Sean McLaughlin — Returning to Reality TV and Rehashing ‘Paradise’ | Golden Hour

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks so much for joining us again today. Kathy and I are always excited to get on here.

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Speaker 2: Always, always, we are so excited. We're doing well. Susan's getting a tan on and I'm sir sweating to death in Austin, so you know, nothing's changed. But today we have a very very special guest, someone I just had so much fun staring at in Paradise. Please Welcome from Bachelor in Paradise. Sean. Hi, Sean, Welcome to Bachelor Happy.

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Speaker 3: Hi, ladies, thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. This is the first time we're doing it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm so excited to get to know you.

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Speaker 2: Oh trust me, Susan, you like a good looking man came on the show.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, you guys are already making me blush for like ten seconds. And this is gonna be a great I can't wait to go out after this. I'm gonna have such a confidence boost.

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Speaker 2: Oh please, you really, seriously, Sean, you need a confidence boost.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I probably need to tone it down a notch.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I just I want to know. I mean, you know, I adored you when I got to actually I met you before Paradise, but I'd actually forgotten i'd met you, and you had to point that out, showed me up there. But what have you been up to since Paradise?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of got back into a normal flow. I mean, I have a regular job. I work in AI sales, so a lot of travel with that, going to different conferences. But I'm here in Tampa and just kind of got back into the normal life a little bit. I'm enjoying my time. It's just starting to get amazing weather here, so playing a lot of golf and hanging out a little.

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Speaker 4: Jealous about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, little jelly, what's your handicap?

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Speaker 3: I'm a five point nine right now, which is.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Susan. Just so you know, anybody who gives it to you with a digit and a point, they're a serious golfer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, do you shoot in the seventies?

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Speaker 3: I shot this past weegin I play twice, I shot seventy six and eighty. But it's it's so weird with golf because when I get consistently I'm playing like I can get down and shoot in the mid seventies pretty consistently. But after filming Paradise and probably since I started doing the Bachelor franchise. I know, I'm traveling so much, I have so much stuff going on. I'm not getting that consistent golf time in so then my super I know, but my scores reflected. So then I get all mad, and you know, then it just makes me upset. So no, this.

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Speaker 2: Is why, this is why I don't take golf. I play, but you can't take it seriously unless you're going to spend the hours, uh you know, doing it, but you know practicing. But you say you've been traveling a lot. Uh huh. We saw that you were in New Year's in Vegas with a bunch of people from Bachelor. I'd like to know, And don't tell me what happened in Vegas. Days in Vegas. I do not want what happens in So tell me how was that?

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Speaker 3: It was amazing? Honestly, I'm trying to think what I can share it was? It was? It was great.

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Speaker 4: You know, was it someone's birthday?

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Speaker 3: It was? It was Charity's birthday New Year But it was the thing is with that crew, I think Charity's friends from Zach season that she's close with. And then obviously the guys from her season that I'm close with Don specifically in the rest of the group, we have such a solid group of people, and anytime we all get together, we we messed really well. So you know it was it was a blast. We had a good time. Is fun.

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Speaker 4: That's so.

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Speaker 2: And now you think I'm gonna let you go with that. I want one piece of juice. Give it to me.

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Speaker 4: Oh you Wade did not.

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Speaker 2: No, No, we're not going to cat yet. Do you remember when I said to you on Paradise, I said, oh my god, you must have been in politics. You talk to us when you say, actually, my father's in politics. So that answer you just gave me was a political answer, not want the truth. Went on in.

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Speaker 3: Vegas, well, Vegas went on. In Vegas. We were playing a lot of we were gambling a lot. I think that it was great was that you had a huge group of girls and a huge group of guys, so the eyes kind of went to the tables, and we love playing blackjack. But then we'd all meet up at night for dinners. Nothing was like that insane. I will say, I'll tease something that wasn't the first time that we had all hung out before, like recently, so there is something that might be coming with all of us together, so ah, and that I can't actually share yet, so I'll give you a nice little tease.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we.

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Speaker 2: Like it, and see what you get here. Okay, Now, where do you can't stand?

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Speaker 3: I think? I mean, I think we're all past it. I would say, I mean it was. It was good to see her out in Vegas. I mean, I have no bad blood and I don't think she does either, So yeah, I think we're good. It was it was good to see her, and yeah, we're fine. I think what people in the audience might not understand is, like, did emotions that you feel when you're filming a televisionself, specifically with the Bachelor franchise, You're it's kind of like this flighter fight or flight response, and your your adrenaline is always so high, your stress is always so high, So it's sometimes like in the moment, you get all worked up, but a month or two removed, everything calms down and it goes back to Norman away, And I feel like that was definitely you know cat.

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Speaker 2: Myself, I have so many questions, wos you gotta let me go here? For one? Second, it first of all another political answer. We're digging deep in hair, who broke up with whom? And who with Alicia? Then we're getting back to cat.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, Oh, it was kind of like I would I want to say mutual. I would say, well, so I didn't want to do long distance. And Alicia was living in Tampa at the time, and she had moved to l a kind of abruptly, so I we kind of mutually both said like once she got out to LA, it was not not working. It was not going to work. And I had, you know, I have a house here in Tampa, I have a job, I have all these things that I kind of have to I would have to button up before moving to LA. And it wasn't really on my radar. So yeah, it was. It was more so the distance type thing, but it was it was kind of abrupt fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Okay. So the whole thing in Paradise with the receipt by the way, that was the first time I had ever heard the word receipts used in that way. Just they had receipts were just.

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Speaker 1: Coming on to be in the mayor for goodness, say you own the role you were being your dad where you're just trying to feel it.

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Speaker 2: Out, or the Prince of Parliament who were you against?

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Speaker 3: I called them the yeah yeah, the Parliament of Paradise leader. I wanted to say, I was, you know, elected official, unelected, whatever you can say, but I wanted I want to have so much fun with that, Like I thought that, and I think Kathy watching it back, you probably you felt very similar where it's like, hey, like have fun, like go play a game. I think you said something like I want to give it to every place the best game, and I had got into a game mode. No one else was thinking that way. But I had already done that. I had already done Paradise. I had already done like you know, at once before. So like the game show, the competition element was so interesting and fun to me, no one else was like having that much fun with the game side of it. The games themselves, like I thought filming them, some of them were so terrible to film. It was like it didn't it wasn't fun filming the game elements, like the competitions. However, the overarching theme of like voting off like I grew up watching Survivor, Like I love that type of stuff, So I had fun with it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I get it, But I want to go back to the the the horror show that happened at the at the end of the show with like, whose idea was that to bring up the whole with you and Alicia? Whose idea was that to bring up the receipts and the cat dating that whole thing? Where did that come from?

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Speaker 4: The iPad the whole?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I didn't know any of that when I was when before I got voted off, Like, I had zero idea, So that information surface after I got voted off, So it was like what do you do the information? You just sit on it? Or do you like bring it up?

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Speaker 4: And the thing it makes for good TV?

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing is it is like I found out the information, was like, all, well, like what am I going to do? And in a perfect golf analogy, you kind of got to protect the field. So if everyone's competing for half a million dollars, you kind of got to be You can't just like hide it, like withhold that information because it affects people's voting and things like that. So I don't know. It was kind of like in the golf analogy, protecting the field a bit, and I was pissed.

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Speaker 2: Whatever I gotta say, I am, I'm a smart girl, and I'm so confused. What the hell you're talking about? None of it's making any sense.

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Speaker 4: I get it because he got all that information. They answered, he was off the show.

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Speaker 2: But why now he's compelled to tell it?

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Speaker 3: Because if I don't tell it, then other people don't have accessed the information to vote, having that in their in their mind. So if they have one view of something and there's information that contradicts it, that would give people information to do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but weren't you in really good friends?

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Speaker 3: We were, yeah, going into stocking, So why.

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Speaker 2: Would you throw your really good friend under the bus. Because the way in this case under the beach.

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Speaker 3: Under the beach, Yeah, because the way. And the thing is like when you're on the show, you kind of get like half information. I had been told that she was trying to have people vote me off, like she was voting for me, So I was like, WHOA, what the heck? Like I thought we were friends all this type of stuff. So I felt completely betrayed because she was like someone I was close to prior to getting there, before any of this all happened, so like I felt like, now you're defense and I was like, why are you like the one person that I was like, I'm not going to vote for her ever, Like I thought we had each other's back, Like I thought she would be coming to my defense and letting me know if things were happening in the background. So I felt like I was. It wasn't reciprocated in a way in terms of like the allegiance.

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Speaker 2: So two things I want to say, Susan take a lesson here.

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Speaker 4: I know he feels for trained, I'm feeling.

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Speaker 2: How are you in cap today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good. I mean we don't We definitely don't talk as much as we used to. But I think there's not like any resentment towards each other. Like I said, we were in Vegas, everything was fine. It was good. This ye her and you know, I'm sure what we're cross pass again here at some point. So yeah, everything's good.

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Speaker 4: And tell us about Alicia.

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Speaker 3: Then, I haven't talked to Alicia a long time, honestly.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I reached out. I said, like I've reached out before, said happy birthday, just crickets. Really yeah, yeah, it was. It's interesting and I like, you know, I feel like I didn't do anything wrong. She kind of feels differently and like she had kind of said something.

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Speaker 2: What does she think you did wrong?

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Speaker 3: She went on a podcast one of the Bachelor shows and she was like, oh, he like was going behind me back and what I'm doing?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is she just left at that, so it's kind of vague. So people like made assumptions about things. I me, going behind her back was actually me and Kat had a conversation prior to the reunion, after Alicia and I had already broken up, and I didn't tell Alicia about that conversation because I didn't feel like I needed to.

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Speaker 2: I just say, who's on first? Yeah, well so wait a minute, So so you and Alicia are on? It's whatever. I mean, you're obviously not close anymore. What what did you think about Kat and Dale's breakup?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's Were you surprised? And I mean I don't think I don't know it was. I'm not surprised, but like, I'm not surprised if anyone on the show breaks up, you know, like anyone that meets through this this style of dating, it's really difficult so it's not like they have the highest success rating, especially coming off with shows like this and any not even just the Bachelor franchise, Love Island, any of them. Right, So I wasn't necessarily surprised. I think it's tough, Like you know, I never want people to go through pain, whether it's Cat or Dale or both parties. So yeah, no, I wasn't surprised, but it kind of sucks for both.

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Speaker 1: But there was really good successful ones that came off. We just had them on and they're so in love. It does happen.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised there together all the all the couple.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm not surprised they're still together. I'm just saying more not just Jess. Oh no, no, I think I mean it's Jess and U justin Spencer and then Alex Andrew. Yeah, so no, I think they're both going strong.

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Speaker 2: And Bailey Bailee, Oh my.

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Speaker 3: God, am I forgetting Bailey and Jeremy Right, No, I'm definitely they're really happy. They're amazing. I'm definitely like I talked to Bailey and Jeremy like the most out of anyone from from Paradise. Yeah, and and they're great. I mean I've stayed with Jeremy and New York a couple of times. I went out and saw Bailey in Portugal when I was there this summer, and she gave me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going You're going to Lisbon and Porto.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to You're gonna love it. Porto was amazing, like, oh my gosh, what a beautiful city. And she's the she's the best tour tour guide. So yeah, they're doing great and they're doing strong. So it's happy to see we did have successful relationships just in general throughout the terms of like reality dating and tough.

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Speaker 2: So, but weren't you sorry that I didn't leave with someone?

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Speaker 3: I was room for you. I was room for you. Kathy.

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Speaker 4: You know it was nobody to leave with Kathy.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, Kathy, is not your fault. It was the cast. They didn't cast your person there. It wasn't you. If there, if there was more options on the beach, I'm sure you would have found someone and left.

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Speaker 2: Jean got a senator, I'm voting for you.

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Speaker 1: I have a totally pedal politicism, but I do have a question. What was the response like from like the vachtination people like did you were you the villain? Were they attacking you or were they supporting you?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, well yeah, I think I had to suck. Yeah, I think I felt very villainous in terms of like, oh my god, the amounted dms, Like if I went through my dms, it's hundreds and hundreds of messages. I still get them to this day that people are still catching up on Paradise apparently, and like I'll get randomly won where I'm like, all right, well they just watched the episode. But I think for the most part, like the fans of the show, ninety percent of the fans of the BacT World are amazing. Anytime I get approach in public, everyone's great, always have great interactions. You have the ten percent that takes it above and beyond and what's really necessary, and that's the stuff that you see, Like the average viewer is not dming me, like telling me to like jump off a bridge, you know, so like it's I always kind of have put it on the wayside and been like, listen, anyone that's deals that need to DM me, Like I don't really need to take their advice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Sean, I have something I don't know if you know this when you and Alicia started that whole conversation you brought. I don't know if you remember me coming up to you and saying, can you let it go? Do you remember me saying let it go? Don't do it? I don't and you said, you said, I'm doing it. I'm doing And so when it when it all started, I was sitting at the bar. I got up and left. I did. I got up and left, and one of the directors came to Kathy, you have to get back out there, and I looked him straight in the eyes and I said, no, I don't because I thought it was so harsh. And I love you to pieces, but I just thought it was so harsh because I didn't know kat or Dale before, and I did think it was villainous even though I look at Kathy.

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Speaker 4: If it was so true, would you still feel that way?

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm Keith and I are the two that said and meant it that and not everyone believed us at first. Like we talked and we said we're not going to take money out of young kid's hands, Like that's why we stuck around so long. People knew that we were kind people to be there.

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Speaker 4: To sell right were challenging them.

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Speaker 2: I would never I love the games. I wanted to win just because I'm competitive, but not but you know, we you know, Sean, we started stabbing ourselves and one of those things because we you know so so to me, I don't know, it's just when you're on I I hate that people think you're a villain because I don't think you are. But I thought that was brutal. And I didn't know if you just thought it was getting caught up in the moment or you really felt like you were doing a service to all the other contestants.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was more so, more so the service. But then again, like I always go back to it and be like, if you need it, if you need to get information out there, how else do you do it. It's a tough situation to navigate, and like my sense was, do I want to go around and have these tiny little conversations and then like it comes out because yeah, well the thing is we're on a television show. It's going to come out to the masses anyway, So the fifteen twenty people that were there, it's gonna get broadcast to a lot more. Whether I do it on the side or I do it in front of everybody, but if it was the whole thing of like, I needed the information out there to everyone so they can make proper decisions. Yeah, it's a kind of a lose lose situation. I guess the best way would have been just to like not say it at all, but I felt like it needed to be out there at the time. So that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you. I can't do it the next day again. You probably not can remember. Remember we were all back at the other hotel before we went back for the last voting thing, and I said to you in retrospect, now it's been twenty four hours, are you glad you did it? Or would you not do it again? Do you remember your answer?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I remember we're having coffee right there, like over looking pool. Yes, yeah, I think I said you'll get it in time, or if you don't have to get it now, or something like that, but I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you were glad you would do it again. I'm gonna ask you now, how many months later are you glad you did it?

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Speaker 3: I don't live with the gress, Kathie.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you'll look back speaking of for Okay, you know what you are just doing my interview, our interview for us. Speaking of regrets, if you regret not going with April back to our room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, Actually, if I go back and do things over for sure, that's actually one thing I would change.

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Speaker 2: April April with me. I've got his number.

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Speaker 4: He made your day.

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Speaker 1: I have a question, though, do you really think you were the actual villain or do you think there was another villain that flew under the radar because you were there?

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Speaker 3: Hmm? Do I think it was an actual villain?

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Speaker 4: You don't have to name his name, but do you think there really was?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I think it's tough to go back.

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Speaker 2: And like I wanted to name it names.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, who are you thinking of? I'll tell you if I were thinking the same thing, Susan.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not thinking of anybody in particular.

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Speaker 1: But I think there was a few shadiness, a little bit of shadiness going on, and you just happen to be the one that they because you entered with that information.

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Speaker 4: Of course, everybody's gonna hate you. You're the villain.

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Speaker 3: I think that, like the in the moment, you get such conflicting information. You're only unable to understand what's in front of your face at that time, so then you kind of get on defense mode. No, I think that everyone. I mean, you can never know until you actually people come out and say it. But I feel like, yeah, maybe some people were putting on an act for the cameras in a way. And the one thing with me is like if I was active with the cameras, I wouldn't come back and like blued and shut up, like you know, what you see is what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: Who was acting.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people have kind of have this view of like when they get on TV and cameras, the the real way they feel often doesn't come out come.

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Speaker 2: Out, like, for example, because they're they're.

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Speaker 4: Not proud of how they're really feeling or their thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Well, it could be different. I would say that there's conversations that I've had across especially this season. I would say we're like off camera, say a dead day, when we're not filming, the way they feel about certain things is very different.

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Speaker 2: Like give me an example, give me a name.

00:19:43
Speaker 3: Give me a key, and I'm not throwing people in the bus is six months.

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Speaker 2: Susan, He's not throwing people out of the bus, Sean, you threw on national television. So this just a tiny little podcast with ten listeners.

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Speaker 4: There's twelve.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just one person to the other. I think it was. I can give you specifically, the way that people felt towards the game off camera was much different than the way they felt on camera about about the money and like about what they're going to do. Also interest in terms of like where people stood from like allegiance perspective, So there were certain certain elements to that where like I watched.

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Speaker 2: That, I'm going to cry.

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Speaker 1: They didn't love me love Did that change the game for you in any way?

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Speaker 4: When they brought the money into the game, Well.

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Speaker 3: I think the whole thing changed when it became like a competition. Yeah. For me particularly, I was like, hell, yeah, let's go. This is freaking amazing. I thought what would suck for me? Like going through this is the first season they did. It was like surprise about the money thing. I didn't have anybody from Charity season on the beach with me. I had no no one that I'm like really close with. I had a couple of people drop out last minute like Xavier and John b were supposed to go on they dropped off last minute. If I had those two guys on the beach.

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Speaker 1: Your guys, you feel a little stronger there. You felt alone.

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Speaker 3: She felt alone in the sense of like, hey, like all these people are from the same season, or they're like have a roommate. I did't even have a roommate. So all like the the time at night when like they're talking and like getting close to each other, I'm in my bed by myself.

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Speaker 4: You had your own room.

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Speaker 3: I had my own room. At least you would come over like when we match, you we would share a room at that point. But like up until that point, it was like I was alone. So it's great in that sense, but when the element of the game comes into play, it's actually disadvantage.

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Speaker 4: Yes it is, I will say.

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Speaker 2: I will say, Sean, you and your your you're continuing to say what you said to me on the beach, which is you looked at it very as a competition, And what strategy do I, I, Sean, do I need to enact here to have the best chance, best outcome of winning. Like I think you really strategized, and I think a lot of people it didn't appear that they were strategizing as much as you were, and that's why I think it'd gotten into trouble for you. But hey, you know what, you left the beach without any money. You left the beach with a woman. Now you don't have her. So now we're just gonna jump right.

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Speaker 4: Here are your date now?

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Speaker 2: And who is she? And by the way, keet jealous so carefully.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean yeah, I didn't leave the beach with money and left with the girl didn't work out. You know, I'm like, I'm out there, I'm going on dates nothing like no one like consistently in terms of like we're that serious. But the thing that's tough for me is I travel a lot. Like I was in San Francisco for the Super Bowl a couple of weeks ago. I go to La tomorrow. So there's a lot of travel where the consistent dates become tough to build momentum, I guess, so to speak. But I mean I've I felt like when I got off the show and like things went over with Alicia, and like the months after that, I put a lot of pressure myself to like find somebody and like go out there and go on a bunch of dates and like me people, and I've kind of taken that pressure off now and I feel like whenever something happens, it'll be meant to be in a way. And I feel like I operate way better when I don't put pressure on myself in the dating sense, Like let it be natural and be organic, not force anything.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Do you have a type? Is there a certain one that catches your eye? Is it a skinny, skinny girl like her? Or is it a dark haired girl, a blonde Do you have a certain.

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Speaker 3: Or older women?

00:23:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're older women.

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Speaker 3: I think like the immediate eye catch for me is like blonde hair, blue eyes, like active. I would say, So, you know, I'm watching the Olympics right now and there's a lot of a lot of cute girls on this. Yeah they're all really good shape, They're great. I like watching the people from Norway and Sweden. I'm like, oh wow girls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're a very good look. So I'm guessing no shortage of dates.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean you know, it depends. I feel like for me, like I'm on the apps, you know, every now and again, and like I try set stuff up, but I feel like all the the fun relationships I get into and the people I meet, it's always out organically, like it's always out and about. I'm at a bar, I'm like, oh, you're really cute, like what's your name? And then you hit it off and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, I'm sorry, women, hold on, ye give me your best You asked that I have one question before. Give me your best pickup line, Sean, you're in a bar. You see miss Sweden sitting sitting down the bar.

00:24:39
Speaker 3: What you wearing your metal?

00:24:40
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:24:41
Speaker 3: Well, how much time to am I saying the bar for a while or is it quick? Because there's two different answers, two different answers, give them I want to hear. Okay, So if I'm if I don't know if I'm gonna be at the bar for a while and I have one shot at it, so to speak, you go up and this is kind of cheesy, but I'll go up and be like, oh my god, it listen, it's so good to see you.

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Speaker 4: And then.

00:25:01
Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god, my name's on a list. I'm like, oh, I used to I know this, like beautiful girl named the list. I'm so sorry. I'm sean, nice to meet you, and usually like brings the tone down and like she off guard a little bit. Oh, this guy knows a beautiful girl named Melissa, and then you know we have that. If it's not like immediate like I have one, maybe I were at the bar for a little bit, I'll like in passing, just be like, hey, hey, I really like your dresser, I like your purse, or I like your shoes or something like that, and then just walk away. Don't even like stay for a conversation, just compliment and go by. And then if you're at the point where it's like she's at the bar, like thirty minutes, go by. The chances they come up to you and say hey, like what's going on? Because they keep thinking like why didn't he say and talk to me? Why didn't ask her for my name? So there's a little bit of a long game in that one.

00:25:49
Speaker 1: So let me ask you something. Would you find it odd if the woman came up to you and said, hey, I find you very good looking?

00:25:55
Speaker 4: Are you single? Are you what's your story?

00:25:57
Speaker 3: No? I would love that. I think I would love it.

00:26:01
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, is that which which girl you're taking home to mama? The one who comes up to you and says, you know, I think you're really hot, and what how whatever I mean say hot? Whatever, I like your I like you, You're very attractive, whatever.

00:26:17
Speaker 4: Stood out in the crowd. I'd like to know you.

00:26:20
Speaker 2: Are you going after that girl or the girl that you try to date.

00:26:26
Speaker 3: Would it make a difference, we would make I mean, no, one's me and my mom unless I truly get to know him a little bit. So like I think I would go and I would go on dates with any of them. But obviously, what if you feel connected is going to happen more of like an intimate setting where you're going on a date, not as necessarily a crowded bar. But i'd be I like, I like someone that's got some balls too. If they want to come up and approach me, that's awesome, Like I I way that cat.

00:26:47
Speaker 4: I'm trying to tell Kathy.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: So okay, I know it's going to come as a shock to you. Sean and I are not dating in the same age pool. Just a thought.

00:26:56
Speaker 4: Who says, so you think you think older men or.

00:26:59
Speaker 3: Make assumptions about who I'm dating.

00:27:01
Speaker 1: You know that they would take that as oh my god, you must be wild listen.

00:27:06
Speaker 2: I tried it last week in California. It was a disaster. Moving on, would you do Paradise again?

00:27:12
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. Everything I've done, I've had so much fun filming, like, so much fun. I would say that my interest in Paradise is very, very low at this point. I would say I'm open to other ideas in terms of shows, like I would love to do something competition based. I would love to do something with a little bit different element rather than dating. So yeah, I mean, I'm open to doing another experience like that. I think Paradise like, I've done it so much.

00:27:41
Speaker 2: So if you get something, will you bring me along with you?

00:27:43
Speaker 3: There might be something coming up here. There might be something that. Yeah, there might be something coming up here.

00:27:48
Speaker 4: Nobody called.

00:27:50
Speaker 3: It's already like we already.

00:27:51
Speaker 4: It sounds like you know something not not.

00:27:53
Speaker 3: I don't think it's in the Bachelor universe, but there is there might be something. I don't know when they're gonna.

00:27:58
Speaker 2: But do you need my number? Do you need my number? Are they calling me?

00:28:01
Speaker 3: I think they might maybe for next year. I'd already filmed, so yeah, see.

00:28:07
Speaker 4: They're already done.

00:28:08
Speaker 1: All right, tell me your thoughts on Taylor, Frankie Paul, I'm obsessed.

00:28:12
Speaker 3: I want to go back on our show.

00:28:14
Speaker 4: Everybody is I can't wait to watch her.

00:28:18
Speaker 2: You'll be watching I assume, right.

00:28:20
Speaker 3: There is a part of me that, you know, just with the franchise, like I'm done with this franchise. They're really You're right back in. But there was a part of me that I legitimately almost reached out to the producer. So it's like, you gotta get me on the season, like this is gonna be so much fun. Like and then I thought back to myself, I'm like, I've done three of these things. I don't know if I know.

00:28:41
Speaker 4: Well, you know you are when you are in the bar.

00:28:43
Speaker 1: Going back to just for a second, I never got this in and you see somebody that you would like to speak with. Do they recognize you?

00:28:52
Speaker 3: Yes?

00:28:53
Speaker 2: And no.

00:28:53
Speaker 3: I think like the people that are approaching me typically they recognize you, right, And like, I never go into assumption of people know me because like the majority you feel out there do not. It's just the ones that do. But I've had experiences where, you know, I started talking to someone and like two weeks go by and then then it comes out that they had actually known me the entire time, but they.

00:29:11
Speaker 2: Kind of.

00:29:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:29:13
Speaker 3: This one, this one girl I was like seeing for a little bit. She she watched like my previous par Paradise season with her parents before I even gone. Why, I didn't even met them. And it wasn't We weren't even that serious. We're just going on a few dates. But she's like, yeah, my dad loves you on the show. It's like, what do you mean, Like that's watching the show right now?

00:29:33
Speaker 4: Oh god?

00:29:36
Speaker 2: And the fourth night would have been do you want my ring size?

00:29:39
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it was yeah. But it's cool. I mean, like I think it's cool how you interact with people, like, for example, like I think it's really fun and like when people come up and say hello. When we were in San Francisco this past weekend, Tana and I were at a bar after the super Bowl and this guy comes up to me. He's like, I know you do you live around here? And I was like, no, I'm in town. He's like, wait a second, you were on Paradise. I'm friends with Keith, and he calls Keith and we get on the phone with Keith right there. It was like amazing that it was just like you know small.

00:30:08
Speaker 2: Did you see on the internet Keith get down on one knee? Uh In Carmel at the golf tournament proposed to me.

00:30:16
Speaker 3: He proposed. I thought he was just kind of shoe.

00:30:18
Speaker 2: No he was, And there is the story of my dating life and nutshell right there. So before we we we're going to do an advice a couple of advice questions, but just in general, anything you can share with us now about what's coming up for you, what you're up to, what he just anything that you can SHARE's something, yeah, other than there's something.

00:30:42
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think people will see me, see me soon on something going on different, different show completely, but that's coming up should be I think it'll be now shortly. I'm not necessarily necessarily sure when, but at some point in the spring you'll see it, which will be amazing, amazing experiens. I had so much fun. It was a blast. So that was fun. But no, I want to I want to hear about Carmel, Like, I'm very very upset that I wasn't a part of that group. I love golf, and I see all you guys hanging out having a blast. I was so bummed.

00:31:14
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, it's just you know, you go there and you're hanging with all the batslor people. Not everyone's there obviously, but just it's such a family. And then to watch those golfers whole number eight. Let me just tell you. My goal to play is just I just want to play number eight and I want to hit my drive number that over that cut in from you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the gully I want to drive. I mean, and I'm thinking if I could work it out, No, No, I'm thinking just put my ball like ten yards that's you know, the inside of the gully and then hit it to the green. That's what I want to do.

00:31:54
Speaker 3: You got it. If you aren't think it, you can do it for sure. I have faith.

00:31:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's to the university.

00:32:00
Speaker 2: It was really fun. It rained on Wednesday the day we went on the course. It was beautiful. You know, it's it's paradise there. It just is.

00:32:08
Speaker 3: Yeah. I haven't been out that way, yeah, but it's on my list. Tubble Beach is one of the places that I gotta get out there.

00:32:14
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing, you know what. They have a lot of their Sean. Before we get to advice, which we're about to do.

00:32:20
Speaker 4: Just keep trying to get it.

00:32:21
Speaker 2: OUTE want you to go until you in some of these I just have to tell you, do you know what they have a ton of No? What beautiful blonde hair.

00:32:34
Speaker 3: I'm going to book my flight right now. Let's let's get out.

00:32:36
Speaker 2: There alright on.

00:32:40
Speaker 4: We need some of your advice.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: What advice do you have to any guy that's single right now?

00:32:48
Speaker 3: What advice? I just put yourself out there. I think the I think that people are so scared of rejection nowadays and like going off and approaching people like I feel like maybe it's just the dating apps, or maybe it's just the online presence. Very little, I think very little women are getting approached in person nowadays. I think it's becoming.

00:33:07
Speaker 1: You're right and it's like if the picture's not right next, or okay, you didn't talk right enough for me, Okay, go with this one.

00:33:16
Speaker 4: There's so much available to people right now. It's sad.

00:33:20
Speaker 3: Well. I have like beautiful friends that are girls that go out and they never get approached at all, and it's like, why not just go home and say hi? And they're thinking the same thing, like I wish the guy would come approach me. I think the guys are thinking, Oh, I don't want to I don't want to be rejected. I don't want to say no. But like at the end of the day, I just go up and say hi and see where it goes. The worst is gonna say is hey, I'm not interested, and then you walk away, and then you're at a bar full of people and there's other people talk to.

00:33:43
Speaker 4: It, and nobody else heard it. You know, you have to hear it.

00:33:46
Speaker 2: Really, so this is great dating and advice. I hate that we have to depart, we have to wrap this episode, but I will say I have learned a lot. I'm going to go hang out at bars and say hello to ment and I just one rap to the other. Hey, I like your purse. But okay, I just want to thank all of our listeners. Please keep sending us your questions. It's easy. We want your comments, your thoughts. All you have to do is go to Bachelor nation dot com slash Golden Hour, submit away. We really want to hear from you.

00:34:18
Speaker 1: Thank you, and listen to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcast.

00:34:24
Speaker 4: See you next time.