#324 - The Real Cost of Gunsmithing: Why You Should Pay a Pro

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Hi there and welcome to this episode of the Guns Podcast US, one of the world's biggest
gun talk programs.

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I'm your host Brent Wheat and I'm joined of course by my co-host Roy Huntington.

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Thanks for, I already said that.

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Thanks for joining us.

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Let me, okay.

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I know what I forgot, Guns Magazine and Tango.

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Hi there and welcome to the Guns Podcast US.

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I'm your host, Brent Wheat, joined by my co-host, Roy Huntington.

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We'd like to thank you for joining us here on one of the world's biggest gun talk programs
as we chat about the interesting stuff that makes up the world of shooting.

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And I still didn't mention frickin' Guns Podcast, or Guns Magazine, but we'll talk about
it So, okay, coming out of the commercial.

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Well, hello there, Roy.

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How are you doing today?

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Just fine.

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I always ask you that question and you do always come up with something different.

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So that's why I keep doing it.

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But oh well, anyway, we've got a great show today, I hope, since we haven't talked about
it yet.

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But here we go.

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It was suggested by Roy and it was again had its roots in the comments and emails that we
get.

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And it's this idea of when you see something on Internet forums, uh we just have it
drilled and tapped.

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Well,

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That's all fine and well, and a lot of us really know what that is, but a lot of us maybe
don't.

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So Roy, who is a practicing unofficial gunsmith, he's not held his shingle out, but he's
more experienced than a lot of folks in the industry.

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We're going to talk about that today.

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So Roy, it's funny when we were talking about this, you always bring up drill and tap.

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And so we're going to start with that when people throw, I'm just drilling, tap it,
drilling, tap it, drilling, tap it.

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It's not just that, is it?

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Well, I think when people say, because you would, let's say, drill a pistol on the slide
to mount a plate for a red dot or something like that, drill a rifle to install a scope, I

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think in their minds, people either think that somebody's in a garage with a portable
electric drill, and drilling, and then now magically threads appear.

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You know they go get their old Sears craftsman threading kit with half the taps are broken
you know and So so I don't know I mean it's like people they in their mind They see a red

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dot sight mounted on their gun or they see a scope on their gun or they see whatever they
need a hold drilled for But nobody really knows or few people know really what that

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actually entails And yeah

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so go on down that road.

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I've watched you, you tap something.

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I forget when I was out there recently uh on my AMT backup, we were doing something to it
and you had to drill and it's a very meticulous process.

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I've done it kind of the way you said with my portable drill and granddad's old worn out
taps and it didn't work out so well.

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But uh now talk about the professional procedure on how

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It rarely works out.

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What prompted this whole thing though, at least in my mind, and that's what I mentioned to
you, is for some reason people just want to underpay gunsmiths badly.

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And they're always surprised when you tell them how much something would cost.

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Now, you know, I don't do it commercially.

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uh I know hundreds of gunsmiths who do, and I've worked on thousands of guns for friends
and family and people like that.

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But pretty much across the board, like when I tell somebody, yeah, I'll fix your broken
trooper.

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And, you know, we have to buy a hammer and then I'll put it together.

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And if I say like,

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You know, if you took this to a pistol Smith and had him do this, this would probably cost
you $350.

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And I mean, they always go $350, you know, and it, and to me, see, I don't know why is
that any different than if you, if you take your car to a dealer and have it serviced, you

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know, there's, mean, you know, right?

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What's most dealer labors per hour?

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I'm 60 to $120 an hour is labor.

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You know, I have I had one of my cars at a Lexus dealer the other day and I out of
curiosity I said well, you know what it's almost due for an oil change.

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You know, how much is an oil change?

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$350 for an oil change, right?

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And I said, you know, that's a little much and they said well, it's a hundred and fifty
dollars for labor and then of course, you're not paying the five dollars a court that you

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pay

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at O'Reilly's Auto Parts, you're $20 a quart.

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So gunsmiths aren't that bad, but if I was a shingle-hanging gunsmith, I would have a shop
rate of about $65 an hour.

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other words, whatever I'm doing with your gun, I'm going to get paid $65 an hour plus
parts, and then if something else comes up, plus that.

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And I just looked the other day, mean literally just a day or two ago, and a full action
job on a cult single action army, the cheapest I saw was $300.

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And it went up to almost $700.

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And I know why.

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It's because it's not for the faint of heart.

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Well, you just just stone a couple things and there you be fine.

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My buddy does it all the time.

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gosh, they say that all the time.

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Well, I've got a drum.

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Well, can I just polish all the bits?

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know, it's like, no, actually, you can't, you know.

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I mean, it's like if you own a Ferrari, do you try to adjust the valves?

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You know, no, you would take it to a Ferrari dealer.

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And so I think that's the thing I want people to understand here is that most of the
common things that people say

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Well, just bed my rifle.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, because in their mind, they're seeing it done, you know, and then they get home
and they take the action out and they see this bedding in the stock and, know, and it's

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all, well, and you're looking at an all day job, you know, in many cases, because you have
to make sure that the action fits the

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fits the stock correctly.

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And usually if you're going to bet it, you have to take some of the wood out or the
fiberglass from the stock for the room for the betting material.

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You know, have to know how to do it.

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You have to know where to do it.

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You have to know where to buy the product.

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You know, I mean, it's like, yeah, you don't just do that.

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That's like saying, just rebuilt that car engine today.

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Exactly.

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And the people that can just do it are there's not that many of them, but that that's kind
of how people throw it around.

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And the one you already touched on, and I knew going in that I'd have to tell you,
remember, we have a limited time here.

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Keep it to a uh 30,000 foot view, but action job and, both on auto pistols and revolvers.

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Revolvers, in my opinion, are far more complicated.

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You have to be more skilled.

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But even you can really mess up an auto pistol too, talk about people.

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Well, my buddy will do an action job for 50 bucks.

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Well, I bet he will good for him, but I wouldn't want to be around that gun when he's
done, but talk about an action job and what that entails in terms of your time and

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materials.

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Well, it's a really a good question because I do a lot of action jobs mostly Smith and
Wesson revolvers some Colt revolvers a lot of single action revolvers and uh There is on a

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Smith and Wesson revolver And of course, it's situationally dependent because I may get
one gun and it's really sick You know, out of time or it's misfiring or you know who

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terrible ends shake in the cylinder and so you have to be able to diagnose all that kind
of stuff and then you have to Understand what you need to do to repair it

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And do you have the parts?

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Do you have the skill?

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Do you have the tools?

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There's a lot of specialized tools involved.

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You know, it's the only thing like by a lathe that's easy, but you're going to get twice
as much as the cost of the lathe and tooling and a good gunsmith.

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It's not all just like eyeball things and use a file.

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I mean, there are jigs and fixtures and tools and measuring tools and stuff that you have
to do in order to do these things right.

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But I would say if it's just a basic Smith and Wesson action job.

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There's probably 30 different things that I do specifically.

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In other words, there are 30 areas of interest that I address.

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And every gun is different.

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Every gun may require more work here, less work there.

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It may require new parts, you know, and stuff like that.

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So it's not something that you just knock out.

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I mean, if I do an action job on a revolver,

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And it goes perfectly.

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In other words, I get a guy and there's nothing wrong with it.

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It times correctly.

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The end shake is correct.

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mean, everything is there.

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There's nothing grossly wrong with the action.

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I'm still looking at probably four hours, right?

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So now let's do the math, right?

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For say, it's $60 an hour.

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So there's 240, $250 of my time just for labor, right?

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And I know people would say $250 for an action job.

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In 1968, I got an action job done for $30.

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Yeah, well, and that's of course, could you find somebody to do that cheaper?

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Maybe, I'm not sure that I would want that person to be doing that on my gun.

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uh But yeah, I am amazed at how.

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on the forums they throw these things around all the time.

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Now there are people who say, you know what, I would only use this person, his action job
is going to be $340, just pay it, it's the best you'll ever have, you know, and it's like,

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well, that's the idea you have to have.

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So I think there's several layers of people here.

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The ones that understand and are willing to pay for the work done, you know, there's other
people who just want you to fix their broken 22 rifle and they think it's going to be $20,

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you know, but guess what?

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If it takes me an hour, times $65, right?

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So maybe to fix your $250.22, it might cost you $150 or $200.

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You know, I fixed an old pump shotgun for somebody the other day and it was a model that I
had never worked on before.

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So it took a lot of figuring out, you know?

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I mean, it literally took me

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Probably close to two hours to finally track down what was going wrong with this gun.

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It was really interesting.

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And then I had to track down get the parts that I needed, two parts.

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I had to make one part because it wasn't available.

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And then when the parts came in and I made the part, then I had to reassemble it and
function fire it.

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And so, jeez, you I was into this for at least a half a day if you add it up all the time.

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And I don't, it was a family heirloom.

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And I don't know that the gun was worth more than $250, you know.

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Yeah.

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So like I told him I said man, it's a good thing you're a friend But yeah, let's get back
to the action jobs, but the drilling and tapping thing Just because it happens all the

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time and I get questions and comments regularly in our YouTube videos and You know, I have
a milling machine and so if you're drill and tap the top of a slide You know, or if you're

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gonna cut a dovetail on the top of a slide for instance, you know, we'll

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Well, you need to have the milling vice.

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You need to have an accurate mill.

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You need to have very expensive carbide tooling, you know, that cuts what you're talking
about.

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You have to have the ability to find the center.

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You have to have the ability to tram to make sure that it's level before you make the cut.

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You have to be able to find the center of whatever it is that you're looking at.

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And so, I mean, you see, that's not really some skills that a lot of people have.

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And so if you have somebody who has those tools, who has the skills,

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uh Who has the tooling and fixturing involved?

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Who has the experience?

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It's gonna cost you.

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I mean, it's as simple as that.

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Yep.

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Well, I've got a uh related story from this week and I hadn't told you this Roy, my son
called and he said that the dealership called and his wife's car needed a $2,000 belt.

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And he goes, is that a thing?

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And I'm like, no, no.

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So turns out there was some miscommunication third hand.

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What had happened was when the car was in for service, they found a uh sensor to the oil
sensor, oil pressure sensor.

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had somehow gotten cut, don't know if it got caught in a belt or sabotaged.

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They all decided that it was probably the low budget oil change place because where this
on this particular car, it's real close to that.

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And if you're not careful, you can damage it.

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And it looks like maybe somebody taking a pair of side cuts, cut the rest of the wires and
then realized I can't get this special connector and I don't have enough wire to do a

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repair.

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So they just kind of left it and

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Apparently she didn't notice the oil temperature or pressure sensor.

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But anyway, so what ended up happening was and the dealership is a very reputable
dealership because I checked uh there in a very upscale area, but uh they can't fix it.

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There's not enough.

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It's like somebody taking side cuts and cut right at the base of this this uh connector.

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So they're going to have to do it right.

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they're going to have to take part of the wiring harness off.

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So it's going to cost $2,000.

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And after we learned all this, my son had called me and filled me in and he goes, what do
you think?

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And I said, I don't think you've got a choice here.

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It would take you and I, if we can find that wire harness and then track down all, I mean,
we're talking two or three days and who knows if it'll even be successful.

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This is one of those you're just going to have to bite the bullet and let the
professionals do it.

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assuming you know that they know what they're doing, you just got to pay him.

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And I said, and don't look back.

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You've got to pay him what they're asking for the right part to make sure it's done.

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And then it'll be under warranty and all that.

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And I think that really applies here too, that that was one of the points that I wanted to
make because I've been on the receiving end of this.

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Yeah, a guy can fix a gun.

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He may be a gunsmith, a long time gunsmith.

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I've had repairs that didn't repair the problem.

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And that's

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one of the most frustrating things in the world.

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And that's how you learn real quick that the hundred dollar action job is not really a
bargain because then you're going to have to call somebody like Roy Huntington.

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And he says, well, yeah, it's gonna be 250 bucks plus parts.

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And then it turns out you got to replace three or four parts because the guy used his
Dremel tool.

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So the older I get, I've said this many times before, buy once cry once.

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If you're sure that the person and what they're doing is

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on par with professional standards and their price list of which most gunsmiths publish a
price list is on par for those top-notch guns.

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Just pay it and don't worry about it.

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Know you got the work done.

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It's when somebody low balls and yeah, I can do that for 25 bucks.

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That's when the alarm bell should be sounding.

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And like I said, those guns usually end up at Roy's.

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You know, it's funny that people they they hear that they say well $50 that sounds like a
really good deal inside their little voices going I don't know.

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It's I don't trust this.

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It's too good, but then they do it anyway, you know the other thing that I don't know why
people think that That they can work on their guns when they don't have any skill, you

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know or experience but they do Yeah, I mean they do all the time, you know and

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And what can be particularly infuriating is when you, I work on somebody's tune it all up,
everything's dialed in right, you know, and you give it to them and then they buy like a

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wolf spring kit and they put it in the gun on their own.

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And then now suddenly it doesn't work, you know, it's misfiring.

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And they said, well, I thought that, you know, if I just put this kid in here, that it'd
be even better now.

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And I said, no, actually, yeah, it was correct before.

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And then what you've done was made it incorrect.

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But I don't know why it's like King's Axe, like men think, we all are expert car
mechanics.

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We all are experts with everything.

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We're good at mansplaining things.

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And so for some reason, I mean, it's like shooting.

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Everyone who went hunting one time with their grandpa when they were 17 years old is now a
gun expert.

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For some reason I see this all the time the the other thing is that People think when you
buy a spring kit and I love wolf springs I have Hundreds of them.

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I have a lot of their generic springs.

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I used to replace things and stuff but a lot of people think that that's an action job and
And it's not You it's not

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because you haven't gone in and diagnosed no one's polished what needs to be polished, no
one's timed what needs to be timed.

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If your action's a little crunchy and hard to pull, when you put a spring kit in to
lighten it, it'll still be crunchy, it'll just be lighter.

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And it may start to misfire.

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a $25 spring kit isn't an action job and...

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I think before you take your gun somewhere, like if you're take your gun to somebody or
you're imagining I'm gonna have somebody, as a of fact, just this morning, a friend of

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mine sent me a note and says, hey, I have one of those Browning 380 1911s.

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They're real cute, you know?

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I always liked them.

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And he said, I was thinking, could you like mill it and put a red dot on it?

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know, he said, I'd really like to have that.

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And so.

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I just wrote him a note back and I said, you know what?

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I don't know.

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Anything is possible.

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will the slide, is it big enough to accept the base plate for the red dot?

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Is the red dot of a size that will fit the gun?

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you know, I mean, you need to look at, is there enough metal in the top of the slide to
accept being milled?

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Or, you know, and then he sent me a note back.

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said, oh yeah, I didn't really think about that, you know?

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So I think fortunately it died a natural death.

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But when you want something like that to be done, I would recommend that you jump on
Google, Dr.

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Google or Duck Duck Go or one of those things and do a search for how much does it cost to
have the slide of my 1911 machine for red dot site.

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Now, because a lot of people do that and you're going to see, I mean, you're going to see
from maybe the low of $150 up to maybe $500, you know, and, and I think to me,

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At least somewhere in the middle there is probably where I would go, you know, unless it's
something really unusual, but but not the hundred dollar one, you know, uh, I mean, uh,

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yeah, I know I had somebody It was a matter of fact.

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I did a video about it.

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He had a sharps rifle, uh original sharps rifle and he wanted somebody to drill it and tap
it and mount a old style malcolm scope on it and uh, but he I knew him he's like a a

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friend of a good friend of mine here, right

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And so this guy had gone online and the guns, the basic price he found was like $100 a
hole to drill and tap for the scope.

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And he needed one, two, three, four, five, six.

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So $600.

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And so he just like went, what?

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And I had that conversation with him.

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said, well, it's a lot of work and that's a big gun.

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You know, you have to set it up in your vice and fixture it and align it and it's scary
because you're working on a gun.

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You know, this is 150 years old and priceless.

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You can't get another anything if you mess it up.

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I said, so actually that price sounds pretty good to me.

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You know, and so then I foolishly did it as a favor for my friend, you know, but, but
yeah, I mean, it took me half a day, you know, I did it mostly because I was curious to

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see if I could do it and what it was like, you know, but.

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But if he didn't know me, then that was his options.

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And so, yeah, you gotta pay.

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you got to pay.

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And here's an interesting one.

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And I would be interested to get your thoughts.

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Every gunsmith price list, because I went down a bunch of them to kind of prep for the
show, and all of them offer cleaning.

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And people, why would you have a gunsmith clean?

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And I was kind of of that mind.

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And then I also thought, but how many guns, as Roy, you've said, they're a bag gun.

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They get it apart.

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and then they don't know what to do with it.

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So, you know, if it's a single shot rifle or a semi-auto pistol that you're familiar with,
that's one thing.

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But if, like you said, Roy, you've got a sharps rifle that has got gunk and cheeseburger
lint and whatever else in it.

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And you're thinking, you know, this, this might be just fine if it was cleaned out.

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And, you know, that might be a time when a professional gunsmith with the right experience
and tools and parts, it might be worth it.

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to have him, uh what we call detail strip and actually clean down the nooks and crannies
and crevices.

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So talk about that kind of aspect of when it is advisable to pay somebody to do something
that on the surface just seems like a Q-tip full of uh Hoppies number nine, but there's a

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lot more to it.

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Well, you know, that's actually a very good point.

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There's two things here.

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Number one, I can't tell you the number of 22 rifles I've repaired simply by cleaning them
and lubing them correctly, you know, and it's like, oh, look, the bolt operates now, you

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know, uh yeah, 50 years of gunk and goo is cleaned out of the breach area.

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But that goes actually that goes for a lot of other guns, too.

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You just have to clean them and lube them and suddenly everything is all better.

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I think we've all washed our cars, right?

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Yeah, we've all done it in the driveway.

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You wash them.

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Maybe if you're feeling really good that day, you might throw a little bit of wax on it.

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It looks pretty good, right?

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But if you've ever had your car professionally detailed, the difference is astounding.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's like, holy cow.

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Every little tiny nook and cranny is clean and beautiful and

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Everything has been treated with a proper product, you know, and your car is sitting there
just beaming at you.

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Right?

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It's a wonderful feeling, isn't it?

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Well, guess what?

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Guns are the same way.

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I mean, honestly, unless you have the ability, unless you know what product to use for
what, if you have the right tools to clean with, uh you know, you're not compromising.

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Well, I don't have any of that, but I'll use steel wool, you know.

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uh Then...

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You know, do your regular gun cleaning that you do, but boy, I'll tell you once or twice a
year, just take it down to your local gun store.

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Most full service gun stores usually offer some kind of a gun cleaning service.

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You you drop your gun off, pick it up a couple days later, and it's usually pretty
reasonably priced, 35 bucks, know, 40 bucks, depends on the gun.

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But I think the difference will be amazing because the stains will be gone.

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It's going to run smoother.

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It's going to be lubed properly.

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And this is one of the most important points while they have it and they're doing that
they're probably going to do a safety inspection too You know, so you're gonna find out,

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know And when you come back they say, know, well, we noticed your trigger spring is
hanging up a little bit I recommend that you have that replaced, you know, so

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And that was where I was going with this, that a, again, a reputable professional gunsmith
will check, do the safety check.

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And I always loved it, Roy, when I watched guys that did it a lot, do function checks on
revolvers, because they're going so fast.

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I can't even figure out what they're doing, but they're check, check, check, check, click,
click, bang, chick, chick, you know, all this kind of stuff.

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And well, that, you know, the, seems a little out of time.

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It's like, how did you have time to even know that?

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But

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that in itself, there's specifications.

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It's not just that's good enough.

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uh Trigger pull, for example, if it's supposed to be between three and five pounds,
they'll use a trigger gauge and yours is coming in at one point five, which grandpa always

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said it was a hair trigger.

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Well, yeah, it is.

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And that could lead to uh negligent discharges, which can always lead to a tragedy.

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So, you know, it's not just a matter of making sure the gun works, but be being safe.

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So uh talk about the revolver checks that just

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fascinates me.

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you're right and actually brings up a good point which is someone you know, I'll Will say
hey, would you look at my gun?

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think it needs something and as I'm looking at it You do like these little safety checks.

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I check the timing check lock up check all these kind of things.

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You can't help it and Often you'll find something else.

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It's like, you know, yeah, I can see what you're talking about But this also has this
wrong with it, you know that you know because I've held 5,000 of them a good

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case of this safety check thing is a dentist I know.

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oh I fixed a couple of dentist guns right so the word gets out in the dentist community.

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I like to take care of them, they're nice guys.

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I like to do the work that's why I do this.

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Like I said I don't do it professionally, I'm not licensed for it.

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They don't pay me anything more than parts.

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But this guy said hey I have a python and it's pretty good but I want you to look at it to
make sure everything's alright.

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So I said sure.

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and he brought it over here in the garage and I picked it up.

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It was a nice old Python, two and a half inch gun.

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And so I pulled the trigger and it was like way too light.

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You this was like a way too light double action trigger pull.

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yeah.

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uh

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coils did you find cut off the spring?

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I know, no, wasn't that.

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didn't, I mean, he didn't know enough about these guns.

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Plus it's a Python and it's a very complicated leaf spring setup.

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ah I said, I said, does this work?

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And he said, I don't know that I can't really remember the last time I shot it.

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Right.

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So I started looking at it more and more and more.

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I realized that there's a mechanism to prevent uh a firing.

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If you drop the gun, it's like a hammer safety.

361
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Right.

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Well, I looked and it was gone.

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And so that was part of why the action was so light.

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I said, I said, the gun is really unsafe.

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And if you were to load it and you dropped it, the way they tend to drop is they like a
cat, you you invert a cat and when you turn, let go, it always ends up on its feet.

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These guns always end up hitting on their hammer, it seems like.

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And I said, and this gun would more than likely have fired.

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And he just went, really?

369
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But it has like a really good action.

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And so I took the gun, I took it apart.

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And sure enough, somebody had, man, had filed things that you should have never filed on.

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And somebody ground things that they should have never ground on.

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I mean, it was just, it was a terrifying thing.

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I actually sent the gun to Bill Lockridge at the cylinder and slide shop.

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And I said, Bill, this is out of my league.

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Hahaha.

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something else that a gunsmith should be proud enough to do.

378
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You know, you see something and you just say, you know what, I'm out of my, one guy wanted
me work on a Parazzi shotgun one day and I went, nope.

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You know, I am not working on your $50,000 shotgun.

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So, but.

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my ignorance right there.

382
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I know that uh Colt revolvers tend to use leaf spring or they all use leaf springs, but I
don't know anything about Colt revolvers.

383
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I've shot a lot of my own a couple, but my experience has all been with Smith and Wesson
revolvers.

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And that's the one where the gun plumber gets in there with some side cuts and a few coils
off the spring.

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And there you go.

386
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So that's, know, right there, I was, I was really basically out of my league making that
comment.

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oh

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I was out of my league with this guy and you know, interestingly enough a little of after
action report uh Is bill told me that this was this was the like?

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Most complicated repair he'd ever done on a python.

390
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He actually ended up having to reweld and remachine Surfaces inside of the gun.

391
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Yeah, and of course you can't get new parts So you have to buy used parts So then you have
to hope that you can still get them to work, you know, so yeah, it's complicated

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And uh yeah, as far as that, this isn't really talking about why do you have to pay a
gunsmith, but yes, it is also talking about why do you have to pay a gunsmith because a

393
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good gunsmith won't snip springs.

394
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Because people don't realize this, is if you have a spring and the spring is this long,
well, usually uh springs and guns are engineered.

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And so these springs have a certain pressure that they collapse.

396
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They have a certain length of travel.

397
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And all of that is taken into consideration for the action for Smith and Wesson revolver
It's a trigger return spring for instance and those are classic people take them out and

398
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they cut two three links off or you know coils off of them and the reason why that
lightens the trigger post is as you pull the trigger that compresses that spring and as it

399
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compresses the spring And then when the gun fires that spring returns the trigger, right?

400
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So there has to be a string a spring there

401
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But what people do is that when they clip the coils, that changes the overall length of
the spring, which changes the dynamics of that considerably.

402
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So yeah, it works sometimes, but it's erratic and it's not a good thing, period.

403
00:31:40,072 --> 00:31:42,272
No.

404
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Yeah, if you're going to do, well, you can modify a spring, but you do it differently.

405
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For instance, what I do is I.

406
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I chuck it in a piece of drill rod and you actually put it up against the belt sander and
what you do is you decrease the diameter of it a little bit, right?

407
00:32:00,844 --> 00:32:06,796
So that gets rid of some of the steel which lightens the spring a little bit because they
can be lighter.

408
00:32:06,796 --> 00:32:18,681
uh The only thing is though it uh goes hand in hand with, okay, now that's lighter, but
that means now all the bearing surfaces have to match perfectly and be smooth.

409
00:32:19,457 --> 00:32:28,130
Because if you have a lighter trigger return spring and you have a crunchy action that it
may not be able to return the trigger uh Smoothly, you know, and so it'll be catchy and

410
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:37,703
then you have so that's what I mean It's not you don't just drop a trigger return or you
know a spring kit in it really is part of a whole Series of things that you need to do uh

411
00:32:37,703 --> 00:32:44,725
Eddie Janice who has passed away years ago did peacemaker specialists and he was he did an
unbelievable action job.

412
00:32:44,725 --> 00:32:45,605
He called it as like

413
00:32:45,605 --> 00:32:59,897
Master gunfighter action job on 1873 Colts A uh stock 1873 Colts peacemaker is pretty
crunchy, you know from Colt I mean they're like You know you you can feel it and they tend

414
00:32:59,897 --> 00:33:07,184
to break they break springs especially the trigger spring and And that's just because
everything they make them they throw them together.

415
00:33:07,184 --> 00:33:08,145
They ship them out the door.

416
00:33:08,145 --> 00:33:09,346
It's Colt right?

417
00:33:09,346 --> 00:33:13,609
They'll sell them anyway Yeah, yeah, so

418
00:33:13,765 --> 00:33:16,807
What's what was interesting is that?

419
00:33:16,868 --> 00:33:32,040
His action jobs Eddie's action jobs he he basically Re-engineers the way the action fits
together He changes the way angles are he polishes things the way they're supposed to be

420
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,276
polished and And then he's actually had springs made to his specifications.

421
00:33:38,276 --> 00:33:42,889
So trigger springs and the hammer spring uh

422
00:33:43,453 --> 00:33:54,954
and the difference is absolutely astounding and and like he said it not only is it
smoother when you cock one of his guns you think it's broken i think you've had you cocked

423
00:33:54,954 --> 00:34:07,234
the one at my house that i have that eddie did yeah you hand him a single action they cock
the hammer they always look up at you and go what you know but they last forever he said

424
00:34:07,234 --> 00:34:12,873
he's got people with single action armies that he did an action job on that have 50 000
rounds in him

425
00:34:12,891 --> 00:34:16,624
Well, you will never go 50,000 rounds for a stock colt.

426
00:34:16,885 --> 00:34:20,027
I promise you it will be broken long before that.

427
00:34:20,248 --> 00:34:25,573
But I think that's a, in a microcosm, that's why you have to pay somebody who knows what
he's doing.

428
00:34:25,793 --> 00:34:30,037
Whether it's to fix your 22 or drill and tap a hole for a site.

429
00:34:30,244 --> 00:34:31,024
Yeah.

430
00:34:31,085 --> 00:34:41,370
Well, we're about out of time here, but the last thing and this is the closing uh point to
make is, well, I brought my gun in this morning.

431
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:43,251
Why isn't it done now?

432
00:34:43,251 --> 00:34:55,888
And especially when you're talking about the Bill Lockeridge's and the Bobby Tyler's and
the we're we could talk about the whole the top tier, uh you know, tier one gunsmith guys

433
00:34:55,888 --> 00:34:58,739
and uh builders and restorers.

434
00:34:58,739 --> 00:35:00,200
uh

435
00:35:00,634 --> 00:35:04,396
But you're going to wait and you may wait a long time.

436
00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:11,069
Now, it shouldn't take as long for somebody to, you know, clean and look at your gun,
safety check.

437
00:35:11,069 --> 00:35:18,872
But if you're talking, especially, you know, porting and maybe a new barrel and that kind
of thing, talk about the wait time and what people should expect.

438
00:35:19,154 --> 00:35:23,136
And gunsmiths are their own worst enemy when it comes to this.

439
00:35:23,296 --> 00:35:33,807
just talked, I mean, just the other day I talked to a guy, he sent two 1911 pistols to a
name brand custom gunsmith for some pretty basic work and pretty simple work, action work,

440
00:35:33,807 --> 00:35:34,773
you know, and stuff.

441
00:35:34,773 --> 00:35:38,683
mean, stuff literally you could probably do in two or three hours, right?

442
00:35:39,043 --> 00:35:41,804
This guy had his guns for two years.

443
00:35:43,305 --> 00:35:44,125
And

444
00:35:44,286 --> 00:35:54,113
wouldn't return calls and wouldn't anything and finally when he got through and The
gunsmith actually answered the phone it had been almost two years and the gunsmith said

445
00:35:54,113 --> 00:36:05,921
yeah, know, I was pretty busy I'll get to those right and My friend said well, no,
actually just put him in a box and send him back, please you know and And so that's a

446
00:36:05,921 --> 00:36:11,725
shame but but as you're saying if you send a gun to Hamilton Bowen at bone classic arms

447
00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:22,027
You're having him build you some custom gun on this Ruger single-action or something and
he says well, it's about a year out You know, well that's reasonable.

448
00:36:22,027 --> 00:36:35,595
It doesn't take a year to make it to do it but remember that you're entering into the line
of Products that are here is working on now And so, know you he may not be able to get to

449
00:36:35,595 --> 00:36:39,237
yours for four months or six months

450
00:36:39,477 --> 00:36:48,281
Because he has take the other ones, you know and get them up to speed But if you don't
give him the gun now, then you don't get in order, right?

451
00:36:48,281 --> 00:36:54,943
So if you wait six months and give him a gun Well, you're not it's not gonna start work
working on it that day, right?

452
00:36:55,064 --> 00:37:04,097
It's it's six months out and then the other thing it when you're doing a custom gun like
that is Maybe the gunsmith doesn't do the refinishing himself, which means that now he'll

453
00:37:04,097 --> 00:37:08,419
do the metal work Now it goes out to a polisher and refinisher

454
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,110
That may take two months, right?

455
00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:13,050
Three months depending on their workload.

456
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:24,594
uh Maybe he's, Hamilton had one, a gun for me one time and he actually had the factory
barrel re-bored and re-rifled for the new caliber.

457
00:37:24,594 --> 00:37:26,634
uh And so he was doing the work.

458
00:37:26,634 --> 00:37:29,415
He had to send that out and had that work done.

459
00:37:29,515 --> 00:37:33,136
So in those situations, yes it takes time and that's all there is to it.

460
00:37:33,136 --> 00:37:35,943
But if you take your Glock into the local

461
00:37:35,943 --> 00:37:45,739
Gun store who says we have a gunsmith on premises and you want him to put an action kit in
it or some new sites or something like that they tell you six months you should pick your

462
00:37:45,739 --> 00:37:56,645
gun back up put it back in the paper bag and leave the store but if they tell you yeah two
weeks you know maybe a month that's because they probably have a backlog right so they're

463
00:37:56,645 --> 00:38:01,548
working on these other guns but you have to get yours in there so you get in the waiting
queue

464
00:38:01,788 --> 00:38:10,144
But yeah, no and gun like I said gunsmiths are their own worst enemies there and I don't
think they've done any favors To a lot of people because I know I've been on farms and

465
00:38:10,144 --> 00:38:13,816
people just curse some of these guys You know, he's had my gun for five.

466
00:38:13,816 --> 00:38:24,123
Well, there was one custom pistol Smith in the industry who no longer works He's retired
now, but when you gave him in 1911, he looked you in the eye and told you it would be a

467
00:38:24,123 --> 00:38:30,456
eight-year wait Really I know really

468
00:38:30,456 --> 00:38:32,631
It's now, now, now.

469
00:38:32,651 --> 00:38:33,894
it was amazing.

470
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:37,939
But I used to hear from people every once in and say, hey, I finally got my gun.

471
00:38:38,221 --> 00:38:40,644
After like seven or eight years.

472
00:38:41,346 --> 00:38:42,228
I know.

473
00:38:42,228 --> 00:38:43,829
All right, you're right.

474
00:38:44,211 --> 00:38:46,128
We beat this into the dirt, so.

475
00:38:46,128 --> 00:38:48,961
have a real quick couple of things.

476
00:38:48,961 --> 00:38:53,685
uh First of all, we want to hear we say it a lot and we mean it.

477
00:38:53,685 --> 00:39:03,213
A lot of our topics, a lot of our ideas come from either comments off of YouTube or you
can reach out to me, editor at guns podcast dot us.

478
00:39:03,213 --> 00:39:09,358
And we always like to hear what you think, what you like, maybe what you don't like if you
remain civil.

479
00:39:09,358 --> 00:39:12,020
And uh we get a lot of feedback.

480
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:13,491
on how to do things here.

481
00:39:13,491 --> 00:39:15,191
So we certainly appreciate that.

482
00:39:15,191 --> 00:39:21,794
And as I always say, and I mean this in a complimentary way, Roy is the the wrangler of
the YouTube comments.

483
00:39:21,794 --> 00:39:26,156
He gets on there a lot and he triages those for me.

484
00:39:26,156 --> 00:39:27,507
So I certainly appreciate that.

485
00:39:27,507 --> 00:39:30,548
But he, even if we don't respond, we see them all.

486
00:39:30,548 --> 00:39:36,371
uh Yeah, that is fantastic.

487
00:39:36,371 --> 00:39:37,852
So, okay.

488
00:39:37,852 --> 00:39:39,185
Big announcement.

489
00:39:39,185 --> 00:39:39,925
Bum bum bum.

490
00:39:39,925 --> 00:39:42,665
Can you do a drum roll thing, Roy or something?

491
00:39:43,165 --> 00:39:44,145
OK.

492
00:39:44,665 --> 00:39:46,685
Not bad, not bad.

493
00:39:47,565 --> 00:39:53,525
Anyway, if you've been to Guns Podcast US, you might have noticed the website's a little
bit different.

494
00:39:53,525 --> 00:39:56,845
We've talked about this, I think, last week, week before.

495
00:39:57,125 --> 00:39:58,925
Everything is now working.

496
00:39:58,925 --> 00:40:01,005
Knock on wood on the electronic side.

497
00:40:01,005 --> 00:40:06,005
So if you go to Guns Podcast US and you will see.

498
00:40:06,305 --> 00:40:08,085
We've got merch.

499
00:40:08,112 --> 00:40:09,972
We have merch.

500
00:40:09,992 --> 00:40:17,372
Uh, we've had it for a while since, uh, we rebranded his gun pod guns podcast us, but the
stupid thing never worked.

501
00:40:17,372 --> 00:40:21,972
I tried to buy some stuff myself just to check the quality and it works.

502
00:40:21,972 --> 00:40:28,132
Now we've got t-shirts, you know, can you see it on, on camera?

503
00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:28,852
Okay.

504
00:40:28,852 --> 00:40:29,472
That's funny.

505
00:40:29,472 --> 00:40:32,612
I tried to hold it in front of my face and then you can't hear me in the microphone.

506
00:40:32,612 --> 00:40:37,124
But anyway, coffee mugs and hoodies, and, uh, we may add more stuff.

507
00:40:37,124 --> 00:40:48,992
But if you want to wear your guns podcast gear proudly, you can go to guns podcast us and
uh it's kind of serving as, as my personal, uh, junk drawer.

508
00:40:48,992 --> 00:40:53,656
So we'll have everything we do for guns magazine and the podcast.

509
00:40:53,656 --> 00:41:00,280
then I've actually, now that it all works, Roy, and I've got spare time, I'm actually just
writing for some fun.

510
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:06,144
So, uh, anything that, that, catches my fancy.

511
00:41:06,228 --> 00:41:11,029
You need to go out and check the story about the crotch pot.

512
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:15,671
That is an actual product and I investigated it and I wrote about it.

513
00:41:15,671 --> 00:41:24,714
So, uh Roy, I think you probably need a crotch pot for your hiking adventures, but uh we
don't.

514
00:41:24,714 --> 00:41:25,975
Well, I did.

515
00:41:25,975 --> 00:41:27,055
I did.

516
00:41:29,976 --> 00:41:31,036
Yeah.

517
00:41:31,202 --> 00:41:33,924
So anyway, check out Guns Podcast US.

518
00:41:33,924 --> 00:41:38,278
And of course, we always have to say, please go to gunsmagazine.com.

519
00:41:38,278 --> 00:41:40,419
uh Roy was the publisher there.

520
00:41:40,419 --> 00:41:41,500
I was the editor there.

521
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:43,982
They're still in business online.

522
00:41:43,982 --> 00:41:46,044
You can get more of my writing goodness.

523
00:41:46,044 --> 00:41:48,506
And we've got a lot of your favorite gun writers there.

524
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,347
And that's, it would really help us.

525
00:41:50,347 --> 00:42:01,009
You can catch Guns Podcast virtually any place that you watch or listen to podcasts, but
it really helps us and it helps Guns Magazine if you go to gunsmagazine.com.

526
00:42:01,009 --> 00:42:04,717
Click on the podcast tab and you can watch it right from there.

527
00:42:04,819 --> 00:42:08,707
anything else you wanted to add to all of those announcements, Roy?

528
00:42:08,965 --> 00:42:13,711
Now if you have horror experiences from gunsmiths, leave me a comment, would you?

529
00:42:13,732 --> 00:42:20,280
And if you've had very positive experiences with a gunsmith, leave me a comment and who it
was.

530
00:42:20,521 --> 00:42:23,834
And then we'll see if we can give them some positive press.

531
00:42:23,834 --> 00:42:24,395
There you go.

532
00:42:24,395 --> 00:42:25,749
I like that idea.

533
00:42:25,749 --> 00:42:32,044
Well, ah before we go, of course, we need to hear a a short word from our great sponsor
Tango Down.

534
00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:38,133
Mm-hmm

535
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:44,008
so it'll just be me coming out of the commercial and I'm gonna cut that to the front.

536
00:42:45,049 --> 00:42:54,918
Well, Roy, we've also got a special unveiling, so folks need to stay to the end of the
podcast and something you'll wanna know about when we get there.

537
00:42:54,918 --> 00:42:57,100
But check that out at the end of the podcast.

538
00:42:59,534 --> 00:43:01,525
Now we're actually coming out of commercial.

539
00:43:06,532 --> 00:43:08,043
trying to think what I want to say.

540
00:43:10,788 --> 00:43:17,673
Well, thanks again for joining us on this episode of Guns Podcast US brought to you by
Guns magazine and sponsored by Tango Down.

541
00:43:17,734 --> 00:43:22,578
Appreciate you joining us and uh we the audience is ever growing.

542
00:43:22,578 --> 00:43:28,643
And it is truly amazing to Roy and I that who is that actress that famously got an award
and said they love me.

543
00:43:28,643 --> 00:43:30,234
They really love me.

544
00:43:30,234 --> 00:43:31,605
Yeah.

545
00:43:31,605 --> 00:43:32,545
Yeah.

546
00:43:32,586 --> 00:43:36,719
It feels that way every time we we check the statistics and analytics.

547
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,980
So that's pretty cool.

548
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:39,051
So big thanks to you.

549
00:43:39,051 --> 00:43:40,238
uh

550
00:43:40,238 --> 00:43:47,411
We really appreciate the feedback that folks are giving us and your eyeballs because that
is the currency of the internet.

551
00:43:47,411 --> 00:43:51,153
read the other day that uh we're all fighting for attention at this point.

552
00:43:51,153 --> 00:43:55,285
So we are so happy that we've got a great audience.

553
00:43:55,285 --> 00:44:00,517
So anyway, I'll shut up and we'll get on with planning another great episode next week.

554
00:44:00,517 --> 00:44:07,192
But on behalf of Roy Huntington, my co-host, I'm of course, Guns Podcast US host, Brent
Wheat.

555
00:44:07,192 --> 00:44:12,778
reminding you as we do every single week, now it's time to get out there and get shooting.

556
00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:17,927
Okay.

557
00:44:18,578 --> 00:44:19,383
Cool.