Shedeur Sanders Wins, Greg Olsen On J.J. McCarthy + Taylor Lewan On Ohio State vs. Michigan

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Speaker 1: Can I start this show negatively and then we'll bring it back to positive somehow throughout the show. It had to start. It's a week of gratitude, It's a week of That's why I'll get it out of get you mind. You can start, well, do this, and then after that we'll just be grateful from here on out. Cool. Yeah, nothing pisses me off more, dude, than when you order a coffee on Uber Eats or Postmates and you spend way too much money for coffee. They bring you the coffee. You get an ice coffee and it's filled to the brim with ice, and there's like six ounces of coffee in there. Is that not insane?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Week week of grain.

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Speaker 1: It's it's okay to be negative in this small pocket. After this, I will be grateful.

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Speaker 2: We're in a world where we get to be so lazy that we can just go to where we want to go and think, I want an iced coffee. I don't want to get hot coffee that we have here at the shop, Like I don't want to give me an ice coffee. Let me just pull out my smartphone and dial in. Somebody's gonna go pick up the coffee for you, bring it to you. You can throw them a dollar, a couple bucks tip, whatever it is. But we get you can get ice coffee in your hands like that, right, and we're we're talking about ice to the brim it's not done perfectly again and a week of gratitude.

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Speaker 1: Right, and I'm gonna say it again. We're using this small fucking pocket to say things were pissed about so we can have even more gratitude. What makes great things so great, it's the lulls in life that make you appreciate when you have success and you get over these milestones in life. Okay, so I'm having I'm bringing us down a little bit so I can bring us up later and we be like, Wow, how extra grateful are we because we had that pocket of negativity. I'm gonna give you another one though, because you say something you order on the app, and all of a sudden, we're giving out a little tip. That's great. If I order one singular coffee, that coffee's five thirty eight from the coffee place I like to go to. Then there's a over each charge. I get it. You're running a business. And then it says tip three dollars, four dollars, five dollars.

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Speaker 2: We gotta get that out of there.

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Speaker 1: That shit's gotta go because I'll go custom every single time and put one fucking dollar because that is twenty percent, maybe a little less than thirty eight cents, but I don't do cents around here. Yeah, okay, but if you're if you are a barista, all right, if you have the prestigious name of a barista and you see an aberit's order and it's an ice coffee, put half ice in there? Half ice? Did you check extra ice on your coffee? Come on, sir, you know I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's weird because they gave you enough ice to fill a fucking baby pool with.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because we're being a little negative right now.

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Speaker 4: What the fuck is that?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck is that dude there? Okay? Is he we have anything negative to say before we go to full gratitude from here to even through the bus an episode? Anybody? Yep, Mitch?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes when you order, I just ordered nice stands this weekend. The amount of pieces that are in that it took me and Brooke two and a half hours to build two night stands. It was fun little bonding moment, but it's like, can we just lower the parts?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, lower the parts, Lower the parts, make it easier. Also, stop giving me that little ass screwdriver. Dude, all right, stop doing that. Like, if you're gonna send something, say hey, you need tools for this, or do make it where I can screw the ship in myself right, love it? Anybody else want to bitch?

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Speaker 2: I kind of want to bitch.

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Speaker 1: Which bitch, dude, because we had to we had to hit We had a we have to hit bottom floor right now in order to feel gratitude for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 5: Bitch dude.

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Speaker 2: F my kids. Okay, Nebraska got their ass pummeled this weekend. We'll cover that college football. But rue, sweetheart, she gets sick in the middle of the night on Friday. That's bullshit. We do we do a little sleepover or Saturday whenever it was, do a little sleepover. She wakes up at four in the morning and just starts projectif vomiting all over the bed. Got some on chorro. I get woken up. My wife looks at me crazy because I just want to lay a towel down. I'm like, let's just get a towel down. We'll just keep it moving.

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Speaker 1: That takes I've done that.

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Speaker 2: Like big Daddy, get the newspapers out, will cover. She's like, are you serious, Let's just get we we gotta get back to sleep. It's it's like thirty or four in the morning. She's like, yes, all sleep is so important, Like it's on my side. You don't have to lay in it. Look, you want to change your sheets, let's change of sheets.

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Speaker 1: Both you kind of get mad at each other and then just go to sleep kind of and then wake up in the morning and just.

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Speaker 2: Doing all and doing all the breasts like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, breaths, breaths, speak volumes and marriages with kids.

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Speaker 2: I like, look at him. Come on, when we get off the bed, mom wants to change your sheets.

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Speaker 1: And she just threw up. She's like still wiping her face. Go ahead and get off. That's good, dude, Fuck your kids. You're saying that, I'm saying. Those are the words I said. Half I said, I said half if your kids, you're right, You're right. That was fucked up by me. And because I'm being a nasty bitch right now, let.

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Speaker 2: Me you've been down and out. You've been down and out for for quite a minute.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's tough for me to be grateful when I'm learning how to walk again. I've spent seventy two hours literally in my.

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Speaker 2: Head, I'm thinking, if you're just holding the ice coffee in your hand, you're like, man, all the ship that I've went through.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice that ice coffee, right, but we've got it. I don't want to explain myself again. You know what we're doing right now? Jack, bitch about something, dude.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm not even to bitch about something. I mean, but I'm gonna be nasty. Clump is such a fraud. First time that, Yeah, the Fall's winning Gainesville in twenty plus years. It just happens to be. Weeks after Clump decides to be a Florida fan, come in here and he's.

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Speaker 7: Like, dude, He's like, we're just waiting.

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Speaker 6: We're good. We got Kiffin coming. And and Clump had said one thing hadn't been like, hey, man, I was wrong. I hadn't said this. He took Florida money line. Florida got their shit kicked in, pushed in, kicked in, kicked in, pushed in, kicked in, push And I don't know. The first thing I said to Clump when I can was just pretty nasty. And it's just nice to know that he is truly the reason that Florida will probably be in the shitter for the next five years.

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Speaker 1: Ever since Clump has become a Florida fan. They have done things they haven't done since two thousand and three. And let's lose a Tennessee at home.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, anything you want to say.

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Speaker 1: Clump, clumb, bitch about something, dude, don't say anything nice, but we could get just say something nasty.

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Speaker 8: I don't have anything really to bitch about, but I do believe in karma and like bad vibes and celebrating the Florida win is great. But Tennessee's about to get their ship packed in by.

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Speaker 7: Vandy on Saturday.

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Speaker 8: And Diego is going to win the Heisman Trophy after scoring five.

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Speaker 2: God, we got a college football show.

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Speaker 1: College football, college football show. We'll talk about it later. Should we get everyone feel good?

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Speaker 5: Short?

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Speaker 1: Fuck Porch Pirates, dude, just fuck fuck them. They come over, they steal your packages, they run away.

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Speaker 3: That's so crazy that people still do that ship porch.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, Porch Bright.

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Speaker 1: A lot of conversations on the podcast right now, a lot of combos.

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Speaker 6: Hey, just fuck Porch Pirates, That's all I have to say.

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Speaker 2: And happy Thanksgivving.

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving. Have you seen the videos of people who like have their the little cameras on their doors and then people steal the packages. But those packages are like they have like, yeah, glitter bombs inside of them. They're like like they get picked up and now people go and they rush to their car and they get in their car and just see like pink and blue explode in their car.

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Speaker 2: And now the porch pirates are charging those people with the salt.

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Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: What we're doing?

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know what we're doing, buddy.

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Speaker 6: Oh I stole their package and their package glitter bomb made.

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Speaker 2: That's a salt.

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Speaker 1: That's a salt, brother, So yeah, you should do that or move I really want to or move, yeah, because that's a that's a crazy thing that people are doing steel.

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Speaker 7: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't have that NFL crazy weekend in the NFL. By the way, boys, I am so grateful for you guys taking the time to be very naked up with me. That was I needed that. Onward and upboard, we're gonna be grateful from here on out. Let's be grateful for the Houston Texans and that defensive passes. Give a round of polish for that pass rush. When it's seven to eight sacks in that game. The Boys were absolutely hunting all day along Their offense was Okay, little stag, did they did enough to win the game? We'll say that they did enough to win the game. They had Josh Allen running for his life all day and the back end that defense was sticky on the wide receivers. We all know, like people have been very critical of the Buffalo Bills wide receivers and they I think they deserve a little bit of criticism, But we have to say a lot of big good things about how that defense played. They played absolutely incredible in that game and made Josh Allen run for his life. Daniel Hunter, who's your individual? Will Anderson? My god, a couple of couple of robots rushing around the edge. It was unbelievable to watch.

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Speaker 2: And even when they missed the sack, the way they're able to get up off the turf and continue to hunt this man. That's what's impressive. The defense for the Houston Texans is for real. When you look at their schedule too, like they got kind of a gauntlet in the next couple of weeks with the Colts. They play at Indianapolis and then go to Arrowhead and play the Chiefs. After that, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers and Colts again. Is a world where you feel like the Texans are gonna make the playoffs. I think there's clearly a world, but clearly a world in your mind. Do you think the Texans make a run and get into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: What's their record right now?

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Speaker 2: Because are six and six and five six and five, ye, and the Jags are seven.

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Speaker 1: And four, correct, and the Colts are nine and three nine and two, Cults are eight and three. Yeah, there's there's absolutely a world we can see that. I think the issue is is what happens in that second slot? Hell, what happens in that first slot? Maybe the Texans pass rush is that good where they get Daniel Jones off of his you know, out of sequence. He's not throwing in rhythm, he's not throwing with timing. Maybe they can go and upset the Colts. If they just got upset against the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe something happens there where that defense is just good enough. I mean, they're going two games back.

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Speaker 3: First the Colts question, for y'all, do you think Davis Mills three and ohero in his three starts with the Texans, you don't think, No, there's gonna be any quarterback controversy.

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Speaker 2: There no.

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Speaker 1: C got hurt. The early part of the year, he was having trouble. He wasn't doing the ball accurately, he wasn't doing it on time. The couple of games before he got injured, he started to find his stride a little bit. He started to push the ball into the field because whide receivers making big catches. That to me is a that's a non conversation starter right here, because it's not because this is Davis Mills. Davis Mills isn't the reason why all of a sudden he's like a willingness team into victory. Like he is taking care of the football, allowing the run game to work from a little bit, being efficient with the football when he needs to be, and then allowing the defense to absolutely rec havoc. And that's what's causing the Texans to win the game. It's the defense is not necessarily the offense. And if you're looking on the other side of that, we're not gonna get critical, right We're not getting critical. But the Buffalo Bills, they're in a bit of danger right now.

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Speaker 2: Just before we get out of the AFC South. All that has to happen this weekend. You got to essentially a one game race. Texans beat the Colts this weekend and then Jaguars got the Titans, So Jaguars win that if the If the Jaguars win that game, I'm not saying they're going to but if the Jaguars win that game, likely that they will, they'll be eight and four Colts. If they lose the Texans, Colts will be eight and four and Texas will be seven and five, and we'll have a one game away where what felt like earlier in the season, as it was strending Colts Coats were gonna run away their potential one seed, and everything else in the AFC South was kind of beaten down. But the Texans Jaguars have been inconsistent. They've been steady. But you know, we'll see kind of what happens in this last stretch in November December football. But we're we could be one game away after this weekend. Could be for some good fun chaos.

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Speaker 1: And if there's one thing we've learned in the twenty twenty five football season, it's Will Compton and Chaos are match made in heaven. You got you two love each other so much. I love chaos, I love sitting there. I love sitting back and just watching the chaos unfold, and then you kind of telling me a story as if I'm a child tucked in and you're reading me a nice little book at night, the Book of Chaos. I enjoy that. You're an individual. You're on Chad GBT. You're wondering how we get the most chaos out of life. Yeah, when it comes to the gridiron, yes, mostly. We'll get to college football later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to college. We'll get college even in some NFL. You know there's chaos. Is all this chaos creative with Philadelphia Eagles. We will We'll get to that once we start talking about the NFC. But yeah, going out to uh, going out to Buffalo, I don't know what to think of Buffalo. I just don't know what to make of Buffalo. Like their defense is inconsistent. You can run the ball on him. Josh Allen's gonna have to be a superhero every game. Receivers are they gonna you know, what's his name? Keon Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna get back?

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Speaker 1: He?

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Speaker 3: I think he uh was last week. He set out for like the first half or first quarter, and I think, like I according to uh, Dion Dawkins after like a postgame interview, it seems like it's like kind of like a character issue, kind of like an attitude type thing and he needs to like dial it in. But like he was a first round draft pick for him, you would like to think that he's out there and like, can.

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Speaker 2: Did he play Thursday?

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Speaker 1: He did not play.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play Thursday. He was an under interview you're talking about was two weeks ago when he got bench for a quarter and said it was character. We gotta get him back on track. But Thursday he wasn't even a dressed.

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Speaker 8: He was a healthy scratch two weeks in a row for missing a team meeting is basically what they said.

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Speaker 7: And then his attitude for how they reprimanded him, I guess is why he was a healthy scratch.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's such man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think Dawkins, I think he handled it really well. Obviously there was internal conversations that took place, but his postgame interview or whatever, when he's like listen, I love the kid, he's awesome. He needs to now show at these levels of growth to get in. So it's like you've had the conversation you publicly said. What it's about, that to me is great leadership by Dean Dawkins, like they handle it that way.

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Speaker 4: Great time of year two for Keyon Coleman to be thankful, just kind of rewrite the script.

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Speaker 1: We write the script. I understand. Hey, listen, you are a young cat, single young cat in the NFL, first round draft pick, first round draft pick, able to play with the reigning MVP, yeah, and to catch balls from Josh Allen, great quarterback, and a team that Wiley is considered a contender in the NFL. You're one of thirty two teams that have the possibility to win a world championship. How beautiful is that?

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Speaker 2: Man? That's to be thankful.

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Speaker 1: That's something to be thankful for it. That's out Stanley Sherman. I love that. But I think I think the answer is this wide receiver room is from a talent standpoint, there we could all kind of say, like they're below averager, they're not getting separation the way they need to get separation. The defense you said it like people can run on them and they're getting injured, and they're getting injured so lost with the right tackle they lost. Yes, Spencer Brown. Spencer Brown was having some issues during the game. He ended up coming out and not finishing from a right shoulder injury. He ended up coming out, not returning back in the game. And if we're gonna stick on the offensive line, here's my biggest issue I have with watching that game. We're gonna stay thankful with these offensive LINEMNF No. I know I brought up to g Deon Dawkins. I think Deon Dawkins is one of the best tackles in the NFL. Like his run blocking ability is, you know, I think in the top ten category. His past block ability is in the top ten category. You're able as an offense to do so much with the tackle like him. And I think Spencer Brown is one of the more underrated tackles in the entire league. But these guys have a a timer is going off in their head when they're in pass production, and you see it multiple times. There are two or three sacks that took place in that game that was because they decided the ball should be out and they stopped blocking, and the defensive end, whether it be Anderson or Hunter, kept going and got the sack. And so that that's a that's a big issue. That is just fixed with effort. But you save yourself your quarterback getting hit two or three other times if you don't have that timer in your head. And a guy like Josh Allen, you know he likes to hold the ball a long time, you know, like being a if you're a deal, doalk in Spencer bron You've been the league long enough to know, hey, you're a wide receiver. Room they're going to take a little bit longer. They need more time to kind of have these routes open unless you're scheming them open in certain ways. That is a big problem that they need to get fixed. But it's easily fixable. Going into next week.

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Speaker 2: It's Spencer Brown two looking at going on ir potentially, Yeah, Bernard they're inside backer. Yeah, he went down to with an elbow, so they're also taking on injuries. Yeah. I think it's the Patriots. Patriots are going to take the East. I think no, it's only I know it's only two games. What are they Is it two games back?

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Speaker 1: I think they're two and a half because they have the type right career as well.

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Speaker 3: I think the Bills are seven and yeah, Bills.

00:18:14
Speaker 1: It's a three games right now.

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Speaker 2: Bills are seven and four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Pats and Bills still't play each other twice this year.

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Speaker 1: Though, No, no, the Pats and Bills already played each other at the Bills the Pats won that game that started the Pats streak or us kind of like opening our eyes to the Patriots. The Bills, they don't play again until I think the first week January.

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Speaker 2: Or late December is when they play again the Patriots. The rest of the way, you got Giants. December fourteenth is when Bills Ravens, Jets and Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: I think, if you're the Bills, this is a deaf Con five pandic mode situation that you're in your three games back, you're in the playoffs right now. You're in the playoffs right now. But I think what the convergences we just took place with the AFC South, AFC West also we have not gotten to that's like you can have multiple teams. They're making the playoffs. It is a scary. It's scary to be a Buffalo Bills in a Buffalo Bills player right.

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Speaker 2: Now, Patriots and Broncos racing for the one.

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Speaker 1: Seed, in the racing for the one seed. What a fun world?

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Speaker 3: Do we get to live in I'm saying, like for the Bills, Like yeah, you may be like in the playoff picture right now, but like your playoffs start now, like you need to Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, It's It's one of those situations for sure.

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Speaker 2: Imagine before the season started, you're not talking. It's like, hey, who's going to race for the one seed in the AFC. It's gonna be like between Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamarr Jackson we're talking about now, we're talking about bow Knicks and Drake May. Bow Knicks and Drake May racing for the one seed in the AFC. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I know you do, my boy, love chaos chaos. Yeah, Daniel Jones as well. I mean, they just lost to the Chiefs and they should not have lost that game. That was a heartbreaking. That's the second biggest heartbreaking game besides Clumps Eagles this past weekend. But yeah, dude, I think I think the it's safe to say the AFC East is owned by the Patriots, or now it is. I mean the Patriots scheduled the rest of the way too. I mean, you have you were fourth or third and your division last year. You're kind of in a place where you're playing the easier teams. We saw the gauntlet the Bills have to deal with there. It's a tough spot, tough tough spot, tough spot to be living in. Right now, looks like we got Greg joining Greg is joining us right now.

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Speaker 2: We were going on nothing. We were just talking ball. We were talking the AFC kind of you know, laughing, loving the chaos out before the season. It's like you're talking Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, a couple of those four races for the one seed in the AFC, and now we're talking about bo Nicks and Drake May.

00:20:39
Speaker 5: It's funny how the league shifts.

00:20:41
Speaker 2: Man.

00:20:42
Speaker 5: So it makes the NFL so good. You just you think, you know, and the reality is none of us have any idea.

00:20:47
Speaker 2: You know that the Patriots are gonna win the AFC East though.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's what it looks like right now, barring what are they ten in? Two?

00:20:56
Speaker 2: Yeah? Ten and two? Yeah? Close?

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Speaker 5: One.

00:20:58
Speaker 2: They had to come back a little bit against the Bengal defense.

00:21:00
Speaker 1: That's all right, Yeah, well was it?

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Speaker 5: I think everybody wants to give They don't play anybody in their schedule has been the easiest, and they haven't bet anybody with the winning record. Like I get all that, but this is not college football right where everyone's schedule is so drastically different. Some years you get lucky and you play the four seed schedule because of the year before, and your schedule is easy and you're at in your crossover division at a conference is an easy one. And then the next year you play the hardest schedule. Like it all, it all evens itself out. You got to take advantage of an easy schedule when you get it, and you never apologize for winning.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy right now? Is I mean I don't want to look ahead of twenty six is we have so much fun football ahead of us in the NFL season. But if we get through the year the way the year is going right now, at some point in February March April, May, so of the the mainstream media is going to stop talking about Drake May as much and bow Knicks, and they're going to go back to the things they're most comfortable with, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, and then were gonna look at the twenty sixth season and the AFC, and we're gonna have those four regular names, but you're gonna add Drake Mayon there, you're gonna add Bo Nicks. And then now we're looking at the AFC like every team in the AFC could win the AFC. Yeah, and that's gonna be that's exciting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what what do you make of so you you covered the Vikings Packers yesterday?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yep.

00:22:24
Speaker 2: A lot of conversations around JJ.

00:22:26
Speaker 1: McCarthy, A lot of conversations.

00:22:28
Speaker 2: What are you seeing as you watch that game? One fold?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a tough it's a tough offense to watch, and I think there's a lot of reasons. Right, So on one side of the coin, we got a guy who's in just made a sixth NFL start, right, So I think it's a little premature to just cast him off and say he's done. He's not an NFL starter, he's Zach Wilson, he's Trey Lance, he's a high first round pick that just can't do it. I think it's too early for that, But I do think there are some alarm bells going off, like, Okay, are we wasting a window where we clearly thought that we were going to be in contention to not just win the division, but to make a deep run in the playoffs after a disappointing end to a fourteen win regular season last year. So I think that's a very reasonable conversation. I think they are running this offense entirely different than they have in years past. This looks entirely different with albeit pretty much the exact same guys on offense in the same play caller, a very different system and scheme and play style to last year. And I understand the offensive line has been very banged up. They started yesterday for the first time all season. Yesterday was the first game that they had their preseason on paper, starting five on there together, and then Christian darrisaw he leaves, the Donovan Jackson, the left guard, he leaves, so they don't even finish the game with that. So offensive line has been an issue. But skill wise, he's got a lot of great guys, obviously, justin Jefferson, Joran Addison, they got Kevin O'Connell, the same play caller. It just looked different. So I think at some point they need to just rip the band aid off and say we'll fix all the fundamentals in the offseason. We'll fix the overstriding, we'll fix throw into his left, we'll fix the base of his mechanics flying open, forget all that. I think if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I'm saying, JJ, just get back and rip it. I don't care if you throw five picks, You're not coming out of the game. I think they need to flip it because right now they're protecting him. It's super run heavy, they're getting nothing out of it, they're not going to score any points, and they're all just doing it to try to protect him and not crush them. I think I would go to the complete opposite going forward and just say you can either do it or he can't. We're not going to handcuff the rest of the offense and the rest of the team, because this is clearly not a style of play that is conducive to scoring points and ultimately winning.

00:24:57
Speaker 1: Are you, Greg I one one hundred percent agree with everything he just said, because if you're Kevin O'Connell, you're sitting there and then and the entire Vikings fan base is now completely impatient because yeah, this is this is a sixth start, but it's his second year with that team, and they've had this anticipation of Juji McCarthy for two years now, and regardless of it's whether it's fair to him, it's not fair to him. That's the way the NFL is. It's impatient, and we have a development issue. If you're Kevin O'Connell, it's if you're in a slump. We had to swing through the slump. Like he threw the ball nineteen times yesterday. We need to double those numbers. And who cares, you're right if it's five picks, six picks, like, we're just gonna keep on ripping it and by December, like maybe he works through those things. Kid does a lot of meditation, does a lot of things folks to himself. He sits there in postgame press conferences or during the week and they're like, hey, are you used to playing quarterback like this? He's very open, like when I was at Michigan, this is not how they taught me to play quarterbacks. So he's learning new.

00:25:52
Speaker 2: He's talk about taking the dog outside and he's getting ten reps in.

00:25:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting ten reps in. It's like, hey, let's make those real live reps and let's see if you're the guy right now, because the way their season's going is if he is the guy, or if you're Kevin O'Connell like, hey, because to me, I see a couple of things where it's like, we have a lot of red flags taking place, a lot of alarms going off. But there are one or two things you see when he does with the ball on time, with the right mechanics, He's throwing guys out of breaks perfect with the in the back of the end zone. He's going high for the end zone. He's doing the low by the hip like he's thwing the football, and ways you're like, oh, okay, that's the guy they wanted to draft right there. But it's like you have between now and the end of the year to truly figure it out because you're not gonna have a fan base that's gonna be patient with the head coach if you don't go and draft a quarterback in the first round if it stays like this, So you've got to be like, hey, let's get let's have him throw the ball thirty six thirty seven times a game and just call this season a wash and rip it. So I agree with you. I love that team.

00:26:48
Speaker 5: You just remember he's not dumb right. He's been around a lot of good ball, He's won a lot of games. He's always been the man. I mean just even back, you know, going with thirty seven and one, thirty six and one, whatever was in college at Michigan winning the Natty. This is a guy who's been around ball, and he understands good ball and he understands bad ball. And I think right now the team thinks they're protecting him. And I don't fault Kevin O'Connell for any of this. He's really trying to find that delicate balance between throwing your young Yeah that was an Inadverton, throwing your young quarterback to the Wolves and crushing him, which we've seen stunt the growth of young quarterbacks for years. But I also think you can stunt the young quarterbacks confidence by putting in a game plan and calling the plays, which signals to everybody who's watching the game or part playing in the game, we don't believe in this guy, like he can't do it, so we're gonna just call this game entirely different from how we otherwise would. I think that's equally debilitating. So I think you overcorrect. Let it rip. You're not benching him, there's no one else to go to, and you're saying, dude, we protected you and we lost three to six. Who cares if we lose forty to six, forty to fourteen, Like, we're not gonna worry about playing not to lose. That formula is obviously not getting us anywhere. We're gonna go out there, let it rip, get back to what you've been, all the confidence in the world, let it eat, and if you throw it to the other team, we'll fix it on Monday. But we can't do this whole run, run, third down, pass, fall behind, and then get into pass mode at the end and just think we're gonna chuck it down by three scorers. Like, you just can't play NFL football that way. And they don't have a lot of choices who they turn to. I'm not suggesting they turn to somebody else, but I think you just let the young kid go out there and let it fly. And you're losing anyway, So what's the difference of the manner in which you lose?

00:28:48
Speaker 2: Right right? I just you know, if you if you go that route and then he you know, because he's like the most inaccurate passer in the NFL. Right now, Like I know, we hate throwing stats, but quarterbacks with at least one hundred attempts, you look accuracy percentage, so ball location, accuracy within the frame, away from the coverage. He's only his accuracy. He's only fifty one percent. There's only three quarterbacks in the league below fifty five, and it's Carson Wentz, it's JJ McCarthy, and it's Michael PENNOCKX and JJ McCarthy's at the bottom. So you might say, you double those numbers and he's that wildly inaccurate and you you mess around and find out at the end of the season. It would just suck if the Vikings they find themselves in a position at the end of the year to where it's like, oh, this probably is not our guy. That's as you have to follow that one to this.

00:29:33
Speaker 5: We talked about this yesterday on the call. You look back into the offseason, right and there's a lot of things that went on in Minnesota. They have Sam Darnold, he moves on to Seattle. Whether or not they offered the same amount of money or not, we'll never really know the truth of how it all went down, but they clearly they let Sam Walkee ends up in Seattle. He's having a great year. And then they have Daniel Jones, right, and from all reports and everyone internally saying, hey, they wanted Daniel. They thought Daniel Jones was the best bang for their buck as far as what they'd have to pay him, and the guy that they saw when they picked him up when he got released from the Giants down the stretch of the season last year. So he signs with Indianapolis under the under the assumption which proved to be right, that he could beat out Anthony Richardson more likely that he'd play in Indianapolis than he measured that he would play if he stayed in Minnesota. So that all plays out and they go all in. But if they don't think JJ McCarthy's their guy, which I think they do and did and still do to a degree. They spent the second most money in the free agency in the entire league, only behind the New England Patriots. Right, So why did the Patriots do it? Because we've got Drake May on a young contract. We're gonna we gotta we got to attack this window for the next four years until we got to pay him seventy million by the time he's up. We got to capitalize on getting this roster as talented as we can in these next four window for a year window, because we have this young rookie quarterback that is a stud I think Minnesota took the exact same approach. They said, listen, we got four years left of JJ McCarthy on a rookie contract. We're paying him peanuts. We're not paying fifty million, we're not paying sixty million. We're going to go all in. We've got Justin Jefferson, We've got a veteran offensive line. We've got one of the top defenses every single year with Brian Flores leading the show. This is our window to capitalize. Kevin O'Connell has made every quarterback that he's worked with play the best version of themselves, and they went all in. Now you take a look and you say, Okay, if you haven't hit on your quarterback and if he's not the guy for the next four years, you're dead. Yeah, because your cap situation stinks, you're over the cap. These contracts just balloon as time goes on. And this window you thought you had four years from now, Justin Jefferson's four years older and Addison and it all starts to break apart. So there is more than just winning and losing games in this moment. The next couple years are tied. Everything they've done organizationally and roster building, everything they've done is tied to the fact that they're going to have a rookie quarterback for the next four years.

00:32:06
Speaker 2: Damn. Yeah, that's a mic. That's a that's yeah, it's kind of a mic drop right there.

00:32:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the Minnesota bike. He's find themselves in a very precarious situation. I don't know if this game was good. Was it was the Browns game taking place while you were calling the game that that was right after That was right after your game.

00:32:22
Speaker 5: I caught some of the highlights of the Browns game, obviously. I saw touchdown. I saw Schador's postgame interview. Yeah, so I caught. I caught. I caught the highlights. I caught the parts that matter, obviously.

00:32:34
Speaker 1: He beat the Raiders twenty four to ten. Every Browns quarterback making their first start, they are oh to seventeen. So Shader Sanders he wins his game, his first start as a quarterback. He's in a category of his own when it comes to the Cleveland Browns. He won his first game. Before the game, he's saying, I'm who the Browns had been looking for. Like that's what he was trying to show. After the game, a lot of people want to see me fail and it ain't gonna happen. Beautiful. The next thing, he says, imagine what a full obviously looks like. Dot dot dot. It's gonna get dangerous, Okay, Donald Trump, he starts coming to tell you, hey, Sedor Sanders, he was great after first game. He's he's saying, I told you so, he's great.

00:33:14
Speaker 2: Jeans, I told you yeah.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: Forty five and forty seven has planted his flagpole in the Sar Sanders camp, being like it was the first one to say it. The Browns are back because I mean, you see the clip of Sudar Sanders scrambling out to his right throwing it deep. Miles Garrett face just lights up. He's like eighteen sacks. But now we finally have a quarterback. This is the best Thanksgiving I'm ever gonna have my entire life. What what the hell is going on in Cleveland? As the Fansky has he said it as he saved his job, is should centers, the second Coming of Jesus, the way they're saying he's going to be like, he didn't have like the greatest stat line in the world, but he operated. He scored twenty four points. He had a live arm. I think it's more than ten points average. They score a game.

00:33:56
Speaker 5: It's exciting listen. At the very least, he adds a little excitement Browns, because I don't know if you could have paid me enough to watch the Browns play the Raiders, right, I mean, that's just bad ball. The Raiders are. They're the worst team in the league. And I don't even think it's.

00:34:14
Speaker 1: Close over the Titans.

00:34:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I think they are like bad bad. I think the Titans showed a little fight yesterday. I think Setle.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: King a push there at the end.

00:34:29
Speaker 1: Competitive loss ye yesterday.

00:34:31
Speaker 5: Yes, I think they're competing. I think there you went again. I've watched bits and pieces of Tennessee, and I know I'm probably biased because cam Ward's a Miami guy. But like when I watch cam Ward struggle in a one when they won one game a one win season, there's a lot of the moments, a lot of those games you come out and you go Okay, yes, I know they haven't won a game, and I know he's actually thrown some but that doesn't look like a young rookie quarterback who's playing out, you know, playing above the level that he looks like he belongs like. That's a guy that looks like he's he's competitive, he's tough. He's gonna throw some ball to the wrong guy. His team stinks, they're not competitive, they've already fired the coach, But that dude belongs like. That's how I watch cam Ward like so wins and losses. But to Shador's point, again, you don't apologize for who you beat. The Raiders stink. Who to the Browns play next week? Do you know?

00:35:23
Speaker 2: Let me look it up for you.

00:35:24
Speaker 1: Sure you're right.

00:35:25
Speaker 5: Oh, they're gonna play some real teams, right, So I just think you have to be very careful. And I know he likes being the bad guy, he likes being the villain. He plays into it. He did in college reach their own. But this is a very humbling sport. And yes, you got off to a good start. You beat the Raiders, you don't apologize, and more power to them. But Kevin Stefanski's not dumb. Kevin Stefanski is a very good football coach. If he thought Shador Sanders was the answer to the problems and the answer to saving his job, Shudor would have been the quarterback weeks ago. So the notion that he's not playing Shodor because he wants him to fail is nonsense. We've all been around this league.

00:36:02
Speaker 1: That's the craziest take I've ever heard.

00:36:04
Speaker 5: People would play. People would play their worst enemy in the world if they thought that they could win and save their jobs. So the notion that Kevin Stefanski is going to go down and have the best quarterback in his roster not play just out of principle or because he doesn't like his postgame interviews, I think is nonsense. So hopefully he is that guy. I like Schador coming out of college. I think he's got some physical skills. He's big, he's strong. I thought he was awesome in college. There is something, though, behind the scenes, as a reason why Kevin Stefanski hasn't turned to him sooner. And we don't know. We're not at practice, we're not in meetings. We don't know what that looks like. But that's an obvious, you know, to conclude, that is not a real leap of faith.

00:36:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm rooting for the kid. Like you said, it's one of those things where he's gonna play some real football teams and I hope he does well. Like I root for him, I root for a story just because again and he fell in the draft. He's a fifth round guy. You know, people love to beat up on and people people holding for him people, but people also love to hate. It's just like when you see his postgame pressers, I'm just thinking, buddy, just caution yourself speaking to your own movie like you're the second, like you're the you're the one, you're the one that was chosen. And then also just speaking to your haters. It's just again, I because all you do is you put yourself in a spot for eternity on critics and everybody like assuming being right until you essentially all you can do is win a super Bowl. Yeah, the way he ends up chirping at times, and it's just I would just I'm rooting for him. I want more people to root for him. And when those things like that get said, when those things happen, it's like I understand why people come after him. Uh, just like I understand people rooting for him. So it's it's all of those things. It's like, bro, just just talk about the team, talk about you know, the gratitude of being in the spot. You got a big one next week, you got to stack another one, right, and just keep the head down.

00:37:57
Speaker 1: And keep going because that you're right. His post in press conference is extremely short sighted and it plays exactly what you said, like he is the main character of his movie. In his mind. There's no other movies taking place in the world, even though we're all kind of dealing with ours. And he's like, I told y'all, imagine this. Imagine that. It's like, Okay, enjoy that for the next six days, because you have another judgment day coming against the forty nine ers, Yeah, on Sunday, And so yeah, Like, and if he does have let's say he has success against the forty nine. So let's say he has he wins five games, five more games or whatever. That's great, he's gonna have an awesome offseason. But then the goalpost is gonna move again. Cay, can you be a playoff quarterback? And then if he makes the playoffs, okay, goal post moves again. Can you win a super Bowl. So the haters are always gonna have something to hold on to unless you're a end up being a Hall of Fame quarterback. That is that that's truly all they have.

00:38:46
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what though his schedule forty nine ers on a short week, defensively are struggling. We'll see them tonight against Carolina, the Bears. They play the Bears next. The Bears defense is not good. The Steelers hit or miss, the Titans, the Bills. Okay, that's a root.

00:39:09
Speaker 1: Suspect.

00:39:10
Speaker 5: But that's that's his final six games. Those are the next that's the six games that he's going to finish the season.

00:39:15
Speaker 1: So so you know something, Oh so you're liking I'm over here talking like this.

00:39:22
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that is not my style. The postgame press conference, the talking ship, the hate, calling out the haters like the No to your point, he's like he's the only character in the movie and like all of us have just been spending all of our time whereing. I'll be honest, I haven't given two thoughts to the Cleveland Browns quarterback Dylan Gabriel or whether any of them. I haven't spent one minute. So the notion that like there's all these haters and stuff. I get how a lot of guys use that as like their motivation, and they use that and more power to them. You win, you could say whatever you want. I am of the opinion of if you win and you're good, you can say and do virtually whatever you want, as long as you're a good teammate and the guys in the building really like you and really go to bad for you. If you have that, you can say whatever the hell you want in the media as long as you win. But you better win, right, and you better play well because if you don't, now that becomes a distraction, that becomes an issue, and now it becomes all of our problems. Now we all have to answer for your postgame press conferences when you don't win and when you don't play well and all that. So I'm with you about him pumping the tires a little bit, but we're going to find out a lot because that's six game stretches by no means of gauntlet, and if he plays well, he deserves a lot of credit. But if he struggles down the stretch against those guys, he's going to have a lot of people come after him and that's just the nature of the business.

00:40:50
Speaker 1: It is very interesting that she George Sanders is the main storyline coming out of Cleveland. When Miles Garrett has eighteen sacks right now with six games left and is probably most likely going to beat Michael Strahan's sack record in a season, and that'll happen. It'll be a fart in the way, like, hey, Miles Garrett did it. He did something incredible that you know, Michael Sandan has held this this prestigious accolade for twenty years or whatever it is. And then we'll just move on to But what does Shadur do? He threw a pick? Is he washed? Is he done? Is it over?

00:41:19
Speaker 2: So it's the Shadeur story though, Like that's been such a headline since he fell in the draft or maybe didn't fall into whatever, it's been such a storyline, but such a hot topic to talk about. He finally gets a start and it was one of those games like I didn't watch the game because it was Brown's Raiders, but like after they win and I see people throwing up his highlights on the internet and stuff, I'm like, you know, I'm wanting to go in and see, like, Okay, let's see how how he did in the post game, Like I want to hear from Shadur, and then I hear him in the postgame press, I'm like, oh no.

00:41:45
Speaker 1: No, because you're watching unfold, you're seeing someone like live on a wind way too hard, which we've all seen, whether it be high school, college, NFL, we've all we all know of a guy in our head right now that rode that high a little too hard, and it's like, oh, buddy, there is a cataclysmic situation coming down the pipe for you right now.

00:42:03
Speaker 2: You just think to yourself, like, all right, if you want to apply all this pressure to you, which again I respect you, you gotta go out and you got to continue to sling the rock. You got to continue to get better so he can continue to, you know, speak to his haters after.

00:42:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, there restricts me as a guy, that is. I don't think he's playing three D chess. I don't think he's like sitting there looking five six moves ahead of everybody else right now. He's a moment type of cat and well he's in a great moment right now. But I think if Sunday, if he lays an egg on Sunday, against the forty nine ers. He's like, oh shit, I probably should have said those things.

00:42:33
Speaker 2: And you know, speaking of great moments, so a great moment we got to live in yesterday. They didn't win the football game, but just the feeling and moment that we get to hold on to and capture that we'll be telling our kids about one day or telling the next generations about. But Jamis Winston, Yeah, going out there, slinging the rock, catching touchdown passes. It's trick plays. Like it's so fun to watch that man play football. It really is, right, it really is. Like anytime he's on he gets to be the starting quarterback, you don't know what's gonna happen, but you know it's gonna be electric. You're gonna get a pregame speech, which he gave. He's like, well, we might be inside or what do he say something?

00:43:10
Speaker 1: He said we might be inside, we'd be outside today or the opposite. I'm not even sure.

00:43:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we might be outside, but we inside his you know, and all this streamers and all the networks and everyone's fighting for like content, someone needs to buy Jameis Winston's exclusive pregame speech, and it's only allowed to air on your network. Yeah, that is like it is must listen, must watch, whatever you want to classify it. As we were doing, we had a lot of like game breaks, you know, during the game, we'll like go to CHRISA. Thompson in the studio at Fox and she'll do like a game break and she'll give us an update when a team scores or whatever. And then early in our game they went to a bunch of game breaks because the Giants, you know, he caught the like flea flicker touchdown or whatever he caught and Shakespeare a touchdown. So it kept being like Jamis Winston highlights the first half of our game breaks. And he's just he is a thrill a minute. You talk about a guy who's gonna let it rip and a couple of them might go to the wrong team, but like, he doesn't bad and I he does not care, He's unfazed, does not affect his next throw. He he is a special cat as far as just his personality and his outlook, and everybody who's ever played with him absolutely loves him.

00:44:25
Speaker 2: Loves him. Bro the leadership he keeps like while he's in the game, like talking to his guys just everything. Yeah, I enjoy watching him.

00:44:32
Speaker 5: He's really Greg.

00:44:33
Speaker 1: Have you Greg, have you seen the movie Animal House?

00:44:36
Speaker 5: Yeah?

00:44:36
Speaker 1: Okay, good, because I know Will hasn't, so I want to kind of give this reference. But his pregame speeches remind me when Bludo stands up, he's like, over, was it over? When the Germans bomb Pole Harbor, the guy leans Beck goes, just let him go. He's on a roll like that? Is that to me? Is James Woodson every time he's got a mic on him, and I'm like, bro, he might say things that we the common man can't understand, and I clearly am a common man, but I I absolutely love it, Like anytime when he went and did the Super Bowl? Was it with Fox? I think he did like a Fox Super Bowl thing where he was like going around New Orleans. I'm like, bro, this dude needs to be on TV twenty four to seven. He's gonna make more money off the field when he's done than when he's like now, when he's on the field playing in the NFL. It's so beautiful, Bro, it's amazing.

00:45:20
Speaker 5: He's something.

00:45:21
Speaker 2: Usually he's one.

00:45:21
Speaker 1: Of the kind. It's it sickens me that Will does not understand that reference.

00:45:25
Speaker 2: I know one day I will one day I'll watch animal Hut he got to but his quote was we outside, but we inside. And then he's like, I don't care what boundaries you have to cross, any by any means necessary. However we can get the win today. I know, if I'm like staying in the heddle, I'll be like laughing to myself, like I don't care what boundaries you have to cross, dude, he was just thinking of the most extreme shit.

00:45:46
Speaker 5: You're I hated pregame speeches. It didn't matter who it was. It could have been like the guy in Miracle, the coach in Miracle given like the greatest speech before a game of all time when we beat the Russians. Like I was not a big like pregame speech guy. I didn't need it, I didn't care for it. I would just if I was his teammate. I know, I would be like in my back of my mind like roll like rolling my eyes, like all right, let's move on with this.

00:46:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:46:12
Speaker 5: But there's something about when Jamis does it that like it does hold my interest for a guy who hates pregame speeches, there's something about Jamis that I'm actually like all right, keep going, dude, have your moment.

00:46:26
Speaker 3: You know.

00:46:26
Speaker 1: I was. I was a little bit like that. Anytime someone was like kind of nice on the mic, like they gave a good pregame speech, I'd be front and center. All right, I'm ready to hear this. But when you get the guy be like we all hear we brothers, it's like, all right, let's fucking let's go.

00:46:39
Speaker 2: Play the football. Got it? Like yeah, for each other, get it?

00:46:43
Speaker 5: Anybody else all we.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: Have no one here believes And I was like, I get it, I've heard all the things. Let's move on.

00:46:48
Speaker 5: But you got to host game speech is better?

00:46:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. If I had a high school coach, Charlie Ragel that would give these pregame speeches and my eyes would be welting up before the game, like I'm prepared to die for this man, it would the greatest, greatest.

00:47:02
Speaker 5: That's a different animal.

00:47:03
Speaker 2: That's that's that's when you're ready, like you're you're you're any any what any coach says can get you motivated in high school because it's Friday night, it's all these movies that are playing in your head. You want to go to the league. All this stuff like that's greatness. But once you're there, it is it's We did have one guy's name was Martrell Spade where he got people juiced to be like, fuck the beast, we want war, and everybody would just be going nuts with them.

00:47:24
Speaker 1: That's that's a line to me. I'd like, oh, ship, like he's doing, like the next speech he gives, I'm gonna kind of shoot myself up to the front a little bit, dude.

00:47:31
Speaker 2: That is that. But then there's something that you're sitting there like Greg's talking about, and we're like, all right, hey, like let's just get the We had, uh. Deshaun Golston one year, he was he was with us in Washington, love D Gold, love D Gold. But he was giving us a speech like after practice, talking about the upcoming game, and I just got the phone with my boy. He was he's in the military and Afghanistan. He you know, he would have to pull the trigger on anybody. Could be little kids, could be a little girl. He's got to pull the trigger. Just when we go into this game this weekend, flip the switch, take the safety off, and I like look to my I like look to my teammate on the left. I'm like he wants to kill kids this week.

00:48:08
Speaker 1: Dude, this is this is textbook. You know a bad speech is coming. Pre game. Everyone takes a knee. All right, yeah, our father, Lord Heaven, like you do the prayer. Everyone kind of stands up. Coach hits you with something like Rabel would always kind of talk about like how the game was about to go, and he did a great job of like crystal ball in the game. He finishes, all right, bring it up, let's get out of here. And someone goes, hey, I got something to say real quick that that is the moment you know we're about to lose some juice right here. That's when you know ship is about to go downhill. And it's always a guy that almost had to see on his chest. Hey, I got something. I mean, I mean, ninja smoking, fade to the back real quick as this. It can't be a top, can't You can't be a cherry on top guy?

00:48:54
Speaker 5: Man.

00:48:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:48:55
Speaker 1: Everybody slowly puts their arm down. Yeah, it's I got something to say. Ah, fuck, dude, here we go, Here we go, dude.

00:49:07
Speaker 2: How about the how about the rams just beating them the bucks last night?

00:49:10
Speaker 1: Donkey stomping like and here's a This is a good example of like we talked about Shadur and like, hey, now the haters are gonna come for you no matter what. Baker Mayfield has found himself in this world where he was one of the most hated guy by the quote unquote media haters when he first got in the league. Now it's like Baker can do no wrong. Like he wasn't having a great game, ends up getting hurt and the Rams run away. For everyone's like, if Baker stays healthy, let me get this team healthy. Like this is a contending team. So your heart goes out to the Bucks. But Matthew Stafford man is incredible with twenty five touchdowns, zero interceptions, thirty seven years old.

00:49:45
Speaker 5: It might be twenty seven.

00:49:47
Speaker 1: Excuse me, twenty seven, twenty eight, Oh, Mitch over here five?

00:49:53
Speaker 2: How many Mitch?

00:49:54
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Hit the mic? What is it?

00:49:55
Speaker 3: In the last eight games, stafford is twenty five touchdowns and zero interceptions.

00:50:00
Speaker 1: He's a surgeon out there right now, a surgeon.

00:50:02
Speaker 5: He's unbelievable.

00:50:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got him as a front runner for the MVP race. I know it's kind of him and Drake Mays who everybody I say.

00:50:09
Speaker 5: It's him and Drake May. I think a lot of that is starting to come into and again, we got six weeks left, so a lot could change. But yeah, as of right now, it's it's him and Drake May. I think I've separated themselves from the pack. So they check all the boxes quarterbacks, top teams in the league, you know, they covered all. I think Vrabel's coach of the year, barring some catastrophe down the stretch. I know, how how does he you know, turning around the Patriots and literally one season is pretty remarkable. But yeah, I mean watching Stafford play last night, it wasn't too long ago. Back in August, there was a lot of people saying, is this guy ever going to play again? Right? He can't practice, he's out six weeks, he can't move. He's got it back, and now not only is he playing on one of the best teams in the league, if not the best team in the league, he's the best player in the league. And he's starting games eleven for eleven and he's letting it rip. And Devonte Adams looks like Devontae Adams at five years ago, and Puka Nakua and running this McVeigh offense. So yeah, he's he's incredible. They won that game. We did a couple two weeks ago, that great game against Seattle. Neither offense played particularly great. Obviously, he just didn't turn Stafford just did a nice job not turning the ball over, and they did just enough to win the game. But his entire body of work. Yeah, if if I'm casting a vote right now, I'm voting for him.

00:51:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a beast, dude.

00:51:33
Speaker 1: And I cannot wait to see the rematch of those two teams play because, yeah, Sam Donald has four interceptions in that game and they still have a field goal to go and win it at the end. Those are the two teams in my head, especially with the Eagles absolutely fumbling club. Look at me fumbling a twenty one. Oh they're up twenty one.

00:51:51
Speaker 2: They haven't blown a twenty one point lead since nineteen ninety nine.

00:51:54
Speaker 1: Oh I was eight. I mean that was Greg was in college. That's crazy high school. I mean interest, Those are the two teams in my head that it's like, oh, this is going to be the representative out of the NFC. They are, They're that good. You see the Seahawks step upon from a defensive standpoint when they played the Rams. They're getting that many turnovers. It's it's beautiful to watch the NFC West right now. They are They're beautiful.

00:52:20
Speaker 2: What do you make of let's just get on the topic of the Eagles. What do you what do you make of the Eagles?

00:52:27
Speaker 5: Man? They are a tough nut to crack. I'll tell you I've had them a couple times this year, and I've gone into the game saying, I don't know why they're not better on offense. You know, they got a J Brown and DeVante Smith and Saquon Barkley, and you know, two of the best tackles in football and a really good offensive line and Jalen Hurts is a Super Bowl MVP. I would find myself going into games and being like, then, why aren't they better? Like what is missing? Why is this not a consistent, high flying offense? And I had them early in the year against the Rams. They did nothing in the first half, and and in the second half they absolutely explode in they come back and they beat the Rams, and I walk out of the stadium, I'm like, they're really good Vikings. And it was probably the best game Jalen Hurts has played all season long. He was incredible. He was letting it rip passing game. Then they get Saquon going after they kind of spread everybody out, and I walk out and I'm like, Okay, they're pretty good. So like every time I see them in person, I walk out of the stadium saying they're wildly talented. They're really hard to beat because they don't have just one path to victory. They can beat you defensively, they can beat you on the ground, in the air, they can win close games, they can win low scoring, They've won some shootouts. They're just a tough beat. But then you watch them on a larger scale, you watch them over a larger sample size, and you just say there's something missing, Like why is a team with that roster and that depth and that pedigree of coaching and the amount of wins that they've had, Like why are they so up and down? Why is there so much drama coming out? Why is there a story every single week coming out of the locker room? It just I don't get it. I'm a huge Sirianni guy. I love him. I love that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's got a little shit to him. I like that. I don't need my coach to be a choir boy like I like, he's got some fire and shit to him. I just can't put my finger on why it's such a roller coaster and why it's such a wild ride, because personnel wise, I think, I don't know. Is it the turnover of the offensive coordinators every year? They've had five coordinators over the last couple Like, maybe it's that, Maybe it's I really I They're one of the few teams that I just have a really hard time coming up with, like a concrete here's what they are, because every time you think you do the next game right, they're the complete opposite.

00:54:47
Speaker 2: Right. It's because I've been I've kind of been trolling the Eagles fan base all year long because, like I'm with you, like I've always felt something when you're watching the game. To me, it's like they don't have as near as good of a running game as they did last year. Which it's like, Okay, say they take a step back, you still got Saquon Barkley, you still got a pretty decent line of scrimmage. Is it the play calling, the simplicity of it at times? Is it tendency oriented? And then also it's like you we all understand now that there is drama inside the locker room, whether it's with AJ and Jalen, with other teammates with it all seems to kind of go around Jalen a little bit. And when you when you put a microscope on Jalen's play, to me, when I watch Jalen, hurts play like unless he knows exactly what he's doing with the football, or a guy is just wide open in front of his face, he's not letting it rip. Like his timing isn't always there. His timing is again when he's when he's when he's on I say in rhythm. I'm not saying he gets in rhythm all the time. But when he knows exactly what he's doing, when that ball is snapped, he looks good. But the moment he hits the first his first option gets taken away or he's got to move his feet a little bit. He misses guys over the middle that are right there. It would be tight windows where you see a lot of a lot of quarterbacks still zipping those in. He doesn't take those chances. And so when you have that and you don't have a run game like that, offense is very average and it's crazy to stay with the talent and the names that the names that they have on that offense. Defense, I think they play elite football. Like they're good front front to back. They got a lot of depth, They got hogs up front, they got linebackers that can run and hit. They got dbs that can cover, except for you know, people kind of put a blemish on adri Jackson at times.

00:56:25
Speaker 1: But he's played better though, and he got hurt, Yeah, he got.

00:56:27
Speaker 2: Hurt this pass game. But their defense plays really well. And when it's all gonna when it comes down to the offense and you're not gonna be able to run the ball with Saquon Barkley, dude, if you're not getting the ball out fast with Jalen or just taking these random shots down field at times, again when he knows what he's going to be doing with the football, like they're a very average team.

00:56:44
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, No, I agree to it. I think it goes you have to look at two specific things because you're right, well, you point out the roster they have an offense, greg like, there should be no reason for them not to be successful in the NFL. They are a like an All Star cast. Their offense Lane Johnson's officely down. But there's two things to me, you look at you look at Jalen Hurts the way you just explained, or you look at who the OC is and how they're calling the game so or how they're schematically like getting these players open because you have aliens on both sides of you and God are like God, you have a good tight end also and you have the protection. So to me, it's like, all right, it's either got to be the OC or it's got to be the quarterback that's not doing what they're supposed to be doing. Because it's it is the most confusing offense to look at. Clump and I were tics met yesterday. It's like at this point, you know the Cowboys are starting to come back and they're gonna win, but it's like, this is the most boring offense to watch when you have these aliens, it should be one of the more exciting offenses to watch. But you're right, like he does not if his first if his first read is not open, it's like you have no idea what's gonna take place?

00:57:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like and again people might be thinking, I'm just like pulling this out of thin air too, because again, I'll troll some fan bases at times. But if there's like there was like eight fifty two on the clock yesterday in the fourth quarter, he had the tight end I got, or whoever the tight end was. If he just of the middle, he's got an easy completion right there. And then the very last play of the game, Dallas is in cover one and his first reads not open. He has enough time to still rip the ball before he gets hit or before he takes a sack, whatever happened on that last play. But Devonte Smith whoops, whoops, oh buddy for a corner route, and he just doesn't. He doesn't rip the ball because he's not taking those chances.

00:58:22
Speaker 1: And hey, Tid, you go back and watch that film and you see where Jalen Hurts throws it. You see receivers open and in other parts of the field, and it's like, it's tough, Greg, what are we doing here?

00:58:33
Speaker 5: Here's the one big thing that I'll leave And this is not so much specifically about Philly as much as he's just like a general observation around the league going from one year to the next. There's a couple things that are sustainable, and a couple things that inevitably regress back to the mean. One of them is defense in general, the ability for that defense to take the ball away. And then the other thing is the explosive nature of a run game. Typically those things don't last year over year over year. There's some sort of like anomaly of a season. Right, you're just talking about Minnesota. Last year they had thirty three takeaways. This year they have nine. It's the same defensive coordinator, give or take a lot of the same guys. I know Grenard's missed some times, Van Ginkles missed some times. Last year he was incredible. So there's always nuance. But that's the NFL. Right, You're not gonna have the same health track records, You're not gonna have the same people at every position year over year. It's hard to wrest your hat on those elements. The one element of NFL football that for the most part, carries over year after year after year is really high level quarterback play. Really good quarterbacks. Range of outcomes is typically smaller. They could have better years or worse years, and some sort of level of you know, there's a spectrum of their performance, but it's typically not the same regression from top tier quarterbacks, top tier running games. It's gonna be up and down. The ability of a defense to defend points giving up historically like it just those things don't typically last over long periods of time. So we're seeing a regression in the ability to take the ball away. You're seeing a regression in the explosive runs that really powered their Super Bowl run. And then obviously Jalen Hurts was awesome in the Super Bowl and was the MVP. But Saquon ripping off sixty five yard touchdowns what seemed like every single playoff game he ripped off two against the Rams to beat them or else they go home. It's just hard to count on that. You're just not going to get that over long periods of time, over multiple seasons in a row. Regression is real, and if you're built your team around those things, you better strike while you're riding the high because no matter how much you coach it, you can't guarantee how turnovers come, and you can't guarantee explosive run plays. It just doesn't work like that. And the Eagles are one of one hundred, you know, hundred examples going on around the league where teams aren't as good as they were last year, and people are trying to figure out why you.

01:01:06
Speaker 2: Broke that down really well, really well, because I always hate too, like when when you start to like zoom in on a team, then you have to zoom in on certain players, and then you also it's like you have to like nitpick their game a lot, like you kind of bringing it back out and taking a couple taking a couple of samples from explosive runs and turnovers and everything else. How it all marries together. It's like there's another element there too that stays true in that's high level quarterback play. You broke that down really well. Just wanted to say that, thank you.

01:01:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, giving the flowers. I think this might be the last game before we let you go. But the Chiefs keep the playoff chances alive. They play against the Colts, they go to overtime, they end up when being the Colts twenty three twenty at home. Will, and this is just a note Will getting cooked for his Chiefs no playoffs take. Does he still believe they won't make it? That's a question for Will. But the Chiefs are down eleven, right, and they rally back, make it they're down twenty to nine, rally back to go to the overtime and they end up winning that game. What is this? Is this the Colts fumbling the bag?

01:02:06
Speaker 5: Here?

01:02:06
Speaker 2: WILLI?

01:02:07
Speaker 1: Is this is this the Chiefs that they're Hey, they're actually just that good defense. I'll let you take this one first before you go to Greg.

01:02:15
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are the most formidable opponent I have ever faced in my life. I've been hunting this team for a few years now, and anytime you feel like you got them dead in the rights, they avoid it somehow. And they looked good on that comeback yesterday against the Colts. Couple penalties there that you can start to grab. Here comes the referees for the Chiefs.

01:02:33
Speaker 1: Now, this is well, this is Elmore and bugs Bunny to a team we've seen this battle before. But keep going.

01:02:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you know, Willie, see, I personally don't have them making the playoffs. Like, there are still many opportunities on the board left. It's gonna start getting tight. I'm gonna start getting a little bit more uncomfortable in the pocket. But I've lived in this lane so long. I got to stay in the lane. So I'm going to UH. I don't have them making the playoffs. Colts had a tough beat No TA against a good Chiefs football team in Arrowhead. Colts are gonna have to take care of business this weekend against the Texans because they could find themselves in a little bit of a dust up there in the AFC South that we were talking about earlier. Yeah, but I'm not you know, look, you can't hit them all. You can't hit them all. Yesterday I thought it was gonna be I thought I was gonna take an ass whooping all day long. I was on ESPN National Television just telling all the families in Kansas City, get ready for your children to start ask for bow Nicks, Jerseys, Chiefs dynasty's over. Rome is falling. You're not gonna make the playoffs in twenty fourteen. Now there's a heartbeat there. I also was on national television talking about Dallas Cowboys are gonna beat the Eagles, because again I'm bad of picking against the Eagles. The Eagles been stuffing it down my throat week in and week out. But I saw something with the Dallas Cowboys. It looked real bleak yesterday when the when the Cowboys were down twenty one to nothing, but to get that win out at the end of the night, that felt good. But as far as the Chiefs go, I still look, they're still in a division that the Broncos are gonna win. They're still gonna have to battle the wild car spot with the Chargers. You're looking at Jaguars, you're looking at the Texans. Who else in the AFC that could they dealers with Steelers or Ravens. You could go, you know, you can go either dision, right, but they're going to be in a wild card hunt. The Chiefs are as they try to make the playoffs. So it's kind of the only thing I can hang my hat on is Okay, they beat the Colts, they were at Arrowhead. They will not be at Arrowhead come playoff time.

01:04:22
Speaker 1: So if they make the playoffs, is that do you win the war? They make the playoffs, but they get kicked, they get bounce in the wild card.

01:04:28
Speaker 2: There's still a job to be done, and that's keeping them from winning the super Bowl.

01:04:31
Speaker 1: Okay, So that that's the that's the farther goal posts, your first goal post. Let's keep them out the playoffs.

01:04:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, first one you're gonna do I'm gonna do whatever I can to keep this team out of the playoffs.

01:04:41
Speaker 5: Greg, well, let's just talk about and again I just I catch the recaps of most of these games, but like the main tipping points of what kind of determines the outcome, and I think Shane Steiken, if it wasn't for the job Vrabel's doing, I'd probably say Shane Steiken's the coach of the year because I don't think anybody in a million years thought that the Colts would be having the season that they have had with Daniel Jones and the resurgence of his career and coming off the you know, the poor draft in of Anthony Richardson or the poor development whatever you want to classify that being obviously that was a miss, and then they bring in Daniel Jones and they're having a great year. They look like they're on their way to the playoffs, and they've had some great games. But you look at the end of that game, you have the ball on the plus side of the fifty with four ish minutes to go up by three on fourth and four, and you punt, yeah, because it feels safe. It feels like I don't have to answer for this Hey, the defense has to do a better job getting a stop. Hey, we got to execute in overtime. If you give the ball to Patrick Mahomes to go the long way. Even if you fail and you give him the ball and he goes down and kicks a field goal, you're probably getting the ball back, right, Or he goes down and scores a touchdown to take the lead, you're going to get the ball back. But you punt and I don't know exactly where he took over. Let's say it was a good punt and it's inside the fifteen ten yard line and you pin him back. That's the idea of punting from the plus side of the field. If he scores on you, he probably took up all of it, or it's at least under the two minute by the time he scores by field goal or touchdown, you're not going to possess the ball. And sure as hell, what do they do. They take a long, methodical drive, They run the clock all the way down, they force, they kick a field goal, they force overtime, and Indianapolis never touches the ball again in regulation. So again, once you get to overtime, the variance is out the window, right, overtime is a whole new game. The idea is to make decisions that give you the best chance to win in regulation. You don't punt fourth and four on the plus side of your opponent's team with a three point lead with four minutes that you just can't do it.

01:06:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you just.

01:06:54
Speaker 5: Can't do it. And if you fail and they go the short way and you lose, you've got to stand up the podium and you've got to eat it, like like Dan Campbell does multiple times. You got to eat it. But this whole notion of like I'm gonna let my defense win it, I'm gonna play field position, it's a crock of shit. Teams are continuing to lose and lose and lose because they don't want to stand up there and face the music if it goes the wrong way. They'd rather you lost anyway. But now you hey we got to play better defense. Hey we got to do a better job in overtime. Hey, we got it. But if you fail on fourth and four and you lose, the only question you're being asked is why did you not punt? And coaches are uncomfortable, they don't like it, and this is not unique to Shane Steichen, it's pretty much every coach around the league, with the exception of a couple.

01:07:44
Speaker 2: It drives me insane, and you give you another assets of the Chiefs, like one of their weaknesses throughout the entire season is running the football right defense is on the field that long. Now their weakness becomes they're able to compliment more and it can become a strength like Kareem Honey, it's up. They end up running the ball well at the end of the game because the defense was on the field for like eighty something plays. They're drained. So now you're getting a check attacked by this Chiefs offense who's not very good at running the football. Now they can basically do everything to you, especially going to ot.

01:08:11
Speaker 1: Because one thing that Greg doesn't like, which is running the football. The thing that the Chiefs did hold they sat back and they said, from the beginning of the game to the end of the game, we are going to establish the run as a threat that the Colts have to defend. And they did that and it paid off dividends for them. Because the Chiefs, with the way they've kind of changed their game is like they used to be able to splash. Hey, we're gonnahit you with X play. After X play, we're gonna march on the field and a minute and a half and we're gonna get a touchdown. We're gonna move on now. Our defense is going to stand up. The Chiefs have had to change a little bit, and you see it. Most prominent in this game against the Colts is from the first snap to the last step. They utilized the running back as a weapon for them to get them into third and manageable and keep the chains moving. They killed them with time of possession. So if you're stiching, I agree with everything you said. Greg is like you're fourth and four at this point. I think we can all agree. If you're between the forties, you don't punt anymore like you have to. You bend the knee. You live and die by the sword, and you continue to play the game that way. And I think if you go for it, like hey, you get it, you're able to probably win that game. You're gonna kick three or you're gonna end up scoring a touchdown. If you don't get it, you have a lot more time, Like you're pointing out, you're gonna have one, two, maybe even three minutes left to go and put a drive together to have a game winning field goal. So I hate it for Styking because if he doesn't get it, it's like you're damn if you do, damn if you don't. But like, how are you going out? You know, you're out the bitchway, You're out the Hey, I'm gonna die in my swordway, and the die of my swordway is going for it on fourth. But run the football. That's a huge win for the Chiefs.

01:09:41
Speaker 5: Yeah. And the answer is really easy, Hey, why did you go for it there? Why not punt? The answer is because I'm kicking the ball to arguably the best player of the last of the generation. We've seen him time in time and time again. Go down there and find a way to at least tie that game up. Yeah, So by giving them the ball at the you know, when they possessed the ball, the minus forty five forty whatever it ended up being, as opposed to the minus ten, the likelihood of after they tie the game up, I now will get another possession. Because the goal is not to go to overtime. The goal is to win in regulation. There is no forcing overtime. That is not part of any of these decision processes, and if they are, the coaches are wrong. Every decision is about I want the game to end in regulation with me winning. Their run game, they ran the ball forty one times for one hundred and forty eight yards three point six yards of carry.

01:10:39
Speaker 1: Love it, Love that that is, I love I love that.

01:10:47
Speaker 2: Give it to him.

01:10:49
Speaker 5: They threw for three hundred and fifty two.

01:10:51
Speaker 1: Yards balanced offense.

01:10:53
Speaker 2: Love it.

01:10:54
Speaker 6: No.

01:10:54
Speaker 5: But the part everyone's forgetting is it's not about ball control. It's not about time of possession. It's about how many points can you score. And until they kicked a an end of game like walk off to send to overtime field goal, only because the Colts decided to give you the ball back, they had seventeen points.

01:11:19
Speaker 1: Greg, I love where you're coming from. Here's what I'll say, Dude, you can't you are playing points.

01:11:23
Speaker 5: You're playing running the ball for three and a half yards. I don't care if you ran the ball two hundred and fifty times. You can't run the ball for three and a half yards forty plus times and think you're gonna score any points.

01:11:35
Speaker 1: You can't score points, Greg, if you are playing a team that is number one, in every major category. On the offense side of the ball, you, as the Chiefs and Andy Retas, sit back and go, Okay, can we go point for point with them? The answer to that is no. So how do you beat a team that puts points on the board fast, often and multiple time?

01:11:56
Speaker 5: I get it. Under pressive on offense is my point.

01:12:01
Speaker 1: Okay, just making sure, just making sure we're on the same page. I love it.

01:12:04
Speaker 5: No, I never fought the inferior team for playing low possession ball control. I get that whole argument. That argument is going to be You're not gonna win any meaningful games. You might win that game like that is not a recipe for winning over long sample sizes. My argument is, if I'm Indianapolis and I'm Shane Staken, I'm not giving the ball back to Mahomes. I don't care if they had two points the whole game. We've seen Mahomes in those moments kill people and just end their dreams and go down and do what he did yesterday, regardless of how the rest of the game goes on. But to pretend that running forty one times for one hundred and forty eight yards is a sustainable model for winning NFL games over long periods of time. It's just not now you want you want to show me a run game that did matter yesterday jimior gibbs y seventeen times for two hundred and something yards. That's a great run game. Yes, that's a better run game than a passing game. Yes, but he's averaging carry.

01:13:06
Speaker 1: I agree with you. If we go back to the Chiefs and the Colts, the thing that makes Andy Reid so great is he evaluates not only the team he's playing against, but the team he has, and he's like, Okay, where does our best lineup against their best? If I'm an offensive standpoint offense versus offense, it did not play well. I don't disagree with you that running the ball forty one times a game for three point six yards per carry is a sustainable thing throughout the season. However, if that is what it calls for to catch at w then that's what you need to do. Now. If they go and play the Raiders next week. If I'm the Chiefs, I'm like, well, yeah, we don't need to run the Chiefs.

01:13:37
Speaker 2: Chiefs got to go to Dallas next week.

01:13:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if that's the case, if Chiefs have to go to Dallas next week. I'm thinking, now we open it up, because, yeah, the defense has played well for the Cowboys the last couple of weeks, but our best is better than their best, and so I trust Patrick Mahomes ripping the ball down the field versus the Cowboys defense as opposed to holding time and possession of those sorts of things.

01:13:59
Speaker 5: So I'm also and and do you think for as good as Fags is and as good as the Chiefs defense is, and I think they're really good, do you think seventeen points is enough to beat the Dallas Cowboys?

01:14:10
Speaker 1: No? No, No, I think it's a different football team. You're playing a different football team.

01:14:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it.

01:14:18
Speaker 3: I don't know.

01:14:19
Speaker 5: I just you know, we heard this last night a thousand times listening to the Rams game. It's like, man, everyone's so worried about this Rams running game and this passing attack. They had thirty one points at halftime and they had twenty two yards rushing.

01:14:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg, that people are scoring.

01:14:38
Speaker 5: All these points because of the running games.

01:14:40
Speaker 1: Moving stupid, You're moving the goalpost on me. I'm saying, what does the game call for? As a coach, and in the Chiefs, the best way for them to win was eat up to the possession, run the force, feed the football, and then from a ground game perspective, because for whatever reason, your receivers you don't have the ability to push the ball from an X play standpoint on the field and the offense on the other side of field. They're number one in every major statistic, every category. So you have to keep their offense off the field by eating up time position. How do you do that? Run the football forty one times?

01:15:12
Speaker 5: No, I get that. Hence the original no, I agree with what you're saying, so said goes back to what I said about what Indianapolis did. You're Shane Stiken. You have an opportunity for the knockout shot. You've got the ball plus side, four minutes to go in the game. Why give the ball back? Give your offense, this offense that everyone's you know, you're saying is like so amazing and they're the best in the league. Give them an extra down to pick up the first down. And now you come out of the game and you win whatever to seventeen And what's the conversation is the conversation this morning with Kansas City man that run game really did no the conversation is their offense can't score any points.

01:15:53
Speaker 1: Right, I'm with you, and I agree with the fourth and fourth the colt all.

01:15:56
Speaker 5: The bigger picture at play, Like that's my greater the thing that I just continue to try to pound from the rooftops because in the in the postseason, when all the shitty teams are out and all the bad teams are out, and it's only the good teams now, defense, run game, ball control, turnover, battle field position. Yes, all of that now has a much greater impact on the outcome of the game because for the most part, you're only left with the good teams in the regular season. If you can't throw the ball consistently week in and week out, you will not score enough points to win.

01:16:37
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, Greg too. It's you're like the recipe, give them another down to go out there and get a new set of downs, or if not, and the Chiefs go down to score opportunity for a series.

01:16:48
Speaker 1: Every every the league is doing.

01:16:52
Speaker 5: It's with every good defense, Seahawks, the Eagles to a degree, the Rams they're playing, Nickel and Dime are saying, I want you to run the ball. Remember the question everyone needs to ask themselves if you just take a step back and say, okay, what's the easiest way to formulate this? If you ask defensive coordinators, hey, you call the plays. You now get to call the plays that you're going to defend. What types of plays will defensive coordinators choose to defend? Three and a half to four and a half yard runs? That sounds amazing to every decordinator league. They will sign up for forty of those tomorrow. So why would you do it? What do they want you to punt? They want you to kick a field goal from fourth and goal to four? The question should be what does the other side want me to do? I'm going to do the opposite. Yet we continue to see teams all across the league make decisions that are actually in agreement with their opponent, what the opponent would choose them to do for them, over and over and over again. Love this ball and it's all emotion. It feels right, it feels tough. I feel like I'm a tough team because I can run. I feel tough because I can defend the run. You're not gonna run the ball down my throat. You're gonna score in two plays instead of ten. That's what people like, it's just so stupid.

01:18:19
Speaker 1: I'm with you on everything.

01:18:20
Speaker 5: It's so it's so emotional and football people don't like having their toughness question. And for twenty plus years we've had it force fed down our throat, the value of stopping the run and the and it's nonsense. I'm gonna stop fifty yard runs. I'm gonna stop Jamiir Gibbs running for two twenty on seventeen carries. Yes, I need to stop that. I don't need to stop forty one for one forty eight. That's great. Patrick Mahomes threw for three hundred and fifty two yards.

01:18:54
Speaker 2: I feel like he's yelling at us now.

01:18:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm not yelling at you, I think, but that point, we're all on the same pitch. We're all agreeing at this.

01:19:03
Speaker 5: I love you. This is not you. I'm yelling this to the ether. You guys, just give me the platform to do this.

01:19:07
Speaker 2: No, I love being in this position feeling like my head ball coach is talking to me and really giving me a life lesson.

01:19:13
Speaker 1: Best ball coaches, there might be a million people in the room. If he makes it feel like he's just talking to you, that's a good ball.

01:19:18
Speaker 2: Cut like great, Yeah, Greg, Greg is right, But I'm still going to walk off this bus saying we need to stop the run this week, Like I'm still gonna do it knowing that he is right. And I also enjoy a nice lie. I enjoy a nice little take the points prase phrase. I won't like Greg. I like a little take the points phrase.

01:19:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know that position to take the pot Dallas twenty one, twenty one chance to kick the field goal at the I don't know what was it, the five four? Where were they when they kicked it? When they decided to go for it?

01:19:47
Speaker 2: I wanted him to take the points.

01:19:50
Speaker 1: Will is always gonna take points.

01:19:52
Speaker 2: Not always.

01:19:53
Speaker 5: There's a lot of yard line.

01:19:54
Speaker 2: There's a lot of situation. Yeah, they were like inside the five because Ceedee lianmb dropped that ball in the end zone.

01:19:58
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb was killing himself that I know.

01:20:00
Speaker 2: At first he was mad at Dak and then inside coming realization I got to catch that football. Yeah, I was just thinking the CD Lamb Ceedee Lamb Eagles moment.

01:20:08
Speaker 5: It was fourth and goal at the six.

01:20:11
Speaker 2: What are you doing there? Greg?

01:20:14
Speaker 5: Take the points? Oh no, I'm sorry. That was the Giants game. Hold on, we're talking. So Giants had fourth and goal at the six. That's a different animal. Hold on, let me do cowboys what. I want to know what yard line they were on. I know it was goal to go. I just don't know what yard line it was on. They were on the oh, fourth and goal at the one?

01:20:37
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you gotta go.

01:20:38
Speaker 2: Was it the one?

01:20:38
Speaker 1: I even a question, you have to go?

01:20:40
Speaker 2: Was it the one?

01:20:42
Speaker 1: I'm going off what Greg just said.

01:20:44
Speaker 5: It was fourth and goal? So they were first and goal. Here's what the sequence was. First and goal at the eight, positive six yard gun game, second and goal at the two, one yard run, third and goal at the one, incomplete, fourth and goal to one incomplete.

01:21:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have to go for it.

01:21:07
Speaker 1: If you were a fourth one.

01:21:08
Speaker 2: That's one. That's why I'm checking the ESPN app and seeing that's you know, they're they're they're in goal line. I'm like, oh my, I'm like grin and text and clump, get the clip ready, get the clip right. We're getting the kids in the car, and then I open it up and so I see that they turn the ball over. I'm like, what the just happened? Right now?

01:21:22
Speaker 1: What I think what yard line are you kicking? The three.

01:21:28
Speaker 5: Goal to go situation? So remember now the new field goal, the new extra point is sorry, the new kickoff rule is a huge factor here. So I'm at the one yard line. Let's say I'm at the five yard line. Anything inside the five yard line just for this conversation, and I fail, right, that's worst case scenarios. I don't score seven points, all right, Right, But if I kicked the field goal, I got three points. For those three points, I took a three point lead. But instead of you now possessing the ball, mynus five to minus one having to go the long way to either tie me or beat me, I kick off to you. And let's say you get the ball between the thirty and the thirty five yard line. I've given you thirty yards maybe thirty three yards depending on the down, thirty to thirty five yards of field position for three points, and you only now need to get two first downs and you just get your three points right back, Yep, when you have the ball on the minus one, even though you possess the ball, I on defense actually have higher probability of scoring the next point than you do. Even if I don't have the ball. That's how advantageous it is to not take three points and then go do a kickoff. If this was twenty years ago and I'd kick a touch back and give you the ball to twenty, it's a different math equation. It's a whole different animal. But with the ball now being at the thirty five and kickers being sixty plus pretty regularly, your two first downs from just kicking it in time, and we're all back to square anyway, right and now you're gonna so what did they do? They fail? They the Eagles pick up a couple first downs, they eventually fail, give the ball back now to the Cowboys. And what did they do? They win in regulation. The goal is to win in regulation. It's not to play for a tie. It's not to play for overtime. And it worked out exactly right.

01:23:25
Speaker 1: Now as it takes a points. Guy, are you agree with because everything.

01:23:29
Speaker 2: On the one yard line?

01:23:30
Speaker 1: What about fourth and five?

01:23:31
Speaker 2: Fourth and five, I'm taking the points fourth and everything he just said, after everything he just said in that game situation, because again, the way Dallas came out after they scored the twenty one, like Dallas' defense was playing on fire, like he was three and out, three and out, or they might get five players or punting the ball. It's like punt, punt, punt, missfield goal, fumble, like the way Dallas was playing defensively, the way that they had the momentum and control of that game. You go up three, it's twenty four to twenty one. Again, we're talking about fourth and five. I'm taking the points. That's where I'm taking the points because you're you're now you're you're not winning. You're not winning the game about.

01:24:04
Speaker 5: You ask yourself this. You take the field, and the offenses take is in the huddle. They're in their own end zone because the ball is about to be snapped from the five versus you take the field after either a kickoff return or a touchback, whatever you want it to be. God forbid, you don't hit the landing zone and the ball is at the forty. Let's just say everything goes according to plan and the balls somewhere between the thirty and the thirty five, So we're talking twenty five to thirty yard of starting field position difference. You take the field for it must stop. You cannot give up any points. Where are you more comfortable the offense starting at the five or the thirty five.

01:24:44
Speaker 1: The five and listen like when an offense gra You can attest this when the offense is backed up like fifty the ten yard line and back the minus ten and back. The goal of the offense is not to score points there. The goal of the offense is give the pun enough room to punt if you're back to get a first down. That is the goal because then now you're thinking field position. You're not thinking as an offense.

01:25:09
Speaker 2: Out of the gate.

01:25:10
Speaker 1: After that, they had a first down right out of the gate, but they got another first down then they failed.

01:25:15
Speaker 5: All right, so stick with me here. Okay, this is the second layer besides field position. When you take a three point lead. There there was how much time left there was They got the ball back with like three thirty. The Philly possessed the ball after the failed fourth down with like three thirty on the clock in the fourth quarter, they pick up a first down. They pick up a first down right above the two minute warning. Especially based on timeouts, you're in four down territory. So by being tied, you are never now as an offense in four down territory until you cross midfield. But all of a sudden I take a three point lead by kicking a chip shot field goal. I kick you the ball. You get it now at the thirty or to thirty five, depending on the outcome of the kickoff. The entire time you possess the ball will the entire time I possess the ball. You've got to defend four downs. Because I'm losing, I can't punt it back to you. The game's over. So I'm in four down mode until I get in field goal range. Because you kick the field goal, your odds of going to overtime and it just it changes. Because I got to defend a field goal. Try four down territory from the thirty five yard line. That's pretty easy. You get the ball to minus five. What's Philly saying, Hey, either we win the game, but we can't give the ball back to Dallas because we don't want to lose in overtime in regulation either. So you're not in four down mode. Your calls are a little bit more conservative. You're saying, Hey, let's take it easy, let's get a couple first downs, get to the two minute warning, and then when we get around midfield, we'll go aggressive and we'll try to win this thing in regulation, but let's make it a walk off. They punt on fourth down. They take back to back penalties, so they punt on fourth down because it's not four down mode. You're not in must go mode. Because I'm now as an offense, I'm playing for overtime, and my ability to take chances is significantly less than it was if I was trailing by three. So it's thirty yards of field position and you don't have to defend fourth down.

01:27:21
Speaker 1: This conversation is not a fast conversation.

01:27:24
Speaker 2: Well it was because we just had a We just had a conversation. Huh, he says, not even a conversation. I'm just saying, we just had a conversation. You Creig just talked to Greg. Just broke that down for me in such football terms. And now I'm like, okay, I can you gotta go for it on fourth and five on the goal line.

01:27:41
Speaker 1: And that is big by you. That's big by you because you're a big stand in the batter's box guy, and if I'm in this batter box, I'm staying in this batter box. Jeeves. That for Greg to break that down in the way for you to go, I understand that's huge. It's growth.

01:27:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I'll very much be dig my heels in the ground, especially when people just throw the term analytics and you know that's what the analytics say. But the way Greg just broke that down for me in football terms, the way the feeling, the momentum shifts, the way the game's getting called, the way you're thinking this and in every situation. I just started to wrap my brain. I want to I want to get out a notebook in a pin. I want to call Greg after this phone call and get in a real meeting and take notes. Eat better today. That was that's right. We can talk ball.

01:28:19
Speaker 5: We could talk ball all day. We had two teams yesterday up three at the end of the game, Giants being one. I can't remember the other one up three, go for it on fourth down because you don't want to be up six, and it like blows people's minds.

01:28:34
Speaker 2: Say that again. Say that situation again.

01:28:36
Speaker 5: So you have the ball, say it's say it's the same situation that. Let's just take the Philly Dallas game, because we were talking about it Philly Dallas game, but instead of that game being tied, say it's fourth and goal at the one and and Dallas is winning by three at the time of the fourth down, so they could kick a field goal to go up six or try to score a touchdown to go up ten.

01:28:59
Speaker 2: Okay, following, what are you doing?

01:29:01
Speaker 1: Go you go for the touchdown?

01:29:03
Speaker 5: Of course?

01:29:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, there, I feel much more comfortable going for the touchdown because again they need a field goal just to tie you.

01:29:09
Speaker 1: Because a all the things you just said, Greg. If you go when you take the three and now you have six, now you're still in a goal to go situation, and they know they have to get If they score, it's over, they win the game.

01:29:20
Speaker 2: You're not putting.

01:29:20
Speaker 1: You're not putting the game away.

01:29:22
Speaker 5: So you have to get better off than you are six.

01:29:25
Speaker 1: Right, because now their mind goes to tie, not to win.

01:29:28
Speaker 5: Correct.

01:29:29
Speaker 1: That's this is This has been my favorite conversation I've had with you breaking that down because I didn't know that with the kickoff rules, how much that's changed everything.

01:29:40
Speaker 5: I think the kickoff rule has been so good. Yes, there's more returns. A bunch have been returned. What is there like four that have been returned for touchdowns three something like that. There's been a couple, you know, the end of the game last week Minnesota, who is it? Minnesota? Chicago? Yeah, Minnesota, Chicago, minut SODA's winning. They kick off, Chicago, returns the ball back to the plus side of the field and ends up kicking the field goal to win in the last thirty seconds of the game. Like the game, it has brought more impactful plays. I think the biggest role that it's had is it is changing how people treat the end of offensive possessions because kicking off is now no longer a formality. It's no longer kicking through the uprights and you get the ball. You know, it was the twenty, then the twenty five, then the thirty, and now it's the thirty five. And if I don't kick it in the landing zone, it's the forty. And it just keeps getting closer and closer to midfield, where the advantage of kicking off is after a field goal is not what it used to be, right, Yeah, you know, but now you're seeing all these long field goals. Obviously that's a huge weapon. Short chip shot field goals to then get your opponent for three points, to let your opponent get out of the shadow of their goalpost, to possess the ball at the minus thirty five as opposed to inside their own ten. I would just argue, over the course of the season, it's just not worth to give up that field position for field goals, which we all know field goals are going to get your beat.

01:31:09
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's going to take a few more of these episodes, but then there'll be a situation that comes up to ward. Now you guys, it all comes back to that run pass pass game. Delim me you and gregor in right now, right.

01:31:22
Speaker 1: I think Greg and I are saying similar things about the run game. We're just looking at it with a different lens.

01:31:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you run the field is effective about Yeah?

01:31:33
Speaker 1: I think it all depends. It's strategic on the team you're playing and what puts us in the best position to win the game. For the Chiefs, the best position to win is keeping their offense off the field, which is a very unique and uncomfortable situation for the Chiefs have been in because they're always the team that you want to keep their offense off of the field. Obviously, I love to be in the Lion situation where you run the ball seventeen times for two hund dards a game. But if you have a team that can effectively run the football, which is more than three point six even for you arts per carry. If you have a team that can run the football effectively in a winning way and also throw the ball, that is a complete offense as opposed to we can beat you with our X plays, because there's I think there's more ways to defend the X place than a team that you also have to worry about an explosive run game with the Lions if you.

01:32:19
Speaker 5: Can't pop the big one going down the field play after play after play after play of a run style offense. It is very easy to run the ball between the thirties, as you and Taylor you obviously know this better than anyone. As you cross your opponent's thirty yard line and you get into like high red and then obviously into red low red, all that, it becomes increasingly more difficult to run the ball because the field shrinks right, so there's not as much depth, there's not as much grass to cover, there's not as much ability to throw the ball over my head to back me up to run the ball. But in between the thirties, I'm like, I'm not going to give up a seventy yard touchdown, So it's a little bit easier to run the ball. There's more space, there's more gaps in the defense and whatnot as you get closer to the end zone. If you can't throw the ball, my space is now progressively getting smaller and smaller as I approached the goal line. So I'm making I'm entering an area of the field where what I'm doing to get here becomes progressively more difficult, which is why throwing the ball ends up scoring more points unless I can score from the forty right. If I can score from the forty or the fifty yard line, it doesn't matter what yard line I snapped it from. That's obviously a great play, but to go So I did the green Bay game yesterday. Right opening drive of the game, the first green Bay possession, they go down, second down pass, really overwhelm touchdown. The rest of the game, they ran the ball great. Emmanuel Wilson was a dog. He was running through the vikings. They couldn't stop them. They scored a touchdown drive on their first drive, first possession of the game. They had three offensive possessions in the first half, and in the second half they ran it down their throat field goal down their throat field goal. The only other touchdown that green Bay scored in a game that they dominated, the only other touchdown they scored other than their opening possession touchdown drive was the guy on the Vikings went to block a punt that bounced at the five. He went to block the gunner, the ball bounced and hit him in the foot, and Green Bay recovered the ball like inside of the Minnesota's five yard line and just handed it off for a touchdown. Right, So they dominated the game. They ran it up and down the field. You can't score touchdowns.

01:34:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it condenses the field once you get over the thirty. Another thing to your point, too, is when you're watching the Chiefs and the Colts play, when the Chiefs are running the ball as much as they're running the ball at no point as the viewer, as the Colts as a fan, are you thinking, man, the Chiefs are real close to breaking one right now on the ground. You never think that to me? It was it was a sixty minute chess play. Yeah, it was a sixty minute game of chess, would you yeah, I mean, obviously you have to throw the ball to you get more points.

01:35:15
Speaker 5: I agree with the longest run. They had an eighteen yard run. They had a third. So Kareem Hunt had thirty thirty carries, he had an eighteen yard run. His average was three and a half yards to carry.

01:35:28
Speaker 1: Chess, If you asked, there's not a winning formula, but it is for that day.

01:35:32
Speaker 5: If you asked, Lou, oh God, I always mispronounced his last name, the decordinator who is in Cincinnati, who's now miss Anoma Lou.

01:35:42
Speaker 1: And a room metal Louo and a room.

01:35:45
Speaker 5: That's what, okay, I want to disrespect He's a great coach. I don't want to disrespect by mints pronouncing his name. If you asked him, do you want Kareem Hunt to run the ball thirty times for three yards to carry? Or Patrick Mahomes have the ball in his hands regardless of how good the passing game is, And would you rap? Which would you pick?

01:36:06
Speaker 2: Run the ball that thirty carries?

01:36:07
Speaker 5: Of course you would. And that's why offenses are doing what defenses want them to do, which I think is a dangerous game.

01:36:17
Speaker 2: Fascinating boys. Do we have any other we have any other convos with with Greg?

01:36:23
Speaker 1: What's your guys' offseason training look like right now with the kids.

01:36:25
Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked. We got like twenty. We got a good group. I'd say give any day twenty kids, seventh and eighth graders. Groups kind of shrinking, you know, some kids are playing winter sports, some kids you know, so there's a little kind of fluctuation of who. But give or take fifteen to twenty kids Monday through Thursday, six thirty before school, weight room, shred, mill, track, all sorts of four days a week training six thirty to seven fifteen. Our kids are grinded.

01:36:54
Speaker 2: We got them in a hyperturep fhe mode. You're really breaking them down, so that way you can build some muscle mass.

01:37:00
Speaker 5: That will I like that. Yeah, dude, there, I don't go to the workouts. We have a really good strength and conditioning coach at school who he handles it. So I just dropped the kids off and let them go do their thing. But dude, forty five minutes a day for thirteen fourteen year old kids, four days a week, It's amazing how much they can get done. It's amazing how much they can learn. And it's not even about like how much weights on the bar, how much weight it's just learning how to be in the weight room, learning how to load the rack, learning how to be on time, learning how to go through a warm up, learning how to like There's so many lessons that are built in a weight room that have nothing to do with how much I can bench press or backsquad. That for these seventh and eighth graders to get an early kind of look at what that looks like, it's such. This is the first year we've ever done it. We don't typically start our football workouts until the spring, so for our kids to start this and go all winter, then we'll take the holidays off and then come back for the start of the second semester and go through you know, late winter, early spring. I think it's going to pay off as we get rolling for next year, to.

01:38:00
Speaker 2: Jump on the opponent. How's yer man? Yeah, to tell them from the ground up, what's your boy pushing these days? What is he got on the rack? Right now? We're we talking here, we got we got one thirty five on the bar.

01:38:11
Speaker 5: Yet, you know what, I'm not sure I think which I agree with, I'm not sure if they've ever done straight bar bench. I think all their very smart, prone pressing type exercises. I believe they're all using dumbbell, kettlebell, smart smart. I could be wrong on that. When they get home from school, well they're not in school today. When they get home, when they go back again, I'm gonna ask him. But I don't think they do straight bar bench. But I have to ask them. I believe it's all dumbbell.

01:38:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. Boys, you boys doing some eccentric work in that weight room right now in the wintertime.

01:38:45
Speaker 5: And everything in your body is just shaky. Yeah, is there anything worse? And I think this is why I haven't gotten back into training. Like every week driving home on the plane after I eat like Mike and Ikes and I drink soda in the booth and I've eaten a great steak dinner and I feel fat. I'm like Monday, I'm getting back to training. I got a gym in my basement, Like I'm gonna start getting back in shape. I think I have like PTSD. Remember like in end of February early March, when you started getting back into like your own workouts before you know, you knew you had a couple of weeks before OTAs, and you're just gonna get back going those first couple of weeks felt like you've never worked out in your You feel like you're gonna throw up, it's cold, your chest is burning you, and you're like, I'm never gonna get back. I think I had that like burned into my brain. I fear the first workout now picture, I haven't done a shit in five years. That first workout. The fear of what I'm gonna feel like has prevented me from getting back in the weight room. But like that shit is real now dog.

01:39:46
Speaker 1: The first winter workout after you come back from Christmas break. Let's say you don't make a bowl game, and you're back from Christmas break, You've taken the week off, you've eaten like shit, and you have a six am and you walk out and the indoor has cones and and towels and tires everywhere, and you like, you don't know exactly what's about to happen, but you know you're about to get your ship pushed in. There's not a bigger anxiety in the world than that moment right there, and just and God forbid, you're the second group, Like you're watching the boys come in and there's always that there's the tackle who's on the ground laying like there's a couple of trainers around them, like we gotta pull them down, and you're just like, oh my god.

01:40:27
Speaker 2: There's a puk on the turf, and somebody that's kind of like a leader walks by you and like, hey, good luck with that one, are you? Yeah?

01:40:33
Speaker 5: Hey? How was it? Hey?

01:40:33
Speaker 2: How was it?

01:40:34
Speaker 5: It's like when you walk into that like social studies test, but you have an eighth period and everyone before he's like, it's the worst test I've ever taken. You don't know anxiety until you go to a six a m. College football workout and the unknown of not only what the workout's gonna be, how hard is it gonna be? How much am I gonna get yelled at? But like am I gonna die? That's like is this the end of my life? In this moment, I'm scar Like that anxiety I still carry with me today. Hence why I don't like walk into my basement and go do a workout. I want to do workouts. I don't want to do the first workout.

01:41:11
Speaker 1: Yeah that's dude, And you are like, God forbid, you do lower body after a couple of weeks off, and you go to sit on the toilet two days later. It's like I might never I might never move again. Dude. My first couple of years at Michigan, I did not like I was in a position where you could choose when you work out. Like, if it was up to me, I'd like to go as early as possible, be the first one in so I can get it done. But when I was like a freshman sophomore, I would sit there and be like, hey, you're the eight o'clock group. They'll be like a six seven eight o'clock group. I would get there two hours before and watch the workout to mentally prepare what was what to happen to my body. Yeah, because the thought of sleeping and being there thirty minutes before and not knowing was worse than just watching people die in front of me and be like, Okay, I can handle this. I can handle that. That's gonna be the hard part. I had to get past that. That's the part to get past, buddy.

01:41:57
Speaker 2: It's terrifying, Like is this an exercise that I put you know eighty percent? Can I get by this one? Or the guys you're gonna look me in the eye, they're gonna know I'm not giving it my all. If I give it my all, is this the day where I like, look at I'm like, I can't do this anymore.

01:42:09
Speaker 1: Because when you get older too, Yeah. Good.

01:42:12
Speaker 5: The thing you guys had was it was cold. Yeah, yeah, I think that makes it even worse.

01:42:18
Speaker 2: It's more just the psychology like of a getting dark sooner at being cold and like you're just so cozy in your bed when you wake up in the morning, you're like, fuck, we gotta go do this five am.

01:42:29
Speaker 5: We were complaining our five am like winter matt drills or whatever. I don't know if they even do that anymore now, but like at Miami, we would do it outside in you know, January, February, January, whatever it was, and if it was like in the fifties sixties, you're like, oh my god, it's freezing. The ground's wet and it was fifty sixty degrees by noon it was seventy five. Yeah, and we thought that was cold. Like doing that now, I'm sure you guys had indoors. We didn't have indoor at Miami, so we did everything outside. In the summer, though, is where it really you really tested your metal because it was one hundred it didn't matter if you were the seven eight. Everyone would fight to do the morning because it was too hot to do it at nine. You know, we would get if we knew we had sand pit workout. We had this like big ass sandpit in the back of the athletic center. If you had the sand pit workout anytime past eight am, so the sun has been up. If you didn't get out there early with all the boys and kick off the top layer of the sand before you took your socks and shoes off to go do the workout, not only were you gonna puke, you were gonna burn the bottom of your feet off.

01:43:38
Speaker 1: That's how was the shit.

01:43:39
Speaker 5: We'd wake up on and be like, all right, today's Sanday, I gotta get there twenty minutes early so I can clear the top layer of sand.

01:43:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just the thought too in the winter of how bad do you want this? When you're walking out of your house at five point thirty in the morning and snow is all over the car because you don't have your car in a garage because you're in a little townhouse or door or whatever.

01:44:00
Speaker 1: It's smart enough to put your windshield wipers.

01:44:02
Speaker 2: Up or yeah, and you don't you don't have a self starter, so you can't walk out there. You got to turn the car on while you're getting snow in your shoes, you're scraping off the window. You're driving to the facility and it hasn't even heated up in your car yet. You get out and link in the brask and there's a side like East Stadium or whatever side of the stadium where wind is just smoking you in the face as you're walking into the facility of like how bad do I want this life? Those are the moments that do test you as a man. Then you walk into that six am and you got the sledge everywhere. Everything you were explaining earlier, the tires, the boys puke, and before the workout start or when the first group's over with that is man.

01:44:38
Speaker 1: That world you're living in. For me, when I was in college, it was always like playing the game. Like I would be walking. I would I would live close enough to the facilities where I would just walk and I would think about how cold I am. But then my brain would be like, think of how much you're going to wish you were cold in an hour or an hour and a half or thirty minutes. Yeah, So that game, so I'd be like, Okay, this is not that bad because I'm there, and then once I would start to work out, I think to myself, Bro, five minutes from now, it's over, like there's nothing to worry about anymore. Like that type of like mental warfare game that you're playing with yourself is the best. It's the thing you look back on You're like, I fuck you hate it. It changes like your body is hurting because of what happened to you when you're younger that we're talking about right now, but it is what makes you a man.

01:45:20
Speaker 2: It is like, yeah, like, is my L four and L five deteriorating right now because what we went through when we were in our college d Yeah, absolutely, yeah. But it's also part of our detriment right now as old men because we have that PTSD because there's nothing in our brain that is allowing us. It's just what I'm trying to be graceful for with. It's like, hey, will, it's okay to just go in and exercise and get a sweat in with some Zone two or a light workout, like in our brains, you have to get in there and get after it to the most extreme, like right out of the gate. That's why you want walk into that basement because there's nothing in your brain that's saying, hey, it's okay to just go in and sweat just a little bit. Now, you want to push yourself to the limits if you want to or do that as centric work. You got to feel something with the uh I'm gonna die, Yeah, with delayed on set, with the with the dom soreness. Yeah yeah, like you you're almost scared because we feel like we that those are the workouts we have to do to get back in it. But in the reality, boys, that's not what it is. No, it is we just gotta we gotta be okay with just going in and just getting some sweat, And you're wrong. That's how I'm trying to talk to myself right now because I'm a fat piece of shit and I've been handling myself very poorly. Like I just tell my wife, like, I've got to get I've got to get. This is what I'm gonna start getting after New Year's resolution. With the boys, that's every year, it's every year, and the New Year's Resolution, that's where I'm like, that's where I just feel like immortal because do I I don't want to be in New Year's resolution. Guy like, I want to get started. But I told myself last time I was gonna get started. Today I didn't. My youngest guy said she threw up in the middle of the night and then the six am alaar hitting. I turned it off, yeah, because I'm like, I've got to try and get some sleep.

01:46:48
Speaker 1: And literally your morning was my exact morning. I was like, buddy, he says, I've had greg I don't know if you notice. I've had doubt and it's been so awful that I was legit horizontal for seventy two hours of the port. I'm like, learn how to walk again as a human, like as an adult. And I set my alarm last night. I was like, I'm gonna wake up at six. I'm gonna hit the sauna, do the red light zone, two cardio, I'm gonna get a work on it. I'm gonna get back into a rhythm six am. Hit turn that bitch to eight. And I was like, I'll see it eight am. And I and didn't even flinch at it to where the old me is like, you're a pussy dude, get up right now, and I would count down from three and when I hit one, I would stand up and go do it.

01:47:27
Speaker 2: So we show ourselves. Boys.

01:47:29
Speaker 5: I'm absolutely like you guys are about being but we're all in it together.

01:47:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all in it together.

01:47:35
Speaker 1: You guys talking about being a fat piece of shit. I'm a skinny little bitch right now. I've lost twenty pounds. I took my shirt off and looked in the mirror last night, and I look like Dan Olofski. I'm looking like Skeletor. Dude, I look at my body. Reason Dan, Dan, He's deserved it. I'll say that, you see a couple.

01:47:53
Speaker 2: Would rather be Skeletor than having to grab my muffin top and wiggle it around and just be like, God, you are disgusting. Will Yes.

01:48:00
Speaker 5: And then you got my dog Luke, who's just absolutely yoked and strong. He lifts every day, he's dead lifting. He is a monster. He only eats clean. We'll go out for I'll be like, hey, I'm gonna take a pizza and a burger, and he's like, I'll take a Greek salad. I'm like, I hate you, but I love you.

01:48:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, you hate him because you want to be like him.

01:48:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like I wish I had your discipline because when we go to the beach this offseason and we both go shirtless, like, my wife's gonna be looking at you.

01:48:31
Speaker 1: And that's the shitty truth. But it's all good.

01:48:34
Speaker 5: And I'm looking at you too, so it's all good.

01:48:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there?

01:48:37
Speaker 1: I feel like dudes like jack dudes, girls don't admire that more than like guys will be like, you see this here, this looks pretty good, just like all right?

01:48:45
Speaker 5: He was like, no, every time I see dude, you look great. Yeah, you got to like pump each other up.

01:48:51
Speaker 2: We'll have to get an account of bill buddy group check going on.

01:48:54
Speaker 1: We have to.

01:48:54
Speaker 5: I feel like we have to, like, hey, what'd you do this morning? When I get off this call right now, my wife and kids are out of town, I'm going to sit in the sauna and that starts the revolution, and it starts small us a picture of all right, I'll text you guys, We'll start accountability.

01:49:11
Speaker 2: I have to accountability.

01:49:13
Speaker 1: Appreciate your great ground. Plus we're great. Hey, how about that fucking lesson on the new kickoff rules?

01:49:20
Speaker 2: And I loved it, loved it, loved all of it. Love like you know, because I'm just I get in my ways of believing in defensive defense is playing well, stop the run, play good defense, take the points. And uh yeah, I'm learning. I'm learning some good ball. Learn some good ball that you know, I'll get to utilize it when I'm a head coach one.

01:49:41
Speaker 1: Day before we get into college. Oh, we have to do tear talk too, but we'll do a couple of tier talks. Jack, I want your opinion on the Titans game, please, I want I want to hear about it right now, right now.

01:49:52
Speaker 2: Titans are such a waste of time. Sorry.

01:49:56
Speaker 1: I'm just think that was the most competitive getting the Titans play, that's the best thing.

01:50:00
Speaker 6: Cam Ward looked great. Yeah, there was great. Signs that they need to keep Restrepo in there. I don't know why he hasn't been playing at all when him and cam both know the same schemes, they play so well together. They're just a good fit. He didn't do much. He almost had two opportunities to score. One drop ball and the end zone facing away from where I was, and then one that was right on the goal line. But yeah, I mean, you don't really go in with too much expectation, like we've stated the last few weeks. I go in there just trying to get out alive. Seahawks fans travel well, some people around me assholes, you know, and you just have to take it on the chin. But I felt encouraged, at least from cam Wart's perspective. He looked great. He had a lot of promising plays. To scramble play where he was evading every single person and then throws it at crossbody to restrepo.

01:50:53
Speaker 7: It was fun.

01:50:54
Speaker 6: I mean, back to back weeks playing against two of some of the best defenses in the league is something that Titans and should feel good about moving forward. Again. It's kind of a lose lose situation right now, being now one to ten. But for the most part, I enjoyed the game, even though I had no expectation to win. Playing against good defenses with the current state of the Titans, I think it's something that we should all look forward to next year. Again, let's just move forward. We have another home game next week, so we'll see that much.

01:51:28
Speaker 1: Can I tell you a vision that I had while you're speaking, please. It's twenty twenty nine. The new stadium is open. We're currently in that last week in November, as we are right now, just in the future. The Titans are the number one seed in the AFC at this point. They're essentially like the Patriots. We see right now. You're in the game, you've got your tickets, you're sitting there, and all around you is just Titans fans everywhere, wearing tight pants and the boots, and they got their little the flannel jacket on. But they're not really they're wearing a jersey, but it's very new and fresh. And you get to sit there with your old ted Or jersey and your your Titans outfit you wear for the most part, and you get to lean back in your chair and go, these might be fans now, but I've been here since day one, and that is what you're fighting for right now. Yeah, And it juices me the fuck up to think about you and these other you know, East Nashville. I'm thinking about a bunch of East Nashville cats, right, That's all I'm thinking about. We had nose rings, we had different colored hair, we got the boots, we got the we got the flannel shirts on. They're dressing up for an event, you're dressing up for a game, and you get to sit back with them and be like, Okay, we fucking did it. Here we are.

01:52:36
Speaker 2: We built this, we.

01:52:37
Speaker 1: Built this, I built.

01:52:38
Speaker 6: This, and in all the colored hair and nose rings, boots, tight hands, they're welcome. Yeah, we need fans in there, right, people that believe in the organization, So hopefully it does. I unfortunately I went to the game solo Brothers out of town. Dad couldn't make it. My friend that I invited bailed on me last second.

01:52:56
Speaker 2: So just this is how bad do I want this situation? Yeah, exactly.

01:53:00
Speaker 6: I walked into the game with headphones on. Just I didn't take him out until I sat in my seat. I was listening to the radio broadcast a little bit. I met up with Buck at halftime. He's like, there's no way you're listening to the radio broadcast. I was like, I mean, I'm just trying to just kill the time at this point.

01:53:15
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's that moment right there, when you do conquer. It's you weren't with me shooting in the gym when we were in hell.

01:53:22
Speaker 1: Right, people want to see the tip of the iceberg. They want to see all it takes to become the iceberg.

01:53:27
Speaker 6: Very true. I'm definitely not going to be that fan, though, God willing we are a winning organization in our new stadium in years to come, I won't be the fan that's like, you motherfuckers weren't here, Like, don't come if you weren't here when we were losing. We need everybody, right, everyone.

01:53:42
Speaker 1: I don't see you being that fan in that situation. I see people being like, I'm the biggest Titans fan. And that's when that type of Jack like rears a dougyhead. You think you're a real fan. I was there at twenty twenty five.

01:53:54
Speaker 6: I haven't been drinking at these games, and I feel like I just see everything so clearly. Like my aggression.

01:54:01
Speaker 1: Sober Jack at a Titans game is crazy.

01:54:04
Speaker 2: That knows how bad it's been. Jack is sober.

01:54:08
Speaker 1: You got to feel everything.

01:54:11
Speaker 6: I do think the best thing to take away from it is cam Ward looks great and uh DK is going to be an All Star for us as long as we can keep him healthy. He's been great. It's funny because in the last I think three games, we've had four total touchdowns. Two of them have come from Shamira Adk two of them have come from our offense. So it's fun cam War got himself a TD. He was fighting hard man. So I don't know. We're just gonna keep pushing forward. We got Thanksgiving coming up this week. We're just grateful. The weather was beautiful yesterday.

01:54:47
Speaker 1: And we had our time to be nasty earlier in the show. Not anymore. No, grateful, grateful, grateful all the way through. Let's do a couple of tear talks, and then let's get these beautiful fans who are listening to the show out of here. This person comes to this is Rambo at fourth. Oh wow, uh, underscore Will Compton. What team would you retire with? The Washington Titans or the Raiders? And who do you root for the most?

01:55:12
Speaker 3: Uh?

01:55:12
Speaker 2: If I could retire with one of those teams, for sure be Washington. That is where I kind of cut my teeth in the league. That is where football mattered the most in my life. It's that is the that is the time where I would have literally died for all of my teammates. Who do I root for? I just root for. I just root for good football. I love watching good football out there, like I want to see those teams do well. Washington, the Raiders and Titans, they're there, They're not very good whatsoever this year. I do want to see those teams be successful. When when it comes to the NFL, it's a lot different than college. Obviously, I'm a diehard Nebraska fan, will be forever. Like in the NFL, I felt like more of a outside of Washington, just more of a mercenary around the league. I just root for some good football. Yeah, I root for some good football. I love watching the game of ball. We need every everybody. Here's a hashtag to your talk from our boy, Caleb Ingram. If you're the Titans, GM, what coach are you going after? And who's your first free agent target? Believe this is a question for Jack, question for Taylor. I think.

01:56:18
Speaker 1: I think the coach you go after is Arthur Smith. That's that's our guy. And then when it comes for free agent, we got a lot to look into. You can't pour more money into the offensive line. They've got it. They've got to figure it out. Wide receiver corner Jack.

01:56:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree. Probably I would start at that secondary position, but a wide receiver would be great. We paid Covin Ridley a lot of money, hasn't done too much. He's injured, but DK like I'm saying he is going to be a great guy. Uh alek A o'mayner could be someone as well for coaching. I do you kind of talked me into the the Arthur Smith realm, and I don't hate it at all. Those organization. I think it'd be great. I still wouldn't hate Joe Brady pull but again, I think i'd like some guy with more head coach experience. So I don't know right now, Mike McCoy, don't hate him, don't want him as the coach, but for now, as an interim he's doing the best he can with a bad situation.

01:57:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not get back into the interim head coach world. Let's say, hey, Mike, you're doing a great job. Appreciate you.

01:57:22
Speaker 6: You know what's gonna happen.

01:57:24
Speaker 1: I know, but just yeah, I know, But as of right now we can just go on there. Has Joe Brady lost himself a little bit of juice with the way the offense is playing?

01:57:32
Speaker 2: I mean question, yeah, I mean that, yeah, who knows. Man, the Bills have been so inconsistent, Yeah, and they have you know, they're they're they're battling on defense like they their defense isn't at all helpful for Josh Allen in that office because they can run the football. Josh Allen, he can be a superhero. I don't feel like they have much on the outside to work with. One thing. Before we do move on to college football, which which will be coming out here soon, we can't go. We can't. We can't not talk about the NFC North right now with the Bears, the Lions, and the Packers.

01:58:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.

01:58:08
Speaker 2: Bear is still at the top of the division.

01:58:10
Speaker 1: All three teams won this weekend.

01:58:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bear's got the Eagles this week.

01:58:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:58:14
Speaker 2: Defense, very suspect, very opportunistic defensively. They got a lot of holes defensively, like you're able to kind of do anything on them. It will be fun to watch Caleb Williams and Jalen Hurts duel it out. Caleb Williams. Bro is that close?

01:58:28
Speaker 1: Daniel Laski said, we can't we can't evaluate our judge Caleb Williams until November. Well we're in November, and I'll be honest. I like Caleb Williams. Yeah, that's a that's a damn good football player.

01:58:37
Speaker 2: I was watching I was watching the Bears offense last night, just kind of scanning through Caleb Williams, Like, bro, he is right there. If he just gets some accuracy on that ball, which I think that stuff will come because he's one of the more like statistically, one of the more inaccurate passers. But man, he is right there. He's excited.

01:58:53
Speaker 1: Last nine.

01:58:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Caleb Williams is kind of nice. He's kind of nice.

01:59:00
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is hey, he's solid. I think I've never had in my mind an opinion of a player goes so dramatically different from like August to now.

01:59:09
Speaker 2: Oh yeah and again, Like for me, I'm a victim of not like watching all of the Caleb Williams ball it's kind of just the tone that everybody else would have with them, kind of how that's transcended. But the dude, like the way they're they're calling plays, the creativity on offense, the way he's kind of seeing the field going through his progression, the way he can keep plays alive. He has a live arm. He's nobody gets deterred from his inaccurate throwing. Like the dude keeps slinging it. He is, He's that close.

01:59:34
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we want to end on this, but you know who thought Caleb Williams is gonna be great this year, Delanney Walker. He called it again. Delanney strikes again. He's had it twice this year. Mac Jones, Delanney Are Caleb Williams.

01:59:51
Speaker 2: The se is gonna fall? Mac Jones, Caleb Williams, Yeah, Justin Herbert.

01:59:56
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, Yeah, Justin Hurbert, who continues to be just Herbert's kind of a guy. Delannie Walker, kind of nice of this quarterback opinions. You can't pick a game to save his life, but he's kind.

02:00:07
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02:00:25
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02:03:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you want to quickly go over what happened this past week? Or do you want to?

02:03:21
Speaker 2: We can We don't even have to recap this past week.

02:03:24
Speaker 1: We don't have to that that that that's just that's my home. Do we need to Is there anything we need to talk about?

02:03:28
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Dan Lanning's comments?

02:03:32
Speaker 1: Did say?

02:03:33
Speaker 2: He said he essentially said in.

02:03:35
Speaker 4: The that doesn't exist, took.

02:03:37
Speaker 2: It, took a shot, took a shot at the SEC. He's like, you know, you know, we're out here competing. We're not playing anybody, like like Chattanooga State this week. Good for him.

02:03:46
Speaker 1: I did see that. I did see that. Yeah, I think it's awesome.

02:03:48
Speaker 4: I mean you've seen the clip of him when he was at Georgia though, saying the same exact thing about the Big ten.

02:03:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, that.

02:03:56
Speaker 2: He knows. He's also playing the game.

02:03:58
Speaker 4: People are talking about Lane Kiff and being good at the Internet.

02:04:02
Speaker 1: Dan's living a present life. He knows to the Internet like if you say something it doesn't exist a year later, Well you can say whatever you want and then reevaluate your opinions. Shout out Oregon covering I said they wanted. I said USC was gonna make it close. Good for them, man, A plus for Dailanding. I mean that is that was the game they needed. People are saying that he watched the locker room. He saw people doubting him in the locker room, and for that reason they covered against USC. So we will take a little bit of credit on that. Owe you. They beat Miszoo. Yeah, you're right last Saturday. It doesn't matter. This week is the most important week in all of college football rivalries, every like South Carolina playing Clemson this week right every the winner the spring, the summer. At some point Clemson is mentioned on a weekly basis. Hey, we have to be Clemson. Same thing goes for Clemson're talking about South Carolina. We have to beat that team, all right. Nebraska plays Iowa, all right? At some point, if Nebraska and Iowa are the other franchises the programs we claim to be, they're sitting there. They got to beat in Nebraska. Nebraska's gotta beat Iowa, Auburn, Alabama, Like every year, it doesn't matter how good or how bad a team is. We gotta take that game seriously because there's always implications coming up. There's always something. Vanderbilt and Tennessee, a newly regenerated rivalry taking place. One team has playoff hopes, the other team is hoping to break the playoff hopes. It's very unique to see which team has a playoff hops. Does hear the state who is going to win the state? Texas A and M in Texas, Texas A and M in Texas that they haven't played in thirteen years and they're now playing That rivalry is back, and there's nothing like bringing the rivalry back the way that Notre Dame in Michigan should be back. All of those rivalry games are important. There is not one in college football or maybe in all of sports that matter more than Michigan versus Ohio State. Ohio State the number one team the land, Michigan in the teams of the top twenty five right now, and boys, I'm just telling you, Michigan's won the last four. Every game has meant something right, playoff implications. And then there's that one that took place last year where Michigan is twenty and a half point underdogs and they go and they beat Ohio State thirteen to ten and bully them into submission and winning that game. This is the rivalry is truly in my opinion, and I haven't lived through the eighties and nineties and loving the team that way or being alive. I think the rivalry is in the best place it's ever been. And I'm sure Ohio State fans would probably disagree with that, but say what you want. Like the last twenty years, before these last four games, Ohio States kind of ran Michigan. Shit, all right, they won two in twenty years. Now, it's like the hatreds at an all time high. Flags are being planted. Congress is sitting there changing laws in Ohio because of what Michigan has done. There's fight stating place, there's mace being put out by police officers after games, drawing fighting. When I was there and Michigan was bad, we only beat them one time, and every game, though, was relatively competitive. My senior year, we'd go for two at the end of the game and don't get it. We lose that game forty two to forty one. This game defines the season. Look at Ohio State. Ohio State wins the national championship last year and every person that doesn't like Ohio State goes. But you couldn't beat Michigan. You have a blemish on your national championship because you could not beat Michigan. So for three hundred and sixty five Ohio States had to eat you know, eat crow, eat MoU whatever the term is. They have had to fight, scratch and claw. And now your two best wide receivers may or may not play in this game, and Michigan has had their best game. They've had all year against Maryland. They have an incredible run game. They've had incredible run game. Their defense is playing the best they have since the USC game. We have a kid that could be great, has all the talents, all the things that show that he could be him, and it all comes down to this game. Michigan wins, they make the playoffs. Ohio State wins. There's half of a decade off of your back right now. Ryan Day gets the credit that he truly does deserve. I'm switching my opinion up a little bit in that because last year I said that he's not a leader of men, He's not this and that you brought up a great article that you can talk about. This game means everything, and it's in ann Arbor. Kicks off at a twelve eastern and it is going to be if Michigan wins this game. Win, Michigan wins this game, we will truly own Ohio State. There's no more excuses.

02:08:29
Speaker 3: It's been two thousand and thirty nine days since the last time Ohio State beat Michigan, which is in insant that these hype videos that are going to be coming out and.

02:08:39
Speaker 1: Every year due to Ohio States, the number one their top three team every single year, and the wing healmet they see, they see the wing helmet and they shit themselves. Now new OC, new DC Matt Patricia. He's has one of the best defenses in the last twenty years coming out of Ohio State. People are saying, who have they played? They haven't really played anybody. Now Brian Hartline. Before things go down this week and I start probably getting nasty or whatever I have, I don't like how much respect I have for Brian Hartline. He does an incredible job. Obviously, you see the recruiting. He was the wide receivers coach. This is his first year being the OC. Like, he's done an incredible job as the OC. He does a great job recruiting. He's got probably the two best players in college football out in the perimeter for him, and the best defense. I think they are number one defense in all of college football. What an opportunity for both teams and it is, dude. The thing, this is what matters is if Michigan wins this game, we own Ohio State. If Michigan loses this game and Ohio State wins, you guys win like you guys, there's no like we own you because the last four years you've voted those twenty before that. Like, if you win the game, you are the winner. There's no like the broken man myself, who would be the broken man be? Yeah, but we won the last four we all know that I'll be hollow at the end of this. It means everything?

02:10:01
Speaker 2: How much does mean?

02:10:02
Speaker 1: It means everything? Dude?

02:10:04
Speaker 4: This is the game, Like, thank you all for another episode of Bush.

02:10:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys can laugh all you want. You laugh all you want that. You guys don't understand this is the in the game. This is the biggest rivalry in all of college sports. I don't expect you to understand it is big.

02:10:20
Speaker 2: You said that we got some rivalry games.

02:10:22
Speaker 1: Now, yes, some you said that, but not like Will's not over here talking about we got Iowa, Iole. It's like that isn't That's not like that's Nebrassa talks about. You talk about South You were probably better about the Clemson thing.

02:10:37
Speaker 4: Well, you said that Ohio State is an asterisk next to their natty because it couldn't beat Michigan. Yeah, so the last two Natties. The importance of this game is the battle of the asterisk.

02:10:47
Speaker 1: I mean that's petty. I think we looked at what the NCAA did. They they charged Michigan with twenty million dollars, like dropping the bucket. Move on. That just shows they had nothing.

02:10:59
Speaker 3: Like that.

02:11:00
Speaker 1: It's nothing to a program calibern No. Yeah, yeah, the game is massive. The game is everything. The game is everything.

02:11:07
Speaker 2: Everything it is.

02:11:09
Speaker 1: It's the only game that matters this weekend. I'm sorry, Like, yeah, I'm for the casual viewer. For the casual viewer who doesn't you know football, They don't have a team. They just say Saturday football. Like people be like, oh shit, Michigan's playing on Hoi State this week, you know, like they're not like doing that with a lot of maybe Auburn, Alabama maybe, but most likely. But people are sitting there going, you know, Michigan and Ohio State this week.

02:11:34
Speaker 2: It's just tough.

02:11:35
Speaker 1: That's then the casual things not thinking it's tough.

02:11:37
Speaker 4: For that game to hold like a ton of weight in the South because it's at eleven am and it's just like hard to get up for a game like that at eleven am.

02:11:45
Speaker 5: They need to move it.

02:11:46
Speaker 1: I think I think it's awesome.

02:11:47
Speaker 3: I think it's awesome there.

02:11:49
Speaker 1: I will sog in the morning.

02:11:51
Speaker 2: This is the most excited for a game that I've been just because that I'm that I'm getting to watch just from the outside looking in, seeing the rivalry unfold the way it has, especially in this era of social media and everything else. It's like when you go back to Alabama Vanderbilt when Alabama beat Georgia, the first thought after Alabama beat Georgia, they don't even care about the win. All they know is that they have Vanderbilt on the schedule next week. I feel like it's the exact same way for both of these teams with Michigan Ohio State. Everybody knows what's at stake here, Ohio State fans just getting to watch it from afar. Just the pettiness, the going at each other, each fan base, the way Michigan is just strutted around and shit on Ohio State fans for the last four years, especially after last year when Michigan was twenty and a half point underdogs and you go in and beat and beat Ohio State and they're going to win the Natty no One. It's like everybody from Michigan make sure they make sure that Ohio State fans feel like that doesn't even matter because you can't beat Michigan. I'm so excited for this game just because again, you guys are coming off playing your best ball with you with Michigan, Bryce Underwood, the run game, all that stuff questionable. I hope those receivers get to play for the lost State because everybody knows. Everybody wants the best ball to be played on Saturday, because this does feel like a war that is brewing. Every commercial that talks about the game happening, the clips where you see both locker rooms chirping each other, going at each other, barking at each other when they're in the tunnel, It's gonna be electric. I cannot wait to watch this game this weekend.

02:13:17
Speaker 1: The pettiness, the fighting, the cops with the mace, like people say, oh, there's no place for that in college football, Like this storyline that's taking place over the last three four years, the Hey Michigan, you guys are cheaters. We're gonna beat your ass. Ohio State puts the most money in to college football that any other teams possibly put in because they want to win a national championship and they need to beat Michigan. And then they don't like people trying to change laws in Ohio making it a crime to plan a flag on the fifty yard line, Like this is what makes this is what makes college football the best.

02:13:50
Speaker 2: Portnoy posted a little kid just they were reenacting. They're reenacting the flags play in a play in a play like the storyline of Michigan with the now national championship, the scandals, the beating Ohio State the last four years, Ohio State storyline of winning the Natty, losing the Michigan Ryan Day's storyline, his story arc with Ohio State and this being the game. It's like everything is pointing to cinema this weekend.

02:14:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it is, It is gonna be. It's everything, dude, everything.

02:14:22
Speaker 9: And imagine it's like everybody knows how great of athlete Bryce, Bryce Underwood, Bryce Underwood is and he hasn't really had his moment this season of where the whole country is like whoa Bryce Underwood is different? And imagine that moment happens in the biggest game of the season, bro, because it could. And if I'm a Michigan fan, That's probably all I'm thinking about this whole week. He's like, this is the game that Bryce, Yeah, the world find.

02:14:46
Speaker 1: Because as like as a Michigan fan, like when you're watching this kid, Bryce Underwood start to play and you know, you fumble against Oklahoma, you fumble against USC, and it's like you see these flashes that are like, oh my god. The first thing will just watching the first game and him completing a pass that's like I haven't seen that in year, Like that's just amazing to see. And then like you catch yourself as a Michigan fan like watching Bryce under what's that line? Over and over again because you're like, hey, we got to keep it above. We want this, we want that, like and you just after Oklahoma and USC, the rest of the games are like how do you get prepared for Ohio State? That's really what the rest of the games turns. That you see us almost skid and fall off the rails against Northwestern, that changes the whole dynamic of this week. It doesn't, It doesn't like it's still very important. The implications are so much more. But you're right, dude, like this kid like he doesn't have like I think Joe Klatt say this, like he doesn't need to be the factor in this game, but he needs to be a factor in this game in order for Mission to win this game, especially if there's both those wide receivers play. Who knows where their running back, Like Justice Hayes broke his foot, he's not playing in this game. Jordan Marshall goes down in Northwestern, There's like he could have played in this last game as an emergency back, but they wanted to get him healthy. We have a walk on running back who rushes for over one hundred yards, and it's like, you have you have six freshmen starting on that offense. I think there's eleven total freshmen that are playing significant snaps for Michigan right now, line three on the line, and you you don't have a player on Michigan's roster that has lost to Ohio State. And on the contrary, you don't have a player on Ohio State's roster that's beaten Michigan. Dude, that hate is is beautiful and I think that was so crazy. Is like if you really, you know, melted everything down to the cores, Like, yeah, I have a level of respect for Ohigo State that I don't necessarily carry for like a Michigan State. I don't respect Michigan State as a program, and I think most Michigan Evans would probably agree with that from a Higo State standpoint, like you can hate as much as you want, but you're gonna tip the cap and be like, that's a well run program, and so including all the hate that's taking place, the fact that the line's at twelve and a half and now it's moved to ten and a half.

02:16:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, buddy, just like that game where Bryce needs to if he has the op take like the six yard run, get down. Yeah, like just move the move the ball, move the chains. When you have that window, no mistakes?

02:17:02
Speaker 1: Could you see it? Like what if he gets a shot and do what if he gets a thirty yard forty yard bomb and it's like we have this and we have the explosive run that we've had in every single game this year.

02:17:16
Speaker 3: Can I Can I come over and watch the game with you?

02:17:19
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:17:20
Speaker 3: I think that'd be fun.

02:17:21
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we want to do that absolutely. I mean it'll be Saturday.

02:17:24
Speaker 2: I know, me and my kids broke at eleven o'clock.

02:17:29
Speaker 3: I'll be there if I'm allowed.

02:17:30
Speaker 1: Dude, it is so fucking exciting.

02:17:32
Speaker 10: I I am very week because someone's heart's getting broken. One goes way too hard way too hard. Yeah hard, poor Jack Saw. You're just getting yeah used, I know, I know.

02:17:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:17:47
Speaker 1: And the thing that's crazy with that promo is last year we sat here and people are like, there's no room for this, And I said, if you think there's truly no room for this in college football, then do not use any of the ship that took place as a promo. And here we are a year later, a minute. Yeah, and you guys like, oh, we we can't have this. That's all saving fakes. People love it, people love it. They need it, Like Jack Sore, great kid, hope he has a great career at the Steelers.

02:18:12
Speaker 9: You need that.

02:18:13
Speaker 1: You need to have that in college football. The hate, the storyline, everything is what makes it count. So yeah, dude, Michigan's winning this game.

02:18:22
Speaker 11: Bro.

02:18:23
Speaker 2: This is big b. This is big Bryce Underwood game right here.

02:18:26
Speaker 1: Big Bryce. This is a this is a big Michigan identity game right here.

02:18:29
Speaker 2: I think, like to Joe Klad's thing, I think he's a factor if you guys are winning this game by like a two touchdown, like a you know, a two score game. But in every other scenario, I feel like it's Bryce Underwood. Like, if you guys lose closer, You're you're you're within striking range. It's like all eyes, It's like, this is a Bryce Underwood moment. You guys win a Yeah, if you guys win a close game, to me, it's gonna be something that Bryce Underwood did. If you need him to win through there and you guys are down, it's gonna be a Bryce Underwood moment.

02:18:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.

02:18:57
Speaker 2: This is uh, it's gonna be so fun to watch.

02:19:00
Speaker 1: And we we've the last two weeks we've sat out like four defensive players. Ernest Housman didn't play last week.

02:19:07
Speaker 4: A real chance Ohio State sits out cart There's.

02:19:10
Speaker 1: No way they're gonna sit those guys out. There's a there's a real world where they are too injured to play, which to me.

02:19:17
Speaker 2: I can't have that.

02:19:19
Speaker 1: They're undisclosed. Ohio State will not say I looked into it all yesterday.

02:19:24
Speaker 2: Frustrating, but Mitch know, just someone on the back channels as Ohio State guy.

02:19:29
Speaker 3: They won't say, it's it's known. I'm not hurt. No, I knew they were hurt, but I.

02:19:34
Speaker 2: Like, I know, but I I do have enough respect for you that you would know that ye are that you? Yeah?

02:19:40
Speaker 1: If the if the information is available, Yeah, they've.

02:19:43
Speaker 2: Done They've just done an incredible job. We're keeping it.

02:19:45
Speaker 1: Everything's in house. Like you watch the they played Rutgers. Ohio State played Rugers this past week. The week before that, they played u C. L A. And Jeremiah Smith was kind of in there sparingly. He played the first half, not the second half. You watching him walk to the locker room, he is, he's truly he looks like me with gout. Jeremiah Smith might have gout before.

02:20:04
Speaker 3: Sharon looked this up because it says it here, but I didn't know it was like a lower body. I think I wouldn't doubt that, Like Carnells is like a hamstring your knee, and then I think Jeremiah Smith is like an ankle.

02:20:15
Speaker 2: Gotcha, I mean, buddy and big uh big, Like obviously it's all about beating Ohio State, but also big implication for you guys playoff wise, like if you guys win or you guys in the Big Ten champions.

02:20:28
Speaker 1: I was trying to looked it up yesterday, going through the Big Ten scenario.

02:20:34
Speaker 2: What are the yeah, look up big.

02:20:37
Speaker 1: To lose? Yeah, I think Indiana has a tiebreaker over Oregon. We would have the tiebreaker over Ohio State, it could be Indiana Oregon. If Oregon loses the Washington this week, which I don't see.

02:20:53
Speaker 3: Happening like that, I don't think y'all would be in the Big Ten Championship. But I think y'all would jump up into the top twelve.

02:21:01
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we're I think we're for sure. You can't.

02:21:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so it is. It'd be organ If you guys win, it'd be Oregon, Indiana.

02:21:10
Speaker 1: Oh In scenario, Indiana beats preduye, Michigan beats Ohio State. That's how indianapls Michigan.

02:21:15
Speaker 2: Oregon does still have to be Washington.

02:21:19
Speaker 7: Another great opportunity for Ohio State, though.

02:21:21
Speaker 8: If they do lose the Michigan, don't play in the Big Ten Championship like they did last year.

02:21:26
Speaker 7: Get healthy for the playoff run.

02:21:30
Speaker 1: Yeah do you punt? Hey, Indiana, you got it.

02:21:33
Speaker 8: There's like pros and cons to the Big Ten Championship. Michigan's in a great spot if they win, they don't you don't want to be in the.

02:21:38
Speaker 2: Big Ten champions We just got to win game. I think the best situation of being you You're a ten and two team on the outside not having to play a championship game because you're looking at you're looking at this scenario with Alabama. If it's Alabama A and M and A and M beats Alabama, it's like there's a three loss Alabama fall out of the playoff because everybody's so tight right now. And by the way, shot shout out to Pitt. Shout out to Pitt for mopping the floor with Georgia Tech, because now Georgia Tech's out of it and you're looking at that game.

02:22:03
Speaker 1: Pissed me off so much. Dude, pissed me the fuck off. Then I don't care about like who beat who the locker room. I was gonna take SMU over Litwileville. We saw sm you beat the breaks off of Louisville. And just for the record's sake, Clump text me in the morning, seven am on a Wednesday, Hey, do you mind if we changed this game? So now I'm just kind of like guessing and I end up taking Georgia Georgia Tech.

02:22:27
Speaker 11: Will you followed pet? You should have followed your boy. Well, your boy saw the board man. It was always dude, This game means everything.

02:22:38
Speaker 2: It was always pit but you'll have there's no excuse either way. With the ACC, you'll have Virginia pitt S, m u H, Georgia Tech. And again like you got Virginia Virginia Tech. Like Virginia Tech sleeps and sneaks up on Virginia and wins that game. Virginia is then would they even be in the a CEC Championship. They when you're looking at a scenario of a G five team JMU or Twulane, like they take care of business, win they're conference, they could be ranked higher than the ACC champion because right now the highest rated ACC team right now is Virginia, but they're at what like seventeen or something like their fifteen. Yeah, I guess it depends on what the what the committee does with the playoff rankings, but they could fall below the G five conference champion.

02:23:22
Speaker 4: That's what they're saying is that's how you get away.

02:23:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, the G five would have the automatic conference champion bid so with the ACC champion, but they would be used as an at large pick versus having like the auto championship, you know what I mean, where they get kind of seated. That way, they would be like an at large team that gets in shrom.

02:23:40
Speaker 1: Just rode up here. There are eight SEC championship scenarios and there are six ACC Championship scenarios.

02:23:46
Speaker 2: The ACC one is the most one where there could be the most chaos, like something likely happy likely happen. I think Virginia Tech beating Virginia versus like the SEC. It's like, you guys should take care of Auburn because as long as Alabama wins, they're going to be in against Texas A and M. Like Texa A and M is going to be in whether they win or lose against Texas.

02:24:04
Speaker 5: Uh?

02:24:05
Speaker 1: Is that right?

02:24:09
Speaker 9: World?

02:24:10
Speaker 2: Someone the mic?

02:24:12
Speaker 4: I think if A and M loses, there's a world like if I mean if there's eight scenarios, right, if A and M loses.

02:24:18
Speaker 2: There's got to be.

02:24:21
Speaker 7: Like, is there a world that's Georgia and because they.

02:24:23
Speaker 2: Would only have they would only have like A and M would still be in no matter what. It would come down to scenarios.

02:24:30
Speaker 1: Alabama versus Georgia, hold on, go Down, Go.

02:24:33
Speaker 2: Down, Cinema, go down, Georgia and Bama losing whoever it comes down like oh miss.

02:24:39
Speaker 1: Winning Alabama versus Old Miss Texas A and M loses the Texas Alabama wins out Old Miss wins out Georgia. So Georgia's gotta lose to uh Georgia teft. So that's how that's how A and M misses Georgia versus Texas. Texas beats A and M. Georgia beats Texas.

02:25:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas pizza in and Georgie b Texas. Alabama lose at least one.

02:25:04
Speaker 3: I feel like the versions of it's kind of confusing.

02:25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of confused.

02:25:08
Speaker 2: Chat GPT doesn't already doesn't have ball, don't at all? No sh.

02:25:17
Speaker 1: Look at him up with uh yeah, hey dot to bring Hi back to the game. But think about the implications for Bryce Underwood as well, saying like they've never seen a freshman like me. He's on rich I he's telling Lebron James like you guys are never gonna win again, and now it's time to find out.

02:25:33
Speaker 2: Yeah it was only eighteen.

02:25:37
Speaker 1: Turn eighteen in August eleventh.

02:25:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course our computer is still trying to load here, I mean.

02:25:47
Speaker 1: Here they are.

02:25:47
Speaker 2: So George is in with an Alabama loss or an A and M loss. Alabama wins there in and win or Alabama loss ol Miss loss Ole misses in if they win the Egg Bowl and M loss and Bama loss.

02:26:04
Speaker 3: So Alabama and Texas A and M winning in got you.

02:26:08
Speaker 2: So it's not eight scenarios in the SEC. That was just Chad GPT's version five weeks ago. This is why we coined as football players for break damage. Yeah, because because the looks at um, Oh there's eight situations here. Actually, no, there's not eight ways for chaos.

02:26:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, So ACC is the most exciting piece of chaos.

02:26:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one that could we could see something like that.

02:26:34
Speaker 5: I think it's a game this weekend.

02:26:36
Speaker 8: Sure, I think it's the least exciting if SMU gets into the College Football Playoff. We need to have someone step in and change the playoff this year SMU. If they win the a CC and get in, that's horrible, But.

02:26:47
Speaker 2: It's the most exciting because of the chaos that could happen if you get this weak ACC conference, which we've been saying, like say Virginia loses, Like what team should actually go into the College for All Playoff from the a CC.

02:27:02
Speaker 7: None of them?

02:27:02
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, Miami Miami then being ten and two d in the year, they would have one because again they beat Notre Dame had to head even though Notre Dame, like Notre Dame is a good football team right now, but they do have that head to head win. So that's where it's like, if there's a team that does come out of the a SEC would be only Miami. It's like the a SEC champion, like boys, right, boys?

02:27:31
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:27:31
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's kind of inhaling for more. Yeah, dude, Notre Dame has been handling sevo in Syracuse.

02:27:43
Speaker 4: But they have three They have three defensive or special team touchdowns in the first quarter.

02:27:47
Speaker 1: Did did the offense even come out for the first quarter?

02:27:50
Speaker 4: No offense scored their fourth touchdown on the.

02:27:56
Speaker 1: I mean, bro, that car kid is special, isn't it?

02:28:00
Speaker 7: First first play, his first touch, his first touch?

02:28:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn it?

02:28:05
Speaker 2: What I just saw that SMU beat Miami this year's kind of it kind of makes me. Yeah, chaos, man, chaos four here is chaos.

02:28:15
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Yeah? What the fuck happened this past Saturday? Dude?

02:28:23
Speaker 2: I thought we weren't recapping what thought we were talking. I thought we were moving forward, buddy, Yeah, I thought we were talking all this week's Slate.

02:28:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we need to talk about that like that was. I'll let you speak on it, thirty seven to ten from beginning to end.

02:28:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest, I think that it's it's on my face, like I don't know, I don't know what happened, Like we got shell shocks, we got our ass. Whope, it was about to ask for sixty minutes sixty in Happy Valley.

02:28:58
Speaker 9: Y'all play them ten times?

02:28:59
Speaker 2: How times you beat them? Nine?

02:29:01
Speaker 3: That's why?

02:29:02
Speaker 5: You know what?

02:29:04
Speaker 1: You know what pisses me off about this too? They lose Iowa. What's their record?

02:29:08
Speaker 9: Jp?

02:29:09
Speaker 1: Oh no, eight and four, seven and five.

02:29:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's hard to it's hard to hang your head on that when we lost our quarterback to a broken.

02:29:16
Speaker 1: Lake, no doubt, no doubt. And I literally yeah, we're talking the goal post and the day after I moved the goalpost, the kid breaks his leg. Like that's fucking insane.

02:29:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Look, if Dylan Riello is playing, we are a too lost football team right now, going in Iowa, beating Iowa, and then we are at ten and two football team on the outside looking in, hoping to get in the college football playoff. But we're not our quarterback broke his lake. They got addictions. That is crazy for the sake of predictions. But it ain't. We ain't going seven to five because we about to whoop eye with this. We facts so about all the years that Ohio State beat up on Michigan. But this four streak win you guys have been on it starts. I was our big brother right now. Yeah, but it's time to grow up and it's time to whoop the Iowahau guys this weekend. Time to grow It's time to grow the fuck up and beat the iowaha. We can't dominate them all over the statute like we did last year and they have like what one first down, one explosive play and they win the game by what was it seven to three or something like that.

02:30:16
Speaker 1: What time is that game?

02:30:17
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's usually an afternoon game. Oh last year was a night game. Look it's it was. It was tough Saturday night and more so just like a loss of words.

02:30:32
Speaker 1: Oh, you guys spend the same time as the game. Good news.

02:30:35
Speaker 2: No, no, we're on Friday on Friday, on Friday, eleven am, Black.

02:30:39
Speaker 1: Friday, Friday, eleven am on Friday.

02:30:43
Speaker 2: Big ten, Big ten Conference ain't doing us no favors night game and Happy Valley got to turn around quick and play on Friday. Yeah, eleven am, give us the white out with everybody rooting for who's the head coach for Penn State?

02:30:56
Speaker 1: Terry Smith?

02:30:57
Speaker 2: Terry Smith, Like, I don't know, I can give you all these situations in the world. Penn State being motivated, Like that's a team you don't want to see play at the end of the year right now because they finally caught their lick. They're finally gaining some momentum. Like that top five roster in college football, that roster is the one that showed up. Like to me, that was the we played the team before Oregon took their soul, Like that was the Penn State team we unfortunately played without our starting quarterback because he broke his leg.

02:31:21
Speaker 4: Teams like Penn State where they fired their head coach, those kids are playing to stay on the team for the next head coach that comes in. You saw it with Virginia Tech played their ass off knowing that the new ball coach is on the sideline.

02:31:33
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to be here.

02:31:35
Speaker 5: That's what happened.

02:31:37
Speaker 2: I mean, Buddy, Texas, that's when legitimately when it got over right off the TV and just like how you feel like, it doesn't matter how I feel like. There's truly like I'm bleeding. There's no time to bleed because you have to as fast as you possibly can get your eyes on Iowa. Like that one. It's like, fuck it, we got whooped right there. We can't sit here and question everything going on. We took, we took an ass beat. We have got to focus on Iowa. You throw everything in the trash from that Penn State game because there, you know, you look at it there. We we ain't sitting there. That's kind of a meaningless football game, like we're out of the when we lost the USC, our playoff hopes are out of it. So they kind of caught us off a bye week, licking our wounds and not not having a whole lot to play for. You lose the Penn State, but this one the border Iowa. You have to have this game because you we we end up seven and five.

02:32:27
Speaker 1: We we you end up seven and five, like but again, you got next year. No, no, no, I'm not I'm not even going I'm not going down that for the quarterback. I'm not going down that road. No, No, I agree, I agree. I'm saying I'm taking back what I said. I'm not going down that road onward. You lost your quarterback. That's why you guys lost. I'll buy it. I'll move on. And that's to say this game didn't matter is fucking insane.

02:32:55
Speaker 9: But but as it's right now, this matchup on Friday is the biggest game and coach Rule's career at Nebraska.

02:33:02
Speaker 1: It's the biggest game taking place on Friday. There's no doubt about that.

02:33:06
Speaker 2: It's the biggest game of his coaching career.

02:33:11
Speaker 3: He knows that.

02:33:12
Speaker 2: Nobody knows it better than him. Yeah, this team knows it.

02:33:15
Speaker 1: Hold on, there's a trans perfect music city Bowl, dude, Nebraska versus LSU.

02:33:23
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not thinking about nothing else except the Iowaha guys. Nothing. I don't know how the bowl game situations play. I know we're Bowl eligible. Everybody's going to be chomping at the bit to get the Lincoln Nebraska traveling wherever their city is. But I'm not thinking about any Bowl games right now. It is all Iowaha guys, like they are salivating off of that ass beating the people that came knocking at my door on social media with the Chiefs with Nebraska game pummeled all of it. Bro, people are salivating for Willie c to be six feet in the ground this Friday.

02:33:57
Speaker 1: Yeah they are, Dude. I nexted will during the first drive. Oh really, hold on, We'll go to a second. During the first drive in Nebraska, they get down to the one yard line, they go for it and fourth down. I text, well, my a, it sucks, but that's the right call. Was like, god, take the points. They text me the text was great run because had a big run. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a great run. But Yo, you can't get excited. I'm taking the same thing that Jack and Jack about the Tennessee game. I had great first drive, both of them a lot of ball left. I'm like, bro, you can't just be excited about a first drive. That's crazy. Boys, You've got to take the duves. That's crazy. Think think Friday, Old Miss Mississippi State, George, Georgia, Tech, Texas A and M Texas. Yeah, is that the game is Nebraska Iowa? The biggest game on Saturday, the only game that fucking.

02:34:53
Speaker 7: Matters Tennessee on Saturday.

02:34:59
Speaker 1: Yeah thirty, I mean, buddy, well he gets it.

02:35:07
Speaker 4: God yeah, probably the most hostile environment.

02:35:15
Speaker 1: But hey, just to go back to the text real quick. After the we start talking about that first drive, and then I I'm watching like four games and I kind of peek over and I say that Penn Stations kind of running away with it, and I pulled your number up to like shoot your text. I'm like, it doesn't even matter, bro, Like, just leave this one alone. Yeah, it's gonna go get leave it to Monday. We'll just talk about it on Monday.

02:35:35
Speaker 2: When you're You're like, you're just watching your game, Like all that all that matters is you and that fox are watching the game, whether something good's happening, whether something's bad happening. We know no matter what, it's a sixty minute ball game. There's nothing that's like even the good run thing, It's like, hell, you know what what, there's nothing that's like, uh, did you cli when that one happened? Yeah? I stood one like fucking going right.

02:35:56
Speaker 1: That was me texting and being in the room with you going let's fucking go. The same thing with the first drive. I'm sitting every yo, I gotta be my boy. Yeah, Hey, great, great run. You guys don't know. You guys, just take her insane right now, no doubt. Like, if you don't text me back, that's all good. I'm just saying, Hey, I'm in the room with you. I'm watching the game with you right now. Don't you don't have to text me back. But to be like, don't it don't matter.

02:36:19
Speaker 2: It's like there's nothing score points to win the game.

02:36:22
Speaker 1: Points matter, But when you score point, get excited.

02:36:24
Speaker 2: It's better. It's like, uh, you score more points, Like sh I'm in text before the game. We're all Huskers to night, and it's like that's that's all. Like, you know, he sees the ass will been going on. He might see that pop run play at the beginning, but I already got it. It's like you get something before the game. Hey, we're all Huskers the night. We're on the Okay, I know, I know everybody's like rooting for Nebraska to win. But it's like, you know when you have one big run and it's the first drive and it's like, hey, great run. Like I don't know how to react to I see that. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, it was a great run, right, you know what I mean?

02:36:54
Speaker 1: No, but go ahead, No, do you guys know what I mean?

02:36:57
Speaker 2: I know what you mean?

02:36:59
Speaker 1: Ever to you guys during the game again, All good, well, all good. I swear to God, even Jack and Chef over here. Dude, it's like, I can't wait to hear this is God.

02:37:16
Speaker 5: It's shame.

02:37:18
Speaker 2: No, it's George kitt On letting her know we're gonna beat their ass this week before he plays on Monday night tonight. Get him off the game. Yeah, he's probably focused right now.

02:37:28
Speaker 1: You can leave, You can leave like a little voice video though long mm hmmm, Jack, you gotta George.

02:37:42
Speaker 2: You might be getting ready for your game tonight, but I just want you to know Nebraska is gonna stop a modole in your ass this Friday at eleven eleven am. I hope you catch a lot of balls tonight, but just know Nebraska is coming for your ass.

02:37:57
Speaker 7: Jack.

02:37:57
Speaker 1: You gotta feel like this is probably the most nervous you've been for a Vandy game in a long time.

02:38:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, definitely. But I mean, Vanni fans on Twitter saying this is our super Bowl and this is quite literally the biggest game for Vandy in the last forty years, and they're on Twitter talking shit, saying.

02:38:12
Speaker 2: Man, this is y'all.

02:38:13
Speaker 6: It's like, yo, y'all finally have something to live for, a Heisman candidate and a potential winning in and you're saying this is our best game. It's like you're gonna come in to the loudest environment in college football after talking so much shit all season. It's getting to the point too, where the general consensus is starting to turn on the Pavia family. They're very annoying online. His mom's riding the rail at the game, literally like cowgirling it, wearing the skimpiest outfit possible. She looks like a girl looks down on Broadway at three am, just trying to find a ride home. I mean, no, I know, but I'm just I'm just saying, you see what Joey Aguilar's mom's doing. Just the sweetheart of Tennessee football. It's gonna be fun. I'm very nervous because if we lose, Vandy has this over us for not even just the next three hundred and sixty five days, but for a foreseeable future. I'm not worried for the team. We played great against obviously a shitty Florida team, but if you know, historically de Valls have never been able to put it together in the swamp. We went down there and kicked the shit out of them. The Clump curse is real. Clump is also once again campaigning for Vandy to win, saying that they're gonna beat the shit out of us. So just know, Vandy fans, when you guys come to Kneeland and get your dick kicked in, you know who to blame. It's Jeremy Clump. He claims to be a Florida fan. He claims to be a Vandy fan. He claims to be every fan except for the team that he chose to be a fan of, starting when he moved to Nashville, Tennessee.

02:39:45
Speaker 5: I'm very excited, though.

02:39:47
Speaker 1: This photo of Clump is crazy. That is awesome JV football. If you're college athletics. She still does his eyes to the very yeah, very nervous.

02:39:55
Speaker 6: It will be fireworks.

02:39:58
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens, because they're gonna be ten and two and they could potentially be out of the college will playoff, Yeah, especially you see Texas fans out there. If they beat take down A and M, do they have a have a resume to get in the playoffs? Who you guys, got in the Heisman.

02:40:21
Speaker 1: Not Diego Pavio, Jeremiah Love my original pick who's now number two and the odds.

02:40:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Jeremiah, Like if there were if I could grab three'd be frien Aa Mendoz would be Diego Pavian to be Jeremiah.

02:40:35
Speaker 1: Love you go You're out on Uh was it Rodriguez?

02:40:38
Speaker 2: I'm not out. I think he's just on the out. I think he's on the outside looking in. I do think that that's a dude to where like when I'm thinking about the Heisman, it's when all the success of these teams, how they've had kind of throughout the season, and there comes to be the storylines that come from these teams with these guys that were talking about like they are the storyline, Like like Texas Tech, I when Texas Tech's playing it, I want to turn it on to see if Jacob Rodriguez makes his splash play. And in the last game since he's been on, he has like they were on a bye week this week, did Indiana? They have a bye week as well, so for Nana wentn't on it and I think they played Perdue this weekend. I think Diego Pave is on a Heisman spot here playing against Tennessee. I think, who does Notre Dame have this weekend?

02:41:20
Speaker 7: Stanford Stanford.

02:41:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a cupcake. But either way, Jeremiah Love, you turn like you go you watch Notre Dame football because you want to see what highlights come of Jeremiah Love, you know what I mean? Like absolutely, Julian Saying, I think he has he has like a stat line, but I think he's more of like a product of the system or.

02:41:36
Speaker 1: The team show. I mean the Rutgers game, what was the stat line? I think he was ten percent.

02:41:41
Speaker 2: He had like less than one hundred and fifty yards.

02:41:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, which they I think they were. They were trying to run the ball more and establish a run game and kind of get out that way.

02:41:48
Speaker 2: And I think Julian Saying is an awesome player. I think Marcel Reid's an awesome player too. Who's another gunner stocked him? I think he's an awesome player. But I feel like I tuned into Georgia to watch the Georgia Bulloks. I tune into Ohio State to watch Ohio State. If I'm tuning into a house eate, it's like I'm wanting to watch Jeremiah Smith be out there with the alien. Yeah yeah, Cardeal Tate, But those other guys, I feel like they are the story of their program. And Jeremiah love Is He's the most versatile, most dynamic back or dynamic player in all of college football. Diego Pavi is just he's going. He's got a Heisman moment coming up with Tennessee. What do you have? Over five hundred total yards in like six touchdowns this last weekend. He's been the reason you tune in to watch Vanderbilt football over the last two seasons. And I think Mendoza the the season that he's had with just again being Indiana. He is the focal point. He's on all these podcasts, now breaking down Converagence. People are fall in love with him, like he's the guy when you think of Indiana. So those to me, that's why I kind of have those three. Jacob Arrigae, I just think it's gonna be hard for a defensive player to win unless he makes a couple of splash plays, which he could, which is if I'm watching Texas Tech this weekend, it's because I'm wanting to see if Jacob Barriguez mix a play. So that's why I kind of have my Heisman, Like when I'm looking at if I had.

02:42:57
Speaker 1: A watching the team, watching the player, Yeah, that's the first ket and then how good is that player playing?

02:43:02
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, I like that.

02:43:03
Speaker 1: I like that.

02:43:04
Speaker 7: Can I read some stats pretty quick for Jeremiah Love? Ye, get your reaction.

02:43:07
Speaker 8: Yes, twoy six hundred and one rushing yards, twenty nine touchdowns. Impressive stats. Those are Ashton Gentis last year and he did not win the Heisman Trophy. Jeremiah Love only has thirteen hundred rushing yards and seventeen touchdowns this year. That is crazy if he would win the Heisman Trophy this year. And I want jeremih Love to win that.

02:43:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so. I thought this is going to be a complete opposite. That would be stat.

02:43:33
Speaker 7: Line insane to me for him to win the Heisman Trophy.

02:43:35
Speaker 8: So, in my opinion, if Diego Pavia does what we all know he will do, go to Knoxville and beat the shit out of Tennessee, Diego Pavia should win the Heisman Trophy based off of elevating his team the most stats all of it. So to me, Jeremiah Love's fun because we you know, picking to start the year.

02:43:53
Speaker 7: But it's got to be Diego Pavi.

02:43:54
Speaker 1: If Diego Pavia has the game, your claiming he's going to have? Is he clearly over Fernanda Mendoza over? I mean Jeremiah Love. It sounds like the stats aren't there. I think, is that the clear winner?

02:44:04
Speaker 9: Now?

02:44:04
Speaker 7: I think, what was it you met?

02:44:06
Speaker 8: You said like Fernando Mendoz would be almost the most boring Heisman Trophy winner ever in my opinion.

02:44:11
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's got to Diego for excitement.

02:44:13
Speaker 2: I could buy that. And Jeremiah Love too. It's more of just he seems like the best player in college football, Like he's the most talented cat, like playing the game and to see see all these highlights that he has and everything else. It's almost like that feeling that you have watching Jeremiah Love versus like the stat line everything else. Who wanted who won it last year? Travis Hunter? I mean I get it with Ashton Genty, like he stats everything else. If he did that at like a power, if you did that here, if you did that this year right right, like you would see it more.

02:44:45
Speaker 7: Almost what a thousand yards? Yeah, they're thirteen hundred, but yeah he is.

02:44:52
Speaker 2: He leads done, he leads the nation Jeremiah Love and the yards from scrimmage.

02:44:56
Speaker 7: I think he leads in rushing yards.

02:45:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's he's fun to watch, but I see what you mean to me if if Diego Pavia has four touchdowns, he gets a win against Tennessee, like, it's gonna be hard not to not to look at the Diego Pavia like over like what he's done for this program of Vanderbilt and not give him a Heisman.

02:45:15
Speaker 1: True, that program is maybe bull eligible without Diego Pavia.

02:45:21
Speaker 7: It doesn't.

02:45:21
Speaker 2: The Heisman win is the ceremony. It happens after the championship games. Yeah, yeah, so Mendozo will have an opportunity against Ohio State defensive Ohio State beats Michigan this weekend, or whoever, if it's Oregon, like he'll have why he's already beat Oregan, but he'll have like a championship moment to where he could put that last one. Because again it's like he's got Purdue this weekend when it comes to boring him leading and having boring everything else, Like I I can.

02:45:44
Speaker 3: See that for sure, he'll have another He'll have another game to like not boost stats, but yeah, show like show have the opportunity to show what he's like capable of and like maybe have that Heisman moment was two weeks ago.

02:45:59
Speaker 2: Hard has more rushing yards. A. Mott Hardy's a monster. Monster A Mott Hardy's a monster.

02:46:05
Speaker 1: I wonder why Mott Hardy's not more in the conversation then because the team.

02:46:09
Speaker 2: The Yeah, again, it's like you'll have all this team success the way Notre Dames and playing the back half of the year of the way Vandy's played all season long. For Nano Mendoza, it's just like the success of their team. Mazoo kind of doesn't have that following them, especially again you lose over the weekend to Oklahoma. Yeah, it is nuts.

02:46:31
Speaker 9: Amad Hardy has one hundred more rushing yards and has only scored two less touchdowns.

02:46:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and no, Mott Hardy's a monster.

02:46:39
Speaker 9: Yeah and has I guess he has a few more carries.

02:46:41
Speaker 3: But you got hurt.

02:46:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're going off these uh, these guys that are in the race that it's like the temperature of their team, like they are setting the temperature and you're like, all these guys, I don't care who you have front runner first, second, third, fourth, whatever. It's just like all these guys, I think set are set up perfectly for these last couple of weeks for who's gonna rise and be the guy that comes out of it. And to me, whatever happens in these last two weeks, it's like those that guy is gonna clearly be the Heisman winner.

02:47:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great time, but the only thing that really matters is a hot of state Michigan. All those things he could, yeah those for three hundred yards four touchdowns, like get him an invite?

02:47:24
Speaker 5: Oh?

02:47:24
Speaker 1: Buy?

02:47:25
Speaker 2: Were you about to be this weekend? JP was South Carolina Clemson be in the stadium in the missus going yeah, yeah, I gotta go.

02:47:32
Speaker 9: It's the rival sitting sitting hate week right now, sitting'ce my wife, she went to Clemson. You know it's one Saturday hits. We step on that field, the game's changed. Yeah, we're out exactly. Once we're between those white lines. Anything goes but taking off the ring, putting in the pocket.

02:47:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:47:51
Speaker 9: But it's cool because I like when we posted last week the tiger burn that we do, it was packed out.

02:47:58
Speaker 2: All of the students there.

02:47:59
Speaker 9: We light a massive Tiger on fire, and it's just a testament to the fan base of at that time we had still we'd only want three games and everyone shows up. You look at the game this past week, we're playing Coastal, nothing to cheer about in the stadium's full. It's like, that's why game cognition is special. And I can't wait to be a part of it one last time this season because I'll tell you what next year.

02:48:24
Speaker 1: I did see the clip of that tier burn Dude, that was sick.

02:48:26
Speaker 2: They do a great job building that thing too, where you guys think Lane Kiffin's going.

02:48:32
Speaker 1: Staying home, say I like that chef ship Yeah, chef texting what an hour it's gonna break?

02:48:40
Speaker 2: I was just, oh, ship our boys. Chef. He sent the group chat a screenshot, just being like, I got a friend that's kind of close. It's close to the program. Lane Kiff and the l s U. Within an hour, Yeah, yeah, within an hour. This was on Saturday.

02:48:55
Speaker 1: He's gonna coach. He's gonna coach at a bowl. They're not getting the answer they.

02:48:59
Speaker 2: Want coach Beamer.

02:49:00
Speaker 9: He was he he was saying that Lane Kiffin is gonna have like the three hat set up like the players used to do.

02:49:06
Speaker 1: Would not Yeah, would not be be hilarious?

02:49:10
Speaker 2: Should They're saying he's gonna announce what within the hour after the Egg Bowl? What's gonna happen? He's got right, that would.

02:49:19
Speaker 1: Be awesome for him. Mistake. I hope he does stay. Clump's done an.

02:49:26
Speaker 8: Yeah that it is fun to see, like the flight tracker back again. And then Florida canceled their volleyball games, so they're like, oh, they're announcing Lane Kiffin. Like all the conspiracy theories. I feel like that's always so fun that college football's got that. So what Lane is doing is good for college football. And then Josh pat is trolling the world. He tweeted that he knows for Lane's coaching.

02:49:46
Speaker 1: Next unnecessary crazy move, unnecessary.

02:49:52
Speaker 4: That just started posting like oh no dot, and people are like, good dude, don't do this. We know today everyone is just sending tweets reaction.

02:50:03
Speaker 1: That's funny.

02:50:04
Speaker 2: Coops. What was that coop who sent that tweet? Josh Pay's tweet in the group chat. I don't think it, oh ship, he knows if Lane stayed him? Yeah, where's he going? Yeah?

02:50:17
Speaker 1: Crazy going?

02:50:19
Speaker 4: Yeah if Lane stays, who does who do they seriously go after? Now Florida and L s U. There's so many jobs things.

02:50:25
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's a it's unless you know your guy is it's a bad time to go.

02:50:30
Speaker 7: I have a little wrinkle for Florida if they don't get Lane Golish, Chip Kelly, Enjoy, Chip Kelly.

02:50:39
Speaker 2: Did just get fired Chip Kelly get back in the college? Chip another Kelly? Yeah, honestly.

02:50:49
Speaker 7: That that was crazy.

02:50:52
Speaker 8: If it's true, If if what he said is true that L s U like powers wouldn't let Brian Kelly walk him out on senior Day, that's kind of crazy, don't you think? Am I wrong to think that no matter how much bad blood there is, lawsuit whatever, there was like him not being able to walk his son out.

02:51:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably were worried about like booing and stuff.

02:51:11
Speaker 2: Still, to me, what was he saying to the camera when he was pulling the shirt up? My boy, long lived, b case free my boy, free my boy.

02:51:23
Speaker 9: He was, but he was trying to go at Megan making money? Was he this past week on some bull crap his son? And he was like, oh, like, I'll send the d MS of you trying to like get merch or like basically get clout. Yeah, meet my dad and he drops the d ms and they were the most nothing Burger dms ever where She was like or he was like, hey, we need to get you in this merch. She's like, yeah, send it and he posts it was like your corny. She's like, what are you talking about? It's why your dad didn't run you out on the field. I'm all the way out on Brian KM.

02:52:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of with you on b K. I'm done with that. I think he just goes home. Who knows Man Arkansas that.

02:52:11
Speaker 2: Whenever I did, uh.

02:52:14
Speaker 9: Yeah, pay says everyone's getting coach Man.

02:52:17
Speaker 1: Payton had some crazy things about remember Lincoln Riley just fucking threw their grenade out there.

02:52:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.

02:52:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said a lot of stuff, that's all he said.

02:52:28
Speaker 2: When I texted Paid, I was like, where's he going? He said, When people tell you link Kiffin is the world's best roll, always remember there's at least one better. What shiitt he is?

02:52:37
Speaker 1: That's the exact text he sent me back. Yeah, what else we got? Boys? Michigan Ohio State biggest game, the biggest game of the year, of the the world.

02:52:52
Speaker 2: I think Uh, I think Texas gets A and M. I think Texas gets I can see that for sure.

02:52:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, Yeah, thats chaos.

02:53:04
Speaker 2: It just like just fan bases being allowed, you know, arguing schedules.

02:53:12
Speaker 1: That we belong in the playoffs.

02:53:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't.

02:53:17
Speaker 7: Yeh talked about was it that all their losses are top ten teams or something? Is that what he was saying.

02:53:23
Speaker 8: Yeah, when they played on they were all top ten and they beat three top ten teams. I believe they're like, they have the most top ten wins this year. So if they do B, A and M, they'd have four top ten wins. I think that's what it was. They beat Vandy when they were top ten. Uh yeah, but that's what I mean. When they when they played they were top ten, Oklahoma was top ten. I believe when they played right for red River. Is there one other one?

02:53:45
Speaker 2: I respect all the frameworks people figure out to get their team to playoffs? Yeah, yeah, because then there's one there's one framework that comes along that just kind of thinking of I mean, this is this can be true. Somebody else kills them and they're like, oh yeah, yeah, they're right too.

02:54:05
Speaker 1: You know, they got it. We feel good boys. Big week of college football, the biggest week of college football.

02:54:11
Speaker 2: Imagine Georgia Tech slips, our sneaks on Georgia.

02:54:17
Speaker 1: Just wild.

02:54:19
Speaker 2: Slips a little jab on Georgia.

02:54:22
Speaker 1: Georgia is not falling falling out.

02:54:24
Speaker 7: If v Andy beats Tennessee, Yeah, that'd be a tough one.

02:54:31
Speaker 1: Andy, So interesting to me, did that game?

02:54:33
Speaker 2: Georgia would fall out if they lost Georgia Tech because they'd be a three loss SEC team. Yeah, yeah, they fall out of it. Oh wait, no, no, no, they beat They beat Tennessee too. Yeah they only have one. Yeah. God, I kind of want to see it, just to see the chaos.

02:54:49
Speaker 1: I know you do. Yeah, I don't care what happens this week with anybody's team, but Michigan.

02:54:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, the game's gonna be awesome to watch. It is gonna be awesome.

02:55:00
Speaker 1: And there's a world we can blow them out. There's a world and that vice versa world also lips, but I'm just saying there's a world. Double digitch.

02:55:10
Speaker 8: Who's everyone got in the game, Michigan, Ohio State. I'll thank you guys because you're a locker room. But back of the bus, guys, who do we got I'll go first, Michigan money line. Bryce Underwood will show that college football is different. You can go out and buy a player and it will help your team. No, it'll change college football landscape for a lot of teams. Bryce Underwood legacy game.

02:55:35
Speaker 2: Go Blue.

02:55:38
Speaker 3: I'm obviously o High State, all.

02:55:40
Speaker 9: Right, JP Michigan all day, every day, elementary school, bully, middle school bully, was.

02:55:46
Speaker 2: Ohio State fan.

02:55:47
Speaker 9: I'll never root for Ohio State.

02:55:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, fully with Michigan. Ohio State has had such a cupcake schedule and I don't know, I just I love. I would love to see you'll get five in a row. It just kills the casual house State fans that just linger in the dark all year long.

02:56:04
Speaker 2: So because they still get to go to the playoff things, you know, but then you still win a national title, but you can't beat Michigan.

02:56:10
Speaker 1: Can't beat them.

02:56:11
Speaker 6: It's the best just caveat of well, at least you got that.

02:56:15
Speaker 7: So yeah, go Blue, Go Blue.

02:56:17
Speaker 1: And for the chaos of it all, that would be fun. Godselfs Mitch, all right, Mitch, it's the world boys. I cannot thank you enough. It feels so good to have you by my side because earlier this year, I had to fight a battle alone. Victorious, but I had to fight a battle alone.

02:56:37
Speaker 9: Would you like us to text you during the game when things are going good?

02:56:41
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, as I love to know what my boys are buying with me. I think that's awesome, even if I don't get to to I don't know the forty six commercial breaks there are when everybody goes on their phone. Anyway, Like, yeah, it'd be awesome. You guys don't have to though. If that's how you guys play games, don't change up for me. Just enjoy the game.

02:56:57
Speaker 2: Is your game.

02:56:58
Speaker 1: I appreciate your game. We want to This game is not about me, that's the thing. Like I had my time at Michigan. It's about those kids. It's about Brettison, who might not play, who is two time captain full back, the heart and soul of that team. It's about kids like that. That's what it's about. So watch the game, watch the game how you watch games. But just know it's Michigan and I cannot fucking wait. Mitch will be at the house. I guess I'll get like a gout free pizza. We can get pizza. No, my life is so different now, man, I'll have like a fucking carrots and ship or whatever. I have to eat beans. No, then I'll get I'll get Mitch food. I'll just stare at his foot. I'll have my dog bowl of food whatever I'm allowed to be, just ab and a dog bowl. I don't know through the bread. Who knows the jelly? You know the sweets and the jelly. I'm in hell anyway, Uh go Blue Boys? Any parting thoughts, We're good. Subscribe so close to Let's get it done. Let's get it done. Big hugs, tiny kisses,