Caddyshack ('80) or Happy Gilmore ('96)?!

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing, man, I'm doing great. Thank you
<v Speaker 2>so much for having me excited to talk these iconic fils.
<v Speaker 1>We are here to compare to golf movies from quite
<v Speaker 1>a distance. Apart from one from nineteen eighty and one
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen ninety six, celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary, we
<v Speaker 1>are comparing Caddyshack with Happy Gilmore.
<v Speaker 3>I know it's going to be amazing. These are some
<v Speaker 3>of the most quotable fun sports golf movies of all times.
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<v Speaker 1>is a podcaster. He is experience in film, he has
<v Speaker 1>comedy experience, and his podcast deals with sports. It's kind
<v Speaker 1>of this fantastic combination of comedy and sports where he
<v Speaker 1>finds folks who are funny, but instead of talking to
<v Speaker 1>them about their comedy stuff and their film stuff, he
<v Speaker 1>talks to him about their sports teams.
<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Yeah, sports Fire is the name of
<v Speaker 1>that podcast. You need to check it out. Adam, tell
<v Speaker 1>us more about that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny. Sport Fires started as like a sports
<v Speaker 2>comedy Bang Bang. It was a pretty straight and easy pitch.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'll get buddies on. I'm in some
<v Speaker 2>comedy groups shout out rad Motel sketch comedy, and shout
<v Speaker 2>out to sort of best friends sketch comedy as well.
<v Speaker 2>They've been great friends and they've been very helpful in
<v Speaker 2>the early stage of the podcast. But I was like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it would be great if eventually, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it would be a dream if it evolved into more
<v Speaker 2>famous comedians and more notable guests. Maybe some of them
<v Speaker 2>want to play characters. I can collaborate with them and
<v Speaker 2>write some bits and stuff. And then within like a month,
<v Speaker 2>I had Heidi Gardner from SNL who wanted to come
<v Speaker 2>on and do an interview. Had Rob Wriggle, had Eric Legrahand,
<v Speaker 2>the Rutgers star who was paralyzed and is now an
<v Speaker 2>advocate for disabilities. So just some absolutely mind blowing guests
<v Speaker 2>that I never expected i'd have so soon. So now
<v Speaker 2>it has become a comedy, sports interview, sketch hybrid podcast
<v Speaker 2>quicker than i'd anticipated. But you guys like all the
<v Speaker 2>things that I just said, And if you like Happy
<v Speaker 2>Go More and caddysheck, you might like sportfire Man.
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome, it really is. And you also are a
<v Speaker 3>Yankees fan. You got a Yankees podcast for us?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the best team in the world. Seconds before this
<v Speaker 2>pod record, it's called the yanksco Yard Podcast. If you're
<v Speaker 2>a Yankee fan. Actually, if you're a Yankee fan, I'd
<v Speaker 2>recommend not listening because they're five and seven and have
<v Speaker 2>terrible pitching. If you're a Boston Red Sox fan, three
<v Speaker 2>times a week, you get a delightful time Yankee fans
<v Speaker 2>who've been sentenced directly to a chamber of hell to
<v Speaker 2>talk about the worst team in baseball Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Okay, So I just came from like a
<v Speaker 1>fight with my wife that was epic. You have come
<v Speaker 1>from a family tragedy with a car that breaks down
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it, and you have come fresh
<v Speaker 1>off a loss of your favorite sports team. So this
<v Speaker 1>should be a hystericis.
<v Speaker 2>Episode Mine is a clear number three that it's not club.
<v Speaker 1>So nineteen seventy we have a guy named Doug Kenny
<v Speaker 1>who becomes an editor on the Harvard Lampoon. Now, from
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy to nineteen eighty, there's kind of a revolution
<v Speaker 1>that's going on in the comedy world. You've got Harvard
<v Speaker 1>Lampoon that ultimately will become National Lampoon, right, and you've
<v Speaker 1>got what has been building up for the ten years
<v Speaker 1>before Second City Television, which is going to produce a
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of guys who are going to become the
<v Speaker 1>face of comedy in the nineteen eighties. So back to
<v Speaker 1>Doug Kenny, one of the writers and producers on this movie.
<v Speaker 1>He gets finished with colle He doesn't want to go
<v Speaker 1>onto law school, which is what his parents want him
<v Speaker 1>to do, and so he convinces his friend who's gotten
<v Speaker 1>into law school not to do it, but to instead
<v Speaker 1>make a national magazine out of the Harvard Lampoon and
<v Speaker 1>for it to be a national magazine, they changed the name.
<v Speaker 3>To National Lampoon.
<v Speaker 1>There you go, and surprisingly not many magazine companies want
<v Speaker 1>to go with two upstart kids right out of college
<v Speaker 1>and then five years their political commentary, their weird humor.
<v Speaker 1>It makes some iconic in the comedy world, in the
<v Speaker 1>written comedy world, and they end up selling the National
<v Speaker 1>Lampoon for millions of dollars. And so at just twenty
<v Speaker 1>something years of age, Doug Kenney is now a multi millionaire.
<v Speaker 1>Good thing he did into law school.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really, it's unmitigated genius, those National Lampoon guys. If
<v Speaker 2>you've got people from overseas like Tony Hendra, you've got
<v Speaker 2>and Beats who just passed away. One of the original
<v Speaker 2>Acnel writers was a writer on that staff. And then
<v Speaker 2>they start like sort of importing people from the Second
<v Speaker 2>City mixed for their radio show. So you've got Murray Ramis,
<v Speaker 2>Gilda Radners doing cameos. They do the Lemmings Show and
<v Speaker 2>they take it on tour, which is where Belushi first
<v Speaker 2>did Joe Cocker And like a lot of the stuff
<v Speaker 2>you liked from the first couple seasons of SNL, So like,
<v Speaker 2>if I could time travel back to one melting pot,
<v Speaker 2>it's probably that early National Lampoon Room, because it's everybody
<v Speaker 2>from SNL before Lauren Michael started poaching them one by one, right, So.
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Michaels is a key ingredient there. Lauren Michaels had
<v Speaker 1>been doing comedy television in Canada and he came to
<v Speaker 1>NBC to do this kind of weird sketch variety comedy show,
<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing going on on TV that back then,
<v Speaker 1>Like the place they got at thirty Rock was cheap
<v Speaker 1>because they couldn't find anybody to lease the place. And
<v Speaker 1>so in October eleventh, nineteen seventy five, exactly one week
<v Speaker 1>after I was born, the first episode of Saturday Nut
<v Speaker 1>Live goes on the air.
<v Speaker 3>By from New York It's Saturday.
<v Speaker 1>Not. One of the guys in that original cast set
<v Speaker 1>was a guy named Chevy Chase, and Chevy had met
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Michaels in line at like the movies or something.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was a very random meeting. So Lauren
<v Speaker 1>had convinced him to join, wanting him to be a writer,
<v Speaker 1>but he wanted to be on the screen, and so
<v Speaker 1>they put together their first improv set before they start filming,
<v Speaker 1>and people are kind of funny, but Chevy is hysterical
<v Speaker 1>and it's because he falls down. Because something that's universal
<v Speaker 1>through comedy is physical comedy. If you think of some
<v Speaker 1>of the old stuff, like if you watch comedy from
<v Speaker 1>the fifties and the forties, it's not usually funny unless
<v Speaker 1>it's the physical comedy. You go back to Charlie Chaplin,
<v Speaker 1>evenhen you couldn't hear it, he was still funny because
<v Speaker 1>it was physical comedy. And Chevy nailed that. And so
<v Speaker 1>he gets in front of the camera and then they
<v Speaker 1>put him in the news spot. So he says, well,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm gonna say my name is you know,
<v Speaker 1>Walter Crankkite or something like that, and Lawrence Michaels is like, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 1>just say your name. Just go ahead and say your name,
<v Speaker 1>and then you do the news. Could you think I'm
<v Speaker 1>Chevy Chase and you're not tough, and because he said
<v Speaker 1>his own name, he became the most famous, well known
<v Speaker 1>guy on Saturday Night Live.
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a fake name, right right right, He sounds
<v Speaker 2>like a bit.
<v Speaker 3>His real name is Cornelius Crane Chase, and so his
<v Speaker 3>granddad gave him the nickname Chevy.
<v Speaker 1>So he performs on that in the first cast group.
<v Speaker 1>After one year, this crazy comedy sketch wins an Emmy,
<v Speaker 1>and he is the only actor who wins an Emmy
<v Speaker 1>for his performance on the show, like the show itself wins.
<v Speaker 1>And then he wins, and then he decides I'm big enough,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go ahead and go out on my own,
<v Speaker 1>and so he leaves the show.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, and he is replaced by this guy named Bill Murray.
<v Speaker 1>Also a Second City guy. Wasn't funny whenever he first
<v Speaker 1>got on the show, like it was. Really he was
<v Speaker 1>really a bad replacement for Chevy Chase, which is ironic
<v Speaker 1>considering how I think they both ultimately turned up.
<v Speaker 2>I mean to be fair, though, if you think you're
<v Speaker 2>replacing Chevy Chase with Bill Murray, your expectations are different
<v Speaker 2>than if you're like, I'm ready to watch anybody and
<v Speaker 2>make me laugh, because like you've got this buttoned up
<v Speaker 2>news guy president Gerald forod and you're replacing him with like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, cock eyed, messed up hair character embodying Bill Murry.
<v Speaker 2>It's a totally different ride.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>The interesting thing before we go too much for that
<v Speaker 3>and we'll talk about this more later. But Chevy Chase,
<v Speaker 3>when he left, there was some resentment from the cast
<v Speaker 3>to Satura Night Live. They felt like, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 3>we built this thing up to something really great and
<v Speaker 3>there you go, you're off making movies. And he came
<v Speaker 3>back to co host the show in nineteen seventy eight
<v Speaker 3>and kind of full of himself, kind of a jerked everybody,
<v Speaker 3>kind of like, hey, everybody, I'm out making millions of dollars.
<v Speaker 3>You guys are still stuck here. Bill Murray, his replacement,
<v Speaker 3>sort of became the avenging angel of the cast, and
<v Speaker 3>they got in a fistfight backstage that would come into
<v Speaker 3>play later when they're shooting Caddyshack.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they didn't get along rule well for that time period.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 3>I believe Chevy called him pitface.
<v Speaker 1>That's horrible. Yeah, that's horrible.
<v Speaker 3>There's different reports on whether it's actual punch is thrown,
<v Speaker 3>but a disagreeable wrestling match definitely occurred in the hallway
<v Speaker 3>right before the show.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. The guy who wrote the book Cinderella's Story,
<v Speaker 1>Gattie Shack, he calls it a fistfight. There you go.
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking it's got to be. I mean, we got
<v Speaker 1>a guy from Chicago. Of course he's gonna throw a punch. Right.
<v Speaker 1>Come on, let's be adults here, mess the place up.
<v Speaker 1>We can handle this in private. Let's go to your office.
<v Speaker 4>I'll make some drinks for us all we'll talk about it.
<v Speaker 2>Come on.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So we've seen comedy changing in the magazine and
<v Speaker 1>in television, and then we have this magical change that
<v Speaker 1>is also happening in the movies. We had this weird
<v Speaker 1>kind of sketch comedy movie that comes out with this
<v Speaker 1>young novice director called the Kentucky Fried Movie, which is
<v Speaker 1>of course the Zucker brother and John Landis who put
<v Speaker 1>that movie together. And it does reasonably well. And then
<v Speaker 1>John Landis goes on to pair up with National Lampoon
<v Speaker 1>in their first movie called Animal House.
<v Speaker 3>Right Dug Kenney Road Animal House, and it became, like
<v Speaker 3>I think it was the highest grossing comedy of all
<v Speaker 3>time at that moment.
<v Speaker 1>I think that made like one hundred and forty one
<v Speaker 1>million dollars off of a something like six million dollar budget.
<v Speaker 3>What the hell was supposed to do? You moron?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe that's true. I love Animal House too,
<v Speaker 2>but you can't come up with a more perfect vehicle
<v Speaker 2>for Belushi, Like, if you're trying to spin him off
<v Speaker 2>into something, it's like you've hit a casting home run already.
<v Speaker 2>In terms of these parody movies, I didn't see Kentucky
<v Speaker 2>Fried movie as a kid because it was deemed like
<v Speaker 2>a little one layer two out there. But there was
<v Speaker 2>a time in my life where all I would watch
<v Speaker 2>was I would ask my parents does this movie have
<v Speaker 2>parodies in it? They were like, you can watch anything
<v Speaker 2>up to Kentucky Fried movie, Like, UHF, great, you watch that.
<v Speaker 2>My aim screen name was Parody King. So these movies
<v Speaker 2>were very formative for me, and shockingly enough, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>need numbers after Parody King. They were like, you want
<v Speaker 2>to be called that? Okay, Yeah, you're the only one. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well okay, so let's back up just a second. So
<v Speaker 3>after they had done Animal House and you have this
<v Speaker 3>massive comedy hit and it makes tons of money, the
<v Speaker 3>Studio brings in Doug Kenny Harold Ramis and they say,
<v Speaker 3>all right, what do you got for us next? And
<v Speaker 3>Harold Ramis is like, well, I've got this idea about
<v Speaker 3>Nazis in.
<v Speaker 1>In like Illinois, Illinois Nazis.
<v Speaker 4>I hate Illinois Nazis.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>They're like, okay, what else you got? And then I
<v Speaker 3>think Doug Kenny had some kind of weird, sort of
<v Speaker 3>off the wall spiritual idea and they're like, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>what else you got? And they remembered a story that
<v Speaker 3>Brian Doyle Murray had told them about their days that
<v Speaker 3>when all the Murray brothers had caddied at this country club,
<v Speaker 3>and they just kind of half remember this story that
<v Speaker 3>Brian Doyle Murray had said, and they said, well, what
<v Speaker 3>about snobs versus slobs at a golf course? And they're like,
<v Speaker 3>now that sounds interesting. Then they went back and grabbed
<v Speaker 3>Brian Doyle Murray and they're like, hey, dude, sorry, we
<v Speaker 3>stold your story. You get to go write it with us,
<v Speaker 3>and let's let's go.
<v Speaker 1>So there's another Animal House actor that comes into play
<v Speaker 1>at this point that has a relationship with Brian Doyle Murray.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so Sarah Holcombe, who played the underaged daughter of
<v Speaker 3>the mayor and Animal House, the one that.
<v Speaker 1>There's toilet paper scene, the cle next scene, the one
<v Speaker 1>exactly the cleanic scene.
<v Speaker 3>She was dating Brian Doyle Murray at the time. They
<v Speaker 3>were writing Caddyshack, and so they said, well, hey, we
<v Speaker 3>want you in Caddyshack. And there was some discussion of
<v Speaker 3>whether or not she was going to play Maggie or
<v Speaker 3>Lacey underall, so she decided, well, I don't really want
<v Speaker 3>to play the hot girl. I'll play Maggie. Good choice.
<v Speaker 3>So to prepare herself just for.
<v Speaker 1>The people who can't see my face, I'm bugging my
<v Speaker 1>eyes out. A good choice. But you keep on going.
<v Speaker 3>I mean her playing the hot girl.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, that was not it either, a
<v Speaker 1>little bit of.
<v Speaker 3>A stretch there. Yeah, But they wanted her to play
<v Speaker 3>this Irish Catholic foreign exchange student who comes over and
<v Speaker 3>works at the golf course. And so in order to
<v Speaker 3>prepare her for the role, she and Brian Doyle went
<v Speaker 3>to Ireland and she came back with the world's worst
<v Speaker 3>Irish accent.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I can't believe you spend that long there and
<v Speaker 1>this is what you come back with.
<v Speaker 3>That's why you get these memorable lines like oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>what pays for nothing?
<v Speaker 1>So Brian Doyle Murray's story is mostly about the caddies,
<v Speaker 1>hence the name Caddy Shack. He and his brothers, like
<v Speaker 1>you said, had grown up caddying because they had grown
<v Speaker 1>up in a nicer neighborhood. But they had to kind
<v Speaker 1>of earn their own way in the Jesuit school that
<v Speaker 1>they went to, and so they would caddy and Bill
<v Speaker 1>Murray was a ball shagger whenever he first started out,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the way that they made money so that
<v Speaker 1>they could live the lifestyle that their parents wanted them
<v Speaker 1>to be a part of. Right.
<v Speaker 3>Bill Murray actually drove the cart that picked up the
<v Speaker 3>golf balls, and people would try to drill him with
<v Speaker 3>their with their shots.
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about half to gil On, Okay, Happy
<v Speaker 1>Happy Gilmore, of course, is a movie that doesn't take
<v Speaker 1>place until sixteen years later. But the guys who write
<v Speaker 1>it are guys who love Caddyshack. Yeah, I mean, it
<v Speaker 1>is well noted that they wrote this movie thinking of
<v Speaker 1>Caddyshack and like, we want to make a golf movie
<v Speaker 1>of our own, And so those guys were Adam Sandler
<v Speaker 1>and his college roommate Tim Hurley. Now they had been
<v Speaker 1>roommates together, and then Adam went on to do some
<v Speaker 1>TV stuff. He was the stud boy on Removal Control. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and he was also one of Theo's friends on The
<v Speaker 1>Cosby Show. He was schmidty WHOA, I don't remember that? Yep, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>And so he had he was getting in front of
<v Speaker 1>the camera a little bit. While Tim Hurley went to
<v Speaker 1>law school. He joined a law firm and Adam Sandler
<v Speaker 1>is calling him up saying, Hey, I'm doing all these
<v Speaker 1>stand up things, can you help me out? And so
<v Speaker 1>they start writing stand up routines together. He stays late
<v Speaker 1>at the law firm and works up comedy bits instead
<v Speaker 1>of working on briefs and motions. I guess Adam Sandler
<v Speaker 1>gets on as a writer for SNL. He brings Tim
<v Speaker 1>on as a writer for SNL. And I could say
<v Speaker 1>I would in my early years of law firm work
<v Speaker 1>if someone had said would you like to go be
<v Speaker 1>a writer for SNL, I've been like see you later, yes, sir. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So Adam Sandler, David Spade, Chris Farley all become like
<v Speaker 1>the key ingredients in this New Saturday Night Live and
<v Speaker 1>maybe we should talk a little bit about that first.
<v Speaker 1>So after you hit nineteen eighty, there was a complete
<v Speaker 1>cast change and Saturday Night Live went through what can
<v Speaker 1>only be described as some growing pains. What can you
<v Speaker 1>tell us on that one happened?
<v Speaker 2>I mean you said Lauren's gone at a certain point,
<v Speaker 2>like Dick Ebersol's in The people who are joining the
<v Speaker 2>cast are people who eventually become Mega's celebrities, like Robert
<v Speaker 2>Downey Junior, Joan Cusack, Randy Quaid, Anthony Michael Hall. This
<v Speaker 2>is a bad SNL cast in the mid eighties. I'm
<v Speaker 2>not talking about like, oh, the iconic forgotten years, like no,
<v Speaker 2>really bad television. Yeah, Lauren is back eventually. I mean luckily,
<v Speaker 2>as you know learn didn't stay gone for long. But
<v Speaker 2>I mean it goes from like the iconic SNL cast
<v Speaker 2>of the of the mid to late seventies into like
<v Speaker 2>Billy Crystal, Christopher Guest, older people trying to you know,
<v Speaker 2>prop it up. Eddie Murphy shows up, tears the show down,
<v Speaker 2>and when it comes back it's like non comedian celebrities.
<v Speaker 2>And so by the late eighties they really have to regroup.
<v Speaker 2>You've got that love. It's Phil Harmon, Dana Carvey, Jan Hooks,
<v Speaker 2>Door Dunn, Victoria Jackson Corps leading directly. I love them.
<v Speaker 2>And they always say that your faceavorite cast is the
<v Speaker 2>one you grew up with, and I think that's true
<v Speaker 2>for me, because I still do love Farrell, you know,
<v Speaker 2>fa Fallon, all those folks, Tracy Morgan. But I grew
<v Speaker 2>up on the Comedy Central reruns more than I grew
<v Speaker 2>up on the live broadcast in like the mid to
<v Speaker 2>late nineties. So the first cast I ever watched was
<v Speaker 2>all these dudes Spade, Farley, Sandler, and then the people
<v Speaker 2>a little bit before them, you know, Hartman, Carvey, the Holdovers,
<v Speaker 2>and and Hook's done. Who are at Jan Hooks? I
<v Speaker 2>pray at the altar of Jan Hooks. He's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>So before I go there, Adam Sandler was in a
<v Speaker 1>movie in nineteen eighty nine. You guys know about this, just.
<v Speaker 3>That movie where he's like got an inter tube around
<v Speaker 3>his waist.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Adam Sandler's first movie was actually in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, before he really becomes a player on S
<v Speaker 1>and L. Now the cast includes him, obviously. You've also
<v Speaker 1>got Billy Bob Thornton. You've got Billy Zane. You got
<v Speaker 1>Bert Young from the Rocky Movies. You're thinking, Wow, this
<v Speaker 1>movie you'll probably do pretty well. I am dB rating
<v Speaker 1>one point eight. I have never seen a rating below
<v Speaker 1>two in my life. It is it is on their
<v Speaker 1>worst one hundred rated movies of all time.
<v Speaker 3>That Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Saandlor's first movie.
<v Speaker 3>Out of curiosity? What is Caddy Shack too rated? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I'll check it out, because for me, that may be
<v Speaker 3>the worst movie of the nineteen eighties.
<v Speaker 1>Caddy Shack two got a three point eight, a full
<v Speaker 1>two points higher and going overboard.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>So the main executives at NBC did not really like
<v Speaker 1>Saturday Night Live, despite the fact that it was kind
<v Speaker 1>of back in its second well maybe third heyday. You've
<v Speaker 1>got original cast, you've got Eddie Murphy, and then you've
<v Speaker 1>got the guys that we just talked about, and so
<v Speaker 1>there was this kind of mystery that happens. They're two
<v Speaker 1>biggest guys, Sandler and Chris Farley. They get canned, they
<v Speaker 1>get fired from Saturday Night Live. And it wasn't really
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. They weren't sure what was going on. People
<v Speaker 1>just knew they weren't there anymore. But Adam Sandler later
<v Speaker 1>on talks about it and he's like, yeah, we got
<v Speaker 1>we get fired.
<v Speaker 3>I had no clue about that. What can you tell
<v Speaker 3>us about that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Fired, And like they outlasted everybody too. So it
<v Speaker 2>was like there was a season when it was Sandler
<v Speaker 2>and Farley on an Island with like Janine Garofolo and
<v Speaker 2>Michael McKeon once again snl bringing in like a fifty
<v Speaker 2>year old genius comedian but to be a cast member
<v Speaker 2>like ten years after spinal tap, Like why there's there's
<v Speaker 2>a legendary episode that season hosted by Dion Sanders where
<v Speaker 2>Farley is a completely phoning it in and b like
<v Speaker 2>comes out of an alien spaceship with his clothes falling off,
<v Speaker 2>like he's hands.
<v Speaker 4>Captain Armstrong probably didn't do a thorough search.
<v Speaker 2>Let me go in there because I got a hand
<v Speaker 2>to ran to get some pot and it's just like
<v Speaker 2>a famous train wreck of a sketch. And yeah, at
<v Speaker 2>the end of a season where I guess Sandler and
<v Speaker 2>Farley were supposed to be the bridge, they just get
<v Speaker 2>unceremoniously let go.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>So this is kind of a pivotal moment and fortunately
<v Speaker 1>he and Tim Harley have been working on a script
<v Speaker 1>for this show called Billy Madison.
<v Speaker 2>I Am the Smartest Man a lot.
<v Speaker 3>Billy Madison's released what ninety five.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of the You're gonna inherit this,
<v Speaker 1>but only if you can get through high school. It
<v Speaker 1>turns out he needs to go actually back to kindergarten
<v Speaker 1>and go through every single grade in order to make
<v Speaker 1>it through high school. But the movie is a sleeper success,
<v Speaker 1>like it's huge, and so that allows Adam and Tim
<v Speaker 1>to start working on a second movie now. Also, at
<v Speaker 1>this time, you've got Chris Farley coming out with movies
<v Speaker 1>as well, and these movies are actually in competition with
<v Speaker 1>each other. Lauren Michaels is doing the Chris Farley movies,
<v Speaker 1>but he's not doing the Adam Sandler movies. And so
<v Speaker 1>this has become kind of a big deal because whenever
<v Speaker 1>Happy Gilmore comes out, Black Sheep is out and doing
<v Speaker 1>really well. Also still out at that time was Braveheart
<v Speaker 1>and Toy Story and Happy Gilmore on It's We Can
<v Speaker 1>Release managed to be the number two movie. So they
<v Speaker 1>have directing the movie a guy named Dennis Dugan. Probably
<v Speaker 1>most people in the world won't be able to say
<v Speaker 1>much about him because he's not a guy that you
<v Speaker 1>see a lot, except with Adam Sandler movies. But I
<v Speaker 1>will tell you where Jason and I will have known him,
<v Speaker 1>and I think I'm gonna blow your mind right here.
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what Private Investigator show from the eighties,
<v Speaker 1>He had a substantial part in a few of the episodes,
<v Speaker 1>which once again Moonlighting. Yes, yes, Now do you know
<v Speaker 1>who he was in the Moonlighting episode? Seeml Shepherd's dad
<v Speaker 1>husband she on the episode where she gets married. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal at the time with Moonlighting
<v Speaker 1>because there were all these rumors about what was going
<v Speaker 1>on with her, and then you had the love hate
<v Speaker 1>relationship on the show between Maddie and Dave, and so
<v Speaker 1>he's the guy she ends up marrying. Wow, Okay, And
<v Speaker 1>then here's the twist when they end up canceling the
<v Speaker 1>show and they're doing their very last episode, like I
<v Speaker 1>know if you remember the last episode, but it's like
<v Speaker 1>a regular episode, and then all of a sudden, it's
<v Speaker 1>like this twisted reality where they go back and people
<v Speaker 1>are taking down the set to the show where they're like,
<v Speaker 1>what's going on and he's the guy who's the director,
<v Speaker 1>Like he's killing the show off basically as the director
<v Speaker 1>as also the guy who was her jilted husband.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that guy is the guy who directed Happy Gilmore.
<v Speaker 1>You will know him from the movie Happy gilm More
<v Speaker 1>because he plays Doug. Doug that's right, the course, the
<v Speaker 1>PGA guy in charge of the game. Yeah, the guy
<v Speaker 1>in charge.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's the guy who at the end says, you
<v Speaker 3>gotta play where it lies.
<v Speaker 1>Right. So for a guy that we've never heard of,
<v Speaker 1>and he gets this movie with these guys who have
<v Speaker 1>had this huge success, you have to go, how did
<v Speaker 1>he get this movie right? Well, he had tried to
<v Speaker 1>cast Adam Sandler in another movie that he was doing.
<v Speaker 1>He had directs some shows, nothing particularly successful, but Adam
<v Speaker 1>had tried out. He's like, I want that guy, and
<v Speaker 1>the studio said, uh no, star power, We're not gonna
<v Speaker 1>let you have him. Well, when Adam Sandler is looking
<v Speaker 1>for a director of Happy Gilmore, he comes in, He's like,
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to direct. He goes, you're that guy who
<v Speaker 1>wanted to give me the part. Say no more, You've
<v Speaker 1>got the job. Nice, and he is going on to
<v Speaker 1>direct so many he's.
<v Speaker 3>Done, like you Jack and Jill, and he's done a
<v Speaker 3>bunch of others Sandlers. He's like Sandler's guy.
<v Speaker 1>Sandler's director guy. Yeah, and how how great a job
<v Speaker 1>would that be to be Sam Sandler's director guy.
<v Speaker 3>His pictures have made over a billion dollars. It's crazy
<v Speaker 3>he's rioting Adam Sandler. But that's a pretty sweet gig. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I take that.
<v Speaker 2>All the Sandler all the Sandler movies now are like,
<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, me and my best friends go to Hawaii.
<v Speaker 2>Like I would do that too if I were a
<v Speaker 2>per personal director. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So so sidebar, have you seen uncut Gems?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen uncut Jims?
<v Speaker 2>The last movie I saw in theaters?
<v Speaker 1>Really? Wow?
<v Speaker 2>Wow?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so did you enjoy it?
<v Speaker 2>I did. I was stressed out for the entire final
<v Speaker 2>hour or so. Yeah. I thought it was a virtuoso performance.
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a Sandler we've ever seen before,
<v Speaker 2>and definitely Kevin Garnett I've rarely seen either.
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I watched the first thirty minutes and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I think I have better things to do with my
<v Speaker 1>life than this, So you're.
<v Speaker 2>Probably not wrong. I can visualize a world in which
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the whole thing.
<v Speaker 1>I may go back and try it again. Okay, I
<v Speaker 1>feel like it had a lot of potential that from
<v Speaker 1>what I saw.
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, hey, I got something real quick. I just
<v Speaker 3>want to throw it in while we're plowing through all
<v Speaker 3>this stuff. The love interest in Billy Madison, Yeah, her
<v Speaker 3>name is Veronica Vaughn. The love interest in The Water Boy,
<v Speaker 3>her name is Vicky Valancourt. The love interest in Happy Gilmore,
<v Speaker 3>her name is Virginia Thennett. The love interest in Batman
<v Speaker 3>eighty nine is Vicky fail.
<v Speaker 2>There you go. I don't interested as what Cams is.
<v Speaker 3>So he had something going on with the double v's.
<v Speaker 3>It's like like a comic book hero or something like. Anyway,
<v Speaker 3>I just noticed that. I want to throw it out there.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, let's go back to.
<v Speaker 3>Casting on Caddyshack. Nick tell me, Okay, so when they're
<v Speaker 3>putting this movie together, they need a star. So Doug
<v Speaker 3>Kenny and Harold Ramis are looking for a star. The
<v Speaker 3>studio says, how about chevy Chase. They go talk to
<v Speaker 3>chevy Chase. Chevy Chase says, yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he had just gotten nominated for his work
<v Speaker 1>in Foul Play which is a movie with Goldie holy Hunt.
<v Speaker 3>I love that movie. So once they had Chevy Chase
<v Speaker 3>on board, they know they've got a movie now, right,
<v Speaker 3>So they were looking to fill this cast of characters.
<v Speaker 3>They knew they wanted Sarah Holcom to play Maggie Maggie
<v Speaker 3>o'hula hen. So they're out to cast for Danny Noonan.
<v Speaker 3>So they go and and who do they talk to first?
<v Speaker 3>The person that they want first Mickey Rourke, the guy
<v Speaker 3>who will be the definition of cool and like Rumblefish,
<v Speaker 3>who's Whiplash and Iron Man two and has been in
<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch of other movies nine and a half weeks,
<v Speaker 3>Angel Hart, the wrestler, great actor, kind of like what
<v Speaker 3>you were talking about with Robert Downey Jr. And Anthony
<v Speaker 3>Michael Hall. He's a good actor, but is he is
<v Speaker 3>he really a comediate person for Caddyshack? So anyway, they
<v Speaker 3>hire Michael O'Keefe. Then the person that they want next
<v Speaker 3>for Al Shirvek, they wanted Don Rickles. Don Rickles flash
<v Speaker 3>back to our Canniball run episode. He was almost hired
<v Speaker 3>to be Fenderbaum.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but didn't do it because he was competing.
<v Speaker 3>With dumb DeLuise. They couldn't stand each other, so he's like,
<v Speaker 3>I'm out. At the time, Rodney Dangerfield had done a
<v Speaker 3>couple of guest hosts on The Tonight Show, and he
<v Speaker 3>was just killing it on The Tonight Show age.
<v Speaker 1>I want two girls at once, you know, and if
<v Speaker 1>I fall astep, they got each other to talk to you,
<v Speaker 1>what do we do?
<v Speaker 3>I assume you're through back in a minute. And they
<v Speaker 3>had seen him and they thought, man, this guy's really
<v Speaker 3>funny and he could be brash and crude but still
<v Speaker 3>be likable and funny. So they took a shot on
<v Speaker 3>Rodney Daingerfield and he is one of the key elements
<v Speaker 3>to the success of Cadischeck.
<v Speaker 1>So with Rodney Dangerfield, this is interesting. Everybody talks about
<v Speaker 1>this being his first movie, but he was actually in
<v Speaker 1>a Kubrick movie. What he was in a Kubrick movie,
<v Speaker 1>And it's a Kubrick movie that most people haven't heard of,
<v Speaker 1>called The Killing. It's the one they're wearing clown the
<v Speaker 1>bank robbers. They're wearing clown masks. It's one of Kubrick's
<v Speaker 1>earliest movies, one that's not very kubrick esque, so to speak,
<v Speaker 1>but one that's kind of become a classic. But Rodney
<v Speaker 1>Dangerfield can be seen at a racing track, at the
<v Speaker 1>bar looking at a paper. He was just an extra
<v Speaker 1>in this movie. So I'm going to give a shout
<v Speaker 1>out real quick to a podcast that I've been listening
<v Speaker 1>to called a Film Buy Dot Dot Dot. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>these are guys that they look at movie by world
<v Speaker 1>class directors that are not their best known movies.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>They had one out today on the Killing and I'm
<v Speaker 1>listening to it. I'm like, oh, there's a bit of
<v Speaker 1>trivia about Rodney Dangerfield that I can use. So shout
<v Speaker 1>out to Jeff Johnson, the guys, and one of our
<v Speaker 1>Patreon guys does a side project with them where they
<v Speaker 1>look at movies from nineteen eighty six day Dayton Johnson yep,
<v Speaker 1>looks at those. But to check out that podcast, those
<v Speaker 1>guys are awesome, really great stuff that they do with it.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and so now they've got Chevy Chase, now they've
<v Speaker 3>got Rodney Dangerfield. They go after Ted Knight, who was
<v Speaker 3>famous from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. He agrees to
<v Speaker 3>do it. He's going to play the stuffy, old, rich
<v Speaker 3>white guy at the golf course. And he is awesome,
<v Speaker 3>really the cornerstone of the movie. If he doesn't portray
<v Speaker 3>the snobbish judge smells, it just doesn't really work.
<v Speaker 4>I've sent his boys younger than News of the Gas Chamber.
<v Speaker 1>Didn't want to do it.
<v Speaker 4>I owed it to them.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, here's Ted Knight's old bit that I'm wondering if
<v Speaker 1>many people know. And I'll give credit to Arlen Bullard
<v Speaker 1>on this one. Okay, Okay, I'm going to say the
<v Speaker 1>line You're ready yes. Meanwhile, at the Whole of Justice,
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>He was the voice on super Friends.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was the narrator for super Friends and super
<v Speaker 1>Boy and all kinds of other DC animated shows. I
<v Speaker 1>had no idea, Arlen. It was like, meanwhile, at the
<v Speaker 1>Whole of Justice, get the Hall of Justice. It's is
<v Speaker 1>that him?
<v Speaker 2>Yep?
<v Speaker 1>Dead night Wow.
<v Speaker 3>And then, of course the last piece of the puzzle.
<v Speaker 3>Ryan Doyle Murray wants his brother Bill Murray, who was
<v Speaker 3>Hot Office Saturday Night Live. He was actually out in
<v Speaker 3>California shooting a movie. He had just wrapped, a movie
<v Speaker 3>called Where the Buffalo's Roam?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is Hunter S. Thompson right, Yep.
<v Speaker 3>He had to get back to Saturday Night Live.
<v Speaker 1>Last season of the original cast.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, and they're like, hey, you're traveling from California
<v Speaker 3>to New York. He had to return Lord and Michael's car,
<v Speaker 3>and so they're like, why don't you swing by Florida
<v Speaker 3>just you know, on the way for six days? They
<v Speaker 3>had it for six days, six days, and come play
<v Speaker 3>Carl Spackler, who is just the greenskeeper. The script had
<v Speaker 3>no lines for him, none, not one line.
<v Speaker 1>And it was just Bill does his bit.
<v Speaker 3>Harol rim has kind of had an envision like a
<v Speaker 3>Harpo Marx type of thing where he maybe even didn't speak.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 3>He just kind of chased to go for around.
<v Speaker 1>You know. That's it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean spoiler alert. He he does speak, and
<v Speaker 2>he takes over the movie. He establishes himself in like
<v Speaker 2>the first five seconds of being on camera as someone
<v Speaker 2>who's gimmick is being sexually attracted to old women or
<v Speaker 2>all women. I couldn't I honestly couldn't tell. And I
<v Speaker 2>sort of was like, put a pin in that, see
<v Speaker 2>if it develops later. Nope, not really, He's attracted to
<v Speaker 2>old women throughout the entirety of the film. I mean
<v Speaker 2>he delivered. I don't know. I mean, you were right
<v Speaker 2>in saying that Ted Knight holds this entire thing together.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm a Murray over Chase guy, and I'm not
<v Speaker 2>sure if that's gonna come up at any point. But
<v Speaker 2>I had more fun watching Murray do his oddball thing here.
<v Speaker 2>And the first scene they've ever shared together outside of
<v Speaker 2>SNL and in a movie. Is that scene in the
<v Speaker 2>mind if I play through right right, Yeah, yes, And
<v Speaker 2>you can almost tell it's it is almost like Chevy
<v Speaker 2>Chase and Bill Murray sizing each other up as human beings,
<v Speaker 2>not as character.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They were really nervous about shooting that scene. Let's
<v Speaker 3>go ahead and jump into that scene.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sure.
<v Speaker 3>So this was, you know, the studio after they had
<v Speaker 3>been sitting back dailies, they said, hey, your two big
<v Speaker 3>stars are not in anything together.
<v Speaker 1>Right they had Bill Murray was already gone at this point.
<v Speaker 1>He had done his six days and was gone.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so they're like, well, you got to figure
<v Speaker 3>this out. You got to you gotta come up with something.
<v Speaker 3>And so everybody's like, oh, boy, Bill Murray and Chevy
<v Speaker 3>Chase can't stand to be in the same room together,
<v Speaker 3>you know how are we going to do this? And
<v Speaker 3>so held Ramis said, all right, you know, Bill Chevy,
<v Speaker 3>let's all sit around and let's let's sit down and
<v Speaker 3>let's write something. And so they came up with just
<v Speaker 3>an outline basically of Ty Webb hits the golf ball
<v Speaker 3>into Carl Shack and they talk a bit and then
<v Speaker 3>he leaves.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 3>Everything else is in pro right.
<v Speaker 4>This is registered Carl Spegler Bench. Oh yeah, I felt
<v Speaker 4>grass like this before. I've played on this.
<v Speaker 1>This is a hybrid.
<v Speaker 4>This is across bluegrass, Kentucky bluegrass Feederbent bench and northern
<v Speaker 4>California sens a MEA amazing stuff about this is that
<v Speaker 4>you can play thirty six holes on it in the afternoon,
<v Speaker 4>take it home, and just get stoned in a but
<v Speaker 4>Jesus belt that night on this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>So it's important that improv part of things is really
<v Speaker 1>important for this movie and understanding the way that it goes.
<v Speaker 1>You know, we talked about Second City. These guys are
<v Speaker 1>all improvisational actors, and Harold Ramis was one of the
<v Speaker 1>key guys that came from Second City and he's the
<v Speaker 1>director and so so much of this movie he would
<v Speaker 1>just go okay, here's the situation and go And so
<v Speaker 1>it was a bunch of yes and and people improving
<v Speaker 1>it out. And that's actually what you end up with
<v Speaker 1>in the movie. And we'll get into it more later on.
<v Speaker 1>But the original script was not at all the movie
<v Speaker 1>that we ended up with.
<v Speaker 2>Right right. I feel like you can tell that though
<v Speaker 2>from the Dangerfield stuff, like they let him Go. There's
<v Speaker 2>one that I wrote down that, like, I was like,
<v Speaker 2>all on the rewatch, I was like, all right, let's
<v Speaker 2>let's stay tuned a Dangerfields one liners like they're iconic,
<v Speaker 2>he's well known for them, They're legendary. What does buy
<v Speaker 2>a hat like this? You get a free bowl of
<v Speaker 2>soup mean? That's supposed to mean something to me? Like
<v Speaker 2>am I? Am I the wrong generation? Like I feel
<v Speaker 2>like he was on ninety percent of the time and
<v Speaker 2>then ten percent. It's like, can we just can we
<v Speaker 2>cut that? No, we can't wet No, that's funny.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one of the most memorable lines from the movie.
<v Speaker 1>It's hysterical and and yeah, I think it probably is
<v Speaker 1>like a throwback, like we can't get rid of this hat,
<v Speaker 1>so let's give away a free bowl of soup so
<v Speaker 1>that somebody will take.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense to me. Never got it, never
<v Speaker 2>got it.
<v Speaker 3>So there's there's something funny about that scene you're talking
<v Speaker 3>about right there. Hal Raimus was like, you know, writing
<v Speaker 3>Dangerfield was around this wall and the other side of
<v Speaker 3>this wall.
<v Speaker 1>This his first seat, first scene. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's his first scene on screen as a movie
<v Speaker 3>person at all. And so Harold Remis is like, all right, Rodney,
<v Speaker 3>you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, ready action. Nothing happens,
<v Speaker 3>Like Ronnie doesn't come around the wall, and so he's like,
<v Speaker 3>all right, cut, cut, cut, hey, Ronnie you okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'm good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm good.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, all right, ready action. Nothing happens. So he's like, Ronnie,
<v Speaker 3>what's going on? Every time I say action, you're not moving?
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh, you mean do my bit. He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 3>got it. So ready Rodney, do your bit and he
<v Speaker 3>bursts out and it comes in like a hurricane. Right,
<v Speaker 3>And for the rest of the movie, anytime he wanted
<v Speaker 3>Ronnie to do something, it was running to your bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he thought he was doing it wrong. Like
<v Speaker 1>he would start, he would start his performance, he would
<v Speaker 1>go through his bit and then they'd like, Okay, let's
<v Speaker 1>do it again, and like he starts pouring beads of sweat.
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's just like and so one of the caddies,
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember, the good looking caddy. What was his name,
<v Speaker 1>the Nunzio. Yeah, so the actor who played the Denunzio,
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you came, man, and he He's like, I'm
<v Speaker 1>bombing out here, I'm bombing. Nobody's laughing. He's like, no, no, man,
<v Speaker 1>it's a movie. If they laugh, they can't use the take.
<v Speaker 1>It's not because you're not funny. It's because we're not
<v Speaker 1>supposed to laugh.
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So they really had to coach him up on
<v Speaker 3>how movies work. They can't laugh even though you are funny.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he wanted to laugh real bad. Definitely.
<v Speaker 3>At first, they haven't even mentioned people who like the
<v Speaker 3>guy who plays Spalding.
<v Speaker 4>I want a hamburger, no cheat, I want a hot dog,
<v Speaker 4>I want a milkshake.
<v Speaker 3>I want nothing like it. The only lady who plays
<v Speaker 3>Missus smells is hilarious in this movie.
<v Speaker 1>Can you loose from my Stretcher?
<v Speaker 3>You two looked like a couple of boobies. The guy
<v Speaker 3>who plays smoke Porterhouse, the guy who is iasic. Should
<v Speaker 3>we talk about the names real quick?
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead?
<v Speaker 3>So I mean you got You've got out serving Shuvik's right,
<v Speaker 3>and you got you know, Cindy Morgan, who's the hot niece,
<v Speaker 3>Lacy under Lacy under all. She has a certain zest
<v Speaker 3>for life. You have doctor Beeper.
<v Speaker 1>They weren't particularly creative with their names. It was more like,
<v Speaker 1>let's describe the character and move on. Yes, all right,
<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about casting for Happy Gum.
<v Speaker 2>It's okay.
<v Speaker 3>You know who they wanted for Adam Sandler's part. I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna go with Adams Adam Sandler the whole time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>so he was the main guy. Obviously, he's the right
<v Speaker 3>of the movie, so he was going to get the
<v Speaker 3>main part. The whole plot of the movie is hockey
<v Speaker 3>player who plays.
<v Speaker 1>Golf right and then needs to win his house back
<v Speaker 1>for his grandmother who raised him.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they were looking for a person to play his
<v Speaker 3>foil right, the.
<v Speaker 1>Bad guy, the bad guy.
<v Speaker 3>Shooter McGavin is the guy's name. So they looked at
<v Speaker 3>Bruce Campbell from the Evil Dead movies. The audition for
<v Speaker 3>the part, and I heard that Kevin Costner was actually considered.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I had heard that too, But Christopher McDonald
<v Speaker 1>and Adam Sandler did an interview with Dan Patrick just
<v Speaker 1>like a month or two ago, and when Dan Patrick
<v Speaker 1>brought that up, Adam Sandler was like, no, I don't
<v Speaker 1>think so. I don't think we ever offered the part
<v Speaker 1>to him. I think Chris was our guy the whole time. Now,
<v Speaker 1>he may have just been saying that because Chris is
<v Speaker 1>sitting right next to him, but he the way he
<v Speaker 1>told it, he was like, I'd seen this movie called
<v Speaker 1>Thelma and Louise and there was this super hot guy
<v Speaker 1>in it and his name was Christopher McDonald. And so
<v Speaker 1>Christopher McDonald was filming Quiz Show nearby where they had
<v Speaker 1>been putting the movie together for Happy Gilmore and Dennis
<v Speaker 1>Dugan goes to find him in his hotel. They meet
<v Speaker 1>in the lobby and he proposes the part to him.
<v Speaker 1>But Christopher McDonald had been doing these kind of bad
<v Speaker 1>guys so much that he didn't want to do another
<v Speaker 1>bad guy until he read the script and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>I want to meet Adam Sandler. They go and talk.
<v Speaker 1>In his one reading with Adam Sandler, he's like I'm in.
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it.
<v Speaker 3>He did a great job. Any comments on that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is he? I was just gonna say, is to you?
<v Speaker 2>Is Christopher McDonald of that guy? Or is he Shooter McGavin.
<v Speaker 3>He's Shooter McGavin.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. Yeah, he's so. He's so good
<v Speaker 2>in this I love the people that live their lives
<v Speaker 2>as the iconic characters they played, like twenty five years ago.
<v Speaker 2>I love when he shows up as Shooter McGavin on
<v Speaker 2>Twitter still to this day, like doing an anniversary vidity
<v Speaker 2>you're happy Gilmour, or like, I guarantee if you asked
<v Speaker 2>him to do anything for you as Shooter McGavin, he would,
<v Speaker 2>like I love. I love how much he embodies it,
<v Speaker 2>and I can't imagine a better villain for this movie.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So there's a service called cameo dot com where
<v Speaker 1>you can get, you know, like stars to leave a
<v Speaker 1>message for somebody on their birthday. On his it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>say Christopher McDonald, it says Shooter MCGAFV nice, like he
<v Speaker 1>really has taken on that persona. It's great because he
<v Speaker 1>goes and does charity golf bits and earns money for charities.
<v Speaker 1>He's living the dream man, that's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Was finger guns him or was finger gun society? Like
<v Speaker 2>who did it first?
<v Speaker 3>I think it's him, man, I think you can a
<v Speaker 3>lot to him on that.
<v Speaker 1>Who is the guy who would do the sword bit?
<v Speaker 1>Because there was a guy back in the late eighties
<v Speaker 1>who whenever he Rodriguez, when he was done, he'd do
<v Speaker 1>his a little sword bit like a chee chee. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I think that was Christopher's idea as kind of a
<v Speaker 1>homage to that deal. It goes in it's.
<v Speaker 2>Home home, if you want to go to your home.
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Julie Bowen for a second.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Julie Bowen. I saw this movie. I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 1>that she's beautiful. How why did I see her anything else? Well?
<v Speaker 1>I did. She's in modern family. She's like one of
<v Speaker 1>the main she's one of the main wife, like the
<v Speaker 1>mom or something. Yeah, she's the mom, the wife, not
<v Speaker 1>Sophia Varga, but the other one. And I didn't realize
<v Speaker 1>that that was the same girl. She looks different to me,
<v Speaker 1>like I don't. I don't think she's had work done.
<v Speaker 1>I think she just she was so much younger than that.
<v Speaker 1>She just she's still very beautiful, but just a different
<v Speaker 1>looking lady.
<v Speaker 3>Now because she's not wearing the stockings and garters.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't looking at that.
<v Speaker 2>One of my colleges distinguished alumni, Julie.
<v Speaker 3>Bowen, really out of town.
<v Speaker 1>Where did you go to school?
<v Speaker 2>Brown University?
<v Speaker 1>Nice?
<v Speaker 2>We have Julie Bowen, we got Laura Lennie, and we
<v Speaker 2>got one of the guys from Heroes. That's the acting
<v Speaker 2>departments like trifecta. Oh, John Krasinsky, Sorry, we've.
<v Speaker 1>Got We've got Ed Harris, and we have the guy
<v Speaker 1>who played Lenny on La Law or Benny what was
<v Speaker 1>the special needs guy on La Law? That big giant.
<v Speaker 1>He was also in a really creepy episode of Tales
<v Speaker 1>from the Crypt where he played I think a demented
<v Speaker 1>Santa Claus. That was he was an no you guy?
<v Speaker 3>Really?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>James Garner too, Yeah, yeah, okay, Carl Weathers plays Chubbs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Carl's apollo Creed Weathers. Yeah, Carl action Jackson Weathers.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Okay, let's talk about that he loses his hand
<v Speaker 3>fighting an alligator while looking for his ball in Happy Gilmore.
<v Speaker 3>That it happens prior to us meeting him. Yeah, that
<v Speaker 3>same arm gets blown off in Predator. Yeah, coincidence, same universe.
<v Speaker 3>I think not Chubbs was actually a soldier of fortune
<v Speaker 3>who fought aliens.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know he talks to him, He's like
<v Speaker 1>you big guy, Like you should be a football player
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Carl Weathers was actually a professional
<v Speaker 1>football player.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, His best acting role ever is when he
<v Speaker 3>loses to Sylvester Stallone in his Sprint and Rocky three.
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's the worst, Okay, I have a little happy dances.
<v Speaker 3>Comedic Kyle Weathers is great in this movie. He uh
<v Speaker 3>he's on Mandalorian now.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. That's yeah, a.
<v Speaker 3>Little wider he he is little water hair right.
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, yes, well that's as far as we need
<v Speaker 1>to go on that job.
<v Speaker 2>I would rank that. I would rank The Wooden Hand
<v Speaker 2>as like one of the five best like large scale
<v Speaker 2>comedy movie bits of all time. Is funny. Every time
<v Speaker 2>you know it's coming, it's still funny. Also, before i'd
<v Speaker 2>seen this movie in college, my roommates and I nicknamed
<v Speaker 2>and I apologize in advance, we nicknamed the line cook
<v Speaker 2>Chubbs Peterson. He was a little overweight and I just
<v Speaker 2>thought it was a funny nickname that we'd come up
<v Speaker 2>with ourselves. And then I saw this movie. I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>we've never done anything original in our lives from famous person.
<v Speaker 1>In this movie, he's very much coaching, like Apollo Creed
<v Speaker 1>coaches Rocky and Rocky three. Yes, I just there were
<v Speaker 1>just moments throughout that I was like Apollo Creed. And
<v Speaker 1>then you have the spectacular moment where Happy thinks he's
<v Speaker 1>given him a gift because he finds the crocodile that
<v Speaker 1>took his ball right, yes, took his hand, yes, and
<v Speaker 1>then he gives it to him and it freaks him
<v Speaker 1>out so badly that he falls out the window.
<v Speaker 3>And yes, most ridiculous death, but yes, he falls out
<v Speaker 3>the window. And then his like force ghosts shows up
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the movie to cheer on Happy. You know,
<v Speaker 3>the Obi wan Kenobe.
<v Speaker 1>It is a fantastic mentor to have in a movie
<v Speaker 1>because it lays all of those old eighties movies that
<v Speaker 1>we love.
<v Speaker 2>When this movie with a death too, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>how you could be shocked by Carl Weather's death. The
<v Speaker 2>first thing you see is a death.
<v Speaker 3>His dad gets hit with the hockey pop right.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, stop it to buy a hockey pop.
<v Speaker 1>This moment of pure joy ending in tragedy. Okay, so
<v Speaker 1>Tuesday's gone. If you were like the list of songs
<v Speaker 1>to start a comedy movie with, I would be like,
<v Speaker 1>you have to take this off the list. There's no
<v Speaker 1>way you're going to start a comedy movie with Tuesdays Gone.
<v Speaker 1>It's sad and depressing, but turning everything into a phallic
<v Speaker 1>and humping things. During the home video style introduction, I
<v Speaker 1>forget what music is playing. That's brilliant.
<v Speaker 3>Just a couple other notable people that are in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>We talked a little bit about Francis Bay as Grandma Gilmore.
<v Speaker 3>You've got Richard Keel, who played Jaws in the James
<v Speaker 3>Bond movies.
<v Speaker 2>Shooting.
<v Speaker 3>McGavin has to hit a shot off his foot at
<v Speaker 3>one point in the movie, and he's still a big
<v Speaker 3>tough guy. Lee Trevino plays himself. He's a professional golfer.
<v Speaker 1>No lines though, well he's got one line.
<v Speaker 3>Yay, he does. He's like Grizzly Adams didn't have a beer.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got exactly one that you would rather have exactly
<v Speaker 2>one line and have it be great.
<v Speaker 3>You also had I want to mention this guy real quick,
<v Speaker 3>Jared Don Schnellenberg. He's the kid caddy in his first tournament.
<v Speaker 3>So this little blonde kids was a little goofy teenager.
<v Speaker 1>So did you watch the Masters?
<v Speaker 3>I watched some of the Masters.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so adam, you watched the Masters a little bit? Right?
<v Speaker 1>Do you know the stuff that went on about happy
<v Speaker 1>Gilmore during the Masters?
<v Speaker 2>Let me pull up this Sandler tweet to make sure
<v Speaker 2>that I get it right. I'm glad that you mentioned
<v Speaker 2>the blonde boy himself, because who anticipated of all the
<v Speaker 2>people from Habby Gilmore to become relevant this week all weeks?
<v Speaker 2>Will Zala Tauris is the golfer's name. He was moderately
<v Speaker 2>close to taking over the lead from Matsiyama. Didn't take it,
<v Speaker 2>but he looked the flippy blonde hair. He didn't look
<v Speaker 2>dissimilar from an older version of this blonde caddy and
<v Speaker 2>Sandler screen grabbed photo Xala Taurus's hair going nuts side by,
<v Speaker 2>sided it with the caddy and tweeted, have fun today,
<v Speaker 2>young man, and mister Gilmore is watching you and very proud.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that is awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty cool. Couldn't pull home the victory, but he
<v Speaker 2>was He was closer than I think anybody really expected.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and I think the actor, the actor who
<v Speaker 2>played him in real life is some sort of like
<v Speaker 2>adjunct math professor.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like yeah PhDs and pretty notable guy, I
<v Speaker 3>guess out in the academic world.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, because the backlash to the look alike was like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we all had fun with our lookalike, but did everybody
<v Speaker 2>know that that actor is now like got a van
<v Speaker 2>Dyke beard and it's some sort of like professor and
<v Speaker 2>a larned man.
<v Speaker 1>Like.
<v Speaker 2>It was a great it was a great news cycle
<v Speaker 2>of like, oh I remember that guy. Oh cool, all right, goodbye.
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine like your entire life changes over the
<v Speaker 1>course of twenty five years and then suddenly randomly you're
<v Speaker 1>famous again for being the door kid in a movie.
<v Speaker 3>Well, the kid from Weird Science, like not Anthony and
<v Speaker 3>Michael Hall, the other kid Wyatt. Yeah, he's like a
<v Speaker 3>professor at Texas A.
<v Speaker 1>And m Yeah, the guy the kid who's in What
<v Speaker 1>About Bob is a law professor. It's like really well yeah, yeah, it's.
<v Speaker 3>Piece and quiet. Yes, wow, all right. And so also
<v Speaker 3>we've got Burne Lunquist, We've got Bob Barker, who has
<v Speaker 3>made the funniest scene in the entire movie. All right,
<v Speaker 3>let's go.
<v Speaker 2>Do like that old man. You want a piece of me,
<v Speaker 2>I don't want a.
<v Speaker 1>Piece of you.
<v Speaker 2>I want the whole thing.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I'm telling you. If we were talking about Bill
<v Speaker 1>Murray and what he means to Caddy Shack, when you
<v Speaker 1>say Caddy Shack, I think Bill Murray. When you say
<v Speaker 1>happy Gilmour, I think Bob Barker. Because that scene is
<v Speaker 1>the funniest bit in the movie. And it's a funny,
<v Speaker 1>funny movie. But I love and I love the story
<v Speaker 1>that goes along with it. Because Bob Barker gets on
<v Speaker 1>set and they've got a stunt double for him for
<v Speaker 1>all of the fight scenes, and he's like, who's this guy,
<v Speaker 1>and like, oh, this is your stunt double. Whenever we
<v Speaker 1>have you know, the punches and stuff, you know, we'll
<v Speaker 1>put him in there. And he's like, I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to do this if you get a stunt double for me.
<v Speaker 1>Like what he goes, I'm a black belt, I have
<v Speaker 1>trained with Chuck Norris. I am going to do my
<v Speaker 1>own fight scenes. And they're like, oh, all right then,
<v Speaker 1>and he was awesome.
<v Speaker 3>He was awesome.
<v Speaker 2>I want to give I mean, well, yeah, okay, who
<v Speaker 2>I can't positively say enough about Bob Barker, but I'll
<v Speaker 2>let the moment speak for itself. I do want to
<v Speaker 2>give a special shout out to We're talking about Second
<v Speaker 2>City Earlier. Another sc alum SCTV was sort of their
<v Speaker 2>spin off show in Canada, launched the careers of John Candy,
<v Speaker 2>Catherine O'Hara, Eugene Levy, all these gods of comedy. Yeah, Rick,
<v Speaker 2>Joe Flaherty, Rick Moranis and Joe Flaherty, who plays the
<v Speaker 2>Heckler who is shooters like assistant who knocks Happy off
<v Speaker 2>his game iconically is iconically good in this movie. And
<v Speaker 2>he's he's like the dad and freaks and geeks. He
<v Speaker 2>didn't get quite as much run as the other folks
<v Speaker 2>from SETV, but he's funny every time he shows up anywhere.
<v Speaker 2>And I was delighted to see him in this Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He was great. He was great.
<v Speaker 3>Last person I want to mention Ben Stiller.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uncredited.
<v Speaker 3>I guess he and Adam Sandler were buddies and Adam said, hey,
<v Speaker 3>you want to come be in my movie. And he's
<v Speaker 3>like the guy in charge of the Old People's Home,
<v Speaker 3>and he's a real jerk.
<v Speaker 1>And and a great part. It's a great part. I
<v Speaker 1>don't understand why he didn't take credit for it. And
<v Speaker 1>this is before there's something about Mary, so he had
<v Speaker 1>not hit it big, big yet.
<v Speaker 3>He had done what reality by two episodes of the
<v Speaker 3>Ben Stiller Show.
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, failed failed SNL cast member Ben Stiller, Right.
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I'd forgotten about it.
<v Speaker 3>I did not remember that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had a great he had a great deal
<v Speaker 1>that he did on the Color of Money where he
<v Speaker 1>was imitating Tom Cruise. He has a really spot on
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise impression. But before we leave cast of Happy Gilmour,
<v Speaker 1>there's one more that I got to mention. Okay, the
<v Speaker 1>I R S guy. At the beginning, the guy's like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not taking your grandmother's stuff. I'm just not taking this,
<v Speaker 1>not taking his home to my house. Okay. So that
<v Speaker 1>guy is named Robert Smiegel. Okay, He's been in a
<v Speaker 1>ton of comedy writing troops. He's written for Saturday Night Live,
<v Speaker 1>he's written for Adam Sandler. But he is also the
<v Speaker 1>puppeteer and the voice of Triumph.
<v Speaker 2>Triumph, The Insult comic dog.
<v Speaker 1>There. Here you go, Triumph the insult comedy dog for me.
<v Speaker 4>To poop on.
<v Speaker 3>That's the guy.
<v Speaker 1>That's the guy. Yeah, it's that that the guy who
<v Speaker 1>gets thrown through the window in Happy Gilmore is Triumph
<v Speaker 1>the insult comedy Dog.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>He ran the uh he ran the cartoon department at
<v Speaker 2>SNL for like a decade too. He did a TV
<v Speaker 2>fun house. Yeah, he was a writer at SNL forever
<v Speaker 2>with Sandler and Hurley. He and Sandler's character, the Hurly
<v Speaker 2>he Boy is named after it. Tim Hurley. But Smigle
<v Speaker 2>was Smigle is one of those guys and he Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he did the cartoons for like fifteen years. After all
<v Speaker 2>these people left the cast, he was working with them forever.
<v Speaker 3>That was fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Good. Okay, so that does it for cast. Come back
<v Speaker 1>next week where we will go into production of both
<v Speaker 1>of these movies and get some really hysterical stories.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The stories that we're going to tell next week
<v Speaker 3>are really kind of the heart of this episode. Cadyshak
<v Speaker 3>versus Happy to gil More. Finally, Judgment next week.
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