Ottavino blasts Mets, Seager trade rumors fake? Shota QO shocks Cubs?

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday people. Reminder programming note for those of you that are the ft fam hardcore fans pointing this out already for everyone else. Thursday Friday next week, no live shows. We'll put some content out, like if you check our podcast page, it'll still be bumping with content, but we won't have a live show. And I just want to remind everyone that next Thursday is Thanksgiving, so please prepare accordingly. The day after that is off for many others, call it Black Friday. If you want to do shopping or do whatever you got to do, do it. God Father, Today's a special day because AJ Prazinski's not on, and we are going to start the show with a topic that is near and dear to his heart. We are going to talk about the Chicago Cubs without Aj. That means no little jokes from about how much he loves Slash hates the Cubbies. So this will be like a very neutral conversation.

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Speaker 2: It might it might kick off something even better. You never know, especially with the vaunted Cobies there in Chicago. But yes, I feel it's gonna be. It's gonna be a non partial time for us here. So we're gonna we're gonna put our best foot forward and talk about some off season stuff about them, and hopefully people understand where we're coming from without aj.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so each of you raise your right hand and tell me, I solemnly swear that I'm just going to comment on the Cubs as if any neutral fan of the game would comment on the Cubs, and You're not gonna have to recite this. I'm just gonna need a yes or no, or an I do or and I don't that you don't care, respectfully if the Cubs finish in first or last next year. This is a national show. Can I get an I do or a yes from Krats?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Todd, Yes, I do same here. Yes, let's charge let's charge out, all right, So what do we have here, Let's size up the Cubs off season. Let's give him some love right now and see what they need to do. Kratz is making a face because he probably saw the tweet that's going to kick off the conversation. George Offfman, who does some radio work and a bunch of other things out in Chicago, puts this tweet out there, told that the Cubs were stunned in Managa accepted the qualifying offer they expected to get. A draft pick hampers their off season spending plans. We can show the next one too. The Cubs currently have around one hundred and ninety million in payroll. The tax threshold which many serve I'm going to add this part. Many use this as their de facto salary cap is two forty four mil. Affman says the Cubs don't want to exceed it. They think that's enough for a top free agent pitcher, a hitter, bullpen, help arbitration cases, and perhaps paying Pete ker Armstrong on an extension. You'll need money at the trade deadline. Creative trade Sandy el Contra question Mark crats your.

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Speaker 3: Thoughts, what's the big deal?

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Speaker 4: They got a starter that had a below a four ERA, he came back from an injury, didn't wasn't as good, Like they have a one year starter who wasn't All Star two years ago. Like, I don't see what the big deal is, And don't get me started on the payroll stuff like the salary cap at two hundred and forty four million. For the Cubs to be hitting that, if you're mad as a if you're mad as a front office that you offered somebody twenty two million dollars and they accepted it. You need to only be mad at one person. And there's stun that he accepted it. There's stun that he accepted twenty two million dollars when next year you could just go back for another one year deal after that and not make not make near twenty two million. I just I have a hard time believing that this organization truly wants to win if these comments are true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you, yeah, wholeheartedly. It's why it's a qualifying offer. It's decided by a player, and all of a sudden, you're gonna be mad at that player, especially a pretty good left handed pitcher that I think most teams would want on their squad. I would go on the opposite side and say, the other teams are a little upset if you want the truth, you know, he did have a little injury. But at the same token, this guy is a pretty good lefty. When he's on and that change up and everything's working, he's a dominant pitcher and he's pretty good. He's not going to overpower you, as we already know. But yeah, there, I mean, why are you going to start a relationship off like that or start the new year for baseball terms off, Man, we're pretty upset that he took the offer. What's going on here? Don't people want to win? That's where I get confused.

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Speaker 1: And I'm actually pretty sure that with a qualifying offer, you can't trade the player right off the jump. There's a deadline that's built in there. I believe that it's June where you can't trade the player until a certain date. I learned that recently, and maybe I saw bad info, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on that. Let me add to the table here. First off, Crats, I'm going to disagree with you. I think the Cubs do want to compete and contend in all of that. Right, this isn't a bottom of the barrel payroll. I think what you mean is their revenue to their payroll is not commeasure it. Right. It's probably a top five team in terms of how much they pull in. They operate more in the mid market range in terms of what they bring in talent wise with their payroll. I mean, this was a team that made the playoffs last year, took the Brewers to the brink and fell short. Should they be doing more. Should they be the big bad n L Central spenders, no doubt, and they built up to get to this point. They've done a but nice job or a better job of building. Pitching a weak point for THEO and Hoyer during that run, and I think they've gotten better in that department. Kate Horton, I think is a prime example. They used to just buy pitching. If they don't want to buy pitching as much, you got to develop it. I think they've done that better. They will still spend on pitching. I'm not backing them, okay, I want to be clear, like they definitely should be operating more towards the high twos, if not three hundred, and they could buy the whole and free agent crop if they wanted to. But if they're playing in this game right and they're going to spend probably is my guest between thirty and fifty mil tops on free agents. I'm talking on what they're going to make in twenty twenty six. Then we can refer to Patrick Mooney, who writes for The Athletic and is on our Great North Side Territory show. He said they've already been linked to several pitchers who rejected qualifying offers notable names such as from Barbaldez, Dyln't See, Michael King, Ranger Suarez, and Zach Gallen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I mean what I said was definitely more in line with what you said. They should be the juggernaut of the NL Central because those other teams have some spending issues. The Cubs do not. And when I say they're choosing to not, I should have elaborated and said they're choosing to not be a behemoth in the NL Central. They're saying, well, you know what, I'm about to run a race, one hundred yard dash, and the other people I'm running against aren't that fast, so I'm just not gonna try that hard. But they keep getting passed up. They keep getting passed up, And I think if you truly own the Cubs to win year in and year out, I think it is something that they need to go over the salary cap. They need because they easily can because they're bringing in tons of money.

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing we say all the time about the Cubs.

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Speaker 4: But I think their spending should not be thwarted, it should not be curbed. Just because Shoda added more depth to your rotation. The organization needs six or seven solid pitchers, and it's okay if they go after a Frameber, it's okay if they give a longer term deal.

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Speaker 3: To a Zach Gallan.

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Speaker 4: I think it brings it brings extra excitement to the NL Central when the big boys, the big boy in the NL Central spends its money, and I think it makes everybody else in NL Central spend a little bit of money to keep up. Because right now, why would the Brewers say, hey, you know what, we're going to push in because the Cubs are really loading up.

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Speaker 3: No, they loaded up with Kyle Tucker for one year.

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Speaker 4: To me, I thought that was really the jumping off point that the Cubs could have said, Hey, we brought in Tucker, we're now extending him. And I was told, and now I've been shown, Eh, you know what we're not. We just wanted him for one year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to turn out to be rental and Todd father pitching is going to be the focus for this team. So here's my thing, going back to Imanaga, I mean, you're not asking him to be year one coming up next year. He should be her three or or four. Right, Presumably they should land one of the names that I mentioned in terms of the A or B tier of free agents starting pitching right, and then Kate Horton looked brilliant last year, especially in the second half as a rookie. He should slote in nicely in that rotation. Justin Steele is going to come back at some point this year. Matthew Boyd had a really nice season for them. Like there are some notable names in there, tye On as a back end guy, they actually have some depth. They definitely need a guy that's a playoff starter in my mind, so hopefully they set their sights on that and then yeah, they're probably going to still have to pick up bat Kyle Tucker didn't have his best year, but he still had a banger year and you're losing him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's he could be looking, you know from reading all the articles and you know, talking with a couple, he can be looking for a big pay day. I know he's second half was, but this dude can hit, he can play. But you know, back to your point about pitching, I know a lot of teams that need pitching, and listen, when you have depth, that's one thing that's that's good Okay, depth is good. You can put guys in here and there, but you need you need like a freed You need uh, you know, one of those top dogs that is gonna be there the whole time, you know, like uh, you know Dylan Ceese or you know, just a guy that's like, oh, we got to face him again. It's not like, all right, we got this guy. Okay, Yeah, you could put in whoever you want. If you got depth, that's good, but you need one or two dogs and Scott, they got to want to come to Chicago too, so you're gonna have to get spice everything up. So I'm not saying it's a bad city to play in, but you know, between a couple other cities, I don't know what guys are gonna do again, so you put the offer. At least you could do is put the offer out there to some guys. But they also have to say yes and come over. So it's it's a tricky, tricky side of the business that you know, most don't understand.

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Speaker 1: We we have a resident Cubs fan in the ft chat in many days, Mike ge who asks great questions and he's dialed first off, he said, and census on Twitter, and more importantly among Cubs beat members is that this wasn't a credible report. Okay, well we're bringing it up. And then he also brought up Showeda's numbers, specifically with first inning issues. This is what I wanted to ask you, guys. So SHOWDA was awesome in twenty twenty four, really good still in twenty twenty five. This is Mike g writing second through eighth inning ERA three oh one, first inning ERA seven to two zero. So it seems something that can reasonably be fixed.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys to have that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some of the best pitchers, some of the best pitchers, their worst innings are the first innings. And I'm not saying he's a cy young candidate or you know, if he hadn't had those first innings, he would have been. But the first inning is when you get to some guys because then they settle in, they get in the rhythm of the game, and it's a lot tougher because you're starting to feel your pitches out.

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Speaker 3: Can that be changed?

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Speaker 4: Obviously, he's got to look at To me, the more glaring thing was Showeda was the home runs All of a sudden, those balls that he was getting the swings and misses or the pop ups to then be able to get the finish pitch we're going out of the ballpark.

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Speaker 3: To me, that's the biggest thing he did.

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Speaker 4: That lack did that loss in velocity create a little bit less deception where guys were now squaring it up, because to me, that's the overall glaring. Whether it happens in the first inning like in the playoffs, or if it happens part way through like it shows me he's either not fully healthy or he's going to have a consistent dip in velocity. And you know, he's going to have to learn to be a pitch to different locations because that velocity is not getting that swing and miss or foul tip on the heater that he wants.

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Speaker 2: Mhm.

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Speaker 1: And as to if the report's true or not, we're never going to know. But I mean, we at least know that they didn't love Shoda enough to give him that club option that they had, and then you know, showed it didn't take on his lower player option, he took on this qualifying offer. So we will never know. I mean, we only only the owner really knows. Tom Ricketts, But doctor D said could have easily got three to five years at twenty MILLI a year from another team, even though he's not worth that. I'm going to disagree on that front. I think that's too much that he would have commanded here, and now he's going to wipe away this qualifying offer draft pick that's attached to him for when he hits the free agent market next year.

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Speaker 4: I think his number, I think his number was under that fifty million threshold, and which affects the draft pick. So teams that are sitting there going, Okay, this guy's thirty two years old, what are we going to give him because we're getting or giving up a draft pick, they're very hesitant, and I forget we had somebody on and they were talking about how much that draft pick is worth in the millions, and essentially owners are just taking off of guys contracts, their salaries. So I have a hard time, hard time believing he would have gotten even three years. To me, I thought he probably would have been in like the thirty five to thirty eight for two years type of range, and giving up a draft pick too could could have squashed that even more.

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Speaker 1: And the other comment here Todd Father Neil kat saying why are both Chicago teams operating like small market teams? First off, the clubs make a lot more money than the White Sox, that's a fact. But still he's got a great point. Those teams market wise should be leading the pack in their respective divisions in terms of how much they invest into the ball club, and they don't. You could say we're a broken record for complaining about how some teams spend and some teams don't. But Chicago fans definitely have a strong case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they do. And like we said before, Kraftsy's like, don't let me get started with all this money talk and that stuff. It's they have the money, and a lot of teams make more money than others. But still these owners wouldn't be in this business if it wasn't, you know, profitable for these guys. So what I love to see the White Sox go out and spend. Yes, it's just not their m right now. But the Cubs I have no reason not to go out and try and find some super super athletes to help this team get over the hump again and get back to a World Series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To me, I think the Kyle Tucker acquisition is everything you need to know. It's not about what they're doing right now, Kratz. It's the fact that even when he came on board, it didn't sound like there were ever real discussions about an extension, and that should tell you everything you need to know about where the Cubs are at. You give up assets, you get a guy like this, you clearly value him highly, not highly enough to shout out big dollars. I think they're just one of those teams that doesn't believe in those big ass contracts. The Asters do this sometimes too, They don't go past a certain point.

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Speaker 3: This is the facts, not our opinion. It's the facts. Look at the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Spreading rumor's time. Let's get ready to load up to tweets. Okay, so this is what happens more and more in the off season, really all the time nowadays. On social media. Someone says something, someone who's credible, someone who does a lot of homework, and then aggregators take bits and pieces and make it pop. They put a little sizzle on it. Wow, and then people go crazy, Yeah, just a little snap crackle pop for Todd Father. I get excited and be like, look at this, look at this post. It has a million views on it. Yeah, but Todd, the problem is it's it's not actually true. It's a fictional post. So let's do it. Let's show the two tweets, and it's kind of a problem. It could have been a problem segment for Todd father. So here is the Yankees only on Twitter. The Rangers are looking to shed payroll and are reportedly open to moving Corey Seger. Segert isn't on the Yankees no trade list, which means he'd be eligible to be dealt to New York with no veto rights, and he credits Evan Grant for putting out this report. Our buddy Evan comes out on Twitter himself and says, here's what I said about Seeker. I did not say the Rangers are open to moving him. I suggested they could have to explore the possibility of moving a big contract if it cuts payroll below two hundred million dollars. See the differences there top oither. We had this too. Bob Nightingale, who's one of our our regular insiders now was talking about how maybe the Padres would move someone like Fernando Tatis. Here's actually a big problem among the audience these days because Jim Bowden suffers from this sometimes too. Insiders and analysts will throw out ideas and then people will aggregate it, and then they will go after them, like, oh, Bob says they're gonna trade tatis, and when they don't trade tattis, are gonna be like, see Bob, you didn't know they're trading him. He's just bringing up ideas. This is what we do in the off season. Your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is just right up my alley. I can't stand if somebody says some you gotta be I guess you gotta be so specific in what you say. It's not gonna tell young kids today. These young kids have Twitter and Instagram by dude double and triple. Check what you write on there. If you write a word wrong and or you spell it wrong, or do this. I mean, John Hayman had the one. Was it Arson Judge or whatever the heck that? I don't know what it was, but long story short, he didn't say anything of the sort, and somebody takes it like, oh, I'm gonna make this spicy so I can get some likes and love.

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Speaker 3: I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it at all. It's fishy.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I say things on the show that just make Todd Mann. Just to say things, that's it. You don't want to make I want to make Todd mad. And I feel like that's kind of what can happen on Twitter sometimes. But let's explore it so somebody can take my words out of out of context. Who wouldn't want Corey Seeger? Why wouldn't the Rangers want a little payroll shedding. That's a lot of payroll shedding. There's but to me, who has more value the two guys that you have that you could shed payroll with. It's Corey Seeger and Marcus Simeon. I don't think anybody's really clamoring after Marcus Simeon. You could shed, you could get rid of the payroll, but you're gonna have to pay for it. So it's not really just getting it's just getting rid of the player. Corey Seger. He would slot into any spot. But the thing you have to remember is if it doesn't happen this year, he gets his ten and five rights after this season. So if they're exploring it, if please capital letters, if it has to happen this year, it has to happen before he hits that ten and five.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing we just spoke to Ken Rosenthal about with Kitel Marte. There is a deadline for a team, and that's why writers will bring something like that up as an idea, because if they're ever going to do it, now is the time or you have no more power. And someone like Corey Seeger probably is not going to movee right, He's won his titles. He settled in Texas, you have the income tax, so you'd have to actually make up that difference if he goes anywhere else. A lot of things changed suddenly for a big money player. But do we think he's going to be traded? Raise your hand if you think he's going to be traded on our ray out here exactly, thank you. But it was a fun twenty four hours for the Secret Family and for Evan Grant coming up to you for the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, always, Yank, of course it is.

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Speaker 5: That's what he said, That's what he said, That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. Beef has emerged. Adam Outavino out of the sport and into the media world a friend of ours on this show, and he was very critical on his show of the Mets in the way that they manage their pitching staff. So he has a pod called Baseball and Coffee, and I'll let him describe what happened, and then we'll go over the follow up. There have been some good articles research wise to try and kind of back up or go against what he said. So first here's Adam Ottobino popping off.

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Speaker 5: And then this is the other issue. And this is something that really upsets me deep in my soul because man, I've talked about, talked with every single one of these guys about having to take control over their own career because the team is not going to keep them healthy. They need to find a way to keep themselves healthy. McGill goes down, Garrett goes down, Krannic goes down, Daniel Nunials goes down, Danny Jung goes down, all Tommy John's, not to mention Drew Smith really headed Tommy John.

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Speaker 3: It's just too many injuries.

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Speaker 5: So they have to figure out something, whether it's their protocols, whether it's the way Carlos uses these dudes, you know, so haphazardly, you know, whether they even care about keeping the guys healthy or not, but they need to be better than this. This is embarrassing. This is actually pathetic, like pathetic. I would have never let this happen. If I was on the team last year, at least half these guys wouldn't have blown out. I would have protected these dudes myself. I would have to jump in front of them myself. Fortunately, there was nobody willing to stand up and talk.

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Speaker 3: To Carlos this year. That was just me.

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Speaker 5: I guess, so bit of an issue there, And if they continue down this path, they're going to be because you cannot injure this many dudes every year. And it's hopefully this is not an actual strategy because it's freaking pathetic and it's not player friendly and eventually people will catch on. And it's funny as they were bragging about how good they were keeping people healthy the year before and had nothing to do with them. So yeah, I'm a little annoyed because these are guys that should be playing.

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Speaker 3: So it pisses me.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And Adam Outabino is a pretty chill dude, and he popped off. And Will Salmon, who covers the team among other things, did an article today. He put it out. He spoke tout Abino, who kind of commented like, I like everything else about Mendy, but he said, you know, he's kind of backed up what he said. John gibbins, he spoke to his bench coach who completely disagreed. And Ghibbe certainly is coming from an old school cut of cloth, who said that the bullpen usage was on point, and if anything, he felt like there were times where they were overprotecting the guy. In this article phrase Samon wrote. By most measures, the Mets under Mendoz have no glaring red flags for their reliever usage. Over the last two years, New York ranks twenty first in relief appearances on consecutive days. Of the fifty eight pitchers who have appeared in seventy or more games in neither of the last two seasons, just three of them were Mets, all trade deadline acquisitions that were already on pace for that many games when acquired. There's a ton of research in here that essentially shows that the Mets are not really doing anything different from any other ball club, and they're protecting pictures just as much. Right so, we can look at a starting staff that was a disaster for the most part this past season and say, yeah, you're gonna need more bullpen help. But do we really feel like we watched the Mets in the past couple of years and think, ah, they're just beating up their relievers.

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't. Honestly, I didn't watch them that much during the year. I watched a little bit because my son loves the Mets, so he'd put him on. But you felt that one, man, Oh man, you felt that. I love Adam. I I've gotten along with Adam. He's a great picture out of you know, it's really good, dude. Something was was hurting him there. Man, he's you know, he's had enough, so something over there when he's with the Mets, something bothered him, and this was this might have been the icing on the cake of the whole thing. Seeing all these injuries and him to be that passionate about it and understandable as a player, it means that much more. So there's more to it. There's gotta be. There's always more to this story and to this thing. You know, guys are injured, of course, but I would love to talk to ad him about the whole situation in scenario. Maybe maybe there's not Maybe it's just something that he's very passionate about. And you know, the injuries. It seems like there's a bunch of injuries every year, but with the Mets, you know, what can happen will happen, you know, and it's just uh, you know it was it was that was hardcore right there.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I like Adam for even stepping up and saying something. You know, whether he's right or wrong, I give him credit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, those are his boys.

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Speaker 4: Those are the guys he just played with, the guys that you're sitting in the bullpen with because most of them were bullpen I get at McGill with the starter, but anytime I see bullpen issues with injuries over use and you're like, oh, there could be some injuries. Like I look at the Guardians and their bullpend. The guys that are down.

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Speaker 3: There are getting crushed.

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Speaker 4: I don't really blame voter when you don't have anybody going deep. I forget how many starts in a row. I think it was over twenty five starts in a row that nobody went more than five innings. Not talking about nobody went more than six innings. You're talking about every single night for twenty five straight games. You have to pick up at least four innings at least, and for Mendy to still keep those numbers below there, I have a hard time getting in line with what Auto said. Now, I didn't watch it as much except for the fact that you just look at the numbers and you're like, hey, these guys weren't overused. Now you're in the clubhouse. Auto was in the clubhouse, and he's talked to some of these guys. Maybe some of them were hanging. Maybe they were kind of saying, hey, we need you out there, we need you out there, we need you out there. Maybe there was kind of a push in that sense. So maybe there's some background or stuff in the background that we don't know about.

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Speaker 3: But as far as.

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Speaker 4: Just a outing standpoint, and this made Tommy Johns seems like a seems like a random year for or seems like a regular year for the Rays. The Dodgers like teams that are pushing guys to the limit with how much they throw and how much and how much you know, how hard they throw and the extreme velocities and spin that they're putting on the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I do watch a ton of Mets games. Most of my family they're massive Mets fans and again, we're going back here, and I'm right in line. I mean, I've been critical as hell of what David Stearns has decided to do with his cherry picking and as AJ calls it, playing in the kiddie pool for starting pitching when the rest of your roster is beefed up and expensive, it's just not going to work on a year to year basis. You're gonna have some years like twenty four where it hits. You're gonna have more years like twenty five when Frankie Montas does not work out for you. And Sean Manaia has had injury injuries in the past, they popped up again for him. This year wasn't a strong Senga's had a long list of injuries in the past. That's why he was cheaper. He could pitch like a one when he's healthy. So some of this was who they were buying into. Often those pitchers that are cheaper have a long injury background, right, that's a big thing, that's Montas. There's so many more stats here, though, Guys. Of the sixty two pitchers who have compiled at least seventy innings in relief in either of the past two seasons. Just one was a met Rogers deadline acquisition, right, He said, this is Will Sammon's report. Three times in the last two years as a Mets reliever appeared at least fourteen times in the month. League average is six and a half per team. Six times at Mets relievers throwing fifteen or more innings in a month, just above the league average of five point seven per team. So it's about average. That's why you look at this team. The one thing I looked at was, damn they have no starting pitching, and I actually think they did an okay job of trying to manage their bullpen that had to pick up for the starting pitching all the time. The real story of the Mets to Mekratz was you look at all the young guys they called up early, and some of them were great, like McLean, but you didn't expect any of them to get called up. But their starting staff fell apart. So I just don't see it. This is where you have to just go back and forth with Auto and get the specifics. Last thing I will say, if a guy is hanging and to describe that to our fans, like they're not feeling good enough to pitch that day, they need to talk to the medical staff where the medical staff addresses that, and then they need to go on the il.

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Speaker 4: YEP and players always want to play through things. I sure, because I have a good connection with Mendy. I have a hard time believing and watching the games, have a hard time believing that they push these guys too hard, because he really, really deeply cares about the players, and knowing David Stearns, I have a hard time believing that he would he would like send down some kind of edict and say, wow, we got these guys like you have to put up No, they understand. They both understand trying to keep players healthy. And I would say the Mets are not an organization that sits there and goes we don't care if they get hurt, Because there are definitely some organizations where I would disagree with that statement. I think they are fine with it because they have a whole cavalcade of more guys running into the bullpen like we're starting to get into the era in some organizations where it really is a bullpen like it really is, we'll just get more cattle. As soon as those cattle are done, we move them out.

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Speaker 3: And move the.

00:29:53
Speaker 4: Next cattle in. And that's how that's how teams run. You know, a cheaper bullpen.

00:29:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Raising Guardians have been that for years and they've had some of the better bullpens. They will use them to death and then you'll never hear from them again. It's just how it works. I'm singling out two teams. There are many others. Anyway. Auto pitched sixty plus appearances for the Mets a couple of years ago. You would think he knows better than we do. So there's a side to it that I would love to bring him on to ask about. And I'm sure we'll get him again at some point this offseason to talk about it. Hey, there's been a lot of retweets for the rays On Socials today because they're putting the old crappy park back together. But in all seriousness, a ton of respect and credit. Yeah, look at that Todd father to the hard workers who also are putting their lives on the line to try and put that paper mache roof back together. It is not easy. That things only going to hopefully have to be up for a few more years and they'll smash it in Avenue Park. But it was just a panel by panel. Thank you to everyone who worked to put that trot back together. I disagree that they should have just had it smashed and have a park already, but it is what it is. Good work because that place is a dump. But good work that they put it back together for now.

00:31:06
Speaker 2: Very good, very good. Ah Man, I get I get the shivers just looking at those people that high.

00:31:13
Speaker 1: Man.

00:31:13
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily afraid of heights, but I don't like them, you know. But it's uh. I could see Cratzy up there for sure.

00:31:20
Speaker 3: Man.

00:31:20
Speaker 2: If if his wife he said, hey, you're gonna have to go to Tampa and fix this, He's going to do it. But I'll tell my wife, listen, you do what you want. I'm not doing that. I'm sorry.

00:31:31
Speaker 3: You say whatever you'd say yes to whatever she says. So I get it.

00:31:35
Speaker 4: Some people don't like heights, you know. I don't like I don't like white roofs with a white baseball. Like, could we have gotten a panel, I know it's only a few years that this is gonna happen, or even like every other panel, like a black panel or something. Maybe they maybe, I don't know, maybe they fixed this issue. But man, Kevin Kiermeier sitting out there, going.

00:31:59
Speaker 3: Where's of all? Well?

00:32:00
Speaker 4: I took my eye off it, Like, could we have gotten some black or brown panels?

00:32:04
Speaker 3: Please?

00:32:05
Speaker 1: Guys? Do you think they don't do it? Is it like a lighting thing?

00:32:09
Speaker 3: Right? Like?

00:32:10
Speaker 1: So if it was black?

00:32:11
Speaker 3: Does that was?

00:32:14
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be like a light What I heard was supposed to be like a light slash like ambiance, So it doesn't feel like you're completely closed in in an indoor stadium. They didn't like that feel. I'm like, yeah, but there's flyballs in baseball. You got to catch them. Oh, it's it's a grind. I you never take your eye off it. It's fine, but if you like look down to see if somebody's gonna hit you, or you look for the fence.

00:32:38
Speaker 3: And you look back up, you're like gone forever, no idea.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: Isn't that what the Vegas Park's gonna look like? Don't they have a bunch of white panels.

00:32:46
Speaker 4: They're putting mirrors and things that reflect the sun so that you really can't see anything and it'll just be blind ball, all.

00:33:05
Speaker 1: Right, kratz hats, we only have a minute. You can show your hat, And why were you messing with us. I know this was on a break for some people, they missed this part. But you said Town's not for the Knicks. Why'd you say that he is?

00:33:16
Speaker 4: Because I wanted to hear if anybody actually knew what team he was playing for.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: Them.

00:33:23
Speaker 2: I know who's gonna who's gonna say it? You got two people here, bud.

00:33:28
Speaker 4: Well, neither one of you, and I know the one guy is a Nets fan. The other guy doesn't even you weren't even good at basketball.

00:33:34
Speaker 1: I'm not a Nets fan.

00:33:36
Speaker 2: Who are you saying wasn't good at basketball?

00:33:38
Speaker 3: Bro?

00:33:38
Speaker 2: Thousand points score?

00:33:39
Speaker 3: Bro, that's my trolling session of the show.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Yeah you can offer, Khan offered.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: I look at it every time I'm at the studio, me and baby all day. You rip, Rip City, Rip ham Man

00:34:00
Speaker 5: Two