Nintendo Goes After Switch Emulator Ryujinx

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<v Speaker 2>nice emulator. Here would be a shame if something happened
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<v Speaker 2>All right, we have a lot to get into, so
<v Speaker 2>let's start the Morning Mess with. Nintendo has reportedly shut
<v Speaker 2>down Ryo Jinks, the switch emulator that was supposedly immune.
<v Speaker 2>This is from Sean Hollister at The Verge. Nintendo may
<v Speaker 2>have just won its battle to put the most popular
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo switch emulators out of business. In March, it sued
<v Speaker 2>Yuzu out of existence, and now it may have convinced
<v Speaker 2>Yuzu's primary competitor, Rio Jinks to go away too. Rio
<v Speaker 2>Jinks's download page is now empty. It's gethub page is gone,
<v Speaker 2>and the emulator's Twitter, social media page and official discord
<v Speaker 2>now contains a possible explanation. Nintendo got to its lead
<v Speaker 2>developer and convinced them to shut the project down for
<v Speaker 2>good yesterday gd This is a quote here. Yesterday g
<v Speaker 2>d k Chan was contacted by Nintendo and offered an
<v Speaker 2>agreement to stop working on the project, remove the organization
<v Speaker 2>and all related assets he's in control of. And that's
<v Speaker 2>from a moderator and developer, rinpin Perry Perry on discord
<v Speaker 2>while waiting the confrom it. Yeah, just so, of course. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they're always Rinpined Perry Perry out there doing their thing
<v Speaker 2>while awaiting confirmation on whether he would take this agreement.
<v Speaker 2>The organization has been removed, so I think it's safe
<v Speaker 2>to say what the outcome is. The rest of pen
<v Speaker 2>Perry Perry's message is a eulogy for the project, including
<v Speaker 2>a pair of videos showing the reujincs team's progress on
<v Speaker 2>iosn Android ports of the Nintendo Switch Emulator, among other
<v Speaker 2>core changes, ones that will now presumably never ship. Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>would not confirm or deny to the Verge that it
<v Speaker 2>made a deal with the developer instead, Nintendo spokesperson Eddie
<v Speaker 2>Garcia mysteriously pointed to the Entertainment Software Association's head of
<v Speaker 2>Public Affairs, Aubrey Quinn, who said she then couldn't speak
<v Speaker 2>on behalf of Nintendo. So the run around is what
<v Speaker 2>happened there. Compared compared to u Zu Ryu, Jinks was
<v Speaker 2>thought to be relatively untouchable. Rumor had it that lead
<v Speaker 2>developer GdK Chan was based in emulation friendly Brazil, though
<v Speaker 2>I never found proof of that when reporting on the
<v Speaker 2>plate of the emulator world earlier this year. Certainly we
<v Speaker 2>never heard about a lawsuit against Ria Jinks, Nor did
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo go after its discord server or DMCA, its GitHub
<v Speaker 2>or its gethub as we saw with other switch emulators.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of this is generally speaking, broadly speaking, emulators
<v Speaker 2>are legal.
<v Speaker 1>They a it's a legal piece of software.
<v Speaker 2>There's a bunch of reasons why that that is the case,
<v Speaker 2>including settled court cases from like two thousand. I think
<v Speaker 2>the thinking goes back to like when x eighty six,
<v Speaker 2>when a bunch of computers were like, hey, we're going
<v Speaker 2>when Windows is like, hey we are IBM compatible, that
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. A lot I think a lot of
<v Speaker 2>the thinking goes all the way back to that in general,
<v Speaker 2>but broadly speaking, emulators are legal, which is why Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>didn't directly threaten to sue here, and honestly, it's why
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo didn't directly threaten to sue Yuzuo about emulation. They
<v Speaker 2>were saying, hey, your your Patreon and stuff makes references
<v Speaker 2>to Nintendo owned IP, so we're suing you for copyright infringemen. Now,
<v Speaker 2>all that said, Nintendo could still sue, and they probably
<v Speaker 2>could build a case saying hey, no, the copyright protection
<v Speaker 2>that we have inside of the switch is different, and
<v Speaker 2>it's actually impossible to make an emulator without violating our
<v Speaker 2>copyright or something along those lines that you know, there's
<v Speaker 2>new rules all the time that could be so could
<v Speaker 2>be made into precedent in court. But broadly speaking, and
<v Speaker 2>the way Nintendo's behaving suggests that even Nintendo seems to
<v Speaker 2>think that emulators are legal regardless of where GdK Chan lives,
<v Speaker 2>which is why they went to him and said I
<v Speaker 2>went to them and said, hey, wouldn't be nice if
<v Speaker 2>you just shut this thing down instead of us suing you,
<v Speaker 2>which seems to be like, we don't know if that's
<v Speaker 2>exactly how it went could have been cash, because they
<v Speaker 2>could have gave him cash. They could have I mean,
<v Speaker 2>but it's like, at that point, if they're going to
<v Speaker 2>give them cash, why not just buy the emulator or
<v Speaker 2>outright and own It doesn't seem like that's what happened here. Instead,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's an open source project.
<v Speaker 1>Whatever. They could still buy the work.
<v Speaker 2>It seems like what they did here was throw their
<v Speaker 2>weight around because they don't want this thing to exist,
<v Speaker 2>regardless of its legal right for it.
<v Speaker 1>To exist, and it's thuggish behavior it is.
<v Speaker 2>I find it pretty despicable because Nintendo, all these companies,
<v Speaker 2>they don't respect their own past in a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 2>We get their museum, and as much as I find
<v Speaker 2>that museum fascinating, it's not like, hey, we're preserving beta
<v Speaker 2>versions of games and showing you all that stuff. It's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>here's a bunch of toys to play with. So who
<v Speaker 2>does that work? The people who make emulators, and Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want them to exist because they view it as
<v Speaker 2>some kind of vague threat to their business, even though
<v Speaker 2>they're making more money than ever every year.
<v Speaker 1>I find this very frustrating. Frustrating. Jason, how about.
<v Speaker 3>You and I'm I'm curious why now, Like, what is
<v Speaker 3>it about now that they've decided this year is the
<v Speaker 3>year they're going to start going after all these switch emulators.
<v Speaker 3>Is it because they're afraid that this software between switch
<v Speaker 3>and switch to is so close that maybe they can
<v Speaker 3>just update it to switch to immediately and have that
<v Speaker 3>out faster than the switch emulators. I don't understand it,
<v Speaker 3>but I agree with you. I feel like this is
<v Speaker 3>really hampering people who just want to play the games
<v Speaker 3>they like to play, however they want to play them.
<v Speaker 3>The people who are who are you know, maybe either
<v Speaker 3>don't trust the switch, Like I have a Launch switch
<v Speaker 3>and I don't know how much longer it's going to last.
<v Speaker 3>So if I had the ability to play games on
<v Speaker 3>the switch elsewhere through the emulator, especially if I own
<v Speaker 3>the games already and it's not like I'm just downloading
<v Speaker 3>games I don't own, that's piracy. He can't do that, right, No,
<v Speaker 3>not at all. If I have a physical copy of
<v Speaker 3>a game and I want to play it on Steam Deck,
<v Speaker 3>let's say, or the Lenovo leedia Go, I should be
<v Speaker 3>allowed to do that. I bought the game, I should
<v Speaker 3>be able to play it. However, I want, but Nintendo
<v Speaker 3>or whatever reason that we'll probably never understand, doesn't seem
<v Speaker 3>to think that way. And I'm curious if if the
<v Speaker 3>new president, Doug Bowser, has sort of like got his
<v Speaker 3>fingers in this too, because again, I feel like since
<v Speaker 3>he has taken over the ship, I've heard a lot
<v Speaker 3>more stories of Nintendo getting litigious. So I'm genuinely wondering
<v Speaker 3>if maybe he has some or he has some sort
<v Speaker 3>of knowledge that he's maybe it starts at the top,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, But again I agree with you. I
<v Speaker 3>think people they weren't doing anything illegal. They were doing
<v Speaker 3>something that the company doesn't like, and the company was
<v Speaker 3>basically just finding loopholes to stop it without directly saying
<v Speaker 3>you know, we think this is you know, illegal, when
<v Speaker 3>it's not, as you said, because they have to find
<v Speaker 3>all these workarounds, all these side routes. I don't think
<v Speaker 3>that they find that emulation is illegal either. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>mean it has to go these separate routes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The lawyers, of course, are going to present the strongest
<v Speaker 2>case whenever they can, and if it's not directly about
<v Speaker 2>suing the existence of emulation, it's because they don't think
<v Speaker 2>that's a strong case.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think there's a lot of speculation that
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the recent moves from Nintendo which have
<v Speaker 2>a similar tenor to them of going after retro game
<v Speaker 2>course something we talked about for you know, showing the
<v Speaker 2>MiG switch and now not just going after that video,
<v Speaker 2>going after kind of anything that might like even veer
<v Speaker 2>in that direction from retro game core YouTuber who does
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff about classic or a retro gaming
<v Speaker 2>devices that come from China and stuff like that. They
<v Speaker 2>don't get them from those videos, but they did get
<v Speaker 2>them for one that was like showing what to do
<v Speaker 2>with your we you now and how to hack that up.
<v Speaker 2>Even though we you not a going concern for Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>in any real way, Nintendo has given that channel to
<v Speaker 2>copyright strikes. People think, Okay, Nintendo seems to be amping
<v Speaker 2>up all of it's going after everybody with its law firm,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's internal law firm, because they're getting ready
<v Speaker 2>to launch the Switch to, and the Switch to very
<v Speaker 2>likely going to be very reliant on the continuation of
<v Speaker 2>the Switch library backward compatibility, and so Nintendo, I think,
<v Speaker 2>is like we want the games that have sold on
<v Speaker 2>Switch to continue to sell on switch to and with minimal,
<v Speaker 2>you know, input from us in terms of updating them
<v Speaker 2>or representing them as switch to games. And the best
<v Speaker 2>way to do that is for people to believe like
<v Speaker 2>this is the one and only way to play these
<v Speaker 2>things and whatever. Protecting their market is their right to
<v Speaker 2>a certain extent. It's just like when then they come
<v Speaker 2>around and be like, well, these emulators exist and that's
<v Speaker 2>a problem for us, and so okay, that's your problem.
<v Speaker 2>These things are are legal and should be allowed to exist,
<v Speaker 2>and they also provide long term preservation that I'm interested in.
<v Speaker 2>And you are destroying this scene because of anxieties that
<v Speaker 2>you've built up that that that might not actually be
<v Speaker 2>a problem, because again it seems like your products sell
<v Speaker 2>just fine. Regardless of the instance of the things we're
<v Speaker 2>going to pull today is going to be have you
<v Speaker 2>used Yuzu or Reo Jinx. I bet that the number
<v Speaker 2>replies saying yes is actually going to be surprisingly small.
<v Speaker 2>We'll see, maybe it'll be higher for this audience. But
<v Speaker 2>even so, we can look at the numbers of how
<v Speaker 2>games sell and to see how Nintendo games perform, and
<v Speaker 2>it does not like looking at them at them on
<v Speaker 2>the surface relative to everyone else selling video games. If
<v Speaker 2>you like only had that data, you'd be like, well,
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo must have no emulators. There must be no emulators
<v Speaker 2>for these things, and no way to play these games
<v Speaker 2>pirate because everyone's buying these games. They're buying Mario Kart
<v Speaker 2>over and over and over again. What's going on here?
<v Speaker 2>So it's hard to empathize with Nintendo's position here because
<v Speaker 2>it's so strong and it is and again it is
<v Speaker 2>going to someone who is probably doing something that is
<v Speaker 2>legally protected and saying we might who cares, We might
<v Speaker 2>still sue you, and that would suck for you, So
<v Speaker 2>just stop it or else we're going to get mad
<v Speaker 2>at you and make your life a hell and that
<v Speaker 2>continues to suck, and switch too comes out or not,
<v Speaker 2>Like Nintendo does not need to behave this way to
<v Speaker 2>protect this successive switch to right.
<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. As you said, the people are
<v Speaker 3>going to be emulating games that have already sold fifty
<v Speaker 3>million copies. And if they're made at people for emulating
<v Speaker 3>Mario Kart eight Deluxe on their PC, why like how
<v Speaker 3>much is it worth one or two more sales? Like
<v Speaker 3>how much? How much ringing of the wet towel. Are
<v Speaker 3>you doing here or do you think you need to do?
<v Speaker 3>Is it it? Just it becomes this more universal like
<v Speaker 3>line must go up philosophy that the world seems to
<v Speaker 3>have adopted now must always go up, when in reality,
<v Speaker 3>games like Animal Crossing and Mario Kart and Tears of
<v Speaker 3>the Kingdom, and those games are the top of the
<v Speaker 3>list of the switch sales chart are not clearly not
<v Speaker 3>affected by the fact that people can emulate them because
<v Speaker 3>people are still buying them. I now, I come from
<v Speaker 3>this as someone who doesn't use emulators, not because I
<v Speaker 3>don't want to, but because most of the time I
<v Speaker 3>can't figure them out. But that doesn't mean I don't
<v Speaker 3>think they should exist. Like, if that's how you want
<v Speaker 3>to play your game, it's how you should be able
<v Speaker 3>to play a game, especially, like I said earlier, if
<v Speaker 3>you have the physical game in your collection.
<v Speaker 2>Right right, and there's there are there are laws against
<v Speaker 2>people downloading games that you like.
<v Speaker 1>That is DMCA violation. Even if you own the game.
<v Speaker 2>You can't download game because you can't transfer stuff over
<v Speaker 2>the Internet that is copyrighted. That is doucing a copy
<v Speaker 2>of something that is specifically copyright infringement.
<v Speaker 1>But if you back up your own stuff. Whatever.
<v Speaker 2>I recognize that people are using these things for piracy
<v Speaker 2>and that's and that is what they're worried about here,
<v Speaker 2>but again that there are Okay, use the laws available
<v Speaker 2>to you to do something about that, and they have.
<v Speaker 2>They've shut down a bunch of rohms sites, and they've
<v Speaker 2>had the SRB going after the long running ROM compilation libraries,
<v Speaker 2>and so I also hate that, but whatever, I get
<v Speaker 2>that that is their right, and that is you know,
<v Speaker 2>you can't host a bunch of ROMs from Nintendo on
<v Speaker 2>the website without violating the law. And if Nintendo decides
<v Speaker 2>to come after you, well there's not much we could
<v Speaker 2>do in that case. But it's like, I thought we
<v Speaker 2>were respecting that, and so when it came to emulation,
<v Speaker 2>they would have to kind of let something go and
<v Speaker 2>be like, Okay, well we can't do anything about the
<v Speaker 2>emulator itself, but we can fight piracy. And I'm like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm I have accepted that. I know a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people don't love that, and I don't love it, but
<v Speaker 2>I've accept that. Them crossing this line just feels like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>they must be trying to get super aggressive so they
<v Speaker 2>can kind of clear the landscape of any suggestion of hey,
<v Speaker 2>maybe we should get together make a start working on
<v Speaker 2>an emulator for switch to. I think that'll be a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people that might have thought that will be
<v Speaker 2>a lot more hesitant, at least, like the top of
<v Speaker 2>the line people who were very good at building Dolphin
<v Speaker 2>and then and then Simu and then Uzoo and Reu drinks,
<v Speaker 2>those people have now been scared away largely. And that's
<v Speaker 2>I think it's exactly what Nintendo wants is for them
<v Speaker 2>to clear the runway for the switch to and reset
<v Speaker 2>the clock in such a hard way that it will
<v Speaker 2>that the creation of a switch to emulator will take
<v Speaker 2>that much longer. Now will it actually take that much longer,
<v Speaker 2>We'll see, because you know, all all in all likelihood,
<v Speaker 2>it is going to be sort of a follow up
<v Speaker 2>to the switch hardware. It will be more powerful, It
<v Speaker 2>will be like a new generation. They will have to
<v Speaker 2>do some stuff to get switch games to run on
<v Speaker 2>the switch to because it will be so much more
<v Speaker 2>advanced and a different generation. But the lineage they will
<v Speaker 2>probably make it so something that is a successor to
<v Speaker 2>use you will very easily be able to run switch too.
<v Speaker 2>But again, Nintendo is. I think that's what they're worried about,
<v Speaker 2>and what all of these decisions have been about.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they're they're stopping active development, they're stopping the
<v Speaker 3>current distribution, but the ones that have already been distributed
<v Speaker 3>are still out there, so all those source files, all
<v Speaker 3>that stuff is still available to the people who are
<v Speaker 3>developing them. And yeah, when Switch two comes out, to
<v Speaker 3>Zoo might not be very far behind and they just
<v Speaker 3>try and do it all over again. Yeah, this whole
<v Speaker 3>thing sucks. It does suck. And for some people, you
<v Speaker 3>know again piracy and all that, but maybe this is
<v Speaker 3>the only way they can try a Switch game, and
<v Speaker 3>maybe they, I don't know what the stats are, day
<v Speaker 3>try a Switch game this way and go buy their
<v Speaker 3>own switch and get the game anyway.
<v Speaker 2>So one day it definitely will be true, this will
<v Speaker 2>be the only way to play games from most of
<v Speaker 2>these will exist because you know, even if even if
<v Speaker 2>you can find a which though they they'll probably be
<v Speaker 2>very expensive or broken down. And you're a kid growing
<v Speaker 2>up in a place that doesn't have easy access to
<v Speaker 2>this stuff and you want to learn about games, and
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years from now, the emulator will be the
<v Speaker 2>way to do that, and that's the way it has
<v Speaker 2>been and should be in my opinion, and Nintendo is
<v Speaker 2>specifically throwing roadblocks into that process, which I think is
<v Speaker 2>not something. Obviously a lot of that stuff is not
<v Speaker 2>legally enshrined when it comes to technically piracy, but the
<v Speaker 2>emulation side, for the most part, broadly speaking, was and
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Nintendo doesn't respect that makes me lose
<v Speaker 2>respect for Nintendo.
<v Speaker 1>Not that like I was going around with like deep
<v Speaker 1>respect for this corporation.
<v Speaker 2>I like their games, I like the people that make them,
<v Speaker 2>but as a corporation they have been ruthless and it
<v Speaker 2>is embarrassing I think.
<v Speaker 3>Recently ruthless too, which again ruthless. Yeah, it's it's like
<v Speaker 3>I said, frustrating.
<v Speaker 2>But they're going to make it up to everybody because
<v Speaker 2>game Boy Advanced Nintendo Switch Online adds F zero GP
<v Speaker 2>Legend and F zero Climax on October eleventh. This is
<v Speaker 2>from Sal Ramano at Gamatsu. Game Boy Advanced Nintendo Switch
<v Speaker 2>Online will add F zero GP Legend and F zero
<v Speaker 2>Climax on October eleventh. F zero GP Legend first launched
<v Speaker 2>on November twenty eight to two thousand and three in Japan,
<v Speaker 2>followed by June fourth, two s and four in Europe
<v Speaker 2>and September twenty two, that's four in North America. F
<v Speaker 2>zero Climax first launched in October two thousand and four
<v Speaker 2>in Japan and was not released in the Western world,
<v Speaker 2>so this will be the first time it is released
<v Speaker 2>in on me get the headlines. Sure, I'll turn the
<v Speaker 2>headlines on for y'all if you really want it.
<v Speaker 1>That is the.
<v Speaker 2>I've played these on emulation, actually specifically specifically.
<v Speaker 1>Climax because it never came out here.
<v Speaker 2>They're pretty good games, but they also I think they
<v Speaker 2>signify what is going on with F zero in terms
<v Speaker 2>of they kind of ran out of steam with the
<v Speaker 2>ideas and thought like, Okay, maybe we'll just kind of
<v Speaker 2>base one of these on the anime and and that
<v Speaker 2>will get people back into it, and they kind of
<v Speaker 2>trailed off, and then that led to us not getting
<v Speaker 2>a new F zero game until F zero ninety nine,
<v Speaker 2>which is fantastic. But yeah, this is in the fifty
<v Speaker 2>dollars Nintendo Expansion Tier, and I don't think it's going
<v Speaker 2>to do too much for too many people, but I'm
<v Speaker 2>glad they're there.
<v Speaker 3>What do you think I think that? Sorry? To be distracted,
<v Speaker 3>but she Nolan just gave me an emote and that
<v Speaker 3>is an honor.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, look at that.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for that. Holy shit, I'm gonnactually cry.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's beautiful.
<v Speaker 3>I want to know if are they are they does
<v Speaker 3>a Switch run this on emulation? I'm genuinely curious. Switch
<v Speaker 3>runs zero games. That's the Game Boy Advance simulators is
<v Speaker 3>what they use. Yes, and Nintendo would certainly like they
<v Speaker 3>make their own stuff a lot of times, most of
<v Speaker 3>the time when it comes to emulation, and they have
<v Speaker 3>all the documentation and they have very good engineers. Nintendo
<v Speaker 3>Europe Research and Development I think does a lot of
<v Speaker 3>that work. But it wouldn't surprise me if the people
<v Speaker 3>that are very much into building emulators from Nintendo are
<v Speaker 3>part of a wider community of people who've learned this
<v Speaker 3>stuff over time and come from a seedier side of
<v Speaker 3>all that in terms of where they got their start.
<v Speaker 3>So yes, all and also too, I love how they're
<v Speaker 3>doing everything they can, with the exception of ninety nine,
<v Speaker 3>to give us F zero without giving us a new modern,
<v Speaker 3>you know, buckoo crazy F zero type game. Now when
<v Speaker 3>the switch to finally gets announced, that's something that they
<v Speaker 3>announced with it, I will eat my hat, but I'm
<v Speaker 3>not wearing But yeah, it seems like they're just giving
<v Speaker 3>us all this F zero stuff and not giving us
<v Speaker 3>a new zero, which is what people actually want.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I was definitely like wanting a new F zero zero
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, not the new, big budget looking F zero
<v Speaker 2>game that I think I thought I wanted. But F
<v Speaker 2>zero ninety nine is so good that I'm like, you
<v Speaker 2>know what, that is enough for me. But yeah, people
<v Speaker 2>did point out that asually in the past, We'll like
<v Speaker 2>to play into your joke, Nintendo has gotten some of
<v Speaker 2>the ROMs it's used in its collections and on some
<v Speaker 2>of these services and like on virtual console by downloading
<v Speaker 2>them from the internet basically illegally, Like Nintendo actually broke
<v Speaker 2>the law a little bit, because I think you can
<v Speaker 2>make an argument that they actually broke the law even
<v Speaker 2>though they owned the copyright for that, still that those
<v Speaker 2>transfer of doing that was not okay. I like F
<v Speaker 2>zero whatever. In terms of the Game Boy Advance Library
<v Speaker 2>on Nintendo Switch Online, there's obviously some more stuff I
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want one on there, but I've kind of lost
<v Speaker 2>the lust for it because Nintendo does not seem to
<v Speaker 2>be working with many, very many third parties on this
<v Speaker 2>project anymore so, and when they do, it's like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>Majesco and Jalico and and them over and over. By
<v Speaker 2>the time Game Boy Advance was around, they weren't putting
<v Speaker 2>out a ton of games to my memory. So it's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm I don't really have that much excitement around Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>Switch Online drops anymore.
<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about that library overall?
<v Speaker 3>I I it's too damn slow, Like I feel like
<v Speaker 3>they release game like I want to be more excited
<v Speaker 3>about it, but they are drip feeding these games on there.
<v Speaker 3>Like I get emails, I get the Nintendo press releases
<v Speaker 3>of what they're adding to Nintendo Switch Online, and it
<v Speaker 3>reminds me that the Nintendo Switch Online library even exists
<v Speaker 3>because I forget uh and a lot of the times
<v Speaker 3>there are games that like, I didn't play on the
<v Speaker 3>Super Nintendo as a kid, so I have no nostalgia
<v Speaker 3>four now like who And no offense to anyone in
<v Speaker 3>the chat who may respond, you know, who would be
<v Speaker 3>mad at me for this, but who asked for tough
<v Speaker 3>enough on the Super Nintendo, who asked for that, asked
<v Speaker 3>for that? But so like, give us I need more
<v Speaker 3>games to hook me in from this, Like what like
<v Speaker 3>the we Shop channel? I missed, the guy, I missed
<v Speaker 3>the we Shop channel so much, don't you? Oh yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 3>I mean absolutely, we Shop Wednesdays. That video welcome to
<v Speaker 3>we Shop Wednesdays and twenty twenty four everyone, uh Like
<v Speaker 3>I miss that. I miss just being able to go
<v Speaker 3>in and buy the retro game that I want and
<v Speaker 3>then you know, if there was one that I hadn't
<v Speaker 3>played in a long time, I could just spend my
<v Speaker 3>WEE points on the card that I got from work
<v Speaker 3>because I worked at a certain gaming related retailer for
<v Speaker 3>five years and then went home and downloaded the stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and that was that. It was a good time. It
<v Speaker 3>was a good time. Now we have we are dependent
<v Speaker 3>and once again they're controlling the the the preservation, I
<v Speaker 3>guess would be the word I'm looking for. They're telling us, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>we'll give you these games for free, but we'll tell
<v Speaker 3>you what games you're going to get for free. You're
<v Speaker 3>not going to have any choice in the matter. We're
<v Speaker 3>not going to make them separately available to people who
<v Speaker 3>don't have the online maybe for a separate fee. Now
<v Speaker 3>we are going to tell you which retro games that
<v Speaker 3>you want to have nostalgia for on this particular month.
<v Speaker 3>And I do mean month, because that's how that's how
<v Speaker 3>off they end them out once a month.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if that's done.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So like what the hell? Oh, man, give me
<v Speaker 3>give me the Like, what am I going to do
<v Speaker 3>to play Mace the Dark Age again? I I'm the
<v Speaker 3>only one who wants to tell I can tell.
<v Speaker 2>You what you need to do, and it's it's not
<v Speaker 2>using the Nintendo Switch.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And that's where that's where I'm at with this stuff,
<v Speaker 2>is I personally do want to play these games. Often
<v Speaker 2>I am. I go back and forth about whether I
<v Speaker 2>want to be a collector. I don't really want to
<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of money on that stuff. So I'm like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm emulating, and I point people like and like, if
<v Speaker 2>you really care about this stuff, that's still the answer.
<v Speaker 2>And so Nintenna Switch Online is something I forget about
<v Speaker 2>these days until something like this happens and they drop
<v Speaker 2>something and it's like, okay, let's look at this again.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, Okay, I guess I'm glad these games are
<v Speaker 2>there for the very casual audiences that maybe are subscribed
<v Speaker 2>and check in on this stuff and want to have
<v Speaker 2>some glimpse at the history. But if anyone does have
<v Speaker 2>a more robust taste than that for for retro games,
<v Speaker 2>the switch is not the answer and it's it's exactly
<v Speaker 2>what you said the drip feed. They are not working
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of third party partners. There's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of obvious big omissions do doo, Nintendo not wanting to
<v Speaker 2>do two not do doo due to Nintendo not wanting
<v Speaker 2>to pay money to like Square Enix.
<v Speaker 1>And all that.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I hope that part of this sort of
<v Speaker 2>sputtering out of Nintendo Switch Online is part of everything
<v Speaker 2>that it feels like you can attribute Nintendo's current situation too,
<v Speaker 2>and that is well, once Switch Too is around, they
<v Speaker 2>will reinvigorate this and they will maybe settle down on
<v Speaker 2>all their lawsuits. But I'm not getting my hopes of Jason.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what do you think?
<v Speaker 3>Neither am I? And I'm excited for the next drop
<v Speaker 3>to be from the veritable Nintendo developer LJN because everybody
<v Speaker 3>loves those games. Of course, Yeah, no I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I would.
<v Speaker 3>I almost don't want this anymore, like or if you're
<v Speaker 3>going to do this, have the the we shop retro
<v Speaker 3>store sort of thing with it, to give me the
<v Speaker 3>option to buy the things you don't want to put
<v Speaker 3>on or that are too expensive, to partner with them
<v Speaker 3>to make them free, if that's what's happening, and then
<v Speaker 3>give me the opportunity to maybe buy them for a
<v Speaker 3>small fee on the side. Yep, I don't know. I
<v Speaker 3>preservation to me, and as you've made clear, is far
<v Speaker 3>too important to be treated like this. Yeah, both in
<v Speaker 3>the first story that we talked about at now this one,
<v Speaker 3>and I just it's it's depressing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's where I'm like, we had the equilibrium
<v Speaker 2>before this. Okay, Nintendo, you're not gonna be the ones
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna look to for this sort of preservation, just
<v Speaker 2>like all these other corporations. I don't think you're some
<v Speaker 2>outlier here. In fact, maybe you're on aggregate a little
<v Speaker 2>bit better than some of these other corporations when it
<v Speaker 2>comes to preserve in your history.
<v Speaker 1>Whatever. It's still not good enough, So fine, we will.
<v Speaker 1>We'll do it ourselves. And there's a community out there
<v Speaker 1>doing themselves.
<v Speaker 2>And now Nintendo is running in a wrecking ball through
<v Speaker 2>that and it's yeah, it sucks. It sucks, and I
<v Speaker 2>will I mean, and you know for all this Heyrio
<v Speaker 2>Jinks and you who have been shut down, you're gonna
<v Speaker 2>be able to find those emulators online. You could still
<v Speaker 2>find another Metrod to remake something Nintendo shut down very
<v Speaker 2>quickly after it released. You could find that online and
<v Speaker 2>stuff that. There's there's ways can you continue to find
<v Speaker 2>these things?
<v Speaker 1>They just go.
<v Speaker 2>Underground if they get updated, it's by entirely new teams.
<v Speaker 2>There's forks of all these projects. Nintendo's not going to
<v Speaker 2>really be able to stop it, which is why it's like, yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>they're running a wrecking ball and just creating chaos so
<v Speaker 2>that it feels more difficult for more people.
<v Speaker 1>And so it's like if.
<v Speaker 2>Ten percent of gamers are like I get this emulation stuff,
<v Speaker 2>Look how easy it is. I could just install mu
<v Speaker 2>deck on my Steam Deck and it's just going to
<v Speaker 2>install reujinks for me, and then I just got to
<v Speaker 2>provide this code in this code. Okay, I'll watch a
<v Speaker 2>YouTube video. I could do that once they make it.
<v Speaker 2>So okay, well, now for m you Deck, you've got
<v Speaker 2>to provide your own reuginks and go out there it's like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>well that number drops from ten percent of gamers to
<v Speaker 2>now maybe five percent of gamers that feel comfortable doing that.
<v Speaker 2>That's a huge number of people, and that's what the
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo's just playing that numbers game, trying to maximize them
<v Speaker 2>the number of people that feel like they have.
<v Speaker 1>To go to Nintendo to get their games, which is
<v Speaker 1>what they want. Yeah, all right, let's see here, let's
<v Speaker 1>take a quit break.
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, Nintendo apparently is to thank for
<v Speaker 2>a new Professor Layton game. We have some more info
<v Speaker 2>about ub soft and white it delayed Assassin's Creed Shadows
<v Speaker 2>and more.
<v Speaker 1>Right after this there.
<v Speaker 2>It is, yes, all right, perfect and he's got it.
<v Speaker 2>The hat on everyone, welcome back to the show. Jason
<v Speaker 2>did get his emot and the EMO was of him
<v Speaker 2>wearing the hat from from the the Was this the
<v Speaker 2>show you were in or is this the course?
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Okay, it's the Barbershop Quartet, Yes, yeah, from back
<v Speaker 3>in April.
<v Speaker 1>Right, okay, there you go. Well it's and if.
<v Speaker 3>You thought that costume was good, and this year in April,
<v Speaker 3>we're doing the Wizard of Oz, so things go my way,
<v Speaker 3>my kid, little cowardly.
<v Speaker 1>Up and here. Yeah, let's go. I would have guessed
<v Speaker 1>them like that would be awesome. All right, let's get
<v Speaker 1>into this.
<v Speaker 2>Level five CEO implies Nintendo is to thank for Professor
<v Speaker 2>Layton's comeback. This is from Jim Norman at Nintendo Life.
<v Speaker 2>Professor Layton and the New World of Steam was one
<v Speaker 2>of the big biggest surprise at announcements of twenty twenty three.
<v Speaker 2>While the return of Level five's polite Professor might have
<v Speaker 2>felt like a no brainer to some, it appears that
<v Speaker 2>the studio was initially hesitant about a comeback, that is,
<v Speaker 2>until a certain big until until certain big names in
<v Speaker 2>the industry started pushing for it. That is according to
<v Speaker 2>Level five CEO Akahiro Heino, who in a recent Tokyo
<v Speaker 2>Game show chat with Dragon Quest's Yuchi Hori, confessed that
<v Speaker 2>the team was content to leave the Layton series alone
<v Speaker 2>after it had reached a beautiful conclusion. However, Heino continues
<v Speaker 2>certain figures from the industry push for the game, including
<v Speaker 2>a mysterious company in Now, who do we think that
<v Speaker 2>could be? Yeah, it's probably Nintendo. I think here's how
<v Speaker 2>you put it. Certain individuals from the industry really wanted
<v Speaker 2>us to release a new game. We had a strong
<v Speaker 2>push coming from company in when I heard these opinions,
<v Speaker 2>I started think it would be good to make a
<v Speaker 2>new game so that fans could enjoy the series at
<v Speaker 2>the level of quality provided by.
<v Speaker 1>The latest consoles.
<v Speaker 2>And it's you know, after seeing that trailer for Professor
<v Speaker 2>Layton and the the New World Esteem, it really does
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're taking advantage of having more power and
<v Speaker 2>kind of making it look like a modern game in
<v Speaker 2>a lot of ways, especially in terms of the quality
<v Speaker 2>of the animations and all that stuff. And it just
<v Speaker 2>looks robust compared to the DS games. And I would
<v Speaker 2>have been fine with here's something that looks exactly like
<v Speaker 2>the DS games, but now it's on Switch and it
<v Speaker 2>seems like they're doing a lot more than that. So
<v Speaker 2>very cool. I'm a big Professor Layton fan. I like
<v Speaker 2>those games a lot. I was excited about this, so
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it's making a return. I do wonder it's like,
<v Speaker 2>why does Nintendo want it back? Like maybe they just
<v Speaker 2>like it too. I don't know, it's interesting. What do
<v Speaker 2>you think.
<v Speaker 3>It's some weird whiplash in these stories today? Man, just
<v Speaker 3>do we like Nintendo? Do we hate it's a moral.
<v Speaker 2>A corporation that could that once our money, and I'll
<v Speaker 2>treat them as such. That's kind of how I want
<v Speaker 2>to figure. But no, I am with you on this.
<v Speaker 3>I think that these games still have a place, and
<v Speaker 3>I think the company n here, the obvious captain n
<v Speaker 3>let's call them, may have been so pushy for it
<v Speaker 3>because there was a time back when the first came
<v Speaker 3>out that Professor Leeton was like anonymous with the DS. Yes, right, yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 3>they were hand in hand together. So if they can
<v Speaker 3>maybe recreate that on switch or switch to and say
<v Speaker 3>you can only play these this sort of puzzle game,
<v Speaker 3>maybe it takes advantage of the switch tech in ways
<v Speaker 3>that it took advantage of the DS tech back then,
<v Speaker 3>then yes, I could absolutely see why Nintendo would think
<v Speaker 3>that's an important part of their third party portfolio. I
<v Speaker 3>am also a huge fan the third game, Unwound Future
<v Speaker 3>I think is the name of it, one of many,
<v Speaker 3>one of a ever growing list of games that actually
<v Speaker 3>made me shed a tear at the end of that
<v Speaker 3>when he says I can't go back again, I can't.
<v Speaker 3>I won't. I'm just like, yo, man, Professor, I'm so sorry.
<v Speaker 1>Pat.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those games are great. I love the puzzles. I
<v Speaker 3>love the I love I love It's just as fun
<v Speaker 3>to watch the story play out as it is to
<v Speaker 3>gather the puzzles, Like when you go through and you
<v Speaker 3>see that you missed one and I'm like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>where is this puzzle? Can't every single and you're just
<v Speaker 3>tapping away and making sure that you find every puzzle.
<v Speaker 3>I love that part of it too, the collection part
<v Speaker 3>of it. And yeah, I think there's definitely still a
<v Speaker 3>place if he know here needed a someone to talk
<v Speaker 3>him up with Professor Layton. He didn't need a company
<v Speaker 3>to do it. He could have just came to me. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I would buy every single one of them. Professor Layton
<v Speaker 3>versus Phoenix, right, let's not forget was a phenomenal crossover.
<v Speaker 3>Talk about something that needs a re remaster. Both of
<v Speaker 3>those games coming together in a way that represented both
<v Speaker 3>of them very well. Need that to come out. But anyway,
<v Speaker 3>back on Professor Layton, Yeah, just a place for it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I think that.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sorry. I think there's a place for it.
<v Speaker 2>And I think what probably happened here is if I
<v Speaker 2>start thinking about the time, the timeline and like where
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo was at when this game probably started, it was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, midway through the Switch, and I think around
<v Speaker 2>that time Nintendo was like, Okay, we've had a lot
<v Speaker 2>of growth, we said, a lot of switches, and we
<v Speaker 2>want to keep that going.
<v Speaker 1>What can we do?
<v Speaker 2>And around that time Nintendo was looking around and being like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe we should broaden the appeal, try to
<v Speaker 2>make more stuff for women and older gamers again to
<v Speaker 2>a certain extent like we did with the in the past,
<v Speaker 2>and where do we have success with that? What with
<v Speaker 2>the WE and with the DS and on the DS
<v Speaker 2>we did that touch generations, generation stuff, and I think
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo probably looked at it and saw, hey, the professor
<v Speaker 2>Layton games were kind of this. They touched all all demographics,
<v Speaker 2>like but men and women liked it, children liked it,
<v Speaker 2>All kinds of age groups enjoyed those games. It has
<v Speaker 2>a very wide appeal, and so we want something like
<v Speaker 2>that to be part of this initiative to have the
<v Speaker 2>Switch have a very a varied library of games and
<v Speaker 2>that coul contribute to it.
<v Speaker 1>So I bet that was part.
<v Speaker 2>Of what they were thinking, is like they were looking, hey,
<v Speaker 2>what is a roster of third party games that we
<v Speaker 2>wish could come back on the switch. That would help
<v Speaker 2>us make that appeal to different kinds of gamers. And
<v Speaker 2>I think Professor Layton's once like, well, it will appeal
<v Speaker 2>to gamers gamers like Professor Layton, but it will appeal
<v Speaker 2>to everybody else. And I think they're probably right about that.
<v Speaker 2>Whether or not it's gonna be able to recapture the
<v Speaker 2>magic it had during a DS, I don't know, but
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it exists because I want to play it right.
<v Speaker 3>That would depend on, again, how they utilize the switch tech.
<v Speaker 3>I think how the puzzles that you're solving, maybe you're
<v Speaker 3>moving the switch around or maybe you know that's that's
<v Speaker 3>the kind of thing that is most dependent on how
<v Speaker 3>well this thing will sell. But if they want to
<v Speaker 3>keep mining the puzzle slash mystery, well, they can go
<v Speaker 3>into their own portfolio and bring back Kyle Hyde because
<v Speaker 3>it's high time we see Hotel Dusk again too. That's
<v Speaker 3>just me.
<v Speaker 1>I would love that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it doesn't seem like I bet they like
<v Speaker 2>look at stuff like that occasionally, and that that might
<v Speaker 2>have been what led them to do Famicom mystery novels.
<v Speaker 3>But the Club Detective.
<v Speaker 2>Club, and they're like Okay, we want to like again,
<v Speaker 2>have a different kind of game for a different kind
<v Speaker 2>of person and this can fit into that. And they're like, well, okay,
<v Speaker 2>maybe we can also do Hotel Desk and like, oh, well,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do the Famicom Detective Club. Do we have
<v Speaker 2>anyone that could work on Hotel Desk? It's like, man, ever,
<v Speaker 2>developer's busy. So I think that's a lot of times
<v Speaker 2>I think these games aren't in a lineup for consideration,
<v Speaker 2>and what stops them from getting made is do we
<v Speaker 2>have anyone that can actually do it? And uh, And
<v Speaker 2>then that's why I think that's why that they would
<v Speaker 2>like start looking around to third party partners. But it
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it be cool if if you over there their
<v Speaker 2>Level five brought back Professor Layton Because they can just
<v Speaker 2>say that, and then now this other team's got to
<v Speaker 2>do all the work and someone else has to pay
<v Speaker 2>for it.
<v Speaker 1>I bet Nintendo loves that part of it.
<v Speaker 2>Ubisoft developers pushed for Assassin's Creed Shadows delay. This is
<v Speaker 2>from Blair Marnell at GameSpot. Until late last month, Assassin's
<v Speaker 2>Creed Shadows was slated to be released in November of
<v Speaker 2>this year. Ubisoft subsequently made the surprise announcement that the
<v Speaker 2>game had been delayed to early next year, but according
<v Speaker 2>to a new report, this was far from a surprise
<v Speaker 2>to UBI Soft Quebec, the studio behind Shadows. The developers
<v Speaker 2>have reportedly been pushing for a delay for months. Ubisoft's
<v Speaker 2>announcement stated that shadows new release date was implemented to
<v Speaker 2>give the developers more time to polish the gameplay, and
<v Speaker 2>because the company wanted to apply the lessons it learned
<v Speaker 2>from Star Wars Outlaws. Disappointing rollout that game is apparently
<v Speaker 2>and reportedly only sold a million copies in its first month.
<v Speaker 2>Insider Gamings report states that both of those reasons are true,
<v Speaker 2>but adds further context by stating Assassin's Creed Shadows is
<v Speaker 2>currently not at a stage it needs to be for release.
<v Speaker 2>So we've heard this a bunch of times. It's very buggy, apparently,
<v Speaker 2>and the people working on it know that better than anyone,
<v Speaker 2>and we're asking for more time. I think they just
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be in another embarrassing situation where Assassin's
<v Speaker 2>Creed becomes the poster child for here is a gift
<v Speaker 2>of a face not loading and a couple more months
<v Speaker 2>should be able to help with that. You know, it's
<v Speaker 2>definitely something we've seen and heard before that a couple
<v Speaker 2>more months can get these bugs squash. Talked to Jason
<v Speaker 2>Schreyer on BombCast yesterday, double checking, like is that that's
<v Speaker 2>true right when you talk developers, like, yeah, it's enough
<v Speaker 2>time for that sort of thing. Although notably, the game
<v Speaker 2>is still in this fiscal year before March, so they
<v Speaker 2>do want to still get it out when they can
<v Speaker 2>put it on this year's you know, top line to
<v Speaker 2>help out that bottom line when they make that report
<v Speaker 2>in you know, June or whatever. Okay, they get the
<v Speaker 2>bug squashed and this game comes out, it's pretty decent.
<v Speaker 2>They can have a pretty big hit on their hands here, right,
<v Speaker 2>because this seems like a game though most people, if
<v Speaker 2>they're not weird, seem to want.
<v Speaker 3>I agree, most people who are not weird want to
<v Speaker 3>play this game. I'm one of them. I've wanted the
<v Speaker 3>sassag Scree Japan forever. I am weird, but not that weird.
<v Speaker 3>It's right, here's the problem. They have another problem. February
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five is loaded. It's absolutely bonkers loaded. So
<v Speaker 3>do they push it again? A month to March kind
<v Speaker 3>of clear the way since they've already pused it once,
<v Speaker 3>you push it one more time for some final bug
<v Speaker 3>squashing or bug testing, and they get it out in
<v Speaker 3>March instead. I don't know how loaded March is right now.
<v Speaker 3>It could be, it could be just as busy an app.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not remembering a lot of people will still
<v Speaker 2>be feeling the brunt of paying a lot of money
<v Speaker 2>in February for multiple games that they want, so not
<v Speaker 2>more March is going to be that much better.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but you have to wonder how many people
<v Speaker 3>are going to be using I mean, Assassin's Creed is
<v Speaker 3>a legacy franchise, a legacy franchise in this day and age.
<v Speaker 3>It does have a lot of dedicated fans, so maybe
<v Speaker 3>it could stick out, But I don't I worry. I
<v Speaker 3>worry about that. It's to be careful what you wish
<v Speaker 3>for a situation. You got it, you got the delay,
<v Speaker 3>you got the delay to to squash the bugs. But
<v Speaker 3>now you're, you know, standing among other giant releases, and
<v Speaker 3>what do you do to make yourself stand out? And
<v Speaker 3>that I think is their biggest challenge now. If they're
<v Speaker 3>confident in their game, and they get the bug squashed then,
<v Speaker 3>and they think they can make Valentine's Day work. Power
<v Speaker 3>to them. I would love to see it come out
<v Speaker 3>on Valentine's Day. Pun absolutely intended, But I I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>don't I don't, I don't know. I'm more worried about
<v Speaker 3>the timing of the release now than I am about
<v Speaker 3>the bugs being squashed, because, as you said, this is
<v Speaker 3>enough time to be able to do that. It's it's
<v Speaker 3>worrying for this particular game.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I think this is something that Jason
<v Speaker 2>said yesterday as well, and it's definitely something I think
<v Speaker 2>we've heard before in other like kind of whispery reports that.
<v Speaker 1>This game set.
<v Speaker 2>Internally, they they're pretty happy with the quality. They think
<v Speaker 2>they have a pretty good game here. And again I
<v Speaker 2>feel ripe and primed for this game to take off
<v Speaker 2>if they can just nail the basics, kind of have
<v Speaker 2>some fun, fun handful of fun new things, and then
<v Speaker 2>the setting and the characters crush it, which I think
<v Speaker 2>it could. And again, we know there's the weirdos that
<v Speaker 2>will try to throw a spoke into the wheels, and
<v Speaker 2>they've seem to successfully have done that a couple of
<v Speaker 2>times this year, or maybe just like they are alongside
<v Speaker 2>some other stuff that is causing some of these games
<v Speaker 2>to crash and burn, like Star Wars Outlaws, for example.
<v Speaker 2>And I think there's probably that's way more complicated than
<v Speaker 2>just some people were weird about that one, and I
<v Speaker 2>think it's you know, you'd be self needs of God.
<v Speaker 1>They need to win, right, they need to dub you
<v Speaker 1>real bad.
<v Speaker 2>And if this one doesn't work out, things are looking
<v Speaker 2>grammar for that company than ever.
<v Speaker 3>And this is like they're one of their flagship, if
<v Speaker 3>not the flagship franchises they have now. So if they're
<v Speaker 3>top of the line Triple A franchise, the one that
<v Speaker 3>they're based they've hung their hat on since Assassin's Creed two,
<v Speaker 3>let's say, comes out and does not perform commercially or critically,
<v Speaker 3>they might not be able to hold off those takeovers
<v Speaker 3>for much longer.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean so yep. And it's even though the
<v Speaker 1>board of directors which.
<v Speaker 2>Launched a a investigation of the company, and even though
<v Speaker 2>many of them are part of the Guimo family, it
<v Speaker 2>is they will do everything they can to stand in
<v Speaker 2>the way of true change, which maybe uves Gimo stepping
<v Speaker 2>down and that family stepping back, but it's still a publicly,
<v Speaker 2>publicly traded company. There will still be pressure from investors.
<v Speaker 2>And it feels like a lot of that stuff's coming
<v Speaker 2>to a head. And it really what it feels like,
<v Speaker 2>it's like a damn about to break, is the family
<v Speaker 2>has stood in the way of investors requesting change for
<v Speaker 2>a long time, and now that pressure is built up
<v Speaker 2>to a point where they might not be able to
<v Speaker 2>stop it, and change might come sweeping through that company.
<v Speaker 2>And who who steps in that can like wield this
<v Speaker 2>massive entity with all of these studios around the world
<v Speaker 2>and can truly understand that. That's something where I've always
<v Speaker 2>pointed to, Like, for all their problems, and there are
<v Speaker 2>many of them, these can most seems to understand how
<v Speaker 2>this publisher works as a giant beast with a studio
<v Speaker 2>in Singapore and multiple studios in Canada and multiple studios
<v Speaker 2>in France and the rest of Europe, and how to
<v Speaker 2>get them to work in concert. And there's value to that,
<v Speaker 2>which is why they've been able to stay in power
<v Speaker 2>at that publisher for so long. And then if that changes, BOYD,
<v Speaker 2>does you can you even really survive? And even if
<v Speaker 2>it does, what does it look like on the other side,
<v Speaker 2>is it familiar to what we've had for twenty thirty
<v Speaker 2>forty years now?
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not?
<v Speaker 3>No, maybe maybe it's xboxes and next the technical sitch boy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, God, I hope not all right.
<v Speaker 2>Canceled Halo Battle Royale details reportedly leaked online. This is
<v Speaker 2>from Dennis Patrick at game Ranks. Plenty of hype surrounds
<v Speaker 2>the Halo ip, despite some players not being thrilled by
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of releases.
<v Speaker 1>Halo and Fit's a good nick game. Everybody just go
<v Speaker 1>play it. It's fun.
<v Speaker 2>It's hopeful that the next game will deliver another thrilling release. However,
<v Speaker 2>while we wait for the details about where three four
<v Speaker 2>to three Industries is taking the game franchise next, a
<v Speaker 2>new league has emerged highlighting the canceled Battle Royale games,
<v Speaker 2>the game mode for Halo Infinite. Thanks to Insider Gaming,
<v Speaker 2>we're finding out that a YouTube channel posted a video
<v Speaker 2>highlighting some new details. ReBs Gaming, which is kind of
<v Speaker 2>like a Halo channel, does a lot of stuff on
<v Speaker 2>Halo and several other games, but a lot of Halo stuff.
<v Speaker 2>ReBs Gaming posted a video that credits a source familiar
<v Speaker 2>with the project and what Project to Tanka would have featured.
<v Speaker 2>For those unaware, Project to Tanka was the name given
<v Speaker 2>in development for the Battle Royale experience. This is the
<v Speaker 2>one if people remember, that was being made really quickly
<v Speaker 2>after Halo Infone came out. It was being made by
<v Speaker 2>a different studio, and it was being made reportedly in
<v Speaker 2>Unreal Engine, and it was in the works for a while,
<v Speaker 2>and then it got canceled. It's noted that this game
<v Speaker 2>mode would have tied to the campaign narrative, where players
<v Speaker 2>would land on the map in odst drop pods. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. There would have been a few fragments
<v Speaker 2>for players to battle within, each featuring biomes and cannons.
<v Speaker 2>The launch players over onto the fragments of the map.
<v Speaker 2>When players were not actively battling each other, objectives could
<v Speaker 2>be completed to unlock items and shields. It was also
<v Speaker 2>stated that once players were downed, they would become an
<v Speaker 2>AI bubble that could be revived. Additionally, a variety of
<v Speaker 2>vehicles would be dropped on the map for players to
<v Speaker 2>fight over. However, after some time, three four to three
<v Speaker 2>Industries decided to rework the game mode into something else,
<v Speaker 2>converting the name from Project to Taka to Project Eckert.
<v Speaker 2>That project was also eventually scrapped sometime last year in
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, so three four three industries.
<v Speaker 1>Could focus on the next full real Halo installment. That's
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would.
<v Speaker 2>Have liked to have seen a Halo Battle Royale, but
<v Speaker 2>for me, it was like I played Halo Infinite. I
<v Speaker 2>was on that map. It was an open world game
<v Speaker 2>that I was having a pretty okay time with. I
<v Speaker 2>thought the grappling hook and the movement was fun and
<v Speaker 2>getting into skirmishes. It's like, Oh, I get to play
<v Speaker 2>little games of Halo inside of this open world map.
<v Speaker 2>That's great for me. And then as you're going through
<v Speaker 2>the map, you can kind of see like they they
<v Speaker 2>could just have a Battle Royale in this place. That'd
<v Speaker 2>be cool. And then you find out like, well, no,
<v Speaker 2>they're not going to do that. There's another team making
<v Speaker 2>the Battle Royale and a different engine that won't be
<v Speaker 2>using this map. It's like, oh, okay, well, I get
<v Speaker 2>still wanting to do that, but is the appetite by
<v Speaker 2>the time you get done doing all that. Like if
<v Speaker 2>the Battle Royale mode had been ready to go very
<v Speaker 2>soon as part of the hype for Halo Infinite. It
<v Speaker 2>made a lot of sense to me. As a project
<v Speaker 2>coming much later that is going to be a separate
<v Speaker 2>install as part of the Halo Infinite launcher or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>It made a little bit less sense, and as time
<v Speaker 2>went on, maybe even less sense. And I can see
<v Speaker 2>how they're like, let's just try some stuff here. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>this this is not working. We need to go back
<v Speaker 2>and rethink Halo entirely. And now that's where they're at
<v Speaker 2>kind of tracks to me.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think?
<v Speaker 3>No, I agree one hundred percent. I think now the
<v Speaker 3>Battle Royal genre is basically settled at this rate. Some
<v Speaker 3>people may try and do something different with it. But
<v Speaker 3>if you're on console, you're playing Fortnite, and if you're
<v Speaker 3>on mobile you're playing PUBG Mobile or even Kareena Free Fire.
<v Speaker 3>That's it. Those are the three Battle roreales. It has
<v Speaker 3>been decided. In my opinion, I'm ready to call it.
<v Speaker 3>So the fact that they were cognizant enough to call
<v Speaker 3>it and focus on the next Halo and let's talk
<v Speaker 3>about a franchise that needs a refresh, Holy moly, that's smart.
<v Speaker 3>I do think that's smarter them shout out to project
<v Speaker 3>to Tanka and whoever the early to mid nineties professional
<v Speaker 3>wrestling fan was the named that. I do appreciate that one.
<v Speaker 3>I like the idea of like jumping from different biomes
<v Speaker 3>and having different battles in each one, But then that's
<v Speaker 3>not a battle Royale anymore. Battle Reale is the open
<v Speaker 3>map that constricts into one place and forces everyone into
<v Speaker 3>a final showdown. But it doesn't sound like it sounds
<v Speaker 3>like they were trying to reinvent a wheel that was
<v Speaker 3>still being invented. Yeah, and that's why it kind of
<v Speaker 3>fell off and is now not coming. Yeah. I think
<v Speaker 3>this is a smart This was a smart decision, like
<v Speaker 3>a cognizant decision of three four to three. Again, if
<v Speaker 3>there was ever a IP that needs to refresh in
<v Speaker 3>the gaming sector, it is Halo. And honestly, if they
<v Speaker 3>went to got a war route and just did a
<v Speaker 3>single player narrative experience with and then had the Halo
<v Speaker 3>multiplayer on the side or as its own thing like
<v Speaker 3>Call of Duty, I think that because I think that's
<v Speaker 3>the strongest way to do this because Halo two, Halo three,
<v Speaker 3>even Halo four to an extent, and the original Halo,
<v Speaker 3>those stories were still fun. It's after like Halo five
<v Speaker 3>and things went off way off the rails, but like
<v Speaker 3>playing through those narrative, playing through those campaigns was just
<v Speaker 3>as fun to me as playing multiplayer. Yeah, and now
<v Speaker 3>that we're starting to realize that single player games can
<v Speaker 3>still be very successful with Boulders Game and Astro Bought
<v Speaker 3>different genres of course, but still single player focused, I'm
<v Speaker 3>hoping that there's a renewde focus on the Halo single
<v Speaker 3>player experience that can balance with the multiplayer like it
<v Speaker 3>used to or else we maybe the Halo is you know,
<v Speaker 3>master Chief just might be someone who pops up at
<v Speaker 3>other games from time to time, so you could say, hey,
<v Speaker 3>remember Halo. Yeah, I did not say nude focus, renewed focus.
<v Speaker 2>Chat chat chat chat loves to hear what they want
<v Speaker 2>to hear. They'll do that every time, do you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think that.
<v Speaker 2>I thought Halo Infinite was really close to having the
<v Speaker 2>open world stuff work. I think on its own, I
<v Speaker 2>would have given the open world single player campaign a
<v Speaker 2>four out of five. I thought it was a fun sandbox,
<v Speaker 2>and then the multiplayer was a five out of five.
<v Speaker 2>Fund Like, the amount of fun to actually play that
<v Speaker 2>mode was five out of five.
<v Speaker 1>To me, That.
<v Speaker 2>Regardless of how they supported it after that point, I
<v Speaker 2>know that's how we judge these things at this point.
<v Speaker 2>That's just not where That's not the world I come from,
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not I grew up in a different world
<v Speaker 2>playing games that just came out, and were those games.
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, do I enjoy playing this?
<v Speaker 1>Yes or no?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's not only that. I think it's awesome and
<v Speaker 2>a really good time in the best Halo shooter I've
<v Speaker 2>ever enjoyed. So for me, it was easy five out
<v Speaker 2>of five. So they have to like figure out what
<v Speaker 2>like how to like navigate that side of things of
<v Speaker 2>people how they estimate these games has changed, and it's
<v Speaker 2>become much more difficult to keep these fans happy over time.
<v Speaker 2>And is that even worth pursuing at this point, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. And then on the single player side of things, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think you got to come back with a really
<v Speaker 2>strong take on the mix of Hey, I think you
<v Speaker 2>go back use that open world kind of idea again,
<v Speaker 2>do more of that. Just make sure when it turns
<v Speaker 2>back into that corridor shooter at the end, it's way
<v Speaker 2>more interesting than it was. That was definitely the thing
<v Speaker 2>that dripped it down and if that means some new ideas,
<v Speaker 2>take us some ideas from some of the other like
<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll look at what a what Titan Fall
<v Speaker 2>two was doing. You don't have to like ape that stuff,
<v Speaker 2>but kind of take Halo's perspective on some of these
<v Speaker 2>ideas and apply that to your shooter campaign. And there's
<v Speaker 2>definitely a world for that for a new Halo to
<v Speaker 2>come out every five years. Still, I think, you know,
<v Speaker 2>five to seven years.
<v Speaker 1>But we'll see.
<v Speaker 2>And I think they are right to abandon the Battle
<v Speaker 2>Royal because, as you said, like even like Beyond Call
<v Speaker 2>of Duty, you know, the war Zone and PUBG on mobile,
<v Speaker 2>and even PUBG is still massive on PC to a
<v Speaker 2>certain extent. Fortnite Apex Legends is massive. It's not growing,
<v Speaker 2>but it's massive. These things have taken all the oxygen
<v Speaker 2>out of the room, so they're not gonna be able
<v Speaker 2>to make that space work for them. And we don't
<v Speaker 2>people joked in chat, we don't need the Halo Extraction shooter, right,
<v Speaker 2>We don't need them chasing the next trend just so
<v Speaker 2>they could do the same thing and cancel that as well.
<v Speaker 3>Now back to basics, God of War did it, and
<v Speaker 3>then those games are great. Halo could do the same
<v Speaker 3>and just bringing that you know, early to mid two
<v Speaker 3>thousands franchise back into into prominence as well. Just needs
<v Speaker 3>to have a strong story, which again Halo five and
<v Speaker 3>at the end of Halo, but it didn't really have So.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, all right.
<v Speaker 2>The middle Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater producer has apologized
<v Speaker 2>to me specifically and said this is from Carl Garcia
<v Speaker 2>at game Ranks, apologizing for a lack of a release date.
<v Speaker 2>According to Twitter user Ginky Noriyanki Akimura, the producer of
<v Speaker 2>middle Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater, is apologizing to fans
<v Speaker 2>for the game's lack of a con concrete release date.
<v Speaker 2>According to Akamura, the studio doesn't want to make promises
<v Speaker 2>to fans that it cannot.
<v Speaker 1>Keep, but the devs are hard at work on the title.
<v Speaker 2>I needed this game to come out this year because
<v Speaker 2>Dan counterpicked it in Fantasy Critic, and if it comes
<v Speaker 2>out this year, he'll lose points because I'm sure it'll
<v Speaker 2>do pretty fine.
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't look like it's going to work out
<v Speaker 1>that way.
<v Speaker 2>This game's coming out next year and we might not
<v Speaker 2>hear about its release date until sometime deep into next year.
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, what are your expectations for, like when we
<v Speaker 2>actually see this game.
<v Speaker 3>Or get to play Apology Holiday twenty twenty five, maybe
<v Speaker 3>late summer at the earliest. Of course, they could come
<v Speaker 3>out tomorrow and say hey, it's coming out in February,
<v Speaker 3>just like everything else. But no, I think this is
<v Speaker 3>going to be a fiscal year twenty twenty six release,
<v Speaker 3>and I think part of them knew that it always
<v Speaker 3>was going to be. I don't have twenty twenty five.
<v Speaker 3>Excuse me. I don't think they ever like they said
<v Speaker 3>coming this year, but I don't think they ever meant that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they definitely said it on one side of their
<v Speaker 2>mouth and was like maybe out of the.
<v Speaker 3>Other it's coming this year, we promise, and then no.
<v Speaker 3>But that's fine, that's fine. It seems to be shaping
<v Speaker 3>up quite nicely. The demos from a Tokyo Game show
<v Speaker 3>looked quite well, quite good. It's a shame that Dan's
<v Speaker 3>not going to be able to lose those points on you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I looked at he.
<v Speaker 2>I hate to say it, but I think he deserves
<v Speaker 2>to win because of the top eleven games on.
<v Speaker 1>Open Critic, he has three of them.
<v Speaker 2>This year, he's got UFO fifty, Final Fantasy, Sevin Rebirth
<v Speaker 2>and Astrobot and Astrobot. I think it's not wowut fun
<v Speaker 2>and fan Fantasy is like number three or something like that,
<v Speaker 2>and then UFO fifty is number eleven. He just got
<v Speaker 2>the right games to win.
<v Speaker 1>He really did so.
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean UFO fifty was an inspired choice.
<v Speaker 2>Like as soon as you got that, it was kind
<v Speaker 2>of all locked up. Yeah, we'll see.
<v Speaker 1>It's a battle for second now between me and Mike.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. My the league I'm in with a couple of
<v Speaker 3>industry friends. Uh, I'm clawlling on to first. My projected
<v Speaker 3>I'm projected to win by one point zero two.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's anyway the game.
<v Speaker 3>Ye, thanks to Bilotro and tech and eight and uh
<v Speaker 3>we do like we do one one slot. That's only
<v Speaker 3>seasonal games like the annual releases. Thank you w W
<v Speaker 3>for being good this year. Yeah, it's a it's a
<v Speaker 3>it's fantasy. Craik is great. But to get back into
<v Speaker 3>the actual topic at hands, sorry, I kind of worries.
<v Speaker 1>That's fine.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Actually, let's just hit this lastor as we'll
<v Speaker 2>run out of time. League screenshots claiming to be from
<v Speaker 2>the next SIMS game, Project Renee. I have serviced and
<v Speaker 2>fans are in shambles over them, and I'll say, for
<v Speaker 2>good reason, it looks like dog shit. It looks bad.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>I'll show it to the video viewers. This is These
<v Speaker 2>are preset SIMS characters. And here's my initial like response, like,
<v Speaker 2>here's how I feel like when I look at them.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like if you took a person, a real person,
<v Speaker 2>turned them into a Funko pop and then turned them
<v Speaker 2>back into a person. That's what it looks like.
<v Speaker 1>It is bad.
<v Speaker 2>Now, what's what's gonna be very annoying here is you
<v Speaker 2>know they got it's the SIMS. They're gonna have all
<v Speaker 2>the diversity stuff in here, so we're gonna have a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of Cretans going up be like this is the EI.
<v Speaker 1>No, it's just bad art. It's just bad art.
<v Speaker 2>It just looks bad, especially like again you look compared
<v Speaker 2>it to like some of these games that are trying
<v Speaker 2>to do the the SIMS thing, but with like the
<v Speaker 2>wife Wu style, like the Enzoy game, and it's like
<v Speaker 2>super realistic and people are making characters look like Billie
<v Speaker 2>Eilish and it looks exactly like Billie Eilish, It's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that's what the competition's doing, and so what are you
<v Speaker 2>doing over there at the sims for.
<v Speaker 1>Project Renee dog Ship It's bad. Yeah, yeah, it kind
<v Speaker 1>of looks like it has a clay mation look to
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, very very MTV Celebrity deathmatch looking.
<v Speaker 1>Pea and but like not even like interesting the way
<v Speaker 1>those could be. This is just kind of ugly.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not I'm not feeling it.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'm not.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not not liking what Project Renee is doing here.
<v Speaker 3>What's wrong Renee guy here? This one guy here that
<v Speaker 3>this this blonde fella uh he looks like he says
<v Speaker 3>skibeti on ironically, I just and he is not an alpha,
<v Speaker 3>says yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This is oh god, no, no, it's it's been and
<v Speaker 2>like what's going on with this leg?
<v Speaker 1>His knees look messed up.
<v Speaker 2>Every just I mean, look chatty pronunciation.
<v Speaker 1>That was a skibbitty way to say scibbitty. Uh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but that's fair.
<v Speaker 2>I hate looking at these guys. That's that's kind of
<v Speaker 2>how I feel. I get it's invader or whatever, and
<v Speaker 2>testing they will probably they will they better make changes.
<v Speaker 3>These are the sims that you're put in the bottom
<v Speaker 3>of the pool and take out the right.
<v Speaker 2>If the game is all about like wanting to hate
<v Speaker 2>your sims there, they might be hotot something here.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we.
<v Speaker 2>Were in a world where like as for as enshrined
<v Speaker 2>as the SIMS is with its community, I don't think
<v Speaker 2>that they should expect like anything they put out if
<v Speaker 2>it has art like this to be able to compete
<v Speaker 2>in an ongoing.
<v Speaker 1>Way, there will be people like who will be looking.
<v Speaker 2>Around for some other game that does things that provides
<v Speaker 2>what they want. And we were already seeing that some
<v Speaker 2>games are going to be doing that, and I think.
<v Speaker 1>They could lose a step here if this is where
<v Speaker 1>they're headed already.
<v Speaker 2>Sibs, Yeah, shit, yeah, this is just this is definitely
<v Speaker 2>the sims you see in the tame who adds for sure? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>all right, maybe let's get back here there we go. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>while while we're done with the news, let's head over
<v Speaker 2>to the poll question.
<v Speaker 1>Let mean refresh that and frame it up.
<v Speaker 2>The poll question from yesterday was do you want a
<v Speaker 2>Horizon Online game? And that was actually from Monday. Ten
<v Speaker 2>percent said yes. Ninety percent said no, thank you, I
<v Speaker 2>do not want Horizon Online. And I think when we
<v Speaker 2>talked about this, when we we ran this poll question,
<v Speaker 2>I said, I think if they get around fifteen percent
<v Speaker 2>saying yes, that is something they can easily work with.
<v Speaker 2>Now we haven't seen the game. Maybe by the time
<v Speaker 2>it comes out, it's like they can build up some
<v Speaker 2>excitement that doesn't exist in this moment. But when you
<v Speaker 2>just say the words all right, Horizon now, Horizon Online,
<v Speaker 2>one out of ten people are like, yes, I want that,
<v Speaker 2>and the rest just say no, just flat out no.
<v Speaker 2>That's a I think it's a rough place to start from.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, there's been a lot of money making this game.
<v Speaker 2>Seems like it could be a problem. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>what do you think, Jason.
<v Speaker 3>But like, what are they Is it going to be ARC?
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm trying to figure out what Horizon Online eat
<v Speaker 3>is like. Is it is it something like ARC where
<v Speaker 3>you have these you know, this open world survival big
<v Speaker 3>monster stuff like that? Is it an mm O right
<v Speaker 3>in this world? That could be interesting. The different tribes
<v Speaker 3>and alliances and stuff like that with these big monsters,
<v Speaker 3>that could be interesting. That's another potential idea as well.
<v Speaker 3>But does that have to mean I guess Monster Hunter
<v Speaker 3>is online now, so I always thought I used to
<v Speaker 3>always think of that as a single player or couch
<v Speaker 3>co op game, but it is online now online. It's
<v Speaker 3>a huge Monster Hunter does make sense if you have
<v Speaker 3>these really beefed mechanical uh monsters. But again, you're just
<v Speaker 3>aping other things. What is the other than the world
<v Speaker 3>that it's in. What is the original idea that you're
<v Speaker 3>bringing to these genres? Yep, that to me is the biggest,
<v Speaker 3>Like that's what they need to prove to me that
<v Speaker 3>they can do, or else I would just play the
<v Speaker 3>game that's already yet. I love I love Horizon's world.
<v Speaker 3>I love the concept. I love the the Zero Dawn.
<v Speaker 3>What Zero Dawn means in that universe I found fascinating,
<v Speaker 3>and I love to a point. I like how Forbidden
<v Speaker 3>West build on that. But I don't know, don't unless
<v Speaker 3>you're going to be unless there is for me, unless
<v Speaker 3>there's a lore reason to have this always online game
<v Speaker 3>that you're something it contributes to the lore in some way.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think you can do anything original with the
<v Speaker 3>actual gameplay of it unless there's some mechanic that they've
<v Speaker 3>come up with it I can't think of.
<v Speaker 1>Probably not.
<v Speaker 2>I think they're what they're probably going to go for.
<v Speaker 2>I think people are right for Monster Hunter. I think
<v Speaker 2>you kind of make it run like a Fantasy Star Online.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you get your crew of four together who
<v Speaker 2>goes out and runs monster are hunting things. You're gonna
<v Speaker 2>go get the big Dino block guys and have a good.
<v Speaker 1>Time with that. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>Is that something that can sustain a massive, uh sort
<v Speaker 2>of live service game in these days? The way that
<v Speaker 2>seems like they need this game to be that thing,
<v Speaker 2>I doubt it.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's why the concerns remain around it. And
<v Speaker 1>I think.
<v Speaker 2>Most fans of Horizon will be like, Okay, maybe I'll
<v Speaker 2>check this out, but what I'm really looking for is
<v Speaker 2>the next real Horizon game. And I don't think they're
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to do much about that perspective,
<v Speaker 2>that perception of that this isn't the real Horizon game,
<v Speaker 2>which is, and the way that the money they putting
<v Speaker 2>into it, it's like, no, it better be the real
<v Speaker 2>Horizon game because it's very expensive and that whole team
<v Speaker 2>is working on it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you left us on a big cliffhanger. Can you
<v Speaker 3>can you get rid of that please before you start
<v Speaker 3>talking about how you're gonna expand the world.
<v Speaker 1>I should, I should.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like the wiki, Yeah, I feel like that.
<v Speaker 3>Fixing that cliffhanger, and then you know, ending the trilogy
<v Speaker 3>is a better way to build a online right then, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I think it's out of order.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, And like, yeah, I'm follow out seventy six, Like
<v Speaker 2>that could be the kind of situation they're looking at here.
<v Speaker 2>You know, even Elder scrolls online, We've seen these things
<v Speaker 2>work and then not work, and then eventually get to
<v Speaker 2>a point where the people do like them. And yet
<v Speaker 2>through all of that, there's fans will be like, yeah, great,
<v Speaker 2>where's the next real one? That's where's Elder scroll six?
<v Speaker 2>Where is the next fallout? That's what we actually care about?
<v Speaker 2>And I think they're gonna have the same exact situation here.
<v Speaker 1>All right. That is it for this full question. We
<v Speaker 1>have a new one coming up in a second.
<v Speaker 2>Before we get to that, though, Jason Finella, why don't
<v Speaker 2>you tell people where they can find you on the
<v Speaker 2>internet what you have going on?
<v Speaker 1>All that good stuff.
<v Speaker 3>At big Man Finelle on social media. Sorry we've been invaded. Hello,
<v Speaker 3>Hey puppy, uh poppers. Yeah. I have a couple of
<v Speaker 3>reviews coming to game Spot soon. One I submitted yesterday.
<v Speaker 3>It's not in Borgo, so I can probably say what
<v Speaker 3>it is. We'll come about one cast Rains came out
<v Speaker 3>while I was in Disney World, reviewed it for game Spot.
<v Speaker 3>There that's all I say about that. And then another
<v Speaker 3>one coming out next week that isn't bargoed. I can't
<v Speaker 3>say much about that one, but based on what I've
<v Speaker 3>played so far, i'd have any good time with that.
<v Speaker 3>Have a few other things in the pot. One that
<v Speaker 3>goes all the way back to EVO that I'm still
<v Speaker 3>working on. That'll be exciting when that finally comes out.
<v Speaker 3>A lot of interviews to transcribe them and and uh
<v Speaker 3>handle from that. So that's still going on. I got
<v Speaker 3>some I think I'm going to Magicicon in Vegas, so
<v Speaker 3>if you like playing match at the gathering, you want
<v Speaker 3>to come out, and I'm covering that. I think Bramimo,
<v Speaker 3>ARPG dot com still have to figure that part out,
<v Speaker 3>so that should be fun. But yeah, that's that's me.
<v Speaker 3>Follow me to see games Tabletop, the occasional Dog and
<v Speaker 3>Child pro wrestling, and a bunch of random nonsense. I'm
<v Speaker 3>really good at that. But yep, that's what I'm doing.
<v Speaker 3>What you got going on, Jeff?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Well, first you got the new poll question.
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever used Rio Jinks or U Zoo?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? No? Or I don't know what those are? That'll
<v Speaker 1>be the poll question.
<v Speaker 2>We'll get the results of that on games Mornings here
<v Speaker 2>on Giant Bomb tomorrow. Speaking of Giant Bomb, what's up infrastructure?
<v Speaker 2>We continues he We've done the games Com right, that's right,
<v Speaker 2>big build bomb better everybody.
<v Speaker 3>We got the man.
<v Speaker 2>We should make the shirts actually, so we have the
<v Speaker 2>shirts now we don't, but we should make infrastructure weak
<v Speaker 2>shirts skyblocks in Minecraft today. And then Janet wrote here
<v Speaker 2>Fingy's crossed. So we think we should be able to
<v Speaker 2>get that working, no problem. But we got a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of other stuff we can run if for some reason
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't work. And then the Blake Club finale today,
<v Speaker 2>and we're calling it the finale to put extra pressure
<v Speaker 2>on Mike.
<v Speaker 1>He's right there, he's right there.
<v Speaker 3>After that that masterclass in driving.
<v Speaker 2>We saw, I'm trying to like, you know, I'll save
<v Speaker 2>it for the show, but I'm like, can we remember
<v Speaker 2>the sequence of events? Because it's like he was in
<v Speaker 2>a building, the building fell fell over. He got out
<v Speaker 2>of the building by going through the garage, and then
<v Speaker 2>he drove down the road, was in the park, went
<v Speaker 2>into that bathroom, got out of the bathroom, and then
<v Speaker 2>went to another building and then did some more driving.
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably missed a few things in there, but but
<v Speaker 2>like I'm like, there's just not a lot to this game,
<v Speaker 2>and which is why five episodes and we're talking about finale,
<v Speaker 2>all right, and then you know, the rest of the week,
<v Speaker 2>look out for more Game Mess mornings.
<v Speaker 1>Look out for voicemail Dump Truck tomorrow.
<v Speaker 2>Me and back are probably gonna play some NHL actually
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow after Game Mess morning, so look out for that.
<v Speaker 1>And then upf BCR.
<v Speaker 2>We'll have a bunch of fun stuff to talk about
<v Speaker 2>on that episode as well. So gonna be a fun
<v Speaker 2>week here for Infrastructure week. But first, Jason Finelli, thank
<v Speaker 2>you so much for hanging out with me today and
<v Speaker 2>talk about video games.
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate.
<v Speaker 3>It any time, Jeff, I appreciate coming on and glad
<v Speaker 3>you had me indoors again. Thanks for the EMO. That's
<v Speaker 3>really really frig Yeah it's such a weird, so like
<v Speaker 3>about but yeah, that's that's seeing my face just blood
<v Speaker 3>chat when that first came up. I'm excited to watch
<v Speaker 3>the replay and just be like, yep, oh my god, what's.
<v Speaker 1>Going on up there there? It is all right.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you again, Thank you everybody for watching, Thank you
<v Speaker 2>for listening. You are the best audience in gaming. Until
<v Speaker 2>next time, have a good.
<v Speaker 1>One, take care of yourself and goodbye.
<v Speaker 3>See y'all.