Framber v. Story, Carlos Correa is out for the season, Glasnow exits early, Emilio Pagán carted off

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Speaker 1: He's charging about.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, uh, the hits keep coming for the Houston Astros. Chandler Rome, who does a great job on our Foul Territory network as well covering the Astros. Carlos Korea needs season ending surgery on a torn tendon in his left ankle. Recovery is six to eight months. That's a bummer, guys, because remember when a couple of teams aj we're backing out of the Carlos Korea sweepsticks, it was because of the opposite ankle, the right ankle. But now it's the left ankle that's going to end his season. The Astros hit, you know, are hit with another blow. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of this before, a guy taking a swing in VP and rupturing his ankle, and it's his front ankle too, which is even stranger to me. I could see if you caught maybe your bank back ankle trying to spin on the on the turf with some cleats or something all but no one wears cleats and bpining where. I don't think everyone has like specialized turfs and or most of the most guys were tennis shoes. Heck, so I don't know I've never heard of this before. It's stinks for the Astros. It stinks for Carlos Korea. This is not the ankle that he was you know, anti physical against or failed as physical for earlier in his career. So I guess that's good news, but this sucks if your Korea. This sucks for the Astros. The Astros already playing terrible. They don't need any more blows. But get healthy, Carlos. We'll see you in twenty twenty seven, hopefully.

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Speaker 4: It's definitely one of those things that you look at and you go, man, how could somebody hurt their front ankle? Watch guys swing from now on, Like if you when you turn the game on games on today, some guys really roll on that front ankle. But to snap, most of those guys have been doing Carls Kray has been doing it for years, So you would think, like you build up some type not immunity, but like strength in it. If that's what's happening it, that is such a freak thing to happen, and it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate for Carlos, it's unfortunate for the Astros. I don't think with Carlos in the lineup. The Astros were gonna be dig out of the hole that they got themselves in.

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Speaker 1: It's not like other years.

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Speaker 4: Where people were saying, oh, you know in twenty twenty four the Astros started X, Y and Z. Well, you know what the actual the Astros. They're having a tough time finding innings. They're having a tough time being able to stay in games because of their pitching.

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Speaker 5: They are good.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's the stat if you're listening, we have the stat on the screen. They have a five to six' five. Era their whip as a team is one six. Two there are runners on base all the. TIME i know they beat The dodgers last, night but let's just stick with what's been. Happening their offense is, Okay they're pitching is, brutal and losing another piece of this team is just gonna put a bigger damper on this season THAT i think is gonna be a washed. Season but that's exactly when The astros come back when people don't believe in them.

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Speaker 2: Anymore that's just the, thing Right you look at the injury and this is a team that has been riddle with, them and, again no one's gonna feel sorry for The Houston. Astros nobody feels sorry for any. Club but he's the Fifteenth astros player guys to go on the injured, list and it's two key. Guys it Includes Ace Hunter, brown, Closer Josh, hater Shortstop Jeremy, penya Catcher yanni Or. Diez and this is a guy obviously that is such an instrumental part to their. Lineup and, again As eric was just talking ABOUT, aj they have treaded water.

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Speaker 6: Because of the.

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Speaker 2: Offense the offense has been pretty, decent top five and a lot of key offensive. Categories the pitching has been, horrendous but you take Away Carlos, correa who's a big piece of that. Offense i'm not certain where The astros go from. HERE i, mean does this team at any, point albeit On may, sixth do they have a shot in making the postseason at all via the wild?

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Speaker 6: Card BECAUSE i don't think they're going to win the.

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Speaker 1: Division, NO i don't think.

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Speaker 3: THEY i don't think, honestly the way they're constructed right, now with the pitching and with the, injuries, NO i don't think they. Do, listen no one in The Al west has run away with, This BUT i think The, Rain The, mariners and The a's are all better than where The astros a right. Now The angels are a wash every. Year so we can go ahead and eliminate. You we can go ahead and put the red line through.

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Speaker 1: Them they're.

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Speaker 3: Out BUT i don't think The astros can do. It and it's not gonna and everyone's gonna look At Joe. Spot Joe spot should lose his. Job it's Not Joe spot's. Fault they have fifteen guys on THE. Il it's someone's. FAULT i don't know, who but you, know it's like the last couple of, years they've just been hit by injury, injury injury. Injury Joe spot actually did a nice job of keeping him in contention last. Year this, YEAR i don't think he's going to be able to do it with the names we've. Listed the starting pitchings in. Shambles you cannot make the postseason if you are last in the league in era and you have a one point six, whip it's just not gonna. Happen you can't hit, enough no matter how many Yord On, Alvarez jose L Two, veays whoever else you want to throw out. There you cannot hit enough to cover that era and that many base. Runners it's, Impossible i'm, sorry.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent because they're not hitting every single at, bat right you two, Guys there's seven other guys that have to hit in that.

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Speaker 6: Lineup, Eric is this an.

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Speaker 2: Injury issue or a not doing enough in the off? Season is you to give them a better pitching staff to begin with or more of a complete? Team Did Dana brown do? Enough and, ALSO i mean another good point That jeremy our, director brings, Up amaiya is not doing what they thought he was going to. Do he's Having so that's a two part. Question let's start with did they do enough in the?

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Speaker 5: Offseason did they do? Enough did they Know Hunter brown was going to go? Down?

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Speaker 4: No did they Know ami was going to be hurt kind of or just trying to figure it?

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Speaker 5: Out.

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Speaker 4: No the part WHERE i Think Dana brown and the scouts missed on was the fact that do they want to build a team that has seven starting pitchers? Deep because we had the list, BEFORE i, mean right now they Have lance McCullers in their starting, ROTATION i, think and he was a guy that you can't necessarily count on the fact that they went out and Got Ryan, weiss who was A i think it Was, korea but it might have Been. Japan he was another overseas that they, thought you, know they'd bring him in and kind of a reclamation. Project Spencer arraghetti started out on THE, il so he hasn't even been out there the entire season like you've Had you've you've had injuries that have dipped into your, depth and so as A, GM i think the only thing would, Be, okay did you evaluate AM i? Correctly is that the guy that you wanted to go after with THE i think they're paying. HIM i got to look it. UP i think they're paying him eighteen a. Year but is that what you wanted to spend the eighteen a year? On had they not gone and got him and spent eighteen on other guys that were out there for in free, AGENCY i don't Think astro fans would have been, like, wow, man what a great. Pickup it would have been kind of a depth not death, piece but like a four or. Five SO i think it was a good fiscal, decision a good financial, Decision BUT i don't necessarily think the evaluation process has gone as well as they thought it would right. Now he was a guy with one above average big league, pitch so he's essentially a two pitch big league, Pitcher and they didn't feel like the slider was gonna be a pitch he could just throw all the. Time that was his one big league, Pitch and so, YEAH i mean he messed up in that, Case but, NO i. DON'T i Think Dana brown's done so much good for this. Organization they went and made a big move last. Offseason maybe not being able to Trade paradis Or Christian walker probably hurt, them but it was also A Jim crane move that they Brought Carlos. Kore there's a lot going, on BUT i Think Dana brown's done a pretty good. Job it's just the injury bug hits your. Stars it's tough to recover.

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Speaker 3: From, also let's not forget this team has been good for ten plus. Years they're almost ten years twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, four twenty, five they missed the. Postseason it also goes in. Cycles teams go, bad they get, old they age. Out do you have to restart a? Corps it's not always certain. Things they've tried to kind of supplement it with the haters and with the bringing Back, korea But korea is, older haters, older, RIGHT i mean the amazing part is Lancemic colors has made all his starts this. Year he's the one guy who hadn't been able to pitch for all this. Time but you Lose Hunter. Brown weis's coming over has not. Worked amaya has not. Worked it's also a cycle of. Things teams are good and then teams all eventually they go. Down Now, dodgers, Sorry, alana at some point they're not gonna win every single. Year but it's always like. This every team kind of goes like, this right up and down and up and. Down you try to keep the lows high and the highs as high as, possible but every team goes to a little bit of a. Cycle and right now The astros are in the down.

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Speaker 6: Cycle, yeah you're absolutely.

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Speaker 2: RIGHT i remember there was a, time, GUYS i mean, ten, eleven, twelve thirteen years, ago in the M court, era The dodgers were. TERRIBLE i, mean people forget The dodgers were really bad before the new ownership group.

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Speaker 1: Too but he has those parking, Lots, Alana he does has those parking.

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Speaker 2: Lots will gets the money from the parking, lots and we know how much of a pain in the butt it is to park At Dodger. Stadium let me ask you, this going back TO amai for a, Second, eric is this more of a mechanical issue of being able to get used to the way things go in terms of the ball, here the hitters, here or.

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Speaker 6: Is this more of a just a culture shock in.

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Speaker 2: GENERAL i, MEAN i know that you probably haven't talked to HIM i, obviously but what are you? NOTICING i, mean he just had another rehab start didn't go. Well it looks, like according To Chandler rome that he's going to be back in the rotation starting next week series Against, seattle presuming they want to keep him on five, days that would be the opener On. Monday what have you noticed from his?

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Speaker 4: Starts just that he has a tough ability to attack and go after hitters with the fastball in the. Zone so when you have a pitch like the slider that is supposed to be his one above average, pitch teams have just eliminated. Spin they're, like, hey it's a pretty good. Pitch we're not going to hit it unless it's starting in one, location which is a hanging, slider and then everything else has to Be you have to be able to pitch more with your. Fastball you have to be able to pitch more with your fastball to make your slider better in the big, leagues and it seems like he's afraid to be in.

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Speaker 5: The zone even some of his minor league.

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Speaker 4: Starts NOW i didn't see his most recent, one but his last minor league, START i could care less what hits he gives, up how many runs he gives, up BECAUSE i said it, before minor leaguers are coming, out they're, ambushing they're ready to. Go but when you're, ambushing.

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Speaker 5: You're not walking a.

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Speaker 4: Lot and he walked three guys in his last in his second last. START i don't know how many he walked in this most recent. Start but it's one of those things that if you're not in the zone in the big, leagues then when you do come in the, zone guys just smash. It if you, know if you're two, oh three to, one one to oh to big league, hitters bad big league, hitters when you're up in a, count you are in such an, advantage and he never is able to get to that, strikeout wipe out slider that everybody saw and thought would be an okay pitch once he came over, here and so he has to learn to be able to be in the zone and not be afraid of.

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Speaker 2: Podcast well the beef is In detroit last night from Braval, does Plunking trevor's story after the Entire Red sox lineup pretty much was teeing off on The tigers.

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Speaker 6: Pitcher it was a bit of a this.

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Speaker 2: Is definitely, intentional, Guys i'd be interested to take your take from Bravel does claimed he did not Get trevor story on, purpose a Bullshit valdez plunk story with the first four seam fastball he has thrown all season. Long he throws a lot of two, seamers, boys but he does not throw the four seam a. Lot his explanation was that he used the pitch as a quote backup plan to do something different Against Red sox. HITTERS i mean they let him up like A christmas.

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Speaker 5: TREE.

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Speaker 2: Aj we will start with. You are you buying The it was a backup. Plan there was no, intent And i'm, sorry BUT i don't feel LIKE i should have been.

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Speaker 1: Ejected no to all of.

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Speaker 3: That did he just given up back to back homers in his first pitch hits he got right in the. Back why didn't you Hit trevor, story AND i don't want to hear, About, oh he was relaying. Signs that whole thing that certain guy did ON, tv you, know or on his on The Twitter instagram thing that he was relaying everyone's relaying. Signs, now so now we're going to decide to hit somebody because they did it and it just so happened after back to back home. Runs, yeah he might have been relaying, signs but let's also not forget he had just given up back to back home runs and the next pitch was in the guy's.

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Speaker 1: Back so this was.

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Speaker 3: One hundred, million, billion, trillion, zillion whatever number you want to.

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Speaker 1: Throw out, there on.

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Speaker 3: Purpose and, HE i, MEAN i, know he can't say he did it on. Purpose trevor's. Story knew it was on, Purpose The Red sox knew it was on. Purpose The tigers know it was on. Purpose they can't say It Will middlebrooks on The Red sox new was on. Purpose Andy, dirks who had an awful try to explain. This he knew it was on. Purpose Jason beneddi knew it was on. Purpose the whole stadium knew it was on. Purpose let's just say he will call a spade to spade and say what it. Is it was on. Purpose he was mad because he was getting lit up all over the park and he hit the.

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Speaker 1: Guy here's my.

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Speaker 3: PROBLEM i was thrown out a, lot, okay AND i got thrown out BECAUSE i did stupid, stuff AND i got thrown out because guys on my team did stupid. Stuff but if a guy in front of me hit a home run AND i got, HIT i was more pissed BECAUSE i.

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Speaker 1: Didn't hit the home.

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Speaker 3: Run, Dude IF i would have hit a home run and you hit, me, okay MAYBE i deserve, it but don't hit someone else for something that you did wrong by giving up the home. Run it Wasn't Trevor story's fault that the two guys in front of him hit home. Runs it was From ervalved's his, fault and he went about it the wrong.

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Speaker 1: WAY i never liked.

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Speaker 3: This i'm gonna hit, him and like we'd have times, where oh we should knock somebody down because we're getting lit. Up make better. Pitches make better. Pitches you don't have to throw at somebody and.

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Speaker 5: Make.

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Speaker 2: Pitches and if they're laying, signs then you, know cover your glove better and that's the that's the legal way of relaying, signs, Right, ERIC i mean jumping off of second base if you're, gonna you, know tap on your. HELMET i, mean at least you're not banging trash. CANS i, mean let's be honest with. IT i, mean this is. Ridiculous and Even Aj hinch And i'm not going to speak For Aj, hinch But i'll put up the quote of what he, said we play a really good brand of baseball. Here that didn't feel like. It i'm not judging, intent BUT i know when you go out on the field and those, confrontations you usually feel like you're in your. Right it didn't feel good being out. There that's basically saying that was with, intent without saying that was with.

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Speaker 4: Intent you wonder why players want things to always stay on the, field because players and managers who are on the, field you feel like a rhythm to a. Game you see when Things i'm, like, ah that that's a little. Off and so For aj to come out and say, this he got, it like he, Understood like he goes out on the field and you're, like, oh, man LIKE i kind of feel like like everybody knows.

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Speaker 5: What we saw.

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Speaker 4: Here you know when somebody threw at. You Trevor story knows when somebody threw at. Him the people on the field. Know if you're trying to sit here and say, no it, WASN'T i, Mean dingler's, like, YEAH i guess, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Man and then SO.

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Speaker 4: I love the fact THAT i love the fact That hinch came out and said. THIS i love, that you, know because he's always. Honest he's not trying to he's not trying TO bsu in the, media like trying to just blindly protect his. Players they knew this when they Got. Framber they knew of the crossing up the catcher. Thing they knew of his. IMMATURITY aj saw his immaturity when he was a younger player In, houston and you know, This and so some people have a predisposed idea of, it and then some people Like aj with this quote, here he felt what he felt on the, field and so it's just just slamming home WHAT Aj perzinski said Before.

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Speaker 2: Aj, PIERZINSKI i would like to know your thought on the fact Of fromber comes into The tigers organization with a reputation and the entire offseason was spent showing clubs what a good guy he, is and AGAIN i don't know. HIM i don't cover.

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Speaker 6: HIM i don't.

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Speaker 2: Know but there is a narrative about from Er veldez And Will middlebrooks last night on the broadcast in this and broadcast said, yeah just you know something to the effect, of you, know maybe he's going to cross up his catcher next or whatever it, was because that happened to him when he was In. Houston so the narrative, continues are we reading this? Incorrectly Is fromber a good?

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Speaker 6: Guy? Like what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: HERE i don't.

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Speaker 3: KNOW i don't Know fromber other Than i've said hello to him like twice in my. LIFE i had The tigers this past weekend and that question came, up not for me About, fromber And hinch defended him to the end what he should do as his.

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Speaker 1: MANAGER i don't. KNOW i don't know him at.

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Speaker 3: All you just can go off what you said and listen to somebody that had the reputation and it is what it. Is you can't really change, it and you just have to try to work around it a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit but this wasn't a good look for him throwing at.

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Speaker 3: Somebody i'm sorry it wasn't a good look when he crossed up his catcher last, year even though he said it wasn't, intentional WHICH i don't. Know we got to take the guy his, word. Right it's just starts compounding things and things and. Things and there's always been one thing About, fromber And Dusty baker always said this. Best he always Needed Martine maldonado to catch From, brevaldez to keep him under control and keep him focused and keep him engaged and stay on him.

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Speaker 1: Right AND i.

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Speaker 3: Feel like If fromber doesn't have, that then he has a hard. Time and you see this every or so often With, fromber where he just has a game when you're, like that is not the From brivealdez That i've watched pitch for the last seven or eight.

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Speaker 1: Years wam he gives up ten runs and you're, like, wait how did that?

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Speaker 3: Happened and this is why, Again Dusty baker, Said Martin malnatto would get in his ass and he would get him back, focus. Right SO i don't know if this is him or WHAT i want to hope it's not, him but, gosh, man it's just there's, evidence and when there's, smoke there's. Fire that's the old saying right and right. Now you got to look at. It ALL i know is he threw it him one hundred. Percent you can say whatever he. Wants he threw A trevor.

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Speaker 2: Story, LOOK i wonder if a suspension is. COMING i want to ask you guys your opinion on The Garrett Cole Minor league outing. Situation is this the same or different a fastball road inside and drill the very next hitter who had taken him, deep the very hitter, rather who had taken him deep.

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Speaker 5: Earlier.

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Speaker 2: Eric it didn't take long for FORMER mlb Pitcher seth McClung to notice and quickly Called cole out on social. Media McClung, tweeted this is what being hit intentionally looks. LIKE i have no context to what. HAPPENED i don't need. It, honestly there's no reason a big leaguer who is obviously out on a rehab assignment needs to hit a minor. Leaguer what is your, Interpretation, eric of this particular.

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Speaker 4: SITUATION i, mean it didn't look, good BUT i just have a hard time believing That cole's gonna try to hit a. Guy you saw the catcher move inside you saw his intent of where he was trying to throw the. BALL i think he was trying to throw it up and in and then you also Saw cole's. REACTION i feel LIKE i love when pitchers like just are, like, hey, WHATEVER i hit, him LIKE i hit the. GUY i don't want guys to like slip or, like, oh like lick my finger BECAUSE i THINK i THINK i mint lost a. Grip, no LIKE i felt like he stood on it And i'm. NOT i feel like it should be looked at because, rehabbers big league rehabbers can also get suspended when their own minor, league when they're playing in minor league, Games like if somebody deemed it intentional to, ME i think the umpire would say. Something BUT i know, umpire they're intimidated by big leaguers when they're down. Rehabbing whether it's hitters, pitchers it doesn't. Matter they're. Intimidated AND i don't. KNOW i would have to. ASK i would have to ask the hitter if he thought it was, intentional because the hitter will let you. Know you just know you played long enough you know if it's intentional or.

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Speaker 3: Not and by the, way let me say, THIS i don't, know If Garret Coles stone out him, intentionally it's weird that he would do, that but, hey you, know never get inside someone's. Head but The fromber back To fromber for a second. Here if he does get, suspended this team is already beat up TO i, mean to all get. Out we mentioned The, astros but let's not forget about The tigers starting. Rotation how many guys they have on the shelf right, now Including Trek. Scooble so the day After Trek schooble announces he has to have surgery on his elbow and could miss two and a half, months your guy who you signed the offseason throws at somebody for having a bad outing and now he's going to be suspended for and possibly miss a starter or.

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Speaker 1: Two this is not what you.

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Speaker 3: Want If i'm some, guy a guy who's supposed to be a leader on your, Team i'm, Sorry like he's got to go out there and wear and give him as many ings as he can not get, Angry And i'm, Sorry i'm gonna say this, word AND i hate saying this. Word it's a little bit. Selfish it was a little bit, selfish AND i Think krats would agree with me that it was one of those things where you just can't have it. Happen you got to go out there and try to give him a good start and give your team something. Positive because If scoople's, Out mis is, Out verlander's, Out Jack flaherty hasn't pitched very Well. Fromberg you're counting on every fifth day to go out there and do, it and now he goes out and gets.

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Speaker 1: Suspended it's just not a good.

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Speaker 4: Look this is what team this is what people are talking about when you talk about team. Games you pitch team, innings you, pitch you take team at bats, like, HEY i know you you got to pitch right down the, middle but we needed that pitcher to throw more. Pitches if you're in the, lineup, like there's a way to play team games that helps you win the most possible games in one hundred and sixty two and What aj was just saying is one hundred percent on the.

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Speaker 2: Mark, guys we've talked about it a, lot of, course we talked about The astros, injuries The tigers, Injuries Amelio pagan talking about him as far as the latest injury is, concerned carted off of the field after injuring his left hamstring on a first Pitch reds Reliever sentien, said that does that does something to somebody when a great, person great, human great, teammate great. Leader no one ever wants to see that with. ANYBODY i, mean what is going. ON i, mean that's not something certainly you want to, SEE i mean. LEFT i would imagine he.

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Speaker 6: Did more than pull. THAT i mean agu or not on the il.

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Speaker 2: Often but this sucks, hamstrings. Obliques this is a bummer for The.

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Speaker 1: Reds, yeah he was a big piece of their.

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Speaker 3: Bullpen he kind of Let Terry francona figure out he was the ninth and then he could use his other guys in the eighth and the. Seventh like we talked about the other, day how important a closer. Is so he was a big piece in helping them figure out their. Bullpen and to lose him for a significant amount of time is a big. Boat plus they've been walked off two days in a row by The cubs because he got. Hurt so this is not ideal. Timing the red are gonna be. OKAY i think one thing The reds have done is they've kind of And Terry francona has always been good about this not only having this. Closer, okay he goes, down but he's given guys enough confidence and enough innings in big moments where he feels like someone else can step in and take that. Role, now who that's gonna, be we'll have to. See BUT i Think Terry francona has done a great. Job everywhere he's been is, Like, okay this guy goes. Down i've given this guy enough confidence to fill that, role and then the next guy step, up and the next guy step.

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Speaker 1: Up SO i think they'll be.

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Speaker 3: Okay but this does suck because Also pegan's a good dude, man and he was having great years so last year and then into this, year so you know it's gonna. Hurt BUT i think they can cover it for a little bit of. TIME i hope he's not out for too.

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Speaker 2: Long if anybody can handle, it It's tito for your Future hall Of fame manager And. ERIC i, mean To AJ's, point it's not just Because pegan is a good. CLOSER i mean he's such a well respected member of the. TEAM i would imagine this void is a little bit bigger because of. That you're not only losing a great, arm but you're losing a great personality and kind of the glue of that bull and in perhaps of your team.

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Speaker 4: Entirely No emilia knowing him when he was early on in his career and like now he's established himself as like that shut down. Closer, Yeah i'm sure it's a big. Piece it's, missed but you know him as a, person he can still be around the. Guys so even talking to him in spring, training you could, TELL i, know most of the conversation we had about in spring training was about W, wwe but he just he has that persona that he really connects with different guys and if he is was SANTILLIN i think it. Was i'm not sure who said it who was talking about, him but yeah it, was, Yeah, Santalina and he, said, like if he's saying that about him as a, person maybe he can still be. Around not everybody that gets hurt wants to be around the. Team they're kind of, like, AH i gotta stay, Away like the guys are are battling And i'm not out there to help them or anything like. That maybe a guy like this stays. Around so it's maybe not a complete and total, loss but him as the closer is a complete and total loss because he was really able, to LIKE aj, said shorten these. Games you, know Does Graham ashcraft jump into the jump into the closer? Role is it a closer by? Committee we've already, SAID i don't Think tito likes. It we've already said you need a nine tending guy because that inning is, different and he was able to really solidify. THAT i think as thirty two saves last year or something like that for a team, that, oh, yeah made the, Playoffs they're in a skid right. Now somebody's got to step. Up nobody in The central is going to cry over The reds losing their.

00:26:36
Speaker 2: Closer, yeah thirty two staves last year For, pagan it was a career best for.

00:26:41
Speaker 6: Him The Blue.

00:26:42
Speaker 2: Jays are absolutely decimated by, injuries particularly guys in their starting. Rotation Max schures are the latest in terms of. That after throwing At Tropicana, Field Max scherzer said his forearm isn't responding the way he. Hoped the plan NOW aj is to talk to more doctors and figure things out out from. There his ankle is progressing. WELL i guess that's. Good he told that to The Hazel may And Mitch. Bannon this From Ben Nicholson smith ON X, so let's talk about this in terms of the ROTATION aj because this is a team that so many guys in their starting rotation are on the. Shelf And Max, schuzer you, know wanted to go back To, toronto but he is up there in age in terms of baseball.

00:27:25
Speaker 6: Age what do you make of?

00:27:27
Speaker 5: This it sucks For.

00:27:29
Speaker 3: MAX i REMEMBER i did a game a couple weeks ago where he only pitched two INNINGS i, think and he came. Out everyone's, like, well why.

00:27:35
Speaker 5: DON'T i come?

00:27:36
Speaker 3: Out and he said he had forearm ten and. Ias he did not hurt it more and it just about a week later he went on THE il because of forearm. Tenanitis so it's not good For max and his. Age you don't recover as well as he used to when you're in the. Forties can he come?

00:27:50
Speaker 5: Back?

00:27:51
Speaker 3: Sure do they need him, back of, course but they The Blue jays are playing, Better they're pitching has been. Better, Uh it's just it sucks more almost on a personal level For max because this is PROBABLY i don't want to say it's going to be his last, year but there was a great possibility this could have been his last year and to him not be able to finish it the way he wants to right, now hopefully he comes back. Again then that's that's the sad, part because he wanted to be In. Toronto he wanted to pitch In, toronto and now he's not having that.

00:28:18
Speaker 6: Opportunity, eric does he need to play the piano?

00:28:22
Speaker 2: More Ken rosenthal did a great story About max Scherz or playing the, piano but in all, seriousness he talked To Hazel may that does she does a great job covering The Blue, jays and he says it's confusing as heck because he has a CLEAN. Mri so this has got to be super frustrating and annoying to the Future hall Of famer.

00:28:41
Speaker 5: If we're bringing it.

00:28:42
Speaker 4: Up he's thought about it like three seconds after the injury, happened you, know right when he Has my elbow's not bouncing. Back DID i do too? Much DID i not do? Enough AM i doing the right?

00:28:53
Speaker 5: Thing you? Question?

00:28:54
Speaker 4: Okay is piano the thing that's that's helping my fingers WHEN i had the finger? Problem my wrists WHEN i had the, Wrist, oh maybe it's hurting my forearm at some. POINT i was very fortunate BECAUSE i never played a. LOT i Never my body didn't really wear, down AND i was fortunate to be able to play When i'm WHEN i was, forty to have the amount of, innings the miles that you, have and to come through it with a CLEAN.

00:29:18
Speaker 5: Mri on his Elbow and they don't know what it.

00:29:21
Speaker 4: Is is this just the Standard.

00:29:25
Speaker 5: Father time. Age it's catching up to his. Elbow could that be?

00:29:30
Speaker 4: Rest could they get a quality ten starts from him by the end of this? Year who knows what that number. Is but as The Blue jays have, shown they need him out on the. Field they Need burrios out on the. Field they Need bieber to be able to get back when these guys are starting to get healthy because of all the. Injuries they need their pitchers to continue to throw. Well they need their offense to do. Well The jays have high. EXPECTATIONS i also think they caught lightning in a bottle last, year so they're gonna have to do it again this year because if you remember The jays two years, Ago i'm not saying The jays are, cooked But i'm saying The jays two years ago were nothing like The jay's last year and they added to this. TEAM i think they're a better team than they were last. Year but that doesn't mean they're going to go from ninety four wins to one hundred and four because they Added Dylan, cees because they went After Kyle tucker in free, agency because they made all these.

00:30:29
Speaker 5: Moves, no, like they still have to go out and.

00:30:32
Speaker 4: Play these, games and with their, injuries they're gonna have to figure out a way to get back in this race and make sure it's not just a wild card race and it's a division race and they have an uphill battle if these guys aren't able to get.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: Healthy, Yeah i'm not certain that we thought that The rays were going to be as good as they are so. Far The, rays The, yankees and The a's of all, teams the only Three American league teams above five hundred right. Now eric Mentioned Shane bieber aj there is an update on, Him John schneider saying that he looked sharp in a two up bullpen at The trap. Today The Blue jay's already will throw another two at bullpen next, week then work against live hitters for the first. Time so you guys are, catchers what does that mean in terms of his, progress and obviously it looks like he's headed in the right. Direction it would be great to Get Shane bieber back in That Blue jays. ROTATION i feel like we haven't seen him a ton as a Blue jay because of the injury.

00:31:26
Speaker 1: Woes, no we.

00:31:28
Speaker 3: Haven't and he came back last year at the end and pitch and did all. Right and then when we talked to, him he, said you, know he lost a little bit of. Feel it would be one good, star one bad. Start and then we all questioned why did he take the? Option why did he pick up his own option For? Toronto and it was because he was, injured and now we know the extent of, it and hopefully he comes back and pitch as. Well Shane bieber is a good. Guy he's a great interview and he's a great pitcher when he's. Healthy so hopefully he can come back and help The Blue. Jays because, listen, nobody we don't want to see anybody. Hurt contrary to what people, think we don't want to see anybody. Hurt we don't want to see anybody not at their, best and want everyone to be at their. Best And Shane bieber is special when he's right and you're.

00:32:06
Speaker 5: Talking about two, up go, ahead go, Ahead.

00:32:10
Speaker 4: No, No if you're talking about two up, bullpen that means he threw whatever twenty or fifteen or twenty, pitches sat, down got back up through fifteen or twenty. Pitches so he's essentially up to thirty to forty, pitches is WHAT i would. Guess this is, like this is Like february fifth maybe of a pitcher's, routine Maybe february, fifteenth Like ray when he gets to spring, training and then his next outing will be. Lives maybe he does two lives and then his first outing is in the. Game so if you're talking, about, okay well when Will Shane bieber be, back they're not going to rush. Him and if you're talking about normal, progression he's in my, opinion he's a deep six to eight weeks away from pitching. Yet so you're talking about The All star break, essentially.

00:32:59
Speaker 6: Yeah SO i mean he's not anywhere. Close it is basically what you're.

00:33:02
Speaker 2: Saying And i'm not certain guys That Jose barrios is close, either Because Ben Nicholson smith was saying that The Blue jays are still working through next steps With barrios after HIS mri last. Night expectation As jays will know and share more On. Friday so we still don't know when he's coming. BACK i, mean let's, say all things being, EQUAL, aj if all three guys were coming, back let's say, tomorrow who do you think would have the biggest impact on this starting, rotation just based on?

00:33:29
Speaker 3: Stuff if you go off, stuff to, me It's beaver and if you go, off if you go off name Obviously. Sureser and then if you go off what had been, consistency it would Be burrios because he would take the ball every fifth day and now he's lost. That so the answer is all of. Them flip a, Coin, DELANA i don't. Know flip a three sided coin and see which one. LANDS i don't, know because right now you can't trust any of, them and it stinks for The Blue.

00:33:57
Speaker 2: Jays, yeah and we don't know when any of them are come, back so that also stinks for. Them another update for you guys dealing with yet another, pitcher a guy that definitely they want. Back brandon woodroof The Big, wu had a minor procedure. Yesterday this From adam, mccalvey who covers The brewers FROM mlb Dot com to drain fluid from his shoulder and is tentatively set to resume throwing On. Saturday Pat murphy believes That woodrooff will only need a couple of bullpens before he rejoins the. Rotation and, again The brewers just continue to surprise me every single year with the way that they are always in. It, Right but it's only going to get, Better eric If Big wu comes.

00:34:36
Speaker 5: Back it.

00:34:38
Speaker 4: Is but they're always in it because they Had Corbyn, Burns josh Hater Dal, Williams, Peralt Big wu and Healthy Big. Wu like that's why they were always in, it because as much as they didn't have a large, payroll they had some kind of stud pitcher that every other team. Wants The mets wanted to give away the farm For Freddy, parolta like they had those. Pieces and Without Big, wu Is patrick gonna be? Enough Is Kyle harrison for?

00:35:08
Speaker 5: Real?

00:35:09
Speaker 4: Yes, awesome, awesome great, Story like always always defying the. Odds you're defying the odds because of who you. Had the mis had to leave his last. Start hopefully he's one hundred percent to me With Big. Wu the fluid on his shoulder makes me question why was their fluid on his? Shoulder, well he had a major shoulder. Surgery maybe as an, organization you can't get rid Of Freddy perolta this year because of the fact That Big wu's not going to give you thirty two starts like he wants. To so you have to keep a guy that you normally would, Say, okay we're getting rid, of but they, did so now they have to figure it. Out now they have to hope That patrick continues to have a good, year That miz is going to be a guy who's most likely not going to give you a lot of, innings but it'll give you a lot of punchouts on most. Nights and so you hope he's coming, back but you also temper that with let's make sure he's, good but also make sure we're not just running him like every other. Pitcher he had a repaired, shoulder and to throw in the big leagues at a high level it is tough to. Do and to hear fluid coming out of your. SHOULDER i know that can't feel.

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00:37:50
Speaker 5: Gambler, yeah that's what he. Said that's what he.

00:37:53
Speaker 1: Said that's what he.

00:37:55
Speaker 5: Said that's what he.

00:37:56
Speaker 2: Said former Met Brandon nimmo on if his trade was strictly a baseball decision or due to clubhouse, dynamics he, said, QUOTE i believe it was probably just a baseball. DECISION i didn't see anything wrong with the chemistry between the, guys and if it was, happening it was, happening AND i didn't know about.

00:38:18
Speaker 6: It, Again, age we'll start with.

00:38:20
Speaker 2: YOU i was a bit surprised that The mets Let Pete alonzo, walk that they got rid Of Brandon, neimo two key. PIECES i thought of what The mets were doing last. Season but he didn't seem to think that there was a personality conflict or a chemistry issue with The. Mets but he did also say that there's a certain type of player and type of person that does well In New.

00:38:46
Speaker 6: York what do you think about what he? Said it's just a, baseball baseball.

00:38:51
Speaker 3: Decision he said exactly what you're supposed to. Say he's not going to sell out his other, team his old. Team he doesn't want to cause he. Doesn't he learned, Well i'll give him. Credit he learned well In New. York if there was Something he's, LIKE i didn't know about, it, well of course you didn't know about.

00:39:05
Speaker 1: It, RIGHT i, mean there's been enough articles written about.

00:39:07
Speaker 3: This we don't have to dig into all the ifs and butts and whats and nuts and all that.

00:39:11
Speaker 5: Stuff BUT.

00:39:13
Speaker 1: I don't.

00:39:14
Speaker 3: KNOW i, mean for The, rangers you're, like, uh, yeah we'll make that trade again tomorrow for different. Players if The mets want to make it the way they're playing right, NOW.

00:39:25
Speaker 1: I don't.

00:39:26
Speaker 3: Know he just said exactly what you're supposed to say to try to shut this story. Down and you know, WHAT i applaud, You Brandon. Neimo good job you learned something In New.

00:39:32
Speaker 2: York all, Right SO i want you guys to listen to What Brandon nemo had to say about basically the differences of playing for The New York mets and The Texas.

00:39:43
Speaker 6: Rangers take a.

00:39:44
Speaker 8: Listen guys would always told me when they would come from other, teams like this is this always how it is, here you, Know AND i didn't know any, Different SO i was just, Like, Hey i'm not really the guy to ask on, that but, yeah this is how it's a bit never SINCE, i you, know SINCE i came. Up now being on the other on the other, SIDE i do realize what they. Mean it is a lot more laid back and, uh you, know there's just not NECESSARILY i wouldn't say less, responsibility but it's just it's it's a whole lot. Easier and so there is a certain type of player and type of person that it takes in order to be In New. York AND i understand that better. NOW i just grew up in, it SO i didn't know any, different but NOW i. DO i would have more apathy and and be able to understand a little bit more coming From texas now and being.

00:40:46
Speaker 5: There for a little.

00:40:47
Speaker 2: Bit, guys long gone are the, days for the most, part that a guy can spend his entire career with one. Team you guys have played for different. Organizations, Obviously eric a lot of different. Organizations but is he is there true to What Brandon nemo is, SAYING a fine prospect out Of.

00:41:03
Speaker 6: Shyanne, wyoming by the, way not a lot of guys come out Of.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: Wyoming is there truth aj and what he's saying that it takes a different type of player to have success In New.

00:41:13
Speaker 1: York.

00:41:14
Speaker 3: ABSOLUTELY i played In. Texas it's. Great nobody cares that. Much It's cowboys. Football It's cowboys, football, Man that's what you used to always joke.

00:41:22
Speaker 1: About everyone would be, like.

00:41:24
Speaker 3: Oh The rangers, are we're in first, place stud but, wait when did The cowboys? Start and when Is Jerry jones gonna? Do it's kind of like there's, like you, know you have the one beat beat Writer Evan. Grant we all know he's not. Respectable we love you have. It, uh you know they have a couple other ones, there but, listen it's very easy to play In. Texas it's a great. PLACE i love my year In. Texas it was so. Fun it was a great. Atmosphere the fans are great that they're. There they're, supportive they show up every, night they don't boo.

00:41:50
Speaker 1: You it's a.

00:41:51
Speaker 3: Lot it's a lot like playing In Saint louis on a smaller. Scale and, Listen Brandon nemo is. Right you go From york where there's twenty five beat writers standing there talk and asking you question after question after. Question you go To texas there's literally like three.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: Guys you know them.

00:42:04
Speaker 3: All you have a relationship with them, all and you can talk to him and they understand what to write and what not to. Write and that's what's cool about. It and that's why some people thrive in big, market so some guys thrive in small.

00:42:15
Speaker 1: Markets it's just a.

00:42:16
Speaker 3: Personality Think Brandon nima nailed it, Again, brandon you're two for two.

00:42:19
Speaker 5: Today, yeah he nailed. It and he was always he was always going to be the.

00:42:23
Speaker 4: One the reporter said, it that was always going to win the award at the bbwa's for The New York Sports Writer's Favorite, player essentially is the.

00:42:32
Speaker 5: Award but they said they have a.

00:42:33
Speaker 4: Rule they, said, yeah good guy, award you can't get it more than one time in your. Career and they, SAID i think it Was, ALBERNAZ i think she said. It i'm saying it. Wrong albernie. HEARD i forget where her first name, is but either, way she said, it and she was, like, yeah he can only win it one, year so somebody else has to win. It so, Yeah brandon gets.

00:42:56
Speaker 5: That he gets. That.

00:42:57
Speaker 4: Now the STORY i have IS i got called up for the first time ever To. Pittsburgh pittsburgh had like two or three beat. Writers the next YEAR i went to my to big league camp with The. Phillies that was the year that they Signed Cliff. Lee they, had you, know they had the five ass on the. Team they had just finished four straight division championships and spring training From pittsburgh to spring training To philly was. Ridiculous so you just you get immersed in it right away when you get to a larger. Market and so IF aj said that's How Tech texas was, easy nobody really cared because they were focused on The. Cowboys there's plenty of places like, that but when you have the big, market there's so many more. Opportunities there's so much more of a mobility for you to be an impact in other ways than just. Baseball and SO i think players who struggle with that it's just because they're not playing good. Baseball i've never seen anybody, say, oh, MAN i struggled In New york that YEAR i won THE mvp that, year THAT i THAT i hit two ninety with thirty Five New.

00:44:03
Speaker 5: York just ate me. Alive, no it's a. Dude they're hitting two thirty with like ten.

00:44:08
Speaker 2: Pumps all, right we have some new information. Here The dodgers are already playing against The Houston astros in a day. Game Jack, harris who writes for The California, post uh, Oh Dave, roberts and a trainer are coming out to check On Tyler glasnow after he threw some warm up pitches for the second. Inning it isn't my understanding that he is out of the, game, guys so that's not. Good they are Getting Blake snell back, soon and they were going to have to make a decision as to who was going to be the odd man, out but they may not have to aj If glasnow is in fact out for a.

00:44:50
Speaker 3: Bit, yeah, back they, said back, back lower back. Problems hopefully he's back.

00:44:56
Speaker 1: Soon that's.

00:44:56
Speaker 6: It, YEAH i mean they do Have IF i don't know how.

00:45:01
Speaker 4: This guy gets, Hurt i'll be, honest playing with him as hard as he works as diligent as he is about, stuff but it's been standard for. Him but it's also good that The dodgers are able to hopefully stop it before it gets really, bad and they have that depth to be able to do.

00:45:19
Speaker 6: That very.

00:45:20
Speaker 2: True i've seen a lot of first, pitches as have, you, gentlemen in terms of ceremonial first pitches and those types of. Things but how about This Miami dolphins Quarterback Malik willis throughout the first pitch ahead Of friday's. Game, now he is The Miami dolphins, quarterback AS i just, mentioned but this first pitch was a bit.

00:45:37
Speaker 6: Crazy he claims that he. Slipped are you buying?

00:45:42
Speaker 2: It?

00:45:42
Speaker 3: Aj, hey at least he didn't bounce. It he missed, high he missed, hi and he threw it. Hard so about the worst first Pitch i've ever, SEEN. Fifa there's a few of them that are pretty. Bad Bob costas out about it and once we love, You, bob but no one saw it was racingly memory banks.

00:45:59
Speaker 5: Forever.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: Yeah we at least he do it high in, heart so we'll give him credit for.

00:46:02
Speaker 4: That he did, slip go back and watch the. Video you can see his front foot. Slip but it's a rookie mistake by a. Quarterback you just you just think, Automatically, well, yeah, quarterback you should be able to throw a. BASEBALL i bet more baseball players can throw a football than football players can throw a.

00:46:20
Speaker 6: Baseball are baseball players the best?

00:46:22
Speaker 4: ATHLETES i, mean if you, argue if you argue what an athlete, is are they the most physically?

00:46:28
Speaker 5: Gifted? No could they play other?

00:46:30
Speaker 4: Sports, yes but let's be, honest like physically, gifted go go on a football. Field them men are built way different than baseball. Players you go on the basketball, Court you're not touching AN nba. Court it's not happening like sport to. Sport that's hard.

00:46:47
Speaker 6: Argument, COORDINATION i think is the hardest thing in the.

00:46:50
Speaker 3: World, specialized, specialized the most specialized. Skill hitting a baseball is the most specialized.

00:46:55
Speaker 2: SKILL i, Mean dion said that baseball was the hardest wort.

00:47:01
Speaker 3: User it is specially the specialized one is the hardest. Part by the, way two, things uh osel Two vey's birthday. Today if you haven't seen the thing pitching N ejina did with him swinging himself trying to hit the slider last, night. Hilarious good Job Rob and second of, all It's. Izzy It's Willie may's birthday, too but It's Izzy alcntaro's. Birthday if you don't know Who Izzy alcantara, is just google batter Drop Kicking catcher and you'll know who he.

00:47:24
Speaker 1: Is, yes watch your watch your chest really.

00:47:29
Speaker 6: Quickly what's your?

00:47:29
Speaker 4: Hat?

00:47:30
Speaker 6: Crats we gotta say.

00:47:30
Speaker 2: Goodbye you got all The Grapefruit league.

00:47:37
Speaker 6: Hats how did you do?

00:47:39
Speaker 4: This and The Arizona league and all THE wbc shout out new, era best hat game in the.

00:47:44
Speaker 5: Game.

00:47:45
Speaker 6: Wow all, right, guys great to be with you as. Always we appreciate. It Scott brown is back with you guys.

00:47:50
Speaker 2: Tomorrow for all of you joining, us thanks so much, Obviously Joe, Matten, specer Torkl, Sin we appreciate, you.

00:47:57
Speaker 6: Guys we'll talk to you. Later See, yeah