Neil Lane Talks ‘Bachelor’ Rings and Bling

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Speaker 1: Showtime. You heard it there first, It's showtime. Everybody. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour, another wonderful episode. We have so much in store for you today. I'll start out with my lovely co host once again. I've got Becca couper In joining me in the Bachelor Happy Hour studio today. Becca, how are you? I'm great. I feel like I can't even talk right now because I'm smiling so hard because our wonderful guest today is just on point, keeping me, keeping me laughing. Yeah, well, go ahead, tell him who our wonderful guest is that has a smile on our face already. Well, let me tell you this is actually my first time ever meeting him. And I think I'm fangirling a little bit, but we have I'm fan girling over you. We have that so beautiful. Can anyone tell by his voice who this is? Jack? Jack the Ripper? We have the man, the mid the legend, mister Neilane. I feel like we have We need a full audience, Applaus for this one. Thank you, This is this is gonna be great. If you haven't, if you haven't learned already, now I know you've seen him standing there with the rings meeting the men. But what you don't really get to know is the bachelorettes never really get to meet Nil Lane, and neither do you, guys. So you're going to meet him today. You're gonna learn all about the beautiful rings that you see gracing our hands, but also learn about the man who makes these rings beautiful personality. Yes, we're excited to learn more about you and your story and how you became one of the most celebrated and respected jewelers, I might add in the world, Nil Lane, You guys, Nil Lane, Neil Lane. I don't know what to say. I'm on my drug of a choice, which is Clarkin and FLOE's, so I'm giggling. I haven't seen Becker, I think probably ever. I'm looking at an amazing, beautiful ring. I'm he's blinded by the by the sparkles. You know you're not gonna be favorite, Rachel. I was in the bathroom. The reason I took a long time, had a cold court anybody. It's just like they asked some questions, who's my favorite? Who's the people that got married? They have two babies? Now who they Becca? Isn't it she said, No, it's it's it's a Arius. No, No, it's not the iris. It's it's it's yeah, it's it's Garrett. So like when you, I don't have babies, So I don't know where that came from. That with you, Lauren thinks that look at your talking points. So so thank you, thank you for having me than is this supposed to be funny? Yes, you are giving you just see yourself. It's great. You're giving us all the Friday feels right now. No, beautiful, she is about haven't seen you? She stunt making me blush. Neil, No, you're really really stunning, you know. I Oh, I don't know what voice to use. The voice, I don't know what's coming out. I'm breathing. It's like not easy to breathe. We'll start out asking you pointed questions first. I think what a lot of people want to know, a lot of people want to know how did you get involved with the show? Because from from from since we've been watching it, we've only seen you. So how did you get involved and start this relationship off with the Bachelor franchise? We know everything's a saga with me, like the Bible, it's like five books of Moses, five books of Neil five books of uh, you know whatever her name is. How many books of Neil Lane are there? Okay, gazillions, gazillions. And let's start with chapter one, Chapter one, Chapter one. So here I am in Hollywood. I'm doing my thing, doing rings and blings, and I get this call from um um as already for rings and how did they get start on this show? So it's really interesting because I didn't I didn't want to do this show. Because why didn't I because I didn't know what this show was. I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I didn't know what they wanted. I didn't know why I would do this. I just didn't know. And so they called a few times and say, hey, you want to be involved in this show called the Bachelor, and what the way to go? Travel? Ring, blame and thing, and oh, oh well, I don't know. Yeah, I appreciate it, but no, and I don't like the third time is a charm? And so they called and uh and this you know, um bump um, And one of my assistants said, the Michael of Sally said, you know, that's a really popular show. You you would have fun. So I said, okay, let's do it. You were just playing hard to get, weren't you what you were playing? No, I wasn't playing hard to do it because hard to get because I didn't know what I was what they wanted, or what I was giving or what I was getting. I had no idea, and so in fact I had no idea. Is that they said, well, we'd like you to just the first time, I think ten twelve years ago, I'm not sure, maybe ten eleven, and they said, okay, we'd like you to go to New Zealand, New Zealand. I said, oh no, no, no, I'm opening up a store. I'm going to be jet legged. I can't. I can't go to New Zealand. You know, the real primadon I know. And it wasn't that I was. I didn't know. Zealand's like a zillion miles away. If flying, i'd me and I'm when they wanted me to come back was the day I was having my store opening and I said, no, I can't, I'll be I'll be all jet legged. Oh no, I can't go to And a friend of mine, Paul, heard me saying that, and his girlfriend Emily, always wanted to go to New Zealand, and she said, can we go instead? Well, there I would call up the phone. Can someone else go instead of me? They said yeah, but they won't have first place tickets, but two coach tickets. They said, great, okay, what do I do? Well? I gave him a ring. I gave him a little ring. One. Yes, at that time, it was just one. Okay. So this career, this Neil Lane, this eveloped. It wasn't like that, you know, in the beginning. It was like I wasn't that suave, you know, or sophisticated. Um, and I didn't know who it was going to be. But anyway, they went to New Zealand. I was opening my store. I had an opening and it was kind of glamorous and it was all nerve wracking, and Emily and Paul came back and I remember saying to Emily what happened? And she said, well, I got a little black dress. I put the ring on a on a black pad. They had black curtains and they opened up these drapes and I walked out and I presented the ring and I left. I said, oh, that would all happened. Yeah, that's all she had to do for a free trip to New Zealand. Well, well day right, what do you remember what season that was or who it was? Jason Meisnik was, Well, that's a hell of a season to start off with. Do you remember what happened in that one? Um? You know? Um? Because I well, you know, I just look unreally go back. The reason I didn't do it at first is I don't watch TV. I don't watch TV. I'm like, okay, you're going to get the first to know who I am today because I don't really show it or share it. I work a lot, not just in jewels, in my artwork, in my studio. I'm just I mean a little creative guy, since a little guy, and I don't know how to stop. And sometimes I do watch Wheel of Fortune, and I watch Jeopardy or Jeopardy first, and it's mostly in the summer. Coach is kind of fun to come home and eat something, open the doors and when there wasn't, put my feet up on a whatever, they'll put them up bond. I'm joining next summer and uh so I do watch Well I didn't. Then, Oh I'm sorry, I'm rambling. You know, I'm a rambler. The Clareton and then flown as they don't worry. I don't know if I don't know if I can share that. But the girls are Oh yeah, it's a happy hour. I didn't know it was happier. Yeah. Anyway, I ramble a lot. You can cut and slice and dice like I do, because my five hours of filming with the guys goes out to white one second. So I'm used to that. Ya, but I do work my weight. But you're with the guys for five hours. Well, I'm also from Brooklyn, so I exaggerate. Okay, but it's hours. You know, it's it's hours. They're stopping and going. There's emotions that you want to get from the guy. I mean, I remember Brian, you know, and we were in Spain together. Oh my god, I have to keep on pulling and pulling and no, he was really great. Now, he was enthusiastic, he was very I remember, you know, meetum in the room and it was he was He had a white shirt on as well. It was like we're white, but everyone everything were short shorts and white. You know, they make me, well, they don't make me. This is who I am with the suit. Oh my god, I'm rambling. Well, well, I want it Okay, so you talked a little bit about Brian. I this is my first time meeting you, but you met Garrett, and Garrett raves about you. He I think that was the most exciting point when we were in the Maldives was him meeting you. I think he invited you out to his tomato farm he did in California, to go. If he's still waiting for you to call, you know the queerest thing. I don't want to use an excuse. I don't know how to use my phone. I don't have context. I would. I would text him every day if I knew him his number. I lose it. I'm struggling in the bathroom. Someone just text me from the Alabama Museum or something. I'm loaning. We'll kneel. I'm gonna get your number after this and I will call you. You call me. It's so much better. And once you're on my chain, like the food chain, I know who you are. We're gonna get you on into the tomato field. I'd give anything to see you instead of picking rings, you're picking tomatoes. I would give anything out to see you out there and your hat and your sack and out there picking it. I had tomatoes for breakfast. You from Garrett Stands Farm were yellow ones. So the first time you were with this show, you didn't come to the proposal, but we have thereafter seen you at numerous proposals. What has been your favorite place to go to? Well? Can I just can I say that? Baby? Yeah? I had no idea of the show, and so it aired in Hollywood time and real time which is fake time, and you know all the other time that we put together. So I think it was like three months later or two months later. I didn't realize the show was airing, and it it aired, and it was incredible. It was incredible, the exposure. How many people called, emailed wanting to rain stories, you know, and well overwhelmed, totally overwhelmed, like wow, what's this all about? So I said him, hmm, you can do this again. You're gonna go. So the next time I went, I went to Hawaii, but again I wasn't fully immersed in the energetic system what the batchel was about. So I flew there on one night, someone met me. I walked on the beach. I got in the morning and did my thing and left. I didn't really stay. I'm sorry. The question was yea, what's been your favorite place because we've seen you at a number of proposals, favorite location that you've been to, because you, oh, you've been all over. You're not gonna believe this. You're gonna think that I'm taking you and you Becca, Rachel. That's why I sound we're gonna count. He's gonna forget your names bands that you got nervous. I know, you know who I am about. This is hilarious. I think this is hilarious. The next time you asked me, I'm staying a different name. Though, the next time you forgetting her name, she's getting another band. Okay, I already know the one I want to It's like, you know, the one that in your family, like you say everything to them and but you know, so they're stranger, you know. But so my favorite place. What I was gonna say, Rachel and Becca, and it's not. It's still truth. The two locations that I did your proposals were my favorite location. Oh hell yeah, High five I wanted. The Maldives was my dream location. So the fact that you went there after amazing. See I obviously we have no idea where we're going, so it was a complete surprise. I thought I was going to freak out because you're stuck on this little island, but it's very romantic. It was, I think, the perfect place. How long did you say there? Seventeen years? Because because they knew I'd be jet lagged nine hours or forty nine days in the desert or something like that. I landed with Moses. I don't know how many fights. Part I was definitely in the Middle East. We flew to I don't know, Dubai, and I slept in the airport and they got a nine o'clock flight and flew someplace else and lay over thirty seven thousand years. It's like five to and then I took a boat. But do you travel by yourself? Because I'm concerned so so this is the funniest part about everything. People yourself. Yes, I could bring an assistant, but it's very funny. I need so much time alone to figure it all out, to get my act together. I don't want to have to worry about if Courtney on Michael or South did you go to the bathroom? Did you eat? Are you? Are you good? Because I don't want to worry about them. I don't want to worry about me. And we traveled. Is that a bad thing to say when you traveled out? When you travel are you bringing the rings by yourself? Or are thereby? I can't say, I can't do. You gotta watch the show to people are going to be people are not going to be scouting for him in the airport to be like, where where's the goods? You got insurance though? Yeah, but you know that the rings get there? Okay, okay, I just what they care about is how I get there. They know the rings are gonna get Yeah, you've been to call me now? And then how you doing? Friends? You know that I'm Rachel. Remember Rachel? Remember Spain? Remember Brian tall, good looking, thin guy, remember him, white teeth, remember him? You know me? You remember you got two rings? Things? Bling guys, Rachel? I remember Rachel. But anyway, Spain was my favorite. You know why because I'm going to reveal today. No one knows that I'm a serious artist. So I've been painting and drawing my whole life. And actually I did my first exhibition in thirty years this weekend at a gallery, Sarah Gavlak Gallery downtown LA in a group show up. So when I went there, I went to see the you say, I can't remember, the museum, the Google High Musine at Bill Boo, and so to be able to combine working and seeing this all amazing arms was fantastic. Now, Becca, that's your name. One doesn't really know how much I love the Mystery of bats. The Mystery of bats. I know it's kind of scary, but they had the most giant, beautiful bats in the world. That sounds like an oxymoron. They were slapping and when I was on my bicycle, I could see them like, oh my god, they're that. They're like giant, like I think there's face right now. They were three or four one hundred feet wide. So it was you saw Batman, I saw Batman, and I filmed them and I have on my video to film it. And it was one of the most relaxing trips, fabulous because people were amazing. It was remote. I had my own little room. I jumped in the water naked on. The sharks were coming. Look not for you, babe, Oh my god, is this supposed to be revealing? We're getting me exclusive today. No one is going to look at you the day when you come out there give them your bachelor voice. Uh hey, Brian nice to meet you. Are you ready? It's a big day, isn't it. Yep? I've got six rings here for you. We're going to decide. I'll help you along the way. We're gonna do it. Nobody's gonna look at you anywhere. They're gonna hear this back. And these are two totally different people. With the holiday seasons coming up, you're probably thinking, Man, I need to go to the grocery store and pick out all the ingredients I need to make that great holiday mill. Or you can be like me and order it on an app. Because if you're like me and you can't stand and go to the grocery store just to take that time wandering from aisle to aisle, you just want to be efficient, you gotta use door Dash. 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That's five dollars off your first order. When you download the door Dash app from the app Store and inner promo code Bachelor one more time because I don't want you guys to forget it. That's promo code Bachelor for five dollars off your first order from door Dash. You're such a key piece in this whole all these at your love stories, right because when we walk away, we walk away with a piece of Nil Lane jewelry. So you're a part of our love story, whether it's an engagement and it moves on to marriage, you're there. So what's your favorite part of these love stories? So that's sweet of you to say, because in the beginning I didn't feel that I didn't understand it. You know, here I was a guy alone going and meeting people that didn't really know. I didn't really know the energy of the show. I didn't understand real fake you know, people say, oh, you do that show that you know, like, oh, they don't really love each other. You know. I didn't understand what I was doing. And so in the beginning I just went and I didn't really intermingle so much, said in my room, not because it was anti social. I just I didn't know how to interact with the crew because everyone was very chummy. And then I started to really relax and meet the people and I felt a lot of love. I felt part of it. When I saw the producers, the men and the women, producers cheering that people, that they took care of the women, A guy with a guy with a guy girl. You know, they care of it. They really felt about Wow. I was impressed. And then how a lot of crewe people got together, they had their romance. It was a family, a real family, and I don't think the world knew that, or I didn't know it. And when I got part of it. I felt part of a family and I loved it, and I began to really care about the people, like like family, Like wow, I'm part of someone's happiness and that became important to me. Yeah. Well, I will say beautiful, it was beautiful. That was beautiful. Tears over here. I will say. When people think of The Bachelor, of course Chris Harrison comes to mind, but also I think now it's also Neil Lane, Like you are just such a face and a man in a presence of the show, and I don't think that will ever go away. So I want to say thank you because you not only made me the most beautiful engagement ring that I could have I've ever expected or imagined, but just thank you for being with us and helping all of us find our perfect reign with the perfect person. It really means a lot, it does. I thank you, Becca, I thank you Rachel. Great deal to my life. I mean I have a very very full, rich life in terms of creativity and people in my lives. I do. I mean I just do. And I'm fortunate and blessed that way. But seeing the warm welcome that you're giving me, Rachel, and hugs and you you Becca really makes me feel that I don't fully understand or understand my my my my my role, you know what I mean. I sometimes I feel a little left out, you know what I mean, because I don't know myself. I don't know to be immersed in this beautiful energy and I want to be, but I'm so sometimes so private. So you're getting to know me, but I get nervous on the set. I do put the Neil Lane, you know, like Showtime, you know, and ABC. I think likes that. They like the suit, they like the briefcase. They like I like this side. I like getting to know you, the real, the real Neil Lane. Thank you. Yeah, I mean truly, Please, don't ever feel left out because you are such you are. I mean, Becca said it best. There's Chris Harrison and there's you. You don't understand it. It's almost like what you are what makes it official? Totally one thousand percent. Yeah, if there wasn't a Neil Lane aspect to the show, I don't think it would be the same Bachelor that I grew up watching. That's very sweet of view that again, I embrace it. I feel part of this Bachelor nation, which I didn't even know the word a year ago. Yeah, you know, I you know that someone sent me a giffee. They have me and a giffee on a bus with all the bat I have no clue. They said to me last night, what did you get that? I don't even manage. No, you you're on a giffie. I'm telling you. I want to look this up. Now you see what I can find. No, it was funny, Oh right, yeah, yeah, I just it was so funny to see it, and I was thinking, what did they thought? Like, you know, I don't know how did they do that? How did he manipulate that? We look at you have five people in the crowd, but oh did you which side which Neil lane? Did they get to say? Oh? The between one between you, the one not on Clary? That right there. Let you know how much you're a part of the Bachelor experience. So you were a part of the fifteen year reunion special where a group of fans got to experience not just the bachelorettes, but also got to be a part of the mansion, meet Chris Harrison and you, because that is how the whole package. Yeah, can I ask you a personal question, not a personal question, but how do I get more involved in a dialogue? I get more screen time. I don't say you know what you should do because I love you. Harrison's job, no job, serious question? How do I get more TV time? No, it's not how do I How do I engage with people? I don't know how to do that. I will say, I'm okay. So when I got engaged with Garrett and I think Neil Lane, your Instagram page had posted a picture of my ring, and I just went through and scrolled through the comments is who people were saying, and same with some of the other ones. And I think a lot of guys for the most part, oh, I don't want to say only but watch the show because their girlfriends or in their future fiances watched the show and now I think it's like their go to of like, oh I can get my girl from this ring. And so I'm reading the comments not only from girls but from eyes too, like oh, it looks like I gotta like up my game and get a Neil Lane. And so I think I would love to have you be a part of the dialogue a little bit more. No, And I was like, I'm sort of stepping out without the suit, like I'm stating my own Instagram, not the brand instagram called Nielanka Tour. And I'm thinking maybe that is maybe that's not even the right thing. Maybe to be a Nei Lane artist, I'm you know, I don't know. I'm like, I'm opening up. I want all my worlds I want to come together. Well, let's talk about that, because there is so much more that you do. I mean, we you are known for nil Lane Jewelry, which we do follow on Instagram, but there's you said it earlier as we were talking. You're an artist first, so you have so many different things going on. So like, let the people know what else. I don't know how to do it. I mean, maybe even want to help me. But then they put the thing in front of me and said, you know, you have to tell them that you know what you how you design this ring. You have to tell them like you know back in his ring, Oh you're ring. I mean it was handmade. I designed it. I sat in the workshop. I see the metal work being done, I see the diamonds, and and sometimes it's horrible. It doesn't come out the same way and I have to scrap it, and then I have to leave. In three three days and as to be photograph. I angst about these rings. This is my personal personal energetic system in these rings. I anst about them. I think, what does it mean for you to have a three stone ring? You know? I knew that you loved Ovals. You know. Sometimes I talk to the public and I said, well, do you meet the girls before? And I said, I don't, but sometimes I have their energies. Sometimes they came to the store because they did a date night, so I get a glimpse of a girl. I think I met you once before. I'm not sure, maybe not. I'm talking to rachel Or at a party, or I try to get as much as I can from the producers about you, about you, you know, to understand so that when I'm sitting with the guys, I feel prepared that I can talk about you. And I knew you liked oh Wool and what happened with with with if I can talk about Ari and now because it all worked out well, you're you know, and it was so painful, but I wanted to still give you the oval because you loved Ovals well. And I think you bring up a good point, and I will say so being a contestant on The Bachelor, we don't really have a say in in the ring where we're going to get. Of course, like during the lone time, you can kind of make hints at what you would potentially want if you were to be the one at the end. But when Rachel and I were Batchelrets, we have much more say. So at least when I was the lead, I was like, okay, I love his rings. Of course they're all gorgeous, but I do like oval. I also one thing that I really wanted because I wear my mom's wedding band and it's gold, and you know it's it's thirty plus years old, and so I wanted something to match that. So that was my one request on the show is if he's going to create my dream ring, could it be gold? And so we actually have more of a say. And of course I had no idea what it looked like until Garrett opened up the box, so it could have gone any which way. I had no idea, and I will say when I opened or when I didn't physically open it, but when Garrett got down on Winnee and opened it, I was blown away. And so you do take the time, and you did listen to what I was requesting. And but it's like your baby, it is your pride to jo thing that I want to I don't want to do what I want to do. I'm gonna do because I have to design it. So that's part of what I do. I really want to make you happy, and and and and the guy. I sort of lose myself there. It's not about me anymore. I get a lot of credit after, which is amazing, But for that particular moment, it's really about is she gonna love the ring? Is he gonna love the ring? Is he gonna love the ring enough to propose with it? It's a very romantic synergy. When Brian got the pear shape, I mean he was he just couldn't take his eyes off it, the pear shape. And I think what I experienced, which you you may not. I'm experienced with these two guys envisioning their love for you, getting on their knees, taking this ring, which is magical to them. This is your their princess, and they're choosing this, this ring, which represents this physical little thing, this jewel thing, is representing all their love and their heart. And I'm experiencing that and that's amazing for me. That's amazing for me. It's it's like I said, I think they only show three minutes five minutes, but no, but that's fine. But the process of with Garrett, he was really full of life. I will talk about oh I know, no, but he was really full of life. He's he was so genuine, so genuine, and there was just a sparkle that I can see him grinning the way he grins down like a country guy, his whole face. He's the sweetest dude. He's just a sweet sweet man. And I can see the love in his heart. And I wanted to make sure that he got the ring, so I wanted you to like the ring. And it was like wow. And Brian, he was very cool, very cool, you know it was it was it was the room was dark because we did inside a room and it's not a dark so with with Garrett, it was out in the sun. Brian's energy was very special. He had a lot of love there and and he I think he was envisioning, you know, proposing with this ring. And you may have said something about a pear shape, so I was dead, okay, you may have. So I have all the energetic systems. I feel it. I can feel it because you know, when I showed the ring, they don't really know what a pear shape is. That's the para schape, you know, you could think the oval could be a pair. So it's a magical moment. Uh, it's divine. It's in a magical moment for me, I think for the gents um and then your moment when when they proposed is magical things. Now, your mom had a pear shape ring, right well, I remember Brian telling me afterwards the story that you had shared with him about your mom having that same ring. So when I grew up in the sixties, not eighteen sixties, I remember my mom, you know, she was cooking and making the chop meat or chicken soup, and I could just see that ring and it was a pear shape and interesting enough, which I never really shared before. It wasn't a full pair of shape. My dad couldn't afford a full pear of shape, so it was a round diamond, which was a round diamond and a smaller diamond below it, and the shape of the bezel was a pair. So I wanted to do a pear shape and homage to my mom and my dad, and when I started designing for K Jewelers, I wanted to share that with the world. Now I had a bigger platform to take all this aesthetic that I had, all the Hollywood glamor and glitter, and you know, it's not have to say it, but you know, I've designed rings for some of the most amazing, sweetest, kindest glamorous people. Movies does people, and it's you gotta understand. I'm from Brooklyn, and not that I'm lower anything like that, but I worked my way up. I was picking garbage when I was twelve or fifteen years old to make some money because my household wouldn't have that much money. And money was always an issue. And I understood antiques a little bit because my father collected some. I say, don't touch that. That was like a couple hundred bucks, and so it gave me an idea that something could have a value. And in my neighborhood in the seventies, people were dying. They've been there like fifty years, and they've chucked everything out in the street, and I'd find it. I didn't mean to diverge, and I'd start selling it to make a living. And so as soon as I made a first fifty bucks, I was free. Point. I was saying that I worked myself up until I had some money. I went to Paris. I know it's one of the part of the script, but I should talk about that. But I was studying art my whole life, and so when I started collecting these things, I probably couldn't drive it. I was sixteen, so I had a driver's permit. I used to take my dog around the neighborhood. She was exhausted. I'd walked all over and then I go back at night with a flash id to collect what I saw. And that was in the winter, but I'd have to put in the garage. And then when the springtime came in New York, I would do the flea markets and I started selling these things. I had no idea what I was selling. I was singing a dance and I was saying twenty bucks, fifty bucks. And when I saved enough money, I went to Paris because I dreamt of it, because I studied art my whole life, Western art, not like Asian arts. So I didn't I didn't go to Japan. I wanted to go see the Mona Lisa, and so my life changed, I broadened my whole scope at the point I was making the last forty years, thirty forty years, I've been filled with amazing things. I've been to castles, to queens and queens and did I was invited to royal households. I did royal weddings, Middle Eastern weddings. I saw every museum and every art that I could from from from the Louver to up in Haworth, in in England, Scotland, everywhere, and I came back with this knowledge. I was living in Brooklyn, and then when and I was doing my artwork, so I exhibited. I was the youngest printmaker in a Brooklyn museum. Um. And then when I came to Hollywood, I met these amazing young movie stars. They weren't yet famous, and I was friendly with them like friends, and then started designing jewelry. And then when they became famous, where Angelo Jolie came in and got a Brad Pitt band. I mean, who are waiting? Yeah, but you have to understand when you say who are we? You are? Who you are? You are? Wei wei? You are those? No, but you are Because I've dealt with so I've so many amazing experiences working with Ellen or a ring with Porsche. I wanted to share that I had a lot of stuff to give, and I couldn't just give it from my little store. First. I wasn't. I didn't have that store that you. I had a little counter when I first came together, and I had a little jewelry count ten feet Why so I wasn't who I am today then. But all this energy and all this knowledge, I wanted to share it, and so I was able to. When I did the collection for k it was more mass level. I could in hand make it, but it's my aesthetic and I wanted to share. I mean, how many people like Rachel of Better, how many people get to be in your position now? But really it's it's got to be now, but it's got to be a dream that you've risen, and people look at you and follow you and emulate you and think about you when you bring good energy and you're trying to I see the things that you do and I hear you. I know what's happening, and you're doing positive things. And here I have all this amazing stuff to share, and I had this opportunity to share with America, not just a little not just you know, the people in Devilly Hills or Hollywood. I had the whole America and then more to the world and a wow, and I would say this whole thing. I want to cry now to be with you. It's just a journey which is breaking amazing. Yeah, I mean I feel blessed. And I know people use the word blessings all the time, and it's a good word, but it's like you have to be careful with that word. You have to understand what it meant, and you have to really believe it. And I do believe it. I'm sitting here, You're you're interviewing me like I'm important, and what's important is the sharing of this love. That's what's really important, and you're giving me the opportunity. I'm like, right, I can't even speak. Yeah, I mean I feel like we need to see your break for a second, because I first of all, give this man more dialogue, like he said in the beginning, because what you were saying so but isn't it? But but Becca like you feel it, and I hope you guys that are listening right now can feel everything that Nil is saying because it's so special and it goes so much deeper than just the piece of jewelry that you guys see on camera. I mean you can hear it as voice. I'm watching you, so I see it, but I can just hear it the passion and the love that you have for what you do, not only for what you do, but to share, like you said, to share it with others. That's something truly special. That takes a very special person, very hard to share your love. How so how did you get into this? You describe you being an artist, and I want to get more into that, but we see you as a jeweler, So how did you find your passion for jewelry? So? I was always an artist as a little boy, very creative. I remember my mom. We had a little house in Brooklyn, just a little house in Marine Park, just a little house, and we had a basement. It wasn't finished. We had a We actually had a and those days they had an oil tank I think it was no it was coal. It was coal and had a coal shooting the side of that. I was a built right in nineteen twenties, and the coal man would come and put coal down a shoot and that would be the heating. And it has been in the basement, so it wasn't finished. So it was a little local lady that used to come and she used to teach me and my sister aunts and crafts like plaster of Paris, putting it in a dish and then sticking like maybe she brought costume Julie with her little things, little things, and those little things started to sparkle. So my mom tells me when I was a little kid, like six or seven. I've said this before, she would walk me as you walk a little kid, you know, in the park. We had a park not too far away. And when I came back from these walks, she'd have to empty out my pockets. They would fill all this colored glass. And I don't remember that, but she didn't. And I think at the early age I was interested in sparkle. I didn't understand it, but it's just sparkle. And I was drawing and painting, and that was six years old. But then in high school I started painting and drawing that it are students league in Paris, and but I found antique jewelry. There was something I was in a small shop on Paris, not the fancy place where well the big shops are like at a Plasta Undome, but the side streets, smaller little streets that a little antique jewlry shops, little vignette sores that weren't as big as big as this room, little tiny room, but elegant. And they had jewels in the window, and I'd stick my face in the window, and I'd never seen stuff like that, and I was just wow enthralled. It was amazing. And then I couldn't afford anything. I mean, I had, like, you know, four thousand dollars to last me a month. You know, I was staying in a garrett for thirty garrett thirty bucks, twenty bucks a night. You know, seven floors up. You hit your head in the dormer windows because a short window, it's attic. You know. I don't have times I hit my head. But I was in heaven heroes in Paris, learning and soaking up these things. I'm getting off track. So I started buying antique jewelry and looking at him, and I learned about and learned about it. I loved it as well, I really loved it. So I was combining my aunt, my antiquing, and my flea marketing. And then I didn't know my aunt wasn't. I was so passionate about all the other stuff that I moved to LA to open up a little stand, a little stand in a little antique center. And I had no idea where LA was really. I'd only been there like once, like maybe two months before that, and happy to get out of it. I said, all the tourist stuff, you know, Beverly Hills, all the movie start like. I took the bus things, just like everyone else. Come to Beverly Hills. I took that bus tour, you know, Star's house. I went to Palm Springs, I went to Vague. I did everything that people do as a tourist. And I said, okay, I had enough. I don't need to come back. And and just a few months later or someone that knew me said, you know, they're building an antique center in Los Angeles. You would do well. And I didn't know what to do. So I flew out, flew out. At the time, I smoked cigarettes, and I smoked about fifty thousand pass walking around the street. What should I do? What should do? Should I move? Should what should I do? I don't know what should I do? What should I do? And there was building was being built on Beverly Boulevard and Robinson Boulevard. I don't know where it was. It was gonna be an antique center. I called my mother, I'm moving to la Oh no, don't go, so don't go. I'm going, mom, And then two months I was. I had a steam of trunk, a little bag of jewelry and opened up a place called Antiquarius in the eighties and Antiquarius Antiquarius perfect for you. It was called Antiquarius. Yeah, do you remember the first piece of jewelry that you ever made? I did. I think I did it from a movie star. I think I did a big deal. Well there were movie stars yet, because I had this aesthetic about old and I've been looking at every museum and all the jewlier collection. Books. Books were my best teacher because even as a kid there were thirty five bucks and people, oh, thirty five dollars for a book, but to me that was like everything. I learned them and soaked everything up. So people. So, yeah, there was this young movie star I don't want to say the name. For some reason, amel Or, a female was kind of both. They were both because the girl came and she had an ancestral diamond from her grandma. She had a you know, like from her grandma. But I think the guy came first. I don't know. It's a very famous couple, but but they're not together anymore. Oh. But anyway, they didn't have that much money. They were very famous. They were young, buddy. So they had this ancestral diamond and they saw my stuff and they said, you have some beautiful I mean, and the ring the diamond was set in. The ring was really wasn't attractive because grandma's ring or great grandma's would have been a nineteen twenties ring and platinum, beautiful little diamonds. Because the diamond they had was really pretty. It was a special like cushion cut diamond, very special, very pretty, and but it was I guess it was past the lost the setting. The grandmother, I don't know inherited the mother or the mother, and she had put it into a big gold setting, but a giant one, like so big high where you can like pick your nose, you know, one of those rings where people used in the seventies put it up so high. Just look at my diamond, you know. Um, So they said, could you change it? Could you make a beautiful ring out of it, and I did, and that was one of the first. But it was very crude because I didn't have the right workshops. I didn't have Is this going to right? Yeah, I'm still just waiting for you to tell us who it is. M give us a hint. I'm dry mouth. I might she was. He was much more famous than she was, and now she's much more famous than he is. I love a game. But anyway, that was my first. So I designed a ring and it was It was a beautiful ring. It was an amazing ring. And that was my first, and it was crude. It wasn't where I am today. And that's how I started making rings. I had no idea I was going to be a design them. I had no idea, but I had all these young people. Uh. One doesn't realize in the late eighties, only nine days, Hollywood wasn't what it is today. It wasn't the glamorous place. They didn't have Netflix, they didn't have e they didn't have Google, they didn't have didn't have Internet, so they didn't have all these red carpets. There's all these emerging young starlets ornees La, They're all emerging or Merca Tomay, and she was nominated for a boy She won't ask her for my boyfriend. I was doing Julie for these people. It's that they came to my count. They liked that stuff I had. It was interesting, it wasn't typical. So I started making things based on antique esthetics, with amethysts, sitch rings, funny earrings, long, not heavy diamond I was making diamond chains so long, swaying, things that were youthful. And that's how I started that list. There was only one thing that was lacking. When we've already discussed to oh who it was? Who it was? Give me other names as I can. You know, so I want to go back. You said that Hollywood has changed. Obviously it's very extravagant and glamor so, but do you remember when you had your first big red carpet moment, when that was what it felt like. I had a lot of them. Man, Well, I want to hear about him all. First of all, I gotta got so many things ago, my first one, my first Oh he's got a book here, people, Well, well, I put a press because I can't remember everything. You know, I don't know. Oh, I could just sit and look at you had no idea. I had so many relationships with everyone, from Jennifer Hudson before she's famous, renez Elgin before she wanted to ask him, Madonna when she got married and did her ring. I mean I did. I was the guy to go to. I was this guy in the nineties that if someone wanted something, go see Neil, like go see Cow the US to be a commercial in California. He's old called Goosie Cow, Go see Neil. And I had this little, tiny, tiny ten foot booth and the most amazing people came through. And I don't know who the first was. I mean, I mean even Lena Horn came and she bought jewelry from me, and then she sang and she was wearing this ring. I mean I met the most remarkable people. Okay, I know I'm mumbling and grumble and rumbling, but I've been involved in so many Hollywood moments, from the Jewels for the Historical Jewels, for the movie Chicago. I loaned her for the movie Jewels that a great iconic May West. Oh maybe in Maywest. Yeah, come up with seeing me sometime, big boy No, And I was saying they got a pistol in the pocket or just happen. Yeah, brand name, you don't know. But anyway, I lent Julie that belonged to these great stars, to these stars that would do filming Chicago historical jewelry. Renee thanked me on camera. I mean, I think she thanked me a camera. I mean, I did so many amazing things. She's so sweet. I just saw her portrait of Judie Garland. Yes, incredible. When she was nominated for an Oscar, I was very friendly at the time. She was wearing a red dress, and she doesn't like a lot of jewelry, but she likes rings, and she said, I just want one red ring to wear with this red dress. And I made her a red ring as a present to celebrate her being nominated. She didn't win that year. She won the following year for another movie. But she sent me a sweet little note in a little, tiny little envelope, blue envelope, but a little police thing, Dearneil. I stared at it the whole night. Oh my gosh. I have had so many many experiences in Hollywood from notes from I mean, when I was asked to do Elizabeth Taylor's seventieth birthday presents for everyone that sat around her table. I was one of her good friends. Commissioned me to make these giant hip hop seventy jewels chains that in the Neil a in box, so that was a place set. It's just such cool things. Bobra Streison was my first client. Oh my gosh, stop, you know it was another client, but she brought Kate, her daughter, Kate little girl, and they would try on jewelry in my store, like play jewelry. And when Kate got older. You know, I don't mean to single these people out because there's so many more, but I can't remember them all I did. I remember this was a significantly when she got married. She got engaged to this guy from the Black Crows. They came up about a beautiful ring for me. I mean, she's had many lovers and children after that, but it's multiple relationships. And were Jennifer Hudson before she was famous? I did. I went everywhere with her. The stylist Jessica Pastor came to me and introduced me to Jena and she was She's a libra, so I get along really well with libres, you know, And I went with her everywhere with jewelry and toeing, and and to to the Screen Actors Guild, and to Emmy's and Schmemmys, and and and then to the Oscars when she wanted to Oscar for the dream roles. And I've had an amazing relationship with her. Oh when I launched my um Oh I got an award. I got an award called the Gem Award for Julia Design. I don't know how many years ago, but so it's a national award. And she came and presented it to me. Oh, she's in New York, the Gem Awards. Do you know what? I keep thinking, what we don't deserve you? We don't we I mean, how in the world did we land Neil Flank? How are we in this interview with you right now? I just sort of reach out touch you for a second. I think I've had for the past forty five minutes. I have a question. So you speak about this is? This is? I could listen to you for hours, Neil, this is amazing. You just became my new best friend. I made a friend. I need friend. I do. I can honestly say, I don't think I've ever met somebody so passionate and charismatic about what they do like I feel. I feel like I've had chills from right with all the stars you've man, I mean, why are you sitting with ushmucks? Because because I don't know made me. I don't think no, no, I think your schmucklets. No. Do you understand or people don't understand when when someone famous sits with me in the ring, they they're just like Garrett or Brian or you that's their princess. They might be Leonardo, there might be someone you know at the high echelon the Hollywood you know, maybe brid I mean, they could be anyone. I mean, all the movie stars. But they're just like Garrett or Brian when he was choosing ring. They want to get the ring for their princess. Is love. I don't think they come in with that. Well I'm so and Joe and I got two oscars, you know. Um, I think it's about love and and I think I deal with real people. They may have different careers that I'm making them so famous and and and amazing and wealthy and all this stuff that people do, but I think I see people at a very real moment, So I think it kind of keeps me real. I don't know how to be the other person. I tried, by the way. Oh yeah, I don't know how to do it. I don't know how to do it. We are at the Bachelor. But that's why I'm in the Bachelor. I'm able to Hey, I'm Neo Lane. I am Neil Lane. Nice to meet you. I love this. I love this real Nee Lane. I will say, I do have one question. So you talked about when you first started in the jewelry business, more so from the antique side of things, which I was actually tearing up when you were talking about that, because so my father's passed away, but he one thing that we used to do when I was little was we would go in Tea shopping. Now granted it wasn't for jewelry. He loved his ducks and his decoys and shotguns, but um, but he had such a passion for it. And so now even being with Garrett when we travel, that's my number one thing that I love to do is wherever we are, if there's an antique shop, I have to stop it. I just find such joy and you never know what you're going to come across. And I you weren't there, but I did come to your store last year to get my ring cleaned, and I missed you. But I remember sitting there for probably I mean I could have sat there for hours. Scarrett had to drag me out. I was there for probably thirty minutes, and I tried on a lot of the beautiful, gorgeous vintage rings that you had there. Do you go and still scout for those and go to the antique shops or do you have has my energy of it? Okay, nothing goes into the store that I haven't chosen. I mean, just to be honest with you, I Michael, Liz, Sally, and Court and they're all helpful. I was asking, But nothing goes in the shop without my curating it. Okay, I buy it all. Well, it's amazing. I it's blinding. If anyone can go into the store, I highly recommend it because the pieces that you have there are like dropping gorgeous. Becca, Why do you think I have two wedding bands? I could, well, you know, I might have to follow your foot stuffs, could just say I'm decide it was. It is amazing. I like I piggyback on every single thing that Becca is saying. And it's first of all, are you exhausted one now just because so much much stuff. I love it. Well, listen, I say an ego thing. I love talking about myself. Well, a story to I'm calmer now. When I first came in, I was very nervous. When you say, people don't realize another thing about me. When I could talk, I'm happy, But as soon as you put a camera on me, I freeze up. I I I change. And so sometimes my suit, the hair, that look, the voice protects me. So I can deal my thing. But I'm good with that because I like that guy. I like that guy too. Well. We ask you if you're exhausted because you're just doing so many things. I mean, like I said, we know you for jewelry. You've men that you're an artist, but you have so many things that are expanding the nail line brand. That's more than beyond jewelry, and I want to give you a chance to talk about that. I mean, you have the tabletop line, which I have, which I have to y, what color do you have? I have? It's the like the gray stone so perfectly. Yeah that's beautiful. Yeah, no, it's it's tableware and it's it's absolutely perfect. From my apartment maybe we have the same aesthetic in our apartment back because it matches perfect. And Mike, by the way, I thank you. That's that's a big compliment. Thank you. Um. But no, I had no idea that you even did that. And so I want you to give you a chance to talk about all the things that you're doing to expand your brand and your artistry. Well, I mean, yeah, I don't know what to say. He's the jack of careful and cautious. I've been collecting tabletops, I've been collecting silver. I've been looked my whole life. Since I was sixteen. I've been in castles. I've been in every museum in the world. I've seen it. I've eaten from it. You know, when I was living in Paris, I invited different houses. They had silver flat where they had silver trays, and I was impressed by their folks that they had hef to them and when you went and you cut into the food, Wow, it felt like something. You know. I think we had a little crappy, you know, folking knives and when I was growing up, which I didn't know they were crappy. Excuse me, Mom and Dad, rest in peace, rip. But I learned so much from my world travels, and again, like my aesthetic, I wanted to bring that. So I feel I had a lot to offer, not from an egotistical sense, but I really understood it. I created a house. I built a house in the last number because we should all come and have a party. Oh yes, I designed it everything, the door handles, the bronze door handles, the floors. I threw the design in the flow it's called tato. I threw the glass the metallic to make the pattern, and I created mosaics in the niches in the bathroom. I did wallpaper for the house. It sounds like a masterpiece. Thank you. So I felt I wanted to do it first for myself to see if I could then bring it to a bigger picture, because I'm always testing myself that I I don't want to make the wrong step. And then I work with amazing people on this line. And it was totally a joint thing esthetic wise, because I didn't know, you know, I was able to bring the colors, the mugs that I love color. I wanted to talk about mid century. I love the little dots in it. There was something like the t in the mill grain of your ring. Your ring has the same dots on the plate. Well, no, wonder you loveable. You'll just let y'all know. Is that I am the inspiration behind the table love. Yeah, I do want to say that. If you want to see where you can get this from, it is mill Lane by for Tessa. That's where it's just became recently available. I have it, Becca has it? My ring has it bed Bath than beyond? Yes? Oh, I had no idea what you're gonna plug me. I got up in the morning and I have a Russian and I swam and I came here. I got lost because I talk and I text and I drive. I don't don't tell anyone. Everyone listening and well, I don't text. Like Oprah said, don't text. I don't do that, but I do sometimes we're so much you got here safely today, Do we need to off follow you out? Knee Lane? This is really nice of you, know, And I'll tell you what's great. We're getting like a sneak peek into who you are. But there's obviously so so much more depth to you and for those of you who want to know how you can learn more about nil Lane because I'm and so intrigued. I know, Becca is I'm not leaving the studies. You have a new book, and I well, this is about weddings, right, But I imagine that the way this you're telling us about weddings and rings and the stories behind them, that there's some stories that come along with this. Right, And your book is called style. You're wedding with Nil Lane. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Yeah, So when the idea came in to do a book, I think wedding book would be the thing. I've been involved with so many weddings, from Kate Beckinsille's wedding when the Swan's been going a muck at the at the at the bel Air Hotel to Sha Shack O'Neil's wedding at the Beverly Hills Hotel. What was the point was I've been I've been part of this weddings. Oh the so I thought I have a lot of knowledge. I'm not a wedding planner, you know. I didn't want to take anything away. I can't do all those way you get this. I cann't even bring an aesthetics like I do with my line of jewelry. The aesthetic of what I have. I mean, the funny thing is I went with with Jessica pass of the style is to Marsha Cross's wedding. When you know when Desperate Houses was really popular. I want with Julie to do with her wedding and Jessica we had to dye her shoes. We had to Marsha Cross his shoes with the wrong color. So Jessica put them in tea bags and said, Neil helped me do this, help me do that. I was steaming dresses. I've seen so many things Hollywood weddings. I've been to glomerous weddings in Europe. I've just seen so much. So I thought, what could I do? How could I add to this narrative. There's so many great books, but it wasn't a book like I thought I wanted to do. I wanted to give you a narrative that you do it, inspire you. You know, I wasn't going to tell you do that that. I was going to say, open up your creativity, you can do it. And then I because I designed so many rings, I thought I would use six rings as the vehicle, as the chapters in the elegant ring or the glomerous ring or the hot and just to take you as a circle. And one of the things in the book I really wanted to share what the humanity of a wedding that not to worry about not it's your day obviously, and it's your great day, you and your beloved. But you know, guests are coming to see you. So I thought, like when they come, you know, we all tell them to a place and get the little placard or your Neil, you're at table sixty seven, you know. I thought, well, so you got the table sixty seven. When you sit down, maybe there's another note. Dear Neil, you're one of one hundred and twenty seven people here. You're here because we love you and we want to share it with you. So I tried to bring things to the book that it's your day, obviously, and it's so you're the glamorous the bride. It's like a genetic thing that just blooms you. It's amazing, You're glad, You're amazing. But the people that are coming to support you, they're important as well, So like you know, they're hungry, so you know the food sometimes that weddings come out really cold, and it's okay because it's family, but I just throw another eye on the people that come to support you. That's that was part of the thing that I wanted to bring the humanity to it. I went back to it. I wanted to bring back nostalgia. You know, not everything is throwaway. So like with your ring, the shape of the passion, you can start doing for your wedding that your rations, your ring can tell you a story how to do the designs or the three stone ring that you have beck or the gold it could be spawned. It's just a story and to inspire you. And I give you a lot of details and a lot of facts. But then I say you'll do it on your own. Grow you can do it. Okay, this is for you is married, but damn it, I wish so. I do have your book, and I got it a couple of weeks ago. It's been sitting on my coffee table and I've pieced through it. So Garrett and I aren't quite at the wedding planning yet, but I'm hanging on to it because it well, first of all, it's put together beautifully, but just to get the different vibes and piecing through the vibes that you can bring in and like you said, the nostalgia part, like looking at how you can bring in, you know, potentially family members that have passed and make it very special, to make it your own. So I know, once I start planning my wedding, that is going to come and key and so if I know listeners are out there that are definitely in that wedding planning process. So you need to get this book. Style style you're wedding with meal as beautiful. What kind of style are you, oh, Rich, that's a good question. Um, So I think for a wedding, First of all, I'm pretty unconventional, or I would say not unconventional, untraditional. So I when I envision a wedding, the one thing that comes to mind is food. And I don't want the traditional plated, sit down meal. I want a ton of food trucks. Um. Garrett is very outdoorsy, so I know we have to have I feel like it's going to be a rustic theme, like a rustic elegant theme, but still cozy. Gosh, Neil, we could keep talking to you forever and ever. There is so much to you. I mean, we can. You've already invited us to your home, so that's a done deal. I will, I would love, I like. I like people coming over, you know I do. What do you think about people staying? I might come over and stay, I don't actually going to stay, so I'm trying to move. I'm actually looking to buy a hub. So maybe so one of the things that we want to get to on the podcast because while we have the expert here, the expert in all things when it comes to wedding, because you're right, you're more than just a jeweler, and if you've been listening at any point of this podcast, you're getting that too. We want to play a game with you about whether you approve or disapprove. And this is coming straight from the man Neil lay right. So we're going to read to you a question or a statement, and you're going to tell us whether you approve it or disapprove it, and what he says goes people basically, all right, So first one up, proposing without getting the parents blessing? Do you approve or disapprove? Absolutely approve, so you should get the you don't need it, you do, no, No, I think, I think. I think if you love each other, like really love each other and your mom, that don't like him or he don't like her, or blah blah blah. You got to live with this person. Your love is about each other, and parents don't always approve. But if you believe in it, and you believe in that love, I would take that road. Don't have Brian's bum Listen to that one. Well, I actually agree with you really quickly, just because my dad did not give his blessing on the show to the three guys that came home to meet them to meet him? Did they all free? Ask? Peter didn't, but he'd like explained his reasoning behind it, but he did not give it to Brian and I still and I knew that Brian was upfront with me about that, but I knew my dad wasn't gonna say yes. I still said yes because I knew what Brian and I had, and then later it was very important for me to still have that approval. So once we all got to know each other before we actually got married, he asked agam, and that was really yes, And that's what I wanted to say. I didn't want to take your parents out of the expa. Oh, you don't make a difference. They make a world of difference. But they don't know or significant other. You've been intimate in every way. Hanging with him, you see something that your mom may not see. She may see a superficial guy. You see underneath that, he's the most sweetest guy in the world. And he acts sometimes he comes across that because he's so insecure, and you may see that, but your mom doesn't. And weren't gonna spend your mom. You know, he's really sweet's insecut I don't see that, Becca, you know what I mean? You're right, but I do like what what you said, Rachel. Afterwards, Yeah, afterwards you go back, Dad, What do you think now? Yeah? Look, look what a stand up guy he is. Look how wonderfully is I was right? That's really what I said. All right? Next question approver disapprove proposing without a ring? Controversial? It's hard he's going by the ring. I called you Lane, Did you hear me? Let's pay back from me? Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, this is really what I've been waiting for, because you don't understand. I can't remember anything. It cis goes out of my head. I get so nervous. Do you remember the question? Beck? I just ask you, yes, yes, Wait, I do, but I have to grab it. I don't remember it after that, quickly proposing without a ring, Well it's complicated, you would say, Well, of course Neil would say no because he wants to sell a ring. But that's not the truth at all. Why is a reason he's not proposing with a ring? Does he not have the financials? Um? Is he just drunk and he fell on his heel? You know, I get married, you know? Uh, what's the reason? I think if you're going to propose, you need to propose with something not the promissory proposal different. I have a great story. Um. Um, she's an olympiad um and he proposed with a twig on a hike in they're in Colorado. Um, yeah, I see. I can't forget her name. No, she she she was a because she was a snowboarder. But she doesn't have legs. She lost her legs in a in a disease and she won Amy Amy, Oh, I know her Amy, Yeah, I know, I know exactly who you're talking about. Just watched a video so amazing and he proposed. I can't I can't remember his name. Sweet guy. And they were walking on a hike and want and he got a twig. You can't just propose with nothing. You can't. Proposal means something more. He means you need to take a physical action other than just the words. That's what I feel. Doesn't have to be a diamond, it could be anything. A string, you know, honey, I don't have the money. But I made the string. Twist you tie? Sorry, a twist tie? Yeah? Oh, I did my first film. I forgot about that. What I did my first film with us? Oh my gosh, because I said, fifty shades of gray? What? What's the girl's film with her? I did my first film with uh? I aren't even holding out this information. He said fifty I was like, oh, fifty cent I would do one with him too? Why not? You know? But I'm sorry, I didn't know I brought that up. Okay, I'll ask you another question. Oh real, hit in here asking for a new ring. If you don't like the design that your partner picked out, do you approve or disapprove of that? Complicated? Complicated? That's not it's because when I first came to Hollywood. I'm going to answer you. Oh wait, um um m hmm, okay, And what are they say those old days what do they call him? He say about the past. Back in the day, when I first come to Hollywood, people used to come with me. The women got oh, Neil, Oh, I hate my ring. I love John. I hate my ring. You think we could redesign it. I don't know. Oh, I couldn't do that. John would be so hurt. So back in the day, women got rings that I didn't like because John didn't know anything. John said to his dad, I love Mary, I love Becca, I love Rachel. What do you do, Well, go go to Uncle Tom and get a ring and or diamond. Get a diamond. Okay, I went to Uncle Tom. I got a diamond. And now go to Uncle Mo. You know he'll get a setting for you. Go to Uncle Mo. Uncle Tom seld him a diamond he couldn't get rid of, you know, whatever shape that he didn't He didn't know about Becker or Rachel, what she liked. And the guy makes a ring. There's no input from the girl. And those were those days. Those were back in those days, back in the day. But today it's different. And so I think a guy really needs to respect and understand the girl he's proposing to. Whoever he's proposing to their style, their their level of you know, this not macho thing, but this mail. And I wouldn't say it's a mail thing, but this thing where you're just going to give someone something because you love it, she has to wear it. Today things are about style and fashion. Look throughout Glamor Shield girls. Look, you have a style and much you know, you have a style and people have style to it. And style is very Instagram. It's on pinch strip and Pinterest. You know. I'm like, I can't even follow that. But that's why I did the book, because everyone would come and get the store with all these pinsterest top thing and yellow stick hums and schmick ums and pages fall out. I thought, here's a book, here's a book. Anyway, I don't think I don't think you should, okay, I think the guy should be more more careful. Is not the opportunities today, there's so much you should ask the girl, ask a mom what's her style? So okay, which leads me into the next question. Posing with a ring that was bought for an X. Oh man, that's tough because it's the energy unless unless the girl you're proposing to really likes the X and likes the ring. But man, that that would be that's kind of boo boo juju. I would agree that. You mean, like, can you imagine a situation where you propose to someone and it's your grandmother's ring, and then it doesn't work out, but that's the ring you've always wanted to give him. That's tough, that makes sense. I think if it's a ring that you got designed, I would say, if you can keep the diamond, keep the diamond, I would put it in a whole new setting. If that's I think grandma's ring. I think it's okay to do it twice. Yeah, you know, sweet it didn't work out out, but I always want to. I took it back there because it means so much of his family, and now I want to give it to you because you really are the sweetheart. But a ring designed for you know, rachel or anyone else, and now you're proposing to someone else, It's like, no, no, you're lazy. It's a deal breaker for me. I know exactly who you are by the fact that you did that to me well, and I don't. I can't imagine any girl being wanting that ring and being okay with oh yeah, you just gave it to Abby two years ago. But I don't think it's consider it. No, No, and you know, and I think today there's there's so many there's so many ways a girl tells you what they want that you shouldn't do that right through pitt and strip this is one. I'm curious. I don't know. Poorno Schmoorno. I don't know. I can't say the whole I don't know, Neil, I can't either. Don't worry. I need to ask you this question. What very curious on this too. What do you think about proposing in a crowded place? Do you approve it or do you disapproven? Event? Was like at a sporting event or I was I was coming out of a Broadway play Hamilton, and someone got down on the sidewalk and propose right there right then. I like it. You're a hope romantic. I like it because I've had clients and friends that have done it in the middle of Broadway. So that's a politically correct answer. No, No, I like No, it's not politically great. I like it. I like I like that. There are sometimes I think that I wouldn't like it. Can I tell when I won't like it? I don't think you should do it in front of a family at the holidays. Oh, I agree. My dad actually proposed to my mom I think it was Christmas, and she said no, She's like, you have to do it when we're alone in the future. Yeah, I don't think you should do that at the holidays, because Christmas coming up big time for a proposal. Do not propose in front of Grandma, Betty, aunt Milk, Tilda Schmilder, cousin, did Willie a little, a little They're all gonna have the opinions. Yeah, they're gonna blow the moment. Take her ups, Take it to room. Excuse us, folks, we're going away for a second. Take back here in the room and kitchen. Whatever is Honey, I love you? Will you marry me? You know what I mean? Here's the ring, you know. Come out as an engaged couple and let them applaud you, because otherwise they're gonna give you all the yeah, stupid opinion. I nilo the fact that this is it's been great. There isn't There's not an adjective that I could use that could truly define the experience that Becca and I and our listeners have had today. I do have one last question. I don't even know if I can ask this, but I know viewers want to know, and I kind of do too. Okay, what happens to the rings for the bachelor couples that don't work out? Oh? I have asked this many times. It does go to Bachelor Heaven. It really does. People don't think people people think I make it up, But I have an arrangement with NASA, with NASA, with you know, Paulo seven. The rings go into the spacecraft and they stay there for the eternal eternal nocturnal or love energy, and it's coming back in the next century, in the millennium of seventy two seventy Can wait? Can I make a suggestion, because truly, if they go to Bachelor Heaven, I think that it would be great if you could decorate the store and then you could have the rings of those who didn't work out with little tombstones, a little rip tombstones. I think you should do. Honestly, though, you should do something with these rings, because honestly, so many people it's a question I get asked, and I still have my ring, Becca, you still have yours, But people truly want to know what happens with the rings when you with You don't understand that. I don't know. I really don't know when when when I do my thing, which is amazing. With these guys, I say bye bye, They never say hello again to me unless they're on your finger. Owen ask another question real quick. Sorry, I know we're up against the clock, but this is the approved disapproved when somebody when a couple doesn't work out and they're left with this ring, do you think that the fiance the girl? Do you think the woman should give the ring back or do you think that she's allowed to keep it? It depends on how much work she's had to do to get that ring. You know it was easy, Breezy, give back the ring. You don't want that energy, but you got to work your uh you know you get that ring? Girl? You deserve it. It's right like I think the Caitlin and Seawan's that situation. She should keep the ring she put in three years. I only had mine from two months. Maybe I didn't want it. It was beautiful. I did not want to keep that one. Oh yours was different. No, no, no, no, I totally get it. Can I ask you a question? Please? Do um, you look amazingly happy, and Garrett looked happy. You know, we all know we never know the future, but are you getting an invent to the wedding? Is that what you want to know? With Ari and Lauren, I can only imagine it was really painful, but it seemed from my perspective, I don't know you. I didn't know you. You have an incredible personality or a deep heart or a passion that you were able to turn around something which was you know, people could say, oh, look how terrible that was for her to turn around something to a glorious, beautiful girl sit in front of me with a ring and a big smiling Your things right? And I clawed you on that. How did you do that? I will say? Well, so when I saw him at the finale, I said this, and I'll say it again. I never wanted anyone to feel trapped in a relationship, and if if that was his out, that's what he had to do. I can't fault him for that, and he had to follow his heart. And it just led me to accept the fact that everyone goes through breakups, everyone deals with it differently, And I still didn't want to be scared of finding somebody after that, and so, um, I mean, obviously it all worked out now because we're I mean, I haven't talked to them, so I'm assuming from what I've seen, they're very very happy. I love Garrett with all my heart, and I think it happened in a way that should have for me to meet him, and so I just have to place it in the hands of God and say he has my back and he'll set me on the right path. And so, UM, just hope that all I could have asked for is that everyone came out happy in the end, because then it would have been a real I would have sucked about. But it did. As a person who's who has talked to them very recently, I might add, Um, and this is no shade. I'm telling you, everything truly happens for a reason. They are good for each other, yes, you know what I mean. Yes, like that that they are good and you are so much better off in your situation and you were good for you and Garrett are good for each other like a hundred percent. Like Nils said, hate you went through that pain, but my god, you are this is this is I wouldn't I wouldn't, I wouldn't normally ask that someone because I wouldn't want to embarrass someone. But I see a ravishing girl in front of me, happy with a ring. Another ravish into my left as well. Her name is Rachel. She think I don't know her name, but I do. I'm just a little wacky. Um. I'm proud of you girls. I'm proud of the girls, what you've done. I hear about you and how you do good and all the stuff you do with a fashion and promotion stuff. I think it's amazing. Um. I'm thrilled to be part of it. I do get a little goose pimples. I think that I am part of something like that. Definitely. I had the best time here. Now you can ask me more questions. But we could go on enough. If we had an unlimited time, believe me, we would. But that just means that you have to come back. You have to come back to Bachelor Happy Hour and see us. I think we need to take Bachelor Happy Hour to Neil's house. They would do that, so done, and after hours we'll put it up on it. We'll put it up on pinstrip. Okay, you guys, thank you. I'm sure pin strip. I'm a I can't get anything right. I remember Rachel's name, my own in my name and Neil, and yes, so go ahead, Thank you, Neil. Let them know who you are. You've got so many wonderful things coming up. If you don't have his book already, you've got to get that. If you don't have his tabletop line, you have to get that as well. Exhibition, my artwork is being shown down. Let them know, you know. So. I'm showing two works, art works I haven't exhibited in a long time, at a gallery downtown, a brand new gallery downtown LA in the Arts District, the Sarah Gavlack Gallery on I think it's seventeen hundred Santa fe Avenue. I would love for you to come and share and see my work. And I don't know, let me know that you saw my work. I might do an instagram about my art. I've never done it before. Please come in now. He wants so worked to thank you so much. Thank you for being here and being an amazing co host. I may say you bring out the better half and me, I don't know. All right in Vachel Nation, thank you so much for listening. We really hope you enjoyed this episode and next week. You guys, we don't let you down. We keep it going every single week. We've got Friends Giving which will be hosted by the ABA Solos, me and Brian, and we're so excited to have Brian here in La and we're also happy to welcome some of our friends from bachel Nation, some of our favorite members, to come in and celebrate this very first friends Giving with us. Well, Rache, I am so bummed I will not be able to make it to friends Giving next week. I will actually be back in Minnesota, but it sounds like a blast. 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