Parents getting charged with child abuse after their child crashes their ebike

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Speaker 1: And a very happy Monday to you.

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Speaker 2: At twelve oh six in the West eats the John Phillip Show, Mister Randy wags across the glass John. Over the weekend, the statewide teachers union California Teachers Association made their big endorsement in the governor's race, and they did not endorse Tom Steyer.

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Speaker 1: We're a big ass crisis.

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Speaker 2: And they did not endorse Katie Porter. They endorsed Eric Swolwell for governor. Get that money, which leads me to believe that he has got a deal with them to bail out any school district that goes bankrupt. Because they gave the teachers a very generous pay increase.

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Speaker 3: We demand higher pay.

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Speaker 1: That is definitely possible.

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Speaker 2: Being a member of Congress, where you just vote on things, and you just typically vote the party line as expected, you don't really get a lot of blowbacks when you go.

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Speaker 1: Back to the district.

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Speaker 2: If he starts bailing out all of these school districts, or more likely he starts bailing out the favored school districts and not bailing out the other school districts, I don't think he's prepared for the kind of blowback that he's going to get and I want you to be all the way when you get that endorsement. That's who owns you. And now they know that they own him, so why not go for the gold. It was already strike at Palooza, it's about to get even crazier. Let's not forget we're just a couple of weeks away from the LAUSD strike. Yeah, just ask for the moon. You have a superintendent who's under federal investigation right now, so it's not like the district can push back and just say, here's the deal. We own the guy who might be the next governor, and he's going to bail us out, So just give us what we want and life will be a lot easier.

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Speaker 1: That is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred two two two five two two two is the telephone number? What eight hundred two two two five two two two.

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Speaker 1: We've spent a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of time on this program talking about all of the havoc that's being reeked by teenagers on e bikes. We've talked about how cities seem to be flummocks with what to do about it. But there's one place in northern California that I think is hitting the nail on the head. In fact, over the weekend there were two different cases, one in Benetia and one in Walnut Creek, where enough is enough. Parents in there are starting to get charged with child abuse and child endangerment for letting their child crash on an e motorcycle. Let's stop calling them e bikes. Their motorcycle good for them. Let's not forget that the whole idea of e bikes was an incredibly misguided attempt by the California Air Resources Board to get cars off the road. So we gave vouchers to Californians for two thousand dollars. Off of these things, people gave them to their brady kids, and their brady kids turned into monsters. And even if you bought one of the ones that can only go up to twenty miles an hour, there's TikTok videos on how to hack them to make them go fifty miles an hour. In the old days, you had to worry about the Hell's angels giving you a hard time. Now it's a teenager named Trevor. Let's start with what happened in Benetia. Here's Kron for.

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Speaker 4: Contra Costa County District Attorney's Office, accuses fifty eight year old parents, Stephen Cruz and Gina Gabelini, of allowing their unlicensed teenage son to commute from their home in Benicia to high school and conquered for up to a year using an Emoto dirt bike.

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Speaker 1: That is, and they did not want to drive him to school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no kidding, that is until Walnut Creek police say he was involved in a crash with a minivan at Treat Boulevard and Arkell Road last September.

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Speaker 2: Now, before you ask, I have no way to confirm or deny if that was Katie Porter's minivan, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Out of my shop.

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Speaker 2: If that was her minivan, I don't think she would have called the cops. I think she would have handled it herself.

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Speaker 3: Sorry for the noise, I'm cutting carrots.

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Speaker 4: The boy was hospitalized with serious injuries. The driver of the minivan walked away unscathed.

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Speaker 2: Well, how much how much damage is going to happen to the mini van when an e bike crashes into it? No, you're going to be hosing Trevor off the grill of that minivan.

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Speaker 4: The boy's parents were each charged with one misdemeanor count of child abuse. Both clients were excused from appeering for their arraignment at County Superior Court Friday in Martinez, their attorneys entering not guilty, please on their behalf.

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Speaker 2: What's your defense, Well, we could have driven him to school, but we didn't want to wake up that early.

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Speaker 4: Police say the boy was riding recklessly at the time of the crash.

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Speaker 1: Because he's a child.

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Speaker 2: You're giving somebody that does not have a fully developed brain a straight up motorcycle. That's even less danger that's even more dangerous. That's what they do. Teenagers don't do the right thing. They do the fun thing. But the teenager usually can't buy the e bike on their own with their lawnmower money. The teenager gets bought the e bike by the parents, so yes, the parent should be held responsible. And then they get subsidized by the rest of us because that comes from cap and trade money, because that's supposed to be cleaning up the environment. How many cars is that taken off the road? Well, one minivan at least.

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Speaker 4: Police say the boy was riding recklessly at the time of the crash.

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Speaker 5: From here, we're going to be a little proactive and try to get mister Cruz and his wife back in maybe some parenting classes and some other outreach thing.

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Speaker 2: What do you think those classes are like? Do you think those are taught at the adult education center. I'm glad they never gave me that folder, the parenting classes for parents that let their kids crash on e bikes. All I taught was anger management, high school equivalency, and the success program.

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Speaker 5: Uh so this get's prevented. I always call it prevention, that correction. We're gonna try to correct this one to prevent it from happening all through society for that matter.

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Speaker 4: Judge Charles Treat demanded the couple prohibit their son's access to the Emoto bike until the case is resolved. The DA's office says, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, it would be a real quick fix for all of this. And considering that it's a requirement for street legal motorcycles, maybe you need to have insurance to use one of these things. And how about a license, because if you get an actual motorcycle, don't you have to pass a specialized test proving you know how to use it? Yes, it's the m one test, This says.

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Speaker 4: Cruise and Gabolini continued allowing their son to ride the bike despite repeated citations and warnings from law enforcement. Long at Freak police say, the.

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Speaker 2: Bike, so this is after Jenison, after Janison, after Janison, after Janison.

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Speaker 1: That's your final warning.

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Speaker 2: And they kept citing him for riding dangerously. He'd bring the citation off to mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy still let him ride the bicycle, and so he finally crashes, and that's when they charge the parents with child abuse.

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Speaker 4: Good Long at Freak police say, the bike is prohibited on public roads.

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Speaker 6: So are teenagers and sometimes preteens that ride these. They need to be educated on how to ride safely. And that's really the.

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Speaker 1: Key, and they're totally going to pay attention.

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Speaker 4: They need.

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Speaker 2: You have to drive a car safely, because you don't get to drive one unless you pass the test. You know, we hear about quote unquote loopholes all the time. In Sacramento. You have to have a license for a car, you have to have a license for a truck, you have to have a license for a motorcycle. But for this there's no age requirement and it's anything goes well. And even the restrictions that certain neighborhoods in certain cities are trying to put forth. It's way too little, way too late, Like Carlsbad's trying to be celebrated because they just rolled out. Okay, you gotta be twelve. What is the name of the license for motorcycles again, it's the M one, and scooters are M two, M one and M two. Okay, if we require a license for these e bikes, we should call it the FU.

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Speaker 6: They need to be educated on how to ride safely, and that's really the key, is that if you're going to use these vehicles, ride them safely, not only for yourself, but for others as well.

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Speaker 4: Next the pre trial conference has been scheduled for June fourth. The statewide Integrated Traffic Record System says e bike injuries in California increased eighteenfold from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Eighteenfold.

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Speaker 2: That's an exponential growth that you've never even heard of. Well, not only are they driving recklessly, but you know they're on their cell phones too.

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Speaker 4: Increased eighteenfold from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And that's just the latest data that we have.

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Speaker 2: There's three more years of that data, and you know it's getting worse every day because these e bike stories are in the news every day. Everything was so much safer in the seventies and the eighties when people would focus on the road and their cigarettes.

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Speaker 4: In Martinez, Philip Jagol krawn for New.

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Speaker 2: All right, now we're gonna go to the KGO story. But since they mentioned Walnut Creek, I'm starting to think that this is the same story we're gonna find out. I thought it was two different stories.

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Speaker 7: It might still be people of Argen Arkel Roads a vehicle versus an e bike vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Verse this is a knee bike.

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Speaker 8: A mother and father are being charged with child abuse months after that emergency call from last September, a crash involving a miner riding an E motorcycle in Walnut Creek. Police say the team was riding a Siron light B E motorbike like the one scene here, crashing into a minivan, the miner severely injured.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's the same story. How screwed up was this kid? The big well Lea's just ride a knee bike? No, I'm talking about after he smashed into the mini van? What are we talking about? A full body cast? Usually because they're usually not wearing like the kind of helmets you would wear on a motorcycle. You get some pretty bad head damage with these things.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh.

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Speaker 3: The big factor for the DA's office was the number of times the parents allegedly were warned about the danger of what their miner was doing, and now the miner.

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Speaker 2: You can prove child endangerment when they were warned by law enforcement over and over and over and over and over again that this was dangerous.

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Speaker 3: And now the miner was in a very severe car wreck.

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Speaker 8: Thursday, the Contra Costa County District Attorney charging the fifty eight year old parents each with one count of misdemeanor child abuse after they allegedly willfully and unlawfully permitted a child to be injured or placed in a situation where the child's health is endangered.

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Speaker 2: No, this is not the only place that's doing this. In Orange County, their DA's office down there, they're also charging parents with child endangerment because that parent illegally modified the e bike and then gave it to their twelve year old to crash. It's so wild to me how age gives you a totally different perspective on so much of this. I remember when I was in junior high in high school, I love to go snow skiing. I couldn't get enough of it. And now as an adult, all I can think about is, oh my god, it's so cold out there. Who wants to wear fifteen layers of clothes? They can go freeze outdoors. It's the only sport where you're simultaneously freezing and boiling.

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Speaker 1: And besides that, do you.

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Speaker 2: Know how much of a pain in the ass it would be if I had a broken leg and Colter is on me like white on Rice, trying to get me to go out and go snow skiing, and I finally told her I'm not gonna go snow skiing, just so you could draw something obscene on the cast.

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Speaker 8: Police say they had sighted and warned the parents about their son's e motorcycle riding for several years, starting when he was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing that how long did they let this go on?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, again, if this is the this is the tough enforcement approach here that after years of warnings, we finally get a misdemeanor charge.

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Speaker 1: The laws need to change.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the parents think at least this gets the kids outside, because if they just hang out inside your house all day long, they just play those active shooter video games. Well, that has become something that whenever you see these stories, and I listen to every e bike story that every local news station in the state does because I'm interested in it, there's always this advocacy piece of the kids being like, well, this.

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Speaker 1: Is how we get to go outside.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise we would just stay inside and have our eyes bleeded from screen time. Well, in the old days, that was fine, but I don't know what happened. It's like a switch got flipped and suddenly the video games turned from Super Mario Brothers to Columbine.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing this in other cases, particularly involving firearms, holding parents accountable for the misdeeds of the juvenile, and you're seeing that here.

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Speaker 8: And here at the Walnut Creek Police Department. The hope is that this case will help raise awareness to the dangers of these e motorcycles and e bikes, and in this case specifically.

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Speaker 2: If you're buying one of these things, what you're saying is that you don't want to spend time with your child, Well, can you blame them? You also don't want them to get actual at exercise because there's no pedaling required on an e bike. I'll tell you my brother has a rule. Both of his kids have to be playing one sport at all times, and he enforces that. And I think that's a good rule to have in a household.

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Speaker 3: And in this case specifically, it was highly modified. And some of these highly modified motorcycles can actually travel more than forty miles per hour.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing what kids learn on TikTok. You can learn how to illegally modify an e bike to turn it into a straight up motorcycle, and you can learn how to steal a Kia.

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Speaker 1: I learned how to play baccarat.

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Speaker 3: So it gets quite dangerous.

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Speaker 8: As for prosecuting this case, legal experts Stephen Clark told me it could be difficult.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that jurors may recoil from this and say this is a governmental overreach here. We shouldn't be usurping into the role of the.

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Speaker 2: Parent unless those jurors were assaulted by kids on e bikes.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we shouldn't be usurping into the role of the parent. And at the same time, why are we not prosecuting the.

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Speaker 2: Miner the parents are because you don't prosecute miners.

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Speaker 1: That's what we do in this state.

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Speaker 2: You have to go after the parents if someone's going to get in trouble.

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Speaker 8: The parents are set to be a ring on Friday morning in Martinez, Tara Campbell, ABC seven Eyewitness News.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: These parents are being charged with child abuse after years and years of ignoring warnings and citations that their kid was driving incredibly unsafe on an e bike that they bought for him until he crashed and hurt himself and is in the hospital. So here's the question that we have for you at eight hundred two two two five two two two one eight hundred two two two five two two two, And this is for those of you what could be anywhere, But we know this is a particular problem in beach communities and in big cities. We know that in the South Bay of Los Angeles County minion, those cities are grappling with this right now. We know it's going on in Orange County. We know what's going on in San Francisco. Do you believe if a child is driving erratically and dangerously on an e bike and has been sighted and is doing it repeatedly, the parents should be criminally liable. I do, because the parents can pull the plug on it at any given moment in time they choose not to. Well, if you're going to put your teenager on what is effectively a motorcycle, and you're going to create dangerous situations, not just for them, but for pedestrians, for people on bicycles, for people in cars, baby strollers, wheelchairs, whatever, do you believe those parents should be criminally liable for the havoc that their children are causing.

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 2: If teenagers on e bikes continue to drive dangerously and refuse to modify their behavior, should their parents be held criminally liable? I say yes, what say you at eight hundredhundred two two two five two two two? What eight hundred two two two five two two two eight hundred two two two five two two two is a telephone number on eight hundred two two two five two two two. Well, there are cities in northern California who have had it with teenagers on e bikes driving recklessly, and they now are taking the position that if they warn the kid over and over and over again to knock it off, and the kid doesn't and something happens, the parents are going to be charged with a crime. I think it's a great idea. What say you at eight hundred two two two five two two two one eight hundred two two two five two two two. Let's go to Ray and livermore Ray, Hello.

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Speaker 9: Hey, John, great show, just off the topic that I called in on there was a family that was held responsible for underage child that armed people with a gun that they had access to because.

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Speaker 10: Of the parents.

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Speaker 9: So what you're saying is definitely makes sense. But how about just mandatory driver's license insurance like all the rest of us in vehicle registration. I mean, these simple things make the vehicle operator, gives them much more of a position of being responsible for what they're doing and accountability as well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just this attitude that if it's not a car, well let's just go ahead and allow a teenager to write it or to be the driver, be the one behind the wheel. Now I'm not necessarily one hundred percent sure how this works, but how does it work for boats?

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Speaker 1: Can teenagers drive boats? Or do you need a license for that?

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine you can just be a teenager and drive a boat.

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Speaker 9: But what we're running against here is these children clearly have no idea what the vehicle code is. You see them driving on the wrong side of the street at high speeds, running stop signs and signals just by glancing real quick as they zip through, And so there's no regard to basic motor vehicle code, which can be maintained by causing them to have driver's license, registration, all of these things and being accountable just like the rest of us on the road.

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Speaker 2: And they all wear the hoodies too, so they have no peripheral vision. One time I saw a teenager in a hoodie going by in one of those e bikes. I thought it was et.

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Speaker 9: They'll go by. It's forty miles an hour, staring at their iPhones at the same time doing Snapchat or something while they're breaking multiple laws. So it's far more dangerous than I'm surprised there hasn't been more problems than what we're already seeing.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for the call, sir. Here's a little info for you.

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Speaker 2: Even to operate a jet ski, you have to be at least sixteen and you need a California boter card. I remember we used to have those sit down I think they called them se dues back in the old days, and we used to take them out to Lake Havasu in Arizona, and I was not allowed to drive it by myself. And I didn't know if that was just an age thing or that was just them having no confidence in me thing. But I had to have an adult on the back with me when I would drive it. Only end of old and visual sixteen or older can operate a jet ski alone. Youth age twelve to fifteen can operate with supervision from an adult eighteen plus who holds a boater card.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I had to do.

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Speaker 2: There, you go. It's kind of surprising that they followed the rules. Let's go to Stephen in Harvor City. Stephen, Hello, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So John, I feel this way. Okay, you know the kids, they have to kind of express themselves. They have to have an outlet. But if you're going to use an bi like mandatory, you have to wear a helmet. That's number one. You have to wear some sort of kneepads. Okay. Number three, have some elbow pads, so have some safety and protection. And then if the kid, and I want to see what you think of this is, if let's say he gets too many of these violations, then he has to report to some agency there in that city and he has to explain himself. We want to hear the kids too, their point of view. Okay, what is your comment on that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you would take a teenager and put them in a helmet knee pads and elbow pads.

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Speaker 1: Correct, right, that's okay, that's why don't you just save some time and beat them up yourself.

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Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, but I mean, come on, John, I mean, when you were a kid, you wanted to ride your bike and do stuff, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also wanted all kinds of other unsafe things. When I was a teenager, I would go into the Chinese restaurant and I would order the soy sauce with extra sodium.

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Speaker 1: You're living on the edge, yeah.

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Speaker 11: Living on the edge. But hey, don't take kids. Don't take their childhood away, all right, and post so many like rules and restrictions.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is is that they can hurt other people. If you're a pedestrian and they're going down the sidewalk at forty five miles an hour and they hit you, it's going to be like one of those Looney Tune cartoons where you see the birds flying above.

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Speaker 1: Your head.

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Speaker 11: Exactly. But then the thing is, though, Okay, a lot of the neighborhoods have kind of like a team captain in the neighborhood and just say, hey, look it, this is how we do it. We have a bike path and most most neighborhoods have really cool bike paths, and you know that's one way of kind of getting them off the streets. And then the second thing on the street, use the bike path. Eat bikes are allowed on those bike paths, don't go on the sidewalk.

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Speaker 2: What about those teenagers in San Diego, they went on the five freeway.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there's always an exception. So I mean, I mean, hopefully they're listening to your radio show right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for the call, sir. I think we're out of their demo.

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Speaker 2: So this guy says we should give the kids a break, a broken arm, a broken leg, a broken neck, a broken back. I mean, the kids don't know any better, and when you give them a device with this much power, their brain goes into crazy mode. But is that the kids fault or is that the parents vaulted butt and the e bike with the two thousand dollars voucher from the California Our Resources Board.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Mark in Pleasant Hill. Mark.

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Speaker 10: Hello, ohoh, I have first time listener to your show and I like it very much. I think you're absolutely spot on right. I think it's too much for these young kids. I am retired of been sitting in my home in my neighborhood and have been watching these kids go up and down the block wearing thirty forty miles an hour. And about the last comment from that gentleman, if he seems to go on bike trails, it's even more dangerous. You've got family these walking on trails, you've got regular bikes. These things should not be allowed for kids that are you're eighteen years old, and they should have some sort of restrictions and some sort of guideline in order to drive them at that point so that they can be monitored legally like anything else like a small bicycle or motorcycle is something along those lines. So again, thank you for bringing this up, and have a good day.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, sir. And if there's anyone out there who knows what I'm talking about here, you work for the California Highway Patrol, caltrans whatever, give us a call at eight hundred two two two five two two two if I'm not mistaken. The number one leading cause of traffic accidents on California freeways are caused by speed differentials, where you have someone going really fast and you have someone going really slow. And then when you switch lanes or someone tries to turn or whatever, that's when you have problems because of speed differential. Well, if you have these bikes that are going forty five miles an hour on the sidewalk, the bike lanes, city streets, whatever, that's going to be a lot faster than a pedestrian is going or someone in a regular bicycle is going. And you have those speed differentials going on with teenagers behind the wheel of the one that's going the fastest, that just seems like a million and one problems waiting to happen. We've got a line up and for you, punch on the CHP give us a call.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Jeff and Roseville.

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Speaker 12: Jeff, Hello, Well, just one to make two points regarding the you know, parents' liability. Initially, there is already a standard for this vehicle code already makes a registered owner of a vehicle responsible for damages for injury caused by any other person driving their vehicle. So that's this isn't a new concept. You own it, you've you've bought it, you've maintained it. You're responsible when you when you loan it to somebody else. Second, most of these jurisdictions that we're talking about, whether it's bikes, whether it's scooters, there there are in many cases already laws restricting it. These are already and so, and just to be brief that the point is if the if the operation of the device is already illegal, then there's other precedents for that. That's contributing to delinquency. It's you know, providing and supporting, you know, illegal materials. If if you know, it's no different than if I buy my kid a switchblade and he takes it to school. You know, I'm liable for that. So I don't see how the charging either civilly or criminally of these parents is even a challenge. It's, you know, these things are pretty well established in similar industries.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for the call, sir. Let's go to Bill in Santa Rosa. Bill.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Oh, I get That's what I was Bill.

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Speaker 1: Are you there, sir? Going once? Going twice?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 1: Bill, Yes, during your radio offs here.

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Speaker 7: Yes. What I wanted to say is that to me, all of this focus on the kids is totally the wrong thing to be doing. It's not about the kids. The kids, In my opinion, kids shouldn't be anywhere near them. These, pure and simple are motorcycles. They need to be licensed appropriately, They need to be tested to drive them by the driver appropriately. I couldn't drive a car until I was fifteen and a half and I had to get a permit and I had to go through all this. This is what's going on I think still today and in my opinion, like I said, the kids shouldn't be within one hundred feet of these things. It's and of course they've talked about safety. I mean, you can get killed on a full sized motorcycle, and you could get killed on one of these things if you're going forty fifty miles an hour without the possible without the proper training, education and responsibility on how to operate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a strong case could be made.

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Speaker 2: I mean argue, we don't look at Tesla's as something that's not a car because they're electric. Why should we look at these bikes as being not a motorcycle simply because they're electric.

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Speaker 1: They literally have an electric motor.

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Speaker 7: Pisely it is a motorcycle. Period.

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Speaker 2: All Right, thank you for the call, sir. Let's go to Jim and Tustin. Jim, Hello, John, how are you good?

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Speaker 13: Long time, listener, enjoy your show.

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Speaker 9: Listen.

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Speaker 14: I couldn't agree with you more.

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Speaker 13: And I'll give you a scenario when I was young, many moons ago. I remember at fifteen and a half, and I just I was about to get my learners from that I used to. I was driving a renegade mini bike I'm sure you remember them. Happened to run across.

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Speaker 14: A police officer who gave me a citation. I had to pear in court because I was unauthorized because I didn't have a license. I was not licensed to drive a moving vehicle, which is I think very applicable to today. And I agree with you. Couldn't agree with you more. I have more conversations within this community about kids going thirty five forty miles an hour with no safety equipment, running down the streets with no idea running stop signs, with no idea about any kind of you know, legal requirements as far as driving. And I've had a couple of friends with animals that quite honestly have gotten clipped by these kids who just run rampant and do whatever they want in the streets.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for the call, serp. Let's go to Keith and Riverside Keith.

00:30:53
Speaker 15: Hello, Hey John, long time no talk. Hi, Randy, Hi. And I used to worry get a construction tool and supply there's a big you know, a lot of times you'd be out in the yard, you know, checking in stuff. And we had forklifts everywhere. And when they went to electric forklifts, you've got your butt hanging out there. You can't hear the forklift coming. You could be killed. I talked to them about it at the safety meeting all and over look, there's not enough cops. The easy solution until you can get an overall, you know, better solution is artificial noise. Must you can. It has to be illegal if you don't have artificial noise where a person who's walking down the street, they go to step off a curb and they don't know the thing is coming. Right, I've seen it. I've seen it happen. The kids are brainless, you know, but you need artificial noise to alert everybody that, hey, this thing's coming at me, you know, look up, get my head up and look around.

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Speaker 7: Right.

00:31:56
Speaker 2: Well, maybe what we should do for the artificial noise is require all of the e bikes to play this radio program when they're being operated.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: Hey whatever, I'd be in favor of that. Thank you into this, Thank you for the caul sir, We appreciate it.

00:32:13
Speaker 2: You imagine what the e bike would sound if we just armed it with Katie Porter drops. You can right here, you can have a Katie model. You can have the Shang model.

00:32:24
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely.

00:32:28
Speaker 2: Oh could you imagine waking up on Christmas morning and seeing that sweet action under the tree.

00:32:32
Speaker 1: That's right, I like that. Let's go to Key in San Francisco.

00:32:38
Speaker 16: Key, Hello, Hey, thank you John for thank you McCall, thank you. Uh anyway you just s Francisco or the food delivery. They'dn't even have a license plate. They probably don't even speak English. I could you not? They go all over the place. They don't resigned, they don't stop a stop sign, nothing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you need to go forty five miles an hour and not stop at the shop signs if you're going to get that pizza there in thirty minutes or less.

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Speaker 16: Exactly, they all lined up in one place. Man, when that's split with all that food delivery, you could you could you could just point it like around six storty, Man, you should see that everywhere and they're just so dangerous you can't even see them. By the way, there are noise already made for a e vehicle type uh manual noise. They already have that for cars. Actually for cars, they already have it.

00:33:38
Speaker 14: Bolla has it.

00:33:40
Speaker 11: They already made them for it.

00:33:41
Speaker 16: But anyway, but the thing is is, I mean kids, yeah, writing very dangerously, but compared to San Francisco, there's no rule. Well not, I don't know how the hell they'd be able to drive it.

00:33:54
Speaker 2: All right, thank you for the caul cer. We appreciate it. Eight hundred two two two East Telephone number one eight hundred two two two five two to two two if you're on hold and one away in on cities in California charging parents with criminal offenses if their kids are driving recklessly on e bikes repeatedly, we don't get to your call this hour. Don't worry about it. We're going right back to calls after the news. Let's begin with Linda and Martinez. Linda, Hello, Hi, there.

00:34:29
Speaker 17: Just want to make two comments. One of them is how fast they drive on the walking trails. I walk on the Canal trail in the Bay area in the East Bay. I have family members, and these young kids dressed from head to toe in black and black masks. By the way, they look like the unibomber go flying by and I have to, you know, make sure my mom is not going to get hit by these reckless drivers. And they need some kind of licensing because I mean, someone's going to get hit and hurt.

00:35:09
Speaker 1: How many close calls have you had?

00:35:12
Speaker 7: Uh?

00:35:12
Speaker 17: Maybe three? And it's quiet, you know, they silently go by and I have to say, you know, mom.

00:35:20
Speaker 11: Get over here.

00:35:21
Speaker 17: And they don't say a word, They just fly by. And I even comment, my mom, look at the way that kids dress, so that the fact that you brought it up is spot on. They it looks it's not friendly. Let's just say that very scary looking.

00:35:35
Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: And what's awful about this too is let's say they hit your mom. If you're an elderly person and you're out getting exercise and you get hit by one of these things, that could start the downward spiral that results in the end to you, and you could take away the freedom of a person who is out there trying to mind their own business, get a little sunshine, get a little exercise, and you turn it into a horrible situation.

00:36:02
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be able to do that. You shouldn't do that.

00:36:06
Speaker 17: Yes, absolutely, I'm glad you're bringing this up as a topic because I think about it a lot and I live it every day when I take my walks with my mom. So thank you so much.

00:36:16
Speaker 2: All right, thank you for the call. Let's go to John and Long Beach. John.

00:36:19
Speaker 18: Hello, gentlemen, gentlemen, thank you for the call. Yes, they should hold parents and the little Braddy kids accountable. I've almost got hit two or three times. I live in Long Beach and they ride on the walking paths. They have a law on Long Beach now that just got enacted. If it's an A and B class, which means it goes up to twenty eight miles an hour, you can legally ride them on there, but if it goes over thirty or over twenty eight, you can't. But they ride them anyway. I almost got hit two times, and they were going very fast. I have a friend that I walk with and the day I didn't want with her, she was walking over to the Queen Mary and she got hit. She was in the hospital for four months. Luckily she saw the guy at the last second and tried to turn out of the way and he hit her on her side, broke her leg and broke her hip. She had to have like three surgeries so far, and that's been over a year and she's still not recovered.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for the call. If you're on hold, stay there. We're going to get to more calls right after the news, right here on the John Phillips Show.