Genesis "Invisible Touch" (1986): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Well, you know something, brother, This is Mark Mingle from
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<v Speaker 1>you Can't Be Serious podcast runs wild on you?
<v Speaker 2>All Right, I've got a tribute question for you to
<v Speaker 2>start off the episode today. Okay, can you name the
<v Speaker 2>first band to have five singles reached the top five
<v Speaker 2>on the.
<v Speaker 3>Hot one hundred. I'm gonna go on a limb here. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>is it Genesis? It's not Genesis? Actually I said ye
<v Speaker 3>for that? You really did? I mean, that's not fair.
<v Speaker 3>So here's the thing.
<v Speaker 2>The Beatles are the first band They actually had one, two, three, four,
<v Speaker 2>and five of the Hot one hundred all at the
<v Speaker 2>same time, but those singles were from different albums. So
<v Speaker 2>can you name the first band with five singles to
<v Speaker 2>reach the top five of the Hot one hundred, all
<v Speaker 2>from the same album?
<v Speaker 3>Is Genesis? It's jenital Wow? How did I know?
<v Speaker 2>Today we are going to be talking about that album
<v Speaker 2>and those songs from the Invisible Touch album.
<v Speaker 3>Invisible Touch this is the thirteenth studio album by the
<v Speaker 3>band Genesis. Now, obviously they went through several new beginnings
<v Speaker 3>if you will, Yeah, but yeah, this is number thirteen
<v Speaker 3>and to think that these guys when they got together
<v Speaker 3>to record this album, they had no songs in the bank.
<v Speaker 3>They literally just said, we're just going to get together
<v Speaker 3>and we're just gonna improvise and we'll just put out
<v Speaker 3>whatever we come up with. And what they came up
<v Speaker 3>with was an album full what did five chart topping
<v Speaker 3>singles on this album? Five in the top five? That
<v Speaker 3>is crazy.
<v Speaker 2>And when they started, they had nothing but a big
<v Speaker 2>blank piece of.
<v Speaker 3>Paper, blank piece of paper and a drum machine. Yep, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>yeah the eight oh eight eight, the eight o eight.
<v Speaker 3>So we we you know, the we text our buddies.
<v Speaker 3>Def Dave said, do you know the eight oh eight story?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know the eight story right, And You're like, yes,
<v Speaker 3>we got it. And I'm like do we what? And
<v Speaker 3>You're like, isn't it the gated thing? And I was like, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>no gated drum is like that's that was a real
<v Speaker 3>drum with a gate, a noise gate on it. The
<v Speaker 3>eighth eight was one of the first drum machines. And
<v Speaker 3>I mean every major rap album that you heard in
<v Speaker 3>the eighties had the eight to eight tr eighth eight
<v Speaker 3>and the obviously a whole lot of other pop albums
<v Speaker 3>had it as well, and it was a primary force
<v Speaker 3>in both Invisible Touch and No Jacket Required. I didn't look,
<v Speaker 3>but my guess is it's probably also a big part
<v Speaker 3>of SO probably so. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So the interesting thing about Genesis to me, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it has these different evolutions of the band. Yep, they
<v Speaker 2>made several albums without Phil Collins, yes, and had a
<v Speaker 2>few substantial success, and then they have several albums without
<v Speaker 2>Peter Gabriel even more success. That's even more success. And
<v Speaker 2>then they have a little in there where they had
<v Speaker 2>this guy named Steve Hackett, Yeah, who pulled the dumbest
<v Speaker 2>rip cord of all time.
<v Speaker 3>And said got out right when things are getting hot,
<v Speaker 3>My gosh, But would you like to be that guy? Well?
<v Speaker 3>I mean he did, okay, he did okay, And we'll
<v Speaker 3>talk about him in a little bit when we kind
<v Speaker 3>of get into their history. But let's jump into this album, man.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've we've got a trinity of Genesis songs
<v Speaker 3>and albums in nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 3>We are on our third of the three. Now, if
<v Speaker 3>you haven't listened, go back and check out our Peter
<v Speaker 3>Gabriel so album that we covered with Chad Briggs. Check
<v Speaker 3>out our No Jacket Require Phil Collins album and then
<v Speaker 3>here we are today to talk about Invisible Touch and
<v Speaker 3>how all of these things are married together in the past.
<v Speaker 2>So let's just do a quick overview Invisible Touch. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>it was released June sixth of nineteen eighty six. That's
<v Speaker 2>after so and of course after No Jacket Required. Hugh
<v Speaker 2>Pageum is our producer on this one as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, this is after.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Genesis had to put out an album in
<v Speaker 2>eighty three, yep, and then you had the guys break
<v Speaker 2>up and do their own solo thing, but not break up,
<v Speaker 2>not break up.
<v Speaker 3>Well, the BBC reported that they had broken up, right,
<v Speaker 3>They just said, would you guys like to go do
<v Speaker 3>some other stuff? And everybody was like, yeah, let's go
<v Speaker 3>do some other stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So Tony Banks he goes and does a couple of
<v Speaker 2>albums soundtracks for movies. I looked at those movies. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't recognize any of them.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said they were not very well received. And
<v Speaker 3>he said after doing that much work and getting that
<v Speaker 3>little reception on it, he wasn't really super interested in
<v Speaker 3>doing soundtracks anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Mike Rutherford goes on and informs Mike and the Mechanics,
<v Speaker 2>which is a supergroup absolutely, and they have some huge
<v Speaker 2>hits in the mid eighties. Yeah, All I Need is
<v Speaker 2>a miracle, the Living Years, All.
<v Speaker 3>I Need is a miracle. I came out before this, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that was eighty five, so he's right in that success
<v Speaker 3>as he comes into Invisible Touch.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Silent Running, All I Need is a miracle.
<v Speaker 2>Those are big hits from eighty five Silent Running.
<v Speaker 3>Go check out our top five of nineteen eighty five
<v Speaker 3>earlier this year. Love that, Love that song, that fantastic song.
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't even realize it now he of course,
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't singing the lead vocals when he was with
<v Speaker 3>Mike and the Mechanics. He had a couple of other
<v Speaker 3>guys come in and sing, Paul Young and Paul Carrick. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember which one of them is, but one
<v Speaker 3>of them passed away, like Paul Young, Yeah, died in
<v Speaker 3>the hotel room over drug overdose. I believe that's the
<v Speaker 3>guy who sings All they Need is Miracle, which apparently
<v Speaker 3>that's what he needed and didn't get it too bad. Yep.
<v Speaker 2>But the guys come back together with those three guys,
<v Speaker 2>Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins. They looking at this
<v Speaker 2>blank piece of paper. They said, well, let's just improve
<v Speaker 2>our way and see what happens, and you get this
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable album.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, when you're on your thirteenth album as a band,
<v Speaker 3>not to mention the other solo projects that they were
<v Speaker 3>just doing, and you show up and were like, well,
<v Speaker 3>let's just see what you can do. You can probably
<v Speaker 3>do some pretty impressive I saw that their typical day
<v Speaker 3>looked like they start about eleven am h and they'd
<v Speaker 3>finished about two am. That was about right for a musician, right.
<v Speaker 2>Phil said, I heard him talking. He said, you get there,
<v Speaker 2>somebody else is doing their thing. You're standing around doing
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of nothing. He said, Then pretty soon
<v Speaker 2>you start raiding their fridge. He said, I always put
<v Speaker 2>on weight while we did albums.
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, that's hilarious. So all right, well, let's dive
<v Speaker 3>in the first track, man, I mean, let's get this
<v Speaker 3>thing started, not wait any longer.
<v Speaker 2>Jumping in track number one, Invisible Touch, shall we start
<v Speaker 2>off with a banger? My gosh, it's like it's like
<v Speaker 2>powder keg and several dollars city that intro. You are
<v Speaker 2>off and running like a bullet on this one.
<v Speaker 3>Yep. I love the video on this one because it's
<v Speaker 3>them being goofy and themselves being silly before a show.
<v Speaker 3>It looks like, I mean, they even have their own
<v Speaker 3>little handheld cameras that they're doing stuff with and Phil
<v Speaker 3>is being silly with the drumsticks. And they finish off
<v Speaker 3>the video by singing a little a cappella version of
<v Speaker 3>the song together. And you're just like, these guys are
<v Speaker 3>rock stars and they're like dads up there, you know,
<v Speaker 3>being just goofy and silly.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like the guys like the crew is working
<v Speaker 2>around them while they're screwing around. Yeah, Phil singing in
<v Speaker 2>his drumsticks, and I played it at the very beginning
<v Speaker 2>when you were still studying your notes. He has this
<v Speaker 2>real goofy yuck laugh at the beginning of it that
<v Speaker 2>cracks me up.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, great videos, man, great videos. That's the problem.
<v Speaker 2>Pal Baby, Pal, Pal hell on baby, give you all
<v Speaker 2>You're gone. And he's got his own little handheld camera.
<v Speaker 3>Huh. This video costs about five dollars in a sandwich.
<v Speaker 3>It really did like they had They probably had the
<v Speaker 3>camera anyway, because they bring cameras to live shows all
<v Speaker 3>the time, and so it was just like, hey, let's
<v Speaker 3>just go ahead and make the video for this one today.
<v Speaker 3>We've got a couple of hours while the guys are
<v Speaker 3>setting up. Let's just do it now, right, Why not?
<v Speaker 3>Right now? I'm sure it was a chart topping number one.
<v Speaker 2>This is a number one hitch. You want to hear
<v Speaker 2>the top five? Yes, of course this week in July
<v Speaker 2>of eighty six, eight six July nineteenth of eighty six.
<v Speaker 2>Number five is holding back the years by simply red.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Number four is danger Zone. Well, sure go check out
<v Speaker 2>our Top Gun soundtrack. Episode Number three is Nasty by
<v Speaker 2>Janet Jackson.
<v Speaker 3>It was big back in the day. It's Jackson. If
<v Speaker 3>you're nasty, call her baby, It's Janet. It's Janet, It's Jackson.
<v Speaker 2>Number two is Sledgehammer, of course from Peter Gabriel.
<v Speaker 3>So yes, and.
<v Speaker 2>Of course number one is Invisible Touch. Now when Invisible
<v Speaker 2>Touch gets knocked out the next week, it gets knocked
<v Speaker 2>out by Sledgehammer.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>We talked about the story how Phil said at the
<v Speaker 2>time they didn't realize it, but if they had, they
<v Speaker 2>had sent him a telegram saying congratulations, bastard Bustard. All right,
<v Speaker 2>so here's the thing. I'm gonna play a song for you.
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me if this song reminds you of
<v Speaker 2>Invisible Touch?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, okay, So that's she le Yes. What's the
<v Speaker 3>name of the song. The song is called The Glamorous Life. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>the Glamours Life. Yes, But do I think it sounds
<v Speaker 3>a lot like Invisible Touch? No. I mean there's a
<v Speaker 3>little similarity in the drum beat, but that's about it.
<v Speaker 2>So we had we talked about how I think Sus
<v Speaker 2>Studio had a nineteen ninety nine feel Phil received some criticism.
<v Speaker 3>Because I'm sorry clarified nineteen ninety nine, the song by
<v Speaker 3>Prince and the Revolution, that's right. I was like they
<v Speaker 3>were playing futuristic songs. Okay, I got.
<v Speaker 2>You now right the song nineteen ninety nine by Prince.
<v Speaker 2>They felt like video sounded a little bit too much
<v Speaker 2>like Prince, right, Okay, like.
<v Speaker 3>That song, yeah, still don't agree with I don't think
<v Speaker 3>so either.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he said, well, gosh, I'm I'm a fan
<v Speaker 2>of Prince. I love Prince music, you know, Purple rain,
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 3>Well this song.
<v Speaker 2>Phil got his inspiration from the song The Glamorous Life
<v Speaker 2>by Shila e Oh.
<v Speaker 3>He gave her credit for He gave her credit, So
<v Speaker 3>it's inspiration. It's not a it's not a copy, butay,
<v Speaker 3>but a I liked what you did here. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>take some of the tricks, which if you listen to
<v Speaker 3>all the greats, that's that's what they say. You know,
<v Speaker 3>good artists create great artists. Steel that's it. There you go,
<v Speaker 3>that's it. So do you know what this song is about? Well,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know her, but I know her name, So
<v Speaker 3>do I no tell me what it's about.
<v Speaker 2>So obviously it's about a toxic woman who you just
<v Speaker 2>can't quite say no to. Yeah, she gets under your skin,
<v Speaker 2>she fs up your life, and you just can't quite
<v Speaker 2>say no to her. He says that large chunks of
<v Speaker 2>this song are about Andrea Bertarelli, the first wife, his
<v Speaker 2>first wife. Yes he called her Andy, and yes he
<v Speaker 2>did have problems saying no to her, even when.
<v Speaker 3>She was rejecting him right right.
<v Speaker 2>But if you'll allow me, I think the real woman
<v Speaker 2>who had a hold on his life that he just
<v Speaker 2>couldn't let go of. Her name was Levinya.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So Lavinya was the one that Andy and she
<v Speaker 3>both sang back up in Fill's original band, and then
<v Speaker 3>he ran into her later when he was married to Jill,
<v Speaker 3>his second wife, Yes, and had a little tryst.
<v Speaker 2>They started a torrid love affair that destroyed her family
<v Speaker 2>and his and you know.
<v Speaker 3>And cast him a lot of money ultimillion dollar divorce.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. The origin of this song.
<v Speaker 2>It was originally part of Domino, which we're going to
<v Speaker 2>talk about here in a minute.
<v Speaker 3>Part which part Domino Part one or Domino Part two? Well,
<v Speaker 3>exactly sure, all right, well we'll get to that. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>that's going to be side too, right, that is side
<v Speaker 3>to side too. So we got them ways to go
<v Speaker 3>here we do.
<v Speaker 2>But they liked it so much they pulled it out
<v Speaker 2>of that song and said this needs to be its
<v Speaker 2>own thing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love it's I mean, it's this. This is
<v Speaker 3>a fantastic song. It's no surprise to me that it's
<v Speaker 3>the number one single. But just as as a little hook,
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna tell you, we're going to talk about
<v Speaker 3>the band, the history of the band, Peter Gabriel's involvement
<v Speaker 3>with the band, and the guy who named the band
<v Speaker 3>who's now not allowed within five hundred feet of a school.
<v Speaker 3>And I'll tell you that story in a bit.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, next song on the album. This song is called
<v Speaker 2>Tonight Tonight Tonight.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, number one. The ding Ding Ding Dink is freaking
<v Speaker 3>cool as heck, it is this song. Yeah, it's like
<v Speaker 3>somebody beating on the prison bars or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>This song, to me, has got to be about some
<v Speaker 3>kind of an addiction, right. I mean, he's coming down
<v Speaker 3>like a monkey. I don't really know what that means,
<v Speaker 3>but I'm gonna assume that has something to do with
<v Speaker 3>a monkey on your back and he needs he needs help,
<v Speaker 3>and the person who he's talking to is and helping him.
<v Speaker 2>So this is the mid eighties, Yes, when cocaine dust
<v Speaker 2>is on everything. Yes, the song was originally titled Monkey Zulu. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>it's about a cocaine dealer that they can't break free from.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Right, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is true or just kind
<v Speaker 2>of a fairy tale or whatever, but it is sort
<v Speaker 2>of that Miami vice feel, that a Miami vice story.
<v Speaker 3>Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The cool thing to me is Michelobe was the sponsor
<v Speaker 2>for the Genesis American leg.
<v Speaker 3>Of their tour.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I sent you a commercial the other day, a
<v Speaker 2>michelob commercial with Tonight Tonight Tonight as the song. And
<v Speaker 2>the michelub commercial in itself is like its own little
<v Speaker 2>Miami Vice episode.
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty cool. Okay. But here's the thing.
<v Speaker 2>This song was not going to be released as a
<v Speaker 2>single until that commercial really took off.
<v Speaker 3>Oh so the commercial using the song came out before
<v Speaker 3>the song. It came out as a single.
<v Speaker 2>It came out first, and Tony Banks says that if
<v Speaker 2>it hadn't been for that commercial, we wouldn't have released it.
<v Speaker 3>It been like just this long thing, kind of like Domino. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I mean I noticed whenever I listened to it on
<v Speaker 3>the album, I was surprised at how long it was.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the song's something like nine minutes long. Yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>And so they released it and it goes to number
<v Speaker 2>three the list I do so. Number five is come
<v Speaker 2>Go with Me by Expose, which I it's a dance song.
<v Speaker 3>I like it.
<v Speaker 2>Number four Let's Wait a While by Jenny Jackson. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you ain't getting any Tonight song, right, okay? Number three
<v Speaker 2>Tonight Tonight Tonight. Number two Lean On Me by Club nouveau.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that was everywhere it was.
<v Speaker 2>And then number one, Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now.
<v Speaker 3>By Starship, Oh my gosh, this big hit from Annequin.
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say this the big hit for me.
<v Speaker 3>How does this song not beat those two songs? I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I don't know. This song is among the
<v Speaker 3>best in the album.
<v Speaker 2>I almost spike the football, but I've got I'm holding
<v Speaker 2>out for one.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's interesting. I'm holding out too. Well, we'll see
<v Speaker 3>how it goes. I've actually got a surprise discovery on
<v Speaker 3>this album too, so I'm anxious to talk about that
<v Speaker 3>one as well.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have a nugget on this song that I'm
<v Speaker 2>dying to tell, but that you are raining me in
<v Speaker 2>on this.
<v Speaker 3>So tell the story.
<v Speaker 2>So last, So I'm watching the video for Tonight Tonight Tonight, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking at the location where this video was shot,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, wait a minute, I recognize this place.
<v Speaker 2>I know where they are, And so I tell you,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, watch this video and tell me if
<v Speaker 2>I'm crazy. Yeah, I didn't google this, I just recognized it.
<v Speaker 2>And You're like, hey, I think it's where this movie
<v Speaker 2>was shot, and I'm like me.
<v Speaker 3>Too, uh huh, and you looked it up. Then I
<v Speaker 3>googled it and we were right. We are right. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So now, well we're gonna leave this as a little teaser.
<v Speaker 3>Where this video was shot. Another movie that we have
<v Speaker 3>covered in the past was shot at the same place.
<v Speaker 3>If you're listening to my voice right now, comment on
<v Speaker 3>the YouTube video, or comment on the Spotify or whatever
<v Speaker 3>podcast you're using, or email us or hit us up
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter or whatever. But you tell us what you
<v Speaker 3>think the movie was that used the same setting as
<v Speaker 3>the Tonight Tonight Tonight video, And I will give you
<v Speaker 3>one more hint. June nineteen eighty two. That's too easy.
<v Speaker 3>You can't tell that. I can. There are a lot
<v Speaker 3>of fantastic movie that came out in June of nineteen
<v Speaker 3>eighty two, and we've covered several of them. But okay,
<v Speaker 3>there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that nugget just wants to leap out of my now.
<v Speaker 3>When you very first told me, you were like, I've
<v Speaker 3>got this nugget that's dying to come out, and I
<v Speaker 3>was like, are we talking about trivia or are the
<v Speaker 3>Fouwel movement? Yes, okay, I suppose that it's a good
<v Speaker 3>ending for that for that song, right, What's next on
<v Speaker 3>the album, my friend?
<v Speaker 2>Next song on the album is a song called Land
<v Speaker 2>of Confusion.
<v Speaker 3>Spike in the Football. This is the best song on
<v Speaker 3>the album. This is the best song on it. It
<v Speaker 3>is best song of this This is the one song
<v Speaker 3>off the album that I had downloaded on my phone
<v Speaker 3>for years now because it's it's just that good. It's
<v Speaker 3>so good, right, yes, and it's so eighties yes. And
<v Speaker 3>then you've got with the video, You've got this incredible
<v Speaker 3>time capsule from that time period. And we're talking about
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty six, and Gorbachev and Reagan are at the
<v Speaker 3>front of your TV at all times. Everybody is fully
<v Speaker 3>invested in the Cold War, and who would have guessed
<v Speaker 3>that a mere three years later the wall would come
<v Speaker 3>tumbling down and Communism would fall. Okay, So the Muppets
<v Speaker 3>or whatever these guys are, they're the spitting image guys
<v Speaker 3>like Sidough. I used to watch this show. They had
<v Speaker 3>a show on HBO and obviously, as you've noted, they're
<v Speaker 3>they're like puppets, but it was a very adult humor
<v Speaker 3>kind of show that they had on HBO, and I
<v Speaker 3>used to watch them all the time, and then when
<v Speaker 3>I saw this video, I was like, Oh, these are
<v Speaker 3>these guys and they're they're caricatures. Caricatures of Phil Collins
<v Speaker 3>and Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks are all on point.
<v Speaker 3>You've got this whole kind of weird Ronald Reagan's having
<v Speaker 3>a dream where he's Superman trying to save the world
<v Speaker 3>from the Ebel Gorbachef, and I think the video ends
<v Speaker 3>with him accidentally setting off the nuclear bomb.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I've got the list on who is actually
<v Speaker 2>featured in this video. Keep in mind, every one of
<v Speaker 2>these puppets cost ten thousand dollars.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>Ten thousand bucks for each one of these wow, which
<v Speaker 2>is probably why they shot the Invisible Touch video in
<v Speaker 2>a warehouse with handheld cameras.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you've.
<v Speaker 2>Got Ronald and Nancy Reagan. You also have Bonzo, which is.
<v Speaker 3>The monkey from Rocky, the Ronald Reagan movie. That's right.
<v Speaker 3>What was it bringing a Bonzo? Bringing up Bonzo? That's right.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, You've got Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, You've
<v Speaker 2>got Mussolini, Komani, Gorbachef, Kadafi. Then you've got a Rhino.
<v Speaker 2>You've got Johnny Carson, Richard, Nick Spock, Bob Hope. You
<v Speaker 2>have dinosaurs, you have Margaret Thatcher, you have Prince, Pete Townsend,
<v Speaker 2>Tina Turner, Madonna with a talking belly button. So you
<v Speaker 2>have Grace Jones, Mick Jagger. It's basically a recreation of
<v Speaker 2>that We Are in the World video. You got Michael Jackson,
<v Speaker 2>Bette Midler.
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what I thought.
<v Speaker 2>Princess Diana, right, Princess Diana Sting, Bruce Springsteen, Hulk Cogan,
<v Speaker 2>and Pope John Paul the Second on guitar.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's I don't know how many names you just mentioned,
<v Speaker 3>but if each one of those is really ten thousand dollars,
<v Speaker 3>that's an expensive cast of character. That's yes.
<v Speaker 2>So this won the nineteen eighty seven Grammy for Best
<v Speaker 2>Concept Video.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 2>It was also up for six categories in the TV
<v Speaker 2>Music Awards, Okay, and it lost every single category to Sledgehammer.
<v Speaker 3>That's tragic, right, And listen, this is a.
<v Speaker 2>One of the most iconic music videos of the eighties. Absolutely, so,
<v Speaker 2>I think it can be attributed to the success of
<v Speaker 2>the song, but I also kind of feel like it's
<v Speaker 2>an anchor around the song because the video is silly
<v Speaker 2>and the song is serious.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean it's
<v Speaker 3>a serious subject. But I mean that's what satire is is.
<v Speaker 3>It's making funny comments about something that's very serious.
<v Speaker 2>This was the third single. It reached number four on
<v Speaker 2>the Hot one hundred YEP. Number three is selelev by
<v Speaker 2>Robbie Neville. It's a good one. I liked it. Number
<v Speaker 2>two Open Your Heart by Madonna, okay, kind of the
<v Speaker 2>peep Show video, and number one at This Moment by
<v Speaker 2>Billy Vera and the.
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've got a quick story on the creation of
<v Speaker 2>this song. Okay, okay, So this is a Mike Rutherford song.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So he was in charge of writing the lyrics for
<v Speaker 2>this song.
<v Speaker 3>Ye okay.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was really sick and they were up to
<v Speaker 2>like this massive deadline. They had to get it done.
<v Speaker 2>And so he has like the flu, He's got like
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and three temperature. He's in bed dying. So
<v Speaker 2>Phil goes to his house and sits there like a
<v Speaker 2>secretary and is like, all right, here's the next verset
<v Speaker 2>what he got and he just like from his flu
<v Speaker 2>ridden sweatsuch soaked sheets, he gives him the lyrics to
<v Speaker 2>this song. Wow, and you get this never Monster.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That's incredible. Yes, that is incredible. I cannot believe
<v Speaker 3>this didn't hit number one. Blows my mind.
<v Speaker 2>It's better than the two songs in front of it, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>including our Patreon Yeah it is it is. Okay, just
<v Speaker 2>a couple more nuggets for you on this song. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's fantastic. This was the opening concert song in
<v Speaker 2>their nineteen ninety two tour, kicking it off with a bang.
<v Speaker 2>You start the concert with Atlanta Confusion. That's how you
<v Speaker 2>know your catalog is loaded. Yeah, Disturbed, the rock band
<v Speaker 2>Disturbed came out with their version of this song. It
<v Speaker 2>went to number one on the Hot Rocks chart. YEP,
<v Speaker 2>And this is the only song to be featured from
<v Speaker 2>this album in any way on Miami Vice.
<v Speaker 3>Really yes, now, this was the time for any Phil
<v Speaker 3>Collins song to be in Miami Vice. But of this
<v Speaker 3>mega album, there's only one song. You get episode information
<v Speaker 3>for us. Episode is called free Fall. Okay, seems like
<v Speaker 3>they should have got Tom Petty for that one, right, Right.
<v Speaker 2>So I looked at the clip, right, you got Crockett
<v Speaker 2>and Tubs and they're chasing down this bad guy who's
<v Speaker 2>played by Ian McShane, right, and he's a general from
<v Speaker 2>a Central America type of country, Okay, and they're spying
<v Speaker 2>on him and the girl that is bringing a bag
<v Speaker 2>full of money to him. Crockett says, I bet what
<v Speaker 2>she sees in him is right there in that bag.
<v Speaker 3>Bamy Vice classic eighties lines. I love it all right.
<v Speaker 3>Next song on the album, YEP, this song is called
<v Speaker 3>in Too Deep. I was searching, right, this has to
<v Speaker 3>be on the Makeout Playlist of nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one was released in eighty seven, so for me,
<v Speaker 2>it's make Out List eighty seven. Yeah, this song was
<v Speaker 2>written for a movie.
<v Speaker 3>Most people don't even know that. Okay, so this the
<v Speaker 3>movie that you're referring to is the Mona Lisa movie?
<v Speaker 3>Is that right? That's right? So as I understood it,
<v Speaker 3>I heard Phil talk talking about this and the only
<v Speaker 3>reason my ears parked up because you had mentioned this
<v Speaker 3>movie when we were talking before. They had this song
<v Speaker 3>and they had already like composed the song, but when
<v Speaker 3>the people making Mona Lisa hit them up, they're like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>well we've got this, but let's rewrite the lyrics, and
<v Speaker 3>so they adjusted the lyrics to more be in line
<v Speaker 3>with what the movie was. So it wasn't created for
<v Speaker 3>the movie, but they rewrote the lyrics so that it
<v Speaker 3>would make sense with the movie. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So this movie stars Bob Hoskins, which we talked about
<v Speaker 3>as a potential twin of the Third Bear and the
<v Speaker 3>Three Danny de v that's Phil Collins.
<v Speaker 2>And don't forget Kim Basinger is Goldielucks right, right, So
<v Speaker 2>here's my quick Bob Hoskins story.
<v Speaker 3>Right, So I called you last night. We were talking.
<v Speaker 2>If you've ever watched Hooframe Roger Rabbit, it sounds like
<v Speaker 2>he's from Queens. I mean, he's got a New York
<v Speaker 2>accent and blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 3>Weall we hear him on a talk show.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a real thick English accent. Yep, okay, And
<v Speaker 2>he was telling a story. He was asked by Brian
<v Speaker 2>de Palma to star as al Capone in The Untouchables, right,
<v Speaker 2>And so they were talking about it and Bob Hoskin's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to be al Capone, and Brian Opalma said, well,
<v Speaker 2>I've asked Robert de Niro. He's my number one. If
<v Speaker 2>he accepts, I got to give it to him. But
<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't, you're in because he's just really hard
<v Speaker 2>to pin down. So time goes on. Of course, Robert
<v Speaker 2>de Niro accepts and they make the movie. Well Bob
<v Speaker 2>Hoskins thought, well that ship sailed obviously, and they didn't
<v Speaker 2>want me, and I didn't ever hear anything back, and
<v Speaker 2>that's just kind of how it goes. So one day
<v Speaker 2>he goes to his mailbox, and he opens up a
<v Speaker 2>letter from Brian de Palma and it says, dear Bob,
<v Speaker 2>thanks so much.
<v Speaker 3>You know here you.
<v Speaker 2>Go, says check for two hundred thousand dollars, And so
<v Speaker 2>Bob Hoskins sent a letter back to Brian Opalmas, like,
<v Speaker 2>if you ever want me to not be in any
<v Speaker 2>other movies, you just let me know.
<v Speaker 1>Wow?
<v Speaker 3>How about that? Wow that? Yeah? Hey, guys, if you're
<v Speaker 3>ever gonna send me a check in the mail for
<v Speaker 3>two hundred thousand dollars, will you give me a text
<v Speaker 3>let me know it's coming and keep an eye out
<v Speaker 3>for it so I don't shrind it, so you know whatever.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, So this song reached number three in
<v Speaker 2>June of eighty seven. Just keeps.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Here's your top five always by Atlantic Star, Makeout Song
<v Speaker 2>Extraordinary right, number four alone by Heart.
<v Speaker 3>Well we love that for sure, love that makeout song.
<v Speaker 3>Probably my favorite heart song of the eighties, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Number two and Too Deep by Genesis, Number two,
<v Speaker 2>Head to Toe by Lisa Lisa in Cold Jam Jam yep.
<v Speaker 2>And number one I Want to Dance with Somebody.
<v Speaker 3>Whitney Whitney Houston. Wow, Well that's not a bad.
<v Speaker 2>List the album that kept Girls, Girls Girls out of
<v Speaker 2>the number one spot, although Nicky six smells rat go
<v Speaker 2>back to our Girls Girls Girls episode on that. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>all right, everybody hit stop on your tape player, kick
<v Speaker 2>it out, flip it over for a side two, and
<v Speaker 2>we start off with the song anything She Does.
<v Speaker 3>Tell me you don't hear this song and think of
<v Speaker 3>the Heat is on by Glenn Fry from Beverly Hills
<v Speaker 3>Cop three. Yea from Beverly Hills Cop Sorry, Fredian slip
<v Speaker 3>there nightmares about Beverly Hills Cop three. But that the
<v Speaker 3>kind of thumpy bass that they've got on this and
<v Speaker 3>the quick pace, this just very much seems like the
<v Speaker 3>heat is on to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can hear it kind of with that the
<v Speaker 2>horns and stuff, theah yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>That's it. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this has been played a thousand times
<v Speaker 2>at Oklahoma basketball games.
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, right.
<v Speaker 2>I reached out to our resident Oklahoma basketball experts Patreon
<v Speaker 2>members Doug Gray and Blaine Peterson, and I said, guys,
<v Speaker 2>tell me this song. I'm not crazy, this song has
<v Speaker 2>been played at Ou basketball games and they both said
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. I think it was Billy don't forget
<v Speaker 2>my number from Phillip Collins.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, shoot, and maybe it was so because you're
<v Speaker 3>not anywhere I can't find you. All right, Well that's interesting.
<v Speaker 3>So this song was not released as a single. Huh,
<v Speaker 3>but it did have a video. Yeah, yeah, you were
<v Speaker 3>emphatic that I watched the video, and I got to
<v Speaker 3>watch the video. I'm very glad that I did. You
<v Speaker 3>mentioned the page three girl in there, and.
<v Speaker 2>There's two page three girls in there.
<v Speaker 3>Well, there was one on the page three in the
<v Speaker 3>page three, on the page three and then on the camera.
<v Speaker 3>And I told you, I was like, I remember this
<v Speaker 3>video from when I was like ten years old, because
<v Speaker 3>I was like, is she wearing a top? She covered up? There?
<v Speaker 3>Are they allowed to show this? What is going on?
<v Speaker 3>But you've got Benny Hill as the as chief of security,
<v Speaker 3>T Fred Scuttle. Yes, and he says security will not
<v Speaker 3>be laxative here today. Yes. Yeah, we don't want people
<v Speaker 3>coming in without the pass. That's time they came in
<v Speaker 3>and we didn't even invite them, and they had all
<v Speaker 3>the food and then and he's like, if they don't
<v Speaker 3>have a pass, they're out in their ear.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said, let me go see if the boys
<v Speaker 2>are sober. I mean, if you go see the boys
<v Speaker 2>are ready, it's like a farce. He's people are trying
<v Speaker 2>to sneak into the gist.
<v Speaker 3>It's the old Benny Hill gags of you know, quick
<v Speaker 3>frame running around, chasing around people, sneaking in. It's it's
<v Speaker 3>a fun little bit, it really is.
<v Speaker 2>Tony Banks said, the inspiration for this song. Uh huh
<v Speaker 2>were the pin ups and sort of centerfolds that they
<v Speaker 2>had on the wall while they were.
<v Speaker 3>Writing this album. The scantily clad women. Well, everybody needs inspiration.
<v Speaker 3>I told you.
<v Speaker 2>I think Samantha Fox started off as a page three girl.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Also in the video, I noticed there's a whole lot
<v Speaker 2>of Kim Wild gear.
<v Speaker 3>Really, kids in America. Kim Wild, Kim Kids in America.
<v Speaker 3>You keep me hanging on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm guessing she was opening for Genesis at that time.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, very cool.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, did you notice the Princess Diana look
<v Speaker 2>alike in the video?
<v Speaker 3>I did, actually, yes, wearing the little like tuxedo shirt
<v Speaker 3>with a bread bow tie. What kind of outfit was that,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know, but she definitely had
<v Speaker 3>the right color hair, right cut of hair to be
<v Speaker 3>a Princess died Deevil.
<v Speaker 2>If you haven't heard our Princess Diana Story with Phil Collins.
<v Speaker 3>Go back and check out that episode. It is worth.
<v Speaker 3>It is worth the listen. I read last week on
<v Speaker 3>No Jacket Record. That's great, Okay. Next song on the
<v Speaker 3>album is called Domino.
<v Speaker 1>No need to look outside.
<v Speaker 2>To see.
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So my first question for you is is this
<v Speaker 3>separated on the tape, because if it's on Spotify, you're
<v Speaker 3>looking at Domino parentheses Part one and two. Did they
<v Speaker 3>separate it out on the DVD or CD or the
<v Speaker 3>tape or any of that. I don't believe. So, so
<v Speaker 3>this is a part one and part two songs. And
<v Speaker 3>my next question is which part do you like better?
<v Speaker 3>I like the last Domino better. Yeah, part two is
<v Speaker 3>my choice as well. The first part I was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>this is gonna be a long, ten minute song. But
<v Speaker 3>then in about four minutes in they downshift and it
<v Speaker 3>becomes a thumping, epic arena rock kind of song. And
<v Speaker 3>I love the second half for sure.
<v Speaker 2>They're really proud of this one, yeah, and I'm just
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, okay, whatever, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not a single. It's more like Old Genesis.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's longer. They're kind of weaving here and there.
<v Speaker 3>So we say Old Genesis. We still really haven't talked
<v Speaker 3>about them as a band and how they the Genesis
<v Speaker 3>of Genesis if you will, all right, yeah, okay. So
<v Speaker 3>Charterhouse founded in sixteen eleven by Thomas Sutton. About four
<v Speaker 3>hundred years later, four hundred and fifty years later, the
<v Speaker 3>boys Peter Gabriel and Tony Banks and eventually Mike Rutherford
<v Speaker 3>and Anthony Phillips Aunt Phillips all were going to school
<v Speaker 3>there and all hated it and kind of hit it
<v Speaker 3>off with each other about how much they hated the school,
<v Speaker 3>and so Tony Banks and Peter Gabriel started a band
<v Speaker 3>with a drummer named Chris Stewart, and that band was
<v Speaker 3>called Garden Wall Yes. And then Mike Rutherford and Anthony
<v Speaker 3>Phillips were in a band called A Noon for Anonymous,
<v Speaker 3>which I guess they had to be anonymous because apparently
<v Speaker 3>it was against the rules to play the music, and
<v Speaker 3>Mike Rutherford actually got banned had to leave to leave
<v Speaker 3>the band because he got banned from playing the guitar
<v Speaker 3>for a time, and then eventually got the band lifted
<v Speaker 3>and was able to play with a non again. But
<v Speaker 3>you know, Chris left the band and Mike Rutherford and
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Phillips and Peter Gabriel and Tony Banks all joined
<v Speaker 3>up together to form a new band. And they were
<v Speaker 3>actually doing some pretty good music. And there was a
<v Speaker 3>kid from Charterhouse who had gone to school there about
<v Speaker 3>four years earlier, who had had a kind of a
<v Speaker 3>hit single. His name was Jonathan Hill, and his hit
<v Speaker 3>single was Everyone's Been to the Moon. I listened to
<v Speaker 3>it today, it sounds like a song from the sixties.
<v Speaker 3>It's just a kind of yeah, it's just a kind
<v Speaker 3>of a groovy, little yeah, groovy kind of love if
<v Speaker 3>you will nice. And so they contacted him. They were like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>you know, can you help us get signed, get a
<v Speaker 3>record deal, get recorded, all that stuff. And he had
<v Speaker 3>made a little money off of the single, and he
<v Speaker 3>absolutely fell in love with Peter Gabriel's voice, and so
<v Speaker 3>he said, yes, but your band needs to change his name.
<v Speaker 3>My suggestion is Gabriel's Angels. Yeah, okay, cool, And so
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure Peter was fine with that, but everybody else
<v Speaker 3>was like, uh, how a new I'm out on that.
<v Speaker 3>So Jonathan Hill's next suggestion was, yes, I want to
<v Speaker 3>keep this keep a biblical idea. Why don't you guys
<v Speaker 3>use the band name Genesis? And everybody was cool with that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like, hey, it's the beginning of a thing,
<v Speaker 3>So Genesis seems appropriate. And so Jonathan Hill works with
<v Speaker 3>them to produce their very first album, which is called
<v Speaker 3>From Genesis to Revelation. I like it. It sold whopping
<v Speaker 3>six hundred and forty nine copies. Hey got start somewhere,
<v Speaker 3>that's right. So when it did as poorly as that,
<v Speaker 3>Jonathan Hill was out, which is probably good for them
<v Speaker 3>because around the time that these albums that we're talking
<v Speaker 3>about today were coming out, he was involved in some
<v Speaker 3>things that would get him in trouble. About fifteen years later,
<v Speaker 3>two thousand, he gets accused by twenty seven men of
<v Speaker 3>having had inappropriate sexual relations with them when they were
<v Speaker 3>fourteen and fifteen years old back in the mid eighties,
<v Speaker 3>and five of the twenty seven charges stick. He got
<v Speaker 3>acquitted on twenty two, but five of them he was
<v Speaker 3>found guilty got sentenced to seven years in prison. Fought it,
<v Speaker 3>of course, still fighting it, still advocating that it didn't happen.
<v Speaker 3>But yes, the guy who came up with the very
<v Speaker 3>biblical band name for Genesis is a sex sitter. Okay, wow, okay, well,
<v Speaker 3>so how does Phil become involved in Genesis? Okay, So
<v Speaker 3>you've got Peter Gabriel singing, you've got Anthony Phillips playing guitar,
<v Speaker 3>Microtherford is playing bass at this time, Tony Banks is
<v Speaker 3>still playing keyboard. They all can play other instruments, and
<v Speaker 3>so they'll switch around, especially if they're doing kind of
<v Speaker 3>pastoral songs or something like that. But while it's them,
<v Speaker 3>they do from Genesis to Revelation, they do trespass. So
<v Speaker 3>those guys together do from Genesis to Revelation in sixty nine,
<v Speaker 3>they do trespass in seventy, Nursery Crime in seventy one,
<v Speaker 3>and Foxtrot in seventy two. Okay, and so it's at
<v Speaker 3>Foxtrot this is the stage like they're doing their best,
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to make it, but they still haven't had
<v Speaker 3>a lot of success. But then Peter Gabriel walks out
<v Speaker 3>on stage in a woman a red woman's evening gown
<v Speaker 3>with a gigantic fox head over his head. Uh huh,
<v Speaker 3>And I think you mentioned to me that the other
<v Speaker 3>guys had a response to this. They were like what,
<v Speaker 3>they had no idea he was going to do it,
<v Speaker 3>no idea, And so there he is on stage and
<v Speaker 3>they're like, what the what does Peter do? You know? Right? Well,
<v Speaker 3>the answer is it was a gimmick. And the solution
<v Speaker 3>is the gimmick worked because overnight, because it was such
<v Speaker 3>a ridiculous presentation, they got tons of news coverage and
<v Speaker 3>suddenly they were getting asked to do more shows, bigger shows,
<v Speaker 3>more money. And so for Foxtrot, that was that was
<v Speaker 3>that album. That album sales picked up after that stunt,
<v Speaker 3>and then they release Selling England by the Pound, which
<v Speaker 3>is where they get their biggest to that at that
<v Speaker 3>point hit. And then a guy named William Freakin. William Friedkin,
<v Speaker 3>you remember who that is? He wrote the Exorcist? Is
<v Speaker 3>that right? I think he directed the Exercisa, Yes, but
<v Speaker 3>he was That's who he was, Yes, the director of
<v Speaker 3>the Exorcist. And he's reading their album notes and he's like,
<v Speaker 3>I would really like to write a movie with this
<v Speaker 3>Peter Gabriel guy. I think he's really got something like
<v Speaker 3>on my weird kind of horrific spectrum. I want to
<v Speaker 3>write a movie with him, and so he approaches him
<v Speaker 3>and Peter Gabriel is like, hey, guys, you know this
<v Speaker 3>big movie directors asked me to help him write a movie.
<v Speaker 3>Is it okay with you if I could do that?
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, we're not finished with the album. No,
<v Speaker 3>it's not okay, and they basically are like, if you're leave,
<v Speaker 3>you're leaving the band. And he's like, well, okay, and
<v Speaker 3>he goes and does it, and it's this kind of
<v Speaker 3>scary moment and William Friedkin's like, I don't want to
<v Speaker 3>break up the band. So he basically is like, this
<v Speaker 3>is just a maybe thing. You know, you shouldn't do this,
<v Speaker 3>and he sends Peter back. But at that point, that
<v Speaker 3>kind of possibility of like Peter may just up and
<v Speaker 3>quit any time. Is now a parent. And then he
<v Speaker 3>becomes a parent. He has a little son who has
<v Speaker 3>some medical issues and what he's wanting to spend more
<v Speaker 3>time with the son and these young dumb musicians are like, listen, man,
<v Speaker 3>you need to be committed. And he was like, you
<v Speaker 3>know what, it's okay. I'm just gonna you guys keep
<v Speaker 3>going and I'm gonna go do something else.
<v Speaker 2>It is kind of like telling your wife like, what
<v Speaker 2>do you think about maybe getting a divorce and then saying, oh.
<v Speaker 3>I just kidd't. Yeah, you know, not really not really
<v Speaker 3>at that moment it fractured. Well, but you got to
<v Speaker 3>tell the story how Phil Collins gets involved because this
<v Speaker 3>is all after Phil. Okay, right, I'm sorry, Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>forgot about how so they lose they lose their drummer
<v Speaker 3>and so they put out an ad in the paper.
<v Speaker 3>And as I mentioned, when we did a Phil Collins episode,
<v Speaker 3>Phil had been an actor. Was at starred as the
<v Speaker 3>artful Dodger in Oliver on at west End, which is
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's a big deal. And he had said, Dad,
<v Speaker 3>I'm giving up acting. I'm going to go be a musician.
<v Speaker 3>And he was. He was basically panhandling, going door to
<v Speaker 3>door trying to find stuff, and he sees this ad
<v Speaker 3>and melody maker of this audition for to play with
<v Speaker 3>this band, and he recognized the band name and he
<v Speaker 3>goes over to listen to I sent you that ad yesterday,
<v Speaker 3>Yes you did, yes.
<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of trying to be a nonymous like
<v Speaker 2>we need a drummer for an established band, but we're
<v Speaker 2>not telling you who it is, and that way people
<v Speaker 2>won't freak out.
<v Speaker 3>Right, And so he said when he showed up, he
<v Speaker 3>was in awe at first because these guys, this charter
<v Speaker 3>school they met at is a high dollar school, right,
<v Speaker 3>and he grew up in a much lower class, if
<v Speaker 3>he will. But he was amazed at the house that
<v Speaker 3>he was at. But he showed up with a bunch
<v Speaker 3>of other guys who are auditioning, and he said, I
<v Speaker 3>just kind of chilled out and hung out at the pool,
<v Speaker 3>but listened to what everybody else was doing. And I
<v Speaker 3>would listen and say, Okay, well there's that guy's mistake.
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm listening to the songs that they're having
<v Speaker 3>them audition. I'm listening to the mistake these guys are making.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, one guy took ten minutes to warm up.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's a terrible idea, and he says, so
<v Speaker 3>by the end of it, he was like, it is.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I probably would have gotten chos in
<v Speaker 3>any way, but I kind of had the upper hand
<v Speaker 3>because I had this opportunity to hear what was going
<v Speaker 3>on here, the mistakes, and then bring my a game.
<v Speaker 2>His buddy went with him. It was a they needed
<v Speaker 2>a guitar player and a drummer, so they both auditioned.
<v Speaker 2>They thought maybe as a team, we might have a
<v Speaker 2>better shot at it. Yeah, and when they left, his buddy,
<v Speaker 2>who is the guitar player, was like, dude, I think
<v Speaker 2>you blew that.
<v Speaker 3>And it feels like really I thought I did. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>you know, yeah, yeah, that's right. So yeah, well, and
<v Speaker 3>then of course Peter continues to do the crazy stuff
<v Speaker 3>with the costumes even more, and it's it's not just
<v Speaker 3>a surprise of the man in the more, it's it's
<v Speaker 3>pissing them off. Like he's like, you can't even with
<v Speaker 3>a giant mask he's got on, he can't even get
<v Speaker 3>his head next to the microphone anymore. That's right, it
<v Speaker 3>doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 2>And we're talking ridiculous costumes like the old Man, and
<v Speaker 2>he's like he looks like the grapes from the Fruit
<v Speaker 2>of the Loom commercials and it's really weird stuff out there.
<v Speaker 3>Stuff. Yeah. So they release a lamb lies down on
<v Speaker 3>Broadway and basically they know that Peter's out at this point.
<v Speaker 3>He comes back to kind of do that tour with them,
<v Speaker 3>but they know and he knows he's ultimately going to
<v Speaker 3>be gone, and so they're they were like, okay, well,
<v Speaker 3>we've got to audition people to be our new singer.
<v Speaker 3>And so Phil has been the backup singer for Peter
<v Speaker 3>Gabriel for multiple albums at this point, and they say, okay, well,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Phil will show you how to sing this
<v Speaker 3>part to each of the new people that are auditioning,
<v Speaker 3>and every time, Phil's like, no, it's not this, it's this.
<v Speaker 3>It's not this, it's this, And the guys are finally
<v Speaker 3>like Phil, like you know the songs, why don't you
<v Speaker 3>do this? And he's like, you know what, Okay, let
<v Speaker 3>me try it, let me see it. Let's see what
<v Speaker 3>I can do. I'll go. I'll give it a go.
<v Speaker 3>And so he sings all of the songs on the album,
<v Speaker 3>and the new album is called a Trick of the
<v Speaker 3>Tale and is the best selling album that they had
<v Speaker 3>had to date, and it was nineteen seventy six. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>After they produced the album, they're like, okay, Phil, well,
<v Speaker 3>I mean you're behind the drums, so we really have
<v Speaker 3>to have a singer out in front, so we're gonna
<v Speaker 3>have to audition singers and find somebody. And he's like
<v Speaker 3>or we could audition other drummers. Yeah, and they're like, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 3>we can do that, and so that's what they did
<v Speaker 3>to tour. A trick of the tale was they had
<v Speaker 3>a new drummer come in the back and Fill got
<v Speaker 3>to come out front.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so you know, you and I were kind
<v Speaker 2>of going through their catalog and at what point did
<v Speaker 2>you become aware of Genesis?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it was it was not until the eighties.
<v Speaker 3>It was not until the eighties. So Steve Hackett had
<v Speaker 3>joined them in nineteen seventy after Aunt Phillips left, and
<v Speaker 3>he had been with them through all of those albums,
<v Speaker 3>but then in seventy seven he literally leaves the band.
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't tell them he's leaving. He literally is just
<v Speaker 3>like silence, Like he ghosts them. As the kids say,
<v Speaker 3>these days, he doesn't show up. I heard this story
<v Speaker 3>like Phil saw him walking on the street and Phil
<v Speaker 3>knew they were supposed to be in the studio. He's like, hey, dude,
<v Speaker 3>do you need a lyft uh huh. Guy's like no,
<v Speaker 3>I'll call you later. I was like, okay, Yeah. He
<v Speaker 3>gets to the studio and they're like, dude, he's out. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he took off. He just left right before they exploded.
<v Speaker 3>Right now, what he does is he goes and starts
<v Speaker 3>a band with Steve Howe from Yes. So that's not
<v Speaker 3>too shabby, that's that's not a bad bet because you've
<v Speaker 3>got Yes who I mean huge prog rock Genesis during
<v Speaker 3>the seventies was one of the prog rock bands right
<v Speaker 3>right up there with Yes and Super Tramp, right yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And so they form a band called gt R, which
<v Speaker 3>is the abbreviation for guitar GTR. I've heard of them.
<v Speaker 3>They have one song that does pretty well, but the
<v Speaker 3>rest of them are just kind of no no hitters,
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't really go anywhere, not.
<v Speaker 2>Like Genesis, who is blowing the roof off in the
<v Speaker 2>eighties and nineties.
<v Speaker 3>Right. So then after after Steve Hackett leaves, it's now
<v Speaker 3>just Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, and Phil Collins. And of
<v Speaker 3>course they named the album and then there were three.
<v Speaker 3>But to answer your question, yes, it was nineteen eighty Misunderstanding.
<v Speaker 3>That was when the Duke is the album that was
<v Speaker 3>it was on Misunderstanding was the song that I first
<v Speaker 3>remember hearing from them. I don't know that I was
<v Speaker 3>like comprehending Genesis was the band that did this, but
<v Speaker 3>I know that song, yeah for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Misunderstanding came out in nineteen eighty I think eighty one
<v Speaker 2>you had No Reply at all in abacab yep, and
<v Speaker 2>then in eighty three You've got That's All, which I
<v Speaker 2>think I had that on one of my best of
<v Speaker 2>eighty three or eighty four.
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember, probably yeah and Mama.
<v Speaker 2>And Mama and taking It All to Hard. That was
<v Speaker 2>a really good song.
<v Speaker 3>I love that one. By the way. That album, which
<v Speaker 3>is called Genesis Yes, was released on October third, nineteen
<v Speaker 3>eighty three. Happy Birthday, d yep, my eighth birthday as
<v Speaker 3>that album was released, and then after eighty three they
<v Speaker 3>go doing their solo projects and then they come back
<v Speaker 3>with Invisible Touch. Yes, all right, ready for our next song,
<v Speaker 3>next song on the album, next on the album Throwing
<v Speaker 3>It All Away, a heartbreaking breakup song. I think this
<v Speaker 3>is like a divorce song, right yeah, yeah, or you know,
<v Speaker 3>if you're in high school, it's breaking up song. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I would have bet my final paycheck that Phil Collins
<v Speaker 2>wrote this song because he was famous for writing breakup
<v Speaker 2>divorce songs.
<v Speaker 3>Sure. The song's written by Mike Rutherford. Oh, okay, Man,
<v Speaker 3>Mike had a ton of the very big hits on
<v Speaker 3>this album.
<v Speaker 2>He had landa confusion, Yeah, and he had thrown it
<v Speaker 2>all away. So this was the second single released August
<v Speaker 2>of eighty six. I do distinctly remember when I broke
<v Speaker 2>up with one of my girlfriends, or actually when she
<v Speaker 2>dumped me. And she dumped me, I was like, you mean,
<v Speaker 2>we're throwing it all three months, three months out the window.
<v Speaker 3>You just gotta throw three of the greatest months of
<v Speaker 3>our lives away? Is that what you tell? What have
<v Speaker 3>we been doing this?
<v Speaker 2>This song reached number four on the Hot one hundred
<v Speaker 2>October eleventh of eighty six.
<v Speaker 3>Tell me the three songs that beat it out? Yeah? Okay?
<v Speaker 3>So three is two of Heart's by Stacey Q. Two
<v Speaker 3>of Heart's, Yeah I know.
<v Speaker 2>Number two is Don't You Forget About Me by the
<v Speaker 2>Simple Minds.
<v Speaker 3>Well word, that's yeah, patre Binder, go back to Patreon.
<v Speaker 3>That's one of the first ones we govered.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, before I give you the number one song, the
<v Speaker 2>number seven song this week is a song called Heartbeat
<v Speaker 2>by Don Johnson. Remember when Don Johnson had a top
<v Speaker 2>ten hit?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do kind of remember that. Yeah, making full
<v Speaker 3>use of his Miami vice power. I'd as well put
<v Speaker 3>out an album. Yeah that's not a bad song though, No,
<v Speaker 3>it's good. I like it.
<v Speaker 2>And the number one song this week is when I
<v Speaker 2>Think of You Jenna Jackson.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize she was so big that early in
<v Speaker 3>the eighties. That was her first big album. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>wow good.
<v Speaker 2>I almost like the football. Is this being the best
<v Speaker 2>song on the album? I absolutely love it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's beautiful. I think it kind of fits with
<v Speaker 3>no jacket required.
<v Speaker 2>It's just that that sort of pump ballad thing that
<v Speaker 2>Phil had going. Yeah, so I love it.
<v Speaker 3>It's a really good song. Yeah, yeah, no, it's it
<v Speaker 3>is a good one, obviously, very memorable from that time period,
<v Speaker 3>kind of sat though. It's not a makeout it's a
<v Speaker 3>it's a breakout break and I don't want to listen
<v Speaker 3>to a breakup song. I don't even want to slow
<v Speaker 3>dance to a breakup song. Last song on the album,
<v Speaker 3>Here we Go, This is my new discovery. This song
<v Speaker 3>is called the Brazilian Okay, so to me, this has
<v Speaker 3>got to be a throwback to the Frog days. And
<v Speaker 3>once I was forty seconds in and I hadn't heard
<v Speaker 3>any lyrics, and I kind of saw the way the
<v Speaker 3>music was going. I'm like, oh, we're not going to
<v Speaker 3>get any lyrics on this one. And then I was
<v Speaker 3>listening more carefully of the drums. I'm like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because we're getting we're getting pill on the full nineteen seventies.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if I may bring it all back to
<v Speaker 3>what I said before, I think it was in our
<v Speaker 3>No Jacket Required album. His drumming blew my mind. When
<v Speaker 3>you go listen to band X, which was his side
<v Speaker 3>project when they were doing their stuff in the seventies,
<v Speaker 3>his drumming is astoundingly good. It's like he makes Lars
<v Speaker 3>Ulrich look like a baby good Like it's so good.
<v Speaker 3>And here it is in this kind of cool eighties
<v Speaker 3>instrumental powerhouse. I could see this definitely being on Miami
<v Speaker 3>Vice episode or even like a full movie of something
<v Speaker 3>along those lines. How about Magnum Pi. Could you see
<v Speaker 3>being a Magnum Pi? Absolutely? This was used in an
<v Speaker 3>episode of Magnum p I. There you go, right yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It's also used in an eighty six movie called Win
<v Speaker 2>the Wind Blows.
<v Speaker 3>You ever seen that one? I have not? You ever seen?
<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa I have not you ever seen Playing for Keeps,
<v Speaker 2>the one he used in No Jacket Required.
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen Buster either. I haven't seen Vester. I
<v Speaker 3>haveven not seen any of those movies. I haven't.
<v Speaker 1>No.
<v Speaker 2>This won a Grammy for Best Pop Instrumental Performance.
<v Speaker 3>It's fantastic and I love it. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
<v Speaker 3>Is new discovery for me. I'd never heard it before.
<v Speaker 3>I listened to this album and this I loved it.
<v Speaker 2>All right, d we're at the end of our trinity
<v Speaker 2>of Genesis, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel. Let us ascend now
<v Speaker 2>to final judgment.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, first we got to bring in Chad Briggs and
<v Speaker 3>he will give us his take on these three albums
<v Speaker 3>and how he ranks them.
<v Speaker 4>Chad go for Buddy, So I think I would put
<v Speaker 4>as number three Invisible Touch, and it's not as slight
<v Speaker 4>against the album. But interestingly, I never owned the album
<v Speaker 4>Invisible Touch. I don't know why I owned everything else
<v Speaker 4>from Genesis. I owned the earlier stuff, even like the
<v Speaker 4>very very first album. I owned the CDs for it.
<v Speaker 4>For some reason, a Visible Touch just sort of slipped
<v Speaker 4>through the fingers. But for whatever reason, it just didn't it,
<v Speaker 4>did it? Didn't play as large a role in my
<v Speaker 4>life at that time. Number two I would probably put
<v Speaker 4>no Jacket Required. Now, this is really tough for me,
<v Speaker 4>because if you would have asked me back in the
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighties, I think no Jacket Required would have been
<v Speaker 4>number one. I owned the cassette. I played it all
<v Speaker 4>the time. Loved the videos, especially Billy Don't Lose My Number.
<v Speaker 4>I loved the video for that Take Me Home as
<v Speaker 4>an exchange student was really really hit with me. And
<v Speaker 4>you know, and Phil Collins was one of the first
<v Speaker 4>people to do these big world tours, and so the
<v Speaker 4>video I think sort of encapsulated that. But for whatever reason,
<v Speaker 4>it didn't follow me into my adult life, and so
<v Speaker 4>that leaves no umber one. I would say, And this
<v Speaker 4>was probably not a surprise from you if you heard
<v Speaker 4>me talking about Peter Gabriel, soo right. It was the
<v Speaker 4>first music CD I ever owned. Luckily I owned the
<v Speaker 4>CD so that the proper song was in the end
<v Speaker 4>position that Peter Gabriel so was just so much of
<v Speaker 4>my life. I owned the CD because I gave it
<v Speaker 4>as a gift to my best friend Eric, who had
<v Speaker 4>introduced me to Peter Gabriel, introduced me to Pink Floyd
<v Speaker 4>introduced me to all of the early sort of English
<v Speaker 4>seventies rock, like like Dire Straits Queen. His parents had
<v Speaker 4>already boughtom the CD for Christmas, and so he gave
<v Speaker 4>it back to me, and so I owned the C
<v Speaker 4>I had the CD. I did not own a CD
<v Speaker 4>player until years later, but it stuck with me. I
<v Speaker 4>still own the CD. I still have that CD.
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.
<v Speaker 4>But the songs from that I think just sort of
<v Speaker 4>carried over into my adult life into Peter Gabel's US album,
<v Speaker 4>which I know I mentioned to your earlier d like.
<v Speaker 4>I was there in October nineteen ninety two when they
<v Speaker 4>released the album. Went to the exclusive Company store in Madison,
<v Speaker 4>Wisconsin at midnight so that I could be one of
<v Speaker 4>the first people to own it. I went out of
<v Speaker 4>my way to buy the bootleg copies of early Genesis
<v Speaker 4>when I lived in Budapest in the early nineties, and
<v Speaker 4>then later I did go back and buy the proper CDs.
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that to me was the top album. And again,
<v Speaker 4>not to not to malign any of the Genesis songs,
<v Speaker 4>I need to Phil Collins stuff. Still always loved him,
<v Speaker 4>but for me so was was that?
<v Speaker 3>Was it?
<v Speaker 4>That was one of my favorite albums of all time?
<v Speaker 3>Thanks Jed, Yeah, thank you Chad. Okay, not a big surprise.
<v Speaker 3>Surprise surprise there. Chad started the conversation we had with Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I want to do so and what else? So do
<v Speaker 3>you guys want to right exactly? He planned his flag
<v Speaker 3>pretty early on that one. Okay, I want you to
<v Speaker 3>go first. I want me to go, you go first.
<v Speaker 3>So this is this is really interesting to me because
<v Speaker 3>I had never listened to the entire album of any
<v Speaker 3>of these three albums before we started doing this. I
<v Speaker 3>was obviously very familiar with tons of the of the
<v Speaker 3>songs that are on it because of the singles that
<v Speaker 3>are out, and when Chad suggested so, I was like,
<v Speaker 3>is there something on them? Beside is that the one
<v Speaker 3>Sledgehammer on it? I don't even couldn't even remember any
<v Speaker 3>of the other songs now. Of course, once I once
<v Speaker 3>I reviewed it, I was like, oh, these are these
<v Speaker 3>are all incredibly good songs, but the other two albums
<v Speaker 3>have more nostalgia for me than So does and Sledgehammer
<v Speaker 3>I was tired of it by the time when it's
<v Speaker 3>full run, so I got to put so at number three. Now,
<v Speaker 3>what I have left is basically Phil Collins versus Phil
<v Speaker 3>Collins here, And it's hard. This is really really hard
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like that Invisible Touch has more stronger songs,
<v Speaker 3>but I feel like No Jacket Require has stronger, stronger songs.
<v Speaker 3>Like it's not as many, but it's I feel like
<v Speaker 3>No Jacket Requires when it hits, it hits harder than
<v Speaker 3>Invisible Touch. Interesting, Okay, And so it's very This is
<v Speaker 3>a very very close call for me, but I have
<v Speaker 3>to pick as number one. No Jacket Required. Invisible Touch
<v Speaker 3>is a very very close song.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's so interesting. Okay, So I'm glad you
<v Speaker 2>went first because I've been wrestling with this all day.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm with you.
<v Speaker 2>I think there are brilliant songs on Peter Gabriel's album,
<v Speaker 2>so I definitely didn't know it as well. It did
<v Speaker 2>rise in my eyes after taking a deep dive with
<v Speaker 2>Chad and him guiding us through that.
<v Speaker 3>So moved the needle for me. It did move the
<v Speaker 3>needle for me.
<v Speaker 2>I appreciated it definitely more now than I did. And
<v Speaker 2>then I'm looking at No Jacket Required, which I owned,
<v Speaker 2>an Invisible Touch, which I owned and I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 2>these songs are so good and they are so anchored
<v Speaker 2>in those years. For me, eighty five eighty six, No
<v Speaker 2>Jacket Required is kind of like Star Wars in that
<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with it right.
<v Speaker 3>Off the bat.
<v Speaker 2>I love the songs. There's a lot of them. They're
<v Speaker 2>all good. There's no skippers, and there's even a bonus song,
<v Speaker 2>which I think is amazing. But Invisible Touch for me,
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like Empire strikes back, just what I
<v Speaker 2>didn't think it could be any better. I think those
<v Speaker 2>songs just hit me harder. Yeah, Land of Confusion, Invisible Touch,
<v Speaker 2>Tonight Tonight, Tonight, Throwing it All Away, those are just
<v Speaker 2>amazing songs. So by a nose, yeah, by one of
<v Speaker 2>Mike Rutherford's beard hairs.
<v Speaker 3>Invisible Touch ekes out No Jacket Required with so finishing thirty. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>All right, well there you go, folks. Tell us what
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<v Speaker 2>So next week we're actually, this is totally coincidental, but
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<v Speaker 2>of weird science, a sort of snobs versus slobs, you know,
<v Speaker 2>almost a revenge of the Nerds type of story with
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<v Speaker 2>Next week as we dive into weird science versus real genius.
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