#565: Bobby and Eddie Debate if These Bands Are Actually Great or Just Nostalgic + Top 5 Favorite Music Documentaries

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty five of The Bobby Cast. Here with Eddie, we're going to talk about music documentaries. You did your top five.

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Speaker 2: This was hard, dude. Top five was hard because I love music documentaries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. It was hard for me as well. Probably a little bit of mine is going to be a recency bias. But before we get there with that, So you were walking out in and there was a guy walking out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who was that? Describe him? Uh, look like he could be my brother. Longer hair, cool looking, very nice, really nice. Waved at me while sitting in my car. Oh he did. I don't think. I don't know him. I don't know if he knows me, but he waved at me. We smiled.

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Speaker 1: So everybody listening, you're gonna hear the episode coming up in a bit.

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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you a story here. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I went to Morgan and I said, hey, you know who I'd like to have on the show. Are you familiar at all with Sean Ryan? He navy sealed a bald head dude was in the CIA, has a massive podcast, like five million followers on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: No, so did he kill though he did not? That's not him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he lives here though, and I said, hey, I like to get Sean Ryan on and Morgan's like, boom, I'll go work on it.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The next day, she's like got him. And I was like, holy crab, you got Sean Ryan that quick because he's a really big deal. She's like yeah, So we set the time on the calendar and I guess Mike flags it and Mike's like, hey, this says Sean Ryan music.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I was literally gonna say he was a Navy seal.

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Speaker 1: So they booked the wrong guy. Get that is hilarious. So so who is this guy? So they're like, what do you want to do? You want to cancel? You want to tell them? I said no, I don't want to cancel because I don't know. My feelings will be hurt if someone booked me and then realize they made a mistake and just canceled, Like I guess, I wouldn't take it personally, but it still sucked.

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Speaker 2: It would yeah, because you thought initially they were trying to get you, and then I find out that they're not. They're trying to get someone's name. So I said, I want to have him up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he does, but I want to have him up and talk with him and do an interview with him.

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Speaker 2: But we have to tell him. Yeah you have to. So we had him up. He knows the whole story. Tell him right away as soon as it started. Isn't yet, Well, he knew.

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Speaker 1: We told him before he came up here, because I didn't want to coming up here and thinking, wow, this guy's a big fan. It was, Hey, we messed up, but I totally respect all that you're doing. So come up and let's just make something out of it.

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Speaker 2: It'll be good for you. I don't want to be a dick and cancel on you. So that was who that was. So he plays That is hilarious.

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Speaker 1: He plays like like rockabilly, okay kind of Yeah, so we spent cool story. Yeah he was homeless as a kid. Yeah'll let him tell the story because this is so organic, That's what I said, Like, weird, how all this happened? Yeah, here we were and we did forty five minutes or so, just talking about his life and career and he'll be on.

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Speaker 2: Coming up soon.

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Speaker 1: Will it be transparent to just I just felt like it would be more genuine for both of us, and I would feel better about myself than just to interview me and I act like I'm a big fan, but all of our audience knows that I'm I'm not dicking with them because we didn't set it up that way on purpose, but it would have felt that way.

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Speaker 2: Hilarious, Yeah, that's who that was. So you're still gonna get Sean Ryan the we're trying. It's harder to get them than he originally was. He wasn't that hard to get originally. Man, Sean Ryan Live, I'm available. Man Sean Ryan Live was like, oh wait, they're ten minutes. That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, on Instagram it's Sean Ryan Live, the guy that just came in.

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Speaker 2: So you can go ahead and look up his bage if you want to. But yeah, that'll be sick. That'll be that story.

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Speaker 1: I do have some stuff I wanted to do before we get into our documentaries.

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Speaker 2: I want to give you a band.

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Speaker 1: Is this band great or has a nostalgia made them greater?

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Speaker 2: This in our minds? This is crazy. I was just talking to my son about being great. He was asking me about movies. He's a big movie guy, and he was like, what do you think about like people just saying like movies aren't great, like maybe they don't like it or they don't identify to it, but you think it's okay just to call a movie great. And we kind of this whole discussion about how you can call whatever you want great or not great. It's art. And that's what's kind of cool about this question.

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Speaker 1: I think too, as we get older, we have a fonder view of things from when we were younger, even if we didn't love it, then we associate a love to that time. It's the same as people going, you know what SNL cast was the best, and it's always the one when you were like.

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Speaker 2: Twelve yep, and you were just a sponge too, Like you're just taking in all kinds of media because for me, it was like the Adam Sandler years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my favorite SNL class same because we're the same age. And I'm sure if you went to other people that are five ten years older than that's oh Steve Martin, Ah yeah, yeah, so Eddie Murphy. These bands are all super famous, are they and were they actually great bands or are they just great now because.

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Speaker 2: We've associated some nostalgia. Okay, okay, fun train not great. Great, not great, you go first, not great. They were really great at producing music for the time because I think, you know, when you got their first one, meet Virginia was so different than like, hey, Soul's sister.

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Speaker 1: Meet and Virginia was so she doesn't know what.

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Speaker 2: Dress, hair is always a mess. Just let you welcome fast. She's beautiful. Yeah, and even like but they're I feel like their lyrics were always kind of quirky.

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Speaker 1: She smokes a pack of day Yeah that's me. But anyway, yes, so I don't feel like that changed.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I didn't call them great, because they were so cheesy to me. You know, they thought they were cheesy, like those lines, you know, like a like a virgin on Madonna, you know, like it's just dumb, little stupid lines like that. But they but they were able to stay relevant for a long time because of Jupiter drops a Jupiter in Hey, Hey Jams two jams. Don't get me wrong, good songs. Not a great band.

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Speaker 1: I think they were great. I think vocally a plus. I think Pat Montan is really one of the great vocal lead singers of the past thirty years.

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Speaker 2: And would you guess THEMB a rock band. They're a rock band, Okay, I would, but then but then they they're a pop band too.

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Speaker 1: I think the sound changed and time went on, so they became like a hot adult contemporary.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like that that format they did have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see where some people think it's cheesy.

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Speaker 2: I love them. I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: I think if we're tied, we go to Mike, Mike, Train not great?

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Speaker 2: What now that you might do? You have the same reason I do.

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Speaker 3: It's like music you hear on a commercial.

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Speaker 2: You guys are such haters. Train talented, not great drops a Jupiter, Hey soul sister, Hey sol sister. Yeah, yeah, all those let's see.

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Speaker 1: I meant Virginia calling all angels.

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Speaker 2: What's the one that was a dut dum that's not drive by? They stole that melody of whatever that piano song is, but heart and saw the piano song. Yeah, uh, marry me? How does that one go? I don't remember that one?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: You? You marry me? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: If you lay here, hold on, I'll skip pep out. Some of their stuff is really good. It's on TV commercial, Mike. This song was on like a I think they made it and then like a ring commercial.

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Speaker 2: Put it on because commercial, it's a tampon commercial. Oh no, I.

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Speaker 1: Love train, I say great. Although I did get out voted on this one.

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. Talking to the microphone, Brandon, you have one over there by you? Does it work? Brand it's got his own microphone, he yelling across the room, Hey, everybody, it is on my Yeah. Okay, what's the story that dropped a Jupiter? All right?

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Speaker 5: So I didn't know this, but Pat Monahan wrote that song about his mom because she died.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you guys been a little guilty, not yet.

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Speaker 5: Super bad, because I'm about to drop something on you. No, his mom had had cancer and he was on the road, you know, they were they had just got signed. H They were saying, you know, the producer was like, you guys got to write together as a band. And so he kind of like wrote the song in private and just just to kind of like heal from his from his pain of losing his mom.

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Speaker 6: And he like recorded it on.

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Speaker 5: A tape forgot about it, and you know, handed his manager whoever, some of the tapes, and the guy heard drops the Jupiter.

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Speaker 6: He's like, dude, this is a generational song.

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Speaker 5: He's like really, He's like, you think, so you have to record this right now and the rest is history.

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Speaker 1: So when I read you the lyrics, I think it hits a bit different now that you know that's about about his mom. Well, now she's back in the atmosphere because she died.

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Speaker 2: I also thought it was Betsy's back in the atmosphere, So okay, so wrong about that.

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Speaker 6: His mom's name is Betsy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so well, now back in the atmosphere, we drop the Jupiter. Hey yeah, walks like summer talking like.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to Yeah? Oh man, So so what even I feel different about that song? Tell me? So? Did you know Taylor Swift covered it too?

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Speaker 4: That?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at the tailor lyrics and at first I ended up on the tailor lyrics and it was like, well, now he's back in the atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, so, Brandon, how did you know so much about that song?

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Speaker 3: What's your vote?

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Speaker 2: Great? Well, he's gonna say great now, but let the guy talk.

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Speaker 6: Here's the thing I can. I can see both sides.

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Speaker 2: No, don't, don't be a fensitter.

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Speaker 5: But what what takes it over the line for me is I had Pat pat money and solo record and it's so good to.

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Speaker 2: Do after Train after, but that doesn't count Brandon and it was it was in between that, and don't tell him what counts.

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Speaker 1: You don't tell him what counts about how he feels about.

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Speaker 2: We talked about pat Mount Moony Train.

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Speaker 1: Can still affect how what he thinks about the band?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great or no, I think they're great?

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Speaker 2: Great? Okay?

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Speaker 1: No, Well back to even love it. I got a few more Limp Biscuit.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Oh, like, do I think they're great, great band? Or does nostalgia make them great? No? Does the nostalgia Definitely? I think I think they're great because they're they're so good at it. Let me get this straight, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: You don't think Limp Biscuit was corny, but you think that train was corny.

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Speaker 2: I think Limp Biscuit was corny, but they were doing their own thing. They weren't trying to fit into the mold. You don't think they were corn two point zero? No, oh, I never. I never compared the two corn two brought him in. Really, I didn't. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really way, I love limb Biscuit. All I'm doing is challenging your beliefs.

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Speaker 2: SYS. Well, No, it was just that, you know, I'd never heard any thing like I guess I didn't listen to Korn. I'd never heard anything like Limbiscuit before. It was so unique and they, I mean, they started a movement of people just getting angry like this half hip hop, half hard rock kind of sound that no one had ever really heard before unless you were corner.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that because it's Corn, Mike, would you agree, Yeah, because Jonathan Adams brought in Fred Durst and limp Biscuit. Well, I didn't know that, and so then that's what I remember the relationship being on like TRL. But but most people may not know that because Corn didn't pop like they didn't cross over like limbiskit did. No, because limb Biscuit's Faith was the first song that was on MTV where I was going what in the world because there was just enough safety in it being a George Michael song. In the beginning of that song, it didn't hit as hard as it did until it hit the chorus because it starts off and it's just kind of cory. I guess it will be nice, But then when it goes into.

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Speaker 2: The chorus could you go to fair?

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Speaker 7: That was hard?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So your vote is I say great. I say great because and they're still going. And I don't think anyone's like following O Limbiscuit now because of what they used to do or whatever.

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Speaker 7: Well you don't.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's not a Besuit concert because of their music in the late nineties.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think there's anyone listening to him now, like kids listening now and been like, oh that's cool, I want to be a fan. These are all older people that are still fans. But I mean, dude, yeah, it's a yeah. They're a great band. Not my favorite, but great band and lots of songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm gonna have to say a great band.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to challenge you on all that. Oh dang it. I love limb Biscuit, you do love them. I love Wes Borland. Dude. He freaked me out with his eyes.

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Speaker 1: He if you ever just go watch his interviews or read stuff that he's written, like he is an artist first, like an aesthetic artist first, and that was going to be his job. Yeah, he was making art and obviously plays guitars.

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Speaker 2: Lead guitars of limb Biscuit.

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Speaker 1: He's the only guy I've ever seen go full black face and not be canceled for it.

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Speaker 2: Like you've ever seen that.

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Speaker 3: He paints his whole body.

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Speaker 2: He painted his whole body is all the way black and it wasn't like monkey or something different. They did call him. I think that was like, what do you.

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Speaker 1: Think that's a different person. Yeah, that's yeah, different dude.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. See, I didn't even know that. You see you think of the same band. That's nuts. That's why I think they're great. It's two bands in one. Uh, Mike. If you look for him, he's playing a festival and his whole body's painted black. Yeah yeah, yeah. And he's not doing it as a race.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just painting himself up as like a superhero or something.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes he'll do like half black, half white.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But he his interviews are really cool and he's not like an angry he's soft spoken, really extremely educated. Never really wanted to be and limp Biscuit. It just kind of happened and they took off. H I love limb Biscuit. Are they there's probably a bit of they get greater because of nostalgia.

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Speaker 2: But I love them so much, you're gonna have to say great.

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Speaker 1: Fred Dorst was really cool to me when I was in college.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever meet him? No? No, no, I meant, And then you knew fredmates at Henderson State, no clue.

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Speaker 1: And now to watch him perform because they're doing massive shows again and they do a lot of festivals, especially like South American festivals. The fact that he just embraces the completely gray Santa Claus Beard and goes hard.

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Speaker 2: He's unrecognizable, goes hard.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're good on that one. Then Biscuit, we're gonna say great.

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Speaker 2: We agree.

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Speaker 1: I don't think lim Biscuit is as great as Train, which is funny because you don't think I said not great.

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Speaker 6: Well, Roland is actually about fred Durst's grandma.

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Speaker 2: Who sadly, Oh yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's about her Walker Goo Goo dolls. Nah. Not great? Not great? Really? Nah? Why because he's pretty? Is he pretty? He was pretty interesting looking guy.

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Speaker 1: He was like super good looking for like e lead singer here looking dude.

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Speaker 2: But he's not pretty like he's pretty. He's very pretty.

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Speaker 1: Feminine features, good looking guy, high cheek bones.

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Speaker 2: Good looking yeah. I mean I don't know, dude. It's just like again commercial music, you know, like this. It was in the City of Angels soundtrack, Like that's really like what blew me on that song because I don't want the world to see me because I don't they'll understand. I was never did. I just want you to know. You can't tell him your name. Different song, bro, one song to the other. Yeah. No, I mean a solid band like that had some good songs on solid, but not great dude. No, no, no, no. And just because the guy's pretty, he's great. No, I'm just saying I would hold that against him.

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Speaker 1: And they said he was looking cut through. Yeah, the only thing that I was annoyed. I'm saying great. I love Google.

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Speaker 2: So you're going three greats so far. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think I've seen good all six or seven times, and I haven't. I probably saw him once in the past seven years. I saw them here in Nashville one really So what is he still pretty? He's older so it's more distinguished, matured, Yeah, mature pretty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but still pretty. But Iris was a jam. Yeah. Like their biggest songs though, aren't songs that I love? Is Iris? The City of Angels one okay, and then I won't tell them your name. That's called name. That was their first hit. I love jam Slide Oh Slide, so why don't You Slide?

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Speaker 1: Not my favorite because it was all over the radio all the time, but still great.

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Speaker 2: I love Black Balloon sing that one. I don't know that one.

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Speaker 6: That's all I know.

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Speaker 2: Are you is that? Are you being real selling black balloon?

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Speaker 3: That's all I know.

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Speaker 2: You're just saying the word black balloon. Yeah. Oh, I've heard this one, so now I see just like him. I'm afraid they're gonna cancel a podcast for copyright reasons. I love goog good Alls.

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Speaker 1: I think Goo Goole Alls Go Down is great for me?

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Speaker 2: Is any other?

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Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 6: Is?

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Speaker 2: Gone was a jam.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to sing them all near each other, but I bought all the albums. I didn't realize You're such a sympathy is really good?

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Speaker 2: Gone? I feel like I know Gone.

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Speaker 1: Another was some of this. They kind of kind of looks like Keith Urban he does yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, many when your sympathy not a no.

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Speaker 2: I't I ever heard that one. I'm going great, You're going not so great? Okay, Mike, I'm gonna go great. Wow.

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Speaker 3: They started as like an eighties.

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Speaker 2: Punk rock band and then yeah, he loves punk rock.

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Speaker 3: I go back and listen to that stuff. So I think they're great.

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Speaker 1: They're part that annoys me about them, or annoyed me because I saw them a bunch. The bass player when they do interviews. Now it's just those two and they may be the two guys that are still in the band. But the bass player had long hair and he always kept his face covered. But he always on every album because I was I was an album buyer of Goo Goo Dolls.

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Speaker 2: He always sang like two songs, oh he like he was the lead singer of the two songs. Oh yeah. And it was just so different.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even a bad singer, but it did not sound like Johnny Resnick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you like Goo Goo Dolls because of the sound that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting, Brandon, you want to throw in, I think they're great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Really did you ever like open for them or play with I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I actually saw them in Austin. It was Life House or it is Kobe Kelay Life House and then Goo Goo Dolls headlining Google's headlined. And I always loved their music, but seeing them live.

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Speaker 2: It was like, dude, yeah, they're good.

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Speaker 6: They're so solid.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever know the guys from Lifehouse?

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Speaker 6: I did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ever play with them?

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Speaker 6: I didn't play. I wrote with the lead singer Wade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's you and me stuff.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he does.

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Speaker 2: Did We should try to get him on.

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Speaker 5: I had like all these like Lifehouse ideas basically didn't realize it.

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Speaker 6: And he's like, yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 5: Like we basically wrote like three Lifehouse ish songs and I was like that was cool.

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Speaker 2: Did they get cut? No? Okay, uh yeah a Lifehouse was good. Dude. Brandon has so many crazy stories he does. Brandon's be like, what do you do? What do you? Did you ever write with Sugar Ray? Yeah, dude, that wrote fly Funny. I saw Mark one day. I was like, dude, like every morning, do you ever do anything? And Mark's like every morning? It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Lifehouse has I think two real bangers. They weren't on my list.

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Speaker 2: But this is when you were like top forty radio, right, like this is this is when I just live in life. Man. Yeah, just hanging by a moment, right, I'm hanging by a moment here with you. And then because it's You and Me and all the No, Yeah, and I Can't Take was off of you. Same song, yeah, same song.

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Speaker 1: And then He I Think had a song no maybe thinking an Alex from a different band.

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Speaker 2: Was he bald?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Good looking dude? Hey? Pretty even pretty gay? Right Brandon? Pretty good looking at Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, they weren't on the list, but Fun Throwback, smash Mouth, Oh gosh, why are you?

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Speaker 2: Why are you picking these bands? They're so cheesy, Like you can go cheesy and go not. They're cheesy doesn't mean they're not great. So oh man, that's tough. I'm gonna say not great. I'm gonna say not great to Okay, good cheesy good. But started but they started off.

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Speaker 1: Much harder, like Walking in the Sun that was their first hit. But they their their sound was definitely edgier.

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Speaker 2: I did like Walking in the Sun. I like that sound of like almost.

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Speaker 1: Like the doors, Yeah, like doors keep the keyboard of the.

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Speaker 2: BA yeah yeah. And then All Star came and but they had success, so they kind of shifted that. Sugarade did the same thing. They were harder, much harder.

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Speaker 1: The first Sugar Ray album whenever they had fly it was pretty much a rock They were, and that was the song that wasn't so rock that made them pop and so everything else they turned into that.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I remember seeing Sugar Ray with three eleven, and no doubt have you seen three eleven lately? I see him on like tiny desk concerts or whatever, like eat singer, pretty yeah, good good Now, obviously a good looking guy. And he's the singer, right, not the rapper. He's a singer. Okay, amber is the color of your energy. I've seen him do that on TikTok. Yeah, good looking on TikTok. I know that counts not a person. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we're going smash mouthed, not great, not great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got three more.

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Speaker 7: This is the Bobby cast.

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Speaker 2: I don't even want to say this one. Come on, I don't want to say this one because I know what you're gonna say. Is it cheesy?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna say that, and then I'm going to remind you of something, and then you're gonna go yeah, but and it's Creed.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, not great, terrible.

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Speaker 1: Scott, come in, Scott, Scott. You just didn't like their sound.

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Speaker 2: No, they stole it from Eddie Vedder, They stole it from Pearl Ja.

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Speaker 1: Like, No, I never thought the Creed sounded like Pearl everyone thought.

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Speaker 2: When you say that.

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Speaker 1: I can definitely hear dmx jaw rule where you go, oh, there might be something there, or maybe they're just the two people that's saying somewhat similar.

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Speaker 2: There was even what was that on MTV where they would fight? That was Scott's stap one, But do you think that was made?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that was a narrative created by the press, not so much Scott's stap emulating him.

00:22:53
Speaker 2: I don't think Scott's. There are comedians that are They're almost the same, but they that doesn't mean they took it from each other. I've never heard Scott's staffs say like I was influenced by Eddie, like oh I love his voice whatever. I never heard anything. I've ever even heard him like address anything about him sounding like Eddie Butter I haven't either, because I don't. I never thought of them in the same breath. Oh I always did, And that's kind of why. Really at the very beginning, like, oh, I don't like this. It's almost like John Michael Montgomery when he came out. I was such a Garth Brooks fan. I was like, I don't I don't like this. I don't like that John Michael Montgomery whar was a black hat like Garth Brooks didn't sound like that either. Yeah, you find weird things. Yeah, dude, I stand for my original artist that I that I love. So you're going no one creedy. No, you should.

00:23:29
Speaker 1: Now if there's something you'd like to say, nice because Scott's Stepp. I'm not saying because he volunteered his time for our saint dude, I'm just saying as a performer.

00:23:37
Speaker 2: I will tell you that I had a blast playing with Scott Stapp at the Million Dollar Show. Was he good? He's awesome. He was awesome, and he's a nice He's a nice guy.

00:23:45
Speaker 1: And he sounded exactly like the record.

00:23:47
Speaker 2: He sounded great and he was very kind to everyone. Like rockstar. You don't expect a rock star to be like that. He was. I don't think he was.

00:23:56
Speaker 1: I think no, I think nice all the time. I think later in life, Oh, he really went through it. It gave him some perspective. I think then he got really nice.

00:24:04
Speaker 2: Interesting. I didn't know him when he.

00:24:05
Speaker 1: Wasn't really nice, but you can watch some of those documentaries like him and Fred Durst got into a big time really yeah, I think massive ego. I think even said that Mike and the interview we do with him, Yeah, that he was. He was problematic, but to us, awesome, great, such a great vote he was.

00:24:20
Speaker 2: He sounds you like the record due, I felt so bad. Every tell you about when he we were singing together, and and it was what songs did he sing with us? He did do with arms? I did my own prison higher? Can you take me higher? I think it was higher? Yep, I mean Brandon was our guitarist. Yea, yeah, I think it was higher.

00:24:39
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and weathered no sacrifice.

00:24:43
Speaker 2: I think it was my sacrifice. And like he comes to my side of the stage and I'm singing and he puts the mic in front of my mouth to sing the words. I don't know any Creed wars, and so I just mumbled it was I was so embarrassed. Higher, awesome, my sacrifice. Awesome. Just say it, Just say it with arms water and just say you love it. I loved Creed. What did you like about Creed? Their songs? That's it? My own prison? There. What if that was hard? What if? What if? What if? What if? You know what I did like about that show. I loved how the crowd loved it. You gotta be into it if you're a Creed show like the crowd. You loved it. Oh at our show and our show they lit up.

00:25:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that was cool to see. My own prison was such a jam. It was never a pop song.

00:25:33
Speaker 9: But quarters in session, the verdict on the docket tonight just smile And then he goes.

00:25:44
Speaker 2: And I said, dude, I was dating a girl like in high school. That's a good story. And she's a girl and she liked Creed and we broke up as soon as you told me that I broke up. You're an idiot.

00:25:59
Speaker 1: I wish I would have interrupted that in an idiot because that got even more idiotic that you broke up with it.

00:26:04
Speaker 2: We can't be together. I have two more Kings of Leon. Ooh great love Kings of the Leon. Great. Yeah, but I don't know like they kind of you question yourself. Well, the problem with the Kings of Leon is they fight all the time and like family though family, I get it, But like that and that was a documentary that I was gonna put down they have are such a good documentary when I almost put it down as well honorable mention, but uh uh yes, dude, just to kind of see how the lead singer and his brother fight and like really fight, like I'm quitting the band.

00:26:36
Speaker 1: It reminded me of redneck oasis, like rednecks, redneck Southern oasis, American southern oasis.

00:26:41
Speaker 2: And I like them. I think they're I mean, their songs are awesome, even like the older stuff like the Bucket. Do they have a big enough body of work though?

00:26:49
Speaker 1: Because they have songs that are great, and I really like everything about them sonically, their style, I just don't know if they have enough. As a cat, I'm a super casual, so I'm gonna admit that too that I would go great.

00:27:02
Speaker 2: They have great, they have a great body of work. I don't know if it's enough, though, to consider them great. I'm with you. I'm with you, like uh, some what's somebody, somebody use somebody, sex is on fire?

00:27:14
Speaker 1: I love you somebody.

00:27:18
Speaker 2: Somebody someone like you. But I'm with you, dude, I don't think they have enough there.

00:27:24
Speaker 1: So I put these two last because it's what we're going to get into They have a great documentary. I encourage people if you're looking for a music documentary that one's really good. They found their family, moved around. Dad was like a preacher. Yeah, they put up tents. Leon tent?

00:27:38
Speaker 2: Was it really Leon? Yeah, that's why they're the Kings of Leon. I didn't really moved on. It's great.

00:27:43
Speaker 1: The other one is Counting Crows.

00:27:46
Speaker 2: Great, the greatest.

00:27:47
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the people can argue the Beatles and I go, you have your opinion.

00:27:53
Speaker 2: The Counting Crows is amazing, amazing. They're an amazing, great American rock band. And I'm glad to.

00:27:59
Speaker 1: See them finally, as the kids say, get their flowers. Yes, because now they're starting to really be respected. There was about fifteen years or so in that transition from then when they were extremely relevant to now when we can finally appreciate them, that people kind of made fun of them.

00:28:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love Counting Crows my favorite band. How uh, my favorite band, my favorite band? How early did you get into count of Crows? Like the very beginning, mister Jones.

00:28:24
Speaker 1: Yes, And then that's probably what got me there was hearing that song on the radio, because that's how you got anything back in the day. But that is my comfortable album. I have two comfortable albums that I put on and I can just let the world do his thing. It's Counting Crows August and everything after that has Mister Jones that has.

00:28:43
Speaker 2: Round Here, round Here.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: Agins Not Until Long December is next record. So people like, yes, not that record, great song, perfect blue Build That and Continuum.

00:28:52
Speaker 2: Are my John May my two favorite albums like those.

00:28:56
Speaker 1: Another favorite album is the Beastie Boys Licensed Ill, But that one doesn't make me relax.

00:28:59
Speaker 2: No, that's like we're ready to party, dude.

00:29:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's just like, you know, energy, different vibe energy. Counting Crows are really great, and what got me into what we're about to talk about is their documentary.

00:29:12
Speaker 2: By the time you guys watched this, it's out. It's been out now.

00:29:14
Speaker 1: We haven't seen it yet. This the day before it comes out, but.

00:29:18
Speaker 2: You sent me the trailer for it like three weeks ago, and man, I've just been so excited to watch this thing.

00:29:26
Speaker 1: Because it was cool to see the Counting Crows again be celebrated.

00:29:29
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and my favorite My favorite thing about documentaries is learning about the band. Like I feel like I know a lot about the Count of Crows, but I really wasn't you know, Like it's it's not like today where you can just get online and get on the internet and see everything like I don't really know.

00:29:45
Speaker 1: You had to read it in a magazine or see behind the music VH one.

00:29:49
Speaker 2: You heard about his dating life like you heard, but to see like images of him and Courtney Cocks together or Jennifer Aniston, like it's gonna be cool.

00:29:56
Speaker 1: He dated both of them crazy while they were both on friends and same time. But still he did it both of them while they were on friends.

00:30:02
Speaker 2: I know it crazy.

00:30:04
Speaker 1: It's been really cool to interview him a couple of times, and I don't have a relationship with him, but he knows you.

00:30:10
Speaker 2: He knows you exists for sure, and we do DM occasionally. That's awesome sparingly, but it's super cool.

00:30:16
Speaker 1: The weird thing about my career has been I've gotten to know some of like my musical or athletic heroes. But when they're not when they're on the downside.

00:30:25
Speaker 2: I never like, I never like get them in their prime. But I think it's better that way because they're they're nicer. Now. Yeah, you know, if you're going to meet Deon Sanders in the at like the prime. We would never hear no, no chance, hey, the prime of his career. I didn't mean to do that. They did. There.

00:30:40
Speaker 1: Oh so Counting Crows a new documentary. It's on HBO Max. This is not a commercial for it. I sent Eddie the trailer and then I sent it to my wife, who does not like Counting Crows. She thinks it's middle aged whining with a guitar behind it. And I said, well, they weren't. I said they weren't middle aged though when they recorded it. She only sees them now. Yeah, And she said, not only will I not watch the documentary with you, I'm not even gonna watch the TikTok you sent me of the trailer.

00:31:04
Speaker 2: I said, okay, you got it.

00:31:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna do top five music documentaries ever, which, by the way, I did watch the one that came out a couple of weeks ago.

00:31:13
Speaker 2: Jeff buck You watched the Jeff Buckley Jef Buckley?

00:31:16
Speaker 8: Yeah?

00:31:16
Speaker 2: How cool was that? Did you watch it? I did. I didn't know his dad was famous. I did have no idea either, I mean super famous, like knew Paul McCartney famous.

00:31:23
Speaker 1: I thought I was stupid because Tim Buckley no clue was his dad and was famous. And when Paul McCartney and his wind at the time, Linda, they were like, oh, we.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: Knew your dad, And I'm like, wait, what famous? I had no idea. I still don't know who that is.

00:31:36
Speaker 1: And I said this to you when we were talking about Jeff Buckley, I said he only has one album because I don't. I didn't know a lot about him other than really just a Leonard Cohen song.

00:31:45
Speaker 2: Hell do you? Yeah? And Allie started to know that because American idol and everybody singing in that yeah. And I watched it. I thought it was good. Yeah, what did you learn? Like, what's like one thing that you were just like? Wow, I didn't I didn't know that about it. An the dad that a famous dad. I had no idea that he had moved to Memphis. That was what I was gonna say.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: Next, he moved to Memphis. So he ends up drowning, Yes, and in the Mississippi River. Yeah, and they called it the Wolf River, yeah, which which is part of the mississ Did you look it up after that?

00:32:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same body of water that goes into it. Basically, if you're ever downtown Memphis, there's just a little peninsula in the river, and whatever's closest to the downtown area they call that Wolf River. I guess, I don't know, but it'sti the Missippi Rivers.

00:32:27
Speaker 1: I always wondered why he drowned the Misissippi River because I knew Hallelujah same And it turns out he was living there, and I thought he was just touring, like was on little Rock and exact.

00:32:37
Speaker 2: That's what I thought, to or recording or something.

00:32:38
Speaker 1: And the fact that he drowned I again because I took the narrative of probably the internet. I thought he's probably on drugs or something. He was just a guy whos probably depressed when it jumped in the full clothes, went to swim and then it was over like a big dip or like a trench.

00:32:53
Speaker 2: They had dodged, or and there's a current. There's current and the.

00:32:55
Speaker 1: Current got him and he couldn't swim up because he were in full clothes.

00:32:58
Speaker 2: So you don't think he did it on purpose. I don't. That was always before I watched this documentary, it was always like, did Jeff Buckley like commit suicide by jumping into the river or did he was in an accident And it was always just like, don't know. After watching the documentary, I'm convinced that it was not a suicide.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: And again, dovisionaries can make you feel a certain way, but I feel the same way. I didn't think from the very limited knowledge that I have on that.

00:33:22
Speaker 2: Because he was suicidal. He was depressed. What artist isn't going through right, You're only an artist and wanted to create things because you're feeling you feel super deeply. But then they make it seem like he was writing people or calling leaving long messages on their answer machines. You know, almost like he's saying goodbye because he didn' leave it. Yeah.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: I don't want to give the whole but it's good. I thought it was good. I'd love to give it three and a half out of five. I'm not a huge Jet Buckley fan. I just only ever knew him for one album, so I would discount him and being like we only had one album. What I did learn too is he knew who he was never straight from that. Yeah, even if it didn't fit, because he was there when the grunge guys were rocking.

00:33:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was. He definitely had his own style.

00:34:02
Speaker 1: Extremely not grunge. So that's one you can watch. It's part of those music box documentaries that Bill Simmons does.

00:34:08
Speaker 2: Did you have you listened to any of his music since?

00:34:11
Speaker 6: No?

00:34:11
Speaker 2: I thought, I want you to listen to the whole Grace album. And you mean his whole one album? Well, the one I think I think they released another one they did of all the stuff that he'd recorded posthumously. Huh, after he died. That's a that's a big word, after he died, like recent. Yeah, recent, got it. It looks like posthumously, posthumously. I've seen that word.

00:34:32
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.

00:34:45
Speaker 7: This is the Bobby Cast.

00:34:47
Speaker 2: You want to go first? Yeah, you have honorable mentions or no, I do have a lot of honorable mentions. I'll just listen him. I don't I want to talk about him. I'll just listen him. Do two honorable mentions?

00:34:56
Speaker 1: Uh, Amy Winehouse great, almost put it on my list.

00:35:01
Speaker 2: Great, tragic, like set real sad, really sad. I had no idea that she wasn't that much. I don't remember, okay, and then the n Sync one.

00:35:13
Speaker 1: I never saw the documentary you never watched it on in Sync?

00:35:16
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh so good, dude. I mean it tells you everything about uh, the guy that's Starlin, Yeah, the guy that started them. And I don't think I have no, I didn't know they had. I don't even know what it's called. They even talk about one of the guys who can't it's almost like them trying to get Backstree boys?

00:35:33
Speaker 3: Is it the boy band con one?

00:35:35
Speaker 2: Brian can't sing? It's on everyone? Then what is it? Ryan? Brian? Brian Littell can't sing? Okay, it's Brian Littrell. Then it's back He's Backstree Okay, So I watched that. Is the documentary on Backstreet Boys or in Sync or just boy bands?

00:35:46
Speaker 3: It's plan, isn't it.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:35:47
Speaker 1: I think I know because they're getting back together. I don't know, but I watched that one. See we're we're all. The one you're talking about is not in Sync. It's Backtory Boys.

00:35:56
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a really good documentary because he can't figure out why you can't sing anything. He cannot. He's like he tries to still can't. That's crazy, dude, somebody that can sing so well for so many years and then just the story of like Loop Prolman and yeah, bad dude.

00:36:09
Speaker 6: Oh the Instinct one's called Dirty Pop.

00:36:13
Speaker 2: I don't think that's it. I think mine's on Backstreet Voice. Okay, sorry? Uh.

00:36:17
Speaker 1: The one that I have an on a mention is a series the nineties music that defined a decade, seeing ended a whole.

00:36:23
Speaker 2: Series on Yeah, I remember that excellent, really good.

00:36:25
Speaker 1: Didn't really count as as a one off documentary, so I didn't put it on the list wonderful series.

00:36:30
Speaker 2: They do great work on those docu series.

00:36:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, did you do five four three two.

00:36:34
Speaker 2: And one or did you just do randomly? I do five four three two one? All right? Give me a five Running Down a Dream Tom Petty? Is that the one that's like five hours long?

00:36:41
Speaker 6: Uh?

00:36:41
Speaker 2: It's pretty long. I want to say it's like maybe three or four Okay, But dude, everything you want to know about Tom Petty, this is before he died too, so there's more to know about Tom Petty. But this was all early Tom Petty, Gainesville, Florida, moving to Hollywood. One big takeaway, I mean I saw this a long time time ago, like early two thousands, and the one big takeaway I remember from watching this documentary is I'll never forget him talking about his dad, how his dad never supported what he did. He actually tried to get him to stop playing music for so long and then he said, you know what, like screw you, I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna do it fully. And he moved to Hollywood for sued music made. It was successful, and he hadn't talked to his He hadn't talked to his dad for like three or four years, and his dad finally hit him up. He was like, I'm really proud of your music. Was really good. Did they have a relationship. No, he was like, screw you. He never supported me, Why would you support me? Now? Greatest American rock star is Tom Petty. I agree.

00:37:38
Speaker 1: I didn't set it up as rage bait when I said Dave Grole best rock and roll lead singer, lead singer, That means he didn't.

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Even think about Tom Petty. Do we we were talking about that.

00:37:48
Speaker 1: Solo artist the Heartbreakers Heartbreaker? Hey, no, you have to do all the work together. He was with Heartbreakers. Some not with Heartbreakers. Heartbreakers can't be the greatest rock.

00:37:57
Speaker 2: Band of all time? True because it was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and he didn't work with the Heartbreakers, and he had that yeah, like wow, Yeah, it's like saying the Wrecking Cruiser all time, so excellent, But they can't be the greatest band of all time because he left. He left him. Yeah, he was solo for a little bit.

00:38:12
Speaker 1: I did say Food Fighters, in my opinion, the greatest American rock band of all time, and mostly because they have thirty years of extreme relevance, and people were going, you're forgetting Journey, you idiot.

00:38:21
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not sary.

00:38:25
Speaker 1: First of all, awesome, I didn't staple myself to the fact that they are the absolute greatest. In my opinion, they are the greatest American rock band of all time because they've been able to stay relevant for three decades. Yes, and they've had hits in every decade. They've won Grammy's. I don't even know that they're my favorite to listen to of every rock band, although I have seen them, you know, a dozen times.

00:38:46
Speaker 2: But on Instagram, what people are going to tear you up? Well so much so I don't look at comments anymore. I mean, I think the cool thing about that too. And you talked a little bit about this is just the fact that he was able to go from one of the greatest rock bands ever to his own greatest rock band ever.

00:39:02
Speaker 1: But did it all by himself. At first made the whole first Food Fighters record by himself, played everything. Yeah, and so at number five.

00:39:07
Speaker 2: You have to running down a dream, Tom Petty.

00:39:10
Speaker 1: I have at five to one that came out pretty recently, The Greatest Knight and Pop.

00:39:15
Speaker 2: Oh my, how did I forget this dude? Which as we are the world, I would totally put that on my list. I cannot believe I forgot that one. That one is so good.

00:39:23
Speaker 1: So it's Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson. He did the documentary. It's Lionel's documentary, but Lionel and Michael wrote it. And it's how they.

00:39:32
Speaker 2: Got all those stars together and.

00:39:36
Speaker 1: Strategized how to get everybody together after that award show, managed all those egos, got everybody parts. Some people couldn't sing the Bob Dylan disaster that happened.

00:39:45
Speaker 2: That was my favorite part. Bob Dylan. They thought he could, I mean, they thought it was gonna be magic, and Bob Dylan had no idea what to sing or how to sing it. And Stevie Wonder had to show him.

00:39:55
Speaker 1: He had to sing like Bob Dylan had get into an impression of Bob Dylan.

00:39:59
Speaker 2: To Bob Dylan, one are sitting there being like, hey, man, just do it. Like hey, I'm like okay.

00:40:07
Speaker 1: So at number five I have that it maybe a bit of recentcy bias, but it was so good because there were so many stars in that.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: You know, I've watched that three times. Oh, so you do love it, and not because I want to watch it three times. I think it's more of like someone was at the house. I'm like, have you seen this documentary and they're like, no, let's watch it, and we sit down and watch it.

00:40:22
Speaker 1: I think we're going to have one similar one on you think, So with four left, I think we're going to match one. And I'm looking at specifically. I don't think so okay, I'll let you go in before, but it'll probably be one where you mentioned I'm like, oh, I didn't not put that on my list. Number four I want to put don't look back. It's Bob Dylan and it's from nineteen sixty seven, so it's it's right around the time where he had just gained success and he's turning into he's going from folk to rock and he's it's a tour in England and he's touring with Donovan and the fifties crooner Yeah Donovan and uh Joan Bias and.

00:40:55
Speaker 2: Based Donovan a fifties crooner even or he's a sixties he is a sixties like good looking at rockstar Superman crooner type guy. Though yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yea, maybe I think he had that song Superman in Greenland tun I got a Davida that kind of sounds like that. But anyway, they let this guy like just follow them with cameras the entire time, and you get to see every part of Bob Dylan, him going on stage, being awesome, getting off stage and being like man, that was stupid, Like why would they do that, Like they booed me, and like this is so dumb that they would boo me like that. And then you'd see him like you know him and Joan Bias like just kind of there was definitely something there. Well, they talk about it in the Bob Dylan movie. They do in the movie, but I think that that's why, like this documentary is kind of what exposed all that. Uh, basically tells the story of Bob Dylan based on these cameras being with him on that tour, which is really really cool. Did he was so freaking famous?

00:41:56
Speaker 1: I was never a big Bob Dylan guy. I read his book or not his book? I read a book about Bob Dylan.

00:42:00
Speaker 2: Oh have you not read his? His is good? Maybe I did read his. He wrote one, but then he did like volume It was only one that he wrote, and it was like volume three and he never wrote funny other ones one or two or four. Yeah.

00:42:13
Speaker 1: I read a book about Bob Dylan. I didn't even it's like Minnesota.

00:42:18
Speaker 2: He's from Minnesota. Y. Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:20
Speaker 1: Robert Zimmerman learned all of that stuff, but I never really appreciate I'm starting to appreciate it more as I get older, but I never really loved his music at all growing up.

00:42:30
Speaker 2: So what's cool. There's a whole chapter in that book about the Nashville number system, you know, the the just the how they play now, how they play chords and whatever. And what's funny is he goes he breaks it down into this like mathematical formula right in the book of like they gotta do this, gotta do that, whatever, well, this is such a braggy story. But when I met Willie Nelson, I asked him about like, have you read Bob Dylan's book. He's like, I'm not reading that crab. He's foolish, so full of crap. I'm not reading any of that. That's funny. But they were, I mean they were friends obviously, and number four friends I put twenty Feet from Stardom? Is that a about background singers? Oh, I don't, I don't.

00:43:14
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that one really good. I watched it on Netflix when it came out. It's from twenty thirteen, because I had to see how long ago it came out, and it really talks about the struggles, how people end up there, how people shoot to be that, how they don't they get really paid for session work or touring, but even if they're on records, they really don't get residuals. Like Mary Clayton did Gimme Shelter and that is a prominent.

00:43:37
Speaker 2: Part on Stones.

00:43:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she didn't get she got no songwriting credit, no real royalties, just a one time union scale to go in there and sing.

00:43:46
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

00:43:46
Speaker 1: And Cheryl Crowe was a background singer because I was from Michael Jackson for that's how they made their money up front. Some people became background singers because they had a field career. Some became background singers because they did. They couldn't make that step. They got too nervous.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: It's really great, great, which is Cheryl Growing that documentary she is that's really cool. I should watch that, you'd like it.

00:44:04
Speaker 1: I put it at number four because I think it added some perspective to what I think about background singers. So I just felt like they all, well, they just couldn't. They couldn't make it. They weren't quite good enough. And a lot of times they're better than the actual singer exactly they have and sometimes they have to put a governor on themselves to not out sing the star, the main person.

00:44:25
Speaker 2: I think one of Elvis's background singers, she wrote a book about how they had an affair. I would imagine that's happening all the time. But it's funny. You watch like Elvis Live in Hawaiian. Oh, they were definitely like they're eye contact. Go on, Elvis, all right, what do you got three? Get back the Beatles. Disney Plus came out like a few years ago. I know, I know, not my jam too much. I know it's a lot.

00:44:48
Speaker 1: If they were going to put that in a solid hour ten, I'd have been all in it.

00:44:51
Speaker 2: But I think that's what was so cool. I agree if that was for you, I think it was really cool. What's crazy to me is I think Peter Jackson. Was it Peter Jackson that had that did that? And it's not like he did much of it. It was all just footage that they found that they had never released before, and it was the Lord of the Rings he got playing based with them back and because that's what he did, right, is yeah, yeah, Lord of the Rings. Yeah? I don't know, dude. I remember when I after I watched it, Brandon, do you remember this? I called? You? Did? I called Brandon? I don't know what Brandon was the dude that I called, But I'm like, dude, have you seen this documentary? It is unbelievable because it was like I'd never seen the Beatles create. I've always heard their music, I've always listened to the final product, but watching them create, and unfairly this was towards the end of This was the start of the end for them. You can kind of see like the disrespect they had for each other. Uh, some people getting there late to rehearsal late. Some people had been there, you know, Ringo had been there for two hours, like he can't doubt, so it wouldn't be late, so it wouldn't be fired. So I don't know. I just loved seeing them act, not not play for the camera and just be themselves for hours and hours and hours. It was really cool to see that. If you're a Beatles nerd, I'm sure it's amazing you out you and you see Yoko, You see Yoko show up, you see Paul bring Linda around, you see the girlfriends interact, and it's just a very weird dynamic where you can see like, oh my gosh, this is this is how it ended.

00:46:18
Speaker 1: I think the Beatles only made albums for like six or seven years they did.

00:46:21
Speaker 2: They weren't a band for very long, and they only toured for two years. Maybe they only toured so then they couldn't tour anymore because they were so big that all they did was just make records, so they would just to studio or and not play. That's what was so cool about the In this documentary, they play the roof of the record label that was their first That was their first performance in like years.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: I feel like your documentaries that you're listening are all elevated for music buffs or snobs.

00:46:50
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's gonna get worse. Really yeah, mine, mine, don't mine.

00:46:53
Speaker 1: I get show out of my wife, I feel, and she'd like Them's.

00:46:56
Speaker 2: Not your wife wouldn't like the Beatles one. I feel like any of those. But I think for me is like, I know I've done so much research on music, Like if I like the band, I would do my own research on them, right. But when I watched documentary and I learned something about maybe a band I didn't really know, Like that's what I really love.

00:47:13
Speaker 1: She watched some of the Jeff Buckley with me, Does she like it? And she said, you're watching a documentary on somebody I've never heard of. She goes, that's weird that I don't know who this person is. And then I said.

00:47:24
Speaker 2: There was going to play. She goes, oh, for American Idol.

00:47:28
Speaker 1: You're like, no, yeah, but yes, yeah, I have at number three Oasis Supersonic.

00:47:35
Speaker 2: Never seen it? You never watched the Oasis documentary?

00:47:38
Speaker 1: Is this recent No? Twenty sixteen? But it's all about them breaking up. It's about them playing the biggest shows in the history of.

00:47:43
Speaker 2: Music, Glassenburg, it's I need to watch that.

00:47:45
Speaker 1: Oh plus and just their absolute distaste for each other, hated each other.

00:47:54
Speaker 2: Is it weird to you that they get along now? No?

00:47:57
Speaker 1: I think money is that conduit to bring people back together, because I don't.

00:48:02
Speaker 2: Think they needed money.

00:48:04
Speaker 1: Need I don't know subjective relative. Do they need money like people that live right down the road from us? Probably not, But it was so much money. And they're starting to be nostalgia now, not just a great band, but a nostalgic band that people would like, people that have money now or older, so they would go and spend money to see them.

00:48:24
Speaker 2: Do you get to know a little bit about both of them when you watch the documentary? Yeah?

00:48:27
Speaker 1: But I have trouble tell them apart still just by looking at them. Yeah, they look like the same person. I mean, who do you like better?

00:48:33
Speaker 2: Like? Who would you be friends with? More?

00:48:36
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get them confused now. But there's one that wrote the songs. There's one that sang the song Noel wrote, Liam saying Liam saying so, which is wild because Liam could still go out and sing the songs and he was all the same, even though he didn't write them. For the most part, I don't know. I think I just probably would have not liked to have one of them. I think they're hilarious and I like to watch them on things, but me hanging out with them, I don't think I got.

00:48:59
Speaker 2: Along with that on them. I think Liam's funny. I think they're both hilarious. Yeah, yeah, I think they are funny. Yeah, but they're a lot. But you'd like that documentary, Okay, I want to watch that one.

00:49:07
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00:49:22
Speaker 2: All right, go on number two. Okay, I for sure you've never heard of this one. But it's called Anvil. Did you're so no? No, no, dude, this is so good and I'm telling you you need no better than me. It's called Anvil. The Story of Anvil. Have you heard this? Okay? So this is from two thousand and eight Anvil. Do you know, Brandon, Dude? It is awesome, It's so good. It's about a band in the eighties called Anvil. Anvil Anvil like Villa is Anvil? However you say it? Go ahead? Okay, So their name is Annville, and they are it's like nineteen eighty three and they're blowing up, like they open up for bon Jovi, They go on tour, open up for like all the eighties bands that you can think of massive, and then they just stop. They fall off, They fall off, they decide to not do it. No, no, they fall off like they're just not hitting anymore, like all these bands and the Scorpions everyone no hits. They all just blow up and they don't, but they're not giving up the dream. So it's basically this just cameras following them now that they're older, and they're older, they're like in their fifties and they're still trying to do it and they're like, man, we could still do it.

00:50:30
Speaker 1: Well they believe they can still believe they can do it. So it happens funny and sad.

00:50:34
Speaker 2: Yes, it's funny because you're like, oh, guys, just are they on the joke? No, no, no, no, no, they're dead serious. Really, they're dead serious, and uh they book a tour. I think it's like you know, modern day, which in the when you watch doc Ma, it'd be modern day, but I think it was probably like fifteen twenty years ago, they book a tour and they're like, we're gonna do it. We're gonna go on tour, and no one shows up. Who's heard of them? Right, So no one shows up to their tour, to their shows. But I would say that it's a cool story of like people following in their dreams and never giving up. Like, yes, it was sad because like they just it's still rock stars and they're still trying to do it but nothing's happening. But they really do believe that that's their identity and they're going to do that till the day they die. Anvil the Story of Annville number two I have jagged Alanis Moore sent came on twenty twenty one. Same I believe it's music box Bill Simmons. I'm a massive Alantas fan, and I think it was the first like long form thing I'd ever seen on her. In her story and how she blew up so young and the story of that radio station playing you ought to know and then the video hitting and her face was covered, but then all the she wasn't ready for fame Canadian.

00:51:50
Speaker 1: It's it's really good. I think again, that's one that I think you can be a casual yeah, and you would just really enjoy her story. Super likable, so different. She ended up being a massive pop star, but she never was a pop star, meaning she didn't choose that route. She was a very distinct artist that started off and she was alternative music because you want to know, it was a freaking rock so that's what it was played on, like K rock in LA. And she got so big that she then became a pop star and her music then got poppiler.

00:52:24
Speaker 2: Do they follow her today? Yeah, they talked to her now that's cool.

00:52:27
Speaker 1: And then I think it's part of the reason I wanted to go to her residence in Vegas. And I don't know if she's still doing it now. I would love to go to that one. Yeah, So I have jagged at number two. I think I think my five people just watching or listen to this would like I know, gear five, if they are already in music.

00:52:45
Speaker 2: I think if they watched Annville, they'd love it. Okay, And I know I know your last one was it yours? Don't spoil mine, but but I definitely I think I know it what is yours? And I forgot all about it? My final favorite? No, they were a documentary of all time, and again it's you probably don't know what this artist is.

00:53:01
Speaker 1: I shut up with that, just say what it is.

00:53:03
Speaker 2: The Devil and Daniel Johnston.

00:53:04
Speaker 1: You know, I know Daniel Johnson is from Austin, but I don't know his music.

00:53:07
Speaker 2: I just know the picture of the frog. The story of Daniel Johnson is unbelievable. It's it's really cool. So Daniel Johnston was uh for people that don't know, he was an artist in the early nineties or maybe eighty nine, ninety eighty nine or whatever, and no one knew who he was. He wasn't a good singer, but his writing was unbelievable, and a lot of artists at that time Kurt Cobain, including Kurt Cobain, discovered him and thought whatever he was writing was so so good that they started covering his songs. And he had really like no idea, It's like, that's cool, like they're covering to my music. But I think in the ninety two, I think or ninety three MT Music Awards, Kurt Cobain wore his T shirt of the album cover and that kind of got him a lot of I don't know, a lot of exposure.

00:53:59
Speaker 1: Ended up being that Meal in Austin too, right, Yes.

00:54:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the story really is of him getting a little success from that. But just he struggled a lot with a lot of mental issues. He was schizophrenic, he had bipolar and somewhere in the middle when like he blew up and started touring and playing music professionally. Gibby Hayes, I think from the Butthole surfers gave him acid and it just threw him in a whole different direction. He fell in love with drugs, so mixed in with some mental problems. Like he was just out there. Like there's a story of his dad flying him to one of his concerts or whatever, and in the middle of the flight he like grabs he turns the plane off and like messes with all the switches and says, don't worry dad, Casper the ghost will fly us home. And they almost crashed. And so the story of like just I guess the demons that he had in him versus what he was really like and how good his music was and everyone discovering how good his music was is like really what the documentary is about. And it's so good, dude, so so good. Buttle Surfers, Pepper.

00:55:11
Speaker 4: I don't mind the sun sometime I can't tell you. Oh my lips and snow in my gloves. Johnny has some bonding and Don Rabbi that's a jam.

00:55:24
Speaker 2: Butthole Surfers.

00:55:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I worked at an alternative station in college at the same time I ran it and we had to call him the bh surfers.

00:55:31
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because you can't say because you can't say buttle, you can't. Now, not really a big deal. What do you think My number one is? It's searching for sugar Man. It is. And again, dude, I should have put that on my list. I thought that's the one. You'd have it so good.

00:55:43
Speaker 1: The guy is a local artist in Michigan, like Detroit, like played, was trying to make it but didn't. And his music Rodriguez, Yeah, his music got bootlegged into Africa, South Africa and they started creating all these stories about him. He died, but what they were doing is they were exploiting his music and they were making a bunch of money off of it, saying he died he didn't know.

00:56:05
Speaker 2: It was like a burnt CD, the gout Taken.

00:56:06
Speaker 1: He was as big as Elvi US, he was huge, and in South Africa, all of South Africa thought he was dead.

00:56:11
Speaker 2: They celebrated, everybody knew his music because the storyline was that he had killed himself. Yeah, he was like the number one artist where and now in the US he's like just as homeless guy.

00:56:20
Speaker 1: Or like a guy really yeah, really struggling around on the edge. And then he finds out that he's so famous and he goes over and has a concert.

00:56:26
Speaker 2: So cool, really crazy, such a good story. Yeah, that's a you know. The other one I almost put in was is it called Me and Bobby McGhee. Oh, I watched that one. It was the Janis Chops. Yeah, well I forget what it's called. He was called Janis Gosh, I don't remember whatever it is. That one kind of hurt my heart a little bit.

00:56:43
Speaker 1: That would have made honorable mention because of how people were so mean to her, Yes, because how she looked and she's so good.

00:56:49
Speaker 2: And I had no idea that her and Jerry Garcia were a thing in San Francisco, like loved each other, they like lived together. Yeah, what is that one called?

00:56:56
Speaker 1: It is called Janis, But that's wait what.

00:56:59
Speaker 3: Janice little blue girl? It was the full title.

00:57:01
Speaker 1: Something I learned from that because obviously I know, Oh Lord, won't you buy Me? Mercedes Benz Da Da Da, And I know me and Bobby McGee, and I knew that she didn't write the song, but I didn't know that it came out after she died.

00:57:16
Speaker 2: I never know she had. She didn't to celebrate having hits. Yeah, I didn't know that either. You wrote it, Chris Christopherson, that's correct. And uh, I think Mercedes Benz ended up being a commercial right and she hated that or was it after the fact.

00:57:29
Speaker 1: I think it was after But I don't know. I just know Boby McGee her her biggest song that come out after she died.

00:57:35
Speaker 2: Dude, I've seen so many music documentaries. I would rather watch a music documentary over a movie that someone's like everyone in the world's talking about, Oh you need to watch this, And if I see a documentary I want to watch, I'd rather watch it.

00:57:46
Speaker 1: And then you say, people, you don't who this person is that I watched it.

00:57:48
Speaker 2: It's great, But that's the best part about the documentary, watching and learning who a person is. I don't know who, but you just act better than people. It's not true. Three times you said you don't know who this is? But did you who Anvil was?

00:58:00
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. You can just talk about you, but you can just talk about it, and I have to just who else you don't know who this is?

00:58:07
Speaker 2: That I only said that about Anvil because you know Bob Dylan and Tom Petty and the Beatles. Okay, uh what? Oh? I watched Selena? Have you watched that one? That's brand new on Netflix? A series? No, it's so a documentary. That one's really good. Again.

00:58:23
Speaker 1: I was never drawn to Selena because in Arkansas, because you're not Mexican. Was it wasn't a big Selena state.

00:58:29
Speaker 2: I know this song I could fall in love however that goes.

00:58:35
Speaker 1: I knew that from the radio a little bit, but I didn't live in Texas or Mexico or California all that all that documentary.

00:58:45
Speaker 2: So I didn't really know where.

00:58:46
Speaker 1: I knew more about her story after she was killed, because that became a bigger news story than that's than that song was a hit.

00:58:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, and her dad just died recently, really like this week, everyone's not wrong here. It wasn't American though, yeah, oh yeah, she's American and so the part you'll see in the documentary if you if you watch the documentary, she's not She didn't know Spanish, that's right. And so they would try to go like play shows in Mexico and she would they would do interviews in Spanish, and she was struggling. So they're like, you need to start like learning Spanish. So she did, and ud everything was on her. It was it was a family band, but everything was on Selina, like all the interviews were Selina, Selina, Selina, and she had to learn Spanish. She had to be the face of the band. And she didn't have a childhood. Like they started singing. They were a family band since they were like little little kids, and they never had a childhood, so she didn't have friends. She married, you know, her guitarists because that's all she knew. Didn't you have a song shakey bombond no beatty beaty bombon Ricky Martin, Chicky Bombine, chakey bomb bomb, shaky bombbon I could see where you Beaty bombomb very similar similar enough?

00:59:53
Speaker 1: Does Bettie mean shake it by any chance?

00:59:56
Speaker 2: Beatty Beatty's what I mean? I think it's just a sound, right, Mike. So it's not shady beat bum boom. Yeah, that's a good one. It's a jam. I like that one. And then dream that's a good one of you. Tom. I'll be holding you, Ty, And there's nowhere in the world i'd rather the best.

01:00:20
Speaker 4: This is you, Okay, deep in your arm, lying here and me.

01:00:29
Speaker 2: Dreaming of you. Right, I don't know. Yeah, it did so good.

01:00:33
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for reminding me that I am not.

01:00:39
Speaker 2: Stop stop you know, all of these bands except Annvil, Thank you guys. I think we're done. Yeah, I think we're done.

01:00:48
Speaker 1: You know what music documentary I didn't like that much that I really had high hopes for was the Beastie Boys one, Mike. You know why because I love beast Boys. Because they were doing that in the theater.

01:00:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't like that. Part of it was that the one where they gave everyone a camera. Do you ever see that one? Yes, it's like, man, I shot.

01:01:03
Speaker 1: That they gave everybody a camera at a live show. Yeah, and they had a all record and they edited, they edited it all together.

01:01:08
Speaker 2: They just put all the fudge together and they edit it together. It's not that this is oh, it's a different documentary.

01:01:13
Speaker 1: This came out on Apple. I was super pumped.

01:01:14
Speaker 2: I love beast Boys.

01:01:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just too much live stage really, Yeah, but it was interesting because you know there was a girl in the band originally kicked her out the Beastie Boys.

01:01:24
Speaker 2: Huh really well I didn't know that. And what was her name? Beastie. That's it, okay, Beastie girl. You know which other one's good that we didn't talk about? Wash The one was the one where Elvis goes to the White House. I'd see that one. Oh, yes, you did. Remember he's trying to get He's trying to get like a DA badge. That's all he wants. He wants to get a DA badge and he wants to be like a what do you call it, like when you're you're not really an agent, but you're honorary agent. They're like, so he goes. I mean they like decline his entry to the White House, like over and over. He's like, no, I want to be the president. I won't get my badge. And I think the president was Nixon. Yeah, you still see that one.

01:02:06
Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw it, but I know I've seen the picture of him. Like, yeah, they were finally like all right, let him in. The primary girl in the Beastie Boys was Kate Shellenbach, the original drummer from eighty one to eighty four, who was instrumental in their early punk sound, but was asked to leave as they transitioned to hip hop, a decision the band later regretted, with Shellenbock going on to co form Luscius Jackson. Another significant woman is Kathleen Hannah, vocalist for Bikini Kill and who became Adrock's wife. But it was Kate Shellenbach.

01:02:33
Speaker 2: Were they still the Beastie Boys when she was part of the band or did they kick her out?

01:02:38
Speaker 1: And then, like, I don't know, I've seen a long time. I did have a Beasty Boys book there though.

01:02:42
Speaker 2: I saw that. Yeah, Spike Jones, Yeah that's it. Thank you everybody.

01:02:49
Speaker 1: And if you're watching on Netflix, I don't know how because this isn't up there yet. But I don't really know yet when we're starting on Netflix. This podcast will be on Netflix starting in January, suppose probably mid to late January, but we don't know yet when it's starting.

01:03:03
Speaker 2: So we should have just picked all Netflix documentaries. Well, this isn't on Netflix, though, you can plan it that way. You're trying to get your big shot on Netflix. Yeah, dude. Hey Mom, we're not going yet though. You have to go on YouTube. Mom, I know you're watching Netflix right now. All right.

01:03:18
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody, and we will see you guys next time.

01:03:21
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