Giants extend Bob Melvin, Yordan out longer, Players most likely to be traded

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Speaker 1: As much as Dombrowski decimates farm systems, which I completely agree with, he isn't afraid of looking for guys that are not just rentals.

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Speaker 2: Day three and the final day in Vegas for Foul Territory, full fledged baseball show, lots of great guests again with us done playing poker, flying out after this back on Tomorrow, Friday, July fourth, won't have a live show. Are we still alive? Seventy two hours in Vegas? Feeling a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I didn't gamble, did you? I mean, the poker tournament was all I did. I didn't many hours, No, but I mean I didn't gamble. On top of that. On top of that, no, I enjoyed playing poker. It's really fun. But man, if I was still in today, I would.

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Speaker 4: Be like, how you say poker is so fun because you sit at a table with seven other people and nobody speaks to each other. At the table, they hide their face, they have hat, sunglasses, and then they all.

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Speaker 3: Put their shirt and they just sit there.

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Speaker 2: Exactly how they did it on the team plane with the base.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is our table was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: The table I had was so much fun because there was guys that nobody liked, and everybody else was joking with them. Nobody was like sunglasses, super focused, like we just we had a good time. We discussed hands, we talked about baseball, which I don't mind talking about.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a great time. Sam got two new subscribers to fouts a story.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had fun. I had a great time.

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Speaker 4: But it's just weird to me when the people sit there and at one point, at one point, literally I was the big blind the next hand and the guy sitting next to me, and then he went. They were head up across from each other and the one you have the timer that counts down to the blinds go up. Yes, so they started. It was forty I remember I looked over my shoulders. Right, there was forty minutes, thirty two seconds. And the guy just stood with sunglasses, headphones and a hoodie and he just sat there.

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Speaker 3: For three minutes, oh to get down, just to decide whether to play or not. Right, he just sat there and stared at the guy. Well, and I'm like, guy's already all in, Like you're either going in or or not. Another guy next week.

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Speaker 4: You can say clock no, he called any lost, which I was too upset about.

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Speaker 2: Fun fact, if you say clock, they'll bring the guy over and he says, you have thirty seconds starting now or your hand.

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Speaker 3: Is dead, and he got out. I didn't care, but it was next time. Next time called clock on somebody and I want to see it.

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Speaker 2: We had it twice at our table. One guy called clok then you're that guy, and I don't know. One guy called it on a guy okay, and then later on I was in bob obviously, but then I go all in and the guy who called clock is taking forever and they clocked him back, and they were like, feels so good.

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Speaker 3: And you're like, thanks guys, thanks for sticking up for me.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be that guy. No, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: A J always is at the weird tables, maybe in general in life. So eventually, if you had too many weird tables in life, you have to go, is it.

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Speaker 3: Moving a weirdo that was not tracked weirdos?

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Speaker 4: I'm just sitting there minding my own business, don't I sit down. I messed up like three rules because the rules were different than every other poker turnam I ever played? Like how you had to put your chips, and one time I tried to. I tried to go all in one time, and because I had I had a water in my hand, and Scott's dad came up to me in the middle of it, and I'm like, I only pushed in some of my chips instead of all of my chips.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't go all in.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm blaming my dad for your dad cost me a thousand bucks.

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Speaker 3: For real thousand.

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Speaker 2: Tournament fifty k is what you start with. So one fifth.

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Speaker 3: Of what you know, that's two percent of my net worths not Roberts.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: So I was because he came up.

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Speaker 4: To me and I wasn't and he's like, hey, as I'm like boo boop and people. The other problem is when you sit at these and these people are super serious, which is fine, we all are kind of serious, but the guy was, so there's a I was. I was in the corner, so I would have been like where Scott's sitting, and then there's a guy and then dealer, and then a guy over here. But the dealers leaning forward and they have to put their chips in, but they don't say anything, so you think he just calls, so I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll call that. He's like, no, he raised, and I'm like, well, I don't want to raise or I don't want to call it that twenty five thousand instead of my thousand.

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Speaker 3: He's like, well, you just have to lose your chips. I'm like, thanks, mister Braun.

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Speaker 2: I think I haven't figured out. Kratz and me sit at a poker table and we find someone who's bubbly nice, maybe a baseball fan. AJ sits at the table and he's like, there's a weirdo here, and I Am going to talk to him and find out just how weird he is. Every table has an interesting, strange character too. I just usually don't converse much with them because they're in their own world. I can picture AJ sitting and Dan, why listen.

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Speaker 3: To I don't say anything? Right, you don't say anything? What am I supposed to say? Nobody wants. There was one guy sitting next to me from New York, so we talked, but other than that, nobody else talk This guy, this guy on my left played with batanzas all the time in Borgada.

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Speaker 2: There are many.

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Speaker 4: And then the guy on my right played with kidness. Last time he was here at Aria, so he's like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Well, territory is just permeating. But it was like he's like, oh, how about He goes, oh, you do a baseball show. How about you have this what about baseball poker player? I'm like, oh, who you got?

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Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna say himself and he goes, oh, I played with this guy. He was a second basement. I'm like Jason kitt Miss. He's like, yeah, IM like he's already on our show. Yeah, like come on with someone better, come.

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Speaker 3: Charge.

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Speaker 2: About extension news, the Giants pick up Bob Melvin's twenty twenty six option as their surprising season continues. According to that CBS headline, the Giants announced it just say you know, the Twins have a role where they don't announce extensions for anyone that's not playing baseball. So you had the weird rock Oball Deli situation, which we can get into a few minutes from now, but let's start with San Francisco. Does this one make sense? Year three next year for Bob Melvin?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only his third year. It's only it's third year.

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Speaker 2: Next year it will be three.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, Yeah, but I just think that, Yeah, this one takes total sense. Buster Posey likes him. They're having a they were having a great, great year until old uh Raffie Demers got there, and now they stopped. They started hitting worse, which seems impossible. But uh, yeah, this one makes sense. Melvin has been around, he likes the Bay Area. He makes sense for them.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I just can't believe that he wasn't already picked.

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Speaker 2: Up that he blamed dunk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and we know this is the thing everyone talks about players.

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Speaker 4: How Come no one ever talks about manager contract general managers contracts?

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Speaker 3: Then why aren't they made? Those should be made public too, just like players.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I I couldn't believe he was That's all I was gonna say. I couldn't believe he was lame duck status. It kind of tells you that maybe Buster Posey was kind of like I kind of want to see.

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Speaker 3: What you want to do.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm putting too much into it, but Buster's a new GM. New gms want their manager. He could be like, I can't wait to have Aircrafts as the manager. So I'm waiting to see what you do. Bomel and Bomel, you still got your job. I'm not taking it yet.

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Speaker 2: Think about it. When you're a GM or a president of baseball ops, you only get so many opportunities to blame something on the manager. So now, to me, this means Buster's like, yep, he's in. I like him. He's my guy. If there ends up being an issue and you have to switch your guy, I feel like you get one of those.

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Speaker 4: But you can't have this is only a one year thing. It's not like you signed it to a five year extension. It's a one year. It's a one year thing, and Buster will see where they're at after another year. But this doesn't make him not a lame duck. He went from a lame duck possibly this year, to a lame duck next year. What's the difference. But I don't know why we can't just have all all every person that works for a baseball team that should have to have their contract out there, because why does it?

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Speaker 3: Why is it fair for a player.

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Speaker 4: That every fan knows how much I made or how much Crats made, or how much this guy makes. This guy makes, but they don't know the status of the GM or the manager. That doesn't seem fair, or the team or how much the team makes or any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, it's not a publicly traded company.

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Speaker 3: Besides, I'm not a publicly traded company. Yeah, why does it? Why does mine have to get out?

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Speaker 2: Your agents are giving it away or teams are leaking it.

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Speaker 3: I never told one person how much I made.

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Speaker 2: Then the are leaking it? Yeah, yeah, okay, So the Twins play the opposite game because the Giants announced this. I mean, they don't announce the money, but they announced that he got the option picked up. Derek Falvey, who runs the Twins, he's the president now of the team, said, we never discussed personnel moves for non uniform So what happens? Eventually, Dan Hayes finds out that his option was picked up. The news breaks a few weeks ago. I think it was two weeks ago for Rocco, and it's in the midst of a downfall for the Twins. Fans are pissed because they don't understand how all of that works, and you don't get to control the narrative. It's one thing to not put the money out there because no one else does, and most of it doesn't leave a little bit of it does for the big boys. But to not even say that the guy is now on contract for next year weird. You're just allowing an insider to find it out and put it out whenever he finds out about it.

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Speaker 1: You think Dan Hayes was waiting until they had a little no, do you think he found it?

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Speaker 2: I think he got it and put it out immediately, because you want to be first. Insiders want to be first. That's most important.

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Speaker 3: I genuine they want to be right, but well some of them, some of them want to be right. Most of them want to be first that some of them want to be right, some of them don't care. They just want to be first.

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Speaker 2: But what I mean, if I'm the team, I'm putting that out in the off season, or if they want to control the narrative and say hey, in the midst of their thirteen game win streak, just so you know next year, is too.

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Speaker 3: They have a rule, he said it. They have a rule. They don't. Well, why that's just I don't agree with me.

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Speaker 4: The only time that my salary was ever publicly leaked is when I went to arbitration, because those numbers are publicly put out there, which I don't understand either because somebody leaks that. But when you sign a contract, I mean, listen, I Ken Rosenthal was always calling me when I was a free agent, you're gonna sign, You're gonna sign. I never told him any any number, but somehow he still got it. So that had to come from the team. It didn't come for me ever, ever came from me. It's published too, Yeah, but who gets it? It has to be from the team exactly what.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the agent, I know, I think sometimes as much ado about nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's also like, why couldn't everybody have it? Why couldn't every team, team's manager, the coaches. That's something that teams don't want.

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Speaker 2: To no, of course not.

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Speaker 1: Wait, a coach in the big leagues makes eighty five thousand dollars. How do you even how do you even like pay for I mean the travel, the apartment that you're living in, plus your house where you live, Like they're getting pidlands to live in, like large cities, and everyone's like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Bigley coach, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so glorious.

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Speaker 1: Those guys need extra help because you can't afford to live in some of the cities. On the salaries that some of these coaches let alone like a bullpen catcher let alone, like other like trainers and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously from an hour's perspective, you can't do anything else. This isn't the old, the good old days.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I lawns right before I came to the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they're there in the morning, all day long.

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Speaker 3: We're back.

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Speaker 2: Chris Dale was transferred to the sixty day I l earliest return last ten days of August. Not necessarily the most shocking news that this tweet coming from Grant McCauley, reporter for the team, is on the show often, but still feels like a crushing blow when you get the confirmation that it's still it's going to take some time. He might come back late in the season, but I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be too late.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's going to be too late he can rehab. He just can't come like So if he's real, if he's back in a month and can start pitching and rehab and do a couple of starts whatever, and get himself on pace for late August, you've got a month to spare. I don't know where the Braves will be as a team at that point. He's also not going to get traded. In case the Braves really fell off the map here and they decide to sell in a few weeks. There was a chance that they would trade him. Obviously, it's not happening now. You're not going to trade him when he's hurt. It happens sometimes, but it doesn't happen often.

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Speaker 3: It would be a salary dump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're competing next year, so they're gonna have number one.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to have any lineup pieces that are eligible to be traded because.

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Speaker 2: They want to switch things up. Is going He's a free agent after this year is gone.

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Speaker 1: That was a big bat that helped carry them last year when they did well and they made the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Profar traded. Nobody's gonna take him.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to eat You can't.

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Speaker 3: He can't play the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I'm just hey, I did my hot take a few weeks ago. Profar to the padres.

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Speaker 1: The half the deal. Yeah, I don't know all the deal. So you're gonna play somebody the whole way down the stretch to.

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Speaker 2: Get you in.

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Speaker 3: That's not gonna play playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Why can't they figure it out?

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Speaker 2: They didn't figure it out initially, Well, initially I.

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Speaker 3: Thought it was a hand, a strained muscle. I've never heard of a strained muscle and a hand before. And then they found out it was broken. But they didn't do the scans til weeks later. I don't understand. You're a big league team. You have every doctor, every hospital at your disposal to do whatever scans you want to do. Why didn't they do this from the jump and listen, I've been through this. I broke my hand once and took two weeks for them to figure out that my hand was actually broken and because they had to do a bone scan. This is in the minor leagues, Like, haven't even you know?

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Speaker 4: It was different. This was thirty years ago. Nowadays you can go to any you're the astros. You probably Jim Crane probably owns a hospital that can do the MRI for them. Right get your they get you right in.

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Speaker 3: You do the MRI, do the bone scan, do the you know the die where lights up if it's if there's a break in there, Like I feel like they could have figured this out. Now it's been it's been months.

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Speaker 2: I think something's going on there. There's there's been weird injuries, something like something like that, not like scandalous. I just think there's something. There's something to the story because for a team that's so successful, this seems to be the one spot where it takes a pr hit. He's got this injury. Just kidding, he's got this injury setbacks. Obviously, everybody's body is different. We don't know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, partially due to hippolaws, but this just seems to pop up with the stros a lot. I mean, Chandler Rome's been documenting this pretty good. We don't get this level of crypticness, yeah, from most teams, because he's.

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Speaker 1: Because come up. So because it's come up a lot. He's got a hand thing or Christian Waller, Kyle Tucker last year had.

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Speaker 3: The leg injury.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, because it happens more often.

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Speaker 1: You think they're like, do you think there's an advantage to it? I don't think there's an advantage to it?

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Speaker 2: Or why aren't they just saying what's going on when it was happening, So then then they should say they should hey, we I mean I guess they somewhat said, hey, we totally missed It's well, then you need to evaluate why why did we miss on injuries in back to back years.

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Speaker 3: Nobody wants to tell people what they're not good at.

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Speaker 4: But yes, the Astros are going to tell you the opposite of what you just said, Scott, which is what that they give the information that they're given, and that's what they give out.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. That that part's fine. I'm not blaming the middle the people saying where's that info coming from? And why have there been misses like this? And if there are, just come out and say.

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Speaker 4: Well, Angels had to miss with Rendon a couple of years ago, the same thing.

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Speaker 3: You're not blaming Angels.

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Speaker 4: Remember he said he had a They kept saying he had a bruise, and he said he had a fraction.

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Speaker 2: The thing as Kyle took out that it was really acts.

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Speaker 3: He's hip laws. You can't talk about saying.

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Speaker 2: That's a totally different case, that that's not fair unless I'm missing something. I don't think that they ever said no, Pie's right, he's got it.

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Speaker 4: Why don't we just do like they do in the NHL upper body injury, lower body injury? Why do we have to be so specific?

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Speaker 1: I think I think NHL has actually changed that now, but I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I just think Astros fans get very frustrated. They also have high expectations. They've had a good team for a long time, but the guy can't that's no doubt. They just feel like, A why are they missing? And B why is the info? Sometimes? Kind of how does that change?

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Speaker 1: How does that change a fans opinion of yourn Alvarez. He's hurt, Jordan can't play. Why do they need more information? He can't play? Are you going to make the judgment that, oh, he's soft because it's a hand injury. No, A bunch of tiny little bones and all that stuff in there that sometimes you miss some bones, skin on all.

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Speaker 2: That stuff, No doubt, I know one. Right. So Corey Seeger was it going into last year? Ended up having some type of was it hernie surgery or something really late because they didn't catch it. He was feeling weird for a while and they caught it later. I think he went to someone else and they caught it. This is like the Asters are the only ones. This stuff happens all the time. It just has happened in back to back years to their superstars, and fans are not going to go so in depth on what's going on. They're just i mean social media ablaze or even just step foot in Houston right now and they're like sweep out the medical staff. What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: What about the Dodgers? What about the Dodgers? They got dudes going down. It's like we had Glass now come on and be like, hey, you know what, I probably would have pitched through this, Like we're not talking that way about the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: Like, you win, it saves everything. You're winning, That's what I'm saying. It saves everything.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's a non it's a non story until we find something till Drelik or Ken Rosenthal comes comes up with something that's I don't think drugs allowed to talk to the astros too much anymore. But they come up with something that says that says something like, hey, you know they're covering this up or covering like the padres, the padres, the trainer, he still kept his job.

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Speaker 2: The dude that was hid Was it him he was the one hiding it or was he instructed to hide it?

00:21:26
Speaker 3: I mean that person kept his job. Preller kept his job too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's different. That was them trying to gain an advantage in the I don't think.

00:21:35
Speaker 1: There's I don't think there's an advantage here. I don't think you're losing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying there is. I'm just like, do you think there's anything going on there? I'm trying to play the conspiracy theory game. Do you just think medical staff miss stuff back to back years which did hurt jord On this year because they they were rehabbing him for a different injury. That's a real thing. Oh, hey, you're good, You're good. Do this, next step, this, next step? This. Wait, I'm still feeling off. Oh crap, we miss something.

00:22:04
Speaker 1: Maybe as a player, you know when there's stuff that's going on.

00:22:09
Speaker 2: Okay, then it's nothing. But we'll post this and we'll see if Astros fans jump in with other thoughts, and I'll look for the comments and then we can do a part two. We're back, and so is Paul Schimes. With a new job, he's going to be the best grounds crew person ever because he's really good at everything. You see the little circle that no O Hiles drew up.

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Speaker 3: He was bored. He was bored.

00:22:32
Speaker 2: Well, when you start, you dominate, and then.

00:22:35
Speaker 1: And your boys don't score any runs for you. He's not making connections with the team, he's not hanging out on the and how do you cut grass professionally?

00:22:44
Speaker 3: That's what he said. He wants to do it. He's like, yeah, I'd like to do that.

00:22:47
Speaker 2: When I'm done, you can own a landscaping service.

00:22:50
Speaker 3: So he's going to cut grass professionally.

00:22:52
Speaker 2: Why not? What do you mean? What don't you understand about that?

00:22:56
Speaker 3: I mean, because that's your job. You're a professional.

00:22:58
Speaker 2: Yes.

00:23:02
Speaker 4: When I was a kid, my dad, my dad started a landscaping business.

00:23:07
Speaker 3: He worked at the phone company.

00:23:09
Speaker 4: He went to start a landscaping business and I had to work for him on weekends and I had to cut grass. I was a professional grass cutter.

00:23:15
Speaker 3: So he was already that. So essentially wants to be you.

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Speaker 4: I ain't cut my grass now because I did it for summer and doing it ever again summer in Florida. Yeah no, I am not doing that. It was awful eight hours on a damn in Florida. Then you have to dump the bag. Wow, And I'm talking push mower.

00:23:36
Speaker 3: We're back.

00:23:37
Speaker 2: Look at some things from yesterday Canada Day AJ's favorite the red unis George Springer to Homers. They clobbered the Yanks on a Max free day, which is pretty rare. Max gave up four earned runs and his six innings don't worry. You are still two to one three. But Gospman beat him. So did their offense, George Springer when a seven RBIs so he beat him. Yeah, they've been waiting for this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He came up twice with the bases loaded.

00:24:03
Speaker 1: I was so hoping he was gonna three dangers, two Grand Slams in a game that would have been but decide for a rocket in.

00:24:09
Speaker 2: The gap, one game away from first place race one and a half a month. Aguy Burns like, well, that race is already over.

00:24:17
Speaker 3: There's one race. There's two races that are over right now. In the divisionals, are.

00:24:22
Speaker 2: You gonna say NL West Central Central is done?

00:24:26
Speaker 4: A Central NL West is done. Padres are eight and the Giants are nine. But they're not catching Okay, they're not making that up. And the other one you can almost call is the Astros in the in the Al West. There's seven games up.

00:24:39
Speaker 2: Right, they're losing a lot of I know what they keep winning they do right now.

00:24:42
Speaker 4: But as long as they have fromber Hunter Brown and Colton, Gordon's been a revelation for him and they have that back into the bullpen.

00:24:51
Speaker 3: They can pitch, they can out pitch teams. Their games are only seven long.

00:24:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big game.

00:24:55
Speaker 3: They cost.

00:24:57
Speaker 2: Wait what acqua Josh Hater a couple of years ago was a good idea when no one else wanted him. Nobody else wanted.

00:25:05
Speaker 3: Him really expensive.

00:25:06
Speaker 2: It's true. I mean we've had his agent on who is now retired from that world. He was like, nobody wanted him.

00:25:12
Speaker 4: Scott, I know you hate this stat, but this is a pretty amazing This is a telling stat. Al Central Tiger's twelve games up. They're the only team of the positive one directial.

00:25:25
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00:25:54
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll kick out some players there, Gutty.

00:25:56
Speaker 2: I think all Contra, that's not obvious.

00:26:00
Speaker 4: But he's under contract, Super Team, super Team, Friendly Country. If I'm if I'm Bendix, I'm thinking about maybe I keep him and at least have one guy.

00:26:10
Speaker 3: People have heard of.

00:26:12
Speaker 1: They've got some strong they've got some strong young pictures that people don't know about.

00:26:16
Speaker 2: He's got what two seasons after this.

00:26:17
Speaker 1: Contract, twenty seven? There's I mean, there's another option for twenty seven.

00:26:21
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you're the Mirlins, do you feel like you're competing by then? Actually? Maybe, I mean.

00:26:26
Speaker 3: If the people pitchers stay healthy.

00:26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, Edward Cabrera is having a great year.

00:26:32
Speaker 3: Jump boy jumps junk m hm meyer.

00:26:37
Speaker 2: So you think they should hold on to him, Well, they don't care what you think.

00:26:40
Speaker 3: They don't.

00:26:40
Speaker 4: If if everybody in the world thinks they're gonna hold onto a guy, guess what they're gonna do. He'll be on the first boat to wherever the next stop is, because it's just.

00:26:49
Speaker 3: What they do.

00:26:50
Speaker 2: What about Edward Cabrera, he has a list?

00:26:52
Speaker 3: Why not hold on to him?

00:26:54
Speaker 2: He's not making much money yet.

00:26:57
Speaker 3: It's already had it Tommy johnes, so he's good for a while.

00:27:00
Speaker 2: He's had a lot of injuries seven times on the IL from twenty twenty one through twenty twenty four, including three shoulder and pingement issues.

00:27:06
Speaker 3: But that also scares scares a lot of teams.

00:27:08
Speaker 2: It scares a lot of teams, but it might scare his own team, who's thinking he's having a career year.

00:27:13
Speaker 4: On this list the ones that makes sen Mitch Keller, I don't think he's going to get traded because the Pirates again, they're just he's a team friendly deal they're going to hold on.

00:27:19
Speaker 3: I disagree. I think I think he needs for sure effln expiring contract.

00:27:24
Speaker 2: For sure if he's healthy.

00:27:25
Speaker 4: If he's healthy, But and then the two diamondback guys, it depends how they play in the next ten days.

00:27:30
Speaker 2: Correct.

00:27:31
Speaker 3: But Dag Gallup dealt last night.

00:27:32
Speaker 2: I disagree with you on Mitch Keller. I don't think he's definitely getting traded, but I do think the Pirates will shop him. There is no owner in baseball who goes more off of how much are we making this year? And they are not going to make nearly as much as they thought. For the commenters that are holding hands with owners all the time, I'm just giving you the actual details of how this works. Bob Nutting has a budget, so this is a way for them to significantly trim from that budget, and this is the position of strength for them. Trade Mitch Keller, open up a little money for the position player side, and also maybe get yourself a position player prospect or too, because they have a lot of work to do on the position player front. I don't think it's a crazy thought. He's making fifteen mil this year, which is twenty percent of their opening day payroll, sixteen and a half million next year, eighteen and twenty seven, twenty million in twenty twenty eight, and he does not have a no trade clause. If there's a time, this could be at plus big athletic could have another year like Garrett Cole did, like Tyler Glass now did. Performance wise.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: No, I guess, okay, okay, if somebody sees something in him, yes that's the team that's maybe he's a.

00:28:44
Speaker 4: Five hundred pitcher, because isn't he kind of around he's too inten this year, which he's too inten.

00:28:48
Speaker 1: But the big thing, the glaring thing, is to strikeouts for nine. Yeah, he's got seventy seven k's in ninety nine innings. You know who needs that? You know who needs that?

00:28:57
Speaker 3: It's the innings.

00:28:58
Speaker 1: Teams that don't have guys who go long. They could trade for him, but you look at his salaries that are coming up next year. No chant Bob Nunny wants to have another pitcher who is too and ten because he'll look at that and say it he was to to ten on his roster. That's taking up twenty percent of his salary.

00:29:19
Speaker 3: No way, he just passed the threshold.

00:29:21
Speaker 1: Nothing, just passed the threshold of paying somebody ten million dollars when he gave Key Brian Hayes a few years ago a front laden contract that paid the first player to play for ten million dollars a year under the Pirates.

00:29:35
Speaker 3: Now he's changed that.

00:29:36
Speaker 2: This is a backloaded contract, and yes he will.

00:29:40
Speaker 1: He does not want that around. The only way he doesn't get moved is if the value is not out there.

00:29:45
Speaker 3: And Pirate fans, I'm sorry.

00:29:47
Speaker 1: The history says they ain't getting anybody good because they're not willing to eat any of that money. So you were going to choose from a lower tier of players. That's why they went and got you know, you know, got Musgrove, they got blanket on the other guys they got for like Garrett Cole, for Tyler Glass. Now they got fleet, they get they got Chris Archer at the end of his career. They gave up. They gave up Boss. They gave up Glass now in the same deal, like, sorry, they're not going to because to get something good back you have to be willing to eat some of the contract, and they won't.

00:30:23
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna be a dope, but I think the more I think, the more interesting guys on this from the Pirates is Bednar and Dennis Santana. Okay, so's Ben there, let's not forget for the start of the year in the minor leagues, he got optioned to Triple A. Now he's been perfect and save opportunity.

00:30:36
Speaker 2: Well he got optioned after a week. Yeah, just clarifying for this.

00:30:41
Speaker 3: He's he was in the minor leagues this year, Yes, but he's been perfect and saved.

00:30:46
Speaker 4: Santana is good. But also the here's the problem that you have with all these guys. The Pirates are playing better, okay, and and and Nutting is gonna look at that and say, oh, maybe we can build some for next year. I'm gonna cut the payroll because this is what we have and we could be better because we were sixteen and fifteen or whatever it is in their.

00:31:03
Speaker 3: Last thirty one game.

00:31:03
Speaker 4: So they hired Don Kelly, right, But those two are more interesting to me because there's a lot of teams out there that can use a reliever.

00:31:12
Speaker 2: I think they'll both get traded.

00:31:13
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't see Mason Miller. He's not getting traded. I'm sorry. Felix Bautista could, Hellesley could, class A, could two twins, guys could.

00:31:23
Speaker 3: Bednor's gone.

00:31:26
Speaker 2: I'm a hard no on Felix Bautista. I think there's a pr battle going on in Baltimore right now. They've got pitchforks. This is a player who costs a million dollars this year and he's under control for I think at least two more years after this. Are you competing next year and he's on fire in the past month. Isn't this your closer?

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Yeah? Mason Miller to me is not going either. No, he's always They always put him out there. No chance.

00:31:48
Speaker 2: Chapman's gone if the Red Sox aren't in it by then. True, he always gets dealt at the deadline, hired gun two months.

00:31:54
Speaker 1: But Dennis Santana and bed Noor are both gonna be five plus service year guys after this season. You're getting a year and a half. This is prime pirates candidate. They're both pitching well, Dennis Santana's come back from the trying to hit a fan thing.

00:32:10
Speaker 3: But hey, you know what these two That's why I think Santana's pretty likely to go. Plus course is a bad pr of that.

00:32:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, law of averages. He's not going to do that again.

00:32:19
Speaker 4: Yeah true, But still still position players like Ryan O'Hearn to me, is gone gone, Uh Suarez, It depends how they do the next ten days.

00:32:30
Speaker 3: Mullin's probably gone. Saz is gonna be a huge pickup, right Naylor to me again, the diamondback guys.

00:32:37
Speaker 4: To me, it's all about like how they do in the next week or so, because then they have to make a decision by the also break, What are we doing when we enter? We out Luis Robert Jr. We've talked about it. He has no value right now. What do you get great? I want to trade Louis Robert Jr. He's hurt and he sucks when he plays. He's hitting one to eighty or whatever.

00:32:52
Speaker 3: He's sitting.

00:32:52
Speaker 2: They held him too long. What about Brian Reynolds.

00:32:56
Speaker 3: I think would love to get rid of him. His first one hundred million dollar guy. I know, But is they gonna get enough insured without a eating money. Probably not.

00:33:03
Speaker 1: I don't think he's in that window of somebody that'll get rid of and you have to have somebody in your lineup.

00:33:10
Speaker 3: Why would the Guardians trade Stephen Kwan. I don't know.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: That one. To me awesome, that's deeper down on the list, But I don't know.

00:33:15
Speaker 3: Bregman is not going to get traded.

00:33:17
Speaker 4: I don't think because they're gonna the Red Tucks are gonna want to bring him back next year. Usually you don't trade a guy and then bring him back. It very rarely happens.

00:33:23
Speaker 3: His role as Chatman's like one of the only guys in the history of the world as it had it happened.

00:33:27
Speaker 2: If Bregman comes back and hits, they could deal him. He's a free agent. If he comes back and looks good.

00:33:33
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, because you're not getting anything when he opts out, because he's going to opt out, whether they're resigning him or not. Maybe they are like, hey, we got rid of Dever's, we're gonna resign him now.

00:33:44
Speaker 2: Last one at the end of this list, Castanas.

00:33:49
Speaker 3: I think his name was just there because it was in the Kyle Tucker stuff in the offseason.

00:33:54
Speaker 2: That means they were willing to deal him, right.

00:33:57
Speaker 3: But the Phillies don't have enough outfielders as it is.

00:33:59
Speaker 1: So I think the only way it happens is if they get something like a Mullins.

00:34:05
Speaker 3: Mullins or even Mullins upgrade from cass No, not to me defensively, but defensively, but okay, say Casios play right and you have you know, the guys that are left in center, and Castianos is right, it's not. I mean, he's not great, but he's not He's not the good to kill you up.

00:34:22
Speaker 2: They think he's killing them, Yes, they do.

00:34:25
Speaker 1: Statistically they think that Brandon Marsh, Johann Rojas, and Max Kepler are better than the combination of Nick Costianos, Rojas and Marsh.

00:34:37
Speaker 2: And if you replace Rojas with Mullins, you upgraded the bat and you're still putting an elite and is.

00:34:44
Speaker 1: Still gonna be on the roster because he's the fourth to go out there in Celia base if you need one in a game.

00:34:49
Speaker 2: That's fourth.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: The play that I could see is if they got rid of Costianos in like and they were able to pick up like a Bednar Reynolds combination from the Pirates, where you have somebody to fill in. As much as Dombrowski decimates farm systems, which I completely agree with, he isn't afraid of looking for guys that are not just rentals.

00:35:14
Speaker 3: He'll look for rentals.

00:35:15
Speaker 1: But I mean a guy like Reynolds could fit into the future of their organization. And I think a guy that's not been on a winning team, not been on like a competitive team, with his pedigree, with his what I think his talent is as a switch hitter, I think he could fit really well there. And the Phillies aren't afraid of picking up a contract because they're not going to re sign real Muto, Costianos, and Schwarber all next year.

00:35:44
Speaker 2: And for the Phillies, that's not a heavy contract. And I know what most runt offices look at these days. That cast page is by the.

00:35:52
Speaker 4: Wait if Casis gets traded to the Pirates, No no, no, no, no, not.

00:35:55
Speaker 2: Too he might, but he's just saying they could Reynolds.

00:36:00
Speaker 4: No, I know, but I mean, they got to trade somebody to the pirates and there's a salary off set.

00:36:04
Speaker 2: But the Pirates don't want him, they want prospects.

00:36:07
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, if you have to get into that with a salary off set, then maybe the Pirates could turn and send him somewhere else. But if he if he has to go to it'd be like Mike Piazza and Mike Piazza went to the Marlins for like okay, like there would probably be a revolution if castianis walked in and put on the pirate's uniform for like five days.

00:36:23
Speaker 1: You evolution, No heirs in like four hundred and six games or something.

00:36:30
Speaker 4: Listen, he just doesn't have great range, but he doesn't like except for the ball where he he ran and the ball went behind him and then it was like a triple like the air. I'm not saying it's an error, but he's not.

00:36:40
Speaker 3: Listen. He makes the place, yes.

00:36:43
Speaker 1: He does, but you have better options to put in his place when the game is on the line, like a lot of good players. When I played for with Lorenzo Cain in two thaty fourteen, they moved Lorenzo Kine to right field and put Jeron Dice in in center field. This is a future gold Glover that they would move because it was a better overall option.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: But you're talking about two guys that rank super super high in front office analytics on defense and then for Castianos, that was part of the little battle this year is he's minus nine outs above average one percentile outfielder, which for most front offices means I don't want you in the outfield anymore. And that's part of the battle. I'm just telling you what they're saying. Yeah, he plays better than the playoffs in the outfield. He said it himself. But whatever, we'll see it's in the too. He does good debate anyway. This one was powered by Perfect Inning twenty five. Go get yourself MLB Perfect Inning twenty five on your mobile device. It is free. If you're looking at the screen right now, you can scan it, give it a shot. Play ball with Gean Carlo and the rest of the big time sluggers on the game experienced the thrill at the real time PvP Baseball game in MLB Perfect Inning twenty five. Kraft, I am actually in the market for a new car. Yes, wow, a huge car up north, so I could drive very far to todd father studio and to my house and to your house.

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00:38:51
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00:38:59
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00:39:01
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00:39:09
Speaker 2: And now a real spot.

00:39:11
Speaker 4: Uh, it's going to Wrigley in a couple of years, which would be fun.

00:39:14
Speaker 3: Philly next year, next year. Have been in Baltimore in a while.

00:39:18
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00:39:23
Speaker 4: They just did Dodger Stadium San Diego, wasn't there long ago. They're pretty much crushing it. I mean that the Yankee Stadium is always a good one. Boston's always, Boston's been a while.

00:39:33
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00:39:37
Speaker 4: Kind of like Wriggly because there's stuff not Yankees here in New York. So you can have great stuff, right, Chicago, you have Wrigley Villain. It's a great time. Right, It's kind of like Boston, your Fenway. It's a great time.

00:39:48
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00:40:09
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00:40:17
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