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Speaker 1: John Smoltz working on three hours of rest. He was on the call last night with Joe Davis and the World Series game and tomorrow night eight Eastern on Fox as the series shifts back to Toronto. John, thanks for joining us. Game five the fifth time in the last eleven postseason games, the Dodgers managed just two runs or less. And you're going against the Blue Jay team that was known for its hitting, not its pitching. What is the big problem with the Dodgers' bats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get in a funk seven out of nine guys collectively and keep asking your starting pitching to cover your lack of offense. That's what they did this whole postseason. They dominated, you know, subconsciously, when you had a.

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Speaker 3: Team but four right, great starters, there's a it's not literally this way, but you feel really good when you get to the park that three runs is going to win. This offense last year for the Dodgers was much better. Obviously, they had to win a different way. They won with bullpens.

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Speaker 2: And look, I mean it's not an excuse, but the statistics and things that have been thrown out there, which is mind boggling that a team that sweeps their series, facing a team that played a seven game series has never won the World Series. It still blows my mind. I know it's just a stat but then you start reading into maybe the layoffs do do harm to hitters, you know, and then your timing is all thrown out a whack and it's hard. I've said this about a starting pitcher that pitches twice in a series, much easier for him to make the adjustment in a series than a hitter who's struggling. The next day, he's got to make the adjustment, then he's struggling, and the next day he's got to do it again. So it's definitely the worst time of the year for that to happen. But the Dodgers are going to have to figure out a way on the next two two games to not solely rely on their starting pitching for the only way for them to win.

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Speaker 1: What made Trey you Savage unhittable He got.

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Speaker 2: Back to the mechanics in the field of that split. I felt like he would make the necessary adjustments. I watched too much tape, even though he hasn't thrown a ton of games that I'd never seen two games in a row where he didn't have a split. He did not have it. In the first game against the Dodgers, he abandoned it went to thirty two sliders, I think, which you know, it's a good pitch. It's not his great pitch. The great pitch is his split. But I thought he was so mechanically sound and his fastball command was much better. I thought the last game he was short with it, cutting it off, maybe trying to generate velocity. And look, it's a unique release point, and when he's able to throw enough strikes, they don't really have a chance on seeing too much evidence of somebody who throws like this that they can throw as a comp.

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Speaker 1: What I like last night as you talked about gut everything's about analytics, but you leave you savage in and you talked about this is a gut feeling by John Schneider.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And he learned the hard way. He even talked to it openly about you know, I've learned. I had to sleep all off season. I'm making a decision taking out my starter burrels against Minnesota, and there were other situations that didn't work out well. And you know, I've always felt like if you don't give a player a moment in the postseason, you'll never know because in the one sixty two they live and die by the numbers. And that's fine, but I think you've got to when a guy's having a moment, you don't let the other team breathe and take them out and feel better about you know, any decision that you make, especially this time of the year, that makes the other team go thank you, is not a great decision.

00:03:57
Speaker 1: Blake Snell gave up the home runs two of the first three pitches, but he did settle down, which is remarkable when I can't imagine that feeling John when you give up a home run to somebody to lead off, and you know, a playoff game, now a World Series game.

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Speaker 2: It's a shock. I really thought that he was going to establish his fastball because he didn't have a great fastball last time. And I'll tell you what, when they take that away from you, immediately you got to go into a mode where you're like, oh man, that game plan, like a scripted game plan, is great. But then they took it away from him. So I did think he settled down and made necessary adjustments. And the one thing about Blake Snell is normally that outing would be good enough to win a game, but the offense was not good enough to win the game.

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Speaker 1: In a show, is there any chance let's just throw out hypotheticals the Dodger win. Could Lad Guerrero Junior somehow be the MVP in a losing effort.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Blad Guerrero Junior has single handedly showed the world what it's like to be a complete player and how The World Series has absolutely been his time here to show that for everybody, and I think for the Toronto Blue Jays, for this country, for everything that he signed on for. I said and asked the question, did Glad need the World Series more than anybody else? And I think the answer is yes, because of everything that this year, this contract, who's been emotional about it. I think it's been an awesome display of what a great player he is, because obviously, focusing on Otani is the easiest thing to do, because he's the greatest player of our universe.

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Speaker 1: I talked to Kevin Malar this week and I said that Yamamoto reminds me of Pedro Martinez. Do you see similarities?

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Speaker 2: I do, in the sense of the nastiness and his ability to pitch in strike so and then to get guys to chase the one thing that Yamamoto, which now I'm like blown away when he went to the full pen and what was going to be beginning nineteen, that's all I needed to see. He instantly became for me one of the guys. I'll never forget that moment. If it were to go to the nineteenth after pitching a nine inning complete game in today's game and then say I want to go pitch in the bullpen, that was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather pitch to Otani or Vlad Guerrero.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna sound crazy, but o'canni mainly because of the left handed at bat versus the right handed at I would normally say right handers, but Vlad Gray Junior is a cross breed between Miguel Cabrera and the ability to hit the power and average and his ability to not come off certain pitches is swing wild. I mean, Poohols did the same thing to it, and like facing either of those two right handers, but the one thing you got to know facing o'tani is you're going to be embarrassed. You're going to be embarrassed, but you have a chance to strike him out, and this year he had more strikeouts than ever understandably, so just doing the role and doing what he did. So either way it's not a great result, but I feel like the ability to pitch away and splits give you more chance of strikeouts with Otani than you do with the Guerrero. And depending on your circumstances, you may need that strikeout more than you need the ability to pitch around somebody, because you may not be able to do that. Given the circumstances.

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Speaker 1: What do you expect to happen Friday night?

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Speaker 2: First? And for most it's the lowdest place, it's the most insane atmosphere. I expect that to be off the chart.

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Speaker 1: In all the baseball's that's the loudest by.

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Speaker 2: Far, right now by far, not even close. I mean they're the hungriest, right they haven't been in a while. Yeah, and it's a whole country. It's not a city, it's a whole country rooting from the team. I wouldn't be surprised they had twenty five thousand sitting there waiting for it to see if they'll workout on today. I mean they got a watch party. It's pretty cool. I mean all the hats came back out. You know, it usually happens that way, Like in nineteen ninety one, all the Braves hats came out. It's been thirty two years. I expect the Dodgers to be relentless in their quest because much like the Jays, and they're relentless, the Dodgers have a quiet, calm confidence. I say this before ever since they were down two games to one last year to San Diego Padres, something clicked, something changed and turned only for the Dodgers from a player's only standpoint, and the noises an't going to Literally the noise isn't going to bother them, but the narratives that are following this club won't bother them. Now, it doesn't guarantee they're going to win, but that's a great recipe for a chance to defend, which we haven't seen in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Quite as ballpark he ever pitched.

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Speaker 2: In Montreal, that's when that's when they used to have not the technology that we have today. And but Montreal, actually the pridest ballpark ever pitched in was when I got my first year in Atlanta because we didn't have any When you can hear the lights buzzing and the vendors yelling you're in trouble man. That is not I'll never forget the first time I went to a comedy club in Atlanta and every single punchline was about the Atlanta Braves. Like this would be a good year to paint the seats, you know, like the it's it's just amazing how it turned and how the chop and everything. So, cities that haven't one in a while, you're gonna have this incredible roar and excitement.

00:10:13
Speaker 1: Safe travels, John, Thanks for getting up with us, and we'll be watching on Friday night, My pleasure.

00:10:19
Speaker 4: Thanks.

00:10:20
Speaker 1: That's John Smoltz on the call with Joe Davis for a World Series Game five last night. Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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00:11:06
Speaker 1: Jay billis he ESPN college basketball anlust? All of a sudden, I'm watching the Spurs game. There's Jay and he is raving about Victor winban Yama. When's the last time you raved about somebody like you did Victor winban Yama.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Probably Zion Williamson in college, something like that, or Lebron Kevin Durant, you know, when they were in college and coming into the draft. You know, it's rare that you have a guy that you're you're looking at him going, I've never seen this before, and you know you're old enough.

00:11:43
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how much your audience is.

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Speaker 6: But the only guy I could kind of compare wemban Yama too was Ralph Sampson.

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Speaker 7: Like, I really believe this.

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Speaker 6: If Ralph Sampson were born twenty one years ago, he'd probably be in the wimban Yama atmosphere, because you know he was. Samson graduated college in eighty three and he was MVP the All Star Game in eighty five and averaged over twenty and ten with the Rockets before he got injured, and at seven four, really graceful, athletic, very very skilled, but he was put down the post. If he were allowed to play today's game, yeah, I think he could be in that atmosphere. But there's never been anything like Webin Yama at seven six or whatever he is now. He was standing next to Derek Lively the second of seven to one, and he made him look like it made it look like Derek Clivey was standing next to you.

00:12:36
Speaker 1: How would you describe his game?

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 6: He's like a seven foot six praying mantis that has the skills of a six to one guard, and he's he's become more physical to the point where last year I think he was shooting about eight almost nine threes per game and half the amount of free throws, and this year he's not taking near as many threes. I mean he might be taking two a game, and he's shooting a ton of free throws. I mean he's playing his game more in the paint and making his presence known from fifteen feet an end rather than outside of that area, and his effectiveness has gone way up. But I just think he's learning how to be more dominant in every aspect of the game. And he's only going to get better as long as he stays healthy. I mean, he's twenty one years old and he's only going to get better. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: How much of his development do you lean on where he played that he didn't go to college, but growing up, you know in academies, the pro development and the all around development that you find in Europe that you don't necessarily find here in the United States.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that that's necessarily that big of a deal. Look, I think we have in the United States. We've got a skill development culture of late and more of an AAU culture. So look, we're going to find something to complain about. I mean, when we were in college, the coaches complained that we played too much pickup ball and we didn't do enough skill work. And now they're complaining that they do too much skill work, they don't play enough pickup nobody plays pickup anymore, and they don't know how to play five on five.

00:14:26
Speaker 7: We're always going to.

00:14:26
Speaker 6: Complain about something, But I think what we wind up missing in this Dan and I'm not saying you, but you know, we tend to still have this narrative that foreign players are doing things substantially different than we are instead of looking at it like since the ninety two Olympics and the Dream Team, basketball has exploded worldwide. We still have most of the best players in the world, but we're not going to have them all anymore. And the idea like, right now, the top five candidates for MVP are all foreign born players. Shake Guild Justice. Alexander won it last year. He's Canadian. We're not going to have all the best players anymore. That's just not going to happen. The world's too big and basketball is the second most popular sport in the world behind soccer.

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Speaker 1: But if I put a non US five against a US five, who would you take.

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Speaker 6: A non US five against the US five? Yeah, so you're asking me the international team. I mean, I would take Jokic, Wueban Yama, Doncic, Shake Guild, just Alexander.

00:15:36
Speaker 7: That crew, and they'd be really hard to beat. But we'd be competitive.

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Speaker 6: It's not like we wouldn't win, Like we're still winning gold medals now. But the problem is, like the it's kind of like the Ryder Cup. You can't have just one country against the United States. We're still going to win that. But if you take the rest of the world combined, of course, of course.

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Speaker 7: That's going to be a problem.

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Speaker 6: But like if you know, if we were just playing if the Ryder Cup, if the US Ryder Cup team was just playing great Britain and Ireland, now we dominate. That's why they went to Europe. That's why I say we still have most of the best players in the world, the overwhelming majority we still have, but we don't have them all.

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Speaker 1: I get Also Yanis on that non y, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yanis, that's the time, thank you. That's the top five I was talking about for MVP, And the first American you're going to mention American born player is probably going to be Anthony Edwards of Minnesota, and he's further down the list for MVP.

00:16:34
Speaker 1: Right now talking to Jay Billis, he's got Duke in Texas on November fourth and Kansas North Carolina November seventh. What did you make a Cooper flag and his performance against the Spurs good, not great.

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Speaker 6: But I think you kind of expect that a little bit, Like he had a couple of things if you want to say working against him. He was, at eighteen, asked to play the point guard position in his first NBA game, which certainly isn't an easy transition to make. He didn't play point at Duke. He's got point guard skills, obviously, and he was being guarded by Stefan Castle, who's one of the handful of the best defenders in the league in my view, And that's a little bit of.

00:17:20
Speaker 7: A challenge for a player.

00:17:21
Speaker 6: And then once if you do get by your initial defender, you're running into Wembenyama, So that's a challenge. He's had some really good games and really good moments, and like most rookies, I think he's going to have his up and downs throughout the year. But he's the real deal. And what is he averaging thirteen points, seven rebounds, whatever? And he's made some great plays and he's made some that haven't been as great. But I think as he gets adjusted and that won't take too long to happen, he's going to establish himself as one of the best players in the league.

00:17:54
Speaker 1: Anything stand out from Austin Reeves when you saw him in college.

00:17:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Austin Reeds started his career at Wichita State and the first time I really saw him play. I saw him before that, but when I really saw him play was at Maui when he was witch Don. He had a shoulder injury and played through it, and my thought was, man, this guy can really shoot it and he's tough. But did I think, Okay, he's going to be a great NBA player at that time?

00:18:22
Speaker 1: No.

00:18:23
Speaker 6: And then when he transferred to Oklahoma, You're going, man, this guy can really play.

00:18:28
Speaker 4: But still you weren't thinking like I wasn't.

00:18:32
Speaker 6: I wasn't like jumping banging my fist on the table when he didn't get drafted, going what are these guys doing? You know, this is idiotic? How can you not draft this guy? That's happening more and more now where players tend to blossom a little bit later, and you see more undrafted players having success in the NBA because it's not all about being a superstar. You know, you got the superstars that are in a small category in the lottery. And then I think I heard one of my colleagues last night, I think it was last night, talking about you know, how did how did these guys go undrafted? How did nicolea Jokic go in the second round. Well, I don't remember any of those guys saying why why wasn't it happening at the time.

00:19:13
Speaker 7: You know, scouting's not easy.

00:19:15
Speaker 6: And uh, and you're gonna you're gonna miss, Like all thirty teams missed on Jokic in the first round. So it's not like it's not like somebody's got a magic formula of spotting this stuff in advance. You know, you do, you do the best you can. But Austin Reeves is a he's a stud, he's a he's a tough guy.

00:19:31
Speaker 1: Who's the guy the player that you thought he was going to be great and didn't turn out to be.

00:19:38
Speaker 7: Thought was going to be great. God, there have been a whole bunch of them.

00:19:43
Speaker 6: I don't have one off the top of my head Dan that I was like, oh my god, I thought this guy was going to be unbelievable. I mean there's been there been a bunch that. You know, we scratched our heads the year Anthony Bennett from YOLV was taken number one by Cleveland, Like, I didn't see that coming, But I also didn't see him him uh, being being out.

00:20:02
Speaker 7: Of the mix as quickly as he was.

00:20:05
Speaker 6: I didn't see the Markel Foldstein coming, Like who could have Who could have imagined that he have sort of issues that weren't related to his talent that would be uh so debilitating for him. But there have been a lot of guys that that we've over like that. The players are so young when you're evaluating them, it's hard not to over project him at times because you've seen other similar players, similar comps that did extraordinarily well, and you go, man, he fits the suit of this guy, so that that happens too. And that's why I think the longer I've done this, uh, the more I've come to come to realize for myself that you know, like we're kind of guessing here, you do the best you can, but you don't know you believe, like I believe this, Like when Lebron came out, I felt like I knew like I But but I've gone more to I really believe this.

00:21:03
Speaker 1: Who's the best player in college basketball this year?

00:21:07
Speaker 8: Uh?

00:21:07
Speaker 7: The best play?

00:21:08
Speaker 6: Well, we've got an unbelievable group of freshmen that are going to dominate the top of the draft. So BYU has got aj Debanza and Duke's got Cameron Boozer, Kansas has uh has Darren Peterson. So all these guys are going to compete for the number one pick. If I had one player I could have for a team, I would want Braden Smith to Purdue the point guard. He's the best point guard in the country. And I don't think it's close.

00:21:36
Speaker 4: Uh.

00:21:37
Speaker 6: And while a lot of people around the college space are are ringing their hands and predicting doomsday about you know that there are no rules and it's the wild world West and all that stuff, which it's not. Purdue is keeping their players and they're not they're not getting McDonald's All Americans.

00:21:56
Speaker 7: Every year, and they're winning at a really high level.

00:21:58
Speaker 6: So the idea, you can't do it in this transactional world, I love that word that work. Transactional can't have relations to the put anymore. It's all transactional, as if as if a scholarship wasn't a transaction.

00:22:12
Speaker 7: Those were transactions.

00:22:15
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:22:16
Speaker 6: But you can you can do it and quote unquote do it the right way like Matt Painter does. You don't have to you don't have to you know, sell out and all that stuff.

00:22:24
Speaker 7: It's possible.

00:22:26
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you. Always good to talk to you. Thanks Dan, Thanks body. That's Jay Billis. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live Ross Tucker Football podcast. You can follow him on social media at Ross Tucker and he has the Army Air Force game on Saturday. Then he will be in Tennessee. It'll be the Titans and the Chargers kicking off at one Eastern. Busy man, let me start with tonight, Ross Raven's favored by seven and a half. That number surprised you at all.

00:23:04
Speaker 8: A little bit? A little bit it does. I'll tell you why a couple different reasons. Number One, the Dolphins looked really good on Sunday. I don't know if that had more to do with the Dolphins or the Falcons just laying an egg, but you still had a team on the road against a decent opponent, and the Falcons and the Dolphins took him to the woodshed. Now they're playing at home on a Thursday night, and think about what we've seen in recent weeks from some of these road teams on Thursday nights. It hasn't been pretty. You know, the Steelers defense a couple of weeks ago against the Bengals, they weren't able to hold up.

00:23:43
Speaker 4: You know, we've seen a lot of weeks now where the road.

00:23:46
Speaker 8: Team on these short weeks has not been up to the vikings. Last week against the Chargers, I called that game for Western one that was a disaster. And then the Lamar Jackson factor. Dan, I know he's playing. I know that's why the Ravens are big favorites. But he wasn't healthy enough to play four days ago. They didn't play him four days ago in a game they desperately needed. So you just wonder, you know, is he one hundred percent? Can he be full throttle with that hamstring? So it does surprise me a little bit.

00:24:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, Can Mike McDaniel win his way out of this mess and save his job?

00:24:24
Speaker 4: I doubt it. I mean he can.

00:24:27
Speaker 8: You know if they went out the rest of the season, sure, do I think that's gonna happen? No, I think it's surprising that they were able to play as well as they did against the Falcons. I gotta be honest with you, Dan, I kind of thought, I don't want to say that those guys had packed it in, but I kind of thought the Dolphins number one were going to be sellers at the trade deadline, and they still might be with edge rushers like Jalen Phillips or Bradley Chubb.

00:24:54
Speaker 4: But also it felt like everybody.

00:24:57
Speaker 8: Knew that Mike meet daniel was getting fired and that Steven Ross just wasn't doing it because he didn't want to take the chance that the interim head coach would have a lot of success. Yeah, and that they would feel compelled to hire him. But it kind of felt like Mike McDaniel was a dead man walking. He probably still is. So kudos to the Dolphins players and leaders for the way they played on Sunday. I mean, they fought for him, if that's why they were playing, and I guess you know that they still are keeping this thing alive if they can get some momentum.

00:25:29
Speaker 4: I doubt it, but we'll find out.

00:25:31
Speaker 1: The Falcons, and I've used this comparison and maybe it's unfair, but they're kind of the Chargers of the East Coast or the South where we every year we go. Man, they got weapons. Man, they're going to be good now, I know the Chargers have had injuries, but I don't. I mean, how do you explain the Falcons.

00:25:51
Speaker 4: I can't.

00:25:52
Speaker 8: I can't mean they lost thirty to nothing to the kill and the Panthers earlier in the year. You know, Dan, I have a betting podcast, the Even Money Betting Podcasts.

00:26:01
Speaker 4: The Falcons are banned that they're on my band list now, Okay.

00:26:06
Speaker 8: Every time I'm like, oh, I start to believe in the Falcons and I place a bet on them on the show, they end up totally laying an egg out of nowhere that you're not expecting. So they're on the band list. You know what, I really don't understand if you ask the running backs around the NFL, and look, Jonathan Taylor is have an amazing year, but you talk with like Saquon and some of these guys, they are blown away by jon Robinson.

00:26:34
Speaker 4: That should be.

00:26:35
Speaker 8: The focal point of the Falcons offense every week. They should do with Bijon what Kyle Shanahan does with Christian McCaffrey. And yet there will be these games like this past Sunday, where did Bijon have get the ball seven times in the game?

00:26:54
Speaker 4: I mean, that should just.

00:26:55
Speaker 8: Never ever happen, and I don't know how the Falcons allow it to.

00:27:00
Speaker 1: You got the Chiefs against the Bills, and I know we want to make this a rivalry. It was kind of like the Red Sox and Yankees many many years ago, when the Yankees kept beating the Red Sox, and I said, it's not a rivalry until the Red Sox win. Buffalo can win the regular season, but this is an a rivalry until you win in the postseason, in my opinion, you agree, I do agree.

00:27:23
Speaker 8: You know, it reminds me of when I was playing This is Peyton Manning and the Colts against Tom Brady and the Patriots. They could not get over the hump. They would you know, the Colts would win the regular season matchups sometimes, but then in the playoffs when it mattered, New England would just always find a way to get it done. And it looked like that was going to be the case in the two thousand and six AFC Championship Game, and then the Colts said enough was enough and they made enough plays to win that game and then go on to win the Super Bowl. I thought maybe that would be the case with the Bills in the postseason last year.

00:27:59
Speaker 4: I thought it was a great opportunity. They weren't able to.

00:28:02
Speaker 8: Do it, you know, and on some token, you know, do you know the Bills have beaten the Chiefs in the regular season every year but one, and then the Chiefs beat the Bills in the playoffs.

00:28:12
Speaker 4: So on the one hand, Dan, I think some Bills fans probably.

00:28:15
Speaker 8: Look at it and say, you know what, I'd rather lose to him in the regular season, give us the better chance in the playoffs. The problem with that is the Bills now have competition in their own division. They haven't had it in a while, and now they're going to be fighting, you know, tooth and nail to the death now against the New England Patriots. So they can't afford to lose this game and say we'll beat him in the playoffs. You lose this game, now you're looking up even further at the Patriots in the standings.

00:28:48
Speaker 1: We're talking to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football Podcast and you can follow him at Ross Tucker NFL. You've got an air force, an army on noon at noon Eastern on Saturday, and you get on a flight and you go to Tennessee for the Titans and the Chargers, I've said this, I'm kind of on the warpath with this. If cam Ward had a better social following, you know, like if he was more popular, I think people would be talking more about how bad he's played, sort of like they did with Caleb Williams, because Caleb Williams had a you know, he got clicks. Cam Ward doesn't get clicks. But he's the number one overall pick in the draft. And I find that interesting that if Caleb Williams was in Tennessee and was having these numbers, we'd be crushing Caleb Williams. We don't even talk about cam Ward of the Titans.

00:29:41
Speaker 8: Why, you know, I don't know the answer to that, but I wonder that myself.

00:29:47
Speaker 4: I think a big part of it.

00:29:49
Speaker 8: He was really only on the college football scene for one year. You know, what he did at Incarnate Word, Nobody even knew about what he did it Washington State. You know, people really weren't paying attention. Most people didn't know who cam Ward was until he was playing last year for the Miami Hurricanes. Whereas Caleb Williams was the number one high school player in the country. He made a bunch of plays as a true freshman in Oklahoma, including in the game against Texas. Then he goes to USC, wins the Heisman his second year, is the presumptive number one pick. Even Shador Sanders got a lot more attention and a lot more clicks than cam Ward.

00:30:36
Speaker 4: He's just kind of been under the radar. And then he didn't go to a big market team.

00:30:40
Speaker 8: He didn't go to the Bears or an LA team, or the Giants or the Jets.

00:30:46
Speaker 4: He went to the Titans.

00:30:47
Speaker 8: This combination of a guy that's been overshadowed in college by the Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and even Shador Sanders, and then he goes to a team that's not good at all in one of the smallest markets in the NFL, you know, and people don't talk about him much.

00:31:04
Speaker 4: And I think that's why it's going under the radar.

00:31:06
Speaker 8: What I don't know and I'm curious about, is if we had flipped Caleb.

00:31:11
Speaker 4: Williams and Cam Wood, so cam wod's.

00:31:14
Speaker 8: In a major market like Chicago, Caleb Williams is in Tennessee, certainly it would they would be a little bit closer.

00:31:22
Speaker 4: But I still don't know how much.

00:31:25
Speaker 1: The Lions got that blueprint of that, you know, they're they're signing up people before it's time for you know, that bill to be paid. They've done that with golf, they did that with Penny Sewell, they do that with Aidan Hutchinson.

00:31:39
Speaker 4: Here.

00:31:40
Speaker 1: That's a big number for Aiden Hutchinson. That catch your attention.

00:31:46
Speaker 8: It's a huge number. Two things caught my attention. Number One, this is very rare in the NFL. He benefited from getting hurt. He did because if if Hutchinson doesn't get hurt, Dan they signed him shortly after the season because he's after his third year, so they can give him an extension. And that's what they've been doing with these core guys that they really like, and rightfully so.

00:32:13
Speaker 4: But because he got hurt, I think they wanted to see how he came back from injury. They wanted to wait a little bit.

00:32:20
Speaker 8: Well, in the meantime, Crosby got a new deal, Miles Garrett got a new deal, TJ. Watt got a new deal, and then Micah Parson set the bar really high. So Hutchinson is one of the only guys I've ever seen that benefited from a really bad injury. As in terms of the way the Lions are going about it. They're getting a lot of credit for it. Dan, it's the Eagles model that the Eagles basically invented this, which is, as soon as you know one of the guys you drafted is a core guy that you went around for the long term, you sign him as soon as possible because then you spread the cap pain over the entire length of deal.

00:33:03
Speaker 4: So let's talk about Hutchinson.

00:33:05
Speaker 8: Right, he has half a year left on the fourth year of his rookie deal. They had already picked up his fifth year option, so then you tag on those four years. He just signed to year six, seven, eight, and nine, right, So it's a big number, but the cap pain will be spread out over five and a half years, including the big signing bonus now, as opposed to just the four year extension. It makes it a lot easier to have a lot of talented guys on your roster.

00:33:40
Speaker 4: It's why the Bengals and the.

00:33:42
Speaker 8: Cowboys keep screwing up and have all these type of cap issues, and why teams like the Eagles and the Lions they get way ahead of it.

00:33:51
Speaker 4: Now. The negative is if.

00:33:52
Speaker 8: Those guys start to get hurt or those guys start to play poorly. You're stuck because you pro rated so much of that money out over future years.

00:34:03
Speaker 1: You cover college football. Leave you with this. The Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry cold reporters yesterday that LSU athletic director Scott Woodward would not be involved in the coaching search and saying that he would let President Donald Trump do it before the athletic director. What could go wrong in this situation? Ross?

00:34:25
Speaker 8: I mean, this is why college football, especially in the South, is so amazing, because.

00:34:32
Speaker 4: I do think it is the case. I don't know exactly the inner workings, Dan, but I do think it is the case at a state.

00:34:40
Speaker 8: University that ultimately the governor oversees it. I know, like in Pennsylvania where I reside, the governor is able to allocate three or five spots.

00:34:51
Speaker 4: To the board at penn State.

00:34:52
Speaker 8: So I don't know exactly the dynamic between the president university and the governor of a state, but that is a I mean, if you're publicly saying that the ad is not going to pick the football coach, that reminds me of like the movie office Space, like the like the.

00:35:10
Speaker 4: Consulting to come in talk to the A D. What what is it would you say.

00:35:14
Speaker 1: That you do here?

00:35:15
Speaker 8: Like if you don't pick the if you don't pick the football coach, you might as well just fire the a D. I don't even know what he's doing anymore if he's not the guy picking the football coach.

00:35:24
Speaker 1: Safe travels, Rachel Talk. Do you have a good weekend?

00:35:26
Speaker 4: Always?

00:35:27
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dan h Rush Tucker