one night I was getting ready that I was logging out and our office
is way in the back and something kicked the front door. The doors are
locked, they're double doors, glass doors, and something just I mean it,
something like he just kicked the doors. Boom boom, boom. And
so I jumped up and running down the hallway and went out, looked around.
Nothing had my flashlight. I mean, there's no place. Came back
at high because it's parking are parking lot, you know, and nothing.
And so but before that, before I started working there, i'd go back
there and this lady named Ruby, that was her office and I was talking
to her. Well maybe I was. I was security before I came off
it because they're trying to get all everything together because they just fired their other
officers and they were still trying to get everything together, and so they said,
you know, just pulled security for now. And so I went in
and talked to her, and we'll be talking and you'd see something go by
the window. They were a little bitty windows, probably about six by well
they were long, I'll you know, long windows, but they were you
know, six inches wide, but they were you know, just the length
of the room and from the ceilings floor. And I saw something the bias
somebody outside. Steve, I see it all the time. You go look,
there's nobody will be there. He said. It goes by window all
the time. So I'll say, okay, well, if you're okay with
it. You know, did you court tell you about the outside of grace
Mont like about a year ago, like a m I have been last summer
about that. We went by over by Sugar Creek and there's a there's a
river bid, there's a drive river bid bid, and then there's the creek
itself. And so we went on this side because his nephews, grandfather Lisa's
that property. And I've been talking about, uh, strange things happen,
big hay Bales being moved, you know, rolled rolled into the field.
You know those how hay bales aren't aren't light right, And yeah, so
we went and so we we had him with us, and so we walked,
we walked down into that barbage and he goes, are you sensing anything
you you know, you sensing him or or the ear? I said,
man, he I said, something's here. I said, but it's not.
It's not Harry, I said, it's those thing's ancient. I said,
it's weird. It said, it's it's something that's been here longer than
we have. And he said, and so you know, his nephews like,
oh, what do you think he did? Yes, I don't know.
I don't know, he said, said I don't know. I said,
I'm not. Don't get me speculating. By that time, we could
hear something. We could hear too, something coming towards us, but it
wasn't it was pour legged and and so all I had was a flashlight and
Kurt had his back vision doggle just the chronicle order, you know, the
lens. And so we're sitting there and we could hear it coming and and
so I waited till I got about it's probably about seven six seven yards from
us, and it hit the hit the flashlight, and it was a wolf,
but it was it had long, curly fur. It wasn't slick colored,
it wasn't slick bird. It was curly, I mean, really weird
curly, bright yellow eyes. And just as I hit that flashlight, as
it hit him, he stopped in mid step and then it's kind of looked
at us and slid to the side, slid out of the light. He
didn't walk, he didn't cry, He just slid to the side. And
his nephew saw it too, And I turned the light off, and I
looked at I happened to look at Kurt, and he was looking through that
and he kind of jerked his head and he looked at me. He goes,
yeah, I think you better get out of here. And so we
got up to the top of the field and he goes, so I told
him what we saw. He goes, he as well, He goes,
I saw I had a heat signature coming across that field. He said.
Then all of a sudden, it was like right in front of me,
like it went from that field that just right in front of me, he
said. I said that when he jerked and he goes, Yeah, he
goes. So I was like, you know, he's a pull bunt,
not using down and there wasn't anything there. He said, do you care
if I get my a R? I said, if it makes you feel
better, if you want to make makes you feel a little secure, then
yeah, sure. But that just happened last year and yeah yeah outside.
Yeah, man, gray Spawn is a hotbed. What's the deal at that
place? You know? I don't know. We were talking about that the
other night when I was talking to my friend from Grace Spot were in gray
Smont and we're talking about that because we were talking about that. I used
to That's how Kurt and I met because I was the chief down here.
I was a law enforcement down there and I came across his group when they
were leaving the cafe. They stopped and ate at the cafe because they were
outside of gray Spat. They used to have a spot there that's no longer
there anymore. But and that's you know, I got talking to him and
they tell me who they are, what they were doing, and so I
told him a few of my stories. So that's how I met Lucy and
Hurt. They were part of that grew so anyway, but yeah, one
one night, I walked out of the City Halls right at the end of
the main street, and I walked out of the out of the office and
I looked, because there's a part when you come out to the left there
there's a park and it's got the Merry go Around swings and you know,
and that murder around was just one no win And I had another auster with
now that Merry go Around and and we sat there and washed it and then
it just slowly just stopped going around, like oh, somebody's here, you
know, or someone's sauce, and it just quit and that kind of you
know. We were like, man, that's weird. And then went down
there and took pictures and they were there were sports all over down that at
that park. I can't remember. Outside of Grace once somewhere there's like a
little church and a bridge or something. It's like Chapel Road or something like
that. We went down there and it was another one of those places just
you know, as soon as you got out, just everything was really thick
filling. Yeah. Yeah, And some one of us had a night vision
scope. This was back whenever night vision was state of the art there.
Thermal wasn't even a thing you could get yet. Yeah. And uh,
there was something, you know, kind of off in the fence line.
You know, it's all grown up out there and everything, and there was
something kind of ducking down and like watching us for quite a while. I
couldn't figure out what it was. I mean, it looked like a head
and shoulders whatever it was. Yeah. And then there was a lady.
Yeah. And then there was a lady with us, and uh, she's
no longer with us. Her name was Kelly, but Kelly kind of I
would say, Uh, you know, she was one of those people that
was gifted, like she could sense things for sure. Yeah, And uh,
she was just getting hit the whole time we were there. She just
felt sick, you know, she was miserable. Yeah, she just did
not mean to be there at all. And then, uh, we had
a dog with us, a German shepherd, and it was freaked out.
It wouldn't get out of the truck. It was acting skittish and I can't
remember who it was, but one of us wasn't me. One of us
went to check on the dog or get something out of the truck, and
the window was down and I mean that dog jumped on him and bit him
right in the face. I mean, that's how wound up this dog was,
and just totally out of character for this dog. And yeah, yeah,
after that happened, you know, we decide, well, I think
we better go something. Something ain't right, something ain't right at all.
But yeah, I heard all kind of stories about that area and just grace
Mont in general. Yeah I've got I mean, I said, I've got
I've got several stories that I didn't even I've got like shee stories. I
polic to go ahead and tell you you're talking about, you know, duck.
And then so this was back in eighty six. How long ago was
I remember the I remember the date, and I remember the year. It
was December twenty nine, and and my sister and her husband was living with
us at the time, and so you know, it was a weekend.
We were bored, We're out out of school. And so I was like,
hey, you want to you wanna go get John, which is our
cousin and next door neighbor, and I want to go into the woods.
It was about eleven o'clock and I said, sure, you know, why
not, you know, we're not doing anything else. And I said,
this was back in the eighties, so you know, we didn't we didn't
have cable TV. We had antenna. So yeah, so we so we're
getting to go over there and get them, and we'd go be bopping in
the woods, and like I said, once you get over that hill,
there's a fence. And so my brother and my cousin in the daytime,
had one follow him back in the woods when they were hunting, and it
stopped that at that fence line, and then it didn't follow on any further.
So we go in. We had just went and got a Christmas tree
a couple of weeks. My mom wanted a real Christmas tree, and so
we didn't want to drag across the field. So like cousin John laid down
and rolled all the way down the hill and make a little trail for us
to pull the tree through. So so we went into the woods and it
was moonlight and we could see something standing off in the distance, and we
had all we had was binoculars. So we told him, you know,
we give him choice. You can either go with us, go with one
of us to go down there see what it is, or you can stand
up here and tell us which way to go, you know, left right,
you know, it moved. He said, I'll stay here. You
know, he was scared, and I said, okay, So my brother
in law I went and started walking down there, and we're kind of talking
real low, and we're walking towards where you know, I thought it was
gonna be. And so we turned around to yell him, said, okay,
which way did we go? And he's standing right behind us, so
we don't know, you know, exactly where it goes. So we'd go
where we think it was, and nothing there. So we start walking back,
well back into our left in the tree line. You could hear footsteps
like when we were walking. It was walking. But then we just used
the sign, you know, to make us, you know, just just
stop walking, a hand signal. And so when it we'd walk and we
do that, we'd stop it and we take an extra step. We'd walk
a little further, we do the hand sign and we stop it, take
an extra step, but it stops. And it did that. It followed
us all the way up to the tree line, which is probably about sixty
yards. We were sixty yards into the tree, into the you know,
tree line, and so we got to the fence, and so we crossed
it and then we went down like we were going back to the house,
and then we doubled back, came up that little trail that he bade us,
you know, to get the Christmas tree there, and then we came
around that other tree line. And what we did was we caught two juveniles
in the tree line and they were they probably weren't not even six foot tall,
because there was two levels and they were going from tree like almost like
cover like you know, cover me, cover cover one, cover two,
and they were going from tree to tree, and they were they hide behind
the tree, and so they got they got close enough. I mean,
I got the binoculars out and I could see one that was kind of squatting
behind a tree. I was so close and it was so clear. I
could see it's but cheeks, that's all I could see. I couldn't see
it till but I see it's butt sticking out from behind a tree. And
they got they got within forty thirty forty yards of us, and so we
were and then we're kind of throwing things into the tree line, and then
it just occurred to me and I looked at my brother and I said,
hey, if those are the babies, where's mom and dad? Yeah,
and he looked at me and they were like, okay, I think it's
time to go. Let's go, ye know, And so we left.
That was just that was just a couple of the fence lines up from my
house. So yeah, so we yeah, we can't. We came back
home and we were kind of freaked out, and you know, we're like,
well, I can't go to sleep now. But but I mean nothing,
you know, nothing, nothing ever became of it. But they were
coming closer and they're going they were going from treating tree and there was two
of them, and I could I could see the silhouette of one barely,
but that one got so close that when it squad behind that tree, I
could, you know, I've seen that. But and yeah, and so
that was that was I've only seen him like that that then, uh and
in the tree line. And then we had you know, back in two
thousand and one that you know, the rash of big foot sightings around here.
Yeah, and so and so this gentleman, I don't know if I
shouldn't say his name, I was calling Doug. He I guess he had
a friend in the BFR oh and there he was from up around Tulsa.
Yeah, and so his his buddy came down. I set up on the
on the travel dance round of stuff and had his cameras and his little uh,
his wires, trip wires, set up everything, and I felt bad
for him. He's struggling. He's like, I'm not getting anything. And
so finally I said, can I trust him? And I was like,
yeah, I think you can trust him. Yeah, you can trust him.
I said, you think, or can I He goes you can,
and so I went to talk to him. I saif, like, dude,
I said, I can take you somewhere where you'll get some activity.
I said, but you gotta you can't tell anybody where this place is.
He's like okay, and he goes, what I need to take us?
Whatever you want to take your camera whatever. So all he brought was a
camera, and so I took him to this place where we've had a lot
of activity. I mean I took I took some friends ends up there in
a jeep and we backed up and you know, we were getting hammered by
cans and whatever they could find, and so we left. So the next
night we came back and to get to up to that road to go.
It wasn't really a road, but it was, and it was an old
road but had been used and forever. And when we got there there was
saw machines, big eight foot ladders, just all kinds of things in the
middle of that road all the way around that curves like keep out, and
so I would go move that stuff. When we went and I can't remember
what happened. Something freaked him out. He took off, he hit that
saw machine. It went up and his his fender, but he kept going
and didn't stop until he got down to the highway. And I had to
try that thing out and they would they wouldn't go back again, but anyway,
so I took him to the spot and parked in the same place,
and we got the same reaction. There was we could we counted probably maybe
you know, five or six. We could hear a movement on every side,
but we we backed up, backed up to where nothing come in from
behind us. So you know, to the front and to the left and
the right, we heard all kinds of movements. And so he'd video and
then he'd watch it on his little screen. If he didn't see anything that
he'd be again. And uh so, you know, he he got you
know, he got his feel of activity because he he was starting to get
freaked out a little bit because they were getting close. And so we left
and it was it was going on daylight. Because I told him, I
said, it's getting it's about to be daylight. And I said they're gonna
they're gonna disappear. And I said, said we might as well go.
And so because he started to get all of this equipment together, and so
it was like two days later, I got a I got a phone call.
He said, I'm I'm I'm gonna send you this. Uh it's gonna
be on a CD. He said, it's a footage. He said,
I got pictures. He said, well, sure, you just have to
see it. He's I can't really tell you at it, but when you
when you look at it, he said, calling me back. And so
I looked at it, and what it was was he got you know,
like I said, they were all around us, but he was videoing to
his probably his two o'clock and you can see, I mean you all you
can see with the trees, you can see a little bit light, you
know, behind it to make out that there were trees and so, but
he said, watch this one he goes. You'll see what I'm talking about.
You'll see he'll move a branch. And so I'm watching and you can
see this. You see this hand come up and move a branch. And
he's standing almost right in front of us. I mean, he's probably about
tween about fifteen yards off, but he's standing there, but you don't see
him until he reaches up and moves that branch. And and so Doug and
I went back to the place where a parked and yeah, looked at it.
He had to be at least nine foot tall. Wow, and yeah.
And once once he moved, once he moved, you could see the
protrudion he had, you know, the the grilla cap or whatever you want
to call it. Once, once he moved, you could make him out.
If he didn't move, we would in their song. And so he
did a temperature corps. I think his temperature was one hundred and nineteen degrees.
And once he did a heat. Once he did the heat, put
the heat on there. You know that you could see him in the tree
line. And so that became his big uh. He was going to do
his own website. He left the bfr O and that was that was his
That's why he's building his website and everything around. I lost contract with us
though, I don't know, but he told me at one time, he
goes, yeah, he goes. I was at the show in Texas.
He said, this guy came up, like five thousand dollars on the table
and said, oh you gotta do is whisper in my ear? Where that
place was? He said, I didn't tell him as well. I said,
he hasn't had access to it anyway, so it'd be hard for him
that to get there anyway. And so but yeah, it was, it
was, it was big, and I said, if he wanted moved,
we went. We were never saw him, but once he moved, then
you could see him and make it out. That was only what he got.
But you know, he he did record and he could hear a little
bit of vocalization, you know, grunts, and you could hear things hitting
the jeep, you know. But other than that, that was that was
all I got about. I mean, that was enough for him. But
he h yeah, and yeah, he so he was he was happy with
that. I mean, he was a static. So I don't know,
I guess he never saw one that he says he's never saw one that big.
I said me either, I said I didn't. I didn't know they
got that big here. I you know eight maybe this guy was not about
over night foot tall. He was huge. Did you know anybody that saw
the casino video? I it's it's it's like Bigfoot himself. It's a miss.
I've never I've never I've heard it exists, but I've never talked to
you. I'm personally that's seen it. And if it does exist, I'm
sure it's gonna get leaked sooner or later. And if it doesn't exist,
I hope it does because I would like to see it too. Now they've
got it all cut and mowed around with a dumpster is and they got lights
on the dumpster and it's right off the parking lot. Now it's used to
be kind of towards a tree line and obscure, but now it's like it's
like they got lights on it and they take the trash and it's around the
edge of the parking lot anymore. So, have you heard anything recent from
the casino? The most recent was probably about a year ago. They were
making the workers when you go in, there's a big, huge parking lot.
I guess that you got for like semis and stuff. And they were
and along got tree line. I mean the tree lines probably about ten fifteen
feet off from the parking lot, but I say tree line. But they
were making their employees park along that, and so they'd have to walk out
of the casino, walk into that big parking lot and go to their car.
And a couple of workers got whistled at, you know, from the
tree line, and they're like, what whistles? You know what whistles at
night? What whistles sell them? Harryman, bigfoot whistles. Yeah. OK,
So that so that freaked them out. So now they don't make them
park over anymore. They parked in the back parking lot or maybe on the
side over there, but hardly anybody parks on that side over there. And
Karry and I went and set out there, but we didn't get anything.
The thing about the casino that always got me. I mean I talked to
enough people that like, yeah, it happened for sure, and other stuff
has happened, but like if you just drive up on the casino and look
at it, you're like, nah, there's there's no way that happened here.
I mean, it doesn't look like there's any way for them to be
like really in cover or anything. But that's just how it is out there.
Yea. Yeah, And you know, you know this from what I
understand who was telling me about Oh it was on Mike's page where he said
that, you know, the I'm not gonna make names, but the gentleman
that started the BFRO says that you know, big Foot can't exist and is
not here in Oklahoma, not in Southwest Oklahoma. I mean, is in
Oklahoma, but if he is, he's down you know, southeast right or
over that way. There's no way that he's he's in the southwest because there's
no no covering now. But I mean there's so many there's so many witnesses
and you know, so many stories. I mean, I hear more here
than I do down down in the south southeast. I mean, that's what
I've tried to you know, I don't just go around talking about it all
the time. Obviously I talk about it on the show sometimes, you know,
obviously with Kurt and with you. But this part of Oklahoma, I
mean, it's just commonplace everybody's seen it or know somebody that's seen it,
and you just stories come out of there constantly. Oh yeah, and well
and with with Native Americans, you know, Native Americans don't always share the
stories, but they do with other Native Americans, or if they do and
you're and you're non Native, then they trust you, right. So,
but yeah, but I mean, I guess I've heard I've heard so many
stories uh where I grew up about you know, him being on top of
the heall watching the cattle, or him watching the kids play basketball. Uh.
You know, there's the two ponds that are pretty close to my house
and he's been seeing in both of them. You know I people have seen
them, you know, in both of them. Uh yeah. So I
said to me, it's weird to not have stories because, like I said,
I mean, you know, my dogs were when I was little,
I had always had you know, dogs, and they would always bark over
to the to the uh southwest or south I'm sorry southeast part of the yard,
and it was like something was playing with them because they barked and they
go towards it, and then they'd run from it and they got bark and
they like go towards it, and then they'd run from it. You know.
It was like I don't know if they were playing with it or if
they were, you know, wanting it. But my dogs are you know,
pretty smart. They wouldn't get into the you know, out of the
yard. They would just stay right there. And because my Dad's looked,
look what are they playing with? And I'm like, you know, I'm
a little I'm like, I don't know. He yes, m I wonder
what they're playing with? You know. Uh, well, I did have
one story I didn't experience. My brother passed it on down to me.
But we're up around the house. Is it used to be an older house
that they lived then before I was born. And my brother said his bedroom
was on the end of the on the south end of the house. Then
he said, one night he was laying a bed and on the side on
the south side of the house, it was like boo boo, boo boom
on the wall. He said, shook the out house and shook his room.
And he said, he said, man, he said, I got,
I got. I crawled out of the bed and I crawled all the
ways down the hallway to to mom and Dad's room and he said, I
knocked on the door, and he said, my dad's what. He goes,
something just hit the house, and he goes, what, you know,
something just hit the hit my bedroom and something hit the side of the
house. And I think my brother said, he's like thirteen, And my
dad said, all right. He said, I heard my dad get up.
He came out the bid room and had his slippers on and his robe,
and so he walked past him and went out the door, and he
said here. I'm saying, hey, get out here, leave us alone.
We're not bothering. You, don't bother us. Get out here.
He was alone, and he was like, then he walked back in there.
He goes, okay, son, go back to bed, you know,
walked in his room and shut the door, and and my brother's like,
he's like, hey, no, he said, I slept up there
my mom and Dad's door. You know. He said, I want to
go back. I want to go back there, you know, and that
you know, But like I said, i I've got so many story my
sisters seeing him once she was on a walk, like I said, let's
get outside of that fence, and you know, it seemed like you're in,
You're in his territory and my niece I had. I've got two nieces
and one night they plopped up my house it's probably been about five years ago,
four years ago, and said, hey, we want to go look
for Harrymans. When we don't have to go too far. I said,
let's go back here. And went back there and and there was one behind
the tree. It wouldn't come out from behind the tree. It was there
was a tree, and so I was up close and I was trying to
get, you know, see if it would come off one side the other.
And then while I was there, they were laying kind of flat in
that field and they were getting hit with rocks. I kept heard all I
said, what some from rocks that as I said, well you know what
it is. Yeah, but he's accurate, said, of course he's accurate.
And so then we got up back to the tree line, got up
side of the fence and and then we could hear him moving and they would
heard one start sneezing like it sounded like a small one, and he had
it's you can't have. My niece is funny back because she'll tell you about
it. I heard, because sneeze and he's just starts sneezing, and then
you hear him. It's like something picked him up and cure him away like
you here. And so that that was enough for them. So we came
back home. But I gotta let me tell you how clever they are.
Okay, So I moved back home and I found it him ushing over here
on the on the yard where two were laying, but it looked like their
legs were interlocked. But they were laying off this hill that's behind my house.
Was my cousins wasn't living here, and I wasn't living here, so
neither of these houses were occupied. So I'm moving back out here. So
I went to Walmart, got a got a bag of trail mix, the
salt and sweet, the sweet and so sweet and salty. Uh. And
so I got two bags that that trail mix, and I left them in
the Walmart bags. I tied the handles, and I got kim lights,
and I tied the kim lights of the handles. So I thought, I'm
gonna be smart. I'm gonna take them out there and set it on that
fence, on that you know, the fence that they they come up to
you. And so I broke the kim lights. I set one on one
pole, you know, put put the trash bag around the loops around that
pole, and I went about ten poles down put another one on that.
I had two of them. So I walked back it's probably three hundred two
hundred yards back to my house and got up in the elm tree because you
know, it was it was fall. There was no no leaves, and
so I got up in that tree and set there for about two hours and
just watching, you know, watching those kimlights. I see it on the
skin lights go into the woods. So I say out. There was going
on midnight, and I thought, I'm getting tired. I'm gonna go get
those bags and move on closer to the house and just go my bedroom.
Watched for the window, and so I got going and I got closer to
the fence line. I looked, those bags are kind of like blowing in
the wind a little bit. And I looked, and the bags are empty.
What they did was poked a hole on the bottom of the bag and
pulled the trail mix out, left the bag and then kim light hanging on
the fence. What yes, And I said, I said, knowing me
they've probably done that when I was walking away, went to set the tree
line. So look at them sitting up that tree watching for us, and
we just said, there eating that trail mix. You know what it's done.
Yeah. I went back to I went back to go mo those trails,
those bags, and the trail mix is gone. And I had the
bag for a long time. I don't know what happened to it, but
you can see like the hole that like the I the finger that they used
to poke the hole was was probably like three of my thumbs put together.
Wow. Yeah, I just poked a hole in it, pulled the trail
mix out lets the bag's hand, I said. And that's always tell people,
I said, you know, because they always say, how come you
down and see it? How come we down? Yeah? I said,
Well, something smart enough to poke holes in a plastic bag and pull the
food out the lea the bags there, they're they're not that dumb. They're
not you know, they're not stupid. I had a lady, I heard
a lady that is you know that that g town's coming into play again.
She lived there and she would feed them. She would put food out in
this tree. So it's kind of a dead tree and she would put food
out there native Native American, and I had heard she had a polaroid of
them at that tree. So it's a blurry polaroid, but they said,
you can make it out, you know, silhouettes at that tree, but
furry silhouettes. But but she would put food out there, and if they
came and there wouldn't hey food, they would knock on her back door,
and she's like, all right, And she said when she'd opened the door,
they wouldn't be anything there, and says, so she would go and
get the food and go take it. Putting the tree. She said,
wait sometimes, but they would never come while I'm looking, she says,
so I'd have to go and start doing something else, or clean the house,
or shut the door and go do something else. She said, then
and I opened the door and go out there and looked at food to be
gone. They'd be gone. And so she moved and she moved to Beinger
and she said it took him about a year, I want to say,
about a year for them to find her and knock on her back door at
being here. So they wanted food. She's she's she's tad. And I
asked some of the family you know, if they knew the polaroids and stuff,
and they're like, I don't know, I don't know what happened to
it. If it you know, if it was there, I don't know,
you know who she left it too or where she left it? One
last question before we cut out of here, and I want to have you
back again for sure. I know you got more stories. Do you hear
any stories about people seeing dog men or whatever you want to call them.
I've heard, I've heard stories, and I've that's kind of what I'm kind
of thinking as buying for his territory out here. I'm kind of thinking that
it's a might be dog men that are coming. That's why he's you know,
because for a long time we used to have raccoons, possums, armadalas
you know, we had all of them out here as kunks, and for
I want to say, good seven eight years we've not had anything like that.
And Mike, I have a cousin that goes back into those woods and
hunts. And he put it on Facebook. He had a picture of a
possum head and he said, what animal will eat a possum but leave the
head? It was just a head there and so everybody started chiming in,
you know, well probably big Foot, and He's like, no, they
don't exist, you know, But I've heard stories of dog Man. I've
heard not very many around here, but you know, towards the back,
towards the south and the west and out east, they have some. But
but so yeah, now I've I've heard stories. I can't say that I've
ever seen one. But like I said, that that vocalization that I got
that one night, I just happened at my windows up and I told Curt
about it, and I said, I want to record it, and so
it just happened. A couple of nights later, I heard that same vocalization
and nothing answers it. It's you know because once the kyo starts, all
the kyots you went in, but the dog start barking, and yeah,
and this is just a h if I can't I might be able to send
it to you later. But it's just a I heard it. I think
Kurt put it. Someone had a similar recording on TikTok because they said what
is us? And they put on TikTok because I think Kurt said it to
me, and I said, that's almost the same vocalization I heard. And
then I had a lady that lives out over by Lakiba and she said she
she had that same almost that same vocalization and she don't know what it is
either, and she recorded it. So and one night, you know,
my cousins had two dogs, and one night I heard the dog barking,
and I can hear two dogs barking. And so when I saw her,
I think it was a day the next day o the day after that,
we were talking and she asked me, she goes, did you hear my
dog's barking? I said yes, She goes, you know what it was
so weird? I said, what she was? It was only one dog
out of the yard and I said what shes Yeah, shes the other dogs
inside. She said, but I heard the other dog barking, and I
said yeah. I said it was close to my house. I said,
I thought maybe Harry might be walking, you know by, and she goes,
no, she goes, we don't have one dog out there and there's
two dogs barking. She said, I didn't even go out there. And
look, she said, you know, opened a door and called the other
dog again. She said, I slept it alone. And I said,
yeah, I heard the other dog. I said, so, yeah,
and so, but I don't know if she still has the dogs, not
because I haven't heard him. But like I said, it's been I'm saying
it now. It's been quiet. But yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting.
And that's what my family was asked me. How how do you live
out there by yourself? I'm by myself right now, you know, because
it's just you know, everything that happens around there. Sis, I got
protection, you know, I'm protection. It's just I said. Plus,
you know, they if they've been around as long as I think they have,
then they know that you know, there's no harm coming out of here.
They may just you know, passing through or you know, because they
used to. I've got a peach tree and behind my house and if we
didn't get the peaches off, they come and get them. Yeah. I've
heard lots of stories like that about how people have like a fruit tree of
some kind and they're waiting. It's just about time to pick the fruit.
You know, everything's just about ripe, and like the day or two before
they're going to take all the fruit, they go out there and it's just
all gone, just disappeared overnight. That's that's what happened. We, like
I said, I was married. She is from the city, she's part
Native and my sakend X my saken EXE, and so he moved out here
with me. And so one night we're getting ready to go to bed,
she says, I'm gonna go out. I didn't smoke at the time.
I said, you know, I smoke my stoies. But and so she
went out to the back porch and then not even four minutes later, she
comes run back in until stevens something out there. I said, behind the
house. She goes, yeah, I like, that's just is that Harry
Man? And I said, well, yeah, he's probably checking you out,
seeing hey, who's the new person here? And so she goes,
well, I said, you can smoke on the front porch the back porch.
You never whichever's you know, you feel better, and she she started
smoking off the front porch. But anyway, so yeah, so we went
out that one day. We were looking at the peaches and I said,
man, we got a lot of peaches this year, and she's, yeah,
she was, I guess we can, you know, have the kids
pick on them. That'll be something fun for them to do, and you
know, maybe we'll get I said, we'll give them away, you know,
because we're not gonna eat them on people can make stuffs out or whatever.
And we're sitting out there talking. We come back in the house and
we'll get ready to go out and you know, get the bags ready,
and we go out there and all the peaches are gone off the tree.
Even the ones that were on the ground that the grasshoppers reading are gone.
You know, even the ones that fell on the ground that were half eight
or bugs are eating. Yeah, they were gone too. So I mean
it was just like just a clean pick. That's so weird. Yeah,
that's why. She looked at me and she was who came and got our
peaches? And I looked that really all of them, And I said,
he may have a big clan. I said, we got a big plan.
He may have a big clan. She goes, he took all of
our peaches, and I said, yes, they got to eat. Well,
man, I've enjoyed it. And like I said, I definitely want
to have you back. I know you got more stories, and you know,
I got other things I want to ask you about for sure. Oh
yeah, yeah, I mean said, yeah, probably haven't touched on a
lot of you know, a lot of my stories. Yeah, I've got
I've got tons of experiences and stories, and yeah, I said, we
could even get into a little bit of paranormal if you wanted to. But
uh, yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting. And if you've had an
encounter with the Harryman, send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot
com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find links
to the social media, a contact form to reach me directly, links to
the merchandise, and all the old episodes all in one place. And until
next time, remember there's something in the woods.