SASQUATCH ENCOUNTER FROM WEST VIRGINIA (I'VE SEEN 38 OF THEM) HOW CAN I GET A VIDEO OF A SASQUATCH?

<v Speaker 1>Old Barry, Welcome Sasquatch theory. How are you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Doing pretty get good.
<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to have you on the show. I
<v Speaker 1>had a guest reach out and email me and said
<v Speaker 1>I should contact you. So I emailed you immediately, and
<v Speaker 1>you were willing to come on the show. So I
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate that if you would tell me a little
<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself, where you're from, and your bigfit encounters
<v Speaker 1>and experiences from the very beginning.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I have been doing research on these creatures
<v Speaker 2>for over thirty five years. I've known about them for
<v Speaker 2>forty years. At age sixteen, I was deer hunting here
<v Speaker 2>in the state of West Virginia where I live, and
<v Speaker 2>one walked out from behind a boulder at twenty feet
<v Speaker 2>and it slowly progressed from being the prize that I
<v Speaker 2>was there to growling, baring its teeth, pursing its lips,
<v Speaker 2>growling at me, taking one step towards me. And when
<v Speaker 2>it started to take the second step, the hammer on
<v Speaker 2>it on the rifle that I had clicked back to
<v Speaker 2>full cock, its stopped midstep. Finally decided that it would
<v Speaker 2>probably be safe for it to run away, and it
<v Speaker 2>ran off the way that it came about two hundred
<v Speaker 2>yards away. It's where I heard it to stop running
<v Speaker 2>because it was breaking the brush pretty heavily. And I
<v Speaker 2>got up started up top. It got to the top
<v Speaker 2>of the hill to the gravel road and left there,
<v Speaker 2>went towards my dad, and it screamed at me from
<v Speaker 2>two hundred yards away or so, and it shook me
<v Speaker 2>from my back through my chest. It made me feel
<v Speaker 2>like everything inside of me was quivering. And at that
<v Speaker 2>point I went to my dad and told my dad,
<v Speaker 2>let's go home. And at that point Dad said, okay,
<v Speaker 2>what's wrong? And I never would tell him, and we
<v Speaker 2>got almost so for over an hour, my dad kept
<v Speaker 2>looking at me, going what's wrong with you? What's wrong?
<v Speaker 2>And I wouldn't tell him. Finally he pulled the truck
<v Speaker 2>over and pulled his leather beout off. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sixteen year old kid, I've been spanking before I knew.
<v Speaker 2>I knew what Dad meant. It was time to answer
<v Speaker 2>his question, and I told him, and he just looked
<v Speaker 2>at me and said, don't ever tell you mother or
<v Speaker 2>your grandmother. Don't never let us go hunting again. So
<v Speaker 2>I lived with that for about five years and I
<v Speaker 2>got into it investigating. I wasn't very good at it
<v Speaker 2>when I first started. I didn't know how to make calls,
<v Speaker 2>didn't know didn't know what to look for. Because you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's when you start start out looking for bigfoot, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's one luck if you ever see another one. But
<v Speaker 2>you can change that to where it's you know, ten
<v Speaker 2>percent luck. You can start you start having to figure
<v Speaker 2>out where they reside in a in a big woods, uh,
<v Speaker 2>what they like, what they eat. Once you figure all
<v Speaker 2>that out, you can you can pretty well narrow down
<v Speaker 2>to where they're going to be. But it's it's taken
<v Speaker 2>me for, you know, thirty five years of doing this
<v Speaker 2>and now I go out and make calls and sound
<v Speaker 2>like them. So it's it's been a long process and
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of different experiences that I've had. I've
<v Speaker 2>helped people over that time. So I mean, I'm open
<v Speaker 2>to whatever you would like to ask.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what did the creature look like that stepped out
<v Speaker 1>from behind the rock? Can you describe the features.
<v Speaker 2>To eight foot tall, a auburn reddish brown type hair, collar,
<v Speaker 2>It had a human's face, It had you know, human
<v Speaker 2>cheek bones except for the eyes being further apart and
<v Speaker 2>a lot bigger. It looked like a human. It had
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a human's forehead with a high hair lot.
<v Speaker 2>The hair wasn't down across its face or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>It didn't have any any beard or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>You know, where I go, I wear a goateee. This
<v Speaker 2>one didn't have any facial hair. And it had the
<v Speaker 2>big white chick foot teeth. I mean everybody says, well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, their teeth are different, Well, their teeth look
<v Speaker 2>like cars. And and yes, it had you know, the
<v Speaker 2>ca nines like we do, but they weren't protruding. They
<v Speaker 2>were just part of its mouth, you know, part of
<v Speaker 2>its teeth. And it had thin lips. It didn't have
<v Speaker 2>any eight features or anything like that. Its arms were
<v Speaker 2>down because it was standing there looking at me, and
<v Speaker 2>when it took its step, it don't it didn't swing
<v Speaker 2>its arms, but its arms the fingertips were down below
<v Speaker 2>the knees. They had long hair on its biceps hanging
<v Speaker 2>down across the bicep and down across its hands, and
<v Speaker 2>it just it was a scary sight to a sixteen
<v Speaker 2>year old kid.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it was like clicking its teeth at you,
<v Speaker 1>and it was being territorial trap.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was being very territorial.
<v Speaker 1>So it was thinking of coming close to you, charging
<v Speaker 1>you perhaps.
<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, when it came out, it was twenty feet
<v Speaker 2>and once it took that first step, it wasn't It's
<v Speaker 2>like it tried to stretch as far as it could
<v Speaker 2>to take that first step. And when it started to
<v Speaker 2>take the second step, that's when I talked the hammer
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of went quick old no, and it
<v Speaker 2>started looking for a way out. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>That was probably for the best too. And I don't
<v Speaker 1>blame you for defending yourself if you had to. Did
<v Speaker 1>you notice anything else going on whenever you had this encounter,
<v Speaker 1>like wood knocking around you, any strange smells, anything strange
<v Speaker 1>like a feeling or anything.
<v Speaker 2>No, nothing like that. This bigfoot was it was honey.
<v Speaker 2>It was pushing deer. It pushed three dos in front
<v Speaker 2>of me, and the only reason I was sitting there
<v Speaker 2>was the deer on it. And it just didn't know
<v Speaker 2>I was there because the wind was blowing down the
<v Speaker 2>hall and it didn't catch my sind didn't know I
<v Speaker 2>was there, and there was no smell coming from me
<v Speaker 2>at all.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's amazing and what did you find out after
<v Speaker 1>researching these creatures? How do you go about locating them?
<v Speaker 1>Can you share some of that with me?
<v Speaker 2>Him? Typically I can go now it's to the point
<v Speaker 2>I've figured out that there's certain areas they like to
<v Speaker 2>be in, and that area if you can find where
<v Speaker 2>they lay up during the day, like in the spring
<v Speaker 2>and summer, it's easy to get out and find them.
<v Speaker 2>But the areas they typically lay in, it's going to
<v Speaker 2>be a bowl towards and anybody that's deer hunted or
<v Speaker 2>hunt of any kind, they understand what a bawl is.
<v Speaker 2>But there's three criteria for the ball. It's got to
<v Speaker 2>have a water source near it. It's going to have
<v Speaker 2>a denched underbrush so they can lay down and hide
<v Speaker 2>so they don't get seen as easy. And then the
<v Speaker 2>third one is it's got to have two or three
<v Speaker 2>escape routes. And you usually if you're in a ball
<v Speaker 2>and it's at the top of the mountain, then go
<v Speaker 2>over the top. Well, then go out both sides, so
<v Speaker 2>that fits. But it's always got to have dense underbrush
<v Speaker 2>in it, and it's got to have water source in there.
<v Speaker 2>Especially around here in my home state of West Virginia.
<v Speaker 2>It's sometimes in summertime, NI could beat ninety degrees and
<v Speaker 2>or one hundred degrees and one hundred percent of humidity,
<v Speaker 2>you know, so that you have to have a lot
<v Speaker 2>of water.
<v Speaker 1>That yeah, that makes sense. And what made you come
<v Speaker 1>to this conclusion that they like to hang out on
<v Speaker 1>a ball. What did you notice when you discovered the
<v Speaker 1>what kind of activity? And did you come.
<v Speaker 2>Across Well, I've pished quite a few of them, went
<v Speaker 2>and went with a friend of mine, actually, my mentor.
<v Speaker 2>He showed me that, and it always rain true, and
<v Speaker 2>usually we would try to get go in there, and
<v Speaker 2>sometimes we'd get pictures of them. Back then, it was polaroids.
<v Speaker 2>It ain't like it is today. You know, you didn't
<v Speaker 2>have digital cameras. We always found footprints and those bowls
<v Speaker 2>found hair samples. Well, you know the excrement from Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>We found that before in these bowls. And they seem
<v Speaker 2>to use the same bowl over and over again. And
<v Speaker 2>once you get in there, there is a smell because
<v Speaker 2>they do have body under but h everybody says, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they really stink and reek and and I've never had
<v Speaker 2>one do me that way except for one, big mail
<v Speaker 2>and I walked up on it, and I surprised it,
<v Speaker 2>and it surprised me. And that's the only one that's
<v Speaker 2>ever stunk bad. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Did you get a good look at the creature?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, yeah, he was. He's about ten foot tall,
<v Speaker 2>solid black hair, and the hair on top of his
<v Speaker 2>head kind of stuck up. I don't know why his
<v Speaker 2>hair was like that, but it stuck up and made
<v Speaker 2>him look taller than he was. He had a very
<v Speaker 2>leathery faced, cold black skin with the cold black hair,
<v Speaker 2>and he had black eyes. There was no whites to
<v Speaker 2>his eyes. This was in the middle of the day.
<v Speaker 2>There's no re for his eyes not to have, you know,
<v Speaker 2>for the pupils to be dilated that far, but his
<v Speaker 2>eyes were black. He was just and he was not
<v Speaker 2>happy to see me. The shoulders on this creature were
<v Speaker 2>probably four and a half five foot wide. He had
<v Speaker 2>super long arms. The muscles on his arms looked like
<v Speaker 2>his biceps looked like my thighs. He was just humongous,
<v Speaker 2>big legs, that forward lean that they all have, and
<v Speaker 2>bent knees, and he just kind of like, how'd you
<v Speaker 2>get here? Just that kind of look on his face,
<v Speaker 2>like he's surprised, but didn't trust me and or you know,
<v Speaker 2>you meet some in an alley like that, and that's
<v Speaker 2>kind of the attitude that he had.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and whenever that first creature that you described screamed
<v Speaker 1>at you, what what did that sound like?
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Well, it that bigfoot had a peculiar type of scream.
<v Speaker 2>And I've tried to imitate him, but it sounds more
<v Speaker 2>like a the ball from a ball combined with a
<v Speaker 2>woman's scream. And he and it, just like I said,
<v Speaker 2>it just shook me from my whole insides felt like
<v Speaker 2>they were just shaking. I can't imitate him, and I've
<v Speaker 2>tried over the years and just cannot end the team.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and what type of calls do you use to
<v Speaker 1>locate these creatures? I mean, you don't have to make
<v Speaker 1>the sounds, but like like whoops screams.
<v Speaker 2>No, I do howls. I can do their growls or grunts.
<v Speaker 2>Females typically the ones that whoop. Males do something that's
<v Speaker 2>they don't have the peel on the ends when they
<v Speaker 2>do the whoop sound. But it's just uh, I mean
<v Speaker 2>I can do most of the calls. I can do
<v Speaker 2>the ohio how and and and then there's one that
<v Speaker 2>I've done before, and when I go with some friends
<v Speaker 2>of mine in the spring and summer, they kind of
<v Speaker 2>the they kind of call the call constant Bay of Hillbilly,
<v Speaker 2>but that's their nickname for it. But it's it's very
<v Speaker 2>loud and aggressive.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. I got a Fox Pro game call
<v Speaker 1>and I'm able to program vocalizations on it, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what I need to put on
<v Speaker 1>in there to actually call on these things.
<v Speaker 2>In Well, they can tell the difference between a computer
<v Speaker 2>generating call and they because I tried for years to
<v Speaker 2>learn those howls, and it's it's like they can stand
<v Speaker 2>back and laugh at you when you when I was trying,
<v Speaker 2>and now they don't do that. Now they actually we
<v Speaker 2>get responses to the calls. Now we actually get them
<v Speaker 2>to come in.
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. How often will they come in whenever
<v Speaker 1>you call it them?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, seventy ferstand the time.
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good success rate. Do you run any audio
<v Speaker 1>equipment out there? Do you bring any cameras anything like that?
<v Speaker 2>I don't do it anymore. That's last spring we were
<v Speaker 2>up to Salt Fork in Ohio and I did a
<v Speaker 2>howl and we got they broke a tree. We got
<v Speaker 2>a bonic goose that wasn't a goose. I've never heard
<v Speaker 2>of goose ever sound like that. And we got some
<v Speaker 2>grunts and a few growls, and people got scared and
<v Speaker 2>everybody wanted to go to their tents. Which tent won't
<v Speaker 2>save you from me saying. And we sat outside until
<v Speaker 2>about two o'clock in the morning, all kinds of different
<v Speaker 2>big foot sounds around us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty cool. And what else, what other type
<v Speaker 1>of activity have you experienced, or what other encounters have
<v Speaker 1>you had.
<v Speaker 2>We were at Salt Fort three years ago. My wife
<v Speaker 2>got to see three bubble ones. Five minutes later I
<v Speaker 2>seen the female. I'm on with ten twelve other people.
<v Speaker 2>And then the next night they had me do a
<v Speaker 2>howl and we got to see the large male come in,
<v Speaker 2>stomping his feet, growling at us, trying to challenge me,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you figured out we were humans and
<v Speaker 2>he went around the camp. We have a lot of
<v Speaker 2>fun when we go out anymore.
<v Speaker 1>So when you call these things, they actually come out
<v Speaker 1>and reveal themselves.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and usually it's males that come out and reveal
<v Speaker 2>those seals. Usually it's the alpha male or one of
<v Speaker 2>the big beta males that come out and expose themselves.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'd like to have that type
<v Speaker 1>of success. I've called them in before, but they seem
<v Speaker 1>to like stay right out of sight, Like they get
<v Speaker 1>just like close enough to where you can't see them
<v Speaker 1>in the woodline.
<v Speaker 2>Add some growl to your calls.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, because typically I do like this loud whoop call,
<v Speaker 1>and they'll either like push over a tree stream or
<v Speaker 1>come in charging, but they just stay like right out
<v Speaker 1>of sight.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. A whoop call is typically female call. They're usually
<v Speaker 2>high pitched, and the best thing you do about that
<v Speaker 2>is try to imitate a how the know how something
<v Speaker 2>like that and add growl growl through it, and they'll
<v Speaker 2>they will spawn better.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I'll try that, because the feeling I got
<v Speaker 1>when they did come in was like that maybe like
<v Speaker 1>a little one or a female was in trouble. It's
<v Speaker 1>like the way they just rushed in, or if they're angry,
<v Speaker 1>like you could tell that they thought one of their
<v Speaker 1>own were in trouble and like I tricked them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, when that happens, if it's aufa male, he's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be made. Let me he figures out you're tricked him,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like having a two year old the way
<v Speaker 2>a thousand pounds. It's not a good situation.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's what it seems like. And I'll try
<v Speaker 1>to do the Ohio man call or Ohio Howell call
<v Speaker 1>and see how that works out. I'll try to imitate
<v Speaker 1>it the best I possibly can see if I have
<v Speaker 1>any success with it, because it seems like now I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like I'm sure you've turt you hunted, Like
<v Speaker 1>when you call a lot to them, they eventually like
<v Speaker 1>figure out that it's you and eventually you just got
<v Speaker 1>to go to a completely different area. But that that's
<v Speaker 1>what I feel like, like I've done it too many
<v Speaker 1>times to where it just doesn't work anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, if you if you do it too
<v Speaker 2>many times in one particular area, or you do the
<v Speaker 2>same call again and again again, they figured it out
<v Speaker 2>pretty quick.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that's what I've noticed. It's like when it's
<v Speaker 1>my first time doing the call in an area I've
<v Speaker 1>never done it, like, and if they're around, they'll come in.
<v Speaker 1>But once you can continue doing that same call, it's
<v Speaker 1>like they lose interest in it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you got you have to expand your your
<v Speaker 2>call base to get tom.
<v Speaker 1>Me in and yes, like yeah, and where you're at,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it's similar to like the Ozarks.
<v Speaker 1>What recommendations can you give me if I want to
<v Speaker 1>locate these creatures around here? Because it's I don't know
<v Speaker 1>the Ozark mountains. It's not mountains, but it's just like
<v Speaker 1>big hills and creek bottoms, rivers, lakes, things like that.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of focus on the river areas. It's got a
<v Speaker 2>very dense population of deer and Ken's possums, turkey And
<v Speaker 2>when do you find an area like that? Click for
<v Speaker 2>bolts and.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I know the perfect place. And it's
<v Speaker 1>not too far from me. And there's been a lot
<v Speaker 1>of reports there in the past, and it's really isolated.
<v Speaker 1>Not a whole lot of people go in there. It's
<v Speaker 1>a bow hunting area only, and it's by the river
<v Speaker 1>and it's a huge state forest and I never see
<v Speaker 1>people in there, even during deer season. You might see
<v Speaker 1>one car in there.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it would be the best place to good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think so is it dangerous to go
<v Speaker 1>by yourself and do research? What would you say? Are
<v Speaker 1>these things dangerous?
<v Speaker 2>Get them they're dangers.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree.
<v Speaker 2>I've had trees pushed over on top, almost on top
<v Speaker 2>of me, have been chased out. You get scared.
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me about the experience you had when
<v Speaker 1>you got chased out?
<v Speaker 2>What happened. There's a certain area here in West Virginia
<v Speaker 2>that we have a clan here in West Viginia. It's
<v Speaker 2>called the Yahoo and they make a Yahoo sound when
<v Speaker 2>they do their house. Well their aggressive. And I went
<v Speaker 2>in there researching one night. It was in November. I
<v Speaker 2>had been in there earlier that day with a couple
<v Speaker 2>of people. He's in there bow honey, and we were
<v Speaker 2>hunting for white tails or black bear and well the
<v Speaker 2>oldest the newest track that we found was three weeks
<v Speaker 2>old and it was a running track from my white tail.
<v Speaker 2>I saw one squirrel and it was going through the
<v Speaker 2>trees as fast as it could go. There was no birds,
<v Speaker 2>no you know, small birds. There was no turkey sounds.
<v Speaker 2>The only thing you would hear is wind going through
<v Speaker 2>the tops of the trees. Didn't even hear a chipmunk.
<v Speaker 2>And left. We left there about noon and came home
<v Speaker 2>and I went back. Probably shouldn't have went back, but
<v Speaker 2>I did. By myself, aparked my truck and I always
<v Speaker 2>turned my truck around. And I walked in and it
<v Speaker 2>was getting dark, and I heard one do that, y'all
<v Speaker 2>who called? And at that point I heard another one
<v Speaker 2>from a different place to another y'all who called, And
<v Speaker 2>then I heard a third one. Well, at this point
<v Speaker 2>they're in. I only had one lay and that was
<v Speaker 2>back to my truck because they were getting closer. And
<v Speaker 2>I know, y'all who were aggressive. I've dealt with them before,
<v Speaker 2>not in that area, but in in different areas here
<v Speaker 2>in state West Virginia. And I started out and when
<v Speaker 2>I got across the road come out and it turned
<v Speaker 2>left and then there's just twelve fourteen foot long mud hole.
<v Speaker 2>So in order to get around it, it took up
<v Speaker 2>the whole road. In order to get around it, I
<v Speaker 2>went up on the bank and started down the bank. Well,
<v Speaker 2>it was almost dark, and a tree got pushed over
<v Speaker 2>and the top of the tree knocked me off the
<v Speaker 2>bank into the mudhole. I got the message. I got
<v Speaker 2>up soak them wet. It's November here in West Virginia.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's about thirty five forty degrees. I scrambled back
<v Speaker 2>up the bank and finished running down the bank to
<v Speaker 2>where I could jump down back on the road. And
<v Speaker 2>when I got to back on top of the bank,
<v Speaker 2>I seen one of y'all who long black hair. He
<v Speaker 2>was probably fifty yards from me at this point, and
<v Speaker 2>he rowed. And when he growled, I said, I'm leaving
<v Speaker 2>in English, and I laughed. Well, I had a handgun
<v Speaker 2>with me at the time, and that's all I had.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to push the issue. I don't try
<v Speaker 2>to push the issue with them. And I went out
<v Speaker 2>to the truck, got in my truck and drove home
<v Speaker 2>with the heater on high. Got home and I'm covered
<v Speaker 2>in red clay mud. And my wife laughed at me
<v Speaker 2>and said, what was it? She said, she said, you'll
<v Speaker 2>learn your lesson one word or the other, you'll quit
<v Speaker 2>playing with these things. And well, I haven't quit yet,
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't learn my lesson.
<v Speaker 1>Right, not yet? Huh okay. So what do you think
<v Speaker 1>is the best method for trying to get like audio
<v Speaker 1>of these creatures? Like if you're trying to hang up
<v Speaker 1>an audio every quarder in a tree, Like where's the
<v Speaker 1>best place to put this in? Like above those balls
<v Speaker 1>by water? What do you think.
<v Speaker 2>The best place to get audio for a bigfoot is
<v Speaker 2>near the balls. If you put it near like a creek,
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have that creek down in there. In any
<v Speaker 2>auto you'll get will be suspect. That's just because people
<v Speaker 2>always questioned anything from bigfoot. But put it near those
<v Speaker 2>thick balls and there'll be a tell tale signs that
<v Speaker 2>they're in there. Hey, you know you have tree bows,
<v Speaker 2>you might have structures built in it, and you might
<v Speaker 2>find bones, you know, from deer or you know other
<v Speaker 2>game that you know we use humans don't. And if
<v Speaker 2>you find a pile of bones, just be wary of
<v Speaker 2>where you're at. And always and I always cause some
<v Speaker 2>people you need to be armed. It's not only the
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot you got to worry about, but you've got predators
<v Speaker 2>out there that will take advantage of you if you
<v Speaker 2>make a mistake. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. What do you think these tree bows mean or
<v Speaker 1>the arches as other people.
<v Speaker 2>Say there, they kind of have a dual meaning. I
<v Speaker 2>think their their notification to other Bigfoot that may be
<v Speaker 2>coming through that area that there's a clan there, and
<v Speaker 2>they also give direction to the clan members, like if
<v Speaker 2>it's if there's a series of bows it tells them
<v Speaker 2>there might be water this way or a certain food
<v Speaker 2>source this way, depending on the type of trees that
<v Speaker 2>are bent. And it's but it's usually a cost on
<v Speaker 2>other bigfoot, this is our area to stay out. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I would agree with that for sure. It seems
<v Speaker 1>like they got multiple meanings and I think they're like
<v Speaker 1>a language and directional markers. But not only that, like
<v Speaker 1>there's things that we can't see, like they leave their
<v Speaker 1>scent on it, kind of like when a buck rubs
<v Speaker 1>a tree. I feel like they can go by and
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, you know, little Timmy was here, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the big males here. I'm just saying, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they got names, but do you think
<v Speaker 1>they have like an distinct language like humans do.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they have their own language. Everybody talks about the
<v Speaker 2>Sierra sounds. I've heard those sounds. It's not and I've
<v Speaker 2>heard it in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and North Carolina, Kentucky.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard them all use a form of sound that
<v Speaker 2>is a language for them. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. One thing I've noticed, like one area that they
<v Speaker 1>would like to hang out in. And I know you
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the bulls. It's like when a river's snaking around
<v Speaker 1>and it does like that big like ox bowe. I've
<v Speaker 1>noticed that they're in those areas for some reason.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's usually a game rich area when it's
<v Speaker 2>an oxbow, because deer will go into that and they're
<v Speaker 2>protected from the rear and all they have to do is,
<v Speaker 2>you know, sneak out one way or the other. And
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot uses that to their advantage because if a deer
<v Speaker 2>goes across the river, there's probably one or two on
<v Speaker 2>the other side of waiting on them to come out.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, they get their you know, they get their
<v Speaker 2>meat that way.
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think they go close to town and
<v Speaker 1>people's driveways or I've even seen it like in areas
<v Speaker 1>that are populating and they just got like this strip
<v Speaker 1>of woods that goes behind like a big neighborhood. Like
<v Speaker 1>why do they get in areas like that? What's your opinion?
<v Speaker 2>It's easy food people put the trash out every day,
<v Speaker 2>don't food cat food people have fruit trees in the yards.
<v Speaker 2>It's easy for them to get food that way. And
<v Speaker 2>plus they like watching us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree. Why do you think they like
<v Speaker 1>watching people?
<v Speaker 2>We are their television?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I imagine it gets pretty boring out there, and
<v Speaker 1>when they see people like fighting, arguing, kids playing, it's
<v Speaker 1>like interesting to them. Yeah yeah, I mean I'd like
<v Speaker 1>to watch like a documentary where they like recreate the
<v Speaker 1>life of the Bigfoot. I imagine that's what it would
<v Speaker 1>be like for sasquatch watching us and real life. Yeah
<v Speaker 1>it is, m hm, Okay, let's see. What do you
<v Speaker 1>think the axes mean? Have you ever found the X structures?
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you have exes. The exes I've found mean
<v Speaker 2>don't go here. Uh. It's a warning either to the
<v Speaker 2>clan or to other bigfoot don't come here. And it's
<v Speaker 2>usually from a very possessed alpha male. It doesn't.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the alpha male is definitely territorial and they're
<v Speaker 1>dangerous if you come across them.
<v Speaker 2>Would you agree an alpha male? The best way to
<v Speaker 2>think about alpha males is act like they're a general
<v Speaker 2>and that's the way they act. The very smart all
<v Speaker 2>big foot smart. And when it comes to the alpha male, uh,
<v Speaker 2>you never want upsetting, and if you do, you're gonna
<v Speaker 2>have one thousand pounds two year old to deal with.
<v Speaker 2>They get mad. Don't run, but find your way back
<v Speaker 2>to your vehicle and leave here. You quite a long.
<v Speaker 1>How do you know if you're in the presence of
<v Speaker 1>an alpha male, Like if you don't see him, he'll
<v Speaker 1>be like pushing over trees, like ground stomping.
<v Speaker 2>He will demonstrate to you. He'll beat his chest, he
<v Speaker 2>will push trees over, he'll throw large rocks at you,
<v Speaker 2>tree limbs, and he'll growl, and it's a very very
<v Speaker 2>deep growl. It's just he lets you know he's mad
<v Speaker 2>real quick. He doesn't play games. He lets you know
<v Speaker 2>in very short order that you're in trouble.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. I interviewed a guest in the past
<v Speaker 1>and he's not alive anymore. But he was an old trapper.
<v Speaker 1>He would set out these traps and he thinks that
<v Speaker 1>he was catching bigfoot in the traps because they were disappearing.
<v Speaker 1>So he started chaining up the traps to like these
<v Speaker 1>big logs. And he said he'd go to check the
<v Speaker 1>traps and the log and the trap would be gone.
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like something carried off the log. Well, he
<v Speaker 1>noticed that something took his blue healer and he thinks
<v Speaker 1>it was one of them, and they kept trying to
<v Speaker 1>get his new blue healer that he had, and they
<v Speaker 1>would come up to his trailer at nighttime, and that's
<v Speaker 1>why he would describe as this really low growl that
<v Speaker 1>sounded like a lion or like a demon. They weren't happy.
<v Speaker 1>They'd be looking through his window. But I'm not sure
<v Speaker 1>what happened to him. I never really figured that out,
<v Speaker 1>but just we think either had a heart attack like
<v Speaker 1>these things showed up, or it was just natural causes.
<v Speaker 1>But two weeks before he passed away, he claimed that
<v Speaker 1>there was one outside in his yard and it had
<v Speaker 1>his dog and a bear hug and his dog was
<v Speaker 1>like biting it and it got free, and he shot
<v Speaker 1>it with a shotgun and you could see like the
<v Speaker 1>tracks in the grass and it went through the tall
<v Speaker 1>the tall grass out of the yard, and where it
<v Speaker 1>went into the woods, there was like a hole like
<v Speaker 1>in the woods. I mean, you can clearly see it.
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's pretty strange that he shot at
<v Speaker 1>one and two weeks later they found him dead.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it don't sound strange to me, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've went to people's homes and helped them with these
<v Speaker 2>hairy creatures and they are just they can be very destructive.
<v Speaker 2>Kill all your chickens, your dogs, your cats, horses, cows,
<v Speaker 2>and because they I believe they think they own the
<v Speaker 2>wayne it's theirs, not yours, then I would agree with that.
<v Speaker 2>There they can be very mean when they want to be.
<v Speaker 1>I've noticed certain plans they're like really respectful. They'll go
<v Speaker 1>their own way. They like hardly ever scream or vocalize
<v Speaker 1>or even tree knock, and if you see them, it's
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, no human. And then there's other places
<v Speaker 1>where these things are just like evil, like they'll kill
<v Speaker 1>your dogs, they'll kill every deer around. They'll be looking
<v Speaker 1>in your window, like jumping on.
<v Speaker 2>The roof like they're not friendly. Yeah, the quant the
<v Speaker 2>types of clans like that. Nine times out of ten,
<v Speaker 2>somebody has done something to them to make them angry
<v Speaker 2>towards humans. They've either shot at them, they killed when
<v Speaker 2>they're young, They've done something in that way. They've kept
<v Speaker 2>them from eating and stuff like that. People don't know
<v Speaker 2>what you're doing. Mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 1>One big thing I noticed is when people log an area,
<v Speaker 1>they end up having problems later on. Not always, but sometimes.
<v Speaker 2>They when when they go in and they it's a
<v Speaker 2>selective cut an area. Bigfoot doesn't seem to bind too
<v Speaker 2>much but they clear cut it. It sets them off
<v Speaker 2>because now they don't have their house, and that's the
<v Speaker 2>big thing, you know, they as their ability to hide.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Is there any way to
<v Speaker 1>make peace with these creatures if they do become upset?
<v Speaker 2>Making peace with them you can. There's things you can
<v Speaker 2>do to make them leave, but making peace.
<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, what can you do to make them leave?
<v Speaker 2>Set flash things? And he bays being the military. Interesting
<v Speaker 2>the thing is he said them up and let them
<v Speaker 2>walk into them. They get the message.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One time we called in a group of Sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>in the Mark Twain National Forests and it was actually
<v Speaker 1>pretty wild because we looked around the property owner's place
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't really find too much. We found some
<v Speaker 1>tracks down at the creek bottom. You could tell where
<v Speaker 1>one stepped like in the sand, and I mean it
<v Speaker 1>was pretty deep impression. But that was about it. Whenever
<v Speaker 1>we came across that track, we heard a loud thump
<v Speaker 1>just and we were like, oh, that's weird. And I
<v Speaker 1>told my buddy, I was like, dude, I would hear
<v Speaker 1>that whenever I had my bigfoot encounters. That's them. But
<v Speaker 1>nothing else happened that whole entire day. We just found
<v Speaker 1>what seemed to be some tracks, and we heard that
<v Speaker 1>thump right when it got dark, or let me rewind.
<v Speaker 1>Before it got dark, one of my friends was like
<v Speaker 1>cutting down trees with the chainsaw. He had the chainsaw going,
<v Speaker 1>and then we had some tannerite and we shot the
<v Speaker 1>tannerite with an ak and it made this loud boom.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was. It sounded like a sonic boom,
<v Speaker 1>and you could hear it like move through the entire
<v Speaker 1>valley like it sounded like it zipped up for miles,
<v Speaker 1>like the boom traveled. And then right before it got dark,
<v Speaker 1>we made a fire. The smoke got up in the
<v Speaker 1>air and we were adding logs to it, and then
<v Speaker 1>we did calls right before it got dark, and they
<v Speaker 1>actually came in. But I think for some reason, like
<v Speaker 1>the tannerite made the matter, that the sounds of a chainsaw,
<v Speaker 1>or maybe just a combination of everything I explained. I
<v Speaker 1>don't really know, but I was shocked that they came in.
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, everything you just said, and that's why they came.
<v Speaker 2>That mild noise chainslaw going. They wanted to know what
<v Speaker 2>you were doing, what you were about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it shocked me. I couldn't believe that they came in. Basically,
<v Speaker 1>they were just like wood knocking, breaking limbs and walking
<v Speaker 1>around like the edge of the woods. And one pushed
<v Speaker 1>over a tree. It almost seemed like the tree was
<v Speaker 1>gonna fall on me. But then like when I look back,
<v Speaker 1>nothing happened. I don't know how to explain it. It was
<v Speaker 1>too dark to tell, but I was basically staying at
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the woods and it was at or
<v Speaker 1>I was staying at the edge of the yard, and
<v Speaker 1>it was at the edge of the woods, and it
<v Speaker 1>was too dark. It was cloudy out at night. But
<v Speaker 1>he was right there. I mean, I would say ten
<v Speaker 1>or twenty feet right in front of me. And I
<v Speaker 1>stood there in front of him for like an hour.
<v Speaker 1>It was weird because he just stood there like I
<v Speaker 1>would throw apples at him, and he didn't need any
<v Speaker 1>of the apples. But I did tell him to like
<v Speaker 1>wood knock. I told him to push over a tree.
<v Speaker 1>He didn't do it right away, but he did do
<v Speaker 1>it like five ten minutes later. I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>he knew what I was saying, but it was weird.
<v Speaker 1>It was definitely weird. There was a group of people
<v Speaker 1>there that experienced it with me, so I could call
<v Speaker 1>them and they tell you the same story. It was cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he was, he was listening to you. They
<v Speaker 2>can I believe they can understand us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, like when you told that one
<v Speaker 1>that you're leaving. I think it like it could understand
<v Speaker 1>like your body language or I don't know, they can
<v Speaker 1>feel us out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now, I have heard encounters where people, like when they're
<v Speaker 1>little kids. It's mainly like when like young girls, they'll
<v Speaker 1>like play with these juveniles. I think that's pretty interesting,
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that a juvenile would want to play
<v Speaker 1>with the human child and they're kind and a lot
<v Speaker 1>of times like the mother's with it. And I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if also heard stories where they'll save people, like
<v Speaker 1>if someone's lost out in the woods or somebody who's
<v Speaker 1>a little little bitty kid and they got lost out
<v Speaker 1>there and these things brought them back. What do you
<v Speaker 1>think about that, Well.
<v Speaker 2>It's not surprising. It's not surprising to me. I've heard them. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to kids, there's no threat, So you know,
<v Speaker 2>want clans that are got little ones, the mothers, the
<v Speaker 2>big females, they'll watch over them. They're they're protective over them.
<v Speaker 2>If you get too close to them, they'll come out
<v Speaker 2>and let you know. But when it comes to kids,
<v Speaker 2>there's no threat. You know, they're not carrying a rifle,
<v Speaker 2>they're not carrying something that that those big females have
<v Speaker 2>to worry about. So if if they're young or not
<v Speaker 2>the same size as a kid, they'll let them interact
<v Speaker 2>and there's no issue. But now if an adult comes
<v Speaker 2>into the scene, they heard the little ones together and
<v Speaker 2>get them out there quick. I've had reports over the
<v Speaker 2>years of a couple I think of one right now.
<v Speaker 2>Two young boys were playing in the woods and told
<v Speaker 2>their mom and dad that they were playing with a
<v Speaker 2>friend of theirs. They kept saying it was a black kid. Why,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. They don't care. It doesn't make any difference.
<v Speaker 2>And one day the dad went looking for him in
<v Speaker 2>the woods. They were late coming back for their their
<v Speaker 2>lunch and the dad was on vacation that week and
<v Speaker 2>he was home doing stuff around the aus, and the
<v Speaker 2>wife said, they go get the kids. He went walking
<v Speaker 2>over the woods and when he found them, he saw
<v Speaker 2>a large female and her young was there playing like
<v Speaker 2>cowboys and Indians with their boat with his dude's sons,
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was a strange thing to hear
<v Speaker 2>to me because I've dealt mainly with the large ones.
<v Speaker 2>And but I don't think they have any problem with
<v Speaker 2>when it's kids. It's just whenever there's an adult human there,
<v Speaker 2>they seem to have you know, they they become secret
<v Speaker 2>of all of a sudden. They don't want anything that
<v Speaker 2>they don't seem to want to interact with a man
<v Speaker 2>or a woman. But little boys, little girls, Yeah, they
<v Speaker 2>don't have a problem for it. You know, there's no threat. Adults.
<v Speaker 2>Humans are a threat. You know, people have shoted these
<v Speaker 2>things for how long has this been a country two
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty years or more three hundred years since
<v Speaker 2>you know the settlers that came from Europe came here
<v Speaker 2>and introduced firearms. So they don't have a problem with
<v Speaker 2>the kids. It's just those adults.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree. And I've been really wanting to
<v Speaker 1>get video footage and I have to be like famous
<v Speaker 1>or make money. Like people tell me all the time
<v Speaker 1>that I'm an idiot. These things don't exist. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about family, so it really kind of pisses
<v Speaker 1>me off. But I'd like to get video footage because
<v Speaker 1>I know they're around. How do you think that would
<v Speaker 1>be the best way to go about that? What do
<v Speaker 1>you think I should do.
<v Speaker 2>The same thing that we used to do. That I
<v Speaker 2>used to do with a friend of mine, he was
<v Speaker 2>a fellow investigator. We we're still friends today. But find
<v Speaker 2>an area where there have been sightings, find that ball,
<v Speaker 2>walk around that bault where you think they're laying. Well,
<v Speaker 2>it takes two of you, and when there's two of you,
<v Speaker 2>you take either cameras, you know, video cameras or something
<v Speaker 2>of that nature. And this is kind of a trade secret,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't care. I mean, I've used it multiple
<v Speaker 2>times when we got pictures. And usually what it is
<v Speaker 2>two of you walk together into that area where you
<v Speaker 2>believe them to be hiding during today, and you stop
<v Speaker 2>behind the bigger tree that you can find. It will
<v Speaker 2>cover both of them. One of you walks out and
<v Speaker 2>walks fifteen hundred feet and stop behind a tree when
<v Speaker 2>they lose sight of you. Now, the whole time you're walking,
<v Speaker 2>you got a camera and you point in the area
<v Speaker 2>of where you think these things are, and they will
<v Speaker 2>watch you. I've seen them stand up behind big trees
<v Speaker 2>and just enough to where they can see you, and
<v Speaker 2>they'll come around the tree. Well, the person that's still stationary,
<v Speaker 2>we'll get video evidence of this creature walking around the tree,
<v Speaker 2>hiding from this other person. And then whenever you use
<v Speaker 2>that person stops. Person was left in the back starts forward.
<v Speaker 2>Now the creature has to reverse. A person that's hidden
<v Speaker 2>can now get video or pictures. And we had fifty
<v Speaker 2>sixty pictures of Bigfoot with polaroids. And if you got
<v Speaker 2>a video camera or a GoPro or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>now that you can take video, it'll still work because
<v Speaker 2>it throws them off like one and they can't figure
<v Speaker 2>out where they are. And now they got their pinpoint
<v Speaker 2>on this one person and the other person gets your video.
<v Speaker 1>I've actually noticed that we've talked about that before, and
<v Speaker 1>we'd be walking together in forrest and we've always noticed
<v Speaker 1>that when we split off from each other, something happens,
<v Speaker 1>like a wood knock or you start hearing something by
<v Speaker 1>a pedal walking. It's like, yeah, we started to pick
<v Speaker 1>up on that, like anytime we split up, something happens.
<v Speaker 2>It's one big Foot. It's probably one of the ones
<v Speaker 2>everybody that we call the watchers, and he's trying to
<v Speaker 2>keep both of you in his sight, and he's trying
<v Speaker 2>to figure out what you're doing because you split up.
<v Speaker 2>Now there's two threats instead of just one. And when
<v Speaker 2>it's a double threat, they will either get up and leave,
<v Speaker 2>or they'll play the sneaking. They'll sneak around and try
<v Speaker 2>to keep both of you, you know, one time, keep
<v Speaker 2>tabs on both of the same time, and that's when
<v Speaker 2>me make mistakes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. What do you think would be
<v Speaker 1>the best thing to feed these things if you want
<v Speaker 1>them to like come into your audio recorders? Have you
<v Speaker 1>noticed anything?
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, is best not to feed them at
<v Speaker 2>all because in an area and you put out Now,
<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine, a fellow investigator out of Michigan,
<v Speaker 2>he's put out peanut butter for him, and he'll take
<v Speaker 2>a big jar of peanut butter, put the little take
<v Speaker 2>the whole paple thing off, put the lid on it,
<v Speaker 2>and set it down on the woods. And he's done this.
<v Speaker 2>He don't do it now because it caused trouble. And
<v Speaker 2>he'll go back a week later and it's the big
<v Speaker 2>plastic jars and the lids back on it and it's empty.
<v Speaker 2>How'd that happen. He's got recordings of them walking in
<v Speaker 2>and making them you know, grunts and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>take figuring out how to get the lid off. You
<v Speaker 2>can hear the lid coming off, and then they'll eat
<v Speaker 2>the peanut butter. But it's always creamy peanut butter, not
<v Speaker 2>trinky peanut butter. They seem to love creamy peanut butter.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so things can go wrong if you're feeding these creatures.
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to call it gifting. That sounds like
<v Speaker 1>I don't like pagan guys or something. You're leaving gifts
<v Speaker 1>for the gods. I call it feeding.
<v Speaker 2>Well, even if you're not giving in the food, if
<v Speaker 2>you go in and put a little trinkets out, stuff
<v Speaker 2>the little ones mate like little stuff, toy stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>If you keep doing it for an extended period of
<v Speaker 2>time and then all of a sudden you have to stop,
<v Speaker 2>it upsets it because you're used to it. Once they
<v Speaker 2>become used to something that you stop it. Now you
<v Speaker 2>got that two thousand pounds two year olds to deal with.
<v Speaker 2>And a lady Indiana found out the hard way not
<v Speaker 2>to do that because I got a phone call from
<v Speaker 2>her and she said, to what do what I need
<v Speaker 2>to do to get rid of this thing, because she
<v Speaker 2>was feeding it. She was putting apples out, grapes, bananas,
<v Speaker 2>all this other stuff, and she got sick. And once
<v Speaker 2>she got sick, she had to go to hospitals. She
<v Speaker 2>couldn't go out and feed it for about a month.
<v Speaker 2>And when she started to do it again, it chased
<v Speaker 2>her back to the house and I had to tell
<v Speaker 2>her what to do to get rid of to make
<v Speaker 2>it understanding it's no longer one to day.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that makes sense, And I've told that people.
<v Speaker 1>I've told that to people before, like if you get
<v Speaker 1>these things or feed them, one day, you could become
<v Speaker 1>that gift you never know.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, bigfoot are super strong. They're very smart.
<v Speaker 2>I believe they're on the same level and have the
<v Speaker 2>same mental capacity that humans do. They can solve problems,
<v Speaker 2>no problem at all. They can figure it out. You know,
<v Speaker 2>opening a peanut butter jar is not a major thing
<v Speaker 2>for us to do, but we've done it for thousands
<v Speaker 2>of years or you know how long we've been opening jars,
<v Speaker 2>and they figured out. They're very smart. And when it
<v Speaker 2>comes to all these people that fed these creatures, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm an advocate. Don't give them anything. They have a
<v Speaker 2>way of life. Let them live their lives. And when
<v Speaker 2>you make it easy on them, they get used to
<v Speaker 2>it real quick and that creates dependency upon you. And
<v Speaker 2>if you stop it now they're mad at every human
<v Speaker 2>and they'll take it out on anyone. But there are
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot out there that I think they predate upon humans,
<v Speaker 2>not out of necessy, but because we make so many mistakes.
<v Speaker 2>When you're out in the woods, people go out hiking,
<v Speaker 2>they do something wrong and break the leg. You're an
<v Speaker 2>easy meal, a couple of meals, two or three meals
<v Speaker 2>for that bigfoot. Not everybody that disappears that has disappeared
<v Speaker 2>over the years in these national forest it's because they
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to disappear, or you know, they wanted to
<v Speaker 2>commit suicide or something like that. Bigfoot has had their
<v Speaker 2>hands in taking people and it's been documented.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you believe that they will feed on people. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I would tend.
<v Speaker 2>To agree with that.
<v Speaker 1>And there's been some strange reports out here in the
<v Speaker 1>Ozarks of hunters going missing, and they make up these
<v Speaker 1>bogus stories, try to cover it up. But yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>hard to say. I mean, yeah, I would I would
<v Speaker 1>think that a lot of people go missing or you know,
<v Speaker 1>maybe it has something to do with drugs or mental health,
<v Speaker 1>but in some cases it's just unusual and possibly some
<v Speaker 1>type of crypto that got them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's there's no there's no question in my mind
<v Speaker 2>that if you're an easy mark for one of these creatures,
<v Speaker 2>they'll take advantage of it real quick, no question. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, people taste like pork, so they like to
<v Speaker 2>steal pigs. You can put two and two together and
<v Speaker 2>it comes out the fourth. It's not a hard thing
<v Speaker 2>to get to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The strangest stories I've heard from like Dave Clydaes
<v Speaker 1>and the Missing Forward one is like families that are
<v Speaker 1>walking out there on trails out in the woods and
<v Speaker 1>they look back and there's their kid. They look forward
<v Speaker 1>and look back again and the kid's gone, and that
<v Speaker 1>happens over and over. That seems like to be like
<v Speaker 1>a repetitive thing, like a common theme with missing people,
<v Speaker 1>Like they literally just saw their kid, look back and
<v Speaker 1>he's gone, And I mean they search the entire area
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes like their belongings, like their clothes or their
<v Speaker 1>bodies found like miles and miles away. It's like, how
<v Speaker 1>would somebody get that far eight miles?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The biggest issue when it comes to when we
<v Speaker 2>start when people go out and somebody comes up missing.
<v Speaker 2>When they go out and looking for him, they don't
<v Speaker 2>look up. They're looking on the ground for foot grints,
<v Speaker 2>boot greens, they're looking down for clothing, audience, and when
<v Speaker 2>they do that, they never look up. These bigfoot creatures
<v Speaker 2>are known to travel through the tree. When I go
<v Speaker 2>out with other big foot investigators, I tell him, spend
<v Speaker 2>half the time as you hit up looking uh, even
<v Speaker 2>at not you might see one sitting there in a
<v Speaker 2>crotch of a tree or hanging off the side of
<v Speaker 2>the tree, if they don't stay on the ground all
<v Speaker 2>the time.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's good to know. Let's see what else would
<v Speaker 1>you like to talk about? Do you have any questions
<v Speaker 1>for me? What else would you like to cover?
<v Speaker 2>Whatever you want to talk about, I'm open going Okay.
<v Speaker 1>I have noticed with the juveniles there's two different ones.
<v Speaker 1>I seen. One was a really good encounter up the
<v Speaker 1>road here, and he kind of scarried on all fours,
<v Speaker 1>stood up and slowly hid behind the tree. And when
<v Speaker 1>he stood up and hid behind the tree, it was
<v Speaker 1>like slow motion, like he made it real slow. But
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see him until he popped back out again.
<v Speaker 1>But once he realized I was there, like he like
<v Speaker 1>poofed behind the tree like that. But what I find
<v Speaker 1>strange is like when he went behind the tree, I
<v Speaker 1>was looking to the left and to the right of it.
<v Speaker 1>He was just gone, Like how did he do that?
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear him run off or anything.
<v Speaker 2>He even went up the tree and you didn't look up.
<v Speaker 2>He stood up there and wait until you left. Or
<v Speaker 2>they get on the ground, and it looked like big spiders.
<v Speaker 2>And when they go into that mode, they can get
<v Speaker 2>away from me very stealthily. Leaves a little bit of wind.
<v Speaker 2>We'll hide the sound of one walking away. We've had
<v Speaker 2>big males, big females get behind a big oak tree,
<v Speaker 2>and even if you're trying to, you know, get a
<v Speaker 2>better angle on them, they'll keep that tree between you
<v Speaker 2>and them. You don't never see them walk off and
<v Speaker 2>never hear They don't just walk into a portal. They
<v Speaker 2>don't walk into any of us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I never did look up those summertimes. So maybe
<v Speaker 1>it popped up the tree super fast, But that was
<v Speaker 1>kind of my impression that it like spider crawled away
<v Speaker 1>and kept the tree in between me and me. And
<v Speaker 1>it so hard to say that they are lightning fast.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there their ability in the woods. We can't equally.
<v Speaker 2>We always make mistakes, make sound, They don't make stands long,
<v Speaker 2>and they want to get away from you. They're very quiet. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why why most people never see one
<v Speaker 1>is because the noise that they're making. Even if they
<v Speaker 1>think they're being quiet, these things are, you know, five
<v Speaker 1>ten steps ahead of them every time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I think just sometimes they get distracted, and sometimes people
<v Speaker 1>will see one crossing the road when they're driving, or
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're hiking and they see one walk off like
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's the only thing I can think of. It
<v Speaker 1>was distracted or it wanted you to see it, like
<v Speaker 1>it led you away from its little ones or something.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. And that's generally they even make a mistake, which
<v Speaker 2>is not very often, or they will they want you
<v Speaker 2>to see them, so you'll leave that area, and that's
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. Let's see. I don't know, do
<v Speaker 1>you have any other experiences? Is he'd like to share
<v Speaker 1>anything like that? I don't want to hold you up
<v Speaker 1>for too long.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've seen thirty eight of them over the years. Yeah, well,
<v Speaker 2>pretty benign. I've had, you know, some instances of I
<v Speaker 2>went and helped one lady and her husband and the
<v Speaker 2>only reason this creature was coming around because she had
<v Speaker 2>belonged to him. She's pretty and she would go out
<v Speaker 2>cutting the grass in the summertime and shorts and I
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't call it a T shirt. I wouldn't call it
<v Speaker 2>a tank top. Something along the lines of dental foss
<v Speaker 2>was probably better. I think some of them take a
<v Speaker 2>liking to certain women. But that bigfoot was just there
<v Speaker 2>to watch her, and the hardest part was getting her
<v Speaker 2>to understand that she was the cause of this creature
<v Speaker 2>coming around. Both of them had seen it. It whistled
<v Speaker 2>at her multiple times. It appeared standing in the backyard
<v Speaker 2>watching her cut grass. The husband saw it at that time,
<v Speaker 2>and I had to go there and set some flashbangs
<v Speaker 2>up for him and make this pre You're understand that
<v Speaker 2>it was not wanted there, and she did not want
<v Speaker 2>to be it's mate. I believe that was why it
<v Speaker 2>was there. It wanted a mate.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying to think about. So they will target
<v Speaker 1>certain individuals that's for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, Well, I'm definitely gonna try the technique that
<v Speaker 1>you told me about where I'll go out there with
<v Speaker 1>another person and we'll walk together and one person will
<v Speaker 1>hide behind the tree and I'll walk further and we'll
<v Speaker 1>both have cameras and kind of see if that works.
<v Speaker 1>Definitely have to try it in a bigfoot area where
<v Speaker 1>we think they're at and where there's been past reports.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you'll get I believe you should be able
<v Speaker 2>to duplicate what we did, shouldn't have any trouble, and
<v Speaker 2>the amount of noise you make them you don't have
<v Speaker 2>to worry about too much. You just don't make a
<v Speaker 2>lot of noise, but make sure you carry something with
<v Speaker 2>you to protect yourselves. That's one thing I definitely will strengths. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Do you think it's better to walk like on
<v Speaker 1>old logging roads and trails or like deep out in
<v Speaker 1>the woods, Because if you're deep out in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>you're stepping on sticks, brush leaves, and on trails. I
<v Speaker 1>feel like you can be real quiet and you're still
<v Speaker 1>cutting through the deep woods.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Well, they don't use the trails
<v Speaker 2>that we do, they'll use a deer trail that's fairly open.
<v Speaker 2>They will give them old logging roads and all clothes.
<v Speaker 2>So it's you gotta let them dictate to you where
<v Speaker 2>they are, and you just want to go around the outskirts.
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to walk through the middle of there.
<v Speaker 2>There place to hide, because you walk through the middle
<v Speaker 2>and they just leave, they don't stay. You'll never get anything.
<v Speaker 2>So you've got to walk around the outside of the
<v Speaker 2>bowl and draw their attention to you, and if you
<v Speaker 2>can do that, you'll get videos. Yeah, so all walking
<v Speaker 2>roads are forced to grow pretty much rolled up hiking
<v Speaker 2>trails and not so much.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I'll try that. And my goal instead of
<v Speaker 1>just like finding these creatures, I mean that'd be great too,
<v Speaker 1>but like to have them come into camp. I think
<v Speaker 1>that would be the ultimate goal, to have them come
<v Speaker 1>to you. And I've had that happen before here where
<v Speaker 1>I live and that property owner's place in the Mark
<v Speaker 1>twenty National Forest where I told you I stood by one.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like they'll come up to people's properties. But
<v Speaker 1>I've also taken reports from people on the show where
<v Speaker 1>they were just camping at a campsite and these things
<v Speaker 1>came up and like ate with them and kind of
<v Speaker 1>hung out, which I don't know if they are true stories,
<v Speaker 1>but the thing is I've gotten multiple reports from people
<v Speaker 1>about that happening, Like they'll just come in and just
<v Speaker 1>start eating the food, like like a wild animal.
<v Speaker 2>Basically, well, well it cotch the Bigfoot. If you got
<v Speaker 2>food there and you tick them out on the grill,
<v Speaker 2>they can surmeut from long ways off and they'll come
<v Speaker 2>and investigate. They will typically wait till you go to bed,
<v Speaker 2>and if you eat anything out, they'll come up. Need it.
<v Speaker 2>The best way that I found to get evidence of bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>If there's four or five of you together, just sit back,
<v Speaker 2>talk like a joke, may you know, just have a
<v Speaker 2>good time, you know, eat hamburgers, hot dogs, all that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>They like. They will come in because of the smells
<v Speaker 2>and the sounds, and they want to know what you're doing.
<v Speaker 2>And if there's kids around the morn were married her.
<v Speaker 2>They love watching kids because kids are always moving. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Okay, Well I think that pretty well covers everything. Well,
<v Speaker 1>not thing, because he said he got like thirty something encounters,
<v Speaker 1>but I mean everything that I feel like is important
<v Speaker 1>to share in a podcast, and this helps me understand
<v Speaker 1>these creatures better and your experiences and how to approach
<v Speaker 1>them out in the woods. And I think the biggest
<v Speaker 1>takeaway from speaking with you is to definitely be careful,
<v Speaker 1>bring a firearm out there, and always be mindful that
<v Speaker 1>these creatures are like a thousand pounds two year old.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's you. Always want to be safe, never take chances.
<v Speaker 2>I did, and I've paid for it quite a few
<v Speaker 2>different times.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Old Beart, I appreciate your time, and yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it was a pleasure speaking with you. And if you
<v Speaker 1>ever want to talk again in the future, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>have me on your show. I'd definitely be up for it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, all right, I'll go ahead a whole of
<v Speaker 2>you and we'll talk about cum on my show.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that sounds great to me. And yeah, you have
<v Speaker 1>yourself an excellent weekend, and you take care of my friend.
<v Speaker 1>You have the day you two sailor, right right,