E 313-The Power of Keeping Dog Training Simple - Uncle Jess-

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jesse, so what would you say to somebody who's starting a dog training business?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you said that you kind of, uh, you're non-traditional, you're, you're not super professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I mean, I just, you know, try to get people the information they need and cut out the fluff.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say to somebody, let's say somebody's like, hey, I want to start a dog training business.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say to them?
[SPEAKER_00]: What advice?
[SPEAKER_00]: What things have you learned over the years?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I actually do a little mentoring, not much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just from those things I've made mistakes over the years with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do a couple of dog training seminars and courses for people that want to become dog trainers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not super certified just under me and my crazy method or approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest thing I tell people is kind of the old school Bruce Lee quote.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take what works, disregard what doesn't, and add your own flair to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's important, because when you mimic, you kind of lose, talking, we were just talking about my shorts, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it interesting that an instructor will teach the thirty students the same way, the same amount of time, and there'll be thirty different styles, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Put your hands up, throw a jab cross hook, and you'll have some people here, you have some people here, you have some people really tight in rigid, you have some people nice and loose,
[SPEAKER_02]: And the information was exactly the same, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where kind of like communications and the catch not to throw.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a quote off my buddy, Justin Garcia, Master Jim.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he taught me that he's like, dude, it doesn't matter how fast you throw a fastball.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the person can catch it, it's irrelevant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of like information.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always use my daughters as an example.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I throw a ninety-two mile an hour fastball at my five-year-old daughter,
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter that I could throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw nine to throw
[SPEAKER_02]: Me not being professional is double edged sword because I don't care about the theories and the methods and, you know, operative conditioning, classical conditioning, Skinner than Pavlov, who gives a shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all associations, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You create a positive association or negative association.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you work from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're client, can catch what you're throwing at them or pick up what you're putting down, you're winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if my students can learn that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, or anyone's trying to become a dog trainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: my best advice is find someone that you could shadow or mentor that you actually like as an individual, that you could you to shit with, that you could learn, you could be professional, you could ask concrete questions and have like substance and value behind the interaction, not just, this is what the book says or this is how I do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the concept of fluid understanding over crystallized learning, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you should play around so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the dog trainer terms, we talk about training the dog in front of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it goes back to, sorry, I ran to a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's hear it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm catching myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's kind of like teaching strategies and learning strategies.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that in human-to-human communication or learning, there's auditory septal learners, visual learners, hands-on learners, and a multitude of all three.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a teacher, I have to be able to identify that there are students in front of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't teach one dimensional.
[SPEAKER_02]: I lose everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be able to target, manipulate, have an ace of mice leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be able to stay the same information, twenty different ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like Google Maps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you could get here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you could go this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: That way, you could go make a YouTube Google Round, but you're still getting to the same place.
[SPEAKER_02]: What route is easiest for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what people have to take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether it be someone in starting dog training, client, on owner, I don't care what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Find someone you like, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not an everybody's cup of tea, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say that it's really interesting when I do an evaluation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still do home to homes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my bread and butter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love doing home to homes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's my favorite interacting with people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually I'll have the wife call me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and we'll do the whole, like, phone consultation really quick, and I'm really fun, and I'll make some jokes, and I'll say a couple of bad words, just a few of my clients out here, they're cool enough, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I throw a little, like, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a little fucking shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I get to their home, the husband doesn't know what I look like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I always say, I look like track.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where you tell them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like most people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm big to people that aren't as big as me, but I'm little people that are bigger than me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just have a weird look, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll usually knock on the door and husband will open.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he doesn't know what I look like.
[SPEAKER_02]: And usually, I'll get like, whoa, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And immediately, I'll have to disarm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, how are you, Uncle Jess?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, I'm Bobby, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll start shooting the show with him because I have to make them trust me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to cultivate
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand that I'm not here to pull your ears.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always tell all my students like, we're not getting paid to pull people's ears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No one wants to pay us to tell us what everything we've done wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we can't do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know we're fucking up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know we need a different approach, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was, I love using the term like, you haven't done anything wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just haven't done it right yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how I tell people that wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't do anything wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just didn't know how to do it right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm here for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's for anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But once you kind of grab your clients or grab your students or people that are going to come into the dog industry, I think there's too much of, ah, but we'll get into a fucking, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're here for.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know whether it's positive or it's negative or there's balance, whether it's clicker, whether blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who gives a shit?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the client going to be successful?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the dog going to live a better life?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to get results?
[SPEAKER_02]: Preach it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if you're positive only.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if you're balanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you clients in your dogs doing better?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't go fuck what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to talk to the better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to clients to do better.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't have that dog get used to nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't get that dog real home.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't go to the shelter.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we create a harmonious coexistence and like?
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say squeeze the juice out of life, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we squeeze the juice out of that relationship?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because obviously, everything they're doing isn't working.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the only thing that will work is something that haven't done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's modified of a Einstein's like insanity cool, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doing the same thing every day expecting a different result.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I always say if everything you've done has worked, the only thing that will work is something you haven't done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's change it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about people who just, where do you typically start?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's your base?
[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody says, well, I haven't done anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't done anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We adopted this dog or, you know, my daughter picked up this puppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your, after you do the console, you show up?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your, like, how do you, how, I'm always interested to see how different trainers outside of an aggressive doctrine invite you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you, what do you say to a normal client?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you do that with the process?
[SPEAKER_02]: So beautiful question, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that question.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I love it is because I don't care is actually a reactive dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if it's puppy training.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if it's a dog that needs confidence building, if it's inferior to things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's irrelevant.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a funny
[SPEAKER_02]: Funny thing I do on the phone call.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna circle back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm gonna land the plane.
[SPEAKER_02]: I promise in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always have this little like script in my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good jazz.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Samantha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh my god, I thought I'm gonna get a little monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I wanna know about their dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I go, how will this see?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what breed is he?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, it's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna fix the dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna fix the dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want them to tell me like they tell me oh he's I got a Yorkie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of my top three breeds bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I swear that if you say a vis-à-vis I'll say that if you say a Caucasian I'll say that if you say I want you to feel comfortable with an interaction Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's one of my favorite dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of my favorite dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a fucking bargain.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter
[SPEAKER_02]: Once I do that, and they let me in their home, I always start to remember saying boundaries a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boundaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boundaries, boundaries, boundaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are boundaries in the definition of my head?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really different than most people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might be wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could've heard him call me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if I create a boundary without commands and without the dog knowing what I want from it, itself discovering, that's a boundary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So usually in an evaluation, the first thing I do is I'm like, oh, does he like treats?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course he does, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I go, yeah, I'm like, what's his favorite treat?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, you know, dried chicken heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, cool, bring them over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give the dog a free chicken heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he'll get a really excited for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I tell him, I'm gonna make a quick little mess here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll crush it up some treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna say, I'm gonna drop him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's okay, if I poke him, I'm just gonna give him a little poke on his chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, do whatever you gotta do, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not gonna stop him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loves treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll drop them and obviously the dogs are going to come on your mouse and I already need to treat them to floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll lift up a little chin and I'll poke a little chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll posture them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stand straight up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll apply what I call the talking dog method.
[SPEAKER_02]: The secret is not talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's like my little scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you mean talking dog method.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then my little thing is the secret is not talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't talk too much information, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you say a speaking dog, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I call it talking dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm a simple tip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like the term talking dog, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because how do dogs talk to each other and use language?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know English managed and he's Russian, I don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they do understand is touch us with medium.
[SPEAKER_02]: comma approaches, eye contact, facial expression, body posture, and presence.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I could stop the dog's succession, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's coming after it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just lift up a little chin to get a little eye contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: I poke him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pokes not supposed to hurt him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's supposed to redirect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, supposed to redirect to the point of touch.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now when he looks at me, I could stand up, I could take space, because space communicates.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll take space, I'll stand straight up on purpose, because you're going to follow my hand after I poke him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to look at him, I call it dadides or mamas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody has that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knows that their parents look better or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dog's going to be like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got his little head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you on the lead?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the dog on the leash?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do that for the client.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do it off the lead for myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm, have you ever had a dog that just goes around the poke?
[SPEAKER_02]: On your percent, I call it the shark attack.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they'll start sharking around you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't know they want to treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to poke me.
[SPEAKER_02]: The concept is, even if they eat the treat, I'm, they're really eating it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never do fast movements.
[SPEAKER_02]: I walk over.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the dogs are, I need the dog to make the error three to five times consecutively.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dogs learn in my experience, in my brain, my brain, dogs learn in a sequence of three to five times of repetition.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you have to put them in the process of failure so you can be successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need them to have that, ah, moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I call it the light bulb effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like old cartoons, like Wally Coyote when he had an idea, he's like, ah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But something positive has to happen, something negative has to happen and by default, like bulb.
[SPEAKER_02]: So see the value.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's literally counterintuitive approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: So human psychological approach used on children.
[SPEAKER_02]: I use it on dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I give them something they really want.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they get it, they get a consequence through touch.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they leave it alone, they get exactly what they wanted by not getting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I don't get it, I get it boundaries boundaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's also called impulse control.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm setting them up for failure on purpose because I want them to succeed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once they get it, I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't even say it's training.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're imprinting in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you're communicating in dog terms, you could say, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're not talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not helping it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that I tell my dog, sit, stay, and then throw the food, didn't create a boundary.
[SPEAKER_02]: You created a condition response to the repetition of reward, and he already had an associated value to it, put my tissue on the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put my butt on the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do it in the kitchen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do it in the backyard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do it on a walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do it in the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the sit,
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of mud is the water of what the boundary is because if I don't say sit, who eat the tree?
[SPEAKER_02]: If I don't say sit, he'll run out the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I don't say sit, he'll jump on people.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I don't say sit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the sit is like this artificial fake boundary because the sit is, yeah, is the command.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say, sit down, stay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always use the term that I say, I don't care if the dog sits down, stays or walks away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't eat my treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't run out my door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't jump on my guests.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's understanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if he wants to jump on my guests and he holds, I tell my, I release my guest to pet my dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never release my dog to pet my guests.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of like, I think you talk about steak like this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone forgets, I mean, beautiful video, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone forgets to reward the position.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop rewarding when it comes to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it keeps breaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh shit, if you have to feed all that, I gotta get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's counter-intuitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's counter-intuitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's so cool because I'm sure you have this like epiphany, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: With your clients with it like, oh my God, it's so simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right in front of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what you're there for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but that's why I always start.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what the issue is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how old the dog is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care the gender of the dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care the reader of the dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care anything boundaries because that's my platform.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my foundation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I don't have boundaries, he's never going to respect me.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the treat supersedes me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't really bribe with the treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I love treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to create behaviors with a treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to reward a behavior with a treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if he does it, he earns a treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not going to use a treat to create the behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: The treat rewards the behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't create it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now with puppies and stuff, you could lure a bribe a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in that midst of that, can I get them to come sit today with the same treat that I'm rewarding him?
[SPEAKER_02]: But can I also throw them all around them and so get the same response for me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: the boundaries help you do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he knows everything stems from what?
[SPEAKER_02]: The tree or from you?
[SPEAKER_02]: The tree comes from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: The consequence comes from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, bad, sad, happy, safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything stems from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: The pillar of light.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're leading.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, without any words.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it also develops this, like I always say, like the micro and macro.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when somebody comes in for like leash reactivity or any problem,
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can create boundaries, you can communicate well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of people who have, it's when I start off with myself is people who come in with any severity of behavioral issues, reactivity, aggression, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say, can you get your dog to sit for more than at all, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Get off, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sit now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well there's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you get your dog to heal from here to here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's the problem, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's these small little micro boundaries of, can you get your dog to do anything?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that tells you your relationships status, where you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You have, so you go to somebody's house, you consult with them, and they say, here's the problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you go, okay, well, let's just see your dog's base, and they don't have any.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an easy thing for dog trainers, because we're like, this is an easy fix, because you have nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who would you say your mentors are?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like who are the people that you look for for inspiration?
[SPEAKER_00]: Rather, now we're in the past, like who are, so ironically, when I started,
[SPEAKER_02]: I started with my own dog, it was fifteen years old, I saw a white-long culture in my shepherd at a pet shop, a puppy here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was a puppy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like five months old, and I begs my dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, no, no, no, I beg to my baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got me the dog, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I tried to do my thing as I met at a horrible job, I didn't know what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think when he was about a year and a half, we hired a company.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they came out and I wanted to do protection training, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to make him a police tire, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had no potential to do it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They stole their money, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Charge my dad at arm and leg, the dog didn't end up even sitting, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just one of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But ironically, within that time, I meet friends with one of the trainers.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's actually a real successful doctor and it's in Richard Heinz.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Miami dog whisperer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's super awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he left that company.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he asked me, is that, hey, dude, do you want to help me decode like you want to be a decode?
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to take some bites?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I need to, I don't know if I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we were buddies.
[SPEAKER_02]: We started to digital together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we watched you see together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's super cool, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of learned through him like storytelling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I learned through stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I love stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he would tell me things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd watch him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was like, kind of like my mentor, I'm officially, but yeah, he was my mentor.
[SPEAKER_02]: What age was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, twenty, yeah, twenty, twenty-one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool, twenty-one-one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was big on Ivan.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loved Ivan, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I always say his last name, Rob.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I haven't, my bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was big, big.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's back in the day with Leerberg.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a frauland, frauland.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was selling all the DVDs back in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my buddy would buy them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'd watch him and it was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, not a big obedience guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I never got into like the sport obedience and like all the fancy stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always been so inclined to the behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's more like he's very fancy in his obedience, which is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I am a believer in Ivan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael Ellis is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love listening to him or watching him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually watch the podcast with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, he's gonna get mad that I remember it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you had a podcast with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Atherton.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he has a goal to be a like a federal agent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Larry Cron.
[SPEAKER_02]: Larry Cron, sorry, Larry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Larry Cron, I'll watch that and I like to listen in his perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was a good podcast, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like listen to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave kind of props to the same people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I feel like they're like the Godfathers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, weird way, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're much, yeah, yeah, I mean, those guys have, I mean, I don't know much about Ivan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've trained in and watched Michael for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of useful friends and, you know, they have tons of experience, you know, they're much older than us and so they started and, you know, I think guys like us when we start, there was, I mean, I always tell people, there's not, I mean, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, who can we learn, except for finding people locally?
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, this claim, I don't know, none of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never worked with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no relationship with them, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just, yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that I knew their names, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, even I think Adam's cats had a book, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The secrets to dog training, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I never read the book, but I remember he used the first guy to make a website.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right and he had like a marketing team and and he did great cool, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know how good of a dog trainer you was, but that's relevant right if you helped people you the good dog trainer Yeah, so most of the stuff I do is really made up
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, Tyler never had been doing it so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Professor of elimination.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always trying to learn something new.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm always like, well, that didn't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly enough, the one thing that's universal in my experience, right, with the dogs I've worked in my twenty-five years, found these all as works, even for aggression.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if I could have the owners apply it before we do dog reactivity, before we do human reactivity, before we do any type of nerve structure issues or anxiety, if they do that first, the dog already has an understanding of expectations.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if the dog understands what the expectations of the parents are, it becomes much easier to manage nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to fix it, but the management part.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the process of meaning the goal becomes quicker, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the dog's not guessing anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: It knows what no means.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's super weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I ask all my clients this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I ask him, do you just tell your dog, or did you teach your dog what no meant?
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, we'd question, no, it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you just say no?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or did you teach it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you give no substance in value in an understanding of the accountability behind you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or do you just get frustrated?
[SPEAKER_02]: I call it the T-ketto effect, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You can frustrated for the same behavior over and over.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get frustrated.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get frustrated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you blow up, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The T-ketto whistles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the dog gets booked, and you're like, he knows he knows he made me mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, shit, you look like a psychopath.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, your body language changed, your energy changed, your screaming, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, he knows what it means.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, why don't you do me a favor?
[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow, because he's gonna mess up anyways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow, when you give really aggravated with him, say, yes!
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet he's gonna act as thing fucking way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they know the difference between knowing, yes, he's just reading you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's reading you, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And people have a hard time with this, because in evaluations, a lot of times I tell them,
[SPEAKER_02]: came to the treat and they go, he knows shit down in the dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no one he's saying, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: With the treat, I'll say Monday and the dark will come.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say Tuesday, it'll sit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say Wednesday, it'll down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll do it consecutively.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, he doesn't know what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's working for the treat.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not working for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just falling in my hand, whatever the treat does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever word I say, he already knows to have it in routine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't matter where you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I always challenge everybody to get the tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Move backwards and say Monday, you're all going to come.
[SPEAKER_02]: Say Tuesday when you stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to sit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Say Wednesday when you put your hand down.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So letting people understand that, making the word valuable is probably the most important thing, giving it substance and value, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the boundary does that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once you get the boundaries, when I say sit, and you don't do it, and I just, because I poke and I hiss, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Caesar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very similar to Caesar, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So these draws poke and hisses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just fucking cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing different that I will tell people that I've never understood on his end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the breakdown of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I break it down, I always saw people the reason I hiss is because there's no motion or attachment to the sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if you, ah, I don't care if you say New York, you could say whatever you want to just can't be a no, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So even like when I do little concerts or like my little mini seminars, I always tell the group on three say no is nicely as you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody feels really weird because no, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: No's anger, no's frustrated, no's confused, no's never nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as soon as we start interacting or done, I'm like no, Fifey, hey, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you change because we're emotional creatures.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have emotional attachment towards.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have nostalgia to smell, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we have memory, and our body has muscle memory to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as soon as you say no, even though you're not angry, or I tell people all the time, you went out with your wife, you had a great dinner, you had a two-cocked, it was beautiful night.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get home, the dog ripped something up like no!
[SPEAKER_02]: And immediately your night went to shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh-uh, or it's nice because there's no motion with attachment, just a sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I poke and I hiss and I marry those two together, I'm going to land the plane in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now all of a sudden there's substance in value to the sound I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my new know is, but they know if they don't listen to that, there's going to be a poke behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I gave it substance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly what I just said, that's how I use the e-color.
[SPEAKER_02]: A long distance poke I tell people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I could ask the dog something and marry it with a sensation, not a correction, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I have a weird concept with the e-color.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think anything on the fifties stimulation, I think anything over fifties is consequential.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like any of you play it right, don't learn it real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know there's a lot of controversy with e-colors and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I always tell people context matters, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I use my example of little league.
[SPEAKER_02]: You ever seen a little league coach?
[SPEAKER_02]: having a little girl steal third and he's max her ass or smacks his little boys but is he mad at that little kid is he angry is he is he giving that kid consequence or is he motivating him right that touch could be double standard it could be a consequence or it could be a motivational spank yeah like
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like when we do our dogs, go boy, we're doing protection.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch, go boy, go watch, and I'm smacking the shit out of him and he's at, ah, ah, he's fucking feeding off of that shit, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if he messes up and I'm like, hey, he's like, oh, shit, why are you mad?
[SPEAKER_02]: And how are you gonna touch them?
[SPEAKER_02]: My sons are the same way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was twenty-year-old, eighteen-year-old, and a ten-year-old, both of my boys, and I have seven and eight-year-old daughters.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might, my boys are bigger than me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a big son of a bitch, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And bigger than you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're big dudes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're beautiful boys, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: My big guy's in the army.
[SPEAKER_02]: My, my eighteen-year-old Lisa's in the army next month.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, we both house sometimes, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And every once in a while, I got a man that the old bull stole was a guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a man still got a baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be rough housing, and I'll give him a little extra juice on something, and I'll get them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really cute, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we'll be like, oh, dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you got, and they'll be like a happy tier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that like you got me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my, that's right, got you motherfuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, and you're fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're laughing it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they mess up even as men.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, hey, Boba, how many times have I when I told you that I don't know, but I hate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it looks like I'm going to beat the shit out of him, but I haven't touched them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that context matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: The energy, the eye contact, the facial expression, the situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I could play fight with him and hurt him like a man and he could laugh it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have to touch him to make a point that, hey, I don't appreciate this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be physical sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the physical also helps identify things, especially for dogs, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry that we're rambling into so many different subjects, but it's kind of like I also people, why do I poke?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's my way of biting the dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Touch as a medium.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Touch the communicate.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does mom do when they're four weeks old?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they have those little vampire teeth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they want to suckle her at her teeth.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no more milk.
[SPEAKER_02]: and she starts beating the shit out of everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: For actually not like, get away and the little prawn is still coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's biting the shit out of no, no, no, back away.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, I'm on milk, milk, milk, milk.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the first incorporation of social structures.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when they learn no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's his native.
[SPEAKER_02]: First time they get exactly that social structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's yes and no.
[SPEAKER_02]: And ironically, in my theory, dogs don't learn through positive enforcement.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always say the lack of bite is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're getting bit, they did something wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're not getting bit, they did something right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't teach in a positive way.
[SPEAKER_02]: They only teach through touch being negative.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not getting touched, you're doing everything right so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the lack of bite is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's positive, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they don't bring that squirrels to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Tom, nice fucking work up today.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go buddy, here's a squirrel.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't do that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a weird concept because they're primitive thought species, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The way they interact is so cool to me, because obviously they have access, skin, they have fur, they have armor almost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, our t-shirt would be the access skin.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of times we've seen dog fights, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times a lot of saliva.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of noise.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like two Tasmanian doubles.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's no blood, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's what that little arm is for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right there may to be bit, and it's weird for me because I'm from Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of my favorite trees, I have a green thumb, like I love trees and everything in plants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, my favorite, like Thorne Bush is a boogumbia Bush.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a weird Thorne Bush with paper flowers and they're beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like vibrant purples and pinks in white.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you throw a softball in there, a tennis ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every dog in the world will jump in, come out, and now have a scratch on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You walk by that Thorne Bush.
[SPEAKER_02]: because we don't have that armor, we don't have our coat, we don't have access skin, so the touch you feel or the interpretation of your emotional
[SPEAKER_02]: gauge on what hurts, because we know pain is subjective, what hurts you doesn't hurt me, what makes you happy, doesn't make me happy, what makes you sad doesn't make me happy, make me sad, everything is subjective, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the quote from Jurassic World.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the main biologist is talking about, oh, you created a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like monsters are relative term.
[SPEAKER_02]: To a canary, a cat is a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have these little monsters in the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because everything, like, and I get it, I love empathy, I love sympathy, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think when anything in an access is bad, it's kind of a Jordan Peterson talks about the devouring mother effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's a real thing with pet parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we pity them so much, and we empathize with them so much that we rather keep them locked up in their, I don't want to use the word misery, but in their,
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're flaws, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we find purpose in being there for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's scared.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has separation in God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can go to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Second, empty nest or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why a lot of my clients that are older.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like fucking seven dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, their kids are grown, their grandkids are grown, they have more purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have no meaning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just keep getting dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: They keep getting dogs because they feel needed and wanted and desired and they feel sense of purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But make sure you're also giving the dog meaning a purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Another question I ask, all my clients.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of rhetorical, but I tell everybody, besides just being your dog and you loving your dog, besides that.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your dog's purpose?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the meaning to his existence?
[SPEAKER_02]: What does that wake up for in the morning?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are its duties and tasks?
[SPEAKER_02]: You can say love and eating is not purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does it wake up for in the morning?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a real question because we're things I tell people, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say because they're kind of like modern day slaves or prisoners to our once.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we never meet their needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I also be worried, does your dog hunt for food?
[SPEAKER_02]: No?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it reproduce?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, you neutered it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: The travel territory?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what's his purpose?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't prolong its species.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't be produced.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not traveling in territory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two blocks or a mile is not territory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have thirty square miles that they travel in the three months span.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're talking about canine species, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not talking about modern depots.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have time today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have time, or it's raining.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I also people, your wants don't matter to me when it comes to your dog's needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when you know it needs a stronger owner out of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: The good thing about our job, I think, is that we get to empower people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really about the dog as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because once you start talking to people in that mindset and their psychology changes that, my dog could be so much better if I'm so much better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure you've had revelations with your clients like that, where you've built people, or you've strengthened their relationship with their wives, with their children, with their dogs, with their fathers, with their employees.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because everything is, whether we want to believe
[SPEAKER_02]: Alpha theory is real or not, we do know that pecking or is real, we do know that chain of command is real, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We do know that there is a system that nature by her, we don't need it, but nature by nature has instilled on mother earth, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have more queen bees and worker bees, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't, she doesn't allow it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you either have to become the queen bee, but you have to let your dog take that role.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he said, let people see that, that, oh my God, all his actions are actually meaningful.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he's bullying me for affection, he's mostly known to my arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I give into him, then he's really shitty on the walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: My kick isn't his head.
[SPEAKER_02]: His action dictated a reaction in you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And leadership really simple, I also feel people.
[SPEAKER_02]: If my actions dictated a reaction in you, I'm leading.
[SPEAKER_02]: If your action dictates a reaction in me, you're leading.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter how subtle it looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Easy here, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe that affection is the number one form of bullying.
[SPEAKER_02]: pet me, pet me, pet me, pet me, pet me, no?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, pet me, pet me, they jump on you, they barking you, you're like, I'm just silly, ruthless, okay buddy, and then he gets off and walks away, yeah, you better pet me when I tell you to shit, they don't ask, they demand, and a lot of people don't see that, he just wants my life, I was gonna call him anyways, boundaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I create that boundary of that limitation on, hey, I haven't called you yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't given you permission to eat the treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't given you permission to run out of the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't given you permission to jump on my guests.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's weird because all the things that are undesired to us, but dogs don't have a value system.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know what's wrong, good or bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: They only understand their desired outcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's their desired outcome is the only thing that's positive, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I start like rambling, and I'm super into a rent, I always tell people, even reactive dogs, aggressive dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's positive for them to display a negative behavior that we see.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want the other dog around them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they display enough aggression, and the dog keeps walking, they're like, Chachin!
[SPEAKER_02]: I got my desired outcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: The aggression positive reinforced what they wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of insecure dogs will
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, do things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they will, they will say, I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bark.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we go, oh, we got to get out of here and they're like, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to bark more often so I can get out of that situation, which is weird because we're trying to help them out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to strong believer that we break through things.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't avoid them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And more we avoid to more they're still there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always there.
[SPEAKER_02]: One life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a weird, but I think too, when we were talking before we started, martial arts, martial arts teaches that a little bit, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or contact sports teaches you a little bit, or even like any teen sports teaches you that, how to be accountable, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say the coach mentality is really interesting to me, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because a kid that misbehaved in school and at home, what misbehaved at soccer practice?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at soccer practice at volleyball or football.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, because culture doesn't get free love or free acknowledgement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no, yeah, you don't get in sports and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get or martial arts, you know, we're talking about jujitsu.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you're not, if you're not doing your homework in practicing, you're going to get, you're going to get crumble.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: This sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just in general, like, martial arts or sports or
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that voluntary adversity, you know, cold plunging sonos running.
[SPEAKER_00]: X things that we don't want to do that we correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what's been super helpful for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last couple years has just been able to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to wake up for traditions to a five a.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got stuff to do later.
[SPEAKER_00]: We tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: We think up of all these excuses, but the more you kind of train your brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to your point of
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of putting things off to the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It always, it comes back around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It always comes back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't, you have adult kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you have, you have babies right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it gets more interesting because you have to suffer flex and you have to evolve because of not your kids don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a biggest thing your kids have taught you, you'd say.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, I know probably, it's stages.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, there's crazy stages.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my recent things that happened about six months ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just stay on topic, which is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: My eight-year-old turned into Harley.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Harley's cool to shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like she's a little dog trainer, like she likes to hold out training thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: None of my kids like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's the only one that likes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a weird thing that came out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do something called competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Competition is a color in day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we color every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll color sometimes I won't be able to ask them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a great color.
[SPEAKER_02]: I stay in the lines, baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then other times I let them win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so they can see the whole process, but they love to competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So usually she'll be like, hey, Dad, are we doing competition later?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, give me a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she caught me like six months ago and she goes, Dad, do you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's smart dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, you're always a one second.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I always count.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's never one second.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in that moment, I learned so much, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only for me as a father, me as a husband, me as a man, me as a dog trainer, me as a friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I made up this thing that I believe that communication has three pillars, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I say that, what we say, what we mean and what's interpreted.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in that moment, I learned it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or she taught me better said, I didn't come up with it, she taught me that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because, and we're going back to the note, do you teach your dog?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, or do you say no?
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a perfect example.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never taught my daughter an implied meaning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never taught her what a figure of speeches.
[SPEAKER_02]: How is she supposed to fathom what one second means sort of to me?
[SPEAKER_02]: What I say is give me one second.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I meant, give me five to fifteen minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's she interpreted?
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad's a liar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy fucking shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think she was saying that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You say, yeah, you say one second, but you lied to me every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a confidence thing too, because you said one thing that she interpreted actually one second, and it's never, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she only thinks in a literal format.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: At that time, she was seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: She only thinks in a literal format.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has no concept of figure for speeches, implied meanings.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know critical thinking yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't know Shashi, the little baby, she doesn't see blossoming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost selfish, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you're not really looking into what the person's receiving, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Communication in the catch, not to throw.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're circling back.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, we're landing a lot of things right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: and people do this with their dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: A different species that doesn't use language.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same pedigree, same bloodline, same household upbringing, religious contamination, belief system, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we speak the same language, it's Spanish and English with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she still doesn't understand me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I use this as funny, because I use this a lot now on my clients.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I tell people, when you were younger, I'm not a YouTube Tom.
[SPEAKER_02]: When your mom or dad gave you advice for any elder, did you listen to everything hundred percent?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you followed the fucking directions perfectly, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, everybody does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody does, but they're speaking to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're giving you concrete evidence, scientific or proof.
[SPEAKER_02]: Life experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: This happened to me, buddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't fall for the same trap when you're like, yeah, but you're stupid that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you still have to make those same mistakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: With all this information and help, imagine your dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking to it like it was a human.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have the expectations of it being able to process what you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did it with my daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I see people do it every day with their dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a real interesting thing how going back to boundaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: The secrets I'm not talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop talking talking to your dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: See if it understands you first, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then at worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold it accountable.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hold my children accountable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hold all of them accountable.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: If I can hold me accountable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I encourage it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the old second thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a weird thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a my sons were younger.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my two eldest sons, they're from
[SPEAKER_02]: Another marriage, my recent wife is my last wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not my second marriage, it's my last marriage.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to write notes to the boys a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Backpack, I'll just had a note.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: That all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always tell them like, question everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question your teachers when they tell you they did something wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ask why?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you get in trouble for something you didn't do, express yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, question everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question the police.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question the Pope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Question everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure you feel fulfilled with the answers you receive, because I'm fully shit too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm very adamant about teaching my children that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fucking horny thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fucking big dummy idiot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm making a lot of shit up as we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the older we get, the more realized we just all giant babies walking around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's, everything's fake, everything's made up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like nothing's fucking real.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just trying to do the best we can on what we got, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In Joe Rogan's words, like we're all talking naps and a floating rock and infinite space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and we're the only ones that know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No other animal knows that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just us with his fucking wild to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what separates us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard an animal psychologist guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna give him any credit card.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember his name.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said something really fucking valuable.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, you know what the difference between humans and animals are?
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, they don't look at the stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't look up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate the nothingness.
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate the ocean.
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate the trees.
[SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate things in a different cognitive light.
[SPEAKER_02]: Animals won't look at the stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, they're looking at survival all day long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if you have a goldfish, which I always say that your dog is a goldfish in your house, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You created this artificial, like, fishbowl, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That those four walls are huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have AC.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this a giant kennel?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this a giant kennel without purpose?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not enough sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You gotta be willing to do a little lecture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like me, like I'm a, this is a funny thing I will say.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a man, if I will sing without kids, I don't get my living under a bridge, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd have a garage with a car and a mattress.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd be happy as a pig in mud, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The cool thing about pack order or alpha or family, whatever tribe, whatever word you want to use, what's cool about it is that it's, there's a weird synergy in it because the leader finds strengths from the pack and the pack finds strengths from the leader, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what a thought pack is or a family is.
[SPEAKER_02]: My family doesn't know how much influence they have over me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we talk about this enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: My family has more influence than I have over them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though, like in my household, or my upbringing, like, you know, I'm the provider.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the security, blanket, I'm the protector.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, my wife's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a homemaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: She homeschools the girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: She cooks.
[SPEAKER_02]: She fucking caters to me and helps me with my emotional distress.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is a saint.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they don't see
[SPEAKER_02]: In the mornings, we were talking about, you don't want to get up into the ice bath, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's too hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's mornings I just too hard for me to wake up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to go to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to deal with people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to go through the rat race, but if I don't who will, I got to put food on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a roof over our house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over our heads, I got to make sure my daughters are safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to make sure my sons are strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to make sure if I don't do it, it all falls apart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm nothing without them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They think they're nothing without me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a weird thing because I don't know, I'd be nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I my purpose in my meaning, just being a dad, it's being a protector, it's being a provider.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's being able to not care if like those those means where you see like the dad has arrows on a lower his back, but the protecting his daughter for life's like, yeah, chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I live for.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a behaviorist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not another.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a promise.
[SPEAKER_02]: My family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I always tell people that it's an interesting concept because you know how we think of superheroes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also sound like a supervillain.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, from my family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if anybody came down right now, they said, hey, we're going to blow a planet Earth unless you sacrifice your family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, blow that motherfucker up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, what up?
[SPEAKER_02]: My family lives, fuck it, let everybody die.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a super villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because my family comes first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And because of their taking care of, I can take care of everybody that comes under.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like us.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we don't have good mental health, if we don't at stable, if we're not in a good head space, we can't be good husbands.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't be good fathers.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't be good friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't be good trainers.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't be good anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, how long have you been training?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, offer professionally, probably like, fifteen years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how do you balance, obviously, with all the five, four, five kids?
[SPEAKER_00]: Five kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: So three boys and two girls.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you how do you balance all that like with with running a company and trying to help people and be there for your family like what's what's advice that you would give?
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess anybody but dog trainers because we feel it a lot too because we it's so much emotion like you said we we help marriages we help
[SPEAKER_00]: families we help you know some people are like this is my best friend and if yeah you can't help I don't you know I don't know what's going to happen right so there's a lot of it's different right we don't clock in and clock out like um no I don't know normal the norm okay the norm you don't have a forty hour work week right you you don't do what you need to five and you don't put on a suit and tie in clock in and clock out correct it's always especially when you're on your own company right
[SPEAKER_00]: You're always on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I always found an interesting one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was starting my business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like weekends were just another opportunity for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you guys are off.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're working.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't you want to work?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was always just like trying to get that thing done.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then your boss on Friday at five was like, all right, you guys got to stop and we'll hit it again Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for somebody who loves what they do, like dog trainers do, typically.
[SPEAKER_00]: is we get to keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so with that being said, how do you balance five kids, a business, being a good, being a good husband?
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: A good dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing the best you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you balance all that?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's advice you can give people on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's why some of my wife used to work for GP Morgan or Chase.
[SPEAKER_02]: She used to be a bank manager.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, hey, I don't want the school system raising the kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: strangers like her nannies yeah like I you know and we both came to the agreement like she's like I fuck it like I'll be at home mom our homeschool our you know and we do like a lot of activities actually begs with the girls we go wow we go fishing like you can do a fucking home in your homeschool it's really fun and great are all the kids homeschool the boys know the girls yes they were older so different but we did it with the girls
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that helps a lot, because it's not like I have to wake up at five, to go drop them off, and then be back by two, to make sure we take them to soccer, and so I eliminated a lot of the fluff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because homeschooling is crazy, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two to three hours you're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, whole day's worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: My seven year old's been reading like, yeah, it was like four, like crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not reading reading, like shit, I still can't read.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to read or fucking, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just old enough I remember the words.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're the god.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a lot of sight words.
[SPEAKER_02]: like it's incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the bonding, like it's just, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that helps a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: The homeschooling was a real big deal to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think also, including the family in our work, which you do a great job of that, including the family, because what happens is, and this is a weird reality that I went through.
[SPEAKER_02]: The kids go to school by seven, they wake up at five, thirty, they get dressed, they pretend to be breakfast, they're on the school bus, so you drop them off, they're in school for eight hours, they're in after school for two hours, they're in extracurricular for two hours, they come home, they do homework, they go to sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never get to be that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't parent them, there's no fucking parenting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're so fucking sick of your boss, your coworker, or this or that, or they're coming home in the traffic, and this guy fucking, come beyond them, fucker, by the time I come home, I won't five minutes to fucking just collect my thoughts, Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So then I think my wife says, or the kids do, I'm already fucking aggravated.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're aggravated, too, because they've been listening to the teacher telling them to shut up and sit down and it's just like fucking chaos all day for everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: So by the time you come home, you don't enjoy each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least I didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't enjoy the life that we were leading.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I also have the flexibility of creating mouse casual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I work when I want to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I take the clients on that I want.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very selective about my clients.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm lucky for me, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And my work, like, probably like four days a week solid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's wonderful, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I get to take my daughter fishing.
[SPEAKER_02]: My son's coming down on July fourth from Italy, because he's stationed in Italy, so we're going to spend two weeks together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll take two weeks off, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll just enjoy my family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get to enjoy my wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: So where I live, I'm actually, I'm from Miami, Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: I live like two hours away from Miami now, because it's just more cost effective for so many children.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I drive two hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: four days a week to Miami at work all day and then I drive to ours back home.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where you're made all your clients are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say like ninety percent of my hub is Miami.
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just easy, but guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: The girls come with me, my wife comes with me, the kids come, and then we have lunch in the middle of the day, we'll go fishing between sessions.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how you manage that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I included the family, and I think you talked about this with Larry about how you take your whole family on workations, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if we're going to go to Australia, I'm taking the fucking family.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how you mitigated it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how you manage it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how you make it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think that's more parenting, more productive and more family bonding than an eight to five.
[SPEAKER_02]: The kids going to school, me seeing them on the weekends, but on the weekend, I got a mobile on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to take the car for an oil change.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a fucking pressure, moved up, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're never parenting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see that I live in a, I live in a cold sack and I see that like in the morning where I'm letting the dogs out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just mornings, there's a special time for the family to kind of wake up and, you know, my son, like, loves Bob Marley.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's almost three.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a hell of ass-a-l-x-a-l-x.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we'll just sit there and we'll just usually just fresh fruit and just good vibes, like really set in the tone, you know, and just really enjoying the morning together because once the day starts, it's like, it's like the engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I sometimes don't like the dogs out the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of see all that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's inevitable that, you know, kids,
[SPEAKER_00]: because that's something my wife and I have been talking about is home schooling and the options now are much different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you were saying, maybe for your boys, it was a different home schooling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because even when I was in high school, I graduated in O.C.
[SPEAKER_00]: O.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you were home schooled at that time, it was like you were kind of an outsider.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's communities and groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's tons of, because I, because my professor, my Jesuits professor, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who owns the academy, his, his kids are home schooled.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do, they do like a midday kids thing for just for home schools.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was asking him, I'm like, how does I'm schooling work around here?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he's like, well, it's actually really nice to go to what you were saying is, you know, there's, because I was like, how do they do sports?
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, how does sports work?
[SPEAKER_00]: You go, my kid plays all sports baseball, jiu-jitsu, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you just find, you just sign them up and you find different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't play for the school, obviously, but you have all the extras curriculars, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: All those, like, the private camps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just sign him up and he was just saying, and then you do, because that's what you're saying, it's like, to your point exactly that, as he said, their kids, and this is subjective, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's better schools than others, but they were saying, it's like, a lot of kids are just told to shut up and sit down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't ask questions, don't question anything, and just go with the flow, and some kids are gonna ride that way, even if they're gonna do fine, just kids like me who went in the special ed and had to be removed from things, and like, because I'm just like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just, ADD, just,
[SPEAKER_00]: asking questions about everything, and I didn't follow the norm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was always pushed out, because it was like Tom just, you know, and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting, but I see, I think about that all the time how grateful I am for the opportunity to do what I'm doing, because I see all my neighbors around the same, let's come movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, they get out, and they're suits, and they get into their cars, and they're all going to the bus stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just sitting there and my dogs are pooping, and I'm in my pajamas.
[SPEAKER_00]: See ya.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and how nice day.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard, you know, like so, you know, it's not an even.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it because ninety percent of people who are listening and watching this are in bat and there's nothing wrong with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just there's options out there and it's a difficult path of choosing your own career.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of people that I work with dog trainers, especially want to start a dog train career.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say, man, I love dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love helping people with dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a gift for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know how to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were saying earlier that you have programs or you coach people through.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what are my recent students?
[SPEAKER_02]: Had a jewelry company, she did behind the scenes like management for like uh, gyms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: She did a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she actually one of my clients, trained her dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was working with a dog trainer ready, didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Started working with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had a trainer's course starting up and she joined.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think she's been a doctor in her six months now and she's a full-time doctor in her making morning money and she's a lot crazy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's killing that and she's wonderful that she's a great doctor in her.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your process in that like do you do everything?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're set to make a logo here set to do marketing here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope I help with everything, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool, but I'm not that techie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll tell people, like, I built my website on Wix and I'll tell you to go on Wix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: That student Abby, she has her company name is the better dog with Abby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she actually builds websites.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually revamped my website for my company.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I told them, man, you should now make a second company and do that for while you talk train.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh my god, the more streams of income is much easier than I can because you're great at both.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a beautiful thing about dog training.
[SPEAKER_02]: that if you're good at it, you're passionate about it, you like it and you are actually put forth what's needed, you will be successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not enough dog trainers to train all the dogs that need help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Never will be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there never will be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, like we talked about earlier, I don't care what style, what approach, just help people who gives a shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to use a click or use a click.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to use an e-colors and e-colors.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to do part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's subjective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think your prank call is abusive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think your tool has a place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think your tool has a place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think your tool has a place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, tell me, please, I need to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read this comment today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the only comments I read in my social media ethos is YouTube because they tend to be like people who watch full videos tend to be more realistic and they're more invested too.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're invested.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get context.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I watch this comment today.
[SPEAKER_00]: as they were commenting.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, stop telling your dog to stop giving your dog so many boundaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was basically saying that not allowing your dog to peen poop in the house was cruel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she was saying, you should, she goes, I let my dog peen poop in my bathroom because when she has to go, she has to go, I think it's cruel to make, and I'm thinking to myself, imagine all of us adults just start peeing on herself because our parents said it was, it was cruel to hold it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's subjective and it's funny because if you take that same mindset, because I love telling people you know, you can't have your kick and you need to do that whole expression.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like, okay, well, I think it's abusive to have a dog in that house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's abusive to subjective to that prison.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's abusive to almond leash.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's abusive to feed them.
[SPEAKER_02]: The same thing every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a beautiful night to let them hunt.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a beautiful night to let them go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mark and fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a beautiful, to let them fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on and on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you say it, like, as a dog trainer who, by the way, I'll just tell people who found me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I invited you on the podcast is because when Burley, my dog was gone through and kind of still is gone through his skin issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Use DM to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: this crazy introduction about twenty different ingredients like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, some of this in a mushrooms and some superfoods.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, correct a bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and I was like lots interesting and that's what so anyway, so that's how that's how I invited you on the podcast is because when he was going through that I got tons of DMs which was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the beauty of the community of doctors, people are really supportive.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when Burley was going through and by the way, it ended up just being a low grade.
[SPEAKER_00]: What it was was like a low grade allergy and then it turned into like he scratched himself and then it turned into like an infection anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway things are better great Which is good, but that's how I had in the podcast, but obviously you you know you you create content you put it on Instagram and and other platforms I'm sure like how do you how do you deal with?
[SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like knowing you now for the last You know almost hour I know what you're probably gonna say, but how do you how do you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do address that when somebody says hey you used a
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... a martin gal car on a on a dog and i think that's pretty abusive like do you say anything do you don't but so i'm also yeah it's weird right you have my own biases or my own belief systems right but i'm i'm super open like i love freedom of speech i love freedom of thought i love freedom of expression i love how that right so if you want to touch it touch it i always it at the beginning of answering comments in the past i would try to educate but people just
[SPEAKER_02]: They're saying what they're saying to be educated.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're saying what they're saying to attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it becomes hard, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have this four pillar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of weird things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I believe in four things, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Kill of kindness, I really know that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Counter with intellect, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where I try to educate, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But you also have to ignore the ignorant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when all those fails, I reserve the right tool press.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bam!
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's how I live my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I swear to God, those four, all of my thoughts say the last one again.
[SPEAKER_00]: If all else fails, I have the right to kick your ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have the right to reserve the right to wop your ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's because, and this is great, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In anything, and I like, we're talking about dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Becavers are interesting in humans and dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like to refer to like fires.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fire is funny to me, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because a fire doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: What matters is what ignited the fire, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So how do we extinguish fires?
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody always thinks water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But you have a grease fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't use water.
[SPEAKER_02]: It satisfies it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But people just see fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did that before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you see fire, you automatically think water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I never look at fires.
[SPEAKER_02]: What ignited it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what behavior is kind of, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: What created the behavior?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So if it's an electrical fire, you don't use water either.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a grease fire, you don't use water either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look how ironic, but we think water for fires, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Some fires need foam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some fires need sand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some fires need fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes you have to fire fire with fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is where you have to be able to articulate the student or circling back, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who will my teaching?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do they learn?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they auditory, visual, hands-on, multitude of our three?
[SPEAKER_02]: How do dogs learn?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they a reward dog?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they a touch dog or praise dog?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need a little bit of leash pressure?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need a correction?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need to be subsided?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need to be aroused?
[SPEAKER_02]: What needs to happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need to be praised?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they need to be encouraged?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: That matters, that context matters, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So...
[SPEAKER_02]: Going back real quick, I didn't tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't gonna tell you, but I'll tell you now, fuck it, because you brought up the other medicinal stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanna, I don't wanna forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're a reef, or we feed raw guy, and we feed raw is cool, is shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love other big names, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like farmers, dog, viva.
[SPEAKER_02]: We feed raw, I think everyone's great, just like for dog training, you know how to care what you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what you feed you dog, if you can't believe you want, just make sure it's healthy for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You feed raw, you could DIY it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't matter, make sure it's good for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a raw dog food company.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are some of my ingredients.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I had superfoods and medicinal mushrooms to the food already.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to go through the guesswork of adding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I need turmeric.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I need morning ga.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I need to add ginger.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'd just learn all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I had you on the podcast because you sent me all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to have this guy on because I didn't know anything else about you outside of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that sounds interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: What happened is, since I've been talking for so long,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like you, people ask you who your vet is, what do you feed, what's the best leash, what shoes do you wear when you train, when it also best the order and time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just interesting, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You become like this hub of information.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a big responsibility to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been telling people how to DIY raw for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been like ten years, twelve years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've told people, man, you could just go to Walmart.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had you start, was there a dog that had skin issues, or was it where you live?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what was the epiphany of you going?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna not do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm allergic to dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: The irony of it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm allergic to dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're dander kills me.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hair kills me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're saliva kills me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, my first dog was a German shepherd.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've had my favorite breed is actually the Caucasian mountain dogs, like Caucasian or Avarticus.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're hairy beasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a big Russian.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Russian bear dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're hairy.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like to bet a mastives pretty much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're just big and I can't even pet them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because a dander's too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's too much hair in the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just can't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just like us, if you eat clean, you're clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If the dog eats clean, it's clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: On top of that, when you die wire ironically, probably back in the day,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost cheaper to go raw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I wind it yourself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just more work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not more work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't meal per ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's meal prep companies for humans because we don't have enough time.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not enough hours in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why all these companies we feed raw
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so great because they do all the guesswork for you, you don't have to fucking worry, like just order, ships, bam, I feed the dog, everything's done, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of people back when I started don't want any raw dog food companies, like it didn't exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what people were doing is
[SPEAKER_02]: Kibble, but the dog had allergies.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dog was freaking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's allergic to chicken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's having hotspots everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's whatever it may be.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would tell people, hey, go buy ground beef.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's ground, but just back in the day, like what's ground beef?
[SPEAKER_02]: A dollar pound, I'm like, oh, buy ground beef.
[SPEAKER_02]: Add this, you know, had some chicken heart chicken hearts back in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a cost of twenty cents.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't cost anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd give him a couple of organs, a couple of secreting organs and some muscles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, and if you want to do some bone, add some chicken quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chicken quarters are stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even to today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to Walmart,
[SPEAKER_02]: Chicken Quarter, the ten pound bag of chicken quarters is going to cost you six dollars a bit of decent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ten pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's super cheap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you could give it to them about, I still give that as treats from a dollar.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just give them a whole chicken quarter, I let them not in, break the bones, eat it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll crunch it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They love it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But then also, you know, we have our recipe and we grind everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: We add all the chicken hearts, chicken gizzards, chicken livers, all our other cool ingredients, or whatever formula we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what ended up happening is people like, oh my god, he stopped shedding like by thirty percent and like a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, if you eat healthy and you get nutritional like you meet our nutrition.
[SPEAKER_02]: your body doesn't need to flip out the dogs the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you meet the amount of omegas it needs, the amount of protein, the amount of nutrients, but also the minerals.
[SPEAKER_02]: People forget about that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to add minerals to everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We supplement so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we're all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not supplement phonetic, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I went to the GP the other day for a physical.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, so what supplements you're on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, twenty minutes later, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he's looking him up because he has to like scroll.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know, and he's got a scroll to find it on this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have half this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get well, but you will do you want to hear the funny thing that this I sent you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I call it my earth smoothie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I drink every morning because it's not human-grade organic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I drink the same thing that's in the formula for the dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think makes that drink?
[SPEAKER_02]: Blend it with fruit or you just... So I used to add blueberries or strawberries, like make it like a smoothie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got it in les here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I just add coconut water and I put all that earth in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just... I can whisk it real quick and I just fucking throw it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just my lifestyle is like, why do you torture yourself like it's faster?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it give you energy?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like... I'm a fucking weirdo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wake up like this and I go to sleep like this by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm always like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a hundred miles an hour plus I drink like ten cubic coffee today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But besides that, it keeps me leveled.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I'd like.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no... I have a lot of brain fog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got forty-two brain fog.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, when you're supplement, do you do a tropics and stuff like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do a lot of...
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ, I'm losing my brain fog, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I took it today before I got here, Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember with a name over for life for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I take Alpha Brain because it helps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it does help.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the like the lines mean the Turkey to help so that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got that to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This stuff called, I do Alpha Brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do three of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says take two, but I do three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I do mindful, oh shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: What it's called, what's called, mindful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this thing I heard on this podcast, so it's really, I mean, for anybody out there, because I struggle, I wish I could drink coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't drink it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can, it just gives me super anxiety now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it will, like, I love coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when I tell people, like, people are like, what a, what a, what a buzz kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I love coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the smell of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the taste of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the ritual of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I still drink a little bit of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just drink it with, it's called mud water.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, yes, it's like a, it's a, it's a chai blend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I take every day that's a magic mind magic mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll look it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a magic mind energy and so it's Ashwanda.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, maybe twelve of them and see it's a little bit of matcha and some mushrooms and it's just a little shot like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's not in this like a little bang.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're used to ten Cuban coffees, you'd almost see the jump start your day with that would that would put you to sleep because that's the thing is I started winning off caffeine because I was like
[SPEAKER_00]: So like even the other day Abby and I were filming this we were filming some stuff for like Instagram or something and I just kept tripping over myself I'm like I get so frustrated when I drink caffeine I get super frustrated and agitated really quick when I'm trying to do something like you would you think it had the opposite effect but today we filmed a course
[SPEAKER_00]: beautifully.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Abby was like, what is wrong with you today?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you were like, and it's because I did three alpha brains, which on it is the company for people who are listening and they want to try it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's no caffeine in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually have another, so interesting enough, like the older I've gotten.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thirty six now, but I've, I've,
[SPEAKER_00]: just been really auditing like what makes me feel a certain way right like right it's super healthy to like self regulate self audit like okay that made me feel this way this made me feel this way that's why I've been supplementing so much really into like biohacking in health which is why I got in the raw food with the right right so so what I did is I did on it which is the company and they make alpha brain and I started doing that and then they have the alpha brain uh... black layback yes
[SPEAKER_00]: So I took back, so I'm like, oh, more expensive, it must be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Took it, and all of a sudden I'm like, whoa, I was like, I feel, I feel something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this, looked in it, caffeine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, damn, because I, so it's true, like, when I do, like, again, I, I had my own coffee, you know, bad dog's coffee, and I love coffee.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and I'll still drink it occasionally.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's certain times when I can get it, like, seminars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could drink coffee in the morning, and I can just, because I'm pumping through the day for eight hours, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: like nonstop.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so I'm really sensitive to that, but I've been I've been taking the mindful and I've been taking the on and every now and then it's been one of you see the things I did think is my anxiety comes at night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course because you're all day you're clocking because you got all that caffeine and then at night you have nothing to do because you're trying to sleep and now your brain's like, but that weird mix of the mushrooms and the superfoods, I sleep at
[SPEAKER_02]: A baby now compared to what I slept.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, eight months ago?
[SPEAKER_00]: You track your sleep?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be nice to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been tracking myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been ordering.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got ordering when I travel a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like check in like, oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel great.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I don't feel great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or how did I sleep?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was my heart rate?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was my, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the raw food thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you distribute yourself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we manufacture and distribute ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, is this in a alarm?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there an alarm going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so we manufacture everything in house with small batch, it's just a very small company.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually made it for my clients.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will try it for a week or two and they'll do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where do you put in it?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, what's your, we only have two formulas right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have our chicken formula, which is literally chicken quarters, like skin on, bone on, chicken hearts, chicken gizzards, chicken livers, and then we add our plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: The plus is going to be all our superfoods for Moringa, turmeric, ginger, wheat grass, the medicinal mushroom mix, which is everything from, oh my God, red changa, sotaki,
[SPEAKER_02]: Lions, Maine, Turkey, Teo, it's six different mushrooms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's organic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's human-grade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a little bit of coconut oil and flaxseed, and there is oil.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've only had like, awesome results.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds great.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the person I was just calling me apologies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, her twelve-year-old Husky, allergic to chicken.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had allergies on his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does those shots monthly, because he's just, he's just allergic to everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's on the chicken formula and no more allergies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it's the food or whatever, whatever things people are thinking, but a lot of times it's nutrition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you get the nutrition, I don't care where you get it from.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you get the training, I don't care where you get it from.
[SPEAKER_02]: get it right like fucking get it like what's your other formula right my other phone is called modern mix and we mix the beef with the chicken so we do chicken quarters this is a way smaller percentage and then we does the next ingredients are beef heart then we do chicken gizzard and beef liver so we substitute too that we mix them in there and then we have the plus which is
[SPEAKER_02]: are the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: All my formulas have plus, which is plus means plus, all the superfoods.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The mix also has, I wanted a mimic barf.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because people have, there's so many different like raw formulas or like what models is what did their cod, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have prey model, you have Frankenstein prey, you have barf, you have a mix of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it gets so overly complicated that I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like even for me, it's too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: You do a course online and you like, dude, I forgot everything already.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so much information, like kiss, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep it simple, stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So our chicken formula is prey based, like the prey model.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, you know, big, big to feet, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Which we don't do beaks and feed in us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we keep it really simple for people.
[SPEAKER_02]: The modern mix is supposed to mimic barf because we add carrots, green bean strawberries and blueberries, right, in that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they like dried or so they're actually frozen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do everything has to be flash frozen because we're studies now it shows that flash frozen fruits and vegetables actually hold way more nutritional value than fresh.
[SPEAKER_02]: So blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but dogs are doing great on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's all that matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: We only work in Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: We only, we do free shipping off, Florida.
[SPEAKER_00]: And dude, I was going to say, yeah, we ship me up selling that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll ship you something, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love for you to try it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But sounds great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a weird person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a horrible businessman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just happen to love what I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of doctors I talk to are like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's there's there's different walks of life there's mathematicians there's historians there's athletes there's rappers there's different types of musicians there's there's chefs there's and I think it's the same thing with dog trainers as a lot of us dog trainers really
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're good with dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: We like dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're animal people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have this communication.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have this innate ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: This give and take.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of times we have we have a hard time with the business and we have a hard time with people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're
[SPEAKER_00]: But I always tell people, like, if you're the best dog person in the world and you can get a dog to join a circus by doing this, it's cool, but if you can't teach other people how to do it, it only stays with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of dog trainers are like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear that a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a good business person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, but you figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, circling back to what I tell my students, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we brought something up that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the main things that I work with dog trainers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And ironically, my Instagram,
[SPEAKER_02]: I get more dog trainers out of it and clients, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So they come to you to become dog trainers, you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're already active dog trainers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just want to pick my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: God, I say like, I hate using the word mentor because I think I'm a fucking moron and I shouldn't be a mentor to anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's what the drive is because
[SPEAKER_02]: I love people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I could honestly say, everybody knows this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a team human.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love dogs with my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think dogs are great because they're owned by humans, not they wouldn't be as good, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we have this, this companionship, we have this weird relationship with them, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But it all stems from us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we don't help the human, the dog dies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the dog, the dog fails.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dog doesn't survive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't live a good life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It gets put down or it gets re-homed or gets thrown away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is, the human is the key, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to, that's what a lot of professionals ask me about, because my favorite thing, I love communication.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love talking shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love keeping a casual, like, well, I tell you, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't fucking casual.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely not fucking PC.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I say the wrong thing a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm okay with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how do I deal with people talking shit?
[SPEAKER_02]: I usually eat heart stuff a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because luckily, I'm old enough to know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is crazy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: My opinion is no matter to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really good about that, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know who's opinion fucking devastates me?
[SPEAKER_02]: My wives, my daughters and my sons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your daughter who says one second isn't actually one second.
[SPEAKER_02]: That devastated me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like holy shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a shitty dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck am I doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing it right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to be good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it also enlightens me how to be better with a dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: It helps me better with the client with the owner.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my forte is actually owner communication.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm better at training with people than I am training with dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it highlights that I'm a good dog trainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all my self-proclaimed behaviors, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love seeing that I specialize in behavior, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not dog be, I never say dog behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even, I don't think anything I promote says that I'm a dog trainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your dog favorite uncle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm uncle Jess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never say I'm a dog trainer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kill him that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, every doctor here at Uncle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's your Instagram name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's my Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my company name.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's your doctor here at Uncle Jazz.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how everybody knows me, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it comes down to like what you were saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most doctors have a hard time communicating with the owners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can make the dog sing dance, make coffee and do laundry.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they can't help the owner do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't relay the information because communication isn't a catch and other throw.
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter how fucking smart you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter how right you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they don't understand what you're saying, you're wrong by default.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say to dog owners that are listening right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a final message.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say to them?
[SPEAKER_00]: What would you say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the easiest thing to take away is stop over complicating things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stop looking for what to add to your dog training or to the dog relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Start taking stuff away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep it simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't be scared to try things that you don't agree with or listen to someone that you don't necessarily think that aligns with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's okay because then you could kind of see like, yeah, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: They are fellowship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's half full of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hence we'll go back to if everything you've tried already hasn't worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that's going to work is something you haven't tried.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because all these dog owners, they've used, I'm sure they use a lot of love.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they use a lot of treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they use a lot of kisses in the dog store not listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not saying you can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I encourage you to do it ten times over.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it meaningful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make them earn it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make there be substance and value.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you want to wrap it up, but I want to say this about the coach thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: The coach is circle back for a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting to me that coaches don't give acknowledgment love or recognition.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have a good practice and you're in the locker room, coach always finds a way to come in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Melegae Tommy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice workout there, bud.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just walk away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as he says that in front of your computer, like, what the fuck are the men?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he didn't give you a cookie.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd throw a parade for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave you acknowledgment with real substance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was more valuable than
[SPEAKER_02]: This is weird example, but I will say then grandma making me cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if I go to the soccer game, grandma makes me cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't go to the soccer game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Grandma makes me cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I win the soccer game, she makes cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I lose the soccer game, she makes cookies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't matter where I do, I'm still going to get the cookie.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cookie doesn't really have value.
[SPEAKER_02]: This has nostalgia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Coach doesn't make you cookies, but him telling you, nice work out there today, held more value than the cookie, which is wild to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So start like being meaningful, be purposeful, like two things that matter to you, to matter to your dog, matter to your family,
[SPEAKER_02]: because it's all in one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pack, pack interprets into family and human terms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you're all one, do what you would do for your kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for having me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you want to wrap it up or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got Jesse.
[SPEAKER_00]: My man, where can people find you tell people social media websites?
[SPEAKER_02]: Social media is very easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your dog's favorite uncle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instagram, I was at social media, but website to your dog trailer, don't go.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're interested in learning more about like our food, it's modern raw, modern raw.com or modern underscore raw on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you Tom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for like, man, making the dog community in world be seen in a different light.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because to give you some kudos, if you don't mind it, I'll say, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, time for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you have time for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm talking about baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: But something I tell my my students you're already do and I use you a lot and I will say what you want to try to do is become pop music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the dog training community is too heavy metal with the working guys, or maybe you could say classical music with like the overly positive stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But the cool thing is if you're a pop music, you identify with everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Identify with country, you identify with rock, you identify with classical, you identify with opera.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knows that one, Miley Cyrus.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no one knows that death leopards aren't right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: So be pop music, be more relatable.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay to be in your lane.
[SPEAKER_02]: But don't shun away the people that are actually interested in learning from you because it's not part of the community you've cultivated.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did a great job of being able to reach working on people, regular pet owners, positive correction, balanced, so much so that you're international.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're all around the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And anybody, whether I agree with all your methods or not, fuck me.
[SPEAKER_02]: because you're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anybody that doesn't agree with you, or has a lot to say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're not doing the work that you're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It speaks because people are responding.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dogs are responding, whether they agree with it or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter, Tom.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I remind myself that's what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, fucking real, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, ironically, guys, I don't fucking know this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I said you that damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but I told you when I walked in, you know, my Gabriel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fucking congratulations.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a fucking big fucking deal dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your family, dogs, community, people, business owners, men, women.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're doing a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I mean that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that sincerely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you did, it's like, fuck everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm weird like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, fuck them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to watch me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want to talk shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Matters your wife, your kids, and your community.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're doing it globally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those people have those comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just in their basement.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not global.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to hate on something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't let them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be the villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be even better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love that, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, proud of you, buddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm fucking proud of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing a good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks everybody for listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.