Please Don't "Save the (honey)Bees"

<v Speaker 1>Tube. He's on the tube. He's on the least lights.
<v Speaker 2>Did you see any northern lights? No?
<v Speaker 1>I did not. I didn't. I'm too low. I'm at
<v Speaker 1>like twenty six degrees latitude here. I'm done at the
<v Speaker 1>ass end of Texas.
<v Speaker 2>Oh never mind, okay, yeah, where are you at? We're
<v Speaker 2>down here. You know where Tombstone is, of course?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>I think so. Is that that's outside of Phoenix?
<v Speaker 2>Right, okay? Well, actually, okay, Tucson. You know, Tucson is
<v Speaker 2>one hundred miles of south of Phoenix, and we are
<v Speaker 2>one hundred miles south of Tucson.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you're near Bisbee, it's.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, yeah, we're Yeah, we're just on the edge
<v Speaker 2>of Bisbee and the edge of our seats, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>but we're a mile high in the mountains. And I
<v Speaker 2>actually saw the northern lights for the second time in
<v Speaker 2>a year last night. Again.
<v Speaker 1>Oh god damn. Yeah, you're lucky man. All right, well,
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I haven't seen him in a long time.
<v Speaker 1>I saw him driving driving on the interstate in Minnesota once.
<v Speaker 1>But welcome to the crime pace. Upon he doesn't podcast
<v Speaker 1>today on a podcast. This is I've been looking forward
<v Speaker 1>to this for a long time because I love this.
<v Speaker 1>I love these videos. It's it's read Booth, the killer
<v Speaker 1>bee guy and Hash. What's Hash's last name?
<v Speaker 2>Does he?
<v Speaker 1>Does he prefer to keep it secret? Or can he?
<v Speaker 1>Can we let it out?
<v Speaker 2>Or what is the last name? Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Hosh is the last name? Okay, I apologize?
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, My name is Hosh Hosh hosh ho.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there you go. That works too, shure fucking why
<v Speaker 1>not Hosh Hosh Hosh Hosh and read Booth, you guys,
<v Speaker 1>put on you guys, put on these fucking suits and
<v Speaker 1>go deal with the my arch nemesis. These bees. I've
<v Speaker 1>you know, I learned about you from a friend who's
<v Speaker 1>a herper. He's actually he's an organic chemistry teacher. He
<v Speaker 1>does herping on the side. But he sent me these
<v Speaker 1>videos and I said, this is fucking nuts, man. These
<v Speaker 1>are This has got to be one of the most
<v Speaker 1>horrible ways to die, getting sworn by these things. The
<v Speaker 1>scoot Alotta hybrid you know, commonly referred to as the
<v Speaker 1>quote africanized bees that was bred in Brazil with an
<v Speaker 1>eco a very aggressive ecotype of APIs malifer. Of the
<v Speaker 1>honey bees they had European and then they bred it
<v Speaker 1>with the Southern ecotype, which is more aggressive, and so
<v Speaker 1>now we have this mess. And basically, anytime you encounter
<v Speaker 1>a faroh bee colony in the lower latitude United States,
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be the more aggressive variety.
<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, it's assumed the worst. Let's put it
<v Speaker 2>that way. You know. It's it's like as if you
<v Speaker 2>have two landmines in your yard. One's a dad and
<v Speaker 2>one's not. You're gonna step on them to find out.
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, I mean, these things and I've been chased.
<v Speaker 1>I had a friend who's been chased because he's out
<v Speaker 1>there digging around the brush, lifting up you know, tin
<v Speaker 1>and sheet metal and stuff, looking for snakes and tortoises
<v Speaker 1>and shit. And he did that once with a killer beehive.
<v Speaker 1>They chased them. He got stung like two hundred times.
<v Speaker 1>They chased them for half a mile.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. And of course we see that
<v Speaker 2>in here, but every single day. The most recent we
<v Speaker 2>heard was up in Mesa, which is Phoenix area, two
<v Speaker 2>days ago. Oh my god, these guys were transporting a hive.
<v Speaker 2>So there's a bunch of people relocating these damn things.
<v Speaker 2>Because of the great illusion of Winnie the poogle sunny
<v Speaker 2>bees exactly, Joey, save the bees. It's not Nobody ever
<v Speaker 2>asked which ones right. And so they're transporting this hive
<v Speaker 2>and it lit up in their pickup truck and the
<v Speaker 2>driver got stung up and lost control, killed a pedestrian
<v Speaker 2>and ran into a pole.
<v Speaker 1>Jesus fucking I mean, I shouldn't be laughing, but like
<v Speaker 1>it's like something out of a movie. It's terrible. It's
<v Speaker 1>fucking off.
<v Speaker 2>That's the stupidity of it, you know. And that was
<v Speaker 2>just a couple of days ago. This happens all the time.
<v Speaker 2>People are relocating these things. What the fuck? It makes
<v Speaker 2>no sense. They're relocating a deadly invasive species. What's not
<v Speaker 2>the love?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the thing too, is you know. I
<v Speaker 1>was just I went to the Southern California Botanist Symposium
<v Speaker 1>last week and there was a guy that a presentation
<v Speaker 1>on how honey bees actually they not only reduce the
<v Speaker 1>diversity of native bees, which are fucking so cool. My
<v Speaker 1>last podcast that there was a native bee diversity in
<v Speaker 1>the deserts in North America, but the honey bees reduce
<v Speaker 1>diversity of native pollinators, but they also reduce levels of
<v Speaker 1>fitness in plants because you know, like a desert shrub
<v Speaker 1>will have be covered in many different flowers, but they're
<v Speaker 1>all on the same plant. So and the honey bees
<v Speaker 1>behave differently than the native bees. They'll go from flower
<v Speaker 1>to flower to flower on the same plant, so the
<v Speaker 1>plant is essentially fucking itself, which leads to inbreeding depression
<v Speaker 1>and reduced levels of fitness. Whereas native bees, and you
<v Speaker 1>can watch them too, native bees will go from one
<v Speaker 1>flower then to a different plant. That's I don't know why, Host.
<v Speaker 2>Can you expound on that a little bit because Host
<v Speaker 2>talks about this extensively when we're doing these VIDs, Go,
<v Speaker 2>what are your thoughts on Hosh?
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, I think the main thing is people
<v Speaker 4>don't understand that the pollination is not a s It's
<v Speaker 4>very complex, right that that's what it comes down to,
<v Speaker 4>And it comes down to more than just this inbreeding
<v Speaker 4>thing you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>It's like length of probiscus.
<v Speaker 4>You know the size of the bee, like squash bees
<v Speaker 4>for example, you know only the squash bees can pollinate
<v Speaker 4>the squash plants. You know, honey bees can't do that. Additionally,
<v Speaker 4>you know most of our native bees they really emit
<v Speaker 4>a very loud hum, and that hum is designed to
<v Speaker 4>elicit a nectar response in the flowers. Right, and so
<v Speaker 4>they basically the flowers get wet, right, the bees come over,
<v Speaker 4>they start singing to them, The flowers get wet, and
<v Speaker 4>then they can go in there and grab that nectar.
<v Speaker 2>Honey bees can't do that. Honey bees don't buzz follow me.
<v Speaker 1>Well, not to mention all the specialist relationships that exist
<v Speaker 1>among native bees too. You know, a certain bee can
<v Speaker 1>only eat the pollen of a certain genus or family
<v Speaker 1>of plants. But these so they're invasive species, which a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people aren't aware of, you know, just regular
<v Speaker 1>people that aren't scientists or biologists or work in you know,
<v Speaker 1>be removal. A lot of people don't know that they're invasive.
<v Speaker 1>But then these things can be really deadly too. They
<v Speaker 1>sting you, and once they sting you, you're marked with
<v Speaker 1>a pheromone, and then others start coming at you. And
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be close to the nest either, right.
<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's the thing what people don't realize is
<v Speaker 2>how badly these things are.
<v Speaker 4>Now.
<v Speaker 2>When we used to have European honeybees, people are quite
<v Speaker 2>shocked to learn that there were no honey bees in
<v Speaker 2>the state of Arizona before eighteen seventy two. Ever, they
<v Speaker 2>made it into California first. Now I'm talking European honey bees,
<v Speaker 2>and people are always like, well, but I thought they
<v Speaker 2>were native here, and I go, you know how I
<v Speaker 2>teach it is, We'll go wait a minute. I've never
<v Speaker 2>heard of an Alabama honeybee, or a Texas honeybee, or
<v Speaker 2>a Latin American honey bee. No, they're invasive here. They
<v Speaker 2>were brought over in the early in the sixteen hundreds
<v Speaker 2>by colonists, and Native Americans hated them so much they
<v Speaker 2>called them white man's flies, and that was the nice ones.
<v Speaker 2>So they were kind of, you know, we were in
<v Speaker 2>love with them. I used to keep bees up here
<v Speaker 2>at the ranch years ago, in the late eighties and
<v Speaker 2>early nineties, because I had Winnie the Pooh glasses on
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, oh, they're cute and fuzzy, they don't
<v Speaker 2>try to kill me, and they give me honey. What's
<v Speaker 2>not to love. Of course, being myopic humans, we did
<v Speaker 2>not we do not pay attention to what they do
<v Speaker 2>to native environment, and invasive species has never benefited the
<v Speaker 2>native environment they've invaded, right, So now all of a
<v Speaker 2>sudden the Africanized come across the line and back in
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, Joey, And so did I ever tell you that, Joey?
<v Speaker 2>That that's why you know they came from down south? Right?
<v Speaker 2>And where does that let from the border here? We're
<v Speaker 2>nine miles so we call them be legals.
<v Speaker 1>So they can so they were because they're still in
<v Speaker 1>the obviously in Mexico, and they've been slowly heading north.
<v Speaker 1>And are they how how far that you know of
<v Speaker 1>are they? How far north are they heading?
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, first of all, that one went over your head.
<v Speaker 2>I guess it was bee legals.
<v Speaker 1>No, I got it. I get you, I get you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah right, I'm giving you our time. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>interesting story on that one. A few days ago, we
<v Speaker 2>got a comment from a fan up in British Columbia
<v Speaker 2>and they have it. They're called trees and shrubs and
<v Speaker 2>that's their business, I guess, up from BC and Canada
<v Speaker 2>and they years years ago had this beekeeper that came
<v Speaker 2>to them and said, can I keep some hives on
<v Speaker 2>your property? And I'll give you some honey. You know
<v Speaker 2>that's been happening for you know, as long as honey
<v Speaker 2>bees have been here, and people, usually ranchers, used to
<v Speaker 2>let them do that down here, and so they had
<v Speaker 2>some bees. Well this guy, all of a sudden, the
<v Speaker 2>bees started attacking her husband, and she asked him, what
<v Speaker 2>the fuck you know, She asked him, what's going on?
<v Speaker 2>She said, he said, oh, well, the bears are so
<v Speaker 2>mean here that I imported Africanized honey bees to make
<v Speaker 2>them more aggressive, to protect from the bears Jesus. And
<v Speaker 2>so then the dumb shit takes these hives up into
<v Speaker 2>the mountains of British Columbia for the fire weed nectar
<v Speaker 2>flow so he could get fireweed honey. Now, if you
<v Speaker 2>think for one moment that those bees did not swarm
<v Speaker 2>up there and divide and conquer. There are Africanized honey
<v Speaker 2>bees now in British Columbia, Ontario, and Alberta.
<v Speaker 1>So the cooler temperatures don't really seem to affect them
<v Speaker 1>at all.
<v Speaker 2>And we we're actually not sure if it ever did,
<v Speaker 2>or if it was the illusion of oh they're Africanized,
<v Speaker 2>they can't stand it where it's cold. M h right,
<v Speaker 2>that old fellasy right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're from a warm place, so maybe they need
<v Speaker 1>warm places they can't take.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, like I did a show with Nat
<v Speaker 2>Geo fifteen years ago or something like that, and the
<v Speaker 2>whole it was the Old Monster Quest. Remember that show.
<v Speaker 2>I think that Geo they were always looking for letting
<v Speaker 2>lockedness and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And so when
<v Speaker 2>the director called me up and I told him I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to show you real monsters, almost got the cameraman killed. Man.
<v Speaker 2>That was awesome. Yeah, I mean, anyway, the whole premise
<v Speaker 2>of that show was to dispel the myth the killer
<v Speaker 2>bees cannot live where it's cold. We went to flag Staff,
<v Speaker 2>we went to Vegas. They flew me everywhere to get
<v Speaker 2>samples of bees for testing a percentage of Africanization back
<v Speaker 2>here in Tucson at the labs, and all of them
<v Speaker 2>that we sent down in twenty fifteen, all of them,
<v Speaker 2>no matter where they came from, were Africanized.
<v Speaker 1>They all had the and that's the scoot, A lot
<v Speaker 1>of ego type the scoot, a lot of what is
<v Speaker 1>it a variety I think or subspecies or some shit.
<v Speaker 1>But so that was in all of them that came
<v Speaker 1>all the DNA tests came back for positive for that.
<v Speaker 2>The exactly all came back and they're called African eyesed
<v Speaker 2>because the dominant gene is the African gene.
<v Speaker 1>Where where is it from in Africa? Is it in
<v Speaker 1>northern Africa or is it no southern?
<v Speaker 2>So what are they hosh South South Africa, South Cape
<v Speaker 2>Cape beast. I think you know, there's no other an
<v Speaker 2>Eastern savannah Eastern South African savannah beat.
<v Speaker 1>So this is probably an ecotype that evolved in response
<v Speaker 1>to hives getting raided by large mammals.
<v Speaker 2>Probably, But it also turns out, Joey that the cross
<v Speaker 2>breed is much meaner than either parent strain.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's weird, that's kind of you know, that's kind
<v Speaker 1>of So the.
<v Speaker 2>Only analogy that I can come up with is, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you you breed. You take two purebred dogs and you
<v Speaker 2>crossbreed and we end up with Chiua.
<v Speaker 1>Was every time right, the chihuahuas to chase you in
<v Speaker 1>the street. They are so they're always so aggressive, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But so this is because I had a friend. I
<v Speaker 1>have a friend, she's a beat keep it down here
<v Speaker 1>and she you know, I was asking her as like
<v Speaker 1>two years ago before I really knew, and I said,
<v Speaker 1>because I'll see count you know, Faroh honey beehives, and
<v Speaker 1>she said, yeah, basically, anytime you see a Farah honey beehive,
<v Speaker 1>they're all the scoot, a lot of hybrid, they're all
<v Speaker 1>super aggressive, but sometimes sometimes they're not.
<v Speaker 2>Though.
<v Speaker 1>That's what's confusing me too, Like even like the hive
<v Speaker 1>won't behave aggressively in certain days. Have you noticed and
<v Speaker 1>in some of your videos too, I've noticed that, like
<v Speaker 1>you'll see, there'll be times when they're just lit up,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the video you did called Portal to
<v Speaker 1>Hell or I Plead the Fifth the trailer one, and
<v Speaker 1>then other times they're just relatively mellow. Is that like
<v Speaker 1>a temperature thing that you've noticed, or just what affects that?
<v Speaker 1>If anything?
<v Speaker 2>It really doesn't make any sense to us, because not
<v Speaker 2>only do they look exactly the same as a European
<v Speaker 2>honeybeat Okay, the difference is genetic. They don't look any different.
<v Speaker 2>But just like any other gritter on the planet, how
<v Speaker 2>they're behaving at this exact moment has nothing to do
<v Speaker 2>their genetics. Behavior does not equal genetics. So they they're
<v Speaker 2>still Africanized no matter how they're behaving at this moment, right,
<v Speaker 2>And so some of them like, not every rottweiler is
<v Speaker 2>going to kill you every time you see it. Not
<v Speaker 2>every horse is going to throw you. Not. Nothing behaves
<v Speaker 2>the same all the time. Right, Yeah, I'll.
<v Speaker 4>Share something interesting with you. Some of the some of
<v Speaker 4>the most docile hives that we have exterminated, had killed
<v Speaker 4>a dog the day before.
<v Speaker 1>Oh we're okay, Yeah, So it's it's just it's just
<v Speaker 1>like a coin toss, I mean, because no matter what
<v Speaker 1>that the alleles that come from the scoot a lota
<v Speaker 1>hybrid are gonna they're going to be naturally selected for.
<v Speaker 1>The most aggressive are going to be naturally selected for
<v Speaker 1>and any any colonies. And this is probably what was
<v Speaker 1>happening when they were migrating north, is that you know,
<v Speaker 1>the the any feral European honey beehives which did not
<v Speaker 1>need to be as aggressive because they probably because they've
<v Speaker 1>been domesticated for so long that had been filtered out.
<v Speaker 1>They eventually got replaced just by these hyper aggressive colonies,
<v Speaker 1>or invaded by the colonies and then hybridized too or
<v Speaker 1>but slowly. The net result is that basically everything now
<v Speaker 1>is this is the africanized one. The scutolatas.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, you have to assume it. That's for sure,
<v Speaker 2>that could build grand mind thing. I mean, people still
<v Speaker 2>so many people have Winnie the Pooh glasses on. We
<v Speaker 2>call it right, and we get death threats for because
<v Speaker 2>we're killing honey bees. It's just stupid, you know, It's
<v Speaker 2>like people just.
<v Speaker 1>Don't know that. People are so removed. People are so
<v Speaker 1>removed from biological reality. I mean, I deal with it
<v Speaker 1>with plants all the time. People think all plants should
<v Speaker 1>be neat and hedged and even lease spaced and have
<v Speaker 1>variegated leaves and you know, be the corny shit you
<v Speaker 1>get at the home Depot garden section. And meanwhile, the
<v Speaker 1>nature around them, they're afraid of the nature around I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to go out into nature. This takes and
<v Speaker 1>snakes and you know, they're they're afraid of the living world.
<v Speaker 1>It's wild. But so what do you guys, how do
<v Speaker 1>you so, what's the method you guys employ for dealing
<v Speaker 1>with these things when you're called in?
<v Speaker 2>Well, we have really good b suits and cohon's like that.
<v Speaker 1>But okay, well you got to have be suits obviously,
<v Speaker 1>but what are the I know, you use glue, you don't,
<v Speaker 1>you don't spray a lot of Uh, you don't use pesticides, right, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>We do, Yeah, we do sometimes. Well, yeah, absolutely. I
<v Speaker 2>mean in the state of Arizona, you know, we're licensed
<v Speaker 2>to use nuclear weapons that we don't you know, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we're Bosh and I are both have all the licensing
<v Speaker 2>you can get with the Department of Vague regarding this. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>In the in our division, we actually teach for the
<v Speaker 2>state for licensing continuing education, and we also teach first responders.
<v Speaker 2>We have different classes for first responders and uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>share police, fire, et cetera. Because they don't want anything
<v Speaker 2>to do with these damn things, right, yeah. And so
<v Speaker 2>we've developed these methods act I primarily have. I've been
<v Speaker 2>doing it for a brown thirty five years and Bush
<v Speaker 2>has been with me for about five years now. So
<v Speaker 2>I developed most of these methods to stay alive. Honestly,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, people ask me where did I
<v Speaker 2>learn all this? And I tell them, I tell them Joey, Honestly,
<v Speaker 2>I have a doctorate from MSU, and they'll always ask me,
<v Speaker 2>is that Michigan or Mississippi? And I said, no, that's
<v Speaker 2>making shit up.
<v Speaker 1>It's from it's from a lived experience. It's from being
<v Speaker 1>attacked by some of these things. But I mean, so
<v Speaker 1>what when you're using I mean, what do you use
<v Speaker 1>like permethrons, which are like the more organic stuff for
<v Speaker 1>like the.
<v Speaker 2>Or the no, no, no, I'll use the pyrithans. There's
<v Speaker 2>delta methrins and cypermethrians and whatnot that we use. And
<v Speaker 2>of course the main thing with using anything of this
<v Speaker 2>type of thing is use it according to the label,
<v Speaker 2>because those are specifically they've gotten so fine tuned with
<v Speaker 2>their chemical makeups, with their you know, one molecule removed
<v Speaker 2>to make it adult to mathrin that it's only works
<v Speaker 2>on that insect.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they're just they're chrysanthemum derivatives basically the phyto
<v Speaker 1>chemistry and chrysanthemum's asc so and it's it's cool as hell.
<v Speaker 2>You know where that came from was the like the
<v Speaker 2>Middle Ages and the Dark Ages, and people were not clean.
<v Speaker 2>Pete was it was Pete was horrible. There was no
<v Speaker 2>you know, hot water, running water, there was. People had
<v Speaker 2>a lot of parasites, a lot of license. Somehow someone
<v Speaker 2>figured out that if you bathed in chrysanthemum flour tea,
<v Speaker 2>it killed the parasites. Yeah, and you know, so of
<v Speaker 2>course modern chemistry and sciences and now we have our pyrithrins.
<v Speaker 2>So when we go in. The basic approach is when
<v Speaker 2>someone calls, which is pretty much almost every day and
<v Speaker 2>sometimes fifteen to twenty times a day here in the
<v Speaker 2>county for removal, and that's people that have been attacked.
<v Speaker 2>Just a side note, people have no idea how many
<v Speaker 2>of these beads there are. The average number of beehive
<v Speaker 2>removals in Tucson every year is a ten thousand.
<v Speaker 1>God, that's insane. There's so many these things are there, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>for a year.
<v Speaker 2>Fucking terrible, although they're unde fucking legal. And we're extremely
<v Speaker 2>rural down here. You know, this is a you could
<v Speaker 2>fit Rhode Island is at the county, but it's extremely
<v Speaker 2>wild west, extremely rural. But we'll get ten, fifteen, even
<v Speaker 2>sometimes thirty calls a day to bending. We never know
<v Speaker 2>we're on call, so we have our list of questions
<v Speaker 2>to find out what's going on. It's extremely rare that
<v Speaker 2>we'll go out to look at a situation because everything
<v Speaker 2>is two hours to three hours away and we're still
<v Speaker 2>in the county. Yeah, right, we do work in the
<v Speaker 2>state of Arizona, and we do the removal for Border Patrol,
<v Speaker 2>Share Police, Fire, Homeland Security, Customs and Border FAA and
<v Speaker 2>all that. We're the only we're the only team that
<v Speaker 2>are vetted down here by the FEDS for doing removals
<v Speaker 2>on those properties.
<v Speaker 1>But when, but when you're going? I mean so because
<v Speaker 1>I've seen you guys spray and glue in the video.
<v Speaker 1>So you guys are spraying glue, and then I guess
<v Speaker 1>to deal with the like the hive to make sure
<v Speaker 1>it comes back, do you have to inject it with
<v Speaker 1>like neonocottinids or something or like systemic. So that's what
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, As to the spray, he's the thing. I came
<v Speaker 2>up with that years ago, and it had primarily to
<v Speaker 2>do when there's comb involved, when there's honey involved, because
<v Speaker 2>if we spray our pyrriythrins around, we've got to throw
<v Speaker 2>it away.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So I got to thinking, well, I don't care if
<v Speaker 2>these bees are are alive or not. I just don't
<v Speaker 2>want them flying around, right. Yeah, So I started experimenting,
<v Speaker 2>and I started off with hairspray be kind of a
<v Speaker 2>logical thing. Well, hairspray the aerosolized liquid is way too small,
<v Speaker 2>too fine of a mist, and it's all scented.
<v Speaker 4>Yea.
<v Speaker 2>They hate that show man. They hate any kind of center.
<v Speaker 2>So so then I kind of modified the old approach
<v Speaker 2>and switched to the craft adhesuit. And it's non toxic.
<v Speaker 2>It's made to use inside your home for crafts, arts
<v Speaker 2>and crafts and shit right, it's just Elmer's in a
<v Speaker 2>can aerosolized. And so we spray that in the air,
<v Speaker 2>as you've seen on our bids to knock them out
<v Speaker 2>of the air. And we can with a half a can,
<v Speaker 2>we can knock down thirty thousand of them and they
<v Speaker 2>ants get them.
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's great. Oh so you're feeding the ants too.
<v Speaker 1>That's good. That's supporting, that's nutrient recycling. That's funny. I'm
<v Speaker 1>imagining you spraying them with hairspray and it just you know,
<v Speaker 1>it smells like you know, when you're behind like an
<v Speaker 1>old lady at the grocery store and she's just fucking doubt,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, it's just get more mad
<v Speaker 1>and now they really start coming in. Yeah, I don't
<v Speaker 1>blame them. So that was so you do that to
<v Speaker 1>basically get the honey. And then because I had this
<v Speaker 1>problem there there was a I had a fucking be
<v Speaker 1>colony living in this like dilapidated toolshit on the back
<v Speaker 1>part of my house in West Texas. And I tried everything.
<v Speaker 1>I was like injecting it with pyreethrins. That didn't. I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't hit the main hive. I'd go out there at
<v Speaker 1>night when they would be less active, and I'd have
<v Speaker 1>a hoodie on and like a face mask and a hat,
<v Speaker 1>and shit, I was not prepared enough, you know, But
<v Speaker 1>I only got stung once or twice at night and
<v Speaker 1>then but then they still be active. And so I
<v Speaker 1>went and I got systemics, which I knew, you know,
<v Speaker 1>systemic insecticides from just growing cact die because if you
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're growing cacti in a greenhouse, you
<v Speaker 1>basically need systemic insecticides because they just they didn't involve
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of the spider mites and shit that
<v Speaker 1>that they encounter in growing conditions indoors or in a
<v Speaker 1>close greenhouse. And so anyway, so I would. I then
<v Speaker 1>found this like foam spray that I could inject into
<v Speaker 1>this hole, and I think that worked, but it took
<v Speaker 1>like a good month to kill them to not see anymore,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like there were still ones going inside, but
<v Speaker 1>you got to figure every with the systemics stick around.
<v Speaker 1>So every time they're going past going walking out the door,
<v Speaker 1>they're getting some on them and it finally just knocked
<v Speaker 1>them out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the residual re encounter that a lot, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>And of course, as you've heard us say on our channel,
<v Speaker 2>this is not a DIY channel. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's really easy to fuck up. And
<v Speaker 1>there again there's no way to get away from them too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know, well they you know, they've chased our truck.
<v Speaker 2>As you know, we have a fire truck that we
<v Speaker 2>use for a be removal or brush truck, and they've
<v Speaker 2>chased it for ten miles.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I saw at one point they were in the
<v Speaker 1>truck with you guys, like a bunch of them were
<v Speaker 1>able to get in the truck when you you know,
<v Speaker 1>you guys were getting attacked and you went back into
<v Speaker 1>the truck. And then now you're filming in the truck
<v Speaker 1>and they're actually in the truck with you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that I mean, I have what do you
<v Speaker 2>think each every day?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean to some degree, that's where we get stung.
<v Speaker 4>That's our happy place, the truck. We you know, frequently
<v Speaker 4>we will leave a job. We got a bunch of
<v Speaker 4>bees in the truck and it's it's a game of
<v Speaker 4>you know, once they get in there, there they're really
<v Speaker 4>there's a point where they're not aggressive anymore and they're
<v Speaker 4>just walking around. The stings that I've taken in the truck,
<v Speaker 4>and most of my stings I have taken in the
<v Speaker 4>truck have always come from accidental, right Like I'll reach
<v Speaker 4>in my bag and there's one in my bag and
<v Speaker 4>it gets me, you know that kind of thing. But yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>we're popping. We drive down the road and I'm over
<v Speaker 4>on the side popping bees. You know.
<v Speaker 2>God, So, you know, for miles and miles and we
<v Speaker 2>still still have them on us.
<v Speaker 1>There was one there was one video you guys mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>you know you, I think it was read. I think
<v Speaker 1>it was you. You said I can smell the venom
<v Speaker 1>like they had stung so much and they were trying
<v Speaker 1>to sting through the mask. Thing you said you could
<v Speaker 1>smell or taste the venom. Is that is that Legit?
<v Speaker 2>Is that real? Oh? Yeah? Absolutely?
<v Speaker 4>You know there's a we we rank them and it's
<v Speaker 4>our own system, but we ranked them for a long time.
<v Speaker 4>It was one through five, you know, in terms of
<v Speaker 4>AGGRESSI and five being the most aggressive, one being what
<v Speaker 4>are these things were European?
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then we had to add a class six
<v Speaker 4>because we started getting into a hostility that we'd never
<v Speaker 4>seen before.
<v Speaker 2>Pretty amazing, but yeah, you know, one of the things that.
<v Speaker 4>Marks a class four class five is you you get
<v Speaker 4>into the hive and you know, you you catch a
<v Speaker 4>whiff of that.
<v Speaker 2>You start smelling venom as you're going on. That means
<v Speaker 2>and what that is?
<v Speaker 4>What that that? What that is is? That's the attack pheromone.
<v Speaker 4>And there's so much of it in the air that
<v Speaker 4>you're that were able to pick it up with our senses.
<v Speaker 2>Left.
<v Speaker 1>What does this smell?
<v Speaker 4>Like? Some people there's a banana effect in there, but
<v Speaker 4>there's other stuff. There's it's musky.
<v Speaker 2>Banana, I don't know, maybe like banana bread.
<v Speaker 1>This is so repulsive, you know what, you know what,
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you, Joey it is.
<v Speaker 4>It is one of the best smells I've ever smelled
<v Speaker 4>in my life. Oh really, It's just that I have
<v Speaker 4>this bizarre association with it. Now. When I smell it,
<v Speaker 4>I know like, oh this is edgy, and I need
<v Speaker 4>to keep my mask away from my face or I'm
<v Speaker 4>going to get it.
<v Speaker 1>On the note, he's talking about the whole sensory experience
<v Speaker 1>of being swarmed by these stinging insects. That and you
<v Speaker 1>can smell the venom and then the pheromone that they're
<v Speaker 1>using the signal to each other that let's kill this motherfucker.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's just it's a gnarly experience.
<v Speaker 4>Man.
<v Speaker 1>I can't think. I mean, I can think of worse
<v Speaker 1>ways to go, but that's going to be a bad
<v Speaker 1>way to go out.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't think I could.
<v Speaker 4>It's a painful thing. I mean, did you see that
<v Speaker 4>video of those hikers that we just encountered?
<v Speaker 1>No tell us about that? What happened here?
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. So it was last week and we get
<v Speaker 2>a call. We're over in a place called the Sunny
<v Speaker 2>Zona and you know, coaching count is huge, So we
<v Speaker 2>get a call. We're headed to another job and we
<v Speaker 2>get a call for the Sheriff's Department CCSO, and they said,
<v Speaker 2>we have a stinging incident and on Stockton Hill, And
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the hell? Is Stockton Hill. I've been
<v Speaker 2>here fifty years. I know you were. You know, there's
<v Speaker 2>many many mountains here and all that. So it's over
<v Speaker 2>by Tombstone and there's a road called Gleason Road. Well,
<v Speaker 2>these three professional hikers, they're you know, in their fifties,
<v Speaker 2>but they're members of a hiking club and they're they
<v Speaker 2>know what they're doing. And they were back about two
<v Speaker 2>miles on this four by only road. That took what
<v Speaker 2>a hoosh, about an hour for them to drive back down.
<v Speaker 1>God, and then's a fucking terrible man. That's my night, right,
<v Speaker 1>it gets much you just run in the Well.
<v Speaker 2>Then they were on top of this mountain, you know,
<v Speaker 2>about a forty five minute walk up this mountain. So
<v Speaker 2>I go into my you know, no fun mode. I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>give me the name and phone number of the person
<v Speaker 2>that called you, who's getting attacked. Do we have any
<v Speaker 2>Sheriff's deputies on route? If so, which one? And I
<v Speaker 2>need that number? About the fire departments? Do we have
<v Speaker 2>any empts on route? Let's get those rolling. And do
<v Speaker 2>you know what the where this is? She said, well,
<v Speaker 2>it's at mile mark or so and so and Gleason Road.
<v Speaker 2>So we flip on the lights on the fire truck
<v Speaker 2>and race get racing over there. It takes us, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, half an hour to get there. And so
<v Speaker 2>in that time I'm on the phone with the stinging
<v Speaker 2>victim as they're walking down the mountain while they're getting
<v Speaker 2>at that, while they're getting at that, and of course
<v Speaker 2>they're freaking out, and I'm telling them, you've got, you know,
<v Speaker 2>remain as calm as possible while moving as quickly as possible,
<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of the hills and mountains out
<v Speaker 2>here are like walking on boulders or bowling balls or
<v Speaker 2>marbles in the s furry very hard, and there's there's
<v Speaker 2>tacked i every goddamn play, some snakes and everything else
<v Speaker 2>along with the killer bees. So one guy's getting severely attacked,
<v Speaker 2>and so I said, can you see your truck yet?
<v Speaker 2>And or you know, what do you have? Do you
<v Speaker 2>have a side by side? Because if you have a
<v Speaker 2>side by side, they were open there's no cab on them,
<v Speaker 2>and that's really dangerous that I don't think anyone would
<v Speaker 2>have lived if they did not have their enclosed jeep.
<v Speaker 2>So I talked to him and I was like, he said, okay, now,
<v Speaker 2>I can see the jeep. I said, well, let's get
<v Speaker 2>everybody down there and look for benadrul in your jeep.
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a first aid kit? Yes, okay, we'll
<v Speaker 2>dig around see if you have any benadrul and get
<v Speaker 2>heading out that road. I'm going to get off with
<v Speaker 2>you now so you can get everybody down into the jeep.
<v Speaker 2>And then I got on the horn with the sheriff's deputy,
<v Speaker 2>and then I got on the horn with the EMTs.
<v Speaker 2>And it's very remote out here, and people that have
<v Speaker 2>lived here don't know every damn driveway, of course, and
<v Speaker 2>so we had to find the gate that these guys
<v Speaker 2>went in, and we happened to arrive at the gate
<v Speaker 2>at the same time that the victims made it out
<v Speaker 2>with their jeep, and so they didn't want to be filmed,
<v Speaker 2>but we did film after that when Hosh and I
<v Speaker 2>are sitting in the fire truck after as they were
<v Speaker 2>getting ready to haul the one guy away in the ambulance,
<v Speaker 2>and he post lost, who did you lose? Count out
<v Speaker 2>on one side of his head, pulling stingers up.
<v Speaker 4>Well between between Reed and I, we we scraped fifty
<v Speaker 4>stingers out of his head. God, and I think I
<v Speaker 4>mean they were on his eyelids. This poor guy, they were.
<v Speaker 2>On his eyelids.
<v Speaker 1>He was just your he was what he was like,
<v Speaker 1>fifty something?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that track, well, he took over. He probably took
<v Speaker 2>over one hundred. Oh yeah, no, but he's talking about
<v Speaker 2>his age. The guy's age. Oh yeah, yeah, but over
<v Speaker 2>but over fifty stings.
<v Speaker 1>God, damn man, that's that's miserable.
<v Speaker 2>And they hold on that DMT.
<v Speaker 4>He showed up before we could finish I he had
<v Speaker 4>him all on his scalp. He must have had one
<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty stingers on his head.
<v Speaker 1>They both lived, though, Did they both live?
<v Speaker 2>We don't. We honestly don't know. So once she passed, Once.
<v Speaker 4>She passed, we'd love to know. We'd love to know
<v Speaker 4>what happened once you passed these guys off to the authorities.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't, Yeah, I mean we're not we're
<v Speaker 2>not family, so we can't call the hospital and ask him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, damn damn.
<v Speaker 2>The other two guys had taken I don't know about
<v Speaker 2>they said just a few stings. We knew they took
<v Speaker 2>twenty each or more, and so we we gave him
<v Speaker 2>Ben a drill and the empt showed up, and I
<v Speaker 2>conferred with one of the emptis and handed the the
<v Speaker 2>guy that was in shock. He was going into shock
<v Speaker 2>pretty bad, hadding him off and he wasn't having trouble
<v Speaker 2>breathing at that point, but they got him strapped into
<v Speaker 2>a gurney, and then the sheriff's deputy showed up, and
<v Speaker 2>I think even a guy from the department bag. There
<v Speaker 2>were a bunch of authorities there because this is a
<v Speaker 2>These are serious, serious events. Of course right now, we
<v Speaker 2>asked them. Of course, while we're administering, we're trying to
<v Speaker 2>talk him down, trying to get him calm, well, get
<v Speaker 2>that heart rate down. We asked him what was going on?
<v Speaker 2>How did these bees attack? Well, that's that's a really
<v Speaker 2>strange one because they don't know. So they're walking down
<v Speaker 2>this mountain and the one guy that got attacked the
<v Speaker 2>work at a bum bum line.
<v Speaker 1>That's fucked.
<v Speaker 2>That's way.
<v Speaker 1>You're just fucking going for a hike and you just
<v Speaker 1>start getting attacked by killer bees. I mean it's funny
<v Speaker 1>in this really macabre way, like it's just you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like what the fuck man?
<v Speaker 2>Really? Yeah, and out of the blue, out of the blue,
<v Speaker 2>So we you know, did they come out of a cave,
<v Speaker 2>did they come out from under a rock hall crapping?
<v Speaker 2>They had no idea. They just started getting attacked and
<v Speaker 2>so they To this day, we don't know where the
<v Speaker 2>bees came from. And it reminded me of an instance
<v Speaker 2>we had, I think it was last spring or a
<v Speaker 2>year ago last spring, where Bisbee Fire Department calls us up.
<v Speaker 2>We get calls from first responders all the time. Then
<v Speaker 2>they're either we're en route to a stinging incident. What
<v Speaker 2>do we do when we get there? Or can you
<v Speaker 2>meet us there please? Right, So we get a call
<v Speaker 2>eight am Sunday morning from Bisbee Fire Department and they said,
<v Speaker 2>we have a stinging incident and I said, okay, give
<v Speaker 2>me the contact, named address, and phone number. They said
<v Speaker 2>it's out in front of the Bisbee Grand Barn Hotel
<v Speaker 2>on Main Street in Bisbee. And I went, what the
<v Speaker 2>what the hell? How many victims? Four people stung? Okay, great,
<v Speaker 2>So we show up down there's just right down town Bisbee.
<v Speaker 2>Here town five five thousand people, very small, break, quaint
<v Speaker 2>and all that shit, and we block off Main Street.
<v Speaker 2>It's eight am Sunday morning, eight thirty by then, and
<v Speaker 2>we're looking. We went all over looking for bees coming
<v Speaker 2>and going out of any building. So I ended up
<v Speaker 2>talking to one of the victims and I said, what
<v Speaker 2>did they come out of? Which building? I come out of?
<v Speaker 2>And I was who we were talking to. But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>the gist of it was, it was a cloud of bees,
<v Speaker 2>a swarm flying up main Street that beard off and
<v Speaker 2>attacked these guys n provoked the fuck. You know?
<v Speaker 1>I heard that once. I was in the Mohave Desert,
<v Speaker 1>because I did. I've done a lot of botany in
<v Speaker 1>the deserts from West Texas all the way to Mohave
<v Speaker 1>and Colorado Desert, Sonoranda, And I remember, god, I was
<v Speaker 1>in the Old Woman Mountains. This was fucking terrifying. As
<v Speaker 1>of a friend, and we may or may not have
<v Speaker 1>been on mushrooms, I can't remember, but either way, I heard,
<v Speaker 1>I heard the sward this, We heard this swarm. No,
<v Speaker 1>we were in I think we were in the Chuck Wallace. Yeah, God,
<v Speaker 1>it was terrifying.
<v Speaker 4>Man.
<v Speaker 1>We heard this swarm moving above us and there's no
<v Speaker 1>other Yeah, and there's no other insect in the desert
<v Speaker 1>that would move it, that that would travel in that density.
<v Speaker 1>Like you're not gonna you're not. There's no native bees
<v Speaker 1>that do that, there's no flies. It was terrifying and
<v Speaker 1>and I just remember being able to hear it from
<v Speaker 1>that high above, and me and my friend we both
<v Speaker 1>looked at each other like, holy shit, we just got
<v Speaker 1>got down. And I guess they were just moving relocating something.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the only well, the first time I ever
<v Speaker 1>got attacked, I was with Martin Terry, who's a you know,
<v Speaker 1>well known Payote researcher. He was one of the only
<v Speaker 1>people to really do like genetic studies on different the
<v Speaker 1>populations of Payote and got a DA licensed to study it.
<v Speaker 1>He was at Sewel Ross University in West Texas and
<v Speaker 1>he's a good guy, a friend of mine, good botanist too.
<v Speaker 1>And we were at his this property has out there
<v Speaker 1>where there's all these cool cac diye, the living rock,
<v Speaker 1>cack gye and okatillo everywhere, and we were on this
<v Speaker 1>hill and and we started I heard the hive, and
<v Speaker 1>the minute I heard it, I was like, oh shit,
<v Speaker 1>but it was still like sixty feet away, and then
<v Speaker 1>we started getting attacked, you know. And he's kind of
<v Speaker 1>he's older. I think he's like seventy eight now or something.
<v Speaker 1>But he's really old, can't walk that well. And it
<v Speaker 1>was me, him and another guy and so we're trying
<v Speaker 1>to like get help him come down this talus slope
<v Speaker 1>while we're getting attacked by bees. They hadn't mobbed up
<v Speaker 1>on us fully yet. You know, you would get one
<v Speaker 1>and then they mark you and then you get another one.
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't like a massive swarm yet, but it
<v Speaker 1>was enough, you know that that it sucked. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and we still luckily we were on like a quarter
<v Speaker 1>mile from the car, but you know, I got stung
<v Speaker 1>like two or three times and it was, Yeah, it
<v Speaker 1>was just it's awful. It's and then you're gonna, you know,
<v Speaker 1>you run the risk of really hurting yourself coming down
<v Speaker 1>this slope because it's all this unstable rock with nothing
<v Speaker 1>to hold on to.
<v Speaker 2>That that's what you guys had to deal with.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I can't imagine that. You know, when you're
<v Speaker 1>like a mile or two from any kind of cover whatsoever,
<v Speaker 1>what do you do? I mean, can they sting? They
<v Speaker 1>can sting through most.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah, no, you can't mess around with anything like that.
<v Speaker 4>You just got to keep moving to just go go go.
<v Speaker 4>You got to you got to put as much space
<v Speaker 4>between you and and that activity as you can straight line.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and don't don't jump into water. They once
<v Speaker 2>you're they go for they initially they go for the
<v Speaker 2>CO two coming out of your nose and mouth. And
<v Speaker 2>so if you jump into water, about ninety five percent
<v Speaker 2>of people that jump into water to escape and attack
<v Speaker 2>end up dying because every time you come up to breathe,
<v Speaker 2>or you can try to swim, if you're even a swimmer.
<v Speaker 2>I one guy in Texas that grew up on a
<v Speaker 2>lake there, and he'll come for you. And he swam
<v Speaker 2>underwater as far as he could, but they follow the
<v Speaker 2>bubbles and he was lucky that he led. But they yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we should and they so they'll do, and they will
<v Speaker 2>wait around Joey for hours.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you said so. When you said that they tracked
<v Speaker 1>your truck ten miles, could you explain tell everybody what
<v Speaker 1>happened that day?
<v Speaker 2>Where were you?
<v Speaker 1>How did this fucking happen? Was it really ten miles?
<v Speaker 1>What happened?
<v Speaker 2>Well, the most recent was out at pickets Pricks. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they were on us for a long There are for
<v Speaker 2>six miles with that one. So pickets pricks. It's one
<v Speaker 2>of our one of our removed we named it. DEACU
<v Speaker 2>of the world was picket road and we're assholes, so
<v Speaker 2>we called it pickets bricks.
<v Speaker 1>Is there creative with your naming? I will certainly give
<v Speaker 1>you that that's a lot of alliteration.
<v Speaker 2>We should do more rhyming and less alliteration. Yeah, less
<v Speaker 2>of literation, Oh my god. So so we we have
<v Speaker 2>to use the jackhammer to get the block out from
<v Speaker 2>underneath this mobile. And these these are so man, there
<v Speaker 2>were Class six, absolutely nuclear, and so you know, they're
<v Speaker 2>dripping venom on us. And where the truck is always
<v Speaker 2>full of venom, they're dripping venom everywhere. I've seen the
<v Speaker 2>air so saturated with attack pheromone that they're they're singing
<v Speaker 2>birds flying overhead telephone poles and tires on trucks.
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say really quick, not that digressed was,
<v Speaker 1>but because in your videos you'll say like they'll and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the times you're joking. You're like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>you'll see a cowsk You're like, oh, look they killed
<v Speaker 1>the cow. But then it got me think, which they didn't,
<v Speaker 1>you're just joking, But then it got me thinking, well, wait,
<v Speaker 1>do they actually go for other animals? They must it's
<v Speaker 1>hell yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah. Every week in this county they kill
<v Speaker 2>a dog over sort of good.
<v Speaker 1>So these so there's like there's documented cases where you've
<v Speaker 1>seen them kill things that are I.
<v Speaker 2>Watched one hive kill a one thousand pound hog at
<v Speaker 2>one time. M god, yeah we got there.
<v Speaker 4>There was video footage of us dragging dead dogs, dead
<v Speaker 4>dogs out of somebody's yards and uh and YouTube took
<v Speaker 4>it down.
<v Speaker 2>You know they're not going to.
<v Speaker 4>Shoot, but yeah we dogs man dogs all the time,
<v Speaker 4>killed every year.
<v Speaker 2>And chickens, oh my god, they kill herds of chickens
<v Speaker 2>all the time down here.
<v Speaker 1>It's so insane. I mean, it's just so nuts that
<v Speaker 1>this is like it's got to stop at some point,
<v Speaker 1>Like there's got to be something to check this, you know,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's verroamites or something. But but this is funny
<v Speaker 1>because I'm looking at I'm looking at the face Crook page.
<v Speaker 1>I call it face Crook because it steals people's time
<v Speaker 1>and energy. But there's a review you guys got from Facebook.
<v Speaker 1>You guys, you guys got a review from this woman.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to mention her name. She's probably this,
<v Speaker 1>I've got a thing against feral cats. She's probably the
<v Speaker 1>same kind of person that because they kill all the
<v Speaker 1>cool lizards and shit that I want in my yard. Whatever,
<v Speaker 1>But so they're probably the same kind of caliber of person.
<v Speaker 1>And she says, how could you ask someone to be
<v Speaker 1>recommended when all he wants to do is kill off
<v Speaker 1>the bees? You know, not a stupid And then she's
<v Speaker 1>got I mean, there's whatever, you know, she's misspelled words.
<v Speaker 1>No shade to her. She probably doesn't get out much.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, he needs to be shut down and
<v Speaker 1>never be allowed to make TikTok videos. I mean, just
<v Speaker 1>you can't even take people like this seriously. But it's
<v Speaker 1>crazy that. I mean, if this woman knew that these
<v Speaker 1>things are killing dogs and livestock, you know, would it
<v Speaker 1>change her mind? Do you think? I just wonder, like
<v Speaker 1>how you'd.
<v Speaker 2>Be surprised, you'd be surprised. How you know that this
<v Speaker 2>is part of it.
<v Speaker 4>It's a mind virus and we won't we don't need
<v Speaker 4>to say which one. But it's a sickness. It's a
<v Speaker 4>mental illness. It's like a Stockholm syndrome where it's like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>we know they kill people. Pets, livestock, we we but
<v Speaker 4>they pollinate, and our angle is, yeah, they're bad for
<v Speaker 4>the environment. They kill with native bees for resources, the
<v Speaker 4>inbreeding these people.
<v Speaker 1>But let's be on these people probably don't even know
<v Speaker 1>what a native bee is. They don't know what that
<v Speaker 1>even means. I mean, this is the problem. See, at
<v Speaker 1>least with the case of a feral cat. People it's
<v Speaker 1>probably it's like, oh, it's toxic pleasmos. It's probably is
<v Speaker 1>they have a brain pa, that's why they're you know,
<v Speaker 1>they're probably cutting up kids to feed to the feral
<v Speaker 1>cats around them, you know, right, who knows? I mean,
<v Speaker 1>like the declining bird populations, declining reptile populations. Like we've
<v Speaker 1>got studies showing cats are you know, they're great indoor pets.
<v Speaker 1>When you let them loose, they can really do damage.
<v Speaker 1>Thank god people don't do that with dogs. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing. You get these just these virulent people.
<v Speaker 1>And I just can't imagine when you've got an animal
<v Speaker 1>that swarms and kills people, that that someone's like leave
<v Speaker 1>it alone, you know, Like, don't you know that?
<v Speaker 2>What I always compare it to is when people say
<v Speaker 2>save the beads Okay, which ones you'll be like saying,
<v Speaker 2>save the snakes, I'm gonna raise pythons and let them
<v Speaker 2>go in the Everglades because they're snakes.
<v Speaker 1>Or save the cows. But it's that it's a cow that, like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, gores people. It's like a very aggressive.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, or like the wild
<v Speaker 2>hogs in Texas where you are Diesel Friday, they're too horrible.
<v Speaker 2>Save the pigs. I'm going to raise pigs just because
<v Speaker 2>the pigs right and let them go, or the car
<v Speaker 2>any invasive species. That's why I summed it up with
<v Speaker 2>an evasive species has never benefited the native environment they've invaded.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would the hogs especially, I mean those things
<v Speaker 1>are we trapped. We've killed like eight that are we
<v Speaker 1>have a conservation property and I killed the last one
<v Speaker 1>I shot. I shot it with an AR fifteen. I
<v Speaker 1>shot it five times before it went down on the head.
<v Speaker 2>The deadly they're tough as nails there.
<v Speaker 1>And they breed like roaches too. They and they destroy everything.
<v Speaker 1>Like we've had reductions like ninety five percent and some
<v Speaker 1>of the species of cacti rare cacti that we have
<v Speaker 1>on our property and other the nurse plants for them
<v Speaker 1>and everything, you know, and then other animals depend on
<v Speaker 1>those and now they're not there anymore because these pigs
<v Speaker 1>just right.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, that's why, that's why I call these
<v Speaker 2>Africanized honey bees, these killer bees, the most successful invasive creature.
<v Speaker 2>Yet they're invasive, and they're the most successful because they
<v Speaker 2>are at the level the pollinators, are at the ground
<v Speaker 2>level of all food chain and they are not localized.
<v Speaker 2>Your pigs are localized. There that the anacondas in the Everglades,
<v Speaker 2>the lion fish in the Caribbean, the buffalo grass in
<v Speaker 2>the Southwest, buffalograss doesn't grow in Wisconsin, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>eels and the Mississippi, et cetera. No, these goddamn bees
<v Speaker 2>are everywhere and taking over.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't seem to be going anywhere. And that's
<v Speaker 1>the thing I mean, like with any invasive species, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>that's the province. I think. What's weird about this case
<v Speaker 1>is that these these because most invasive species, I'll say,
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, this species like eucalyptus invasive in California,
<v Speaker 1>but very important in Australia, and you know, other buffalo grass,
<v Speaker 1>very important in Kenya where it's native, where it evolved
<v Speaker 1>with large megafauna that grays on it. But you know
<v Speaker 1>in Arizona and we get that down here too, in
<v Speaker 1>South Texas. It's horrible. It's smothering biodiversity. But with these,
<v Speaker 1>with the scoot, a lot of hybrids, with the Africanized beest,
<v Speaker 1>you can't really say that because they don't occur in
<v Speaker 1>nature anywhere. It's it's literally a hybrid. It was bread,
<v Speaker 1>it was produced by people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're invasive to planet Earth.
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah. So it's it's kind of like this monster
<v Speaker 1>that's been created. Not to sound too hyperbolic, but it
<v Speaker 1>mind of it.
<v Speaker 4>But you guys, they've killed they've killed thousands of people.
<v Speaker 4>But you guys get literally as a monster.
<v Speaker 1>You've gotten a lot of hate for this though, Like you,
<v Speaker 1>you get hate online from people that just don't know
<v Speaker 1>any better.
<v Speaker 2>We love it, We love it.
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. That's so crazy.
<v Speaker 2>I used to really bother me, and now I look
<v Speaker 2>for it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of driven towards
<v Speaker 1>conflict too.
<v Speaker 2>I get a little chubby with every comment.
<v Speaker 1>I've kind of driven towards kin I just you know,
<v Speaker 1>my hope is that people, you know, as time goes on,
<v Speaker 1>people will learn and they learn like, oh, these things
<v Speaker 1>kind of suck, they're not, you know. And also we
<v Speaker 1>need to cherish our native pollinators and our native insects
<v Speaker 1>because those are what evolved here and have connections to
<v Speaker 1>all the plants and all the other cool things that
<v Speaker 1>live out here.
<v Speaker 4>So I think you're one hundred percent right, Joey, But
<v Speaker 4>I honestly, as a realist, I don't have a lot
<v Speaker 4>of confidence that people are going to get it.
<v Speaker 2>And I'll and I'll tell you why.
<v Speaker 4>Look at look at the other be videos that are
<v Speaker 4>out there, you know, the other the other you know,
<v Speaker 4>content creators that are doing and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>What comes to mind is mister and Missus b Rescue.
<v Speaker 2>That's one.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's like it's like fluffy videos like save the bees.
<v Speaker 4>Well, she they're pretty awesome, they're pretty cool, but their
<v Speaker 4>realities off the chain. But it's relocation. It's all hive relocation.
<v Speaker 4>And I've heard them about a lot of misinformation.
<v Speaker 1>You know what you could say, in our qualities nice,
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather have two grizzled, gnarled bastards wearing bee suits
<v Speaker 1>climbing into a fifth wheel trailer and ripping shit out.
<v Speaker 2>We resemble that.
<v Speaker 1>That's my style. I don't want that wholesome Hallmark shit.
<v Speaker 1>I want you guys. I want people who are going
<v Speaker 1>to be fucking cursing people I can relate to.
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, this is real life. We ain't acting.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 2>People ask us, my god, your content's so amazing? How
<v Speaker 2>do you do it? So turn the camera and I'll
<v Speaker 2>start swearing at bees.
<v Speaker 1>Well wait, wait, so this is it's the same thing
<v Speaker 1>I do with plants, so except I'm really excited. But
<v Speaker 1>so what do you guys when you guys got chased?
<v Speaker 1>Can you can you break that down for how that happen?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, So we're in so and this has happened
<v Speaker 2>more than once where I mean, it happens all the time.
<v Speaker 2>Actually maybe not for six miles or ten miles, but
<v Speaker 2>you know a mile or something that happens all the time.
<v Speaker 2>So there's so much pheromone. We're we're soaking pheromone. And
<v Speaker 2>the bees. We have seen hives that will remnant bees.
<v Speaker 2>So we talk about remnant bees all the time. Which
<v Speaker 2>are the bees left over from any removal? Now it's
<v Speaker 2>like hurting cats you're not going to get all of them.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, and I hide, and all of these
<v Speaker 2>Africanized bees has one hundred thousands of goddamn things in it.
<v Speaker 2>And so you know you've got you kill off eighty
<v Speaker 2>percent of them. Great, you're still have twenty thousand bees
<v Speaker 2>mad in the air looking for a fight. And so
<v Speaker 2>we've seen them stay mad for up to two weeks
<v Speaker 2>and I'm talking bouncing off the windshield mad days later. Well,
<v Speaker 2>there we go. We're and I tell this to all
<v Speaker 2>of our customers. They say, my god, they're so vicious
<v Speaker 2>out there. How long am I going to have to
<v Speaker 2>wait inside my house? And of course I always jokingly
<v Speaker 2>say only two to three months. No, I'm just okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm fucking with them anyway. I tell them we are
<v Speaker 2>the enemy. We smell like the enemy. Our suits are
<v Speaker 2>saturated with attack pheromone. Maybe we've been stung, so we're
<v Speaker 2>it's in our bloodstream, and they drip venom all over
<v Speaker 2>the truck and everything. When we leave within twenty minutes
<v Speaker 2>to an hour, it's gonna calm down a lot because
<v Speaker 2>that attack pheromone is going to be gone. These bees
<v Speaker 2>turn into white blood cells when the attack Pheromone is released.
<v Speaker 2>And so once that attack, Pheromone is blown away by
<v Speaker 2>the wind and we're we're no longer there. They're gonna
<v Speaker 2>calm down a lot. Well, there's always a shitload of
<v Speaker 2>them that will chase our trunck down. You know, a
<v Speaker 2>lot of our roads are ten, five, ten, and fifteen
<v Speaker 2>mile an hour roads because it's all dirt out here.
<v Speaker 2>It's all the wild West, and it's all washboard and
<v Speaker 2>it's painting the ass. So if we're on a highway
<v Speaker 2>then we can pretty much outrun. But fifteen miles an
<v Speaker 2>hour to none for them. So we will leave and
<v Speaker 2>many customers will say, yeah, there was a cloud of
<v Speaker 2>bees chasing your truck when you left.
<v Speaker 1>God damn, that's crazy. Man, that's good. So where do
<v Speaker 1>they do when they finally give up and disperse, because
<v Speaker 1>they need a queen to form a new high So
<v Speaker 1>the remnant.
<v Speaker 2>Bee and a good, really good point to bring up,
<v Speaker 2>because remnant bees people, Oh my god, people get it
<v Speaker 2>on our asses. Oh you're just letting them all go
<v Speaker 2>so they can go start another high of the mirrorhad
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Oh the big emergency is do anyway? Fuck,
<v Speaker 2>it's just job security. So anyway, we see a hive
<v Speaker 2>as an organism much like ourselves, with each bee being
<v Speaker 2>a cell and the queen being the heart in the brain.
<v Speaker 2>And so we always tell people that any of the
<v Speaker 2>remnant bees that are left over, I mean, we never
<v Speaker 2>see a queen bee. We don't give a shit. He
<v Speaker 2>is just like your heart. And if your heart is
<v Speaker 2>outside of your body, without your body, it cannot start
<v Speaker 2>another body, it cannot live. So the same thing with
<v Speaker 2>the queen bees. So we always tell people the remnant
<v Speaker 2>bees are like an amputated limb. If your finger gets
<v Speaker 2>locked off, you're gonna be fine. Your finger's not right,
<v Speaker 2>So the analogy runs through. Most people do not realize
<v Speaker 2>that every hive is an enemy of every other hive.
<v Speaker 2>The only reason they visit each other is to steal honey.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so they're all fighting with each other too.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly fact. In fact, they will take over. They're very
<v Speaker 2>keen to take over other hives. They're vikings. They're total
<v Speaker 2>vikings and hoarders.
<v Speaker 1>With to queen. They can't start a new hive, right so,
<v Speaker 1>but some of them larva, No.
<v Speaker 2>They can't, so it will be same analogy. If your
<v Speaker 2>fingers lopped off, all right, And so you know, you've
<v Speaker 2>got eighty percent of your If your hand is lopped
<v Speaker 2>off or your arm, you're gonna be fine. Your arm,
<v Speaker 2>won't you still have? Your arm is twenty percent of
<v Speaker 2>your body. Well, if twenty percent of the bees are
<v Speaker 2>left over after a removal, they can't go start a
<v Speaker 2>new hive unless there's larva of the body.
<v Speaker 1>Right, unless there's larva in one of them hatches, and
<v Speaker 1>then it's a queen.
<v Speaker 2>Well, but that's not going to happen without the hive.
<v Speaker 2>We destroyed their trailer poper all right, Yeah, you take
<v Speaker 2>them out there? Yeah, we take all them is where
<v Speaker 2>the larva would be, Yeah, exactly, they don't carrying with them,
<v Speaker 2>you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And also there's more on top of that of course.
<v Speaker 2>To finish up that thought though, can those remnant bees
<v Speaker 2>go join another hive? Your finger, if it's lopped off,
<v Speaker 2>cannot go join another human. I don't care how much
<v Speaker 2>stuck type you use. Yeah, okay, so they will die
<v Speaker 2>off over the coming days. Now. People always ask if
<v Speaker 2>a queen, if you go into a hive and kill
<v Speaker 2>a queen, just the queen, will that hive die? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>it will unless she has laid a fertilized egg. So
<v Speaker 2>this is fascinating shoes, just like sci fi. There are
<v Speaker 2>three types of bees in the hive. There's the queen,
<v Speaker 2>the worker bees, and the drones. Now the drones are
<v Speaker 2>the males, and they you never see one. They're big
<v Speaker 2>fat couch potatoes. They can't even feed themselves. They go
<v Speaker 2>from hide to hive. They're the only bees that can
<v Speaker 2>visit other hives. They'll walk in, get fed, and go
<v Speaker 2>out and they can't even sting. Their rear ms are
<v Speaker 2>only good for one thing. That's the mating life of bees.
<v Speaker 2>That's a whole other program. All't do later. So the
<v Speaker 2>worker bees are the ones that they call them that
<v Speaker 2>for a reason. They're the ones that do all the work.
<v Speaker 2>They go collect the nectar, they defend the hive, they
<v Speaker 2>do everything. And these are female, well they're undeveloped females.
<v Speaker 2>They're like repubescent, angry teens. Okay, all right, So the
<v Speaker 2>worker bees can lay eggs, but they can only lay
<v Speaker 2>unfertilized eggs. So you'd think, well, so what why what's
<v Speaker 2>an unfertilized egg?
<v Speaker 3>Right?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, chicken lay's a nonfertilized egg. You
<v Speaker 2>got an omelet. You ain't got a chicken, right, Well, No,
<v Speaker 2>males are born from unfertilized eggs. Drones are born from
<v Speaker 2>unfertilized eggs. So the queen bee is the only one
<v Speaker 2>that is able to lay either or fertilized or unfertilized.
<v Speaker 2>So if she lays unfertilized eggs, males are born. This
<v Speaker 2>is at her discretion. If she lays fertilized eggs, females
<v Speaker 2>are born. And the only difference between a worker bee
<v Speaker 2>and a queen bee is what they're fed during pewpation.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Okay, So a worker bee and a queen
<v Speaker 2>bee are fed royal jelly for their first week of pepation,
<v Speaker 2>and the queen bee is fed royal jelly throughout the
<v Speaker 2>rest of her pubation about three weeks something like that,
<v Speaker 2>and the worker bees are switched from royal jelly to honey.
<v Speaker 2>It stems the growth.
<v Speaker 1>So worker bees could any of those could technically turn
<v Speaker 1>into a queen.
<v Speaker 2>No, because they have not been fed royal jelly throughout
<v Speaker 2>their pupation.
<v Speaker 4>So you know those queens, they show up inside special
<v Speaker 4>cells too, because she's bigger. She's bigger, right, so you
<v Speaker 4>just can't. It doesn't work everywhere. You got to have
<v Speaker 4>that queen cell in place. You got to have that larvae,
<v Speaker 4>and it's got to be consistently fed that royal jelly.
<v Speaker 2>Pre planned is what it is.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So if you get the hive and you get
<v Speaker 1>the queen, it's over for them. They might survive for
<v Speaker 1>a little while.
<v Speaker 2>We get the hive and we knocked down, you know,
<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of them, ninety percent of them. Even if
<v Speaker 2>there's a queen life, that doesn't make any difference because
<v Speaker 2>she cannot continue you on without the rest of the body.
<v Speaker 2>So it goes back to that analogy of she is
<v Speaker 2>the heart and soul of the matter. If your heart
<v Speaker 2>is removed, okay, if you're if you get into a
<v Speaker 2>bad accident and all this left is your heart and
<v Speaker 2>your arm, it can't start a new body.
<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, okay, okay, So what so like with what
<v Speaker 1>was it the plead the fifth video? This is an
<v Speaker 1>old trailer and did you guys get called back to that?
<v Speaker 1>What happened with this?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I would plead the fifth again? And so
<v Speaker 2>this is why we guarantee our work for two years.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you kill a hive and it comes back
<v Speaker 1>to the same spot within two years. You'll go back
<v Speaker 1>there for free.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, well, no, dead things can't come back.
<v Speaker 4>It's a different dog, it's a it's a reinfestation.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, from a different column of a different colony.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, you know that situation was such that it was
<v Speaker 4>real convoluted. We couldn't get all the honeycomb out on
<v Speaker 4>first pass. There were a few things going on, and
<v Speaker 4>so it was basically and we didn't spray the automotive
<v Speaker 4>undercoating in there because it was a housing for a Wait,
<v Speaker 4>let's set.
<v Speaker 2>It up for people.
<v Speaker 1>Let's set it up. Let's set it up for listeners.
<v Speaker 1>Full description. It's like a breaking bad style trailer out
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the desert.
<v Speaker 2>And you guys got who called you wastines? With the
<v Speaker 2>way those bees were moving, I'd say there was.
<v Speaker 1>I've been the Arizona, I know what it's like that.
<v Speaker 1>So what was what was who called you?
<v Speaker 2>It was the owner or it's always the owner that
<v Speaker 2>calls us, whether it's the BLM or the Feds of
<v Speaker 2>the state, or the rancher or whoever. So this guy
<v Speaker 2>had this fifth wheel that he was going to gut
<v Speaker 2>and turn into a I don't know, storage thing or
<v Speaker 2>whatever the hell it was. And he didn't get around
<v Speaker 2>to it, of course, and so these bees moved in
<v Speaker 2>through the It was an old pos fifth wheel trailer,
<v Speaker 2>and the bees moved in where the electrical cord would
<v Speaker 2>go in. You know, you pull out the electrical cord
<v Speaker 2>plug in your shore power or whatever. So the bees
<v Speaker 2>moved into the hole and in where the inverter is
<v Speaker 2>below the refrigerator. They built a massive hive and they
<v Speaker 2>had shown aggression, but not like when we showed up.
<v Speaker 2>And for some reason they just the The owner sat
<v Speaker 2>in his vehicle and all of a sudden, the bees
<v Speaker 2>just decided they didn't like anything. We never know about
<v Speaker 2>the timing of all. This didn't have anything to do
<v Speaker 2>with us, but they completely lit up the ocean. I
<v Speaker 2>had to drive I think it was like two miles
<v Speaker 2>away to get our suits on him. Oh so you didn't.
<v Speaker 1>You didn't roll up with your suits on. You were
<v Speaker 1>just drolling up to check it out at first.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, we're going to drive up and get our
<v Speaker 2>suits on and start the cameras and have a nice
<v Speaker 2>little video and a little chat with it. All of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, they're like.
<v Speaker 4>Whether the owner backed his car in in front of
<v Speaker 4>their front door of the flight path, and so he
<v Speaker 4>was in their flight path and they were already pissy
<v Speaker 4>and then and then he got out and then they
<v Speaker 4>chased him off.
<v Speaker 2>He just based on him. Yeah, they stung me. And
<v Speaker 2>we had to drive down the road to put our
<v Speaker 2>suits on.
<v Speaker 4>So that's a frequent theme where where we put the
<v Speaker 4>suits on before arriving at the scene and also have
<v Speaker 4>to drive off after quite a way is sometimes up
<v Speaker 4>to ten miles away, or just wear the suit all.
<v Speaker 2>The way home, you know.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, then then we'll get out, we take the
<v Speaker 4>suit off. But I can't tell you how many times
<v Speaker 4>we pull away from a hive, get out, try to
<v Speaker 4>take the suit off, and we get attacked again.
<v Speaker 2>I got to get back in.
<v Speaker 4>We'll go a little farther down the road, get out there.
<v Speaker 4>We're getting attacked again. We're not out of the range yet.
<v Speaker 1>The common if this is just I just I like
<v Speaker 1>to think about masochistic thoughts sometimes sometimes I'll think about
<v Speaker 1>if I, you know, when I get sent the hell,
<v Speaker 1>what would it look like? You know, they'll be crape
<v Speaker 1>myrtles everywhere and.
<v Speaker 2>We put them there.
<v Speaker 1>Pat Poker in the ass, Michael Bolton playing on the
<v Speaker 1>loud speaker.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, yeah nice right right, nice lawns everywhere horrible you know,
<v Speaker 1>just CEV as well well Fargo landscape.
<v Speaker 4>No hell.
<v Speaker 1>But so this is so I got a masochistic mind.
<v Speaker 1>If you had a choice between getting tagged by a
<v Speaker 1>Western diamondback, but you can go to you're only twenty
<v Speaker 1>minutes from the hospital, versus getting attacked by bees and
<v Speaker 1>you're like twenty minutes from the trailhead, what would you
<v Speaker 1>you got to pick one of them? What would you pick?
<v Speaker 2>Pineapple up the ash?
<v Speaker 1>No, seriously, you think it's closed.
<v Speaker 2>I think i'd take the bees. But that's the devil,
<v Speaker 2>I know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>And like I know, i'd know how to deal with
<v Speaker 2>the situation. Yeah, run run like fuck yeah, that's right,
<v Speaker 2>run fuck away, Diamondback. You know, we encounter them. You
<v Speaker 2>might have seen some videos where we come across them.
<v Speaker 2>We don't ever. We tried to never kill them unless
<v Speaker 2>they're coming at you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no need there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, there's no need. No, there's no need at all.
<v Speaker 2>Although I do have I got to tell you this, Joy,
<v Speaker 2>I have a great sipping for diamondback chili. Oh oh
<v Speaker 2>you know what the secret is that more chicken? Got?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, got you know. I remember I went to Arizona
<v Speaker 1>once with my mom when I was like seven, and
<v Speaker 1>it was like, hey, you could eat you could eat
<v Speaker 1>real rattlesteak, grilled rattlesteak, like some tourist thing. We went
<v Speaker 1>and did that. But the diamond but yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I just I know their their bite sucks and you're
<v Speaker 1>gonna have nerve pain for a while, but they're not aggressive.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I just saw them with my daughter like
<v Speaker 1>two days ago, fucking massive five footer and just she
<v Speaker 1>was super chill. She did she didn't. I think she
<v Speaker 1>thought she was more camouflaged than she was and probably
<v Speaker 1>thought we didn't see her, but we saw her. And anyway,
<v Speaker 1>but the bees, I mean, I guess the difference is
<v Speaker 1>the aggressiveness with the bees. And what tipping point do
<v Speaker 1>you start to worry about even if someone's not allergic,
<v Speaker 1>do you start to worry about like this person may
<v Speaker 1>not live? Like how many?
<v Speaker 2>The great mystery? You know, we talk about this a lot,
<v Speaker 2>and people I always say to like me, I've been
<v Speaker 2>stung thousands of times, just not all at once, and
<v Speaker 2>they say, oh, you must be immune. Well, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the analogy that I use is most people are not
<v Speaker 2>allergic to strawberries, but then they'll turn twenty eight or
<v Speaker 2>forty two and eat a strawberry and all of a
<v Speaker 2>sudden they're in the er. What the hell happened? With
<v Speaker 2>anaphylectic shot. And then there's that rare person that is
<v Speaker 2>allergic to strawberries from birth, very highly allergic, and they
<v Speaker 2>turn thirty two or fifty eight and accidentally eat a
<v Speaker 2>strawberry and everything's fine. What the hell happened? We don't know.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know. If you go get and go to
<v Speaker 2>the doctor and get the scratch test for allergies, they
<v Speaker 2>will tell you, okay, you are not allergic to this
<v Speaker 2>right now. Yeah, you know, you don't know when that
<v Speaker 2>next uh, you know, a piece of bread you eat,
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have gluten intolerance. You don't know. You don't
<v Speaker 2>know what's gonna happen in the next second. So that's
<v Speaker 2>always a great mystery, and why we always take benadrula
<v Speaker 2>if we've gotten stung, because it might be our last sting.
<v Speaker 4>But it's true, it's true at any point that the
<v Speaker 4>sands could run out. You know. There was a guy
<v Speaker 4>that worked for Reid for many years, alongside him for
<v Speaker 4>many years, and uh, and he's a he's a good friend,
<v Speaker 4>but he you know, he got stung. I mean it
<v Speaker 4>comes with the job. You're gonna get stung, right, That's
<v Speaker 4>just part of it. So he you know, he went
<v Speaker 4>for years getting taken stings here and there, doing the work,
<v Speaker 4>taking stings here and there, and then one day he
<v Speaker 4>got stung.
<v Speaker 2>And he went a day in a plaxis. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>so I I called the ambulance and he was he
<v Speaker 2>was turning blue. Man. I've known this guy forever. He
<v Speaker 2>used to fly, uh, you know, a puddle Jumpers air
<v Speaker 2>taxi in Alaska. I mean, the guy's a tough son,
<v Speaker 2>aim bitch. And so he's he's like, I don't feel well.
<v Speaker 2>And so the ambulance got there and uh and they
<v Speaker 2>said you have an EPIP and I said, oh, fucky,
<v Speaker 2>I got one in the trucks. I grabbed it and
<v Speaker 2>he's on the gurney and I jabbed him in the
<v Speaker 2>thigh and he didn't have a lot of meat on him,
<v Speaker 2>and I hit the bone Joey, I hit his femur
<v Speaker 2>and he was. I think it saved his life because
<v Speaker 2>he sat up and went, I'm not going to kill you.
<v Speaker 2>It woke his ass right up. The adrenaline was there. Joey. Afterwards,
<v Speaker 2>the EMTs and we were all laughing because they were like,
<v Speaker 2>you saved his life. I pulled that damn needle out.
<v Speaker 2>It bent the needle in his femur.
<v Speaker 1>Ah Jesus Christ, Well, this is this is autoimmune. I
<v Speaker 1>mean that's you know, anathletic shops honestly, like an allergic reaction.
<v Speaker 1>It's autoimmune. But I mean the venom itself, whether you're
<v Speaker 1>allergic or not, is still it's still a toxic. It's
<v Speaker 1>still a toxic, and I don't know much about it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, five hundred stings is a rattlesnake bite.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>That's and you've got a hundred thousand of them in
<v Speaker 2>a high and they all want to fuck you.
<v Speaker 1>So five hundreds Yeah, Like five hundred stings is a
<v Speaker 1>good threshold where you're now you're studying the worry. Even
<v Speaker 1>if someone's not allergic. That okay, this is we need
<v Speaker 1>to get into the mark.
<v Speaker 4>But you know what, there's been people they get stung
<v Speaker 4>forty times and die or once you know. Yeah, So
<v Speaker 4>it's really case dependent. It's person a person, and it's
<v Speaker 4>person to person day to day. It's a it's a
<v Speaker 4>moving target.
<v Speaker 2>So we don't know, we don't know. You know that
<v Speaker 2>I've taken with with these bees in pretty much all
<v Speaker 2>aspects of them that people want me to, you know,
<v Speaker 2>tell them how they're going to behave, what makes sense
<v Speaker 2>about them. But the only thing that I can be
<v Speaker 2>absolutely sure of is that I'm unsure. And the only
<v Speaker 2>thing that I can predict the certainty is that it's unpredictable.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at I just looked it up.
<v Speaker 1>It says key components of b venom melatin. This is
<v Speaker 1>the main pain causing agent. It destroys red blood cells
<v Speaker 1>and mass cells, triggering inflammation. That's not surprising. It's also
<v Speaker 1>the component that can cause long term tissue damage in
<v Speaker 1>high doses. Jesus, it is like fucking rattlesnake venom at
<v Speaker 1>a certain point. Phosphola pase a two. This is the
<v Speaker 1>primary allergy and a major reason beastings can be lethal.
<v Speaker 1>It works in concert with melatin to break down cell membranes.
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't sound good.
<v Speaker 2>It's also the it's interesting.
<v Speaker 4>What's interesting about it though, is that in low doses,
<v Speaker 4>if you're not allergic, low doses, it's really healthy. In fact,
<v Speaker 4>for a long time. And I don't know if this
<v Speaker 4>stat still holds true, but it was beekeepers in the
<v Speaker 4>Caucasus Mountains that had the longest life span measurable life
<v Speaker 4>span amongst humans on Earth. They just they were The
<v Speaker 4>number of centenarians that were coming out of that population
<v Speaker 4>was was really really high. So occasional b venom there's
<v Speaker 4>a component called appenin in the like apist, you know,
<v Speaker 4>but appenin in the b venom that is a neurotoxin,
<v Speaker 4>but in small doses can do things like reverse sparkins
<v Speaker 4>in's and and you know, cure arthritis and MS and
<v Speaker 4>all of this kind of stuff. So you know, more,
<v Speaker 4>more research has to be done. Yeah, because it's potentially medicine.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's I'm sure it's like anything. It's a
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a fine line between medicine and poison.
<v Speaker 1>But that I didn't know that it was high doses
<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, yeah, it just it starts breaking
<v Speaker 1>down cell membranes. That's fucked up. Yeah, you know, so
<v Speaker 1>what is that what do you think is the most
<v Speaker 1>the gnarliest, the gnarliest call you've ever gone to? Where
<v Speaker 1>these things were they had killed other animals maybe, or
<v Speaker 1>they were just there was so many of them, or
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, is there one that stands out?
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that incident at the Alfredo High School wasn't very good.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's hear about this.
<v Speaker 2>You know, So we were it was last last summer
<v Speaker 2>and it is the worst thing the incident to this
<v Speaker 2>day in the world. With Coaches County, we love to
<v Speaker 2>set records and keep them, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we're we were over in No Gallas rescuing
<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security customers and bordered camera powers. We were up
<v Speaker 2>on them, and we get a call from a sheriff's
<v Speaker 2>deputy over here. And No Gallas is about two hours
<v Speaker 2>away in another county, Santa Cruz County, And so we
<v Speaker 2>get a call from a deputy and he says, when
<v Speaker 2>can you get over to the Alfrida High School. Alfrida
<v Speaker 2>is a small rural town out here. We're a pretty
<v Speaker 2>good sized high school because they draw kids, farm kids
<v Speaker 2>and rants kids from all over the county and over
<v Speaker 2>that part of the county. Anyway, So I said, what
<v Speaker 2>the hell is going on? He said, I have twenty
<v Speaker 2>one students attacked and stung right now, with a little
<v Speaker 2>girl in the hospital. Jeez, man, and I said, I said,
<v Speaker 2>Jesus man, we're it's going to take us four hours.
<v Speaker 2>We got to get down off these camera towers and
<v Speaker 2>get these guys wrapped up for Homeland Security and the FAA,
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll head over there. He said, of course,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like they always ask us, any any
<v Speaker 2>first responders, what do we do? How do we you know?
<v Speaker 2>I said, you got to shut that school down, put
<v Speaker 2>up caution tape, and don't get stung yourself, and administer
<v Speaker 2>for a state of course, close that school down primarily,
<v Speaker 2>and block off the street and all that good ship
<v Speaker 2>and stay if you can. He said, I'll stay unless
<v Speaker 2>I get a call. Of course, he's a first responder,
<v Speaker 2>he's on call like we are. So we get over
<v Speaker 2>there and the bees are absolutely nuts. I mean, they're
<v Speaker 2>just nobody's around. Of course, the principal and some teachers
<v Speaker 2>were huddled in the office hiding, and we get there
<v Speaker 2>and we had we had to go put our suits
<v Speaker 2>on ways away and get on that one. But the
<v Speaker 2>bees are completely nuts. And we proceeded that we didn't
<v Speaker 2>even know where the hide was. We had to locate them.
<v Speaker 2>They were in a tree. We knew that out in
<v Speaker 2>front of the school. Well, it turned out that they
<v Speaker 2>were in a hole, coming and going out of about
<v Speaker 2>a two inch diameter hole about fifteen feet up in
<v Speaker 2>this tree. And it turns out, after a lot of questioning,
<v Speaker 2>but the reason they lit up was some of the
<v Speaker 2>little boys were throwing rocks at them. So as we do,
<v Speaker 2>there's not enough chlorine in the gene pool.
<v Speaker 1>I mean to be honest, that throwing rocks at a beehive.
<v Speaker 1>When you're a kid, it's in the manual.
<v Speaker 2>You think you can get away. You know, you don't
<v Speaker 2>have to do it. It's in the manual, but you
<v Speaker 2>don't have to do it.
<v Speaker 1>You think you can get away. I mean, kids do
<v Speaker 1>incredibly stupid shit. That's just part of being a kid.
<v Speaker 1>But certainly, you know, yeah, there's yeah, you got to
<v Speaker 1>teach your kids not to stick forks in electric sockets.
<v Speaker 2>But here's the dilemma.
<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know, Uh, Chris Pratt came out with a
<v Speaker 4>video a while ago he got he got fucked up
<v Speaker 4>by bees, and he actually came out and publicly blamed
<v Speaker 4>a girl in Texas who for a long time really
<v Speaker 4>had quite a reputation online. She was even on Joe
<v Speaker 4>Rogan and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Oh I know her, Yeah I can't. It's another day,
<v Speaker 1>you know what, it is, another day of saving the bees.
<v Speaker 4>But Chris Pratt, they he got all stung up and
<v Speaker 4>he came out publicly and said she is disingenuous and
<v Speaker 4>she is hurting people with this information.
<v Speaker 2>Now she's not the only one.
<v Speaker 4>There's this this be relocation bullshit all over social media
<v Speaker 4>all over the place. We don't we don't get the
<v Speaker 4>kind of numbers they get, you know, we don't get
<v Speaker 4>the kind of numbers they get. That. This is why
<v Speaker 4>I said, it's a problem. So people are watching this
<v Speaker 4>ship and that, like I said, millions of followers. They're
<v Speaker 4>doing way better than well.
<v Speaker 1>It's a nice it's a nice, feel good, wholesomer story
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't involve killing anything. And it feels good to watch.
<v Speaker 1>And I know, and there's no bad language. There's no
<v Speaker 1>bad language, there's no bad.
<v Speaker 2>But it's deadly. It's dangerous.
<v Speaker 4>This kind of thing, right, it lulls people into this
<v Speaker 4>bizarre these bizarre ideas about honey bees and and consistently,
<v Speaker 4>I promise you these people are not posting aggressive hives.
<v Speaker 2>And there's other carny stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to show him some of the few hives
<v Speaker 1>I've had them as fortune to encounter. Or my friend
<v Speaker 1>Kyle who was out looking for fucking milk snakes in
<v Speaker 1>South Texas and got attacked. Or my friend Ken King,
<v Speaker 1>well known botanists down here, who got attacked and thought
<v Speaker 1>he was going to die. He just laid down at
<v Speaker 1>one point and gave He's like, they're not I can't
<v Speaker 1>get away, and I forget what happened. I think he
<v Speaker 1>had he had prior exposure from working some line of
<v Speaker 1>work he did that put him in uh, and he
<v Speaker 1>got stung a bunch before, and so he had like
<v Speaker 1>prior his immune system didn't overreact. But uh, but he
<v Speaker 1>thought he told me, I mean, he's like, I thought
<v Speaker 1>that was it. I thought, I thought this is lights
<v Speaker 1>out because this is it was just so intense and
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't able to get away. And so but he survived.
<v Speaker 2>And we hear that daily. Yeah, we hear that daily
<v Speaker 2>now and people call us, of course, but also you
<v Speaker 2>know comments, We get hundreds of comments I mean, we're
<v Speaker 2>we're some of the few content creators that actually answer comments.
<v Speaker 2>I spend a couple of hours. I'm up at four
<v Speaker 2>every morning, and you know, get the ranch shores done,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll spend a couple of hours answering comments. We
<v Speaker 2>hired a local gall in town to help answering comments,
<v Speaker 2>beild the same goddamn comments over and over. You know,
<v Speaker 2>why don't you smoke? Why don't you do it at night?
<v Speaker 2>Don't come here and relocating smoke? What is so?
<v Speaker 1>What do you recommend if someone I mean, obviously, if
<v Speaker 1>someone's in southern ariazont I can call you. But if
<v Speaker 1>if someone you know, hundred miles away from you, guys,
<v Speaker 1>you guys can't make it out there, what do you
<v Speaker 1>recommend they do? Because some of these guys charge a
<v Speaker 1>ship ton of money and they're not going to be
<v Speaker 1>They're going to try to relocate it or they're going
<v Speaker 1>to you don't know what they're going to do, right,
<v Speaker 1>So it's a tough one.
<v Speaker 2>It really is a tough one because there is no
<v Speaker 2>The only thing we can tell people is this is
<v Speaker 2>not a DIY situation. Uh, you got to you got
<v Speaker 2>to have a pro out. But the problem is in
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the country that that pro is most
<v Speaker 2>likely a beekeeper. Now, this happened up in Scottsdale this
<v Speaker 2>summer where there were hot There was a hive up
<v Speaker 2>in a stucco building on a senior center, an assisted
<v Speaker 2>living center, and they wanted to remove the hive, and
<v Speaker 2>so the beekeeper, to make it easier for himself, sent
<v Speaker 2>up a crew of three guys to remove the stucco
<v Speaker 2>to expose the hive so he could remove them. Well,
<v Speaker 2>that costs one man is life.
<v Speaker 4>God, This guy, Nick Soto, Nicholas Soto was his name,
<v Speaker 4>That was in Scottsdale just a couple of months ago.
<v Speaker 2>Very sad. Wait he called.
<v Speaker 1>Did he tell where they wearing? They weren't wearing bee suits?
<v Speaker 1>He told these guys to remove the stucco and just no,
<v Speaker 1>and they.
<v Speaker 2>Were stuck in a lift. So he's stuck in a lift.
<v Speaker 1>And did he get charged with manslaughter or anything or what?
<v Speaker 2>We don't know yet. We don't know yet.
<v Speaker 1>That's terrible. That is so fucked man, God.
<v Speaker 2>Winnie the pool glasses man, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Did he tell them that it wasn't? I mean, how
<v Speaker 1>did you how do you convince someone to do that? Though,
<v Speaker 1>that's what I wonder, like, did he have to?
<v Speaker 4>But again, remember they're just honey bees and all this
<v Speaker 4>trash floating around the internet about relocation and aren't they sweet?
<v Speaker 4>And it was another day of saving the bees that
<v Speaker 4>that ship's dangerous.
<v Speaker 1>She really does end her videos like that, She said,
<v Speaker 1>another day of saving the bees. Just so grating.
<v Speaker 2>Man. It's like, it's pretty nay to say something different.
<v Speaker 1>Say something different for you don't have to say it's
<v Speaker 1>another day of saving the bees. Stop saying saying that,
<v Speaker 1>Say something else. That's her brand, saving the.
<v Speaker 2>Bees, you know, the entire there's a women's beekeeping Association
<v Speaker 2>of Texas and they all ganged up on her because
<v Speaker 2>of the disinformation that she's putting out and they put
<v Speaker 2>out videos and all that, and of course they don't
<v Speaker 2>have the cloud that she has as far as they're
<v Speaker 2>not getting on Rogan, let's put it that way. And
<v Speaker 2>they came out against her what she's doing because of
<v Speaker 2>the danger the people that you know, she's putting people
<v Speaker 2>in danger, is what it is. So the problem with
<v Speaker 2>there's two types of beekeepers. There are the big boys,
<v Speaker 2>the professionals they are. Did you know that the honeybees
<v Speaker 2>are classified as livestock in the United States. They're classified
<v Speaker 2>as livestock because that's what they are. They're invasive species,
<v Speaker 2>and they're classified as livestock. Now, if you've got the
<v Speaker 2>only thing that they're good for is big agriculture and monocropping.
<v Speaker 2>If you've got a thousand acres of almonds, you need
<v Speaker 2>honeybees for pollination. They're vikings and hoarders and they go
<v Speaker 2>in and focus on one type of neck or they
<v Speaker 2>don't have any relationship with that flower, and they're gonna
<v Speaker 2>get enough pollination done so you get a crop. All right,
<v Speaker 2>all right, So these bees, the big boys, they know
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing. They're the professionals. They raise them. They're
<v Speaker 2>like livestock razors. They're like horse people. They're like people
<v Speaker 2>that breed exotic cats or dogs. They know what they're doing.
<v Speaker 2>They breed their own queens. They are the ones that
<v Speaker 2>haul them across the country for pollination. Let's leave it
<v Speaker 2>to them. You know what the real problem is is
<v Speaker 2>the backyard beekeeper, because they think they know what they're doing.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what happened to this guy that lost his
<v Speaker 2>life in Scottsdale. The beekeeper who thought he knew what
<v Speaker 2>he was doing, sent them up there to remove the
<v Speaker 2>stucco from that wall, so to expose the hive so
<v Speaker 2>that he could go relocate the bees, and the hive.
<v Speaker 2>He sent that man to his death.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the thing is, if you're just a
<v Speaker 1>backyard beekeeper, how do you prevent it from being infested
<v Speaker 1>with the scoot al outa hybrid stop?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you can't.
<v Speaker 4>Well you got to requeen. You gotta be real diligent
<v Speaker 4>about re cleaning. But that only solves one particular problem,
<v Speaker 4>if in fact, it solves it. So so you know,
<v Speaker 4>when's she gonna when's she gonna go on her mating flight?
<v Speaker 4>Are you going to put a swarm excluder on the
<v Speaker 4>high of Like there's there's there's a lot to that.
<v Speaker 4>But that said, let's pretend that that's a remedy. And
<v Speaker 4>I do know people who are re cleening in this area. However,
<v Speaker 4>it's risky. What you're gonna do is, theoretically you're going
<v Speaker 4>to prevent that queen from from getting that African DNA
<v Speaker 4>in her and spreading it, you know, through the high
<v Speaker 4>the africanized DNA. So that works, but what you're never
<v Speaker 4>going to prevent and we saw it here in the gulch.
<v Speaker 4>There's a great video from about three or four years.
<v Speaker 2>Ago World War Bee. We called it if it's pinned,
<v Speaker 2>it's pinned on TikTok. But you've got a third generation
<v Speaker 2>bee keeper who keeping bees. One hive and her hive.
<v Speaker 2>She didn't know it.
<v Speaker 4>Her hive got invaded by Africanized honey bees. They killed
<v Speaker 4>all her bees and they moved in.
<v Speaker 2>It took a month.
<v Speaker 4>It took her a month to figure out something was wrong,
<v Speaker 4>and by the time she did, it was too late,
<v Speaker 4>because you know, they look identical.
<v Speaker 1>They were everywhere then, and it was a really aggressive hive.
<v Speaker 4>That hive blew up. She went to adjust something on
<v Speaker 4>the box. The hive blew up, and it was putting
<v Speaker 4>people in the hospital all up and down the gulf.
<v Speaker 2>They were attacking seven hundred and fifty yard radius. When
<v Speaker 2>we got there, there were let's see, what was thirteen
<v Speaker 2>people stung in two in the hospital. And when we
<v Speaker 2>showed up about this is about four about four hundred
<v Speaker 2>yards from that one hive, which was out her back door,
<v Speaker 2>about four hundred yards away down in the gulch, a
<v Speaker 2>cop is running the other way and He just looked
<v Speaker 2>at me and said, could you get rid of these
<v Speaker 2>goddamn bees please? He had no suiting, running for his silks,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so we go up there, and what
<v Speaker 2>really is interesting is what she said. Wow, now she
<v Speaker 2>had a suit, and of course we had our suits.
<v Speaker 2>We were all dolled up. But we're walking up to
<v Speaker 2>kill her hive and and mitigate the threat. And what
<v Speaker 2>did she say to you? Oh, she told me that
<v Speaker 2>Reid was a fear monger. Wild bees. Wild bees.
<v Speaker 4>Now these people, you know, this is old water down here.
<v Speaker 4>You know, these people have known each other for years
<v Speaker 4>and years and years, you know. So yeah, yeah, she
<v Speaker 4>had the nerve to say.
<v Speaker 2>That to me.
<v Speaker 4>He's he's a fear monger. Now it's crazy, wile, that's
<v Speaker 4>what we're talking about. This is while her fucking bees
<v Speaker 4>are putting people in the hospital. He's a fear monger.
<v Speaker 4>We unbelievable. So what is I'll give you one worse.
<v Speaker 4>The story continues. Two years later, a friend of ours
<v Speaker 4>had a friend who was house sitting for her, and
<v Speaker 4>he commented to our friend how much he was joined
<v Speaker 4>sitting out by the bee box. She never told him
<v Speaker 4>that they had.
<v Speaker 2>Blown up.
<v Speaker 4>Do you understand what I'm saying there is two years later,
<v Speaker 4>she's got somebody house sitting for her, and he's sitting
<v Speaker 4>out there by this bee box and just loving the bees.
<v Speaker 1>At no point, at no point did she say, hey,
<v Speaker 1>watch out.
<v Speaker 2>They you know, disclose anything to him.
<v Speaker 1>So they but at this point they had gone back
<v Speaker 1>to being mostly the European hybrid.
<v Speaker 2>They were they were dead. We killed that hive, and
<v Speaker 2>she simply got another hive.
<v Speaker 1>Oh not without warning the guy that it could also
<v Speaker 1>happen again, that it could.
<v Speaker 2>Best of the neighborhood. There were people within thirty feet
<v Speaker 2>in every direction.
<v Speaker 1>So it really is a taking time. You can be
<v Speaker 1>you could be keeping a hive, it can get overtaken
<v Speaker 1>by the Scutolata hybrid and it'll get Africanized without you
<v Speaker 1>even knowing it. And then suddenly you're just getting attacked, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>And it happens daily down at least down here, and
<v Speaker 2>definitely in the desert southwest. And you know, this is
<v Speaker 2>why I say the two types of beekeepers, the big boys.
<v Speaker 2>Leave it to them, they're the professionals. Let them do
<v Speaker 2>their breeding, let them do their pollination. Honey Bees in
<v Speaker 2>the Americas are only good for big agriculture and monocropping
<v Speaker 2>and the small beekeeper. That's what we don't need. You
<v Speaker 2>cannot they're invasive because you can't. It's you can't keep
<v Speaker 2>them in your backyard.
<v Speaker 1>They're hard, they're hard to contain, especially now it's I mean, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's not just like backyard chickens, you know, it's like
<v Speaker 1>your little cottage core thing going on. Let me keep these,
<v Speaker 1>you know. The thing is the thing though, that that
<v Speaker 1>because you had said, you know, they're necessary for polina,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of curious, like, but are they? I mean,
<v Speaker 1>what if for like.
<v Speaker 2>Native only big agriculture.
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't native bees be used just by planting the habitat
<v Speaker 1>like strips of native plant habitat in between some of
<v Speaker 1>the big egg fields.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the native bee thing for food pollination only work
<v Speaker 2>because people lived in the Americas for tens of thousands
<v Speaker 2>of years without honeybees. Right, yeah, all right, native pollinators
<v Speaker 2>only work if everyone has a backyard garden.
<v Speaker 1>You've got to have a lot of biodiversity and you've
<v Speaker 1>got the habitat the native plants. Yeah, you've got you
<v Speaker 1>keep the native plants around that they need, you know,
<v Speaker 1>because they don't.
<v Speaker 2>Do the high standardize. You go into any whole foods
<v Speaker 2>in the country and they're going to have the same
<v Speaker 2>damn strawberries and blueberries as everybody else because of monocropping.
<v Speaker 1>Right, But that's something and this is kind of related
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. But you know that that could be
<v Speaker 1>a way for for the future if the honeybee thing
<v Speaker 1>becomes too much of a cluster fuck. Is just you know, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you can have native pollinators pony stuff. You just have
<v Speaker 1>to keep strips of land available for them. You know,
<v Speaker 1>you have to keep in between the field I keep. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's good.
<v Speaker 4>Given their particular needs. I'm not sure that to keep
<v Speaker 4>up I think you know. Here's here's the thing too, though,
<v Speaker 4>the the importance of honey bees is often overstated.
<v Speaker 2>Correct.
<v Speaker 4>So there's this business of every three bites of your
<v Speaker 4>food comes from honey bees, right, and give thanks and worship,
<v Speaker 4>lie down and worship the provider.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but in addition, okay, but see, here's the thing.
<v Speaker 4>Conservative estimates seven percent yield increase on crops, seven percent
<v Speaker 4>yielding norain.
<v Speaker 2>No grain is pollinated, right honey.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, grasses are all wind polinated. Yeah, totally yep,
<v Speaker 1>none of it.
<v Speaker 2>Most nuts are not only almonds, pecans and pistachios.
<v Speaker 1>Not Yeah, and grains are like the major food crop,
<v Speaker 1>that's the major.
<v Speaker 2>That's what people are mostly eating. Yeah. Alfalfa is not
<v Speaker 2>pollinated by honey bees unless you're letting it go to seed.
<v Speaker 2>But they raise alfalfa out here in ranch country for
<v Speaker 2>animal feed for you know, to feed the cows and horses.
<v Speaker 2>None of that. It needs to be pollinated unless you're
<v Speaker 2>letting it go to seed for a seed crop.
<v Speaker 4>So we're non essential crops that are being pollinated by.
<v Speaker 1>Where does all this yeah, where does all this bullshit
<v Speaker 1>about the honeybees, you know, are saving humanity? Where's all
<v Speaker 1>this come from?
<v Speaker 2>Lobby lobbies, lobbies, lobbyists, big money. That's a it's a
<v Speaker 2>billion dollar industry, billion dollar industry.
<v Speaker 1>I mean because I like honey too, but I could
<v Speaker 1>do without it, you know, I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I really exactly.
<v Speaker 1>I mean without it, We're not getting rid of them.
<v Speaker 2>They're not going away.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 2>People ask us, especially with the Africanized honeybee, if this
<v Speaker 2>is a war we can ever win. No, it's not.
<v Speaker 2>We'll never win this war. But we have to win
<v Speaker 2>every battle because this is a job that Hosh and
<v Speaker 2>I can fail at once, because then we're dead.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about verroamites? Do those are those?
<v Speaker 4>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>They don't care. I used to when I used to
<v Speaker 2>have hives up here by the tunnel, and my hives
<v Speaker 2>became Africanized, and I couldn't go down and drink a
<v Speaker 2>bottle of wine with them anymore without a suit. I
<v Speaker 2>had to suit up just to go within one hundred
<v Speaker 2>yards of them. I used to go out and watch
<v Speaker 2>my Africanized bees pick mites off of each other and
<v Speaker 2>take the mites out and drop them in the field.
<v Speaker 1>These greasy what the fuck?
<v Speaker 4>You know?
<v Speaker 2>No shit, No, these bees were bred for two primary reasons.
<v Speaker 2>They were. The South African honey bee was known to
<v Speaker 2>be an excellent producer of honey and very disease resistant.
<v Speaker 2>So European honeybees and jungle conditions in Brazil were sickly.
<v Speaker 2>They are anyway. European honey bees are sickly. You got
<v Speaker 2>to read bedtime stories to them and all that shit,
<v Speaker 2>and so they're very sickly. And they don't produce a
<v Speaker 2>lot of honey in jungle conditions. So they cross bread
<v Speaker 2>them and they got what they wanted. They got a
<v Speaker 2>very highly productive, insanely diseased resistant honeybee. But they didn't
<v Speaker 2>know they were going to get franken b Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>The aggressiveness, the aggressiveness, and.
<v Speaker 2>It's gotten worse. It's gotten worse over the years. Every
<v Speaker 2>year now we have to up our game every job
<v Speaker 2>that we go into. We have no idea how much
<v Speaker 2>more their aggression level is. They have increased their numbers
<v Speaker 2>of swarms, so they put out So swarming is nature's
<v Speaker 2>way of propagating the area with bees. You've got a
<v Speaker 2>hive of one hundred thousand bees, ten percent of them
<v Speaker 2>take off, go find a new place to live. You
<v Speaker 2>still have your old hive. European hives would do that
<v Speaker 2>five or six times a year. Left of their own
<v Speaker 2>device is africanized thirty times a year per hive. I
<v Speaker 2>used to watch my hives swarm once a week.
<v Speaker 1>They spread that quickly. They'll sun thirty. It's like sending
<v Speaker 1>thirty offsets out everything.
<v Speaker 2>That's great, that's correct. Yeah, they're just throwing shit at
<v Speaker 2>the wall to see what sticks. And I really they're
<v Speaker 2>going they're moving north. They're north. There north.
<v Speaker 4>It's only a matter of time before the North is
<v Speaker 4>saturated just a matter of time.
<v Speaker 2>This isn't you they're a better bee, They're a better bee. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they're just better. They're better ye honeybees.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Wherever European honeybees can thrive or can survive, these
<v Speaker 4>bees thrive.
<v Speaker 1>So basically we're I mean, is there going to be
<v Speaker 1>a point that which the European ecotype of domestic beekeeping
<v Speaker 1>is not really available anymore? You think? Is that possible?
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if the system crashes, you know, I mean
<v Speaker 4>up until then though, they're just raising their own queens
<v Speaker 4>and taking care of anything, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, but left. Let's put it this way.
<v Speaker 4>You know, like if civilization, for whatever reason, dries up
<v Speaker 4>in the Western hemisphere, these bees are going to take
<v Speaker 4>over everything.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, they would everything, everything would be.
<v Speaker 4>And in a thousand years, in a thousand years, these
<v Speaker 4>bees will be here.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it's just natural selection. They're just the
<v Speaker 1>best at its surviving ecologically the most ecologically successful.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah they are. They're man made, they're created,
<v Speaker 2>they don't belong on the planet, and yet they're the
<v Speaker 2>most successful. You know, there's a lot of man made
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's going to stick around for a long time. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>You know plastic, the.
<v Speaker 1>Layer of microplastic that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you're talking about my sense of humor. That's
<v Speaker 2>going to stick around for decades.
<v Speaker 1>Well before okay, so before we dip out that, I
<v Speaker 1>want to ask, so, how did how did you guys
<v Speaker 1>both get started in all of this?
<v Speaker 2>Well, personally, I used to drink heavy okay, no anyway, No, actually, Joey,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a home brewer. I'm a need okay or honeywine.
<v Speaker 2>I have bottles of mead that I made thirty years ago.
<v Speaker 1>So the booze is the booze. How you got into
<v Speaker 1>keeping bees.
<v Speaker 2>That's how I got into everything. Come on, you know
<v Speaker 2>I'm from North Oh.
<v Speaker 1>There you go, yeah, oh, I know you guys up there.
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit. I wrote in the Milwaukee once. I took
<v Speaker 1>a freight train the Milwaukee once. Yeah, I wrote. I
<v Speaker 1>wrote a freight train in the Milwaukee once. And it
<v Speaker 1>was Octoberfest. The whole fucking town was inebriated. There were people,
<v Speaker 1>there were cars pulling over just south of downtown so
<v Speaker 1>people could puke on this, you know, into the gutters.
<v Speaker 2>It was when you said, when you said the whole
<v Speaker 2>time was inebriated. My first thought was, how could you tell.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, this was more so
<v Speaker 1>than usual.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ice fishing is real.
<v Speaker 1>But so okay, so you so you got into that's
<v Speaker 1>so that the meat is what guy you into being.
<v Speaker 2>I thought it would be all romantic back in the
<v Speaker 2>I was a young buck and I came to Bisbee
<v Speaker 2>in eighty one and and I, you know, made friends
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of folks quick. Bisbee was the wild West,
<v Speaker 2>even more so back then because the minds had just
<v Speaker 2>closed and I was just a bunch of outlaws, and
<v Speaker 2>it was it was so much fun, Oh my god. Pleasant. Yeah, well, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>from what I remember, I had a great time. The
<v Speaker 2>officer said, I had a blast.
<v Speaker 1>From what I remember. That's okay, that's nice. I like
<v Speaker 1>how the story is progressing, keep going.
<v Speaker 2>It's all true, brother, it's all true. So I thought,
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it be romantic? Bad my own bees, got my
<v Speaker 2>own honeymake my own meat, never leave the house, blah
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. And so I got a gunny sack full
<v Speaker 2>of bees from a person, and in a be suit
<v Speaker 2>and two boxes. And it started there. And so then
<v Speaker 2>I was just a young buck, and the older ranchers
<v Speaker 2>out here, they all had honey bees, and everybody did.
<v Speaker 2>And they someone were getting older or whatnot, they call
<v Speaker 2>and they'd say, yeah, I gotta swarm here if you
<v Speaker 2>want it. And then so I started that in about
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight and ninety three was when the Africanized came
<v Speaker 2>across the line, and all of a sudden, all the
<v Speaker 2>ranchers are calling me up and going, I, what the fuck.
<v Speaker 2>I can't get near my bee boxes. These bees are nuts.
<v Speaker 2>What the hell happened? And I'd explain the crossbreeding. Or
<v Speaker 2>they would say those bees been in that shed for
<v Speaker 2>sixty years and now they're stinging the horses and cows
<v Speaker 2>and me, what the hell's going on? And I'd explain
<v Speaker 2>the crossbreeding and they'd say, well, come out and get
<v Speaker 2>the damn things right. And so I segued into the
<v Speaker 2>removable aspect of it, because I'd go out and tear
<v Speaker 2>off a wall and There'll be five hundred pounds of
<v Speaker 2>comb in there.
<v Speaker 1>How long had you been keeping bees before you noticed
<v Speaker 1>the aggressiveness start?
<v Speaker 2>Six years?
<v Speaker 1>So six years or the aggressive hybrid started floating to
<v Speaker 1>the top, and that's and soon you watch, So you
<v Speaker 1>watched this infestation basically happen.
<v Speaker 2>At the beginning. I used to watch and you couldn't
<v Speaker 2>tell by looking. It was a mystery. We used to
<v Speaker 2>send at the request of the Department of Agriculture in Tucson, Arizona.
<v Speaker 2>We used to send samples. Everybody who had anything to
<v Speaker 2>do with these send samples. They sent us a little
<v Speaker 2>jars and shit, and it was like twenty or thirty
<v Speaker 2>bees from each some warm or high, so thousands and
<v Speaker 2>thousands samples to them for testing a percentage of africanization.
<v Speaker 2>Because everybody was like, what the fuck is going on?
<v Speaker 2>And in five years from ninety three to ninety eight
<v Speaker 2>and nineteen ninety eight, they called up all of us
<v Speaker 2>and said, don't send anymore. We're throwing them away. They're
<v Speaker 2>all Africanized. Yeah, just assume it.
<v Speaker 1>I remember. I remember late nineties was when you started
<v Speaker 1>singing popular culture and it was like a fucking made
<v Speaker 1>for TV movie about it, and it became this thing
<v Speaker 1>and the news really hyped it up. But now it
<v Speaker 1>seems like maybe it wasn't that much hype.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, no, it wouldn't you know, there wouldn't hype.
<v Speaker 2>In fact, there was an understatement of anything.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Because I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I used to watch I used to watch clouds of
<v Speaker 2>my bees chase cars down Highway eighty unprovoked.
<v Speaker 1>So fucked it's so I mean, I'm laughing, but it's
<v Speaker 1>just it's just, you know, it's it's so crazy and
<v Speaker 1>uh and I mean it's it is. It's just it's
<v Speaker 1>like something out of a fucking Simpsons cartoon.
<v Speaker 2>Man. Oh no, it's so far out in left field
<v Speaker 2>it is.
<v Speaker 4>You know what.
<v Speaker 2>I always obviously totally love what I do. Can't imagine
<v Speaker 2>doing anything else. I'll be sixty seven in January. I
<v Speaker 2>feel better than I did when I was in my forties,
<v Speaker 2>and you know it. But it's like being a paid
<v Speaker 2>juvenile delinquent.
<v Speaker 1>So you've been how long have you been doing professional
<v Speaker 1>be removals for now.
<v Speaker 2>Since about ninety Since then?
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, So that's when you really got into it
<v Speaker 1>and there was just that much business. And I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>business keeps increasing every year.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And you know it does because now
<v Speaker 2>we have some because everything that I've ever said about
<v Speaker 2>them has happened, because it is continuing to happen. Much
<v Speaker 2>of the chagrin of the uh that we love the
<v Speaker 2>honeybee crowd be huggers, the bee hudgers, you know, much
<v Speaker 2>of their chagrin. I'm always right, but boy, talk about satisfying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, hosh, what's your background? How did you got
<v Speaker 1>how did you guys find each other?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>So you know, COVID for me, you know, kind of
<v Speaker 4>flipped my life upside down, and uh, you know, I
<v Speaker 4>did that to a lot of people, and I went
<v Speaker 4>from being uh, I went, I became non essential. Right.
<v Speaker 2>So I was I was looking for work.
<v Speaker 4>I'd met my wife and I wanted to move over
<v Speaker 4>here to be with her, and I was looking for
<v Speaker 4>work and a mutual friend said, hey, you know, go
<v Speaker 4>talk to read.
<v Speaker 1>And that was it.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, that was it. Yeah, And so it's just
<v Speaker 2>prior to read though I wasn't involved in in any
<v Speaker 2>be stuff at all.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, so you just kind of you just signed
<v Speaker 1>up and learned on to go basically.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's got to be quick learning too. I assume
<v Speaker 1>if you guys are going out every day removing you know.
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you it was pretty funny because because I
<v Speaker 4>wasn't really sure about any of it when I first
<v Speaker 4>got started. I mean, you know, he'd tell me stories
<v Speaker 4>and and all of this kind of stuff and I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>really really, And then and you know, we did a
<v Speaker 4>couple of hives and then we got into one up
<v Speaker 4>in Kansas Settlement.
<v Speaker 2>It was massive.
<v Speaker 4>In fact, you can watch the job. It's called worst
<v Speaker 4>period bees period ever, period period period and uh and
<v Speaker 4>and you know, as it stands, it actually wasn't. We've
<v Speaker 4>seen them worse since then.
<v Speaker 2>But it was a bad hive.
<v Speaker 4>And it was all overhead work midsummer and we're out
<v Speaker 4>there and it was nuts. I mean I got I
<v Speaker 4>got all stung up, got stung through my gloves, got
<v Speaker 4>stung through my suit. And by the time we waited
<v Speaker 4>our way through the hive, I had had my come
<v Speaker 4>to Jesus moment, you know, I'm all like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>why don't we relocate this? And then and then and
<v Speaker 4>then I just I had that experience and it it stuck.
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, oh shit, it can be like this, this.
<v Speaker 2>Is a this is a calling. And now it's more
<v Speaker 2>often than that, and exactly.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's the thing. So it's it's November now,
<v Speaker 1>but I mean in the summer there it's hot as balls.
<v Speaker 1>It's fucking southern Arizona. And so you guys are wearing
<v Speaker 1>these be suits at the same time. I mean they
<v Speaker 1>can sting through the suits sometimes. How do they get
<v Speaker 1>into the suit?
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes all the time, they don't. They don't make equipment
<v Speaker 2>for us. They make equipment for bee keepers.
<v Speaker 1>Right, not for people who are actually getting attacked on
<v Speaker 1>a massive level.
<v Speaker 4>Or exactly exactly making And I don't know what they
<v Speaker 4>do down in South and Central America because because you know,
<v Speaker 4>in Brazil they keep the.
<v Speaker 2>People die every day. In latinomer every people do they're
<v Speaker 2>using these things.
<v Speaker 1>You're saying Guadalajara, Well, you were telling me something last
<v Speaker 1>week there was a massive uh.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well the the average just just in Guadalajara, the
<v Speaker 2>average number of reported the attacks every month is three thousand.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's crazy. So they're just everywhere.
<v Speaker 2>City and Latin American. I've lived in Latin America. I
<v Speaker 2>know Mexico intimately. I've been in Brazil, in Costa Rica
<v Speaker 2>and Panama and all that. And the last people you
<v Speaker 2>call are cops. You do not call cops in Latin America.
<v Speaker 2>You do not nothing. You you if you absolutely have to,
<v Speaker 2>you have to, you can call an ambulance. But so
<v Speaker 2>these are reported, so these have to be pretty bad
<v Speaker 2>for that number for them to call.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an understatement of actualities of the actual attacks.
<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, that's crazy, and.
<v Speaker 2>That exactly exactly.
<v Speaker 4>I mean biology, so much of you know, Central and
<v Speaker 4>South America too, so much of it is rural.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and you don't you don't hear.
<v Speaker 4>Anything about that, just like you don't hear about stuff here.
<v Speaker 4>I mean two years ago they killed three people here
<v Speaker 4>in Coacheese County, didn't even make the papers, Jesus Man,
<v Speaker 4>because because it's rural, nobody cares what happens.
<v Speaker 1>So biologically, I just think, I mean, if they're that widespread,
<v Speaker 1>to think about all the reductions in native diversity, that's.
<v Speaker 2>This is the big This is the big one. That's
<v Speaker 2>the big.
<v Speaker 1>They're everywhere, and that's limited resources.
<v Speaker 4>Biodiversity leads to desertification. A lack of bioto diversity will
<v Speaker 4>fuck all of us. Never mind a killer beehive, right,
<v Speaker 4>it's homogenization.
<v Speaker 2>Of nature, right, Absolutely need diversification, and these guys are.
<v Speaker 2>That's why I call them the most successful invasive species
<v Speaker 2>to hit the planet, because they've got human support.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, the more you learn about them, they
<v Speaker 1>kind of are and the fact that they're so good
<v Speaker 1>it just getting established on their own.
<v Speaker 2>Well, and like Horse said, they have human support. We're
<v Speaker 2>aiding in a bedding.
<v Speaker 1>And now competing everything. Yeah, I mean, and then you
<v Speaker 1>think about the I mean, you know a lot of
<v Speaker 1>players in the US are actually pretty well studied. There's
<v Speaker 1>there's entomologists and melotologists, be researchers studying this stuff and
<v Speaker 1>keeping data and surveying on numbers and populations. But then
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of places, especially in Latin America, Central America,
<v Speaker 1>where no one's keeping adequate track of this. There's certainly
<v Speaker 1>some good work being done down there by scientists, but
<v Speaker 1>then there's a lot of areas that are just rural
<v Speaker 1>and the universities can't get out there and think about
<v Speaker 1>what could be happening. I mean, just massive reduction.
<v Speaker 2>On these Africanized on are decimating uh native pollinators in
<v Speaker 2>the Amazon. That's something nobody is talking about.
<v Speaker 1>And no one seems to be keeping tabs on it
<v Speaker 1>either and studying it. I mean, there's no there's no numbers,
<v Speaker 1>there's no quantifying and.
<v Speaker 2>Even worse than that, people are going to keep bees right.
<v Speaker 4>So what we want to see, Julius, we want to
<v Speaker 4>see people stop keeping backyard bees. No backyard bee keeping,
<v Speaker 4>no feral hive relocations.
<v Speaker 2>It's just not worth It's that simple.
<v Speaker 1>It's keeping bees.
<v Speaker 4>People will do those two things. Stop backyard beekeeping and
<v Speaker 4>stop relocating feral highs.
<v Speaker 1>Put some put some agvy nectar on your peanut butter
<v Speaker 1>sandwich instead, or just you know, fucking banana.
<v Speaker 2>You don't need be no shortage of honey.
<v Speaker 1>You don't need the honey. You don't need the honey.
<v Speaker 1>You know it's for your whiskey. Sours do something they
<v Speaker 1>use honey and whiskey says, you find something else.
<v Speaker 2>You know, fucking what do you mix things with whiskey?
<v Speaker 1>I know, well I've been sober nine years now. I
<v Speaker 1>had to stop. I was, you know, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>made a program.
<v Speaker 2>We wouldn't be we wouldn't be talking if I continued.
<v Speaker 1>Friend the bee, I've been a friend the bill, you know.
<v Speaker 1>But but uh but you know, but yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 1>I was. There's that's the things that it's I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I like, yeah, I like honey too, But it's not
<v Speaker 1>worth this. It's not worth it.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, it's not. And honestly, in our lifetimes, certainly
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have all the honey we can consume where
<v Speaker 2>it's not going away. We're not giving up on anything.
<v Speaker 2>You know, people, we get comments all the time, Joey
<v Speaker 2>from people are like we're all gonna starve the way
<v Speaker 2>that you're killing the bees, Like, go shut the fuck up.
<v Speaker 1>It's just the propaganda. It's just the propaganda.
<v Speaker 2>We exactly, we only we only kill every hive that
<v Speaker 2>we get called out to go get rid of, of course,
<v Speaker 2>because we're busy enough doing that ship. And that was
<v Speaker 2>literally point zero zero zero one percent of the hive.
<v Speaker 2>It's just in Coaches County.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's nuts, man, it's not. And when you actually
<v Speaker 1>learn about the native bees, I got this book on
<v Speaker 1>my desk right now, The ABC's of California's Native Bees
<v Speaker 1>by Crystal Hickman. Crystal Hickman, she was the bee researcher
<v Speaker 1>I had on the podcast a couple of days ago.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you look and it's it's a C
<v Speaker 1>so it's species name A through A through Z and
<v Speaker 1>it's these things are fucking dope. They're really cool, you know,
<v Speaker 1>cute little bastards that are mostly solitary or.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mostly non aggressive, mostly solitary, do not stand do
<v Speaker 2>not have do not stand a match to these africanized
<v Speaker 2>honey bees where you've got one hundred thousand and a
<v Speaker 2>high them. They're all of one mind.
<v Speaker 1>And nobody's aware that most of these species exist. Man,
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy. There's like metallic blue native bees here that
<v Speaker 1>are just fucking gorgeous and cool, and then you learn
<v Speaker 1>they've got a specialist relationship with a really cool desert
<v Speaker 1>plant and those things are.
<v Speaker 2>Getting fucked just to like make a list of native pollinators.
<v Speaker 2>And all I can do is tell them google native
<v Speaker 2>pollinators for your area.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, or go to or go to I Naturalists
<v Speaker 1>the website I Naturalist, type in, type in your type
<v Speaker 1>in your county name, and type in I know, Hymenoptera
<v Speaker 1>is the main order. What is the family of bees?
<v Speaker 1>Is that AA or something?
<v Speaker 4>What? No, what is it?
<v Speaker 1>What is the main Uh?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm an opera and uh I mean APIs.
<v Speaker 1>Let me see dot org. Yeah, I think dot com.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not ready to hear that killerby nation out there YouTube?
<v Speaker 1>And are we still on TikTok I naturalists dot org
<v Speaker 1>And you could type in hymenoptera, but there's because hymenoptera
<v Speaker 1>will give you ants and wasps too, what would.
<v Speaker 2>You exactly what you know, we tell people just to
<v Speaker 2>put in native pollinators from my area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 4>You know. The other thing to bring up, Joey real quick,
<v Speaker 4>is it feral honeybee hives, whether they're European or afroganized,
<v Speaker 4>and nothing to do with your food supply exactly, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>are not pollinating your food. It's not feral honey bees
<v Speaker 4>that are that are pollinating the monocrops in California. It's
<v Speaker 4>kept bees, feral honey bees. There's no place for feral
<v Speaker 4>honeybees of any genus in the America.
<v Speaker 1>So it's really overstated. This is really overstated the amount
<v Speaker 1>of of pollination that they do of crops.
<v Speaker 2>It's well crops, so they do. But but feral hives
<v Speaker 2>do not pollinate crops as supposed to, as opposed to
<v Speaker 2>kept bees by the big boys, by the professionals.
<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, yeah, well even that, I mean again, all
<v Speaker 1>the grain crops are wind pollinated, so exactly.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Nobody's nobody has ever died of an almond deficiency.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. The taxonomic the taxonomic clade I was looking for
<v Speaker 1>is a podia A p O I d E A
<v Speaker 1>which is uh is within Highminatra, and that includes the
<v Speaker 1>wasps and the bees. So if you type in a
<v Speaker 1>point A P O I D e A into eye naturalists,
<v Speaker 1>there's two fields there. One you can type in the
<v Speaker 1>organism you're looking for. In the other field, you can
<v Speaker 1>type in Cocheese County, for instance, and you'll get a
<v Speaker 1>list of everything. Every native bee and APIs maliffer will
<v Speaker 1>show up there too, But of course we know that's
<v Speaker 1>not native, so that's a great reference for people to
<v Speaker 1>use as well. But that's I mean right there. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you look at these things. They're fucking cool. They're all
<v Speaker 1>really cool looking, really ecologically important and little known native
<v Speaker 1>pollinators that are getting fucked by these stupid honey bees
<v Speaker 1>that are also a threat to human life.
<v Speaker 2>So literally, yeah, yes, yeah, it's it's uh, I got wet.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, thank you so much for having us, man,
<v Speaker 2>thank you guys for coming on me. Yeah, this has
<v Speaker 2>got to be put out there. Man, we can do
<v Speaker 2>another one in a few months if you want. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>this has got to be you know, we'll never win
<v Speaker 2>the war, but we have to win every battle.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, it's you know, I mean, it's I'm only
<v Speaker 1>partially joking. But when I say that, I like to
<v Speaker 1>see honeybee hate. I like to see spreading hate for
<v Speaker 1>the honey bees because it's it is. It's a huge issue, man,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I just thinking about that alone, all
<v Speaker 1>the places where it's records aren't being kept, and that
<v Speaker 1>is not being collected about all the I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>wonder if they've caused any extinctions of native bees anywhere,
<v Speaker 1>certainly extir patients.
<v Speaker 4>You know, I promise you no, no massive decimations. You know,
<v Speaker 4>something that we see consistently. We'll do a job someplace
<v Speaker 4>out in the valley or wherever.
<v Speaker 2>We'll do a job.
<v Speaker 4>We'll knock out a hive. We'll return to the same
<v Speaker 4>patch of grass a month later, two months later, five
<v Speaker 4>months later, and we see native bees everywhere. Oh so
<v Speaker 4>you actually see all kinds of diversity. We absolutely see
<v Speaker 4>that diversity bounce back.
<v Speaker 1>You see the removal of these invasive species actually result
<v Speaker 1>in more diversity.
<v Speaker 4>Is better population because there's more food.
<v Speaker 2>With our own eyes, there's more food for them and
<v Speaker 2>less competitive the bees, these Africanized bees. I've watched them
<v Speaker 2>kill native pollinators on flowers.
<v Speaker 1>What do they do?
<v Speaker 2>I just pile on top of the dog bile or
<v Speaker 2>drive them away. They're so aggressive and competitive that for
<v Speaker 2>they're competitive not only for fruit doores, but for housing.
<v Speaker 2>They will drive Now bumblebees house underground. Here in the
<v Speaker 2>desert southwest, there are no more bumble bees and tuc
<v Speaker 2>Sound because of Africanized honey bees there. They will take
<v Speaker 2>over underground burrows of bumblebee hives. They will kill the
<v Speaker 2>bumblebees and move in. Now European honeybees never ever used
<v Speaker 2>to live underground. We are seeing that all the time
<v Speaker 2>now you see our videos. We have numerous videos of
<v Speaker 2>us doing removals underground, or we're digging them out, digging
<v Speaker 2>Africanized hives out from rabbit warrens and under burrows where
<v Speaker 2>bumblebees used to live.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's well, of course they're hitting native poloniers.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the killer bee colonies don't even fight. They
<v Speaker 1>fight amongst each other too.
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like, oh, absolutely yeah, oh they'll kill each
<v Speaker 2>other willing.
<v Speaker 4>In addition to that, you know the real problem is
<v Speaker 4>it's a sort of like gentrification that these colonists are doing. Right,
<v Speaker 4>So they'll occupy a space. The amount of nectar and
<v Speaker 4>pollen that the average hive pulls out of an ecosystem, okay,
<v Speaker 4>in a three mile radius where they're foraging. In a month,
<v Speaker 4>the amount of nectar and pollend that they will pull
<v Speaker 4>out of an ecosystem and stockpile in one of these
<v Speaker 4>hives can rear thirty three thousand native bees.
<v Speaker 1>God, that's crazy, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>And you know out here food is scarce.
<v Speaker 4>The these we've been, we've been in we've been in
<v Speaker 4>effectively a you know, there's a real dearth of resources
<v Speaker 4>out here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a drought out here for a long time,
<v Speaker 1>desert already. And then the yeah, Arizona's in a bad
<v Speaker 1>drought right.
<v Speaker 4>Now, what little there is, what little there is the
<v Speaker 4>the Africanized honeybees horde, and so there's less food for
<v Speaker 4>the natives now. In addition to that, though, remember they
<v Speaker 4>don't just in breed native plants, but they pollinate and
<v Speaker 4>spread invasive plant species. Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you know, it can't be really mad, especially
<v Speaker 1>when I think of that lady.
<v Speaker 2>Is saving the bees exactly. No, I fully rock the sentiment.
<v Speaker 1>I understand why you guys are so turned up now
<v Speaker 1>about this.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I do.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, So out in the valley, out in the
<v Speaker 4>valley one hundred and fifty years ago. Okay Sea of grass,
<v Speaker 4>sulfur springs, valley, sea of grass from peak to peak, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>from mountain range to mountain range, nothing but grass. The
<v Speaker 4>ranchers come through, not just the ranchers, but the cattle
<v Speaker 4>comes through. Okay, settlers, calons, they come through. They overgraze it,
<v Speaker 4>and they spread mesquite all over the place. Now mosquite
<v Speaker 4>loves disturbed soils. So you have this decimation of native
<v Speaker 4>grass being replaced by a lot of desert scrub, most
<v Speaker 4>of which or.
<v Speaker 2>Much of which is mesquite, which is an invasive.
<v Speaker 1>Speci mesquite mesquites not invasive, it's native, but it takes
<v Speaker 1>over due to overgrazing. I mean, those lands sound like
<v Speaker 1>there was.
<v Speaker 2>No mosquite, but there was no mosquite here originally, right,
<v Speaker 2>it couldn't.
<v Speaker 1>It couldn't get in when it was a grassland. And
<v Speaker 1>then when you once you're overgrazed, now it takes over
<v Speaker 1>and gets super aggressive.
<v Speaker 4>And now here's the thing is that mosquite in under
<v Speaker 4>these environmental conditions. The nectar flow off mesquite here is
<v Speaker 4>twice a year, and so that is plenty of food
<v Speaker 4>for africanized honey bees. But because the mesquite wasn't the
<v Speaker 4>dominant species here before, the native bees can't really relate
<v Speaker 4>to mesquite, not in the way that the honey bees do.
<v Speaker 4>So you have an invasive species spreading an invasive.
<v Speaker 2>Species, and it's mainly because the native pollinators are specialists
<v Speaker 2>and the honey bees, Africanized honeybees in particular, are generalists.
<v Speaker 2>That's an important destry.
<v Speaker 1>Well well, well again, mysquit's not invasive. It is a native,
<v Speaker 1>but it wouldn't. It's it's exploiting a niche because of
<v Speaker 1>the overgrazing, and the honey bees are now helping that along.
<v Speaker 1>And so once miskite takes over, of course now the
<v Speaker 1>grass can't get in because the miskeit shaves it out,
<v Speaker 1>and so now the ranchers and the cattle have nothing
<v Speaker 1>to eat. So this is all the more reason for
<v Speaker 1>i mean ranchers especially to care about this on that level.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's leading to, you know, landscape changes that directly
<v Speaker 1>affect them.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You can see a lot of our VIDs where
<v Speaker 2>we interview. We talked the ranchers down here a lot.
<v Speaker 2>We're all friends of ours, we know them, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they're down to earth. These are so these people live outside.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these people are amazing, and you can see
<v Speaker 2>interviews where we talk to them. They hate these bees
<v Speaker 2>with a passion.
<v Speaker 1>They get it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they get it, you know, I mean they you know.
<v Speaker 2>So it used to be, you know, you could relocate
<v Speaker 2>the honey bees around because they didn't try to kill us.
<v Speaker 2>Now you relocate a swarm or a hive out on
<v Speaker 2>any ranch property and you might get shot at.
<v Speaker 1>I can't say I blame them. When people may locate,
<v Speaker 1>what do they do? I mean, what are they just
<v Speaker 1>dumping a hive in a tree slumper?
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know what, it's a really good question, Joey,
<v Speaker 4>And I'll tell you what. It's super disingenuous because you can't.
<v Speaker 4>First of all, there's no shortage of these damn things.
<v Speaker 4>You where are you going to relocate them?
<v Speaker 2>Too? He is the question.
<v Speaker 4>And what I am pointing at here is there's a
<v Speaker 4>lot of people that say they're relocating and it's virtue signaling.
<v Speaker 4>They take this hive out someplace and they euthanize it.
<v Speaker 4>It's all for marketing. It's all for show, it's all
<v Speaker 4>for clicks, it's all for views. It's bullshit.
<v Speaker 3>Another day of saving the bees to a trash can
<v Speaker 3>because you have too many damn hives. So how many
<v Speaker 3>hives can a piece of property hold effectively, how many
<v Speaker 3>can it support? How much relocating can you do before
<v Speaker 3>you completely max out a three mile radius ecosystem right
<v Speaker 3>from where your hives are rotating saturated and it's already saturated.
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.
<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot of people that are pretend it's
<v Speaker 4>virtue signaling. Dude, there's a lot of people that are
<v Speaker 4>pretending to relocate that are actually just gathering up these
<v Speaker 4>and flushing them down a toilet someplace.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's I hope they're doing that. At least, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the virtue singing. I could do it out, but at
<v Speaker 1>least they're putting them down, I would hope, because I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it's just sounds like these things. I mean, it's they are.
<v Speaker 1>They're like they're like rats. They just breed super fast
<v Speaker 1>like rats.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, deadly rats, but the most successful invasive species on
<v Speaker 2>the planet right now. And you know, people always ask us,
<v Speaker 2>we get a lot of comments from Africa, from beekeepers
<v Speaker 2>in Africa, so that I, oh, I deal with these
<v Speaker 2>bees all the time. No, you don't. There are no
<v Speaker 2>africanized honey bees in Africa. There are African honey bees
<v Speaker 2>in Africa, right, Yeah, there are no cross breeds. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and there's a huge distinction, and I mean huge, right,
<v Speaker 2>it's two different critters. They look the same.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the hybrid again, Yeah, that's the distinction to
<v Speaker 1>make the hybrid is not the same as the wild ancestor.
<v Speaker 2>Well exactly it sounds.
<v Speaker 1>For better or worse, like you guys have your work
<v Speaker 1>cut out for you and you'll be very busy.
<v Speaker 2>There's no weird job security in the universe.
<v Speaker 1>There's no short of there's no shortage unfortunately of killer
<v Speaker 1>bee colonies to remove.
<v Speaker 2>But or educating people about these damn things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that's the biggest part, is just
<v Speaker 1>letting them know, like, man, honey bees just suck. They
<v Speaker 1>kind of do.
<v Speaker 4>They do.
<v Speaker 1>And this is it's not just the fact they can
<v Speaker 1>kill you, it's also the reductions and diversity that they're.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they stuck in the Americas and they're actually sucking
<v Speaker 2>in Europe now too because there are too many. There's
<v Speaker 2>a really good show from deutsch World that we use
<v Speaker 2>in one of our presentations called We're Saving the Wrong Bees,
<v Speaker 2>and it's a German production. It's in English, and there
<v Speaker 2>are too many. There are too many honey bees in
<v Speaker 2>Germany now, in Europe now, and that are driving out
<v Speaker 2>other native pollinators. Honey honey bees belong in Asia, Africa
<v Speaker 2>and Europe. They don't belong in the Americas.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, but that comment about Europe. The bee researcher
<v Speaker 1>I had on a few days ago mention that too.
<v Speaker 1>She said, they're even call it causing reductions in diversity
<v Speaker 1>where they're native, because there's they're everywhere and they get
<v Speaker 1>a boost from human beings many.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing is humans. Humans are helping the situation.
<v Speaker 1>Eating a Betty, Well, thank you both so much for
<v Speaker 1>coming on. I appreciate you, and I appreciate what you're doing,
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate you getting the message out there. So
<v Speaker 1>thank you again.
<v Speaker 2>All right, brother, they appreciate you. Man. This has been
<v Speaker 2>absolutely excellent and really enjoyed talking with you the stud again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah man, Yeah, and I look forward to watching more
<v Speaker 1>of your videos. Stay safe out
<v Speaker 2>There, all right, we'll do Thanks Joey, Okay, take care bye,