Donkey Kong Bananza Initially Planned for Switch 1

<v Speaker 1>You got me bad.
<v Speaker 2>Hey everybody, welcome to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff Grub,
<v Speaker 2>your host from giant bomb dot com. Thank you for
<v Speaker 2>tuning in. In this episode, we're gonna be talking about
<v Speaker 2>a ton of Donkey Kong Bonanza news and how Subnautica
<v Speaker 2>Tooth publisher might be screwing with that game. It's going
<v Speaker 2>to be a good one because we have Jan and
<v Speaker 2>Choa on the show. Jen, how are you doing.
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great. I used the gym in my apartment
<v Speaker 3>today for the first time, and then of course there
<v Speaker 3>was no one in there. It was great. I was
<v Speaker 3>getting the pump on, I was a getting the walk on.
<v Speaker 3>And then as soon as I decided to calm down
<v Speaker 3>on the treadmill walk a quick mile empty Jim, pretty
<v Speaker 3>fairly big Jim, someone else rolls in. I see that
<v Speaker 3>they're ready to get running. They go on the treadmill
<v Speaker 3>right next to me.
<v Speaker 2>Why, of course, yeah, I don't know. I definitely would
<v Speaker 2>never do that, and I kind of don't understand. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>people have their there's there's set ways, like maybe that's
<v Speaker 2>what they always do. I don't know, they always use
<v Speaker 2>that treadmill. But other other than that, I kind of.
<v Speaker 2>I can't figure out any justifications for that.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>I do always use the urinal right next to yours
<v Speaker 2>when you're going, oh yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's the only way I feel safe.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the buddy system, of course, but that's that's a
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<v Speaker 2>the show with Crafton pushes Subnautica to release to twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty six.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Sophie McAvoy at Games Industry Ibiz.
<v Speaker 2>Unknown Worlds has delayed Subnautica two to next year to
<v Speaker 2>quote give the development team more time to implement community feedback,
<v Speaker 2>as reported by Eurogamer, The studio's parent company, Crafton, clarified
<v Speaker 2>the decision was made prior to recent leadership changes.
<v Speaker 1>Last week.
<v Speaker 2>Crafton said the delay was based solely on its commitment
<v Speaker 2>to quality into delivering the best possible experience for players,
<v Speaker 2>and not quote influenced by any contractual or financial considerations.
<v Speaker 2>This comes after Bloomberg reviewed a purchase agreement that allegedly
<v Speaker 2>stated at a two hundred and fifty million dollar bonus
<v Speaker 2>was planned if the studio hit certain revenue targets by
<v Speaker 2>the end of this year. Sources told the publication that
<v Speaker 2>the former leadership team I had to share the additional
<v Speaker 2>money with all the studio's employees. They also claim that
<v Speaker 2>the staff who were at the company at the time
<v Speaker 2>of Crafton's acquisition were told they were eligible for bonuses
<v Speaker 2>ranging from hundreds of thousands of dollars to seven figures.
<v Speaker 2>Unknown World's new CEO, Steve Paputis Yeah addressed these issues
<v Speaker 2>in a company town Hall, also reviewed by Bloomberg. The
<v Speaker 2>desire of Crafton is to have the very best version
<v Speaker 2>of some Subnautica two available for its early access, said Papootis.
<v Speaker 2>While yes, the software that everybody worked on is in
<v Speaker 2>a great spot and felt like, hey, we should launch this,
<v Speaker 2>this wasn't where both parties aligned around.
<v Speaker 1>Jan I think this is about the money.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it is.
<v Speaker 1>About the money.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I've heard it's about the money, and kind
<v Speaker 2>of feel pretty confident to say this publisher is not
<v Speaker 2>being forthright about this. It's been alleged to me that
<v Speaker 2>they're not being forthright about this. And if they delay
<v Speaker 2>the game of twenty twenty six and it cannot launch
<v Speaker 2>this year, it's not going to be able to reach
<v Speaker 2>the threshold it needs to get that to hundred fifty
<v Speaker 2>million dollar bonus. I think maybe this is even why
<v Speaker 2>those people left. I guess I don't know that for sure,
<v Speaker 2>but that definitely seems to be that lines up pretty
<v Speaker 2>closely here.
<v Speaker 1>That's uncool.
<v Speaker 3>That's very uncool, especially for a game like the original Subnoutica.
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people latched onto and became sub subnotic,
<v Speaker 3>The Subnotic heads subnotic heads and having that two hundred
<v Speaker 3>and fifty million bonus as an incentive is a great
<v Speaker 3>target to have, especially if this game is already pretty
<v Speaker 3>far along the way. But for Crafton to kind of
<v Speaker 3>pull the rug from underneath a lot of people very
<v Speaker 3>scummy rub and you can't help but feel that it
<v Speaker 3>is definitely tied to the monetary aspect. A couple of
<v Speaker 3>people in chat were even surprised that Subnoutica two was
<v Speaker 3>even announced. Maybe they had missed that. So I can't
<v Speaker 3>the excuse that the publisher of the developers trying to
<v Speaker 3>include a lot of community feedback. I don't know how
<v Speaker 3>valid that is.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that this game probably is ready. That's
<v Speaker 2>what I've heard that the early access stated's in now
<v Speaker 2>is not just like acceptable, it's pretty good, Like they
<v Speaker 2>got a game there ready to go. And so, you know,
<v Speaker 2>a good way to build on a game that's in
<v Speaker 2>that situation, especially one that you always intended to launch
<v Speaker 2>in early access, is to launch it into early access
<v Speaker 2>and then get community feedback at that point, and then
<v Speaker 2>you could pair that up with telemetry data and all
<v Speaker 2>kinds of other information about how people are actually playing
<v Speaker 2>your game. This idea that's like, well, let's go keep
<v Speaker 2>it in the oven, and that way you can't make
<v Speaker 2>the revenue.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty transparent to me at least.
<v Speaker 3>Also, Grub, I don't know where this TRENDSERD coming out
<v Speaker 3>with publishers just not releasing games when they have a
<v Speaker 3>game right there. Yeah, because generally, and again folks, I
<v Speaker 3>didn't major in economics and I'm not a business person.
<v Speaker 3>I'm a video person by trade. But in my opinion,
<v Speaker 3>if you release the game and people buy the game,
<v Speaker 3>that the people that are releasing the game get the money, right,
<v Speaker 3>So make it makes sense?
<v Speaker 1>Grubb, Yeah, it's it's it's tough to say like this.
<v Speaker 2>I suppose like this is them looking at a deal
<v Speaker 2>they already made and be like, well, we can make
<v Speaker 2>more money if we just release this game on January first,
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, and then we don't have to pay
<v Speaker 2>the money that we would oh as part of a
<v Speaker 2>former deal. We just get the money going forward. So,
<v Speaker 2>you know, two hundred and fifty million dollars saved, it
<v Speaker 2>is two hundred fifty million dollars earned in their eyes.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think in this case it's two
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty million dollars stolen from people who did
<v Speaker 2>the work, and we're doing the work with the understanding
<v Speaker 2>that they would likely be on the hook for huge
<v Speaker 2>bonuses like some like seven figure bonuses for some employees
<v Speaker 2>six figure employee and bonuses for a lot of other employees.
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, life changing money in a lot of ways,
<v Speaker 2>and that likely they have but been busting their ass
<v Speaker 2>with the idea that money would be theirs. Yeah, now
<v Speaker 2>Crafting gets to keep that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, you know, working towards some type of
<v Speaker 3>goal like the game release is one thing, but also
<v Speaker 3>having that extra incentive like you mentioned Grub, of having
<v Speaker 3>that bonus. Uh down the line, Wow, I sound like
<v Speaker 3>a robot in my ears now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you just you just went especially weird. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>uh talk a little bit more, see if the.
<v Speaker 4>Hopefully leave back into place. No is it anyway?
<v Speaker 1>No, it's just more robody.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we're just gonna keep going, then, seat craft that
<v Speaker 3>is trying to get to me. They're trying to sink
<v Speaker 3>me underwater. Crub, That's exactly what they're doing. But like
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, Grub, some jobs require you to move across
<v Speaker 3>the country or to a completely different country. Altogether, and
<v Speaker 3>then you start planning for a amount of salary in
<v Speaker 3>your budgeting grub and then you have that incentive of
<v Speaker 3>a bonus and you start planning around that bonus because
<v Speaker 3>nothing else seems like it's that is going to get
<v Speaker 3>away or whatever, and then it gets pulled away, Like
<v Speaker 3>we've been in meetings grow up where people get very
<v Speaker 3>very angry about certain bonuses or compensation getting removed, and
<v Speaker 3>not just because people aren't working hard or they feel.
<v Speaker 4>Entitled to them, but because they, you know, have earned it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's you know, at a certain point becomes
<v Speaker 2>part of the compensation, and if it's if it's on
<v Speaker 2>the schedule of like you're looking at, Hey, this is
<v Speaker 2>the kind of thing where if I do this, I
<v Speaker 2>could get that it is completely unfair and potentially illegal
<v Speaker 2>and potentially a breach of contract to let the people
<v Speaker 2>work with that understanding and then to pull the rug
<v Speaker 2>out from underneath them. Now, who knows what the contracts
<v Speaker 2>actually say, but maybe Crafton has free reign to make
<v Speaker 2>this decision and they're allowed to say, hey, no, this
<v Speaker 2>really isn't up to our standard, even if our standard
<v Speaker 2>has moved or whatever, because we want to save money,
<v Speaker 2>but like.
<v Speaker 1>That's all right, We're allowed to do that.
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully, though there is a potential here for some sort
<v Speaker 2>of arbitration to come in and lay down the law
<v Speaker 2>and say, we could tell what's happening here. This is
<v Speaker 2>a breach of the contract by really all meaningful measures,
<v Speaker 2>and the people that you know should get paid will
<v Speaker 2>get paid.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm not hopeful about that.
<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of thing that would require a ton
<v Speaker 2>of effort, a ton of likely legal fees and stuff
<v Speaker 2>that Like who's going to spearhead that if the former
<v Speaker 2>leadership of this studio is all kind of out the door,
<v Speaker 2>is it going to come from a collection of the developers.
<v Speaker 2>I got to imagine they're feeling pretty low in terms
<v Speaker 2>of morale right now. It might be hard to sort
<v Speaker 2>of rally the troops to get something like that done,
<v Speaker 2>especially if there's no guarantee it'll work.
<v Speaker 3>It's a really unfortunate that this feels like grub something
<v Speaker 3>that a union would be very handy to have in
<v Speaker 3>this instance, especially when your leadership is either leaves on
<v Speaker 3>their owner cord or gets ousted. And now knowing this
<v Speaker 3>extra fact of the two hundred and fifty million dollars bonus.
<v Speaker 3>I could see them getting ousted because those people would
<v Speaker 3>probably get the biggest chunk of it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now you're starting to sound like Emo Phillips, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm really liking it. Like that's a that's a pretty good,
<v Speaker 2>pretty good look, pretty good sound.
<v Speaker 1>There we go. I don't know, We'll kind.
<v Speaker 2>Of just see what happens here. I'm I've been looking
<v Speaker 2>forward to Subnautica two. Maybe I'll just go play Subnautica one.
<v Speaker 2>I wonder, like, let's see, it's the deal is if
<v Speaker 2>they made a certain amount of revenue. I wonder if
<v Speaker 2>like the community could just go and buy Subnautica one
<v Speaker 2>over and over again and still get them to that
<v Speaker 2>number or something like that. It probably is such an
<v Speaker 2>astronomical number that only a new game could really do that.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I don't know. This is very unfortunate, grub.
<v Speaker 3>The other unfortunate aspect of this is that a game
<v Speaker 3>that came out forever ago is Star Wars Battlefront two,
<v Speaker 3>and if folks tuned into the show yesterday, you and
<v Speaker 3>Sean detailed about how it jumped out number twelve on
<v Speaker 3>the Steam.
<v Speaker 1>Charts, and that's in five or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that game, even though it's you, it's maybe
<v Speaker 3>like what five dollars at the moment or at the
<v Speaker 3>moment that he was blowing up, that's still income. That's
<v Speaker 3>still money, and that's still revenue being generated. I don't
<v Speaker 3>get it, Like, yeah, why not treat your employees and
<v Speaker 3>the people that are going to make your game to
<v Speaker 3>a nice bonus if they're going to guarantee that you
<v Speaker 3>are getting some type of income. And also this just
<v Speaker 3>looks bad. I'm crafting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of situation where it's like who would want to
<v Speaker 2>work with crafting? Although you know, there's not a lot
<v Speaker 2>of choices out there these days. There's not a lot
<v Speaker 2>of like Okay, let's uh not work with craft and
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go to the menu and choose a different
<v Speaker 2>publisher off of it and have my say you kind
<v Speaker 2>of these days you kind of have to just go
<v Speaker 2>with what you're given. And that seems to be It's
<v Speaker 2>gonna be the case for the studio for sure. They
<v Speaker 2>were acquired, you know, the High Fi Rush Studio, Tango
<v Speaker 2>Game Works. There are under crafton now right as well,
<v Speaker 2>so they have to be looking at this and being like, man,
<v Speaker 2>what does this mean for us? Although you know they
<v Speaker 2>were rescued, so they might be like, let's not look
<v Speaker 2>a gift horse in the mouth. I don't know, but
<v Speaker 2>it's definitely the situation where I think Crafton feels like
<v Speaker 2>they can do this because they can get away with
<v Speaker 2>it and there's not a lot of other publishers like
<v Speaker 2>on their level.
<v Speaker 1>Like that doesn't mean there's not above them.
<v Speaker 2>There are, but there's like that weird middle level of
<v Speaker 2>they got quite a bit of money and like more
<v Speaker 2>so than it would seem like.
<v Speaker 1>A Devolver Digital.
<v Speaker 2>Devolver Digital is a very successful publisher, but they don't
<v Speaker 2>have a pubg making money in the background for them.
<v Speaker 2>That's just like you know, a printing cash. And so
<v Speaker 2>it's like Crafton can kind of be like, no, we
<v Speaker 2>can take on some of these bigger projects and really
<v Speaker 2>believe in them, but why would you want to work
<v Speaker 2>with them?
<v Speaker 1>And then at the same time, do you really have
<v Speaker 1>a choice.
<v Speaker 2>If someone's gonna write a check with the promise of
<v Speaker 2>maybe more money, you might have to believe them, even
<v Speaker 2>if they have a proven record of sort of being
<v Speaker 2>shady about that kind of thing. It's it's it's as
<v Speaker 2>always right now for this industry pretty grim.
<v Speaker 3>Isn't PUBG Mobile enough to just keep printing money for them?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I mean PUBG Mobile and pubg both have You know,
<v Speaker 2>pubg every day on Steam still gets like eight hundred
<v Speaker 2>thousand concurrent players. It's massive, and pubg Mobile is same
<v Speaker 2>way and very very lucrative. So yeah, all right, Jen,
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's take a break and see maybe let you
<v Speaker 2>like reset the goxler or something like that, and then
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<v Speaker 3>Hello, my voice is returned. I've got it back from
<v Speaker 3>the subnoticons.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Crafton can't take my boy's voice, even if they
<v Speaker 2>are the gaming publisher ursula.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna let it happen.
<v Speaker 4>There we go. That's what I was thinking too.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get on with the stories here. We
<v Speaker 2>got a ton of stuff kind of out of Nintendo,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff specifically about Donkey Kong Bonanza, a
<v Speaker 2>game I continue to be very excited about. Jan but
<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, they're talking about it over there, giving us
<v Speaker 2>a few more details here or there, also giving us
<v Speaker 2>some insights into how the game got made. First, let's
<v Speaker 2>start here. Donkey Kong Bananz's director and producer have been confirmed.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Ali Reynolds at Nintendo Life. Donkey Kong
<v Speaker 2>Bananza's key development staff, specifically its director and producer have
<v Speaker 2>been confirmed. Thanks to an interview with IgM, we knew
<v Speaker 2>that the team behind Super Mario Odyssey has been busy
<v Speaker 2>working on Donkey Kong Bonanza, But now it's been confirmed
<v Speaker 2>that Kazuya Takahashi is serving as the game's director, while
<v Speaker 2>Kina Modakura is the game's producer. Motokura previously directed Super
<v Speaker 2>Mario Odyssey and worked on the likes of Super Mario Sunshine,
<v Speaker 2>Pickman and Super Mario Galaxy, while Takashi only joined Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>back in twenty twenty, bringing with him some key experience
<v Speaker 2>in open world game design. Of course, the key question
<v Speaker 2>in our minds now is what might potentially what this
<v Speaker 2>might potentially mean for a three D Mario. Of course
<v Speaker 2>everyone's wondering that, but yeah, I mean, this is very
<v Speaker 2>much the three D Mario team, down to the director
<v Speaker 2>being the producer on this one. And the only world
<v Speaker 2>change here is like for the director of this game,
<v Speaker 2>they brought in someone.
<v Speaker 1>Who's a little bit more familiar with open world stuff.
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like that team is working on this game
<v Speaker 2>in full or at least has been. And of course
<v Speaker 2>let's just get right to it, like, what do you
<v Speaker 2>think this does mean for three D Mario When you
<v Speaker 2>hear this extra tidbit of information grab the.
<v Speaker 3>Only thing that comes to mind is that, like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's a little bit further away than expected, but
<v Speaker 3>also just based off of how Nintendo operates, I'm kind
<v Speaker 3>of under the assumption that Donkey Kong Bonanza has been
<v Speaker 3>close to the finish line, if not past the finish line,
<v Speaker 3>for a while now, so work can begin on the
<v Speaker 3>next three D Mario and I kind of enjoy how
<v Speaker 3>Nintendo may has been approaching things, especially with all the
<v Speaker 3>stories we've heard come out of Super Mario Brothers Wonder
<v Speaker 3>where they're kind of like letting a younger team work
<v Speaker 3>on it and just share their ideas. So I'm not
<v Speaker 3>super concerned with it. If anything, I'm more excited about
<v Speaker 3>Donkey Kong Bonanza knowing that it has for sure for
<v Speaker 3>sure the DNA of games like Super Mario Odyssey.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm right there with you, and it's I think
<v Speaker 2>that this was them looking at Donkey Kong and being like,
<v Speaker 2>let's let's really throw everything into.
<v Speaker 1>That, and what does that mean for Mario.
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right that this game probably has been
<v Speaker 2>near the finish line for quite some time, and there
<v Speaker 2>was there's reasons to think that this next story kind
<v Speaker 2>of lends itself to that Donkey Kong Bonanza, like Mario
<v Speaker 2>Kart World was initially planned for Switch one. This is
<v Speaker 2>from Ali Reynolds and Nintendo Life. Nintendo has revealed in
<v Speaker 2>a new interview with ig And that Donkey Kong Bonanza
<v Speaker 2>was originally planned for the Switch one. Producer Kinta Motakura
<v Speaker 2>and director Kasua Takahashi explained that the game was being
<v Speaker 2>built on Switch one with the same Vauxel technology used
<v Speaker 2>to create in the destructible environments that you see in
<v Speaker 2>the game now. However, upon learning about the Switch to,
<v Speaker 2>the team shifted development over to the new console to
<v Speaker 2>take full advantage of the increased specs. It wasn't just
<v Speaker 2>the added power. They also wanted to use the mouse.
<v Speaker 2>They said, as well, that's fun.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I always got the sense of this was.
<v Speaker 2>A game that was like being built for Switch one
<v Speaker 2>and really with the idea that it would launch alongside
<v Speaker 2>the Switch Pro.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably what was going to happen here.
<v Speaker 2>And then the Switch Pro became the Switch too, and
<v Speaker 2>at that point they're like, well, let's lean towards making
<v Speaker 2>this a Switch to exclusive rather than trying to make
<v Speaker 2>it a cross gen game or anything like that, or
<v Speaker 2>Switch one exclusive game.
<v Speaker 1>By the time it's ready.
<v Speaker 2>Switch to should be here, so let's just focus on that,
<v Speaker 2>and then the Switch two got delayed a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>So I think that timeline kind of like creates the
<v Speaker 2>opportunity that you're talking about jam, where this is a
<v Speaker 2>game that probably was pretty close to being in place
<v Speaker 2>for a switch to launch that was going to happen
<v Speaker 2>months ago, and then even BEFO for that it was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, to Switch pro internally was something that seemed
<v Speaker 2>like it was supposed to come out years ago. And
<v Speaker 2>so maybe if that's how it was going, I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>they were using all that time to make this game
<v Speaker 2>better and better and better, but that does not mean
<v Speaker 2>they would not have the ability to get something else
<v Speaker 2>up off the ground. And at the same time, Jan,
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not like, my hopes are not that high
<v Speaker 2>for a new three D Mario imminently, like within the
<v Speaker 2>next couple of years. Sure, but there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people who are still like it could happen this year,
<v Speaker 2>could happen next year, And I'm just not getting my
<v Speaker 2>hopes up in that way. And really, at the same time,
<v Speaker 2>Donkey Kong Bananza, it looks like it might be enough
<v Speaker 2>for me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Donkey Kong Bananz is going to be
<v Speaker 3>enough for me. I also, you know there we have
<v Speaker 3>a Metroid game out on the horizon later this year.
<v Speaker 3>Subway tunnels would lead you to believe it's out this year,
<v Speaker 3>but I am okay taking a longer breath and giving
<v Speaker 3>more time to whatever the next three D Mario may
<v Speaker 3>look like. If that means we get other character games
<v Speaker 3>popping up in the meantime, By all means, I don't
<v Speaker 3>mind if we get another Kirby game, Kirby game, that'd
<v Speaker 3>be great, perhaps like another significant Splatoon expansion pack or
<v Speaker 3>efforts we are actually getting that, aren't we, uh that
<v Speaker 3>Spatoon Horde mode or something.
<v Speaker 2>There's something I think there's a Yes, there's something happy
<v Speaker 2>with I don't know if it's a Hord mode or not.
<v Speaker 1>That might already have happened.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure though, And we're getting like the Kirby
<v Speaker 3>Air Ride game. I feel like we will be completely fine,
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like Donkey Kong Bananza based off of
<v Speaker 3>the previews, I think we will have plenty to satiate
<v Speaker 3>our appetite for three D Open World Nintendo games.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do have. I have some startling news though,
<v Speaker 2>Kasya Takahashi. Let's check his his Moby games. Maybe this
<v Speaker 2>is not the same one. Someone in chat said he
<v Speaker 2>worked on Sonic Adventure.
<v Speaker 4>Two oh, and it was.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a director of that game. That's just that's terrible
<v Speaker 2>news for me. I'm joking, that's fine. Yeah, I'm mostly
<v Speaker 2>excited just because Donkey Combananza looks fantastic. Previews have been glowing,
<v Speaker 2>and they kind of it sounds like they would just
<v Speaker 2>like had this idea of let's kind of take Donkey
<v Speaker 2>Kong as a character and do something that makes sense
<v Speaker 2>for him.
<v Speaker 1>In fact, that that's kind.
<v Speaker 2>Of what they go on to say in some of
<v Speaker 2>these interviews, and I'm like, yeah that, I just like
<v Speaker 2>this team riffing on idea and going deeper and deeper
<v Speaker 2>and deeper and finding what like what kind of fun
<v Speaker 2>they can uncover. And it looks like it's going to
<v Speaker 2>be exactly that game, So really looking forward to it.
<v Speaker 1>Let's you know, real quick.
<v Speaker 2>People mentioned also that Koizumi not or maybe less involved.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Koizumi is someone who worked on Super Mario
<v Speaker 2>Brothers and has worked on a bunch of Nintendo games
<v Speaker 2>ever since, and it's like the three D Mario guy.
<v Speaker 2>He kind of pushed them towards making Donkey Kong. Sounds
<v Speaker 2>like he's still executive producer level, but in the way
<v Speaker 2>that like Anuma has been on Zelda and the way
<v Speaker 2>has been for like sort of all Nintendo games, although
<v Speaker 2>maybe to a more extreme degree where he's even further
<v Speaker 2>away now and kind of working on movies and theme
<v Speaker 2>parks and then kind of comes in and gives advice
<v Speaker 2>here or there to the development teams. Uh okay, let's
<v Speaker 2>see your Super Mario Odyssey. Producer pushed for a new
<v Speaker 2>three D Donkey Kong dev explains how Destruction Focus came
<v Speaker 2>to be.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Nintendo Everything.
<v Speaker 2>If you're wondering why we're finally getting a new three
<v Speaker 2>D Donkey Kong game with the upcoming launch of Bonanza,
<v Speaker 2>you could thank Yoshiaki Koizumi. According to producer Kinta moto Kura,
<v Speaker 2>it was Koizumi that made the push. Koizumi was most
<v Speaker 2>recently the producer of Super Mario Otissey.
<v Speaker 4>He was also the.
<v Speaker 1>Director of Donkey Kong Jungle be.
<v Speaker 2>Moto Kura told IGN in an interview, well, I would
<v Speaker 2>say the very original impetus for the development of Donkey
<v Speaker 2>Kong bonanza was when my boss, mister Koizumi approached our
<v Speaker 2>team and asked us to consider working on a three
<v Speaker 2>D Donkey Kong game, and that's when we realized we
<v Speaker 2>really needed to know more about Donkey Kong. So we
<v Speaker 2>went and spoke to mister Miham, the original creator of
<v Speaker 2>the character, and mister Miamoto had has experienced not only
<v Speaker 2>working on Donkey Kong games that he was directly responsible for,
<v Speaker 2>but also working alongside Rare on the Donkey Kong games
<v Speaker 2>that they created, and for him, a lot of things
<v Speaker 2>that came up were the unique actions that a really
<v Speaker 2>strong character like Donkey Kong can engage in, things like
<v Speaker 2>the handslap and blowing his breath.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a combination of things.
<v Speaker 2>That Donkey Kong has had in you know, Miamoto games,
<v Speaker 2>and then some of the stuff that was in Rare
<v Speaker 2>games and being like, yeah, this is the stuff Donkey
<v Speaker 2>Kong is known for.
<v Speaker 1>You should definitely lean into that.
<v Speaker 2>And you can kind of see them being like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>well we have that, and we have this three D
<v Speaker 2>vauxel technology for Super Mario Odyssey that we used for
<v Speaker 2>like Mario punching through snow or punching through cheese, and
<v Speaker 2>that's something they talk about in this interview as well,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, let's combine that with Donkey Kong's you know,
<v Speaker 2>strong arms and destroying stuff and make a game along
<v Speaker 2>those lines. And that's kind of what led to Bonanza.
<v Speaker 2>To me, that sounds like a really great like thread
<v Speaker 2>to start pulling on. Do you think that can hold
<v Speaker 2>up a whole game?
<v Speaker 3>I believe so, Greb, especially again given the the DNA
<v Speaker 3>behind this game and everyone everyone's previous pedigree. I feel
<v Speaker 3>like they know how to sustain a three D platform or,
<v Speaker 3>let alone an open world platformer. I also like the
<v Speaker 3>idea of people internally at Nintendo, instead of maybe referencing
<v Speaker 3>like a wiki article or like a YouTube studio moto,
<v Speaker 3>it's like, hey, let's just ask me a moto and
<v Speaker 3>then they just sit on the floor and it's story
<v Speaker 3>time with with yeah, chrisscross a, yeah, yeah, I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>it's uh. I think it's great that someone can have
<v Speaker 3>an idea at Nintendo and start pulling at that thread
<v Speaker 3>and it becomes like a whole different thing that unravels.
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious as to other threads that have been pulled
<v Speaker 3>and poked at that actually have been turned down in
<v Speaker 3>recent years a lot of because I feel like I
<v Speaker 3>enjoyed the weird takes on Yoshi being made out of
<v Speaker 3>yarn and then that one Kirby game. I'd be excited
<v Speaker 3>to learn what other modes and meanings have been have
<v Speaker 3>been pitched for other characters, perhaps like a kid ick
<v Speaker 3>Ris whose wings are actually made out of wax.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a physics bace Kid Chris game.
<v Speaker 2>And there's the heat from the sun is modeled in
<v Speaker 2>the game, and you can you have to fly high
<v Speaker 2>because there's enemies down there, but their son up there.
<v Speaker 2>We just made a game jan wow, Bamoto, bring us
<v Speaker 2>up and cut the check. I guess that'd be a Sakarai.
<v Speaker 2>Sakai give us a call. You almost certainly have ideas
<v Speaker 2>of your own.
<v Speaker 4>But whatever, no, go to sleep.
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I'm just like the idea of them, like
<v Speaker 2>taking that stuff? Is that that destruction stuff in Super
<v Speaker 2>Mariodyssy was already pretty impressive. Yeah, I just want to
<v Speaker 2>see how they expand on that, what else they do,
<v Speaker 2>because it's like I want to punch you that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>That's going to probably be enough for me.
<v Speaker 2>I'm someone who like likes to explore, likes to just
<v Speaker 2>sort of things the skeptical, the skeptics out there that
<v Speaker 2>we're playing it, and we're like, you know, this is
<v Speaker 2>maybe a bit two open.
<v Speaker 1>Where's the direction toward the fun?
<v Speaker 2>I wonder how they sort of balance that, But not
<v Speaker 2>too long before we find out.
<v Speaker 3>Just knowing the people that work here grub, I can
<v Speaker 3>see us getting stuck on like whatever First Island or
<v Speaker 3>First World, just breaking everything in trying to reset everything
<v Speaker 3>or breaking things in specific ways.
<v Speaker 4>I'm very excited for this game.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's move on to slightly different Nintendo news.
<v Speaker 2>Monolith's Soft Tokyo is developing a large scale RPG.
<v Speaker 1>For Nintendo switch To. This is from my Nintendo News.
<v Speaker 2>The talented team of developers at Monolith's Soft Tokyo have
<v Speaker 2>been hard at work developing a large scale RPG for
<v Speaker 2>the Nintendo switch To. The established company is currently on
<v Speaker 2>a massive hiring spree to fill a variety of an
<v Speaker 2>integral positions to make this all possible. It is not
<v Speaker 2>clear what the Zeno Blade developer is working on next,
<v Speaker 2>other than a large scale RPG. There are rumors that
<v Speaker 2>a sequel Xeno Blake Chronicles X was in development but
<v Speaker 2>how trustworthy the source of this rumor is remains to
<v Speaker 2>be seen. Jan You are one of my Zeno Blade boys.
<v Speaker 2>You're someone that I can come to. Hey, I know
<v Speaker 2>you liked Zena Blade Chronicles three a lot. This is
<v Speaker 2>a franchise that you're somewhat into. Do you want the
<v Speaker 2>next big RPG from this team to be as another
<v Speaker 2>Xena Blade game.
<v Speaker 3>I really fell in love with Zeno Blade Chronicles three.
<v Speaker 3>I enjoyed and appreciated the flute for the very first
<v Speaker 3>time grub and Yeah, I don't know. I honestly would
<v Speaker 3>even be jazz with a remaster or just a straight
<v Speaker 3>up port that runs better on the switch to. But
<v Speaker 3>given the scope of Xeno Blade Chronicles three and what
<v Speaker 3>the little bit that I've played of Xeno Blade Chronicles X,
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't mind them just embarking on a whole new game.
<v Speaker 3>I see some people in chat saying, Hey, bring back
<v Speaker 3>Zeno Saga. I don't think the world is ready for that,
<v Speaker 3>because I'm still reeling from the reveal that Cosmos is
<v Speaker 3>not actually Cosmos, but Cosmos like the Cosmos.
<v Speaker 1>Going to be tough to deal with, for sure.
<v Speaker 3>But I would love to see the next entry in
<v Speaker 3>if it's like a proper Zeno Blade Chronicles four or
<v Speaker 3>if it's a completely original project, just because I've enjoyed
<v Speaker 3>a lot of what this team is brought to the
<v Speaker 3>table already.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I I enjoyed z know Zeno Gears three guys,
<v Speaker 2>now I'm like mixing up the name.
<v Speaker 1>Wait.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Zeno Blade Chronicles three didn't play a ton of
<v Speaker 2>it played like ten to twelve hours and really was
<v Speaker 2>like maybe no, I get it, and I enjoyed what's
<v Speaker 2>happening here.
<v Speaker 1>This is cool. If I had time, I would like
<v Speaker 1>to see where this is going.
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, it's like, man, if they do
<v Speaker 2>did something completely new, I'm like, I would like to
<v Speaker 2>get in on the ground floor. That could be cool,
<v Speaker 2>or even like a new Zeno spin off. It starts
<v Speaker 2>fresh and maybe has some other ideas in there to
<v Speaker 2>kind of make it feel like it's something new.
<v Speaker 3>My one request, though, Monolith, if you're listening out there,
<v Speaker 3>take some lessons from Claire Obscure and it doesn't have
<v Speaker 3>to be an eighty hour game, yes, please.
<v Speaker 1>Like fine, just limit it.
<v Speaker 2>Just put a few governors on how it scales up
<v Speaker 2>a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>That would be nice to see.
<v Speaker 3>Because it's such a funny sentence of you saying, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I only played a little bit of it ten to
<v Speaker 3>twelve hours.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
<v Speaker 4>That's a big chunk of a game.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. That should be like half of a big RPG
<v Speaker 1>around there.
<v Speaker 2>You know, at least a third. It was not of
<v Speaker 2>that game. It was nowhere near a third of that game,
<v Speaker 2>not even you know. The other side of this is,
<v Speaker 2>of course, that monolith Soft has been one of the
<v Speaker 2>technological backbones for Nintendo and It's games for the last
<v Speaker 2>you know, so long since Breath of the Wild. Really
<v Speaker 2>the Zeno Blade games would sort of build a testing bed,
<v Speaker 2>or not even a testing bed, a fully featured open
<v Speaker 2>world system, and then they would use that to help
<v Speaker 2>make the Breath of the Wild or help make Tears
<v Speaker 2>of the Kingdom, and monolith is deeply involved in that stuff,
<v Speaker 2>to the point where you could see like the commonality
<v Speaker 2>between the UI systems and in the two games, a
<v Speaker 2>lot of the sounds are the same things like that.
<v Speaker 2>So whatever this team ends up doing here, Nintendo is
<v Speaker 2>almost assuredly helping them higher up because they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's make it big, let's make it feel like it's
<v Speaker 2>worthy of the switch to and then let's take what
<v Speaker 2>you do there, or let's operate with in the back
<v Speaker 2>of our mind the fact that this is going to
<v Speaker 2>probably be used on the next Zelda game or maybe
<v Speaker 2>even some of our other games as well. So I
<v Speaker 2>think just kind of knowing that they have this TikTok
<v Speaker 2>pattern of let's make a Zeno game, then we're going
<v Speaker 2>to go help a Zelda, Let's go make a Zeno game,
<v Speaker 2>then we're going to go help with Zelda. The fact
<v Speaker 2>that they continue to build up both in parallel. It's
<v Speaker 2>exciting for this game and for whatever Zelda is is next.
<v Speaker 2>Anything in particularly in particularly you would want to see
<v Speaker 2>from like a big new open world RPG from a
<v Speaker 2>team like this, Like how open should it be? Should
<v Speaker 2>it be like Aaron Emech exploring every corner.
<v Speaker 3>Of the world or what h I personally grub I
<v Speaker 3>I love the gigantic parties like of six people that
<v Speaker 3>you get in Zeno Blake Chronicles three, so I wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>mind more of that.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like my brain and JRPG brain has been
<v Speaker 3>poisoned by Claire Obscure, just because it feels so streamlined
<v Speaker 3>in a way but there is that room to kind
<v Speaker 3>of wiggle off the critical path, to go do whatever
<v Speaker 3>you want. I've always enjoyed the story stories with this game,
<v Speaker 3>so whatever they want to do with that and just
<v Speaker 3>exploring that more so, I wouldn't mind perhaps them bringing
<v Speaker 3>back Soma Bringer, which was a JRPG for the Nintendo
<v Speaker 3>DS that Monolith Monolith did.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I also I'm getting a little bit of we talked
<v Speaker 3>about this on the BombCast, a little bit tired of
<v Speaker 3>Ninja's getting a little bit tired of.
<v Speaker 2>Mes Yeah, and I kind of like peaked with Armored
<v Speaker 2>Course six and you're.
<v Speaker 4>Not that cool.
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably not going to be paying attention.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. If they turn into tanks, that's a different story.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Or if they turn into anthropomorphic Zords, then I'd
<v Speaker 2>be down.
<v Speaker 4>All right.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo will stop selling switch game vouchers in twenty twenty six.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Austin Manchester at Polygon. Nintendo announced on
<v Speaker 2>Thursday that the company is sunsetting it's Nintendo Switch game
<v Speaker 2>vouchers offer early next year. Nintendo Switch Online members will
<v Speaker 2>have until January thirtieth, twenty twenty six, at midnight PST
<v Speaker 2>to take advantage of the offer. Vouchers are redeemable for
<v Speaker 2>up to a year after purchase. The game voucher program
<v Speaker 2>was a way to save money. It was basically one
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars for two game vouchers, and then you could
<v Speaker 2>buy use those vouchers in exchange for a sixty dollars game,
<v Speaker 2>so you can get two sixty dollars games worth one
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty dollars plus tax, and and you could
<v Speaker 2>get that for around one hundred dollars plus tax, so
<v Speaker 2>you were saving money or you know, in the case
<v Speaker 2>of Tiers of the Kingdom it was seventy dollars, so
<v Speaker 2>you'd be saving even more money. And it was like, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do this now for the switch too,
<v Speaker 2>they already said the game vouchers are not coming to
<v Speaker 2>switch to the game vouchers that you get on the
<v Speaker 2>switch one will and apply to switch two games, don't
<v Speaker 2>even try. So it was already kind of being put
<v Speaker 2>to the side. Now it's fully you know, going away,
<v Speaker 2>which it's a little bit weird, like what is the
<v Speaker 2>need for this, because you would think like as Switch
<v Speaker 2>to gets it starts to take over, those Switch one
<v Speaker 2>games would decrease in value. So a thing that's one
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars for two games, well, you know, the Mario
<v Speaker 2>Kart eight is now thirty dollars, but of course it's
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo now and they're not lowering the prices, so that's
<v Speaker 2>probably not going to happen, and instead they have to
<v Speaker 2>actually get rid of this because they intend to kind
<v Speaker 2>of keep prices moving up.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anytime that.
<v Speaker 3>Us as the consumer and us as the audience gets
<v Speaker 3>such a the deal for acquiring games and then it
<v Speaker 3>eventually goes away. I just hear the Parks and rec
<v Speaker 3>character that Jenny Slate played John Ralfio's sister, and I
<v Speaker 3>just hear the publisher the company going money please.
<v Speaker 4>It's about right.
<v Speaker 3>So it sucks for us definitely, But I understand why
<v Speaker 3>nintend would want to do it, especially now that the
<v Speaker 3>prices for individual games are going up.
<v Speaker 2>Right, And this is a kind of thing where they
<v Speaker 2>will probably have some other deal to make people feel
<v Speaker 2>like they're making out at some point, but it might
<v Speaker 2>not look like this, or they'll reintroduce this for switch
<v Speaker 2>to at a higher price at some point, So they
<v Speaker 2>want to take a break, and maybe that's part of
<v Speaker 2>the plan here. I use the game vouchers pretty frequently,
<v Speaker 2>at least at least three times, but it might have
<v Speaker 2>been more than that, and that three times would have
<v Speaker 2>been six games because at a certain point, Nintendo steps
<v Speaker 2>in me games early.
<v Speaker 1>They would send me game codes like.
<v Speaker 2>Day of but I would be like, I want to
<v Speaker 2>get it the night before because it's available here at midnight,
<v Speaker 2>and you're not gonna send me a code then. So
<v Speaker 2>I ended up buying a lot of my Switch games
<v Speaker 2>this last generation. Likewise, I'm fine with that, no no complaints.
<v Speaker 2>But it was like using the game voucher was great.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, I feel like I'm saving a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of money. This is good, and I'll have another
<v Speaker 2>voucher for when that next game comes and I don't
<v Speaker 2>have to think about it.
<v Speaker 1>It's just right there. So it was pretty handy. I
<v Speaker 1>liked it quite a bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope they come up with some solution to
<v Speaker 2>make it feel like I can save money here or
<v Speaker 2>there if i'm if I know, I'm gonna get a
<v Speaker 2>handful of games. In fact, I might pick up one
<v Speaker 2>more voucher because there's like maybe two Switch games that
<v Speaker 2>I like. I could still pick those up that I
<v Speaker 2>never got around to picking up in the first place.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, folks, plan accordingly. I mean Donkey Kong Bonanza, right,
<v Speaker 3>that's coming out.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but that won't won't work on the right.
<v Speaker 4>Which to switch to?
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, so you have to you'd have to look backward.
<v Speaker 2>So if like you want to go pick up Splittoon
<v Speaker 2>three and I don't know Mario in Luigi Brothership, which
<v Speaker 2>maybe don't but yeah, you could save money on that.
<v Speaker 4>M maybe well, Henti Golf won't take up the whole voucher.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Pokemon Za is on there, so there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Uh and Metric Prime four probably will work with.
<v Speaker 1>It as well. So there, so supposed switch one games.
<v Speaker 2>I guess I would double check out Tomadauci Life in
<v Speaker 2>Rhythm Heaven are coming out next year. Those are Switch
<v Speaker 2>one games, so yeah maybe Okay, the legend Cya is on.
<v Speaker 4>The list, all right, cool, so there we go.
<v Speaker 1>I will definitely pick up one more a pair of
<v Speaker 1>vouchers and go from there. All right.
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo reveals Japan's best selling Switch Shop titles for the
<v Speaker 2>first half of twenty twenty five. Just wanted to shout
<v Speaker 2>out this list really quick. Fantasy Life I is in
<v Speaker 2>the top two slots because it's got the Digital Deluxe
<v Speaker 2>Edition at number one and number two is the standard edition.
<v Speaker 2>Then Super Mario Party Jamboree, Tamagatchi Life or Tamagotchi Plaza.
<v Speaker 1>I mixed that up with Tomadaci Life.
<v Speaker 2>Minecraft at five, and then Urban Myth Disillusion Center. It's
<v Speaker 2>not like one of those like call in management games,
<v Speaker 2>like like you're dealing with phone calls and you have
<v Speaker 2>to Okay, well, I'm gonna look into that, and then
<v Speaker 2>Animal Crossing New Horizons, Seen a Blake Chronicles X Definitive Edition,
<v Speaker 2>Mario Kart eight Deluxe at nine, and Donkey Kong Country
<v Speaker 2>Returns HD at number ten. That Fantasy Life game is
<v Speaker 2>pretty big.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I guess I didn't realize.
<v Speaker 2>It was as huge as it as it was, and
<v Speaker 2>it's massive in Japan, but it seems to have a
<v Speaker 2>huge audience around the world.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>I like vaguely remember the Fantasy Life game coming out
<v Speaker 2>for was it DS or three DS or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't it. It looked generic to me, so
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really get it. And now I've started playing
<v Speaker 2>Fantasy Life. I the girl who couldn't steal time or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm enjoying it. There's there's definitely something to it.
<v Speaker 2>It's just a job game. Going around doing those jobs
<v Speaker 2>has been fun.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if this also like takes off the animal
<v Speaker 3>crossing or gosh, what's the farming game that everyone loves
<v Speaker 3>A Starduo Valley Stardoo Valley because I remember dragon Quest
<v Speaker 3>Builders and dragon Quest Builders two gaining a lot of
<v Speaker 3>traction and popularity. Because I feel like it the ven
<v Speaker 3>diagram was close enough to those to Stardo Valley that
<v Speaker 3>it captivated people's attention for like long stretches of time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>Urban Myth Dissolution Center grub.
<v Speaker 4>Looks fucked up.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's take a look at it. I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 2>find out what's going on over there. Yeah, and as
<v Speaker 2>Bander and chats pointing out, yeah, it seems like Fantasy Life.
<v Speaker 2>I is the secret switch to launch hit it was doing.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's available on Switch one, I believe. If not,
<v Speaker 2>I think it is, But if not, its definitely got
<v Speaker 2>a big pick pick up with switch to one way
<v Speaker 2>or the other. And yeah, it runs pretty well on
<v Speaker 2>there for a game that was running weird on Mike's
<v Speaker 2>fifty eighty.
<v Speaker 1>You see the other day. He was like, what is
<v Speaker 1>going on with this game? It should not be being
<v Speaker 1>choppy for me in these areas. I think it's just
<v Speaker 1>weird in some places, Greb.
<v Speaker 3>I know that we the Marino had published the top
<v Speaker 3>one hundred games of the quarter century. I need to
<v Speaker 3>go back through that list and see where Clubhouse Games
<v Speaker 3>ranked and if it didn't work at all, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, when people can only list ten games, it's probably
<v Speaker 2>gonna be hard. But Clubhouse Games number eleven on the
<v Speaker 2>e Shop list. Game came out years ago. I love
<v Speaker 2>that game. Yeah, It's definitely one that like, if you
<v Speaker 2>do have a switch and you need like something at
<v Speaker 2>a party real quick to entertain people.
<v Speaker 1>I could seem like, let's just get this real quick
<v Speaker 1>on the e shop. Man. I love Clubhouse Games.
<v Speaker 4>All right.
<v Speaker 2>Still one more Nintendo news item here. Mia Moto views
<v Speaker 2>games as products, not works of art, says x Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>dev from Ali Reynolds and Nintendo Life, and the person
<v Speaker 2>who said this was like, and this is like a
<v Speaker 2>good thing for us. During Nintendo's the latest Sharehold Shareholder
<v Speaker 2>Q and a meeting, Shaguru Miyamoto stressed the importance for
<v Speaker 2>developers to work for the consumer, not your boss, en,
<v Speaker 2>sharing that teams can produce games that will satisfy players. Afterwards,
<v Speaker 2>X Nintendo developer taka Tokeya Imamura yah mus say takeya
<v Speaker 2>in Mamura added his own two cents to the conversation
<v Speaker 2>and stated that Miamoto has always viewed games as products,
<v Speaker 2>not works of art, and believes that his background studying
<v Speaker 2>industrial art helped shape his viewpoint. Mister Miyamoto studied industrial
<v Speaker 2>design at Art University, and he views games as products, not.
<v Speaker 1>Works of art.
<v Speaker 2>I think this perspective is what leads to game development
<v Speaker 2>that's more aligned with the user. And I think what
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to get there is like he views
<v Speaker 2>making games the same way and architect would view designing
<v Speaker 2>a building, which is like, this has got to be
<v Speaker 2>usable by humans.
<v Speaker 1>It has to be.
<v Speaker 2>The functionality is fundamentally more important than anything else about this.
<v Speaker 1>And then I will also add in.
<v Speaker 2>The pleasure, like the pleasure of like looking at it,
<v Speaker 2>the pleasure of viewing it, the pleasure of interacting with it.
<v Speaker 1>That's of course part of that.
<v Speaker 2>But I need to make sure that this is a
<v Speaker 2>product that humans can use first, and I don't necessarily
<v Speaker 2>think when it comes to the viewpoint of the creator
<v Speaker 2>that it matters all that much because it only really
<v Speaker 2>becomes art one way or the other. Anything only really
<v Speaker 2>becomes art when it's viewed by a person looking at
<v Speaker 2>it and they are moved by it. Right, So it's like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know his viewpoint of how he feels when
<v Speaker 2>he's making it has nothing to do with how I
<v Speaker 2>consume it, right, and other than make it feel good
<v Speaker 2>to play, and that seems to be his focus.
<v Speaker 1>So this seems right to me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like the headline may be a little
<v Speaker 3>bit misleading and may lead folks to have different opinions
<v Speaker 3>on Meomoto, But I think in the way that you're
<v Speaker 3>breaking it down, Grub and equating it to like how
<v Speaker 3>an architect views a building, or even some an engineer
<v Speaker 3>building maybe a imagineer grub building out a Disney ride
<v Speaker 3>or a part of Disneyland or Disney Park. Wanting something
<v Speaker 3>to be super functional, super usable. The thing that I've
<v Speaker 3>always enjoyed about Miamoto, and people may buck against this,
<v Speaker 3>but I like that he views most of his video
<v Speaker 3>games as toys, like this is something for you to
<v Speaker 3>play with. And also it's not like he is looking
<v Speaker 3>at games as products to exploit the audience. He's working
<v Speaker 3>for the audience. He wants people to come back. He
<v Speaker 3>wants people to return and feel good using and playing
<v Speaker 3>a Mario game or whatever else Miamoto has like had
<v Speaker 3>his hand in or Nintendo as a whole.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. It's the kind of thing where.
<v Speaker 2>I think a toy is not something that most toy
<v Speaker 2>designers have looked at as works of art, and yet
<v Speaker 2>for me, like toys are art.
<v Speaker 1>Just like anything else.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yes, this is a little bit of a
<v Speaker 2>something I interact with, I put something into and when
<v Speaker 2>I do that, I can feel it pushing back against
<v Speaker 2>me from the creator like trying to design, design it
<v Speaker 2>to work in a certain way, and whatever their motivations
<v Speaker 2>were kind of irrelevant to how I'm feeling in this moment.
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate that games can sort of take that
<v Speaker 2>and run with it and let you do that on
<v Speaker 2>a level with like systems several orders of magnitude more
<v Speaker 2>complicated than what any toy can do in terms of
<v Speaker 2>modeling physics or modeling lighting systems and things like that,
<v Speaker 2>and letting you play around in that space.
<v Speaker 1>So Yep, this moves me. This is clearly just art.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean.
<v Speaker 3>The only video game art that I really have displayed
<v Speaker 3>anywhere is like a blown out GBA just because I
<v Speaker 3>got mine over there. It's great, I love it, but
<v Speaker 3>it is a product. It is a thing to use.
<v Speaker 4>But also the memories attributed to it have made it into.
<v Speaker 2>Art without a doubt. All right, let's get to these
<v Speaker 2>last couple of stories. In fact, they heard this the
<v Speaker 2>last story right here. Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven headlines July
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation Plus Games for PS five.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Jordan Miller at VGC.
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation is announced the games coming to PlayStation Plus in July,
<v Speaker 2>including Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, which is going to be
<v Speaker 2>available yesterday, so you can go get that now, along
<v Speaker 2>with Abiotic Factor launching into the service on July twenty second.
<v Speaker 1>All other titles available to play on will be.
<v Speaker 2>Available to play on July fifteenth, which includes Twist to
<v Speaker 2>Medal three and four for PlayStation Plus Premium members as
<v Speaker 2>far as Extra and Premium members. You'll get all of
<v Speaker 2>these games, Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, Abiotic Factor, Banisher's Ghost
<v Speaker 2>of New Eden, Bluey, The Video Game Planet, Zoo, Risk
<v Speaker 2>of Rain two, Oh, Tropico six, New World.
<v Speaker 1>A tournam Yeah, I'm not just gonna say it that way.
<v Speaker 2>And then the PlayStation plus premium members, the ones that
<v Speaker 2>get the classic games are getting twisted Medal three and four.
<v Speaker 1>All right, that does it for the headlines. Let's get
<v Speaker 1>to the poll question, which I have over here somewhere.
<v Speaker 1>Let me refresh this page. How many unplayed games do
<v Speaker 1>you own?
<v Speaker 2>On STA Their options were zero to nineteen, twenty to
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine, forty to fifty nine, and sixty or more,
<v Speaker 2>and fifty four percent have sixty or more unplayed Steam games. Now,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that's going to be bundles, people being
<v Speaker 2>in like Humble Bundle and things like that, getting a
<v Speaker 2>ton of codes, adding them to their library, never touching
<v Speaker 2>those games.
<v Speaker 1>But still.
<v Speaker 2>That's a big number, and I think it's like shows
<v Speaker 2>like we probably could have gone up to like one
<v Speaker 2>hundred or more and easily probably still had quite a
<v Speaker 2>few people being like, yes, I have more than one
<v Speaker 2>hundred games that I've never played, and this is what
<v Speaker 2>makes the whole Steam ecosystem go round. Jan real quick
<v Speaker 2>U Twenty three percent said zero to nineteen, and that
<v Speaker 2>was the second most popular so there's some you know,
<v Speaker 2>extremes here. It's like, no, I'm not going to buy
<v Speaker 2>games and not play them. And then fourteen percent are
<v Speaker 2>between twenty and thirty nine, and eight percent are between
<v Speaker 2>forty and fifty nine. So the certain point you just
<v Speaker 2>become a real sicko in like against the Skyrocket exponentially.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, y'all a bunch of freaks out there. Go share
<v Speaker 3>your games or something. You're not going to play your
<v Speaker 3>twelve code that you've gone for hero Loop gives that
<v Speaker 3>to a friend, give it that to a neighbor. The
<v Speaker 3>comments here grub are are rebuking us for listing sixty
<v Speaker 3>as the max when people have over hundreds of hundreds.
<v Speaker 2>YouTube used to let you have more than just four options,
<v Speaker 2>and then the chances just four. If we could have
<v Speaker 2>just kept going, I would have just kept going. But
<v Speaker 2>clearly sixty was not a high enough number. That seems
<v Speaker 2>to be the case here, and then everyone's yelling that
<v Speaker 2>you saying they.
<v Speaker 1>Do share them.
<v Speaker 4>Good. I'm not talking about you all watching now. I'm
<v Speaker 4>talking about some of y'all voting in this poll.
<v Speaker 1>I am.
<v Speaker 2>I definitely buy buy games or collect games or gathering
<v Speaker 2>games in a situation like this, and I always think
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to play them.
<v Speaker 1>They're always just there.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, I'll get to that eventually, and it's
<v Speaker 2>it's just been recently where I've started being like, you
<v Speaker 2>gotta stop kidding yourself, man, you gotta stop messing with
<v Speaker 2>yourself and actually believing this and nonsense, which is clearly
<v Speaker 2>a lie. All right, we'll get to a new pole
<v Speaker 2>question here in a second. Actually, you know what's do
<v Speaker 2>right now? That's not the new pole question, So we'll
<v Speaker 2>have to come up with one. Jan what do you
<v Speaker 2>want to do about Donkey Kong Bonanza? Or you know, what,
<v Speaker 2>do you want Monoliths Soft to make a new Zeno
<v Speaker 2>play game or something new. Let's do that and the
<v Speaker 2>poll question will go up and we'll get the results
<v Speaker 2>of that on Game mess Mornings here on Giant Bomb tomorrow.
<v Speaker 2>On Friday's show, speaking to Giant Bomb Jane, I think
<v Speaker 2>today we're gonna do the Janentucky Derby.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're gonna let those horse girls race.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, my dear friend Matt Shipman will be joining us.
<v Speaker 3>He's going to be racing along with us. I have
<v Speaker 3>yet to actually put any thought into how to how
<v Speaker 3>and what to do for this stream. I also need
<v Speaker 3>to figure out how to link my account with my
<v Speaker 3>Steam account. But we're we're gonna let those horses fly.
<v Speaker 2>Baby, I'm ready to see it for myself and get
<v Speaker 2>involved in the chant. Janentucky Derby, Well, voicemail, dumb truck.
<v Speaker 2>We'll have some other stuff going on.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see.
<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow we're gonna have UPF. We're doing Tony Hawk, right,
<v Speaker 2>that's the plan.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're we're gonna figure out a if we can
<v Speaker 3>reset goals and then b who can get to the
<v Speaker 3>cruise ship first?
<v Speaker 1>You got to like make a new like reset or
<v Speaker 1>account or whatever. We'll just have to do that. We'll
<v Speaker 1>go the hard way. We'll see.
<v Speaker 2>There's gotta be a way to do it though. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that'll be you UPF tomorrow. This weekend we'll have a
<v Speaker 2>demo Derby, which we've already recorded going up, so be
<v Speaker 2>on the lookout for that.
<v Speaker 1>Other than that, am I forgetting anything? Jan anything else?
<v Speaker 1>We should mention?
<v Speaker 3>No, if you missed Monday Mornings missed with Mitch, please
<v Speaker 3>go check that out as well as Mega Man, where
<v Speaker 3>Mike played a little bit of Fantasy Life. I yeah,
<v Speaker 3>may get some more quick looks in the can if
<v Speaker 3>they pop up, but definitely look forward to Shenanigans next
<v Speaker 3>week with the release of Donkey Kong Bonanza, Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Looking forward to it. And then yes, there is the
<v Speaker 1>kitty cat right there.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody all right, Jana Cholla, thank you so much for
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with me today and talking about video games.
<v Speaker 1>Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 4>It's my favorite way to start a Thursday.
<v Speaker 2>Greb, thank you all for hanging out, for listening, for watching.
<v Speaker 2>You are the best audience in gaming. Until next time,
<v Speaker 2>have a good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.
<v Speaker 1>He'll be like a bea